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00:00<TheShagg>yes, java
00:00<bob2>you're running a "futures trading platform" and have no sysadmin
00:00<straterra>You might wanna grab the memory requirements
00:00<TheShagg>bob2: what are you getting at?
00:00<straterra>I assume by java you mean tomcat or some other kind of java app server?
00:01<TheShagg>sorry, I am a little green on linux topics
00:01<akerl>TheShagg: X? as in like with a gui?
00:01<TheShagg>the program is not related to a webserver in any way
00:01<TheShagg>its a client application
00:01<Jamie-Dolan>Do you have a link to the web site for the software program you plan to run?
00:01<TheShagg>one second
00:01<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
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00:02<amitz>bob2: future here doesn't mean cutting edge btw. It means: a type of financial instrument derivative.
00:03<TheShagg>I am attempting to answer my own question, but the info is here:
00:04<akerl>TheShagg: I
00:05<akerl>TheShagg: I'm confused. What you've linked seems to be a company's hosted solution. That you either run through their site in your browser or access via their standalone app. Are just attempting to access their app from a server, or host your own version of their platform? Or am I way off?
00:07<@heckman>akerl: I was going to ask the same thing. It doesn't look like you install that on a server.
00:07<amitz>oh, interactive brokers..
00:07<TheShagg>akerl: Basically they are a broker, and this is the software you must run to access their platform, but they offer an API which you can use to write your own software. I intend to run an automated trading system
00:07<TheShagg>I do not want to run it from my house for various reasons... like the fact that I can't stand leaving a computer on all day, my internet tends to drop out, etc
00:08<amitz>TheShagg: well... I assume you subscribe to their free java service, right? You usually run it in your PC at home.
00:08<TheShagg>i want to run the software 24/7, and I want to shift the burden of hardware to someone else
00:08<amitz>TheShagg: if you want to run it remotely, you need to set up something called XForwarding.
00:09<TheShagg>I was thinking something like VNC
00:09<akerl>TheShagg: I feel like running an X environment on a headless server is the wrong way to go.
00:09<amitz>TheShagg: ah, your connection often drops. yes, you will need vnc that will keep the session even if you're disconnected.
00:09<TheShagg>yes, I want this to run while I am sleeping, while I am at work, etc
00:09<TheShagg>and yes, I understand the risks involved
00:10<amitz>do you have a script that do the trading automatically?
00:10<TheShagg>i do have a program that will do that, yes
00:10<TheShagg>but I intended to spend the next 6 months simply recording data
00:10<TheShagg>before I go live trading
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00:11<akerl>I'm not referring to risks. I mean that you should look at using that API, either to handle their tools from the command line, or by hooking it to your own web interface. That would be much more efficient and flexible than trying to turn your headless server into a remote desktop.
00:12<TheShagg>efficiency is subjective
00:12<TheShagg>but no, their software does not run from the command line
00:12<TheShagg>well, supposedly it might
00:12<TheShagg>but thats a huge headache
00:12<TheShagg>others have investigated it before
00:12<TheShagg>and in general its not recommended
00:12<TheShagg>its not designed for that sort of thing
00:12<bob2>amitz: yes I know what a future is
00:13<amitz>oh, okay. Just making sure bob2 :-p
00:13<akerl>TheShagg: If their API isn't designed to be accessed by scripts, then what is it for?
00:13<TheShagg>there is something that is designed for that, but the protocol is a beast, only the sort of thing a financial company would want to implement, and I would need to lease a T1 line from the broker
00:13<TheShagg>its designed to be accessed from java programs
00:13<TheShagg>you must have their trading program up
00:13<TheShagg>and your java programs then communicate with it
00:14<Jamie-Dolan>I'd start with at least the 1024 linode.
00:14<TheShagg>brb, bathroom
00:15<amitz>so many things to mention, so little time and space :-p
00:16<bob2>I'd start by benchmarking my app
00:17<amitz>TheShagg: I notice from your wording and topics, you expect to do some scalping. I guess I'll mention what some people may be scared to mention. You should try to browse around the kind of vacancies they posted, and see any possible conflict of interest.
00:18<TheShagg>what? huh?
00:19<TheShagg>i have no idea what you are talking about after the phrase "scared to mention"
00:19<TheShagg>i do know what scalping is, and I dont intend to do that
00:19<amitz>fear of libel (or is it slander?)
00:20<TheShagg>what the heck are you talking about?
00:20<checkers>cool, someone who is going to make money on the stock market by hand
00:20<amitz>Some vacancies they posted on the net may causes conflict of interest with the interest of their customers.
00:21<checkers>come back six months after you go live with a comparison between your rate of return and your relevant market's accumulation index, please
00:21<TheShagg>what do you mean by "vacancies"
00:21<amitz>job vacancies.
00:21<TheShagg>amitz - can you please tell me what you are trying to say, rather than beat around the bush
00:22<amitz>I don't want to be sued, this channel is publicly logged.
00:22<TheShagg>email me -
00:22<akerl>+1 for professional addresses :p
00:22<amitz>not email too, your email can be subpoena. ;-)
00:22<TheShagg>I have a professional adress, but it has my name IRL
00:22<checkers>amitz are you being a moron again
00:23<TheShagg>checkers - yes, I know I sound like one of those "I'm going to be a day trader" kiddies
00:23<TheShagg>no need to point that out
00:23<TheShagg>also not helped by the fact that I am a windows person trying to talk about linux like I have a clue what I am saying
00:23<amitz>hmm, some incoming messages make me realize I overstep, sorry
00:24<Jamie-Dolan>Sorry this isn't #onnotheyarecomingtogetmeinmysleep
00:24<amitz>TheShagg: sorry I shouldn't say all those things.
00:24<checkers>TheShagg: I gain much schaudenfreude from seeing people who are obviously not idiots fail at the stockmarket, which is why I'd like a six monthly update
00:24<TheShagg>it's fine, but I want you to email me whatever it is you were getting on about
00:24<amitz>I'm a bit too paranoid, many people say. Too paranoid for my own good. Ignore me.
00:24<TheShagg>checkers - you are the only other person I have known to use that word
00:25<TheShagg>I want to make a winning strategy and name it that
00:25<TheShagg>it's a truely awesome word for the purpose
00:26<checkers>if you name it such, it will be even funnier when your rate of return is under the market average
00:26<checkers>perhaps even ironic, the bestest of the humours
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00:27<TheShagg>generally speaking computers only tend to make less than the market average if you trade enough that your commissions eat into your capital ;)
00:27<TheShagg>that or you are an idiot
00:28<TheShagg>you hear a lot of academics talk about why trading does not produce profits - there is a heavy bias in that direction
00:28<TheShagg>you know why?
00:28<TheShagg>because anyone smart enough to find a profit doesn't write a paper about it
00:28<checkers>lizardman conspiracy
00:28<TheShagg>they make money and keep their mouth shut
00:28<checkers>that too
00:28<TheShagg>but the second they look at data and give up, they write a paper about it
00:30<checkers>you found evidence the publication bias is wrong
00:30<checkers>or is this just foolproof human intuition
00:30<TheShagg>oh its double foolproof ;)
00:31<TheShagg>is there a magic 50% off coupon I can use to get the 1gb plan for $20? :P
00:31<akerl>Sign up halfway through the month, and cancel before the month ends?
00:32<Jamie-Dolan>None that I'm aware of. Sorry.
00:32<checkers>the only discount is 10% for a year
00:32<TheShagg>are you guys employees or fanboys?
00:32<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
00:33<checkers>employees wouldn't be passive agressively making fun of you
00:33<KHobbits>checkers, well probably not.
00:33<checkers>well, it's unlikely
00:33<TheShagg>i make fun of my customers all the time... but not to their face ;)
00:33<akerl>well then it's a good thing we can't see you.
00:33<TheShagg>anyone working at 9:30 on a sunday night might be doing that to their customers
00:34<KHobbits>i'd make it 5:30am
00:34<TheShagg>so what perks does being in the community have?
00:34<checkers>except personal joy
00:34<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:34<akerl>I'm here for the cake
00:35<TheShagg>of hanging out in the IRC room of a random VPS host?
00:35<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
00:35<@heckman>I'm here for the bacon
00:35<@heckman>also the paycheck is nice too
00:35<bob2>I'm here for the monthly non-script replies from mikegrb
00:36<@mikegrb>urban legend
00:36<Ovron>for all we know, mikegrb isn't real and just a very elaborate prank
00:36<TheShagg>blarg, $40 a month is too much
00:37<Ovron>see it as an investment to your money making business ;)
00:37<akerl>TheShagg: It's the best deal you're going to find. Linode has kick ass support, plus us lovely folks.
00:37<Jamie-Dolan>Seriously? Your trading futures and $40 a month is too much for your comuter system?
00:37<checkers>he just has a realistic outlook on the predicted rate of return from this endeavor
00:37<akerl>Though I still hold that you'd be better off finding a command line or web tool. Then you'd be looking at $20 a month for a 512.
00:38<TheShagg>Jamie-Dolan: yes I am serious, considering right now this is an experimental pet project that won't be actually trading for 6 months
00:39<TheShagg>you know trading has a lot of associated fees
00:39<bob2>checkers: any more realistic and he/she'd just invest $40/month in an index fund
00:39<akerl>Of course, I'm tossing Linode $50 a month, and I don't make a dime off it. So maybe I'm biased :p
00:39<Jamie-Dolan>I guess I've never messed around on that small of a scale.
00:39<TheShagg>commissions on trades (actually only about $3 a trade, but whatever), plus tax services, plus this, plus that
00:39<TheShagg>so lets assuem you are actually profitable
00:39<TheShagg>you are going to be shelling out a lot of money
00:39<TheShagg>if you aren't profitable, its just insult to injury
00:40<TheShagg>you need to keep fees down when you are first starting up
00:40<akerl>I'll stick to counting cards.
00:40<TheShagg>I would buy an index fund if I were convinced the market is going up
00:40<TheShagg>I am of the sideways/down camp
00:40<HoopyCat>let us assume an ideal chicken, a unit sphere of emissivity 1.0
00:41<TheShagg>america is in for a japanese style decline, IMO
00:42<TheShagg>anyways, sounds like you guys doubt me, which is fair enough
00:42<TheShagg>but ask me any question you want
00:42<akerl>TheShagg: be careful what you ask for.
00:43<TheShagg>... ?
00:43<akerl>"any question"
00:43<checkers>TheShagg: assuming you're investing over the long term, why not just wait until you think the market has bottomed out, then put all your money into an index fund?
00:44<TheShagg>checkers - I could do that, but I have decided that I cannot study all of the macro economic variables
00:44<TheShagg>I would rather look for market actions
00:44<czr>TheShagg, what is the relation between gravity and magnetism at subatomic level?
00:44<czr>that question has been bothering me quite a bit lately
00:44<bob2>fucking markets, how do they work
00:44<TheShagg>I don't think there is one
00:44<TheShagg>bot2 - markets? people buy and sell
00:45<czr>TheShagg, fair enough.
00:45<amitz>czr: I don't know about that but one thing for sure, urmom gravity and magnetism are a contradiction. :-p
00:45<czr>amitz, shush
00:46<TheShagg>urmom gravity? considering that gravity is proportional mass, I would expect quite a lot of gravity. Now magnitism comes from high velocity of electrons.. and I just dont see her electrons moving very quickly
00:46<checkers>what makes you believe the market is going to decline if you aren't studying all the "macro economic variables"?
00:46<HoopyCat>decline relative to what?
00:47<TheShagg>checkers - I have no idea, hense why I may be wrong
00:47<TheShagg>I would rather make trades that last on the order of a few hours
00:47<czr>TheShagg, how many electrons do you see moving at the moment?
00:47<TheShagg>based purely on market action
00:47<amitz>TheShagg: I measure urmom magnetism from the observable behavior, that is, urmom can't possibly attract anyone. Yet the mass, as you said, is great. So yeah... a contradiction indeed! :-p
00:47<TheShagg>i see no eelectrons
00:47<TheShagg>only photons
00:48<czr>I see dead gluons
00:48<Solver>there's about to be an electron in Canada :)
00:48<TheShagg>did you fart?
00:48<checkers>TheShagg: if you have no idea, why are you betting money in this area?
00:48<checkers>why not pick an international market you think will do well and invest there?
00:48<TheShagg>I am trying to get out of the macro trading, and into the micro
00:49<TheShagg>I don't have a good idea about any market what is going to happen with the economy
00:49<TheShagg>I think the whole game is rigged
00:49<checkers>oh, are you a chartist
00:49<czr>all games are rigged.
00:49<amitz>dammit, I lost the game...
00:49<TheShagg>chartist? in a vague sense
00:49<TheShagg>although I prefer to look at more than 1 variable on a time axis
00:50<TheShagg>and I don't have the patiense to do that in anything but a programming sense
00:50<checkers>ok nice talking to you bye
00:51<TheShagg>checkers - I do recommend index funds to anyone who thinks the economy is going to gain - they have clear superiority to 99% of mutual funds
00:52<KBme>anyone know a doc for transferring a zone from linode dns to my own bind? (1st time with bind..)
00:52<amitz>!library bind
00:52<linbot>amitz: timed out
00:52<KBme>where does it search?
00:52<amitz> KBme
00:53<TheShagg>amitz - you never emailed me
00:53<SleePy>!library bind
00:53<linbot>SleePy: 1. Build Database Clusters with MongoDB ( - 2. Advanced Irssi Usage ( - 3. Using Irssi for Internet Relay Chat (
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00:53<KBme>heh, not very helpful
00:53<SleePy>!library dns
00:53<linbot>SleePy: 1. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Fedora 14 ( - 2. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) ( - 3. Use Unbound for Local DNS Resolution on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) (
00:53<KBme>unbound? :(
00:54<bob2>dns server
00:54<TheShagg>do you guys know of a way to see actual memory usage of a java program?
00:54<TheShagg>in windows
00:54<KBme>it's a caching resolver afaik
00:55<bob2>sorry, should have been clearer
00:55<amitz>TheShagg: I believe I may have over-implicating things. So there is not much to say anyway :-)
00:55<KBme>no bind doc on linode
00:55<checkers>TheShagg: depends what you mean by 'actual'
00:56<bob2>bind has nothing linode-specific
00:56<czr>KBme, is there any reason for you to want run bind yourself? other than caching?
00:56<checkers>use windows resource monitor, and look at private bytes, or working set size, or virtual size
00:56<checkers>depending on that definition you choose
00:56<czr>KBme, I'd recommend looking at dnsmasq if you just need caching. works like a charm for me.
00:56<KBme>yes, to serve my own zones
00:56<czr>KBme, but you can serve them using linode's dns manager too
00:56<KBme>no, i do not need a caching resolver
00:56<KBme>i don't want to
00:56<czr>right. why not? :-)
00:56<czr>that's what I'm after really.
00:57<KBme>because i've been hosting it there for the last three years and i have been wanting to host my own for a long time
00:57<KBme>anyways, i don't have to explain myself ☺
00:58<KBme>the last doc for bind on the wiki is for breezy
00:58<KBme>ah well, i'll look somewhere else
00:59<czr>KBme, obviously you don't have to explain yourself. just wondering whether there was a better solution to your problem, that's all :-).
00:59<czr>all the best though
01:01<KBme>czr: yeah, i understand. i was harsh, sorry ;)
01:01<KBme>I guess i can just copy paste the zone information from linode dns manager
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01:06<TheShagg>ok so if I want to change my subscription mid-month, how does that work?
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01:07<@heckman>TheShagg: Do you mean resize to a larger plan?
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01:10<TheShagg>heckman: yes, or resize to a smaller plan
01:11<@heckman>you are charged (or credited) a prorated amount for the remainder of the month (assuming you are on the monthly cycle)
01:11<TheShagg>alright, and does the transition happen pretty quickly?
01:11<checkers>the granularity is daily
01:12<@heckman>TheShagg: When resizing we do migrate you to another host, so it does take a few minutes to complete. Usually 1 - 3 minutes per GB based on the size of your disk images.
01:12<@heckman>If you want to speed up the process can you can shrink your disk images, therefore it has less to transfer to the new host.
01:12<TheShagg>ah, ok, nice logical answer
01:12<Jamie-Dolan>On Centos what size should my tmp be? It is at 512 on a 32gb (1024MB) plan and I am running out of space (nginx and eaccelerator seem to like writing to tmp). Is 1GB large enough for tmp or should I go higher?
01:13<TheShagg>heckman: you are employee, right? how can I get a discount? ;)
01:14<Jamie-Dolan>Pre-pay for a year
01:15<bob2>you could just put /tmp on /
01:15<@heckman>Yeah, annual/biennial billing gets you a 10 or 15% discount respectively. I'm not aware of any othe promos at this time.
01:16<Jamie-Dolan>Is it safer though to keep it on a different partition so if it gets filled up it doesn't pull the whole linode down?
01:17<Jamie-Dolan>I guess I have enough free space at the moment to just give it 2gb and if I am really pressed for space later I can consider moving it to / or reducing it.
01:33<Jamie-Dolan>Disk resizing takes a little bit...
01:34<@heckman>Resizing down more so than up.
01:34<Ovron>needs to rebuild stuffz, and possibly move stuff in worst cases
01:34<Jamie-Dolan>Added 2gb to a 28gb, 3 minutes in.
01:34<@heckman>Ugh, I just stretched my back and my breastbone just made this horrible pop/crunch sound.
01:34<Ovron>that is horrible, heckman
01:34<dominikh>old viking is old
01:35<@heckman>21 years old
01:35<Jamie-Dolan>What does this mean: lv_resize: Image is currently snapshotted -- Failed
01:35<@heckman>Jamie-Dolan: when is your backup window?
01:35<Ovron>did you just run a backup before trying to resize? ;o
01:35<dominikh>wait, is that a message from linode?
01:36<Jamie-Dolan>But I did take a snapshot before I shutdown, but it was complete. Yes, a linode manager message
01:36<@heckman>Your disk image remains snapshotted until the old snapshot is scrubbed/
01:36<Ovron>Perhaps it needs a bit of time before it is removed, heckman go investigate!
01:36*heckman is too busy making sure he didn't break anything
01:37<Jamie-Dolan>Okay, but why would my Resize fail?
01:37<@heckman>Your disk image is snapshotted.
01:37<Ovron>(note that the LV snapshot is irrelevant to your linode-backup "snapshot"; unfortunate terminology)
01:37<Jamie-Dolan>So does that mean I can't change it's size?
01:37<@heckman>It's temporary.
01:38<@heckman>Give it a few minutes and try again.
01:38<Jamie-Dolan>okay will try again in a few minutes. Thanks.
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01:49<Jamie-Dolan>It's still failing. Should I just boot it back up and open a ticket? or should I give it a little longer first?
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01:53<Jamie-Dolan>I'm giving resizing one more try. I don't want to leave it down any longer, I'm already close to 30 minutes.
01:54<Peng>ericoc: Heh, aww. Well, if you get another Dallas node, remember me! *sob*
01:56<Jamie-Dolan>4th times the charm sending boot.
01:58<Peng>Hmm, I wonder how you unset an irssi -host setting?
02:01<amitz>shoot the config file if all else fail!
02:01*Peng simply removes+adds the server
02:02<Ovron>Peng: could manually edit and /reload
02:03<Peng>Ovron: To tell the truth, I've never done that. I'm kind of afraid to try it.
02:04<Ovron>it is a text-file you know ;p
02:04<au>Peng: /set hostname
02:04<au>for a new one
02:04<au>to unset, just /unset hostname
02:05<Peng>au: I only use it on a couple servers.
02:05<Peng>Ovron: I'm not afraid of that part; I'm afraid of irssi freaking out for some reason from the /reload. Not necessarily rational, I know.
02:06<Peng>/upgrade losing SSL connections has made me kind of nervous about kicking irssi in any way.
02:06<Ovron>life doesn't end if you lose connection to IRC networks for a few seconds ;)
02:07<Peng>Perhaps not, but reconnecting is still annoying. And makes me fear how fragile it could be in other ways.
02:07<Peng>It's not the lack of connection; it's the 400 nicks it lists when I rejoin.
02:07<@heckman>That only takes 0.5 seconds
02:07<amitz>I will post my linode discount coupon immediately after Peng leaves.
02:08<amitz>ah crap, I was late, oh was late. Oh well.
02:08*Praefectus cancels amitz's code
02:08*amitz still sell code and let linode eats the blame \o/
02:08<amitz>the code
02:09<Peng>heckman: What does?
02:09<@Praefectus>"We're sorry, this was a one use code. Please try again."
02:09<Jamie-Dolan>Heckman: took 20 min and it worked on the 4th try. Was that a fluke or did I do something wrong?
02:09<@heckman>Listing the 400 nicknames.
02:10<@heckman>Jamie-Dolan: The backup system had your disk images snapshotted. It can take a little bit of time to release the lock.
02:10*amitz generates a supposedly screen capture of 2 successful usage hence depicts linode as a liar.
02:10<Peng>heckman: Yes, but it floods my screen. Plus, the activity bar also gets flooded. Again, not a huge deal, but a bit annoying, and something I prefer to avoid.
02:10<amitz>of course I shouldn't say that aloud, damn -_-
02:11<@heckman>Maybe I should convince mikegrb to /kill you for the lulz. :X
02:11<amitz>oh.. this is #linode... sorry -_-
02:13<Peng>heckman: There really wouldn't be much lulz to it.
02:13<Peng>Oh, wait, I wouldn't reconnect on a /kill. That would be irritating.
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02:40<Jamie-Dolan>Time for me to try and get some sleep. Thanks again for the help today. Got ssl cert installed & working, figured out spf, resized my disk, moved over some mail accounts. Good to have a few more things done. :-)
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03:15<libowen><libowen> help
03:15<libowen><libowen> who has skype .deb
03:15<libowen><libowen> ?
03:17<StevenK>Skype do
03:18<libowen>i need skype software
03:18<libowen>but i can download it
03:18<libowen>when i open the web site
03:18<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
03:19<chesty>StevenK: libowen is a bot or a troll, please ignore
03:20<libowen>it disply Garbled
03:22<@heckman>libowen: I'm not sure this is the best place to be asking this question. You may want to reach out to the maintainers of the package for assistance.
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03:37<@ericoc>Peng: well, my test node is in dallas, but i redeploy it a few times per week. i'll definitely use your ntpd if i happen to have to do something ntp-ish with my test node :p
03:40<Peng>Just curious, why have your test node in a different place, especially if you redeploy it so much anyway?
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03:41<@ericoc>i put it on a special host for a reason
03:41<pjz>anyone anyone else have problems in dallas sariting at 7pm dallas time?
03:42<dcraig>looks ok to me!
03:42<pjz>my linode is inaccessible
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03:45<pjz>lish status says off, dashboard says on.
03:46<chesty>pjz: ticket time, sometimes it gets it knickers in a knot
03:47<pjz>yeah did that before coming here.
03:47<chesty>tickets are usually handled quicker than in here
03:48<pjz>must admit this is my first issue in over 3 years of beinjg a linode customer.
03:48<pjz>yeah looks like ticket taker did a shutdown then boot somehow,
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04:52<foreverwondering>Anybody know if you can run newsgroups on linode? Do they block the ports or have it in the TOS somewhere that you can't?
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04:53<robinetd>foreverwondering: As long as it isn't illegal, you can.
04:54<foreverwondering>I used to use a private newsgroup server instead of facebook, and I hate facebook
04:56<foreverwondering>I was thinking some of my old friends might be interested if I set it up, and now that I have a server, I can
04:57<Peng>foreverwondering: Read the ToS yourself. :P
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04:58<robinetd>Yeah, it's usually a good idea to read things before you agree to them.
04:58<foreverwondering>I did, before I joined, and a few others, I remember one of them saying no newsgroups...
04:59<Peng>For example: I agree with the next thing robinetd says!
04:59<Peng>See, that's a terrible idea to do.
04:59<robinetd>Bruce willis is a sexy beast.
04:59<foreverwondering>As that wasn't the primary purpose, I wasn't concerned
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05:00<Peng>foreverwondering: Well, is pretty short and readable.
05:00<Peng>Oh, I think it may have gotten longer.
05:00<Peng>Still readable, though.
05:00<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
05:06<foreverwondering>I was just lying in bed thinking how cool it would be set up a newsgroup server... I should go back to trying to sleep
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05:36<praetorian>you may now marry the robinetd
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06:21<abhishek>i wanna know if i can use my own dns for pointing domain names
06:22<Peng>abhishek: You do know Linode isn't a registrar?
06:22<abhishek>i am not much exp into this, so need to contact my domainregistrar
06:23<Peng>abhishek: I'm not sure what you want here... You can run a DNS server on a Linode. Of course, you need more than one DNS server total. Linode also provides a hosted DNS service, which can even slave off of your own server.
06:24<abhishek>i have one account here
06:24<abhishek>at linode
06:25<abhishek>i just wanted to tell my client hey pont your domans to of giving them
06:25<Peng>Oh, *that*.
06:25<@heckman>Could just cheat and create 'A' records
06:26*heckman shrugs
06:26<Peng>But that's unwise, since Linode could change their DNS servers' IPs at any time.
06:26<@heckman>Could also CNAME
06:26<Peng>Which would be a real pain for all of my slave zones... :P
06:26<Ovron>inb4 CNAME and a lot of facedesk
06:26<Ovron>oh no he didn't
06:26*heckman had to do it
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06:27<Peng>Is that *allowed*? A CNAME NS?
06:27<Peng>...OK, that's a confusing sentence.
06:28<@heckman>I've never tried it
06:28<Ovron>not many things are supposed to use CNAME, but if it actually works in practice is a different matter ;p
06:28<@heckman>I mean, I guess I could go scrape through RFCs
06:30<czr>resolvers only follow CNAMEs for A
06:30<czr>so, while it's allowed to use CNAMEs for other stuff, no one will use it
06:30<Peng>czr: Not true.
06:30<Peng>At the very least, there's AAAA. ;-)
06:30<Ovron>someone go set up an experiment and test
06:30<Peng>And PTR!
06:30<czr>who cares about ipv6!
06:30*heckman doesn't feel like buying another domain
06:30<czr>and cidr-ptrs
06:30<Ovron>heckman: delegated subdomain np
06:30<Peng>You don't need a domain, just a zone.
06:31*Peng gets out nano
06:32<Peng>Wait, no. I'd have to create a new zone, too, wouldn't I? That's a pain.
06:32<Peng>Creating a few CNAME records is no problem, but I don't feel like creating a zone.
06:32<Peng>Wait, the zone would only have to be at Linode...
06:33<Peng>That's less of a pain.
06:34<Peng>Wait, what am I doing again?
06:34*Peng gets confused.
06:34<Ovron>gg Peng
06:34<czr>Peng, you must be doing ipv6 rollout by the sound of it
06:35<Peng>czr: Done, with tunnels.
06:35<Peng>OK, to test this, it would require creating a zone somewhere. Which is not something I feel like doing.
06:37<Peng>RFC 1034: "Domain names in RRs which point at another name should always point at the primary name and not the alias."
06:37<Peng>But that's not a MUST.
06:39<Peng>RFC 1912 describes it as "bad" and warns that it makes certain BIND versions unhappy. But that RFC's from 1996.
06:40<Peng>Again, it doesn't sound like it's not actually allowed, though.
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06:41<czr>Peng, yes, but I do recommend you do look at how the actual resolvers work as well
06:41<Peng>Lots of people talk about MX+CNAME, but I've never heard about NS.
06:41<Ovron>what do the RFCs say about the purpose of CNAME though
06:42<Peng>czr: I don't intend to actually do it. Well, if I did, it would be just as a test for fun, and to probe resolvers.
06:42<Internat>see i dont really understand why there is an issue with mx's being cnames.. yes its another dns lookup but still.
06:42<Peng>Internat: You are not alone.
06:43<Peng>(Yes, my research consisted of following links on Wikipedia's CNAME article.)
06:43<czr>the issue is that if you have resolver code that queries for MX, and response contains a CNAME, it might not use the CNAME in the RR of the response
06:43<czr>replace MX with any other record type except A
06:43<czr>(or PTR in newer resolvers)
06:43<Peng>There are too many damned DNS RFCs to really go reading through them for anything that isn't critically important. :P
06:43<Peng>czr: And AAAA! :D
06:44<Internat>well then that resolver code is spastic :P
06:44<czr>Peng, you know where you can stuff your Automotive Alcoholics Anonymous Association
06:44<Peng>Oh! Which reminds me! Hybrid, the ircd, is one of those programs that doesn't follow cnames for A or AAAA queries. :D
06:44<Ovron>in the trunk?
06:44<Peng>Hence my rDNS.
06:45<Ovron>cnamefail. cute
06:45<Internat>well done.
06:45<czr>Internat, that word also classifies nicely most of the resolver code out there in the wild
06:45<czr>also, quite a bit of it will never be fixed.
06:45<Peng>My favorite part is that it sits for 30 seconds trying to figure out what to do instead of just failing quickly.
06:45<czr>Peng, it's better to fail slowly than to fail quickly.
06:45<Internat>i know so many places that use cnames as mx though.
06:46<Ovron>Peng: submit a patch to oftc-hybrid then ;p
06:46<Peng>Ovron: @_@
06:46<czr>Internat, cnames as mx, or cname pointing to mx?
06:46<Peng>Ovron: It's not just oftc-hybrid, either. oftc-hybrid inherited it from...whatever its parent was.
06:46<czr>because, most smtp will prefer to mx, then A, and in the latter case CNAME makes sense
06:47<Peng>Fortunately, EsperNet just switched off Hybrid, so OFTC is the only network I have left that does this. :D
06:47<Internat>mx records pointing to cname addresses
06:47<Ovron>Peng: ^^
06:47<czr>so again, CNAME +A, that's perfectly normal (or, at least the common case)
06:48*czr secretly suffixes Peng's record types with an additional 'A'
06:49<czr>also, PTRA, CNAMEA, and most importantly MXA and NSA
06:49<Peng>Hmm, how do I fit DNAME into this conversation?
06:50<czr>Peng, obliquely
06:50<Peng>czr: TXTA, SPFA, DNAMEA
06:50<czr>SPFA sounds like it could actually could be a record type
06:50<czr>"just make something up"
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06:55<Peng>Lazyweb: Hyphens are fine in hostnames, right? DNS-wise?
06:56<Peng>Right, it's underscores that aren't.
06:56<Peng>Thank yo. <3
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07:05<GLaDOSDan>Hm; one of my Debian 5 machines crashed last night, and for some reason now when I plug in the external hard drive that's usually attached, it isn't recognizing it all. My netbook picks up the drive okay (Ubuntu 10.04), any ideas?
07:05<GLaDOSDan>I haven't changed anything recently so I'm not sure what's going on with it really
07:06<robinetd>What do you mean "it isn't recognizing it all"?
07:08<GLaDOSDan>It isn't 'becoming' /dev/sdb1 like it usually would
07:08<robinetd>Does it show up in /var/log/messages ?
07:08<GLaDOSDan>df -h doesn't show it either
07:08<GLaDOSDan>uhm, let's see
07:08<robinetd>df -h only shows mounted filesystems.
07:09<GLaDOSDan>apparently I don't have a /var/log/messages
07:10<GLaDOSDan>Yeah, weird
07:10<Peng>GLaDOSDan: What do you have in /var/log?
07:10<robinetd>Check dmesg for it, but you should have messages.
07:12<Peng>GLaDOSDan: Somethin' wrong with your syslog?
07:12<GLaDOSDan>Not sure how to understand that really
07:12<GLaDOSDan>But there's some USB related stuff there o_o
07:12<Peng>Granted, your log issue is likely separate from the other issue, but still.
07:13<robinetd>GLaDOSDan: From that paste, I deduce that it's picking up only one block device, which is a 1GB flash drive.
07:13<GLaDOSDan>Yeah, that's plugged in
07:13<GLaDOSDan>There's also a 500gb external there too
07:13<robinetd>Are you booting off of it or something?
07:13<GLaDOSDan>Yeah I am
07:14<robinetd>Makes sense then. Well, I don't see anything indicating that the system thinks the external is even plugged into it.
07:14<GLaDOSDan>I'll see if I can try another drive to check if the port is borked or something
07:15<robinetd>Also, putting swap on a flash device is probably not a good idea ;)
07:15<GLaDOSDan>Nowhere else for it to go
07:16<straterra>Then dont use it
07:16<GLaDOSDan>Yeah I could probably get away without it
07:16<straterra>Swap + flash == potential quick death
07:16<straterra>Older flash is slow likely don't gain much speed
07:17<GLaDOSDan>Well; I'll sort that later, more interested in getting this drive working first
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07:19<robinetd>pparadis: Found a bug in a library article.
07:19<The_PHP_Jedi>Good morning. :)
07:19<GLaDOSDan>Okay; it's working with another drive
07:20<robinetd>pparadis: <- scroll to the bottom in the "More Information" category. Click "Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny)"
07:21<robinetd>link takes you to dovecot-mysql-debian-6-squeeze, which doesn't exist and isn't what the text described to begin with. :D
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07:22<robinetd>Basically you just need to change it to dovecot-mysql-debian-5-lenny.
07:25<robinetd>GLaDOSDan: Plug your external drive back in, then sudo fdisk -l
07:25<GLaDOSDan>Not showing up
07:25<GLaDOSDan>If I plug the external into my netbook, I hear it spin up, but not when I plug it into this
07:26<robinetd>Does it have an external power supply?
07:26<Ovron>does it work on the netbook?
07:26<robinetd>Or is it powered by USB?
07:26<GLaDOSDan>It has an external power supply
07:26<GLaDOSDan>and it does work perfectly fine on my netbook
07:26<Ovron>and another drive worked fine in this computer, same port?
07:27<GLaDOSDan>I've tried rebooting it several times too
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08:10<dkam>hey guys - how long should it take to resize my disk +2GB?
08:11<amitz>dkam: resize down? depends on the fragmentation and location of your data, and probably your spare empty space.
08:11<dkam>amitz: resize up
08:11<amitz>resize up, for ext3, almost instant.
08:11<dkam>6 minutes so far. :-(
08:12<Peng>dkam: Any progress information in the dashboard?
08:12<dkam>Been at 50% most of the time.
08:12<dkam>Now at 25% because I added a "Deploy SSH Keys to host" job.
08:12<Peng>Look at the details, too.
08:13<Peng>There should be moer information in the job entry itself.
08:13<dkam>Just - Resize Disk - 302087]
08:13<dkam>Entered: 7 minutes 55 seconds ago - Took: 7 minutes, 48 seconds
08:14<dkam>Web console - not lish
08:14<amitz>and the new information is not reflected in the percentage of progress?
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08:14<dkam>New information?
08:14<dkam>It's sitting at 25%
08:15<amitz>Well, the number seems to indicate that the job has just finished? oh, I see.
08:15<linbot>New news from forums: OpenVZ on Linode - Invalid kernel: elf_xen_note_check in General Discussion <>
08:15<amitz>by a remote chance, do you use google chrome?
08:15<dkam>No - Safari
08:15<Ovron>that's almost chrome ;p
08:16<amitz>this is the time where I will serve you to a more knowing soul ;-)
08:16<amitz>aka open a ticket.
08:16<amitz>well... uh... the linode manager are said to work well with browsers other than google chrome.
08:19<dkam>Ticket open 400236. Any Linode staff here?
08:19<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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08:20<amitz>2 or 3 minutes are their usual response time, which is not necessarily their verbal response time, optimistically :-).
08:20<Ziggy>When I'm reisizing a disk image within linode CPanels, I don't have to have any worries right, just type in the new larger number, and resize?
08:20<Ziggy>And a restart after that
08:20<amitz>remember to shutdown your linode, and a backup is always wise.
08:21<Ziggy>When you say wise.. if there should be a problem, wouldn't that only be because something happened on linode's side?
08:21<dkam>Ziggy - my host has been down 15 minutes waiting for a disk resize +2G
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08:22<amitz>case in point, dkam :-p
08:22<dkam>Ha - Well I shutdown my host to resize - maybe that was my mistake ;-)
08:23<Ziggy>You didn't just do a reboot? :P
08:26*Ziggy has powered his linode off ready for a resize
08:26<dkam>Support says - fscking as we speek.
08:26<amitz>wait, you mean you didn't shutdown? O_o. Well, there is the so called online resizing but I'm not sure linode allows that... hmmm
08:26<dkam>It works fine in LVM. Will probably work for Ziggy. Maybe. Let us know huh? :-)
08:27<dkam>If I hit "Boot" now - the boot job just goes into the queue right?
08:29<Ziggy>Resize has finished for me, worked fine
08:29<Ziggy>Resized +10G
08:29<Ziggy>Took approx 5mins
08:31<amitz>ah yes, sorry I forget that the front part should be moved to provide space for the "FAT", hence expanding won't be instant.
08:32<dkam>20 minutes for me.
08:32<dkam>They always fsck your disk, so YMMV.
08:32<dkam>Thanks guys. Bye.
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09:31<ioio>hallo, my system keeps on getting a memory overload, when i load in lish i see this: but i can t vstat or hop so i don t know what is going wrong
09:32<JshWright>reduce your memory usage
09:32<JshWright>(or increase your available memory)
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09:33<ioio>JshWright: i d do that if it was really necessary but my sites were going fine on a bluehost with 128M memory so i think there is some problem here
09:34<Peng>ioio: There obviously is a problem.
09:34<Peng>ioio: The problem is your software is using more RAM than is available. Most likely it is misconfigured, such as an unrealistic Apache MaxClients setting.
09:34<ioio>Peng: i followed the library for low memory settings
09:35<Peng>It's possible you're simply running too much decently-configured software. Or you missed a spot.
09:36<JshWright>ioio: pastebin your Apache config
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09:37<JshWright>also, it looks like you're running some sort of spam filtering?
09:38<ioio> this is the actual memory stas, yes the spam filter seems to suck a lot of memory
09:38<Peng>Yeah, they tend to do that.
09:39<JshWright>was your 128M Bluehost instance running spam filtering?
09:39<Peng>And Apache and MySQL?
09:40<JshWright>and clamd?
09:41<ioio>apache2 config:
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09:41<ioio>i understand that but since I am also running a relatively small site i was wondering if there is some bad configuration
09:41<JshWright>I'd turn MaxClients down to something like 10, and turn KeepAlives off
09:42<JshWright>well, due to the high KeepAliveTimeout and MaxClients values, Apache is starting up to 24 server processes
09:43<JshWright>each server process consumes some amount of memory, so the easy way to reduce memory usage is to reduce the MaxClients value
09:44<JshWright>note: I'm assuming you're using PHP, and therefore using the prefork mpm
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09:55<ioio>JshWright: thanks i followed your advice and applied the changes
09:55<ioio>I think i may turn off the anti-virus
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10:06<ioio>i d like to know if there is any chance to troubleshoot when the system is stuck, even in the lish i can t do anything, for example stopping services and daemons and try to get the thing up withou trebooting
10:08<Peng>Rebooting is unfortunately a common outcome of swapping to death.
10:08<Peng>Hence the "to death",
10:10<Ovron>which is why it is so horrible, otherwise... it would be less horrible.
10:13<ioio>then probably turning off some feature and see if it happens again can be a way to troubleshoot
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10:15<ioio>eheh i ve installed thunderbird in one of the machines in the office and girl working there said it s the best thing ever
10:15<Kuboing>Evolution is better! >:(
10:15<ioio>isn t evolution linx only?
10:17<ioio>do you really think that they ll allow me to install linux on one of the machines ?
10:17<ioio>i don t own a gun, you know
10:18<Deezire>When it comes to mail, i prefer webmail, actually.
10:18<ioio>i can t allow the guys to keep the messages in the server
10:19<Deezire>So, you prefer to keep local copies of everything, dataloss and everything?
10:19<Deezire>Go with Google Apps, problem solved.
10:20<ioio>unfortunately we have a monthly 4000 addresses mailing list
10:20<Deezire>Google Apps premium
10:21<Ovron>4000 addresses mailing list, as in you send them out?
10:21<robinetd>Ovron: If you need viagra, he's your man.
10:22<Deezire>Mailing lists for other things than security bulletin should be abolished, imho :p
10:22<Ovron>not yet!
10:22<Ovron>Deezire: well I am not sure if he means newsletters or actual mailing lists now
10:22<Ovron>was trying to figure that out ;p
10:23<Deezire>The Google Apps mailing lists (groups) allows for unlimited mails internally, but 500/day external. With paid you bump that to around 5k/day
10:25<ioio>we run a local cultural review and we send every month 4000 mails to let people know the new issue is out
10:26<ioio>plus we send another 600 addresses a request for info about their programs before the new issue is... issued
10:27<ioio>so it is not a real mailing list, people don t respond, neither they can, it s a massive mail for infomation
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10:30<ioio>so yeah, it s a newsletter
10:30<FreeNodes>yo! :D
10:32<FreeNodes>why cant i see drupal server when i go to "join channel" uing chatzilla?
10:33<JshWright>you're just trying to join #drupal?
10:33<JshWright>did you try typing /join #drupal
10:34<swaj>probably wanna use Freenode.. I don't think there's an official #drupal on this network.
10:34<FreeNodes>yes , i tries,but all that i got is an empty room called '#drupal"
10:34<JshWright>swaj: no, he already did that, see his nick?
10:34<randallman>and I tries, and I tries, and I tries, yes I tries... I cant get no! NO NO NO!
10:34<swaj>I did notice it.
10:34<Kuboing>DRUPAL SUCKS
10:35*Kuboing continues working
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10:35<@pparadis>randallman: satisfaction?
10:35<randallman>NO NO NO!
10:35<randallman>HEY HEY HEY
10:35<swaj>FreeNodes: you need to go to the Freenode IRC network. That's where the official #drupal channel is.
10:35<ioio>it is #drupal-support
10:35<ioio>i don t think there is any #drupal
10:36<randallman>is there a dev channel, Im sure that the question would be better asked there :-)
10:36<FreeNodes>yes,i see that im out of free node now,ughhh
10:36<swaj>ioio: there is on Freenode. It's got 639 users atm.
10:38<ioio>hey don t look at me that way..
10:38<JshWright>(I'm sad because the system I'm working on doesn't have /dev/snd/by-path/, which I thought was going to solve all my problems)
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10:38<swaj>(I'm sad because I have a really nasty virus that's making me feel like poo)
10:39<tjfontaine>swaj: format and reinstall
10:39<Kuboing>(I'm sad because I don't have my pills)
10:39<swaj>so I have a new obsession. Rift (a new MMO).
10:41<randallman>Rift eh?
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10:41<randallman>not to be confused with Rifts (the old PnP RPG)
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10:43<swaj>yeah it's quite good.
10:44<randallman>After my 2 year love affair with EverQuest, I'm outa the MMO-game :0
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10:44<randallman>I tried a couple afterwards - none stacked up, nor am I single anymore :) And I can guarantee with my personality that I'd have to choose between the wife and the game :)
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10:58<linbot>New news from forums: Best configuration for drupal site? in Performance and Tuning <>
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11:05<pharaun>randallman: that was asheron's call for me :p used to play it growing up, my brother and I would violently fight for possession of the computer in order to play the said mmorpg :p
11:05<randallman>Really? AC? :-)
11:06<randallman>As an ex-eq'er, I laugh :)
11:06<pharaun>randallman: pfft, i never liked eq myself :p looked into it and went for AC, liked the class-less system myself
11:07<supo>the only proper way to play mmorpg is text based, sorry guys;-)
11:08<pharaun>You have been eaten by a grue!
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11:11<Mp5shooter>!library shorewall
11:11<pharaun>it likes you :p
11:12<@pparadis>pretty sure we don't have anything on shorewall.
11:12<@pparadis>there's lots of docs here -->
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11:12<tjfontaine>it's pretty straight forward and has plenty of documentation already
11:12<Mp5shooter>I was configuring it last night and I ended up blocking all access to my box from outside lol
11:12<@pparadis>but you should probably be asking yourself why you're setting up a firewall.
11:12<@pparadis>Mp5shooter ^
11:13<Mp5shooter>well why not? :P
11:13<@pparadis>that's not a good answer.
11:13<@pparadis>do you understand what firewalls do and what they don't do?
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11:13<Mp5shooter>A firewall is a part of a computer system or network that is designed to block unauthorized access while permitting authorized communications. It is a device or set of devices which is configured to permit or deny computer based application upon a set of rules and other criteria.
11:13<@pparadis>that's a BS answer, too.
11:14<randallman>urmom's a firewall! :-)
11:14<@pparadis>let me put it this way: what services are you running that you want to specifically limit network access to?
11:14<randallman>*cough* to which you want to specifically limit network access.
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11:14<@pparadis>randallman: <3
11:14<Mp5shooter>pparadis: umm.. nothing when you put it that way.. lol
11:14<TheFirst>randallman: and you're an example of what is created when firewalls aren't used
11:14<@pparadis>Mp5shooter: i thought as much.
11:14<randallman>TheFirst: wow... :-)
11:15<randallman>TheFirst: why the h9 ? :P
11:15*Mp5shooter uninstalls shorewall
11:15<TheFirst>randallman: because it's so much more gratifying than the alternative?
11:15<randallman>The difference between firewalling, packet filtering, stateful inspection, etc.. have blurred these days :)
11:16<randallman>TheFirst: bah :-0 <3 the randallman... :)
11:16<TheFirst>randallman: um, no?
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11:17<randallman>Your loss :-)
11:17<randallman>actually, I have no idea what Im going on about :-) Just FYI
11:18<TheFirst>oh that's a surprise
11:18<randallman>Damn bro
11:19<TheFirst>and to think...i'm NOT the resident asshole :P
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11:20<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) jkwood is utterly insane, (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted>
11:20<randallman>TheFirst: Yeah, the resident asshole is far nicer to me than thou :)
11:21<TheFirst>even assholes make mistakes sometimes ;)
11:21<randallman>Keep 'em coming
11:21<Peng>I think there is one advantage to running a firewall when you don't need it: if you suddenly do need it, cuz of some bum DoSing one of your services or something, blocking him takes much less work if everything is already set up.
11:22<@pparadis>or you could, i dunno, insert one iptables rule.
11:22<randallman>Peng, I think maintaining iptables is probably a better approach than per-application hosts access...
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11:22<randallman>e.g. tcp_wrappers, or http allow/deny
11:22<Peng>One iptables rule? That simple? I've always figured I'd have to juggle something.
11:22<@pparadis>also, some bum DoSing your stuff is gonna result in your stuff going away anyhow if he has big enough pipes.
11:23<randallman>if the default policy it to ACCEPT
11:23<Peng>pparadis: Sure, sure.
11:23<randallman>adding a single deny will be easy
11:23<Peng>I didn't say anything about TCP Wrappers and such. If that's what this conversation was about, well, I wasn't paying attention. :P
11:23<randallman>s/it to/is to/g
11:23<TheFirst>pparadis: how many people understand iptables enough to know how/what rule to add, though?
11:23<randallman>Peng, it's not specifically about tcp wrapeprs
11:23<@pparadis>TheFirst: google is an amazing thing. i promise you can find a simple iptables rule for that in less than two minutes.
11:23<robinetd>pparadis: you fix the bug in the documentation that I mentioned earlier? :>
11:23<@pparadis>robinetd: nope
11:24<TheFirst>pparadis: i think you give too much credit to the average person
11:24<randallman>TheFirst: if a linux admin can't grok iptables... they ought not be running Linux :)
11:24<@pparadis>robinetd: it'll go out eventually.
11:24<Peng>pparadis: I've never been DoSed, but there is the occasional IP I want to thwack with iptables anyway.
11:24<robinetd>pparadis: Even if it does, it still says debian 5 and links to 6.
11:24<TheFirst>randallman: ought not and are are two entirely different things
11:24<@pparadis>robinetd: what part of "it will go out" did you not get?
11:24<randallman>TheFirst: Indeed.
11:25<robinetd>... Kay.
11:25<@pparadis>robinetd: i do appreciate the note, btw :)
11:25<@pparadis>robinetd: also, you might want to either drop a comment on a guide when you find a broken link or whatnot, or drop an email to about it.
11:26<@pparadis>IRC isn't always the most dependable means of communicating these things.
11:26*robinetd is a lazy person.
11:26*snubby flatulates to congratulate
11:26<@pparadis>if anything, drop me a PM so i have it in a window that doesn't scroll to oblivion.
11:26*amitz just found out that they rhyme.
11:27<robinetd>pparadis: I'll probably do that then. I almost never scroll all the way to the bottom, so I don't notice the comment box :O
11:27<@pparadis>sure, a PM will work okay.
11:27<@pparadis>(i actually don't mind PMs for useful stuff, although getting hammered with random stuff is different)
11:27<robinetd>herd yuo liek headache.
11:28<robinetd>Does this mean I can't send you goatse links in PM?
11:28<randallman>I'm partial to the ascii art goatse myself
11:28<robinetd>yay goatse, we numba one.
11:29<@Perihelion>Do not want.
11:30<pharaun>You never want.
11:30<randallman>am not having
11:32<TheFirst>Perihelion: much like useless christmas gifts you may not want but you shall certainly receive
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11:36<@Perihelion>TheFirst: Rapists.
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11:39<liamjfoy>Hello - has anyone managed to have XP working in qemu on a linode VPS?
11:40<liamjfoy>(I personally have netbsd booted on my linode. Qemu install windows XP fine but is unable to boot).
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11:40*pharaun *binks*
11:41<tjfontaine>liamjfoy: you're making my stomach hurt
11:41<liamjfoy>my head hurts..
11:41<liamjfoy>which part :-)?
11:41*TheFirst 's mind is still trying to wrap his head around all the wrongness
11:41<Ovron>do you not need hardware virtualization support for it?
11:41<tjfontaine>Ovron: qemu will do full emulation
11:41<tjfontaine>painfully slow
11:41<Ovron>oh, right - emulation \o/
11:41<liamjfoy>and netbsd XEN is fantastic.
11:41<pharaun>Ovron: slow enough for you to die of old age before it boots up :p
11:42<Ovron>probably like vmware workstation running debian+xen4 running a domUs? ;D
11:42<TheFirst>pharaun: oh ... so it runs as fast as when on native hardware?
11:42<liamjfoy>pharaun: just doesn't boot, but installs fine - it isn't that slow either - 40 min install?
11:42<pharaun>TheFirst: sounds about right :)
11:43<pharaun>liamjfoy: let me ask you this. Why??
11:43<liamjfoy>well, my vps has enough resources to run a tiny XP installation via vnc.
11:43<Ovron>liamjfoy: are you on ubuntu 10.04 by any chance, or was it netbsd that was your os on the linode?
11:43<liamjfoy>and I have no spare hardware here so why not try?
11:44<liamjfoy>Ovron: I have a netbsd dom running....
11:48<liamjfoy>TheFirst: whats wrong by the way?
11:48<liamjfoy>this wrongness you speak about :)
11:49*TheFirst hunts for his bat
11:49<liamjfoy>technical arguments only :)
11:49<liamjfoy>I would only agree if this was a production machine..
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11:54<amitz>that's like using glass to eat pancake by arguing that it's technically possible. You can but it's gonna be awkward...
11:54<liamjfoy>awkward isn't wrong ;-)
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11:55<amitz>yes, I guess by declaring that you're gonna do it, you tickle people's sense of "properness" ;-)
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11:57<liamjfoy>amitz: :)
11:57<HarryD>hi Boohemian
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12:00<greenskeleton>is there still a link in Linode Manager for closing your account? the FAQ mentions one, but the interface has been updated
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12:00<amitz>yes there is, at least 3 weeks ago.
12:00<greenskeleton>is that accomplished by removing the linode itself?
12:01<Peng>greenskeleton: What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
12:01<Peng>There's a "Cancel this Account" link at the bottom of
12:01<greenskeleton>ah, didn't catch that
12:01<Peng>greenskeleton: If you just want to stop paying Linode money, you can cancel all your services without deleting your account entirely.
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12:03<greenskeleton>ok. thanks for pointing out something I overlooked
12:03<Boohemian>HarryD: how goes?
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12:13<HarryD>not bad, just cleaned my room.
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12:29<batande>Looking for some help setting up the mail server.
12:30<batande>I have an MX record like so:
12:30<@pparadis>please don't obscure ip addresses and domains when asking for help, it only makes it harder for people to help you.
12:31<Deezire>There is no MX-records there
12:31<Deezire>vegardlap-mbp:~ vegardhansen$ dig +short MX
12:31<Deezire>vegardlap-mbp:~ vegardhansen$
12:31<bliblok> 86400 IN MX 10
12:32<batande>Can anyone help me in rectifying this please?
12:33<bliblok>What are you trying to set up?
12:33<Deezire>And what are your issues? Is this just set up?
12:33<batande>dovecot+postfix for my domain (
12:34<bliblok>So you want to send mail to addresses like
12:34<bliblok>Then you need an mx record for
12:35<batande>I have setup an MX record as in my DNS Manager.
12:35<batande>IIRC, it was always there like that.
12:35<bliblok>Remove it, unless you want to recieve mail to
12:36<bliblok>Or just keep it. The important thing is that you need to make a new one, for
12:36<batande>I have denoted the subdomain with an asterisk.
12:36<batande>Is that good enough?
12:37<Ovron>You're missing the point; when a resolver looks for an MX record for it won't find one, since there isn't one
12:37<batande>I see.
12:38<batande>OK. The MX record reads as "" now.
12:41<batande>OK. My current MX record is resolvable and Thunderbird seems to recognize an IMAP setting on
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12:55<lemiant>Is it possible to use a StackScript on my home linux VM?
12:56<Ovron>lemiant: look at what they do, and see if you can
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12:57<SleePy>I see no reason they shouldn't
12:57<AviMarcus>it's mostly just bash stuff
12:58<lemiant>ok, I'll give it a try
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13:02<amitz>you need to download all the dependencies though
13:03<Ovron>too late, he parted
13:06*jstn grumbles
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13:21<amitz>damn, perhaps I should not ignore all parts.
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13:30<Boohemian>anywhere here know what to mark on a W4 if you don't want *any* money (taxes) withheld from your paycheck?
13:31<@Praefectus>Boohemian: you have the form in front of you?
13:31<@Praefectus>read the instructions
13:31<tjfontaine> <-- read read read
13:31<@Praefectus>also, thats offtopic, kthx
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13:33<Boohemian>tjfontaine: thanks, i didn't have the second page. so "0" means take out no taxes, okay, cool :)
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13:34<Null_>I've currently got a credit on my account, with no linodes running. Can I safely leave thigns in this state for a few months ect. and come back one day and use it, or is there some inactivity period where things may get disabled if I don't have a running node?
13:37<@pparadis>you're welcome to leave things as they are.
13:37<@pparadis>i believe if you log into the account once per year, you're good to go.
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13:41<batande>How to make Firefox respect the favicon.ico in apache redirects? (Chrome doesnt seem to have a problem)
13:41<Null_>ok thanks pparadis
13:42<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu 10.04 clean install - need kernel headers in General Discussion <>
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13:47<@Praefectus>batande: is it a .ico file?
13:49<@Praefectus>did you add the link tag for it in your html file?
13:50<batande>Nope. It was automatically served by Apache I thought?
13:52<Ovron>browsers ask for the file, but they also look for it in the link tag for them
13:52<Boohemian>Null_: just don't get hacked in the process. at that point, linode is up your butt with a flashlight and won't leave you alone
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13:54<batande>I see. I will fix that then.
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13:59<SleePy>jeremy@***:~/tmp$tar --exclude=.svn -czf ../filter.tgz *
13:59<SleePy>tar: Option --exluce=.svn is not supported
13:59<SleePy>I'm confused.. :|
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14:04<v0lksman>is there a public box in Newark I can run a trace to? I need to have a third party test connectivity for me but I don't want to reveal my servers to them... :)
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14:05<v0lksman>I guess that makes sense! :P thanks!
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14:39<v0lksman>anyone here a Teksavvy client?
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14:50<siculars>i've read the howto on setting up private addrs after getting assigned a private addr via the web console. however, is there a way to automagically configure /etc/network/interfaces via a stackscript or whatever?
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15:33<siculars>i've read the howto on setting up private addrs after getting assigned a private addr via the web console. however, is there a way to automagically configure /etc/network/interfaces via a stackscript or whatever? right now its manual and i got more than 1 vmachine to set up...
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15:34<tjfontaine>you mean haven't initially deployed them?
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15:35<tjfontaine>you create a new stackscript that inherits something like
15:35<siculars>they are allocated but a number of them havent been first booted yet
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15:36<siculars>cool... but you still need to type numbers in a box , right ?
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15:37<tjfontaine>siculars: yes to get more automatic you'll need to use the api
15:37<siculars>k, thanks. understood.
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16:25<liamjfoy>(managed to boot xp in qemu inside xp ;))
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16:25<robinetd>liamjfoy: My condolences.
16:25<liamjfoy>inside netbsd*
16:25<tjfontaine>liamjfoy: btw #qemu is certainly able to help your linux+qemu -> xp issue
16:25<liamjfoy>tjfontaine: tried the other day and no one knew
16:26<liamjfoy>or answered I should say...
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16:31<pharaun>liamjfoy: well now its booted up, what yer going to do with it :p
16:31<Ovron>.net appserver of course!
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16:35<liamjfoy>pharaun: I only needed it for IE (for work) :-)
16:35<liamjfoy>we use browsercams at work but its rubbish.
16:36<pharaun>nay, clone 100's if not 1000's of this and resell it as .net appserver :>
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16:38<charliepark>I've followed the 10.04 LTS setup tutorial and SSL tutorial, but loading https just redirects to http. Any thoughts on best places to look for accidental redirects or other issues?
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16:39<dertavon>I currently have 2 linodes. If I remove one, will I keep its share of the bandwidth? So its 200 gigs/month also gets prorated, right?
16:40<JshWright>you'll lose (3/31)*200GB of transfer if you cancel it today
16:40<JshWright>(I assume..)
16:40<dertavon>thats what I was thinking...
16:40<dertavon>200/31*28 should stay on the account...
16:40<dertavon>im hoping at least
16:40<JshWright>I would be very surprised if that weren't the case
16:41<dertavon>linode 1 is going to go over its 200 gigs, but linode 2 has used like nothing
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16:41*mDuff would mail support@ for an official answer if nobody with an @ by their name answers here
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16:44<LinodeJavaUser>Does anyone have any experience with dedicated servers in the same DC as Linode Newark? One that can sit on the same private network? But costs a little less than $800/mo for a 20GB Linode.
16:45<tjfontaine>the private network is not accessible outside of the linode umbrella without you creating a vpn from a node inside the umbrella
16:46<@Praefectus>LinodeJavaUser: the only servers that can access the linode private network is a linode
16:46<LinodeJavaUser>I thought that might be the case.
16:46<LinodeJavaUser>but if I rent a dedicated in the same DC it'll still be fast, but not free right?
16:47<LinodeJavaUser>Anyone got any recommendations to rent a dedicated server in the Newark DC?
16:47<LinodeJavaUser>(well, possibly a few, but initially one)
16:48<robinetd>There's only one datacenter in Newark?
16:48<AviMarcus_>the datacenter is
16:48<AviMarcus_>according to
16:48<JshWright>specifically, the Cedar Knolls DC
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16:51<AviMarcus>"1U Open Rack" is one machine?
16:51<AviMarcus>"900 square foot Private Cage" :')
16:52<JshWright>1U Open Rack is 1U of space on an oepn rack
16:52<@Praefectus>AviMarcus: no, its a 1u, meaning you can fit a 1u server in there, but not a 2u
16:52<AviMarcus>well yeah I know a 2u won't fit
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16:52<AviMarcus>open rack as opposed to locking cabinet means other people might mess with your wires..?
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16:53<pharaun>is that usually a real concern?
16:53<@Praefectus>not really
16:53<JshWright>in reality, that's not likely to happen, but if you want any level of PCI, it's important
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16:53<robacarp>does linode support changing my reverse ip lookup?
16:54<JshWright>robacarp: sure, it's right in the control panel
16:54<@Praefectus>robacarp: you can modify your rdns in your dashboard
16:54<@Praefectus>under remote access
16:54<LinodeJavaUser>robacarp: it's on the 'Remote Access' page of the control panel
16:54<robinetd>There seems to be an echo in here.
16:54<robacarp>hmm...overwhelming reply...
16:55<Ovron>I am surprised no one answered yet; it is in the control panel under Remote Access
16:55<robacarp>so, when I click 'reverse dns' it doesn't give me the option to set anything, just do lookups
16:55<robacarp>and it shows me the current rdns
16:55<@Praefectus>robacarp: you need to make sure you have the A entry set up before you can change it
16:55<Ovron>robacarp: you need a valid A record for it to allow it as ptr
16:55<LinodeJavaUser>Anyone have any idea of's prices? i.e Is 2u gonna run me to $600/mo and therefore I'm better off not bothering just going for a 20GB linode?
16:56<@Praefectus>LinodeJavaUser: pricing can vary, you'd need to ask nac for specific pricing
16:56<AviMarcus>LinodeJavaUser, I think you have to ask
16:56<AviMarcus>however, since they specifically mention 1U availability, that's a good sign..
16:56<robacarp>oooooooh, do I need to have my dns hosted with linode for that to happen?
16:56<TheFirst>if you're spending that much money, or considering it, I'd think a phonecall would be first thing on your list
16:56<TheFirst>or email or whatever
16:56<pharaun>but do take in factor the fact that you will need to deal with hardware, and so forth
16:57<pharaun>the nice thing i like about linode/vps is that it abstracts away the hardware for you so you usually don't need to worry about it
16:57<LinodeJavaUser>Yeah, except I'm 3000 miles away in the UK, so dealing with hardware is a big issue ;)
16:57<Ovron>and make sure to have some out-of-band thing or you will sooner or later cry
16:57<AviMarcus>LinodeJavaUser, that might indeed be an issue.
16:57<pharaun>LinodeJavaUser: hence me recommending to just use a linode, they already take care of that for you :) but in the end if you decide on having a ded box, yeah you're going to have to take care of the hardware :p
16:58<AviMarcus>well, that's for colo
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16:58<AviMarcus>they don't offer dedicated servers on the website
16:58<pharaun>oh there's nother service where you get colo + they provide the hardware ?
16:58<pharaun>i suppose there's those too
16:58<Ovron>those usually go labeled as "dedicated servers"
16:58<LinodeJavaUser>I was wondering if anyone offered dedicated servers where they provide the hardware you see.
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16:59<AviMarcus>yeah, lots of DCs offer dedicated servers
16:59<pharaun>heh yeah, i had a brainfart there :| but yeah a dedicated server would do the trick
16:59<LinodeJavaUser>Colo doesn't really work because I'm so remote, but if they could provide the hardware too it'd work.
16:59<AviMarcus>but NAC's website does't seem to mention it
16:59<pharaun>call them
16:59<Ovron>There ought to be at least one third party that offer such services in that DC, even if the DC doesn't itself
16:59<AviMarcus>yeah, you can call them, but it's weird that it's not on the site considering how much other stuff is listed there
16:59<LinodeJavaUser>Ovron: that's what I was looking for really, wondered if anyone had any experience.
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16:59<AviMarcus>do a search for sites with a link to
17:00<Ovron>I know a few european ones will gladly tell you of their customers that do such services; perhaps you should give them a call or email
17:00<pharaun>its 5pm here so should be able to call em, if not, just fire off an email
17:00<LinodeJavaUser>Didn't seem to find much last time I looked, just a few old threads on WHT, but I'll give them a ring.
17:00<AviMarcus>dedicated servers tend not to come with raid 10, 15k HDs
17:01<Ovron>from less reliable companies, no
17:01<pharaun>AviMarcus: hah i was going to yell then i re-read that statement :p
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17:01<LinodeJavaUser>AviMarcus: Depend where you get 'em from.
17:01<AviMarcus>I said "tend"
17:01<pharaun>hence the re-read :>
17:01<Ovron>it is like saying VPSes tend not to come with raid 10, 15k HDs
17:02<Ovron>depends where you get it ;)
17:02<pharaun>or that urmom tends to not be used :>
17:02<Ovron>you'd be surprised
17:02<pharaun>color me surprised
17:03<LinodeJavaUser>Right. I'm gonna go continue my Google-quest. Thanks for the help :)
17:03<SleePy>Is she as is?
17:03<Ovron>urmom's pretty much
17:03<SleePy>!urmom Ovron
17:03<linbot>SleePy: Yo mammas so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:8/1) [muomr]
17:04<jkwood>!urmom vote up 797
17:04<linbot>jkwood: Voted up 797 [mmour]
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17:04<pharaun>I'll be damned, that is ugly
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17:04<SleePy>I thought there was a param it accepted to return the comment to the another :|
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17:05<Ovron>it couldn't see past urmom
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17:06<theacolyte>Probably a dumb question, but do you guys do PO's?
17:06<robacarp>okay, so if I'm hosting my own DNS, and I have the A records for my domain on my name server, do I add the PTR record to a IN-ADDR.ARPA zone or does linode?
17:06<@pparadis>if you've got a different sort of billing need, please feel free to open a ticket to inquire about it.
17:06<@pparadis>theacolyte ^
17:07<theacolyte>pparadis: ah, neat, so that's a maybe! Thanks :) I'll send something in
17:07<Ovron>robacarp: linode
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17:09<robacarp>Ovron: thought so...
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17:33<tonyyarusso>Stupid Dreamhost. Sane hosts are able to enable your account immediately when you make a payment...
17:35<jkwood>They're also able to disable your account upon request.
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17:37<tonyyarusso>jkwood: *My* account left them years ago - my church is still there though since it's cheap.
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17:41<DephNet[Paul]>tonyyarusso, you are assuming Dreamhost is a sane host ;)
17:41<buser>I know this depends on how well the site is designed, but what's an educated guess at the traffic a PHP website for a simple, efficient polling website could support on linode 512 or 1024? I'm just wondering what the order of magnitude is here?
17:41<tonyyarusso>DephNet[Paul]: Nonono, certainly not. I was using that as a means of *comparison* :P
17:42<tonyyarusso>buser: over 9000
17:42<JshWright>buser: "a lot"
17:42<buser>millions of hits a month if properly deployed?
17:42<tonyyarusso>buser: To a large degree it will depend more on things like optimization of requests and caching than actual hit numbers.
17:42<JshWright>though "per month" is a fairly useless metric
17:42<JshWright>"per second" is much more useful
17:43<buser>right, I'm assuming an even distribution of traffic here
17:43<Ovron>with good caching, it won't matter that it is dynamic
17:43<tonyyarusso>One million hits per month = 2.25 hits per minute. No problem.
17:43<JshWright>I assume by "polling website" you mean that users will be submitting some piece of information as their primary form of interaction with the site
17:44<@pparadis>really, thorough testing is necessary during development anyhow, and it's much better to ask about specific performance enhancement ideas as you actually get things done.
17:44<tonyyarusso>wait, that doesn't seem right...
17:44<@pparadis>people spend so much time trying to guess at things, without actually getting any useful work (including testing) done.
17:44<DephNet[Paul]>buser, lets just say, somewhere between and ;)
17:44<tonyyarusso>yeah, whoops. 22.5 hits per minute rather.
17:45<@pparadis>this is why we have benchmarking tools.
17:45<buser>I know, I realize how stupid this question is out of context. I do backend development and I'm clueless with PHP :(
17:45<tonyyarusso>So.....any of y'all good with PL/pgSQL?
17:45<@pparadis>a much better question might be "given these parameters, what are some common ways of efficiently doing things?"
17:46<sirpengi>isn't PHP backend development?
17:46<DephNet[Paul]>buser, I have seen a poorly developed site take a quad core Xeon with 12GB RAM down on 1 hit
17:46*tonyyarusso wishes he had some clue how to proceed :(
17:46<Ovron>I got stuck where sirpengi did as well
17:46<SleePy>What site was that?
17:47<buser>wow, that's pretty bad
17:47<tonyyarusso>pparadis: yeah....reading stuff is what my last few days has consisted of :S
17:47<Ovron>buser: what is "backend development" for you?
17:47<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: did you also happen to google for "pl pgsql examples" ?
17:48<tonyyarusso>pparadis: Yes. Problem is I
17:48<@pparadis>the first example for me is a nifty article by david wheeler -->
17:48<buser>Ovron: Well I worked on database and browser engine in c++ before so I know little about web development
17:48<tonyyarusso>m trying to translate a MySQL thing, and I don't entirely understand it either.
17:48<Ovron>buser: right
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17:49<JshWright>buser: get creative with caching, queuing writes, etc, and I wouldn't be surprised if you could handle several dozen "hits"/sec (I'm assuming a pretty write-heavy workload, for a mostly read-based workload, several hundred per second would be more reasonable)
17:49<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: also, the postgresql mailing lists might be very helpful -->
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17:49<tonyyarusso>pparadis: frankly, I'm not even sure if plpgsql is what I want, or if this is supposed to be raw SQL. My goal is to adapt the example in section 2.1 of, under "This is for use with a SELECT update_passwd(%o,%c,%u) query" to a postgres environment.
17:49<buser>I'm just trying to give an estimate at the hosting cost of a website on linode as a function of the hits without having the site implemented. This tasks is pulling numbers out of thin air but I want to give something reasonable.
17:50<tjfontaine>$40 one 512 for www, one 512 for db
17:50<Ovron>buser: it completely depends on what it does, as has been mentioned
17:51<JshWright>$0.05/day for some memcached goodness ;)
17:51<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: have you tried ?
17:51<buser>Ovron: You're right, but I see some good ideas mention above so it should give me some ideas to base my estimate off. Thanks everyone
17:51<tonyyarusso>pparadis: yeah, but never found someone with time to walk through it
17:51<@pparadis>buser: people serve millions of pageviews a month from linode 512s.
17:52<tjfontaine>JshWright: have I mentioned that LinCached is a wonderful service?
17:52<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: i think the mailing lists might be a better bet for this, as it's an environment that is good for giving folks a chance to examine things at their own pace.
17:54<JshWright>tjfontaine: not nearly recently enough ;)
17:54<Crothers>I have a website on Linode right now, being powered by a Linode 1.5gb. Runs "ok", I'm upgrading it tonight to a rather heavy duty cluster since it's earning me money. Going to work with linodes HA stuff. :) It gets between 1 and 2 million hits a month or so.
17:54<@pparadis>lincached make me waffles this morning. they were delicious.
17:55<tjfontaine>JshWright: lincached is a wonderful service and quite the breeze to setup, thanks for creating it
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17:55<@pparadis>lincached has my vote in 2012.
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18:08<AviMarcus>tonyyarusso, doesn't dreamhost give non-profits free shared hosting?
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18:09<lemiant>Where do you put values for "$DB_PASSWORD" and the like, in the linode LAMP stack?
18:09<tonyyarusso>AviMarcus: They claim to, but don't actually if you're a church. They require you to send them a copy of your forms registering you as a non-profit with the IRS, but under United States law churches are *automatically* recognized as non-profits, and thus do not have the paperwork Dreamhost requires.
18:10<@caker>lemiant: when you deploy that stackscript, the Linode Manager will prompt you
18:10<hyde>Hello guys, I need a little help because my linode is constantly OOming and/or crashing, and I don't know why. I have munin installed but I don't see any "weird" behavior.
18:11<lemiant>I'm trying to execute it on a VM on my computer, so that it is an exact copy of linode.
18:11<lemiant>So I don't have the manager
18:11<hyde>This is what kern.log looks like and syslog:
18:11<@caker>lemiant: best way would be to execute it ON a Linode, and then copy the resulting image
18:12<lemiant>Ok, that sounds good
18:13<Bar_>I know it's not related to lindoe, but maybe someone knows - Is it possible to upload multiple files to S3?
18:13<Bar_>at the same request ?
18:13<Bar_>I do have a linode, just using S3 for storing stuff :p
18:15<JshWright>hyde: what are you running on your node?
18:16<JshWright>and you really should pick a closer NTP server...
18:16<hyde>JshWright: I'm using apache and nginx as proxy server (I've tuned mysql.cnf and apache preferences according to the guide in the linode library) and currently hosting like 15 wordpress blogs (in total ~15,000 UV/day)
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18:17<JshWright>hyde: what's your MaxClients value set to?
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18:17<Bar_>or a better question will be - Anyone is using Amazon S3 extensively here (20,000+ files per day uploaded) ?
18:18<JshWright>Bar_: I upload a few dozen a day
18:18<Bar_>JshWright: How ? s3cmd ?
18:18<hyde>JshWright: it is setup to 64
18:18<JshWright>hyde: on a 512?
18:19<hyde>JshWright: I upgraded it to a 768
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18:19<JshWright>even still... 64 is pretty high
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18:19<JshWright>Do you have KeepAlives disabled?
18:20<hyde>yes, it is disabled
18:20<AviMarcus>max clients is 64 on nginx?
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18:21<AviMarcus>15k pageviews spread out over 4 hours is still only 1 per second
18:21<hyde>AviMarcus: no, it's in the apache's file
18:21<JshWright>hyde: I'd drop MaxClients down to 25 or so
18:21<AviMarcus>why would you have apache and nginx as a proxy server..?
18:22*mDuff would use Varnish if he wanted a proxy server in front of Apache
18:22<JshWright>nginx is a perfectly capable reverse proxy
18:22*pparadis would actually use nginx
18:22<mDuff>(...nginx is a reasonably adequate proxy server, but varnish is a bloody outstanding one; if you weren't using nginx already...)
18:22<hyde>AviMarcus: I serve a lot of images and the performance improved a lot with nginx. Unfortunately I can't dump apache because I have some sites that require apache
18:23<@pparadis>don't dump it, proxy it.
18:23<hyde>JshWright: thank you, I'll set the value to 24 and see what happen :)
18:23<AviMarcus>my question was more about the apache if you had nginx already
18:23<@pparadis>now is an excellent time to espouse the virtues of caching, too!
18:23<JshWright>hyde: like even numbers? ;)
18:23<AviMarcus>or using JshWright's memcache :P
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18:24<Ovron>anyone heard about that Linsides thing? *ahem*
18:24<JshWright>hyde: pparadis is spot on (as usual), I assume you're using some sort of caching plugin for your wordpress sites?
18:24<hyde>I'm using w3 total cache installed with memcache, and event with that he linode crashes :(
18:25<Ovron>how much RAM are you giving to memcache? Funny things happen if it has too low.
18:25<JshWright>if you're using nginx as a reverse proxy, you might want to cache there
18:25<@pparadis>of course, if only there were a way to move that memory requirement off the local node and onto something else for memcache...
18:25<hyde>nginx is proxying files
18:25<Ovron>pparadis: haha
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18:26<hyde>Ovron: 1 second
18:26<AviMarcus>he probably doesn't need it. Just sounds like apache is being annoying
18:26<vekijeaa>How long it takes to activate account? :)
18:26<@pparadis>oh man! there's a way after all!
18:26<AviMarcus>vekijeaa, usually not long. If you are antsy, you can send an email to to see what's up
18:27<@pparadis>vekijeaa: most accounts are activated instantly, but some may be flagged for manual review.
18:27<Ovron>You might also want to use APC or some other opcode cache to help out. One ought not run PHP without one.
18:27<hyde>how can I know how much ram is allocated for memcache? ^^
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18:27<JshWright>ps ax should tell you
18:27<JshWright>how did you install it?
18:27<Ovron>or check its configuration / init file
18:28<hyde>JshWright: just via apt-get, I'm using ubuntu
18:28<hyde>Ovron: ok, just a minute
18:28<vekijeaa>thanx people, my account will be manualy reviewed, but "I want it now"
18:28<hyde>This is how W3 total cache is set up on my sites
18:29<JshWright>hyde: then it's set to use 64mb
18:29<@pparadis>vekijeaa: have you checked your email recently?
18:30<JshWright>hyde: at the risk of some shameless plugging, you could try using LinCached to handle your memcached instance(s) for you, freeing up that 64MB for your web and DB servers
18:31<AviMarcus>lol. Something makes me thing it's actually unnecessary
18:31<hyde>JshWright: never heard about LinCached, going to take a look at it
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18:31<AviMarcus>hyde, which data center are you in?
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18:32<hyde>AviMarcus: in Fremont
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18:32<AviMarcus>JshWright, which data centers are you in? texas and newark? or just newark?
18:32<JshWright>I don't have any capacity in Fremont at the moment...
18:32<JshWright>right now I only have excess capacity in Dallas and Newark
18:33<AviMarcus>geez the local bus companies website is crashing. at 12:30 am no less. They need to run on linode..
18:33<JshWright>hyde: if you decide it is something you're interested in, let me know and I'll spin up a host in fremont
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18:35<hyde>JshWright: Thank you, although I've never heard of the term spin up, what does it mean? :)
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18:35<@pparadis>hyde: it means "make it go"
18:35<JshWright>hyde: In my case, it would mean "purchase a linode, configure it to run memcached instances, and add it to my management system"
18:35<hyde>ppardis: thank you, English is not my first language
18:36<JshWright>that's the long version, the short version is "Deploy from StackScript"
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18:37<hyde>JshWright: now I understand thank you
18:39<AviMarcus>"mslworld" is that a standard name from any sort of framework?
18:39<AviMarcus>oh. wfrmMain.aspx.. asp
18:40<hyde>i've set MaxClients to a value of 24, I hope it prevents the linode from crashing if not, I'll ask for help again lol. Than you JshWright, AviMarcus, ppardis and Ovron, that's why I love linode :D
18:40<Ovron>mspaint is another one, pretty awesome, AviMarcus
18:41<Ovron>hyde: might want to monitor it a bit more closely around when it usually goes down; have htop up and vmstat etc
18:41<Ovron>may help you see what is going wrong
18:42<hyde>Ovron: I'll leave open an instance of LISH console and see what process is killing my linode, thanks again :D
18:42<Ovron>good luck ^
18:42<AviMarcus>lol no Ovron, .. keeps not responding on certain clicks
18:42<Ovron>AviMarcus: I was just joking
18:42<Ovron>hey, that site has the text going the wrong way! ;)
18:43<AviMarcus>their site has pretty inconsistent performance.. but the info is good. and thank G-D it's in english
18:43<Ovron>it is? I see hebrew
18:43<AviMarcus>otherwise, yeah, it's hebrew
18:43<AviMarcus>ah, I cut the tail - yours has "&language=he"
18:43<Ovron>oh there's an english linky ^
18:44<AviMarcus>yeah. bus route.
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18:44<AviMarcus>and times
18:44<AviMarcus>hmm, just gotta get google to integrate it. That would be sweet.
18:44<JshWright>AviMarcus: from your usage of "G-D", I'd assume Hebrew wouldn't be too big an issue
18:44<AviMarcus>JshWright, not a show stopper but annoying :x
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18:45<AviMarcus>first I'd have to switch to a hebrew keyboard layout, which I don't know off hand
18:45<AviMarcus>anyway, night folks.
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18:56<vraa>if there is a disaster can linode ship me my disk?
18:57<Ovron>you should keep off-site backups, that is your responsibility
18:57<GLaDOSDan>You don't have a disk, either
18:57<devilspgd>vraa: You do know that everything is virtual, so you don't really have "a disk" right?
18:57<Ovron>it is in... *gasp*... THE CLOUD.
18:58<GLaDOSDan>I want to opt out of having my node in the cloud
18:58<GLaDOSDan>I want mine on the ground
18:58<vraa>so no way i can get it burmed to a bluray?
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18:59<robinetd>Yes. Download it and burn it to a bluray.
18:59<@ericoc>you could copy your disk image over SSH and do anything with it locally, if you would like
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19:10<vraa>i'm just assuming if my internet goes out
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19:14<Kyhwana_>vraa: then goto somewhere that has internet
19:14<vraa>i'm thinking nuclear disaster
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19:16<Twog>having some trouble editing my host/etc/ on ubuntu, anyone around to lend a hand?
19:17<chesty>I was wondering if there a disaster whether I can have my cpu and memory shipped to me, I have the data backed up, just need the memory and cpu
19:18<GLaDOSDan>Yeah that's possible, chesty
19:18<chesty>Twog: pastebin your current /etc/hosts and the output of hostname
19:18<GLaDOSDan>There's a disaster scheduled for tomorrow, actually
19:18<Kyhwana_>vraa: then you have bigger problems to worry about, at that point.
19:18<vraa>nah my datacenter is in dallas
19:18<vraa>i'm in houston
19:18<Kyhwana_>And if you're in a nuclear disaster area, your postal system probably won't be working
19:18<vraa>i bet fedex would work
19:19<@caker>unless ... you are: The Postman
19:19<Twog>chesty: i can edit them, i just cant save the file. Im currently running Ubuntu 10.04
19:19<Kyhwana_>vraa: if dallas gets nuked, your data is gone if you don't have it backed up locally
19:19<Kyhwana_>Twog: you need to be root (or use sudo)
19:19<vraa>well i was hoping for texas to be safe
19:19<@Praefectus> /me doesn't think Kevin Costner is in here
19:19<vraa>aka the rest of usa could get :(
19:19<Kyhwana_>vraa: if houston gets nuked, you're probably dead anyway
19:20<@Praefectus>even if dallas gets nuked, yer probly dead
19:20<Kyhwana_>haha, true
19:20<vraa>yeah but i'm saying texas probably wont have anything happen to it
19:20<vraa>new york and la are much better targets themselves
19:20<Twog>Kyhwana_: i am logged in as root
19:20<Kyhwana_>vraa: then your net might still be fine, you know, that whole nuclear attack, continue working thing
19:20<Kyhwana_>Twog: hmm, check that /etc/hosts isn't read only? (it shouldn't be)
19:21<chesty>Twog: what editor are you using?
19:21<vraa>well i do download my db every night
19:21<vraa>so i hope that's enough
19:21<Twog>chesty: using gedit
19:21<Twog>Khywana_: how can I check if its read only? Sorry, ubuntu #noob
19:21<chesty>oh, can you run `touch /etc/hosts`
19:21<@caker>touch /...
19:22<@mikegrb>mmm cake
19:22<robinetd>the cake has spoken.
19:22<Kyhwana_>ls -ls /etc/hosts
19:23<chesty>the file system might have been mounted read only
19:23<chesty>or rather remounted ro
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19:23<Twog>Khywana_ 4-rw-r--r--
19:24<Twog><Twog> Khywana_: 4-rw-r--r--
19:24<Kyhwana_>Twog: are you sure you're root?
19:26<Kyhwana_>If you are, do a cat /proc/mounts, which should show: rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 /dev/root / ext3 rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=writeback 0 0 (or similar)
19:26<@caker>holy crap .. just do: touch /etc/hosts
19:26<Kyhwana_>the "rw" is the read/write bit.
19:26<akerl>Twog: what does `whoami` output? (without the backticks)
19:26<Kyhwana_>caker: whats the bet he gets "Permission denied" back?
19:27<chesty>Twog: can you ping localhost?
19:27<Twog>akerl: whoami outputs root
19:27<Twog>chesty: yes I can ping localhost
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19:27<chesty>but can you touch /etc/hosts?
19:27<niftylettuce>Amazon EC2 + node.js anyone try??
19:28<@caker>niftylettuce: why EC2?
19:28<niftylettuce>caker: for MMORPG on Android/iPhone I built
19:28<niftylettuce>caker: 1 million users within next 6 months
19:28<niftylettuce>caker: ;)
19:29<@caker>yes, but why EC2 and not Linode (genuinely asking)
19:29<niftylettuce>caker: I guess I could always route peeps to a diff Linode based on their location
19:30<Twog>caker: touch /etc/hosts doesnt return anything
19:30<niftylettuce>load balancers?
19:30<@caker>Twog: ok, then you don't have a problem.
19:30<@caker>Twog: edit the file, and then save
19:30<Twog>caker: I access the file by sudo vi /etc/hosts, and i cant save it
19:31<@caker>Twog: ok, why not? what happens?
19:31<akerl>if you're root, why are you sudo'ing?
19:31<Kyhwana_>vi will say it's a read-only file if you're not running vi as root.
19:32<@caker>Kyhwana_: let him answer :)
19:33<Twog>caker: once I open it, i dont have an option to save/dont know
19:33<Twog>caker: dont know how*
19:34<robacarp>anyone know if linode supports setting up rdns _without_ using linode to host my dns?
19:34<Yaakov>robacarp: Yes.
19:34<Yaakov>Just make the forward legit.
19:34<chesty>Yaakov: yes you know, or yes it can?
19:35<Yaakov>Twog: Type :w
19:35<@caker>Twog: ESC and then two capital Zs
19:35<Yaakov>Hello, caker.
19:36<Yaakov>Yes, I should have said, "ESC :w ENTER".
19:37<robacarp>Yaakov: hmm...
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19:40<Yaakov>robacarp: Once the foward is in place, you will have the choice to use it.
19:42<Twog>caker: thanks for your help so far. two capital Z's work to exit, but now when I try and reopen the file, I get the file message
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19:45<akerl>Twog: is it just me or is that pastebin blank?
19:46<robacarp>Yaakov: apparently I will have to do some more reading on reverse dns
19:46<Twog>akerl: it shouldnt be blank, but let me reupload the contents
19:48<Yaakov>robacarp: It's pretty trivial...
19:48<Yaakov>robacarp: Set the forward record to resolve, and make sure it has time to propagate. Go to... hrm... weherever the reverse lives on the Linode control panel now... and it will offer that name as an option.
19:49<akerl>Remote Access, under your public IP?
19:49<robacarp>do I have to setup anything besides an A record on my host?
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19:49<robacarp>the linode rdns screen hasn't asked me, and the A record has been up for several months now...
19:50<akerl>asked you? What does it say when you try to set the new rdns?
19:51<robacarp>akerl: it doesn't give you the option to just set it...when it finds what it needs it has a popup which offers to make the change.
19:51<Yaakov>robacarp: Do the forward lookup and it will ask.
19:51<akerl>robacarp: what are you talking about?..
19:51<Yaakov>robacarp: In the "Perform a forward lookup" box.
19:51*robacarp facepalm
19:52<robacarp>HAVE NO FEAR! its all done now.
19:52<Yaakov>It's not so obvious, I think.
19:52<Yaakov>But it works very nicely.
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19:52<robacarp>Yaakov: what would I do without you?
19:52<Yaakov>robacarp: Probably pretty well...
19:52<Yaakov>robacarp: But I am glad I can help.
19:58*robacarp waits for TTL
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20:00<all_r>hey, is there anybody here that is good with with apache rewriting and can take a look at this question please :)
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20:38<seanh-ansca>what's the max expected throughput between two nodes on the private network?
20:38<bob2>over 9000KB/s
20:38<deejoe_>African, or European?
20:39<@caker>seanh-ansca: the outbound rate on your Linode's network interface (by default, 50Mbit/sec)
20:39<seanh-ansca>caker: is there a way to get that raised?
20:40<@caker>seanh-ansca: ticket .. we just ask for a little reasoning for it, along with your request
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20:40<seanh-ansca>i don't need the public bandwidth to be any higher, but having internal be faster would be awesome (running gluster between a few machines)
20:40<seanh-ansca>sure, no problem
20:43<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Manager Request in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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20:45<seanh-ansca>ok, submitted. what's the normal turn around time on tickets? i've never needed to file one before :)
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20:47<bob2>median is -4s
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20:50<@array>seanh-ansca: you're all set :)
20:51<mshuler><5 min start to finish. bueno.
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20:51<seanh-ansca>array: awesome, what service
20:52<GLaDOSDan>I hate linode's support
20:52<GLaDOSDan>It makes me mad whenever I file a ticket anywhere else and don't get a reply in < 5 minutes
20:52-!-mode/#linode [+o stan_theman] by array
20:52<jkwood>I do believe your aggression is misplaced.
20:52*stan_theman flexes
20:53*jkwood flexes
20:53<akerl>I wanna flex too!
20:53<jkwood>Huh. I figured that would work.
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20:56<seanh-ansca>it even tests out to a double in bandwidth, amazing :-p
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20:57<HoopyCat>(the reboot is required so they can mount your filesystem and patch your test tools)
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20:59<linbot>New news from forums: Setup for a linode 512 with a Forum in Performance and Tuning <>
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21:14<GLaDOSDan>I agree.
21:15<Logan>who would i talk with about account support?
21:15<JshWright>seanh-ansca: the cap is on the interface as a whole, since the private ip is an interface on eth0, the cap isn't "just" on either interface
21:15<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:16<JshWright>Logan: a ticket will get you a response in more constant time
21:16<Logan>JshWright Thank you i'll try that :)
21:16<seanh-ansca>JshWright: i see that now, i don't mind the whole interface being turned up, i just only `need` the internal one to be faster
21:18<JshWright>Logan: if it isn't something specific to your account, the community here can be pretty helpful as well
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21:19<JshWright>seanh-ansca: aside from the cap, the private network is very fast
21:19<Logan>JshWright i've got a 'pending activation' account, even tough i've received the payment receipt trough email. I know it can take some time, but i got an error while finishing the sing up process, and just wished to know if everything is ok
21:19<Logan>Can't logf on tickets system for that reason too, just tryed
21:20<JshWright>Logan: yep... no tickets without an account... is probably the way to go
21:20<Logan>Nice chat interface btw, but i myust say it gets a lil messed up in firefox 4
21:20<Logan>like a damn bar above the line i'm typing :P
21:20<JshWright>Logan: it's just an IRC channel... the web interface is pretty horrible IMO ;)
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21:20<jkwood>Yeah, webchat sucks.
21:20<Logan>I'll go trough support then. Thanks for help :)
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21:21*tonyyarusso finds it amusing that everybody hates webchat, but most love webmail
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21:21<JshWright>tonyyarusso: why is that amusing?
21:21<jkwood>tonyyarusso: Webchat in and of itself doesn't suck. The Linode webchat (and most webchats) do(es).
21:21<tonyyarusso>JshWright: Similar functions, yet one was done well, and the other quite the opposite.
21:22<jkwood>Mibbit is actually quite darn nice.
21:22<tjfontaine_>webchat will be better when they adopt my changes
21:22<tonyyarusso>When a webchat provider starts supporting irssi scripts, then I'll become rather intrigued.
21:22<tjfontaine_>tonyyarusso: I can do you better
21:22<JshWright>tjfontaine_: javascript is a fad
21:22<JshWright>(and nice tail...)
21:23<tjfontaine_>tonyyarusso: I'm talking to you from jqueryui+irssi_script
21:23<tjfontaine_>jshwright: thanks :D
21:23<tonyyarusso>tjfontaine_: orly?
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21:24<tjfontaine_> I'm not a designer guy, but this is from yesterday
21:24<tonyyarusso>not too shabby
21:24<waltman>Is that running in a browser window?
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21:25<tonyyarusso>tjfontaine_: does alt-num still work to switch channels? Are the colors CSS-themable?
21:25<waltman>and will it run on my iphone? :)
21:26<tjfontaine_>tonyyarusso: not yet, but both of those are "soon"
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21:26<tonyyarusso>tjfontaine_: All right. Let me know ;)
21:26<tjfontaine_>is what I've done so far
21:28<tonyyarusso>tjfontaine_: While you're at it, this is a plain curiosity question: Would it be possible to make a read-only version, eg. a page that automatically connects to a particular server/channel and has no text box? (pondering whether this could be useful for other things)
21:28<tonyyarusso>Obviously you can +q users, but I mean on the UI side.
21:29<JshWright>tonyyarusso: sure (I think he actually did that already as a proof-of-concept)
21:29<tonyyarusso>Oooooh, excellent.
21:29<tjfontaine>sure, there's no reason it couldn't be readonly
21:29<tonyyarusso>Will all of this code be public, or is some of this meant to be Linode-internal?
21:30<tjfontaine>I just showed you the github url :)
21:30<tonyyarusso>'k - I haven't been able to go through the tree to see what all is and isn't there yet
21:30<tjfontaine>there's the perl script, and an example client
21:31<tjfontaine>I'm hoping to keep the events generic enough that I can make a real ios app
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21:58<tjfontaine>amitz: the point is anything could make a "cloudy" client regardless
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22:01<amitz>tjfontaine: is this like a middleware between a generic IRC server and an IRC client? It'll be nice if this can become a standard for all IRC servers in existence ;-)
22:01<linbot>New news from forums: Almost a Linode Customer. in General Discussion <>
22:02<amitz>s/an IRC client/a neater IRC client that talks on terms of API/
22:02<tjfontaine>amitz: I have websocket code for ircd, but this specifically for a separate irssi gui
22:04<amitz>oh? I guess this is something you just announced or I just noticed you announced.
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22:39<karstensrage>so ive been playing around with nds
22:40<karstensrage>and it seems to put forth all the same stuff my current dns puts forthe
22:40<karstensrage>except for "additional records"
22:40<karstensrage>what is making my dns and ns[1-6] respond with additional records?
22:41<HoopyCat>optimism and chivalry
22:41<GLaDOSDan>There's ns6 now?
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22:42<bob2>seems not
22:42<bob2>guess it was a closed-open range
22:42<karstensrage>oh maybe 1-4
22:42<karstensrage>or 1-5
22:43<HoopyCat>0 < n < 6, for integer n
22:43<Kyhwana_>tjfontaine: hmm. You could probably.. ok nvm, you're using irssi proxy, which is what I was going to suggest :P
22:43<karstensrage>HoopyCat, is dns churning in the background coming up with additional records to serve up
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22:45*Kyhwana_ hmms at the latest forum post
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22:51<tjfontaine>Kyhwana_: no, I'm not using the irssi proxy
22:51<HoopyCat>karstensrage: if it's a query like 'dig mx', it will tend to include A records for the MX if and only if it is authorative for those domains too. this'll mostly come into play with NS records.
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22:51<tjfontaine>Kyhwana_: the default irssi proxy is bound per server and repeats only new commands, and there are only evil hacks to get scrollbacks
22:51<Kyhwana_>ahh ok
22:51<tjfontaine>Kyhwana_: this binds to the gui itself and that's how it represents its state
22:52<Kyhwana_>It is kind of annoying having to open connectbot, ssh in, reattach, etcetc
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22:52<tjfontaine>yes, this is not that, this is to avoid doing that
22:52<GLaDOSDan>We're talking IRC bouncers right?
22:52<HoopyCat>karstensrage: nsd will do this too... try 'dig mx'... also compare with ' ns' and with
22:53<Kyhwana_>GLaDOSDan: sort of, but for the iphone, since it doesn't have real multi-tasking. ;)
22:53<tjfontaine>GLaDOSDan: we're talking about another frontend for irssi
22:53<GLaDOSDan><3 ZNC
22:55<karstensrage>HoopyCat, do you have framboise running nsd and slaving to linode?
22:55<HoopyCat>i love timbits, too, but they don't run on an iphone
22:56<SleePy>"Timbits is the brand name of bite-sized doughnut balls sold at the Canadian-based franchise Tim Hortons"
22:56<HoopyCat>karstensrage: for, framboise (or, more accurately, is a slave of linode
22:58<HoopyCat>karstensrage: it is authorative for and; you might note that BIND (or whatever linode is running) will include additionals from other zones, but nsd doesn't seem to do so
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22:59<HoopyCat>karstensrage: i'm reasonably sure modern resolvers ignore cross-zone additionals, for cache poisoning reasons... hence "optimism and chivalry"
23:00<The_PHP_Jedi>Hi all. :)
23:00<vraa_>does linode allow running of a bitcoin node (not a bitcoin miner?)
23:00<amitz>vraa_: but why won't it?
23:01<vraa_>i was just curious, someone said that his bitcoin node took up his 1000gb bandwidth vps (but i assume he had something misconfigured)
23:02<The_PHP_Jedi>That does seem out of bounds...
23:02<Kyhwana_>vraa_: well, if you use up all your traffic allocation and go over the softcap, you'll just get charged the overage :)
23:02<Kyhwana_>nothing in the tos against that, I don't think
23:03<HoopyCat>vraa_: chewing lots of CPU by generating coins may be frowned upon, but as far as running a plain ol' node goes, it probably isn't a technical problem
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23:03<The_PHP_Jedi>yeah, afaik, as long as it's legal and doesn't affect other instances negatively, it's fine.
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23:04<vraa_>yeah not generating coins, that's definitely a CPU hog
23:04<vraa_>yeah i'm just wondering what kinda bandwidth it uses
23:04<vraa_>especially thinking about just running plain, not even as a node, to keep my wallet lol
23:04<HoopyCat>vraa_: if your government raids linode to obtain your address so they can extraordinarily rendidite you for treasonous currency transactions, that would probably be against the TOS, but you'll probably have bigger problems than linode wanting a word with you
23:05<vraa_>lol what??
23:06<HoopyCat>vraa_: i've downloaded bitcoin but haven't fired it up yet, but from what i know, it shouldn't be THAT bandwidth intensive. people are expected to use it on realistic home internet connections, after all
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23:07<amitz>vraa_: some governments may forbid you from running bitcoin now or in the future. When that happens... oh well -_-
23:07<Kyhwana_>vraa_: why not fire it up and just watch your BW usage for a while
23:07<The_PHP_Jedi>Hm. Why in the world would my DNS zones not return the correct data. I must have something misconfigured (again). :/
23:08<vraa_>yeah i am thinking about it, but definitely now i am scared
23:08<vraa_>i never thought about it that way
23:08<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: either that, or there is some sort of technical problem that is, somehow, only affecting you ;-)
23:09*amitz reads about conditional sentence again...
23:09<The_PHP_Jedi>HoopyCat: considering my previous history with DNS, I'll go with "I fucked up again". ;)
23:10<HoopyCat>vraa_: for what it's worth, i would feel comfortable running bitcoin
23:11<vraa_>HoopyCat, do you?
23:12<The_PHP_Jedi>I just transfered my DNS records over to Linode yesterday, and made sure they were serving all the correct data (by polling the Linode NS servers directly). Afterwards, I changed the A records for ns*.mydomain.tld (which are the NS servers all my other domains use) to Linode's NS's IP addresses. So the A records over at my old provider are pointing to the new A records (which in turn point to a new NS server), which should mean that all DNS requests
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23:12<The_PHP_Jedi>However, they're not. :/ a DNS record I created on Linode's NS doesn't resolve.
23:12*The_PHP_Jedi clearly fails at DNS.
23:12<HoopyCat>vraa_: no; i first heard of it over the weekend, read about it, and downloaded it, but haven't installed it yet
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23:13<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: can we try it?
23:15<The_PHP_Jedi>HoopyCat: Sure. iirc from last night, (A) should resolve to Linode's NS's IP: If so, should point somewhere instead of being NXDOMAIN'd.
23:15<JshWright>speaking of DNS... where'd mine just go?
23:15<JshWright>it's back now
23:16<The_PHP_Jedi>JshWright: Small warps in the Time-Space Continuum.
23:16<The_PHP_Jedi>or as most geeks call it, awful routing which leads to packet drops.
23:16*The_PHP_Jedi curses his university network
23:16<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, ...err, doesn't really matter
23:17<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, it's the whois data that's important
23:17<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: reports is, ns2 is, and ns3 is; the TTL is 172800 seconds.
23:17<The_PHP_Jedi>mDuff: it does if I'm pointing all my domain's NS to instead of ns1.provider.tld (previously Slicehost, now Linode)
23:17<mDuff>...that's not necessarily a really good idea...
23:18<vraa_>is it possible to put a bitcoin application within it's own vm?
23:18<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: "dig +trace" will simulate a resolver with empty cache trying to resolve the record
23:18<vraa_>or maybe that's chrooting?
23:18<The_PHP_Jedi>mDuff: It works for cases like these when I migrate. :) Makes it much easier to update one NS record rather than all of them in all my domains.
23:18<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: how long ago did you tell your registrar to update your glue records?
23:18<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, that's assuming you _can_ update it -- some cases where you have a need to migrate quickly are ones where you can't do that.
23:18<@caker>mmm, glue
23:19<Jamie-Dolan>Is a registered name server?
23:19<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, ...I mean, having it defined in a domain you control is a good thing. Having it defined in _the same domain_ sets up some unfortunate corner cases.
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23:19<HoopyCat>Jamie-Dolan: yes, 172800 IN A
23:20<The_PHP_Jedi>HoopyCat: Registrar (NameCheap) has pointed to for years. And as of yesterday, Slicehost's records point to Linode's (and Linode's to Linode's as well)
23:20<The_PHP_Jedi>mDuff: Yeah. I'm just hoping it's just TTL being a PITA.
23:20<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, it's like having your emergency contact email with the registrar being in the same domain.
23:20<The_PHP_Jedi>Jamie-Dolan: Has been for years, yep.
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23:20<The_PHP_Jedi>mDuff: Touché.
23:20<dcraig>what isn’t working right?
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23:21<mDuff>The_PHP_Jedi, ...if they NEED to use the emergency contact, it may be because the domain is down (court order, billing issue, who knows)...
23:21<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig (and others): So NameCheap -> A record for = -> new DNS records at Linode (instead of Slicehost). However, I'm not getting any updated records from Linode.
23:21<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: i want to know about "". i ask the .com nameservers who to ask to. they tell me, et al. at that point, i don't care that says is; i'm asking about, right? :-)
23:22<The_PHP_Jedi>ah, HoopyCat, you might have lit up a lightbulb
23:22<The_PHP_Jedi>hold on, gf is angry
23:23<dcraig>The_PHP_Jedi, you’re still using slicehost’s nameservers
23:23<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: glue records exist at * for ns*; these will override anything you put in your zone(*), and need to be updated
23:23<dcraig>you need to make a change at namecheap
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23:24<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig: Yeah, just realized that NameCheap has IP addresses (hence Slicehost's) instead of FQDN.
23:24<dcraig>they have to have IP addresses
23:24<The_PHP_Jedi>Thanks HoopyCat and dcraig. I missed this step when I migrated DNS to Slicehost too :P
23:24<The_PHP_Jedi>Yeah, for whatever reason I had in might that they were ns[1-3]
23:24<HoopyCat>(*) murphy's law states that any possible disagreement between the glue and the zone will be resolved in the worst possible way
23:24<niftylettuce>did smone msgm e?
23:24<niftylettuce>msg me*?
23:24<dcraig>why can’t you just use
23:25<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig: much easier than updating all records across domains, as I said
23:25<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: clearly it isn't ;-)
23:25<The_PHP_Jedi>HoopyCat: It isn't when I forget a crucial step ;)
23:25<dcraig>how is it easier?
23:26<JshWright>niftylettuce: I didn't message you
23:26<HoopyCat>dcraig: it can be handy when all applicable domains aren't under a unified administrative control
23:26<HoopyCat>dcraig: roughly the same sort of situation where one might use a CNAME
23:26<dcraig>oh ok
23:26<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig: has as NS records -- therefore, if I change (NS) to a new DNS provider (such as Slicehost to Linode), I just make one change at the registrar instead of *each* domain record
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23:27<The_PHP_Jedi>(although I could arguably do that with scripts and APIs, but w/e)
23:27<HoopyCat>if they're all under the same administrative control, of course, it's just click, click, done
23:27<niftylettuce>JshWright, lol ty
23:27<HoopyCat>unless you're using amazon R53, in which case every single mfcking zone has different mfcking nameservers
23:28<The_PHP_Jedi>I welcome my new Linode DNS server overlords to control my DNS zones. Buahahaha.
23:28<HoopyCat>i could ask "how can you take something so SIMPLE and make it SO GOD DAMNED COMPLEX?!" but this isn't AWS Community Support
23:28<dcraig>which 3 linode nameservers did you pick?
23:29<The_PHP_Jedi>ns[1-3] respectively.
23:29<dcraig>I dunno, man... I’d do west coast, east coast, and london
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23:30<bob2>include ns5
23:30<bob2>don't shadow them that is teh lame
23:30<The_PHP_Jedi>Good call, dcraig. Slicehost only has 3, so was used to that :P
23:30<The_PHP_Jedi>bob2: It's just to save myself some hassle. :)
23:30<vasuadiga>just resized my linode - need help with mysql and apache tuning
23:30<vasuadiga>mysql eating >100% cpu after resize
23:30<bob2>The_PHP_Jedi: until linode renumbers a nameserver and you're boned
23:31<vasuadiga>anyone please help this linux noob
23:31<dcraig>I wouldn’t expand beyond 3 nameservers... what if your next dns provider only has 2 nameservers?
23:31<The_PHP_Jedi>bob2: That's why there's redundancy, and Linode does announce when they change NS server IPs, right? (Slicehost changed them once)
23:31<bob2>The_PHP_Jedi: they do not
23:31<bob2>again, shadowing them is teh lame
23:31<The_PHP_Jedi>Either way, I often check if the records match
23:31<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: what is mysql doing? (show processlist, show status)
23:32<vasuadiga>I ran this command
23:32<vasuadiga>ps -eo pmem,pcpu,rss,vsize,args | sort -k 1 -r | less
23:32<vasuadiga>and its shows mysql at more than 90% all the time
23:32<HoopyCat>The_PHP_Jedi: i don't think linode has ever changed them, but i probably wouldn't otherwise know...
23:32<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: what is mysql doing? (show processlist, show status)
23:33<vasuadiga>hoopycat: how can I find that out?
23:33<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: "show processlist", "show status"
23:37<vasuadiga>hoopycat: I see a whole lot of info...which one specifically should I be looking at
23:38<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: the one that looks abnormal. if in doubt, :-)
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23:41<vasuadiga>hoopycat: this is dump of phpmyadmin
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23:42<vasuadiga>@hoopycat second one is show status
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23:45*The_PHP_Jedi dcraig: What's the West Coast NS server? There's which is serviced by Hurricane Electric, which has its HQ in Fremont, CA, but the IP addr seem to be in Tennesee from what I can tell.
23:45<The_PHP_Jedi>Closest to West Coast is ns1, Dallas, TX.
23:45*The_PHP_Jedi wonders why I wrote /me before the previous line
23:46<jkwood>ns2 should be in Fremont, considering it's on a Linode.
23:46<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: you've got a lot of queries sitting around taking a long time there
23:46<dcraig>from what you can tell?
23:46<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig: Crappy traceroutes from college network in NYC.
23:46<dcraig>1 = dallas, 2 = fremont, 3 = atlanta, 4 = newark, 5 = london
23:46<vasuadiga>hoopycat: for example?
23:47<The_PHP_Jedi>draig: Thanks. :) Wonder why ns2 appeared to be in Tennessee
23:47<dcraig>I think your traceroute is broken
23:48<The_PHP_Jedi>My university's network is broken. :/
23:48<The_PHP_Jedi>Connection's been flakey as hell over the last week
23:48<HoopyCat>vasuadiga:, every line that has "Query" in the Command column; the "Time" is in seconds, and Status of "Locked" means they're blocking on some other query
23:48<The_PHP_Jedi>(in my dorm, at least)
23:48<dcraig>tell your roommates to stop downloading torrents
23:48<vasuadiga>time is seconds?
23:49<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: yes; The time in seconds that the thread has been in its current state.
23:49<@tasaro>there are no ip addresses in TN... geolocation databases are crap
23:49<HoopyCat>(from )
23:50<The_PHP_Jedi>tasaro: Yep.
23:50<The_PHP_Jedi>dcraig: Heh.
23:50<SelfishMan>vasuadiga: memcache is your friend
23:51<vasuadiga>I guess this is a case of index gone wrong
23:51<SelfishMan>tasaro: I recently had someone contact me to tell me that is where several of the Linode Atlanta blocks were located
23:51<vasuadiga>I am trying to rebuild the index
23:51<HoopyCat>vasuadiga: Kill 93 vadiga localhost newsitems Query 26 Updating UPDATE items SET VIEW_COUNT = VIEW_COUNT +1 WHERE BINARY ITEM_SHORT_ID = 'xN5Tx'
23:52<SelfishMan>vasuadiga: don't rebuild an index in mysql when there are queries pending against it or you risk corruption of the table
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23:52<SelfishMan>also, killing a task when updating the DB will certainly damage the table
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23:54<The_PHP_Jedi>Alright, updated all DNS records and registered name servers. Now it should all work sooner or later. :) Thanks guys
23:54<HoopyCat>using myisam or innodb? SelfishMan tends to use myisam, which is like hiring a brain surgeon from the laborers' union hall... but if you have a lot of brains, they are pretty fast and cheap
23:54<The_PHP_Jedi>A bit of jarring of the memory is often needed to resolve problems.
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23:55<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I use both heavily. innodb is less likely to fail but it does still have a habbit of failing when performing an index operation
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23:56<The_PHP_Jedi>Yep, resolves properly. Woohoo!
23:57<HoopyCat>i just wanted to simultaneously slam SelfishMan, MyISAM, and LIUNA for no good reason at all
23:57<bob2>which is good since innodb has no repair tool
23:57<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: you could have slammed mysql and phpmyadmin all in the same call
23:58<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: oh damn, i missed phpmyadmin... so it goes.
23:58<HoopyCat>bob2: it does too. 'drop database if exists' at the top of your mysqldump
23:58<bob2>more seriously I think you have to drop and recreate the indexes
23:58<bob2>which is ace
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23:59<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: laborers' international union. i shall say no more, for they work above me with cinderblocks
23:59<SelfishMan>bob2: it does if you use innodb_file_per_table
23:59<bob2>SelfishMan: is that a sensible option to use?
23:59<SelfishMan>bob2: yes. very sensible
23:59<The_PHP_Jedi>Alright, well, I'm off to sleep guys. I should be around a bit more often. I miss being on IRC. :)
23:59<SelfishMan>in fact, I consider it the only sane way to use innodb
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