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---Logopened Thu Mar 31 00:00:52 2011
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00:09<kapeels>can't I have a 256 MB ram linode ?
00:10<@heckman>kapeels: Smallest plan we offer is the Linode 512
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00:10<kapeels>heckman: hm.. i already have a 1024
00:10<kapeels>the problem is, I want a seperate machine to host my database server
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00:11<kapeels>i wish to split it 256 MB - 768 MB
00:11<pharaun>then 512 will do :)
00:11<pharaun>give you some headroom too
00:11<@heckman>Yeah, I'd pick a 512 and run a 64-bit OS too.
00:11<@heckman>We don't have Linodes with 256mb of memory.
00:11<ossurayynot>heckman: why 64-bit? (curious)
00:11<kapeels>pharaun: i have limited funds.. and the service isn't earning me anything
00:11<@heckman>64-bit is better for dbs
00:12<pharaun>heckman: er i would think that wouldn't matter till ~2 to 4gig and up vps (on the 64 for db)
00:12<chesty>one benchmark has shown mysql to run slightly faster on a linode 64 than a linode 32
00:12*ossurayynot should really get around to actually benchmarking the RAM difference between 32 and 64 sometime
00:12<ossurayynot>gah, stupid oftc
00:13<@heckman>pharaun: but when you upgrade to that point you need to redeploy.
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00:13<pharaun>heckman: fair enough
00:14<@pparadis>tonyyarusso: last set of benchmarks i looked at it varied between 15% to 20% extra memory for 64-bit. i don't recall the specific applications involved, though.
00:14<tonyyarusso>pparadis: that's probably close enough for me, thanks.
00:14<tonyyarusso>might be worth it. Not like I'm OOMing much at the moment.
00:15<@pparadis>that is a little like saying "i haven't died much recently" :)
00:15<pharaun>nice analogy! \o/
00:15<@pparadis>damn. i should have gone for a bad car analogy.
00:16<@pparadis>anyhow, nite all, i'm hitting the sack \o
00:16<chesty>say hello to urmom for me
00:16<@pparadis>but she's at your house...
00:16<pharaun>pparadis: o/
00:16*pparadis zZzZz
00:17<kapeels>i want to ask something that's not related to linode
00:17<kapeels>i hope that's okay..
00:17<@heckman>Mp5shooter does it all the time
00:17<@heckman>So I guess it's cool.
00:18<pharaun>as long as its reasonable its alright :)
00:18<kapeels>i need as much memory as I can to run as many instances of the "script" as I can
00:18<kapeels>I have mongodb
00:18<kapeels>it has 1.5M+ records
00:18<kapeels>and around 50+ active connections
00:19<kapeels>and 50 queries per second happen on it
00:20<kapeels>when I do free -m
00:21<kapeels>cache has 849 MB free
00:21<kapeels>but my PHP scripts crash as the actual "free memory" is just 21 MB
00:22<Ovron>have you allowed them to use more, via the php-ini directive?
00:22<kapeels>Ovron: yes..
00:22<kapeels>i limit the memory from inside the php script
00:22<kapeels>that's not a problem actually
00:22<kapeels>PHP thinks just 21 MB is free.. so all the processes crash
00:22<Ovron>you do have 849MB free RAM for your applications to use. Are you running anything special that limits RAM usage, like a special kernel?
00:22<kapeels>but as you can see 849 MB is actuall free
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00:23<kapeels>Ovron: no.. nothing special
00:23<chesty>does it need shm memmory like postgres?
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00:23<kapeels>chesty: shm? couldn't get you..
00:24<kapeels>now, I feel I should host my database somewhere else.. like mongohq.. which will take $15 for 2 GB database.. and I can downgrade to 768 MB linode..
00:24<Ovron>what error do you get from the php script that fails
00:24<kapeels>Ovron: the memory allocation failed error..
00:24<chesty>cat /proc/sys/kernel/shmall
00:25<kapeels>will hosting the database elsewhere, and running 50+ queries per second will increase my problems or minimize them?
00:25<kapeels>ie .. a remote database server
00:25<kapeels>chesty: 2097152
00:26<Ovron>the internet comes in to play then, and anything can happen, including alien abductions.
00:26<chesty>kapeels: that's what mine says, i have no idea what I'm talking about, but I believe it's possible to have free memory and not enough free shm memory
00:28<kapeels>chesty: shm memory? don't know about it.. googling didn't help.. any heplful links?
00:28<@heckman>Also, bandwidth overages
00:28<kapeels>heckman: yes..
00:28<Ovron>shm, shared map - unlikely it would be this I *think*
00:29<chesty>Ovron: i have no idea, I know posgres likes it, mysql doesn't care
00:29<Ovron>chesty: wouldn't postgres use it for IPC?
00:29<chesty>i don't know
00:29<kapeels>I'm on mongo btw..
00:30<Ovron>chesty: yeah, did a quick googling and people seem to have problems with shm and postgres, and it is related to IpcMemoryCreate
00:30<Ovron>so I guess it uses it for inter-process communication between master/workers
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00:34<randallman>shm? on linux? shows up as cached... So I suppose that has all sorts of ramifications
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00:52<kapeels>is linode-linode transfer counted?
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00:52<kapeels>under bandwidth..
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00:53<Ovron>kapeels: not within the same datacenter, if you use the private network
00:54<kapeels>Ovron: phew.. yeah.. I'll use same datacenter
00:54<kapeels>but, how do I use private network?
00:54<Ovron>!library private network
00:54<linbot>Ovron: 1. Linux Static IP Configuration ( - 2. Linode Networking Guides ( - 3. Social Networking with Elgg on Debian 5 (Lenny) (
00:55<Ovron>well, almost. There's a guide for it I think. Hold on.
00:55<Ovron>ah so it was :)
00:55<kapeels>ok.. looks like I will have two linodes now..
00:55<amitz>smaller sized HD (2.5") means less power consumption in average, right?
00:55<amitz>sorry, wrong channel -_-
00:57<kapeels>I think I should run my "scripts" on a 768 linode and main website and database on a 512 linode..
00:58<karstensrage>what kind of scripts?
00:58<Ovron>If I had anything important running on linode, I would split the database and webapp as the first step, and possibly get a third linode as a "tools" server - or run it on the webserver if possible.
01:00<karstensrage>i have something important running on a 768 with db and web and some other services on a 512 with a staging env.
01:00<kapeels>Ovron: I'd have done that.. only if 256 MB linodes were available
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01:03<kapeels>private network.. has it something to do with "Private IPs" under "Remote Access" ?
01:04<Ovron>it has indeed
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01:09<kapeels>ok.. I will have a linode with mongodb and nginx on it.. another linode.. which will have the "scripts", which will need to access the database server.. so I should add a "private IP" for the first linode,right?
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01:10<Ovron>both need one to be able to use the private networ
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01:19<SpoonTooBig>Hey - quick iptables question, if anyone has a sec.
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01:20<SpoonTooBig> If you have a user chain that a packet is traversing and there's no match, it basically jumps back to the superior chain, right? As if there were a RETURN at the end of the user chain.
01:20<SpoonTooBig>Just trying to figure out if I need to end all my user chain with an extra -j RETURN rule. I get the impression that this is not the case, but confirmation from those better informed than I is always helpful :)
01:28<kapeels>where can I find
01:29<@pparadis>SpoonTooBig: indicates that traversal will continue in the parent chain.
01:30<SpoonTooBig>Ah, sweet. just what I was looking for "the end of the chain is reached; traversal either continues in the parent chain (as if RETURN was used)"
01:30<SpoonTooBig>thanks a lot, pparadis!
01:35<SpoonTooBig>Kapeels, just a guess since I don't know what the page you were linking to contained, but if you log into your linode account via the web manager interface, click your linode, then click the remote access tab, perhaps you'll find what you need?
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01:35<SpoonTooBig>There's an "Add a Private IP" link here. Again, not sure if that is what you needed
01:35<SpoonTooBig>but possibly worth a shot
01:35<SpoonTooBig>er.. here = there
01:36<kapeels>SpoonTooBig: yeah.. I knew that.. I was looking for guide that'd help me setup private lan ..
01:36<kapeels> isn't making much sense to me
01:36<kapeels>since I am new to networking..
01:37<SpoonTooBig>ahh. I'm afraid I can't help you much on that end. I'm very much new to this as well. Best of luck though
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01:45<kapeels>clicking on Add a private IP restarts my linode immediately?
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01:50<@pparadis>kapeels: in order to use a new IP address, either public or private, you must reboot.
01:51<@pparadis>kapeels: and the guide you linked to is exactly the one you need to follow.
01:52<niftylettuce>phil paradis!
01:52<@pparadis>examples are provided for each distro. please pay attention to the subnet mask for private IPs.
01:52<niftylettuce>pparadis, wwidwopp
01:52<@pparadis>it is "" for private IPs.
01:52<@pparadis>niftylettuce: \o
01:52<niftylettuce>pparadis, :)
01:52<kapeels>oh :)
01:53<kapeels>I want to network two lindo
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01:53<kapeels>so I am wondering how should I relate the tutorial with my situation
01:54<@pparadis>kapeels: it's very simple. what distro are you using?
01:54<kapeels>should I just follow the guide and do as directed on both the linodes?
01:54<@pparadis>yes, you should.
01:54<@pparadis>both linodes must have a private IP address configured to communicate over the private network.
01:56<kapeels>pparadis: Both of them have Fedora..
01:57<@pparadis>your public ip will go in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
01:57<@pparadis>your private ip will go in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0
01:58<@pparadis>(for each linode)
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02:03<kapeels>so I follow that part of the tutorial on both the linodes.. ok
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02:05<kapeels>I need to manually reboot after I add a private ip?
02:08<linbot>New news from forums: Diagnostics of website failure for only some users in General Discussion <>
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02:11<kapeels>I have added private IPs in both the linodes.. do I need to reboot now(the website is live)? or can I do it after I finish configuration?
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02:16<chesty>kapeels: you can do it when you like
02:17<kapeels>quick question-
02:17<kapeels>for the second file
02:17<kapeels>and the first file
02:17<kapeels>the IPADDR values are distinct
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02:19<chesty>yes, notice the second is eth0:0 and the first eth0
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02:22<kapeels_>was disconnected.. did anybody say anything?
02:22<chesty>yes, notice the second is eth0:0 and the first eth0
02:23<kapeels_>so my private IP goes in eth0:1 and public in eth0:0
02:24<chesty>if you have one public ip, put it in eth0 and private in eth0:0
02:24<chesty>the eth0:0 doesn't really matter, it could be eth0:1
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02:24<kapeels_>ok.. got it..
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02:29<capitan>someone talk to me please
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02:31<kapeels_>how do I check if I have successfully setup a private network? captain
02:32<kapeels_>* capitan ^
02:32<kapeels_>sorry :P
02:32<capitan>it DOES work! :)
02:32<capitan>thanks kapeels_
02:33<capitan>let me explain... someone in #xchat answered one of my lifelong questions...
02:34<capitan>got tired of asking a question in a chan and it falling off my silly little scroll buffer
02:34<praetorian>oh, hilights in another window? I do that already with irssi :-)
02:34<capitan>sorry about the off-topickiness :)
02:34<capitan>no the highlighting xchat already does
02:35<@pparadis>kapeels_: try pinging the private IP of a linode from the other linode.
02:35<praetorian>capitan: no i get what you mean :)
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02:36<capitan>praetorian, ah. i read too fast :-S
02:37<chesty>praetorian writes very slow, so you have to read it slow to make any sense of it
02:38<capitan>chesty, yes... i didn't understand the forty-two? message... then i read it slowly... four... two... question mark... NOW i get it :P
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02:38<praetorian>if you didn't get 42, you haven't lived.
02:39<capitan>:( i wanna live
02:39<praetorian>Life, The universe and everything.
02:40<kapeels_>pparadis: ping failed ..
02:40<kapeels_>just did service network restart
02:40<kapeels_>and got this :
02:41<Ovron>did you reboot?
02:42<kapeels_>Ovron: yes, I did.d
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02:43<chesty>kapeels_: ip ro
02:43<chesty>kapeels_: both machines?
02:43<kapeels_>chesty: p.linode ?
02:44<kapeels_>chesty: second -
02:44<kapeels_>chesty: first -
02:45<chesty>kapeels_: you rebooted both?
02:45<kapeels_>chesty: yep
02:45<chesty>kapeels_: then it's likely your firewall
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02:48<kapeels_>chesty: what should be done?
02:48<chesty>kapeels_: pastbin iptables -nvL
02:49<kapeels_>chesty: -bash: pastbin: command not found
02:49<kapeels_>heh.. kiddin' :P
02:50<kapeels_>chesty: second -
02:50<Captain_Intern>capitan, here again!
02:50<Captain_Intern>capitan, ugh!
02:50<kapeels_>chesty: first -
02:50<Captain_Intern>capitan, :P Night stalker.
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02:51<chesty>kapeels_: it's not your firewall, you don't have one
02:51<kapeels_>chesty: yep..
02:51<chesty>what is the ouput of the ping command?
02:52<kapeels_>Destination Host Unreachable
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02:53<chesty>and did you reboot after you added the ip in the web control panel?
02:54<kapeels_>i first added the private IPs in both linodes
02:54<kapeels_>then did the config
02:54<kapeels_>and restart..
02:54<Ovron>restart what?
02:54<Ovron>did you *reboot* the linodes, or restart networking?
02:54<kapeels_>reboot both the linodes from manager
02:54<chesty>kapeels_: i'm out of ideas
02:55<kapeels_>pparadis: Help!
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02:57<@pparadis>kapeels_: pastebin the network configs from both linodes here so people can look at them -->
03:01<kapeels_>second -
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03:03<kapeels_>first -
03:03<kapeels_>chesty Ovron pparadis: ^
03:03<@pparadis>okay, so what's the problem?
03:03<@pparadis>you can't ping one private IP from the other?
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03:04<@pparadis>did you restart networking on both linodes after updating the networking config files?
03:04<kapeels_>pparadis: yes, yes.
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03:04<@pparadis>what DC are these in?
03:04<@pparadis>they're both in Fremont, right?
03:05<StevenK>What does 'ip r g' on second linode print out?
03:05<@pparadis>i can ping the first linode's private IP from Fremont.
03:05<@pparadis> that is.
03:06<@pparadis>however, i cannot ping the second Linode's private IP.
03:06*StevenK confirms pparadis' findings
03:06<@pparadis>kapeels_: double check the second linode?
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03:06<kapeels_>pparadis: hm.. just created this one
03:07<Ovron>are you sure you rebooted both? :p
03:07<chesty>just reboot it again, see what happens
03:07<kapeels_>StevenK; dev eth0 src
03:07<@pparadis>kapeels_: bro, are you _sure_ you rebooted the second linode?
03:07<kapeels_> cache expires 21334314sec
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03:07<@pparadis>kapeels_: basically, i'm telling you that you didn't.
03:08<Ovron>did you cheat pparadis? :p
03:08<@pparadis>well, since i know where the packets are trying to go, yep :)
03:08<kapeels_>thank you guys!
03:08<kapeels_>and sorry!
03:09<kapeels_>especially Ovron :D
03:09<chesty>that will be $100 for pain and suffering
03:09<StevenK>And extra $20 for misery
03:09<Ovron>kapeels_: ;)
03:09<kapeels_>0.261 ms.. this is insane!
03:10<Ovron>this is... LINODIA.
03:11<@pparadis>if you add -ftl to your pings, you'll even get negative values.
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03:12<StevenK>pparadis: But both -t and -l require arguments?
03:12<@pparadis>lengthy arguments, mostly with guys from the physics department.
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03:14<nza>phyber: this is my irssi
03:14<nza>there are many like it
03:14<nza>but this one is mine
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03:19<Mystara>I seem to be getting packet loss to the London data centre. Known problem?
03:19<Jippi_mac>I experience this too
03:19<Jippi_mac>my servers is jumping on and off :)
03:20<Mystara>Seems to have been happening frequently, quite recently
03:20<dominikh>hm, I am not experiencing any problems with London right now
03:20<dominikh>chatting from a London box actually
03:20<Mystara>On linode?
03:21<Ovron>same here, nothing
03:21<dcraig>our london irc server split from our dallas irc server 3 min ago
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03:21<Mystara>Traceroute indicates the problem is at telecity:
03:21<Mystara>7 ( 20.596 ms * 20.398 ms
03:21<Mystara>8 ( 30.270 ms * *
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03:22<Jippi_mac>its seems to be only some servers
03:22<Jippi_mac>only ~50% of mine is jumping
03:22<Ovron> is doing ok from here; sweden
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03:25<dcraig>from fremont I see 76% packet loss at and from newark I see about 7% loss at
03:25<dcraig>which are the hops just before
03:25<dcraig>for both
03:26<Mystara>8 ( 30.270 ms * *
03:26<dominikh>be aware that telecity itself is rate limiting pings – so unless the hops after those also show packet loss, it's not a tc problem per se
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03:27<Mystara>The hops after those are showing packet loss on a traceroute
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03:27<dominikh>and well yeah, looks like it only affects routes to the USA
03:28<Ovron>europe #1 superior o/
03:28<dominikh>europe - by definition closer to London :P
03:28<Mystara>Well, I'm 50 miles from London and getting packet loss :P
03:28<dcraig>maybe you reach it via the US ;)
03:28<dominikh>did you open a ticket with Linode yet?
03:29<Mystara>No, thought I'd see whether it was just me or not
03:29<Ovron>I have a friend up north in sweden that was routed through amsterdam to new york to paris for the EU WoW servers few years ago - kept on happening for months.
03:30<dominikh>at least they avoided china :o
03:31<linbot>New news from forums: Become an internal cPanel license reseller in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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03:33<Ovron>thread necromancy \o/
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03:35<kapeels_>i need to boot after resizing?
03:35<dcraig>I would think so
03:36<marius>You'd at least have to shut down before resizing
03:37<dominikh>nobody forces you to boot it back up after resizing though :)
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03:39<batance>Need some help with Apache rewrite rules/cond. I had posed the same question a few hours ago but had to step out. I am forcing http to https with the following rule/cond set:
03:40<batance>RewriteCond %{HTTPS} off
03:40<batance>RewriteRule (.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}
03:40<batance>I would like to include a clean URL rewrite rule as well:
03:40<batance>RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^(/index\.php|/img|/js|/css|/robots\.txt|/favicon\.ico)
03:40<batance>RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /index.php/$1 [L]
03:42<batance>If I have both these rewrites enabled, a) I am not forcing http to https.
03:42<batance>b) I am getting clean URLS on http but not on https.
03:43<batance>Is there a way to have both these rewrites working to get this:
03:43<kapeels_>how do I find how much space is remaining on my linode? any handy command?
03:44<Void|work>df -h
03:44<batance>, all get rewritten to
03:45<batance>kapeels: I think your dashboard would display that info.?
03:47<Ovron>no, it wouldn't. The dashboard display the amounts that have been allocated to disk images from the available, not how much stuff they have on them.
03:47<batance>i see...
03:48<batance>sudo df -sh /
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03:49<dcraig>batance, the [L] prevents any rules below that one from being used
03:49<dcraig>you might also want to force an external redirect
03:49<dcraig>so end each RewriteRule with [L,R=301] for instance
03:49<kapeels_>thank you guys.. Void|work batance Ovron
03:49<dcraig>or if you don't want an external redirect, maybe remove the [L] completely
03:50<dcraig>or use [N] to force rules to be reevaluated from the start
03:50<batance>kapeels: sudo du -sh /
03:50<Ovron>I'd personally redirect to https as the first step, as you can't really do much during that same request anyway, since it is on http, and you want it https.
03:51<dcraig>if you got fancy, you could redirect to https and clean up the URL in just one redirect!
03:51<dcraig>but I dunno if that's necessary...
03:52<Ovron>hmm, but isn't he usin the rewrite internally to a router script?
03:52<Ovron>using *
03:52<dcraig>I dunno
03:52<dcraig>in that cause, don't use R=301 !!
03:52<dcraig><batance>, all get rewritten to
03:53<dcraig>that made it sound to me like he wanted the browser URL to change
03:53<Ovron>true, it does
03:53<batance>OK. It works now.
03:53<dcraig>what'd you do?
03:53<batance>I pulled the [L] rewrite below.
03:54<batance>followed your advice.
03:54<batance>thanks a ton.
03:54<dcraig>glad it's working
03:55<batance>dcraig: academic curiosity, can I get it working with just one rewrite?
03:55<batance>would that be any "better"?
03:56<dcraig>it would potentially get rid of the situation where you might redirect someone twice
03:57<dcraig>unclean http to unclean https, and then unclean https to clean https
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03:57<Ovron>that's still more than one rewrite, but could reduce it to one redirect, as you mentioned before. I *think* batance mixed up redirect and rewrite in his question.
03:58<dcraig>you could make the cleanup rule always redirect to https, and then have a second rule that catches any non https requests that are already "clean"
03:58<batance>ok. I will search a read a bit more. for now i was just looking to get it working real quick.
03:58<dcraig>don't give yourself too bad of a headache
03:59<dcraig>I always allow for breaks every 5 minutes when trying to do anything with mod_rewrite
04:00<batance>Would you suggest that I bother setting up nginx instead of apache?
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04:02<chesty>bad password
04:02<batance>Two kbds on two different n/w
04:03<dcraig>I don't have any experience with nginx
04:03<dcraig>I hear it's trendy
04:03<dcraig>I also hear it's popular to set it up as a sort of front-end to apache
04:03<batance>i see
04:03<chesty>yeah, then you can use mod_security
04:04<dcraig>it seems to me a lot of the memory issues with apache can be mitigated by switching from the prefork to the worker mpm
04:04<dcraig>but I'm no expert in apache performance tweaking
04:04<batance>I *think* I am already using the mpm
04:05<chesty>i didn't think php and mpm were compatible
04:05<dcraig>mod_php doesn't work with the worker mpm
04:05<dcraig>but you can use php-cgi
04:05<dcraig>with fcgid or something
04:06<Void|work>iirc, we use that here at work
04:06<dcraig>I switched from prefork to worker because of this silly ajax chat thing I host
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04:06<dcraig>each chat user ends up consuming an entire apache child process all to himself
04:07<dcraig>so if your apache process is 10 MB, that's like 10 MB of RAM taken up per user
04:07<dominikh>efficient chatting, eh
04:07<dcraig>incredibly so
04:07<batance>I would think thats a long solved problem?
04:07<dcraig>it can be solved by turning KeepAlives off
04:07<kapeels_>security concerns while transferring data over private lan?
04:07<dcraig>but then people complain that the chat is slow
04:09<dominikh>teach em IRC
04:09<dcraig>the ajax chat thing is really convenient though...
04:09<dcraig>you can have arbitrarily long line lenghts
04:09<dcraig>so we can paste our combat reports and stuff
04:09<dcraig>like a big pastebin in chat
04:10<dcraig>and you can embed pictures and stuff
04:10<dcraig>but yeah, it's certainly not winning any awards for efficiency
04:10<batance>I guess setting up a messaging system to work a jabber server and httpd together would be even more of a bitch.
04:11<dcraig>it uses a mysql db...
04:11<chesty>an irc client I once used used to display images and youtube, etc inside the chat window
04:12<batance>why the past tense?
04:12<dominikh>and a friend turned that feature off because of, well, the kind of images we used to post in a channel
04:12<chesty>like urmom
04:12<dominikh>oh he furiously enjoyed those
04:12<dcraig>there wasn't a width limit on the images?
04:12<dominikh>there wasn't a content filter :D
04:12<dominikh>and ye, mean joke
04:12<dominikh>not nice
04:12<dominikh>don't do that
04:13<dominikh>my mom reads all my chat logs, she'll be sad
04:13<chesty>that was an awesome urmom joke, hi urmom
04:13<dcraig>is that why she's running late?
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04:34<john_dee>What's the network speed of your instances and how much COU time do they get?
04:34<Void|work>fast and lots
04:35<john_dee>That'd be good if it wasn't not good enough. Numbers pls ;)
04:35<john_dee>For, say, Linode 4096
04:36<MrYiff>network is 50Mb by default but can be increased with a support ticket and a bit of justification
04:36<dominikh>all Linode sizes have the same CPU (while it can be argued that the bigger ones have less customers but those in turn usually use more CPU). outgoing network is capped at 50MBit/s, can be raised though if you have a reason
04:36<MrYiff>and you get 4 cpus
04:36<dominikh>oh and there is a 7 days money back thingy if I am not mistaken (don't quote me on it)
04:38<john_dee>What's the frequency of the cpus?
04:38<dcraig>a typical CPU is a Xeon L5420
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04:39<Ovron>the frequency tells you nothing unless you know what CPU it is.
04:39<Ovron>well, besides knowing what frequency it is.
04:39<dominikh>or a L5520 (@ 2.27GHz). it varies slightly between hosts
04:39<john_dee>So the instance, in theory, has 4x 2.27/2.5 cores?
04:40<john_dee>Sort of )
04:40<jargon->does anyone install a firewall on their linode? what firewall do u use?
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04:40<dcraig>I suppose people do all sorts of things
04:40<dcraig>I don't have much of a firewall
04:40<Ovron>most things will be some interface to iptables, I'd imagine
04:40<batance>iptables + ufw
04:41<batance>for something quick and dirty
04:41<jargon->i see
04:42<john_dee>Shorewall for something really dirty %)
04:42<MrYiff>iptables + arno's firewall script to configure it
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04:47<dcraig>people use these add-ons because the iptables commands themselves are rather cryptic?
04:48<@heckman>iptables makes my brain hurt
04:48<Ovron>that's what I figure, dcraig
04:48<dominikh>that's because a true viking is not afraid of a fire wall!
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04:48<dominikh>a pseudoviking, otoh...
04:49<Ovron>more like fakeviking!!!
04:49<dominikh>gave birth to me
04:51<jargon->john_dee: thinking of shorewall,too
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05:04<john_dee>jargon-: Ah. Well, avoid it ;)
05:04<john_dee>If you're still thinking %)
05:04<john_dee>It's only necessary on complex network setups
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05:22<jargon->john_dee: i see. well,for now i need to set up 2 plone instances on nginx
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05:23<jargon->was wondering if i should throw in a firewall too
05:23<batance>jargon: what are you trying to accomplish?
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05:23<dan>Do you do load balancing?
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05:27<jargon->batance: i'm trying to set up two plone sites
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05:30<batance>OK. Why do you think you need a firewall?
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05:33<dansaf>Do you do load balancing?
05:33<batance>OK. Assuming you have users logging in into your system, one way a firewall can be useful is to ban rogue IPs.
05:34<batance>But for that, you need to setup fail2ban or some such service that modifies your firewall rules on the fly.
05:34<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
05:34<batance>Non native English speaker here.
05:35<batance>I speak 5 languages. And one of them is a language isolate.
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05:46<axod>anyone seeing loss to TX?
05:47<axod>seeing around 10% here from UK linode -> TX linode
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05:48<axod>looks like some london issue maybe... 3. 71.9% 154 0.7 0.9 0.7 6.1 0.8
05:49<batance>File a ticket maybe?
05:49<axod>yeah I'll file an mtr if it doesn't solve itself soon
05:49<batance>Yeah...wake caker up.
05:51<dan>Do you do load balancing?
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05:51<batance>dan: what kind of load balancing? db or web server?
05:52<axod>yup.. it's not terrible, I just get a lot of emails saying "argh!"
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05:55<dan>web server
05:55<batance>scheisse///looks like I am getting some timeouts too.
05:57<jamied>Are their intermittent conductivity issues in Dallas?
05:57<batance>can't help you there. I might've been able to give some pointers on postgres db l/b.
05:57<dan>web server
05:58<axod>jamied: yes afaics
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05:59<jamied>Is their a ticket open?
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06:00<ran5000>hello, im trying to configure phpmyadmin on my nginx, where id my nginx.conf file: when i uncomment the server block all trfic headed to the domain get a screen saying "it works", any ideas what is wrong here?
06:00<axod>jamied: I just submitted one with an mtr,
06:01<axod>still seeing 16% loss or so here
06:01<jamied>Thank you. my external monitoring says we have been down three times this am
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06:03<axod>hrm seems to be getting worse as well
06:04<ran5000>hello, im trying to configure phpmyadmin on my nginx, here is my nginx.conf file: when i uncomment the server block all trfic headed to the domain get a screen saying "it works", any ideas what is wrong here?
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06:04<Ovron>you just said that, 4 minutes ago
06:04<ran5000>Ovron: fixed a few spelling mistakes...
06:05<dan>Can you have multiple physical servers?
06:05<dan>Or virtual servers on different physical servers?
06:06<dan>This would help with load balancing
06:06<axod>dan: the default is to have your vps's appear on different hardware
06:06<Ovron>dan: when you get a new linode in the same dc, it should be placed on a different host. You can see which host they get placed on, on the main dashboard page. I am sure if they happen to end up on the same, you can request one to be moved.
06:06<jamied>Dan: are you asking if you can have linodes on 2 different servers then yes
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06:07<dan>Ah ok thats good, because obviously there is only so much one machine can take, so just wondered if it was possible
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06:09*axod has a mental image of everyones VPSs running on one massive single mainframe
06:09<Ovron>the... CLOUD!
06:09<axod>it's gonna blow!!!
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06:12<kapeels>if I set the ip to be binded to my private ip, my mongodb won't be accessible from The Internet,right?
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06:14<kapeels>and, on the machine I have hosted it, I can use and it works .. cool!
06:16<axod>if you use your private IP afaik other ppl in the datacenter may be able to connect.... idk
06:16<axod> would be safer in that respect
06:16<kapeels>axod: not if I have authentication enabled :)
06:16<kapeels>and I need to transport data between two linodes..
06:17<Ovron>you should use some sort of tunneling, like openVPN. Or at least use a firewall to only allow connections from your other linodes.
06:17<kapeels>Ovron: yep.. gotta do that
06:17<axod>kapeels: of course... also firewall rule may be useful just incase
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06:18<kapeels>axod: actually.. i am not able to access it from where it is hosted
06:18<kapeels>ie localhost isn't working
06:18<kapeels>just my private IP is working now
06:18<kapeels>mongo doesn't allow multiple IP binding
06:18<Ovron>you need to bind it to as well, if you want it to be acessible over that too... oh, doesn't it.
06:19<kapeels>so I will have to use private IP where I hosted it
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06:19<kapeels>but this ain't good
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06:20<kapeels>I should be able to access it from where I have hosted it
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06:21<Ovron>if it really doesn't support binding to multiple interfaces by specifying them, you could let it bind to all by not specifying any, and firewall off the public interface for that port
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06:22<kapeels>Ovron: hmm.. neater than using private IP instead of localhost?
06:23<Ovron>practically it won't matter much either way
06:23<axod>just use 127.0.01 and ssh tunnel or something
06:24<kapeels>axod: how do I access it over private lan then?
06:25<axod>kapeels: ssh tunnel?
06:25<axod>ssh tunnel solves everything
06:25<kapeels>axod: hmm.. or I will have to ssh tunnel + firewall
06:26<kapeels>but gotta learn this first :D
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06:32<kapeels>tunneling stays even after reboot?
06:32<kapeels>axod: ^
06:33<Ovron>for ssh tunnels, if that is what you want to use, you could use autossh
06:33<kapeels>ah, i love you Ovron
06:37<nza>hold my life
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06:37<nza>until I am ready to use it
06:37<nza>because I JUST MIGHT LOSE IT
06:37<nza>because I JUST MIGHT LOSE IT
06:38<kapeels_>how can I use ssh tunnel? my linode1 has the database.. linode2 will be connecting .. linode1 is listening
06:38<kapeels_>so I tunnel from linode2?
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06:41<kapeels_>ssh -f root@LINODE2_IP -L 27017:LINODE2_IP:27017 -N
06:41<kapeels_>from linode 1?
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07:39<ioio>there are some "missing parts"in my linode's graphs, i am just curious, how s that?
07:40<robinetd>Did you shut your linode off?
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07:59<JeffW>Gaps can occur in the graph if the collector had trouble reaching its data source. If the data is that important, you should look at monitoring it yourself
08:01<ran>ive installed the god gem on my ubuntu 10.10 server, yet when i run god i get: -bash: god: command not found, any ideas?
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08:05<JeffW>Try `apt-get install scientology`
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08:06<JeffW>And with that snarky comment, good night
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09:23<robinetd>I skimmed it and closed.
09:23<robinetd>Looked stupid.
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09:29<amitz>my observation is the following: yet another viking beard.
09:29<czr>beards are cool
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09:29<czr>you can hide stuff in them and such
09:30<amitz>it gets in the way of...pleasure?
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09:31<czr>does it?
09:31<amitz>i'm under the impression that it does.
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09:36<stevelinodein>i created node from my linode account
09:36<stevelinodein>but status shows Powered Off
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09:37<stevelinodein>what i have to do for power on
09:37<stevelinodein>but it says boot
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09:39<czr>amitz, as a beard-owner, I'd say it depends
09:40<stevelinodein>now it's fine
09:40<amitz>czr: I kind of expect that she will complain?
09:40<amitz>or he depending on your swing?
09:40<czr>amitz, as said, depends
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09:44<amitz>I'm curious, do you shampoo those or you use soap?
09:45<czr>mine is relative groomed, so soap is enough.
09:45<czr>relatively even
09:46<amitz>can beard grows dandruff? not you ;-)
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09:46<czr>not sure. might be possible. facial hair is different from regular though.
09:46<czr>just as urmom
09:46<czr>ask even
09:46<amitz>never mind, googleable with... uh...some complains and cure :-p
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09:48*amitz saves some other questions for uh... older bread owners :-p
09:49<czr>older bread owners are kinky
09:50<amitz>why do you think they invented the ridiculously long, thick, and hard bread?
09:50<czr>it works as a portable bridge for your troops when you cover hostile lands
09:51<czr>or as a rescuing device for people fall into chasms
09:51<czr>there are many uses.
09:52<amitz>I feel embarassed for thinking suck a dirty thought.
09:53<czr>too late :-)
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10:05<MrYiff>hurrah, i finally got rid of apache and have joined the cool kids running nginx :D
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10:07<axod>hows it comparing?
10:08<MrYiff>so far pretty good
10:08<axod>I've been wondering about doing it for something I need caching for... apache caching pages seems harder work than it should be
10:08<MrYiff>although the amount of visiitors my sites actually get that doesnt really mean much
10:08<axod>(I mean caching php pages so they're just served static for a while until some time limit)
10:08*MrYiff has about 5 non-googlebot visitors a year
10:09<axod>:) from small seeds....
10:09<MrYiff>have you looked at APC?
10:09<tjfontaine>I doubt he's using php
10:09<MrYiff>that seems to cache the php side of things from within php itself
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10:10<axod>hmm really
10:10<axod>tjfontaine: I use php for a few bits+pieces
10:11<tjfontaine>shame on you
10:11<MrYiff>anyone got any links to suggested settings for a linode 512? I suspect my nginx and php-fpm settings are ok but its always nice to see what others use too
10:11<axod>will check out APC
10:11<axod>tjfontaine: if it works....
10:11<Ovron>if you're running php, you should be running apc. :)
10:12<axod>I keep getting alerts saying "your linode has averaged 3000% CPU....." etc
10:12<Ovron>well, it keeps your php scripts in opcode form in cache so it doesn't have to start the interpreter every single time a page is requested
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10:13<JshWright>it can also be used a "generic" cache (like memcached, except it can only run locally)
10:13<axod>the main load is more likely to be from db queries for my usecase
10:14<Ovron>you should profile to see what is using up time before trying to optimize, but apc is always good.
10:19<JshWright>caching in general is good
10:20<tjfontaine>s/location location location/caching caching caching/
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10:26<ioio>JshWright: since i did the modification you suggested for apache low memory usage, my linode hasn t crashed anymore, tx
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10:26<Ovron>ok, rx
10:27<zaytsev>hi folks
10:28<zaytsev>any chance there's anybody from marketing@ in here?
10:28<JshWright>ioio: congrats
10:28<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
10:30<zaytsev>cool! I've sent an e-mail to marketing@ / service@ like a week ago and since I didn't get a reply I was thinking that maybe I could discuss it a bit more interactively on the IRC... so, ops please, I'll be idling here for some time
10:32<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
10:32<@irgeek>zaytsev: I'm not marketing, but I'm here. :)
10:33<JshWright>do you guys even let the marketing folks hang out in #linode?
10:34<amitz>do you guys even have marketing folks?
10:34<csmith>marketing folk present. how may i help?
10:35-!-mode/#linode [+o csmith] by heckman
10:35<@Perihelion>All better now.
10:36<Pryon>I think if you've got somebody in #linux, the hard part of marketing is done
10:36<Pryon>(my fingers tried to type #linude, but I fought them off)
10:40<zaytsev>lol :) irgeek, csmith many thanks, the problem is solved
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10:50<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] How much it easy to host a blog with Linode in Sales Questions and Answers <>
10:50*Ovron 's head spins
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11:18<linbot>New news from forums: Problem with executing PHP code in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
11:19<Pryon>Problem: PHP code is executing in web servers
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11:50<tjfontaine>kapeels: welcome to typo land
11:50<kapeels>was that automated? tjfontaine
11:51<tjfontaine>no I just happened to see it
11:51<tjfontaine>but it made me think about making a service that notices suggestions on that case
11:51<Ovron>tjfontaine is a rowboat out to take over the world
11:51<Ovron>or was it robot
11:52<kapeels>Ovron: help me again..!
11:52<tjfontaine>hook the channel created signal, full text search for existing channel, notice "Did you mean ..."
11:53<Ovron>./join lajn0de - akill: too many spelling errors
11:53<kapeels>how should I edit iptables so that it allows just IP to access a port?
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11:54<Ovron>google should know
11:54<kapeels>iptables -I INPUT \! --src -m tcp -p tcp --dport 777 -j DROP ?
11:54<kapeels>Ovron: serverfault does .. :)
11:55<pharaun>its scanned by teh goog :>
11:56<kapeels>pharaun: course!
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11:57<linbot>New news from forums: StackScript Tuning Commands in Performance and Tuning <>
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11:58<pharaun>for a moment i parsed it as "StackScript Tuning machine" :|
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11:59<pharaun>Turing machine... curse yee engrish, spelling is hard :|
11:59<Ovron>wai u sai dat
11:59<Ovron>it ez
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12:00<pharaun>that was remarkably hard to parse :|
12:00<kapeels_>do I need to restart anything after I doing iptables commands?
12:00<Ovron>no, you don't have to do anything
12:01<Ovron>you might want to save them somewhere to be auto-loaded after a reboot though. Like using iptables-save, if available for your distro.
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12:10<mrevd>hey all. i've got sftp chroot jail set up for a user. can i grant them ssh access with the same jail setup?
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12:21<kapeels_>so if I run `service iptables save` I'll be alright?
12:23<deejoe>mrevd: as far as I know, the same daemon that provides sftp also provides ssh, so yeah, it should already Just Work
12:23<kapeels_>it didn't .. it's gone
12:24<Ovron>I am fairly sure I wrote iptables-save
12:25<Ovron>if available for your distribution, I added as well - which I don't know if it is.
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12:26<mrevd>deejoe: seems so, but the user can't access the shell at /bin/bash so i tried to mount via /etc/fstab and it's not showing up in his home folder
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12:36<JshWright>mrevd: all the tools required for a "useful" shell session are likely outside the user's jail
12:37<mrevd>jshwright: yeah, that's why i tried to mount the bash to his home folder… no luck yet
12:38<JshWright>you tried to "mount" bash?
12:38<mrevd>yeah with fstab
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12:38<JshWright>you could bind mount /bin...
12:39<JshWright>mounting bash itself doesn't make any sense
12:39<mrevd>you're totally right!
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12:43<_kapeels>can I save output of iptables-save to /etc/sysconfig/iptables directly?
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12:43<_kapeels>on my fedora machine..
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12:47<mrevd>ok, the bin is mounted in the user's folder. but, when i attempt to ssh as him i get /home/username/bin/bash: No such file or directory
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12:49<_kapeels>I get this when I run `service iptables restart` Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: security raw nat[FAILED]filter
12:50<_kapeels>any help?
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13:08<Captain_Intern>anyone running IRSSI as a proxy?
13:09<pharaun>I'm using znc here
13:10<Captain_Intern>as a bouncer?
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13:14<sm>g'day all. why is htop showing uptime like this: Uptime: 121 days(!)
13:14<sm>it seems amazed
13:15<thegodlikehobo>over 100 days it'll do that
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13:15<thegodlikehobo>FEEL SPECIAL
13:15<sm>huh.. ok then :)
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13:16<sm>also I think there's no easy keystroke to get htop to show just idle processes ?
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13:16<pharaun>Captain_Intern: yes, its a bouncer
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13:33<alg>hey folks
13:34<alg>who know easiest way to download file to local pc from server via ssh
13:35<rlankfo>you can use sftp, scp, pipe tar's bitstream over ssh
13:35<rlankfo>you can......
13:35<rlankfo>move it to /var/www (depending on your apache config) and just download the file with your browser
13:35<Ovron>or write it down on a piece of paper
13:36<rlankfo>you can transfer files with netcat
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13:37<CT-Bryan>Is it normal to ever see binary junk in /var/log/messages?
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13:37<_kapeels>i am getting pissed off by this ssh tunneling
13:37<rlankfo>CT-Bryan: not really
13:37<alg>rflanfo thanks thats good idea
13:37<alg>to move file to ww
13:38<_kapeels>when I setup a tunnel
13:38<_kapeels>from linode2 to linode1
13:38<alg>that might help to chill lol
13:38<CT-Bryan>I think my filesystem or memory is getting corrupted occasionally.
13:39<_kapeels>I can just connect to[THE PORT I TUNNELED] and it will work?
13:39<_kapeels>from linode2..
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13:41<alg>hey ggg
13:44<CT-Bryan>So is it ever okay to run without a firewall? If all I'm running is Web, FTP, and SSH do I need to have the firewall running?
13:44<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
13:45<CT-Bryan>I have sftp setup.
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13:45<pharaun>then please use it :)
13:45<Ovron>that's not FTP
13:45<CT-Bryan>But a firewall would have the FTP port open anyways so that doesn't really matter.
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13:45*caker nounverbs you
13:45<Ovron>for the better of the internet, don't use FTP, kthnxbie
13:46<pharaun>CT-Bryan: er... *why* would the firewall have the ftp port open?
13:46<pharaun>you just need port 22 for ssh, sftp, etc...
13:46<brian>how do I use the forums to ask a question, without first paying for a linode server? the signup wants a CC and me to pick a do I signup just for pre-sales questions?
13:46<CT-Bryan>I have vsftp setup to use explicit SSL connections, so it stays on the same port but requres an SSL connection.
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13:47<Ovron>brian: you sign up to the forums, and then log in, and then post a question.
13:47<avenj>brian: just go to -> register (at the top)
13:47<Ovron>brian: there's also a contact email on the About page
13:48<CT-Bryan>That's not the point though. My question is, if I only run a few services that are going to be open anyways is there any point in running the firewall?
13:48<Ovron>hey, someone needs to setup !contact
13:48*Ovron runs
13:48*pharaun munch on some popcorn as the noun-verb people descends upon Ovron
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13:49<Ovron>pharaun, the chronic nounverber
13:49<pharaun>CT-Bryan: the nice thing about firewall is you can rate-limit, or ban certain ip, etc... :)
13:49<pharaun>Ovron: i haven't heard you complain about it since >:p
13:50<Ovron>I think you've made sure to completely avoid the word at all costs, to not risk using it wrong ;p
13:50<CT-Bryan>Does iptables do rate limiting by default?
13:50<alg>linux linux
13:50<alg>there could be public classes in libraries daily
13:50<alg>how to use it
13:50<pharaun>Ovron: nah, just haven't needed to say it :p
13:50<alg>maybe after 1 year its possible to leant
13:50<tim>Hi, i'm using linode in Fremont California, to transfer to an EC2 instances in east coast. The transfer is really slow to Ec2 instance, which is around 55KiB/s. I'm located in California as well, but my transfer to the same Ec2 instance is about 1.5MiB/s using comcast residential... how do I debug the slowness in linode in transferring?
13:51<pharaun>CT-Bryan: no it does not, its just an useful feature to have enabled, but do you strictly need it.. no
13:51<brian>iptables doesn't do rate limiting at all :P but you can trick a few things with context rules, etc
13:51<pharaun>(iptable/firewall i mean)
13:51<mshuler>tim: first thing to look at is bi-directional traceroutes (traces from each host to the other)
13:53<CT-Bryan>I'm having some servers crashing strangely and wonder if I'm getting hit with a buffer overrun. I've no idea what to do. Logs in /var/log are getting binary junk in them. Looks like executable code.
13:53<pharaun>brian: .... -> -m limit --limit 1/s --limit-burst 3
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13:53<tim>mshuler: thanks, let me try that :)
13:53*Ovron faceesks
13:54<CT-Bryan>Maybe the disk is getting corrupted. Maybe memory.
13:54<pharaun>CT-Bryan: do dmesg it should give you more info from the kernel
13:54<alg_linux_unix_master>i use kloxo file manager and cant access root
13:54<CT-Bryan>Maybe there's a bad stick of ram in the server that I'm stumbling over every once in a while.
13:54<alg_linux_unix_master>any ideas what to dp
13:54<alg_linux_unix_master>to do
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13:55<Ovron>considering you're the linux unix master, surely you know that already
13:55<pharaun>CT-Bryan: if you think so then you best ticket linode :p but really i don't think so at all :|
13:56<pharaun>CT-Bryan: just check your dmesg, you are probably OOMing
13:56<alg_linux_unix_master>: you_are_trying_to_go_outside_your_root
13:56<alg_linux_unix_master>Ovron I am becoming one with some tips lol
13:56<Ovron>hope you don't mind if I don't hold my breath
13:56<alg_linux_unix_master>i can login to server already via putty and browse
13:57<CT-Bryan>dmesg OOM = Out of Memory?
13:57<Ovron>something is noming your RAM
13:58<pharaun>indeed, so please look for an oom in your dmesg and go from there
13:58<CT-Bryan>Well. When it crashes it can't come back up. Lassie fails several times and gives up. Then I come by hours later and manually boot it just fine.
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13:59<CT-Bryan>dmesg is looking fairly clean to me. I did find some crashes in /var/log/messages though.
13:59<CT-Bryan>Mar 31 08:58:21 at kernel: BUG: Bad page state in process lighttpd pfn:1deb7 Mar 31 08:58:21 at kernel: page:ffffea000068b808 count:-1 mapcount:0 mapping: (null) index:0x0 Mar 31 08:58:21 at kernel: page flags: 0x100000000000000() Mar 31 08:58:21 at kernel: Pid: 1758, comm: lighttpd Not tainted 2.6.38-x86_64-linode17 #1
14:00<CT-Bryan>That was right at boot up, so it can't be OOM.
14:00<pharaun>CT-Bryan: just please pastebin your dmesg log
14:00<CT-Bryan>k. One sec.
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14:03<CT-Bryan>That's the dmesg from the bootup that happened while Lassie was trying to boot it this morning.
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14:04<tim>mshuler: i just ran traceroute. it seems it's pretty fast. i've pasted
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14:06<pharaun>CT-Bryan: that thing looks fine to me
14:06<CT-Bryan>Here is the relevant section from /var/log/messages that shows the "bad page state"
14:06<CT-Bryan>Yeah. The dmesg looked fin to me as well.
14:08<pharaun>CT-Bryan: did you upgrade recently, and are you using the newest PV kernel, etc ?
14:08<Ovron>hmm line 28
14:08<linbot>New news from forums: is 2 servers on 1 linode possible?? in General Discussion <> || mailman list server? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
14:08<CT-Bryan>I've only been with linode for a a few weeks.
14:08<pharaun>Ovron: my thought, i was wondering what the hell up with line 28
14:09<Ovron>what kernel are you using, CT-Bryan
14:09<CT-Bryan>Stock Fedora 14 64bit.
14:09<Ovron>oh, pharaun already asked that
14:09<Ovron>pv_grub, or linode-provided?
14:09<CT-Bryan>Whatever came with the linode image.
14:09<pharaun>CT-Bryan: oh so you set up pv-grub, and installed, etc?
14:09<tim>mshuler: is there anything else i can check to see why it's slow?
14:09<Ovron>right, check it is the latest in the manager, CT-Bryan
14:09<pharaun>check in the manager,
14:10<mrevd>how do you enable color highlighting in a user's shell
14:10<CT-Bryan>It says Latest 2.6 Paravirt
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14:12<CT-Bryan>What is Paravirt vs stable?
14:12<@caker>stable is the old Xen legacy stuff. You don't want it
14:12<Ovron>The "stable" is a bit of a misno-- ^
14:12<CT-Bryan>I'm getting that line 28 at every bootup.
14:12<Ovron>I wonder if his serial console is attached atm or not
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14:13<Ovron>CT-Bryan: try logging in via lish, and see if you get a console or not
14:13<pharaun> <-- on ubuntu, but he's having problems with hvc0
14:13<Ovron>line 18, is it supposed to be mounted as readonly there?
14:14<CT-Bryan>Yes. Lish is working.
14:14<@caker>Ovron: yes.
14:14<mshuler>tim: you have one side of two different routes (linode|home -> EC2) - now look at what you get from EC2 -> linode|home (use that last public IP for home -
14:14<mshuler>that's what I mean by bi-directional hostA->hostB and hostB->hostA
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14:15<Ovron>caker: ah, alright.
14:15<mshuler>the return route may show an obvious issue that the forward route may not
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14:17<mshuler>tim: both of those first hops look kind of pathetic to me..
14:17<bar__>netstat -t | wc -l = 4000 is that considered a lot ? :\
14:17<mshuler>bar__: "that depends" ;-)
14:19<tim>mshuler: pasted
14:20<CT-Bryan>So what is hvc0?
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14:20<bar__>mshuler: For a 768 linode ? :]
14:21<@caker>CT-Bryan: the console device under a paravirt_ops xen kernel
14:21<tim>mshuler: what's a reasonable value?
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14:22<bar__>linode's internet connection is a shared 100mbps?
14:22<Ephialtes>hi, i have my php.ini date.timezone set to 'UTC' but it's being detected as BST :(
14:22<Ephialtes>##php ignored me so i come to you guys, my favorite people, for answers
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14:22<bar__>Each xen host has a dedicated 100mbps, or the entire DC ?
14:22<@caker>bar__: add a few zeros to that
14:23<mshuler>tim: those look alright - nothing really obvious latent - there's some redundant routing going on (the multi-host hops), but that's normal
14:23<Yaakov>caker: My wife and son came home last night. :)
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14:23<Ovron>Ephialtes: are you setting it in the correct ini file?
14:23<Ephialtes>it shows up in phpinfo() as being set correctly
14:23<bar__>caker: Would you care to elaborate ? That's on the bandwidth question, I assume ?
14:23<@caker>Yaakov: that's great (too a while)
14:24<Yaakov>They spent the night before moving on. They needed to... But they are home!
14:24<@caker>bar__: minimum multiple 10G into the core. Our bw is not an issue
14:24<CT-Bryan>Are the 32 bit installs more stable than the 64bit?
14:24<Ephialtes>apparently i can just do date_default_timezone_set() but i was hoping for something more elegant
14:24<Ovron>Ephialtes: what happens if you do date_default_timezone_set('UTC'); as the first thing in a script, and then do whatever you do that makes you think it is BST?
14:24<Ephialtes>i did date_default_timezone_get() to figure out it was BST
14:24<Ephialtes>so yeah i imagine that'd fix it
14:24<@caker>CT-Bryan: that's a tough one, but I'd say in general yes. All the 32 bit stuff has been beaten on for ages, where as the 64 bit stuff isn't as tested
14:24<bar__>caker: So how much throughput can each linode push, theoretically ?
14:24<Ephialtes>odd behavior though isn't it?
14:25<@caker>bar__: 1 Gbit
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14:25<Ovron>Ephialtes: and your line is date.timezone = "UTC" in the php ini file?
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14:25<bar__>caker: Each linode?!
14:25<tim>mshuler: i guess there is not much i can check on network level eh? ok it just means that other instances on the same server may be using more bandwidth?
14:25<Ephialtes>Ovron: phpinfo() reports this: date.timezone UTC UTC
14:25<Ephialtes>and also this: Default timezone Europe/London
14:25<Ovron>Ephialtes: afraid I have no idea then. Are you sure none of your scripts change it somewhere?
14:26<bar__>that's insane
14:26<@caker>tim: on or end? No way. Our bw is not the issue. However, there is a lot of Internet between your Linode and your other end that we don't have control over
14:26<Ephialtes>certain - i think i'll just stick a date_default_timezone_set in my bootstrap
14:26<Ephialtes>thanks though :)
14:26<JshWright>while that test was done on the "private" network, it's the same infrastructure as that between your node and the edge of Linode's network
14:26<mshuler>bar__: the size of the linode is irrelevant - N number of connections is high|low|justright|expected|unexpected depending on the application - I've run routing boxen with multi-10s-of-thousands of connections
14:27<Ovron>Ephialtes: I have that in the main configuration include for my application as well, heh. Sure is weird though. :)
14:27<bar__>mshuler: OK.. thanks
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14:28<tim>caker: i see. what do you suggest what I should check? the CPU is hovering around 10% as usual
14:28<@caker>tim: it's not on the Linode end, so not sure what else you can do. Can try to proxy around it maybe?
14:29<bar__>I didn't know there is a cap for outgoing bandwidth... Why is it there ?
14:29<tjfontaine>for everyones safety
14:29<JshWright>bar__: because an uncapped Linode could blow through your transfer quota _very_ quickly
14:30<tim>caker: thanks
14:30<Ovron>and keep on going, like a duracell bunny
14:30<bar__>JshWright: Why ? If I accidentally download something big ? Or if someone downloads a lot of times a file ?
14:30<Ovron>or is that the energizer bunny, in the US?
14:30<tjfontaine>bar__: it's egress cap, not ingress
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14:31<bar__>oh ... so basically preventing evil people from downloading resources from my linode at insane speeds ?
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14:31<nDuff>haproxy's reload-in-place functionality works for me with but not 2.6.38-linode31
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14:32<@caker>nDuff: what happens?
14:32<nDuff>caker, the new instance is unable to bind the sockets
14:33<@caker>nDuff: just to be clear, 2.6.38-linode31 (32 bit), or 2.6.38-x86_64-linode17 (64 bit) ?
14:33<nDuff>caker, the former -- so there _are_ other variables in play
14:33<@caker>ugh :)
14:33<nDuff>it's a demo system nobody is using, though, so I can rebuild it to be 64-bit
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14:37<bar__>tjfontaine ?
14:38<JshWright>tjfontaine !
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14:38<tjfontaine>it's not a cap on you downloading a file into your node, it's a cap on outbound traffic on your node
14:38<tjfontaine>it's for your bw quota, and a decent brake for anything that might launch an attack from a linode
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14:40<maushu>Anyone here knows how I could setup custom authentication and shell to run an application through ssh?
14:41<maushu>I was thinking in using pam_exec for starters.
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14:41<tjfontaine>how custom does the authentication need to be?
14:42<maushu>Well, basically login:pass from a database.
14:42<maushu>So that the app can add and remove logins easily
14:42<tjfontaine>pam_mysql or similar already exists
14:42<maushu>But I'm not using mysql. :)
14:43<tjfontaine>pgsql certainly exists, and both could be used as a guide for anything else
14:43<maushu>So, I was thinking in using pam_exec on a script that does that.
14:43<tjfontaine>what db? are we talking some nosql?
14:44<maushu>Yes, probably mongodb.
14:44<tjfontaine>fwiw this isn't really custom authentication so much as custom storage
14:44<bar__>tjfontaine: Thanks for the answer
14:46<tjfontaine>pam_exec seems like a nice way to end up with an inadvertent DoS/forkbomb
14:46<maushu>Hmm. Pretty much. Whats confusing me is what user will the user be.
14:46<linbot>New news from forums: Custom partitioning in General Discussion <>
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14:47<maushu>tjfontaine, yeah, even better would be to connect to a custom app server and send an authentication request like pure-ftpd does.
14:48<tjfontaine>are you just allergic to C, is that why you don't want to write your own module? don't forget that this will most likely need to be a blocking call
14:48<maushu>tjfontaine, you got me. I'm allergic to C.
14:49<tjfontaine>preferred language?
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14:50<maushu>Python, Ruby, Java, Lua, Javascript... anything but C.
14:51<Ovron>haters gonna hate
14:52<nDuff>...huh? C is _fantastic_ for the things it's good at.
14:52<nDuff>, C++...
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14:53<amitz>is fantastic for the things it's good at.
14:53<Ovron>luckily, it is good at everything, and that makes it fantastic \o/
14:53<nDuff>amitz, sure, but how much of a statement is that when it regards a null set? :P
14:54<axod>offtopic, but has anyone attempted in car PC install?
14:55<Bhavicp> Anyone know if the SATA 6GB/s disks, work with SATA 3GB/s cables and ports?
14:55<amitz>nDuff: topics like that enhance job security \o/
14:56<amitz>nDuff: oh, never mind.
14:56<maushu>tjfontaine, nice. Thanks.
14:56<amitz>axod: people of #moocows would love to engage you on that, I'd guess.
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14:57<Jamie-Dolan>Where there some network issues in dallas early this morning? I got some alerts from that my site was down several times, but by the time I saw it and checked, the site and my linode were fine and accessiable.
14:57<tjfontaine>Jamie-Dolan: I had some transient lag, but nothing terrible
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14:57<Jamie-Dolan>Were they doing maintaince?
14:57<tjfontaine>nothing according to
14:58<Jamie-Dolan>I couldn't remember if I had read mention of something they were working on, might have been last month. So I am not sure if I was really down or if there was just high enough latency to wasitup that it thought it was down.
14:59<tjfontaine>or just a route that died for wasitup
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14:59<tjfontaine>but dallas as a whole didn't blip
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15:01<dcraig>Jamie-Dolan, london had a couple issues last night, so that could have been it
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15:06<@irgeek>Jamie-Dolan: Dallas itself didn't have any issues, but there were some nearby peerings that were congested.
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15:06<@irgeek>Basically, the Internet broke, not Dallas. :)
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15:08<pharaun>time to get out a hammer and fix the Internet!
15:10<Jamie-Dolan>lol - I wasn't too worried, I figured it was a network issue somewhere. I think someone was in the chat room this morning and mentioned they had trouble also. But I really was only half awake.
15:10<nDuff>caker, I'm reproducing the problem against 2.6.38-x86_64-linode17
15:11<nDuff>caker, ...I'm rebooting back to 2.6.35-4.x86_64-linode16 on the same machine to validate...
15:11<axod>20% loss from UK linode -> TX linode this am
15:12<axod>looked like maybe 2 issues one either end from what i saw
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15:13<nDuff>caker, ...issue doesn't happen on the older kernel, so it's certainly a regression.
15:13<nDuff>...shall I file a support ticket?
15:14<@caker>nDuff: is this a kernel configuration problem? Can I have the exact error message?
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15:14<@caker>nDuff: perhaps this is a haproxy bug?
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15:16<nDuff>caker,, haproxy's soft-reload process hands off all the active connections to the new instance using SCM_RIGHTS, releases the listen socket from the old instance, grabs it on the new. Running against the newer kernel, the new instance is unable to grab the socket.
15:16<nDuff>caker, ...the error emitted by haproxy is along the lines of the following: [ALERT] 089/191251 (27947) : Starting frontend pgsql-master-in: cannot bind socket
15:18<swaj>linbot needs a command to show the latest available kernel versions :)
15:18<linbot>caker: Latest 2.6 Paravirt (2.6.38-linode31) <> || Latest 2.6 Paravirt (2.6.38-x86_64-linode17) <> || 2.6.38-linode31 <> || 2.6.38-x86_64-linode17 <> || Recovery - Finnix (kernel) (2 more messages)
15:18<swaj>I mean Linode-supplied kernels
15:18<swaj>haha sweet
15:19<@caker>nDuff: I'm not quite sure what to do with this information .. this is either a kernel configuration problem (our problem), a kernel regression (the kernel people), or an haproxy breakage
15:20<nDuff>caker, ...well, I'll finish and send my report to the haproxy mailing list...
15:20<@caker>fwiw, first time I'm hearing of anything like what you're describing
15:20<nDuff>caker, ...if they have pointers on kernel configuration, I'll relay that back in your direction.
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15:25<swaj>man I'm 3 versions out of date on my kernel
15:25<swaj>running linode28
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15:30*jtsage headdesk.
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15:31<jtsage>2hrs troubleshooting a credit card processor. 2hrs. and it's the fact the daylight savings didn't trigger on the one server i don't control.
15:32<tjfontaine>what payment gateway?
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15:34<jtsage>cybersource. and don't even get me started on that.
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15:35<jtsage>it's actually not any of thier stuff. it's the web host we get for free at work. (and worth every penny)
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15:57<Levi>Wazzzupppp my ninjas!
15:57<Levi>hey just wondering if there is an option to swap datacenters after creating your node?
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15:59<tjfontaine>Levi: yup file a ticket
15:59<tjfontaine>add a new node in the desired dc and then clone your disk images to it
16:01<Levi>ahh roger that thanks :)
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16:09<Levi>can you compile a custom kernel for your node?
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16:10<phawk>hi there, uk based, looking for a vps
16:10<robinetd>You found one.
16:11<phawk>so you guys have london datacentres?
16:11<robinetd>Linode does, yes.
16:15<phawk>so do i just sign up for an account as normal? and i can choose to create it in london?
16:15<nDuff>pharaun, correct, when you create each node, it lets you choose a datacenter
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16:17<phawk>any of you guys recommend ubuntu 10.4 or 10.10? used 10.4 before but wasnt sure if theres any reason not to use maverick?
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16:18<nDuff>phawk, ...for server use, I personally would be sticking to LTS releases absent a compelling reason to do otherwise.
16:19<JshWright>10.04 will get security updates until April of 2015, 10.10 will get security updates until April of 2012
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16:20<tjfontaine>phawk: what will you be deploying on the node?
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16:21<phawk>4-5 smallish codeigniter sites
16:21<phawk>php5+ mysql5+
16:21<phawk>unsure wether to go nginx or apache 2.2
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16:22<tjfontaine>it all depends on how new of a php you need to track for your framework, and if that differs from the base you start with how comfortable you are with manual updates and maintaining your own stack
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16:22<JshWright>I like nginx, but I find a lot of PHP frameworks expect Apache
16:23<tjfontaine>if your framework is a moving target, especially with what versions of the base libraries they run, it may be saner for you to pick a solid slow base like 10.04 and build out the packages that you need to fast track
16:23<phawk>but for os, i have used 10.4 ubuntu and centos 5.5, just dont have any compelling reasons for either
16:24<tjfontaine>however the longer you do that, the high probability that the list of packages you maintain grows
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16:25<tjfontaine>so it's all a balance on how active of a server admin you are (or have) or want to be, versus how much time you want to spend developing your application
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16:56<bigjocker>i've seen the guides for running oracle xe on linode ... but is it possible to run the standard edition or the standard edition one on linode?
16:57<robinetd>The standard edition or the standard edition?
16:58<Ovron>perhaps it is "Standard Edition One" and "Standard Edition"
17:00<robinetd>If it truely is, someone should shoot oracle.
17:02<bigjocker>yes, it is: Standard Edition and Standard Edition One
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17:02<bigjocker>SE1 is like SE but supports less CPUs
17:03<mrevd>i was just able to ssh into my linode, and a reboot took several minutes. where can i look to find the cause?
17:03<Ovron>fuck me
17:03<Ovron>that was a joke
17:03<robinetd>mrevd: dmesg might be a place to start.
17:03<Ovron> ;D
17:03<mrevd>robinetd: thanks, where can find that?
17:04<robinetd>mrevd: /var/log/dmesg
17:04<mrevd>robinetd: thanks, i'll take a look
17:04<robinetd>or you can just use the 'dmesg' command.
17:04<@caker>that's only the current boot
17:04<mrevd>what might i be looking for with dmesg
17:05<bigjocker>you can find errors from the previous boot on /var/log/messages
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17:12<mrevd>last note in my messages is debug1: subsystem: exec() internal-sftp
17:13<capitan_>mrevd, is it that you can't ssh in, or that login fails?
17:13<capitan_>meaining... does the password prompt come up?
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17:15<mrevd>no, i after reboot, i can ssh in, but i cant sftp
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17:16<mrevd>a different user who has a chrootdirectory can sftp and ssh
17:16<mrevd>but my account with no jail can't sftp
17:16<akerl>mrevd: What's the error message?
17:17<mrevd>well, i'm using a gui for the sftp… no error msg, it just keeps running
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17:17<akerl>try with a terminal
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17:18<capitan_>mrevd, you know the sshd_config file is kind of quirky in the way "Match" is handled... did you move any lines around recently?
17:18<mrevd>works with terminal...
17:19<akerl>If it works with terminal, the problem is with your gui or its config
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17:19<akerl>Which gui are you using?
17:19<mrevd>transmit, wacky…. quit and relaunching it worked… thanks guys
17:20<mrevd>but, i still don't know why the server crashed in the first place… i was only able to ssh in after a reboot
17:21<akerl>Did you restart the sshd manually?
17:21<mrevd>i had to reboot the hole box
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17:22<akerl>What happened to indicate to you that the server crashed?
17:23<mrevd>i had an open ssh connection that froze. and i couldn't create a new one
17:23<mrevd>lish was non-responsive
17:24<akerl>Interesting. Did you rule out a connection problem between your location and linode?
17:25<mrevd>a non-responsive lish should prove that, no?
17:25<akerl>While it's fairly easy to mess up configs and break different daemons on your server, you'd have to be doing something fairly major to crash the server itself.
17:26<akerl>So if by "non-responsive" you mean "it didn't show anything", I'd lean towards some sort of intermittent connection problem. Which would also explain why you had trouble with sftp
17:26<mrevd>hmm, the only changes i made today we're some bind mounts via fstab
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17:37<mrevd>stupid problem: when a chrooted user makes a ssh connection, the terminal has plain colors. how can i fix that?
17:37<capitan_>mrevd, are you sure it's the terminal?
17:37<capitan_>and not the bash / ls / etc settings?
17:38<capitan_>did you try doing "ls --color" or something similar?
17:38<akerl>capitan_: he didn't say it was the terminal's *fault*. he just said the problem show up in the terminal :)
17:38<mrevd>at the same terminal, when i log in with my account i see ls as if i ran ls —color. if i log in with the chrooted user ls is regular, and ls —color works
17:39<capitan_>akerl, wanted to double check before barking up the wrong tree ;)
17:39<mrevd>but, it'd like all colors to be auto. we have the same .bashrc and .profile
17:39<akerl>captian_: You're going to want to put the relevant color lines from your user with working color's .bash_rc into the new user's .bash_rc
17:39<capitan_>s/capitan_/mrevd/ too :P
17:40<akerl>yup. I failed
17:40<capitan_>akerl, what he said... hehe
17:40<mrevd>ha, we both have the same .bashrc though
17:40<capitan_>are you sure bash is the shell in the jail?
17:40<akerl>mrevd: pastebin the bashrc?
17:41<capitan_>also... i remember some goofy historical stuff about which files are used in which cases... it may not be even using the .bashrc... the bash manpage has that
17:42<akerl>mrevd: is your new user ssh'ing in, or sftp?
17:42<mrevd>yeah, this user has /bin/bash set in passwd and /bin is bind mounted to his home chroot
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17:43<capitan_>mrevd, and if you 'source ~/.bashrc', it's business as usual?
17:44<mrevd>capitan_: … you are a great person
17:45<akerl>mrevd: If that works, then the problem is that .bashrc isn't being run automatically on login.
17:45<capitan_>really?? that's not what the girls i date usually say :P
17:45<mrevd>which it is not… how can i manage that?
17:45<capitan_>mrevd, thanks :P
17:46<akerl>mrevd: can you compare the .bash_profile files in the 2 user's home directories?
17:46<capitan_>this might be a long shot, but is their shell in passwd /bin/sh or /bin/bash ?
17:46<akerl>capitan_: above ^^ it's bash
17:47<akerl>mrevd: my guess is that user1, with color, has a line in .bash_profile to include bashrc. Whereas user 2 does not.
17:48<mrevd>we actually have the same .profile in both home folders. both users have the same shell /bin/bash. but, maybe the path is wrong because he is chrooted?
17:48<capitan_>hmm... akerl i think you're onto something...
17:48<akerl>mrevd: is there a .bash_profile in either home dir?
17:49<capitan_>mrevd, what about the chroot'ed /etc/profile vs the real /etc/profile?
17:49<capitan_>and /etc/profile.d, /etc/bash.bashrc, etc
17:50<mrevd>the /etc is a bind mount also. there is not .bash_profile in either, but both have a .profile
17:51<akerl>mrevd: Out of curiousity, if you're giving this user basically full access through bind mounts, why chroot him?
17:51<capitan_>are you sure bash isn't being invoked with --norc somehow?
17:51<mrevd>i want him to have bash, but not cd movement. he's not a sudoer
17:51<akerl>My guess at this point is that your chrooting is messing with things.
17:52<mrevd>for sure, haha
17:53<mrevd>everything is working as it should except the damn colors...
17:53<akerl>mrevd: Are you providing this user to someone you trust, and just don't want to mess things up, or to a user/customer/etc for security?
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17:54<mrevd>i trust them, but we have a lot separate projects on the same box. so i want him to only touch what's "ours"
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17:57<mrevd>i wonder why the .bashrc isn't being run when he logs in
17:58*caker chowns ur home
17:59<GLaDOSDan>chmod -R 777 /
17:59<capitan_>caker, whatever you do, do not look at the files in there called "explicit_photos_of_me_for_online_dating_*.jpeg"... those are architectural photos for my new guest house
17:59<GLaDOSDan>that should fix it
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18:01<neetert><-- wants to be a millionaire now....not in a few years
18:03*knix too
18:05*capitan_ thinks a million isn't gonna be worth much very soon :(
18:05<neetert>that is also true
18:05<capitan_>if you have a million... spend it
18:05<capitan_>spend it on real estate!! :P
18:05<neetert>better make it..... 100 billion
18:06<jkwood>Well, no - if you have a million and stick it under your bed, it will lose 4% of its value per year.
18:06<jkwood>But if you invest it properly, it's worth quite a bit.
18:06<capitan_>"get a loan... don't worry... housing is going to go up... i promise"... says shady loan officer
18:06<jkwood>And yes, now is an excellent time to buy real estate.
18:07<capitan_>jkwood, probably... but these times are way too uncertain for me right now :-/
18:07<jkwood>(With your money, not with someone else's.)
18:07<jkwood>capitan_: It can only go up.
18:07<neetert>..... hacks into linode payment system and directs all payments to himself...
18:07<capitan_>last time i said that i disappointed the girl
18:08<jkwood>Investment is a long term strategy, not a get-rich-quick scheme.
18:08*capitan_ needs to stop x-rating this channel
18:08<nenolod>working for startups is a get-rich-quick scheme!
18:10<neetert>I wish I knew PHP and Mysql.....I have something ive been trying to build that will make $$$
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18:24<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] How much Bandwidth do you use per month? in General Discussion <> || Disaster strikes on my Debian VM in Linux Networking <>
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19:05<dude007>hello. does works slow for anybody else besides me?
19:05<dude007>i click shopping cart and loads forever... everything actually
19:05<robinetd>Works for me.
19:06<dude007>did you click on shopping cart ?
19:06<@pparadis>i wouldn't be surprised if they're dealing with a lot of traffic right now. there's been a lot of publicity around this -->
19:06<dude007>yea i know lol. sweet deal.
19:07<dude007>perfect opportunity to slam tham :P
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19:09<BarkerJr>I hated godaddy anyway
19:10<BarkerJr>but I hate peta more, so I have to like godaddy now per the "enemy of my enemy" scenario
19:10<dude007>no issues with namecheap?
19:10<robinetd>What's wrong with People Eating Tasty Animals?
19:11<BarkerJr>at least bob didn't shoot a dolphin
19:12<BarkerJr>I've never used namecheap, so I dunno
19:12<BarkerJr>but I have to question the quality of any company with "cheap" in their name
19:13<dude007>question: do you guys take any preventative measures to protect your domain name? example: loosing it to trademarking ?
19:13<BarkerJr>if linode's slogan was "Cheap Hosting" I'd probably never have come here
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19:14<BarkerJr>I like the current slogen "better hosting" much better :)
19:14<@pparadis>dude007: if you're concerned about things like that, and your domain(s) have real value from a commercial/business perspective, you might want to consider talking to an attorney about it and/or filing for trademark registration with the USPTO.
19:16<akerl>BarkerJr: While I agree that it's a poor choice of name, I switched over from godaddy to namecheap a few months ago, no problems so far.
19:17<BarkerJr>I know, I'm just kidding :)
19:17<purrdeta>namecheap is great btw. :P
19:17<dcraig>I’d rather go with a “cheap” host than a “daddy” host
19:17<BarkerJr>it's not like DNS uses any registrar servers
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19:17<purrdeta>what about an S&M host
19:17<BarkerJr>I go with powerpipe, which is a sexy name
19:18<akerl>I hear that causes lung cancer, though
19:18*purrdeta cracks a whip.
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19:19<BarkerJr>but the only reason I use powerpipe is cause I asked by first hoster where I can get a cheap domain, and they recommended them
19:19<dude007>pparadis: is that a necessary step. or should i wait till it gets popular
19:19<BarkerJr>I've called them several times and their techs are always helpful, so I stick with them
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19:20<@pparadis>dude007: that's precisely the kind of question lawyers are great at answering, as every situation is going to be different.
19:20<@pparadis>seeking anything resembling legal advice in an IRC channel is a terrible idea.
19:20<@pparadis>also, it's offtopic for #linode
19:21<@pparadis>you might want to investigate #moocows though.
19:21<jkwood>#moocows is full of people with an opinion. Some of their opinions are even legal.
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19:22<BarkerJr>if there was any such thing as "legal", we wouldn't need courts
19:22<Ovron>urmom's illegal
19:22<akerl>BarkerJr, ?
19:24<BarkerJr>I mean I'm sure that Google has tons of lawyers and legal advice and they still get sued
19:24<jkwood>To be fair, it's Microsoft and Apple that do most of the suing. They see it as a business strategy.
19:25<BarkerJr>so I would say that legal advice is not legal
19:25<@caker>please advice
19:25<akerl>BarkerJr: #moocows to continue.
19:25<@pparadis>akerl: thanks :)
19:25<jkwood>The @caker: Sage words.
19:26<BarkerJr>jeepers, this channel is anti-troll tonight
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19:36<Levi>Alohaness, can I make a stackscript private?
19:37<Levi>say i wanted to put in stuff like ssh keys etc.. and therfore dont want others to use it, since they wouldnt want to anyways
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19:38<akerl>i wouldn't recommend pushing a stackscript with private data into the system at all, but yes, you can mark it private
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19:38<Levi>how do i do that?
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19:38<akerl>there should be a private/public selection when you upload
19:38<Levi>ok im thinking maybe i'll have input fields instead, but it'd be nice to not have to :D
19:38<Levi>huh, i dont have an upload option, just a text field for inputting my script
19:39<akerl>Levi... that's the page.
19:39<Levi>under add a new stack script
19:39<Levi>there is no upload area from what i can see, nor a security option
19:39<akerl>One sec Levi
19:39<Levi>thanks akerl
19:41<akerl>Levi: The first step, on the add page, defaults to private. To push it public, you have to edit the script once it's uploaded, and select "Publish" at the bottom.
19:42<Levi>ok, so as far as uploading, where is that, do i create a script, then upload afterwards?
19:43<Levi>or am i misinterpreting you and you mean put your script in the script text area and hit save changes :)
19:43<akerl>The page you're on, you put name/desc/distros/script, and submit the form. That adds it.
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19:51<Jamie-Dolan>I've only used up 17% of my transfer, what a bummer. I'll try much harder next month.
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19:58<A-KO>do you guys find godaddy or namecheap to be cheaper?
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19:59<bob2>namecheap's website is far less annoying
19:59<bob2>so the 45c potential difference doesn't really matter
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19:59<bob2>also afaik namecheap's ceo never killed an elephant
19:59<straterra> is good too :x
19:59<straterra> offers dnssec and ipv6 glue
19:59<checkers>gandi is more expensive but you're not supporting a shitty company and why do you have more than three domains registered anyway
19:59<bob2>^ + 1
20:00<A-KO>straterra: orly
20:00<straterra>Yes, really
20:00<Peng>Day changed to 01 Apr 2011
20:00<bob2>actually, is cheaper anyway, since godaddy forces magic .au pricing on us now
20:00<Peng>Dun dun dunnn
20:00<Peng>bob2: "magic"?
20:00<bob2>Peng: your linode is on UTC?
20:00<bob2>u r a madman
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20:00<GLaDOSDan> are pretty good
20:00*jtsage has a newfound appreciation of UTC after today
20:00<A-KO>straterra: do they offer private registration?
20:00<Ovron>UTC represent o/
20:01<@caker>hover is the WORST UI EVER
20:01<bob2>Peng: I think it reflects the AUD:USD exchange rate of april 17th 1997
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20:01<GLaDOSDan>I heard good things
20:01<A-KO>I don't use UTC on my servers, though I've considered it
20:01<@caker>I h9 it.
20:01<bob2>I always use my local time
20:01<A-KO>same bob
20:01<GLaDOSDan>That's one worse than h8!
20:01<bob2>I'm not converting fucking times in my head
20:01<Ovron>is h9 more hate than h8?
20:01<@caker>it's one louder than h8
20:01<bob2>Peng: unclear why they don't just let me pay in USD
20:01<Ovron>caker's hate goes to 11
20:01<GLaDOSDan>I'd put up with a bad UI for free whois protection though
20:01<@caker>as does our RAID
20:03<GLaDOSDan>< Nivex> Perihelion: Do you get your Thursdays from a banana?
20:03<Peng>I use UTC everywhere I can.
20:03<bob2>where do I click on the hover website to get a freaking price list
20:04<karl>jtsage: UTC, all the time!
20:05<jtsage>karl - tell that to the webhost work uses (it's free, i guess i can't complain that much). they apparently haven't updated the DST rules since they changed...
20:05<karl>local time is for clients :)
20:06<jtsage>see, if the new rules were even from this year, i could give em a pass... maybe. but it's 1:03:(and change) off. and that really, really bugs me...
20:06<Peng>BTW, if you know of any UTC, WWVB wall-clocks (well, desk clocks), let me know!
20:06*Jamie-Dolan wants RAID 11.
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20:07<bob2>oh and namecheap gives you ssl certs with each domain
20:08<bob2>but I guess those are free if you know the right people anyway
20:08<bob2>^ TOPICAL
20:08<Peng>The right people being ? :P
20:12<Jamie-Dolan>Moniker is good to work with, but I don't think they deal with account that just have a few domains.
20:13<Kyhwana_>screw that, I use NZS/DT on my linode.
20:13<Kyhwana_>Then I know what time stuff happened
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20:18<karl>(I do have the somewhat luxurious option of living in UTC, without any sort of daylight savings, it's a bit of a cheap shot for me)
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20:28<@Perihelion>stitchy :3
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21:04<troy>since i rebooted my linode and got the new 2.6.38-linode31 kernel, the cpu usage graphs in the dashboard have shot up.. any idea why this would be?
21:04<bob2>what does top say is using the cpu
21:06<troy>top is showing cpu as pretty much idle..
21:07<troy>odd that it happened right after the kernel change..
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21:07<bob2>pretty much is not a useful description
21:07<bob2>look at what is at the top and what has accumulated the most cpu time
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21:07<Solver>any steal time?
21:08<troy>well, when i run top - 'top' is at the top (say that 3 times fast) with 0.1 usage everythning else at 0.0
21:10<Nivex>GLaDOSDan: that's a quote from Clay Shirky
21:10<troy>nah steal time is at 0% idle says 100% just odd that the graphs show a constant 4-5% usage
21:11<Solver>troy: so the "Cpu(s)" line shows 0 or near 0 for each category including the last one (st)?
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21:11<troy>Solver: Cpu(s): 0.0%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni,100.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st
21:12<Solver>and the graph is still showing cpu usage? Might be worth raising this with linode staffers. perhaps a reporting bug
21:12<linbot>New news from forums: Become an internal cPanel license reseller in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
21:13<troy>Solver: thanks, i'll raise a ticket
21:14<@caker>troy: what was your previous kernel?
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21:16<troy>caker: what ever the 'latest' one was up until it changed recently i think 2.6.18?
21:16<@caker>Latest Paravirt or Latest Stable? Did you just reboot, or did you change from Stable to Paravirt?
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21:18<troy>caker: latest paravirt, i just re-booted and did not change the configuration profile at all.
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21:20<@caker>it's curious, but not something I'm overly alarmed by
21:22<Peng>If a signficant number of folks on 2.6.38 have their CPU usage go up by a couple percent, that would add up...
21:23<linbot>New news from forums: NXDOMAIN weirdness in Linux Networking <>
21:24<@caker>I've booted a 2.6.38 Linode into init=/bin/bash mode .. we'll see if it registers any CPU time at all
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21:27<troy>thanks caker
21:30<GLaDOSDan>caker: I had those weird blank spots in my graphs today
21:30<GLaDOSDan>Any update on that?
21:31<@caker>gaps in graphs aren't anything to be alarmed by.
21:31<GLaDOSDan>I know
21:31<GLaDOSDan>but is there any update as to why it's happening?
21:31<@caker>it happens when the graphing system can't phone home
21:32<@caker>Internet. It's not reliable.
21:32<GLaDOSDan>I had like a two hour gap though, which I thought was weird
21:34<capitan_>Cute... ET phone home!
21:35<capitan_>bob2, am i the only one who doesn't love the redesign?
21:35<@caker>people have too much time on their hands...
21:35<Ovron>you don't like ET's space ship?
21:35<bob2>capitan_: I like the bold colours
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21:36<Solver>it only does warp 2 now
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21:37<capitan_>caker, what do you mean?
21:37<@caker>April fools efforts, capitan_
21:38<capitan_>lol!!! i didn't even check the link! I was talking about the actual redesign they did when they released squeeze!
21:38*capitan_ feels silly
21:39<sirpengi>haha, Archlinux is in on it too
21:39<capitan_>lol! they linked to all of em too
21:39<capitan_>that took some balls... what about their rankings?
21:39<sirpengi>yeah, but arch is the only one that also mention it on their news
21:39<bob2>sirpengi: nah, their web server was just compromised via unsigned packages on a mirror
21:39<GLaDOSDan>caker: nice IP.
21:39<bob2>capitan_: wah wah seo
21:40<GLaDOSDan>* [caker] :actually using hos
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21:42<Ovron>urmom was here
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21:43<capitan_>to be honest... i like the april fools design better than their yesterday design...
21:43<GLaDOSDan>Oh god it's April 1st
21:44<Kyhwana_>So is linode getting native ipv6 today?
21:44<straterra>WHY YES
21:44<@caker>We already have it </tease>
21:44<straterra>And free PBX access too
21:44<GLaDOSDan>linode is getting ipv7 today
21:44<straterra>So you can make free international calls
21:44<sirpengi>no, today linode is going to have virtualized Windows7
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21:45<Kyhwana_>sirpengi: with native ipv6!
21:45<straterra>I could actually use a nice VPS Win2008R2 server
21:45<sirpengi>and they'll start doing minor sysadmin requests for $10
21:46<@caker>add a zero
21:46<sirpengi>$10.00 <- add 2 zeros
21:46<Peng>Arch's blog post is labeled 2011-03-31. :X
21:46<Solver>remember the time Linus announced that the kernel was switching to a commercial lic
21:47<Solver>so many people went off without checking the date :)
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21:48<Peng>caker: The best prank of all would be to *actually* release IPv6 today. ;-D
21:49<Peng>(I may have said this last April fool's day too?)
21:49<GLaDOSDan>caker: roll out 'native' ipv6 today
21:49<GLaDOSDan>but for the private network only
21:49<sirpengi>my google is all weird
21:50<Peng>GLaDOSDan: Heh.
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21:56<Peng>Hmm, I think I was AFK 2010-04-01. But I still remember making that joke before...
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22:02<capitan_>sirpengi, do you... uh... yahoo?
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22:04<capitan_>straterra, what do you mean "free pbx access"? are we not allowed to run freepbx on linode? o_O
22:04<straterra>Of course you are
22:04<Kyhwana_>capitan_: but you can dial into your linode via a modem
22:04<straterra>But..its not really connected to anything. It was an April Fools joke
22:05*capitan_ stops sweating!!!
22:06<capitan_>Kyhwana_, eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.... ARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!
22:06<capitan_>... said the modem
22:06<capitan_>i kinda miss the joy of when that sound goes silent and you know you're "online"
22:07<Kyhwana_>or you get an engaged tone
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22:08<Solver>and that disconnect 'click
22:08<Solver>my hear used to sink
22:08<Solver>I don't miss it at all :)
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22:08<Solver>if you want to play with Hayes commands you can talk to a 3G modem at low level
22:08<capitan_>98% through that 5 MB download you just spent an hour on
22:08<Nivex>namecheap is the registrar a bunch of people in here talk about, right?
22:08<Solver>yeah that used to hurt :)
22:08<capitan_>before you could resume ftp
22:09<capitan_>and then GetRight(tm) came along
22:09<Solver>Nivex: theone offering $1 to the elephants - i think so
22:09<Nivex>Solver: I was thinking before the elephant fiasco too
22:09<capitan_>okay enough nostalgia about me downloading things no 13 year old should have been downloading...
22:09<Solver>capitan_: hahah :)
22:10<capitan_>Nivex, 8.95 for an ssl cert? wow
22:11<straterra>My SSL cert was free..
22:11<Nivex>I've been pondering switching off godaddy for awhile now, I just haven't figured out where to go yet
22:12*Solver likes
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22:12*amitz likes
22:12<capitan_>i like godaddy for domains, ssl certs, etc... you can switch nameservers in bulk
22:12<amitz>but relatively expensive -_-
22:12<Solver>yes it is
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22:13<Nivex>I used to be with dotster ~8 years ago. I looked at going back, but they don't publish their rates anywhere I can get to
22:13<capitan_>i know... just had to and didn't pull out any more of my hair (chin hair, that is)... they're god-awful for hosting, though...
22:13<amitz>it has an anonymizer by default though, a weak version anyway.
22:14<amitz>weak as in anybody who asks will be given the real whois data.
22:14<amitz>dotster... first time I heard about it.
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22:16<amitz>I do wonder if a pic of pretty thing influence my buying decision.
22:18<Solver>ok that was weird
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22:19<Solver>I just sshed to one of my linodes from a drop dowqn menu option (so I can't have screwed it up)
22:19<Solver>and I ended up at another linode
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22:19<Solver>I went to ssh to a box in the UK and end up at a login prompt at a linode in freemont
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22:20<Solver>was someone screwing with switch config? :)
22:21<Nivex>I've been WHOISing a bunch of domains I know to see who they're reg'd with. Amazing how many are w/ godaddy.
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22:28<Nivex>they're with tucows
22:29<sirpengi>through it appears
22:30<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:30<amitz>yeah, saw the detail. administrate by none other than the cake!
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22:43<A-KO>I feel so bad for these developers at work. They've been subtasked with a project that interacts with many numerous other programs but were never given any details on how their project fits into the bigger picture.
22:44<A-KO>with no clear documentation on any of the stuff they're interacting with
22:45<amitz>A-KO: look at the bright side, they won't be blame if the app is used for something illegal!
22:46<A-KO>amitz: I've been tempted at some point to detail how all of these projects interact--but it's a rather complex and intricately woven set of products. Largely because the company keeps not getting quite exactly what they want out of one, then a year later move on to someone else, who comes in and doesn't like what the previous guy did, so then does it their way.
22:46<A-KO>We've unfortunately had a string of bad developers involved as well.
22:47<A-KO>But what's interesting is they're tasked with making it all work by August
22:47<A-KO>I'd be highly surprised if they make something that doesn't completely obliterate the database
22:49<amitz>A-KO: once I worked in a project of doing the subtasks of something evil. I unfortunately saw the big picture. If I didn't get it, I could probably continue my blissful way. Too much knowledge sucks.
22:49<A-KO>I'll never forget the day that we had a huge problem with one of the applications, and the actual developer of the application told us that the problem was because we installed an extra program which caused all of the instability of the environment. They pushed us for 2 days on it. Nevermind the fact that this application was included with their application installer.....and was a part of the
22:50<A-KO>amitz: the smaller picture would be fine if each area was completely and very well defined. You need someone, or a group of someones, who clearly define the bigger picture and know how those smaller teams are supposed to come together.
22:50<A-KO>Unfortunately, we don't have that :P
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22:50<@caker>troy: booted into 2.6.38-linode31, seems fine. totally idle
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22:59<linbot>New news from forums: is 2 servers on 1 linode possible?? in General Discussion <>
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23:06<troy>caker: no worries, its a little odd, although top etc reports the linode is idle its just the graph that disagrees.. no biggie.. thanks for looking anyway
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23:10<dmckenna>Re all
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23:11<dmckenna>if I want ssl for both and should I a) use two IP addresses and two SSL certs, b) use one IP address and a wildcard cert?
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23:15<troy>dmckenna: the ssl certs that i have purchased for also work fine for as well only 1 ip required.
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23:16<A-KO>dmckenna: Generally speaking, it has to match the CN. So your cert's CN should match whatever the URL of your site is.
23:17<A-KO>I'd make the cert for, and then via apache use a redirect for to
23:17<randallman>(it doesnt work)
23:17<randallman>doesnt work
23:17<randallman>So, you wouldnt be in bad company
23:17<randallman>if you just used
23:17<dmckenna>a-ko: but if you go to you get a warning about the cert
23:17<randallman> that is
23:18<Peng>It's pretty easy to get a cert for +
23:18<randallman>That fails too
23:18<Peng>Any halfway-decent $10 cert can do it.
23:18<randallman>certs with subject alt names
23:18<randallman>are usually expensive
23:18<randallman>or at least more expensive
23:18<Peng>In general, yeah, but for www? Shouldn't be a problem. I think.
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23:18<A-KO>dmckenna: most people don't use https://
23:18<A-KO>they type ""
23:18<A-KO>or ""
23:18<A-KO>so you'll have redirects anyway
23:18<troy>in my case the but there is a Subject Alt Namne with and listed.
23:18<randallman>that doesnt work wither :)
23:18<randallman>just FYI :)
23:19<A-KO>randallman is correct :P
23:19<randallman>I just listed 4 important websites that dont care, why should you? :P
23:19<randallman>credit card banks, ebay, and linode :)
23:19<randallman>we had like 20 subject alt names on our exchange cert
23:19<akerl>ebay, important?
23:20<A-KO>you'll have and redirect if you wish to which has the proper cert. Again, possible to be MITM'd, but if you want to avoid that, tell people to bookmark the site after they redirect--so the first visit has a chance of MITM, subsequent visits not.
23:20<randallman>because the exchange admins read the manual :)
23:20<randallman>akerl, ok... ;-)
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23:24<dmckenna>For comparison, uses a wildcard cert (* but going to gives a warning
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23:25<A-KO> < this will be fun at work tomorrow
23:28*randallman thinks of scotty speaking into the mouse in star trek III (or was it IV that they saved the whales?)
23:29<A-KO>"Hello computer"
23:29<randallman>heh which was III
23:29*randallman looks it up
23:30<randallman>oh that one :)
23:30<A-KO>good movie, I should remember it more
23:30<A-KO>they sort of blur together after a bunch of 'em
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23:31<randallman>That's the one they landed on vulcan in the bird of prey :)
23:31<randallman>gave you a real sense of the small size of the bird of prey
23:31<randallman>but anyway :)
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23:31<A-KO>what was the one where they went to that planet and saved all the Ewoks?
23:31<randallman>heh :-)
23:32<randallman>I thought that was lord of the rings
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23:32<akerl>That's the one with the worms, right?
23:32<randallman>no, zombies
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23:32<randallman>its the one with zombies :)
23:32<dmckenna>g'night everyone
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23:32<A-KO>You know, though I'm not sure on the star wars front, it seems to me that the Star Trek stars are so far more involved with their community.
23:33<A-KO>even across all of the series' and movies
23:33<randallman>well, star wars had a single unified enemy, plus the secondary story about the inner struggle against ones evil side
23:34<randallman>star trek, there had to be at least 7 or 8 major different antoginist groups :)
23:34<randallman>err antagonist :)
23:34<A-KO>Shatner and Nimoy still attend conventions @ 80. I know Jonathan Frakes does them too, as well as the dude that played Worf :P
23:34<A-KO>Michael Dorn
23:34<akerl>randallman: Star wars EU ftw.
23:40<checkers>there is more fan involvement with star trek because there are more living star trek actors and there was more original content
23:41<checkers>where original content is defined as the first three star wars movies and every star trek tv series
23:41<randallman>Indeed, we're well off the beaten path here :)
23:42<amitz>#moocows for the off pathers!
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23:43<louve>aha! I was wondering for the longes time where I saw the channel #moocows
23:43<louve>dunno why it stuck on to me, was in that channel for about a day >_<
23:43<amitz>oh :-p
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23:43<Peng>Up until the recent offtopic crackdown, #moocows was generally pretty boring.
23:44<vsync>is there a way to suspend service on a node but keep the data?
23:44<vsync>or is it completely binary?
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23:44<Peng>vsync: Well, you could copy your disk images to another node.
23:44<bob2>it still is exceedingly boring
23:44<vsync>they're identical failover nodes
23:44<vsync>but for IP addresses etc
23:45<vsync>just wondered if there was a half price suspended animation or something
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23:47<vsync>no worries
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