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---Logopened Wed Apr 20 00:00:48 2011
00:00<straterra>It uses Debian entropy
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00:05<srj55>so on my local laptop I am connected via ssh (putty) to my vps. tunnelling is setup (verified in putty event viewer: "Local port 3129 SOCKS dynamic forwarding"). When I change my chrome proxy to use proxy; localhost:3129, my browser doesn't connect. how can i debug this?
00:06<Kyhwana>srj55: did you set the chrome proxy as a SOCKS proxy? (not http)
00:06<andrew>Hey guys
00:06<andrew>so now is it just a waiting game? :S
00:06<Kyhwana>also chrome uses the windows proxy settings, I think.
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00:09<srj55>Kyhwana: got it thanks!
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00:18<Kyhwana>:)
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00:48<Captain_Intern>I hate paperwork.
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00:56<sako>hmm
00:56<sako>not sure if i should be running ubntu 10.04, 10.10 or debian 6
00:56<sako>im playing alot with newer stuff like node.js etc, i feel ubuntu is probably a better choice no?
00:56<sako>the latest ubuntu so i can have the latest packages
00:57<HoopyCat>http://packages.debian.org/ and http://packages.ubuntu.com/ may help guide your choice
00:58<HoopyCat>also, all three of those have different expected lifespans; this decision will decide when you must upgrade
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01:01<sako>hmm
01:01<sako>HoopyCat: u recommend one or the other based on your personal experience?
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01:02<HoopyCat>i currently use ubuntu 10.04, because i currently use ubuntu 10.04, except where i use ubuntu 8.04. i'm lazy.
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01:04<Defenestrator>sako: if it's "playing with" rather than "production server", I'd stick with either the newest Ubuntu or something like Debian Testing
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01:05<HoopyCat>unless you're lazy, then use whatever you'd use for production for your dev environments :-)
01:05<sako>i see...
01:06<sako>whens 11.04 released?
01:06<sako>osoon right?
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01:08<@mikegrb>lulz
01:08<sako>hmm looks like debian has newer packages... wtf lol
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01:10<sako>mikegrb: am i right? ;P
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01:18<sako>so my options are ubuntu 10.10 or debian6 and run testing
01:18<rnowak>if you run testing, you're no longer on debian 6
01:20<tonyyarusso>sako: 11.04 releases on the 28th
01:20<foreverwondering>debian 6
01:20<foreverwondering>rules
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01:21<bob2>don't run testing
01:21<bob2>if you want to use it, use the codename so you one day end up with a stable stystem
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01:37<sako>i should stick with deb6 and build from src as necessary
01:37<sako>deb6 stable*
01:37<bob2>also backports.org
01:38<rnowak>there is only one debian stable, and that's debian 6 atm
01:38<sako>bob2 what do u run?
01:38<bob2>debian oldstable
01:38<rnowak>also, using certain packages from testing is not worse than compiling them yourself, just keep that in mind
01:39<bob2>yes it is
01:39<bob2>if you mean binary packages
01:39<rnowak>oh really?
01:39<bob2>if you mean rebuilding testing packages on stable because they're not on backports.org and you're not a DD but you subscried to the PTS to track security updates, then gold star
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01:41<rnowak>sure, you have to keep up to date on security updates if you compile yourself as well; at least the packages in testing are debianified, and you can get them as source
01:41<bob2>shizzle
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02:01<checkers>why would you be using oldstable if you care about security?
02:01<bob2>it still has updates
02:02<bob2>and I can't upgrade all my production servers in less than 6 weeks
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02:03<checkers>oh, well yes, you get a free pass for a few months after a major release
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02:20<Ashfame>I believe I have messed up DNS for my linode and now the DNS doesn't resolve. Any help please?
02:21<Ashfame>Here is the screenshot http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/shpzckw8/Selection_037.png
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02:32<tonyyarusso>Ashfame: You don't have any A records for bankpo.in, only for subdomains of it.
02:33<tonyyarusso>Ashfame: You also have two identical A records for mail.bankpo.in
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02:43<Ashfame>tonyyarusso: You mean I should remove one of the mail.bankpo.in and add a new one for bankpo.in?
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02:58<Haddock>Hi, I'm a brand new user! I would appreciate some assistance while settings things up. I created a 1500MB disk image for CentOS 5.6, a 512MB swap and created a separate image hoping to mount /home there.
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02:58<Haddock>Is this possible? I've created the disk image, but do not see it available as a partition/mount point. Should I do something else?
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03:02<Haddock>I only see /dev/xvda and /dev/xvdb which are the root and swap partitions. Should I be seeing an xvdc?
03:03<@heckman>Did you assign it to /dev/xvdc in the configuration profile and then reboot your Linode?
03:03<@heckman>(within the Linode Manager)
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03:06<Haddock>I rebooted, but didn't do any assigning. /me looks into it - thanks heckman
03:07<@heckman>Not a problem. :)
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03:13<Haddock>heckman: that did the trick!
03:13<@heckman>good stuff
03:14<Haddock>Is it a good idea for me to use up my entire quota on these three disk images? I'm told that I can resize these mounts at any time.
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03:15<@heckman>I think most people use their full allocation unless they are planning something specific in the future.
03:15*heckman is basing that off pure speculation, and not any facts
03:15<@mikegrb>lulz
03:15<@heckman>Well, I mean I've seen enough accounts where people are using 100%. So I guess there's some fact in there, lol
03:15<praetorian>70% of people agree with what you just said
03:16<Haddock>Roger that. How about the linode backups?
03:16<Haddock>praetorian: :D
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03:17<Haddock>Assuming that the backups are of entire disk images, they will presumably be stored as separate disk images (?). Will I need to make allowance for this?
03:17<@heckman>If you ever need to restore one, yes.
03:19<Haddock>righto
03:19<bob2>you need enough space to restore the whole backup afaik
03:19<bob2>ie another unused linode account or to have only partitioned at most 50% of avaialble space
03:19<Haddock>ah
03:20<Cypher100>Linode haves a backup services for $5 a month
03:20<marius>$5 if your on a 512 node yes
03:21<Haddock>I see. Thanks.
03:21*Haddock will first set up his rsync backups and then take it from there.
03:21*Haddock has a couple of 5$ VPS-es for this :|
03:24*Haddock is surprised that most people are running Ubuntu on their Linodes.
03:24<@heckman>Debian<3
03:24<Haddock>and its bastard children? :D
03:24<rnowak>It starts with debian, and it ends with debian!
03:24<@heckman>Debian = Server <3 | Ubuntu = Desktop/Netbook/Notebook <3
03:25<Haddock>heh
03:25<rnowak>Debian = * <3 these days
03:25<@heckman>The girlfriend wants to learn Linux and was playing with Ubuntu Server. And I was like 'Oh Hai, here's Debian'
03:26<czr>it's pretty close
03:26<czr>esp if you start with just cli install
03:26<rnowak>speaking of desktop, man what have they done to gnome3
03:27<czr>I think they want for more people to use KDE
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04:27<linbot>New news from forums: iPhone app enhancement request in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6435>
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05:41<praetorian>!avail-lon
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05:41<praetorian>!avail-uk
05:41<linbot>praetorian: London512 - 152, London768 - 77, London1024 - 49, London1536 - 38, London2048 - 12, London4096 - 4, London8192 - 2, London12288 - 2, London16384 - 2, London20480 - 2
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05:51<chesty>!avail-urmom
05:51*linbot slaps SelfishMan
05:58<GLaDOSDan>:3
05:58<GLaDOSDan>!urmom
05:58<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so ugly she couldnt get straterra to play with her! (737:19/1) [urmmo]
05:58<@heckman>!vote up 737
05:58<@heckman>hrm, I forget the command D:
06:00<praetorian>!upvote
06:00<praetorian>neg
06:00<@heckman>!urmom vote up 737
06:00<linbot>heckman: Voted up 737 [mmoru]
06:00<@ericoc>\o/
06:00<praetorian>!urmom vote up heckman
06:00<linbot>praetorian: Yo mommas so big, she knocked Mir out of orbit (805:0/6) [mroum]
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06:22<JediMaster>anyone here use stackscripts?
06:22<JediMaster>I'm trying to include another stack script that I'm using as a sort of library of bash functions but it's not getting included
06:23<JediMaster>I'm using: # <ssinclude StackScriptID="1234">
06:23<JediMaster>where 1234 is the id at the top of the page where I edit my other stack script
06:23<JediMaster>should the ssinclude be the very first line or after the sherbang #!/bin/bash line?
06:24<JediMaster>ahhh, think I've got it, need to source it
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06:39<Jaan_P>hey everybody
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06:39<Jaan>anybody knows why apache uses too many resources?
06:39<JediMaster>hey doctor nick!
06:40<JediMaster>because it's not Nginx
06:40<Jaan>yeah, it's not litespeed too
06:40<Jaan>but..
06:40<JediMaster>seriously though, if you're running php for instance it will drain memory
06:40<Jaan>http://pastebin.com/d8v3BeHF
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06:41<JediMaster>nginx + php-fpm is a much better combination if you're short on memory, moved all our servers over to that and they all use about 1/4 to 1/3 of the memory
06:42<MrYiff>nginx + php-fpm + apc makes even the crappiest of wordpress installs fly for me
06:42<JediMaster>yeah apc helps too
06:43<JediMaster>I also use memcache as well (apc for the php speed up but not for the caching)
06:44<MrYiff>plus the nginx configuration is so much simpler than apache, can't believe i never moved over sooner tbh
06:45<Jaan>im just wondering what takes that much ram.. :|
06:45<JediMaster>so far I've not found anything that apache can do (that I need) that nginx can't, and better
06:45<JediMaster>Jaan: php
06:45<JediMaster>you could setup apache+php-fpm to save ram
06:45<JediMaster>but might as wel go for nginx
06:45<JediMaster>+l
06:45<MrYiff>php for sure if you are using apaches mod_php
06:46<MrYiff>as it will load php for every visitor regardless of whether they actually need a php file
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06:49<JediMaster>yay, including/sourcing my nice large stackscript library of functions is working =)
06:54<Jaan>:D
06:54<Jaan>i made a program that splits files that has millions of rows
06:54<linbot>New news from forums: IP Tables Error in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6981>
06:54<Jaan>i needed 1 for 14mil list :D and it cut it into 500k pieces in 5 seconds using only 15mb ram
06:56<dominikh>I bet head/tail and output redirection could do it!
06:56<czr>15MiB of ram to split files is.. rather excessive
06:56<czr>why so much?
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06:57<dominikh>:>
06:57<Jaan>it's not much compared to some other windows programs that split files :D
06:57<Jaan>most of them crash @ 1 mil
06:57<czr>why would anyone compare anything sane to that?
06:57<dominikh>>load all into ram
06:57<czr>you didn't answer my question :-)
06:57<Jaan>hell no
06:57<dominikh>why the fuck else would they crash
06:57<Jaan>that file was 980mb
06:57<czr>because the can
06:57<czr>they even
06:58<czr>plus everyone knows that they will crash anyway, so they must.
06:58<Jaan>i used scrapebox, only scrapebox itself used 1.5GB ram because of that list.. and when it was almost done loading it.. it crashed
06:58<czr>why don't you just use split?
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06:59<Jaan>you mean that linux one ?
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06:59<dominikh>ye
06:59<czr>no, gnu coreutils one.
07:00<Jaan>i have win7.. i know you can run some stuff on windows too , but i thought i might create my own
07:00<czr>ah.
07:00<czr>so all this for a windows problem? sad.
07:00<dominikh>:D
07:00<Jaan>btw it was 14mil .txt file full of links :D
07:01<czr>that's rather small. isn't 1 mil = 1/100 inch?
07:01<dominikh>:D
07:01<Jaan>:|
07:01<czr>ah sorry. 1/1000 inch.
07:01<MrYiff>just run it via cygwin maybe?
07:01<Jaan>http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rNtF7HnCzrY/TNRzlFdTLjI/AAAAAAAAAXw/3yKpWL3vIrQ/s1600/trolling.jpg
07:01<czr>cygwin isn't worth it
07:01<czr>so many programs have issues on it.
07:02<MrYiff>maybe a bit excessive to just use one tool, but if it works :D
07:02<czr>Jaan, to answer your question "you can write a windows program that will solve a problem that wouldn't require writing programs on unix".
07:02<Jaan>that's what i did
07:02<czr>so you said.
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07:46<JediMaster>has anyone here got any sort of replicating filesystem working on a linode?
07:47<Deezire>drbd8, f.eks.?
07:47<JediMaster>I've obviously tried NFS but it's not ideal under high load and it's not really replicating either =)
07:48<JediMaster>last time I looked at drbd it wasn't in the mainstream kernel, but it is now I believe
07:49<czr>drbd is not a filesystem AFAIK
07:49<czr>JediMaster, you'd probably want encryption between the nodes before considering anything like this though
07:50<czr>either transparent ep-2-ep ipsec or something similar
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08:00<linbot>New news from forums: Send-only Exim4: frozen messages, no mail. in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6992>
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08:14<pati>Hi, Can I add extra storage to my Linode server?
08:14<pati>How much does it cost?
08:15<GLaDOSDan>!extras
08:15<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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08:47<AviMarcus>Hey Perihelion
08:48<AviMarcus>poke about nginx for the ubuntu nagios guide
08:50<@Perihelion>Shoot me a PM so I see it later when I rage about having too many windows open
08:50<@Perihelion>(I'm not at work yet :P)
09:07<dKingston>man
09:07<dKingston>i idle so much in this channel now
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09:10<straterra>3/win 22
09:15<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:22<Amy_>my linode seems to be running really slowly - ssh took a couple rl minutes to ask me my pass and it's another minute or two and it hasn't logged me in. i got a couple 400 errors while upgrading my wordpress install last night
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09:22<Amy_>now my wp site isn't loading at all, though others are
09:22<Amy_>any ideas?
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09:23<Focks>how do ou resize a linode's partition?
09:23<Focks>you*
09:23<Focks>dw
09:24<Karrde>Amy_: what's your load average? what do your graphs in the control panel say?
09:24<Karrde>Focks: control panel?
09:25<JshWright>Amy_: can you log in via lish?
09:25<Amy_>cpu, bts/sec and blocks/sec all spiked at 11 and again at 12
09:25<Amy_>er
09:25<Amy_>bits didn't spike a lot
09:26<Amy_>cpu is now around 20% and blocks/sec around14k
09:26<Amy_>both of which seem quite high
09:26<Amy_>i did log in with terminal, it went thru
09:26<JshWright>what does your memory usage look like?
09:27<Amy_>how do i check that?
09:27<JshWright>free -m
09:27<JshWright>I'm particularly interested in swap usage
09:27<JediMaster>anyone know of a util similar to ab that can use a list of random pages to benchmark/stress test a server?
09:27<JshWright>high io + slow system are signs that you're swapping
09:28<Amy_>k, typed the command, but it's slow returning the result, heh
09:28<JediMaster>I just did a ab with 8 connections for 3 minutes and got 9 requests per second solid on a huge magento website, really quite pleased, but want to try random pages to simulate more realistic traffic
09:28<Amy_>ok, 255 swap 255 used
09:29<Amy_>498 mem 493 used
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:29<Amy_>that doesn't sound good :p
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<JshWright>that's likely your issue
09:29<Amy_>dunno why i should be
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<JshWright>what all do you have running on this node?
09:29<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:29<JediMaster>the client's current 16 core 16GB ram not on linode gets 0.7 requests per second, a 4 core 4GB linode easily gets 9 requests per second on the same code, but with some tweaks to mysql and php =)
09:30<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:30<Amy_>one website that probably gets 8k hits/month, a few placeholder domains that get few to no hits
09:30<Haddock>jedimaster: nice
09:30<JshWright>Amy_: Apache?
09:30<Amy_>oh
09:30<Amy_>yeah
09:30<Amy_>and an aborted postfix
09:31<JshWright>so I assume it's running MySQL as well?
09:31<Haddock>amy: it could just be a runaway script or a mem leak. Try restarting httpd maybe?
09:31<Amy_>yes, and php
09:31<JshWright>restarting Apache should drop your memory usage a bit for now
09:31<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:31<Amy_>sorry to ask rather than look up, but i'm sure you guys know it off the top of your head: command for that?
09:31<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:31<straterra>Then sand it down, because it doesnt fit
09:32<JshWright>apache2ctl graceful
09:32<Haddock>Is anybody running Drupal (7) on their Linode?
09:33<Haddock>unintelligible smiley alert :D
09:33<JshWright>Amy_: once you've done that, we should take a look at your Apache config
09:33<Haddock>Drupal is killing you, spacehobo?
09:33<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:33<Haddock>aha !
09:33<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:33<Haddock>egad!
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09:34<Haddock>spacehobo: why the violence? Don't like the software or is it something else?
09:34<Amy_> /etc/init.d/apache2 restart, correct?
09:34<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:34<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:34<JshWright>Amy_: that'll work too
09:34<Amy_>k, thanks
09:34<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:34<Amy_>hate waking up to stuff like this
09:34<Amy_>i have to shower and be ready to go to a funeral in an hour
09:34<Haddock>spacehobo: ah, the node table? or is this CCK stuff?
09:35<Amy_>but noooo, i had to reflexively check the site
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09:35<DeaneVenske>Hi Guys
09:35<Haddock>hi
09:35<DeaneVenske>Is there a way to nickname a linod box?
09:35<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:35<JshWright>DeaneVenske: nickname it where?
09:35<Haddock>amy_: sorry to hear that
09:36<DeaneVenske>DOund it
09:36<DeaneVenske>*Found it
09:36<DeaneVenske>Sorry
09:36<Haddock>deanevenske: reverse dns
09:36<DeaneVenske>It's under settings... label
09:36<Haddock>?
09:36<Amy_>oh, that's okay, it's a neighborhood grandma
09:36<Amy_>didn't mean to tug at sympathies
09:36<Amy_>she was 95
09:36<DeaneVenske>No I just meant like give it a name that we can know what we're looking at in the console.
09:36<DeaneVenske>But label workes!
09:36<DeaneVenske>Argh Typo city
09:36<DeaneVenske>7:30am is too early after working till 5am!
09:36<JshWright>Amy_: are things a bit more responsive after restarting Apache?
09:36<Haddock>amy_: ah
09:37<Amy_>it's still restarting :)
09:37<JshWright>restarting the node might be a better option...
09:37<Amy_>ha, yup, got my email warning (just checked email) Your Linode, linode82185, has exceeded the notification threshold (1000) for disk io rate by averaging 2423.27 for the last 2 hours.
09:37<Amy_>okay, it's normal level responsive now
09:37<Haddock>spacehobo: to another instance? There are backup and migration modules (which I haven't used)
09:38<Haddock>There are also a bunch of scripts around IIRC and some drush support
09:38<Amy_>promise to help me troubleshoot for the real cause when i get back this afternoon? ;-)
09:38<JshWright>Amy_: reduce MaxClients in your Apache config
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09:38<Haddock>amy: it could have been caused by your wordpress upgrade.
09:39<Amy_>that was what i was wondering
09:39<Amy_>in fact
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09:39<Amy_>i'm going to disable the plugin it seemed to begin the trouble
09:39<Amy_>that*
09:39<Haddock>That'll be a good start.
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09:40<amitz>captain haddock.
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09:40<Amy_>what should i set maxclients at?
09:40<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:40<Amy_>234?
09:40<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:40<Amy_>234?
09:40<Amy_>er
09:40<Amy_>24?
09:41<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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09:42<JshWright>24's a decent starting place... what size node is this?
09:43<JshWright>I usually start at 15 on a 512 and bumb it up if the RAM usage warrants
09:43<Haddock>SpaceHobo: it just tracks which themes/modules are enabled and their settings. Since modules also provide fields for data etc., there is intermingling. Things seem to work for me.
09:43<JshWright>you'll also want to be sure to disable KeepAlives while you're in your Apache config file
09:43<linbot>New news from forums: cpu graph goes past 100% - whoa in /dev/random <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6991>
09:43<Amy_>the smallest node
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09:44<Haddock>In any case, I was wondering if anybody was running Drupal using nginx.
09:44<JshWright>yeah, 24 might still be high for a 512
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09:44<JshWright>you can serve a lot of traffic at 15 (especially with KeepAlives disabled)
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09:46<DeaneVenske>Keep Alives are evil
09:47<DeaneVenske>For about 95% of web apps
09:47<Amy_>thanks all for now
09:47<Amy_>off to get ready!
09:47<JshWright>They were a great thing 10 years ago
09:47<DeaneVenske>Yeah agreed.
09:47<DeaneVenske>My 56k modem loved them
09:47<DeaneVenske>:P
09:47<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:47*Haddock reads up on nginx vs. apache
09:47*nDuff looks forward to haproxy 1.5's support for doing keepalive at the load balancer
09:48<DeaneVenske>I remember when running linux as a gateway with compression on netted me 12k per second on text files
09:48<AviMarcus>Oh. talking about compression.
09:48<straterra>!isitme
09:48<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Hijacking by a Linode Member? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6978>
09:48<AviMarcus>I'm using rdiff-backup to backup my site remotely, but even rsync-snapshot.. they don't compress files at all when storing them
09:49<AviMarcus>do any of them, e.g. duplicity?
09:49<nDuff>Haddock, ...you might look at lighttpd and Cherokee while you're at it.
09:49<DeaneVenske>Agreed SpaceHobo until we're running Pentaflop machines for personal desktops there is now way we can handle more than 50 requests an hour! :P
09:49<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:49<nDuff>AviMarcus, ...the back of my head says that yes, duplicity does compression, but it's been over half a decade since I used it, and I don't trust the back of my head very much.
09:49<@mikegrb>lulz
09:49<AviMarcus>lol
09:50<Haddock>nDuff: Thanks
09:50<AviMarcus>I'm also slightly uneasey about using duplicity, it's in a bit of a proprietary format
09:50<nDuff>(duplicity does encryption, after all, and encryption without compression is silly -- you want to have as much information density as you can going in)
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09:50<DeaneVenske>Hahaha that brings back memories. Our ISP had a forced disconnect every 3hrs. The link negotiation sounds made me feel so nerdy
09:51<nDuff>AviMarcus, ...last time I had the problem, I used rdiff-backup, with an initial layer of compression from a compressor (don't remember which one) set to reset its state every time it hit a fairly short block size, such that it actually produced rsync-friendly files.
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09:51<AviMarcus>I don't understand what that means.
09:52<nDuff>AviMarcus, ...so, the rsync protocol takes advantage of binary similarities, but your typical compression algorithm maintains a bunch of state
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09:52<AviMarcus>binary similarity.. like a rolling checksum of parts of the file, rather than the whole file?
09:52<nDuff>AviMarcus, ...so compressed files often have local changes become _less local_ due to changes in the compressor state, making rsync/rdiff/xxdelta/whatnot less effective
09:53<AviMarcus>less local?
09:53<AviMarcus>I think I need to learn about compression :x
09:53*nDuff could explain better with a whiteboard.
09:53*nDuff has a whiteboard here.
09:53<AviMarcus>:)
09:53<linbot>New news from forums: customer wants "unlimited" transfer in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6562>
09:53<nDuff>...if you want to fly into Austin for a 5- or 10-minute chat... :)
09:53<robinetd>Everybody, turn your terminals white. nDuff is about to perform science!
09:54<nDuff>*grin*.
09:54<straterra>AviMarcus: You know when you fill your trash can..but you have more to put in..so you push it down reaaaally hard?
09:54<straterra>That's compression
09:55<@heckman>All this channel needs is a collaborative white board. I can't even imagine the content that would end up on there.
09:55<AviMarcus>heh
09:55<AviMarcus>kinda a far flight from Israel
09:55<AviMarcus>heckman, it would end up kinda repetitive
09:55<nDuff>AviMarcus, see http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/gzip.rsync.patch2
09:56<AviMarcus>I think the 2 most common things are: "for scaling, split the DB and server" and "oh, your OOM, cut apache's children"
09:56<AviMarcus>holy heck. Ok, I'll have a look through that.
09:56<AviMarcus>Gotta run - thx!
09:57<AviMarcus>duplicity website mentions nothing about compression
09:57<AviMarcus>oh, tar format.
09:57<AviMarcus>"Although you should never have to look at a duplicity archive manually, if the need should arise they can be produced and processed using GnuPG, rdiff, and tar." hmm, that's a relief.
09:57<nDuff>...well, tar is archival _only_, no compression at all, but GPG has some built-in compression support
09:58<nDuff>(as I mentioned before, encrypting things without compressing them is silly)
09:59<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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10:01<JshWright>you keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means...
10:01<@jed>inconceivable!
10:02<HoopyCat>we demand ordered and predictable increases in entropy!
10:02<mwalling>holy shit its jed
10:02<@jed>http://i.imgur.com/gWrXx.jpg ahahaha
10:02<@jed>oops, ww
10:02<pharaun>shalt we all vote in a new law that require dis HoopyCat :)
10:03<HoopyCat>!topic
10:03<linbot>Please stay on topic. You may feel free to move the discussion to #tardigans
10:03<pharaun>jed: i thought you were dead :o
10:03<mwalling>jed: thats a #WINNING picture
10:03<@jed>that was meant to be up-enter inconceivable :(
10:03<@jed>Moral: Always check before pushing <Enter>.
10:03<mwalling>!mwalling
10:03<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
10:03<mwalling>^^^
10:04<HoopyCat>mwalling understands the take-in-take-out public park
10:04<jackp>hi, I added a cronjob crontab -e and need to save the file. the default file name is /tmp/crontab... am i supposed to rename it or save it as is?
10:05<@irgeek>It don't change the name.
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10:05<@irgeek>crontab is waiting for your editor to exit. It will then move the file into place.
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10:06<robinetd>jed: Is that you? :3
10:07<@jed>NO
10:07<jackp>irgeek: thx
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10:11<cppman>...another outage?
10:12<czr>jackp, you're not supposed to rename the file.
10:12<czr>once you exit the editor that crontab -e started for you, it will move the file into the correct place for you
10:12<czr>however, it sounds rather odd that it uses /tmp/crontab.
10:12<@jed>cppman: everything looks fine, what's up?
10:12<cppman>jed: freemont
10:12<@jed>PING fremont1.linode.com (64.71.152.17): 56 data bytes
10:12<@jed>64 bytes from 64.71.152.17: icmp_seq=0 ttl=48 time=91.145 ms
10:13<JshWright>cppman: have you run mtr or something like that to confirm the issue is on the DC end of things?
10:15<HoopyCat>("another"?)
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10:20<jackp>czr: is there an error log for cronjobs? i know that it normally emails, but i haven't configured postfix yet so i turned emailing off with dev>null
10:23<czr>email is the error reporting
10:23<czr>however, you might check your regular system logs (daemon or cron, depending on distro) for messages
10:26<swaj>mm I want to reboot for the new kernel and adding a private IP, but I don't want to lose my uptime :P
10:26<Karrde>nerd
10:26<swaj>indeed
10:27<swaj>aren't we all?
10:27<Karrde>huh. I'm up to 305 days up.
10:27<jackp>czr: squeeze. i see /var/log/daemon, so i assume it's that one. nothing there, but the job definitely didn't run. it does run when run as part of logrotate, so i assume the issue is a needed change in the syntax structure
10:27<swaj>I'm only at 70... last reboot was for a second public IP :P
10:28<@Perihelion>My Linode is on the bestest host ever.
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10:28<@Perihelion>zomgirc@mail:~$ uptime 14:28:24 up 461 days, 22:47, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
10:28<@Perihelion>Street cred.
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10:29<swaj>Perihelion: do you guys use ksplice to keep from having to reboot host machines for kernel updates?
10:29<@Perihelion>I can't really talk about our infrastructure :<
10:30<swaj>QQ
10:30<@Perihelion>O_O
10:30<@jed>in my personal opinion, ksplice is dumb
10:30<@Perihelion>In *my* personal opinion, jed is dumb.
10:30<@Perihelion><3
10:30<@jed>that's an opinion
10:30<@jed>?
10:30<chesty>!jed
10:30<linbot>binary packages vs. source packages. GO!
10:30<robinetd>Perihelion: It's an sekrit?
10:30<@Perihelion>I never said that my opinions were not based on facts.
10:31<@Perihelion>robinetd: sekrit
10:31<d-b>!jedi
10:31<swaj>I know you guys use local storage, so you're def. not using XenMotion to keep nodes running.... the only other thing I can think of is just running ancient kernels on your hosts, but that seems unlikely.
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10:31<d-b>swaj: linode uses magical gnomes and maybe even ksplice
10:32<amitz>swaj: linode is run a mainframe with virtualized hosts that virtualized vps.
10:32<@Perihelion>Actually in the cloud there is no kernel
10:32<@Perihelion>The kernel is a lie
10:32<amitz>-d
10:32<@mikegrb>lulz
10:32<swaj>lol
10:32<@Perihelion>TO THE CLOUD
10:32<d-b>Perihelion: :P
10:32*Perihelion 's desk does a barrel roll
10:32<chesty>when was the last remote kernel exploit that affected sshd?
10:32<chesty>!cloud
10:32<linbot>I'm leaving linode for the cloud
10:32<@Perihelion>But linbot! Linode IS the cloud.
10:33<d-b>chesty: i don't know the matrix came out in like 2002?
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10:33<@Perihelion>We're totally cloud hipsters. We were the cloud before it was cool.
10:33<d-b>and they are planning on making more of them right? so i guess that means more ssh exploits
10:33<d-b>because trinity has to use a ssh 0day right?
10:33<swaj>for realz
10:33<robinetd>That movie sucked.
10:33<swaj>robinetd: blasphemy
10:33<chesty>it's a documentary, dumbbum
10:34<@Perihelion>:o
10:34<d-b>yeah didn't you know?
10:34<d-b>it is real
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10:34<swaj>robinetd: 2 and 3 left much to be desired, but the first Matrix movie was awesome :P
10:34<robinetd>swaj: They all left something to be desired: Entertainment.
10:34<swaj>o_O
10:34<swaj>are you a java developer?
10:35<d-b>haahahah
10:35<robinetd>You want amitz, not me.
10:35<d-b>just because there are no jars with beans in them
10:35<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:35<d-b>what's the .net version of java beans?
10:35<robinetd>SpaceHobo: No, but I live on the Enterprise.
10:35<swaj>a DLL?
10:35<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:35<d-b>swaj: nah
10:35<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:36<swaj>SpaceHobo: nah, I agree. Godfather 3 was terrible.
10:36<robinetd>So were the first two.
10:36<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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10:36<d-b>i think robinetd doesn't actually watch these movies
10:36<swaj>SpaceHobo: Like I said above, 2 and 3 were bad, but the first one rocked :)
10:37<robinetd>d-b: I wish. Then I wouldn't have wasted 20 hours of my life.
10:37<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:37<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:37<d-b>robinetd: ha!
10:37*amitz sheds a happy tear, people still remember **********.
10:37<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:37<d-b>inb4 ghost in the shell
10:37<@Perihelion>Of course people remember **********.
10:37<swaj>SpaceHobo: so there were only 3 star wars movies then, right?
10:37<@Perihelion>Yes.
10:37<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:37<robinetd>Six, and all of them rocked hardcore.
10:38<chesty>yeah, the killed the whole thing when they replaced the oracle actor
10:38<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:38<swaj>robinetd: you don't get to comment on movies anymore... the "second" trilogy was rubbish :)
10:38<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:38<d-b>there were follow up books and tv series
10:38<robinetd>swaj: You're rubbish.
10:39<swaj>so you hate Godfather and The Matrix, but Star Wars Episodes 1-3 "rocked hardcore" -- gotcha :P
10:39<Cromulent>Are there any Mapserver + Nginx users here at all?
10:40<robinetd>swaj: And 4-6.
10:40<swaj>4-6 were amazing, no argument there :)
10:40<swaj>but 1-3 were all abominations
10:40<mwalling>hunter2
10:40<robinetd>the godfather was just talking for 9 hours.
10:40<JshWright>Cromulent: nginx, yes... mapserver, no
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10:40<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:40<Cromulent>JshWright: ah :) nginx is the easy bit :)
10:40<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:41<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:41<straterra>SpaceHobo: Even keanu reeves has limits!
10:41<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:41<d-b>SpaceHobo: yeah but he needs more bouncing
10:41<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:42<swaj>"I know kung-fu"
10:42<SpaceHobo><redacted>
10:42<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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10:54<kavisaku>hi all..i am new to Linode
10:54<tjfontaine>welcome
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10:55<kavisaku>I have installed CentOS X86 with paravirt Kernel...When i restart the iptables, I get the following error
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10:55<tjfontaine>iptables/netfilter is built into the kernel, so you don't need to worry about the modules
10:55<kavisaku>Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: security raw nat mangle fi[FAILED]
10:55<tjfontaine>hmm
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10:56<kavisaku>http://pastebin.linode.com/5181 -sysconfig/iptables
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10:56<kavisaku>http://pastebin.linode.com/5184 -init.d/iptables
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10:59<kavisaku>@tjfontaine, thank you for looking into the error
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11:01<tjfontaine>kavisaku: unfortunately I don't use centos or bother doing manual iptables, I usually use shorewall or ufw
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11:02<JshWright>ufwftw
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11:02<swaj>ufw is pretty damn nice
11:02<atourino>urmom is pretty damn nice as well
11:03<atourino><3
11:03<swaj>hey thanks, my mom is nice :)
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11:03<kavisaku>thank you...i will try to see the alternatives to manual ruling
11:04<atourino>kavisaku: it's the sanest thing to do most of the time
11:04<swaj>manual iptables makes my brain hurt
11:06<swaj>I <3 rdio
11:06<kavisaku>i am using webmin...there are a few modules avaiable like iptables firewall, small firewall and turtle firewall..any recommendations for Centos X86? thank you
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11:10<Haddock>Incidentally, why is there a recommendation for 32bit OS-es on the Linode install screen?
11:10<JshWright>because 64bit uses more memory
11:10<@jed>because most people don't need 64-bit
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11:11<atourino>most probably due to the fact that 64 bits is meant to address memory over 4GB...
11:11<@jed>well, not solely, but yes
11:11<@jed>JshWright: 140 reqs/sec under mod_wsgi meh or yay?
11:11<@jed>I don't have anything to benchmark against, and it's DB-driven
11:11<JshWright>depends on what it's bottlenecking on, but for a "simple" app, that's "meh"
11:12<JshWright>sounds like you need some... caching!
11:12<@jed>oh, yeah, this is even before caching
11:12<@jed>that's straight python entrances
11:12<JshWright>for a non-cached app that hitting a DB, 140 reqs/sec is pretty reasonable IME
11:12<Haddock>jshwright: I see
11:12<Haddock>thanks
11:13*jed goes forth to cache
11:13<atourino>why would you hit the DB? it's done nothing wrong :(
11:13<Haddock>It doesn't mind some light SM :|
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11:14<dominikh>I've seen the DB, it deserves all hitting it can get
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11:16<pharaun>and it likes it too
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11:26<czr>it even spontaunously rolls back so that you can hit it again and again
11:26<sadesh>when i run modprobe ppp-compress-18 && echo ok, I get the following error "FATAL: Module ppp_mppe not found."
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11:28<czr>sadesh, if you're running ubuntu, what does this command print for you: ls -la /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/ppp_mppe.ko
11:28<czr>(copy paste it verbatim, it's important to get the quotes right)
11:28<sadesh>@ czr, I am running Centos - 32bit
11:29<czr>ah. not sure whether the module paths are the same on centos.
11:29<chesty>if it's a linode kernel, it doesn't have any modules
11:29<czr>then there's that too
11:30<czr>sadesh, try this: zgrep MPPE /proc/config.gz
11:30<czr>what does it print out_
11:30<czr>out? even.
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11:31<sadesh>CONFIG_PPP_MPPE=y
11:31<czr>so, the feature has built into the kernel
11:31<czr>there is no need to use modprobe to load the driver.
11:31<czr>the driver is already present.
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11:31<sadesh>so, i don't have to worry about the error
11:31<czr>nope. just comment the line if you like
11:31<czr>or replace it with echo "ok" :-)
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11:32<czr>assuming it's in some script.
11:32<czr>if not, nevermind.
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11:33<sadesh>i am trying to install pptp here...my openvpn works fine, but the pptp is not connecting to the internet
11:33<sadesh>i wonder if this module is causing the trouble
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11:33<sadesh>@ czr...replacing it with "ok" is an excellent idea to be bug free
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11:34<czr>I wasn't trying to be sarcastic
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11:34<czr>some scripts print out stuff like "Loading drivers" first, and then depending on the outcome of the load, they would echo "ok" or "failure".
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11:37<sadesh>@ czr, honestly, I am a noob in Linux..no idea to echo where :(
11:38<sadesh>my thread in linode forum with pastebin of iptables configurations
11:38<sadesh>http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?p=38286#38286
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11:42*Obsidian|server notices the forum url, smells phpBB by the URL structure
11:42<Obsidian|server>phpBB2? D:
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11:54<linbot>New news from forums: Web site responds to lixxx.members.com address in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6834>
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12:28<linbot>New news from forums: iPhone app enhancement request in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6435>
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12:53<userFixnum>Hi-- I just moved to the Ubuntu 10.10 image with 2.6.38-linode31 kernel, and I noticed that iptables recent matching is no longer working. Is there a simple way to find/install the corresponding xt_* kernel modules for this Linode kernel?
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13:01<Obsidian|server>clever trick there on the forums to stop registration spam
13:01<Obsidian|server>basic http auth
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13:03<JshWright>it's a little too clever for some...
13:04<Obsidian|server>heh
13:04<Obsidian|server>I've been playing around with antispam methods of my own. Looking into "field juggling" at the moment, still experimental.
13:04<JshWright>http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=2105
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13:05<Obsidian|server>XD
13:05<Obsidian|server>usually though, that makes most people freak out
13:07<Obsidian|server>I know that when I've seen people hit that in the past, they usually back away from their computer slowly
13:08<pharaun>how bout putting up a terminal session with something compiling? :)
13:08<Obsidian|server>Oh that's fun
13:08<pharaun>I have had roommates running up to me panicking and gibbering about how my computer is going to blow up :o
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13:09<GLaDOSDan>Is the manager down?
13:09<Obsidian|server>My favorite was when I was running a brute-force attack demonstration script
13:09<GLaDOSDan>nvm
13:09<Obsidian|server>"oh god it's like the matrix except the letters aren't falling down"
13:09<pharaun>GLaDOSDan: pebkac?
13:09<GLaDOSDan>yep
13:10*Obsidian|server kicks the captcha on the forums
13:10<Obsidian|server>Case sensitive? ARGH.
13:10<pharaun>Obsidian|server: hah, try dwarf fortress :) i no longer see ascii, i see dwarf, i see wall, i see goblin, etc... :>
13:10<Obsidian|server>or use irssi in a full-screen terminal
13:10<Obsidian|server>you'll be accused of being a hacker near instantly
13:11<pharaun>but seriously man, i think i am going to have to use that trick (on the forum) if i ever enable blog comments :o
13:11<JshWright>yeah... my brother-in-law calls it "Josh's black screen computer thing"
13:11<Obsidian|server>pharaun: there's less intrusive methods tbh
13:11<JshWright>someone at the fire station asked why "Wvery time I see you on you're computer, it's a black screen with lots of text"
13:12<Obsidian|server>JshWright: "I'm just old school"
13:12<JshWright>wow... s/Wvery/Every/ s/you're/your/
13:12<pharaun>i once had to ssh into my computer from a friend house and he would stand there and look around like 0_0 cos he was worried his parents would yell at us for "hacking" the computer .... I was checking email :p
13:12<pharaun>Obsidian|server: nah, its very effective reading understanding filter :)
13:13<Obsidian|server>if you've got a blog aimed at people that should know better, yeah
13:13<JshWright>yeah, that's usually the point where I point out that "hacking" doesn't generally look anything like that nowadays, and open up firesheep
13:13<pharaun><3 firesheep
13:13<vraa>you guys have wireless adapters that work with firesheep?
13:13<pharaun>don't buy shit adapters :o
13:14<vraa>they come with the laptop :( intel integrated
13:14<pharaun>mini-pci ? can replace those you know :)
13:15<HoopyCat>$10 ought to get you a USB fob you can use for occasions like that
13:16*Obsidian|server smacks SamT
13:16<vraa>i might get the usb adapter, i found some but they were so epxensive
13:16<vraa>airopeek compatible etc
13:17<linbot>New news from forums: MaxClients and MaxRequestsPerChild on MPM Prefork in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6964>
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13:18<Obsidian|server>heh
13:18<Obsidian|server>just showed a friend what a bash fork bomb looks like
13:18<Obsidian|server>their mind is blown
13:18<vraa>what's that?
13:18<Obsidian|server>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_bomb#Examples
13:19<Obsidian|server>full explanation is above that area, top of the page
13:19<pharaun>tho on some thinkpads they have a bios thing that will disable it if its not a white-listed card i think
13:19<jackp>question, when doing ls -l what is the first number, after the permissions, but before the user and group
13:19<vraa>lmao i am reading this, this is hilarious wont this crash your computer?
13:19<vraa>i have a thinkpad, i hate it, i love it so much but i hate it at the same time
13:19<vraa>thinkpads are poor people macs
13:19<Obsidian|server>vraa: depending on how you have it setup, it can
13:19<Obsidian|server>fork bombs are fun in virtual machines :>
13:20<Obsidian|server>or on old computers that you use as home test servers
13:20<pharaun>yeah, i currently have a cardbus wifi card, should get a usbfob someday cos that is going away, i don't see it on my new work laptop at all
13:20<pharaun><3 his ath0 card :> i pull it out whenever i need to do some mad wifi hacking
13:20<pharaun>:(){:|:&}; : if memory serves right?
13:20<pharaun>YES! i remembered right! \o/
13:20<pharaun>jackp: ain dis -> drwxr-xr-x 7<--? paul paul
13:20<jackp>pharaun: yes, what is the 7 for?
13:21*Obsidian|server googles, first answer has nothing clear
13:21<HoopyCat>jackp: for normal files, i believe it to be the number of hardlinks to that file
13:22<pharaun>i think so too, that was my first reaction, but i'm not sure for directories
13:22<nDuff>depends on your ls. Could also be the uid if there's no mapping to a username.
13:22<nDuff>jackp, ls is OS-specific -- which is why if you ask over in #bash, they tell you never, ever to write scripts that parse it.
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13:22<pharaun>eh if there is no mapping to the name it should be like (perm) num uid gid whatever
13:22<Obsidian|server>"After the permissions comes the number of links to the file."
13:22<HoopyCat>yes, it is OS-specific, but i'm assuming linux in this case :-)
13:23<Obsidian|server>looks like HoopyCat is right
13:23<nDuff>jackp, ...if you want to extract info about a file, the stat command is your friend.
13:23<HoopyCat>i'm pretty sure i'm right for *files*, but what does it mean for *directories*?
13:23<nDuff>...if you want to extract information about a file _portably_, #bash generally recommends using perl. :(
13:23<nDuff>HoopyCat, number of subdirectories, effectively.
13:23<pharaun>oh really?
13:23<nDuff>HoopyCat, directories still have hardlinks to them, as ".." in their subdirectories, and "." from themselves.
13:23<HoopyCat>ooh, that makes sense
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13:24<pharaun>nDuff: \o/ nice always was wondering about that number in relation to directories
13:25<adnc>hello, was there today a network problem with newark linodes?
13:25<pharaun>mine is still up
13:25<jackp>yes, linux, debian squeeze, but for directories, it has to be something other than the number of subdirectories
13:25<pharaun>jackp: why?
13:25<HoopyCat>adnc: not that i know of or have heard of... "mtr" might help isolate the problem
13:26<pharaun>adnc: as in caker's fav quote "there's lots of internet between you and linode" :)
13:26<jackp>pharaun: because that's not the case with the directories i'm looking at
13:26<HoopyCat>jackp: it seems to match for the directories i'm looking at... you're keeping in mind that . and .. add to that total, right?
13:26<Obsidian|server>jackp: are you counting . and .. at the same time?
13:26<adnc>pharaun, yes sure, but I got a mail notification of monitorus that shows half an hour down time. I'll check the logs
13:26<jackp>but, as long as it's not a permissions indicator of any sort, i don't think it gives any info to solve my problem
13:27<HoopyCat>jackp: it probably doesn't give you any useful information, that is true
13:27<linbot>New news from forums: Hostname and FQDN?? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6988>
13:28<pharaun>adnc: it can also be internets between monitor and linode :)
13:28<adnc>pharaun, what are you trying to say?
13:28<HoopyCat>the internet is usually broken
13:28<Obsidian|server>it could be a routing issue between the monitor itself and linode
13:28<adnc>pharaun, shall I not ask my provider kindly for network downs?
13:28<HoopyCat>(somewhere, at least)
13:28<Obsidian|server>I think that's what he's trying to say
13:29<pharaun>dis :)
13:29*Obsidian|server stops chewing on internet wiring and looks up at HoopyCat
13:29<pharaun>basically anything that is not on linode and reports something being broken, can be 1) something wrong at linode or 2) something wrong between them and linode, or 3) something wrong with them :p
13:30<adnc>exact
13:30<Obsidian|server>The best thing to do is use redundancy with monitoring
13:30<Obsidian|server>have either serveral services monitoring uptime, or if one service offers multiple uptime monitor locations, go with that
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13:31<Obsidian|server>a physical separation is key
13:31<HoopyCat>adnc: you can, but most of the time (esp. for short ones like that) it's somewhere between the two providers, and minor enough to the place in the middle that it's one of a hundred problems they fix on a given day
13:31<adnc>the problem can not be of linode, my mailserver did accept mails at that time
13:31<pharaun>i like munin on/near my linode, then some other monitoring solution :)
13:31<adnc>sure thats an option
13:31<pharaun>again like caker likes to say "there's lots of internet" :)
13:32<Obsidian|server>heck, get a friend to host an uptime monitoring script on their own server for ya
13:32<Obsidian|server>setup a small uptime check network between several people
13:32<adnc>yes, but I like linode and the people here. I think it is fair to ask and get a kind answer
13:32<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: that's probably what triggered the alarm in the first place :-P
13:32<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: possibly
13:34<vraa>i use munin but one time it stopped updating and i had no idea what was going on
13:35<vraa>and the date on the graphs is so tiny, i had no idea it stopped monitoring for like a week
13:35<HoopyCat>not sure the answers were unkind, 'tho we do tend to hunger for more data on stuff like this
13:35<vraa>then my vps ran outta disk space and everything went to hell
13:35<pharaun>adnc: we're not being unkind, we just see this lots :) so was just pointing it out, anyway, on a serious note, if you seriously think the network issue is at linode, please run a "mtr" then submit a ticket
13:35<pharaun>the ops/staff will really like to know
13:35<Obsidian|server>vraa: log file overflow? o_O
13:36<vraa>precisely, logrotate failed to run
13:36<pharaun>sounds like it
13:36<Obsidian|server>woo!
13:36<vraa>i had to do a force logrotate and that cleared up 65% free space
13:36<Obsidian|server>...impressive
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13:36<vraa>munin still does'nt work though, but i think that's becaues i chmodded everything to root..... on accident
13:36<pharaun>.....
13:37<Obsidian|server>chmodded to root? wait, what
13:37<vraa>not chmodded, i meant chowned
13:37<Obsidian|server>ah
13:37<vraa>sorry i am still a linux noob
13:37<pharaun>clearly ;)
13:37<vraa>i mean ubuntu noob :)
13:37*Obsidian|server greps apache logs, starts hunting for more requests from the "ZmEu" nub
13:38<Obsidian|server>Hmm, April 18th was the last day it attacked
13:38<Obsidian|server>looks like the box is finally in the clear
13:38<Obsidian|server>...or not
13:39<Obsidian|server>You'd think these script kiddies would use obscure useragents and not announce their presence when they're hunting for phpMyAdmin
13:39<Obsidian|server>useragent of "Toata dragostea mea pentru iEdi"
13:39<pharaun>lemme guess, he was from china?
13:39<Obsidian|server>really?
13:39<Obsidian|server>Uhh, it's been from several servers actually
13:40<Obsidian|server>one burst was from a texas-based dedi-server host, one burst from portugal
13:40<Obsidian|server>and this latest attack si from sweden
13:40<pharaun>hahaha what did you do to piss the guy off
13:41<Obsidian|server>Not sure, I think it's just someone trolling the waters looking to rebuild their botnet
13:41<Obsidian|server>The attacks just started appearing in our logs after moving from our previous host to linode
13:42<Obsidian|server>probably the IP address itself being targeted, I'd bet
13:42<pharaun>ah, probably
13:43<Obsidian|server>time to add another useragent to the apache ban list then
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13:44<Obsidian|server>helps if I can spell "BrowserMatchNoCase" right
13:46<fo0bar>caker: heh, so I bought two hotel analog phones off ebay (what can I say, it's a hobby). turns out they're from the Opryland
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14:11<jackp>i've successful gotten the crons to run, now i'm trying to define the email address info is sent to. i'm not sure where the default email is defined or how to redefine it, so i'm trying to set external email address. i know to use MAILTO:user@domain.tld do all of the crons have to use the same mailto address if they're run under the same user?
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14:17<jackp>nm got it
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14:41<AviMarcus>I'm curious if anyone wrote a nagios plugin using the linode API for monitoring your bandwidth usage
14:41<JshWright>the API doesn't provide you with bandwidth usage information
14:41<JshWright>so... no
14:41<AviMarcus>oh.
14:41<AviMarcus>that's silly
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14:42<AviMarcus>doesn't seem to be anything else helpful in there
14:42<AviMarcus>from a monitoring point of view
14:42<praetorian>byo :)
14:43<JshWright>it wasn't really built for monitoring, it was built for managing
14:43<AviMarcus>iptables and reset it each month?
14:44<praetorian>there are a million ways to monitor bandwidth
14:44<praetorian>from mrtg to.. .whatever :)
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14:45<AviMarcus>hmm. any suggestions for something that would be the simplest to integrate into nagios?
14:46<Captain_Intern>I can run IRC bots off my linode correct?
14:47<jkwood>If they're bothering you, sure.
14:47<jkwood>Though I'd question how they got there in the first place.
14:47<AviMarcus>hehe
14:47<Captain_Intern>Nice answer. Kudos.
14:47<AviMarcus>Yes, you are allowed to run anything that isn't illegal
14:48<Captain_Intern>Just double checking.
14:48<AviMarcus>the atlanta datacenter may or may not be filtering port 6667 and port 6669
14:48<@Praefectus>they do
14:48<AviMarcus>OK. So if you're in Atlanta, you'll have to use another port
14:48<AviMarcus>if you're not, then no problem
14:48<Captain_Intern>I remembered that - I just couldn't remember if they blocked IRC bots all together.
14:49<AviMarcus>you can make something against TOS and ban accounts, but you can't really "block" geeks from doing stuff :)
14:50<praetorian>try and run a poker site.
14:50*praetorian gives you 10 minutes
14:50<praetorian>:p
14:51<AviMarcus>I don't see "gambling" or "poker" in the linode TOS
14:51<nDuff>laws-of-the-relevant-country
14:51<AviMarcus>ah
14:51<@Praefectus>AviMarcus: us gov shut down pokerstars and another poker site
14:51<Tormin>use the london datadcenter
14:51<AviMarcus>or german, dutch, etc [not from linode though :( ]
14:51<@Praefectus>Tormin: Linode is a US company, so regardless of where our servers are, we're bound by US law
14:52<Tormin>ahh
14:52<pharaun>Praefectus: plus the law of UK when it comes to the london dc?
14:52<AviMarcus>uhh why is a VPS signup company asking me for 2 nameservers?
14:52<AviMarcus>there's no domain associated
14:52<@Praefectus>are they providing you with a cpanel license?
14:53<AviMarcus>don't think so
14:53<AviMarcus>$15/yr that would be quite a steal
14:53<praetorian>cLOLpanel
14:53<@mikegrb>lulz
14:53<@Praefectus>i know who your goin with LOL
14:53<@Praefectus>128mb vps right?
14:53<AviMarcus>no, 256 openvz
14:54<AviMarcus>I missed the buyvm one from 2 days ago
14:54<pharaun>eh, what for?
14:54<AviMarcus>vazapi
14:54<AviMarcus>the HD space, heh
14:54<SamT>OpenVS is terrible, never do VPSs with it
14:54<SamT>*OpenVZ
14:54<pharaun>AviMarcus: amazon s3 ?
14:54<AviMarcus>yeah, s3 is an option
14:55<@Praefectus>openvz is used by many many budget vps providers
14:55<pharaun>plus with cheap disks/san it can make your vps i/o really shitty
14:55<SamT>Yeah, and you get what you pay for.
14:55<@Praefectus>^
14:55<SamT>Trust me on that, from someone who moved to Linode from one.
14:55<praetorian>caveat emptor
14:55<pharaun>hence i tend to recommend linode + s3
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14:55*nDuff doesn't think there's anything wrong with OpenVZ as a technology (as long as one understands what one is getting)
14:56<AviMarcus>hmm. If I'm using 2x backup servers to make sure it lasts, then that ends up being more than s3
14:56*Praefectus used to work for a few companies who used vz/openvz for their vps crap
14:56<AviMarcus>hmm, I suppose I'll skip this one then
14:56<praetorian>how did linode ever hire you
14:56<praetorian>:o
14:56*pharaun uses openvz at home for his vm and it works *great* but again i am using it more alike to a "chroot" thing
14:56<@Praefectus>cuz i been around the block, Linode wanted in on the action
14:56<AviMarcus>somehow google is charging 2c/gb
14:57<praetorian>Praefectus: funny, thats what she said
14:57<JshWright>you've worked for a "few" companies? aren't you in your early 20's?
14:57<@mikegrb>lulz
14:57<@Praefectus>lol
14:57<@Praefectus>JshWright: 32
14:57<praetorian>hes 45.
14:57<AviMarcus>can you use rsync-snapshot with s3?
14:57<pharaun>no
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14:57<JshWright>huh... never would have guessed 30's
14:57<AviMarcus>hmm. nor rdiff-backup.
14:58<pharaun>AviMarcus: well, not directly, but you can like "treat the s3" as a filesystem via fuse/etc but
14:58<pharaun>that's going to be really slow and icky
14:58<AviMarcus>duplicity I suppose is what everyone uses for backup to s3?
14:58<pharaun>use a dedicated s3 software, i use jets3t myself
14:58<@Praefectus>JshWright: most ppl dont
14:58<pharaun>with its synchronization util
14:58<pharaun>Praefectus: you have a good age :)
14:58<praetorian>looking at you from here, you dont look a day over 31
14:58<praetorian>turn to the left
14:59*Praefectus hit 32 on march 31
14:59<AviMarcus>it's also for google storage?
14:59<AviMarcus>oh funny. I turned 23 on march 30th
14:59<@mikegrb>lulz
14:59<@Praefectus>lol
14:59<pharaun><- 26 in may
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15:00<praetorian>i watched something the other day and there was a comment 'when were you born' and the person said '1991 or something
15:00<praetorian>and the person just signed
15:00<AviMarcus>hmm, google storage
15:01<pharaun>just use s3 for pete's sake :p
15:01<praetorian>just register alot of gmail accounts
15:01<praetorian>(!)
15:01<@mikegrb>lulz
15:01<AviMarcus>lol
15:01<AviMarcus>isn't that kind of hard to back up to?
15:01<pharaun>what is? :p
15:02<pharaun>i use jets3t and synchronization to copy my archives to s3
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15:02<praetorian>p2p-bit torrent style hosting
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15:02<pharaun>will be neat if someday we can have a global p2p pool of DHT for storage \o/
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15:17<AviMarcus>heh pharaun, how many copies of each object would you need to call it durable storage?
15:19<AviMarcus>weird google charges only 2c/gb/mo for added space for picasa, but wants more than S3 for their storage
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15:30<pharaun>its "service storage vs global catchall storage"
15:30<pharaun>AviMarcus: copies... eh quite a few actually
15:31<AviMarcus>do you think that's actually a viable idea
15:31<AviMarcus>?
15:31<AviMarcus>I don't really have HD space at the moment on my laptop for that.. it may violate TOS on linode to volunteer that extra space
15:32<AviMarcus>and folks are moving to SSDs for laptop which also reduces storage
15:32<pharaun>AviMarcus: think, more like s3 but moar global
15:32<AviMarcus>isn't that managed then?
15:32<pharaun>aka not only tied to amazon
15:33<pharaun>on ab, i'm keeping on getting this error "apr_socket_recv: No route to host (113)" when i try to run more than say 20 connections on ab so... i dunno wtf?
15:33<dominikh>ulimit?
15:33<pharaun>let me check
15:33<pharaun>unlimited
15:34<pharaun>and i know i have open *MORE* connections than just 20 before so...
15:34<dominikh>hm
15:34<pharaun>it seems random, sometime it can do 100, sometime 500 connections attempts before dying with that error
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15:37<rnowak>adaptive firewall, pharaun?
15:39<pharaun>rnowak: not that i know of, i have pf on my router, but it should not be bothering this at all
15:43<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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15:46<pharaun>hmmm i'm going to have to poke at that and see if my gpu is up to the task at all :p
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16:36<linbot>New news from forums: OT - Linode like windows virtual server in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6987>
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16:53*DrJ wonders how many 4096's linode has sold ... I would think at that point it would be more practical to have dedicated server
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16:54<gregg_>so, login problems... where to head?
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16:54<tjfontaine>can you be more specific?
16:54<@caker>descender: dedicated sucks. :) No console, usually not RAID, probably not fast hardware, can't rebuild, etc
16:54<tjfontaine>tab fail
16:54<DrJ>ah, true caker
16:55<@caker>can't easily upgrade/downgrade/clone/etc
16:55*caker puts the loud in cloud
16:55<Obsidian|server>SamT: git pull the main repo, I rm'd the handler
16:56<Obsidian|server>honestly, the only way I'd go dedicated is if it was a VPS host box
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16:57<Obsidian|server>I'd just use it to host each of my server instances itself, for a higher security setup
16:58<SamT>I know a few websites that are on dedicated boxes because they are using less than scalable software
16:58<SamT>Such as NS2
16:58<SamT>They run a dual server configuration
16:58<Obsidian|server>One for database, one for webserver, I take it?
16:58<SamT>pay $500+/mo
16:58<SamT>nope
16:58<SamT>they are fully mirrored
16:58<Obsidian|server>wait what, $500/mo
16:59<Obsidian|server>seriously
16:59<SamT>yeah
16:59<SamT>that was right before I left
16:59<SamT>since then they've been bought out, and they probably have it hosted on better hosts
16:59<SamT>with people who actually know how to run a server
16:59<Obsidian|server>...ehhh, I don't know about that
17:00<@mikegrb>lulz
17:00<SamT>lol
17:00<Obsidian|server>Usually those "community" companies just keep pushing those boxes until they scream from overload
17:00<SamT>yeah
17:00<Obsidian|server>they don't like to spend on them, and just go for maximum revenue
17:00<SamT>yeah
17:01<SamT>spam ads like crazy, and see how much they can milk it for
17:01<Obsidian|server>then drop it when it predictably dies
17:01<SamT>hmm
17:02<SamT>well my old host is finally getting around to canceling my old account there
17:02*SamT bits good riddance
17:02<@Praefectus>SamT: how long ago did you move?
17:02<SamT>Less than a week ago
17:02<SamT>low end POS VPS
17:03<@Praefectus>who was it with, if you dont mind me askin?
17:03<SamT>SWVPS
17:03<Peng>...What's NS2?
17:03<SamT>First, they have the nerve to call OpenVZ actual visualization
17:03<SamT>nsider2(dot)com
17:04<SamT>old website I used to play tech admin at
17:04<SamT>Never ran the servers, and if I did, things would have been different
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17:04<Obsidian|server>s/nsider2/hell/
17:05<Obsidian|server>also
17:05<Obsidian|server>SamT: s/visualization/virtualization/
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17:05<SamT>bleh
17:05<Obsidian|server>goodness, you and the typos
17:05<Obsidian|server>never change, you give me something to do you know :P
17:06<SamT>heh
17:06<SamT>I am never going back to OpenVZ
17:06<Obsidian|server>b-b-but it loves you and it misses you and it'll buy you dinner this time!
17:08<@Praefectus>how is it gonna buy dinner? its a free version of vz, so it has no income
17:08<Obsidian|server>it'll just use the funds that it sucked away from him :)
17:09<Obsidian|server>the money that went into the sinkhole that is paravirtualization
17:09<nDuff>Obsidian|server, ...Xen doesn't exactly have room to talk on that either...
17:10<Obsidian|server>nDuff: pvz, sure
17:10<nDuff>...and Xen isn't exactly hot stuff in HVM mode
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17:10<Obsidian|server>better than openvz on its best day
17:10<nDuff>...well, not going to argue that.
17:11*nDuff has been happy with KVM in the past
17:11<Obsidian|server>I'm more than happy with Xen HVM right now, simply because I can actually make use of iptables without completely crashing the server
17:11<Obsidian|server>probably low expectations, but eh
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17:14<SamT>the fact that Xen allows us to have our own configurable firewall makes it better than OpenVZ any day.
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17:14<SamT>Last time iptables was installed on our OpenVZ box, the server was crippled and down for a good 12 hours
17:14<SamT>Even after we reimaged out VPS, it never was the same.
17:15<SamT>Constant lack of network stability
17:15<Obsidian|server>heh...yeah. I, uh, remember that.
17:15<Obsidian|server>oops.. ^-^;;
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17:18<linbot>New news from forums: IP Tables Error in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6981>
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17:24<linbot>New news from forums: New domain, endless spam. Old catch all? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6989>
17:24<SamT>Whyyyy is linode still using phpBB2?
17:25<pharaun>cos it works?
17:25<SamT>It's old
17:25<SamT>and it has reached EOL
17:26<Obsidian|server>pharaun: I hear those Boeing 737's still work too
17:26<Obsidian|server>wonder why they grounded them
17:26<pharaun>Obsidian|server: cos they have ingested too much of urmom, she's toxic you know
17:27*Obsidian|server claps softly at the wonderful display of maturity
17:27<pharaun>!rules
17:27<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted> (#5) jkwood is utterly insane
17:28<pharaun>but anyway on the forum, i guess it still works, so leave it alone, linode probably will update it when they need to and/or have a good reason to :)
17:28<Obsidian|server>CSRF vulns aren't a reason to upgrade? o_O
17:29<pharaun>i dunno, i don't use phpbb :)
17:29<SleePy>Those could be patched manually ;)
17:29<robinetd>http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1928 <- lulz.
17:30<SamT>2 has reached EOL, if there is one discovered, the phpBB team wont announce it or fix it.
17:30*Obsidian|server has been ninja'd
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17:31<robinetd>Oh, wrong window.
17:31<SleePy>Doesn't mean that info isn't out there. It also doesn't mean that a issue in version 3 deosn't affect version 2.
17:31<pharaun>and often "things just work" why muck with it
17:32<SamT>There have been no major issues with phpBB3, it is significantly less vulnerable to such attacks by design.
17:33<Obsidian|server>SleePy: unless the post/topic moderation actions are rewritten for confirmation screens, there's an opening for CSRF
17:33<Obsidian|server>erm, to use confirmation screens
17:33<SleePy>you could prevent that without a confirmation screen.
17:33<Obsidian|server>sure, just go plaintext
17:34<Obsidian|server>allow nothing but \w to be posted
17:34<Obsidian|server>well, plus spacers
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17:38<SamT>Oh well
17:38<SamT>Linode will be at OSCON and I will talk to them then.
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18:00<karstensrage>im portscanning my own server, i hope that is ok
18:02*Peng shrugs.
18:02<Peng>You're not going to get in trouble for it. Whether it's actually allowed? Not sure.
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18:03<robinetd>Peng: I don't see why it wouldn't be allowed.
18:04<rnowak>Unless you're in germany *giggle*
18:04<HoopyCat>the church frowns upon it, but everybody does it anyway
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18:05<praetorian>HoopyCat: canasta?
18:05<HoopyCat>nmapping yourself
18:06<karstensrage>nikto
18:06<AviMarcus>karstensrage, tried from inside: netstat -ntulp
18:07<karstensrage>AviMarcus, not sure i understand what you said
18:07<praetorian>HoopyCat: only if done by a priest.
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18:12<AviMarcus>karstensrage, you can try from within the linode that command to see what ports are being listened to
18:14<karstensrage>oic
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18:19<sivy>anyone know if there's a way for a CGI script to defer *back* to apache's ErrorDocument-based 404 handling?
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18:38<wippler>I'm using smtp connections to send out emails for my php/fastcgi/nginx app, and i notice that the more smtp connections i have, the slower the app gets. is this possible?
18:39<SelfishMan>from a php app? yes, very likely
18:39<wippler>oh really. is it a memory issue? what's goin gon?
18:40<SelfishMan>I suggest writing the emails to a queue (DB preferrably) and then have something else actually run through that queue and deliver the emails
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18:40<wippler>thats the thing, i have a queue in the db, but im using php to run through it :)
18:41<wippler>any other suggestions as to what i should use instead of php?
18:41<rnowak>on a page call, or a background worker php script?
18:41<wippler>ya a crontab script
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18:41<SelfishMan>you probably have a memory leak or you aren't closing the connections/handles properly
18:41<wippler>oh im not sending emails out during like a page load
18:41*SelfishMan tries not to remember anything about PHP
18:41<wippler>heh
18:42<wippler>okay ill check to make sure im closing connections
18:42<HoopyCat>hrm, i figure it ought to be able to get it done with one SMTP connection
18:42<wippler>is thre a way to check for current connections via the command line?
18:42<rnowak>I use a php script as a background worker for doing just that, and it works fine, so no idea.
18:42<wippler>ok
18:42<SelfishMan>or you are selecting a large dataset from the database instead of limiting it
18:42<HoopyCat>wippler: netstat -pnt
18:43<HoopyCat>should be the ones mentioning php with destination address 127.0.0.1:25
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18:44<HoopyCat>note to self: chapstick is not USB modem
18:44<robinetd>what
18:45<@mikegrb>lulz
18:45<Kyhwana>lol
18:45<wippler>ahh i see them. thx!
18:47<SelfishMan>I would be willing to bet your script is opening a new connection for every message but it isn't closing the connection at all
18:47<SelfishMan>might not even be issuing a quit
18:47<HoopyCat>actually, if you're doing it as a batch, you can just keep the one SMTP connection open and reuse it
18:47<SelfishMan>yep
18:47<wippler>the script is opening one for batch of 100, but i am disconnecting
18:48<wippler>ive got a few going, to speed things up though
18:48<wippler>so thats' probably it
18:48<wippler>that's
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18:48<wippler>do these connections ever time out?
18:48<wippler>jw'ing
18:48<HoopyCat>after awhile, your MTA will give up
18:49<Jehan>setting up a wordpress multisite install on a fresh ubuntu 10.04 server
18:49<rnowak>speed things up? if you're using a local MTA the script should be able to dequeue pretty fast, even if just running one instance of the script.
18:49<Jehan>gonna try to figure it out myself but will post some questions possibly
18:50<HoopyCat>rnowak: it'll block on DNS queries for each RCPT
18:51<rnowak>HoopyCat: good point
18:51<wippler>rnowak -- true, i will look at the times now
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18:51<rnowak>HoopyCat: does it do the lookup during the preparation, and not when it has been queued for delivery?
18:53<HoopyCat>rnowak: "most" MTAs will check on helo, mail from, and rcpt to, throwing 5xx rather than queuing an "obviously" bad destination
18:53<rnowak>HoopyCat: hmm alright
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18:54<wippler>rnowak you're right, this stuff is dequeing really fast
18:54<wippler>theres no need for mult connections really
18:54<wippler>thanks!
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20:13<Captain_Intern>Anyone live in Boston?
20:14<robinetd>nope, nobody
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20:20<Captain_Intern>Can't believe that no one in this channel right now lives in Boston.
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20:25<Peng>Captain_Intern: You can't?
20:26<bob2>I can't believe this isn't butter
20:26<Captain_Intern>Peng, I'm sure there has to be other linodians live in or around Boston.
20:26<HoopyCat>i know people who live in boston, and have been to boston a few times
20:26<bob2>Captain_Intern: you are joking right
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20:27<Peng>Even assuming Linodians are only in US, Boston is 1.5% of the population.
20:27<Captain_Intern>My shock is displayed because ~8-12 weeks ago there was a conversation about Boston and living there in this channel
20:27<Peng>1.5% of the half-dozen people who are here right now isn't very good odds.
20:29<MTecknology>So....
20:29<MTecknology>we had a server today that had its load >50 for a while
20:29<MTecknology>and holding constant 40-50 for a good portion of the day..
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20:30<bob2>ace
20:31<MTecknology>it was...... fun...
20:32<HoopyCat>Captain_Intern: unfortunately, at any given time, only a small number of channel regulars are active on IRC
20:32<HoopyCat>MTecknology: did someone forget to use the CDN URLs on a newsletter send?
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20:33<MTecknology>HoopyCat: nope...
20:34<MTecknology>it was for our web gateway; for some reason a bunch of windows systems decided to start checking for updates.
20:35<bob2>what is a web gateway
20:35<bob2>a http proxy?
20:35<MTecknology>pretty much - with a crap ton of filtering
20:35<Obsidian|server>awesome
20:35<MTecknology>They're not supposed to check for or download updates.... updates get pushed to them from an internal system
20:35<Obsidian|server>microsoft must have decided that it'd do what it wanted again
20:35<bob2>ah, so poorly designed systems ftw
20:36<MTecknology>Obsidian|server: pretty much... I did a bit of a hack by just letting them pass right through, tomorrow I need to dig into why the systems are deciding to update themselves
20:36<MTecknology>bob2: you meen microsoft?
20:37<bob2>whoever decided to run a poorly configured filtering proxy that can't handle line speed
20:37<robinetd>bob2: oh no you di'int
20:38<Obsidian|server>clearly there's no need for web filtering
20:38<Obsidian|server>just have it a condition of the employee's pay
20:38<Obsidian|server>we just monitor what you're looking at
20:38<MTecknology>it can't handled scanning >500 different files; We'd need a 16 core system with >3.0Ghz each to handle what was being requested
20:38<Obsidian|server>if you're busted, you lose pay for the next week/fortnight
20:38<MTecknology>we can't do that here
20:38<robinetd>Obsidian|server: "you can't feed your family because you loaded xkcd!"
20:39<Obsidian|server>condition of contract P:
20:39<MTecknology>non-profit org
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20:39<MTecknology>our contracts are pretty much set up by the state
20:39<Obsidian|server>robinetd: internet-based distractions suddenly lose effectiveness
20:40<Obsidian|server>suddenly, self-control becomes paramount to paying the bills
20:40<robinetd>Obsidian|server: If you expect someone to sit at a computer 8 hours a day and not get distracted, you better open your wallet.
20:40<Obsidian|server>I sat a computer for 10 hours a day.
20:40<Obsidian|server>Took calls all day, customer service
20:41<Obsidian|server>time opening between calls? There was more work to do
20:41<MTecknology>there's all sorts of insane laws governing our company
20:41<bob2>hire adults
20:41<bob2>don't filter their internet
20:41<bob2>win
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20:41<Obsidian|server>MTecknology: aye, I'd imagine
20:41<MTecknology>I don't know that we can even hire a minor..
20:41<bob2>by adult I mean "PEOPLE WHO DO NOT LOOK UP PORNOGRAPHY AT WORK"
20:42<MTecknology>oh
20:43<Peng>bob2: So, kindergartners?
20:43<HoopyCat>it is remarkably difficult to avoid people who don't understand the difference between "appropriate behavior" and "inappropriate behavior"
20:44<Peng>And then you fire them.
20:44<SleePy>How many kindergartners do you know that can bypass filters?
20:44<MTecknology>i had a job once where i disrespected the boss and other employees and owners so I just drank at work and looked up porn and w/e i felt like
20:44<tjfontaine>people just walk around with self.troll = True
20:44<MTecknology>I didn't intend to work there long but they never fired me...
20:44<HoopyCat>i, for one, would prefer to just fire people who are porning it up in the office, but alas, many companies prefer to take the passive-aggressive approach and just keep porners around
20:44<tjfontaine>MTecknology: that seems an irresponsible thing to do as a bus driver
20:45<MTecknology>heh
20:45<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: ayah
20:45<pharaun>:o if i dare look at porn at work they would be showing me the door
20:45<MTecknology>.net dev
20:45<MTecknology>same here
20:46<MTecknology>I like where I work though
20:48<MTecknology>getting into challenges liek figuring out why the load average on our server runs up over 50 is just a fun day
20:48<Obsidian|server>clearly you arranged for this
20:49<Obsidian|server>"IT pay cuts? Hold on, arranging a crisis"
20:49<Obsidian|server>:D
20:49<@mikegrb>lulz
20:49<SleePy>lol
20:49<MTecknology>no, i'm a recent hire - almost done with 3wk
20:49<Obsidian|server>hope you've got the handbook
20:50<Obsidian|server>refer to the "The Website is Down" video series for what to do in case of emergency
20:51<SleePy>Wave hands in the air and run around screaming?
20:51<pharaun>step 1) run around in panic, step 2) ???, step 3) profit
20:51<Obsidian|server>SleePy: fake a virus attack!
20:51<pharaun>oh shi someone is hacking the gibson!
20:51<Obsidian|server>haxors onoz everyone hide under your desk until it's safe to come out!
20:52<Obsidian|server>they might turn the automated defense systems on us
20:53<MTecknology>after this is dealt with, I'm going to start working on upgrading the systems and then doing some load balancing
20:53<amitz>SpaceHobo: oh... the pycuda somewhat interest me indeed but that might be directed to the wrong person.
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21:20<MTecknology>yay!
21:20<MTecknology>v2.6.39-rc4 was released
21:20<bob2>I'M SO EXCITED
21:20<bob2>I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT
21:21<jtsage>but... but.... do you think you like it?
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21:26<SleePy>Don't everyone update all at once now :D
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21:28<MTecknology>joke 882 is pretty funny :P
21:28-!-Briney [~Briney@71-208-2-58.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #linode
21:28<SleePy>?
21:29<MTecknology>http://xkcd.com/882/
21:30<SleePy>I don't know xkcd by "joke" :)
21:30<pharaun>i wonder when they will roll over the version or get rid of 2.6 :p cos what will we end up in 20 years 2.6.2324 ?
21:32<HoopyCat>http://kerneltrap.org/node/436
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21:33<bob2>http://kerneltrap.org/node/1584 <- unrelated but still disturbing
21:34<HoopyCat>bob2: and that's why git does some of the stuff it does
21:36<tjfontaine>ha ha bitkeeper debacle
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21:44<runny>Hello
21:44<Peng>yo
21:45<tjfontaine>http://xm.atxconsulting.com/hi-there.mp3
21:45<runny>how goez it?
21:45<Peng>It goez awesome
21:46<Peng>Like my Linode!
21:46<Peng>:P
21:46<bob2>tjfontaine: hey, everyone is better off now
21:46<runny>Ges
21:46<tjfontaine>bob2: mostly, except for the non-cas sha1 to object map
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21:47<Pooninranger>i had to get on my vps to restart a program and i noticed that my vps is using all of my hdd space but when i do du all its showing is 2.1g being used but, df -H reports all of it being used, can anyone help me try and find where the other 15gb is being used?
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21:47<tjfontaine>Pooninranger: inodes
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21:47<tjfontaine>Pooninranger: compare with: df -i
21:48<Pooninranger>in that it says use is 10%
21:48<tjfontaine>when you ran du did you run it against your home directory or /
21:48<Pooninranger>/
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21:49<tjfontaine>perhaps you misread
21:49<tjfontaine>!p the output
21:49<linbot>http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:49<Peng>Pooninranger: Perhaps something is keeping deleted files open.
21:49<tjfontaine>Peng: excellent plausible call
21:50<Peng>This was on the forum like 2 days ago. :>
21:51<Peng>Where someone said to do...`lsof | grep '(deleted)'`, I think.
21:52<tjfontaine>/proc/<pid>/fd/ has saved my ass more than once
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21:52<bob2>find the inode and debug2fs that shit
21:57<tjfontaine>I hate it when it goes from ideas to silence
21:58<Pooninranger>sorry had to do something but, heres the paste: http://p.linode.com/5186
21:58<HoopyCat>$2 on deleted file still open
21:59<tjfontaine>I kinda meant on the du, it's more common to see /var/log fill, but I don't think I'll bet against the deleted file tonight
22:00<HoopyCat>have you deleted any large files since the last reboot?
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22:02<Pooninranger>http://p.linode.com/5187
22:02<Pooninranger>no i havn't
22:03<praetorian>you should try what Peng said
22:03<praetorian>lsof | grep '(deleted)'
22:05<Pooninranger>uhh some logs
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22:05<praetorian>yeah. i think thats going to be the cause
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22:06<Pooninranger>xstartup 25089 mirc 1w REG 202,0 6762659840 146240 /home/mirc/.vnc/li293-62:1.log (deleted) <- theres 4 of those
22:06<Obsidian|server>...yeaaaaah that's the problem
22:06<Obsidian|server>mirc proxy I take it?
22:06*tjfontaine cries
22:06<Pooninranger>no thats the vnc logs
22:07<Pooninranger>but mirc is for a irc bot for a friend
22:07<praetorian>tjfontaine: the username? ;)
22:07<Peng>Maybe his name is Michael Irc!
22:07<tjfontaine>praetorian: and vnc
22:07<praetorian>hehe
22:07<Pooninranger>so how would i get rid of them without rebooting?
22:07<praetorian>restart vnc.
22:07<tjfontaine>you need to kill the processes holding the files open
22:08<Peng>Or convince it nicely to close them.
22:08<bd_>Or truncate them in place
22:08<rnowak>uninstalling it would be a good step as well
22:08<HoopyCat>SIGHUP (kill -1) often does something
22:08<bd_>true > /proc/$pid/fd/$fdnumber
22:09<praetorian>i had to go and read what the field order for lsof was.. to check if that was the filesize.. yep.. 6762659840 is.
22:09<tjfontaine>I'm going to keep bd_ in my pocket so I can get useful ideas like that
22:09<Peng>Quite a log file.
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22:10<Obsidian|server>why did that
22:10<Obsidian|server>seriously, that big?
22:11<tjfontaine>something that launches is quite verbose
22:11<praetorian>verbose-nc
22:11<tjfontaine>probably some application expecting more of kde or gnome to be running and it's not, so it's spewing
22:11<Peng>bd_: That truncates?
22:12<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: if we both were right how would that bet worked out?
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22:21<auraka>linode....where is the ipv6 filling
22:21<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:21<tjfontaine>still in the cake batter mix
22:21<Obsidian|server>caek whar
22:22<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:22<praetorian>i wanted to say 'the cake is a lie'. but the internet compelled me not to
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22:22<auraka>sad panda is sad
22:22<checkers>around april 1 caker said they had it working in test
22:23<checkers>and I'm pretty sure it wasn't a joke
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22:23<Obsidian|server>praetorian: good because then I'd be asking you what I was eating then, yesterday
22:23<Peng>I did not hear that :O
22:23<praetorian>Obsidian|server: do you really know to know?
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22:27<checkers>Peng: search your march april logs for caker saying ip and see what comes up
22:27<auraka>ipv6 is still not here....free my packets!
22:28<Peng>Free them from what?
22:28<auraka>free them to flow over native ipv6
22:28<checkers>freedom from useful protocols
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22:29<amitz>using the freedom protocols
22:29<auraka>yes....rfc1776
22:30<tjfontaine>free my packets to run what's described as a "miniscule" aprt of the internet
22:30<auraka>tjfontaine: today it is....some people like to think ahead
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22:30<tjfontaine>auraka: mostly though things go by where there is money
22:31<praetorian>so all the porn sites have ipv6?
22:31<auraka>yes....and there will be a ton of money in it when it is too late
22:31<tjfontaine>no, there will be a ton of money still in ipv4 just fewer players, have you met cobol?
22:32<auraka>again....planning ahead is not a bad idea
22:32<auraka>plenty of people I'm sure said...why airplanes....trains work so well
22:32<Peng>Did ipv6experiment.com ever go anywhere?
22:32<tjfontaine>sure, and linode said it's planning, but there's little motivation
22:32<tjfontaine>little market motivation
22:32<auraka>today
22:32<auraka>until it runs out
22:32<tjfontaine>auraka: or even 12months
22:32<auraka>which is why it pays to be ahead of the curve
22:33<Peng>Oh, it seems it did go somewhere. NSFW warning for ipv6experiment.com. :P
22:33<tjfontaine>the momentum you personally desire to exist, does not.
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22:34<praetorian>apnic are down to the last /8 .. any new request can only be for a max of 1024 ips
22:35<auraka>tjfontaine: market forces are not often there to drive change or innovation....perfect example, the internet which was pioneered by governments and unis
22:36<tjfontaine>everyone is expecting/wanting this huge tipping point to come, like some mayan prediction, it's just not going to happen
22:36<tjfontaine>auraka: there's no money for that right now
22:36<auraka>NOT TODAY....when it runs out there will be
22:36<auraka>and it is slated for what...the end of 2011
22:37<tjfontaine>there won't be this epic switch day, you're wrong.
22:37<jtsage>honestly, until the major ISP's pick it up, there isn't going to be much point. /me has tunneling set up, and it serves very well as a test bed and to satisfy those that have their own tunnels.
22:37<auraka>so....many tier 1s will have space...but what about all the subscriber networks
22:37<jtsage>but face it, "the masses" are not really expirmenters - it's a niche
22:37<auraka>tjfontaine: never said there would be...I said it is better to be ahead of the curve and be prepared
22:38<auraka>jtsage: comcast is....I would call them major...cell providers are
22:38<auraka>because...comcast actually has a vision here and sees the writing
22:39<tjfontaine>everyone knows about exhaustion, they're just happy to monetize it by further segmenting their markets
22:39<efudd>I tried to return a /16 to IANA in 2004.
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22:39<efudd>couldn't.
22:39<jtsage>the other major hurdle is going to be comsumer equipment - i know i own routers that don't remotely support v6.
22:40<efudd>too much damned paperwork :)
22:40<auraka>....what does that have to do with deploying ipv6 to be ahead of the curve
22:40<tjfontaine>jtsage: at least not without 3rd party firmware
22:40<efudd>I... wonder if it is still floating out there with me as the registered contact.
22:40<efudd>lesse..
22:40<tjfontaine>auraka: your "curve" is more like a soft bend about 5 years down the road
22:40<jtsage>true enough, at least on a lot of it. it's the off-the-wall brands at mom or grandma's house that are the killers
22:40<Peng>How good is the v6 support in third-party firmware? From what I've heard it sounds pretty half-assed.
22:41<efudd>Yup. it's still out there :)
22:41<tjfontaine>Peng: how good is ipv6 in the linux kernel, is an easier question
22:41<auraka>tjfontaine: for some large companies....it will take them 5 years to actually switch because they are so slow in moving
22:41<@caker>efudd!
22:41<efudd>RTechPhone: +1-919-767-5744
22:41<@mikegrb>lulz
22:41<efudd>lol.
22:41<efudd>that = my old phone# for this /16
22:41<efudd>I should... try to return it AGIAN.
22:41<@mikegrb>mmm cake
22:41<efudd>hi cake.
22:41<efudd>you are a lie. apparently.
22:41<auraka>efudd: a /8 was given back by interop....it can be done
22:42<tjfontaine>919, what's that raleigh/durham?
22:42<efudd>that.. or xfer it directly to me. :)
22:42<Peng>efudd didn't say it couldn't be done; just that it took too much work.
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22:42<efudd>yah. I called them and tried to return it when the holding company went bankrupt.
22:42<auraka>I would ask how much paper work
22:42<efudd>gave up with paperwork.
22:42<auraka>one sheet...two sheets?
22:42<auraka>30?
22:43<linbot>New news from forums: Source address of connections from ssh proxy tunnel in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6993>
22:44<auraka>i know when I returned space to ARIN it was rather simple
22:44<efudd>I wonder what I need to do to return it.
22:44<efudd>I'm one of the few who know it's unused, I guess.
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22:45<auraka>I just had to get sign off from the owner...which was my boss...done
22:45<efudd>maybe I can bribe them.
22:46<efudd>"look, I'll return you an unused /16 if you delegate me a direct /24."
22:46<auraka>of course...I was using much less space...so I'm not sure about a /16
22:46<auraka>then again of course....when ipv4 runs out you can "lease" it to someone
22:47<auraka>which is what a lot of people are giddy about
22:47<auraka>cogent will somehow profit from this massively
22:48<efudd>ok. back to portal2.
22:49<praetorian>efudd: http://tradeipv4.com/ might be more up your alley then
22:49<praetorian>:p
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22:54<linbot>New news from forums: Best GUI / VNC - on Ubuntu. in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6947>
22:54<praetorian>speaking of vnc.
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22:57<straterra>oops
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23:31<cralor>I want to implement a Mumble Channel Viewer on my website, but need the JSONP package first. I've done a Google search, but cannot seem to find how to install. Any one here with this experience?
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23:49<Peng>/14/14
23:49<Peng>argh!
23:49<Peng>I've done that like 3 times tonight.
23:50<HoopyCat>!d
23:50<linbot>HoopyCat: That URL appears to have no HTML title.
23:50<HoopyCat>urmom
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23:51<HoopyCat>!d
23:51<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 11% full (about 2 days remaining). Last emptied 3 hours ago, last full yesterday at 17:45 UTC after running for 2.6 days.
23:51<HoopyCat>there we go
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23:51<@heckman>What does that command reference anyway? I've never asked
23:52<Peng>!help d
23:52<linbot>Peng: (d <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "dehumidifier $*".
23:52<Peng>!help dehumidifer
23:52<HoopyCat>heckman: http://blog.hoopycat.com/2009/08/dehumidifier-sensor
23:52<Peng>!help dehumidifier
23:52<linbot>Peng: (dehumidifier <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "web title https://munin.sodtech.net/cgi-bin/getdehumidpercent.py".
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23:53<@mikegrb>lulz
23:53<@heckman>oh...lol
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.73105370, 0.88394454) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 17718 of 22525 (π ≈ 3.146370699223085 - 0.004778045633292)
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