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---Logopened Tue May 10 00:00:17 2011
00:00<bd_>karstensrage: If you want to set up a static address out of a pool (your primary IPv6 address will always be autoassigned, firewall permitting), try running a command like this from your networking up scripts: ip addr add 2600:3c00::youraddress/64 scope global dev eth0
00:01<dcraig>I'd just stick with the command from the library
00:02<bd_>I thought the library one didn't have ipv6 instructions? :)
00:03<bd_> oh, it does
00:03<Takyoji>Aww, come on nao.. just 3MBps scp'ing between Linodes in different datacenters? xP
00:03<dcraig>I think the -6 is required?
00:04<bd_>Takyoji: scp can be somewhat limited by latency, try piping across openssl's command-line client (openssl s_server/s_client)
00:04<Takyoji>oh wait, it's because I'm going through my HE tunnel
00:04<bd_>you ought to be able to hit 4MB/s or so without a upstream limiter exemption
00:04<Takyoji>My other server has IPv6 through an HE tunnel
00:04<bd_>ah, that might be part of it :)
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00:12<Defenestrator>Takyoji: SCP is not particularly fast. Both in spec and implementation.
00:13<Defenestrator>Newer versions of OpenSSH help, and the HPN-SSH patches help more, but it's still not designed for speed.
00:13<Takyoji>I'm curious what the actual network bitrate
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00:14<Defenestrator>Takyoji: iftop
00:15<Takyoji>I mean moreso in regards of the max
00:16<karstensrage>so ip4 and ip6 seem to have nothing to do with each other
00:16<karstensrage>ip6 gets autoassigned by some magic and the static ip4 is assigned by that documentation
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00:16<karstensrage>and now my ipv6 has /64 on it
00:17<bob2>it does not
00:17<bob2>you have one ipv6 address autoassigned
00:17<bob2>it is from a /64 network
00:17<karstensrage>wasnt it /128 before?
00:17<purrdeta>different things
00:18<ajmitch>just like seeing a /24 on your ipv4 address doesn't mean you have 256 addresses
00:18<purrdeta>its like the netmask of ipv4
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00:20<karstensrage>holy crap this is confusing
00:21<Jerub>karstensrage: um. the /64 bit is what distinguishes what goes to the default route, or what is on the local lan.
00:21<Jerub>just like your /24 which is your public ip
00:25<karstensrage>no i mean can you just answer if i follow the instructions for static ip it wont affect the ip6 address even though its all on the same interface eth0?
00:27<kenyon>karstensrage: correct
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00:28<karstensrage>thank you
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00:37<bibster>what is the host to connect to ssh via the server?
00:37<bibster>i mean how do i find out what info i have to use to login.
00:37<retro|blah>bibster: That should be listed in Linode Manager under Remote Access
00:38<bibster>yeah i went there..
00:38<bibster>but it says ssh root@ip
00:38<bibster>i don't actually use ssh root do i
00:38<akerl>bibster: Yes...
00:38<bikcmp>why didn't you just tell me that!
00:38<akerl>bibster: You use root to start with, if you configure something else, then you can use that, but root is what's configured on install.
00:39<bibster>then why wont it take my password
00:39<akerl>bibster: Which password are you using?
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00:40<bibster>the one i use for members
00:40<bibster>or the website thing
00:40<akerl>You should have entered a root pass when you deployed the distro
00:40<bikcmp>/nick/win 1
00:41<bibster>k still fail
00:41<Kyhwana>bibster: try logging in as root using lish
00:41<bibster>i already tried the lish thing
00:41<bibster>it hates me even more
00:41<bibster>so to be correct... i use root@ip
00:41<Kyhwana>then you entered the wrong password, if you can't login via lish
00:42<bibster>username root, pass the root pass?
00:42<Kyhwana>your linodes IP, yes.
00:42<bibster>for using sfcp
00:42<bibster>yeah linode ip
00:42<bibster>sftp sorry
00:42<akerl>For the moment, use ssh.
00:42<bibster>ermm ok
00:43<bikcmp>he's using windows
00:43<bibster>it's ssh root?
00:43<bibster>i asked if it was just root@ip.
00:43*bikcmp dies
00:43<Takyoji>`ip -6 addr add 2600:3c01::02:6000/64 dev eth0` only adds 2600:3c01:02:6000 to eth0, not the whole range/block, correct?
00:43*akerl glues face to desk
00:44<Jerub>Takyoji: yes.
00:44<bibster>well i did ask :\
00:44<bibster>so it's ssh root@ip
00:44<@heckman>If you are using NIX yes
00:44<Takyoji>So I have to add every IPv6 address I'll be using then?
00:44<@heckman>Takyoji: correct
00:44<bibster>lol this is getting a bit over my head i think
00:44<kenyon>root@ip works on windows too
00:44<@heckman>And you will also need to configure it to bring them back up at boot
00:44<Kyhwana>bibster: what are you using to ssh to your linode?
00:44<ajmitch> is linked from the manager page
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00:45<@heckman>bibster: if it's putty just put the host name in the box
00:45<Kyhwana>OK, so the host is just your linode IP. Put that in and hit connect
00:45<@heckman>Then it will prompt for your username when you connect
00:45<Kyhwana>it will ask you for a username once it connects, enter "Root". Then it'll ask for your password, enter your root password
00:45-!-Josh is now known as Guest349
00:45<kenyon>root@ip works as expected in putty in the hostname box
00:45<bibster>i did that
00:45<@heckman>Also, I would recommend reading the Linode Library. All of your questions, and more, will be answered.
00:45<bibster>how is "my password" isn't working in the library?
00:46<Guest349>Just started my first linode(newb). Set up cherokee and am having trouble accessing the linode to install wordpress
00:46<@heckman>bibster: what?
00:46<Kyhwana>bibster: if you get access denied, then either your install is hosed somehow or you've got the root password wrong
00:46<akerl>Guest349: Define "accessing the linode"?
00:46<bibster>the password is not wrong
00:46<bob2>if you're new to linux, don't use cherokee
00:46<Guest349>Should I be trying to access the linode's IP address?
00:46<Guest349>via my browser
00:47<akerl>Guest349: It depends on how you have your webserver configured. I'd second the "no-cherokee-for-noobs" though
00:47<Guest349>I have an open SSH and tunnel session, but need to access the wordpress installer through my browser
00:47<@heckman>Why aren't you using Apache? :/
00:47<bob2>use apache like everyone else
00:47<bikcmp>lighttpd <3
00:47<Kyhwana>bibster: if the password isn't wrong and you've got the right IP address then either your distro doesn't allow remote logins as root or your install is hosed
00:47<bibster>ok so i should do what to fix the problem exactally?
00:47<@heckman>And then graduate to NginX
00:47<bob2>lighttpd is sadness
00:47<@heckman>bibster: memoryleaks <3
00:47<bibster>it's debian
00:47<bikcmp>heckman: i leak more than lighttpd.
00:48<@heckman>bibster: power down your Linode, head to the rescue tab of the Linode Manager, change your password to something with just letters and numbers, power Linode ???? PROFIT!
00:48<Guest349>Alright, apache it is. I read that cherokee was simpler to manage/setup.
00:48<bikcmp>apache is awsome
00:48<bob2>well mayb,e but who cares
00:48<bob2>apache is easy to configure for apache
00:48<bob2>er wordpress
00:48<bikcmp>imo a bit resource-intensive though.
00:48<bob2>and all the wordpress docs use apache
00:49<@heckman>and apache uses apache to apache while apacheing....
00:49<Guest349>is the is the LAMP stackscript worthwhile?
00:49<@heckman>Yes, but if you're a newb don't use it.
00:49<@heckman>You'll gain much more knowledge doing it manually.
00:50<bob2>"lamp" is a stupid word for "I ran 'sudo aptitude install mysql-server libapache2-mod-php5'"
00:50*heckman puts a lamshade on bob2's head
00:50<@heckman>lampshade even
00:50<akerl>Guest349: In general, the more magic you do without understanding it, the deeper you dig your grave for later on
00:50<Guest349>Alright, I will start by following the linode LAMP guide
00:51<ajmitch>bob2: that's why we have tasksel
00:51<@heckman>Guest349: sounds like a great plan. After you get Apache2 running I would check out the "Basic Installation Guide" for apache.
00:51<Guest349>ubuntu 10.04 I assume?
00:51<bob2>ajmitch: heh
00:51<@heckman>It explains how to properly configure Name Based virtual hosting.
00:51<bob2>ajmitch: are tasks just metapackages these days?
00:51<@heckman>Guest349: For a newbie I'd do Ubuntu 10.04
00:51<bikcmp>ubuntu 10 ftw=
00:51<bikcmp>ubuntu 11 was fail
00:51<ajmitch>bob2: I think they're listed separately, I can't really remember though
00:51<@heckman>Debian 6.0 was even more win
00:52<bikcmp>debian 6 <3
00:52*bikcmp hugs heckman
00:52*heckman hugs bikcmp
00:52<ajmitch>bob2: docs suggest they're files in /usr/share/tasksel
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00:52<Guest349>Oh, and is there any reason to not use the max disk deployment size?
00:53<rnowak>Debian Appreciation Day \o/
00:53<@heckman>Guest517: I don't think so. I always use max disk size.
00:53<bikcmp>rnowak: every day is debian day.
00:53<@heckman>If I need the space later I just power down and resize
00:53<akerl>When is Slackware Appreciation Day?
00:53<rnowak>in 2000
00:53<ajmitch>akerl: it was in 1995
00:53<Kyhwana>akerl: there is no such day
00:53<bikcmp>slackware, ew
00:53<Guest349>Thanks. I am trying to make the switch from shared hosting
00:53<Kyhwana>Is there a MurderFS appreciation day?
00:54<xentek>actually it is july 5, 1998
00:54<bikcmp>lol 1990's
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00:54<bob2>Kyhwana: totally tasteful
00:55<@heckman>Guest349: It's definitely better when you do. Also, get yourself a name. "Guest349" isn't cool. Type: /nick [NEW_NAME_HERE]
00:55<bikcmp>heckman: I like guest1234 better.
00:55<bikcmp>that's just me.
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00:57<@heckman>How'd I know he was going to put the brackets?
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01:01<bibster>ok another stupid question
01:01<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
01:01<bibster>how do i find someone who has an account on the linode's home dir?
01:01<@heckman>ls /home/
01:01<bibster>im in winscp
01:01<@heckman>I mean, that just lists the folders.
01:01<bibster>yeah i have the folders...
01:01<@heckman>An accout can exist without having a home folder.
01:02<bibster>but it does
01:02<akerl>bibster: How many people have accounts on your node without you knowing...
01:02<@heckman>You navigate up to / and then to /home/
01:02<bibster>and i knew
01:02<bibster>dind't realize he re installed debian though
01:02<akerl>How about you say what you're attempting to accomplish.
01:02<bibster>i need to find his homedir so i can get to a folder
01:03<@heckman>I told you where home folders are located
01:03<linbot>New news from forums: Troubleshooting Passenger issue with Rails app in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
01:03<akerl>Who is this mythical "he"
01:03<Kyhwana>bibster: they're in /home/<username>/
01:03<bibster>... heckman thank you
01:03<bibster>sorry im a bit thick :\
01:03<@heckman>I've heard the Atkins diet does wonders
01:03<@heckman>bah bum tsshh
01:04<@heckman>I'm here til Thursday, try the veal.
01:04*Kyhwana going to try the KFC double down after work, they just started selling them here in NZ
01:05<bob2>just took them off the market here apparently
01:05<@heckman>Man, I'm so hungry and have no idea what to get at 1:05AM
01:05<ajmitch>Kyhwana: you'll donate your stuff to #linode people when you pass away from a heart attack, right?
01:05<bob2>heckman: pizza
01:05*ajmitch is glad that there's no KFC close by here
01:06<@heckman>bob2: None open this alte
01:06<opello>double downs for all 3 meals?
01:06<ajmitch>opello: sounds like fun
01:07<opello>i watched a friend eat one once ... it didn't look awful :p
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01:08<rnowak>it looks pretty awesome, too bad we don't have KFC here
01:08<Jack938>Stupid question: How to stop MongoDB auto startup in Ubuntu 11.04? I can use rcconf before, but now no longer work... Seems they have changed to use upstart...suck..
01:09<bob2>protip: run lts on servers
01:12<@heckman>Three different ways? That's terrible
01:12<Jack938>@bob2, thanks. Yes, the upstart suck as I need to modify the config file in order to stop a service, so stupid...
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01:13<rnowak>inb4 #nottwitter
01:13<bob2>rnowak: bah
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01:21<SelfishMan>heckman: last I checked, you are prompted for the disk size you want to use when creating a node
01:22<@heckman>Been awhile since I done it, lol
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01:23<[jmartinez]>Is 64M the php meor limit for linode?
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01:24<bob2>how shit is your php code?
01:24<rnowak>if it needs >64MB, quite
01:25<@Praefectus>[jmartinez]: you are free to adjust settings as you please
01:26*rnowak adjusts Praefectus.conf
01:26<bob2>chatter +i Praefectus
01:28*Praefectus adds "itym chattr" to bob2's error list
01:28<[jmartinez]>Awhile back I had to modify the PHP mem limit to allow for 100mb file uploads through machform
01:29<rnowak>you're doing it wrong
01:29<Kyhwana>ajmitch: I dfunno, i'm going to have _two_ double downs.. A quadraple down, if you will
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01:29<@Praefectus>rnowak: urong
01:29<rnowak>Praefectus: NOU
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01:30<[jmartinez]>Also, I've got my LAMP stack up (via guide). How do I view the virtual host, without setting up the domain/dns??
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01:31<bob2>hack /etc/hosts on your desktop
01:32<[jmartinez]>so I can't access it by LINODEIP/ or somthing similar?
01:32<bob2>not unless you configure apache to do that
01:32<[jmartinez]>ALright. Thanks
01:34<[jmartinez]>How would I configure apache to let me access the sites files via the IP address/.
01:34<rnowak>by doig it correctly
01:35<rnowak>doing *
01:35<bob2>I'd not bother
01:35<bob2>hack /etc/hosts locally
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01:35<@Praefectus>and by 'hack' he means print it and take a knife to it
01:36<rnowak>just cover any traces back to you
01:36<bob2>or else the CYBER POLICE will find you
01:36<Jimmy>Does anybody know how to set a cron on linode?
01:36<bob2>yes, everyone knows how to use cron
01:36<[jmartinez]>I am sorry for being so newb, but here's what I've done in the past on my shared server. Set up add on domain, develop/design wordpress site via 123.23.123/, and then connect the domain after I completed the site build.
01:36<bob2>what are you trying to put in cron
01:37<[jmartinez]>It sounds like that workflow is going to have to change?
01:37<bob2>doesn't have to, just tedious to do
01:37<rnowak>much easier to just do what bob2 suggested
01:37<Jimmy>PHP Deprecated: Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/imagick.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
01:37<[jmartinez]>alright, is there a guide for hacking my local hosts?
01:37<rnowak>see how our "just" aligned there, it is a sign
01:37<Jimmy>I am getting this error: PHP Deprecated: Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/imagick.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0
01:37<[jmartinez]>must be
01:38<bob2>Jimmy: that's not an error
01:38<@heckman>Jimmy: That's because PHP uses ';' for comments now
01:38<bob2>also unrelated to cron
01:38<@heckman>bob2: Well, it's not an error yet
01:38<@heckman>And then one day...
01:38<bob2>sure in a thousand years it will be
01:38<bob2>hopefully you're not usingt php then
01:38<@heckman>Using Java instead
01:38*heckman looks at amitz
01:38<bob2>[jmartinez]: wikipedia article shows where the file is
01:38<Jimmy>And i expected: X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.16 Content-type: text/html... But no sucess
01:38*rnowak hits heckman with an airconditioner
01:38<[jmartinez]>hacking local there a lidone guide or shoudl I google?
01:39<bob2>[jmartinez]: add '' to it
01:39<bob2>[jmartinez]: enjoy
01:39<[jmartinez]>sweet thanks
01:39<rnowak>[jmartinez]: are you on windows or linux on your local system?
01:39<Jimmy>So what can be done in this case? Any help?
01:39<rnowak>kk, there's that as well, nevermind ;p
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01:40<rnowak>Jimmy: if you want to get rid of the errors, replace the # comments with ;
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01:40<@heckman>rnowak: you beat me to it
01:40<rnowak>heckman: 2gd4uBr0
01:41<@heckman>So I've not decided if I should mask this IP with RDNS or not. I mean, it's over 9000...
01:41*amitz stares at java starer.
01:41<amitz>heckman, the iso 9001.
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01:41<Jimmy>@heckman Anything that can be done to prevent this error or whatever it is? Plz
01:41<@heckman>Jimmy: it's not twitter
01:41<rnowak>Jimmy: if you want to get rid of the warnings, replace the # comments with ;
01:41<rnowak>troubles reading?
01:42<amitz>bob2: java exists, and well populated with people.
01:42<bob2>amitz: yes
01:42<@heckman>Also, it's not an error. That's warning you that your configuration file may break in the future. So as rnowak said, correct all comments in php.ini so that they start with ; not #.
01:42<rnowak>in that file, since it tells you even where it is
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01:43<@heckman>I want to OOM...can someone write authoritative name server software in JAVA? :X
01:44<rnowak>heckman: want this hello world app? it will probably oom you!
01:44<rnowak>ENTERPRISE hello world
01:44<@heckman>rnowak: did you hear about the testing we did on Gentoo the one day?
01:44<Jimmy>Also the cron is not able to write a file (Custom Log File) It says Cant create file. Do i need to give some permission to the cron?
01:44<bob2>does it use a message queue
01:44<rnowak>heckman: no? ;o
01:44<bob2>Jimmy: what are you doing, anyway?
01:44<@heckman>Jimmy: you need to run the cron job as the person who can write the file
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01:45<@heckman>rnowak: We installed a fresh image of Gentoo on a Linode and "emerge --deep world" it.
01:45<@heckman>It caused a Linode 512 to OOM
01:45<rnowak>where person can be a computer program which hopefully is not under control of clu
01:45<rnowak>heckman: haha :D
01:45<vraa_>heckman, what's so special about "--deep world"
01:45<rnowak>that's quite an awesome build system eh
01:45<bob2>c++ is expensive to compile with optimisations
01:46<Peng>heckman: NSD's original prototype was in Java. It might still be floating around! :D
01:46<@heckman>vraa_: Pretty much updates every everything. Including all dependencies and stuff.
01:46<@heckman>Peng: Did you hear my NSD story from yesterday morning?
01:46<vraa_>okay i understand now it's gentoo, nevermind i thought you guys were talking about ubuntu
01:46<Peng>heckman: Nope.
01:46<rnowak>apt-get install emerge
01:46<Peng>heckman: In here? I have logs.
01:47<@heckman>Peng: So I am going for the IPv6 HE cert out of boredom. And I was using NSD3 to do my RDNS stuff first
01:47<Jimmy>You mean add cron to writable group like ROOT?
01:47<bob2>Jimmy: what are you trying to do?
01:47<@heckman>Peng: And NSD3 was acting wacky, so I purged it and installed bind9. And for like 3 hours I couldn't figure out why the Linode DNS name servers weren't serving the correct stuff
01:47<bob2>heckman: be lazier,
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01:47<Jimmy>I had to do this for apache manually
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01:48<@heckman>Peng: Ends up nsd3 was still handling requests, even while purged, and bind9 was not complaining that it could not get port 53
01:48<bob2>Jimmy: what are you trying to do?
01:48<@heckman>also s/ROOT/root/
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01:49<@heckman>It was by chance that I ran "netstat -apn" and saw that nsd was running
01:49<Jimmy>bob2: Am trying to run a cron which creates custom logs as txt file. The cron is not doing so when it runs.
01:49<Peng>heckman: Yipes.
01:49<@heckman>Jimmy: Who owns the directory you are trying to write to?
01:49<Peng>heckman: Somebody wasn't fully awake when writing the uninstall script.
01:49<bob2>Jimmy: why
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01:49<@heckman>Peng: apparently -- But it was driving me nuts.
01:49<Jimmy>Its not giving any errors. Do i need set permissions for the cron
01:50<Peng>heckman: BTW, aside from spelling the zone correctly, I had no issues using NSD for rDNS. What went wrong?
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01:50<@heckman>Peng: Dunno, I thought I had it configured correctly but either it was not notifying, or was denying AXFRs from the name servers.
01:51<@heckman>Jimmy: Who owns the directory you are writing to?
01:51<Jimmy>Root owns it
01:51<@heckman>And who are you setting the cron job to run as?
01:51<Peng>heckman: Huh. Shrug.
01:51<@heckman>Peng: Yeah, it's working now so _shrug_
01:51<@heckman>Except HE is still saying my NS records have no AAAA records
01:51<@heckman>Which is BS
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01:52<Peng>heckman: Added glue?
01:52<@heckman>I don't think my registrar can do Ipv6 glue
01:52<SelfishMan>heckman: which NS?
01:52<SelfishMan>what zone?
01:53<@heckman>Just a temporary thing I conigured on my Linode
01:53<@heckman>configured even
01:53<bob2>move it to godaddy lolz
01:53<bob2>namecheap apparently will add glue via support ticket
01:53<@heckman>bob2: that's probably what's going to be needed. I used to hate their domain management stuff
01:53<@heckman>Used to take five minutes to change auth name servers (find location on website)
01:53<SelfishMan>but they won't do IPv4 and IPv6 for the same hostname
01:53<bob2>it is truly terrible
01:53<@heckman>Jimmy: how are you configuring the cron job?
01:54<bob2>SelfishMan: namecheap or godaddy?
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01:54<@heckman>bob2: namecheap
01:54<Jimmy>I am trying to run it as root
01:54<@heckman>Jimmy: What steps are you taking to configure the cron job?
01:55<Peng>AFAIK GoDaddy's IPv6 glue support is great.
01:55<Peng>Never used it myself tho.
01:55<SelfishMan>Peng: Elephant murderer.
01:55<SelfishMan>bob2: godaddy
01:56<SelfishMan>oh, sorry, the record issue is namecheap but the elephant haters are godaddy
01:56<Peng>SelfishMan: I don't use GoDaddy. Though I did once when I was younger and even more naive back in like 2003.
01:56<SelfishMan>gandi is pretty solid I'm told
01:56<@heckman>Peng: same
01:56<Peng>Wait, uh. More like 2005 probably.
01:56<@heckman>Peng: how old are you? o_O
01:56<Peng>heckman: Younger than you!
01:56<@heckman>no wai
01:56<rnowak>oh gosh
01:57<Jimmy>The same steps as were given in the Linode's cron tutorial
01:57<@Praefectus>Peng: so you were what? 12? when you used godaddy?
01:57*Solver hearts gandi
01:57<Jimmy>The cron runs but cannot create custom log and thus breaks in between.
01:57<@heckman>Jimmy: I'm asking for the commands that *you* ran, not what the article told you to run.
01:58<Peng>Praefectus: Eh, more like 13-14 probably?
01:58<bob2>gandi's so expensive!
01:58<bob2>like DOLLARS more than namecheap
01:58<@heckman>Oh god, he is younger. Hah
01:58<Peng>heckman: Yup.
01:58<@heckman>The punch line of Gandi is "no bullshit"
01:59<@heckman>That's awesome
01:59<bob2>peng was haxoring in the womb
01:59<Peng>bob2: But really, really badly.
01:59<bob2>afaik thoise loggerhead patches have not landed yet ;p
02:00<Solver>bob2: true but I get to avoid the garish websites of commercial registrars
02:00<bob2>Solver: +1 for your values
02:00<@heckman>I need to find food
02:00<Solver>bob2: ;)
02:00<bob2>I'm a lazy tightass so have one domain with godaddy
02:00<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:00<bob2>heckman: raid mikegrb's desk for cake
02:00<rnowak>elephant-murderer supporter!
02:00<Solver>all my domains except those nder .au & .ca are with gandi
02:01<@heckman>bob2: off tonight
02:01<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:01<@Praefectus>bob2: theres actually cake on the counter
02:01<Solver>i'd switch those too if I could
02:01<Jimmy>0,14 * * * * /usr/bin/php /srv/www/
02:01<bob2>.au luckily has Anchor
02:01<@heckman>Jimmy: where are you entering this command at?
02:01<bob2>who are also mostly bullshit-free
02:02<@heckman>Are you just typing that on your BASH prompt?
02:02<Solver>bob2: hmm I haven't heard of them. I'll check them out
02:02<@heckman>Because entering that line on your prompt is going to cause the shell to go "Uh, I have no idea what you're trying to do"
02:02<@heckman>Which may explain why it's not working
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02:03<Jimmy>0,14 * * * * /usr/bin/php /srv/www/
02:04<rnowak>cool, must bring in quite a bit of traffic
02:04<@heckman>Jimmy: running that at your bash prompt isn't going to make it instantly install the cron job
02:05<Takyoji>Sooo; when will the Linode DNS servers be available on IPv6? :P
02:05<linbot>New news from forums: Linode Data Center #6 in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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02:06<Peng>Takyoji: The website just says it will be done, not when. Actually, it kind of implies it will be done immediately. Which has not happened.
02:06<Peng>That would be nice, though!
02:07<Jimmy1>I added that in the cron's file using crontab -e
02:07<Takyoji>Only states rDNS for IPv6
02:07<@heckman>Jimmy: which user are you when you ran crontab -e?
02:07<rnowak>would be better if you were root
02:08<Jimmy1>yes am running as root
02:08<@heckman>You may want to check two things. 1.) System logs for any errors that happened when trying to run the job. 2.) System's PHP logs to look for the same thing.
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02:08<erik`>and when will get AAAA? maybe just for even? :)
02:09<Jimmy1>Oket let me check the logs
02:09<@heckman>erik`: Our stuff is in Dallas. So I imagine it will be looked in to once Dallas goes live for IPv6
02:09<@heckman>Jimmy1: You should also rethink running a publicly visible PHP script as root...
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02:10<Takyoji>ahh alright, good
02:10<@heckman>I need to go looking for food somewhere in South Jersey.
02:10<rnowak>lets see if google can help us on your quest heckman !
02:10<Jimmy1>I understand that but i want to get this working first..
02:10<Takyoji>"soon" means "kinda sorta within a month" for Dallas, yus?
02:10<@heckman>There's Wawa and McDonalds I think...
02:10<@heckman>Takyoji: No idea.
02:11<richard432>anyone knows answer for this
02:11<richard432>let me know can we install FreeSwitch and FreePBX in nginx
02:11<@heckman>Takyoji: We're working with our upstream providers to get the stuff ready. So once everything is ready to go, you'll know.
02:11<bob2>if you're going to run voip stuff on your linode you'll need to know what you're doing
02:11<bob2>but the answer is almost certainly yes
02:12<Takyoji>So it is the colocation providers that are providing the IPv6?
02:12<rnowak>heckman: this is very tricky to google for!
02:12<bob2>Takyoji: linode appears to have its own space but relying on the colos to announce it
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02:12<erik`>wherever you are, you need transits that support ipv6
02:12<Takyoji>When I looked at the IPv6 AS for Newark, it looked like it was handled by Linode, rather than the colocation provider
02:13<Jimmy1>I just checked the sys log an found:
02:13<Jimmy1>May 10 02:00:01 myhost CRON[8760]: (root) CMD (/usr/bin/php /srv/www/
02:13<@heckman>That's saying it ran the script
02:13<Jimmy1>And no error in the log.
02:13<Takyoji>Since there wasn't really any other IPv6 blocks under the same Autonomous Systems
02:13<rnowak>Takyoji: they still need to have the infrastructure setup for linode to be able to use their things
02:13<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
02:14<rnowak>that wasn't a verb.
02:14<@heckman>rnowak: negative, win for me.
02:14<Jimmy1>To make the file able to write a custom log do i have to do something special?
02:14<@heckman>rnowak: it took you 7 seconds to think about it
02:14*Praefectus didnt read it as a verb either
02:14<rnowak>no, I was actually busy laughing at Unity on the ubuntu forums
02:15<@heckman>rnowak: that's 7 seconds you'll never get back
02:15<Jimmy1>Just a text file in the folder
02:15<@heckman>rnowak: lies
02:15<@heckman>Jimmy1: we have no idea what the file does, to be honest. Kind of hard to troubleshoot a mysterious PHP file.
02:15<rnowak>I bet it interconnects CLOUDZ
02:16<Jimmy1>When i run the file from browser it works fine..
02:16<Jimmy1>Also it ran properly on my old server
02:16<Jimmy1>Which means the php script is doing the job fine
02:17<Jimmy1>But when executed from cron it does not create the custom log and
02:17<Jimmy1>not sending the email (using php mail function)
02:18<rnowak>you're most likely using two different php configurations for the two environments.
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02:25<[jmartinez]>thanks for the help guys, got my first linode all up and running
02:26<[jmartinez]>is there a control panel you would reccomend?
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02:27<rnowak>I wouldn't wish control panels on my worst enemies
02:27<@Praefectus>rnowak: bob2 had it right, no need for corrections
02:27<bob2>rnowak: soft
02:27<bob2>highlighting is for kids
02:28<rnowak>I'll take my highlighting and pretty coloring and things tyvm!
02:28<@Praefectus>unecessary fluff
02:28<@Praefectus>real men use vi
02:28<@Praefectus>noobs use nano
02:28<rnowak>and realer men use sed
02:29<[jmartinez]>so you find it faster to use ssh for tasks like database and php admin?
02:29<Solver>hell yes
02:29<@Praefectus>it depends on how familiar you are
02:29<rnowak>you also know what you're doing... well... given that you know what you're doing
02:29<[jmartinez]>I guess I will get faster with time
02:29<@Praefectus>if all youve used is phpmyadmin or control panels, its gonna take you time to get used to cli
02:29<[jmartinez]>Took me an hour to do somthing I did it 3 minutes through cpanel
02:29<Solver>sysadmins need to be able to get stuff fixed under less than ideal conditions
02:30<rnowak>Yeah man, doing things under heavy fire from nerf guns is heavy duty
02:30<Solver>we can't assume a gui or net access (web i/f) will even be a available
02:30<[jmartinez]>I get the ssh usage from a sysadmin perspective
02:31<Solver>if you can fix stuff from the cli then you're good with ssh or the console
02:31<Solver>rnowak: :)
02:31<[jmartinez]>This is literally my first time runnung my own server so everything just seems a little slow in comparison
02:31<[jmartinez]>what is cli?
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02:31<Solver>command line interface
02:32<@Praefectus>rnowak: you had it easy, back when i was a kid they made us fix servers while under fire with live ammo
02:32<Solver>Jimmy1: it takes longer to learn the cli but it is worth it imho
02:32<[jmartinez]>I have been using terminal and coda = cli?
02:32<rnowak>You will get better with time if you have the time and will to learn. If you at the point where you know how it all works, and how to do things when shit hits the fan, still think you want to use a control panel, go right ahead - but chances are, you won't.
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02:32<@Praefectus>they even dive bombed us with rc choppers
02:32<rnowak>Praefectus: that's rad bro
02:32<rnowak>[jmartinez]: command line interface
02:33<[jmartinez]>rnowak: I understand.
02:33<@Praefectus>you ever try jumpin for cover in a half full cab?
02:33<@Praefectus>causes a lot of power outtages
02:34<rnowak>I unfortunately think I'd get bored to death doing sysadmining as a fulltime job
02:36*purrdeta uses webmin because I still have to know how the shit behind it works
02:37<rnowak>if there was a CP which just had one big button that did what I want it to do, I'd so use it.
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02:41*Praefectus can code that for you
02:42<Hoggs>"I can fix that"
02:43<@Praefectus>well its gonna skip everything else thats just wasted time and go right to the redeploy
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02:45<Peng>rnowak: It's one of those red Easy Buttons, right?
02:45<rnowak>it will look exactly the way you want it to look
02:45<@Praefectus>Peng: ericoc has one of those on his desk lol
02:47<linbot>New news from forums: Downsize Linode 1024 to Linode 512 in Sales Questions and Answers <>
02:47<@heckman>^easy button
02:49<Erik2>question related to catching all emails from a domain and piping it with a php file on linode ubuntu 10.4
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02:51<Erik2>I added in the /etc/aliases - catch_emails: "|/srv/www/site/public_html/emails.php"
02:52<Erik2>and in the virtual I added catch_emails
02:53<Erik2>but it isn;t working the way it should
02:56<[jmartinez]>What do you recommend for FTP on ubuntu?
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02:56<Obsidian|server>why is that in the webroot if you're not using it for the web
02:56<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
02:56<Obsidian|server>sftp ftw
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02:56<Erik22>anyone to help with the cron issue?
02:57<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
02:57<Erik22>and email piping issue
02:57<@heckman>I have no idea about the e-mail issue
02:57<Obsidian|server>did my connection drop at all?
02:57<Erik22>I posted above with the name "erik2" (closed the window by mistake :X)
02:58*Obsidian|server smacks his server
02:58<Erik22>I can explain the problem again
02:58<bob2>Erik22: forgot to show us logs
02:58<bob2>no need to repeat
02:58<Erik22>sure, let me show the log
02:59<Erik22>1 min
02:59<SNy>Wait, don't post it right here, use pastebin.
02:59<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
02:59<bob2>that pastebin is fucking terrible
03:00<@heckman> could use some updaterating.
03:00<[jmartinez]>I am trying to install a plugin via the wordpress admin. SO you would suggest that I SFTP directly instead of using the plugin installer tool?
03:00<bob2>running ftp on localhost isn't totally stupid
03:00<bob2>but I prefer to not let php pwn itself on disk
03:01<@heckman>Could also do what I do. :P
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03:03<Erik22>ok the problem is that tries to go to (I am catching emails and trying to pipe with php to catch_email that is added in virtual)
03:03<Erik22>log says that postfix/pipe to=<>,>
03:04<bob2>your summary is not useful, we need the real logs
03:04<Erik22>yeh giving that 1 sec
03:05<SamT|Laptop>Does anyone run TF2 servers off of a linode?
03:05<Peng>Probably someone does...
03:05<Obsidian|server>SamT|Laptop: considering it now eh
03:05<Obsidian|server>meanwhile, TICKET FILED WITH MY OWN HOST
03:05<SamT|Laptop>Oh really. how's the ram usage?
03:05*Obsidian|server gets out pitchfork, torch
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03:07<bob2>looks a lot like you fucked up the copy paste
03:07<@heckman>I was doing something similar and the e-mail was ending up in /var/spool/mail
03:07<bob2>by using nano I think
03:07<@heckman>or whichever folder it was
03:07<Erik22>lol only changed the domain name and gmail id :)
03:07<Erik22>nothing else
03:07<bob2>line 6 is truncated
03:07<Erik22>rest is all as it is in the log
03:07<bob2>anyway, /etc/aliases aren't for virtual domains
03:07<@heckman>Erik22: Line 6 is truncated, see the '$'?
03:08<@heckman>Sorry, linde 5
03:08<Obsidian|server>nano output?
03:08<Erik22>ahhhh I see why line 6 is truncated cos I copied from putty and it copied the visible screen part only
03:08<@heckman>nano urmom
03:08<Erik22>sorry about that
03:08<@heckman>use the tail command...
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03:09<rnowak>if you ever want to fill /dev/null just redirect urmom's stdout there
03:11<Erik22>so bob2, you said /etc/aliases wont work for virtual domains
03:11<[jmartinez]>Wordpress can't create the uploads directory. Permissions on the wp-content folder are 755, owned by root.
03:11<Erik22>any suggestions how I can make it work?
03:11<bob2>[jmartinez]: yes, you need to make a hole for it
03:12<bob2>Erik22: no idea what you'
03:12<bob2>re doing or why
03:12<Erik22>what I am trying to do is that on my site people post comments and an email goes to other users
03:12<[jmartinez]>make a hole for it? do explain, please.
03:12<rnowak>I'd rather disable uploads than just allowing them like these wordpress et al. allow them
03:12<Obsidian|server>...chown to your webserver user
03:12<Erik22>those users can comment back by replying to the email they get
03:13<Erik22>in that email "replyto" is a
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03:13<Erik22>I hope the "need" is clear now
03:14<@heckman>Erik22: you using postfix?
03:14<@heckman>Erik22: have you looked at the "Basic Postfix Email Gateway" articles:
03:15<@heckman>There is a section in there that explains how to do this
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03:15<Erik22>I checked it sometime ago, Haven't checked it lately and will do it right away
03:15<@heckman>well, let me correct. It looks like it's what you want.
03:16<Erik22>ok back
03:16<Erik22>I checked that link already
03:16<Erik22>but no, that isnt gonna help
03:16<Erik22>ok so let me ask something different but related to this only
03:17<rnowak>sorry, one question per ticket, please come again *hangs up*
03:17<Erik22>in normal cpanel, we can catch all the emails in one email ID for a domain
03:17<bob2>normal cpanel
03:17<bob2>you can buy cpanel if you want
03:17<Erik22>thanks, wire me $122/year and I will :D
03:17<bob2>uh no
03:17<bob2>not sometime I want to encourage
03:18<rnowak>perhaps he should send you the invoice for the time he spends trying to help you right now
03:18<Erik22>sure sure
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03:18<Erik22>ok so back to the question
03:18<Erik22>how about I collect all the emails to one email ID
03:19<Erik22>and then try to pipe that email ID to php
03:19<bob2>your question is "How do I invoke a from postfix when mail arrives for a user at a virtual-hosted domain"
03:19<Erik22>though I know that will be like ending up with a lot of junk on my server though :D
03:21<Erik22>the question is "How do I pipe an email coming to from any domain (gmail, yahoo, private, etc) to a php file"
03:21<bob2>ie make a virtual alias to a local user
03:21<bob2>Erik22: that question is crap
03:21<bob2>er local alias
03:21<bob2>the question sucks because the answer is trivial if the domain is not virtualhosted
03:21<bob2>the key issue is that it is
03:22<Erik22>the domain is virtualhosted i.e. (example only)
03:23<Erik22>adding catch_email
03:24<Erik22>to /etc/postfix/virtual
03:24<Erik22>means forwarding all the emails to a "user" called "catch_email"
03:24<bob2>I'm pretty sure you're using mysql for the virtual table
03:25<rnowak>can't you just break the sql query it uses so that it always returns the same?
03:25<Erik22>then why does it say in the log that postfix/pipe[10675]: 9B834CEF9: to=<>, orig_to=<>,
03:25<Erik22>in the mail.log
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03:26<bob2>Erik22: also
03:26<newtome>anybody can tell me is it safe to change the kernal version?
03:26<newtome>Will it delete all my data?
03:26<dcraig>for ipv6 in dallas, have they mentioned whether "soon" means a week, a month, or what?
03:26<Erik22>so it is clearly trying to "forward" that email to "" instead of piping it to the PHP files I specified in the /etc/aliases
03:26<bob2>newtome: no
03:26<dcraig>changing the kernel will not delete your data
03:26<bob2>Erik22: god
03:26<phyber>newtome: it's fine, your data won't be deleted. you'll just be running a different kernel.
03:27<bob2>newtome: you should always have bacckups, though
03:27<Erik22>lol @ bob2
03:27<bob2>Erik22: step one: make virtual alias that points at BONGHITS
03:27<newtome>Thank you , bob2
03:27<Peng>newtome: Do you have an @reboot cronjob that deletes all your data if hte kernel version has changed...?
03:27<bob2>Erik22: step two: add BONGHITS alias to /etc/aliases, have it invoke a script
03:27<Erik22>I know you are frustrated already, and I appreicate your patience
03:27<bob2>Erik22: step three: run newaliases
03:27<bob2>Erik22: but really, read the pci spec
03:27<Erik22>and I wish I could be any easy
03:27<Peng>newtome: As bob2 said, having backups is always important, though. Things can go wrong with upgrades.
03:27<Erik22>ok thanks, will try
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03:44<Peng>This might be a dumb question, but: Can TCP do anything that SCTP *can't*? In other words, would universally replacing TCP with SCTP be possible & a good thing?
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03:48<SamT|Laptop>While SCTP may be a superior protocol, most network products have been designed and tested to work with TCP system. Just like any other change to a system as distributed as the internet, adoption will be, unfortunately, slow.
03:49<SamT|Laptop>Even with backwards compatibility in mind, there really is no telling what sort of mayhem unrolling something like with haste could have on the network infrastructures of the world.
03:50<SamT|Laptop>Wow, I am skipping words all over the place tonight.
03:50<erik`>look at ipv6 for an example :>
03:50<SamT|Laptop>Exactly :P
03:50<erik`>and ipv6 is easier: there is a very very clear need
03:50*SamT|Laptop thinks it's time to go to bed
03:51<@heckman>Dude, IPv6 is sexy.
03:51<@heckman>I love how everything is less latency
03:52<erik`>it's true
03:52<erik`>i found 50x lower latency on ipv6 once
03:52<Peng>SamT|Laptop: Sure. I was ignoring such issues in my question. It was one of those "ideal world" things where we're all on IPv6 and such. :P
03:52<SamT|Laptop>Wouldn't the increased address space also bloat the packet size a bit, thereby increasing the amount of data per packet and therefor the latency?
03:52<SamT|Laptop>Peng: yeah, I kinda figured that
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03:53<Peng>SamT|Laptop: Yes, but not very much.
03:54<SamT|Laptop>I haven't done any sort of benchmarking (nor do I have interest in performing any) with IPv4 and v6 systems, so I only have reason to lead off of here in terms of IPv6 performance
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03:54<@heckman>Also, I believe IPv6 normally operates at lower MTUs. I wonder if that improves the latency
03:55<@heckman>1286 I think is the MTU
03:55<Peng>It's not 1286, but it's around there.
03:55<@heckman>I'm flipping some numbers I think
03:55<Peng>I'm not sure I would say "normally".
03:55<SamT|Laptop>Doesn't IPv6 also allow for faster routing? despite the increased address space, the way they are layed out allows for something.
03:56<SamT|Laptop>Specifically what it is escapes me for the moment.
03:56*SamT|Laptop goes to find that article
03:56<Peng>Shrug. I use 1480 (tunnel) and I haven't run into issues; I dunno if half my connections negotiate lower or something, though.
03:57<@heckman>Internet. The inherently broken system Pokemon
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03:58<erik`>ipv6 can do large MTUs too
03:58<erik`>but the minimum is 1280
03:58<@heckman>That's it
03:59<@heckman>I see lots of people using minimum
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04:01<[jmartinez]>What does this mean? Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8)
04:01<@heckman>service apache2 restart
04:01<@heckman>instead of /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
04:01<@ericoc>/etc/rc.d/httpd restart <3
04:01<@heckman>I tell Ubuntu to kiss my rear and init.d anyway
04:02<erik`>heckman, same here
04:02<encode>me too
04:02<@heckman>ericoc: be quiet or I'll inject trojanz into your unsigned ArchLinux packages
04:02<encode>especially since 8.04 doesn't have the service command
04:02<[jmartinez]>I am trying to restart vsftp and get this error: restart: Unknown instance:
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04:02<@ericoc>heckman: <333
04:02<@heckman>ericoc: <333
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04:03<SamT|Laptop> /etc/init.d/apache2 for the win
04:04<SamT|Laptop>The only way to run apache
04:04<encode> * Usage: /etc/init.d/apache2 {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload|start-htcacheclean|stop-htcacheclean|status}
04:04<encode>SamT|Laptop: the script would disagree with your previous statement
04:04<[jmartinez]>Why is setting up FTP so freaking difficult?!!!
04:04<encode>[jmartinez]: because it's evil and insecure
04:04<[jmartinez]>I am reading that proFTP is easier?
04:04<encode>and you should be using sftp or scp
04:05<SamT|Laptop>I am using proftpd with a MySQL backend, looking into setting up sftp with it
04:05<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
04:05<SamT|Laptop>Which is hard considering I only have virtual FTP users
04:05<@heckman>SFTP jails ftw
04:05<[jmartinez]>without ftp, how do I allow for wordpress image uploads, etc...?
04:06<@heckman>[jmartinez]: change ownership of your wordpress directory to that of the user running the PHP scripts
04:06<SamT|Laptop>wordpress does PHP uploads
04:06<@heckman>usually www-data
04:06<SamT|Laptop>When you go to update wordpress, you will be using sftp which is a more secure way to transfer files.
04:06<@heckman>chown -R /location/of/where/wordpress/is
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04:06<Peng>Hmm, my ip_dst_cache shows one IPv4 IP with a 1492 MTI/.
04:08<[jmartinez]>how do I determine the user of the script?
04:08<SamT|Laptop>ls -l
04:08<@heckman>[jmartinez]: you using apache?
04:08<@heckman>www-data should be right
04:08<SamT|Laptop>that should show you the owner, group, and other information about files
04:08<@heckman>ps aux | grep apache2
04:08<@heckman>see who's running it
04:08<@heckman>SamT|Laptop: He means who is executing PHP scripts
04:08<SamT|Laptop>ah, whoops
04:09<[jmartinez]>root 3771 0.0 1.4 31996 7184 ? Ss 00:01 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start
04:09<@heckman>That's the parent process
04:09<@heckman>You could just cheat and do: ps auxcf
04:09<@heckman>Look at the spawned processes
04:09<SamT|Laptop>Access your site if there are no processes spawned (unlikely though)
04:10<@heckman>There should be atleast one child process waiting for someone to connect
04:10<[jmartinez]>ok, so what am I looking for?
04:10<SamT|Laptop>See where it says "root" on the line you gave?
04:10<SamT|Laptop>what does it say for the other apache processes?
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04:11<SamT|Laptop>That's the header of ps aux
04:11<@heckman>JUST GOT OWNED
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04:11<@heckman>Josh: do not paste it here
04:11<@heckman>Or I will rage
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04:12<@heckman>Whichever pastebin you want
04:13<SamT|Laptop>www-data it is
04:13<SamT|Laptop>we have a winner
04:13<@heckman>ps auxcf <3
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04:14<SamT|Laptop>I like how it displays the child processes
04:14<SamT|Laptop>that's really nifty
04:14<jmartinez>alright, so now I do what... :)
04:14<jmartinez>(I really appreciate the help!)
04:15<@heckman>SamT|Laptop: never used auxcf before?
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04:15<SamT|Laptop>heckman: I have always used ps aux
04:16<@heckman>I got bored one day and decided to figure out what other coolness I could do with `ps`. I found that one to be the most useful
04:16<@heckman>Well, ps auxf is good too
04:16<SamT|Laptop>Ah, ps aux has always shown me what I needed, but auxcf looks pretty cool
04:16<@heckman>If you want to see the good command
04:16<@heckman>er, I mean full command
04:17<jmartinez>I lost my window with that newb paste attempt. What exactly was I supposed to do now that I know the user is www-data?
04:17<@heckman>chown -R www-data:www-data /location/of/wordpress/files
04:17<@heckman>run that as root when connected via SSH
04:18<SamT|Laptop>^ That command willl change the owner (chown) of /location/of/wordpress/files to the user "www-data" and the group "www-data" which is the default for your web-accessible documents.
04:18<@heckman>jmartinez: it can do great things, and horrible things. So always make sure wordpress is up to date
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04:18<@heckman>speaking of
04:19<@heckman>Quick and painless
04:19<jmartinez>So am I going just to the sites public_html or the wp-content folder?
04:20<SamT|Laptop>I'd do public_html to make sure all files are consistent and belong to the www-data user as they should
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04:22<@heckman>I kinda want to put a "LodgeIt" pastebin on one of my Linodes.
04:22<@heckman>It seems pretty awesome
04:22<jmartinez>Worked perfectly
04:23<@heckman>Good deal
04:24<SamT|Laptop>"This pastebin was developed by Paul Dixon and runs on a Linode 300. "
04:24<@heckman>That drove me nuts for a bit as I was an idiot and had NginX and php-fpm running as different users.
04:24<SamT|Laptop>Does linode offer a linode 300?
04:24<@heckman>But the pastebin does suck something fierce. The line wrapping is the killer.
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04:25<SamT|Laptop>I am thinking of getting a linode 512 to replace my gameserver
04:25<@heckman>If would be perfect if it wasn't for the wrapping of teh lines
04:25<SamT|Laptop>I am thinking of getting a linode 512 to replace my gameserver
04:25<@heckman>If would be perfect if it wasn't for the wrapping of teh lines
04:25<@heckman>I wonder if this is fixed
04:25<SamT|Laptop>been up too long... lines burning together
04:26-!-mode/#linode [-b VS_ChanLog_!*@*] by heckman
04:26<@heckman>sweet it is
04:26-!-mode/#linode [-b VSChanLog_!*@*] by heckman
04:26<@heckman>I cannot remember which it was
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04:27*SamT|Laptop waits for someone to speak up regarding running a game server on their linode
04:27<@heckman>Good luck!
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04:28<SamT|Laptop>I am paying $15.15 for basically shared hosting that provides a 20-man game server
04:28<SamT|Laptop>for $5 more, I could have my own box with control over it and dedicated resources
04:28<SamT|Laptop>(well VPS)
04:29<ab222>with the api anyone know how to get DomainID from an existing account
04:31<@heckman>ab222: are you asking how to do that?
04:32<jmartinez>I am installing W3 total cache for wordpress. Does anyone know if opcode APC is the best way to go?
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04:32<SamT|Laptop>there really isn't a best way, but I have had success with APC
04:33<@heckman>of course replace $KEY with your API key
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04:33<@heckman>That will spit our the domains in a JSON format
04:33<ab222>this list all domains can i set it for just one
04:33<@heckman>You asked for the domainID
04:33<ab222>for just one domain
04:34<@heckman>That lists your domains, you can then dig through the data and look for the domain Id that you want
04:34<@heckman>It cannot match by string.
04:34<@heckman>If you already know the DomainID you can specify that to only list that one domain.
04:34<@heckman>But if you don't know the DomainID numeric you need to look through that
04:36<Peng>heckman: You could install LodgeIt on :D
04:36<@heckman>I'm not sure that *I* could
04:36<@heckman>but yeah
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04:38<Peng>heckman: Well, if you can't, trick one of your colleagues into SSHing into the box and then whack 'em on the head?
04:38<@heckman>I mean, I could just be like "I can haz? :D" and hope for the best.
04:39<jmartinez>What's going on here?
04:39<Peng>'s v6 connectivity is down, and since Firefox+SSH doesn't fall back to IPv4, I can't go to their website and whine about it. :D
04:39<@heckman>fallbacking to IPv4 is a must
04:40<Peng>Indeed. But it doesn't.
04:40<@heckman>Peng: psandin has some sexiness running in his house. He turned a spare Ubuntu box into a tunnelbroker gateway
04:41<@heckman>So, his PCs are getting v4 addresses from he router, v6 from this Ubuntu box, and it just WORKS
04:41<@heckman>I'm thinking I may replace my router and give Comcast's 6to4 a go
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04:56<hawk>heckman: My "home router" (openwrt) has a tunnelbroker tunnel and advertises the assigned prefix to the internal network too (in addition to private v4 addresses+nat), I'd assume a setup like that is somewhat common in a techy crowd like this.
04:57<@heckman>Yeah. I'd do that but my router doesn't dig OpenWRT. So I'm looking to go with one of the Buffalo routers that come with DD-WRT
04:57<@heckman>It should do the needful
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04:58<Peng>Not that I've done any actual research, but isn't v6 in DD-WRT kind of a PITA>
04:59<@heckman>Not really. Just need to enable it manually and do a little bit of configurationn.
04:59<@heckman>You need to have it bring the tunnel up at boot, if I remember correctly
05:01<hawk>Well, it's definitely preferrable if the tunnel is brought up, anyway ;)
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05:05<seant23>How long does it usually take to get a linode account activated?
05:05<seant23>I'm kinda in a rush for a project I'm doing...
05:05*Peng eyes heckman
05:06<@heckman>Normally it's instantly. But if your sign up is flagged as high risk it can get placed in our manual activation queue
05:06<seant23>I'm an America, but I'm in China right now, I wonder if that would cause it
05:07<@heckman>It's quite possible. But, that's not important. Welcome to Linode!! ;)
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05:07<@heckman>Your login should be active now
05:07<praetorian>hecknman seems to be the 24h service desk
05:07<seant23>heckman: Thank you sir
05:08<@heckman>I'm actually at home right now
05:08<@heckman>seant23: np. Let us know if you need anything
05:08<praetorian>even your fellow workmates laughed at that one
05:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
05:08<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
05:08<praetorian>shh dont give it away!
05:08<praetorian>it made you look.. well.. :P
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05:09<praetorian>you need to find a good pub.
05:09<@heckman>At 5:09am?
05:09<seant23>heckman: Do you think the Europe server would run quickest for me? Since I'm in China? or would another one be better suited?
05:09<praetorian>heckman: yes. you should just be walking out of it.. :)
05:09<Peng>seant23: Fremont would probably be best, but you can check for yourself at that link.
05:09<@heckman>Normally China's best location is Fremont. But the GFW causes all sorts of nightmares.
05:09<praetorian>there is lots of internets between
05:14<Peng>seant23: Internet-wise, a quick hop across the Pacific is generally much better than winding your way across all of Eurasia.
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05:15<@heckman>Peng: urmom wound we way across Eurasia...and then she had you. :P
05:16<Peng>I know she's been to Eur, but I dunno about Asia.
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05:30<praetorian>ive been to paradise but ive never been to me.
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06:27<Mike2>when trying to run a php file from a piped php file, it says Command died with
06:27<Mike2> status 1 Command output: Could not open input file
06:27<Mike2>ubuntu, postfix
06:28<bob2>like it says
06:28<bob2>but what on earth does "rying to run a php file from a piped php file" mean
06:29<Mike2>ahhhh I meant there is a php file piped with email pipe command
06:29<Mike2>in of postfix
06:30<bob2>you again?
06:30<Mike2>o yes
06:30<bob2>why would you do that
06:30<Mike2>I am after this thing and woppie!!!!
06:30<Mike2>i got it to work
06:30<Mike2>just the last .1% left
06:30<Mike2>then my life will be heaven again :D
06:30<bob2>why would you run php from
06:31<Mike2>transport maps
06:32<bob2>did you read the link I gave you before?
06:32<Mike2>mail goes into the server, transport maps using redirects them to the php script
06:32<Mike2>yes I did
06:32<Mike2>and I read millions of other sites too
06:32<StevenK>Clearly, millions
06:32<Mike2>so as far as I think I am on the right track ^.^
06:32<@Praefectus>yes, millions, no exaggeration whatsoever
06:33<Mike2>so just gotta fix the last bit if someone can help :D
06:33<StevenK>Praefectus: :-)
06:33*Praefectus wants to see a list of EVERY site contained in the stated "millions"
06:33<linbot>New news from forums: Jailed User SFTP - access by other user in General Discussion <>
06:34<praetorian>does the 'php' script just do a sql query?
06:36<Mike2>so the last bit is that the command (transport) added to with the user apache but when it runs, it gives the error Command died with status 1 Command output: Could not open input file:
06:36<bob2>pretty sure you just want an alias script
06:36<bob2>like we discussed hours ago
06:36<Mike2>yeh I got that part, and will be trying that as the next thing if the track I am on has reached the dead end already
06:37<bob2>just trying random things isn't a great idea
06:37<chesty>perl /dev/urandom
06:37<Mike2>well the point is that I am using the same approach as I did on the last server for several years without even a single issue
06:37<Mike2>so please understand
06:38<Mike2>ok so what I am doing in the, I added the transport and added apache as the user that has all the rights to read and write files/folders
06:38<@Praefectus>does not compute
06:38<praetorian>that seems to dangerous
06:39<Mike2>may blast anytime :D
06:39<praetorian>does not compute
06:39<chesty>d-b would xss your email server with that setup
06:39<praetorian>chesty: amitz even could
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06:43<amitz>amitz, the royalty.
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06:49<kapeels>what is the fastest way to transfer a file from a linode to another
06:50<kapeels>i have private network setup properly
06:50<@heckman>Is the remote Linode listening for SSH connections on the private IP?
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06:51<kapeels>i have ssh tunnels
06:51<chesty>scp is the slowest, but safest way
06:51<kapeels>the file's pretty big so I guess I'll have to use screen
06:51<@heckman>One the source machine just run: scp <file> <remote_user>@[private_ip]:/destination/location/
06:51<@heckman>chesty: if it's a single file I doubt it woudl make that much of a difference.
06:53<chesty>there's a bit of overhead in encrypting, maybe not noticeable on a linode, certainly noticeable at home
06:54<StevenK>rsync would also work, at a pinch
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06:59<kapeels>getting a file not found error
07:01<@heckman>When trying what method?
07:01<kapeels>how do I save file on a system with ssh..?
07:01<kapeels>`scp <file> <remote_user>@[private_ip]:/destination/location/` heckman
07:01<dominikh>"maybe not noticeable on a linode, certainly noticeable at home" ← doubt my Linode is that much more powerful than my home computer :)
07:02<@heckman>kapeels: that's odd, is it prompting you for the remote user's password?
07:02<kapeels>heckman: no, I have setup rsa auth..
07:02<@heckman>But are you atleast making an SSH connection?
07:03<kapeels>just a min
07:03<kapeels>did -v
07:03<kapeels>I can see `debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey).`
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07:04<@heckman>Try cd /dir/where/file/is && scp ./<filename> <remote-user>@[priv-ip]:/home/<remote-user>/
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07:32<HoopyCat>top-secret internal HE training video:
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07:34<Louis6321>HoopyCat, what is this crap?
07:34<encode>HoopyCat: i lol'd
07:34<bob2>"you can fail over the entire subnet." <- easily amused
07:34<@heckman>no comment
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07:38<heimdall>spacehobo for president!
07:39<erik`>bgp over zeroconf shouldn't be too hard...
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07:40<HoopyCat>this is a BGPv6 announcement: i am eating breakfast
07:40*HoopyCat receives bacon moments later
07:46<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
07:46<Peng>HoopyCat: It's Cogent bacon, so you can't access it, though.
07:48<HoopyCat>Peng: can too:
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08:07<Jerub>SpaceHobo: where did that hapen?
08:08<Jerub>SpaceHobo: if it was at fremont, it didn't cause any of my sessions to drop..
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08:10<HoopyCat>it happened in his dreams
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08:16<HoopyCat>he dreams in hungary
08:17<HoopyCat>therefore, you are hungarian
08:17<@heckman>I am hungry
08:21<amitz>the hungry hungarian harridly hung the hungrier hungarian.
08:24<amitz>because he hung like the hungriest hungarian.
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08:25<HoopyCat>I have considered it. I have also considered my own death.
08:28<amitz>I believe, when you manage to hung yourself better, you hung the best. No pun intended....yes, I lie :-p
08:30<chesty>a HoopyCat has 9 deaths
08:30<HoopyCat>i die a little bit inside every day
08:31<HoopyCat>regeneration takes care of most of it, of course, but still, there's a net loss of life
08:31<HoopyCat>for cats, death is not a series of points in time; it is an infinite continuum
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08:37<Louis6321>Hello fireye :)
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08:45<naxxfish>ums - apparently my linode has reached its IP limit and I can't add another one ... I only have 2 IPs (internal and external), I am confuse
08:45<@Praefectus>submit a ticket
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08:46<@Praefectus>with technical justification
08:46<@ericoc>we require technical justification for any and all additional IPv4 addresses
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08:46<@Praefectus>like the manager tells you: • Your Linode has reached its IP Limit. Please open a support ticket.
08:48<naxxfish>ahh, right, i see
08:48<naxxfish>i just wondered why i was limited to 1 IP - requiring a justification makes sense
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08:49<Jerub>does"I need a second IP to run a second DNS server on because I need redundancy" count? :P
08:50<AviMarcus>I got 1 extra w/o filing a ticket
08:50<AviMarcus>I thought you only need for the 3rd?
08:50<Zr40>Jerub: they're still on the same host if you do that
08:50<AviMarcus>Jerub, 2nd IP for redundancy on the same server??
08:51<Jerub>(my tounge is poking out of my face. see the P? that's my tounge. it implies humour or sarcasm)
08:51<hawk>Or possibly need for medical assistance?
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08:52<AviMarcus>"AWS Developer Forums: Life of our patients is at stake "
08:52<AviMarcus>Yes, HA for medical assistance! please provide 99.999% uptime w/o me paying or doing any sort of HA!
08:53<linbot>New news from forums: Need recommendation on books - LAMP (Debian / MySQL) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
08:54<JshWright>naxxfish: if you're in newark or fremont, you can get 4096 IPs
08:54<naxxfish>unfortunately, i'm in london
08:54<@heckman>JshWright: 4097
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08:54<@heckman>Btw JshWright is linsides IPv6?
08:54<JshWright>it is
08:54<JshWright>well, the newark servers are
08:55<naxxfish>although as soon as it's available I'm getting native IPv6 :D super mega awesomeness
08:55<@heckman>JshWright: so I guess you know about the IPv6 hotness?
08:55<@heckman>interdc = auto private-like network?
08:56<JshWright>I added AAAA records for and (and firewalled appropriately), already seeing a number of IPv6 clients for both
08:58<swaj>hmm, so linode's IPv6 between DC's counts as private traffic?
08:58<JshWright>er.. no
08:58<Nivex>IPv6 traffic *within* the DC
08:58<@heckman>that's what I meant
08:58<swaj>oh yeah I knew that
08:58<swaj>I thought heckman meant between DC's :P
08:59<JshWright>but with IPv6, you don't have to bring up a different address, it just works
08:59<swaj>I just want reverse DNS now, and I'll be quite happy :)
08:59<@heckman>Host your own?
09:00<Nivex>heckman: whoever owns the netblock has to host or delegate
09:00<@heckman>Nivex: slave zone in the Linode DNS Manager
09:00<swaj>I don't think Linode DNS manager does arpa zones even as a slave does it?
09:00<Nivex>heckman: is that your final answer?
09:00<@heckman>I'm doing it
09:01<swaj>seems like it would be very easy to overwrite other peoples blocks
09:01<praetorian>he did it
09:01<praetorian>swaj: it was ;)
09:01*praetorian wgiggles
09:02<@heckman>dig -x 2600:3c03::e:9010 +short
09:02<swaj>heckman: what's to stop you from putting a PTR record outside your 4096 addresses in that zone? Has linode protected against that?
09:03<Nivex>quick, someone get !
09:05<chesty>you know what going to be a pain, reading out ip addresses, 5 minutes later, no, i said 2600 colon
09:06*Nivex will wait for the manager to get the functionality of managing reverse for my single IP
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09:06<praetorian>chesty: i think you will find its possible to do that too
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09:06<praetorian>er Nivex
09:07<swaj>it wasn't when I tried yesterday
09:07<swaj>I have a host with an A and an AAAA, and the lookup seems to favor the A record.
09:07<Nivex>praetorian: I tried to add in the DNS manager. Said it wasn't valid.
09:07<Zr40>swaj: depends on that host's network setup
09:07<praetorian>i just added
09:07<praetorian>did you leave the prefixing . on?
09:08<swaj>that's why it wasn't valid for Nivex
09:08<swaj>Manager detects duplicate zones I believe
09:08<chesty>why is it so short? (that's WHAT SHE SAID)
09:08<praetorian>no i added it after nivex said it failed.
09:08<Nivex>chesty: *rimshot*
09:08<Nivex>praetorian: i had the trailing .
09:08<praetorian>yeah. i dont think thats required
09:08<chesty>the ' is though
09:09<praetorian>cheers love
09:09<Zr40>I know of a DNS manager where the lack of . means it's relative to the domain being edited
09:09<Nivex>well congrats, you own the reverse block for the Newark DC now
09:09<praetorian>semingly so
09:09<Nivex>I'm sure that matter will be remedied when the manager functionality goes online.
09:10<chesty>what did you call it praetorian?
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09:10<Nivex>in the meantime, we'll be sure to forward you all the requests for reverse entries
09:11<chesty>praetorian: can you host my rdns?
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09:13*Nivex goes to try and bring $WORK into the late 20th century
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09:13<Nivex>nah, just DHCP
09:13<@heckman>praetorian: PM
09:13<chesty>oooh, praetorian is in trouble
09:13<Nivex>praetorian: uh oh, now you gone and dunnit!
09:14<praetorian>oh no, who told the teacher
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09:19<praetorian>almost io time.
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09:34<praetorian>this looks rad.
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09:42<@heckman>praetorian: agreed
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09:44<linbot>New news from forums: [Postgresql] strange pattern in UPDATE/SELECT on one table in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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10:28<archon810>nybody else down in fremont?
10:28<JshWright>archon810: network issue?
10:28<archon810>is it?
10:28<JshWright>archon810: I have no idea...
10:28<archon810>are you confirming?
10:28<JshWright>I'm asking you to confirm
10:28<archon810>worst timing ever
10:29<archon810>i've no idea
10:29<archon810>on my way to Google I/O
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10:29<archon810>to cover it, and this happens
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10:29<linbot>JshWright: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 82.5ms
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10:30<archon810>probably just me then
10:30<JshWright>aside from the normal cross-atlantic issues, doesn't look like there's any serious loss to fremont
10:31<mwalling>archon810: mtr?
10:31<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
10:31<JshWright>yeah, in the future, running mtr will show you where the loss is occuring between you and your node
10:32<JshWright>9 times out of 10, it's a routing flap nowhere near the DC
10:32<mwalling>only 9?
10:32<JshWright>(granted with fremont, someone might have looked at the power system the wrong way...)
10:32<archon810>rebooting server
10:32<mwalling>archon810: dont do that
10:32<archon810>mwalling it's dead
10:32<mwalling>is it?
10:32<archon810>I suspect swap death
10:32<mwalling>you were complaining that you couldnt reach it
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10:32<JshWright>can you log in via lish?
10:32<archon810>I lished into it
10:33<archon810>it looks dead
10:33<mwalling>well in that case
10:33<JshWright>high I/O and CPU usage in the control panel?
10:33<archon810>that's the problem - no
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10:33<archon810>but it may have not been fast enough to update
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10:34<JshWright>logview in lish should tell you if OOMKiller started shooting stuff
10:36<archon810>ok it rebooted OK
10:36<archon810>false alarm
10:36<JshWright>archon810: LAMP box?
10:37<JshWright>might want to bump MaxClients down a bit
10:37<archon810>yeah, it hasn't gone down in months
10:37<archon810>like that
10:37<archon810>some moons aligned today
10:37<archon810>ok, back to I/O!
10:37<archon810>thanks guys
10:37<JshWright>all it takes is a weird traffic spike... no reason it could happen again in 2 days
10:37<archon810>need to upgrade to 2 servers anyway
10:38<archon810>split http and mysql
10:38<archon810>maybe 3
10:38<archon810>k later!
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10:54<cats>Does anyone know if it's possible to get an image of my VPS so that I can use it for backup? (from the Linode control panel)
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10:54<erik`>you could rsync
10:55<AviMarcus>!library dd
10:55<linbot>AviMarcus: Such a short query has millions of possibilities. My answer: 9
10:55<AviMarcus>that one, probably :P
10:55<AviMarcus>that's on the library? cool
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10:56*erik` is about to pick up a new 1.5TB disk for syncs from VPS to backup
10:56<cats>Thanks :)
10:57<AviMarcus>hmm, it recommends sshfs so you don't need rdiffbackup on the remote computer
10:57<JshWright>backing up bit-for-bit copies of your node? icky...
10:57<AviMarcus>rdiff on the remote machine w/o the sshfs is probably faster
10:57<AviMarcus>and less bandwidth
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11:10<Yaakov>When is Linode going to get IPv6?!
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11:11<gadams>Yaakov, you missed it
11:11<gadams>Yaakov, they launched it last week or two weeks ago
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11:11<Yaakov>Oh wait, I HAVE IPvSEXY. BOOYAH.
11:12<deejoe>around the time of that Fremont outage, wasn't it?
11:15*Perihelion slaps Yaakov around a bit with a large cactus
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11:16<cats>I can't seem to find the "console tab" in the Linode manager :|
11:17<cats>Trying to use a tutorial to create an image of the VPS
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11:17<@Perihelion>cats: It's under remote access
11:17<cats>ah, yeah found it
11:17<@Perihelion>No problem. Sorry about that
11:21<swaj>If you need RDNS for IPv6 in Newark, just ask praetorian, as he owns the zone in Linode DNS Manager :P
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11:24<Nivex>unless heckman schooled him on that
11:29<@heckman>Taken care of.
11:29<teadict>mm, how do I make this group's users to create files with this group's write permission by default?
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11:29<Pryon>SGID on parent directory?
11:30<teadict>so I've got userA and userB in groupX.. I want userA to create files with groupX write permission so userB can touch them
11:30*teadict googles
11:30<Pryon>and parent directory owned by group
11:30<linbot>New news from forums: OpenVPN TLS error? in Linux Networking <>
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11:32*teadict reads
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11:34<teadict>Pryon: thanks
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11:36<teadict>Pryon: mm, there were files in existance in this root dir... I should do the same recursevely
11:36<teadict>there! s's for all!
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11:39<teadict>why is sftp so slow? ):
11:40<jkwood>More specifically, the extra overhead created by using encryption.
11:41<teadict>if I ftp instead it will go faster?
11:41<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
11:42<teadict>well, I can ftp into it anyway.. connection refused
11:42<JshWright>teadict: how slow is it going?
11:42<teadict>JshWright: well, it is painful..
11:43<teadict>JshWright: give me a metric system and I tell you
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11:43<teadict>from 1 to 5... 5 being the fastest...
11:43<teadict>it's a 2, maybe 3
11:43<akerl>How much data are you transferring, and how long is it taking...
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11:43<Cromulent>teadict: if it is possible you can make uploads faster by taring or zipping everything first - sending lots of small files slows it down a lot
11:43<teadict>it's just for development, so scripts of about some kbs
11:44<akerl>How many little scripts?
11:44<teadict>I will try to make my codeveloper to use ssh and vim though, but temporarly it can't be done
11:44<teadict>akerl: it's one a time, he'll be using filezilla to do web development
11:44<JshWright>teadict: network throughput is typically measured in some form of bits/time
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11:45<teadict>let me transfer some shit
11:45<JshWright>teadict: if you're manging files related to a project, you should be using some sort of revision control software anyway
11:45<akerl>^^ this
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11:45<JshWright>stick them all in a mercurial repository, that way you only have to push the changes around
11:45<teadict>yes, I know
11:45<teadict>sftp is temporarly
11:46<teadict>nou! git!
11:46<Cromulent>different strokes...
11:46<Andrey_Ukraine>Hello. We tried to register and pay hosting and recived *We are sorry but the transaction is faled* What can be?
11:47<teadict>File transfer successful, transferred 4225 bytes in 2 seconds...
11:47<teadict>but it's the time it takes to list paths and so on
11:47<teadict>meh, I'll tell him to suck it up, sftp is temporarly anyway
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11:48<AviMarcus>or if an op speaks up.
11:48<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
11:49<Andrey_Ukraine>Ok thanks
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12:07<teadict>s bit makes everything orange!
12:08<Jippi>is invoices in London DC with or without VAT for EU citizens?
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12:09<kapeels>how do I find files that utilized more than X mb ?
12:09<kapeels>i guess something like
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12:09<kapeels>du -h | grep .....
12:09<JshWright>kapeels: man du
12:10<mwalling>does -size in find only do ==?
12:10<kapeels>bah.. fine.
12:10<JshWright>you also might want to man sort
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12:10<DephNet[Paul]>Jippi, without
12:11<Jippi>great :)
12:11<DephNet[Paul]>as Linode are an US company :P
12:12<Jippi>thought so
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12:14<mshuler>mwalling: you can use modifiers like -size +350M for larger than 350M
12:14<mwalling>kapeels: ^^
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12:15<kapeels>thanks . .:)
12:15<mwalling>mshuler: ^^
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12:18<kapeels>apparently, size doesnt seem to be valid option
12:18<mwalling>it is in mine
12:18<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
12:18<mwalling>that wasnt funny
12:18<mshuler>kapeels: my test was: find ./ -size +350M -exec ls -lh {} \;
12:19<kapeels>mshuler oh, I thought dh .. :)
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12:21<mwalling>kapeels: no, we were going back to my suggestion of find
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12:22<mshuler>find > du
12:22<mwalling>it depends on if you are FINDing things, or looking at your Disk Usage.
12:22<mshuler>well, true, du does mean... ;)
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12:50<Kebn>is there a reason to or to not host dns at linode?
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12:51<koala>Hello I have a question related to Linode support - is it the right place?
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12:54<JshWright>koala: perhaps
12:54<koala>My box rebooted 4 days - while I didn't initiate it. There was no panic / cpu or memory problem. The boot was triggered via a command.
12:54<JshWright>koala: are you in fremont?
12:54<koala>I wonder: could it be that I iptabled the box, and the backup process needs to access some ports?
12:55<koala>Oh.... ok !
12:55<JshWright>no, it was almost certainly becuase the host your node is running on can't run without power
12:55<koala>How come :-)
12:55<JshWright>and your node can't run without the host it's running on running
12:56<JshWright>you might want to stick in your news reader
12:56<koala>Ok, thanks! It's the 1st time I'm SO happy there was a power cut!
12:57<koala>Regarding iptables, Linode does not need to have some open ports right?
12:58<JshWright>what do you mean by "need"
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12:59<JshWright>you need to have ports open for any services you want to access
12:59<koala>I mean for backups for instance - does it need to have some ports that Linode handle?
12:59<JshWright>no, the backup service works directly on your disk images
12:59<koala>well, they could help themselves with the FS...
13:00<mwalling>koala: you could down your interfaces and it would still work
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13:00<koala>New to Linode. Thanks, this is the answer I was expecting. I'm so relieved,
13:01<mwalling>i woudl question their engineering skills if that was a requirement
13:01<erik`>i wonder how often emergency power actually fails or succeeds to catch a real outage
13:02<AviMarcus>the aggregate of all datacenters? probably somewhat often
13:02<erik`>you mainly hear of it when generators didn't work, obviously
13:02<mwalling>when your relays fall open (or closed), you can usually tell
13:02<koala>eg sony), better to be sure
13:02<JshWright>the generators worked at fremont, the switch to let them supply power to the DC didn't
13:03<erik`>same thing for what i mean :)
13:03<mwalling>erik`: does catch mean detect or prevent/mitigate?
13:03<erik`>so that everything in the dc keeps running despite external power failing
13:04<mwalling>i took "catch" to mean detect and begin mitigation, not the actual process of mitigating
13:04<erik`>because i hear quite often "external power failed, some part of the backup power too" but probably don't hear about the success stories
13:04<erik`>so i wonder how often backup systems fail
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13:05<mwalling>our corporate DC has a very good "score", but we also generate our own power from a cogen plant on site
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13:06<JshWright>my father used to work at a DC for a major bank, the facility was powered by generators 24/7, so there was no electrical cut-over in the even of power loss
13:07<JshWright>street power was used to power electric motors that spun massic flywheels, the flywheels in turn powered the generators
13:07<JshWright>in the event of a loss of power, automatic transmissions would disconnect the electric motors and engage diesel motors
13:08<rnowak>that's an interesting way of doing it, heh
13:08<JshWright>the interia in the flywheels was sufficient to maintain the building for the time it took to make the switch
13:08<mwalling>shit, at that rate they should have just run DC off the flywheels
13:08<rnowak>should just get a few hundred hamsters and you're set
13:08<mwalling>save conversion waste
13:09<AviMarcus>rnowak, but that costs food. and hamster food is expensive.
13:09<JshWright>they may have, I don't remember... I do know that all power in the building came from there, so they would have needed to run inverters for AC stuff at that point
13:10<mwalling>there are a couple utility scale flywheel energy storage plants out there
13:10<mwalling>theres also a compressed air one
13:10<mwalling>and of course your typical pump water up a hill at night, let it fall during the day
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13:23<nviror>Freebsd or Debian, which would you vote for?
13:23<JshWright>on a Linode?
13:23<JshWright>Debian will be _much_ easier
13:23<AviMarcus>freebsd crashes under load, if you get it running
13:24<AviMarcus>it doesn't have native xen support, afaik
13:24<teadict>I guess as sysadmins you'll enojy this
13:24<nviror>AviMarcus, thanks.
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13:25<pharaun>JshWright: how long would those flywheels keep going? just wondering what kind of time frame you have for actually switching power
13:26<erik`>usually 1-2 minutes, right?
13:26<AviMarcus>big ones can spin for a long time, can't they?
13:26<pharaun>yeah, just kind of wondering just "how big" those things were
13:26<JshWright>pharaun: I don't remember... this was 15 years ago, and I'm just remembering information from "go to work with Dad" days
13:26<pharaun>JshWright: ah k :)
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13:35<path>there is a resourvor nearby that fills up a lake at night and drains it during the day
13:36<path>it's pretty crazy.. but it's on the other side of the river from a nuclear plant.. so i guess that's to even things out
13:37<erik`>no nuclear plants nearby, but i eat banana's to compensate
13:38<path>that's it.. went hiking there once around the thing.. it was pretty visable to see the difference in water level
13:38<path>the nuke plant is just south of there
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13:39<AviMarcus>heh erik`
13:39<Karrde>Newlines in reddit don't make new paragraphs, because in 1928 an IBM engineer couldn't fit more than 80 rows of little holes in a piece of card.
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13:50<mwalling>path: nukes run flat out
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13:54<phaedral>I should be able run drupal 6 and current wordpress in debian 6 and do it all from repositories rather than building locally, yes?
13:55<phaedral>That's the only reason I might switch to ubuntu before I go any farther, to avoid building stuff
13:55<mwalling>they're php zip files
13:57<phaedral>I mean "installing anything other than by way of apt-get install..."
13:57<AlexC_>current wordpress? No
13:58<phaedral>Let me try again: I was talking yesterday with a chap who went ubuntu because debian, at the time, didn't have up to date ruby or rails
13:58<mwalling>i'd rather pull from
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13:58<mshuler>svn install/update wordpress is even better, imo
13:58<phaedral>I'm fine with manually updating wp or drupal, but I don't want to have to hand compile or even download from outside repos anything "system level" (an admittedly vague term)
13:58<@heckman>I've accomplished Guru on IPv6 HE cert.
13:58<AlexC_>phaedral: right, but does the version of RoR meet your requirements in Debian 6? Even if not, you can simply install RoR via Ruby Gems to what ever version you want
13:59<@heckman>Now I need to change registrars to get Sage
13:59<hawk>heckman: Go for it
13:59<mwalling>phaedral: then you should be fine
13:59<hawk>heckman: I hear you can get a t-shirt out of it
13:59<AlexC_>phaedral: I have to ask, why? What makes the Ubuntu or Debian repos more "secure" (I assume that's what you're wanting) than downloading from the *official* project website?
13:59<@heckman>I'll do it on payday
14:00<mshuler>phaedral: the debian drupal maintainer keeps things pretty current for squeeze via backports
14:00<mshuler>6.20 is in there currently
14:01<phaedral>AlexC_: I just want to rely on apt-get upgrade as much as possible. It's not security, it's laziness.
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14:02<AlexC_>well, lazyiness comes at a price =) But yes it's possible
14:02<mwalling>theres a bit of security in the lazyness too
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14:03<Keith>Oh man. You all might want to see an update to this forum thread I posted this once but it's been updated. One person is afraid that Lniode LLC will be bought out next.
14:04<phaedral>just noticed the "interesting statistics" box; ubuntu:debian 2:1
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14:05-!-mode/#linode [+R] by heckman
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14:05<Eman>well that was lovely
14:05<AlexC_>"This host may be infected"? Awesome.
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14:05<Obsidian|server>heckman: wtf?
14:05<Keith>See page two, it's faster than reading all the stuff-that's where the person is afraid that "we'll all be screwed as soon as Rackspace realizes how many customers can be bought from purchasing Linode." That's kind of what that person said on that last page. I sure hope does not get bought out by anyone, be it RackSpace or anyone else.
14:05<mwalling>i set the channe +R
14:05<@heckman>No idea
14:05*sub yawns
14:05<Obsidian|server>Oh bloody hell
14:05<sub>did anyone just feel a slight breeze?
14:05<@heckman>it's set
14:05<erik`>Keith, it killed slicehost :(
14:05<Obsidian|server>chanserv must be going nuts
14:05<mwalling>heckman: i set it
14:05<Eman>if linode got bought out, i'd be leaving fairly quickly
14:05<@heckman>Oh, thought I did in time
14:06<sub>18:05 -!- mode/#linode [+R] by heckman
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14:06<d-b>that was a lot of spam
14:06<@heckman>Yeah it was me, lol
14:06<mwalling>i had a god notice go by
14:06<Keith>Obsidion|server: Oh bloddy hell?
14:06<@heckman>Keith: the channel got flooded
14:06<phaedral>That was exciting. What the heck happened and should I be concerned?
14:06<Obsidian|server>I was alt-tabbing between my ide and my browser
14:07<Keith>Heckman: I wondered why my screenreader began to lag over here while I was trying to type.
14:07<Obsidian|server>saw all that scraming by my putty window
14:07<AlexC_>phaedral: seems like OFTC took a node offline, and no
14:07<mwalling>AlexC_: we did what?
14:07<d-b>AlexC_: not sure, way above you can see people joining
14:07<d-b>that appear to get killed later
14:07*mshuler de-crapifies his buffer..
14:07<AlexC_>mwalling: hum, 'we'?
14:08<Eman>mwalling is an oper
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14:08<AlexC_>mwalling: wait, confused. You're involved with OFTC?
14:09<mwalling>AlexC_: yes.
14:09<rnowak>AlexC_: /wii him, but don't touch him
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14:09<Obsidian|server>I think he's a network op
14:09<Obsidian|server>mwalling: thanks for +r'ing by the way
14:09<Obsidian|server>or +R'ing
14:09<@heckman>I got the +R first
14:09<mwalling>heckman: i got a god snote
14:09<@Perihelion>I see mwalling getting it first
14:09<@heckman>Hrm, maybe I lost some info
14:10<Obsidian|server>heckman: you're on the losing end of the lagstream :P
14:10<mwalling>heckman: no, network lag
14:10<rnowak>you lost ur dataz
14:10<@heckman>I have an alias set for that mode after..ahem..previous attacks
14:10<mwalling>heckman: your server is always going to tell you that you won
14:10-!-mode/#linode [+R] by heckman
14:10<@heckman>^ anyone else see that?
14:11<@Perihelion>The IRCd will let you set modes that are already set ;P
14:11<@heckman>That seems semi illogical
14:11<Eman>some ircds will, some wont
14:11<@Perihelion>Eh, why bother checking if you want it anyway
14:11<Obsidian|server>try double-opping yourself :D
14:11<Obsidian|server>the @@@monster emerges!
14:11<@heckman>Perihelion: I would imagine it would take less to check + ignore than tell everyone it was done even tho it's already done.
14:13<Obsidian|server>it'd be more efficient, but the way it is requires less code I'd imagine
14:13<Obsidian|server>so it's more programmer efficient than programmatically efficient
14:13<@Perihelion>Well, it's just not really "needed"
14:13<AlexC_>mwalling: ok, from the messages I kinda assumed one of nodes was kicking everyone off to be taken offline due to being infected :P
14:13<mwalling>AlexC_: no. a spammer used a botnet.
14:14<@heckman>It looks like none of the text got through here
14:14<mshuler>there were a bunch of spammer kicks going on in debian-* channels, too
14:14<mwalling>mshuler: we're still cleaning
14:14<mwalling>heckman: bopm is fast, but not fast enough
14:14<@heckman>mwalling: that I do know, lol
14:14<Obsidian|server>mwalling: do us all a favor and castrate the spammer if you ever find them
14:14<mwalling>Obsidian|server: gladly
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14:15<mwalling>jed: u spammer?
14:15<@jed> _
14:15<@jed> _ __ ___ __ _ _ _| |__ ___
14:15<@jed>| '_ ` _ \ / _` | | | | '_ \ / _ \
14:15<@jed>| | | | | | (_| | |_| | |_) | __/
14:15<@jed>|_| |_| |_|\__,_|\__, |_.__/ \___|
14:15<@jed> |___/
14:16<Obsidian|server>....I laughed.
14:16<mwalling>you can probably -R now
14:16-!-mode/#linode [-R] by heckman
14:16<sub> __________
14:16<sub>< stop jed >
14:16<sub> ----------
14:16<sub> \ ^__^
14:16<sub> \ (oo)\_______
14:17<sub> (__)\ )\/\
14:17<sub>| ||
14:17<sub>(had to)
14:17<@jed>god mode is figlet inside the cowsay bubble
14:17<Obsidian|server>FFFFF I was THIS close to combo-breakering the cowsay
14:17<mwalling>C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!
14:17<@jed>echo moo | figlet | cowsay -n
14:17<@Perihelion>jed: It can be done
14:17<@jed>^ doit
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14:18<Obsidian|server>okay maybe not
14:18<avenj>heckman: fwiw there is actually a code snippet in hybrid7 channel_mode.c that will do mode checks iirc
14:19<avenj>heckman: w/ a note saying efnet admins whined about it
14:19<@Perihelion>efnet >:3
14:19<@heckman>for it, or against it?
14:19<@jed>lol efnet
14:19<avenj>heckman: against, it's commented out
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14:19<@Perihelion>IRC is such a pee pee measuring contest
14:19<@Perihelion>It's unreal
14:19<@jed>as in, dupe mode checks? /mode #linode +snork will check for s n o r k and drop them if unnecessary?
14:19*Obsidian|server smacks Perihelion for the pun
14:20<@Perihelion>That wasn't even meant to be a joke :P
14:20<Obsidian|server>I don't care
14:20<Obsidian|server>it was that terrible
14:20<sub>i elieve the correct terminology is "+p +p contest"
14:20<@Perihelion>Dianora :D
14:20<avenj><3 dianora
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14:22<@jed>what is the possible benefit of not doing the check?
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14:22<@jed>that makes 0 sense
14:22<Keith>Jed: I sent you an email a while back today about an issue that happened on the Linode library site when I tried to comment on an article. My email is a GMail address, so you might need to check. I'm curious if you got it? I sent it to as the error message instructed me to.
14:22<avenj>easy mode resync when someone links a busted server? I dunno
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14:22<avenj>only benefit I can see offhand
14:22<@jed>Keith: that's not what it instructed you to do, I'm merely the ServerAdmin on the apache instance so my e-mail was on there
14:23-!-cereal|Away is now known as cereal
14:23<Keith>Uh yeah.
14:23<Keith>THink I sent it to that one, not sure.
14:23*Keith checks.
14:23<@jed>yes, I got it
14:23<mwalling>so, like i was saying...
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14:23<Keith>Okay cool
14:24<mwalling>Keith: i just like that the rackspace employee told you that linode came after slicehost
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14:24<Keith>Mwalling: Yeah I like that to.
14:24<mwalling>you should remind him that 2003 came 3 years before 2006
14:25<mwalling>oh, he owned up
14:25<@Perihelion>"EDIT: I was completely wrong on who came first - sounds like Linode was founded first. My apologies (I leave the text there so all may know my shame). The rest stands though - I think similarities are largely due to them being in the same space."
14:25<@Perihelion>Yeah haha
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14:26<Keith>Perihelion: Wait until you get to page two.
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14:26<AviMarcus>whatcha folks reading?
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14:27<Keith>Perihelion: Might be scared for nothing; but I think I and others have a right to be. Wish Chriss himself would step in and maybe post something on the blog-just emailed the entire team as well. I'd like to know for sure that Caker will not permit Rackspace or anyone else to buy out Linode, actually.
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14:27<mwalling>AviMarcus: server notices
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14:28<AviMarcus>mwalling, where ?
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14:28<mwalling>AviMarcus: the top of my irssi window
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14:29<mustmodify>I am maintaining a box for a client. It was set up by someone else. Just noticed something in MySQL and I'm wondering where this falls on the zero to panic scale.
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14:30<mwalling>mustmodify: what, the li##-##?
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14:31<AviMarcus>that's linode's default machine name, isn't it?
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14:32<@heckman>default RDNS based on the IP.
14:32<@heckman>Good stuffs
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14:32<mustmodify>mwalling: I'm not sure.
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14:34<mustmodify>so, panic?
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14:35<@heckman>mustmodify: where are you seeing that at?
14:35<@jed>Keith: you failed the captcha, and there was a bug in that path. fixed
14:35<mustmodify>I was thinking about removing 5, 6, 7 and 8. There is no reason for anything not on this box to be accessing mysql.
14:35<mustmodify>since it's all self-contained.
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14:36<mustmodify> mysql -u root -p
14:36<mustmodify>mysql> select Host, User FROM mysql.user;
14:37<@heckman>mustmodify: what's the IP of your Linode?
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14:38<@heckman>That's your own Linode's IP
14:38<mustmodify>I can't access mysql from home so I assume it's firewalled at some level.
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14:38<mustmodify>heckman: isn't that what you asked for?
14:39<@heckman>li126-169 = your Linode's IP
14:39<@heckman>Do an A record lookup for
14:39<brandon>Hi all, I'm setting up my first linode and noticed that the setup recommends a 32 bit distro. Any reason why?
14:40<@heckman>Uses less RAM
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14:40<@heckman>brandon: not a problem.
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14:41<@heckman>Blah, was going to mention needing moar than 4GB of RAM
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14:41<mustmodify>OMG! I doesn't have nslookup!
14:41<mustmodify>What's the newer util for that?
14:41<Nivex>host or dig
14:41<@heckman>apt-get install dnsutil
14:42<@heckman>use the "dig" command
14:42<randallman>dig > *
14:42<@heckman>apt-get install dnsutils
14:42<phaedral>Too many choices. :) Now dithering between Ubuntu 10.04LTS or 11.04
14:42<randallman>dig @${nameserver} ${record} ${recordtype}
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14:42<randallman>+short if you dont like the details :)
14:43<mustmodify>yeah, it doesn't have apt-get.
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14:43<mustmodify>It's some crazy distro
14:43<Nivex>I tend to prefer LTS on my servers
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14:43*randallman agrees with Nivex...
14:43<@heckman>mustmodify: what distro do you have?
14:43<mustmodify>heckman: ah, right, gentoo
14:43<@heckman>emerge dnsutils (I think)
14:43<randallman>Actually, I prefer RHEL on my servers :) But that's a tangent we need not traverse here in #linode :0
14:43<mustmodify>randallman: ah, right, dig. Thanks.
14:44<@heckman>I prefer RHEL in a trash can... :X
14:44<randallman>I prefer urmom in a trash can! :)
14:44<@heckman>Wow, ME TOO!
14:44<randallman>hey, something on which we can agree :)
14:44<phaedral>Fine line between soliciting informed opinions and launching a holy war. 8*{
14:44<nicinabox>+1 RHEL in the can
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14:45<randallman>Though I'd like to understand the root cause of people angry @ redhat :)
14:45<@heckman>Welcome to #linode where every day is Debian appreciation day.
14:45<randallman>is it just because it has old packages?
14:45<@heckman>randallman: the location of the networking configuration and how it's implemented.
14:45<randallman>or is it something more.... sinister? :P
14:45<nicinabox>randallman: is that not a HUGE faux pas?
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14:46<randallman>heckman: remember the location of the networking configuration was that way back in RedHat 4 :)
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14:46<randallman>heckman: It's been that way since long before debian used /etc/network/interfaces :)
14:46<randallman>nicinabox: No, actually, it's not... They backport relevant security fixes
14:46<@heckman>But debian's looks sane. :D
14:46<randallman>heckman: actually I dont understand the problem with /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-${if}
14:46<@heckman>All distros (that are still maintained) backport.
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14:47<@heckman>And with Debian, they create bugs
14:47<@heckman>Ahem OpenSSL...
14:47<randallman>Yes, ahem openssl :0
14:47<randallman>that was quite the bug :0
14:47<randallman>what was it? One of 1024 keys were generated ? :P
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14:47<@heckman>But I mean, at least their mistake was a packge and not a whole distribution...
14:47<randallman>still, people in glass houses shouldnt.... :)
14:47<randallman>we're all humans...
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14:48<straterra>heckman: how wasn't it a whole distro?
14:48<randallman>RedHat Enterprise Linux runs quite well, has a lot of features... but it just doesnt have the NEWEST of everything
14:48<straterra>It applied to every library that linked against openssl..which is quite a few
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14:48<mustmodify>so it's under bind-tools in emerge... because that makes sense.
14:48<@heckman>I was calling RHEL a mistake.
14:48<phaedral>Well, shucks, looks like I hid my own status from myself when I hid joins and such
14:48<randallman>And I would suggest their market share is an indication of your opinion's incorrectness :)
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14:49<randallman>(market share in the corporate world, that is)
14:49<mustmodify>also, if this helps in terms of context, the box was already running production websites when I got access, but didn't have sudo installed.
14:50<straterra>RHEL isn't a mistake :x
14:51<@heckman>nicinabox: way to steal my line.
14:51<@heckman>Couldn't even quote me on that? :(
14:51<mustmodify>heckman: nslookup
14:51<nicinabox>heckman: I was going to but i couldn't find your twitter!
14:51<@heckman>mustmodify: Does it return your Linode's IP address?
14:52<nicinabox>heckman: I'm all for attribution :)
14:52<randallman>Wall Street expects Red Hat to report fiscal 2011 earnings of 76 cents a share on revenue of $842.3 million.
14:52<mustmodify>heckman: yes
14:52<randallman>(this was on march 24, 2010)
14:52<randallman>What's canonical's revenue I wonder?
14:53<@heckman>So those connections originated from your Linode.
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14:53<@heckman>randallman: after "Unity" should be none
14:53<Obsidian|server>no kidding >_>
14:53<randallman>the pretentiousness that rolls off of mark's tongue... well anyway :)
14:54<@heckman>My netbook/desktop is going to be on 10.10 until EOL.
14:54<randallman>Im 10.04 on my home machines...
14:54<randallman>mythbuntu on the set tops
14:54<randallman>ubuntu + myth on the backend
14:54<randallman>I've considered the pv-grub RHEL on my linode :)
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14:55<randallman>being a RHCE, I have a few rhel keys to spare
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14:56<Keith>Wow. I haven't seen so much spam activity. Sadly I can ignore everyone or nothing with my blind-friendly client.
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14:57<Keith>I can ignore nicknames too; though changing them is all that's necessary to circumvent. Wonder why #Linode is being spammed today? I usually don't see that least I don't think so.
14:57<@heckman>Keith: it's all the major channels on this network. It happens from time to time.
14:57<Keith>Heckman: Okay was just wnodering if it was an abnormal spike or something. First time noticing. :)
14:58<randallman>are you referring to the join/quit/kill spam?
14:58<Keith>Randalman: I was indeed.
14:58<randallman>That's unfortunate that you cannot squelch that type of notificaton
14:58<randallman>notificatIon :)
14:58<Keith>Randalman: You'd appreicate what I have to hear: "Nickname has joined #Linode. Nickname has quit IRC" and so on. I can shut up my speech syntem but..anyhow..
14:59<Keith>I can ignore a user via nick;but change it, and that's not going to work. I can apply a global ignore I only do that though when I'm going AFK though.
15:00<Keith>Otherwise I might actually miss private messages needed for me and such without viewing the over 1MB plus log. Anyhow that's off topic, so I'll shut up on that one. ;)
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15:00*Obsidian|server tosses Ubuntu Unity into the Aperture Science Emergency Intelligence Incinerator
15:00<@heckman>I heard you can change your session to "Ubuntu Classic" as Gnome is still installed.
15:01<@heckman>Maybe I was misinformed. But I don't care to find out
15:01<pharaun>Keith: you can't actually ignore the join/part messages? i know irssi can
15:01*Keith shuvs Unity up a Linode's ...something. Oh nevermind.
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15:01<randallman>Obsidian|server: I'd be ok with the material emancipation grid...
15:01<rnowak>heckman: you can change it at the login screen
15:01<randallman>Obsidian|server: which, I suppose, is akin to what Heckman just suggested :)
15:01<Keith>Afraid my client doesn't support that no. It's rather basic.
15:01<Obsidian|server>randallman: but I like fire better! D:
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15:02<Keith>And accessibility to mIRC 7 for Wnidows is..well..most projects are not being developed for that, or I'd use that otherwise. But anyhow.
15:02<Keith>And by projects I mean accessibility for the blind projects.
15:02<pharaun>Keith: oh wow that's.... rather bad :|
15:02<Obsidian|server>looks like that was a one second stan there.
15:02<Obsidian|server>BA-DUM PISH
15:02<Keith>Special mIRC scripts that change the client and such for us. But nothing's happened in that area, only accessible client version that still works is mIRC6.35.
15:02<straterra>Keith: Qba'g lbh ungr jura fperraernqref qba'g fcrnx cebcreyl?
15:03<Obsidian|server>I know I know I'm terrible
15:03<randallman>straterra: ? :P
15:03<Obsidian|server>straterra: now you're just being a jerk
15:03<Keith>I'm afraid of using old versions of clients, even if the releases have not had outstanding bug reports. I know iRC servers cna block clients based on versions for security, so that's that.
15:04<nicinabox>who wants to play this with me!?
15:04<straterra>Obsidian|server: What do you mean?
15:04<d-b>Keith: git blamee u
15:04<Keith>Purposely typoing like me, I tthink. :| If you personally have an issue with me directly, be driect to me personally; don't put it in public channel. Thanks, Mr. Jirk.
15:05<Keith>That's what he was about to tle you I think.
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15:06<Keith>We all typo. We're human.
15:06<Keith>Not automated computers.
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15:06<straterra>I didn't typo o.O
15:07<Keith>Yes you did.
15:07<@heckman>I'm actually a pseudoviking.
15:07<@heckman>I am one step above a human.
15:07<straterra>Keith: I didn't..I swear
15:07<rnowak>We might be human, or we might be dancers
15:07<linbot>Gur bar jubfr yvggyr cngu jbhyq znxr zr fnq, jubfr cbjre vf Fngna.
15:07<Keith>Then what was that uh...sdfjksdfjksdjfksdjfksjfksfjksdjfsd stuff then? That's what it sounded like when my speech system read that.
15:07<Keith>It m ade no sence at all.
15:08<Nivex>somebody commanded Linbot to read in ROT13
15:08<phaedral>It's rot 13, I think. Not really funny in this context.
15:08<@heckman>!supa1337 [finnix]
15:08<linbot>F;|\||\|;>< -- |-|++p://1;|>|2/-\|2y.1;|\|o<|3.<o/\/\/+|2o|_||>13$|-|oo+;|\|g/f;|\||\|;><-|23<o\/3|2y.|-|+/\/\1
15:08<randallman>oh man
15:08<Keith>Didn't know that #Linode was the place for trying to do that. PM me if you really want to do that in future, it is hard for me to read thorugh a million IRc messages.
15:08*Nivex thumps heckman
15:09<Keith>Each time you folks type, if I do not have the client on Global ignore (that blocks all IRC trafic to me other htan the log if logging is on) I get shuved to the bottum of the read-only history box when new messages or anything else arives.
15:09<Keith>Joines quits, private messages, etc.
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15:10<phaedral>So, for us noobish types, "Disable Unused Services"..."Any service that you're not using should be turned off", I get how to see what's running via htop, but I don't know which ones to keep or kill :(
15:11<Keith>For example, that just knocked me smack down to the bottum of the window. So I wouldn't have a chacne to select a URL or whatever if necessary without going on complete idle mode.
15:11<phaedral>Keith: do smileys come across as nonsense too?
15:11<Keith>When that last person joined.
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15:18<AviMarcus>phaedral, if you install apache or mysql you'll want to keep those..
15:18<phaedral>AviMarcus: thx
15:18<AviMarcus>lol one sec
15:18<phaedral>I'm working through the security docs inthe library
15:19<AviMarcus>(springpad not loading)
15:19<phaedral>if disabling password auth, I not only need to generate a key locally, I need to create a user on the host, right?
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15:20<AviMarcus>you can use the user there
15:20<AviMarcus>I'm ssh'ing into root. perhaps not the best idea..
15:20<AviMarcus>try: netstat -ntulp
15:20<phaedral>AviMarcus: shame on you, setting such a bad example for the noobs ;)
15:20<AviMarcus>I don't recall if you need to install that first
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15:20<@heckman>AviMarcus: I SSH as root. But the root account has only SSH key auth.
15:21<AviMarcus>Well, the linode distro comes that way. The normal one doesn't afaik..
15:21<@heckman>AviMarcus: So if someone can obtain my SSH key, and crack the passphrase, they deserve root
15:21<AviMarcus>heckman, I turned off password ssh. So.. same thing?
15:21<@heckman>PermitRootLogin without-password
15:21<@heckman>So password auth is disabled
15:21<phaedral>the howto says my freshly generated needs to be put in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on remote, it's that ~/ confusing me.
15:21<AviMarcus>I turned off password-ed ssh
15:22<AviMarcus>that's the user's home folder
15:22<AviMarcus>the command line knows what that means
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15:22<phaedral>right...but as of this step of the game I have no user, jsut root
15:22<AviMarcus>so you can use root
15:22<AviMarcus>or create a user.
15:23<AviMarcus>AviMarcus:> try: netstat -ntulp --> shows you what's listening on your ports
15:23<AviMarcus>if it's it's just local and no issue
15:23<AviMarcus> means all IPs, including external stuff
15:23<@heckman>I like netstat -apln
15:23<phaedral>great; will create a user, as "best practices" argues "no root ssh" and I guess that means even with keys
15:23<AviMarcus>want to make sure you intend that
15:24*AviMarcus runs heckman's command
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15:25<AviMarcus>hmph freeswitch is listening on both ips
15:25<AviMarcus>oh I have it running.
15:26<AviMarcus>iftop is cool for bandwidth stuff, too.
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15:28<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) <> || Monitor System Logs with Logwatch on Fedora 14 <> || Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <> || Manage Development with the Mantis Bug Tracker on
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15:34<phaedral>I'm spoiled by having ubuntu set up sudo for me automatically :(
15:34<phaedral>live and learn
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15:44<phaedral>just had to usermod -g sudo niftynewuseracct
15:45<phaedral>Is it still considered polite to report back when I figure out my own answers?
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15:48<pharaun>there may be people in here waiting with bated breath to know the solution too :)
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15:51<phaedral>pharaun: that's the way I was taught
15:53<phaedral>looks like denyhost isn't as simple to deply as fail2ban
15:53<AviMarcus>does denyhost do UDP?
15:53<JshWright>I find it much easier
15:53<AviMarcus>fail2ban with something like UFW is pretty cool
15:53<AviMarcus>ufw deny all && ufw allow 80
15:53<AviMarcus>well, and ufw allow ssh
15:54<phaedral>I confess, I was offput by a 2005 "Hire me" on the home page; doesn't instill confidence in the robustness of the app
15:54<AviMarcus>hmm, I probably got that wrong. But it's kind of like that.
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16:23<flowbee__>is there a way to find out why my linode isnt responding if i cant ssh in?
16:24<@HAL9001>Have you looked at the console?
16:24<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
16:24<flowbee__>looks like cpu is approaching 100%
16:26<flowbee__>Free swap = 0kB
16:26<flowbee__>that doesnt look good (via ajax and lish
16:26<flowbee__>im not getting a command line prompt
16:27<flowbee__>but i cant run those commands right now
16:27<mwalling>if youre swapthrashing, you're going to have to reboot
16:27<mwalling>you're already dead
16:27<mwalling>whats the difference?
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16:32<flowbee__>i just want to find out why
16:32<flowbee__>its like examining the patient prior to dying
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16:33<flowbee__>i think i'm going to need to move my backend processing to another box
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16:53<Dioxin>*ping* any sales peeps from Linode around?
16:53<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
16:54<JshWright>Dioxin: this is a community chat, any Linode staff members are opped
16:54<JshWright>feel free to ask any questions you might have, and odds are someone will be able to annwer them
16:54<@jed>sometimes your questions can be answered by our fearless customers, too, so fire away
16:55<Dioxin>I would like to obtain a Linode, should I wait to get a referral code from a friend that uses the service or are there no benefits to either of us (or can it be applied retrospectively)
16:55<JshWright>if your friend refferred you to Linode, then you should use their code
16:56<JshWright>if you stick around for 90 days, they get a $20 credit on their account
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16:56<Dioxin>They mentioned you, but didnt provide a referral code (still a referral of sorts ;) )
16:56<JshWright>if they don't have their code handy and you're itching to get started, sign up foo an account and you can later file a support ticket with their code in it
16:57<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: )
16:57<Dioxin>I thought "sign up foo" was a Mr T directive!
16:57<mwalling>yeah, theres the docs at the end
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16:59<Dioxin>when accessing the Linode, I presume access would be much like accessing a server locally via ssh?
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17:00<nicinabox>Dioxin: yes
17:00<swaj>Dioxin: you get a linux-powered virtual private server. It would be basically identical if you had installed Linux yourself on a local computer.
17:01<swaj>except, it will (by default) run a specialized Linode-supplied kernel... though you can change that :)
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17:01<JshWright>it's not that specialized...
17:01<Dioxin>Regards the Linbot referral code, what exactly does free activation refer to?
17:01<linbot>That is caker's code
17:01<mwalling>(caker == founder, dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 == joke
17:01<swaj>all linode's have free activation :)
17:02<mwalling>activation has been free for > 5 years
17:02<vraa>that's such bullshti for the last half an hour i've been looking for my first linode invoice to see if i could get my acivation fee refunded
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17:03<Dioxin>glad to see peeps in this business have a sense of humour, met a rather stuffy competitor today, he didnt like it when I declined his quote because it was 2-3 times higher than everyone else ;)
17:03<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted> (#5) jkwood is utterly insane
17:03<linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
17:03<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
17:04*mwalling considers ammending !community to say "(psst mwalling: you mean !ops)"
17:04<Dioxin>cant you have it send you a pvt instead ;)
17:04<vraa>!rules mwalling
17:04<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted> (#5) jkwood is utterly insane
17:05<vraa>!rules vraa
17:05<linbot>(#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole (#5) HoopyCat is the resident <redacted> (#5) jkwood is utterly insane
17:05<vraa>no it didn't send it in a pm
17:05<Zr40>there's a double #5 there
17:05<swaj>!info rules
17:05<mwalling>Dioxin: dumb bot. they arent really factoids
17:05<mwalling>Zr40: that is intentional
17:05<jmartinez>Just pointed my domain to my linode and am having trouble. On my iphone the domain pulls up my linode, but on my mac the domain pulls up my subdomain/!
17:05<@jed>jmartinez: macs cache DNS for a while
17:06<@jed>open a terminal and run: dscacheutil -flushcache
17:06<swaj>jmartinez: on your mac, try: dscacheutil -flushcache
17:06<swaj>doh jed :P
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17:07<vraa>i also like this site -
17:07<Dioxin>mwalling just curiously who controls the dumb bot? or is it a power unto itself?
17:07<nicinabox>OpenDNS has a good one too
17:09<swaj>vraa: I prefer dig: dig aaaa
17:10<linbot>JshWright: This was a triumph. Im making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
17:10<dcraig>no discussion of handy DNS sites is complete without mentioning ! :p
17:10<swaj>vraa: or you can shorten it... dig @ aaaa
17:10<vraa>but that dosn't check multipel servers
17:10<jmartinez>Everything looks correct
17:11<jmartinez>However, I am in Alaska and the DNS results are from the lower 48 and abroad
17:11<JshWright>My favorite set of DNS related tools:
17:11<jmartinez>I wonder if my iPhone is using a lower 48 DNS
17:12<vraa>lol JshWright - A failure occurred while querying server. Please try again later.
17:12<mwalling>jmartinez: lets talk real facts: what the domain, what *should* it point to, what does your mac say when you "ping" the domain, and what does your mac say when you do "host <domain>"
17:13<mwalling>(theres probably a better way to see the system resolver's result then using ping, but ping is easy and works)
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17:15<jmartinez>, should point to On my mac it points to host command)
17:16<Zr40>points to on my mac
17:16<@jed>host command bypasses cache and talks to resolvers - that means whatever your mac is talking to for DNS has it cached
17:16<jmartinez>so it could be an ISP cache or somthing?
17:16<mwalling>that is how dns works
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17:16<@jed>what does "DNS Server" say on the Network pane in System Preferences
17:16<mwalling>wait $TTL and you should be good ($TTL is usually 24 hours)
17:17<linbot>mwalling: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
17:17<mwalling>SelfishMan: !!! ^^
17:18<@jed>that's an ISP resolver
17:18<SelfishMan>It happens
17:18<SelfishMan>wait, wut?
17:18<@jed>jmartinez: try changing it to
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17:18<mwalling>jed: we have googledns and you still use the damn verizon open resolver?
17:19<jmartinez>there it is
17:19<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS32328; ASN owner: Alascom, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Alascom, Inc; City: Anchorage; State: Alaska; Country: United States; Domains: 1;
17:19<@jed>mwalling: yeah, because google DNS negative caches for at least twice as long as the zone's TTL
17:19<mwalling>stupid google
17:19<@jed>I have observed this, yes
17:20<@jed>the 4/8 ones are up through, too
17:20<@jed>options rotate and parallel lookups ftw
17:20<mwalling>google's 4/8 or verizon's?
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17:20<Zr40>google's on and
17:20<pharaun>i use a bunch of the 4.2.2.* ones
17:20<mosimo>4.2.2.x are verizon
17:20<mwalling>oh i thought it was GTE -> MCI -> Verizon
17:21<@jed>I think they're l3 now
17:21<mwalling>whois says they are
17:21<pharaun>I have local network dns cache anyway so i use the 4.2.2. ones now, it works good :)
17:21*jed shrugs
17:21<linbot>mwalling: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
17:21<mwalling>SelfishMan: !! ^^
17:21<mosimo> ->
17:21<SelfishMan>ha ha ha
17:21<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS3356; ASN owner: Level 3 Communications, LLC; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Level 3 Communications, Inc.; Country: United States; Domains: 31;
17:21<linbot>mwalling: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS3356; ASN owner: Level 3 Communications, LLC; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Level 3 Communications, Inc.; Country: United States; Domains: 31;
17:21<mwalling>hey look you aren't filtering
17:22<swaj>I used OpenDNS until they started responding to non-existant zones and giving me advertisements... and no I shouldn't have to tell them my IP and opt-out.
17:22<SelfishMan>mwalling: are you doing OK today
17:22<mwalling>swaj: gotta make money some how
17:22<mwalling>swaj: timewarner does the same thing, and they "forget" that you opted out
17:22<swaj>AT&T luckily does not (my current ISP)
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17:22<hawk>jed: You mean the "MINIMUM" field in SOA?
17:22<hawk>jed: That's what's supposed to be used for negative caching, afaik
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17:25<hawk>jed: Or what did you mean by "the zone's ttl"? There is no such thing, TTL is defined per record, and as I said, negative caching is based on a field on SOA rather than an regular TTL value
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17:26<swaj>I used the google DNS servers for a while, but they used to have some bad performance problems. I tried them on my Mac at home and I would sit there for 10 seconds sometimes waiting on a DNS response.
17:26<swaj>switch back to my ISP's and it's fast
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17:27<linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS3356; ASN owner: Level 3 Communications, LLC; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Level 3 Communications, Inc.; City: Mountain View; State: California; Postal code: 94043; Country: United States; Domains: 229;
17:28<mwalling>hawk: that is what jed means.
17:28<hawk>mwalling: Well, they're collecting and selling your lookup history too, so it's not like the ads is the only source of revenue
17:29<mwalling>seriously people, a lot more sketchy companies then google probably know your internet behaviors too.
17:29<hawk>I was repsonding to the thing about opendns
17:30<hawk>Which imo seems to be a sketchier company
17:30<mwalling>when there are multiple companies involved, using ambiguous pronouns is annoying.
17:33<SamT|Laptop>"we" promise not to use "your" data for things that "may" be considered "malicious"
17:33<hawk>mwalling: Sorry, I didn't mean to be ambiguous, I probably just wasn't paying enough attention to that part of the discussion...
17:33<nicinabox>SamT|Laptop: lulz
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17:34<@jed>hawk: didn't cross your mind that that's what I meant?
17:35<hawk>jed: It did cross my mind that one of the possibilities was that it was what you meant. Another would be some form of misunderstanding of what the negative caching is actually based on.
17:35<@jed>had to dwell on whether or not to call me out for a couple and a half minutes?
17:36<hawk>jed: Sorry for not sitting glued to my irc client at all times
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17:38<@jed>it's just such a pointless correction
17:38<SelfishMan>jed: be nice to your customers
17:40<hawk>jed: It wasn't pointless to me, I was genuinely interested whether your saying that the Google caching servers behave strangely was based on accurate information or not. (I don't know you, I have no idea how dns savvy you are)
17:41<@jed>I will strive to be more exact in my communication in the future. I apologize for the inconvenience.
17:42<hawk>jed: If you were offended by my perhaps overly direct questioning of what I found rather vague, then I'm sorry for that but I don't find the distinction pointless, in computational matters those details make all the difference.
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17:43<@HAL9001>Dammit, I was typing "Hug it out"
17:44<hawk>Too late for that, I guess jed hates me now
17:45<@HAL9001>You've joined the ranks of a long list of people <3
17:45<@array>hawk: if you're still up to it, i'm always up for a hug.
17:45*array grouphug
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17:45<bob2>man you start early
17:45<@HAL9001>DANNY <3
17:46<hawk>array: :)
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17:46<@array><3 :)
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17:52<praetorian>dan dan the milkers man
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18:04<marshallmoore>Hey any Drupal users here?
18:05<Corren>is there a way in linode to have a new VM have the correct ips already configured in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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18:07<Corren>looking at teh stackscripts, is there a reason there isn't a plain vanilla nginx script?
18:07<dominikh>nobody wrote one?
18:07<Corren>doesn't that seem odd ?
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18:12<mwalling>Corren: linode is designed to have DHCP send you your static ip
18:12<mwalling>Corren: makes it turnkey
18:12<Corren>sure, but if I add a private ip, I have to configure that into the interfaces
18:12<Corren>makes it a bit more complicated
18:12<mwalling>meh, i have it automated
18:12<Corren>can you share?
18:13<mwalling>not right now
18:13<mwalling>its puppet magic
18:13<Corren>don't you have to pay for puppet?
18:13<Corren>I thought you did
18:15<nicinabox>do debian stackscripts work well on ubuntu?
18:15<bob2>Corren: what would a 'plain vanilla nginx script' do?
18:15<nicinabox>err, the ones that specify debian 6
18:15<dominikh>"doesn't that seem odd ?" ← guessing that you won't be adding an nginx stackscript either: nope, not weird at all
18:15<bob2>sudo apt-get install nginx
18:16<Corren>might have options for what modules/config options, ssh permissions, iptables
18:16<Corren>but only installing nginx
18:16*mwalling thinks stackscripts are overrated, except for bootstrapping puppet or chef
18:17<bob2>but they are a good 70% solution for people who don't want to learn puppet and chef
18:17<Corren>i've been frustrated with chef, the docs aren't great
18:17*nicinabox wonders what puppet and chef are
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18:17<mwalling>nicinabox: love in a ruby app
18:18<bob2>nicinabox: configuration management/automated deployment tools
18:18<bob2>they're not that great :(
18:18<nicinabox>like capistrano?
18:18<Corren>I'm fine learning, but I need documentation & terminology examples that are up to date and easy to understand
18:18<Corren>chef takes you out back, and beats you over the head
18:19<bob2>anyway, a stackscript for just nginx seems silly
18:19<bob2>sounds like you want "configure all this custom stuff and then install nginx"
18:20<nicinabox>debian stackscripts should work on ubuntu, right?
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18:20<bob2>depends what they do
18:20<bob2>so the general answer is 'no'
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18:26<linbot>New news from forums: per-hour billing? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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18:39<Corren>i totally agree
18:40<Corren>with thatlinbot article
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18:43<vraa>stackscripts are genius, i spent a few hours reading through them, learned a lot of stuff regarding tuning and what not
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18:45<Nivex>HoopyCat: I just saw your tweet about IPv6 multiple tables. I gather you are using pvgrub?
18:54<Karrde>so when I hit the "Remove" button on my RAM on the Extras tab, does it immediatly reboot the Linode?
18:54<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Monitoring Servers with Munin on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <> || Monitor System Logs with Logwatch on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) <> || Manage a Fedora 14 VPS with ISPConfig <> || Use Public Key Authentication with
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18:56<purrdeta>has anyone set up DKIM signing with amavisd-new and postfix?
18:56<HoopyCat>Nivex: i am using pvgrub
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18:57<HoopyCat>Karrde: probably; that tends to happen with most other similar decapabilizations
18:57*purrdeta becomes enraged
18:57*Karrde casts Calm Monster on purrdeta
18:57*Karrde hits the Remove button
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18:59<HoopyCat>survey says
18:59<purrdeta>so I managed to get it to sign but it will only sign emails from SMTP, not from stuff like sendmail which mutt uses
19:00<purrdeta>I wonder if it just won't work that way...
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19:01<HoopyCat>Nivex: call your representative and tell them you want them to vote YES on CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES
19:01<HoopyCat>Nivex: vote yes on equality. vote yes on CONFIG_IPV6_MULTIPLE_TABLES.
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19:02<HoopyCat>Karrde: i told ya, don't taunt the REMOVE button
19:02<Karrde>interesting, it shuts down the node but doesn't reboot it
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19:06<Karrde>aw, I forgot to record how long the system had been up
19:18<Nivex>HoopyCat: any idea why it's still flagged experimental upstream?
19:20<straterra>Because linux developers are idiots
19:20<straterra>More or less
19:22<bob2>purrdeta: what's amavis for in that?
19:22<bob2>purrdeta: ps mutt can use smtp
19:22<purrdeta>yeah but I don't particularly want it to use smtp
19:22<purrdeta>amavisd-new can sign mails
19:26<purrdeta>alright! I've got it to sign based on both methods...
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19:37<bob2>oh ok
19:37<bob2>add it to the other option too
19:39<linbot>New news from forums: Django Unicode Error in FileUpload in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
19:40<purrdeta>I feel so accomplished after a while of freaking out :P
19:40<JDLSpeedy>do we have a date for Dallas, TX IPv6?
19:40<bob2>given it is not on the page, no
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19:42<Cypher100>Did anyone's linode roll back like 10 mins?
19:43<Cypher100>I made a few changes and removed a few folders and 10 mins later, everything was back how it was like I didn't even make any changes
19:43<Cypher100>I had a service running and I remember shutting it down and it claims it was never shutdown in the firstplace
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19:44<Cypher100>I'm scared
19:44<maushu>Cypher100, you travelled in time.
19:44<maushu>Here, have a towel.
19:45<Cypher100>I don't feel like doing all the same stuff again anyway, so I guess I'll do it again later
19:45<Cypher100>dang servers traveling in time
19:45<jeremyb>any way to get more details? '''We're sorry, but the transaction failed. Please make sure your credit card information is correct and resubmit the form, or contact your credit card company for the reason your transaction failed. If you continue to have problems, please email service@'''
19:51<bob2>jeremyb: file a ticket
19:52<bob2>proviing your identity on irc will be entertaining at best
19:52-!-BarkariII [BarkerJr@2002:1802:e75d:1:45ff:b1d2:513:cc63] has joined #linode
19:52<jeremyb>bob2: well i have an existing ticket
19:53<jeremyb>and a cloak which is linked to my identity
19:53<jeremyb>(have a personal account, getting an account for a company)
19:54<jeremyb>i was just wondering if i could find out what the CC gateway was kicking back
19:55<bob2>yeah, so i'd ask in a ticket
19:55<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Deploy a Structured Wiki with TWiki on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <> || Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) <> || Deploy a Structured Wiki with TWiki on CentOS 5 <> || Manage Email Lists with GNU Mailman
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19:57<Cypher100>My linode can travel in time, the date was off by 10 mins
19:57<Cypher100>what the hell happen to my linode lol
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20:03<Cypher100>I bought a VPS for $4 a month
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20:03<zerial>hi. I need help. 1 hour ago I'm trying to access to my dashboard, but the security email (Log in from unverified IP address) has not arrived :-(
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20:05<orudie>hi is anything going on in atlanta ?
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20:06<bob2>no one has said anything yet
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20:07<caseol>Need help... I'm tryng to access my MySql server making a tunnel but its not working
20:09<zerial>tasaro, caker ping
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20:09<bob2>too vague
20:09<vraa>Cypher100, did you run any benchmarks on the vps yet?
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20:11<HoopyCat>Nivex: no idea... probably because noone has bothered to propose it be de-flagged
20:12<bob2>please send a patch to lkml
20:12<zerial>purrdeta: I hope. thanks :-)
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20:14<HoopyCat>Cypher100: pastebin the output of "ntpq -pc rl" ? generally, it shouldn't let it get 10 milliseconds off, much less ten minutes...
20:16<@HAL9001>zerial: See what I said on freenode
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20:17<Nivex>HoopyCat: hmm, and how does one do that? :)
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20:19<HoopyCat>Nivex: probably by seeing when it was last touched (to verify stability) then by submitting a patch if you're satisfied it ought to be not experimental... the configuration process is code too :-)
20:19<purrdeta>hmm amavis does use a bit more RAM than I expected but I think it is worth it.
20:20<bob2>yeah :/
20:20<bob2>you can avoid it, though
20:20<bob2>I run spamass-milter and dkim-milter directly
20:20<purrdeta>I guess. that seems like a lot more work to me
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20:21<bob2>like an extra line in the postfix config?
20:21<purrdeta>eh I guess
20:21<purrdeta>perhaps if this uses too much RAM or breaks stuff I'll consider switching... :P
20:22<jforman>orudie: are you getting connection drops to your node in atlanta? (i am seeing that too)
20:22<jforman>openvpn connection keeps dropping/resetting
20:22<bob2>that's why I killed it
20:22<bob2>but that was on like a linode 128
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20:23<purrdeta>haha yeah. it's using about 180 or so MB
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20:23<bob2>maybe I have more than one SA child now too
20:23<bck>jforman: we're getting connection issues to multiple atlanta linodes, have a ticket open
20:24<jforman>any response yet from the helpful ops gents in here?
20:24<bck>first I've mentioned it, might have been something before I arrived
20:24<purrdeta>my spamd processes were a bit less but meh
20:25<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
20:25<jforman>bck: mtr shows about 5-10% loss 2 hops out from my atlanta node, a IP
20:25<HoopyCat>i said
20:25<HoopyCat>linbot: ipinfo
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20:26<bck>jforman: we can't even ping a couple of ours, external monitoring is showing similar
20:27<jforman>something is definitely up at that hop, now its spiking to 21%
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20:27<bck>I'm flat at 100%
20:27<Cypher100>hoopycat I'm back I went to eat
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20:28<Cypher100>I tested the connection and I got a good 40mbits
20:28<Cypher100>download and upload
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20:28<HoopyCat>i'm getting 0% packet loss to, although i appear to be having network problems close to here so don't take that too seriously
20:29<bob2>actually, intermittent loss at
20:29<modular>anything interesting going on? i can't get to my box in atlanta.
20:29<bck>bob2: that's what I'm seeing
20:29<jforman>bob2: yeah, i confirm that same hop giving issues
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20:29<dkam>Hey guys - what's the 'flush-0:20' command taking up 100% CPU? I suspect it's paging virtual memory?
20:30<Cypher100>HoopyCat: The tech support will charge me a $15 fee is I ask them a qustion that exist in there faq database
20:30<HoopyCat>droppin' 280 ms and 1.5% between rochnymth and rochnyei is raising my eyebrow a bit, but that's not anywhere near atlanta
20:30<Cypher100>on the $4 vps
20:30<HoopyCat>Cypher100: i don't care too much about that, but i was looking to figure out why your linode's clock had drifted
20:31<Cypher100>I don't know why :P
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20:31<Cypher100>All changes I made 10 mins ago were changes back too
20:31<HoopyCat>Cypher100: hence the ntpq -pc rl
20:31<HoopyCat>i'm also seeing some packetloss to/from globalnet-127291-atl-bb1.c.telia, but it is just at that point and not extending through for me
20:31<jtbayly>what should I do if my node won't respond for SSh access?
20:32<Cypher100>I'm running ubuntu, command not found
20:32<orudie>jforman, yes connection dropping
20:32<bob2>jtbayly: is it in atlanta?
20:32<HoopyCat>Cypher100: apt-cache policy ntp <--- is it installed?
20:32<Cypher100>Installed: (none)
20:32<jtbayly>problems there?
20:33<jforman>jtbayly: several of us are seeing intermittent packet loss to atlanta
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20:33<HoopyCat>Cypher100: huh. which version of ubuntu? when was this deployed?
20:34<HoopyCat>newark->atlanta looks clean (0%, 22.1 ms RTT), at least to seems spotty
20:34<modular>my box is up, but i can't ping it from anywhere.
20:34<HoopyCat>Cypher100: well, apt-get install ntp <--- should fix the clock
20:34<jtbayly>My sites won't load, I can't ping my box, SSH fails with "Operation timed out"
20:34<HoopyCat>modular: WHEEEEEE!
20:34<HoopyCat>ok, i can reproduce
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20:35<modular>it just died about 10 minutes ago
20:35<modular>can't get there from my other linodes or from this starbucks.
20:35<modular>but the lish works
20:36<HoopyCat>modular: looks like a couple routers upstream of linode are freaking out about it... for your ticketing goodness
20:36<HoopyCat>the ol' routing loop, my good friend
20:36<modular>ya, that explains the traceroutes i'm seeing.
20:37<modular>figures, the only box that actually makes me money does down. :(
20:37<modular>all the money sucking open source stuff stays up
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20:38<modular>also seems to be a 10 minute delay on ip whitelist emails
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20:39<sir_bottington>my linode is not connected to the internet
20:39<sir_bottington>atlanta center
20:39<kevincupp>same here
20:39<bob2>atlanta seems to have routing problems
20:39<HoopyCat>sir_bottington: in
20:39<bob2>people are investimagating
20:41<HoopyCat>looks like something upstream of linode is doing the texas tailchase
20:41<Corren>does reverse dns require you host the fowrard DNS at linode?
20:41<teadict>so chmod g+s gets set only on directories?
20:41<HoopyCat>Corren: nope, it just requires you have an A record pointing at that IP
20:41<sir_bottington>the... the texas tailchase?
20:41<Corren>I wonder how long it takes :D (ttl at 300)
20:41<teadict>if I chmod g+s -R *, only dirs get the bit?
20:41<checkers>g specifies group
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20:42<HoopyCat>sir_bottington: traceroute to it, you'll see what i mean :-) routing loop. haven't seen one of these in awhile...
20:42<checkers>`find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} \;` to apply only on groups
20:42<teadict>oh right, now they are orange
20:42<teadict>orange is good sign, right?
20:42<bob2>Corren: note: not available for ipv6 yeat
20:42<Corren>not doing ipv6 but thanks for the fyi
20:42<HoopyCat>tastes like yellow over here
20:43<teadict>I see orange.. for g+s..
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20:43<checkers>g+s is represented by a s in the executable column when performing a ls -l
20:43<sstarkey>Hey... are there any known network issues right now?
20:43<checkers>group executable column, that is
20:43<teadict>checkers: yes
20:43<teadict>but now everything is orange also
20:44<checkers>colours are arbitrary
20:44<teadict>depends on emulator
20:44<checkers>that's what I said
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20:44<teadict>that's what shee said
20:44<HoopyCat>sstarkey: if you're in atlanta,, something upstream looks to be doing something funky. tickets have probably been opened.
20:45<modular>i opened one
20:45<sstarkey>Ahh.. I'm in Chicago... strange.
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20:45<bob2>sstarkey: /your linode/
20:45<sstarkey>Yeah.. it's in Atlanta.
20:45<sstarkey>Thanks. ;-)
20:46<HoopyCat>god damn, just saw a bunch of tcp connections to port 514 on one of my boxes after dropping the firewall for some testing
20:46<sstarkey>So we just wait then.
20:46<teadict>checkers: but new files, despite being created with the correct group ownership, don't get write permission as I wish...
20:46*HoopyCat wipes shit out of pants
20:46<HoopyCat>thanks, rsyslogd, for not looking shady at all
20:47<SelfishMan>I don't get it
20:47<checkers>teadict: sticky bit on directories controls ownership, not permissions
20:48<sstarkey>Thanks for your help guys.
20:48<sir_bottington>I wonder why nobody is updating the status blog
20:48<checkers>change the umask of the application creating those files
20:48<teadict>checkers: crap, that's harder
20:48<chesty>+s is not the sticky bit
20:48<bob2>sir_bottington: too busy fixing
20:48-!-hobocommand [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:48<chesty>+t is
20:48<checkers>sir_bottington: they avoid doing so unless someone notices, so fewer people notice
20:48<bob2>+s is setuid
20:48<checkers>chesty: oops
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20:48<HoopyCat>SelfishMan:, see 514/tcp
20:48<sir_bottington>checkers: XD
20:48<checkers>sir_bottington: dead serious
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20:49<teadict>checkers: I want users in this group to create files with group write permissions (whichever octal combination I wish for that matter) by default... is umasking the application the answer?
20:49<HoopyCat>sir_bottington: if it's just the /20, it's a fairly small outage
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20:50<rvhi>is atlanta site down?
20:50<opello>teadict: the user's umask will still be what they create files as
20:50<HoopyCat>rvhi: in
20:50<opello>teadict: which you can go clean up, or try to enforce, but they can ruin it for you
20:50<modular>"We have received similar reports from users experiencing issues reaching their Linodes located in the Atlanta, GA facility. We are currently communicating with our upstream provider in the Atlanta, GA facility, and we hope to have this issue resolved as soon as possible."
20:50<SelfishMan>ugh...the route flaps in atlanta are getting annoying
20:51<teadict>opello: then how do I accomplish correct collaboration between users of one group under certain path?
20:51<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: is it flapping now?
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20:51<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: You get the staple gun and I'll get urmom. Should be able to anchor down those routes pretty quick
20:51<opello>teadict: hope that they "get it" and do g+s on the dir like you had; but you can't make sure (or cron job to fix permissions)
20:51<SelfishMan>yeah, currently flapping
20:51<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: oh yeah, that's flapping like a mofo
20:51<teadict>opello: it's common situation: I have a path to which one user ssh into and other sftp into, I want them to be able to write each other's files
20:51<bob2>how can you see the flaps?
20:51<rvhi>looks like they lost the bgp route
20:51<Solver>last item there was a problem in atlanta was long ago afaik
20:51<bob2>oh, route-views elsewhere
20:51<rvhi>trace route sees traffic bouncing between two routers
20:51<HoopyCat>bob2: well, you can see the after-effects of the flapping
20:52<opello>teadict: right, i get what you want, i've wanted the same thing in the past :)
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20:52<teadict>opello: so is the current approaach wrong?
20:52<opello>teadict: but there are subtle annoyances with it, like the user setting a more restrictive (e.g. g-rw) umask
20:52<teadict>opello: if the current solutions being discussed are wrong, I¡'ll dump them.. I want the real solution
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20:52<opello>teadict: not wrong, but requires users to not break things, or something to fix permissions for you
20:53<rvhi>is it being worked on??
20:53<teadict>opello: then there *is* a better one, right?
20:53<opello>external synchronization i guess, svn, git, cvs, hg, ...
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20:53<teadict>I guessed so
20:53<HoopyCat>rvhi: from what modular just pasted, it seems so. you'll probably want to open a ticket for more direct info
20:53<teadict>stupid temporary solutions I need to enable
20:53<teadict>I'll tell my codeverloper to wait for git-core to be configured
20:53<teadict>opello: thank you :)
20:54<caironoleto>I can't connect at my vps! Anybody can help me?
20:54<opello>teadict: it's frustrating :) good luck
20:54<teadict>opello: temporary solutions suck... not real ones like a VCS
20:54<sir_bottington>routing loop
20:54<caironoleto>oh shit! This is it!
20:54<HoopyCat>caironoleto: in looks like something weird upstream of linode; i believe it is being worked on
20:54-!-KBme [~KBme@2001:470:cabe:666:666:666:666:666] has quit [Quit: KBme kthxbye]
20:54<diagonalfish>same thing we're seeing
20:55<sir_bottington>effing internet, how does it work?
20:55<Yaakov>IT IS A GIANT CARP
20:55<caironoleto>HoopyCat: no, it is
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20:55<HoopyCat>caironoleto: !
20:55<kevincupp>my linode is back
20:56<Yaakov>I have native IPv6.
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20:56<Nivex>Yaakov: at home?
20:56<Yaakov>Nivex: No, I turned that down.
20:57<Yaakov>Nivex: The T&C on th Comcast beta were unacceptable.
20:57<caironoleto>my linode is back too
20:57<HoopyCat>caironoleto: BGP looks clean for that subnet, and i can reach an IP in that block, and... ah, yeah, it probably went away before i saw it
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21:00<caironoleto>HoopyCat: Not for me, but now come up :)
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21:01<sir_bottington>well, that was fun. let's not do this again sometime ;P
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21:01<modular>atlanta is still hosed, afaik
21:02<kevincupp>yeah it came back for a few minutes, gone again
21:02<linbot>New news from forums: Some confusions! LAMP or LEMP?? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
21:03<Webhostbudd>glad im not the only one
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21:04<Webhostbudd>is there any news on what is going on?
21:05*DrJ is just about to move his server to new york
21:05<DrJ>this is twice in a month
21:05<modular>"We have received similar reports from users experiencing issues reaching their Linodes located in the Atlanta, GA facility. We are currently communicating with our upstream provider in the Atlanta, GA facility, and we hope to have this issue resolved as soon as possible."
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21:06<bob2>spoiler alert: if you care about uptime, you can't rely on a single server in a single location anywhere
21:06<Webhostbudd>its true
21:06<Webhostbudd>but im poor
21:06<modular>spoiler alert: if you care about uptime, you can't rely on a single provider anywhere
21:06<HoopyCat>it takes money to make availability
21:06<Webhostbudd>this is the truth
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21:07<HoopyCat>also, if you care about uptime, you're caring about the wrong thing :-)
21:07<Webhostbudd>is twitter down too, what is up
21:07<Nivex>it's not about uptime, it's about planned downtime.
21:07<modular>atlanta has planned network maintenance in a few days
21:08<Nivex>next wednesday is going to be... fun. We're going to power down the entire server room at $WORK so they can put in a new generator transfer switch.
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21:08<HoopyCat>Nivex: a slightly used one coming in via freight from california?
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21:09<Nivex>HoopyCat: I don't know. Not my department. I just gotta make sure the servers all power down cleanly.
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21:09<Coalpaw>At least it isn't just me!
21:10<Webhostbudd>yea, at first i thought my build was unstable(just rebuilt the server)
21:10<JDLSpeedy>From icmp_seq=1 Time to live exceeded
21:10<JDLSpeedy>LOL, interesting
21:11<Nivex>round and round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows!
21:11<JDLSpeedy>I think its telling me I shouldn't be working on my linode tonight :-/
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21:12<HoopyCat>i think it is weird night on the internet
21:12<modular>even lish is lagging bad now
21:12<ajmitch>despite the routing loop, I seem to have no problems accessing my linode
21:12<HoopyCat>it's ~300ms to go ten miles here
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21:13<HoopyCat>and how did the first half of that line get dropped?
21:13<Coalpaw>yeah only one of my 3 are inaccessible
21:13<HoopyCat>i meant to say "i'm wondering wtf it's ~300ms to go ten miles here"
21:14<BarkariII>netflix and hulu have been unstable for me the past two days
21:14<Solver>yeah you did seem calm about it :)
21:14<seanh-ansca>HoopyCat: could be worse, when i was in africa you'd end up with really crapy pings because of sat connections
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21:14<Nivex>we can haz peering?
21:14<HoopyCat>seanh-ansca: they better not be using a satellite
21:14<seanh-ansca>getting from kigali to nirobi would go through sweeden first, crap like that
21:15<seanh-ansca>3s ping times
21:15<HoopyCat>actually, gonna power-cycle the cable modem, just 'cuz that's the flowchart
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21:15*Solver remembers stuff like that before the widespread deployment of IXs
21:16<HoopyCat>did not help
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21:16<JDLSpeedy>what i don't understand is why no update on
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21:16<BarkariII>north america isn't usually yellow
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21:17<HoopyCat>JDLSpeedy: it seems (from data i have) to be only a /20
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21:17<HoopyCat>JDLSpeedy: partial outage, upstream
21:17<borisd>Is anyone experiencing problems ssh-ing to linode servers?
21:17<bob2>film at 11
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21:18<bob2>borisd: are you in atlanta
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21:18<ajmitch>someone cut the tubes
21:18<HoopyCat>borisd: atlanta
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21:18<HoopyCat>borisd: looks like a routing problem upstream of linode... as far as i know, they're working on it
21:19<JDLSpeedy>HoopyCat: ok, thanks, not me, i tried to connect and i couldn't, but that coulda been my mistake
21:20<HoopyCat>huh, 312 ms RTT but jitter is only about 20 ms and loss < 1%...
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21:20<HoopyCat>my wife, of course, hops on the blower before i can say "somethin funky with the roadrunner"
21:20<ajmitch>HoopyCat: now you get to experience what it's like to be in NZ or australia :)
21:21<HoopyCat>ajmitch: Y U NO HEISENBURG COMPENSATORS??
21:21<modular>i think it's back
21:21<JDLSpeedy>HoopyCat: my linode seamed to have that issue, but now seams to be resolved
21:21<dwilkins>Still out for me
21:22<dwilkins>Dallas is OK, ATL is out
21:25<Coalpaw>I'm calling bad internet thingy...
21:26<Nivex>JDLSpeedy: I didn't know Linode had seamstresses
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21:27<JDLSpeedy>Nivex: sorry my spelling is not good :(
21:27<tsi>presumably not the first to ask: networking in atlanta horked?
21:27<HoopyCat>the most economical method of packet extraction from packet seams depends on the depth and quality of the seams, and the geology and environmental factors
21:27<diagonalfish>indeed it seems to be, at an upstream provider
21:27<HoopyCat>tsi: in
21:27<tsi>ok, back to defcon 5 then.
21:27<modular>it seems to be fixed here, but it was down for about 45 minutes
21:27<duckydan>One of my Linodes keeps saying apt-get has no upgrades, but I know there are several. Where should I start the troubleshooting?
21:28<HoopyCat>duckydan: which distro/version? have you run apt-get update?
21:28<linbot>New news from forums: SSL certificates IP and subdomains in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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21:29<HoopyCat>tsi: hrrrrm, hadn't seen that one mentioned yet
21:29<duckydan>HoopyCat: 10.04 Ubuntu, the update seems to run fine. Tried the clean and check options on apt-get already.
21:29<dwilkins>ATL is back now???
21:29*Nivex sees a clean trace to atlanta1
21:29<Obsidian|server>might just be the kernel stuff duckydan
21:29<tsi>i've been getting ~15% packet loss, enough to hang an ssh
21:29<Obsidian|server>ubuntu server holds back those updates
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21:29<tsi>making diagnosing incredibly frustrating
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21:30<HoopyCat>duckydan: try 'apt-cache policy php5' just to compare versions... i know that one came out within the past week... should be 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.9?
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21:30<duckydan>Obsidian|server: I have an identical system (cloned from Atlanta a month ago) that updates fine.
21:30<JDLSpeedy>HoopyCat: ahh, I was in the
21:30<tsi>... well and now it seems snappy
21:30<Obsidian|server>duckydan: I've got two boxes both running 10.04, they both say there's 5 packages to update
21:30<tsi>so i guess all i had to do was observe it. thanks, schroedinger's bgp.
21:30<sirpengi>duckydan: is this something that happened today or something that's been a problem for a while?
21:30<Obsidian|server>both have nothing on apt-get upgrade
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21:31<duckydan>sirpengi: Maybe a week or so.
21:31<dwilkins>tsi: same here. As soon as I sent a few emails telling people about what's going on, someone fixed it.
21:31<HoopyCat>tsi: that one's just announced as a /24, so it's possible it's horked but you're alone
21:31<sirpengi>duckydan: oh, I was going to suggest mirror slowness, but a week seems kinda long for a mirror to lag.
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21:33<duckydan>HoopyCat: Version table: *** 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.9
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21:34<HoopyCat>duckydan: huh. from
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21:35<Obsidian|server>duckydan: what's apt-get upgrade report for you btw?
21:35<duckydan>HoopyCat: Sorry, not following you.
21:35<Obsidian|server>any packages kept back?
21:35<duckydan>Obsidian|server: It says 0 to upgrade.
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21:35<HoopyCat>duckydan: 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.9 came out no earlier than may 4th
21:35<duckydan>Obsidian|server: Not that I know of.
21:35*Obsidian|server has this for his message: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
21:36<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: apt-get dist-upgrade will fix up those three
21:36<duckydan>Obsidian|server: Except the 3 not upgraded part.
21:36<Obsidian|server>duckydan: what packages do you know are updated? any?
21:36<Obsidian|server>is this something you're seeing in the motd on login?
21:36<duckydan>I've never had apt-get to this before.
21:36<HoopyCat>duckydan: is something upgrading for you? check, say, /var/log/apt/history.log
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21:37<duckydan>Obsidian|server: Don't know motd.
21:37<duckydan>HoopyCat: Will check. Never knowingly set anything up like that.
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21:39<Obsidian|server>the stuff displayed when you login?
21:39<HoopyCat>Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS
21:39<HoopyCat>Welcome to Moe's!
21:40<Obsidian|server>^ basically that yah
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21:40*Obsidian|server checks if sam is online
21:40<duckydan>Yes, it shows things when I log in.
21:40<HoopyCat> * Documentation:
21:40<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: where you the one that said you ran a tf2 server on a linode?
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21:40<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: gods no, i have too little free time to bother with such trivialities
21:40<Obsidian|server>who was that
21:41<Obsidian|server>Sam was trying to find out how well tf2 ran
21:41<duckydan>Ok, the apt/history.log shows I upgraded on the 6th so I must be stupid and forgot. Could the motd messages be not updating?
21:42<Obsidian|server>clear out the /etc/motd.tail file if it's got anything in it
21:43<duckydan>Can I safely delete the motd.tail?
21:44<Obsidian|server>Just echo '' into it
21:44<duckydan>Or should I empty it?
21:44<Obsidian|server>I wouldn't delete it
21:44<Obsidian|server>aaand suddenly youtube starts 503'ing on me
21:44<HoopyCat>if you delete it, it'll have trouble balancing and will look awkward and confused:
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21:45<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: you know, maybe this is cyberwarfare
21:45<HoopyCat>we're under cyberattack
21:45<Obsidian|server>oh god
21:45<Obsidian|server>they're taking out our entertainment
21:45<bob2>call the CYBER POLICE
21:45<Obsidian|server>the country will crumble from within if this continues! D:
21:45<duckydan>Ok, that fixed it. Thanks so much!
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21:46<Obsidian|server>if that happens again, I guess that'll be something to check eh?
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21:46<duckydan>A left-over motd.tail and my poor memory almost beat me.
21:46<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: so what do we do to retaliate
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21:47<HoopyCat>my IMAP connection to gmail keeps resetting, and i can't keep a phone call up because they stuck 50,000 miles of fiber optic cable between two adjacent towns
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21:47<Obsidian|server>brilliant routing A+?
21:47<HoopyCat>duckydan: ubuntu's been doing that a lot lately, weirdly enough. so don't feel bad :-)
21:48<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: when did that start popping up anyways?
21:48<Obsidian|server>I noticed it on my box a few weeks ago
21:48<Obsidian|server>five or six-ish
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21:53<sir_bottington>hey guys. i made you a commemorative comic edit of sweet bro and hella jeff
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21:55<HoopyCat>sir_bottington: don't withhold useful information during a crisis! open a ticket with that immediately
21:55*HoopyCat clicks "Self Care" and cowers in fear
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21:57<sir_bottington>sorry hoopycat. next time i'll try to warn the packets about looopbacs
21:58<sir_bottington>haha, i bet the IT guys would like that
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21:59<magnetic>can any of you guy recomend an irc client for android?
22:01<duckydan>Another question. I'd like one of my Linodes to monitor the other and notify me when one goes down. Been googling for an Ubuntu package for the. Recommendations?
22:01<magnetic>I'll take a look. noone else?? lol
22:01<bob2>duckydan: all monitoring tools are terrible
22:01<bob2>nagios is probably what you want
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22:02<duckydan>bob2: Will check it out. Thanks.
22:02<magnetic>I like cloudkick but it does not run on you own server.
22:03<HoopyCat>nagios is great, but it's exceedingly complex... probably the best one i've used was
22:03<HoopyCat>but it is kinda dead at this point
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22:06<duckydan>nagios looks really complex.
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22:07<megaf>hi folks, I need URGENT help, it seems like my Linode lost internet connection
22:08<megaf>--- ping statistics ---
22:08<megaf>69 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 67999ms
22:08<bob2>forgot to mention if you're in atlanta or not
22:08<megaf>it happened about 30 minutes ago
22:08<HoopyCat>megaf: is it in atlanta? (and can you ping your default gateway?)
22:08<megaf>I am
22:08<megaf>im not
22:08<megaf>my linode is
22:08<megaf>bob2, Hobbsee
22:09<megaf>what do you mean:
22:09<megaf>I didnt change anything
22:09<HoopyCat>hrm, not fitting the pattern...
22:10<HoopyCat>megaf: can you ping
22:10<megaf>HoopyCat, yes I can
22:11<arby>hi all. my linode's got multiple IPs, allocated as IP aliases to my eth0. for each IPv4 assigned, with a server behind it, I can SNAT map outbound traffic from the server so traffic appears to originate from the server's IP. works a charm.
22:11<arby> with multiple IPv6s, tho, i've got no NAT, so how do I go about getting traffic to originate from each server's IPv*6*?
22:12<HoopyCat>megaf: sounds probably related to the other atlanta funk going on, but opening a ticket is probably a good idea
22:12<HoopyCat> <--- i haven't seen THAT happen before
22:13<randallman>arby, 'with a server behind it'?
22:15<arby>randallman: one app @ each IP adddress ... apache server, mail server, etc
22:15<HoopyCat>arby: you tell the program that wants to open a network socket to bind to a specific IP
22:16<randallman>yeah that's how it's done
22:16<randallman>using SNAT? What did you match on?
22:16<randallman>(in ipv4?)
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22:17<HoopyCat>ok, Road Runner Subscriber Self Care isn't anything to do with fixing actual problems
22:17-!-bck [] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
22:17<randallman>Is it a website for birds? That need medical assistance?
22:17<bob2>doesn't Leviticus advise against self-care?
22:17<HoopyCat>i'm loathe to get a human involved, because at least packets are making it through
22:18<randallman>last time I called comcast
22:18<randallman>I had a shot cable modem
22:18<randallman>new modem, packet loss go bye
22:19<HoopyCat>randallman: ~300 ms latency between two upstream hops, confirmed via twitter with someone across town
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22:20<arby>HoopyCat: that's sufficient? /me stares at his PF firewall rules, and wonders "Why ....". ok, so, how bout a client app, like ssh. e.g., test_1, i want ssh *out* to appear to come 'from' IPv6::1. for test_2, i want ssh *out* to appear to come 'from' IPv6::2. etc.
22:20<randallman>a command like ssh... does it even have a way to set a src IP?
22:21<randallman>-b :0
22:21<HoopyCat>arby: ssh -b IPv6::1 ...
22:21*arby *facepalms*. "man ssh". whoulda thunk !? (i really have been staring at dnssec, openvpn & ipv6 way too long today ...)
22:21<HoopyCat>megaf: ah yep, it smelled like bad hardware
22:22<randallman>I like how the manpage says "Only useful on systems with more than one address."
22:22<randallman>Im not sure what value that actually adds to the manpage
22:22<HoopyCat>rtucker@framboise:~$ ip addr | grep -c global
22:22<arby>docwriters get paid by word count, no?
22:22<randallman>someone writing a manpage for a free application?
22:23<HoopyCat>arby: call me when you have to use a different default gateway depending on source ip
22:23<HoopyCat>arby: there is, afaik, no command-line switch for that :-)
22:23<randallman>Nice HoopyCat :)
22:23<arby>randallman: it's a dot-com financial model ...
22:23<randallman>arby: Perhaps the author of the manpage earned more beer :)
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22:24<ajmitch>HoopyCat: the app shouldn't have to care about default gateways, that's up to however you want to mangle routing tables
22:25<randallman>ROUTE MAP!
22:25*randallman shudders in pain
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22:25*arby dislikes 'mangle'. it's slick & shifty-eyed ... don't trust it
22:25<HoopyCat>ajmitch: nod, that's not the app's problem :-)
22:26<arby>cans-n-strings were much easier than all this dual-stack stuff. my $0.02 ...
22:26<Nivex>arby: yeah but it wasn't routable
22:26<randallman>Lets face it, the pain is that there isnt a 'NAT' in ip6tables :)
22:26<xiven>Anyone using a linode to host flash/java web games, greeting cards, or something else people are generally interested in?
22:27<arby>randallman: i don't feel so silly haveing wished for that the last day or so ...
22:27<randallman>My F5 will do 'nat' to/from ipv6... but then again it's a load balancer so it has to do some amount of translation no matter the l3 protocol
22:27<HoopyCat>ah, there's network status, under FAQ -> Security/Abuse... tells me to click here, or click on the big "Network Status" at the bottom of every page, as they circled in the screenshot that looks nothing like the page... oh wait! that faq page's template does have a Network Status link in the footer
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22:27<HoopyCat>if they weren't the best internet provider in this area, i'd go somewhere else
22:27<bob2>im in ur network balancing ur load with my poorly-moniterable embedded bsd-and-squid os
22:28<HoopyCat>ah, excellent. level red outage, started... april 11 at 3:48pm
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22:29<randallman>bob2: Hide your kids, hide your wife? Cause they hacking ey'body up in here?
22:29<HoopyCat>well, at least it's not as bad as the next town over, that has apparently been without service since december...
22:30<arby>other than being grumpy that linode's NS's don't do RDNS for IPv6, what *do* folks do for PTR records? don't say : stick with tunnels which can allocate RDNS to my servers ... i'll start to weep
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22:30<bob2>'deal', I guess
22:31<bob2>there's nothing you can do until linode offers it or you give up and use a tunnel
22:31<arby>bob2: dealwithout? or deal in another wya?
22:31<arby>ah ...
22:31<randallman>dig -x 2001:470:e1b5:1:21f:c6ff:fe45:745a
22:31<randallman>Its on etc...
22:31<HoopyCat>arby: for my linode allocations, i do nothing for there is nothing to do yet
22:32<randallman>I think I use a hidden master tho
22:32<randallman>and it axfrs?
22:32<randallman>I ferget
22:32<HoopyCat>yeah, i'm something like that too
22:32<arby>randallman: that's for the assigned single/128, not the 4096-addy/116
22:33<randallman> 3600 IN NS
22:33<randallman>that's my whole /64
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22:33<bob2>randallman: HE-space
22:33<randallman>oohh... I have yet to get an official linode ipv6 addr
22:33<bob2>randallman: I assume arby is asking about linode native ivp6
22:33<randallman>so they arent offering PTRs?
22:33<HoopyCat>dig -x 2001:470:8b37:f101:d685:64ff:fea3:967a +trace <--- how i do it for HE-space
22:33<arby>bob2: yep. randallman "We don't support reverse DNS for IPv6 addresses yet, although this is certainly something that will be considered in the future. "
22:34<bob2>randallman: they have not enabled support for that in the LPM thing yet
22:34<randallman>Im sure they will
22:34<Jerub>last i looked one of the resolvers at fremont would time out doing PTR lookups, and the other would return NXDOMAIN instantly.
22:34<randallman>Tough to run stuff like e-mail on ipv6 w/o rdns :0
22:34<Jerub>so there's a bug there.
22:34<HoopyCat>arby: or
22:34<arby>HoopyCat: ooh! "comming weeks"!
22:35<Jerub>randallman: email doesn't, and has never, needed ptr records. there's a few mistaken spam filters out there that seem to think they do, and they should be taken out behind the shed and shot.
22:35<randallman>Jerub, spam filters tend to score based on RDNS_NONE
22:35<arby>Jerub: well, if you plan to use SSL certs ...
22:35<randallman>I mean we can say spamassassin is broken, but it works...
22:35<ajmitch>Jerub: there are unfortunately more than just a few spam filters that look at reverse dns
22:36<HoopyCat>i tend to accept mail fairly openly via IPv6, although i'm generally of the opinion that anyone sending me mail damn well better know how to do a PTR
22:36<ajmitch>it's more SMTP that should be taken out back & shot
22:36<bob2>caker: ping
22:36<duckydan>Goodnight all.
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22:37<randallman>Furthermore, postfix has that option to enable fwd/rev lookups on the helo, doesnt it? Its a bit draconian and I do not use it, but.
22:37<bob2>it does
22:37<randallman>I force the HELO to be a fqdn.
22:37<bob2>fwd doesn't seem unreasonable to me
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22:37<bob2>same for envelope sender
22:37<arby>sending to @aol requires it -- rather draconian abt the whole biz
22:38<bob2>that domain should be real
22:38<Callum>Are theyre any admins here?
22:38<Callum>or staff?
22:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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22:38<randallman>lets face it, e-mail is so f'd up these days... ANYTHING we can do to reduce the flow of illegitimate e-mail (on weekends, 96%+)
22:38<Callum>My Linode has been accessed by someone else, I got every cleared out and passwords/email changed, however my server was emptied.
22:39<Jerub>i'm of the opinion that one false positive is too many.
22:39<Callum>I run a minecraft server, and the person deleted the miencraft folder
22:39<randallman>define false positive
22:39<Callum>Is there any way to get it back?
22:39<Callum>I didnt buy backups
22:39<Jerub>there are many constructive and legit ways of blocking spam, and there are also a heap of horrible ones that only serve to obstruct the usefulness of email.
22:39<randallman>I dont count 'admins were silly, didnt research how to send e-mail' as a false positive :)
22:39<arby>Callum: and not backing up offiste either?
22:39<randallman>If you say 'HELO mystupidexchangeserver.lan', IM NOT DELIVERING your mail :)
22:40<bob2>Callum: linode sells unmanaged vpses
22:40<randallman>RDNS_NONE just adds points... 'Stupid admin or spammer' points :)
22:40<Callum>I see
22:40<bob2>Callum: so sorry but hope you learn a lesson :-)
22:40<HoopyCat>Callum: did you back up the data anywhere else?
22:40<Jerub>randallman: okay, who are you? where do you work? i just need the details for my notes.
22:40<randallman>Jerub, heh
22:40*gadams I BACKUP TO THE CLOUD!
22:40<Callum>Thanks guys, I was just wondering and i thank you for the replies
22:41<Callum>i need more information on buying bacxkups
22:41<Callum>is there any info page
22:41<HoopyCat>RAID 1 immediately replicates file deletions and corruptions across multiple disks simultaneously :-)
22:42<randallman>jerub, if you dont agree that 'Being able to deliver mail in today's e-mail age by researching how to properly configure a mail server or outsourcing to someone who can' is an accurate depiction of the reality of SMTP in today's world, not sure what to say :)
22:42<Callum>Also my server crashes often
22:43<Callum>IS this because of RAM exceeding limit?
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22:43<HoopyCat>Callum: how much RAM do you have?
22:43<bob2>depends what crash means
22:43<Callum>or is it just downtime
22:43<Callum>I have 512
22:43<Callum>thinking about upgrading
22:43<randallman>oh and, the default for RDNS_NONE is pretty low :) 0.1
22:43<HoopyCat>Callum: that ought to be able to handle at least 1/3 to 1/2 of a minecraft server
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22:44<Callum>HoopyCat: Alright, I guess I will be updating to the 1 or 2 GB RAM servers :P
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22:45<Commodore>the minecraft server can be kinda unstable still
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23:00<megaf>HoopyCat, you are right
23:00<megaf>10:20pm (EDT): Our upstream provider has identified a faulty piece of networking equipment, and are currently working to replace the affected hardware.
23:01<SleePy>Call tech support!
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23:07<HoopyCat> <--- i stand with the proud people of atlanta during this time of distress
23:08*ajmitch has a rather backwards speedtest at work - 5Mb/s down, 10Mb/s up
23:09<HoopyCat>i'm normally somewhere around 20 Mb/sec down and 1.2 Mb/sec up
23:10<ajmitch>interesting, I use squid on my linode over an ssh tunnel and only lose 0.5Mb/sec downstream speed
23:11<HoopyCat>i openvpn through there from my netbook and the result is similar (for "far field" endpoints, at least)
23:11<ajmitch>though I'm in NZ & have a linode in fremont
23:11<HoopyCat>obviously, is faster from with the openvpn down, but (with auto-server-detector) is about the same
23:13<SleePy>Remember the days of 56k dialup modems :D
23:13<ajmitch>all too well
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23:13<SelfishMan>what is a modem?
23:13<SleePy>Seems like only yesterday they where still being included in desktops by pc manufactures through a pci card
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23:15*ajmitch is waiting patiently for VDSL
23:15<megaf>my linode is back!
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23:21<megaf>I love you Linode
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23:23<Kyhwana>ajmitch: yeah, you'll be waiting a while longer :P even assuming you're in range of the exchange/cabinet for it
23:24<HoopyCat>look out your window. can you read the model number on the vdsl switch? if so, you're within range
23:25<ajmitch>Kyhwana: no doubt, I'm in range but I don't think I'll be able to get it from my ISP for awhile :)
23:25<HoopyCat>it's like ethernet, but safe for inter-building use
23:26<ajmitch>most places in NZ cities seem to be fairly close to cabinets now, quite a few of which have been upgraded for VDSL
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23:27<ajmitch>but then a few projects like this get put off to rebuild christchurch for some reason :)
23:27<tjfontaine>A-KO: seriously?
23:28<akerl>My guess would be he thought he was in a different window :p
23:28<HoopyCat>seems like a medical emergency
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23:28<mwalling>or feline
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23:28<HoopyCat>mwalling: never
23:28<ajmitch>felines have a bad habit of taking over keyboards
23:28<HoopyCat>mwalling: woulda been much more random
23:29<akerl>It's part one of the plan for word domination. 1) Keyboard takeover. 2) ??? 3) Profit!
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23:29<tjfontaine>HoopyCat: I agree
23:29<mwalling>HoopyCat: linode can do that by sitting
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23:29<HoopyCat>mwalling: laser-retracting keyboard tray
23:30*mwalling gbtw
23:31<HoopyCat>oh wow, route from here to framboise just shifted... instead of rr chi->telia nyc->nac, it is now rr chi->rr nyc->nlayer->nac
23:32<HoopyCat>'course, that's not the part of the route that got me to watch this in the first place
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23:38<Shubuntu>hey guys how's everyone doing
23:39<Shubuntu>umm i'm trying to find a tutorial for how to create a div and use it as a browser and load pages in it and change content, i donno how to word it exactly in google. i tried a few times. any help is appreciated.
23:39<Jerub>Shubuntu: you want #web on freenode i think.
23:40<Shubuntu>ok thanks
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23:44<linbot>New news from forums: Need recommendation on books - LAMP (Debian / MySQL) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.31169284, 0.70664085) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17745 of 22559 (π ≈ 3.146416064541868 - 0.004823410952075)
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