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00:00<CodyPChristian>I feel like an idiot dealing with this but I just want both domains to work on 443 lol
00:00<EvilMTeck>i miss sex...
00:00<@heckman>Just to confirm I am getting the correct DNS answers: = and =
00:00<EvilMTeck>5yr is a long dry spell
00:00<CodyPChristian>Correct heck
00:01<@heckman>Okay, when browsing the IP address I am served the correct SSL cert.
00:02<@heckman> - works
00:02<@heckman> - blank page (for me)
00:02<@heckman>Are you seeing the same?
00:03<EvilMTeck>"You sometimes get into fights, however only if the other person truley deserves it. You sometimes find fighting fun."
00:03<CodyPChristian>Yes I am
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00:03<@heckman>CodyPChristian: mind throwing your configuration files in to a pastebin:
00:03<@heckman>I would say only for the panel virtualhost
00:04<CodyPChristian>Btw from -S
00:04<CodyPChristian>VirtualHost configuration:
00:04<CodyPChristian> is a NameVirtualHost
00:04<CodyPChristian> default server (/etc/apache2/conf.d/1.conf:41)
00:04<CodyPChristian> port 443 namevhost (/etc/apache2/conf.d/1.conf:41)
00:04<CodyPChristian>Opps meant to pastebin that ;)
00:04<@heckman>What distro are you using, btw?
00:05<@heckman>Interesting location for those configuration files. Goes against the Apache2 Debianism configurations. No matter.
00:05<CodyPChristian>I have a different setup for my vhosts
00:06<CodyPChristian>and its named 1.conf so it loads first before the others.
00:06<CodyPChristian>and it loads any *.conf files from /etc/apache2/conf.d/ directory
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00:07<CodyPChristian>That domain is the only one that is in "/var/www/vhost/1/" too, the rest arent
00:07<CodyPChristian>But anyways
00:07<@heckman>That looks to be good. I don't think the ServerAlias is required under the SSL section as the ServerName == ServerAlias, but I don't believe that would break anything. Is there anything in the public_https folder? What happens if (for testing purposes) you change the SSL's DocumentRoot to "/var/www/vhost/1/"
00:08<CodyPChristian>one sec
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00:08<@heckman>Well that looks better
00:09<@heckman>I'm getting conent now "Account Login"
00:09<CodyPChristian>Good, I dont see that.
00:09<CodyPChristian>Could be a DNS thing for me.
00:09<CodyPChristian>So both http and https for you show the panel login page?
00:09<@heckman>Try flushing your browser's cache, as well as the DNS cache for your local PC
00:09<CodyPChristian>kk Im on OpenDNS.
00:10<@heckman>CodyPChristian: sends me to this page: is the hosting domain for CPC Studios, if your looking for hosting please visit
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00:10<@heckman> however gets me to the login for the panel.
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00:10<CodyPChristian>Ahh okay so that tells me that https is working fine
00:10<CodyPChristian>http is not
00:12<@heckman>Are they running out of the same DocumentRoot?
00:12<CodyPChristian>Yes http and https point to the same
00:12<@heckman>Where is that page I am seeing being generated at?
00:12<CodyPChristian>so the subdomain is pointing to the root domain
00:13<@heckman>one sec
00:13<@heckman>I have a theory
00:13<CodyPChristian>Which... -S shows ""
00:14<CodyPChristian>Wait a sec..
00:14<@heckman>Nope, my theory is wrong.
00:15<CodyPChristian>Fixed one issue
00:15<CodyPChristian>Try to goto panel. again on http not https
00:15<@heckman>That looks good
00:15<@heckman>All fixed here.
00:16<CodyPChristian>Awesome so once DNS goes in for me then I should see the same.
00:16<CodyPChristian>Does the cert appear valid on both https domains?
00:16<@heckman>Google Chrome on OS X is showing both as being valid.
00:17<CodyPChristian>Perfect then, thanks!
00:17<CodyPChristian>That last change was a stupid mistake ;)
00:17<CodyPChristian>Forgot to set the NameVirtualHost for the 2nd :80 IP
00:17<CodyPChristian>I had it set for both IPs for 443 but not for 80
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00:18<CodyPChristian>Thanks for all the help man!
00:18<CodyPChristian>Owe you a beer! XD
00:18<@heckman>Haha not a problem.
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00:36<praetorian>go archland!
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00:42<@heckman>praetorian: Finnix is missing.
00:43<praetorian>id assume a few are
00:44<EvilMTeck>heckman: finnix was raptured?
00:44<@heckman>Happy Debian Republic independance day!
00:44<@heckman>Because in #linode, every day is Debian Republic independance day!
00:44<DrJ>praetorian: I'm a proud citizen of Centosia
00:45<praetorian>it's also wear your hair on your chin day.
00:45<praetorian>i was reading a fedora wiki article the other day
00:45<DrJ>so where is the dark land of windows on that map?
00:45<praetorian>it was on how to make an RPM... there was a thousand steps..
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00:46<praetorian>DrJ: /linux world map/
00:46<praetorian>hmm. on distro watch.. arch is more popular than centos
00:47<nDuff>...think about what kind of people use CentOS. Are they the sort likely to be counted on distrowatch?
00:47*DrJ doesn't get the "isle of marK"
00:47<praetorian>s/on distrowatch//g
00:47<dr_jkl>kay, heckman
00:47<praetorian>DrJ: shuttleworth
00:47<dr_jkl>it's idiot question time
00:48*nDuff was previously at Dell MessageOne; thousands and thousands of CentOS machines, all quietly doing mail storage and search and generally minding their own business.
00:48<dr_jkl>heckman: check my work for me, sweetie?
00:48<@heckman>What work?
00:48<dr_jkl>can i pm you?
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00:50<ak47surve>I needed help troubleshooting my linode server becoming unresponsive
00:50<ak47surve>1. CPU:
00:50<ak47surve>2. Bits/sec
00:50<EvilMTeck>ak47surve: what makes you thing we can see that?
00:51<EvilMTeck>also... my first guess... get rid of apache
00:51<ak47surve>3. Blocks/sec:
00:51<ak47surve>yea I m using apache
00:51<EvilMTeck>remove apache, problem solved
00:52<praetorian>how is that really a solution?
00:52<ak47surve>here are the charts on a pub url
00:53<EvilMTeck>because apache is a loaded pile of crap that has zero idea how to be effiient or manage resources
00:53<pharaun_ipad_>it's more of how ya admin it...
00:54<EvilMTeck>no.... no matter what you do with it, it's still bloated and ugly
00:54<EvilMTeck>not an argument i feel like wining again... point is, ditch apache and resource problems will probably go away
00:55<ak47surve>does it look like a resources problem?
00:55<praetorian>EvilMTeck: how are the problems going to go away, if its a database problem?
00:55<praetorian>thats uch a naive response
00:55<pharaun_ipad_>or a misconfig? :p
00:55<EvilMTeck>praetorian: 400% CPU usage.. what do you think?
00:56<pharaun_ipad_>probably just bad code or misconfig
00:56<EvilMTeck>bad code.... indeed
00:56<pharaun_ipad_>my bet is the config
00:56<EvilMTeck>that sums up apache quite well
00:56<ak47surve>misconfig - of apache?
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00:57<EvilMTeck>ak47surve: unless you kick apache to the curb, you're likely to run into these types of issues over and over; even IIS handles resources better than apache...
00:57<pharaun_ipad_>ak47surve: apache or the code... what ya running?
00:58<ak47surve>EvilMTeck, pharun_ipad_ , praetorian: Is there a way I can troubleshoot to find out who's the problem, now that it's stuck?
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00:58<praetorian>ak47surve: as pharaun_ipad_ asked, wht are you running?
00:58<praetorian>apache / mysql? / php?
00:58<gadams>My linode is off, but my website is working.
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00:59<EvilMTeck>ak47surve: check your query :)
00:59<pharaun_ipad_>gadams: lassie probably, she barked at the node to start it back up
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00:59<gadams>pharaun_ipad_, nope
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01:00<pharaun_ipad_>then... caching?
01:00*gadams facepalm
01:00<gadams>You guys have no idea how much this fucked with me
01:03<praetorian>ak47surve: so what are you running?
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01:06<gadams>whats the cost to transfer linodes to a different DC?
01:06<Kyhwana>gadams: downtime
01:06<pharaun_ipad_>bait of bw
01:06<gadams>Thought it was $$?
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01:15<KyleXY>heckman: happy days
01:16<@heckman>It was a good show
01:16<KyleXY>not the show :p
01:16<ak47surve>praetorial: just 10/15 sites as virtual host
01:16<KyleXY>heckman: Yet another linked server,
01:16<ak47surve>all the sites are wordpress
01:16<@heckman>Haha awesome.
01:16<KyleXY>heckman: another linode, can't blame them they're cheap and nice :p
01:17<KyleXY>Now I'm working on a little big rom hosting/gallery site
01:17<@heckman>I prefer the term competitively priced. Children's toys from China were cheap...and also had lead paint.
01:17*Perihelion slaps KyleXY around a bit with a large cactus
01:17<KyleXY>just making sure
01:18<@Perihelion>It's an alias
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01:21<praetorian>ak47surve: using caching? otherwise each hit to wordpress is to the database.
01:22<praetorian>you should look at wp super cache or whatever its called
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01:29<pharaun_ipad_>like I said config issue :)
01:38<ttaylor>heckman: PM?
01:38<praetorian>pharaun_ipad_: no of course the issue was apache!!!11oneone.
01:38<@heckman>I charge $5.00 a minute ttaylor, so don't think about getting frisky.
01:38<praetorian>USD? that's not worth much
01:38<ttaylor>I wouldn't thing of it
01:39<praetorian>other way around
01:39<ttaylor>long day!
01:39<ttaylor>or is it day long?
01:39<praetorian>raptured soon, dont worry
01:39*heckman awaits the PM
01:40<Kyhwana>can we get pro-rated the rest of the month for the rapture?
01:41<praetorian>i think next door just got a drum kit.
01:42<praetorian>chesty: surprised that isnt registered
01:42<praetorian>or has something on it
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01:48<chesty> seems to be a serious site
01:49<@heckman>I mean, if you want to be saved during the rapture buy me the laptop that's on woot right now:
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01:50<Jerub>heckman: i want the lenovo x1
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01:56<BarkariII>and the room goes silent as 6pm approaches new zealand...
01:57<pharaun_ipad_>count down... now!
01:57<BarkariII>or maybe it's just cause it's the middle of the night for most of #linode
01:57<dr_jkl>i'm awake
01:58<BarkariII>I'm annoyed that the news channel just has paid programming
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02:03<BarkariII>the world could be falling apart and they'd be selling their hair restoration procedure
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02:04<Peng>BarkariII: Well, maybe heaven doesn't let you improve your hair.
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02:13<Kyhwana>no rapture here
02:14<pharaun_ipad_>u in nz
02:18<BarkariII>not even an earthquake?
02:20<BarkariII>maybe the person who updates the chart got raptured
02:22<Kyhwana>it's automatic
02:23<Peng>Maybe the AI got raptured?
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02:27<BarkariII>it was a good AI
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02:59<graq>I saw a seesaw by the sea shore
03:03<chesty>Kyhwana: are you maori?
03:09<chesty>just wondering where your nick came from, sounds islandish to me
03:10<Kyhwana>nah, I just made it up
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03:51<Internat>anyone happen to know a way to record a stream from ustream?
03:53<Cyberian>leenodah eh
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04:07<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
04:08<Peng>Topher: Hello.
04:08<Topher>Hey Peng. I'm a noob at the chat.
04:08<Peng>Are you a noob at the Linode? D
04:09<Topher>Eh, been here several months, and must I say, I am a REFORMED GoDaddy user.
04:09<Topher>I will never go back.
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04:09<teadict>I am
04:09<teadict>I am noobing
04:10<Topher>Welcome Teadict
04:10<randomuser>Why do I suspect something has gone horribly wrong >.>
04:10<teadict>I was already welcomed
04:11<dcraig>because it's rapture day
04:11<teadict>not yet
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04:11<randomuser>So is Fremont having issues or am I just lucky? XD
04:11<dcraig>what's your issue?
04:12<randomuser>Nevermind must have been browser cache
04:12<randomuser>It looked like the last 30min of the graph was gone
04:12<randomuser>and it was down so. XD
04:13<dcraig>seems ok to me
04:13<randomuser>Sorry Hoggs
04:13<randomuser>Its just the first time it wasn't a DC issue that I've had to restart my VM >.>
04:13<randomuser>I should stop assuming things. XD
04:14<Hoggs>were the fremont issues 14 days ago?
04:15<Hoggs>my linode rebooted 14 days ago for no clear reason..
04:15<randomuser>That would be 'Yes'
04:15<Topher>balls indeed.
04:15<randomuser>Balls indeed.
04:15<Hoggs>I'm a terrible sysadmin, I should have noticed this
04:15<Topher>really....randomuser is copying me!?!
04:16<randomuser>Its ok Hoggs.
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04:16<randomuser>You don't have people IMing you complaining.
04:16<randomuser>I forgive you.
04:16<Topher>I forgive you
04:16<randomuser>You missed the period.
04:16<randomuser>You failed me Topher.
04:17<Hoggs>Interesting, I have a lot of my users on IM
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04:18<randomuser>Dunno what to tell you my friend
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04:19<Hoggs>I guess they don't care about the site as much as I do.
04:19<randomuser>I care about your site Hoggs.
04:20<randomuser>No clue what it is but I care :D
04:20<Hoggs>sysadmins unite
04:21<Topher>Later group. I got troubleshooting to do.
04:22<randomuser>I'm not really a sysadmin tho.
04:22<randomuser>I just pretend.
04:22<randomuser>Bye Topher
04:22<Topher>See ya RandomUser
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04:22<Hoggs>That's okay, we all just pretend
04:23<Hoggs>all we actually do is use google
04:23<randomuser>I thought I was alone.
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04:23<randomuser>You too?
04:23<randomuser>I guess I'm a real sysadmin then.
04:24<randomuser>I joked with a friend about how my mail server setup followed a guide.
04:24<randomuser>He was like 'Y'know, some of these files are just like this guide I googled when I couldn't figure out what was wrong...'
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04:28<thelongmile>Having a problem applying a patch, iptables fix, found it on the forum for the centos 5.6 iptables paravit issue thingy,
04:28<priyesh>is linode going to be accepting Google Checkout anytime soon?
04:28<thelongmile>Keep getting the message 'only garbage in the patch file'
04:28<@heckman>priyesh: No plans to accept it.
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04:29<priyesh>heckman: do you charge in USD? or would you charge in the local currency? ie. GBP
04:29<thelongmile>I take it I'm doing it wrong, here's the patch link and the instructions on the forum (here ) were to copy and paste the contents. So, what have I done stupidly wrong this time?
04:29<thelongmile>hehe they charge in dollars, works out brilliant for me because of the exchange rage
04:29<@heckman>priyesh: We only accept payments in USD
04:30<priyesh>that would come under international for me and therefore an extra charge :O
04:30<thelongmile>Change banks?
04:30<thelongmile>Linode bill my credit card, so no overseas transaction fee
04:30<thelongmile>thats usually the case with most banks, Clydesdale are usually the exception
04:31<thelongmile>Hi I'm Mark, I spent 2 years working at a bank as a specialist. :P
04:31*teadict elky yeah I would ignore me too.. so long elky
04:31<priyesh>i shall have to consider that :)
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04:31<thelongmile>yeah, I left because of all of the stupid bonus crappy stuff and the downfall great depression colour sentance forming no go
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04:36<thelongmile>any ideas on this kernel patch please?
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04:52<linbot>New news from forums: IP Tables Error in Linux Networking <>
04:53<thelongmile>fyi got it to run, was missing two @@ symbols, but still had a failure, really hoping someone could help
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05:36<priyesh>hi, what basic things should i be doing to harden a server?
05:37<thelongmile>Change the SSH port, disable root login over SSH
05:38<thelongmile>change the ssh port to something like 3097 or something that isn't going to be used
05:38<thelongmile>disable root login, then either only login via LISH when you want to use root, or you create a user, then add it to a sudoers file
05:39<thelongmile>if if you're really paranoid, disable SSH entirely and use the LiSH shell, if you suddenly find you need SSH, turn it back on
05:40<thelongmile>I generally block port 3306 as well since I don't use MySQL remotely
05:40<priyesh>thelongmile: how do you go about blocking 3306? iptables?
05:41<thelongmile>mysql has remote turned off anyway so this is more or less redundant
05:41<thelongmile>in my case
05:41<thelongmile>but just in case someone finds a remote exploit
05:42<thelongmile>iptables -A INPUT -s --dport 3306 -j DROP
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05:47<erik`>i think someone posted a blog post earlier here, about a company that has a bot in their network that randomly breaks stuff, so that they know their failovers and stuff always work
05:47<erik`>oh, nm:
05:49<thelongmile>now... I like this
05:49<thelongmile>but, I also like overloading something to see where it falls over
05:49<thelongmile>but which is better.....
05:49<thelongmile>there's only one way to find out.... FIIIIIIIIIGHHHT
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05:55<ryankan1_>Is this a good package for a CCNA lab?
05:55<erik`>ccna :'(
05:56<erik`>"you can only connect to the internet if you have a web browser"
05:56<erik`>"a network card contains a graphical processing unit, and memory for that GPU"
05:57<ryankan1_>well I have to start somewhere ;P
05:57<ryankan1_>erik`: You seem to know it well enough ... Can you check this package as well and maybe offer some insight?
05:57<thelongmile>It's not bad, that
05:58<thelongmile>noisy mind
05:58<thelongmile>but otherwise not bad at all
05:58<ryankan1_>I think I know most of the stuff in CCNA but I ahvent sit for the exams so I do plan to go all the way to CCIE:RS
05:59<ryankan1_>So would appreciate an honest opinion on which will bring me further
05:59<erik`>i've done it a long time ago, and didn't even go for the exam
06:00<erik`>so, don't remember about equipment
06:00<erik`>i've tried hard to forget the stuff they tried to teach me about serial IP over ISDN lines :(
06:01<erik`>i told them about those two quotes, their response was basically "you're a student, fuck off"
06:01<thelongmile>Sounds like Cisco
06:01<thelongmile>erik`: so, to them, SSH is a web browser right?
06:02<erik`>must be
06:02<erik`>or ssh does not use the internet
06:02<thelongmile>Cisco, No have internetz
06:02<thelongmile>I'd hate to see what they think of our satellite network setup....
06:02<thelongmile>cause technically it's SCP...... (You really do NOT want to know)
06:03<erik`>that doesn't even use wires!
06:03<erik`>so, in ccna, it can't exist
06:03<erik`>neither does ipv6, btw :)
06:03<thelongmile>AHHH That explains EVERYTHING
06:03<erik`>they do still cover classful addressing for those feeling nostalgic
06:04<thelongmile>I wondered why iOS looked at me funny when I tried to give it an ipv6 address....
06:04<erik`>ios does ipv6
06:04<erik`>other ios
06:04<thelongmile>no no, ios
06:04<thelongmile>it looked at me funny
06:04<thelongmile>took it
06:04<thelongmile>..hesitated quite a bit...
06:05<thelongmile>I think it just sorta.... 'gave in' after a bit, it REALLY wanted an IPV4 address, you could see the log, arp arp arp arp......
06:08<@heckman>So it was impersonating a seal?
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06:09<Peng>Wait. Once Dallas gets IPv6, I won't be able to whine about it anymore. So shouldn't I whine about it as much as I can in the time I have left? :D
06:09*Peng gets stabbed
06:10<thelongmile>sorted the firewall issue, thought "sod it" and manually edited the file
06:10<thelongmile>Peng: are you IN dallas or just where the server is hosted
06:10<thelongmile>I'm still trying to get my head around ipv6
06:11*heckman inches away
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06:11<thelongmile>inches away?
06:11<thelongmile>oh i see
06:12<@Praefectus>Peng: the longer you whine about it, the longer we put it off :D
06:12<thelongmile>See, I thought IPv6 was 2001:ODBC etc etc instead, linux, fe80::fcfd:adff:feff:e38c/64 damn you linux
06:13<thelongmile>double colons confuse me
06:13<thelongmile>it's an ipv4 mapped ipv6 address...
06:14<thelongmile>i didn't even know that existed
06:14<Peng>Praefectus: I enjoy anticipation.
06:15<Peng>thelongmile: That's not an IPv4-mapped IPv6 address. ::ffff: is.
06:15<Peng>thelongmile: Double-colons can replace two or more groups of 16 zero bits. E.g. 2001:db8:0:0:0:0:0:1 can be represented as 2001:db8::1.
06:16<Peng>thelongmile: s/replace/replace a run of/
06:16<thelongmile>Ahhh I did not know the double colon could replace the zeros
06:17<@heckman>That's what it does AFAIK. Also, can only have one double-colon per address.
06:17<Peng>Right. Otherwise it would be ambiguous.
06:17<thelongmile>makes sense
06:17<@heckman>Also, sucks if your IPv6 address has no 0s. :P
06:18<@heckman>CTRL + C && CTRL + V FTW!!!!
06:18<thelongmile>fe80::fcfd:adff:feff:e38c/64 <<< it has ONE zero...
06:18<thelongmile>go team
06:18<Peng>Poor 2001:470:0:181::2, forced to expose one of its zeros.
06:19<Peng>Yes, she supports the team.
06:19*thelongmile happy slaps mikegrb
06:19<@heckman>He'll taze you...
06:19<@heckman>And I mean that literally.
06:19<thelongmile>Don't taze me bro?
06:19<Peng>That just makes him taze you twice.
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06:20<StErMi>hi all :)
06:21<StErMi>is linode ram Reserved and guaranteed?
06:21<Peng>StErMi: Yes.
06:21<StErMi>ok :)
06:21<Peng>Linode is not some scummy VZ host. :P
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06:21<StErMi>it's better to ask :) it's my first time in VPS
06:22<StErMi>also, Transfer is only on GB or can we ask for flat?
06:22<StErMi>I mean, someone offert flat or Transfer GB
06:22<Peng>What, like flat-rate 5 Mbps or something?
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06:23<@Praefectus>transfer is by GB only
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06:24<StErMi>and how many mbits?
06:24<Peng>StErMi: 50 out, whatever-the-network-can-handle in.
06:24<Peng>StErMi: And you can get that raised if you need it. Obviously this could get expensive, though. :P
06:24<@Praefectus>if you're hitting the 50Mbps limit you can send a ticket in
06:25<StErMi>get it :)
06:25<StErMi>Well I think that if I hit that I can raise my plan :)
06:25<Peng>The 50 Mbps brake is on all plans.
06:25<@Praefectus>the 50Mbps limit is on all plans
06:25<Peng>And you can get it raised on all plans.
06:26<StErMi>last 2 questions: is there an optimized configuration for your VPS ? Customer service is based on DC location?
06:26<the|Navigator>StErMi: I'm pretty sure there are stackscripts for the job
06:27<Peng>StErMi: What do you mean by "optimized configuration"? You are free to optimize stuff however you want.
06:27<Peng>StErMi: And what do you mean about customer service?
06:27<the|Navigator>Peng: I assumed StErMi meant an out of the box best cofig
06:28<StErMi>and I mean if I have a problem your support center is baed on DC or you have only 1 in us?
06:28<Peng>StErMi: Why does that matter?
06:28<Peng>Erk, that "o" was a typo
06:29<the|Navigator>This IRC is open to people from any data center, StErMi.
06:29<StErMi>when here (it) it's day in usa it's night :D
06:29<the|Navigator>And also tickets are available regardless
06:29<Peng>Except for London. Those snobs.
06:29<Peng>They can hang out in #linode-snobs
06:29<the|Navigator>Peng: Should I leave, then?
06:29<StErMi>k :)
06:29<@heckman>lmatos made toaster strudels and they smell so good. :(
06:30<@heckman>I may need to make a Dunkin Donuts run for a bagel or something.
06:30<the|Navigator>I love my linoe, I wish I could go to london and hug it.
06:30<Internat>one of these days ill investigate this ipv6 hype that everyone keeps going on about
06:30<Peng>StErMi: You should know that Linode is an unmanaged service. They're only responsible for making the hardware work; if PHP breaks, you're on your own. However, if they have free time they may provide advice anyway, and this channel will too.
06:30<Peng>StErMi: s/this channel/the community in this channel/
06:31<the|Navigator>It's my first VPS with a <20ms ping, since all other providers that I've used/left have been US only
06:31<StErMi>k :)
06:31<Peng>the|Navigator: Nice.
06:31<priyesh>is the London DC the best choice for those who have customers/visitors all over the world
06:31<the|Navigator>Peng: I assume that's a benefit of fibreoptic internet and only about 200mi to london from here
06:32<Peng>I'm in the US. It's so spread out -- and the infrastructure generally sucky enough -- that there's very little within 20 ms of me.
06:32<Peng>priyesh: Only if "all over the world" means "Europe".
06:32<the|Navigator>We have fibre to the cabinet, but we can see the cabinet so it doesn't get a chance to degrate over copper
06:32<the|Navigator>it's a super cheap fibre to the home, essentially
06:33<priyesh>Peng: what would you do if you have visitors based 'all over the world'
06:33<priyesh>1 linode
06:33<StErMi>is there some big difference in ms from usa or eu (london) ?
06:33<the|Navigator>StErMi: Depends on the location of the visitor
06:33<the|Navigator>StErMi: Most US sites have a 150ms ping for me
06:33<Internat>until you live in aus, quit your whinging about latency :P
06:33<Internat>im lucky to see under 200 for anything international
06:34<StErMi>k :)
06:34<the|Navigator>It's a real shame Linode has nothing asian
06:34<the|Navigator>I mean, a small us, uk and asia linode would be pretty distributed to route people to the best one
06:34<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
06:35<Peng>Oh wow, there's actually a VPS provider 16 ms from me!
06:35<linbot>Internat: [mtr] 11 hops, te3-1-border76-01.lon2.telec: 20.0%/1.1ms, 60.0%/64.3ms, bri-sot-wic-csw2-tengi-4-2.t: 20.0%/313.5ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.: 20.0%/335.8ms (urmom)
06:35<the|Navigator>Peng: There is?
06:35<the|Navigator>Internat: I get the same from my london linode - 337ms to that.
06:35<Peng>the|Navigator: AIUI, the best location for Asia in general is California.
06:36<Internat>yeah im in au.. thats why my pings suck
06:36<the|Navigator>Peng: What about IN asia. That'd be better.
06:36<Peng>the|Navigator: Only for the country it's located in. Everybody else probably routes through California.
06:37<the|Navigator>I will not rest until I have campaigned for linode to have a DC in EVERY country!
06:38<the|Navigator>Uh, scratch that, I must rest right now to go watch the F1 qualifying.
06:38<Peng>Anyway, yes, 16 ms! \o/ I'm in Orlando, FL. Most stuff is Dallas, or Atlanta, or Ashburn, which are all pretty far away, but there's at least one VPS provider in Miami.
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06:40<Peng>Even if Linode had a location in Miami, I wouldn't want a VPS in a corner of the US and even more exposed to hurricanes than I am, though.
06:41<the|Navigator>Peng: Brings a whole new meaning to 'Cloud' computing. "Where's your VPS?" "You see that cloud? It flew through that 20 minutes ago."
06:42<the|Navigator>Ooh, it's nearly IPv6 day
06:42<the|Navigator>I'm so excited.
06:42<the|Navigator>Jun 8.
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06:43<Peng>Actually Webbynode was the Miami provider I was referring to. :P
06:43<the|Navigator>The sign of a good IPv6 day is the exact same sign as the Technician at my old school told me was the best sign when virtualising. "If nobody notices, you've done a good job."
06:43<the|Navigator>(referring to not introducing any more bugs)
06:44<WantsToSwapFromWebbynodeVPS>Peng: Webbynode sucks.
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06:44<@heckman>So apparently HE is going to try to get me my SAGE T-Shirt before IPv6 day
06:45<thelongmile>Damn openvpn
06:45<Peng>I swear this is not pestering or whining, but I wonder how close Dallas will cut it to IPv6 day.
06:45<thelongmile>why can't I get pptp or ipsec as simple as openvpn
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06:45<LightningNode>Woah, Peng - you're in 6Sync chat as well?
06:45<Peng>LightningNode: I'm everywhere.
06:45<Peng>LightningNode: I'm in #webbynode too. I think.
06:45<the|Navigator>Peng is omnipresent
06:46<LightningNode>So am I..
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06:46<LightningNode>Due to Colloquy
06:46<the|Navigator>Aah, peng is an indicator of the rapture!
06:46<thelongmile>wait, again, are you actually in dallas yourself? if so, will you please go and pee in the fountain next to the mustangs?
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06:46<Peng>thelongmile: My node is in Dallas. I am not.
06:46<LightningNode>Well, I'm
06:46<LightningNode>Going to go 6Sync
06:46<LightningNode>1 Month, try it out..
06:46<Peng>LightningNode: Not Linode?
06:47<LightningNode>More expensive, convince me.
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06:47<Peng>LightningStricken: Linode is $0.05 cheaper.
06:48<Peng>LightningStricken: For the same plans, at least.
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06:48<the|Navigator>Yay, I got some McDonalds coupons in the newspaper today!
06:48<the|Navigator>Double cheeseburger + Large fries for £1.99. I'll be there on Monday to redeem that one, I think.
06:48<thelongmile>linode is 4 cpu....
06:48<LightningStricken>4 CPU for lowest plan?
06:48<thelongmile>i have a 512 to test on
06:49<thelongmile>it's 4 cpu
06:49<the|Navigator>Every plan has 4 CPU.
06:49<LightningStricken>I live in cheap.
06:49<the|Navigator>ANd a very nice amount of burst, too.
06:49<thelongmile>guaranteed RAM
06:49<thelongmile>Soft Caps on bandwidth
06:49<thelongmile>see, 4 cpu
06:50<priyesh>thelongmile: root!
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06:50<thelongmile>priyesh: yes?
06:50*heckman adds a note to thelongmile's picture
06:50<@heckman>Too bad I need to log in to save it. Effort
06:51<@heckman>"urmom likes htop"
06:51<thelongmile>priyesh: it's the development one
06:51<thelongmile>if it get's hacked, the most I'll loose is a text file
06:51<thelongmile>that note appears to have saved anywya
06:51<the|Navigator>ooh, java
06:51*heckman runs everything as root
06:51<thelongmile>thought I'd just try it out
06:52<LightningStricken>When I said 'nice', you showed we a program called 'nice'?
06:52<thelongmile>on a 512 BABHAHAH
06:52<thelongmile>no, the program is called htop
06:52<the|Navigator>LightningStricken: No, that's htop
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06:52<thelongmile>there's a package called Nice, I can install that for you if you want?
06:52<thelongmile>i'd have to install perl as well...
06:52<thelongmile>this involves effort
06:53<the|Navigator>thelongmile: Pushing F7 and F8 decrease and increase your levels of nice
06:53<the|Navigator>thelongmile: As per the screenshot
06:53<LightningStricken>Heh, no.
06:53<the|Navigator>And F9...
06:53<the|Navigator>Puts you in jail.
06:53<thelongmile>oh, yes that, sorry, forgot about that
06:53<LightningStricken>apt-get install perl nice - horrible compilers etc..?
06:53<the|Navigator>And sets your nice back to 0.
06:53<LightningStricken>Anyway, (Deadpan)
06:54<the|Navigator>You 'kill'ed my pan?
06:54<thelongmile>LightningStricken: linode offer you an equivalent of an IP KVM called LISH, it's an SSH shell but is essentially the same as a KVM, you have about as much control as you get with a physical machine
06:54<the|Navigator>Lish is outstanding
06:55<thelongmile>especially when you accidentally SCP an entire disk image to it....
06:55<the|Navigator>I mean, on my other hosts, I had a javascript thing that was infuriating to use...
06:55<thelongmile>and then download it with your server shut down
06:55<the|Navigator>On this one, you can use SSH to do it instead
06:55<Peng>the|Navigator: Linode provides the JavaScript thing too!
06:55<thelongmile>Can't say I'm a fan of the AJAX console but thats because it's never QUITE right for me
06:55<the|Navigator>Peng: Yes, but there's an alternative
06:55<thelongmile>what's a ternative?
06:55<the|Navigator>Peng: That's the good bit.
06:55<@heckman>The Ajaxterm is okay in Firefox.
06:56<thelongmile>You said yes theres anal
06:56<@heckman>Lish via SSH is the awesomesauce tho.
06:56<thelongmile>whats a ternative?
06:56<thelongmile>heckman: except backspace doesen't work, only delete
06:56<LightningStricken>Heh, I'm PuTTY all the way.
06:56<thelongmile>mac << I suck
06:56<the|Navigator>thelongmile: I could tell you, but I'd have to verify you were 18 first.
06:56<LightningStricken>With a side dish of WinSCP for flavour.
06:56<thelongmile>the|Navigator: DOH
06:56<@heckman>thelongmile: works for me on OS X / Ubuntu / Windows.
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06:57<@heckman>LightningStricken: ever try the fork of PuTTy called KiTTy?
06:57<the|Navigator>Wow, I've never seen freshmilk's host before
06:57<the|Navigator>THe person who just left.
06:57<@heckman>Ajaxterm is kinda brokesauce on Google Chrome tho. Not sure what's up with Google and working with it.
06:58<the|Navigator>the 4 letters before .cable. are a shortening of the location of the data centre. I can't think where in the UK 'aztw' is.
06:58<the|Navigator>It's UK only.
06:58<the|Navigator>Mine has 'newt' in because the data center is in 'newton abbot, devon' and 'croy' means 'croydon, london'
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06:58<thelongmile>LightningStricken: the other good thing about linode is the hard drives aren't set up in some wierd way, it's dev/xvda xvdb
06:59<thelongmile>not like some other people who insist on some REALLY wierd device structure
06:59<thelongmile>they also offer a recovery console using finnix
06:59<thelongmile>which is nice
06:59<HooversAreScary>Finnix, I must have.
06:59<thelongmile>internal IP structure as well
07:00<thelongmile>so if you get two linodes, you can use an internal IP, so you don't have to use your bandwidth cap
07:00<the|Navigator>ah, aztw is 'Aztec West', a business park in Bristol
07:00<thelongmile>the|Navigator: Hm, does mine show up?>
07:00<HooversAreScary>Can I load in ISOs?
07:00<@heckman>Adding on to that. If your two Linodes are in the same facility IPv6 is automatically considered private traffic
07:00<thelongmile>You can't but you can upload them HooversAreScary
07:00<@heckman>thelongmile: hostname didn't resolve for you.
07:01<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: theress a guide in to uploading a cusotm image, build a system in virtualbox, upload via finnix
07:01<thelongmile>heckman: what host did it have?
07:01<thelongmile>Colloqy sucks clearly
07:01<the|Navigator>thelongmile: Just IP
07:01<thelongmile>BT Global fibre, 30 meg bilateral
07:01<@heckman>The IRC server was not able to resolve a host.
07:01<thelongmile>30 meg up, 30 meg down
07:01<thelongmile>30 meg up is wicket
07:02<linbot>Peng: The query name does not exist.
07:02<the|Navigator>I wonder when linode will feel compelled to bump paravirt kernel.
07:02<thelongmile>so many problems
07:02<thelongmile>but centos, annoyingly
07:02<thelongmile>requres the 2.6
07:02<thelongmile>Hence why I'm having so many issues on the latest version of centos
07:02<the|Navigator>Mainline is now 2.6.39 as of 19/May
07:02<Peng>the|Navigator: It's been two days...
07:03<HooversAreScary>Why doesn't Linode host it's own IRC server?
07:03<Peng>HooversAreScary: Why should it?
07:03<thelongmile>why bother?
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07:03<thelongmile>it can if it wants
07:03<Peng>Linode actually hosts several OFTC servers.
07:03<thelongmile>FSIRC is entirely hosted on linode, 13 servers in all
07:04<the|Navigator>I just walked into the kitchen and found a pile of rock (the food) on the work surface, with the word MATTHEW running through it. Nobody in this household is called matthew. I'm confused.
07:04<Peng>thelongmile: Wow
07:04<thelongmile>the|Navigator: thats....
07:04<thelongmile>Peng: hm?
07:04<HooversAreScary>I'm called Matthew.
07:04<Peng>thelongmile: A 13 server IRC network all on Linode.
07:04<Peng>HooversAreScary: Me too.
07:05<@heckman>I am the pseudoviking...
07:05<thelongmile>Peng: It was 13 at last count... it also only had about 60 active users at last count...
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07:05<StErMi>back :)
07:05<thelongmile>welcome back
07:05<Peng>OK everyone, back in formation!
07:05<the|Navigator>Peng: But they didn't bump to .5 or .6 either.
07:06<Peng>the|Navigator: Maybe they're waiting for >= 2.6.33 to stop sucking.
07:06<StErMi>with another question :) I'm used to use linux (ubuntu) and I know how to admin my local server but I want to be sure about VPS (production server)
07:06<Peng>StErMi: It's exactly the same.
07:06<StErMi>ubuntu / debian are good one?
07:06<the|Navigator>Peng: I seem to recall one of those had a CVE associated with it as well
07:06<HooversAreScary>In Linode
07:06<StErMi>for security / perofamance
07:07<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: If you want a good technical jobby, someone has actually uploaded Microsoft Windows to one of their linodes
07:07<thelongmile>don't ask me how, I don't know
07:07<thelongmile>well, I think i know actually
07:07<StErMi>I prefear to stay on ubuntu because atm i'm very comfortable with it
07:07<HooversAreScary>thelongmile: Wow.
07:07<the|Navigator>I'm happier on debian
07:07<HooversAreScary>Windows Server sucks.
07:07<Peng>the|Navigator: Probably a lot of CVEs.
07:07<thelongmile>the|Navigator: me too, since it's ubuntu just without the additional packages
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07:07<the|Navigator>I find it about halfway between centos and ubuntu
07:08<the|Navigator>stable but newer, often
07:08<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: I agree, but I think they did it just for a well, test
07:08<@heckman>In #linode every day is Debian appreciation day. :)
07:08<HooversAreScary>Ubuntu Server - Always.
07:08<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: why ?
07:08<the|Navigator>HooversAreScary: Get out! You have no place here!
07:08<thelongmile>ubuntu server - ubuntu bloatware
07:08<Peng>heckman: Except for 2008-05.
07:08<thelongmile>ubuntu server apt-remove ubuntu bloatware = debian?
07:08<@heckman>Peng: remind me again, OpenSSL?
07:08<Peng>Hey, it's been 3 years! Wow.
07:08<Peng>heckman: Yeah.
07:08<HooversAreScary>I must switch.
07:09<Peng>It so does not feel like 3 years.
07:09<StErMi>which are main difference for security / performance / support between debian and ubuntu?
07:09<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: you do know he was kdiding right?
07:09<HooversAreScary>I know.
07:09<StErMi>i'm using linux since 4/5 years but I always use ubuntu
07:09<HooversAreScary>I wasn't born in a raincloud.
07:09<StErMi>(or archlinux :D but very instable )
07:09<thelongmile>ah now, I THINK ubuntu has slightly better support owing to the forum, but debian is the basis for ubuntu so it's... well documented
07:09<@heckman>I use Ubuntu for my desktop/netbook because I like bleeding edge stuff. Also, Ubuntu keeps me on my toes by eating itself.
07:09<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: I was... floaty floaty cloud SQUIRREL
07:10<thelongmile>heckman: ....Gentoo?
07:10<@heckman>If you're new to Linux I say go with Ubuntu. It's close to Debian, and thelongmile is correct that they community is pretty awesome.
07:10<thelongmile>hehehe gentoo
07:10<@heckman>thelongmile: I like my sanity.
07:10<StErMi>I mean I want security and performance for my VPS
07:10<HooversAreScary>Gentoo, who the hell likes Gentoo?
07:10<thelongmile>heckman: lol yes
07:10<StErMi>so I can study and switch to debian
07:10<@heckman>thelongmile: Also, I've observed Gentoo OOM a Linode 512 by emerging --deep world (at first boot)
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07:10<thelongmile>Well, for... ultimate security Gentoo is it since it's about a raw as you get, but as heckman says, you'll pull your hair out
07:11<thelongmile>heckman: you're kidding me, how long did that take?
07:11<@heckman>I don't recall. But the look on my face must have been priceless when I heard about it. I was not the person doing the key pushing for the oomage.
07:11<thelongmile>they.... they knew, right?
07:11<HooversAreScary>I hate the Ubuntu Server installer, glad I know longer have to deal with it.
07:11<thelongmile>that guy must have been up for days
07:12<@heckman>It was someone in the office.
07:12<thelongmile>when did they leave?
07:12<thelongmile>and how big was their beard?
07:13<thelongmile>damn you openvpn
07:13<StErMi>hoovers what do you use?
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07:13<HooversAreScary>Virtual Servers, no more dealing with it.
07:14<HooversAreScary>Or a gateway, just to avoid it. ClearOS then remove the components..
07:14<HooversAreScary>Something like that..
07:14<thelongmile>HooversAreScary: here's a list of prebuilt linodes you can get
07:15<thelongmile>heyyyy why isn't centos 5.5 in the older distros link?!
07:15<HooversAreScary>Anything else?
07:15<thelongmile>anything you want to upload
07:15<thelongmile>but those are the pre build 30 second install things
07:16<thelongmile>just, click and go really
07:16<HooversAreScary>A ISO of mass destruction?
07:16<HooversAreScary>Or, building a Eucalyptus Cloud on Linode.
07:16*thelongmile is confused
07:16<linbot>New news from forums: Debian or Ubuntu in General Discussion <>
07:16*thelongmile scratches head
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07:17<thelongmile>SAVE ME
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07:18<HooversAreScary>What was the alternative tab switcher for Mobile Safari?!
07:18<thelongmile>I might go and nuke a bowl of soup whilst I decide what to do about this vpn situation
07:18<thelongmile>also, in work, not doing work, oh well
07:19<@heckman>StErMi: "What do you use and why?" Debian, the logo is easier to draw while drinking. :P
07:19<thelongmile>I should probably reboot this... 200 days uptime
07:19<Peng>thelongmile: Do you mean vpn or vps?
07:20<thelongmile>the paravit kernel is causing issues
07:20<thelongmile>and centos 5.6 is rather dependant on it, so i cant switch to the legacy one
07:21<HooversAreScary> is awesome.
07:22<thelongmile>pingdom for me
07:22<HooversAreScary>Pingability, I love it for 5 minute checks and simple reports via email.
07:22<thelongmile>hehe, look at the state of this price
07:23<thelongmile>24.99 a month for a 4GB disk and 15gb transfer
07:23<HooversAreScary>That company owns Pingabilitu
07:23<thelongmile>brb, soup time
07:24<Peng>thelongmile: Makes sense. They have servers in AU. ;-D
07:24<thelongmile>they have servers made of GOLD!?
07:24<thelongmile>#chemjoke fail
07:24<HooversAreScary>Darn, I created the room.
07:25<thelongmile>...soup, becons, brb\
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07:28<FrostedLight>#chemjoke Registered...
07:29<FrostedLight>#node Registered...
07:29*heckman researches alternatives to
07:30<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so old that when she was in school there was no history class! (789:10/5) [mmoru]
07:30<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so fat, she doesnt handle more than 2 gigs! (778:11/5) [mumor]
07:31<priyesh>what dedicated cpu does each linode get?
07:31<@heckman>priyesh: 4 cores
07:32<FrostedLight>I just registered #node and #chemjoke
07:32<priyesh>heckman: is there a specific GHz?
07:32<FrostedLight>I must has Linode
07:32<@heckman>The hardware across the fleet varies slightly. They around around the Intel Xeon 55xx series tho.
07:33<thelongmile>All supermicro if I remember correctly
07:33<priyesh>if i got a 512, is there a rough GHz I would get?
07:34<thelongmile>2.83 i think
07:34<@heckman>Here is the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo from one of my Linodes: model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz
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07:35<thelongmile>2.27 here
07:35<@heckman>I'm in no way saying that's the exact CPU you'll be getting however.
07:35<thelongmile>where the hell did get 2.83 from *goes to check dedicated*
07:35<GLaDOSDan>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz
07:35<thelongmile>hm, thats 2.67
07:36<thelongmile>thats' a point
07:36<priyesh>heckman: am I right in thinking that with XEN VPSes you get a fixed portion of the CPU which is burstable?
07:36<thelongmile>did anyone from linode actually go to any of these datacenters or did they just ship them the servers in a box and said 'Go install that for us'
07:36<@heckman>priyesh: All Linodes on the host must share the physical hardware. But you can access four cores at a time.
07:37<@heckman>You can use 100% CPU on four of the cores in the host machine. The graphs in the manager actually show you CPU usage on a scale of 0-400% because of this ability.
07:37<Peng>thelongmile: Both.
07:38<thelongmile>Peng: who could turn down a works paid trip to london eh?
07:38<thelongmile>thats a point
07:38<thelongmile>must try splunk
07:38<linbot>FrostedLight: urmom is so fat, even her jokes cant fly. (837:6/1) [murmo]
07:39<@heckman>Catch ya around FrostedLight
07:39<thelongmile>urmom is so fat her the space shuttle has to launch according to it's location?
07:40<thelongmile>Urmom is so fat, she's Adele
07:40<priyesh>also ... any chance for an android app?? or am i pushing it :P
07:40*thelongmile needs to stop reading wikipedia
07:41<thelongmile>well, that was lunch
07:43<thelongmile>ok openvpn, it's you, me, and a fist
07:43<@heckman>priyesh: I really don't know if there is one in the works or not.
07:44<priyesh>heckman: okay... let me know if you find out though :)
07:44<priyesh>anyone here with a linode 20GB? :P
07:44<@heckman>I would if I had the money? Why would I need 20GB of RAM? No idea.
07:44<thelongmile>I looked at it but couldn't justify the cost / bandwidth ratio
07:44<@heckman>My desktop at home only has six and I never get close to using all of that
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07:45<thelongmile>I think the closest we got was, well, our dedicated has 8gb ram, 1tb hard drive, unlimited bandwidth on a 100meg pipe, and thats about the same cost as the linode 8gb, so it's just... I guess a cost game
07:45<thelongmile>a shame as I would have loved to stay with linode
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07:46<priyesh>anyone know a Jan Souza?
07:47<thelongmile>how many physical hosts are there anyway?
07:50<priyesh>"Linode Android was created by Jan Souza and it's not affiliated with Linode, LLC."
07:51*thelongmile would kill to work for linode... stupid immigration
07:56<Peng>thelongmile: Linode has a lot of hosts. They don't release numbers, though it would be possible to count.
07:56<thelongmile>How would linode like to sponser a convention
07:57<thelongmile>wheres caker when you need him
07:57<thelongmile>Peng: I guess I could just start pinging the names one by one...
07:57<Peng>heckman: Don't ping; just do a DNS lookup. Probably.
07:57<Peng>Wow, dallas62 is still around. I imagine it's been replaced?
07:58<thelongmile>whats so significant about dallas62?
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07:59<Peng>thelongmile: I was on dallas62 once.
07:59<thelongmile>ah, i thought it had some famous history like explosions or something
07:59<thelongmile>anyone here played with mod_ruid2
07:59<thelongmile>like fast cgi just, much, much better
07:59<thelongmile>in terms of performance
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08:29<Titosemi>hi all
08:30<Titosemi>what would you install as mail server for multiple domains?
08:31<akerl>Titosemi: google apps
08:31<priyesh>can i cname to and still expect everything to work?
08:32<Peng>priyesh: If you're thinking of using it in NS records, I believe an NS is not allowed to point to a CNAME.
08:33<HoopyCat>Titosemi: postfix is decent for the SMTP end of things; not sure about the IMAP end of things, but there's a few articles in the library on it
08:33<Peng>Dovecot seems popular for IMAP.
08:33<Peng>And Courier, of course.
08:33<AlexC_>Dovecot is normally great for POP3(s) and IMAP(s) ... though my vote for Google Apps
08:34<priyesh>Peng: how can i use linode for my dns but hand out to customers?
08:34<HoopyCat>priyesh: if by "everything" you mean "able to point NS records at it", nope; pretty sure the same rule applies here as it does for MX
08:35<Titosemi>ok, thanks
08:35<Peng>priyesh: You pretty much can'.
08:35<Peng>priyesh: can't
08:35<GLaDOSDan>sure you can Peng
08:35<GLaDOSDan>with the API
08:35<GLaDOSDan>I don't know if that's against the TOS, but it should be possible
08:35<Peng>GLaDOSDan: How?
08:35<Internat>you just have to make sure that your points to the ip of
08:35<HoopyCat>RFC 2181 10.3, among others
08:36<priyesh>so is there a way i can set instead of with my domain registrar?
08:36*heckman stabby stabs
08:36<Peng>Internat: The problem with that is that Linode can change's IP at any time.
08:36<Internat>i know
08:36<Peng>priyesh: Sure, run your own DNS server.
08:36<Internat>but that doesnt mean tyou cant do it
08:36<GLaDOSDan>can you not use a CNAME?
08:36<FrostedLight>heckman: Still lookin'?
08:36<Peng>GLaDOSDan: You cannot use a CNAME.
08:36<GLaDOSDan>I don't really understand the question
08:36<HoopyCat>priyesh: have the registrar for add glue records for ns1, ns2, etc, pointing at the IP addresses of linode's nameservers, and then check on a very regular basis to ensure they're accurate
08:36<priyesh>Peng: but then I'll miss out on Linode's cool dns interface
08:36<Peng>priyesh: Oh, I didn't think about that.
08:37<@heckman>When first opening the app, uses about 50mb of RAM. But it leaks and becomes massive.
08:37<HoopyCat>priyesh: (also add A records in itself, to avoid ambiguity, as usual)
08:37<AlexC_>priyesh: why does it matter if you give them *
08:37<Peng>HoopyCat++ for the RFC
08:37<@heckman>Thunderbird uses about 130MB
08:37<Internat>youd only have to check the ips match as often as the ttl is.
08:37<priyesh>AlexC_: it just looks better to clients :D
08:37<akerl>heckman: That's why I use Sparrow. It's bitchin
08:37<@heckman>With no mail synced.
08:37<@heckman>akerl: on OS X?
08:37<GLaDOSDan>!rfc 2181
08:37<GLaDOSDan>really, no !rfc?
08:37<AlexC_>priyesh: do you think your clients are really going to care?
08:37<linbot>GLaDOSDan: RFC 2181: Clarifications to the DNS Specification. R. Elz, R. Bush. July 1997. (Updates RFC1034, RFC1035, RFC1123) (Updated by RFC4035, RFC2535, RFC4343, RFC4033, RFC4034, RFC5452) (Status: PROPOSED STANDARD) -
08:37<HoopyCat>Peng: this RFC is less of a "must not" and more of a "you should not, and here is why"
08:38<@heckman>"buy"? Meh
08:38<@heckman>Also akerl this is for work
08:38<AlexC_>priyesh: for your clients that have no idea about DNS, they wont have a clue either way. For those that do know, will know what is going on and can find other ways out that you're using Linode
08:38<AlexC_>so you'd gain nothing from it really, for the headache of doing it
08:38<Peng>HoopyCat: Hah, as if anything is concrete in DNS.
08:39<@heckman>dig +short A | xargs whois
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08:39<priyesh>which DNS servers do you guys recommend
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08:40<HoopyCat>priyesh: in another life, i use dnsmadeeasy, 'tho i kinda miss the linode dns manager a lot
08:40<@heckman>Is Linode DNS Manager not on the list?
08:40<priyesh>surely a CNAME to linode would work?
08:40<@heckman>Don't think registrars would accept a cname
08:41<@heckman>Against RFC even?
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08:41<Peng>priyesh: Surely a CNAME would not work.
08:41<HoopyCat>priyesh: due to the nature of DNS, CNAMEs are usable under very few circumstances
08:42<priyesh>are the IPs of liodes dns servers static
08:42<Peng>priyesh: No.
08:42<priyesh>so i can't setup A records to them?
08:42<HoopyCat>priyesh: they haven't changed since i've been using them, but they're only about as static as your linode's IP is
08:43<Peng>priyesh: You *can*, it just might come back and bite you. They do not change frequently, if ever, but there is no guarantee attached to that.
08:43<priyesh>i think A records to could do the trick
08:43<priyesh>i'd be sure to check weekly
08:43<priyesh>or even setup a cron job to check weekly
08:44<HoopyCat>priyesh: probably... just remember that if it does change, you MUST! update the glue, as well
08:44<priyesh>and email me if it find a change
08:44<thelongmile>anyone played with freeswan?
08:44<priyesh>dumb question: what exactly are Glue records?
08:44<HoopyCat>priyesh: (both the glue AND the RR in the zone itself)
08:44<Peng>On a different subject, what happens if my Linode's public IP receives a UDP packet from the Internet, with a spoofed 192.168.128/17 source address? Will it know it came in on the public interface, or could it cause a reflection into the private network?
08:44<akerl>priyesh: What's worse? your customers knowing that you use linode, which they can still find out very easily, or your customer's sites going down because you forget to update
08:44<HoopyCat>priyesh: uhhh....
08:44<Peng>(assuming I respond to the packet)
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08:45<Peng>Wait. It should know it came in on the public interface, from the destination address.
08:45<HoopyCat>priyesh: dig <--- they're the A records in the additional section of the response
08:45<Peng>But it would still reassure me if someone confirmed that.
08:46<@heckman>priyesh: You do realize someone can WHOIS the IP address that the site is hosted on and see that it's assigned to Linode?
08:46<priyesh>heckman: yes... i'm not trying to hide linode in any way
08:47<AlexC_>your clients wont give a crap if you give them * =)
08:48<akerl>priyesh: If you're not trying to hide the, what is the purpose?
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08:48<priyesh>partly just to learn, partly for branding
08:49<@heckman>akerl: don't think Sparrow is going to work for me. I have lots of folders at work.
08:49<@heckman>akerl: Also, GMail only?
08:49<akerl>It's any imap now I believe
08:50<@heckman>GMail only I think too, lol.
08:50<priyesh>what DNS servers would you guys recommend?
08:50<priyesh>alternative to BIND etc
08:50<@heckman>So you're going to run your own?
08:50<priyesh>not decided yet
08:51<priyesh>just ideas
08:51<@heckman>You'll need at least two Linodes to do that.
08:51<@heckman>Preferably in separate datacenters.
08:51<@heckman>I actually like BIND. Easy to use, stable, etc.
08:51<AlexC_>5 geologically spread out managed DNS servers ... vs 1 DNS server on self-hosted Linode. Hum
08:51<priyesh>AlexC_: this is more just to learn rather than for production
08:52<AlexC_>priyesh: fair enough :) PowerDNS is also quite nice
08:52<Peng>priyesh: I use NSD.
08:52<@heckman>NSD hated me
08:52<HoopyCat>i don't always run authorative nameservers, but when i do, i prefer to use nsd
08:52<@heckman>Or I was too dumb for it.
08:52<Peng>heckman: <3
08:53<HoopyCat>stay adequately redundant, my friends
08:55<@heckman>HoopyCat: that's for you
08:55<martin->nice one
08:55<@heckman>And yes
08:56<@heckman>My Linodes *ARE* tron & clu. :P
08:56<@heckman>Also, there is Flynn...
08:56<@psandin>NSD likes me heckman, don't know what you did exactly, but I'd say it falls in the catagory of "it wrong"
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08:57<priyesh>also... best naming practices for servers ?? :P
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08:57<HoopyCat>heckman: need some way to turn that into a docstring
08:58<akerl>priyesh: something unique, memorable, and fun
08:58<HoopyCat>priyesh: officially, RFC 1178, although it is a little dated in some respects. however, many of the suggestions are timeless
08:59<HoopyCat>RFC 2100 is also highly recommended
09:00<@heckman>And Peng is killing my twitter
09:00<Peng>heckman: That was my plan all along!
09:01*heckman still needs to find an awesome alternative
09:05<HoopyCat>'tho if you really want to get that promotion into management, use lpr for local delivery and then file folders and accordion files for storage
09:06<HoopyCat>need to forward a message? fax-to-email. need to reply to a message? call the sender
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09:12<chesty>if you want to be a real manager, have the secretary open your mail, print them out by hand, and sort them into folders for you
09:18<HoopyCat>"*click* Gladys, could you bring me the Male Enhancement file?" "Certainly, Mr. Eckman." *drawer open* *drawer close* *tap tap tap tap tap tap* *door open* *TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP* "Thank you, Gladys." "You're welcome, Mr. Eckman." *TAP TAP TAP TAP TAP* *door closes*...
09:19<HoopyCat>(my mind is radio drama)
09:20<@heckman>chesty: costs dolla dolla bills yo. Btw, I saw your gem last evening. Well played, sir!
09:20<linbot>New news from forums: More CPU / IO spikes.. in Performance and Tuning <>
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09:27<priyesh>if a linode crashes does it automatically restart
09:27<akerl>priyesh: If lassie is turned on
09:27<priyesh>(haven't got my linode yet) what's lassie
09:27<HoopyCat>it depends on how it crashes
09:28<akerl>It's an option in the manager that lets you restart your node if it goes down
09:28<the|Navigator>priyesh: But it will stop trying if it keeps dying on restart
09:28<priyesh>okay :)
09:28<HoopyCat>(esp. if "crashing" is defined as "not doing what it is supposed to")
09:29<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: yeah, it's a bit limited
09:29<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Or the host server falling over?
09:30<the|Navigator>Does linode keep backups for us if we don't pay for it, for the event of a fault that is their fault?
09:30<HoopyCat>host server reboots would be within the lassie penumbra; mysqld dying is not :-)
09:30<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: No.
09:31<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Hmph.
09:31<priyesh>what do you guys do in terms of backup up your nodes
09:31<the|Navigator>priyesh: I just rsync it to myself.
09:31<priyesh>how often?
09:32<the|Navigator>Whenever I make a critical change
09:32<HoopyCat>priyesh: linode's backup service for really bad full-restore situations, duplicity for single-file restores and/or really really bad bad off-site full restore situations
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09:33<priyesh>which directories need backing up? /etc, /home, /var, /srv ?
09:34<HoopyCat>priyesh: i usually just do the whole thing, excluding /dev and /proc and friends like that... i'm backing up to amazon S3, so there's no particular imperative to minimize the space used, and i'd rather back up too much stuff than not enough
09:35<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: How's the S3 bill?
09:35<priyesh>HoopyCat: does duplicity backup to S3?
09:35<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: i've got about 75 GB up there across everything, so about $15/mo or so
09:36<HoopyCat>priyesh: yep
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09:36<priyesh>is it easy to setup?
09:37<mshuler>very simple. I do weekly full backups and daily differentials to s3 and cloud files with duplicity - /me paranoid about data/service loss..
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09:37<priyesh>mshuler: does that not eat up your bandwidth ?
09:38<thelongmile>stupid open vpn
09:38<thelongmile>had it
09:38<thelongmile>kernel fail
09:38<thelongmile>and so on and so forth
09:38<thelongmile>how is everyone?
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09:39<@heckman>Fine. Our [ENTER] keys aren't angry with us.
09:40<thelongmile>sorry, yes, I'm a little hyperactive with that today for some reason.
09:40<the|Navigator>CNN says the pope is talking to people on the ISS
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09:40<thelongmile>Oh the poor sods
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09:40<the|Navigator>They thought they'd got to the one place he couldn't.
09:41<the|Navigator>"Don't forget to tell us when the rapture reaches you, okay? You're our early warning system.
09:41<guildchatter>Sorry to bother y'all, but is there anything going on with the Fremont datacenter? I can't SSH in
09:41<the|Navigator>Then we have 2 minutes to repent"
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09:41<@caker>guildchatter: ip?
09:41<thelongmile>as they watch a burning crater go across the world
09:41<thelongmile>OOh hello Caker
09:42<priyesh>caker: are the linode NS servers' IP addresses static?
09:42<@caker>guildchatter: it's responding to http and ssh from here just fine
09:42<linbot>caker: '<html>\n<body>\nHello World! =]\n</body>\n</html>\n'
09:43<HoopyCat>guildchatter: looks solidly reachable from here, and ssh is answering
09:43<guildchatter>guess there' something wrong with comcast
09:43<guildchatter>or something
09:43<guildchatter>well.. at least the site is up for you guys =]
09:43<the|Navigator>guildchatter: able to traceroute it?
09:43<@caker>priyesh: no - you can
09:43<guildchatter>let's see.. one sec =]
09:43<@caker>priyesh: no - you can't rely on them not ever changing
09:43<thelongmile>ssh is answering here
09:44<@caker>(although unlikely)
09:44<priyesh>ssh is answering here too
09:44<priyesh>caker: okay.. thanks
09:44<guildchatter>nah.. tracert isn't working
09:44<guildchatter>looks like something is blocking all the packets
09:44<guildchatter>even on the 1st/2nd hop
09:44<thelongmile>try a different DNS server for your own host
09:44<guildchatter>maybe i need to reboot my router
09:44<the|Navigator>thelongmile: If he's accessing it by IP how does DNS matter?
09:44<thelongmile>good point
09:45<guildchatter>ok.. sorry to trouble y'all
09:45<thelongmile>brain died clearly, Ummm, try a reboot of the router (god damn I'm being stupid)
09:45<the|Navigator>guildchatter: Are you on IRC from the same computer?
09:45<guildchatter>i'll go try to fix my own network
09:45<guildchatter>i have a working internet connection
09:45<the|Navigator>So it appears port specific. Interesting.
09:45<@heckman>the|Navigator: I had a router that would get antsy like that. Had an issue with establishing new connections somtimes.
09:45<guildchatter>i might just need to reboot the router
09:45<guildchatter>or see what crazy things my family has been up to
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09:46<guildchatter>thanks again for the help =]
09:46<guildchatter>have a wonderful Saturday
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09:46<the|Navigator>call up the IS and they'll say "Sorry, sir, we banned you form that port because we suspected illegal hacking activity."
09:48<thelongmile>Can you ssh the LISH?
09:48<the|Navigator>thelongmile: He's left.
09:48*thelongmile scratches head
09:48<HoopyCat>yeah baby
09:48<the|Navigator>no adult
09:48<thelongmile>wrong head HoopyCat
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09:49<the|Navigator>Aw, the pizzas left
09:50<thelongmile>I was about to say the same thing
09:50<the|Navigator>I was still hungry
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09:51<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: I just got around to installing munin again. Needs ~40 packages.
09:51<the|Navigator>So many packages...
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09:53<chesty>man, wordpress and it's absolute links, makes running both http and https impossible
09:54<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: which distro?
09:54<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Deb
09:54<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Debian
09:55<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: It's a lot of font-handling packages
09:55<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: ah, to put text on images.
09:55<the|Navigator>gasp, so much extra disk space
09:55<the|Navigator>"After this operation, 40.7 MB of additional disk space will be used."
09:56<HoopyCat>you're gonna need a second floppy drive
09:57<thelongmile>Dear openvpn I need a better error than 'could not start service'
09:57<praetorian>chesty: cant you make it do //foo
09:58<HoopyCat>check syslog; openvpn doesn't refer to itself as a service, afaik
09:59<thelongmile>I did
09:59<thelongmile>thats the best error it's given me all day
09:59<akerl>I'd check for some verbosity options
09:59<priyesh>anyone here have domains with ?
09:59<thelongmile>hehe web interface so thats a sure thing
10:01<thelongmile>*sigh* wasn't there an overall error log somehwere in centos?
10:02<HoopyCat>generally, logs for almost everything end up in /var/log
10:02<chesty>praetorian: not sure
10:03<thelongmile>HoopyCat: i thought as much
10:06<chesty>praetorian: nope, doesn't work
10:06<chesty>praetorian: it helpfully checks the url is valid and also saves adsolute urls in the db
10:08<praetorian>haha :(
10:08<HoopyCat>chesty: in a similar situation, i ended up fropscating the output; a middle layer replaces with if applicable
10:09<HoopyCat>chesty: this may or may not be possible in your situation
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10:11<chesty>HoopyCat: I was looking for a way to do it in nginx
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10:12<chesty>HoopyCat: what you did
10:12<courtland>Anyone having troube SSHing into their Linode on Fremont?
10:12<thelongmile>you're the second person to ask that today
10:13<thelongmile>but they didn't ahve any problems
10:13<thelongmile>where are you located?
10:13<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
10:13<thelongmile>ok, IP of the server?
10:13<HoopyCat>courtland: can you ssh into LISH?
10:14<courtland>hmm lemme try lish
10:14<thelongmile>nothing working here
10:14<akerl>courtland: unless you have a nonstandard ssh port configured, it looks like your sshd is dead
10:15<thelongmile>whats the host called?
10:15<courtland>yeah looks like i can ssh into LISH
10:15<akerl>courtland: If you look at top, you'll most likely see that sshd isn't running
10:15<the|Navigator>thelongmile: I assume it's 224?
10:16<courtland>okay ill check it out
10:16<thelongmile>how'd you guess that?
10:16<the|Navigator>from mtr.
10:16<the|Navigator>I bet it isn't, now XD
10:17<thelongmile>nodw i see
10:17<the|Navigator>thelongmile: I think the last two are the last two in the IP
10:17<HoopyCat>the IP addresses (and reverse DNS names) aren't related to which host a linode is on, btw
10:18<thelongmile>I've never used that before
10:18<HoopyCat>so it probably isn't fremont224
10:18<courtland>akerl: do you know the best way to restart SSH
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10:18<the|Navigator>courtland: LISH.
10:18<courtland>SSHD i mean
10:18<akerl>courtland: which distro?
10:19<courtland>ubuntu 10.04 LTS
10:19<HoopyCat>courtland: 'service sshd restart' or 'service ssh restart' or 'service openssh restart' (depending on what your distro calls it) will usually get it
10:19<thelongmile>just found that out, mine says lon10 even though i'm on london88
10:19<akerl> /etc/init.d/ssh restart (or start, if it's not running at all)
10:19<HoopyCat>courtland: 'service ssh restart
10:19<the|Navigator>thelongmile: It was only a guess.
10:19<thelongmile>decent mind :D
10:20<thelongmile>I do like my hop to my dedicated server mind
10:20<courtland>doesn't look to be working
10:20<courtland>can i just restart my linode?
10:20<ran>Hi, i have 1 GB mem on my linode, 255 MB on swap, currently my used swap is 133MB, is this too much?
10:20<akerl>That wouldn't help courtland
10:21<thelongmile>ran what are you running? you shouldn't really be using much if any swap
10:21<akerl>Does it offer any error when you try to start it? or in the logs?
10:21<courtland>it says * Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server sshd [ OK ]
10:21<courtland>and that's it
10:21<courtland>but sshd still doesn't appar in top and i can't ssh in
10:21<thelongmile>whats in your ssh.conf ? port number etc
10:22<akerl>courtland: can you pastebin your sshd_config
10:22<thelongmile>akerl: hehe great minds
10:22<HoopyCat>(for the really really curious, in, xxx is the internal identifier for the netblock for the IP; it's roughly the ipaddressip divided by 256 more or less
10:22<ran>rails app, mysql db, one delayed job that takes 90 mb mem
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10:22<courtland>port is 30000
10:22<ran>tweet_invitation: rails app, mysql db, one delayed job that takes 90 mb mem
10:22<HoopyCat>ran: it's not so much how much swap you're using, but how actively you're swapping
10:23<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Oh, wow.
10:23<HoopyCat>ran: 'vmstat 1' will print out what you're doing right now (si and so are swap in and swap out in blocks/second)
10:23<akerl>courtland: Out of curiousity, why are you putting ssh on such a crazy port
10:23<thelongmile>courtland: I can succesfully ssh to that port
10:23<thelongmile>no problems
10:23<HoopyCat>Connection to 30000 port [tcp/*] succeeded!
10:23<HoopyCat>SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.3p1 Debian-3ubuntu4
10:24<courtland>akerl: dunno set it up a long time ago following a guide somewhere
10:24<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: the followup question is, of course, "what the hell is IPAddressID"?
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10:24<akerl>When you ssh, are you manually stating the correct port?
10:24<akerl>And there really isn't much reason for such a crazy port number.
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10:25<thelongmile>agreed, 30000 is too easy to miss a digit on
10:25<chesty>cuts down on syslog spam though
10:25<HoopyCat>the cooling fan in my wiring closet is too easy to lose a digit on
10:25<chesty>and put it in ~/.ssh/config
10:26<akerl>chesty: Which is why I put mine on 20 :p it cuts down on spam, without the crazy high number
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10:26<ran>HoopyCat: since im a windows guy, those number dont say much to me, is 255 is enough for swap allocation? ive installed an external server monitoring and im getting alerts when the swap is using more then 120mb
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10:26<thelongmile>what was it someone said to me before
10:26<AlexC_>port 30000 for SSH?
10:26<courtland>yes when i ssh i specify the port
10:26<thelongmile>friends don't let friends use swap
10:26<courtland>there's no response though, my console just sits there trying to ssh
10:26<courtland>and nothign's happening
10:27<thelongmile>courtland: can you ping the IP?
10:27<HoopyCat>it's no coincidence that i flash the sign of the horns all the time, 'tho i'm quite glad i installed the pull string on the ceiling light before i ended up as a thoughtful dr. evil
10:27<thelongmile>Wouldn't it be funny if an ISP was blocking ssh packets for some reason
10:27<akerl>courtland: Next step would be to pastebin the results of ssh'ing with -vvv
10:27<AlexC_>please don't put SSH on port 30000 if you are =) Keep it to < 1024
10:28<akerl>AlexC_: Why?
10:28<thelongmile>aww I use 2096
10:28<thelongmile>....I shoudln't have said that
10:28<HoopyCat>ran: does the service graph I/O usage, like some sort of graph like this?
10:28<courtland>when i ping i get a bouunch of request timeouts
10:28<AlexC_>akerl: because any user can bind to port > 1024, where as root can only bind to < 1024. If you for some reason your SSH daemon stops, you have a race condition where someone can setup another program to bind to that port
10:28<HoopyCat>AlexC_: <3
10:28<courtland>"Request timeout for icmp_seq 28"
10:29<HoopyCat>courtland: time for a traceroute!
10:29<akerl>!mtr !!
10:29<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
10:29<ran>HoopyCat: nop. the service is serverDensity BTW
10:29<courtland>lol okay
10:29<courtland>are you sure i can't just restart my linode?
10:29<akerl>AlexC_: If someone is in a position to configure other services on my box, I'm pwn'd anyway
10:29<courtland>guess illddownload mtr?
10:30<akerl>courtland: you can restart, and eat a ham sandwich, and buy a turtle. But all three are equally likely to help
10:30<chesty>courtland: are you doing ssh -p 30000 blah
10:30<HoopyCat>courtland: you can if you want, but if there's a network problem between you and it, it won't do a damn bit of good
10:30<AlexC_>akerl: an exploit in a web app could easily allow me to write a PHP script for example that binds to that port. It's very very simple
10:30<HoopyCat>courtland: can you ping
10:30<thelongmile>AlexC_: Really? I had no idea!
10:30<courtland>chesty: yes
10:30<courtland>i see
10:30<AlexC_>thelongmile: yes, running any critical service on a port > 1024 is just dumb
10:30<thelongmile>What if your disabling root logins?
10:31<AlexC_>thelongmile: you mean, for my *own* application that is listning on that port? ;)
10:31<thelongmile>nah, ssh but on a port greater than 1024 but with root disabled
10:31<HoopyCat>ran: well, here's vmstat in a nutshell: si and so should be very close to zero, wa should be damn close to zero, and free+buff+cache-swpd should be greater than zero
10:31<HoopyCat>ran: (swap in and swap out, I/O wait, and available memory minus swapped stuff)
10:31<courtland>pastebin of a traceroute to my server:
10:32<akerl>thelongmile: His point is not that he'll connect to your ssh via root. It's that your sshd dies, he sets up a new daemon on that port, to which you connect, thinking it's ssh
10:32<AlexC_>thelongmile: it makes no difference. The fact is, if your SSH daemon stops, someone else can setup a program to bind to that port. So when someone comes along and think they are connecting to SSH, they are connecting to my own program
10:32<thelongmile>now i understand
10:32<thelongmile>*goes to change*
10:32<akerl>courtland: can you paste for us your ssh command? The one you're typing that isn't working
10:33<ran>HoopyCat:si and so are 0
10:33<courtland>ssh -p 30000 myusername@
10:33<HoopyCat>courtland: hmmm, THAT looks ok. but you're also using comcast, and the first person who mentioned something about ssh was also using comcast and was in the same /20
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10:33<courtland>when i do ping it's still saying request timeout with 94% packet loss
10:33<thelongmile>Comcast possibly got routing issues?
10:33<thelongmile>or are they blocking anything that's not on port 21 and 80
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10:33<@heckman>thelongmile: AFAIK they don't
10:33<HoopyCat>!ipinfo 43a90522
10:33<linbot>HoopyCat: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS33651; ASN owner: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Comcast Cable Communications, IP Services; City: Fremont; State: California; Postal code: 94539; Country: United States;
10:34<HoopyCat>!ipinfo 18828d57
10:34<linbot>HoopyCat: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS7922; ASN owner: Comcast Cable Communications, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc; City: San Francisco; State: California; Country: United States;
10:34<thelongmile>heckman: fair enough.... what the heck is that ?
10:34<HoopyCat>so the other guy was in the san francisco area, too...
10:34*HoopyCat suspects earthquake
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10:35<thelongmile>18828d57? Is that... someones raw IRC user id?
10:35<thelongmile>i have never seen that
10:35<HoopyCat>ran: at this specific moment in time, your swap usage is not a problem
10:35<HoopyCat>thelongmile: hexadecimal representation of an IPv4 address
10:35<courtland>okay yeah weird
10:36<courtland>i can connect to my site on my phone, when it's not on wreless
10:36<thelongmile>it's the rapture ten
10:36<ran>HoopyCat: and the swap size?
10:37<thelongmile>I need to be using IRC on my linode, I suspect my interent connection may be being monitored
10:37<HoopyCat>ran: i wouldn't sweat it. then again, i, too, am 123 MB into my 256 MB swap. for servers, swap is generally sized to let it shove useless stuff out of RAM but to trigger the oom_killer before things get out of hand
10:38<akerl>thelongmile... Why not just use irc over ssl?
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10:38<thelongmile>I had no idea I could do that
10:39<HoopyCat>courtland: you might be able to open a ticket with comcast and see what's up, but, well, i fear calling my ISP for anything less than total service outages in case they try to "fix" something...
10:39*akerl shudders in memory of past fios "fixes"
10:39<ran>HoopyCat: and 256mb is enough on a 1 GB mem
10:40<courtland>do you think i can jsut wait it out?
10:40<akerl>Unless the world ends before it gets fixed
10:40<HoopyCat>ran: sure. odds are good most of the stuff you're running is not stuff you want to have swapped out, anyway.
10:40<courtland>well i definitely will still be here after the rapture
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10:41<HoopyCat>courtland: try moving to los angeles and see if the situation improves
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10:42<ran>HoopyCat: ok, thanks!
10:42<BarkariII>HoopyCat: if anything, I think LA is more likely to get a rapture earthquake
10:42<HoopyCat>i'm just stoked to see traceroutes to places across town that don't leave the time zone
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10:44<HoopyCat>(here ->, 'bout five miles away, *technically* does still leave the state -- it hands off from RR to Level3 in newark -- but this sure as hell beats chicago)
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10:44<thelongmile>yay thanks, didn't know about ssl
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10:45<thelongmile>now work wont monitor
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10:45<HoopyCat>ran: btw, take a look at munin, if you like graphing stuff... it's what does that pretty swap in/out graph i pasted earlier
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10:46<FrostedLight>Just created my Linode, reeks of awesome.
10:46<thelongmile>HoopyCat: i missed it, i can see?
10:46<thelongmile>FrostedLight: YAYY
10:46<retro|blah>Yeah, linodes smell
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10:47<courtland>well thanks for saving me from restarting my server uselessly, im gonna go buy some groceries or something
10:47<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: the odor, while pungent, is a harmless artifact of the manufacturing process and will dissipate after a few hours. in the event of nausea or headache, move to fresh air.
10:47<courtland>and hope things work eventually
10:47<akerl>thelongmile: You're using irc from work?
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10:48<HoopyCat>courtland: nod, we're almost out of breakfast cereal and coffee, so it'd be appreciated if you thought of your local IRC troubleshooters when you visit the grocery store :-)
10:48<courtland>you guys like sweet stuff like cinnamon toast crunch
10:48<courtland>or are oyu more rice krispies type of guys
10:49<FrostedLight>Finally created it, but a recurring prorated fee of $26.90 on my $19.00 Linode...
10:49<HoopyCat>courtland: i usually dig crunchy raisin bran or apple cinnamon o-shaped kibbles; my wife likes frosted mini-wheats and cinnamon squares
10:49<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: you're paid up through the end of june now
10:49<akerl>FrostedLight: I believe at a certain point towards the end of the month, you pay the proration + next month
10:49<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: on july 1, you'll get charged $19.95 and life'll be normal
10:49<courtland>apple cinnamon cheeriors, frosted mini-wheats, and cinnamon toast crunch
10:50<courtland>i have all 3 of those in my kitchen ^^
10:50<FrostedLight>Well, I'll be here while REE compiles..
10:51<thelongmile>HoopyCat: pretttyy
10:51<HoopyCat>turns out that caker's yacht payment is now due on the 28th of the month, hence the last-third-of-the-month rule
10:51<thelongmile>Asterisk! Brilliant!, are you just running asterisk or freepbx? Zaptel? Dahdi?
10:52<FrostedLight>This thing's datacenter is within 20 miles of me.. Lol
10:52<thelongmile>wave to it when you go past then
10:53<HoopyCat>thelongmile: freepbx, no zaptel/dahdi (no need for conference bridge). i've done ztdummy/dahdi_dummy in the past (see, et al)
10:53<HoopyCat>thelongmile: but 1) i'm running hardy so my own instructions don't apply to my own situation, and 2) oh god the horror
10:53<thelongmile>ROFLMFAO - the horror
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10:54<FrostedLight>Compiling and installing passenger apache2 module..
10:54<HoopyCat>also, your munin-based post-mortem of the day: notice that gap in the asterisk weekly graphs, from yesterday?
10:54<FrostedLight>Do I pay for my Linode if it was powered off for a month?
10:54<akerl>FrostedLight: Yes
10:54<HoopyCat>follow that through the rest of framboise's graphs and see if you can figure out an oversight in my system monitoring protocols
10:55<thelongmile>HoopyCat: OH
10:55<akerl>You can cancel the node, and start a new one a month later, and you won't pay for the dead month, but a node on your account is a node on your bill
10:55<FrostedLight>So I'd have to back up my stuff, THEN delete the Linode, create a new one later and restore teh backup.
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10:55<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: perhaps the best analogy is that of an apartment... the space is still yours, and the landlord can't rent it out when you're on vacation
10:56<thelongmile>HoopyCat: thats an oddly specific time...
10:56<akerl>HoopyCat: You monitor the 911 calls?
10:56<HoopyCat>thelongmile: the problem was resolved when my wife got home and couldn't use the phone
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10:57<thelongmile>HoopyCat: I'm guessing something was unplugged?
10:57<FrostedLight>Well, sticking a BNC on my Linode - that'll be fun.. brb.
10:57<HoopyCat>akerl: it is a pretty neat use of the county's RSS feed
10:58<HoopyCat>akerl: <--- you can tell when shit hit the fan
10:58<akerl>I'm impressed. It looks like a bunch of your graphs are custom. How hard is it to do custom munin plugins?
10:58<thelongmile>akerl: why you ask if I'm using IRC in work? *cough**cough*whoareyou*cough**cough*
10:58<HoopyCat>thelongmile: check the other graphs, especially the memory usage ones
10:59<thelongmile>you shutdown?
10:59<akerl>thelongmile: Mostly because my advice is less applicable. If you use SSL from work to encrypt your traffic, their ISP will more than likely put you on an espionage watchlist
10:59<thelongmile>akerl: it's ok, we're a VNO :D
10:59<BarkariII>FrostedLight: another thing to consider is tunneling irc over ssh... no bnc software required
10:59<thelongmile>we SSL everything anyway,
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11:01<thelongmile>HoopyCat: I'm guessing either your system got shut down or you had a power cut
11:01<thelongmile>someone needs a UPS
11:01<HoopyCat>thelongmile: it's on my linode, and i'm not in fremont
11:01<FrostedLight>hands up if you hate waiting for GCC to compile stuff?
11:01<FrostedLight>*Hand up*
11:01<HoopyCat>thelongmile: *i* didn't do anything, except start running a script overnight...
11:01<SleePy>"any fire not psoing"
11:02<SleePy>Spell check :D
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11:03<thelongmile>nope, I'm clearly too stupid, I can't work out what happened
11:03<HoopyCat>akerl: it's not too bad. i've done more than a few over the past few years. basically, if the plugin is called with 'config' as an argument, it spits out the parameters for the graph; if it isn't, it spits out the values for the graph.
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11:05<thelongmile>HoopyCat: at a guess, not really knowing, the script hit a loop and maxed the usage? entirely?
11:06<HoopyCat>akerl: hard part is usually getting the information in the first place, which has involved everything from scraping web pages ( to writing software for a microcontroller and building a homebrew sensor array (
11:07<HoopyCat>thelongmile: you guessed right. it OOM'd and took out a bunch of stuff with it. i'd previously tested it on my workstation, the one with more RAM than my linode has disk space
11:08<thelongmile>ooh my hunch was right! *goes to work out precisely what bits he got right so it's not aguess*
11:08*HoopyCat is probably going to have to get fancypants mappy-reducy with this thing
11:08<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 100% full (no time remaining). Last emptied at some point, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
11:08<thelongmile>quick question about that
11:08*HoopyCat shakes fist at sky
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11:09<thelongmile>why oh why does it have the word MILDEW in various assortments of letters?
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11:11<thelongmile>your dehumidifyer twitter thing I mean
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11:13<FrostedLight>Just Redeploying my Linode
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11:18*thelongmile thinks HoopyCat has gone to empty the dehumidifier
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11:19<HoopyCat>thelongmile: to defeat twitter's anti-spam mechanism
11:20<thelongmile>I did not know that was how it worked
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11:22*FrostedLight thinks thelongmile is online 24/7
11:22<thelongmile>sometimes i have to poop
11:23<HoopyCat>thelongmile: twitter will tend to silently drop essentially identical automatic tweets, at least as of ~2009
11:23<BarkariII>thelongmile: no laptop?
11:23<thelongmile>i have a laptop, I just ran out of anti-bac
11:24<HoopyCat>!d and yeah, had to empty it, which involved moving clothes out of the dryer and towels from the washer to the dryer. (i empty the bucket into the washing machine, so the water doesn't go to waste)
11:24<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 0% full (about 11 hours remaining). Last emptied 14 minutes ago, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
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11:24<linbot>FrostedLight: Now 0% full (about 11 hours remaining). Last emptied 14 minutes ago, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
11:24<thelongmile>HoopyCat: that's actually a really good idea
11:24<FrostedLight>What does that do?
11:25<FrostedLight>is Hoopycat someone important?
11:25<akerl>FrostedLight: Asks god to query the status of Hoopy's dehumidifier
11:25<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: it reports how full the tank on my basement's dehumidifier is. and no, i'm not important, just nerdy.
11:25<thelongmile>everyones important relaly
11:25<thelongmile>I'm the room idiot
11:26<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.78723858, 0.99559648) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 17751 of 22570 (π ≈ 3.145945945945946 - 0.004353292356153)
11:26<HoopyCat>is another one of mine, which is less of a success so far
11:26<FrostedLight>I'm SSHing to an Offline host.. >.<
11:26<BarkariII>FrostedLight: he seems to think he is
11:26<akerl>HoopyCat, does the !d command just grab the text off a url, or does it actually hold the script?
11:27<HoopyCat>akerl: it just grabs text off of a URL, same thing !urmom did last night
11:27<BarkariII>!help d
11:27<linbot>BarkariII: (d <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "dehumidifier $*".
11:27<linbot>FrostedLight: Yo mommas so ignorant, She thinks a computer is the monitor. (758:1/2) [momur]
11:28<FrostedLight>What are the Linode DNS manager nameservers?
11:29<HoopyCat>FrostedLight:, for x:[1,5]
11:29<FrostedLight>Ok.. If I change the NameServers on my Godaddy domain, will it ignore the preentered DNS?
11:29<Corren>interesting debate re: swapsize on twitter
11:29<Corren>what do you guys think
11:29<BarkariII>what would cause my ipv6 packet to go to the wrong ip?
11:29<HoopyCat>FrostedLight: "pre-entered"?
11:30<BarkariII>bad routing?
11:30<@heckman>BarkariII: what do you mean?
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11:30<HoopyCat>Corren: swap should be greater than zero, but small enough to put your system out of its misery if shit hits the fan. on servers, if you're actively swapping, you've lost the game
11:31<Corren>so leaving the default is reasonable in your opinion? (256)
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11:32<akerl>HoopyCat, does the !d command just grab the text off a url, or does it actually hold the script?
11:32<HoopyCat>Corren: i've found 256 MB to be too large on one of my systems (which serves an application with randomly-appearing memory leak), but yeah, it's the default for a reason
11:32<akerl>oops mistype
11:32<HoopyCat>akerl: it just grabs text off of a URL, same thing !urmom did last minute
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11:34<HoopyCat>Corren: there may also be some correlation between I/O benchmarks on linode outperforming certain other providers that default to larger swap sizes
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11:41<HoopyCat>that said, on most modern "real" (that is, physical) servers, swap size isn't as huge a concern... both RAM and disk are cheap and plentiful, and you're not as likely to end up swap-thrashing because you failed to configure your apache properly. ergo, there's not much empirical data and the old wives' tale of double-your-RAM still holds
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11:44<Corren>depends on the app of course
11:44<Corren>we're using both riak and redis, which can chew up ram ;)
11:45<Corren>and swap scenarios are critically bad on those
11:45<HoopyCat>you want them chewing up RAM, not swap
11:46<Corren> :) my riak-js documentation change is live
11:46<HoopyCat>i've heard suggestions to just not have any swap at all, but eh, i don't think that's QUITE a great idea (even in big-RAM scenarios)
11:47<Corren>i.e. literally die when oom
11:47<HoopyCat>i think disabling overcommit might be a good thing to try, too... you don't need oom-killer if the malloc fails in the first place
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11:48<HoopyCat>... swap over the network? my god, man
11:48<Corren>well, we haven't even shipped 0.1 of our service
11:48<Corren>so we're still learning
11:48<HoopyCat>Corren: you're always still learning
11:48<linbot>FrostedLight: Now 0% full (about 11 hours remaining). Last emptied 38 minutes ago, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
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11:48<Corren>ain't that the truth
11:49<Corren>3 weeks ago I had just left microsoft after ~9 years
11:49<FrostedLight>Hurry up.
11:49<Corren>so yea, learning is constant
11:50<Corren>HoopyCat: do you work @linode
11:50<HoopyCat>i, for one, am learning that i should never stand up from my office chair, even if just for a moment. there's now a cat with her claws embedded into the fabric, sleeping in a tight curl that makes her impossible to pick up
11:50<HoopyCat>Corren: No. the guys and gals with @ at the beginning of their nicks do
11:50<Corren>didn't know if it was only ops :P
11:51<BarkariII>Corren: you could be working on skype now
11:51<Corren>don't start
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11:51<Corren>the funny thing is my founder is an ex msft exec, so I get all the good dirt on msft
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11:51<Corren>that I didn't already know ;)
11:52<HoopyCat>afk, testing domestic hot water flow rates
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12:00<archon810>morning folks
12:00<archon810>I'm experiencing a very weird issue with my linode
12:00<archon810>in Fremont
12:00<archon810>it's up - I am in ssh, but I can't access apache
12:00<archon810>however, everyone else can
12:01<archon810>there are tons of requests going by
12:01<AlexC_>HoopyCat: regarding your cats claws and impossible to pick up. Well, my cat has really sharp claws and the other day he decided to stick his claws into the carpet .... and got stuck
12:01<archon810>any ideas what this may be?
12:01<archon810>does load for you?
12:01<AlexC_>archon810: yes
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12:02<archon810>I get The webpage at might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address. Error 103 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_ABORTED): Unknown error.
12:02<archon810>can it be a comcast issue?
12:02<archon810>I have another guy on comcast who can't see it
12:03<archon810>yet I can ssh into it...
12:04<archon810>anybody else on comcast here?
12:05<Corren>negative :(
12:05<Corren>frontier fios
12:06<jcase>array: you awake?
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12:06<dand>how do I know if I need tcp tuning?
12:06<jcase>archon810: works here
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12:08<archon810>hrm, what can it be...
12:08<JshWright>dand: you don't
12:08<@heckman>jcase: he's not awake. Need something?
12:09<jcase>darn aussies and their sleep schedules
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12:10<JshWright>dand: the long answer to your question is that if you undertand what all the settings in that blog post do, you'll know what questions to ask...
12:10<JshWright>he also might have been raptured
12:10<@Perihelion>archon810: I'm on comcast and it works
12:11<dand>JshWright: I need to handle ~5000 users in a comet server behind nginx proxy
12:11<dand>JshWright: do I need to worry about it?
12:11<@heckman>I've seen some west-coast Comcast people having issues today
12:11<dand>JshWright: the problem is, I don't know even where to look if something goes wrong
12:11<@heckman>South Jersey Comcast = good.
12:11<dand>JshWright: maybe some tool to give me statistics
12:12<JshWright>dand: it's not that easy to simplify these low level kernel tweaks into one-size fits all "optimizations"
12:12<BarkariII>heckman: prerapture underground earthquakes damaging burried fiber
12:12<JshWright>you need to understand what those settings do, then you'll know if they're relevant or not
12:12<@heckman>Or Comcast is trolling.
12:13<@heckman>Or...failing. They seem to do the latter a lot.
12:13<jcase>nah, canadians snuck in and cut fiber
12:13<archon810>Perihelion: which comcast are you on?
12:13<archon810>i'm on the west coast
12:13<@heckman>archon810: we're in Southern NJ
12:13<archon810>what I don't get is how I can access the box's ssh
12:14<archon810>not not web
12:14<archon810>reddit is down too
12:14<dand>JshWright: ok, I'll try to find info about it
12:14<@Perihelion>archon810: Yeah, NJ
12:14<@heckman>reddit is good from here.
12:14<@heckman>archon810: possibly power cycle home net? Dunno. Maybe Comcast screwed up and is filtering port 80. :X
12:14<archon810>heckman, did that
12:14<jcase> comcast outage page is having an outage
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12:15<dand>JshWright: can you recommend a book about it?
12:15<archon810>good thing I have 3 of those "we'll make it right" comcast cards
12:16<archon810>throws you right to non-Indian pro support
12:16<@heckman> ftw
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12:18<archon810>oh great, now I can't ssh either
12:18<JshWright>dand: I'm just google around a bit until you have a solid idea of what those kernel settings do
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12:20<@heckman>archon810: MTR / WinMTR ?
12:20<sent>fremont appears to be down
12:20<@heckman>sent: let me guess you cannot access your Linode?
12:20<JshWright>sent: mtr report?
12:20<@heckman>sent: it's Comcastic (as far as we can tell)
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12:20<@heckman>But yeah, as JshWright said...
12:20<sent>heckman: k, so i can enjoy the rest of my saturday
12:21<FrostedLight>heckman: What's going on?
12:21<JshWright>but since no one who's affected has posted an MTR report... it's tough to tell...
12:21<sent>it would explain why my pingdom didn't alarm
12:21<@heckman>FrostedLight: Listening to music right now.
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12:21<FrostedLight>heckman: As in, is there a Linode problem?
12:21<sent>mtr coming in a sec
12:21<@heckman>sent: Can you generate an MTR report, as well as provide your local IP (so I can reverse generate one)?
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12:21<archon810>Clicky just stopped registering new connections
12:21<archon810>at all
12:22<archon810>while it was earlier
12:22<archon810>and my ssh is no longer available
12:22<archon810>this is unnerving
12:22<JshWright>archon810: mtr?
12:22<@heckman>FrostedLight: Not seeing any notifications of issues by our monitoring stuffs
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12:22<Jippi>Can anyone recommend a tool for linux/debian that can execute a command if a server stops responding to ping, or simular "dead" events?
12:22<jcase>archon810: it jsut sdropped
12:22<archon810>not sure what mtr is
12:22<JshWright>Jippi: mtr
12:22<jcase>im west coast, not on comcast
12:22<FrostedLight>Ok, London Datacenter probs?
12:23<@heckman>Nope. Why?
12:23<Jippi>mtr is just for running by hand, right?
12:23<JshWright>Jippi: what exactly are you looking to do?
12:23<archon810> shows down now
12:23<JshWright>FrostedLight: are you experiencing an issue?
12:23<sent>it just connected for me..
12:23<sent>but it's sporadic
12:23<sent>it's glbx
12:23<Jippi>JshWright: When NFS1 goes down, I want all web servers who uses this server, to "notice" this and change to an alternative server (NFS2)
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12:24<FrostedLight>JshWright: No
12:24<@heckman>Jippi: so you are trying to simulate failure for testing purposes?
12:24<archon810>all my monitoring alerts just fired, fremont is officially down
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12:24<Jippi>JshWright: not quite a floating IP, as I use both nfs1 and nfs2 in normal production
12:24<JshWright>Jippi: that's a very specific need... why didn't you mention that in the first place?
12:24<@heckman>sent: seems to have worked that time.
12:24<sent>heckman: yeah, but look at glbx
12:25<sent>hops 12 and 13
12:25<Jippi>heckman: that, and for normal production too
12:25<sent>at the same time, i tried to connect to the server, no bueno
12:25<Jippi>JshWright: Not interesting in IP failover :)
12:25<BarkariII>I find that my ipv6 drops packets every time cron.hourly executes
12:25<jcase>archon810: down from NJ, down form LA, down from WA, down from ATL and dallas
12:25<jcase>i'd say you are right
12:25<sent>i think it's a transit problem
12:26<sent>not a power issue
12:26<JshWright>Jippi: ok? That link still applies
12:26<Jippi>JshWright: I use both nfs1 and nfs2 in normal production (its really just a gluster replica)
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12:26<archon810>THE RUPTURE
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12:26<archon810>they were right
12:26<JshWright>Jippi: you can use Heartbeat to execute whatever script you want
12:26<@heckman>booting desktop to Ubuntu so I can be a bit more productive.
12:28*heckman kicks his Linode tron to life
12:28<sent>i don't know if Linode filters icmp
12:28<sent>but i can traceroute into my vps, but it's not responding to icmp pings
12:28<JshWright>FWIW, Multi-MTR to Fremont is clean (aside from normal transatlantic issues)
12:28<archon810>opened up a ticket
12:29<sent>getting semaphore timeouts in ssh
12:29<sent>so there's just some route funkyness
12:29<sent>archon810: don't bother
12:29<sent>it's a HE issue, not a Linode issue
12:29<archon810>well, I'd like to be updated on that
12:29<archon810>this is the 3rd Linode problem in the last month
12:29<HoopyCat>Jippi: nagios can trigger arbitrary commands based on stimulus
12:30<archon810> is useless
12:30<aatharuv>I'm running into incorrect checksums in ssh packets to linode via comcast in CA, causing ssh keyexchange to not go very far. I'm not running into that issue from other networks.
12:30<@heckman>aatharuv: can you set us up with an MTR report?
12:30<archon810>I always catch every outage an hour before that page is updated
12:30<sent>archon810: third?
12:30<archon810>third, yes
12:30<sent>archon810: there has only been an outage that was minute a couple weeks ago
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12:30<sent>then the outage in december
12:31<archon810>haha, no way
12:31<archon810>you must be smoking some good stuff
12:31<archon810>that's one of them
12:31<archon810>over 2 hours of downtime
12:31<sent>the one 2 weeks ago
12:31<dcraig>sent uses long minutes
12:31<archon810>the other wasn't documented
12:31<aatharuv>heckman: Where can I upload it to?
12:31<archon810>but it was a long one too
12:32<@heckman> /
12:32<archon810>how can I run mtr?
12:32<@heckman>archon810: what OS are you using?
12:32<dcraig> isn't wide enough
12:32<sent>just google winmtr
12:33<@heckman>Man, Comcast is doing some really bad routing.
12:33<archon810>not comcast anymore fro what I can tell
12:33<archon810>down from everywhere
12:33<HoopyCat>archon810: what's the IP?
12:34<sent>as far as i can tell
12:34<sent>my linodes are running
12:34<sent>from linode mgr
12:34<@heckman>aatharuv: that's showing no loss.
12:34<@heckman>Can you use Lish to connect to your Linode and MTR back to your IP address?
12:34<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
12:34<HoopyCat>archon810: i can't ping your IP (nor get a response on port 80), but i can ping .1 in the same block
12:35<aatharuv>heckman: I'm not running into any loss -- in fact I'm on my linode right now.
12:35<archon810>HoopyCat let me lish into it
12:35<aatharuv>heckman: I just can't ssh into it from some networks due to corrupted packets
12:35<@heckman>Ah, ooooops. Misunderstood. :<
12:35<HoopyCat>archon810: so whatever it is, it's probably pretty close to your linode
12:36<HoopyCat>aatharuv: corrupted packets! interesting.
12:36<sent>the problem is kind of deeper than that
12:36<aatharuv>heckman: A friend of mine just told me he's running into identical ssh key issue due to incorrect packet checksums from Comcast California to the HE data center in fremont
12:36<sent>i have several servers in one market tower in san jose
12:36<@heckman>aatharuv: to your Linode or another one?
12:36<HoopyCat>aatharuv: other comcast users in the bay area have reported whackiness with ssh, so that'd make sense...
12:36<sent>and i'm getting the same issue
12:36<sent>there is a transit issue going on
12:36<aatharuv>heckman: To non-linode, but in the same data center.
12:36<linbot>New news from forums: Subdomains in apache in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:37<HoopyCat>what the hell is doing it, i can't even begin to speculate
12:37<sent>aatharuv: i'm getting the same problem to a different data center in san jose
12:37<sent>fwiw, pingdom reports OK
12:37<@heckman>Some network engineer is trolling right now.
12:37<sent>but i can ping these boxes
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12:38<sent>reddit was unresponsive for me earlier
12:38*heckman looks at JoshMargulis's hostname
12:38<archon810>I can't lish
12:38<archon810>it's not connecting
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12:39<HoopyCat>comcast isn't exactly known for not creatively handling traffic, but they're also known for doing it with sufficient clue to avoid collateral damage
12:39<dcraig>isn't known for not
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12:40<HoopyCat>archon810: can you get in via the web-based thinger from the dashboard? (that doesn't use ssh, but it still needs to go from your browser to the datacenter)
12:40<archon810>HoopyCat, that's the one I tried
12:40<archon810>not connecting
12:40<HoopyCat>archon810: bugger. which host are you on?
12:40<archon810>WinMTR report:
12:41<@heckman>archon810: did you look at your ticket btw?
12:41<sent>trying to find comcast network status
12:41<archon810>just refreshed it 5 min ago
12:41<archon810>let me see
12:42<archon810>my box kernel panicked?
12:42<archon810>or the linode itself?
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12:42<@heckman>Your Linode itself.
12:42<archon810>that response confuses me
12:43<archon810>"If the problem happens again you may want roll back to the "" kernel which is known not to have this problem."
12:43<sent>attempting lish
12:43<@heckman>archon810: could also do that and reboot.
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12:43<sent> is down
12:44<archon810>heckman that wouldn't explain why I can't connect to the lish server
12:44<@heckman>archon810: no, but would explain why your website was down from *
12:44<@heckman>sent: works from South Jersey
12:44<sent>as far as i can tell, my linode is still running
12:44<@heckman>sent: what's your Linode's IP?
12:44<archon810>heckman: :(
12:44<HoopyCat>sent: looks good from here, so odds are good it's getting into the same problem as everything else from your neck of the woods
12:45<sent>yeah, seems that way
12:45*sent goes to make coffee
12:45<@heckman>sent: agreed you're still online
12:45<HoopyCat>afk, on the blower
12:45<sent>i don't really give a shit if there's routing/bgp issues
12:45<sent>a fuck is given for pg&e outages
12:46*sent marks this off as NMP
12:46<sent>(not my problem)
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12:49<peterm95018>can anyone confirm fremont status?
12:49<sent>peterm95018: fremont is online, there are intermittent routing issues outside of fremont
12:50<pjleonhardt>Can someone giv eme more info about newark277?
12:50<@heckman>pjleonhardt: have you checked the support tab for your account? ;)
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12:51<archon810>bah, now I can't connect to
12:51<monsterb>Can I run two distros at the same time on one account? (if I have two IPs)
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12:51<@Perihelion>monsterb: No, only one profile at a time
12:51<sent>just put up a support ticket and request to boot
12:51<monsterb>Perihelion: thanks
12:51<archon810>sent: I can't!
12:51<archon810>I can't get to the manager
12:51<sent>then ask Perihelion nicely :)
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12:52<sent>if you buy her chocolates and flowers
12:52<sent>she might do it for you
12:52<archon810>I've initiated a reboot
12:52<pjleonhardt>Yes, hence I'd like more information. It doesn't have any info about eta or what the problem was or anything of the likes.
12:52<archon810>and now I can't connect to verify what's going on
12:52<@heckman>archon810: back up
12:52<orudie>anything going on in Atlanta ?
12:52<orudie> is not loading for me
12:52<akerl>!mtr orudie
12:52<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
12:52<orudie>and my server is very slow
12:52<archon810> is dead
12:52<archon810>Internal Server Error The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log. Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu) mod_ssl/2.2.8 OpenSSL/0.9.8g JRun/4.0 Server at www.linode.
12:53<@heckman>pjleonhardt: you're more than welcome to request additional details in the ticket.
12:53<sent>works fine for me
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12:53<akerl> loads fine for me
12:53<Nivex>"Waiting for"
12:53<archon810>definitely error 500 for me
12:53<Nivex>I just got the Internal Server Error now too
12:53<archon810>multiple refreshes
12:53<monsterb>down for me too
12:53*heckman removes all of your F5 keys
12:53<sent>there's just been routing fuckery
12:53<archon810>something is majorly fucked today
12:53<@Perihelion>We'll look into it.
12:53<archon810>it's happening
12:54<Nivex>with that, I'm going to go watch my friend get her head shaved
12:54<@Perihelion>archon810: Were you able to reboot?
12:54<@heckman>Nivex: pictures!
12:54<archon810>Perihelion I've no idea
12:54<archon810>I pressed reboot, then 2 min later linode went down
12:54<@heckman>archon810: It's good. Also, check nao
12:54<archon810>so it was rebooting
12:54<Nivex>heckman: she met her fundraising goal (St. Baldricks Foundation) so there will likely be video
12:54<@heckman>Nivex: score! I'll try to remember to remind you to remind me later.
12:55<akerl>I've got 0% loss to
12:55<@Perihelion>It might be ice cream time
12:55<archon810>ok, i'm back to square 1
12:55<akerl>Isn't it always, Perihelion?
12:55<archon810>now site says it's up
12:55<archon810>but I can't ssh or port 80
12:55<akerl>archon810: What's your IP?
12:55<archon810>my linode ip?
12:55<@Perihelion>I should dye my hair like that
12:56<akerl>Yes. The IP you want to connect to
12:56<sent>Perihelion: no, don;t.
12:56<Nivex>Perihelion: that's excerpted from
12:56<@Perihelion>Why not? :3
12:56<sent>because it looks terrible when the roots grow out :(
12:56*Nivex really goes now
12:56<@heckman>archon810: 64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=48 time=92.8 ms
12:57<archon810>is the site loading?
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12:57<akerl>The site loads for me. nmap shows 22 as filtered, are you running anything funky?
12:57<archon810>fack, not for me still
12:57<archon810>what a day
12:57<archon810>akerl my ssh runs on a different port
12:58<sent>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=165 ms
12:58<akerl>which port?
12:58<sent>from Luxembuorg
12:58<@Perihelion>The site loads for me
12:58<archon810>a secret one :P
12:58<archon810>nah, just kidding - 222
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12:58<archon810>what a day
12:58<archon810>first comcast issues
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12:58<archon810>then kernel panick
12:58<akerl>I can ssh to it
12:58<sent>you stress out too much
12:58<@heckman>PANIC! In the kernel.
12:58<sent>it's not healthy
12:59<sent>drink a beer or smoke some trees
12:59<akerl>You both also abuse your poor enter key.
12:59<archon810>sent: I'm missing out on a lot of traffic
12:59<sent>relax, man
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12:59<sent>archon810: does your site generate significant revenue
12:59<archon810>sent: yes
12:59<akerl>archon810: If the issue is in the intertubes, there's not much you can do, other than have them fix it. Your site is running, it's not a config issue you can fix on your end
13:00<sent>then why don't you have multiple redundancy?
13:00<archon810>it's my FT job
13:00<sent>high availability?
13:00<sent>my god, man
13:00<archon810>because I never needed it
13:00<sent>famous last words.
13:00<dominikh>I never needed backups... I guess I shouldn't have any
13:00<akerl>sent: How does HA help him if comcast nukes their tubes??
13:00<archon810>I have multiple backup
13:00<dominikh>akerl: different routes
13:00<sent>akerl: because the issue won't be localized to a single datacenter
13:00<archon810>HA would help if I were in a different data center
13:01<akerl>dominikh: Except all the library style HA configs use a single datacenter for IP failover :p
13:01<archon810>the problem is implementing HA with Wordpress
13:01<archon810>ah, that's true, akerl
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13:01<dominikh>akerl: there are more than one way to implement HA :P
13:01<@Perihelion>The site loads TONS (over 216) elements for me...
13:01<marius>archon810, HA wiht WordPress is easy
13:01<marius>There's so many plugins that help you it's not even funny any more
13:01<@Perihelion>where elements are images and scripts :P
13:01<akerl>At least it's not over 9000!
13:02<archon810>I like images, OK?
13:02<@Perihelion>Don't we all!
13:02<sent>archon810: fwiw, i have all of my image resources managed with W3TC through Cloudfront
13:02<akerl>dominikh: granted. But when you tell someone to learn HA, and they run to the library, they do it the library way :-)
13:02<sent>archon810: and my database server is an EC2 instance
13:02<@heckman>Perihelion: Google Chrome counted 311 requests
13:02<archon810>sent: i'm with maxcdn
13:02<@Perihelion>heckman: Yeah I stopped watching the counter haha
13:03<akerl>archon810: Like them or not, smashing someone's browser with a the http equivalent of a sack of bricks isn't exactly good practive
13:03<@Perihelion>sent: How do you like the EC2 DB server?
13:03<sent>archon810: if fremont collapses in an earthquake, i can bring up a new linode in atl, london, wherever
13:03<sent>in a matter of minutes
13:03<@Perihelion>I had some latency issues with it :(
13:03<marius>wow, androidpolice gave me a shitton of errors for unsecure attempts at accessing elements
13:03<sent>Perihelion: it's been fine
13:03<@Perihelion>Maybe I was doinitwrong
13:03<BarkerJr>is there any reason to run HA rather than just a ping and "pi addr add"?
13:03<sent>Perihelion: i'm not in northern virginia though
13:03<@Perihelion>Haha, yeah....
13:04<sent>the NVA EC2 users have been having a shit time of it
13:04<archon810>I'm not sure what the right fix here would be
13:04<sent>archon810: you'll be up by noon PST
13:05<archon810>for example, how do you handle images and files on multiple http hosts?
13:05<akerl>archon810: At the moment, nothing, it's a routing issue. In the future, you want to consider geographic diversity and HA
13:05<sent>archon810: ?
13:05<archon810>let me give you an example
13:05<sent>archon810: everything gets stored on the CDN
13:05<sent>images, files... everything.
13:05<archon810>I write a post (we use windows live writer), include 5 images in it, then it gets uploaded to wordpress
13:05<sent>your Linode only serves as a static/app server
13:06<sent>look into w3tc
13:06<archon810>I've looked into it
13:06<sent>it automatically uploads all images and files to the cdn
13:06<archon810>oh the upload mode
13:06<archon810>I use the transparent passthrough mode
13:07<sent>as for HA
13:07<sent>i don't require it
13:07<archon810>so you actually have to sign up for a CDN plan that lets you store images on their side
13:07<archon810>vs just cache
13:07<sent>i have high traffic sites, but they aren't revenue sensitive
13:07<sent>archon810: cloudfront
13:08<archon810>cloudfront is expensive
13:08<sent>nah, it's not
13:08<sent>i do 5 million visits a year, my cloudfront bill is about $50/mo
13:08<archon810>what's the cost per 100GB?
13:08<sent>don't recall
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13:09<sent>in the first 10TB block, it's 0.15/gb
13:09<archon810>just for transfer
13:09<archon810>i pay 5c
13:09<archon810>but I think maxcdn has storage plans too
13:09<sent>but you don't get to perpetually store :)
13:10<sent>the one thing i wish cloudfront could do
13:10<sent>is support https on cname
13:10<sent>but that runs into certificate complexity
13:10<archon810>ohai the ssh is up
13:10<akerl>when did it go down?
13:11<sent>archon810, how much traffic do you do a month?
13:11<archon810>about 45 min ago
13:11<archon810>right before kernel panic
13:11<archon810>but http still down
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13:11<sent>i assume your site's
13:11<archon810>sent: about 2TB
13:11<akerl>archon810: Your ssh daemon was up when you gave me your IP. the problem is between you and the DC
13:11<sent>2TB on maxcdn alone?
13:11<archon810>akerl: yeah, I know
13:11<archon810>just saying ssh wasn't up and now is for me, but http still not there
13:12<archon810>that's perplexing
13:12<archon810>ah http up now too
13:12<sent>your site is quite bloated
13:12<archon810>sent: I'd say like 1.5TB on maxcdn and 1TB on linode
13:12<sent>how many visits
13:12<sent>per month
13:13<sent>for that 1.5tb on maxcdn
13:13<akerl>!enter for the love of god/spagetti monsters
13:13<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
13:14<sent>so you're using about 1.5MB per visit
13:14<sent>1.6MB, rather
13:14<archon810>there's a lot of data
13:14<the|Navigator>for irony, linbot should say that on two lines
13:14<archon810>most images
13:14<archon810>WLW makes all images into PNGs
13:14<archon810>which are huge
13:15<archon810>I run optipng on the backend automatically
13:15<archon810>use minify and combine for CSS and JS
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13:15<archon810>I've tried to optimize a lot of things
13:15<sent>if you're making 10k a month
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13:15<@heckman>Apparently akerl just rage quit
13:15<BarkerJr>PNG is the only one of the three major images that has no pattent, right?
13:15<BarkerJr>heckman: we pressed enter too much for him :(
13:15<archon810>most of the slowdown comes from ads
13:16<sent>BarkerJr: afaik, yes, but what's to stop from someone claiming prior art? :(
13:16<archon810>ad networks can't optimize for shit
13:16<akerl>heckman: Negative. Tried to hit my hotkey for finder, total-failed, at did the super-q
13:16<archon810>sent: so what do you suggest?
13:16<@heckman>akerl: I used to do that until iTerm2 added an awesome "This is gonna close all your tabs" dialog box.
13:16<sent>archon810: nothing
13:16<@heckman>Saved me on countless occasions.
13:17<sent>archon810: these outages on linode account for very little of your total revenue per year
13:17<archon810>it's not the revenue I'm worried about
13:17<archon810>as much as the stress of dealing with it
13:17<archon810>and explaining to the users why they can't see the site
13:17<akerl>Out of curiousity, how resource intensive is a minecraft server? Would I be able to put one on a lightly loaded 512
13:18<@heckman>akerl: you'd need at least a 1536
13:18<@heckman>At least by the recommendations I've seen in here.
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13:18<sent>archon810: these are all part of running a site similar to yours, and it should be expected.
13:18<sent>archon810: you're not going to lose traffic over this, and there is nothing to be done. don't stress.
13:18<akerl>heckman: Ouch. I swear I've heard of people running FPS servers on less
13:18<@heckman>Are they written in Java?
13:19<archon810>3 major outages per month are expected?
13:19<akerl>Good point
13:19<akerl>archon810: Your site loads fine for us. This isn't an outage, it's a problem on comcast's end
13:19<sent>archon810: i suspect that you are russian
13:20<sent>because fwiw, linode has only has had one outage this month, and that was the may 6th PG&E outage
13:20<MrYiff>if its an issue then either move your node to another DC or as others have suggested setup a cross-DC HA setup
13:20<praetorian>who writes things in java these days. pfft.
13:20<sent>furthermore, you aren't listening to us. just because *you* can't reach your linode doesn't mean the rest of the world can't.
13:21<praetorian>its almost as redundant as coldfusion.
13:21<archon810>well, yes, except then it kernel panicked for some reason
13:21*heckman gives sent another cup of coffee
13:21<archon810>but I can blame linux for that
13:21<sent>that's a you error
13:21<sent>not a linode error
13:21<mwalling>archon810: today is the rapture. is that linodes fault too?
13:22<akerl>sent: I really wish I could beat you with a bag of enter keys.
13:22<@heckman>mwalling: put it on my tab
13:22*linbot dispenses a sixpack
13:22<mwalling>heckman: i'll pass it on, since i'm further east then you i'll see Him first
13:22<archon810>linode is dealing with zombies today, don't bother them
13:22<sent>akerl: your intolerance for multiple lines on a chat client or your apparent lack of screen real estate does not concern me!
13:22<AlexC_>sent: it is however, highly annoying ;)
13:22<@heckman>Also. It's six-pack Saturday. I need to go to pick up some beverages for this evening.
13:22<praetorian>heckman: James Squire.
13:23<praetorian>wonder if you ever have that state side.
13:23<sent>i've not heard of it.
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13:25<sent>yeah, just got dropped into prompts on my box
13:25<sent>so whatever issue there was, fixed :)
13:26<archon810>alright guys, it's been real
13:26<archon810>thanks for the help today
13:26<praetorian>rock on \m/
13:27<archon810>I hope I won't be back here for a long time
13:27<archon810>but not because I don't like you
13:27<praetorian>and same!
13:27<praetorian>personally i like the golden ale.
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13:30<ekes>Even the ratebeerians don't think it's bad 77 in style.
13:31<mtl^urass>stout beer is where it's at
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13:32<ekes>mtl^urass: then you'll agree with the overall high scores from the ratebeerians. Well there's a crazy skew towards hoppy strong stouts.
13:32<praetorian>interesting beer site
13:33<mtl^urass>i haven't tried that beer myself
13:33<@Perihelion>stout <3
13:33<praetorian>dark is a acquired taste
13:34<praetorian>i do like how red oak is #1 for .au
13:34<praetorian>red oak is also nice.
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13:39<BarkerJr>red oak or re doak?
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13:42<orudie>any word on atlanta ?
13:42<akerl>orudie: The rapture hasn't hit there yet.
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13:44<BarkerJr>ipv6 day is 2.5 weeks away!
13:45<karstensrage_alt>what are we supposed to do for ipv6 day?
13:46<akerl>Feel superior if we have working ipv6?
13:46<BarkerJr>ipv6 day is the day when you're supposed to add AAAA records to your hostnames that have A records now
13:47<hawk>If you haven't already
13:47<BarkerJr>i.e. dual stack
13:47<akerl>BarkerJr: I thought the idea was that you should have a working ipv6 implementation by then for your sites?
13:48<BarkerJr>right, but the A and AAAA records sharing the same hostname is the important part
13:49<BarkerJr>the goal of ipv6 day is to help websites know how many customers have broken ipv6, and customers to realize that they have the same
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13:52<BarkerJr>the more sites that participate, the more likely people will realize their computers/networks are broken and fix them
13:54<priyesh>so are sites going to stop ipv4 completely for 24 hours ?! :P
13:54<hawk>of course not
13:54<BarkerJr>no, they'll support both
13:54<priyesh>thought so
13:54<priyesh>they should display a banner to ipv4 visitors
13:55<priyesh>they're going to have to make a 'statement'
13:55<hawk>priyesh: The thing is that people who have broken ipv6 are the ones that will run into trouble
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13:55<hawk>priyesh: Not the ones that don't have ipv6
13:55<priyesh>hawk: oh... still a banner to ipv4 folks would make a difference
13:56<AlexC_>priyesh: not really, think of the amount of home users you'd annoy doing that - your friend down the road doesn't care what IPv6 is, and even if he did - he could not do anything about it
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13:56<hawk>Hopefully the major sites won't see any significant dropoff, and then they might just keep the AAAAs in place
13:57<priyesh>AlexC_: that's quite true, but it'd help spread the news
13:58<AlexC_>priyesh: the only news it would spread is to their local sysadmin friend being phoned up going "erm, some sites showing this banner for 6IPveee and that I need to use it? Is my computer broke?"
13:58<BarkerJr>the event is really only concerned with people whose computers will attempt to use ipv6 without routing
13:58<priyesh>hopefully ISPs think about supporting IPv6
13:59<praetorian>last i looked, my isp said Q4 for ipv6.
13:59<praetorian>Q4 2011 that is
13:59<AlexC_>2012 here for things to even start rolling out =\
13:59<AlexC_>so more like 2015 by the time I'll have one knowing them :P
13:59<@heckman>IPv4 will be the primary transport of the internet until, at least, the end of this decade.
13:59<BarkerJr>2012 is when the next end of the world is
13:59<@heckman>The world will be dependent on IPv4 for at least another 20 years.
14:00<praetorian>the level of dependency will vary
14:00<@heckman>If I am lucky. My 42st birthday present will be IPv4 going dark.
14:00<praetorian>heckman: what, in 5 years time?
14:00*praetorian winks.
14:00<@heckman>Multiply that by four, yes.
14:01<praetorian>168. the number of hours in a week
14:02<praetorian>i think we will see about 40% of traffic moving to ipv6 by 2013
14:02<@heckman>praetorian: I will be impressed if we reach that point.
14:03<@heckman>At this point, IPv6 has become a "chicken and the egg" problem.
14:03<praetorian>at this point? it's been like that since day dot.
14:03<hawk>heckman: I'd say it has been a chicken and the egg problem for a long time
14:04<@heckman>hawk: Sorry, I missed the "public" in there. Lol
14:04<praetorian>/At this point/ my atlanta linode is more a chicken and the egg problem
14:04<HoopyCat>definitely better than being a rooster vs. egg problem
14:05<praetorian>rooster may lay egggs before it gets it
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14:09<akerl>Ugh. Linode support has me spoiled. Just had a fios livechat person tell me that he has no idea when ipv6 will be implemented, but he promises I'll get an email when it is.
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14:10<praetorian>and if they never implement it, you dont have to worry about an email
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14:15<hawk>akerl: To be fair, linode wasn't really forthcoming about when it would happen either, until the actual announcement.
14:15<@heckman>Toes, we keep you on them.
14:16<akerl>hawk: True. But there's a serious trust difference between caker saying "It's in the works, you'll know when it's here" and the fios punk saying "We'll tell you when it's here"
14:16<akerl>Linode never tried to tell me that WEP was secure, or that I didn't need the router admin password
14:16<hawk>akerl: Heh.
14:17<@heckman>So I accidentally clicked "Suspend" on my Desktop running Ubuntu. I'm not sure what it's doing, but the HD is busy...and it's just sitting here for like a good two minutes now.
14:17<praetorian>dumping your ram to disk
14:17<praetorian>got much ram?
14:18<BarkerJr>is ipv6 automatic for everyone in supposted data centres now?
14:18<praetorian>heckman: so maybe its just taking a while to dump it
14:18<praetorian>surely there is a log fo this
14:18<@heckman>BarkerJr: What do you mean?
14:19<BarkerJr>the page says "Each Linode starts off with one global IPv6 address which is assigned using autoconfiguration."... it doesn't say you need a ticket for it now
14:19<akerl>"Open a support ticket and we will assign your Linode an IPv6 address."
14:19<BarkerJr>so the two topics are conflicting
14:20<linbot>praetorian: Now 22% full (about 7 hours remaining). Last emptied 3 hours ago, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
14:20<BarkerJr>confusing at best
14:20<hawk>BarkerJr: Which is the other one?
14:20<akerl>No, they're cumulative. You do the "get started" part, and then you proceed to the "get more" step
14:20<@heckman>praetorian: sucks for him
14:20<praetorian>sucks for who?
14:21<HoopyCat>i just set it to a 2-hour on/2-hour off duty cycle and upped the RH setpoint from 55% to 60%, btw, so i expect it'll last more than seven hours
14:21<BarkerJr>it says each linode yets an ipv6 automatically, which isn't true, you need a ticket for it
14:21<HoopyCat>basement has no water on the floor, no need for extreme mode
14:21<@heckman>BarkerJr: This is a case of over thinking.
14:21<praetorian>HoopyCat: aww.
14:21<hawk>BarkerJr: Well, it's possibly the "starts off" bit that could be misinterpreted, I guess
14:21<akerl>BarkerJr: Chain of events: You ask for ipv6. They automatically give you one. You ask for more ipv6. They manually give you more
14:22<@heckman>You ask for more after that, we set you on fire.
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14:22<praetorian>HoopyCat: i didnt actually think it tied in a real dehumidifier
14:22*heckman pushes the reboot button on his case
14:23<praetorian>you should use arch linux
14:23<praetorian>we will let you into archland
14:23<akerl>+1 for arch.
14:23<@heckman>Thinking about toying with it. But I run ATi graphics
14:23<@heckman>Gonna be a BOD to get working.
14:23<praetorian>it is anyway?
14:23<praetorian>silly ati.
14:23<@heckman>More so than usual.
14:24<HoopyCat>praetorian: it does. i built the sensor <>, wrote the microcontroller firmware, and all that. even uses IPv6
14:25<praetorian>i see the arduino in the background
14:25<hawk>HoopyCat: nifty
14:26<HoopyCat>praetorian: yup, still using the ardiuno. i could probably do it all from a parallel port, but i trust a $1.50 ATMega with timing loops a hell of a lot more than i do a full-blown PC
14:26<praetorian>seems HoopyCat doesnt remember the stupid numbers for his phone.
14:26<praetorian>haha :)
14:27<praetorian>yeah, and its alot more compact.
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14:30<HoopyCat>praetorian: next project i want to do is a pulse counter for the water heater's flow sensor
14:30<praetorian>Bad Boys Ravish Only Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly
14:30<praetorian>HoopyCat: mmm
14:30<praetorian>i have some arduino here.. .but ive yet to make anything with it
14:31<praetorian>basically because im unsure where to go.
14:31<praetorian>i.e. project wise.
14:32-!-tibra|away is now known as tibra
14:33<HoopyCat>was flipping through the service manual for the beast, and there's a nifty little table of test points, including the flow modulator feedback sensor or something like that. 0 to +5 volt square wave at a frequency proportional to the rate of water flow? challenge accepted
14:34<praetorian>i cant recall the mnemonic that i used to remember them by
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14:34<HoopyCat>praetorian: bad beer rots our young guts but vodka goes well
14:35<praetorian>not sure.. its been a while
14:35<praetorian>i did see that on a page i googled tho
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14:35<praetorian>(crap, its been 10 years)
14:35<HoopyCat>it's the one we were taught, because it is the only possible combination of those letters that isn't indecent
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14:36<praetorian>there are a few more. but probably not as rememberable
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14:38<praetorian>i do remembe rwithout looking that gold is +5%
14:38<praetorian>and silver is 10.
14:39<BarkerJr>well, you should buy pretty jewelry to be burried in after you get raptured
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14:40<HoopyCat>'course, being colorblind, it's pretty much a crapshoot for me. thank the jeebuses for multimeters :-)
14:40<praetorian>how colourblind are you?
14:41<HoopyCat>praetorian: nod... not too bad, just makes particular colors quite difficult to distinguish
14:42<foreverwondering>Comcast Philadelphia is out of IPv4 static addresses
14:42<praetorian>ok im going to sleep. its almost 5am
14:42<foreverwondering>good night
14:42<HoopyCat>praetorian: g'nite
14:43<foreverwondering>And their modems won't bridge without a static address (so no wonder they're out)
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14:46<nemeth>Hi, can anyone help me with a query regarding payment options?
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14:47<BarkerJr>nemeth: I'm not on the linode staff, but maybe I can help
14:48<nemeth>I already have signed the company I work for up for Linode and I wanted to sign up for myself but I have a visa debit. Is a credit card required?
14:48<nemeth>I live in the UK also
14:48<hawk>nemeth: The answer I have heard is that pretty much as long as the card has a visa logo, it should be ok
14:49<@Praefectus>nemeth: you can use any card with a visa/mc logo, so debit cards should work fine
14:49<nemeth>Thanks hawk + Praefectus, thats great news
14:50<nemeth> :)
14:50<@Praefectus>also, while you can use a paypal debit card, we don't take paypal
14:50<nemeth>ok , no problem. Thanks for your help.
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15:09<waldner>I have paid everything up to here. if I log in and choose "account" -> "make a payment", will that count as advance payment for the future?
15:09<@heckman>It will charge your card right now and add a credit to your account for that amount.
15:09<@heckman>That credit will then be used toward future invoices.
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15:10<waldner>I'm asking because I'll be without credit card for a few weeks, so I'm going to pay a few months now to not have interruptions. thanks
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15:13<Liru>Hrm. Anyone here? I have a few questions to ask...
15:13<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
15:14<Liru>Heh. A common occurence, I'm guessing.
15:15<@heckman>Liru: you could say that.
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15:16<Liru>I'm looking to get a linode for some basic sites/things with another person.
15:17<foreverwondering>Liru, do either of you know how to administrate a Linux server?
15:17<Liru>They have multiple domains and are concerned about transferring them over so that each site is supported once the transfer is complete
15:18<Liru>foreverwondering, I've toyed with Linux a bit on my desktop, but nothing server-wise. Most I've done is set up some cron scripts on a personal machine on mine, installed a Source server and played some games with friends.
15:18<Liru>Does that count?
15:18<akerl>Liru: Who is hosting your domains now? Linode is not a domain registrar, you just point your existing registrar's records to
15:19<Liru>My main concern though is technical support for him, should he need it, since I'm probably going to be the one getting it.
15:19<akerl>Linode is unmanaged, so your technical support is Google, prior knowledge, and voluntary help from people in this channel
15:19<Liru>akerl, his sites are being hosted on Dreamhost; the domains are bought on NameCheap.
15:20<Liru>Ah. So support tickets are for more administrative issues, then.
15:20<akerl>So you'd just get a server here, add the appropriate DNS records on Linode's end, and point Namecheap at
15:20<foreverwondering>Do you think your ready to administrate your own Linux server?
15:20<foreverwondering>Liru, yes, or anything that affects the host or network
15:20<akerl>Yes. Linode does an excellent job handling hardware/network stuff, and the ticket response time is generally 5-15 minutes. But they don't handle your server's internal configuration
15:21<Liru>foreverwondering, yes. My main issue wasn't my technical knowledge, it was support for him in case something happens to the linode on the admin side and I'm not around.
15:21<vraa_>i find it's faster to just get a response from this irc channel
15:21<vraa_>i've never filed a support ticket, one time at my old host i filed "what is 2+2" and i got a reply next week.
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15:25<Liru>Alright, thanks.
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15:25<the|Navigator>I wonder what linode's response would be if we filed a ticket asking what 2+2 was
15:27<SleePy>A very detailed explanation of the answer that never gives you the answer.
15:27<Liru>"For very large instances of 2"
15:27<akerl>Or for Inner Party members
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15:30<the|Navigator>wow, just got majorly hammered by NTP packets.
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15:30<the|Navigator>I average 5 a second, in the last minute got about 80 a second. Back to normal again.
15:30<the|Navigator>Evil badly configured things
15:30<opello>gimme all your times, this is a stick up!
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15:35<BarkerJr>this is why we need more servers in the ntp pool
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15:36<Keith>How easy is it to add a public NTP server tot he offical pool on in general if you use a Linode? I think that you can run public NTP servers on Linodes, correct?
15:37<BarkerJr>yeah, you just sign up on the ntp pool page and give them your ip
15:37<the|Navigator>Should I set up KoD?
15:40<BarkerJr>king of darkness?
15:42<the|Navigator>Actually, looks like it's already set up.
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15:51<dand>I've read the munin article. is it ok to install munin on the same linode with my webserver, db, app?
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15:52<Corren>!g munin
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15:53<Corren>!google munin
15:53<linbot>Corren: Munin - Trac: <>; Documentation - Munin - Trac: <>; Munin (network monitoring application) - Wikipedia, the free ...: <>; Huginn and Muninn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Munin | Download Munin software (1 more message)
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15:54<Corren>I'm just reading up on it
15:54<mwalling>is your browser broken?
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16:00<the|Navigator>dand: Munin has always worked fine for me, and I set up a new instance of it today on my Linode and it's running absolutely fine.
16:01<dand>the|Navigator: great, just didn't know if it is built to work on a separate machine or not
16:01<the|Navigator>It doesn't have to, no.
16:04<dand>the|Navigator: do you use munin behind apache or nginx?
16:04<rnowak>does that matter somehow?
16:05<the|Navigator>dand: Apache
16:05<dand>I'm looking for an nginx munin plugin
16:06<the|Navigator>dand: Have you tried nginx_status?
16:07<the|Navigator>dand: [ ]
16:07<dand>the|Navigator: I'm trying it now but looking for munin plugin to show it in a graph
16:07<dand>the|Navigator: you mean the plugin, I thought the nginx module
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16:08<the|Navigator>dand: If you're ever looking for a Munin plugin, the MuninExchange site is normally the best place to check.
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16:08<dand>the|Navigator: looks nice
16:09<dand>the|Navigator: I'll try to install nginx and mongodb now and see how it goes
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16:24<Jippi>Is there any alternatives to "Heatbeat" for HA?
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16:26<BarkerJr>what do you mean?
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16:30<Jippi>some more simple version of heartbeat.. it seems a bit complex to configure to be
16:30<Jippi>or the documentation is just plain bad
16:31<Jippi>I just want to execute a script on server1 when it notices that server2 is done
16:31<Jippi>I dont need floating ips or anything like all guides and docs seem to focus on
16:32<BarkerJr>this is what I do for my floating ip:
16:32<BarkerJr>ping6 -c 5 -w 30 2600:3c01::2:2100 > /dev/null
16:32<BarkerJr>if [ $? -eq 1 ]; then; ip address add dev eth0; arping -UI eth0 -qc 5; fi
16:33<Deezire>HB is not that hard, it's just very complex. Look at the docs at linode library
16:33<Jippi>Deezire: they all seem to focus on floating ips
16:33<Jippi>and/or IP failover
16:33<Deezire>just consult the hb docs then
16:34<Deezire>hb is just the transport layer, you need something like pacemaker to restart/start servers
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16:34<Jippi>hense my question for alternatives :) been looking at the docs for a few hours, haven't felt I got the full scope of it yet.. as confused as when I started
16:35<Deezire>Okey, let me get you quick-started then, if i still remeber, heartbeat is just a transport layer, you need a service to like pacemeker to actually start services on said event. The configuration is pretty complex, but when you get the hang of it it's pretty straight forward.
16:36<Jippi>But I don't want to start services, just want to run a script on "down" and "up" events on a list of nodes
16:37<Jippi>(need to re-mount nfs mounts if the slaves are using the server that just went down)
16:37<Deezire>Google pacemaker nfs, should give you tons of results
16:37<Jippi>yeah, so far all of them are floating ip soultions :)
16:38<Deezire>you just need to remount a NFS-volum when a server goes back online?
16:38<Deezire>you should be able to do this with NFS it self
16:38<Jippi>mount it to the second master when the other goes down, and mount it back to the primary server when its back
16:39<Deezire>Then just drop the part with the floating iP? :)
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16:44<KyleXY>heh, I hate finding myself rushing to add a records
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17:30<linbot>Thirty minutes remain.
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17:33<WoodWork>linbot: Is that until the world ends, or a new blog post by Staff?
17:35<mwalling>the world ends
17:35<WoodWork>It already ended here though.
17:37<k00pa>is there delay on the emails?
17:37<k00pa>forgot password to the linode manager
17:37<@jed>no - the way our Web site works, when you get confirmation that the mail is sent, it's already in the outbound queue
17:38<@jed>there's been sporadic complaints of delays but it usually ends up being the receiving end
17:38<k00pa>all right
17:38<k00pa>I am using gmail... so not much I can do about it
17:38<@jed>I use Google Apps and I'm switching for that reason
17:38<k00pa>weird, every other mail comes as it should but this won't
17:38<k00pa>the account activation mail came 7 days late... :/
17:38<@jed>between the interface itself taking ~60 seconds to load a tag and the delays I observe on incoming mail, it doesn't suit my needs any more
17:38<k00pa>oh there it is
17:40<k00pa>jed: and another quick question, is it okey if I let some process run at 100%?
17:40<@jed>100% what?
17:41<@jed>linodes have access to four cores, so if you're using 100%, you're only using one-fourth of your allotment
17:41<k00pa>yeah it only uses one core
17:41<@jed>the hosts have > 4, so it's unlikely that you'll negatively impact anyone else
17:41<k00pa>just checking that I can't overuse resources that are given to me
17:42<@jed>if you do, we'll let you know
17:42<@jed>CPU is our most underused resource, however
17:43<jkwood>linbot is the most overused.
17:43<dominikh>linbot is the most abused.
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17:47<FrostedLight>What is the default port for ZNC BNC WebAdmin?
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17:48<@Perihelion>I want to say 8080
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17:49<@Perihelion>wait, ZNC - it's whatever your BNC is listening on
17:50<FrostedLight>Not working on port 6000
17:50<FrostedLight>I specified Port 6000
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17:58<linbot>Two minutes remain.
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17:58<FrostedLight>My BNC went out there
17:59<linbot>Sixty seconds remain.
17:59<WoodWork>my clocks wrong!
17:59<matt->Sixty seconds of what?
17:59<WoodWork>End of the world.
17:59<linbot>Thirty seconds remain.
17:59<linbot>Fifteen seconds remain.
17:59<matt->Where's everyone?
17:59<@Perihelion>raptured :<
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18:00<WoodWork>Dinner TIME!
18:00<@jed>everybody should have /quit raptured
18:00<@Perihelion>D: I'm floating!
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18:00<@jed>Perihelion: I've seen you party, you're not getting taken
18:00<rnowak>I can see jebus
18:00<@jed>let's get real
18:00<mshuler>it's the python, Perihelion ;)
18:01<@Perihelion>You haven't really seen me party though
18:01<@Perihelion>Neither has Jesus thankfully
18:01<@jed>this is true.
18:01<@Perihelion>I'm going to hell for being a Buddhist aren't I :(
18:01<rnowak>are we dead yet?
18:02<matt->End of the world? I'm fine.
18:02<matt->WEll, my htop tells me CPU 3 has low activity levels..
18:02<straterra>i wasnt going anywhere anyway
18:03<matt->BNC Bugs
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18:04<BarkerJr>I don't know why everything thinks the world ends today
18:04<BarkerJr>the sinners aren't going to all be killed till october 21
18:04<straterra>SpaceHobo: worked fine for me :x
18:05<rnowak>web 3.0 bro
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18:10<BarkerJr>the earth is splitting appart, starting in iceland
18:11<mshuler>NOAA should have done a "follow the rapture" site.. - anyone spot a spoof anywhere?
18:14<linbot>HoopyCat: Now 43% full (about 3 hours remaining). Last emptied today at 15:10 UTC, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
18:14<HoopyCat>welp, always knew my dehumidifier was a godless heathen
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18:16<priyesh>HoopyCat: have you fitted some gadget in your dehumidifier?
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18:19<HoopyCat>priyesh: yes; it'll stop responding if it is raptured to a distance more than 3' away (due to cable length limitations)
18:19<mshuler>perhaps it should get a little drain tube job, so it doesn't have to be emptied manually
18:19<HoopyCat>mshuler: there is no floor drain
18:19<priyesh>HoopyCat: have you got a picture of it :P?
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18:23<mshuler>an automagically triggered aquarium pump could send that water anywhere - out a wall, up to the roof
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18:27<FrostedLight>Hmm, how would I get Apache and ZNC to use CPU 1..?
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18:31<mshuler>FrostedLight_: cup usage is dynamic by the kernel
18:31<mshuler>cpu, even
18:32<FrostedLight_>Damn, BNC forcing me to use this..
18:32<linbot>FrostedLight_: Now 44% full (about 3 hours remaining). Last emptied today at 15:10 UTC, last full today at 04:00 UTC after running for 10.4 hours.
18:32<dominikh>.. it is very much possible to set the CPU affinity
18:32<dominikh>esp useful for stuff that suffers heavily from being moved between CPUs
18:33<dominikh>for apache and znc, however, I do not see the need
18:33<FrostedLight_>Right, better get round to installing my IRC server..
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18:41<monsterb>where would I find info on Linode's mail server powered by Citadel or Courier?
18:41<pronto>monsterb: you need to hack it >.>
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18:44<monsterb>pronto: haha, I missed read Getmail page.
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18:47<rnowak>you just take all it up do read like always before a thing rapture end it well be.
18:50<jkwood>rnowak: Another carefully crafted sentence that's not readable by drunk people?
18:50<rnowak>jkwood: depends if drunk people can read it or not. I was not the creator of the original drunk-people unreadable sentence, though
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18:52<monsterb>rnowak: where can I download the drunk decoder?
18:53<rnowak>Funny you should ask that.
18:53<jkwood>On sale today?
18:54<rnowak>Only $99.99, today only! Buy two for the price of three, extra cheap!
18:54<monsterb>pretty sweet deal
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19:05<MattKelly>I just set up LAMP and pointed my domain to the linode nameservers-- how can I access my site in browser until the DNS changes propagate?
19:05<MattKelly>ie, http://[linode ip].com/[what goes here?]
19:06<KoFish>MattKelly: skip the .com bit
19:06<KoFish>http://[ip]/ is all you should need
19:06<MattKelly>ah, right sorry-- skipping the .com
19:06<MattKelly>what do I need to append to the IP?
19:06<KoFish>the protocol
19:07<BarkerJr>whatever you normally do
19:07<dominikh>that'd be prepending
19:07<KoFish>an ip-adress is as valid as host as
19:07<KoFish>dominikh: thank you for that clarification
19:08<MattKelly>I'm seeing "The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet."
19:08<MattKelly>but I have no idea where that's being served from (which folder?)
19:08<dominikh>since the web server will most likely look at the Host header.. edit your hosts file and add the ip/hostname
19:08<KoFish>MattKelly: you should probably begin with reading up on how webservers works
19:09<MattKelly>gah, I have-- I think the last time I
19:09<MattKelly>i've done this is pre-apache 2 though
19:10<MattKelly>ah, I think I see
19:13<BarkerJr>I think if you only have one domain, you should probably just not use virtualhosts, or at least make that domain the default (rather than the welcome)
19:13<BarkerJr>you probably really don't want the welcome screen anyway
19:14<MattKelly>yeah that's the problem I'm hitting
19:14<MattKelly>went through this guide:
19:14<MattKelly>it's going to var/www
19:14<MattKelly>if I hit the IP directly, but I need to get to /srv/www/[domain] --that won't happen until dns propagates
19:15<MattKelly>BarkerJr: seems like setting a virtual host has more flexibility
19:15<BarkerJr>so I guess just delete the welcome site from /etc/apache2/sites-available/
19:16<BarkerJr>I don't use ubuntu, so I don't know how sites-available works
19:16<MattKelly>i just did changed hosts, that works fine
19:16<MattKelly>no worries, I'm good to go
19:16<MattKelly>thanks guys
19:16<BarkerJr>k, np :)
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19:18<MattKelly>btw, newb linode user-- it rocks so far :)
19:19<BarkerJr>welcome :)
19:19<BarkerJr>by the way, anyone know if sites-available is an apache concept or a ubuntu one?
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19:20<MattKelly>BarkerJr: pretty sure it's an apache 2 concept
19:20<MattKelly>I don't think apache 1 had it
19:21<HIghoS>BarkerJr: That's a Debian thing, specifically.
19:21<HIghoS>It's how they've split their configuration files apart.
19:21<HIghoS>(and Ubuntu obviously followed suit)
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19:24<rnowak>sites-available is where you store your configurations, sites-enabled is where it reads them from. So they should be symlinked to that place, which you can and should use a2ensite / a2dissite for.
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19:26<BarkerJr>apache makes me put them all in /usr/local/apache2/conf/extras/http-vhosts.conf
19:29<BarkerJr>which is wrong in so many ways
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19:32<BarkerJr>not the least that it's not under /etc
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20:23<BarkerJr>can I use ext4 with centos?
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20:26<jkwood>You have my permission.
20:26<BarkerJr>it says mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'
20:27<mwalling>thats a function of your kernel supporting it, not your distro
20:28<BarkerJr>can I use ext4 with linode?
20:29<@ericoc>you can try
20:29<@ericoc>but don't depend on the resize tools or root password reset and other stuff in the linode manager
20:29<piwacet>I'm very new to vps Is it possible to install an arbitrary linux distro in linode, or should the "pre-cooked" defaults from linode be used?
20:29<linbot>jkwood: "custom" could be
20:30<linbot>Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode:
20:30<jkwood>I knew it was hiding there somewhere.
20:30<BarkerJr>ericoc: I was actually wanting to mount an ext3 file system as ext4, i.e. in compatibility mode
20:31*jkwood blinks
20:31<BarkerJr>it would still be ext3 for purposes of root password reset and resize
20:32<vraa_>do you think linode would ever shut my site down if there was a clearly illegitimate complaint?
20:33<vraa_>like "my photo was posted, plz shut down"
20:34<jkwood>If they get a DMCA takedown notice or the like, they'll open a ticket with you and resolve it that way.
20:34<vraa_>so i WILL be notified if something legit were to come up
20:34<@ericoc>we would open an abuse ticket and request a response in a certain amount of time
20:34<jkwood>Assuming federal agents don't raid the datacenter, yes.
20:35<@ericoc>in most cases
20:35<vraa_>yeah i dont think this is FBI level, basically this is the first forum i've ever created and some people are "angry" about it, they have no legal issues or anything
20:35<vraa_>i just wanted to double make sure, because i know shitty hosts will shoot first ask later
20:36<jkwood>Filing a fake DMCA notice is illegal.
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20:36<vraa_>i dont think this is copyright related, i just expect ppl butthurt to complain
20:36<vraa_>like "i got banned, so now i'm suing the host"
20:36<BarkerJr>the FBI is more likely to just confiscate the host and the 40 VPSes on it
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20:37<HoopyCat>i won't even ask what the topic is
20:38<BarkerJr>HoopyCat: child porn
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20:39<vraa_>feel free to sign up if you like cars
20:39<HoopyCat>why not something less controversial, like abortion or socialism?
20:39<HoopyCat>dunno why you kids always gotta host forums about the real hot-button issues
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20:42<vraa_>there are topics about controversial issues, i help admin (strictly server side) a 9/11 truthers forum
20:43<BarkerJr>I think I'd be more concerned about dos than abuse email
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20:49<vraa_>i have a linode i thought dos was impossible
20:49<FrrrstD>*Sob* It's 1:49 AM and i'm trying to set up an IRC server! I can't even see the keyboard.. *Sob*
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20:50<HoopyCat>it's pretty easy... add a CNAME record 'irc' to your domain, pointed at ''
20:50<FrrrstD>An IRC server, not a redirect..
20:51<HoopyCat>it already has services, and its own mwalling
20:51<FrrrstD>I've been playing with config files for 2 hours.
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20:51<FrrrstD>I will complete this,
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20:54<Petr>Hi. Can I please ask someone for a help with my SMTP outgoing emails on my linode machine?
20:55<FrrrstD>A simple tutorial.. Anyone? Please..
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20:57<dvgrhl>FrrrstD: there's lots of tutorials on Google, what do you mean?
20:57<Petr>Can I ask somebody a question regarding setting up my SMTP please?
20:58<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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20:58<FrrrstD>dvgrhl: I keep getting errors from UNreal..
20:58<Petr>What port should I set my outgoing SMTP for?
20:59<Petr>I would think 465, but it fails to connect that way.
20:59<Fieldy>it can only use 25, with rare exception
20:59<Petr>Incoming SMTP works well.
20:59<Petr>So the incoming SMTP is secure, but the outgoing is not?
20:59<BarkerJr>FrrrstD: there's your mistake... using unreal
21:00<Fieldy>i get TLS/SSL mail from other servers regularly on port 25... at least with exim it just figures it out.
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21:00<FrrrstD>Barker, but i have hybrid issues as well
21:01<FrrrstD>I need a fresh hybrid config file, a reinstall didn't do it, and I can't access my IRC server from anywhere but local machine.
21:01<Petr>I set it the port to 25 and "Normal Password" (no encryption) and it still fails - the connection times out.
21:02<sent>it's 6:00 pm PST
21:02<FrrrstD>(Irssi on the Linode)
21:02<sent>i feel funny
21:02<FrrrstD>2:02 here.
21:02<sent>HOLY SHIT, IT'S JESU
21:03<FrrrstD>Hybrid > Rapture
21:05<BarkerJr>how did dinosaurs get to heaven?
21:05<BarkerJr>the velocirapture
21:05<FrrrstD>Damn you Hybrid
21:05<Petr>Does anyone know why my outgoing connection to SMTP times out on port 25, but incoming works fine on the port 993?
21:09<Jerub>Petr: That's a complicated question, but you've provided two very separated datapoints. Considerably more information is required to dignose your problem.
21:10<Fieldy>i'm certainly confused about it
21:10<Petr>Jerub, can you tell me what you need to resolve this?
21:11<Petr>I simply followed the instructions in the online documentation and it works for the incoming SMTP, but not for the outgoing.
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21:12<Jerub>Petr: if you're diganosing a problem with your SMTP mail server, you need to check your MTA software is running, that it's listening, test using 'telnet' going both directions (with a seperate test on an unrelated host to make sure that the server you're trying to contact is listening), and check the state of the firewall on the machine.
21:12<Jerub>Petr: you should also be testing exclusively with port 25, port 993 is for imap, which is unrelated.
21:13<Fieldy>keep in mind this common pitfall: there are two distinct roles of "mail". the first is where mail servers send mail between each other, and that's your MTA. then there's where the user fetches it, and that's the MUA. the're different servers and use different ports and protocols.
21:15<Petr>I tried to "telnet 25" and the connection times out. I didn't set any firewall on the server, so I am not sure how to check (using IPTABLES)?
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21:16<Petr>I am trying it from a remote machne - not from inside my linode.
21:16<BarkerJr>should just be: iptables -L -nv
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21:17<Petr>Can I print the output of that command here?
21:17<Petr>I only see lines saying ACCEPT in the output.
21:17<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:17<BarkerJr>ah better use pastebin
21:17<Nivex>heckman: video is on its way up
21:17<FrostedLight>Anyone willing to guide me through installing ircd-hybrid? Don't tell me to google it,
21:18<dominikh>Then no.
21:18<BarkerJr>I used to use ultimateircd
21:19<Petr>I just pasted it into the
21:19<Petr>How do I get that to you?
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21:20<Petr>Send you the URL?
21:20<jkwood>Paste the url here.
21:20<BarkerJr>looks fine to me
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21:20<Petr>So this is not the problem.
21:21<Petr>I wish I knew more about this. I don't really know where else to look.
21:21<Petr>There is nothing in my mail.log about the connection.
21:21<Petr>That's becaus the connection times out, I guess.
21:22<BarkerJr>this is outgoing, right?
21:22<FrostedLight>My Ubuntu just woke up from Suspension, lost eth0
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21:27<BarkerJr>what's your ip, Petr?
21:28<Petr>Thanks for helping, BarkerJr.
21:28<BarkerJr>I was just checking blacklists, but it's not listed
21:29<FrostedLight>It's 2:31 and I give up.
21:29<dominikh>.. blacklists? he cannot connect, to 25.
21:31<BarkerJr>have you tried other servers?
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21:32<Petr>Sorry, what do you mean by other servers?
21:32<BarkerJr>for instancle, if you "telnet 25" does it timeout?
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21:32<Petr>Let's see
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21:32<BarkerJr>it should be connection refused, cause I don't run an MTA
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21:33<Petr>Here is the output: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Network is unreachable
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21:34<BarkerJr>maybe try
21:34<BarkerJr>looks like your ipv6 is broken
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21:35<Petr>Oh, this requires IPv6?
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21:36<BarkerJr>no, that's just a side comment. not related to the problem
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21:36<Petr>Connection time out - I specified the port 25
21:37<dominikh>you sure it's not your isp or firewall? I remember that AOL, a long time ago, blocked outgoing 25
21:37<@ericoc>a lot of residential ISPs block 25 out to any thing other than their own smtp servers
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21:37<Petr>I am in a cafe right now. I would bet they use comcast.
21:37<@ericoc>comcast does here
21:37<Petr>They block port 25?
21:37<dominikh>yey for stupid ISPs
21:38<Petr>That is! :(
21:38<@ericoc>im on residential comcast though, business at the office doesn't i'm pretty sure
21:38<Petr>Can I reconfigure it for another port?
21:38<Internat>depends what your douing. 25 should be used for mta to mta.
21:38<Internat>if your doing submission eg from your client it should be 465
21:38<Internat>with ssmtp
21:38<Petr>I need this to work everywhere. People in our company connect via phones, etc.
21:38<Petr>I tried that too
21:38<dominikh>people shouldn't run unencrypted smtp on 25, anyway :)
21:39<Petr>I agree, which is why I didn't want to use it in the first place.
21:39<Internat>dominikh: yers they should
21:39<Internat>otherwise mta's wouldnt be able to talk.
21:39<dominikh>Internat: definitely not for client to server...
21:39<Internat>correct. client communcations should be secure since its dealing with usernames and passwords
21:39<dominikh>Internat: you know, maybe stop taking things out of context and you wouldn't be contributing hot air :o
21:39<BarkerJr>comcast didn't block port 25 in the past... must be new
21:40<dominikh>and tbh, server to server should be encrypted where possible, too, because mails aren't exactly "oh everyone in between, read em"
21:40<Internat>im not taking anything out of context.
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21:41<Petr>Ok, I tried telnetting using the port 465. Here is the output: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
21:42<Internat>you can test telneting to on both 25 and 465 if you want
21:43<Petr>This worked for the port 465
21:43<Internat>ok good
21:43<Petr>What is the domain name that you sent me?
21:43<Internat>my linode :)
21:43<Petr>So, how does that help my linode? :)
21:43<Internat>so you can talk to things on 465, just means its a matter of setting up 465 on your linode
21:43<Internat>you running postfix?
21:44<Petr>With dovecot
21:44<Internat>in your /etc/postfix/ is the line that starts with smtps commented out?
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21:45<Petr>Indeed, yes.
21:45<Internat>might want to uncomment that and restart postfix :)
21:45<BarkerJr>comcast by me still doesn't block port 25
21:45<Petr>Thanks! I am totally new to postfix, so I didn't know about this.
21:45<BarkerJr>must be the cafe you're in
21:46<BarkerJr>comcast is awesome
21:46<ryansully>my crap isp blocks 25 :/
21:46<Internat>you will need to setup all yoru smtpd ssl keys if you havnt already
21:46<ryansully>they used to only block incoming
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21:47<Petr>I setup the keys using the instructions in the online documentations, not sure if it's related to what you are saying.
21:48<Internat>smtpd_tls_cert_file you should have that and a keyfile and maybe a ca file as well
21:48<Internat>an entry regarding that in your file
21:48<Petr>I will check. I just noticed from my log that these guys are using Verizon.
21:49<mwalling>residential ISPs should block outbound 25
21:50<Petr>smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-mail.pem
21:50<Internat>as much as that used to annoy me when i didnt have a host somewhere.. it does help combat the spam issuye
21:50<ryansully>why would you say that, mwalling
21:50<Petr>smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/ssl/private/ssl-mail.key
21:50<Internat>yep thats good petr :)
21:50<Petr>So now I will check that the files are actually at those paths.
21:50<BarkerJr>mwalling hates freedom
21:51<Internat>nah most spam bots, will spam out on port 25. so by blockign it at residential isps' your helping block spam
21:51<mwalling>ryansully: why not? why does the single mom down the street with a windows computer running pirated windows she got from a pimply faced nephew and no NATing firewall as even a minimal line of defence need unrestricted outbound port 25?
21:51<Internat>our blacklists at work, wont accept mail from anything thats been defined as a residential zone.
21:51<ryansully>not really, since you could just use the isp's smtp server? my isp blocks 25 and requires us use their smtp, except they have no auth on it
21:51<Petr>These files both exist
21:51<Petr>I am connecting via SSL/TSL
21:52<Internat>excellent petr! :)
21:52<BarkerJr>comcast has port 25 throttling and will block port 25 only after a certain threshold is reached
21:52<mwalling>BarkerJr: fine, i'm ok with that
21:52<Petr>"Normal Password" (unencrypted) and it still fails to send the email.
21:52<@ericoc>comcast only lets me use or whatever
21:52<Petr>Shall I use Encrypted Password?
21:52<ryansully>theres a fine line between limited and blocked
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21:53<@ericoc>but gmail is ssl so yay
21:53<Internat>that i dont know about :( which turtorial are you using
21:53<mwalling>ryansully: requiring the user to *manually* configure the ISPs SMTP relay is a barrier to that machine unknowingly sending crap directly to the targeted receiving server
21:54<Petr>This one:
21:54<Internat>your logs in /var/log/mail.log should be able to help you start refining where your error is
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21:54<Petr>Yeah, I already looked there.
21:54<BarkerJr>I guess I'm opposed to any sort of infringements on freedom
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21:55<Internat>its not really an infrigement.
21:55<ryansully>yay dead battery be dead.
21:55<BarkerJr>that includes ISPs blocking ports, TSA blocking passengers, and Iran blocking Twitter
21:55<mwalling>BarkerJr: what about speedlimits on highways?
21:55<Internat>givent hat when you have to setup your mail account you generally specifiy the server your connecting to etc.
21:55<Petr>My mail.log
21:55<mwalling>BarkerJr: speed limits on residential streets outside playgrounds?
21:55<Petr>Is there an extra log for postfix?
21:56<Internat>nah thats the one
21:56<mwalling>BarkerJr: do you think i should be able to cruise through there at 120 MPH? just because you can?
21:56<Internat>you wont be able to just telnet and type commands to the port on 465 though.
21:56<mwalling>er, I can
21:56<Internat>because its encrypted, you need to start an encrypted connection to it..
21:56<mwalling>Internat: theres an SSL telnet client thing
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21:56<mwalling>Internat: i jsut forgot what it was
21:56<BarkerJr>mwalling: do you actually slow down to 15mph on a 40mph street when you are near a school?
21:56<mwalling>BarkerJr: yes.
21:56<Petr>I am using SSL in my Thunderbird outgoing settings.
21:57<BarkerJr>mwalling: so you're the ahole that I was stuck behind :P
21:57<Internat>Petr: ok, and you told it to connect on port 465 and to use ssl?
21:57<mwalling>BarkerJr: can you account for the actions of every potential "target"?
21:57<mwalling>BarkerJr: or are you just going to mow them down?
21:57<BarkerJr>I think you can be too conservative
21:57<ryansully>ive gotta agree with barkerjr
21:57<mwalling>BarkerJr: do you go 40 in a 40 zone?
21:58<BarkerJr>a few kids getting run over versus the economic hit due to the slowdown
21:58<Internat>May 21 21:50:14 li323-88 dovecot: pop3-login: Disconnected (tried to use disabled plaintext auth): rip=, lip=
21:58<Petr>That would be a line from my log?
21:59<BarkerJr>a few hundred people getting killed, versus millions getting cancer from TSA checkpoints
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21:59<Internat>yep thats on line 8
21:59<Internat>thats trying to login via pop
21:59<mwalling>BarkerJr: HOLD UP
21:59<Internat>im not sure if thats you or not.
22:00<mwalling>Internat: we use #tardigans for this
22:00<BarkerJr>mwalling: yeah
22:00<Petr>That would not be me, though. That must be one of our other people's computers trying to connect to this server and check email.
22:00<mwalling>BarkerJr, ryansully, Internat (if you want): #tardigans for speedlimit vs port 25 restrictions discussion
22:00<Petr>We changed hosting, their email clients are still setup for the same email address.
22:01<BarkerJr>mwalling: no thx, I'm done trolling for now :)
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22:01<BarkerJr>I will create a website about it when I have time, though
22:02<mwalling>comeon, you cant throw up comparing port 25 restrictions to TSA checkpoints and let it slide
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22:03<Petr>Interestingly enough, when I try to telnet my mail server on 465, it works.
22:03<mwalling>Petr: thats... not good
22:04<Petr>And Thunderbird says "Connected to", but never sends the email.
22:07<Petr>Any ideas as to what I should check next? Sorry - this is a dragging issue.
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22:16<Petr>mwalling, are we still talking?
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22:16<Petr>You were helping me out with the outgoing email issue. It's still not working
22:17<mwalling>i was?
22:17<itsalltech>Hi. Do you think that running a WordPress blog under Apache will work well on Linode's 512 plan?
22:17<mwalling>itsalltech: yes
22:17<itsalltech>How much RAM would you estimate I would have left over?
22:17<ryansully>itsalltech: no doubt, even the plan below it
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22:18<itsalltech>I thought 512 is the lowest...
22:18<mwalling>ryansully: theres nothing below a 512
22:18<linbot>New news from forums: Slicehost vs Linode in Sales Questions and Answers <>
22:18<Petr>That was my impression. If not you, then BarkerJR was - you both were talking to me.
22:18<ryansully>oh right
22:18<ryansully>im thinking of the uh, 540?
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22:18<mwalling>ryansully: welcome to the plan upgrades we got months ago.
22:18<ryansully>haha yeah
22:19<mwalling>Petr: i mentioned that if you can use telnet to talk on 465, thats wrong. thats all i said
22:19<ryansully>itsalltech: you'll have no issues and plenty left over
22:19<BarkerJr>sorry, Petr, I really don't know
22:19<itsalltech>So, I'm not sure if you remember, but you were helping me last week in trying to decide if I should switch to Linode. I'm about to make the move and just have a few questions on the steps to get WordPress running.
22:19<itsalltech>First, I would follow the LAMP guide to make the server a Web server, correct?
22:19<ryansully>you install php, mysql, apache, add a vhost and move the wordpress files into place and setup
22:19<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
22:19<Petr>Ok, sorry then. This sucks. This should work - it's just an email setup. I am a developer, not so much a system admin :(.
22:19<mwalling>itsalltech: dont ask, do
22:20*FrostedLight <-- LiNewbie
22:20<itsalltech>ryansully: First, follow the LAMP guide?
22:21<ryansully>itsalltech: yeah that'd be step 1
22:21<ryansully>itsalltech: id recommend ubuntu for an os
22:21<Internat>Petr: i think it was me you were talking with :)
22:21<itsalltech>LTS or 10.10?
22:21<Petr>Yes, you too. I talked to three people simultaneously
22:22<Internat>it looked to me like either ssl isnt doing the right thing, or your client sent a command that wasnt accepted
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22:22<ryansully>itsalltech: uh, im running 10.04 LTS
22:22<mwalling>itsalltech: LTS
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22:22<itsalltech>The thing is that I already am hosting a WordPress site on shared hosting so I already have the databases and files backed up. Would I FTP the files onto my server and then install phpMyAdmin to import the databases?
22:22<Petr>I am simply trying to send an email from Thunderbird. The log says "lost connection after UNKNOWN from[]"
22:23<ryansully>itsalltech: wouldn't recommend
22:23<mwalling>itsalltech: FTP is bad.
22:23<Petr>That might help
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22:23<ryansully>itsalltech: your linode will have SSH (SFTP) by default, not FTP.
22:23<itsalltech>How would I get the files on, then? I already have them on another host's servers?
22:23<akerl>itsalltech: Doesn't WP have a built-in export/import function?
22:24<mwalling>itsalltech: use wordpress to export your blog as a wordpress backup file. install wordpress on the destination, and then import it
22:24<mwalling>itsalltech: check out the docs
22:24<mwalling>itsalltech: they cover wordpress stuff and transferign file stuff
22:24<itsalltech>Would using the WordPress export/import function include the databases AND files?
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22:24<mwalling>itsalltech: try it and see?
22:24<mwalling>(i think yes)
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22:25<ryansully>itsalltech: even if you mess up, you can always just wipe your linode and start fresh. don't worry about making a mistake
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22:26<itsalltech>The export in WordPress seems like it only covers database stuff, not files. The only files that I'm worried about are the folders with my uploaded images and my themes. How would I get those onto my Linode server?
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22:27<ryansully>SFTP protocol?
22:27<itsalltech>Which could be done via an app like CyberDuck, right?
22:27<ryansully>uh probably
22:28<mwalling>itsalltech: yes.
22:28<itsalltech>Switching from my current Web host to Linode is as easy as pointing to Linode DNS servers, right?
22:28<mwalling>itsalltech: once you set up DNS in the linode control panel
22:28<foreverwondering>itsalltech? No
22:29<foreverwondering>You also have to set up linode to be a webserver configured how you want
22:30<itsalltech>Again, setting it up as a web server is following LAMP guide, right? So, now I'm a little confused. What exactly would I have to do to switch to Linode as being my host
22:30<akerl>itsalltech: You can configure your linode, configure the linode dns manager, and then, after testing via IP, point your domain name at linode's nameservers.
22:30<mwalling>itsalltech: dont forget about !7day. throw in the library articles, keep your old shared host up for a comple days, and try it out a couple times.
22:32<itsalltech>So, I'll be able to get everything setup, type in the public IP address of my Linode and test the entire site, while having it up on the shared host, correct?
22:34<linbot>New news from forums: Great performance, OK for FTP type access, lousy for shell in Customer Testimonials <>
22:34<mwalling>or get a throwaway domain (or a dyndns domain) so you dont have to use the ip address
22:34<akerl>itsalltech: Yes. Some of the permalink stuff may not work correctly over ip, I'm not sure how well wp handles it. But it's even possible to designate to the linode, without modifying your existing setup
22:35<mwalling>(then to go production, just search and replace with
22:35<itsalltech>Yes, the first time I switched hosts, WordPress didn't handle the links well, but the site still loaded.
22:35<foreverwondering>it's all tech, try configuring a web server in your distro of choice in virtual box. That's how you set up linode
22:36<itsalltech>Next. As far as importing databases go, I'd like to use phpMyAdmin since it's the one I'm familiar with. How much RAM would that take up?
22:36<mwalling>itsalltech: in theory, none?
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22:36<HoopyCat>zero, unless you're using it right then, usually. more or less
22:36<itsalltech>I tried setting up Ubuntu Server in VirtualBox on Mac OS X, but I only got a black screen when I booted up the image...
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22:37<foreverwondering>it's all tech, a blank screen with a command prompt?
22:37<itsalltech>Nope. Just a blank screen...
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22:38<mwalling>foreverwondering: there are no spaces in his name, you're breaking the hilighting of the CGI:IRC app.
22:38<itsalltech>If you can wait a few minutes, I can re-download everything and you can follow me through the steps.
22:38<foreverwondering>Did it look like this?
22:39<itsalltech>No, there is no text on the screen...just a black screen.
22:39<foreverwondering>mwalling, I know, I'm just tried and wasn't thinking...
22:39<mwalling>foreverwondering: try the "tab" key.
22:39<akerl>itsalltech: If you want to use phpmyadmin rather than cli, I'd definitely recommend using ssh tunnels and only running it on the localhost
22:39<foreverwondering>didn't realize I did that till you said so
22:39<foreverwondering>words to fingers, you know....
22:39<itsalltech>how would I import databases through CLI?
22:40<akerl>When you export it, make sure your existing phpadmin adds all the CREATE's and whatnot. Then, just input the .sql into the mysql client
22:41<mwalling>itsalltech: "mysql -u$USER -p$PASSWORD $DATABASE < sqldump.sql"
22:41<mwalling>itsalltech: that easy.
22:41<HoopyCat>press to test, release to detonate
22:41<itsalltech>Where would it grab the database backup in that code, though>
22:42<mwalling>that would be the file you downloaded, like akerl said, with the schema and data from PMA
22:42<mwalling>(on your old host)
22:43<itsalltech>Where should that .sql file be located though? Sorry for all these "stupid" questions, just trying to get an idea of everything.
22:43<mwalling>itsalltech: you'd download it from the database on your old host, then uplaod it with cyberduck
22:43<akerl>phpmyadmin can export you a pretty .sql file with all the info and schema from your existing db. You then sftp it to your linode, install mysql, and import it with the line above
22:43<foreverwondering>wherever, as long as you in the same directory
22:44<itsalltech>So, I would change out that "sqldump.sql" with a URL to the actual file on the server?
22:44<mwalling>no, it has to be a real file
22:44<mwalling>does your old host have PMA?
22:44<akerl>no... It's the actual location of the file on the server
22:44<mwalling>akerl: well..... curl magic ;)
22:44<akerl>itsalltech: I feel like you need to actually try this out. Grab the linode, your backup file, etc. and see what happens. It's much easier for us to troubleshoot then to teach you everything in a shotgun attack
22:45<mwalling>PUMP SHOTTY! BACK DOOR!
22:45<itsalltech>Yes, my host does have PMA. I feel the same way, just want the basics first.
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22:45<foreverwondering>itsalltech, try reading a book
22:45<mwalling>wow, someone's helpful
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22:46<HoopyCat>phew, getting late in the day, almost forgot my usual advice
22:46<akerl>itsalltech: The problem you're running into is that it's not realistically possible for us to, using text over IRC, cram you full of all of our combined knowledge and strategies for doing this stuff.
22:47<HoopyCat>itsalltech: take a peek at MySQL Workbench, as an alternative to phpMyAdmin
22:47<foreverwondering>Really, if you want to learn the basics of linux, the best way is to read a well written book on the subject while trying stuff yourself
22:47<HoopyCat>it is chock full of awesome
22:47<mwalling>itsalltech: espically since there are 3 of us helping (and 1 troll), and the three of us do it 3 different ways.
22:48<HoopyCat>(am i the troll?)
22:48<mwalling>itsalltech: i deploy all of my servers with a stackscript that bootstraps puppet, then phones up to my puppet server to get instructions on how to deploy. i'm *SURE* that is not what you want to do.
22:48<mwalling>HoopyCat: no
22:48<jkwood>HoopyCat: Nope, that would be me.
22:48<akerl>if you can't pick out the troll in the room, it's probably you
22:48<itsalltech>OK guys. I think that's what I am going to do. Thanks for ALL the help! I'll be sure to ask if I run into issues down the road.
22:48*jkwood recommends using Slackware in order to learn the basics of Linux
22:49<akerl>jkwood: ouch. that's harsh
22:49<mwalling>itsalltech: like i said (twice), dont forget about 7day, although you seem reasonable competant and can probably pull it off :)
22:49<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
22:49<mwalling>akerl: hey, its true.
22:49<HoopyCat>i have a chef recipe that pulls a mysql dump off of S3 and deploys it locally, then starts the thing up as a replication slave
22:49<akerl>itsalltech: As a premptive warning, when you come back with problems (which is expected), complete error messages rule, don't forget google, and pastebin your configs
22:49<HoopyCat>so, uhh, that's another way to do it! :-)
22:49<jkwood>mwalling used to use Slackware before he had his lobotomy.
22:50<foreverwondering>mwalling, encouraging people who can't swim to jump in the deep end is trolling
22:50<jkwood>Deep end my butt.
22:50<akerl>What's in the deep end of your butt?
22:50<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
22:50<mwalling>akerl: there are a lot of times when i'm doing nitty gritty crazy shit in debuntu or centos and i think "it was so easy in slackware"
22:50<jkwood>Yes, that came out the wrong way.
22:51<@Praefectus>jkwood: your mouth?
22:51<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
22:51<akerl>What makes slackware that way? Just the lack of distro-specific-ness?
22:51<mwalling>akerl: lack of magic.
22:51<HoopyCat>there is a metric buttload of magic in debian/ubuntu
22:51<mwalling>akerl: idk, i could walk through the whole thing and really understand the internals. hell, the package manager is a collection of bash scripts
22:51<jkwood>Sane defaults, no getting in your way, and not overwhelming you with choices in areas you shouldn't be overwhelmed (while giving the freedom to use whatever the heck you want.)
22:52<akerl>I ask because I've been working with arch recently, and am amazed at the amount of modification between the arch packages and deb/ubu equivalents
22:52<mwalling>akerl: arch has more or less?
22:52<HoopyCat>it's kinda like an inverse ballmer peak... either no magic or a metric buttload of magic == win, but distros that land in the middle (hi, RHEL) suck
22:52<akerl>mwalling: Arch has less, by a large margin
22:52<mwalling>akerl: also, watch out, this is where jkwood points out the debian SSH "bug"
22:52<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.23873074, 0.53029511) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17752 of 22571 (π ≈ 3.145983784502238 - 0.004391130912444)
22:53<HoopyCat>IT LIVES
22:53*HoopyCat should ab that again
22:53<jkwood>Wait, it's actually moving TOWARDS pi?
22:53<jkwood>This is a great day for humanity.
22:53<mwalling>akerl: slackware was the same way, the only time they included patches was when there were compile issues or small changes for the file system layout stuff
22:53<akerl>I was shocked when there wasn't an addgroup :p
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22:54<mwalling>yeah, really... who the hell remembers how to use useradd
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22:55*jkwood recommends groupmod instead
22:55<HoopyCat>groupmod always makes me think of the free love era
22:55*HoopyCat just kinda rule 34s his way through his job
22:55<jkwood>Erm... gpasswd, not groupmod.
22:56<HoopyCat>jkwood: you sick fck
22:56*jkwood actually doesn't mess with groups a whole heck of a lot
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22:57<jkwood>In keeping with my background as a black-belt screwup, I always review documentation before attempting such tasks.
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23:00<jkwood>I also review the documentation before patching security software to satisfy valgrind.
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23:02<mwalling>akerl: ^^ there it is
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23:06<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.62048434, 0.87799470) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 28787 of 36598 (π ≈ 3.146292147111864 - 0.004699493522071)
23:06<HoopyCat>... might be time to check those random libraries again
23:07<dcraig>I hate when I fall outside the unit circle
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23:23<_aaronpk>anyone had any experience with
23:24<jkwood>That name sounds familiar.
23:25<_aaronpk>He's in Portland, I'm in Portland, he uses the same data center that my one physical machine is in so I get 0.5ms ping time between the machines.
23:25<akerl>eww, openvz?
23:25<_aaronpk>tell me more...
23:26<jkwood>Oh yes, the people who run KDE on your server for you.
23:26<akerl>Thats... kind... of them
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23:27<jkwood>vnc administration... no wonder they offer so much bandwidth.
23:28<jkwood>No Slackware, which is an obvious defect.
23:29<_aaronpk>i'm super skeptical of using any VPS provider other than Linode :)
23:29<_aaronpk>if you can give me a reason not to try I'll be really happy
23:30<jkwood>Burstable RAM really, really sucks. And OpenVZ means almost guaranteed overselling.
23:30<jkwood>Especially at those prices.
23:30<_aaronpk>so far the benefits are: cheaper, and faster ping times to my other server. I'll be doing mysql replication from my physical machine to multiple VPSs
23:30<@Perihelion>Basically, no other VPS provider offers Perihelion.
23:30<@Perihelion>That alone is reason enough to stick with Linode.
23:31<akerl>_aaronpk: overselling and openvz crap isn't enough reason
23:32<_aaronpk>I get 15ms ping between Fremont and Portland, has anybody run mysql replication over a connection with those pings?
23:33<dr_jkl>i have never ever ever ever ever had problems with linode.
23:33<_aaronpk>dr_jkl: me either, tho I have had problems with Fremont (ahem, HE)
23:34<gadams>HoopyCat, ping?
23:35<jkwood>My suspicion is that, with those prices and that storage space, they're using some sort of SAN for their data, which is going to slow things down on that side.
23:35<jkwood>"Guaranteed CPU" probably means that they limit the amount of CPU you can use, as well.
23:36<@Praefectus>jkwood: where do you see guaranteed cpu?
23:38<jkwood>"Each Virtual Machine shares CPU cores from the host machine, guaranteeing a equal share of resource allotment." Frequent Questions, under "What about your virtual servers?"
23:38<@Praefectus>ya, that says equal share of the cpu, not guaranteed cpu as in you get this much but can burst to X
23:39<@Praefectus>but its still openvz
23:39<jkwood>It's just worded oddly.
23:40<@Praefectus>see previous statement lol
23:41<jkwood>No refund policy, apparently.
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23:45<jkwood>gadams: I believe HoopyCat is becoming one with his pillow at this time.
23:45<gadams>jkwood, I figured.
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23:46<gadams>Wouldn't have a excellent resource to teach about MySQL servers and replication would you jkwood?
23:47<piwacet>I'm just learning about Xen - does anyone know how much modification linode makes to it's pre-provided distributions? In other words, if I run the LTS Ubuntu, I assume the kernel is modified from the stock Ubuntu kernel to work with Xen; are other files modified?
23:47<_aaronpk>gadams: check out some of my bookmarks as I've been figuring mysql replication out
23:47<jkwood>Nothing else is modified, just the kernel, which is provided through Xen.
23:47<piwacet>I see.
23:47<jkwood>gadams: This looks nifty:
23:48<piwacet>So I could install the stock ubuntu, only needing to change the kernel to their "virtual-kernel" package which supports Xen.
23:48<piwacet>That should theoretically work as well...
23:48<linbot>Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode:
23:49<piwacet>Thanks, I saw that link. That's what I've been mulling over
23:50<piwacet>I think I get it now. Thanks!
23:50<jkwood>Essentially, on Linode, you do one of two things. Either you use their kernels, which work with pretty much any distro ever, or you provide your own through pv-grub.
23:50<jkwood>Which, as I understand it, is a pain in the neck.
23:51<piwacet>On some wiki I read that Xen required a modified kernel as well as modified libraries for the guest,
23:51<piwacet>but maybe that was out of date.
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23:54<jkwood>Not to my knowledge, though that's a drop in the bucket compared to some of the other regulars.
23:55<Smark>So I upgraded Ubuntu version and it looks like perl was upgraded too. Since then it looks like my @INC folders in perl have been changes and no longer include where the Munin scrips are. Reinstall perl and reinstalling munin hasn't helped. a "find / -name" is not returning any results even though the error is as follow: Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl ....
23:55<piwacet>jkwood: appreciate your help!
23:55<Smark>I upgraded to 11.04 if that is pertinent
23:56<Smark>So how do I correct this problem?
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23:57<jkwood>Smark: Did you try find / -iname ?
23:58<Smark>i will try that now. iname = case insensitivity?
23:58<Smark>returns nothing
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.48003288, 0.62702704) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 50174 of 63764 (π ≈ 3.147481337431780 - 0.005888683841987)
23:59<jkwood>Well, I'm stumped then.
23:59*jkwood knows nothing about Munin
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