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---Logopened Thu May 26 00:00:00 2011
---Daychanged Thu May 26 2011
00:00<linbot>dcraig: Point (0.47288651, 0.78857185) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 50181 of 63773 (π ≈ 3.147476204663416 - 0.005883551073623)
00:00<dcraig>woohoo, I love when the point is in the unit circle
00:03<encode>Ankit: to avoid the annoying case where people feel compelled to type "first post" or some similar variant, when chanlog rotates the log files
00:05<bob2>also sometimes it is because people you have on /ignore trigger it
00:07<Ankit>ah, didn't know it was linked to VS_ChanLog
00:08<echoline>ahhhh
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00:13<DrJ>what is linode's "grace" period for payments
00:14<bob2>ime few days, file a ticket to discuss beyond that
00:14<DrJ>ime?
00:14<bob2>in my experience
00:15<DrJ>ah
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00:16<newnick>Hello
00:17<@Praefectus>DrJ: suspended on the 10th, deleted on the 20th, you can put a ticket in if you need a few more days though
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00:17<DrJ>I -might- need 3 days
00:17<MTecknology>k peeps- can we generate a little more often than ever 15min~?
00:17<@Praefectus>DrJ: jus put in a ticket if you do
00:18<MTecknology>taking longer than 1min is just unasseptible
00:18<Ankit>udderly unasseptible, I agree
00:18*Praefectus changes generation to 16 minutes
00:19<Ankit>generate what, anyway?
00:19<DrJ>Praefectus: if you put in a ticket do they make it so your not charged till then?
00:19*Praefectus has no clue
00:20<@Praefectus>DrJ: check pm
00:20<MTecknology>Ankit: dns
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00:21<MTecknology>Praefectus: I'm not serious- 15min is pretty good
00:22<@Praefectus>i know
00:22*Praefectus was serious about changing it to 16 minutes though
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00:23<MTecknology>err... Ankit*
00:23<MTecknology>Praefectus: what would that change?
00:23<Ankit>it would blow your mind
00:23<Liru>Was there a major change in the way nginx is configured since it became v1.0.0?
00:23<@Praefectus>^
00:23<Ankit>Liru the test page looks more like Apache's now :P
00:23<MTecknology>Liru: no
00:24<MTecknology>Liru: approximately two bugs resolved
00:24<Liru>Then I must be doing something very wrong since I can't seem to get multiple domains running on one node
00:24<MTecknology>http://nginx.org/en/CHANGES
00:24<MTecknology>1.0.3 just out today
00:24<Ankit>do linodes run on 1gbit pipes?
00:24<Liru>Anything in the default directory works normally
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00:25<Liru>Anything outside of it, say /home/liru/www/<site>/, gives a 403 when trying to access it
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00:25<MTecknology>Liru: pastebin your config
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00:26<Liru>So I'm probably doing something stupid if not much changed
00:26<bob2>Ankit: believe so, but you're capped at 50mbit/s in one direction
00:26<Ankit>I'm pretty dumb/useless at this kind of thing but have you given /<site>/ the right chmod?
00:26<Ankit>bob2: got it
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00:29<Liru>MTecknology: http://pastebin.com/iHfKGEVM
00:30<MTecknology>Liru: what isn't working?
00:30<Liru>Ankit: Just to test, I gave it 777
00:30<MTecknology>never ever use 777
00:30<MTecknology>Liru: ah... i bet i know
00:30<Liru>MTecknology: Attempting to access colorclam.net (not actually registered yet) gives a 403
00:31<Liru>And I also tried 744
00:31<MTecknology>Liru: line #1
00:31<Liru>And 755
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00:31<Liru>Yes? What of it?
00:31<Liru>I made an nginx user.
00:31<MTecknology>chown -R nginx:nginx /home/aoi/www/colorclam.net
00:32<Ankit>chmod, chown, I was on the right path :v
00:32<MTecknology>and make sure the nginx user can read /home/aoi/www too
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00:36<MTecknology>what's funny... I don't even have irssi installed on the server I'm using irssi on
00:36<Liru>Still nothing.
00:36<Liru>...how is that possible?
00:36<MTecknology>and you checked your logs?
00:37<Liru>Yes.
00:38<MTecknology>and?
00:38<Liru>"/home/aoi/www/colorclam.net/index.html" is forbidden (13: Permission denied), client: <my IP>, server: colorclam.net, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", host: "colorclam.net"
00:39<MTecknology>su - nginx
00:39<MTecknology>cd /home/aoi/www/colorclam.net/
00:39<MTecknology>it won't work
00:39<MTecknology>make it work
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00:41<bob2>:/
00:41<bob2>what on earth
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00:42<MTecknology>wow... my internet connection is horrible.. apparently
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00:44<Liru>MTecknology: [root@sleepynode www]# su - nginx
00:44<Liru>su: warning: cannot change directory to /home/nginx: No such file or directory
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00:45<Ankit>use /home/aoi
00:45<Ankit>not /home/nginx
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00:45<MTecknology>Liru: I think you need a Linux primer session (no offense intended)
00:46<Liru>What, because I'm logged in as root?
00:46<checkers>no
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00:46<checkers>because you don't know how to fix a relatively trivial problem
00:46<Liru>Yeah, that too.
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00:47<echoline>fighting makes baby jesus cry :'(
00:47<checkers>you need to give the nginx user permission to access the file mentioned in the error log line
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00:47<checkers>echoline: crying makes baby fighting jesus
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00:48<Liru>I'm going to try wiping and restarting. Maybe it will go better if I have to go from scratch again.
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00:48<MTecknology>any ideas how I could sync all of my gmail data (contacts/email/folders) to another gmail account?
00:49<checkers>iimapsync
00:49<MTecknology>are contacts stored that way?
00:50<checkers>I don't think so, but there's a big 'export' button in the UI IIRC
00:50<checkers>you'll also want to handle filters in the same way
00:50<MTecknology>seems like there's some issues with the ubuntu repos and i can't install anything :(
00:50<MTecknology>no need for filters anymore
00:51<MTecknology>i'm moving away forever and ever
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00:51<Ankit>contacts in gmail are super easy to import/export
00:51<MTecknology>apparently so
00:52<MTecknology>last i heard it was a highly requested feature :P
00:52<bob2>protip: if you're doing 'su - nginx' you are likely on the wrong path
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00:52<Liru>Yeah, thought as much.
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01:05<Newb>i installed railda django on ubuntu and get apache to run the .py or. rb files or even rhtl
01:06<echoline>Newb: i see i see
01:06<bob2>php is speshul
01:06<bob2>no other language works like that
01:07<Newb>unable to get apache to run .py or .rhtml or .rb files
01:07<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
01:07<echoline>there are no stack scripts for slackware? :(
01:07<bob2>Newb: that's fine
01:07<echoline>mikegrb: i am leaning towards it for this, yes
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01:07<bob2>Newb: django: http://library.linode.com/frameworks/django-apache-mod-wsgi/ubuntu-10.04-lucid
01:08<bob2>Newb: rails: http://library.linode.com/frameworks/ruby-on-rails-apache/ubuntu-10.04-lucid
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01:08<Newb>i followed those instructions to the letter, but still no luck :(
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01:08<Newb>have rebuilt the server 3 times even
01:09<Newb>php and htm files r fine
01:09<bob2>Newb: you don't need to rebuild the server even once
01:09<Newb>but py and rb, no luck
01:09<bob2>Newb: but again: no language works like php except php
01:09<Newb>true that
01:09<bob2>Newb: for rails and django, you configure apache for the application
01:09<bob2>Newb: you don't just throw random .py and .rb files on disk
01:10<Newb>i did configure apache according to the instructions
01:10<rnowak>bob2.py \o/
01:10<Newb>r there and lines i should add in apache
01:10<Newb>so whats the missing step
01:11<bob2>the missing step is configuring things correctly for each app
01:11<Newb>to configuring apache for py and rb
01:11<bob2>stop it, please
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01:11<Newb>i don't see anything in the docs for that step
01:11<bob2>you're not configuring apache to run .rb and .py files on disk
01:11<Newb>agreed
01:12<bob2>so, please stop suggesting that
01:12<Newb>i'm trying to execute them via the browser
01:12<Newb>but the browser offers to download them
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01:12*rnowak facedesk
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01:13<bob2>Newb: stop
01:13<bob2>Newb: you need to set the correct WSGIScriptAlias line
01:13<bob2>Newb: have you done that?
01:13<echoline>Newb: don't listen to these nerd bullies
01:13<Newb>yes, but when i do that, nothing works
01:14<bob2>Newb: http://paste.pocoo.org/ your apache config file
01:14<rnowak>it will be a bit problematic for him if he doesn't have applications as wsgi wants them but just random py files
01:14<bob2>he/she mentioned django explicitly
01:15<@heckman>!heckman
01:15<linbot>Heck, man, what do I look like, a psëudøviking? http://on.fb.me/gUM23X
01:15<rnowak>bob2: oh, missed that part
01:15<bob2>but good point
01:15<bob2>Newb: you have a django app you're trying to run?
01:15<Newb>i'm trying to learn django w a test app
01:16<bob2>Newb: the app works on your desktop?
01:16<echoline>heckman: !!
01:16*echoline hugs
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01:16<Newb>haven't got that far :)
01:16<bob2>do that bit first
01:16<Newb>k
01:16<bob2>no need to use apache for development
01:17<@heckman>How goes it echoline ?
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01:17<echoline>heckman: good good, you?
01:17<Newb>whats easiest way to use it local, any local stack you'd recommend
01:17<echoline>heckman: got a linode today :)
01:17<bob2>Newb: none
01:18<bob2>Newb: django comes with a toy web server for development
01:18<@heckman>Pretty good. Working on some BASH script stuff for my IPv6 tunnel (in between tickets). Sweet, what distro you'd go with?
01:18<Newb>i'm on mac osx 10.4 tiger
01:19<Newb>i think ur idea is best, learn it locally
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01:20<echoline>heckman: haven't even decided yet, but i am leaning towards slackware for ol' time's sake
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01:20<@heckman>Haha. I didn't know people still use slackware
01:20<echoline>heckman: yeah, been getting that :P
01:21<echoline>heckman: i am glad you offer it though
01:21<echoline>heckman: and, i haven't used it since slackware 11 or so
01:21<Newb>how about rails
01:21<@heckman>Seems Ubuntu has broken 50% for Linode.
01:21<echoline>for trains?
01:21<@heckman>Jeez
01:21<echoline>:P
01:21<@heckman>57% of deployments are Ubuntu
01:22<Newb>.rb, .rhtml files not executing in browser
01:22<echoline>heckman: doesn't surprise me at all
01:22<k00pa>I dont get ubuntu on servers, why not just use debian instead?
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01:22<rnowak>I hereby declare today, the 26th of May, a Debian Appreciation Day! ... like any other day!
01:22<echoline>k00pa: ubuntu is what most linux users start with these days
01:23<echoline>rnowak: gnutard <3
01:23<k00pa>yeaah, but its just debian with better ui and stuff
01:23<k00pa>what advantages it has over debian on server side?
01:23<rnowak>"better ui and stuff"
01:23*rnowak facedesk
01:23<@heckman>k00pa: I mean, I'm not sure if it's a benefit but the packages are fresher.
01:23*heckman also has had Ubuntu eat itself on a few occasions
01:23<k00pa>hmm ye that
01:24<k00pa>but stability is more important imo
01:24<echoline>on a server... perhaps ;)
01:24<k00pa>yah
01:24<rnowak>I'd like stability on my workstation as well :p
01:24<@heckman>I use Ubuntu on my PCs at home just because the packages are newer. Server-stuff I try to stay with Debian. If I need a newer kernel (like I did on my IPv6 gateway project) I just backport.
01:24<k00pa>isn't that what we are talking about? :P
01:24<k00pa>well yeah on normal comp I use kubuntu
01:25<@heckman>I'm sticking with Gnome Panel for now.
01:25<rnowak>F*** YEAH UBUNTU UNITY!
01:25<k00pa>k
01:25<@heckman>no mohawk
01:25<rnowak>heckman: come on, it brings me a lot of joy reading the ubuntu forums with people crying about it.
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01:26<@heckman>rnowak: It's easy to turn off, just change your session at the GDM
01:26<rnowak>schadenfreude best freude
01:26<praetorian>hmm msn just died
01:26<echoline>rnowak: what's that
01:26<rnowak>heckman: it is indeed, and I told you that a few weeks ago ;p
01:26<@heckman>I know
01:27<rnowak>echoline: what is what?
01:27<rnowak>schadenfreude?
01:27<echoline>"schadenfreud"
01:27<echoline>yeah
01:27<@heckman>I installed 11.04 on my new netbook. Had some issues installing some software, but I appear to have got it all up and running.
01:27<rnowak>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude
01:27<@heckman>Needed a kernel patch tho
01:27<echoline>rnowak: i don't have a browser man
01:27<rnowak>then install one?
01:27<echoline>there is no decent one
01:27<rnowak>links2 superior browser #1
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01:28<echoline>links2 won't run on this bucket of bolts
01:28<echoline>too many dependencies!
01:28<rnowak>Either way, schadenfreude is a german word used as a loanword in english, and it means pleasure derived from the misfortune of others.
01:28<echoline>ahhh
01:28*praetorian sings schadenfreude
01:28<echoline>let's see
01:28<echoline>sociopathy?
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01:29<echoline>rnowak: such a person would love to see me at my computer :)
01:29<rnowak>echoline: only particular misfortunes bring me schadenfreude though
01:29<echoline>football into nads?
01:30<rnowak>heckman: was it the netbook you wanted to initially install arch on?
01:30<@heckman>The one that's running Debian (now) was the one I had selected to run Arch.
01:31<@heckman>Arch stopped IPv6ing...I got frustrated and just used a stable distro
01:31<rnowak>Debian prevails yet again \o/
01:31<rnowak>How did you express your appreciation?
01:31<echoline>sex!
01:31<@heckman>echoline: no
01:31<echoline>candy?
01:31<@heckman>rnowak: by accouning in here that it was once again Debian appreciation day
01:31<@heckman>echoline: no candy
01:32<echoline>:(
01:32<rnowak>\o/
01:34<@heckman>MSN is back
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01:35<echoline>crack*
01:36<@heckman>Not really. I only use it to communicate with like... two people
01:37<@heckman>Primary methods of communication are XMPP (GTalk) or AIM
01:37<echoline>aim!? :O
01:37<echoline>but WHY
01:38<@heckman>I mean, if people are going to use AIM for their instant message communications I would kind of need to use it as well to communicate with them.
01:38<@heckman>Kind of like if I want to communicate with people in #linode on OFTC...I need to be in #linode on OFTC.
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01:38<echoline>heckman: really?
01:38<echoline>you can change the modes maybe
01:39<echoline>i've sent messages to channels i wasn't in
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01:39<echoline>but now i'm nitpicking :P
01:39<@heckman>Yeah, have fun reading the responses
01:39<echoline>haha
01:39<echoline>like talking to dolphins, eh?
01:39*echoline is secretly a dolphin
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02:16<@heckman>^ nice tunnel br0
02:17<encode>ahh, so punny
02:18<@heckman>!rimshot
02:18<linbot>http://instantrimshot.com
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02:40<marius>wow
02:41<marius>So I jsut did an mtr to my big node in the UK...
02:41<marius>9 hops to hit the end of the global exchange
02:41<marius>then I have like 20 "no response form host"'s with 100% loss :s
02:43<bob2>some routers mess with traceroutes, film at 11 ;p
02:44<marius>What ?
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02:44<marius>It's just so odd, I've never seen that before xD
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02:44<wjwoodward>Are there any promotion codes currently running? I'm in the process of signing up
02:44<dr_jkl>I'll give you my referral code.
02:44<marius>http://p.linode.com/5357 <-- at least they look uniform and pretty, right? xD
02:44<bob2>wjwoodward: rarely
02:45<dr_jkl>http://www.linode.com/?r=5a9c2604bdf1261131dca5c4bd5dc1d3964ba383
02:45<bob2>don't use dr_jkl's referal code
02:45<bob2>!referalwhore
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02:46<dr_jkl>bob2: it's not like i'm trying to pass it off as a 'promotion code'. I'm calling it exactly what it is.
02:46<marius>isnt' there 2 r's i nthat ?
02:46<marius>!referralwhore
02:46<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_; (looking for a referral code? see !referral)
02:46<wjwoodward>thanks bob2
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02:46<bob2>there we bo
02:47<pizzas>I want to be a referal whore too :) http://www.linode.com/?r=d6cb9ddc89d8c49e018f3835e60c2ca235eff05c
02:47*marius waits for it to bother someone and the banhammer to strike almightily upon thee
02:47<bob2>:/
02:48<bob2>if you didn't actually bring someone to linode, don't be lame and try to get credit for it
02:48<pizzas>:-( sniff
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02:49<@heckman>dr_jkl: normally placing ones own referral code in here is...frowned upon
02:49<marius>In al honesty, I sort of got one that way
02:49<dr_jkl>heckman: so ban me? i really don't care
02:49<marius>he joined here and was so amazed by my name (true story) he asked me for my referral code because the service had to be awesome if it had a Marius here
02:49*heckman doesn't swing the banhammer often
02:49*heckman personally doesn't care.
02:49<@heckman>I was just letting you know as some others do. :D
02:50<dr_jkl>linode's referral system makes it almost invisible to people that they're signing up with a referral code; i've missed out on three referrals so far because people i've referred 'weren't sure' if they were using the code properly or not.
02:50<pizzas>dr jekl has a spell on me....
02:50<dr_jkl>it has no actual place in signup for a 'referral code'. just a 'promotion code' box.
02:50<bob2>they visit the url you give them
02:50<bob2>done
02:50<marius>Granted he thought I used this nickname because of Marius from Les Mis, not because it was my name xD (But I do love Les Mis)
02:51<dr_jkl>bob2: but even that url doesn't make it obvious that a code is being used
02:51<marius>Worst case they could just open up a ticket and let'em know the yhad troubles applying the referral
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02:51<pizzas>Les Mis is the best
02:51<@heckman>dr_jkl: at the bottom: https://manager.linode.com/signup/
02:52<dr_jkl>heckman: that's new. kudos to linode for Doing It Right.
02:52<marius>How is that new
02:52<@heckman>Also, if something comes up where someone isn't sure they used your referral code, or forgot, simply have them open a ticket and we'll happily add the refferal.
02:52<marius>that's been there for as long as I've used linode I think
02:53<marius>any way :P
02:53<dr_jkl>there only used to be a promotion code.
02:53<dr_jkl>but whatever.
02:53<dr_jkl>i don't really give a shit; i pay linode just the same as any of you. :P
02:53<@heckman>ahem
02:53<@heckman>In Southern New Jersey, Linode pays me!
02:54<@heckman>(horrible play on a Russian reverse joke)
02:54<marius>I think my UK link really is booched, I'm having a hard time maintaining ssh to it and loadign pages is slow as hell :s
02:54<pizzas>real question. I have been trying to get apache solr to work. I follow the tutorials and get nowhere. Is there something special about linode or is it just me who can not follow directions?
02:55<wjwoodward>@heckman: Seems as though you work for Linode or are a part of the company, are there any promotions at the moment?
02:55<dr_jkl>solr? *RTFM*
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02:55<dr_jkl>pizzas: sec, rtfming
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02:55<@heckman>wjwoodward: you are correct that I am an employee. And there are currently no promos
02:55<marius>wjwoodward: There' sthe "sign up now and everyone at the office cheers and high fives" one :P
02:56<rnowak>There is also currently a Debian Appreciation Day occuring, so sign up while it lasts.
02:56*marius wubs debian
02:56<wjwoodward>thanks @heckman
02:56<@heckman>np wjwoodward
02:57<rnowak>@heckman is very informational
02:57*rnowak giggles
02:57*heckman informs mohawk with a whiffleball bat
02:57<chesty>what's that?
02:58<@heckman>You have no idea what a whiffleball is?
02:58<@heckman>Wiffle**
02:58<@heckman>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiffle_Ball
02:59*Gundam14 Does a Dance for Debian Appreciation Day
03:00<chesty>sounds like fun, i love throwing curve balls
03:02<@mikegrb>lulz
03:02<dr_jkl>pizzas: LOL. I just broke one of my dev boxes trying to get solr working
03:02<dr_jkl>so no, you aren't the only one with problems
03:02<dr_jkl>i suspect it's a java problem though
03:02<dr_jkl>java is.. special
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03:03<dr_jkl>heckman: nonono sweetie
03:04<dr_jkl>heckman: you need a http://tinyurl.com/3j8dtsz
03:04<dr_jkl>trust me, i have one hanging up in my cube
03:04<@heckman>I wouldn't even trust myself with that...
03:04<dr_jkl>it's a wrecking bar
03:04<dr_jkl>with a HAMMER on the end.
03:04<dr_jkl>it's awesome.
03:05<dr_jkl>mine has LART written on the side in silver sharpie.
03:05<rnowak>how's java going heckman?
03:05<dr_jkl>it is the de facto Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool.
03:06<@heckman>rnowak: Took a break for a few days to do other things. Like the IPv6 tunnel, and finalizing the scripts and stuff needed to keep it running
03:06<rnowak>heckman: ah
03:08<wjwoodward>What is the difference between Ubuntu LTS and plain Ubuntu?
03:09<chesty>long term support
03:09<rnowak>LTS = Less Terrible Shit
03:09<chesty>will have package updates for 5 years
03:10<wjwoodward>so its better if you don't want to upgrade it through major releases, ie v10 to v11?
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03:11<bob2>also in practice they seem a bit more stable
03:11<bob2>because no one wants to maintain stuff they think may be dodgy for five years
03:11<dr_jkl>debian > 'buntu
03:12<bob2>yes
03:12<chesty>every 2 or 3 years they release another lts, and lts to lts upgrades are supported
03:12<dr_jkl>ubuntu is too bleeding edge
03:12<dr_jkl>debian is stable
03:12<wjwoodward>that's what i've heard dr_jkl
03:13<dr_jkl>if you like the old text-based games like SUSPENDED, use gentoo. gentoo is like the ultimate text-based video game. if you win, you get to use the internet.
03:13<wjwoodward>ubuntu 10.04 LTS is the distribution that is automatically selected when you sign up
03:13<dr_jkl>speaking of text-based video games, i have to go punt my freebsd server. brb
03:14<wjwoodward>i have heard ubuntu is easier for newbs, which I am. what are your thoughts on this? @heckman what do you recommend?
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03:14<@Praefectus>debian
03:14<@heckman>For newbs I recommend Ubuntu. Better community for assistance.
03:15<rnowak>wrt difficulty, you will unlikely notice a difference between ubuntu and debian
03:15*rnowak slaps heckman with a bat
03:15<dr_jkl>wjwoodward: if you can breathe on your own you can use debian
03:15<bob2>debian and ubuntu lts are pretty close in basically all these things
03:15<@heckman>I personally choose Debian systems for my stuff because I don't like the non-sense Ubuntu has sometimes.
03:15<chesty>don't listen to them, they get a sign up bonus for everyone they refer debian to
03:15<@heckman>They are pretty close, but there are plenty of Ubuntuisms.
03:15<bob2>real reason I use debian on servers is that I'm too old to learn things like upstart
03:15<rnowak>any guide you find for either will likely work on the other, with potential minor differences
03:15<bob2>get off my init system
03:15<rnowak>sysV nom
03:16<narcan>hey, anyone know why on a fresh ubuntu 11.04 install bash is showing # characters as £ ?
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03:16<wjwoodward>thanks everyone, i'll try debian...
03:16<rnowak>it is after all a Debian Appreciation Day, good choice!
03:17<linbot>New news from forums: Looking for a sys admin in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7160>
03:17<bob2>rnowak: is that days that end in y?
03:18<rnowak>yep
03:18<bob2>narcan: maybe your locale is screwed up
03:18<bob2>11.04 on servers
03:18<bob2>you are a brave (wo)man
03:18*dr_jkl plugs in her laptop and @.@ as the brightness goes to 100
03:18<dr_jkl>THE LIIIIIGHT! IT BUUUURNS!
03:19<rnowak>make it a bit more cloudy
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03:20<dr_jkl>oh, that reminds me
03:20<dr_jkl>i need handcuffs for this weekend
03:20*dr_jkl order
03:20<narcan>bob2 > yep, locale is most likely screwed up, but wondering where to fix / change
03:20*heckman eats potato chips
03:20<dr_jkl>PO TAT OES
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03:21<narcan>bob2> whats wrong with 11.04 as a server ?
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03:21<bob2>narcan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
03:21<bob2>I believe
03:21<bob2>choose a utf-8 locale
03:21<bob2>then make sure your terminal does that too
03:21<rnowak>ASCII nom
03:21<bob2>are you using 'screen' as well?
03:22<narcan>no, i'm not using screen
03:22<bob2>narcan: nonlts makes me nervous
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03:30<narcan>bob2> but won't 11.04 become lts once 12 comes along ?
03:30<chesty>nope
03:31<chesty>11.04 will be supported for 18 months
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03:31<Fox`>I distribute the graphical work of others on my website. one person has claimed ownership of the work. The other has, and also supplied the source files. i've asked repeatedly for the other side to supply the source files but never get a response. i'm worried that they will report it to you (linode) and you'll suspend my server. will you?
03:32<Fox`>the source file providing side has given me full permission to distribute their work
03:33<purrdeta>If someone does complain about you, I hear Linode will open a ticket with you and try to contact you before simply giving you the banhammer
03:33<narcan>hmm ok, wiki says 10.10 is supported until april 2012. so won't that mean 11.04 if installed today will have support for longer ?
03:33<bob2>?
03:33<bob2>it is supported for 18 months from reelase
03:34<Fox`>Ragnar: oh that's reassuring
03:34<Fox`>some server hosts are trigger happy
03:35*Praefectus is trigger-happy
03:35<@Praefectus>but only at the range
03:35<narcan>err, ignore me .. i was reading 10.10 , not 10.04
03:36<narcan>bob2, yeah understood that :) but as i understood 11.04 was released last month, but irrelevant anyway i guess
03:36<bob2>yes, so 17 months remain
03:36<Fox`>i dono what's going on, whether they copied the design really well or not, but the disputing side just aren't willing to prove it
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03:36<narcan>yep
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03:42<Fox`>i got my first big boy job as a web developer yesterday :)
03:43<Fox`>i'm sure all my earnings will given to linode
03:43<Fox`>be*
03:43<wjwoodward>Congratulations Fox
03:43<Fox`>thanks
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03:45<wjwoodward>I did the following as per the instructions but got no feedback (I used a different hostname and am using Debian)
03:45<wjwoodward>echo "plato" > /etc/hostname
03:45<wjwoodward>hostname -F /etc/hostname
03:46<wjwoodward> Is that normal?
03:49<@heckman>type hostname and see what it says
03:49<wjwoodward>@heckman: it returns the hostname I entered, thanks
03:54<@heckman>np
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04:04<wjwoodward>Having trouble: If it exists, edit the file /etc/default/dhcpcd to comment out the "SET_HOSTNAME" directive
04:04<wjwoodward>I assume it doesn't exist?
04:05<wjwoodward>on debian 6
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04:14<chesty>why assume, why not just look?
04:15<wjwoodward>chesty: I looked but could not find, but due to my lack of knowledge I could very easily be wrong. I am new to servers, just started today
04:16<chesty>wjwoodward: what's the problem you're having to make you look for that file?
04:16<wjwoodward>According the Linode getting started guide:
04:16<wjwoodward>If it exists, edit the file /etc/default/dhcpcd to comment out the "SET_HOSTNAME" directive:
04:17<chesty>ok, well you've looked, and it doesn't exist
04:17<chesty>i don't have debian, so I can't look myself
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04:18<wjwoodward>ls -a
04:18<wjwoodward>. .. .aptitude .bashrc .profile
04:18<chesty>to double check, run grep SET_HOSTNAME /etc/default/*
04:19<wjwoodward>grep SET_HOSTNAME /etc/default/*
04:19<chesty>in your shell, not here :P
04:19<wjwoodward>chesty: hahaha, cut and paste.........
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04:21<wjwoodward>this is what I get back:
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04:22<wjwoodward>./etc/default/dhcpcd:SET_HOSTNAME='yes'
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04:22<wjwoodward>stupid face, ha
04:22<chesty>do you know what to do now?
04:23<wjwoodward>that command searched for SET_HOSTNAME in any file in /etc/default/*
04:24<wjwoodward>(I'm learning)
04:24<chesty>yes, now you have to edit /etc/default/dhcpcd and comment out SET_HOSTNAME='yes'
04:25<wjwoodward>what do i type? I've searched google....
04:25<chesty>nano /etc/default/dhcpcd
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04:26<praetorian>good evening
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04:26<chesty>praetorian: you're up? didn't beat the sunset though :(
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04:27<wjwoodward>having a # in front of a line comments it out
04:27<chesty>yes
04:28<wjwoodward>thanks chesty, I'm writing all this down too.
04:30<praetorian>chesty: funny. not all of us can work from home like you
04:30<praetorian># is this line commented?
04:30<wjwoodward># comments a line out
04:31<praetorian>hehe
04:31*Solver worked from home for several years
04:32<praetorian>i should be more precise
04:32<praetorian>s/worked/procastinate/
04:32<Solver>then the company sent me to south america and I still worked in the same building i was sleeping in ;)
04:32<praetorian>we have a developer in hong kong i think it is
04:32<praetorian>his kids go to school in the same building they live
04:33<Solver>HK is an interesting place :)
04:33<Solver>being able to walk the kids to school down the elevator would be pretty cool
04:33<praetorian>and no traffic having to take them home ;)
04:33<praetorian>but kinda means your social space is very small
04:34<Solver>yeah. you pay a price :)
04:35<praetorian>i like travelling to work most days
04:35<praetorian>there is social interaction
04:35<Solver>I'd be happy to work from home again
04:35<Solver>you can always go out and socialise inyour own time with friends
04:36<praetorian>you could.. but in some ways you would probably feel less inclined
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04:37<Solver>yeah I didn't go out that much when I worked from home :)
04:37<Tidemann>Hi guys. :)
04:37<Solver>travelling to events inthe city was a long way, not close after work :)
04:37<Solver>Tidemann: evening (or morning or afternoon)
04:37<Tidemann>Solver: Hehe, it's just past morning in Denmark now.
04:38<Solver>dinner time here :)
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04:38<Tidemann>We're happy users/clients, all is good in Linode land. :) I joined to ask you guys if you got any CDN experiences/recommendations?
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04:39<praetorian>Solver: would suck to like in brisbane tho
04:39<chesty>praetorian: are you one of those weirdos that talks to people on the train?
04:39<praetorian>and true, i should get some tea.
04:40<wjwoodward>praetorian: Brisbane, Australia?
04:40<praetorian>chesty: hardly. but i travel with people i know.
04:40<praetorian>is there any other
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04:40<archon810>hi there
04:40<wjwoodward>I think there is. I spent about 10 years in Brisbane, now I'm in Sydney
04:40<praetorian>excellent
04:40*praetorian is too.
04:41<archon810>I'm having a little trouble configuring the new private IP addresses
04:41<chesty>praetorian: mom and dad take you to work?
04:41<praetorian>chesty: ha ha
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04:41<archon810>anyone got any experience setting them up?
04:42<chesty>what distro?
04:42<archon810>opensuse
04:42<Solver>praetorian: Brisbane is fine :) I'm back here after 8 years overseas
04:42<chesty>archon810: i can't help
04:42<archon810>I think it's more of a theoretical question really
04:42<@Praefectus>archon810: whats the problem?
04:42<Solver>praetorian: actually there is a Brisbane in Ontario canada. I think 100 people live there :)
04:43<archon810>Praefectus, I modified one of the 2 servers I have with instructions from http://library.linode.com/networking/configuring-static-ip-interfaces
04:43<archon810>I already had a static IP setup there, so I just added the private IP
04:43<archon810>it's pingable from that host
04:43<archon810>but not from the 2nd one
04:43<@Praefectus>did you reboot after adding the private ips?
04:43<praetorian>Solver: ahh
04:43*Solver lived in Ontario but never visited the Brisbane there.. oh well :)
04:43<archon810>yes
04:43<archon810>got them added this morning
04:44<archon810>rebooted both servers an hour ago
04:44<Solver>someone already did the 'photo of brisbane sign post with snow'
04:44<archon810>I'm also confused by the part about /etc/sysconfig/network/routes
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04:44<archon810>it lists some random 66.246.75.0 IP
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04:44<archon810>that's not referenced anywhere else in the guide
04:44<@Praefectus>can you pm me your linode manager username?
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04:45<archon810>it's the same one as this
04:45<archon810>I also have ipv6, but I'm not sure what to do with it really
04:46<archon810>I've never dealt with it
04:47<archon810>this could very well be a problem with unfinished routes config
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04:47<stefan3>Can anyone recommend a tool for debian to monitor http and dns? I want to monitor my linodes but dont want to pay some company more than if I setup my own two linodes just to monitor the others.
04:48<micki>stefan3: I prefer Nagios.
04:49<Tidemann>Yeah, Nagios is nice.
04:49<micki>stefan3: But you have to setup on your own Linode.
04:49<stefan3>thats not a problem
04:49<micki>(or another server) - it's not a cloud service.
04:49<praetorian>munin?
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04:50<micki>Isn't munin just for statistics/graph monitoring?
04:50*Solver likes nagios for monitoring and collectd for perf monitoring
04:51<stefan3>I would need something that can at least send me an email, sms would be nice but I dougt I can get that for free.
04:51<Solver>they can be integrated
04:51<Solver>stefan3: nag is free and does all of those things
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04:51<micki>stefan3: I use Nagios to both send email and SMS.
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04:51<stefan3>cool
04:51<Solver>sms can be donen through a sms2email gateway or via a devic connected to the box
04:52<Solver>stefan3: your telco needs to offer an sms2email gateway. most do
04:53<Solver>email2sms rather :)
04:54<stefan3>Ill have to check, email is fine, sometimes even more reliable than sms :/
04:54<Solver>indeed. both both :)
04:54<Solver>any time I send an sms I also send an emal
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04:56<Solver>bbl
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05:09<wjwoodward>stefan3: in the linode documentation for server monitoring there are guides for munin, cacti, nagios and logwatch - http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring
05:09<stefan3>sweet, thanks
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05:12<wjwoodward>The alternatives mentioned in the documentation to Apache are nginx, lighttpd and cherokee. Can I assume because there is more documentation for nginx in other areas (ie setting up LEMP stack) it is generally the better option?
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05:15<heyman>hi! I have a question about the largest linode plans.. how many other customers do you share the host with for the 8, 12, 16 and 20 GB plans? and how many CPU cores can you utilize on theses plans? is it 4 like the smaller linode plans?
05:16<wjwoodward>heyman: it ismentioned in the faq - http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm
05:17<wjwoodward>How many Linodes share a host?
05:17<wjwoodward>Linodes of the same plan are grouped together onto a host. We adjust the number of slots on each host according to its resources and hardware specification. On average, a Linode 512 host has 40 Linodes on it. A Linode 768 host has on average 30. Linode 1024 host: 20 Linodes; Linode 1536 host: 15; Linode 2048 host: 10; Linode 4096: 5.
05:19<heyman>wjwoodward: yes, I've seen that, but I would like to see the same info for the _larger_ linode plans (8GB, 12GB, 16GB and 20GB)
05:19<@heckman>There's no solid number.
05:21<JustinH>@wjwoodward Nginx was written to address the C10K problem
05:21<heyman>heckman: ok, so is there no way for me to know how many I will share the hsot with if I want to hire four 20GB plans? or how many cores I could utilize in the optimal vs the worst case scenario?
05:21<@heckman>Each Linode plan gets access to four cores
05:22<@heckman>Regardless of the size. And there is no solid number. As you see the number of Linodes on a host decreases as they get larger. And the number depends on a few things.
05:23<heyman>heckman: ok, so what is the maximum number of customers I could share a 20GB host with? (how much ram is there in the largest hosts?)
05:23<heyman>judging from the other numbers (if it scales linear), it seems that I would have a 20GB host for myself
05:24<linbot>New news from forums: Simple postfix installation in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7161>
05:24<@heckman>Unfortunately, detailed hardware specs is not something I have available.
05:25<@heckman>You're never alone on a host, however.
05:26<heyman>heckman: ok, that's unfortunate.. we're going to need a couple of large servers (12GB+) and it would be really useful to know these kind of specs when deciding on a provider
05:27<Tidemann>bbl
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05:27<@heckman>heyman: Here's the quick rundown. The hosts have 8 cores. You share those eight cores with other customers on the host.
05:27<@heckman>Each Linode has access to four of those cores at one time.
05:28<@ericoc>400% CPU, CPU is rarely ever a bottleneck
05:28<@heckman>^
05:28<@ericoc>^
05:28<@heckman>V
05:28<rnowak>^
05:28<rnowak>oh god, endless loop
05:28<@ericoc>^>^>^
05:28<@heckman>Kirby? (>^_^)>
05:29<@ericoc>you're able to find the CPU specs with 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
05:29<@ericoc>disks are in a raid array and such
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05:32<sheldon>Anyone know how to kill an HTTP 416 error?
05:33<sheldon>My browser is passing a "range" header that it shouldn't be
05:34<bob2>find out why it is doing that
05:34<hawk>Is it the request initiated? Does it make any sense that there would want a specific range at all?
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05:35<hawk>Ehm.. "How is the request initiated?"
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05:35<rnowak>you accidentally the whole thing
05:36<sheldon>Not sure why - I just scp'd my files from my old Slicehost slice to a new Linode, and booted up the apache2 server
05:36<bob2>back up
05:36<sheldon>It's happening just for .css and .js files it appears
05:36<bob2>what actual thing did ytou do and what did you see?
05:37<sheldon>Loading up a PHP app hosted with Apache2, saw the page without any CSS on it
05:37<sheldon>inspected the request for the CSS files after noticing an HTTP 416 error, which I've never seen before
05:38<sheldon>found a 'range' header specifying a fairly random value of 326-326
05:38<bob2>chrome?
05:38<heyman>heckman: yeah, the CPU will probably not be the bottleneck, but it's just that I (and probably many others in my position) would feel much more comfortable making a decision with all info available.. thanks for the info and fast response though! :)
05:39*bob2 boggles slightly at a machine with 48GB of ram and only 8 cores
05:39<sheldon>yes, in chrome
05:40<bob2>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5891431/416-requested-range-not-satisfiable may be relevant
05:40<@heckman>np
05:40<bob2>fixed a couple of weeks ao
05:40<bob2>if you're feeling eager, try getting some daily build and check it's fixed
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05:41<sheldon>@bob2 thanks - I'll look at that - I did just try clearing the cache, and now it's loading up a Chrome logo in PNG format for that CSS file...
05:41<@mikegrb>lulz
05:41<sheldon>lol
05:41<bob2>IRC DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY</morbo>
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05:43<sheldon>yeah, I gathered that... :o
05:48<sheldon>thanks for the help - looks like a gzip encoding issue now
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06:00<xt3mp0r>why does my linode forgets hostname after 2-3 ssh sessions ? (debain 6)
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06:03<amitz>xt3mp0r: why do you think so?
06:04<xt3mp0r>amitz: dunno, i changed it, after 2-3 ssh sessions it was back to the same it was first.
06:06<amitz>my linode doesn't behave that way.
06:07<JoFe>xt3mp0r: Are you using dhcp? Default setting is for dhcp to set the hostname (leasetime about 24 hours i belive) when it gets renewed
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06:10<xt3mp0r>JoFe: yah, but i have commented "SET_HOSTNAME" directive from /etc/default/dhcpcd as told in linode library
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06:11<StevenJackson>hi there...
06:11<StevenJackson>question about Rewrite Rules...
06:11<StevenJackson>Before the script an receive an HTTP-POST here ==> http://myurl/resources/ Now the script it's moved there ==> http://newurl/resources/ It's possibile to make an Apache Rewrite that take in charge the HTTP-POST on "http://myurl/resources/" and Rewrite in "http://newurl/resources/"
06:11<@Praefectus>Redirect /resources http://newurl/resources
06:12<StevenJackson>uh? so easy?
06:12<StevenJackson>also for http-post?
06:12<StevenJackson>nevermind...
06:16<JoFe>xt3mp0r: Well, if you have restarted dhcpcd there shouldn't be anything that (normally) sets the hostname, so no idea what could change it
06:17<StevenJackson>no it's look no so easy... :-(
06:17<xt3mp0r>JoFe: hmm, i have setup hostname again. let's see if this happen again.
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06:20<@heckman>Did you restart DHCPCD after making the change/
06:20<JoFe>xt3mp0r: Only things that usually sets hostname is the bootprocess (from /etc/hostname or similar) and dhcp. I'm guessing it goes back to the normal dhcp-generated hostname
06:20<xt3mp0r>heckman: no, i just commented out a line from config.
06:20<@heckman>xt3mp0r: you need to actually restart the daemon
06:20<@heckman>Otherwise when the lease expires, and it grabs the IP again, the hostname will reset
06:21<xt3mp0r>heckman: hmm, i am new to all this. i should execute /etc/init.d/dhcpcd restart
06:21<xt3mp0r>right ?
06:21<@heckman>xt3mp0r: that looks about right
06:22<xt3mp0r>heckman: -bash: /etc/init.d/dhcpcd: No such file or directory
06:23<@heckman>er
06:23<@heckman>What distro?
06:23<xt3mp0r>debain 6
06:23<@heckman>er
06:23<@heckman>one second
06:23<xt3mp0r>sure
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06:24<Tiven_>hi :D
06:24<Tiven_>ubuntu upgrade interrupted and now it doesnt boot ^_^
06:25<@heckman>Finnix -> Mount Disk Image -> chroot /media/xvda
06:25<@heckman>Make sure your sources.list is correct
06:25<@heckman>Then you want to issue the screen command
06:25<@heckman>Simply press enter at the screen that comes up next. And then run this at the prompt: apt-get update && apt-get install -f && apt-get dist-upgrade
06:25<@heckman>And then you'll want to hope for the best.
06:25<@heckman>!finnix
06:25<linbot>Finnix -- http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/finnix-recovery.html
06:26<@heckman>In case you need a bit of a rundown on Finnix Recovery. :)
06:27<@heckman>xt3mp0r: hrm. I guess there isn't one. Maybe I am thinking of Ubuntu...
06:27<@heckman>heck, my debian 6 Linode doesn't even have /etc/default/dhcpcd...
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06:28<xt3mp0r>heckman: weird, it was there on mine already
06:28<@heckman>Hrm
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06:32<xt3mp0r>heckman: is it compulsory to edit my /etc/hosts and write my ip/FQDN/hostname on very first line? first line on my /etc/hosts describes details about 127.0.0.1
06:32<@Praefectus>just add it on the next open line
06:32<@heckman>I don't think it makes much of a difference. I usually add them to the end on my hosts file
06:33<xt3mp0r>Praefectus: already did, dunno why my hostname changed after 2-3 ssh sessions
06:33<xt3mp0r>heckman: hmm yah
06:33<Tiven_>thanks guys
06:33<Tiven_>yea i sent a ticket and i was told to try finnix as well
06:33<Tiven_>im gonna do that now
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06:39<@heckman>Tiven_: That was me in the ticket.
06:40<Tiven_>ah right!! :D
06:40<@heckman>:)
06:40<Tiven_>screen didnt work but i guess its no biggy since im doing it through lish anyway
06:40<@heckman>ah good point. I didn't think about that in my update. Sorry.
06:40<Tiven_>anyway, i tried to apt update it gave error and said to run dpkg configure -a
06:40<@heckman>dpkg-reconfigure -a
06:40<@heckman>Yeah
06:41<Tiven_>so i run it, nothing happened, i control+c again and it asked me the last thing about securetty that got stuck :)
06:41<@heckman>How long did you let it sit?
06:41<Tiven_>long time
06:41<Tiven_>it was like it was waiting for variables
06:41<@heckman>It can take a few minutes to run as it has to reconfigure all packages installed on the system.
06:41<@heckman>It's quite possible the OS is completely hosed and you need to redeploy.
06:42<Tiven_>hmm
06:43<Tiven_>i did reconfigure again and now its doing some stuff
06:43<Tiven_>since in finnix it keeps complaining about /dev/null i guess thats not a problem right?
06:44<@heckman>What error are you getting?
06:46<Tiven_>that it cannot create dev null
06:46<Tiven_>now, dpkg: too many errors, stopping
06:46<Tiven_>and it gives me a list with packages
06:47<@heckman>Tiven_: one more thing to try
06:47<@heckman>Reboot the Linode *back* in to Finnix so we can start over
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06:48<@heckman>Tiven_: once you're back in read over this: http://p.linode.com/5358
06:48<@heckman>Ugh one sec
06:49<@heckman>http://p.linode.com/5359 <<< that one
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06:51<Tiven_>thanks will do now
06:51<Tiven_>rebooting finnix
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06:54<Tiven_>went up to install -f so far heckman it setting up packages
06:54<Tiven_>doing well so far :)))
06:55<@heckman>Good to hear
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07:25<wjwoodward>Just set up nginx 1.0.3 on Debian 6. The html is stored in /opt/nginx-1.0.3/html
07:26<wjwoodward>is it recommended to place ones website in here? i'm sure the folder location could be changed by changing a config file or something
07:27<Tiven_>i always use home for websites
07:28<Tiven_>../home/www/site_name
07:28<Tiven_>or something
07:28<HoopyCat>the standard place would be somewhere under /srv, like /srv/www/cheesefactory.example.com/public_html/index.html
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07:31<wjwoodward>any issues with the permissions of the dirs and files I should be aware of?
07:33*heckman places all of his websites in /tmp
07:33<@heckman>jk
07:34<Jerub>i once worked in a place where the operations staff filed all their important documents by using the 'delete' key, and would open the 'trash' to find them later.
07:34<wjwoodward>@heckman: I had a look in that folder after you said it
07:35<@heckman>Jerub: Before this gig I did consumer-level IT and I had someone who stored all of his stuff in C:\Temp -- needless to say a disk cleanup took care of that. Ahem
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07:37<Jerub>and people wonder why i strongarm people into using tools like dropbox.
07:37<chesty>so everyone can access the files?
07:38<chesty>or anyone with a little skill can access the files
07:38<HoopyCat>wjwoodward: you usually want stuff writable by the humans that need to write it and not writable by the web server or any executable code it might be involved with (like PHP scripts)... some software will complain about that, of course, because software wants to be able to modify itself because it is easier
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07:46<wjwoodward>HoppyCat: thanks. My guess is 755 for dirs and 644 for files
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07:51<HoopyCat>i often end up with g+w and a common group among people that need to edit stuff
07:52<chesty>g+s and umask adjusting is then likely to follow
07:52<HoopyCat>i always forget the g+s
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08:00<Tiven_>hey heckman it succesfully booted up :D
08:00<Tiven_>it took a loooooooooong time to boot though i thought it was nuked
08:00<@heckman>Sweet. Good to hear it's back up and running.
08:00<Tiven_>went upstairs to make something to eat and came back some minutes later to see everything working
08:01<Tiven_>thanks for the help mate :)
08:01<@heckman>np
08:01<Tiven_>although i see that it reinstalled lighttpd but i cant remove it
08:01<Tiven_>for some reason
08:01<@heckman>Have you tried purging it?
08:01<@heckman>Maybe apt-get install lighttpd and then remove again
08:01<Tiven_>yup
08:02<Tiven_>ah let me try that
08:02<Tiven_>nah, same
08:02<@heckman>Interesting. What happens when you try to purge it?
08:02<Tiven_>http://pastebin.linode.com/5360
08:03<Tiven_>same error no matter what
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08:03<rnowak>you need to sort out dependencies before doing *anything*
08:03<Tiven_>install -f?
08:03<Tiven_>did it already :/
08:04<rnowak>apt-cache search nginx-common
08:04<rnowak>does it exist?
08:04<Tiven_>yeah im using nginx
08:04<rnowak>that wasn't the question, though
08:04<Tiven_>yup it exists
08:04<Tiven_>nginx-common - small, but very powerful and efficient web server (common files)
08:05<rnowak>what if you try installing that package
08:06<Tiven_>WOAH
08:06<Tiven_>well now it didnt give an error but it gave me a loooooong list of programs that are no longer needed
08:06<rnowak>are you apt-get updated and apt-get upgraded?
08:06<Tiven_>did it in finnix to fix my boot
08:06<Tiven_>should i do again?
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08:07<rnowak>you... did it in finnix?
08:07<Tiven_>yes cause it couldnt boot after the upgrade to nutty was interrupted
08:07<rnowak>and you just ran apt-get update and upgrade in finnix, like that?
08:08<Tiven_>mounted, then chroot
08:08<Tiven_>http://p.linode.com/5359
08:08<rnowak>kk
08:08<rnowak>post a paste of the packages it wants to remove
08:09<rnowak>it seems nginx didn't upgrade correctly
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08:09<Tiven_>http://p.linode.com/5361
08:10<rnowak>you have gnome on it?
08:11<rnowak>check the log that dpkg writes to
08:12<Tiven_>i installed xfce4 months ago cause i wanted to try vnc
08:12<rnowak>well, I am not sure about *all* of those packages, if you don't need them - but a few look like likely candidates to be alright to remove
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08:17<Tiven_>i think i should just copy my etc files
08:17<Tiven_>have a drink and tomorrow redeploy
08:17<rnowak>I'd do the same, tbh
08:20<Tiven_>:)
08:20<@heckman>Kill those disk images with fire.
08:20<@heckman>:X
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08:26<Tiven_>;)
08:27<chesty>are you sure you want to cleans the disk image with fire? (y/n)
08:27<praetorian>hm, is this the first skype outage since ms purchased them
08:27<praetorian>:p
08:27<Tiven_>yyyy
08:27<chesty>ms hasn't bought them yet
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08:28<Tiven_>didnt they?
08:28<chesty>yes
08:28<praetorian>chesty: cleanse?
08:28<chesty>yes, cleanse
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09:20<Daevien>praetorian: won't be the last outage :p
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09:23<mwalling>Tiven_: announcing the purchase is the first step. now the government sticks their dirty hands in and makes microsoft do all sorts of shit, *then* MS can close the deal and BSOD the skype auth servers
09:23*mwalling has a libratarian bent at times
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09:26<ajp>mwalling: you forgot the step where whatever person from the gov't "oversight" committee gets a 7 figure job lobbying for MS.
09:28<mwalling>ajp: oh, you mean like the fcc chair who now works for comcast?
09:28<mwalling>or what ever her position was
09:28*mwalling refrains from further comment on the transaction
09:28<ajp>yeah. but it's not like she was the first person to do that.
09:28<ajp>and def wont be the last
09:29<Tiven_>hah
09:29<Tiven_>keeps happening
09:30<Tiven_>the last i dont know
09:30<Tiven_>50
09:30<Tiven_>60 years
09:30<Tiven_>whatever
09:30<mwalling>!enter
09:30<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
09:30<Tiven_>yeyeyeye sorry
09:30<Tiven_>havent used irc for like a month cut me some slack :P
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09:45<Tiven_>is aptitude install -f gonna try and repair just like apt-get install -f ?
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10:20<hersoy>how can i remove rdns on my linode account ?
10:21<akerl>why?
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10:23<@heckman>Enjoy the IP address in the forward DNS lookup field.
10:24<hersoy>li****.members.linode.com
10:24<Yaakov>Enter
10:24<Tiven_>YAY
10:24<Tiven_>i managed to fix it without redeploying
10:24<hersoy>I want to li****.members.linode.com
10:25<Yaakov>hersoy: The sentence no verb.
10:25<Tiven_>i think at least.. :D.. i tried one of the solutions of aptitude.. it removed some packages, installed apache (i really dont know why it did that)
10:25<Tiven_>and then i manually removed apache, lighttpd, reinstalled nginx now and everything seems to be working fine
10:26<akerl>hersoy: I'm trying to understand. Do you want to get the rdns *back* to li***.members.linode, or to remove the rdns entirely, or to replace the li*** with something else, i.e. your own domain?
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10:27<@Perihelion>TROLLLLLLLLLL
10:27<magicalfruit>zomg.
10:27<@Perihelion>I'm on urshell
10:27<magicalfruit>D: Get off
10:27<magicalfruit>I love Perihelion.
10:28<@Perihelion>^_^
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10:30<priyesh>when you first get a linode, are they assined a static IP?
10:30<@caker>they're always assigned a static ip
10:30<priyesh>so it'll never change? is there any need to set a static ip in the OS?
10:31<akerl>priyesh: You get one IP, which your node is configured to grab via dhcp.
10:31<priyesh>okay - makes sense
10:32<hersoy>akerl: I want to get the rdns *back* to li***.members.linode.com
10:32<priyesh>would you recommend setting that IP in the /etc/network/interfaces ?
10:32<priyesh>also is a private IP automatically assigned, or you have to request one?
10:32<akerl>hersoy: For what purpose? I imagine you could do it, but I'm not sure where you'd find the correct id
10:33<akerl>priyesh: You can get a private IP automatically via the manager.
10:33<akerl>To use the private IP, you need to statically configure it
10:33<@heckman>hersoy: For that you'd need to open a ticket.
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10:36<heylookanoob>hey all... question if anyone has a minute to help out a noob with what i think should be a basic issue
10:36<heylookanoob>i'm just getting started with my first vps... longtime shared hosting user...
10:37<heylookanoob>i set up a LAMP server and it's working fine except for getting additional domains to work beyond the default. see: http://m3m0.com/index.html
10:37<heylookanoob>error logs are indicating that access to files is being blocked by server configuration but i can't find the setting to change
10:38<priyesh>heylookanoob: could you do a 'ls -la' of the webserver directory
10:38<heylookanoob>sure, one sec..
10:39-!-nuclear- [~nuclear@dynamic-acs-24-154-156-155.zoominternet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
10:39<heylookanoob> drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 2011-05-24 14:57 . drwxr-xr-x 94 root root 4096 2011-05-26 10:05 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7994 2011-05-25 14:10 apache2.conf drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-05-26 10:07 conf.d -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1169 2011-02-22 13:32 envvars -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47 2011-05-26 10:08 httpd.conf -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31063 2011-02-22 13:32 magic drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2011-05-24 15:18 mods-available drwxr-xr-x
10:39<priyesh>or could you check that the permissions of index.html are correct
10:39<priyesh>!paste
10:39<linbot>http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel
10:39<heylookanoob>i set the perms for that file to 777
10:39<heylookanoob>sorry.
10:40<Yaakov>heylookanoob: NEVER set permissions to 777.
10:40<Yaakov>heylookanoob: It is NEVER needed and a recipe for fail.
10:40<heylookanoob>no, i know, just did that for testing this
10:40<Yaakov>No, not even for "testing".
10:40<heylookanoob>k, changing
10:40<hersoy>Thank you ..
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10:40<Yaakov>You will forget that you did it ONCE and you will regret it for a LONG time.
10:41<heylookanoob>yeah. it was a desperation move. :)
10:41<Yaakov>heylookanoob: Also, make one change at a time, and undo the changes if they don't fix things.
10:42<heylookanoob>so my assumption has been that the issue had to do with AllowOverride but i've changed that to All in the virtual host config
10:42<heylookanoob>no change
10:42<priyesh>heylookanoob: could you do a ls -la of the place where index.html is on the node
10:42<heylookanoob>and i'm not sure what else to do at this point... permissions on the public_html dir look fine
10:42<heylookanoob>yes one sec
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10:43<priyesh>also, is this problem just affecting your virtual hosts?
10:43<heylookanoob>yep. the default domain works
10:44<priyesh>could you also paste your virtual host config ?
10:44<heylookanoob>will do. just posted the ls -la
10:45<priyesh>heylookanoob: could you do the following
10:45<heylookanoob>pasted config
10:45<priyesh>$ chown www-data index.html
10:46<heylookanoob>did the chown, no change
10:46<priyesh>how about:
10:46<heylookanoob>fwiw here's the default domain - it's just a new drupal install... http://mattdana.com/
10:47<priyesh>so it shows as this now: -rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data root 7 2011-05-26 10:27 index.html
10:48<heylookanoob>yep that's what it shows now
10:48<priyesh>heylookanoob: do you know what user the webserver is running as?
10:49<priyesh>heylookanoob: is it www-data?
10:49<heylookanoob>i don't know... how do i find out
10:49<atula>hello. if I want a server to run a few small blogs (django) which node would be sufficient ? I currently have 512 which is a bit small I think
10:49<priyesh>heylookanoob: apache?
10:50<JshWright>I run several moderately heavy dnajo apps on a 512
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10:50<JshWright>(on top of a few wordpress sites, a few static sites, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc)
10:50<priyesh>atula: a 512 should be okay for that, what problems are you encountering?
10:50<JshWright>Django make caching really easy, be sure you make use of that
10:51<atula>priyesh: no no. no troubles... just thinking about what I need to do to make sure I don't get caught with my pants down in the future
10:51<heylookanoob>priyesh: pasting something to pastebin now
10:51<priyesh>atula: well if things start getting slow in the future, you can upsize the node... although there will be a 'little' downtime to do so
10:51<hawk>atula: Well, obviously you may have to upgrade in the future, but I think the point is that 512 may be enough for now
10:51<atula>okiedoke.
10:51<priyesh>heylookanoob: oaky
10:51<priyesh>*okay
10:52<atula>I got to do a fresh thing to get Debian 6
10:52<atula>I am worried about the whole upgrade path
10:52<heylookanoob>i ran: ps aux | grep apache
10:52<heylookanoob>that's what i pasted
10:52<atula>actually... how is the upgrade path for debina 5 to 6 on the node?
10:52<heylookanoob>i THINK the answer's in there somewhere :)
10:52<JshWright>atula: are you using some off-the-shelf blogging app, or something you wrote yourself?
10:52<atula>JshWright: Mezzanine
10:52<JshWright>s/on the node//
10:52<atula>a django cms
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10:53<heylookanoob>looks to me like the user is www-data
10:53<atula>I'm going to host a few blogs on 1 mezzanine project
10:53<priyesh>yeah
10:53<atula>apache+wsgi
10:53<JshWright>Mezzanine should have caching built in... throw some memcached at it and you should be good to go
10:53<atula>cool
10:54<priyesh>heylookanoob: could you do a $sudo chown -R www-data:www-data ./
10:54<priyesh>inside the www dir for the Virtual Host
10:54<heylookanoob>ok, one sec...
10:54<JshWright>atula: what DC are you in?
10:54<atula>it might be Newark
10:54<atula>close by
10:55<heylookanoob>priyesh: done
10:55<JshWright>well, if you'll forgive the shameless plug, I can provide you with some local memcached space (https://linsides.com)
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10:55<JshWright>if you don't want to use any RAM on your node itself for caching
10:56<atula>JshWright: definitely will take a look at that in the next few days. right now, I just want to bring things up first hehe
10:56<atula>thank you for the resources though
10:56<atula>(bookmarked!)
10:57<JshWright>just in case I didn't make it clear, I'm promoting my own product there, nothing "official" from Linode
10:57<JoFe>heylookanoob: just a quick check, you have created the new virtualhost in a new file in /etc/apache/sites-available and symlinked it in /etc/apache/sites-enabled ?
10:58<heylookanoob>yep
10:58<heylookanoob>followed the linode guide to the letter
10:58<heylookanoob>on setting up a LAMP server
10:58<akerl>JoFe: Can you pastebin both the working config and one that isn't working?
10:58<akerl>Oops
10:58<akerl>heylookanoob: ^^
10:58<heylookanoob>sure
10:59<priyesh>akerl beat me to it :P
10:59<heylookanoob>the one that isn't working is here: http://p.linode.com/5364
10:59<heylookanoob>working one: http://p.linode.com/5366
11:00<heylookanoob>do i need to add <Directory ... /> to the one that isn't working?
11:00<heylookanoob>with an Allow from all statement?
11:00<akerl>Why doesn't your working one have a ServerName?
11:01<heylookanoob>it's the default
11:01<akerl>...
11:01<akerl>Is it being loaded first?
11:01<heylookanoob>yeah
11:01<akerl>Then it's also the only
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11:01<heylookanoob>oh?
11:01<priyesh>heylookanoob: add : "ServerName domain.com"
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11:02<akerl>Apache checks your configs through until it finds a match. It's not searching the whole configs for the "best" match
11:02<akerl>So when your first vhost has no ServerName, it wins every time
11:02<heylookanoob>ah
11:02<heylookanoob>didnt know that
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11:02<heylookanoob>THAT DID IT
11:02<priyesh>heylookanoob: you may also want to put some "ServerAlias www.domain.com" in too
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11:03<heylookanoob>thanks guys... it's always something like that...
11:03<heylookanoob>appreciate the help
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11:23<priyesh>does anyone here use gallery3?
11:24<Tiven_>used to, whats up
11:24<Tiven_>i should reinstall it one of these days
11:26<pharaun>i like to recommend smugmug myself
11:26<priyesh>Tiven_: do you know if it supports S3 very well?
11:26<priyesh>i've found an S3 module for it
11:26<Tiven_>sorry no experience with s3, used it with my linode
11:26<Tiven_>but it shouuuuuld be ok i guess?
11:27<Tiven_>s3 is pretty much good for static stuff
11:27<priyesh>i might just fire up a VM and test it out
11:27<Tiven_>its crap when you use it as a filesystem though
11:27<priyesh>Tiven_: oh no! not for filesystem, just to put the photos on there
11:28<priyesh>wouldn't use it for file system any day
11:28<Tiven_>then yea you should be good to go
11:28<priyesh>thanks, will test it out later in a VM
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11:31<graq>If I have a bunch of photos that I want to put into groups and share some with the world, and the others with just family. And I want to do that 'integrated' into my own web site. What would you recommend?
11:32<pharaun>gallery i suppose, i personally recommend smugmug
11:32<erik`>flickr?
11:32<pharaun>there's always flickr
11:32<erik`>i stopped doing my own image hosting?
11:33<erik`>s/?//
11:33<graq>I didn't say I should host them, just that it should work with my own web site.
11:34<graq>I'm mainly curious because there seems to be so much available that is a bit like that, but they all have querks.
11:34<pharaun>smugmug? but its going to cost $ but you can alter/tweak/beat on the theme to make it look like your own site and iirc you can do direct link to specific images in the blog i think
11:34<pharaun>i put it on its own sub-domain for my website so it looks like its part of my site
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11:36<graq>I know it has an advert layover bar in it, but youtube, for example is eacy to add to sites. With oEmbed you can just paste the urls in.
11:36<graq>s/eacy/easy/
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11:39<pilesofstones>I just managed to get on here and then a big thunderbolt took our my local exchange! Gutted...
11:39<@Perihelion>o_o
11:40<pilesofstones>I'm new to VPS, and everyone has recommended Linode. I'm no linux god. Do you they have any screencasts for talking through a setup and launch?
11:40<akerl>pilesofstones: Check out the Library. http://library.linode.com
11:40<@Perihelion>We have a whole library of documentation
11:41<D1Nk>pilesofst: bookmark this http://library.linode.com
11:41<pilesofstones>Any nice colourful videos for simpletons? :D I'll have a read through.
11:41<D1Nk>when i came to linode i knew nothing about linux. now im the "go to" guy and all i've done is read Linode's guides. <3
11:42<akerl>No nice colorful videos. But text tends to be better for snagging commands from
11:42<pilesofstones>That's true akerl
11:42<pilesofstones>So... is Linode an UK company? It's just so many devs I know over here all recommend it.
11:42<linbot>New news from forums: IP Swapping in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7139>
11:43<akerl>Nope. They're US based. But they have a DC in London
11:43<D1Nk>pilesofst: true except most of the commands linode has in their guides dont have "sudo" :(
11:43<pilesofstones>I know you can set your nodes wherever...
11:43<akerl>D1Nk: That's because their guides are designed to be run as root
11:44<@Perihelion>Not everyone uses sudo even when they have the option either
11:44<D1Nk>akerl: blasphemy! i feel dirty when i am logged in (or even just su'd) as root
11:44<akerl>meh.
11:45<D1Nk>akerl: then again im paranoid when it comes to that kind of stuff
11:46<pilesofstones>Why would you be paranoid when you're in as root...
11:46<pilesofstones>I'd be more paranoid if I wasn't root making the changes
11:46<akerl>pilesofstones: Lots of the changes can't be made as non-root. But as root, it's much easier to break things on accident
11:48<D1Nk>pilesofst: essentially what akerl just said. i dont trust myself as root most the time.
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11:52<Tiven_>root is dangerous
11:52<pilesofstones>So.. D1Nk I know this is big can of worms... But for my first deployment. Ubuntu?
11:52<akerl>Tiven_: So is driving. But I won't be shredding my license anytime soon
11:52<Tiven_>fair enough
11:53<Tiven_>but its quite different i think ^_^
11:53<D1Nk>pilesofst: honestly I couldnt tell you to pick one OS over another cause i've only used Ubuntu/ Squeeze. As a new user to Linode though I would recommend Ubuntu mostly bc theres a lot of documentation by linode for Ubuntu
11:53<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
11:53<akerl>pilesofstones: Either Ubuntu 10.04 LTS or Debian 6. I've heard people suggest Slackware also. I guess it depends on how much you need your server immeadiately operational
11:54<hawk>mikegrb: No, they don't. Don't be absurd.
11:54<pilesofstones>Most of the managed dedicated services I've used in the past have almost always been RH. But I imagine that the learning curve would be too great.
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12:04<JshWright>pilesofstones: if you're comfortable with RedHat, then CentOS would be an option
12:04<pilesofstones>I think my best bet is to just get dug in. I'm only looking to deploy drupal sites. Nothing mad.
12:05<@Perihelion>!library drupal
12:05<linbot>Perihelion: http://library.linode.com/
12:05<@Perihelion>I thought it searched before :<
12:05<@Perihelion>Maybe I'm just dumb
12:05<@Perihelion>Either way, there's a guide
12:05<pilesofstones>Yeah, I can deploy with the mercury and all sorts
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12:05<pilesofstones>that, and drush is superduper handy
12:06<@Perihelion>Ah, then you'll be fine haha'
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12:21<GLaDOSDan>!rfc 6177
12:21<linbot>GLaDOSDan: RFC 6177: IPv6 Address Assignment to End Sites. T. Narten, G. Huston, L. Roberts. March 2011. (Obsoletes RFC3177) (Also BCP0157) (Status: BEST CURRENT PRACTICE) - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc6177.txt
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12:58<linbot>New news from forums: mod_rewrite troubles in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7016>
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13:00<Randall>mwalling: That article gets to Philosophy, it looks like.
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13:05<stokes>is there some documentation on creating 301 redirects for www domains?
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13:07<stokes>when i do an seo test it shows www.domain.com and domain.com as 2 seperate domains
13:07<ruPPa>Can someone tell me how and where I change my ftp permissions?
13:07<stokes>do i redirect www to domain.com or vice versa
13:09<KoFish>doesn't most people agree that www. is a useless prefix (same as adding .php and stuff to paths)?
13:09<whitebook>stokes : Yes
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13:09<stokes>yea but search engines think they are 2 different sites
13:09<whitebook>Not if you do redirect
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13:10<Tiven_>KoFish : no, www is even MORE useless than .php
13:10<whitebook>301 is moved permanently
13:10<stokes>yea, so www to domain.com whitebook?
13:10<Tiven_>also know whats really annoying?
13:10<whitebook>Preference
13:10<whitebook>Up to you
13:10<Tiven_>webmasters not setting their website to work without www.
13:10<stokes>ah ok
13:10<GLaDOSDan>Tiven_ agreed
13:10<stokes>thanks
13:10<whitebook>No Problem
13:12<echoline>security audit, por favor: http://github.com/echoline/xcgid
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13:18<bjorne>I didn't know people were still using xinetd these days
13:18<SpaceHobo><redacted>
13:18<echoline>:)
13:18<Tiven_>SpaceHobo: i dont know if i ever told you but
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13:19<Tiven_>i love your name
13:19<@heckman>o_O
13:19<bjorne>SpaceHobo: well, the way most applications do it?
13:19<Tiven_>eww
13:19<@heckman>I don't know if I am supposed to be aroused or disgusted.
13:19<SpaceHobo><redacted>
13:19<@Perihelion>I was both
13:19<Tiven_>hey heckman did u read before
13:20<Tiven_>i managed to fix my linode, i think there is no need to redeploy anytime soon
13:20<@heckman>Probably not. Was in VIM hacking on a script. Ah sweet, good to hear!
13:20<echoline>bjorne: why write socket code if you have xinetd? :D
13:20<vraa>should "ipconntrack" ever decrease over time? i'm afraid i perhaps have misconfigured my linode
13:20<SpaceHobo><redacted>
13:20<vraa>over the last week it has climbed from 5 to 25
13:20<Tiven_>yeah, aptitude offered 12 solutions and every single one of them wanted to install apache for some reason. so i let it do its thing and then removed apache and nginx and reinstalled nginx
13:20<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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13:20<bjorne>echoline: heh, I was just under the impression that *inetd was unsafe, but maybe that isn't quite true
13:20<SpaceHobo><redacted>
13:20<Tiven_>and now i can update, upgrade, everything without problems :D
13:21<echoline>bjorne: hmm?
13:21<SpaceHobo><redacted>
13:21<bjorne>echoline: maybe it comes from this bit on xinetd's homepage "xinetd is a secure replacement for inetd."
13:21<echoline>bjorne: hmm
13:22<echoline>secure as in, does not work by default?
13:22<stokes>is there a timeout limit for ssh sessions?
13:23<echoline>dammit, now i have to admit i'm using apache... i'm getting a 403
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13:24<echoline>stokes: there is always a timeout limit, imposed if only by apocalypse
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13:24<stokes>yea but surely not in the range of 1 minute
13:24<echoline>:x
13:24<pharaun>the limit is -> ∞-1 :)
13:24<echoline>stokes: not yet maybe
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13:25<@mikegrb>lulz
13:25<echoline>pharaun: lol
13:25<pharaun>stokes: so after waiting for a minute you are kicked out of ssh ?
13:25<stokes>im trying to figure out why my connection drops so quickly
13:25<stokes>pharaun: yea
13:25<pharaun>do you have um keep-alive enabled anywhere ?
13:25<stokes>client or server?
13:25<pharaun>could be firewall/router dropping your connection
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13:26<stokes>i have tcpkeepalive commented out
13:27<ruPPa>can someone help me with some ftp security questions? I know very little in this area and could use a hand.
13:27<retro|blah>stokes: You might try changing ClientAliveInterval from 0 to 60 in sshd_config
13:28<stokes>retro|blah: cool let me try that
13:28<retro|blah>(And uncomment the ClientAliveInterval line, of course ;)
13:28<retro|blah>You'll need to restart sshd afterwards
13:28<stokes>yea :)
13:28<stokes>ok restarting now lets see if i stay connected
13:28<pharaun>yeah try that, it should send traffic every so often should help you could just have a router that is quick to drop connections
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13:32<stokes>so far so good! :)
13:33<Tiven_>pfsense 4 life
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13:41<stokes>spoke to soon
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13:44<pharaun>cut out still?
13:45<stokes>yea but this time took longer
13:45<stokes>so its probably network related on my end
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13:47<Tiven>test
13:47<Tiven>ok
13:47<pharaun>how much longer?
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13:47<stokes>about 5 minutes longer
13:47<pharaun>an improvement but would still be annoying :)
13:47<stokes>yea i just not sure what it could be, im connected over ovpn to my work just fine
13:48<pharaun>btw if you didn't know, use screen in case you are doing something and is disconnected middle of a task
13:48<pharaun>should help in the mean time
13:48<stokes>ah yea i need to install that
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13:52<@caker>Native IPv6 enabled Linodes are now available in Dallas! \o/ - http://www.linode.com/IPv6/
13:52<@caker>Native IPv6 enabled Linodes are now available in Dallas! \o/ - http://www.linode.com/IPv6/
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13:52<@caker>Native IPv6 enabled Linodes are now available in Dallas! \o/ - http://www.linode.com/IPv6/
13:52<dcraig>is there an ETA on when ipv6 will be in dallas?
13:52<GLaDOSDan>hm
13:52<GLaDOSDan>I don't know
13:52<bd_>dcraig: about 20 minutes ago
13:52<@jed>dcraig: soon
13:53<Nivex>caker: w00t!
13:53<@psandin>dcraig: -soon
13:53<pharaun>caker: \o/ good job :D
13:54<dcraig>got my ticket in :p
13:54<@jed>dcraig: ticket 462337?
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13:54<dcraig>that's the one
13:55<@jed>updated
13:55<dcraig>yay!
13:55<dcraig>oh no!
13:55<@jed>:>
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13:56<dcraig>the pool addresses didn't show up
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13:57<dcraig>there they are! :D
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13:58<@Perihelion>GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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14:02<Nivex>AAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
14:02<Nivex>:)
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14:03<@Perihelion>\o/
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14:04<Big-Papa>Hey, I', currently running Ubuntu 9.04 with latest 2.6 Legacy. How would I upgrade to a newer Ubuntu distro?
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14:10<MTecknology>you guys going to miss me when I depart irc?
14:10<MTecknology>no? :(
14:10<MTecknology>bullies
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14:14<@Perihelion>^_^
14:14<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/wikis/ikiwiki/ubuntu-10.10-maverick> || Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid) <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/wikis/ikiwiki/ubuntu-10.04-lucid> || Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/debian-6-squeeze> || Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki
14:14<@heckman>Big-Papa: For the most part I believe you could follow the Linode Library article about upgrading to 10.10. However, I've never tried to skip a release
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14:14<@heckman>Big-Papa: You will need to definitely change to the latest Paravirt kernel as part of the upgrade. As well as enabling "devtmpfs" in your configuration profile after the upgrade is finished.
14:15<@heckman>Also, I meant 10.04 not 10.10
14:15<@Perihelion>I don't think you can skip
14:15<@jed>you cannot skip
14:15*Yaakov skips in defiance.
14:15<@heckman>Ah, so you'll need to edit the sources.list. Easy enough.
14:15*Perihelion slaps Yaakov around a bit with a large cactus
14:15<@jed>no, don't do that, either
14:15<low->so
14:15<low->keep getting disconnected
14:15<@jed>you progressively upgrade through them
14:15<low->ddos?
14:16<low->service been flakey for almost an hour now
14:16<@heckman>Hrm, I guess the 09.10 article is long gone.
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14:16<Yaakov>I am partially resolved to completely rebuild my 'node on another 'node rather than upgrade.
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14:16<@Perihelion>We don't delete articles, so there probably never was one
14:17*heckman must be thinking of something else he saw then.
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14:17<@Perihelion>\o/
14:17<@heckman>Hrm
14:18<@heckman>I cannot seem to find any good articles. D:
14:18<@heckman>Ah hA
14:18<Yaakov>If I do, everything is up for change save functionality. I will almost certainly dump Sendmail in favor of Exim, for example. I will possibly switch from Apache to NginX. I *might* even choose to switch to Ubuntu from Debian.
14:18<@irgeek>low-: Disconnected from what?
14:19<Big-Papa>Ooh, answers!
14:19<@heckman>Yaakov: Are you still fighting with Debian 6? Also, Big-Papa trying to get you an article that explains 9.04 -> 9.10
14:19<Big-Papa>allright
14:19<Big-Papa>ill try to find one
14:20<low->the vps
14:20<low->is dropping packets
14:20<low->outages over the last hour have lasted for 5 mins or so about 6 times
14:20<low->im suprised i havent been disconnected yet
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14:20<@caker>low-: there's a lot of Internet between you and the Linode. Use mtr to see where the loss is happening along the route
14:20<Big-Papa>I purchased a backup for my linode, in case everything gets fucked on an upgrade
14:21<low->i have users from all over the country that are being disconnected today
14:21<low->its your end
14:21<low->as usual
14:21<pharaun>mtr or it did not happen
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14:21<pharaun>remember the internet is a big place
14:22<low->fair warning your dallas node is having issues
14:22<low->you heard it here first
14:22<low->;)
14:22<@heckman>Big-Papa: http://goo.gl/dVzEt
14:22<pharaun>i'm not on dallas
14:22<@caker>low-: please provide an mtr in both directions.
14:22<@irgeek>low-: Our monitoring hasn't detected any issues with the network, and we haven't received any other reports of issues.
14:22<low->its intermittent
14:22<low->and working fine now
14:22<low->when tis not working, i cant connect
14:22<pharaun>next time you see it, hit it with a mtr
14:22<low->will do
14:23<Big-Papa>heckman: Looks simply enough, should I do a backup?
14:23<pharaun>Big-Papa: always do backup
14:23<pharaun>[a]
14:23<Big-Papa>Is a snapshot enough?
14:23<pharaun>a linode snapshot?
14:24<Big-Papa>yes
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14:24<pharaun>then yes afaik
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14:24<Big-Papa>allright
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14:24<Big-Papa>how long does it take actually?
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14:25<Big-Papa>to take a snapshot?
14:25<Big-Papa>10 or so min?
14:25<@irgeek>If you just enabled backups it will take longer. If you've had a backup already, the snapshot it usually really fast.
14:26<Big-Papa>status: needsPostProcessing
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14:27<@heckman>Big-Papa: give it a few minutes and you should be ready to rock!
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14:28<mwalling>Randall: yeah, i screwed up and ended up going through "Greek", which was looping back
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14:30<Big-Papa>heckman: Great!
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14:36<Big-Papa>status: needsPostProcessing still..
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14:39<Big-Papa>uuuuhmm.. okay so the snapshot is allright now. but when i try to run sudo apt-get install update-manager-core i receive "E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?"
14:40<Big-Papa>I get 404's on us.archive.ubuntu.com/* urls
14:41<Big-Papa>Any ideas?
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14:41<@Perihelion>The distro you're using probably isn't in the mirrors anymore :S
14:42<@heckman>Big-Papa: Hrm, I think it should be using http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ -- you'll need to update your mirrors me thinks.
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14:43<dcraig>does your /etc/resolv.conf look similar to the one at http://library.linode.com/networking/configuring-static-ip-interfaces#sph_dns-resolver-settings ?
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14:44<@heckman>I mean, mine has the nameserver lines. Haha. That's about it tho
14:44<Big-Papa>hmm
14:44<Big-Papa>So I need to edit my /etc/sources.list and add old-releases?
14:44<dcraig>I had a problem with apt-get once because I didn't have the domain and search lines and had also configured a wildcard DNS entry for my domain
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14:45<dcraig>and apt-get was trying to access us.archive.ubuntu.com.mydomain.com or something
14:45<@heckman>dcraig: He's running 9.04. It's not a maintained distro any longer, so the repositories get moved.
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14:45<dcraig>only affected my use of apt-get... everything else worked fine
14:45<@heckman>Big-Papa: I believe so. Admittedly I've never done it before.
14:45<@heckman>Just replace the URL in sources.list
14:46<Big-Papa>hmm okay
14:47<@heckman>Big-Papa: maybe save a copy just in case, so you can revert back easily
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14:48<Big-Papa>i think it worked
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14:49<Big-Papa>yep
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14:49<the|Navigator>I remember when I installed 9.04. I think it may have been my first installation of Ubuntu on a laptop, actually.
14:49<Big-Papa>updating the system now
14:49<the|Navigator>That would have been just over 2 years ago
14:49<@heckman>Big-Papa: Good to hear. Once the upgrade is finished you'll need to do one thing in the Linode Manager. You'll need to change your kernel to the latest paravirt then issue a reboot.
14:49<Peng>Dallas has IPv6 now, then?
14:49*Peng hasn't got Firefox open yet
14:49<Big-Papa>how long does it usually take to upgrade
14:49<@heckman>Peng: <3
14:50<Peng>Hmm.
14:50<Big-Papa>heckman: ahh, alright. and thats all?
14:50<the|Navigator>Big-Papa: Forever. Or that's what it feels like.
14:50<@heckman>Big-Papa: Yeah. But then you'll need to upgrade to 10.10
14:50<Big-Papa>i see
14:50<@heckman>Big-Papa: http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-ubuntu-10.10-maverick
14:50<@heckman>There's a Linode article for that one! :)
14:50<Big-Papa>great :D
14:50<Big-Papa>that will make it easier
14:50<@heckman>Peng: you're all set.
14:51<Big-Papa>ill need to start paying attention to versions
14:51<Big-Papa>jesus christ
14:51<Big-Papa>im way behind
14:51<@heckman>I'd stay on 10.10 for a bit. You get 5 years of support.
14:51<@heckman>er sorry 10.04...jesus I am off
14:51<the|Navigator>Big-Papa: Yeah, that happens quickly with ubu, with their rapid release schedule
14:51<@heckman>one sec
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14:51<@heckman>Big-Papa: Use this one next: http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/upgrade-to-ubuntu-10.04-lucid
14:52<@heckman>I would stay on 10.04 for a bit as it's an LTS.
14:53<the|Navigator>No more LTSes until Apr '12?
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14:53<Big-Papa>allright, 10.04 it is then
14:53<Big-Papa>i really just wanna update my system and get a minecraft server running for my pals
14:54<@heckman>What size Linode do you have?
14:55<mwalling>twss
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14:56<the|Navigator>I hear minecraft explodes the lower servers (512, 1024)?
14:56<dominikh>gah, even Dallas has IPv6 now... damn you, London
14:56<Peng>Hmm, there are link-local IPs too. What are those for again? :P
14:57<erik`>local links
14:57<Peng>It's the equivalent of RFC 1918, right?
14:57<@caker>the|Navigator: no. there are options to java to make it not so memory hungry
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15:01<erik`>Peng, no, it's local only to the link
15:02<Big-Papa>should i restart the system?
15:02<erik`>in theory, the same address can be seen through two different interfaces, i think
15:02<Big-Papa>via the installation og via. the web gui at linode?
15:02<Big-Papa>or*
15:02<Peng>@_@
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15:07<rummik>Is there any solution for someone in need of, say, 500GB or more?
15:08<rummik>For storage, not bandwidth
15:09<straterra>the|Navigator: keep in mind that Minecraft does needs lots of memory if you want more than 1-2 people playing and if you want a decent sized playing area
15:10<straterra>the|Navigator: I had to nab a machine at work and give the server 8GB of ram to make it playable for 12 or less players
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15:12<Yaakov>rummik: A CDN like Amazon S3.
15:13<@heckman>straterra: I can only imagine that was the best LAN party ever.
15:13<rummik>Yaakov: That's what Google has been saying -- just wanted to make sure
15:13<Yaakov>S3 is good, there are other options but I don't know much about them.
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15:15<Peng>rummik: A 16 GB or 20 GB node? https://manager.linode.com/signup
15:15<Big-Papa>hmm.. doesnt seem like my update went as planned folks
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15:15<Big-Papa>unless its on purpose to kill the ssh daemon
15:16<rummik>Peng: That's...kind of expensive just for the storage
15:17<the|Navigator>Big-Papa: have you lost network or just ssh?
15:18<Yaakov>rummik: Linode + S3 = cool beans.
15:18<the|Navigator>If it's just SSH, maybe a config file is wrong now (wrong syntax/update has overwritten config)
15:19<rummik>Yaakov: 'Kay, thanks Yaakov
15:21<Big-Papa>the|Navigator: hm... how would i check if its only ssh? ping it?
15:22<the|Navigator>I would connect to the server over LISH, and run some checks
15:23<the|Navigator>you know, ip addr, see if it's actually got eth0 up
15:23<Big-Papa>im into lish now
15:23<the|Navigator>Perhaps read the final lines of the system logs, grep for an ssh failure of some kind
15:23<Big-Papa>its up
15:23<the|Navigator>check if ssh is running in htop... etc, etc.
15:24<xt3mp0r>from where can i get my linode API key, can't find it on linode manager :/
15:24<Big-Papa>uhm
15:24<Big-Papa>i accidentally typed ping domain.com
15:24<@caker>xt3mp0r: my profile, top right
15:24<Big-Papa>and now its spamming it via lish
15:24<Big-Papa>how do i press ctrl+c in lish?
15:25<xt3mp0r>caker: cool, thanks
15:25<the|Navigator>Big-Papa: Are you using LISH over SSH? I thought you could use that shortcut as-is.
15:26<Big-Papa>no, im using lish via ajax at the linode cpanel
15:26<@irgeek>Browser support for the AJAX version isn't perfect. Some browsers don't pass all key strokes through.
15:27<the|Navigator>Yeah, use the SSH version
15:27<@irgeek>I you connect over SSH it will work.
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15:29<Peng>I'm just curious, why /116? Why not an even 16 bits, say?
15:30<@irgeek>So people like you can speculate why we chose that.
15:31<the|Navigator>I know why it is!
15:31<the|Navigator>"Because we can.", right?
15:31<Peng>irgeek: Jerk. :P <3
15:31<Peng>!dns6 ns1.linode.com.
15:31<linbot>Peng: 69.93.127.10
15:32<@irgeek>Not yet.
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15:33<dand>what's the difference between Rebuild and Depoly a Linux Distribution?
15:33<@irgeek>Rebuild removes your existing images & profile first.
15:33<the|Navigator>Also, 116 is t in ASCII. t for "this has been waiting to launch for long enough."
15:34<TheFirst>ooo dallas has IPv6 now? suhweet!
15:34<xt3mp0r>anyone here uses cloudkick?
15:35<@caker>dand: rebuild blows everything away first. Deploy adds another deployment to your stuff
15:35<dand>caker: if I have one partition that is the whole disk size I have to rebuild?
15:36<Peng>dand: You could resize it down.
15:36<@caker>dand: no - you could resize that disk image and then deploy something next to it
15:36<dand>ok. thanks
15:36<Peng>OK, I'm sort of not fully awake. I should definitely work on networking! :P
15:36*heckman is too excited to sleep
15:36<the|Navigator>Peng: netwaking.
15:36<HIghoS>caker: I love that you guys are offering IPv6 now. I just don't want to reboot! 484 days and counting, although I guess a new kernel is in order not to mention I'd get more ram and could get more disk space if I resized considering you guys have upgraded my packages since then! <3
15:37<@heckman>I should have been asleep 4 hours ago
15:37<Peng>HIghoS: Haha, you too?
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15:38<Peng>God, it's been so long since I've rebooted it's probably not gonna come up. :X
15:38<HIghoS>Peng: haha. I had that happen once!
15:38<HIghoS>Peng: That was back when my system was a Linux From Scratch build back in 2001-2002 and it had 385 days of uptime.
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15:38<HIghoS>I had rebuild glibc and the toolchain and all the apps about 3-4 times in that uptime.
15:39<HIghoS>Ended up having todo some hackering with initrd to get it to come back all up again at the end of the day.
15:39<HIghoS>I was totally going to try it and move it via an UPS too but one of the guys helping me noticed it was running and turned it off. Grrr!
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15:40<Peng>I haven't done anything that extreme, but I've reconfigured -- and sometimes recompiled -- all the services.
15:40*HIghoS nods.
15:40<HIghoS>I use to be pretty involved with the project so I was all over it. We use to build servers from scratch and rebuild then and reboot all the time back in the lilo days with no serial consoles.
15:41<HIghoS>You only ever made a mistake once or twice with having someone having to go into the colo across the country =P
15:42<TheFirst>HIghoS: way to jinx me ... my node is at 380 days and I'll be rebooting sometime soon :/
15:42<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Monitor System Logs with Logwatch on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) <http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring/logwatch/ubuntu-10.10-maverick> || Monitor System Logs with Logwatch on Fedora 14 <http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring/logwatch/fedora-14> || Use MySQL Relational Databases on Arch Linux <http://library.linode.com/databases/mysql/arch-linux> || Monitoring Servers with Munin on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <http://l
15:42<HIghoS>TheFirst: Sorry :/
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15:43<HIghoS>I'm gonna try and hit 500 before I resist the urge to reboot to get ipv6. It's annoying me though, I've waited quite a while for that feature :D And the extra ram and disk space would be nice though. Can never say enough about Linode to other ppl I meet!
15:43<TheFirst>guess I'll finally get to use that extra ram the linode gods gave us a while back
15:44<HIghoS>(the only thing that would make it better is if they had an colo/datacenter location in Toronto at 151st Front)!!!
15:44<HIghoS>caker: ^ ?? I can wish :D
15:44<the|Navigator>HIghoS: I should sell you a box with a light in it. Minimal upgrades required, the uptime would be immense.
15:44<the|Navigator>HIghoS: I could offer you all kinds of upgrades, you'd shun them, simply ensuring that the light remains on.
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15:45<HIghoS>the|Navigator: I really don't care that much about uptime. My remarks are more .. positive in terms of the reliability of the services Linode provides.
15:45<Peng>HIghoS: Lucky for me, I hit 500 earlier this month.
15:45<the|Navigator>HIghoS: Oh, I see.
15:46<HIghoS>I've only ever had one downtime, which was when this box was last rebooted with Linode in my account history. Nothing to complain about compared to most other providers.
15:46*drewr too
15:47<ryansully>I've got over 250 days of uptime
15:47<linbot>New news from forums: What is network transfer pool? in /dev/random <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7163>
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15:47<@heckman>Well. I am going to try and get some sleep. Going to fail tho. o/
15:47<TheFirst>heckman: frying pan to the head
15:47<Peng>heckman: Well, um, good night. Or something. (I did the same thing last night!)
15:47<the|Navigator>heckman: Count IPv6es. You won't run out very soon.
15:48<Peng>(That's why I'm even more tired now than before I went to sleep.)
15:48<ryansully>Too bad 99% of my stuff doesn't support IPv6 yet. Thanks AOL ;D
15:48<Peng>Of course, if I _hadn't_ gone to sleep then, I'd probably be asleep now, unaware of IPv6 in Dallas!
15:48<@heckman>TheFirst: Terrible idea, you do the|Navigator. Peng: I got some great news and the excitement of it has my mind running 1000 miles a minute. Haha
15:48<@heckman>s/do/too/
15:48<the|Navigator>TheFirst does me?
15:49<TheFirst>um, no?
15:49<@heckman>I fixed that. Don't even try to bring it up.
15:49*the|Navigator tries
15:49<TheFirst>heckman: and that excitement would be...? you're STD free?
15:49*the|Navigator catches
15:49<the|Navigator>Yeah, 'CANT_BRING_UP' error.
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15:50<@heckman>TheFirst: My girlfriend got offered a job around here. So the long distance relationship won't be so long distance within 2-3 weeks.
15:50<@heckman>It wasn't the job she had interviewed for. However, they were so impressed with her interview they offered her another position. To get her foot in the door out here.
15:50<TheFirst>ah...that excitement will wear off about day 2 after the move :P
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15:51<@heckman>Nah shouldn't have to worry about that.
15:52<linbot>New news from forums: IP Swapping in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7139>
15:52<HIghoS>heckman: Nice, congrats to her.
15:52<HIghoS>Always nice when that happens!
15:53<@heckman>Indeed. We were pretty much prepared to her having not gotten this one either. This was definitely an interesting change of events.
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16:00<CompWizrd>TheFirst: the excitement of the new job, or the excitement of having the girlfriend living nearby? :P
16:01<HoopyCat>aww man, now we're going to have to share heckman with some sort of offline existence :-/
16:01<HoopyCat>i mean, uhh, congrats!
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16:02<erik`>HoopyCat, the solution to that is simple: get her on irc too
16:03<MacsFromGS>Hello, I'm trying to Get SSL up on both of my IP's i got it up on one then i tried the other one and now apache2 won't start not even if i remove the ssl from the IP's :S
16:03-!-lanthan [~ze@p54B7B5BB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out]
16:03<magicalfruit>One heckman is more than enough.
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16:04<pharaun>heckwoman :p
16:04<magicalfruit>That remains to be seen!
16:05<@heckman>HoopyCat: Not likely. She's bringing his 42inch TV and XBOX 360, so I'm sure that'll keep her busy.
16:05<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: hmm... pastebin the output of 'apache2ctl -S' ?
16:05<MacsFromGS>ok
16:05<@heckman>pharaun: sadly she does not like the pseudoviking beard. So I may have to do some convincing to at least do no-shave November
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16:06<MacsFromGS>HoopyCat http://pastebin.com/pBbCpFNr
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16:07<@Perihelion>JoeK: FEEL MAH PIMP HAND SUCKA
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16:07*JoeK slaps Perihelion around ALOT with row
16:07*Perihelion slaps JoeK around a bit with a large cactus
16:08<JoeK>._.
16:08<pharaun>!alot
16:08<linbot>http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | http://e-cabi.net/alot.jpg
16:08<@Perihelion>Why is the e-cabi link still there
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16:08<Nivex>because you didn't remove it
16:08<@heckman>Jeez, that e-cabi link took like 15 seconds to load
16:09<@Perihelion>I didn't add it either
16:09<@Perihelion>Loaded fine for me
16:09<Peng>!dns6 e-cabi.net
16:09<linbot>Peng: 109.74.198.213
16:09<@Perihelion>It's in London :P
16:10<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: hmm... what happens when you try to start apache?
16:10<MacsFromGS>it says it failed to start
16:10<@Perihelion>Hmm, it shares a box with jira
16:10<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: anything in apache's error log?
16:11<MacsFromGS>nope
16:11<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: interesting that it is finding configuration in httpd.conf... which distro is this?
16:11<MacsFromGS>ubuntu 10.04
16:12<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: huh, httpd.conf should be empty... /etc/apache2/ports.conf should be where the Listen and NameVirtualHost directives live, with individual sites in sites-available (with symlinks to sites-enabled)... pastebin your httpd.conf?
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16:12<linbot>New news from forums: I'm running out of storage in my server.. in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7157>
16:12<MacsFromGS>ok
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16:13<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: which instructions are you using to set this up, btw?
16:13<MacsFromGS>the one on linode.com
16:13<HoopyCat>weird
16:14<MacsFromGS>also http://pastebin.com/9fxcpZq1 is my httpd.conf
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16:16<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: you probably want ServerName to be something that actually exists in the DNS (e.g. logicirc.net, instead of LogicIRC)
16:16<MacsFromGS>ok
16:16<MacsFromGS>done..
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16:18<HoopyCat>any change?
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16:18<MacsFromGS>nope
16:18<Peng>"Automount devtmpfs" -- should I or should I not?
16:18<Peng>(Ubuntu Hardy)
16:19<Karrde>do it
16:19<Karrde>you won't
16:19<HoopyCat>Peng: i am set "No" on both of my hardy boxes
16:19<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: anything at all in /var/log/apache2/error.log (or something like that)?
16:20<MacsFromGS>nope its just a blank file :s
16:20<Peng>I just created a new Hardy node, and it was "Yes", and it works.
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16:21<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: hmm... well, what's your ports.conf look like?
16:22<MacsFromGS>HoopyCat http://pastebin.com/RBTNx9UG
16:22<HoopyCat>Peng: nod, i think it's one of those things where "yes" will always work but "no" only works with sufficiently-old stuff
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16:24<Peng>I'll set "Yes" to be safe, then.
16:24<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: hmm... try adding NameVirtualHost <ip>:<port> for all combinations of both IPs and both ports to that file... i wonder if it is being cranky about that
16:24<Peng>Hmm, I just put an IPv6 tunnel on the new node, and it doesn't work. Blaaah.
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16:24<Peng>I hate IPv6! :P
16:24<MacsFromGS>ok
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16:26<Peng>"he-ipv6: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" <- Whyy?
16:26<HoopyCat>Peng: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
16:27<MacsFromGS>HoopyCat it still says its failed to start :s
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16:27<HoopyCat>MacsFromGS: 'ip addr' does show both of the IPs, right? outside of that, i might have to defer to someone who knows apache better than i... i think there's a way to get better error messages out of it
16:28<MacsFromGS>yes
16:28<ajmitch_>Peng: tunnel isn't up?
16:29<Peng>Mostly I'm whining -- I'm not asking for help *quite* yet. I literally made networking config from another, known-good one, with find/replace.
16:29*HoopyCat wanders back to the django catacombs
16:30<Peng>Actually, I'm not sure the old one _is_ known-good. I tinker with them frequently and haven't rebooted in a while.
16:31*ajmitch_ did it the lazy way & put it into a separate script rather than in /etc/network/interfaces
16:32<Peng>Hehe. That's no fun!
16:32<Peng>Oh! The modprobe thing!
16:32<Peng>Let's try that.
16:35<nDuff>How does one go about requesting an IPv6 pool? Need a support ticket, or is it hidden in the manager somewhere I'm not seeing?
16:35<Peng>nDuff: Ticket.
16:36<Peng>OK, did that, didn't work. Rebooted, now it does. \o/
16:36<Peng>Stupid modprobe issue. I'd suppressed it from my memory!
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16:58<bonjurkes2>hello room. quick question about subdomains. anyone up for it?
16:58<the|Navigator>!ask
16:58<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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16:59<bonjurkes2>oh there is even bot for that :) anyways, i want to setup a subdomain on apache, ubuntu box. I added the A record for subdomain from linode manager. And added entry on apache but here comes the question, should i create a new vhost file for my subdomain like subdomain.domain.com or just add it to the domain.com vhost file ?
16:59<dappy>why linode manager is down?
17:01<dappy>helllooo
17:01<@irgeek>It's not down.
17:01<dappy>hellooo
17:01<@irgeek>Could be a network issue between you and us.
17:02-!-AviMarcus [~avi@bzq-79-180-184-235.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #linode
17:02<AviMarcus>this is weird. My ping to london1.linode.com averages 50ms faster than the ping to both boxes of mine london. they have no load... any ideas?
17:03<bonjurkes2>try tracert ?
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17:03<@heckman>MTR > traceroute
17:03<dappy>oooh i will reboot t'internet connection
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17:06<dappy>its weird bz i can access linode.com but not linode manager
17:07<@jed>dappy: what happens when you try the linode manager?
17:07<bonjurkes2>perhaps cache issue ?
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17:07<AviMarcus>http://tinypaste.com/b6b5e1
17:08<AviMarcus>that's mtr faster to the test node than to my node
17:08<AviMarcus>so it's all at the last hop
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17:13<stefan3>!mtr
17:13<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
17:13<stefan3>!mtr-dallas
17:13<linbot>stefan3: (mtrdallas <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://69.56.173.18/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1".
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17:17<@irgeek>AviMarcus: They're taking different paths. Unfortunately, there's not much we can do about that.
17:18<linbot>New news from forums: Linode suddenly stuck on SYN_RECV for most requests in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7159>
17:19<@irgeek>We advertise all of our addresses the same way so they *should* take the same path but it's dependent on the configuration of every router along the path.
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17:19<AviMarcus>ah I see they are somewhat off. I tried from another computer and both got the same time
17:20<AviMarcus>I'm pretty sure it was always 100ms from there though, especially at night, which is why I'm puzzled.
17:20<stefan3>AviMarcus, I get the same for both my linodes in london and london1
17:20<Tiven>whats up
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17:21<stefan3>AviMarcus, im getting around 32ms from my location
17:22-!-octane is now known as octane-
17:23<purrdeta>yay who wants to help me with my fun IPv6 problems. Arch Linux, ping6 says Network Unreachable. What more would you like to know?
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17:24<linbot>New news from forums: How to create new subdomain? in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7164>
17:26<AviMarcus_>heh power blew
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17:30<linbot>New news from forums: Simple postfix installation in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7161>
17:31<bonjurkes2>is there a problem with linode's dns things? i changed one of my domain's ns to my new linode and intodns shows errors about ns settings
17:32<bonjurkes2>sorry my bad, got fixed
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17:34<nviror>What does the 'cuts' in the linode graph mean? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14319084/generate_graph.sh.png
17:36<nviror>cuts = blank spaces = white lines
17:36<@irgeek>It just means we missed a few updates on the server that handles graphing.
17:37<nviror>irgeek, okay.
17:39<nviror>am i over-paying to linode for memory usage? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14319084/crt.jpg
17:40<@jed>no - the kernel claims some for itself. you have exactly the amount you pay for
17:41<@jed>root@dallas89:~# xm list linode99906
17:41<@jed>Name ID Mem VCPUs State Time(s)
17:41<@jed>linode99906 394 768 4 -b---- 89434.8
17:41<nviror>jed, what's that?
17:41<@jed>that's your linode on its host, notice mem = 768
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17:42<nviror>but according to 'free -m', i'm only using 237mb rest is used by cache.
17:42<nDuff>nviror, ...and that's caching _your_ data
17:43<@jed>right - not all of it is made available to userspace by your kernel. the best explanation I have is that newer kernels set some memory aside
17:43<@jed>you definitely *have* the memory, but the kernel is hanging on to it
17:44<nDuff>nviror, ...if you want more of that to be directly used by applications (which may not be wise from a performance perspective), the kernel is yours to tune or replace.
17:44<nviror>ok, if i downgrade to say 512mb, will it affect my sites?
17:44<nDuff>nviror, depends on how much your sites depend on reading data out of that cache.
17:44<nDuff>nviror, ...if you're running a database server, for instance, cache is often essential.
17:45<nviror>I only use 2-3 wordpress sites with php-fpm, mysql behind it
17:45<nDuff>nviror, ...but the only real answer is "benchmark for your load"
17:45<nviror>with APC for php caching
17:46<nviror>nDuff, you mean CPU% ?
17:46<nviror>how to calculate load
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17:50<Jippi>Hi guys. I could really use some help with some unix file permisisons... I'm quite stuck. I'm setting up an envoriment where all our devs has their own uid (for git and security reasons) - and they all need to be able to edit www-data 's files - so I add www-data as their secondary group as well supplementary groups (with usermod on debian). So they have uid = 1000+($n) guid = 33 (www-data)
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17:50<Jippi>My umask is 0002 for each account
17:50<Jippi>everything in /var/www is 0775
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17:50<Jippi>but I'm not able to write to the files anyway (they are owned by www-data:www-data)
17:50<Jippi>any ideas how I can do this correctly?
17:51<Papa_Stefano>i think they can make www-data their 'acive' group with 'newgrp www-data'
17:51<Papa_Stefano>which will let them write files
17:51<Jippi>-rwxrwxr-x 1 www-data www-data 2664 May 17 09:44 css.php
17:52<Jippi>hmm, wtf
17:52<Jippi>i can append with echo "hi" >> $file
17:52<Jippi>put pico wont save the files
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17:52<Jippi>Error writing css.php: Operation not permitted when I use pico
17:52<Papa_Stefano>maybe a folder permission?
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17:53<Jippi>then I shouldnt be able to echo append to the file either?
17:53<Papa_Stefano>i don't use pico, but maybe it's turning what you think is an edit/update into a create to do a backup or something.
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17:53<Papa_Stefano>in which case, pico needs write permissions to the parent folder
17:53<Jippi> /var is drwxr-xr-x 14 root root /var/www is drwxrwsr-x 9 www-data www-data
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17:55<Papa_Stefano>so /var/www is 775, and if the user has 'newgrp www-data' to join that group in that shell, they should be able to write the file or create a new file
17:55<Papa_Stefano>what does user's 'id' output look like?
17:55<Jippi>uid=995(cw) gid=33(www-data) groups=1010(cw),33(www-data)
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17:55<Jippi>pico can create and edit new files just fine in the same folder it wont update css.php in
17:56<Papa_Stefano>what are permissions on css.php?
17:56<Papa_Stefano>nvm...see it above
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18:00<Papa_Stefano>can you 'touch' css.php?
18:00<Jippi>-> touch css.php
18:00<Jippi>touch: setting times of `css.php': Operation not permitted
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18:03<Papa_Stefano>is /var/www a mount point, or just a folder in /var?
18:03<Jippi>its a nfs mount point from glusterfs
18:04<Papa_Stefano>it may be a setting in /etc/fstab. the options need to allow you to write. should be somethin glike nosuid, nodev, natime, rw
18:05<nDuff>nviror, no, I don't mean CPU%. By "load", I mean workload.
18:05<Jippi>I'm using "mount -t nfs -o tcp,vers=3 $GLUSTER_SERVER_IP:/www /var/www"
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18:06<nviror>nDuff, got it. thanks.
18:08<Papa_Stefano>i advise looking at man for nfs and see what options are available. i've had mysterious permission problemns before due to fstab. but i can't be more specific. i haven't done nfs for years.
18:08<Papa_Stefano>because your file and folder permissions and ownership seem ok
18:09<purrdeta>pretty sure revip.info is broken...
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18:12<pygi>hi folks
18:12<pygi>quick question
18:12<pygi>do you have a policy on IOPS usage?
18:14<Papa_Stefano>and Jippi, i run umask 0022 on debian, so my experience may be different anyway
18:14<Peng>pygi: It's really just "if you cause problems for other users, you'll be ioniced".
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18:15<Peng>On Ubuntu Hardy, how do you check which package an executable belongs to?
18:15<pygi>Peng: ok, but what is the number of IOPS of your VM before you get ioniced?
18:15<Peng>pygi: Enough that someone else complains.
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18:15<chesty>Peng: dpkg -S <bin>
18:16<Peng>chesty: <3
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18:18<Jippi>Papa_Stefano: guess I have to debug more
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18:19<Papa_Stefano>gl
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18:28<Jippi>Papa_Stefano: as "www-data" i can touch any file just fine
18:29<Jippi>www-data and root is the only that seem to work
18:29<Papa_Stefano>and you don't want www-data to have write permissiosn in /var/www
18:31<Papa_Stefano>my gut tells me it has to do with the nfs mount, but i can't be specific. honestly, nfs mounting /var/www seems to be a poor-performance thing anyway, probably not wise for a production site.
18:31<Jippi>Papa_Stefano: it performs quite well :)
18:31<Jippi>and nfs / gluster is pretty much the only alternative when you have 10+ webservers
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18:33<Papa_Stefano>good to hear that. i've never used gluster, and haven't used nfs at all for a long time. i keep hoping some guru here will jump in and help you :(
18:34*mwalling has a new gluster deployment
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18:42<encode>mwalling: is it shiny?
18:42<mwalling>encode: not sure
18:42<mwalling>dont want to kill the network, so i'm only filling it up at 8MB/s
18:43<priyesh>wordpress is always odd and requires write permissions + ownership of the whole wordpress folder rather than just the uploads folder :S
18:43<encode>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/luster <-- gluster, GNU shiny
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18:43*mwalling has 10G to his rack, but only 100Mb from the source machine
18:44<mwalling>14T of replicated data
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18:53<praetorian>on that amount of data. how long does it take to do this?:
18:53<praetorian>!mwalling
18:53<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
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18:53<mwalling>praetorian: its been running since friday afternoon
18:54<praetorian>:-)
18:54-!-newb5 [~newb@ip72-220-177-7.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #linode
18:54<praetorian>speaking of which.. it's friday.. friday.. friday..
18:54*mwalling sees /rawlog
18:54<praetorian>beer up on friday!
18:54*mwalling slaps praetorian
18:54*mwalling ignores linbot's mwalling line
18:54<praetorian>awww.
18:55<mwalling>also, the gluster client pushes each file to each replication brick
18:56<Jippi>http://pastie.org/1978437
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18:56<Jippi>strace from a failing touch
18:56<AviMarcus_>can I use gluster as async master-master?
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18:56<AviMarcus_>currently using rsync to keep stuff replicated.. when I remember
18:56<mwalling>AviMarcus_: ... "maybe"?
18:57<mwalling>i use the client to write to the bricks, not directly then replicating
18:57<AviMarcus_>I don't really know what yuo mean by bricks
18:58<mwalling>unit of storage
18:58<mwalling>like a physical volume in a LVM get up
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19:00<chesty>!whois brickhost.com
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19:04<HoopyCat>!mtr-dallas atlanta1.linode.com
19:04<linbot>HoopyCat: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
19:04<HoopyCat>!!
19:04<HoopyCat>!mtr-newark atlanta1.linode.com
19:04<linbot>HoopyCat: [mtr] atlanta1.linode.com: 12 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 20.2ms
19:05<chesty>who killed jr?
19:07<Newb>tried installing rails 6 times per linode docs. it never works. if i type in terminal rails new testsite, it says bad command
19:07<@caker>Newb: which doc?
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19:10<Newb>http://library.linode.com/frameworks/ruby-on-rails-apache/debian-6-squeeze
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19:13<@caker>Newb: you likely need to add wherever gem installed the 'rails' script/binary into to your PATH .. lemme test
19:14<Newb>i have tried installing rails with their ubuntu 10.4, 10.10 guides with apache or nginx, same with debian lucid and squeeze w both apache and nginx
19:14<Jippi>yep, squeeze doesnt put the ruby into the path
19:14<@caker>pfffft
19:14<Newb>the thing is rails commands are not being recognized in the terminal
19:15<@caker>Newb: because bash can't find 'rails' in your PATH
19:15*encode squeezes the path into ruby
19:15<Newb>gotcha
19:15<Jippi>PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin"
19:15<@caker> /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin ?
19:15<@caker>yeah
19:16<Newb>would be nice if they put that little detail in the docs, i been at this 2 days now :(
19:16<Newb>so shall i enter that now
19:16<Newb>to set the path
19:16<Newb>is there any flavor of setup that works as shown
19:16<encode>it will only be there for your current bash sessiion
19:16<Newb>maybe debian 5?
19:17<encode>unless you add it to .bashrc
19:18<@caker>http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm
19:19<Deezire>Hrmh, Google Chrome makes little sense when it comes to cookies. I have to allow for third party cookies in order to be able to delete all cookies when i close chrome BUT have some exceptions (like, Google, Facebook and such)
19:19<Newb>i'll try debian 5, see if that helps
19:19<@caker>why?
19:20<@caker>don't run an old distro .. just add the line and move on :)
19:20<Newb>which file do i add that line to?
19:20<Newb>:)
19:20<Jippi>not sure lenny did it either
19:20<encode>why .bash_profile and not .bashrc? just curious
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19:22<Newb>where would i find that file
19:22<encode>in ~
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19:23<encode>(ie, your home directory)
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19:23<nviror>nDuff, load average: 0.09, 0.12, 0.13
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19:30<A-KO>so I guess logrotate and modsecurity's audit logs don't work too well, eh?
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19:36<linbot>New news from forums: IP Tables Error in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=6981>
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19:42<linbot>New news from blog: Fedora 15 <http://blog.linode.com/2011/05/26/fedora-15/>
19:42<the|Navigator>My RSS reader beat linbot to that entry
19:43<the|Navigator>"Ooh, an entry on fedora 15. I wonder if it's in IRC yet. Not ye... oh, there it is."
19:45<linbot>New news from Tag Team: Whoomp! There It Is.
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19:48<@caker>man Fedora and Gentoo distroshare is so small it's on the verge of ... something
19:49<@caker>http://distrodestruction.com maybe?
19:49*nDuff ponders jumping ship from CentOS in favor of Scientific Linux
19:49<nDuff>...the wait for CentOS 6 went from "long" to "ridiculous" a while ago, IMHO.
19:52<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel Panic triggered by VPN login in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7150>
19:53-!-metaperl [~IceChat77@adsl-98-77-144-19.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #linode
19:54<metaperl>is there a plain-english explanation of Mozilla Public License, GNU General Public License, GNU Lesser General Public License, MIT/X11 License, and BSD License?
19:54<the|Navigator>Is CentOS 6 the new Duke Nukem?
19:55<Peng>I've got a 18 GB (ext3) disk image, 13 GB used. 'bout how long should it take to fsck?
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19:55<the|Navigator>"57% of deployments are ubuntu" surprises me. I would have expected a higher debian share.
19:55<Peng>I assume my node will want to fsck when I reboot it.
19:55<encode>|----------| about that long
19:56<@caker>between seconds and many minutes
19:56<Peng>Woah, 1270 512s available.
19:56<bd_>Peng: it mostly depends on the number of files - most of the time is spent on the fs tree walk, usually, IME
19:56<Peng>ehh
19:56<bd_>!avail
19:56<linbot>bd_: Linode512 - 1270, Linode768 - 486, Linode1024 - 357, Linode1536 - 240, Linode2048 - 180, Linode4096 - 23
19:56<bd_>!avail-ca
19:56<linbot>bd_: Fremont512 - 227, Fremont768 - 128, Fremont1024 - 21, Fremont1536 - 20, Fremont2048 - 5, Fremont4096 - 4, Fremont8192 - 3, Fremont12288 - 2, Fremont16384 - 2, Fremont20480 - 1
19:56<Peng>85k inodes in use, apparently.
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19:56<Peng>I know you guys can't give me anything exact, but <= 15 minutes? <= 30 minutes? <= 45 minutes?
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19:57*caker is going to go with ..... 17 minutes
19:57<Peng>Awesome. :P
19:57<the|Navigator>Are those values (of 512s, 768s, etc) actually real values? I mean, are the servers already designated as to what will be on them, or is that just an 'even spread' and some are really empty and could have whatever is needed on?
19:57<Peng>...Not it matters, I suppose. I'm going to do it anyway.
19:57<bd_>usually less than 15, for that fs size, I'd think
19:57<bd_>but don't quote me on that
19:57<@caker>they're already designated. because we're awesome and group plans on the same host profile together
19:58<@caker>yeah I was trying to manage expectations :)
19:58<@caker>but I agree -- probably less
19:58<the|Navigator>caker: I expected some to be empty and thus be like wildcards so the stats could look more even than they really were.
19:58<bd_>could be longer if you have fs corruption
19:58<Peng>Don't worry, I won't scream at you if it takes 24 minutes. :P
19:58<bd_>Inode 183423 has invalid dtime. Fix?<y>
19:58<Peng>bd_: Let's hope I don't.
19:58<the|Navigator>caker: But I actually appreciate linode more for being true.
19:58<bd_>(repeats 10,000 times)
19:58<bd_>(over a simulated 8kbaud serial link)
19:58<the|Navigator>*truthful
19:58<@caker>the|Navigator: no. That would suck and mean a biggie Linode could be on the same machine with a bunch of smaller thrashers ... which is how everyone else does it
19:59<@caker>ergo: Linode is superior.
19:59<bd_>the|Navigator: a few years ago, the fremont availability numbers hit 0 on a regular basis. At those times, they did in fact sell out of the size in question :)
19:59<bd_>caker: How did you guys solve that, btw? Wasn't it DC power/cooling availability that was the bottleneck?
20:00<@caker>bd_: it primarily a capital issue
20:00<the|Navigator>caker: No, I mean you have a server half populated with 512s, a server half populated with 768s, etc and then some servers that are empty. The second one server is full of only its own type, the next empty server becomes designated only for that type of server.
20:00<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: there are also some number of new physical servers that are not yet designated to a plan type
20:01<@caker>the|Navigator: we stay many months ahead of demand in all facilities and have an internal procedure to assign hosts to a profile depending on its general availability
20:01<HoopyCat>(these become really handy on Bad Days)
20:01<@caker>yup.
20:01<bd_>caker: Really? huh. At the time I had heard it was a DC issue. Well, good to know it's fixed :)
20:01<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Yeah, that was kinda my gist, except I was asking whether those undesignated servers manifested themselves in the stats as just a general bump to the lower digits, but redistributable well before anything actually is placed on it
20:02<@caker>bd_: it probably was that too, but what Tom and I struggled with mostly was capital. Our planning many years ago eliminated that problem over these past few years
20:03<bd_>congratulations :)
20:03<@caker>we were supplying the demand immediately .. and then the demand grew, rinse, repeat
20:03<@caker>thanks :)
20:03<the|Navigator>Linode isn't a bank, it's not a 'too big to fail' company, but it is a 'too essential to fail' to quite a few people, I feel.
20:04<bob2>dallas!
20:04<the|Navigator>When we moved from a certain other large VPS provider just before a certain acquisition... I was stunned by how much better things were.
20:04<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: having been a long-time observer of the availability stats and the day-to-day emergencies and large-scale disasters that have occurred over the past few whiles, i'm pretty sure the numbers are accurate indicators of current availability (but do not account for future availability at all)
20:05<the|Navigator>The extra RAM and the ability to move the server to the UK, the core of our businesses... reduced ping for our customers about 14x
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20:05<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: You should have munin graph it
20:06<HoopyCat>i have not yet personally purchased a 20G to see how long it takes the slot to regenerate
20:06<bd_>the|Navigator: re: too essential to fail; I don't know about you, but I _do_ keep an offsite backup, just in case. Everyone should, no matter what provider they use. Just hope you never have to use it :)
20:06<the|Navigator>If you got the one in CA, nobody else could have one.
20:06<the|Navigator>bd_: I mean in terms of closing, not in terms of server failure
20:06<@caker>there are more.
20:07<bd_>the|Navigator: also, I'm fairly sure linode has a pool of hosts that aren't yet assigned to any particular plan pool that don't show up in availability stats
20:07<bd_>What I don't know is if those spare hosts are automatically provisioned :)
20:07<the|Navigator>caker: We'll buy them all, and then drop them after you've gone to all the effort of assigning servers, so you're stuck with a load of empty 20s. Muahaahahaa
20:08<bd_>the|Navigator: also, you might be interested in my charts: http://fushizen.net/munin/net/fushizen.net/index.html#linode
20:08<the|Navigator>And thanks to the billing structure, that'll be about $0.08
20:08<bd_>the|Navigator: minimum charge is one day ;)
20:09<the|Navigator>I'll buy them all under a pseudonym, and claim !7day
20:09<bd_>And the credit goes to your account, not your credit card. So linode gets a nice capital infusion, and then they go and manually deprovision them later
20:09<chesty>$5 fee to move the credit back to your bank
20:10<febits>bd_: nice charts
20:10<the|Navigator>bd_: I love [ http://fushizen.net/munin/net/fushizen.net/iostat_ios-day.png ]
20:10<chesty>!dns6 ns1.linode.com
20:10<linbot>chesty: 69.93.127.10
20:11<the|Navigator>bd_: Munin makes a chart that, for the most part, is just an awful mess.
20:11<@caker>chesty: soooooooooooon
20:11<HoopyCat>"We've refunded the amount to your credit card number ending in 1111, cardholder name 'SEYMOUR WEINER', and you should see it within a week or two."
20:11<bd_>the|Navigator: Hmm. That must be new with the new munin version :)
20:11<bd_>68u? That's got to be wrong
20:11<the|Navigator>bd_: At least you can see from the chart everything is... working... okay? I don't know what it is.
20:11<bd_>it must be cached somewhere
20:11<bd_>possibly in the host
20:12<bd_>hmm, do xen block backends use O_DIRECt, I wonder?
20:12<HoopyCat>https://munin.sodtech.net/hoopycat.com/framboise/rgeoutages-day.png
20:12<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Care to explain?
20:12<@caker>bd_: when using direct to device means no file cache, no?
20:13<bd_>caker: no page or buffer cache, yes
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20:13<@caker>file backed images went away a loooong time ago
20:13<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: number of distinct power outages reported by the electric company
20:13<@caker>but xen has support for them, obviously
20:13<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Oh, I wasn't aware who RG&E was.
20:13<bd_>caker: LVM volumes ae subject to buffer cache as well
20:14<bd_>if opened without O_DIRECT, it will pass through buffer cache
20:14<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: the Rochester Gas & Electric Company, to whom i owe the pleasure of this 76-degree well-lit office
20:14<bob2>caker: does the no-tls-glibc thing matter anymore for modern xen/glibc?
20:15<@caker>bob2: no, that went away a while ago, I believe
20:15<bd_>bob2: Nope, doesn't matter with a 64-bit host
20:15<bd_>which linode uses
20:16<bob2>ahhh
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20:18*the|Navigator sneezes
20:18<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu, VPN, NX, and problems in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7156>
20:19<bob2>caker: bd_ thanks
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20:20<the|Navigator>I'm bored of Chrome's version numbering scheme.
20:20-!-Dedalo [~fff@93-32-157-72.ip34.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Quit: Dedalo]
20:22<the|Navigator>Chrome 13 is in development already, and Chrome 16 is due out in October this year
20:22-!-ChaosKiller [~chaoskill@f64182.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:23<the|Navigator>In fact, Chrome 13's supposed to branch this monday
20:24<chesty>version number with chrome(OS)? are fairly irrelevant due to the mandatory auto upgrades
20:24<the|Navigator>Which leads to annoying conversations. Chrome must be the best, it's at 10. Firefox is only at 4.
20:25<the|Navigator>Saying that, the Aurora 5 build looks pretty decent.
20:26<the|Navigator>chesty: The number shouldn't be irrelevant. It should mirror other version numbers in so far as it should have a MAJOR and MINOR at least so people can see what major work has been done. If they wanted, they could always append a datestring to push another update...
20:26-!-xt3mp0r [~xt3mp0r@117.198.165.237] has joined #linode
20:27<HoopyCat>random suggestion: linode needs an employee band, something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Q_(astronaut_band)
20:28-!-xt3mp0r_ [~xt3mp0r@117.198.162.142] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:29<the|Navigator>'The Segfaults'
20:29<bd_>the|Navigator: The idea is they don't have major upgrades. It's all incremental.
20:29<bd_>And there are, in fact, sub-version numbers
20:30<bd_>I'm running 12.0.742.68, for example
20:30<the|Navigator>bd_: But they have a timescale where on a given date, they will branch and call that the next major revision.
20:30<Peng>I thought that was an IP at first.
20:31<the|Navigator>bd_: Regardless of if the content actually classes as work that would bump the MAJOR or even the MINOR in normal software.
20:31<bd_>the|Navigator: Yes, because they need to stabilize major changes before pushing them out to everyone
20:31<bd_>And yes, they do bump the major then. Ie, the first version segment
20:31<bd_>12.x.x.x -> 13.x.x.x
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20:32<the|Navigator>bd_: It doesn't feel right.
20:32<HoopyCat>possible names: Oom Killers, Colonel Panic and the Paravirtualists, Unified Rock Magnates Of Magnificence
20:33<bd_>the|Navigator: It's different, certainly. But I think the idea is the user shouldn't have to think about these things.
20:33<the|Navigator>bd_: I mean compared to other browsers that only bump MAJOR with reason, it implies a more stable, more tested, longer running browser, which isn't necessarily the case. I mean, they're the new guys, but they look like they've been around forever for those people that look at the version
20:33<bd_>The average user can just ignore the chrome version numbers. Every once in a while, new features appear.
20:33<bd_>the|Navigator: Comparing version numbers is inherently flawed.
20:33<bd_>I mean, between different products.
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20:33<HoopyCat>wow, chrome does have a version number
20:34<HoopyCat>i don't think i'd seen it before...
20:34<bd_>HoopyCat: They also have release notes.
20:34<HoopyCat>they have releases?
20:34<bd_>http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/
20:34<HoopyCat>all i know is that my wrench gets upvoted every few days
20:34<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Hah. Running dev?
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20:35<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: no, stable
20:35<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: I thought stable was only every few weeks
20:35<HoopyCat>time is weird for me
20:35<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Dev seems to be a couple of days and canary build is 2-3 times a day from what I can tell
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20:35<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Are you travelling near the speed of light?
20:36<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Time dilation could be an issue.
20:36<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: i'm a cloud mechanic
20:36<the|Navigator>"I see what's wrong with this cloud, it's not fluffy enough. Pass me the wrench. Oh, look, my wrench has been upvoted, too!"
20:37<HoopyCat>there's your problem, you need to scale
20:38*HoopyCat clicks, drags
20:38<the|Navigator>To the cloud, with windows live.
20:38<HoopyCat>ooh, i bet there's an ajaxy clicky-draggy slider-bar thingy widget for django
20:40<JshWright>HoopyCat: there is.. I use it for rearranging setlists on my church music site
20:40<linbot>New news from forums: To suPHP or not to suPHP? in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7008>
20:42<HoopyCat>http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20050524113631/memoryalpha/en/images/6/6e/Transporter_on_Enterprise_%28NX-01%29.jpg
20:42<Peng>I took a backup before rebooting, for whatever it'd be worth. It's in "needsPostProcessing". Is it safe to go ahead now?
20:42<Peng>(I think it is, but...)
20:42<the|Navigator>This NTP script seems to be teaching bad clients to shut up ^.^
20:42<HoopyCat>from left to right: app servers, cache servers, database servers
20:42-!-ChaosKiller [~chaoskill@f64182.upc-f.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:43<Peng>NTP script?
20:43<the|Navigator>Peng: Yeah, it checks the conntrack logs and puts in some rules for abusive clients, then removes them when they calm down
20:44<the|Navigator>Seems most of the abusive clients have stopped requesting time from me at all.
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20:45<Peng>the|Navigator: ntpd can pretty much do that itself, if you configure it to do so. fwiw.
20:45<the|Navigator>Peng: Not quite
20:45<Peng>the|Navigator: It can also send back KoD packets, though anything that listens to a KoD probably isn't abusive in the first plac.
20:45<Peng>the|Navigator: What do you need that NTP's rate-limiting can't do?
20:45<the|Navigator>Peng: Yeah, but this checks every half hour. NTPd will have already had time to send a KoD to them
20:46<Peng>the|Navigator: Do you have it configured to do that?
20:46<the|Navigator>Peng: Yes.
20:46<Peng>:D
20:46<Peng>Then never mind about me.
20:46<the|Navigator>Peng: But the rate limiting is every how often?
20:46<the|Navigator>Peng: a couple of requests in a second or something?
20:47<Peng>the|Navigator: 'pends on how you configure it.
20:47<Peng>the|Navigator: You can set it to pretty much anything.
20:47<Newb>i can't get debian 6 to recognize ruby or ruby on rails, someone mentioned i need to add a path to it in the bash file, where do i find the file to add the path?
20:47<the|Navigator>I'm getting clients making requests every ten seconds for an hour period
20:47<HoopyCat>Newb: usually, .bashrc in your home directory
20:47<the|Navigator>NTPd can't filter that without catching people with poor sync algorithms that would normally be 10s intervals for 3-5 mins
20:48<the|Navigator>(from what I can tell, anyway)
20:48<Newb>lemme check to see if its there
20:48<HoopyCat>http://www.twcableuntangled.com/2011/05/a-letter-from-eugene-mirman-and-some-next-steps/
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20:50<HoopyCat>(the letter itself is worth a read)
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20:50<Newb>anyone know where i can find bashrc and how to add a path in to ruby?
20:51<Peng>Newb: ~/.bashrc
20:51*Peng waits impatiently for backup to postprocess
20:51<HoopyCat>Newb: sensible-editor ~/.bashrc
20:51<Newb>yes, bashrc
20:51<Newb>my debian 6 linode does not recognize ruby commands
20:52<Newb>how shall i enter the text ptha to ruby?
20:52<Newb>i was using nano before, but this editor looks pretty similar
20:53<JshWright>is a ruby interpreter installed?
20:53<the|Navigator>Hm. nano is my sensible-editor.
20:53<the|Navigator>Shame, I prefer ViM.
20:53<nDuff>*shudder*
20:53<the|Navigator>*VIM
20:53<nDuff>(re: nano)
20:53<Newb>someone said real men use vi :)
20:53<HoopyCat>Newb: i think putting PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin" at the end of the file -- assuming /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin is where the stuff you want is -- should take care of it
20:54<seanh-ansca>vim vim vim vim wonderful vim, beautiful vim...
20:54-!-disinpho [~disinpho@56344ba0.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #linode
20:54<nDuff>Newb, ...and there are people in favor of self-flagellation, too...
20:54*seanh-ansca has the strange desire to watch monty python...
20:54*nDuff hugs vim
20:54<Newb>why doesn't linode put his in their docs?
20:54<@caker>because debian is broken and we didn't catch it
20:54<Newb>its clearly a missing step that blocks progress to building a rails app
20:54<@caker>I alerted the docs team to fix it
20:55*Peng imagines the docs team fast-roping out of helicopters
20:55<the|Navigator>caker: Make them do it faster!
20:55<Newb>thanks
20:55<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: you can change it by setting EDITOR, btw
20:55<Newb>the docs look pretty good, user friendly, but with such a key step missing, its really painful for newcomes to linux
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20:56<seanh-ansca>fwiw ubuntu manages to put ruby in /usr/bin, not sure how debian screwed that one up
20:56<rawrrr>Hey there, I was intereted in purchasing a linode server and wanted to know if I could use it a seedbox?
20:56-!-ChaosKiller [~chaoskill@f64182.upc-f.chello.nl] has joined #linode
20:56<Newb>will check to confirm the path
20:56<rawrrr>Within my transfer rate of course
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20:56<HoopyCat>!tos
20:56<linbot>http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm
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20:57<Newb>btw, sens editor looks almost identical to nano
20:57<HoopyCat>rawrrr: as long as it's not the sort of thing that'll run afoul of the law, it's your bandwidth
20:57<Newb>i'm a newb from windows to debian, i like debian, wasn't as painful as i thought
20:57<rawrrr>Alright, thanks for the help!
20:57<HoopyCat>Newb: there's a reason it looks a lot like nano :-)
20:57<the|Navigator>Newb: Read the top left corner.
20:57<HoopyCat>rawrrr: the terms of service clarify stuff as well :-) (hopefully)
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20:58<Newb>thanks guys :)
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20:59<Newb>I just did look up of that directory, and i see in it rake, rails, thor, erubis
20:59<HoopyCat>caker: Today, at my direction, the Documentation Team launched a targeted operation against that document in the Linode Library. A small team of Linodians carried out the operation with extraordinary courage and capability. No apostrophes were harmed. They took care to avoid comma-splice casualties. After an edit war, they corrected the oversight and took custody of the trouble ticket.
20:59<Newb>does that look right, is this referencing ruby or rails this dir /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin
21:00<HoopyCat>Newb: if the stuff you want is in /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin, then indeed, PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin"
21:00<Newb>one computer was felled in the operation, but the team was unharmed
21:00<Newb>k, here goes, wish me luck
21:00<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: vim.basic or vim.tiny?
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21:02<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: vim.tiny is for amateurs; vim.basic is where the flavor is
21:02<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Alright, I wasn't sure which was which
21:02<CuriousGeorge76>anyone got odds on rackspace buying linode and killing it too?
21:02<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Since tiny sounds smaller, but basic sounds simplified, they both sound inferior. Like Diet Coke and Coke Zero.
21:02<Newb>the girls seem to like vim big
21:02<HoopyCat>Newb: actually, i think you might need to also add 'export' before that, so it is: export PATH="$PATH:/var/lib/gems/1.8/bin"
21:03<chesty>CuriousGeorge76: they already tried
21:03<Newb>aha
21:03<Newb>lemme try right now
21:03*HoopyCat always forgets something or other
21:03<Newb>whats a quick command to test if terminal is recognizing ruby?
21:03<Peng>CuriousGeorge76: You do realize that Rackspace can't buy Linode unless Linode approves of it, right?
21:03<seanh-ansca>ruby
21:03<chesty>HoopyCat: you don't need to re-export an already exported variable
21:03<Newb>so that reveals version of ruby?
21:03<@mikegrb>lulz
21:03<CuriousGeorge76>I know, I'm just venting because I'm moving everything over lol
21:03<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: vim provides /usr/bin/vim.basic, vim-tiny provides /usr/bin/vim.tiny :-) i usually EDITOR=/usr/bin/vim, tho, so it works everywhere
21:04<HoopyCat>chesty: cool
21:04<Newb>do i need to then restart the server?
21:04<Newb>or resatrt apache to load the change?
21:04<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: I was just going to use update-alternatives --config editor
21:05<Newb>when i typ ruby, it just hangs
21:05<StevenK>It doesn't hang
21:05<StevenK>It is waiting for stdin
21:05<seanh-ansca>Newb: changing things in your .profile will only take place on a new bash launch
21:05<seanh-ansca>s/.profile/.bashrc
21:05<Peng>Snapshot post-processed!
21:06<HoopyCat>i think "irb" is the fancy ruby shell thingy
21:06<seanh-ansca>they also wont have any effect on apache (unless you're running it from your shell, which would be fairly ridiculous)
21:07<seanh-ansca>irb's an extra package though, it's not included in the normal ruby stuff
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21:07<Newb>k, will try now
21:07<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: that changes it system-wide, tho. easier to stick it in your .bashrc template along with TZ and UPDIKE and there you go
21:08<Newb>well i restarted the bash profile and apache
21:08<Newb>entered ruby as a command in the shell
21:08<Newb>and again it just hangs
21:08<HoopyCat>Newb: it's not hung, it's waiting for you to speak ruby to it
21:09<Newb>aha
21:09<Newb>duh !!!!
21:09<HoopyCat>it's not nice and friendly like python
21:09<@mikegrb>lulz
21:09<Newb>lol
21:09<Newb>how do i get out of it
21:09<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: I guess that's an inside joke?
21:09<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: TZ? nope, timezone
21:09<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: No, the other word.
21:09<Newb>out of ruby shell, back to regular #
21:10<StevenK>Newb: Ctrl-D should work
21:10<JshWright>HoopyCat is sort of one big inside joke...
21:10<Newb>bingo :)
21:10<HoopyCat>Newb: the two main things you'll use are ctrl-c and ctrl-d... ctrl-c aborts, ctrl-d finishes
21:10<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: EDITOR?
21:11<chesty>UPDIKE is the aboriginal word for urmom
21:11<Newb>hot diggity dawg, it worked :)
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21:11<Newb>woooo hoooooo
21:11<Newb>just made my first rails app
21:11<Newb>broke mah hymen
21:11<Newb>popped the cherry
21:11<HoopyCat>sunk the battleship
21:12<Deckert>screwed the pooch
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21:12<the|Navigator>rolled the dice?
21:12<mwalling>hey, fog supports linode
21:12<chesty>damn peng, irssi up 398 days?
21:12<Deckert>oh wait ...
21:12<mwalling>thats awesome
21:12<Newb>man, i been dreaming of this shyte for weeks, watching videos, etc
21:13<Newb>stuck on crappy tiger 10.4 with no decent local stack
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21:13<Newb>can't even download a decent git client
21:13<Newb>so next step to move up to leapard
21:13<the|Navigator>Newb: You don't want to use the git CLI then?
21:13<Newb>i'm switching from coldfusion to ruby rails
21:13<HoopyCat>myself, i'm married, so i mostly just spend a lot of time doing dishes, washing laundry, and not having sex. enjoy it!
21:13<@mikegrb>lulz
21:13<Newb>lol, confucious say
21:13<seanh-ansca>Newb: sudo port install git ?
21:13<Newb>man who fall in arms of woman
21:14<Newb>soon find arms in kitchen sink
21:14<the|Navigator>I prefer "brew install git"
21:14<seanh-ansca>i guess it's git-core actually
21:14<Newb>thing is i'm leaving coldfusion for ruby rails
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21:14<@mikegrb>lulz
21:14<Newb>and most of my coldfusion pals r pretty unhappy about it, foaming at the mouth by the betrayal, lol
21:14<mwalling>will brew work on tiger?
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21:15<the|Navigator>mwalling: I don't know
21:15<Newb>how do i get brew?
21:15<mwalling>but you're suggesting it...
21:15<seanh-ansca>hg is a bit more friendly than git imho if you have your pick of dvcs
21:15<the|Navigator>no, it wont
21:15<HoopyCat>i'm trading my CF for a green unicorn'd django
21:15<the|Navigator>I thought it was tiger+ but it's leopard+
21:15<mwalling>Newb: http://mxcl.github.com/homebrew/ , but see the|Navigator's comments
21:16<Newb>what do u guys think of django vs rails for producivity small sites vs high traffic sites
21:16<HoopyCat>Newb: i'm a perfectionist with a deadline
21:16<mwalling>Newb: do you know what you're doing, or are you going to kludge it and hold the framework responsible for your kludge?
21:16<the|Navigator>( https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/wiki/installation ) - "OS X Leopard or higher"
21:17<Newb>i think on mac, its become a leopard world
21:17<mwalling>*wah* i crashed my car because i was drunk! my car sucks! *wah*
21:17<Newb>its painful upgrading but will do it tomm
21:17<Newb>how steep is the learning curve on django
21:17<Newb>that looks awesome on the automagic admin forms
21:17<mwalling>Newb: do the 4 part tutorial and tell us
21:17<seanh-ansca>upgrading osx isn't bad so long as you're doing it in place
21:17<the|Navigator>Newb: Yeah, PPC stopped on Leopard, everyone else went thundering to Snow Leopard, I guess
21:17<HoopyCat>Newb: how comfortable are you with python?
21:18<Newb>i like python, to me it looks quite elegant
21:18<Newb>some of the syntax is a bit diff, but its fairly easy to pick up, i watched the python tuts on lynda.com
21:19<HoopyCat>Newb: run through https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/intro/tutorial01/ and see how she rolls
21:19<Newb>and got zed's book, learn python the hard way
21:19<Newb>so of ur pick of the two, ur a perf with deadlines?
21:19<mwalling>THAT ISN'T EVEN THE SAME "YOUR"
21:19<SnoFox>So.
21:20<SnoFox>Hi Linode.
21:20<SnoFox>I just bought my first Linode.
21:20<Newb>intuitively i feel its worth digging into both django and rails, and by experience decide where each fits, it seems like a healthy exercise going in both worlds
21:21<the|Navigator>mwalling: So you don't like the phrase 'ur urmom's son'?
21:21<SnoFox>My Linode is a cool Linode.
21:21<purrdeta>My linode is a clod.
21:21<Newb>if in stall mod_wsgi tho on the linode, and add the reference in the virtual host, it seems do to some screwy things in apache, i.e. file types don't get recognized anymore in the browser
21:21<the|Navigator>SnoFox: I suppose it's cool because of the snow in your name?
21:21<SnoFox>the|Navigator: Of course.
21:21<HoopyCat>my job involves building and deploying django-based sites, so i may be biased in favor of django. we do use chef, as well, interestingly enough.
21:22<the|Navigator>Or caker's been implementing liquid cooling, but only on your host server.
21:22<Newb>whats the diff between chef and capistrano
21:22<the|Navigator>Newb: Chef is easier to spell.
21:22<Jippi><3 Puppet
21:22*seanh-ansca hugs puppet
21:22<Newb>and how is django integrating with services like rackspace cdn, amazon ec2
21:22<HoopyCat>Newb: hurricanes and galaxies look alike, but while the former can strike puerto rico, the latter contains puerto rico
21:22<JshWright>one cooks things, the other is a town with some famous birds
21:22<Newb>might go with chef, less letters to type, the better
21:23<Newb>:)
21:23<Newb>then later make a new framework called Duh
21:23<the|Navigator>reminds me of the js framework 'yepnope'
21:23<Newb>or one for real newbs called Doh
21:23<the|Navigator>well, it's a loader, not a framework
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21:24<HoopyCat>Newb: well, S3 is ridiculously easy: https://bitbucket.org/david/django-storages/wiki/S3Storage
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21:24<Newb>i have a photographer networking site, and want to enable them to upload pics, but have the pics stored on rackspace cdn
21:24<HoopyCat>Newb: i haven't yet found wtf we have cloudfront integration code, but i know it is in there somewhere. whatever it is, it's negligible
21:25<Newb>gotcha, hows django handing image manipulation, a wrapper for imagemagik?
21:26<JshWright>python uses PIL
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21:26<Newb>gonna hav a quick break, coz breaking the hymen is exhausting, takes a toll, phew, brb in 10
21:26<HoopyCat>Newb: python has pretty decent support for things-like-linode-and-AWS; there's libcloud for multi-provider storage and compute stuff (which i use for my deployment scripts -- which are, amusingly, fabric-based)
21:26<JshWright>imagemagik is a PHP thing, isn't it?
21:27<the|Navigator>I'm tired.
21:27<the|Navigator>I think I need to sleep.
21:27<HoopyCat>Newb: provider-specific APIs include the groundbreaking linode-python library, boto for AWS, whatever rackspace calls theirs, etc
21:27<the|Navigator>But before I do...
21:27<the|Navigator>!urmom
21:27<linbot>the|Navigator: Yo mommas got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:6/0) [mroum]
21:28<the|Navigator>Meh.
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21:29<HoopyCat>Newb: https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.3/ref/models/fields/#imagefield is where django's image support starts, and i have also just been informed of https://bitbucket.org/Josh/django-storages/src/160efe0ba364/backends/rackspace.py
21:30<HoopyCat>it's all layers of exquisitely specialized and tuned components... it's an object-oriented turducken writ large
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21:32<HoopyCat>also, to give credit where credit is due, the hurricanes and galaxies quote is from neal dorst, whose job is about 9000x more awesome than mine
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21:36<gadams>Anyone running 11.04 for personal machines?
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21:43<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <http://library.linode.com/networking/openvpn/debian-6-squeeze> || Manage Development with the Mantis Bug Tracker on Fedora 14 <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/project-management/mantis/fedora-14> || Create a Wiki with Ikiwiki on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/wikis/ikiwiki/debian-6-squeeze> || Deploy a Structured Wiki
21:44<Newb>thanks hoopy, am copying these links
21:47<Newb>the rackspace one is perfect :)
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21:48<linbot>New news from forums: Scientific Linux 6 - Anyone running it on a Linode VPS? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7143>
21:48<Peng>Everything went fine, BTW. And the fsck only took like a few seconds. The only thing that broke was my connection to OFTC, and I was busy doing other things before fixing it now.
21:48<Peng>(SSL CA issue)
21:48<Newb>what is PIL in python?
21:49<Newb>image specific library?
21:49<Peng>Yeah.
21:49<Peng>Python Imaging Library or some such, used to...manipulate images.
21:49<Newb>how do u all feel writing python vs ruby, i am trying both right now
21:50<Peng>Newb: It's a personal thing. You should make your own decision.
21:50<Newb>in terms of integration with other services, they're about the same?
21:50<mwalling>wtf, are you writing enterprise soa connectors?
21:50<mwalling>Newb: too much buzzwords, too little content
21:51<Newb>interest is in plugging into payment gateway libraries, cdns, to automatically transfer uploaded pics to the cdn
21:52<bob2>sure there's probably libraries for both
21:52<bob2>check pypi for python
21:52<bob2>that said, python soap is a bit of a ghetto
21:52<mwalling>suds
21:52<Newb>will do, thx. proof of pudding is in the eating, w try both
21:53<amitz>did someone say...
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21:53<mwalling>amitz: no
21:53<mwalling>Newb: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1637902/python-django-which-authorize-net-library-should-i-use
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21:53<amitz>mwalling: I'm case insensitive.
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21:57<febits>thinking about my first linode
21:58<purrdeta>get it.
21:58<@mikegrb>lulz
21:58<purrdeta>lol
21:58<bikcmp>they're a tad pricey but stable as hell
21:58<linbot>New news from forums: Best-practice backups for worst-case? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7029>
21:58<febits>the documentation is very good - including security advise
21:58<mwalling>!7day
21:58<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
21:59<febits>yeah - I've heard good things about linode
21:59<bikcmp>febits: yeah. i mean, like
21:59<bikcmp>the extra money is worth it.
21:59<bikcmp>i've NEVER had issues with them.
21:59<febits>is moving ssh to another port a good idea?
21:59<bikcmp>the new jersey center is managed by experts.
22:00<bikcmp>iirc, like
22:00<bikcmp>i have like, 500 days of uptime.
22:00<@mikegrb>lulz
22:00<bikcmp>lol
22:00<bob2>febits: cuts down on the random login attempts
22:00<bob2>bikcmp: reboot, that's a lot of exploitable kernel bugs
22:00<febits>bob2: ok
22:00<mwalling>bikcmp: they're *all* managed by experts
22:00<bikcmp>bob2: yeah, i know, i know
22:00<bikcmp>mwalling: COUGH he
22:00<bikcmp>:p
22:00<mwalling>bikcmp: *cough* PG&E
22:00*bikcmp <.<
22:00<bob2>febits: still need strong passwords or require keys, but it cuts down on the spam in your logs
22:01<bikcmp>bob2: same one from #python on freenode?
22:01<febits>bob2: ok thanks
22:01<bob2>bikcmp: yes
22:01<febits>I was thinking of running a couple of rails apps, a couple of wordpress blogs and a few other bits.
22:01<bikcmp>bob2: :-)
22:02<febits>rails/passenger is a little resource hungry. would a linode 1536 be good enough?
22:02<gadams>Is it possible to use SSH Tunnels exactly like a VPN?
22:03<bikcmp>gadams: ssh -D?
22:03<mwalling>febits: try and see, resizing is easy, espically if you're not in production
22:03<bob2>gadams: you need to define 'exactly' and 'vpnh'
22:04<bob2>-D and -w are pretty bloody powerful, though
22:04<Kyhwana>You can get wrappers that force packets through a SOCKS server (-D) per app
22:04<febits>mwalling: ok
22:04<Kyhwana>and I believe you can do that per process/user with iptables
22:04<bob2>tsocks/socksify
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22:05<gadams>bob2, I need to route *all* traffic from my laptop to my Linode in the most secure method possible so I was trying to figure out SSH vs OpenVPN
22:05<febits>saw some nice munin graphs earlier on the channel. is it ok to run munin on the same host?
22:05<bob2>gadams: openvpn then
22:05<Kyhwana>gadams: hmm, go with OpenVPN then
22:06<mwalling>gadams: if you want a vpn, install a vpn
22:06<HoopyCat>febits: sure. how else would i monitor my munin collector? :-)
22:06<mwalling>febits: i run munin on my linode (which then reaches out to my other nodes and collects from them)
22:06<bob2>yo dawg
22:07<febits>HoopyCat: :-)
22:07<mwalling>!d
22:07<linbot>mwalling: Now 64% full (about 6 hours remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 11:10 UTC, last full yesterday at 09:50 UTC after running for 21.2 hours.
22:07<mwalling>febits: ^^ HoopyCat's dehumidifier, muninized
22:07<febits>ok - well I'll be able to tell my grandchildren about the day I got my first linode then ;-)
22:07<mwalling>!referral
22:07<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: http://linode.com/referrals/ )
22:07<mwalling>febits: ^^ referral code :)
22:07<bob2>troll
22:08<mwalling>bob2: meh
22:08<bob2>but that does give you free signup!
22:08<mwalling>!dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
22:08<linbot>That is caker's code
22:08<mwalling>yeah, the free activation thing is stupid
22:09<pharaun>HoopyCat: dang, its leaking full blast in rochester isn't it?
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22:09<mwalling>pharaun: humid as fuck
22:09<HoopyCat>pharaun: eh, a little damp
22:09<mwalling>HoopyCat: needs rh% sensor
22:10<HoopyCat>if it lasts less than 24 hours, rh > 60%
22:10<HoopyCat>done
22:10<febits>linbot: is that your referral code?
22:10<mwalling>heh
22:11<mwalling>febits: linbot is a bot
22:11<bob2>!botsnack
22:11<linbot>thanks, bob2!
22:11<febits>mwalling: a bot that talks?
22:11<mwalling>absolutly
22:11<mwalling>!mwalling
22:11<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
22:11<mwalling>and insults
22:11<mwalling>!urmom mwalling
22:11<linbot>mwalling: Yo mommas so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:43/22) [rumom]
22:11<bikcmp>cutre
22:12<bikcmp>cute*( :P
22:12<febits>:-)
22:12<bikcmp>!urmom
22:12<linbot>bikcmp: Yo mommas so ugly she scared off the crabs in your dads pants (824:4/7) [momur]
22:12<bikcmp>!urmom:P
22:12<bikcmp>err
22:12<bikcmp>:P
22:12<gadams>!!
22:12<gadams>damn I can't sudo my irc commands
22:14<@Perihelion>sudo ns id loldongs1
22:15<bob2>Perihelion: keep it clean plz
22:15<@Perihelion>rly?
22:15<bob2>wait, no the opposite
22:15<@Perihelion>Thought so
22:18<Peng>Quick favor to sanity-check myself: Someone please poke 2001:470:1f0f:b4:123::1 and 2600:3c00::2:b401 with ntpdate to make sure they work.
22:20<bob2>both work for me
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22:23<HoopyCat>server 2001:470:1f0f:b4:123::1, stratum 3, offset -0.011576, delay 0.09674
22:23<HoopyCat>server 2600:3c00::2:b401, stratum 2, offset -0.004248, delay 0.09613
22:23<Peng>bob2: Thank you.
22:23<Peng>Nice timing, HoopyCat, and thank you too.
22:23<Peng>OK. Cool.
22:23<HoopyCat>(from 2001:470:8b37:f101:d685:64ff:fea3:967a)
22:24<Peng>@_@ !
22:24<Peng>I think that's everything working, except for some DNS and web updates I still need to make.
22:24-!-febits [~tony@180.183.127.11] has joined #linode
22:24<Peng>(Seriously, the only thing that broke -- AFAIK -- with this whole reboot was irssi.)
22:27<A-KO>god modsecurity is so awesome, I really need to learn to play with it
22:27<purrdeta>Peng: hehe :D
22:27<purrdeta>I forgot about some of my DNS zones and left them to die :/
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22:37<Peng>Oh gods, I forgot, I need to make my pool IPs come up on boot. :P
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22:38<HoopyCat>Peng: i did the "up /sbin/ip -6 addr add 2600:3c03::13:3142/64 dev eth0" approach (with corresponding pre-down)
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22:40<Peng>HoopyCat: What's the corresponding pre-down?
22:40<@heckman>pre-down /sbin/ip -6 addr del <ADDR>/64 dev eth0
22:41<HoopyCat>if you raise it up, you gotta tear it down
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22:41*HoopyCat gets funky
22:41<Peng>You really have to?
22:41<@heckman>Yeah
22:41<Peng>Copy.
22:42<HoopyCat>you've got this huge buildup, but if you don't break it down, everyone'll just kinda not know wtf is going on
22:42*mwalling ups addresses for no reason
22:43<HoopyCat>then, wham, drop the packet and they won't know what hit 'em
22:43<Peng>http://web2.mattnordhoff.com/tmp/interfaces2 <-- Looks good?
22:43<npmr>worst onion reference ever
22:44<HoopyCat>Peng: by habit, i use ip -6 addr, but if it is happy sans the -6, sweet
22:45<HoopyCat>Peng: http://p.linode.com/5367
22:46<@heckman>I would use the -6 =X
22:47<HoopyCat>Peng: oh, and http://p.linode.com/5368 is /etc/network/setup-ipv6
22:47*HoopyCat waits for that one to sink in
22:50<HoopyCat>!zzz
22:52<Peng>I've never used the -6.
22:54<Peng>HoopyCat: Oh neat, you've got a tunnel + native on the same box?
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23:19<Peng>HoopyCat: Wait a minute, your script is "setup-ipv6"? :P
23:20<purrdeta>clearly it should be set\ up-ipv6
23:20<JoeK>!setup
23:20<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
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23:21<@Perihelion>!poop
23:21<Peng>I...think I'm done setting everything up, except for a bit more DNS. Wow.
23:21<JoeK>si
23:21<JoeK>so*
23:21<JoeK>my pc case was designed with a fan blowing air INTO a cpu fan which is blowing air out
23:21<JoeK>that is retarded
23:21<JoeK>and the fan is irreversable
23:21<Peng>And testing /etc/network/interfaces, but who cares about that?
23:22<Peng>(Damn, I knew I shouldn't have deleted the test Linode I created earlier today.)
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23:29<elkingrey>Hello,
23:29<@Perihelion>Hi,
23:30<elkingrey>If I want to connect to my server through sftp, I can use filezilla, alternatively, I can issue the alt + F2 command. I am trying to do this same end around on a Mac OS X. Does anybody know the command for that instead of alt + F2?
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23:30<@Perihelion>No clue D:
23:31<elkingrey>I just installed filezilla on a Mac OS X and am trying to connect to my server, but it's not doing anything.
23:32<jj3>I am having trouble understanding file permissions. When I save a file via SFTP with filezilla client, the file is not part of the group that I set the user to. Thus the file is not writable
23:33<pharaun>jj3: there is 3 permission, you got user/owner, group, world
23:34<jj3>hello?
23:34<retro|blah>elkingrey: Not sure what alt+f2 does on what platform, but I do know there is a command-line sftp client on OS X...
23:34<pharaun>jj3: hello? :p you using web-irc ?
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23:34<elkingrey>k
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23:35<jj3>...sorry for the hello, message are very delayed
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23:35<jj3>Yes
23:35<@Perihelion>`/win 26
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23:36<@Perihelion>Rage
23:36<SleePy>elkingrey, Filezilla should understand schemas. So a sftp://yourdomain.com should work to let it know to use sftp
23:36<elkingrey>ok will try
23:37<pharaun>jj3: anyway check your permission to make sure your owner/user is write/readable :p then you should be able to read/write the file,
23:37<jj3>When file is saved I only get owner rights, ie 755, even if I change to 775 userB part of the group cannot edit
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23:38<pharaun>jj3: can userB read? maybe your directory perms(?) is wonky
23:38<@heckman>gadams++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
23:38*gadams like a boss.
23:38<@heckman>To the power of 9000
23:39*gadams like a boss.
23:39<@Perihelion>TALK TO LINODE
23:39<@Perihelion>LIKE A BAWSS
23:39<gadams>GET A FREE SERVER
23:39*gadams LIKE A BOSS
23:39<@Perihelion>nop
23:40<gadams>damn.
23:41<jj3>UserB appears to be able to read, just not write... Is there setting I need to do to the group itself?
23:41<elkingrey>I'm not sure what my problem is. I have a jailed SFTP user. This user also has an private ssh key. On my system, if I try to log on using this user's information I can get in no problem. But through Mac OS X on a new install of Filezilla, I cannot get it to work. Not sure what's wrong.
23:42<pharaun>jj3: check directory perms?
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23:43<MTecknology>any of you use bitlbee on your linode to connect to facebook? I'm having some troubled
23:43<MTecknology>troubles*
23:43<Peng>elkingrey: Maybe you don't have the private key set up properly?
23:43<gadams>even your linode knows it doesn't want to talk to facebook
23:43<gadams>it's a dirty system
23:44<Peng>What do you think I should name the (r)DNS entry for my node's EUI-64 address? "auto"? "autoconfig"? "eui64"? "ra"? "slaac"?
23:44<MTecknology>gadams: i know.... but i really want it to listen to me anyway :(
23:44<jj3>UserA is part of group-B, UserB is part of group-B .. User A Uploads file via SFTP, set file permissions with Filezilla client to 775. UserB can not write.
23:46*heckman touches gadams's junk
23:46<@heckman>(So much more appropriate in the proper context)
23:46*gadams NO DADDY! NO!
23:46*gadams EXIT ONLY!
23:46<@Perihelion>Lies.
23:46<jj3>I am using SFTP jail and the default directory is owned by root
23:47<pharaun>i dunno how the jail stuff would work (never used) so...
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23:48<SleePy>The home directory needs to be owned by root.
23:49<SleePy>From what I read about that is the jail user could otherwise delete their root and gain more access :D
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23:49<adamb90>mind if i ask a rails config question?
23:52<@heckman>adamb90: Usually it's best to just ask your question, if someone is around that knows the answer they usually chime in.
23:52<jj3>I may due to lack of time just manualy change it for now, just trying to setup and forget :-).. Thanks for the help
23:54<adamb90>so how do i change the max_pool_size? passenger_max_pool_size <integer>
23:54<adamb90>doc says: This option may only occur once, in the http configuration bock. The default value is 6.
23:55<adamb90>I don't see a block like this in httpd.conf.
23:55<adamb90>I just have this line: PassengerRoot /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/passenger-2.2.5
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23:57*Peng goes with "auto"
23:58<elkingrey>I have a new install of Filezilla and I would like to see if I can connect to something through SFTP real quick to see if it works. Right now, my server is on lockdown, which may be complicating matters. Is there such a thing as an open server for anybody to connect to to try things out?
23:58<bob2>?
23:58<@heckman>wat
23:58<akerl>elkingrey: lockdown?
23:58<bob2>presumably you have ssh access to the machine
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23:59<bob2>or you couldn't do much of anything
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.38462276, 0.66062488) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 50183 of 63775 (π ≈ 3.147502940023520 - 0.005910286433727)
23:59<bob2>first
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