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---Logopened Sat May 28 00:00:13 2011
00:00*nDuff is trying to decide between one IPv6 pool for everything and one per cluster (test account has a number of application clusters). Not so much a concern about pool size as of desired isolation level between them...
00:00<SelfishMan>seriously though, pi is deviating even further from true on every query
00:01<linbot>Peng: Point (0.18727751, 0.94885057) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 50185 of 63778 (π ≈ 3.147480322368215 - 0.005887668778422)
00:01<SleePy>I was told (I think by caker) that these should be the last restarts due to network changes at least :)
00:02*heckman has to figure out how to install grub on the MBR from Finnix
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00:02<Peng>...We can get more than one pool?
00:02<Peng>In the same data center?
00:04*SleePy has a swimming pool
00:05<monokrome>When I cat /proc/cpuinfo, it shows 4 processors... So, I'm guessing this is the actual system's processors and not my VMs. Is there a way to see the processing power assigned to my VM?
00:05<@heckman>That's it
00:05<@heckman>You have access to four cores (therefore it shows info for all four cores)
00:06<monokrome>Yeah, but I don't have 2266.664 MHz for each core
00:06<nDuff>monokrome, CPUs aren't parcelled out to VMs
00:06<nDuff>monokrome, ...if nobody else is using any cycles, yes, you do.
00:06<monokrome>Oh, interesting.
00:06<monokrome>So, using most of my processors hurts other users? :/
00:06<nDuff>Means they can burst less, yes.
00:07<monokrome>So, running a Minecraft server is probably a bad idea. Okay :)
00:07<nDuff>(hence running folding@home being considered bad form)
00:07<nDuff>ehh, people run Minecraft on linode
00:07<nDuff>it's not frowned on, per se
00:07<Peng>monokrome: By the way, the host has 8 cores total.
00:07<pharaun>if you need to use cpu, you need to :)
00:07<purrdeta>SelfishMan: The other day it was redirecting to on my computer. For some reason. It's ben fine for a while
00:07<pharaun>just don't go out of your way to abuse it
00:08<nDuff>^^^ that.
00:10<SelfishMan>purrdeta: You can blame namecheap for that. A bug in their API caused *all* .info domains to point to that horrible image. Should be fixed now though
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00:12<@heckman>Just thought I'd let you know.
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00:13<purrdeta>SelfishMan: I found it... amusing :P
00:14<Peng>But still doesn't load over v6. :)
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00:15<purrdeta>heckman: gonna follow your radvd blog post this weekend.
00:15<@heckman>purrdeta: good stuff. Let me know if you run in to any snags. I'll be releasing my BASH scripts this weekend to kepe the tunnel active.
00:15<purrdeta>oh yay :D
00:16<@heckman>The scripts check your external IPv4 address, and if it changed from the last check, it updates it via HE's API.
00:16<pharaun>heckman: sh or bash script? :p
00:16<@heckman>BASH. sh doesn't like REGEX goodnes.
00:16<purrdeta>I have o go back to my parents house and choose one of the computers there to come back home with me... and then I think I'll be using the other one there for similar purpose...
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00:16<pharaun>heckman: ha k
00:17<purrdeta>I actually don't remember the specs on either of the lame computers back there... :/
00:17<SelfishMan>heidi: <3
00:17<SelfishMan>err...heckman: <3
00:17<@heckman>SelfishMan: <3
00:18<SelfishMan>just ignore me excessively popping tickets back to the top of the queue
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00:39<JoeK>whats that cmd
00:39<linbot>JoeK: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
00:39<linbot>JoeK: !, !!, !!!, !!!!, !avail180, !gkc, (, 64bit, 7day, 911, <3, a, abuse, accessible, acro, add, ahahah, akerl, aks, alert, alot, amitz, announce, announce add, announce list, announce remove, any, anytime, aol, api, apply, apropos, apt, ask, asl, at, atlports, author, auto, avail, avail1024, avail11520, avail12288, avail1536, avail16384, avail180, avail2048, avail20480, avail4096, avail512, avail768, avail8192, (13 more messages)
00:39<JoeK>damn you, linbot
00:40<JoeK>!help commands
00:40<linbot>JoeK: (commands takes no arguments) -- Returns a list of the commands offered by the bot.
00:42<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: )
00:42<@heckman>JoeK: take it to PM. Type commands and then keep typing "more"
00:42<JoeK>and yes that one, Perihelion
00:43<Peng>!referralwhore is also fun
00:43<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_; (looking for a referral code? see !referral)
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00:48<@heckman>purrdeta: which distro are you going to be using?
00:50<purrdeta>Not sure. I was gonna use Arch, but you seem to have had issue so I dunno. I have to reformat it all anyway...
00:50<pharaun>Distro: s/*/gentoo/ :3
00:50<purrdeta>Perihelion: <3
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00:51<@Perihelion>Actually you can have the AWESOME heart
00:51<SnoFox>Who had a problem with Arch?
00:51<@Perihelion>♥ purrdeta
00:51<SnoFox>And what was wrong?
00:51<pharaun>on arch, dunno, there's lots of rage lately bout the lack of package signature
00:51<@Perihelion>pharaun: Supposedly that's being hacked on
00:51<purrdeta>meh, I use Arch on my linode and it works perfectly, however, in my current endevour, heckman claims Arch was less than productive :P
00:51<@Perihelion>It's still enough to make me think twice about using it on a server
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00:52<@Perihelion>ubuntu perhaps?
00:52<@Perihelion>People do * on it
00:52<pharaun>would that include barfing? ;)
00:52<pharaun>Perihelion: oh really? well at least they are getting to it.... :)
00:53<@heckman>purrdeta: Arch exploded when I was trying it. IPv6 just stopped working for no reason. I couldn't get the HE tunnel to come back up again, even tho it was working on a different system.
00:53<purrdeta>^^^, see, I'd rather just use ubuntu. Other than IPv6 and possibly backing up my linode it will be a rather unused server
00:53<@heckman>I used Debian for the article, an the script I wrote is designed to work that way only.
00:53<purrdeta>then fuck it! I'll use debian :P
00:54<purrdeta>I want this part to be the easiest thing I do >.>
00:54<@heckman>Squeeze FTW
00:54<pharaun>problem solved :D
00:54<linbot>thanks, SleePy!
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00:54<@heckman>I just finished upgrading my IPv6 gateway to SSD about 20 minutes ago.
00:54<@heckman>dd'd the partitions, reinstalled grub to the MBR using Finnix, should be good to go when I get home.
00:54<linbot>New news from forums: Some initial NodeBalancer items in Current Betas <>
00:54<purrdeta>nice. I am poor and my server is going to be old. I feel it will work find for its chosen purpose, however.
00:55<@heckman>My gateway is my old netbook.
00:55<KyleXY>purrdeta: My home server is a little compaq computer from 2004 ish
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00:55<pharaun><- uses a Via C7 as the router, plenty fast
00:55<purrdeta>I have no idea my stats of these two servers I have. I have 2 non-used computers. I'll probably use the one that has a side for the server lulz.
00:56<KyleXY>The sad thing is it's better quality then most computers out these days heh
00:56<purrdeta>KyleXY: I know >.<. My parents have a dell that has lasted for like 8 years and is slow, but works well
00:56<pharaun>feck my network servers for years and years was and.... i still have some crap running on it... a 366 mhz dell laptop with 256 mb of ram :D Pentium 2
00:56*KyleXY goes to sleep for real now
00:56<purrdeta>brb going to get tacos.
00:57<pharaun>screen's.... dead now :) but its still chugging along, got to love old hardware that lasts forever
00:57<KyleXY>pharaun: the quality crap :p
00:57<pharaun>it works, and that is good enough for me :3 has bunch of network crap on it
00:58*KyleXY goes to sleep for real now without staring at the terminal
00:58<@heckman>purrdeta: my netbook stands perfectly on its battery. So it sits like this on my desk at home:
00:58<@heckman>Works perfect as an IPv6 gateway
00:59<KyleXY>I still need to setup a tunnel for my house,
00:59<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
00:59<pharaun>heckman: hahaha one of those asus netbook eh?
00:59<KyleXY>heckman: dang you :p
00:59<KyleXY>heckman: I've had no sleep :(
00:59<@heckman>pharaun: a dell that I won from Dell.
00:59<KyleXY>to get to setting up*
00:59<pharaun>heckman: *that*'s a dell 0_o
01:00<@heckman>pharaun: yes. They presented it to me at my Best Buy store all the way back in December of 2009.
01:00<KyleXY>heckman: I did manage to get an i2p gateway setup today though :)
01:00<KyleXY>It's a fast little network, lots of nifty little services I'll be toying with for a few weeks
01:03<linbot>SleePy: *click*
01:04<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
01:04*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
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01:08<linbot>SleePy: *click*
01:08<linbot>*BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
01:08*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
01:08<nDuff>heckman, hey -- apologies for being unclear in that email
01:09<nDuff>heckman, ...I realize that "not production nodes" was probably making things confusing more than it was clearing them up, given that the entire account was/is nonproduction -- it actually was/is there for the benefit of my management, in the event that they're following.
01:11<@heckman>nDuff: It's cool. I didn't want to get click happy without making sure.
01:11<@heckman>As the MAC addresses change, things can get wonky if you don't reboot shortly afterwards.
01:12<nDuff>that'll be a (much?) bigger deal when we go for production
01:12<nDuff>(probably will want to work with y'all to have a mutually-agreed window ahead of time)
01:12<nDuff>...but it'll be a while before we get there.
01:13<@heckman>best way to do it, probably, would be to open a ticket right when you need it. We should be able to get them added on fairly quickly. (Although each one does need to be enabled)
01:14<nDuff>...well, we can roll the bulk of them over time -- it's just a few (literally, two) machines in our infrastructure that are SPOFs. Probably will make sense to do those last, then.
01:15<Peng>I waited for like six hours to reboot. No wonkiness.
01:15<Peng>Not something to rely on for something critical, but you shouldn't fret *too* much. Maybe.
01:16*Peng shrugs.
01:16*heckman double checks his work
01:17<pharaun>heckman: thanks for not being a Notch ;)
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01:19<oreo>hi :)
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01:21<pronto>hi \o/
01:22<pharaun>ih :>
01:23<Hoggs>OMG HI :O
01:23<Hoggs>You never write anymore!
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01:30*amitz looks at the year.
01:30<oreo>really confused at th emoment)
01:32<linbot>New news from forums: Using postfix + google aps for mail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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01:40<Peng>oreo definitely does seem confused, yes.
01:40<Peng>Hm...I wonder if sticking the private network 'ip addr add' on eth0 would work when using DHCP...
01:41<@heckman>Sounds like a terrible idea.
01:41<@heckman>Use static, be happy.
01:42<Peng>I'm thinking in terms of short-term nodes I just create for 5 minutes to test something. Switching to a static config, or enabling IPv6, would be a PITA, but I'd like to be able to use the private network apt cache. :P
01:43<linbot>New news from forums: Newbie questions about mapping multiple domain names in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
01:44<Peng>Granted, the 3-4 test nodes I created over the last couple days were all to test the networking configuration itself, and aside from that I pretty much never create them, so *shrug*
01:44<Peng>By the time I need another one IPv6 will probably be enabled by default, or at least have a button, without requiring a ticket.
01:44<Peng>On a related note, SLAAC is *so cool*.
01:44<@heckman>I mean, I like having work to do. Makes the 11h shift fly by
01:45<@heckman>Ah, autoconf
01:45<@heckman>Yeah dude. I have it working at home. It's amazing. Even my Android phone immediately was given IPv6.
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01:58<mani>Hello community! I am planning to host my website on Linode. Will I be able to choose the linode server on which I want to host my website. This is because my website customers would be from india only. So I want my website hosted on server providing least latency!!
01:58<Defenestrator>mani: you choose which datacenter, yes
01:59<@heckman>You are free whichever datacenter you would like when signing up. You can find out which DC offers the best connectivity by running some download and PING tests.
01:59<mani>ok. Thanks
02:05<mani>I am not able to decide which Linux distro to choose. What aspects should I consider? Although I have worked little bit on Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop. I believe distros are almost same as far as terminal commands are concerned. Is it so?
02:06<nDuff>...ehhh... mostly?
02:07<nDuff>Ubuntu is much closer to Debian than it is to CentOS or Gentoo, for instance
02:07<@heckman>Just go with Ubuntu 10.04. Great user community, based *THE* best distro ever, it also has support for security updates til 2015.
02:08*nDuff isn't quite as enthusiastic as heckman, but does agree that Ubuntu is a good choice.
02:08*heckman loves Debian
02:09*nDuff has a long history of dealing with commercial software vendors who only certified and supported their software against SLES, RHEL... and *not* Ubuntu LTS
02:09<eblack>alias -p debian=NeckBeardOS
02:10<eblack>although debian is pretty rad for small footprint
02:10<eblack>but why not just use Ubuntu server?
02:10<eblack>or for that matter, CentOS with EPEL
02:11<SnoFox>Ubuntu server?
02:11<SnoFox>This channel is really entertaining.
02:11<SnoFox>Lots of people wrong on the Internet.
02:11<SnoFox>Just gets my nerd pants up in a bunch.
02:11<eblack>SnoFox: Ubuntu distributes a 'Server' version of Ubuntu
02:11<SnoFox>eblack: I know.
02:12<@Perihelion>OH NO
02:12<eblack>I'm not sure if you get that I'm being snarky
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02:12<SnoFox>elky: Oh, thank god, I thought you were being serious.
02:12<SnoFox>Tab complete failure.
02:13<eblack>you're on point with punctuation though
02:13<mani>I think Ubuntu is good to start with, considering the discussion here n I have also worked on it earlier.
02:14<SnoFox>Just use Debian server...
02:15<Obsidian|server>Perihelion: scary thing is that I have that xkcd comic link in my clipboard right now
02:16<eblack>mani: terminal commands are pretty much the same. You'll find differences in package management mostly
02:16<@Perihelion>Obsidian|server: \o/
02:16*Perihelion hugs Randall
02:16<@Perihelion>You have made my life.
02:16<eblack>mani: if you're not a linux 'expert' then Ubuntu is easier probably because google yeilds a lot of nice copy/paste solutions
02:17<Obsidian|server>SnoFox: distributions like debian amuse me. I like to be on current software, not rocking chairs.
02:17<SnoFox>Use Arch :p
02:17<mani>eblack, So to what extend package management affects website functioning.
02:17<@Perihelion>neckbears are failure
02:17<Defenestrator>Meh, Debian's not that old at the moment. They've sped up their release cycle a bit.
02:17<Defenestrator>Also, there's always Unstable :P
02:17<eblack>mani: it depends on the packages, but with debian, or ubuntu you'll be using apt for the package manager
02:18<mani>Yup, I am not a linux expert.
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02:18<eblack>and depending on the specific packages you might have to enable different repos
02:19<purrdeta>Perihelion: <3
02:20<Peng>Neckbear? That sounds horrifying.
02:20<eblack>er, neckbeard
02:20<eblack>A neckbear would be horrific indeed
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02:21<mani>Would I have the access to change distro later-on on a linode?
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02:21<eblack>mani: you would, but you would need to backup your data
02:22<eblack>you would be responsible for migrating your own data to a new linode instance
02:23<mani>wow. This solves my ambiguity!
02:23<eblack>your real question is if you don't enjoy the distribution how will your manage your data
02:23<eblack>but, I would bet Ubuntu would be fine.
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02:53<mani>What if I run out of allocated disk space of 16GB in case 512 mb seems more than sufficient
02:54<Kyhwana>You can buy more disk space/ram
02:54<Peng>mani: Then you should upgrade to a larger plan, with more disk space.
02:56<mani>Is there any provision to extend disk space only. (Of course, I am concerned about about finance.)
02:57<@heckman>It's more cost effective to upgrade. The price of additional storage is $2/GB per month
02:57<purrdeta>yeah but its probably more economical to just upgrade
02:57<mani>Because I believe my website would have a lot of uploads per user.
02:58<nDuff>mani, perhaps you could consider storing uploaded content somewhere else, such as on S3
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03:02<mani>Ok. Thakns.Ok thanks
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03:08<@mikegrb>mmm cake
03:08<@heckman>Step 1: Log in to Lish. Step 2: Press CTRL+A and then the letter D to detach the screen session. Step 3: Type the command: cake
03:08<linbot>New news from forums: I've been with Linode for awhile... in Customer Testimonials <>
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03:12<jam>How do I get started here? I'd like to ask a question.
03:12<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
03:15<Peng> know...don't...
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03:18<jam>I put up a cakephp site on my linode (apache and php installed with mod_rewrite enabled), and I get a 404 error of page not found. Any advice on trouble shooting this? Seems like problem is with apache2.
03:22<Peng>Um, I dunno. As a random idea, try visiting /index.php or whatever instead of /, to rule out an index issue.
03:22<Peng>Aside from that...pastebin your configuration, I guess? Hopefully there's someone knowledgable about Apache around.
03:22<Peng>Plus: Could it be an out-of-date DNS issue?
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03:23<Boss>leenodah eh
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03:43<jam>index.php returns same 404 error. Ruled out index.php issue. Any apache experts out there?
03:44<pronto>have you turned it on and off again?
03:44<jam>reinstalled too.
03:44<@heckman>jam: Peng asked you to pastebin your configuration. Have you done that yet?
03:44<@heckman>How about the output of: apache2ctl -S
03:51<kenyon>jam: maybe apache's error log tells where in the file system apache is looking
03:59<jam>Trouble shooting now.
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04:05<jam2>lost connection. Couldn't log in as jam so using jam2.
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04:05<jam2>still troubleshooting.
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04:06<jam2>No I have not pastebin. Don't know how to do that.
04:06<jam2>But, did find that apache error log states 404 and 510 errors.
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04:08<jam2>Anyone know what a 510 error in apache is? All I have found on it is something that says server may need to be updated.
04:12<k00pa>jam2: its "not extended"
04:12<k00pa>idk what that mean
04:13<synapt>510 isn't any official status code I'm aware of
04:13<synapt>so I would imagine it's an apache specific
04:13<synapt>never seen apache throw one though o.O
04:13<Peng>Right. 510 is not standard.
04:14<synapt>though forcing a check of it, it apparently says; "A mandatory extension policy in the request is notaccepted by the server for this resource"
04:14<synapt>my first thought is, "You fubar'd something"
04:14<jam2>Yes, I will reinstall again. Thanks!
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04:47<linbot>New news from forums: Which port is APT using? in Linux Networking <>
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04:52<asciant>Am I allowed to ask a general billing question here? Not specific to my account?
04:56<chesty>those questions are protected by the patriot act
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04:59<asciant>How patriotic, so I take the the best option is a billing support ticket? All I wanted to know was how much the backup service costs on a Linode 512. I can only see the prorata amount, it would be nice to know the total per month.
04:59<GLaDOSDan>says right there
04:59<GLaDOSDan>"Linode 512: $5.00/mo"
05:01<chesty>I think it's always 1/4 the price of a linode
05:01<asciant>So it does, thanks and sorry I did check on the site, but it appears I didn't click in the place that counted.
05:01<marius>chesty: I don't think so
05:01<marius>oh wait, maybe your right
05:01<marius>yeah, your right
05:01<marius>silly me
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05:46<nviror>What will happen if my bandwidth usage exceeds the specified limit of linode?
05:46<nviror>do a page like "account suspended" would appear on all my sites?
05:46<Peng>nviror: As in speed or the total amount of data transferred?
05:46<nviror>Peng, Total amount
05:47<Peng>nviror: Nothing much. If it's only a little, nothing will happen. If it's more, $0.15/GB.
05:47<nviror>currently its saying 112GB Used, 123GB Remaining, 235GB Quota
05:47<Peng>nviror: You can buy more for $10 per 100 GB, or upgrade to a larger plan.
05:48<nviror>Peng, Thanks.
05:48<@heckman>I mean, you shouldn't worry about going overt.
05:49<@heckman>Unles you plan to use 123GB in like 3 days.
05:49<chesty>I've used about 1G :(
05:49<nviror>heckman, Its not about this case only, i was asking if its increases in future.
05:49<@heckman>Ah okay. :D
05:50<chesty>are overages charged per gig, or per 100 gig
05:50<@heckman>Overages are *normally* charged $0.15 per GB
05:50<nviror> $0.15/GB
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05:53<Peng>Why do Newark and London get 3 DNS revolers, while everywhere else is only 2?
05:53<nviror>If there's a difference of $10 between current and next level, its better to upgrade linode rather than buying 100gb for $10. This applies to my case, as i'm using 768 plan.
05:56<nviror>Peng, "If it's only a little, nothing will happen" what does little means here.
05:57<Peng>nviror: Dunno.
05:57<nviror>Is 10-20GB little?
06:03<Peng>...Is behind a NodeBalancer? :D
06:06<nviror>where can i see the expiry date of my linode
06:06<AlexC_>nviror: I've had mine for nearly 3 years, and it still smells fresh. No expiry date
06:07<nviror>AlexC_, I mean renewal date
06:07<chesty>it's 1st of the month of you're paying month to month
06:07<AlexC_>nviror: 1st of every money if monthly
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06:10*AlexC_ hands heckman a different delimiter :P
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06:47<marius_j>hi people
06:47<@heckman>hello marius_j
06:47<marius_j>u working for linode?
06:47<marius>someones impersonating me :o
06:48<marius_j>can someone help me with a question?
06:48<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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06:49<@heckman>Yes I work for Linode. Not really paying too much attention to IRC atm, however.
06:49<Peng>You jerk! :P
06:50<marius_j>I started linode yesterday, but at 00:00 Last night, the data transfer was around 500 mb.... why?
06:50<@heckman>Did you update your OS's packages?
06:50<marius>marius: remainign transfer is relevant to how much is left of the month
06:50<marius>ok, that looked REALLY weird when I wrote it out
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06:55<marius_j>i started ubuntu yesterday yes, but i did this 20.00
06:56<@heckman>Where are you seeing the data transfer at?
06:57<marius_j>a email sent said i used more than 1 GB, but on my dashboard there was only 470 mb
06:58<@heckman>What's your Linode's name?
06:59<marius_j>linode 107974
06:59<@heckman>I'm guessing it's from installing updates to your operating system.
06:59<@heckman>I've no way to confirm this, but it makes the most sense.
07:00<marius_j>maybe the security updates i installed?
07:00<Peng>Updating a base Ubuntu Hardy install uses like 40 MB.
07:00<Peng>Installing a bunch of stuff could use a lot, I suppose.
07:00<@heckman>marius_j: that's what I'm saying. If you ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade on Ubuntu 10.04 (as well as any other packages) can use a bit of transfer.
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07:00<marius_j>aha, ok
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07:00<Peng>Actually, it was more like 30 MB.
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07:01<marius_j>another one: if I want to view a desktop of ubuntu, i need vnc remote desktop?
07:02<@heckman>You also need to install and configure xorg, install and configure a window manager, and then something to view X with remotely.
07:02<@heckman>I've never attempted it, so I won't be able to help. :(
07:04<marius>xorg with realvnc has worked wonders for me in the past for that purpose =)
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07:07<marius_j>the hostname, must it be a domain?
07:08<@heckman>It should be an FQDN. serername.domain.tld
07:08<@heckman>My computers/Linoes use a TRON-based naming scheme. So my one Linode is
07:09<the|Navigator>heckman: We've changed our naming scheme (not on Linode) to atoms.
07:09<the|Navigator>heckman: The stability of the atoms dictates how developmental the server is
07:10<@heckman>the|Navigator: that's definitely intense.
07:10<@heckman>So I would assume Helium is your most stable Linode?
07:10<the|Navigator>heckman: "Not on Linode", I said
07:11<@heckman>Oh sorry, jumping back and forth between things. :(
07:11<the|Navigator>heckman: But yes, the servers are named fully, like helium
07:11<the|Navigator>but we refer to them by their periodic table names
07:11<the|Navigator>so "He", "U", etc.
07:11<@heckman>That's awesome.
07:12<the|Navigator>We were thinking about making the servers so they actually represented nuclear decay, but that would have been too geeky for some people.
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07:14<HoopyCat>plus, you'd randomly end up with hosts renaming themselves until they're all named 'lead'
07:14<Marius_j>hi again, can you gie a example of a hostname?
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07:15<the|Navigator>(e.g. U-238, Th-234, Ra-230, Ac-230, Th-230, Ra-226) - that's a problem because then people have to know the difference between Ra230 and Ra226
07:15<Marius_j>can we have whatever we want as hostname?
07:15<@heckman>Yes. Although, a FQDN is usually the best option.
07:16*Peng wonders what a UTF-16 hostname would do.
07:16<Marius_j>but if mine is "htradionorge", does it need .com behind?
07:16<the|Navigator>I guess from all that you can guess I've studied Chemistry and Physics.
07:16<HoopyCat>Marius_j: within particular technical limits, sure. has some practical (although somewhat dated) suggestions
07:17<Marius_j>can my hostname be just: htradionorge ?
07:17<the|Navigator>apt decided I needed to update libpaper.
07:17<the|Navigator>And now it's asking what size paper I want to print on.
07:17<HoopyCat>Marius_j: it's usually best to have a domain within which your hostnames live... i have,,, etc, etc. keeps 'em globally-unique and i can connect to them by the same name they know themselves as
07:17<the|Navigator>This is a server. It has no printer. It never will.
07:18<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: go with letter, unless you're in london; the printers there use A4
07:18<the|Navigator>I'm in london, and I did choose A4.
07:19<the|Navigator>It would be hilarious if we could print things and linode could mail them to us.
07:19<Marius_j>My plan is to host a website with xampp and a radio station
07:19<Marius_j>how do i install these?
07:20<the|Navigator>I wonder what I should do with all my spare HDD space on my linode.
07:21<GLaDOSDan>I'd suggest putting urmom on there, but she wouldn't all fit
07:21<linbot>the|Navigator: Yo mommas so unpleasant she makes mwalling look like Miss Congeniality. (822:43/22) [muorm]
07:21<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so slow, she still hasnt finished FreedroidRPG! (747:3/3) [mumro]
07:21<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mammas so ugly, straterra had to chloroform HIMSELF! (797:10/1) [umrmo]
07:22<Marius_j>how to install zampp on ubuntu??
07:22<kedarm> says that I can add a new A record to DNS manager if I want to host say on a linode
07:22<kedarm>but aren't subdomains typically taken care of by virtual hosts on webserver running on your linode?
07:23<Peng>kedarm: Needs both.
07:23<HoopyCat>kedarm: how will web browsers find
07:23<Peng>kedarm: DNS and web server configuration are both necessary to make a website work.
07:23<kedarm>Peng: HoopyCat: Ah, got it.
07:23<the|Navigator>Marius_j: You could just use apt to install the packages you want, but if you actually want XAMPP, you can download a linux tarball off their website.
07:24<the|Navigator>Marius_j: from [ ]
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07:24*heckman rolls a ball of tar and hands it to the|Navigator
07:24<the|Navigator>heckman: That was a tarball (terrible) joke
07:24*the|Navigator has been incremented.
07:25<HoopyCat>Marius_j: i've never even heard of XAMPP, but it looks like plus some of
07:25<the|Navigator>He police can arrest you for doing that.
07:25<the|Navigator>Police! Police! A man just came and incremented me!
07:25<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: i decremented urmom last night
07:25<the|Navigator>Marius_j: I'd advise just apt-getting all the packages rather than using XAMPP as it's easier to update them afterwards
07:26<Marius_j>so apache then?
07:26<the|Navigator>You'd need to apt-get more than just apache to have an equivalent service
07:26<Marius_j> ?
07:27<HoopyCat>Marius_j: yup, that should get you most of the web server stuff
07:27<the|Navigator>Marius_j: XAMPP is apache, mysql, php, perl, proftpd, phpmyadmin, gd, freetype, ncurses, openldap, eaccelerator and a few other bits
07:27<the|Navigator>I assuem you don't need all that.
07:29<Marius_j>, is it not phpmyadmin or php here?
07:30<the|Navigator>Marius_j: That other guide is for apache only
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07:31<HoopyCat> has the PHP stuff (fifth box down); phpmyadmin might be somewhere else in there, but if you can, MySQL Workbench is often going to be a better solution
07:31<Marius_j>ok. i need to host a website created with joomla, heard of it?
07:32<the|Navigator>I have heard of that.
07:32<HoopyCat>heard of it; usually reply with "unfortunately, we're not accepting new clients at this time" when i hear it
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07:33*heckman forgot he brought a salad for "lunch"
07:33*heckman noms
07:34<HoopyCat>'tho my boss did get me one day with the good ol' "open up http://<redacted>/ ... i'll call you in five minutes" and then five minutes later "hey, is that page done loading yet?"
07:34<Marius_j>when i type the command "hostname -f" i get "name or service not known"..... how do i set the FQDN?
07:35<@heckman>I laugh every time I see this note in the office:
07:36<Marius_j>hostname -F /etc/hostname ? have already used this command
07:36<marius>why are you only running out of spoons
07:36<marius>silly linodians and their spooning
07:37<HoopyCat>heckman: time to refill the meeps?
07:37<HoopyCat>Marius_j: what is in /etc/hostname, and does it match what you added to /etc/hosts?
07:38<Peng>heckman: Cute writing.
07:38<Marius_j>HoopyCat: It says i have no permission to those directions
07:39<marius>heckman: one of the knifs have a stain!
07:39<marius>Go clean them!
07:39<@heckman>old picture is old
07:40<HoopyCat>Marius_j: sudo your-editor-of-choice /etc/hostname (or /etc/hosts, etc)
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07:40*heckman has been learning vim recently
07:41<Marius_j>your editor of choice?
07:41<@heckman>nano, vim, emacs...
07:41<@heckman>I'd say use nano
07:42<Marius_j>nano as editor of choice?
07:42<HoopyCat>heckman: it's an investment, but worth it... someone back at my first commercial ISP had a vi tutorial (this was in the days before vim...) that got me going
07:43<@heckman>I've gotten some of the basics down. I'm tempted to run through the vim tutorial that comes with it, lol
07:43<HoopyCat>Marius_j: with ubuntu, at least, you can use "sensible-editor" and it will choose a sensible editor. this can sometimes be a bit of a surprise
07:43<Marius_j>HoopyCat: what's my editor of choice?
07:43<@heckman>Marius_j: The editor you prefer?
07:43<HoopyCat>Marius_j: you probably want 'nano'
07:43<Marius_j>nano is free yes?
07:44<@heckman>nano should be preinstalled
07:45<HoopyCat>nano is free as in beer and free as in software, as opposed to pico, which is free as in beer but not free as in software
07:46<@heckman>pico == nano on debian
07:46<HoopyCat> <--- what happens when you expressly forbid distribution of modifications :-)
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07:47<Marius_j>how to i exit nano? :P
07:47<@heckman>CTRL X
07:47<Marius_j>aha P:
07:48<HoopyCat>(a major advantage of nano over many other editors is the on-screen help at the bottom. also, it doesn't do random stuff if you don't hit 'i' before typing.)
07:48<noir_lord>out of curiosity anyone used for hosting before? (their prices on dedicated servers seem too good to be true but they look like a pretty huge operation)
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07:49<@heckman>HoopyCat: That's why shyed me away from vi/vim when I was a noob
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07:49<HoopyCat>heckman: btw, don't get too frustrated if you forget to hit 'i' once in awhile. i still forget to do so at least a half-dozen times per day
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07:49<noir_lord>Hoopy, agreed, what is needed is a middle ground between Nano and Vi, terminal editor with a sane and friendly interface
07:49<@heckman>HoopyCat: I hate when I forget, and I hit another character and all hell breaks loose
07:49<Marius_j>dont understand how to set FQDN...
07:50<HoopyCat>noir_lord: go back to sleep, stallman
07:50<@heckman>It's pretty much like: :q!
07:50<@heckman>and then start over
07:50<Marius_j>you know, im new with this :P
07:50<@heckman>Marius_j: what do you want tyour FQDN to be?
07:50<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: I hate when I hit I when I'm already in INSERT and so some of my work has an extra i in I never notice until the config file is deemed invalid
07:50<noir_lord>heckman, just be glad vim does not have a paper clip, "Did you mean ddddxidddxESCw!?"
07:50<HoopyCat>heckman: when in trouble, when in doubt, just remember, q-bang out
07:50*heckman would stab
07:50<Marius_j>heckman: can i choose?
07:50<linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
07:50<kedarm>Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated -- what is the alternative?
07:50<@heckman>Marius_j: Do you own a domain name?
07:51<@heckman>kedarm: I think separating them in two commands. I just ignore that message.
07:51<noir_lord>Hoopy, I said sane and friendly interface, neither Stallman or his editor has either ;)
07:51<HoopyCat>Marius_j: what is this computer's name going to be? (not a web site hosted on it, not something boring like 'linode', but... a name)
07:51<Marius_j>heckman: i will buy one today
07:51<HoopyCat>kedarm: service networking restart
07:51<@heckman>HoopyCat: that complains too
07:52<HoopyCat>really? which distro/version?
07:52<kedarm>heckman: ok, I will do what you do, ignore it for now.
07:52<@heckman>At least it did when I did it last.
07:52<noir_lord>servers are currently named after alkaline earth metals (hey, a schema is a schema)
07:53<@heckman>Marius_j: An FQDN has a certain format. "servername.domain.tld". Here's how it breaks down. The servername is a unique name you give to your Linode. Bob, Shirley, Tron, Clu, Helium, something.
07:53<HoopyCat>heckman: is debian going upstart too?
07:53<@heckman>HoopyCat: not sure admittedly. Everything else seems to work perfectly fine.
07:53<@heckman>I'm not too familiar with upstart, tbh
07:54<HoopyCat>heckman: ewwww, they touched it! they've got ubuntuuties now!
07:54<@heckman>I don't play with Ubuntu enough to know about it. I should probably take an hour to read up on it.
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07:54<Marius_j>ok. first i wrote command "echo htradionorge > /etc/hostname" then "hostname -F /etc/hostname"
07:54<@heckman>Marius_j: The rest of the FQDN is "domain.tld" So,,, etc.
07:55<@heckman>You'd want to type: echo "htradionorge" > /etc/hostname
07:55<@heckman>Whew, that was a tough servername to type.
07:55<Marius_j>what? :P
07:55<HoopyCat>heckman: upstart is an init-alternative, in the tradition of most every init-alternative created within the past decade or so
07:55<@heckman>I try to keep mine relatively simple so they are easy to type. Haha
07:56<@heckman>HoopyCat: Well ya, I knew that. I just wasn't sure how it worked. Lol. Something about not caring what the runlevel is?
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07:57<HoopyCat>heckman: 'course, if daniel bernstein weren't the oliver heaviside of our time, we'd all be running daemontools by now and this wouldn't be a problem
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07:58<HoopyCat>heckman: the big difference is that config files in /etc/init replace scripts in /etc/init.d
07:58<Marius_j>I write "hostname" and htradionorge shows up. but when i do "hostname -f" is says name or service not known....
07:58<bob2>that means your /etc/hosts is bust
07:59<HoopyCat>Marius_j: pastebin the contents of your /etc/hosts ?
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07:59<@heckman>Marius_j: I'd say buy your domain at this point. You need your domain to properly configure the /etc/hosts file
07:59<Marius_j>i will do that first then
08:00<Marius_j>i will come back tonight or tomorrow, hope someone can help me then :))
08:00<@heckman>We'll be long as the rapture doesn't show up late.
08:00<Marius_j>thank you for your help so far :) bye bye :D
08:00<@heckman>Np have a good one
08:01<bob2>/another marius
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08:02<HoopyCat>a joomla-runnin' marius, at that
08:02<marius>yeha, he even stole my initials!
08:02<marius>oh god
08:03<marius>kill it with fire!
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08:08<kedarm>I just made my main domain (registered by godaddy) point to my linode and changed the nameservers as well. This works well now that my domain resolves to my linode.
08:09<kedarm>But then I created a subdomain on linode's dns manager (dashboard) e.g. which is taking some time to resolve. is that normal?
08:09<bob2>depends what you mean
08:09<GLaDOSDan>when did you make it, kedarm
08:09<bob2>'dig' should work within fifteen minutes
08:09<HoopyCat>it'll take ~15 or so minutes for it to be fully visible across all of linode's nameservers
08:10<bob2>if you accessed it from home before the fifteen mintues was up, you're boned and learnt a valuable lesson
08:10<marius>unless you try visiting it before it' screated, in which case it may locally be cached as non-existant for a while
08:10<kedarm>ok, let me try dig command now. I made the change about half an hour ago.
08:10<marius>darn, bob beat me to it =(
08:11<HoopyCat>"dig +trace" should show the full horse. also, the last number on the answer to "dig soa" (usually 86400) will tell you how long resolving nameservers may remember the it-doesn't-exist result
08:12<kedarm>The ANSWER section shows: 86400 IN A
08:12<marius>If your in the process of setitng shit up, you can also turn ot manual entries to yoru hosts file, although it's not the best approach
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08:12<HoopyCat>kedarm: yup, it's live
08:14<kedarm>HoopyCat: Thanks. (Still a sysadmin n00b, and hence) when will ping show it?
08:15<HoopyCat>kedarm: if you're using opendns at home, will let you clear the stale reply from its cache. otherwise, about 24 hours.
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08:16<akerl>ipv6 question: Considering I have 4096 addresses to play with, is it preferable to use one IPv6 per site, or to use 1 IPv6 for multiple vhosts?
08:17<marius>there's not really any reaosn to use one per site
08:18<Peng>akerl: Do you have any reason to use one IP per site?
08:18<HoopyCat>akerl: it's up to you. ideally, the former would be more in line with traditional internet thoughts (and would allow individual sites to be moved between linodes without DNS kerfluffle, and would solve the whole default-site problem), but damn your /etc/network/interfaces will get long
08:18<akerl>The main reason I came up with would be easier connectivity during a DNS problem.
08:18<Peng>Yeah...what HoopyCat said, only I wouldn't have have said it as well.
08:19<HoopyCat>i personally try to avoid DNS problems :-)
08:19<@caker>with an IP per site, if it gets ddosed, nulling its IP wouldn't take down your other sites
08:19<HoopyCat>caker: SOLD
08:20<akerl>I personally try to avoid ddos problems :-)
08:20<akerl>But also sold.
08:20<Peng>See a lot of IPv6 DDoSes, eh?
08:20<@caker>I'm still sticking with one IPv6 per resource (per client, per day of week, per...)
08:20<bd_>caker: eh, with only 4096 addresses I'm sure there are some people who would still run out :) Now when /64s are available, on the other hand...
08:21<akerl>Next step is to get myself an HE tunnel from home so I can actually test this stuff
08:21<HoopyCat>caker: which side of the building is your loading dock on? the truck driver is on the phone and wants to know where he can unload the pallets of gold ingots i just sent you
08:21<Peng>Personally, I use 1 IP per web-SSL-cert, but not for every single unencrypted site. Failover and such would be cool in theory, but it's simply not something I do, so it's not worth the hassle.
08:22<@heckman>caker: it's 8:22AM on a Saturday. Why are you awake? :P
08:23<marius>heckman: changing his IPs to a new day of the week, obviously
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08:24<@caker>heckman: my house has an alarm system from the previous owners that isn't wired up and doesn't do anything other than need attention randomly every few weeks/months by beeping and wanting the code entered in. This was my morning.
08:25<jtsage>heh. quick other ipv6 question, re: private network transfer - is that in any way limited to just the assigned address, or are the pool addresses smart enough to know it's not leaving the DC too?
08:25<@caker>jtsage: the latter
08:25<jtsage>brilliant, thanks :)
08:26<HoopyCat>jtsage: there is only one subnet to match, instead of hundreds. easier to notch out, i suppose
08:27<@heckman>caker: that made me think of this from the she Lost:
08:27<jtsage>heh, good point
08:27<HoopyCat>caker: i slayed ours... it put up some fight, but an alarm system is no match for an electronics engineer
08:28<@caker>HoopyCat: every time this happens I think the same thing. It needs to go.
08:28<HoopyCat>caker: plus, the sound the horn makes when you finally disconnect the last power source is priceless
08:28<HoopyCat>i'd almost hook it up to hear it again, but i'm afraid
08:29<@heckman>caker: I'm sure the Linodians could figure something out. I cannot guarateen you'll have working power afterwards, however.
08:29<@heckman>...can't type today
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08:29<@heckman>Not even going to try an fix it at this point.
08:31<@psandin>just give up while you're behind and go to bed
08:31*heckman crawls under caker's desk and takes a nap
08:31<@heckman>No alarm here. :>
08:32<akerl>Out of curiosity, how do I connect my mac to my HE tunnel? The instructions it gives are for when you're using airport, which I do not use.
08:32<HoopyCat>akerl: can you set it up on your router?
08:32<akerl>I'm about to check. It's the actiontec fios router, which I loathe. So we'll see
08:33<@heckman>akerl: They give instructions for "NetBSD / Mac OS X"
08:33<akerl>heckman: ah ha. Missed that
08:33<@heckman>akerl: click on your tunnel, hit up the "Example Configurations" tab, and enjoy. :P
08:33<HoopyCat>akerl: if there's one machine on your network that can terminate the tunnel, perform routing duties, and run radvd, all of your machines will suddenly become IPv6-enabled
08:33*heckman wrote a blog post with instructions on how to accomplish that. :>
08:34<akerl>Awesome, thanks folks. I saw the list, but didn't read past NetBSD to Mac
08:34<HoopyCat>i use an old dell desktop machine i found in someone's garbage pile during a rainstorm a few years ago
08:34<@heckman>HoopyCat: Did I show you the cool feature of my netbook that makes it look awesome as my IPv6 gateway?
08:34<HoopyCat>heckman: nope!
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08:35<@heckman>The way the battery fits in it sits perfectly on its hinge. Haha
08:35<potential_customer>hi all
08:35<Peng>potential_customer: Hello
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08:35<@heckman>Hello potential_customer
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08:35<bob2>most literal nick ever
08:36<akerl>Unless he's lying :p maybe he's a spy, trying to use a clever nick to confuse us
08:36<potential_customer>do the linode server have centos 5.4 version?
08:36<bob2>centos 5.4 is pretty old
08:36<bob2>why do you want an ancient unsupported OS?
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08:37<potential_customer>the problem is my production servers are on 5.4 and it will take time to upgrade them
08:37<@heckman>Unfortunately, we no longer offer CentOS 5.4 images. Sorry. :(
08:37<potential_customer>i want this linode server to be my staging serve
08:37<bob2>so you've not had security updates for a year now?
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08:37<akerl>potential_customer: Switching to a new host sounds like the perfect time to do upgrades...
08:37<bd_>It's possible to install it manually if you _really_ want it
08:38<bd_>but continuing to use an old unsupported version is probably a bad idea
08:38<HoopyCat>heckman: ooh, nice. mine isn't quite that awesome. alas, isn't the best photo, but it is that dark thing in the dark shadow on the dark shelf below
08:38<bob2>oh I lie, it's 12.5 months without security updates
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08:39<potential_customer>if i upgrade to 5.6 , are there any package changes.. i have apache with mod_wsgi, django and some pytton libraries in 2.6.6
08:39<HoopyCat>potential_customer: you can try to wing it with, but going to latest 5.x is very recommended (and shouldn't, in theory, break much)
08:39<bob2>well, python2.6 isn't in centos
08:39<bob2>so that doesn't matter
08:40<bob2>may need to rebuild mod_wsgi
08:40<linbot>Tasos: hello!
08:40<HoopyCat>potential_customer: you'd probably have to check the release notes from centos, but if you installed python from source, it shouldn't touch it
08:40<potential_customer>oh.. ya.. i did altternate install
08:40<HoopyCat>assuming it is in /usr/local/*
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08:40<potential_customer>it's inm /usr/local/*
08:40<HoopyCat>out of curiousity, what version of python ships with 5.x?
08:40<Tasos>I want to buy a plan but it says that my e-mail seems invalid my e-mail is a very respectful e-mail provider
08:41<bob2>HoopyCat: 2.4!
08:42<@caker>Tasos: we get lots of fradulent signups from, so it's been banned. Can you use a different address?
08:42<HoopyCat>bob2: django 1.3 still runs on it at least. phew. but dang, is there even a future from which to import with_statement?
08:42<Peng>Wow. Poor
08:42<bob2>HoopyCat: there is not
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08:43<HoopyCat>imap2maildir doesn't even support 2.5 any more
08:43<bob2>centos is the only reason anyone cares about 2.4 anymore
08:43<HoopyCat>(thanks, python 3.x pull request guy)
08:43<Tasos>Well actually no, it is my primary mail and I wouldn't like to sign up with a secondary or new account that I will never use
08:44<bob2>but centos appears pretty boned atm anyway
08:44<Tasos>Is there any workaround
08:45<HoopyCat>heckman: my wiring closet photo reminds me that i need to update some of those labels
08:45<@caker>Tasos: yes, sign up using a different email address, then once you have your account you can switch back to your gmx email. It's just during signup that it's banned
08:45<Tasos>I am sure that you have fradulent signups from gmail and other mainstream providers
08:45<@heckman>HoopyCat: Glad I could be of assistance. :P
08:46<HoopyCat>and probably deprecate the PAP2, now that we're on native SIP
08:46<Tasos>If not as many
08:46<Tasos>But ok if that works I will do so
08:46<@caker>Tasos: thanks .. sorry for the hassle
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08:47<HoopyCat> Useragent : Cisco/SPA303-7.4.5
08:48<HoopyCat>^--- move over, polycom; i've got a new favorite
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08:51<HoopyCat>Vulnerability Advisory: User clicks on something that they shouldn't have (CVE-0)
08:51<HoopyCat>hee hee
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08:52<HoopyCat>"An attacker can execute arbitrary code on a system by sending a specifically crafted message to a vulnerable user."
08:53<HoopyCat>actually, for full effect,
08:54<camilonova>Hi, anyone can help me with rabbitmq instalation on ubuntu, i have an error and this is the stacktrace:
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08:59<HoopyCat>ok, i sent the headline of that article and the shadyurl to my wife, walked over to her office, and bam, she was reading the article
08:59<HoopyCat>proof-of-concept exploit
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09:01<HoopyCat>camilonova: haven't yet used rabbitmq, but is there nothing else listening on port 5672? (ss -nltp)
09:01<camilonova>HoopyCat: cheking...
09:02<@heckman>teh weekend brbdriving home o
09:03<KyleXY>heckman: have fun last night? :p
09:05<camilonova>HoopyCat: this is what i have:
09:06<HoopyCat>camilonova: looks like beam.smp (pid 14690) is listening on port 5672 already
09:08<camilonova>HoopyCat: is not from rabbitmq?
09:08<HoopyCat>camilonova: i don't know enough about rabbitmq to answer that question, alas
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09:11<camilonova>HoopyCat: give me a second i try to figure out whats in that port
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09:12<HoopyCat>camilonova: 'ps auxwww | grep 14690' should give you more info about what it is
09:13<HoopyCat>0 30 *:* users:(("beam.smp",3332,16))
09:13<HoopyCat>^--- from my home computer of science; that looks to be couchdb
09:14<HoopyCat>you know, since rabbitmq is written in erlang, i suspect it might actually be running
09:14<chesty>i have that process too
09:15<chesty>i don't know what it does, i did google it once and found out, but forgot :(
09:16<HoopyCat>chesty: i think beam.smp is the erlang interpreter, of sorts, although i am unfamiliar with the domain-specific vernacular
09:17<chesty>google says it's a couchdb used by gwibber
09:17<HoopyCat>chesty: couchdb is an open-source document-oriented nosql key-value store database web scale performant erlang map-reduce fault tolerant json cluster
09:18<chesty>but does it shard?
09:21<HoopyCat>chesty: maybe
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09:23<chesty>is there any docs for the nodebalancer?
09:23<HoopyCat>psandin: <3 i'll fire it up as soon as i get back from the laundromat
09:24<@psandin>chesty: not yet, Perihelion should be on that on Mondy
09:24<HoopyCat>chesty: :-)
09:24<chesty>cheers big ears
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09:25<HoopyCat>if tj or josh haven't beat me to the punch, and if my wife doesn't pull the "wah wah you spend every weekend hacking python" card, there'll probably be some applied docs in linode-python this weekend
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09:26<chesty>One question I'm dying to know, besides just general interest, in what way is it a managed service?
09:27<Hoggs>What is nodebalancer? Oo
09:27<HoopyCat>which i will then copy and paste into libcloud and submit as a patch, which will be rejected, causing jed to do the actual hard work
09:27<@psandin>chesty: it operates on magic, you point it to your backends, and we take care of making it do the right thing from there
09:28<HoopyCat>chesty: it's along the lines of the dns manager and the backup service... basically, shit you COULD do on your own, but it would require more than one linode to do right
09:28<chesty>does it support ssl?
09:28<HoopyCat>and would involve undue yak shaving
09:29<@psandin>depends how you define "support", it has a tcp connection mode that can be used for anything, including SSL
09:30<chesty>ok, ta. my curiousity has been quenched
09:30<HoopyCat>it doesn't MITM your SSL to perform HTTP-based love, if that's what you're asking
09:31<@caker>I'm talking bout the MITM. I'm asking him to change his ways
09:32<HoopyCat>i MITM'd urparents last night
09:32<@caker>and no message could have been any clearer - ifyouwanttomaketheworld. a better place. take a look at yourself and make a: change
09:32<HoopyCat>... afk, bleaching brain
09:33<camilonova>HoopyCat: sorry im lost, what should i do next?
09:33<camilonova>i have an erlang proccess called beam.spm
09:33<camilonova>but that should be installed by rabbitmq
09:34<camilonova>i dont have it before
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09:35<protonchris>Ouch. Too early for MJ.
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09:39<newnick>I'm having an issue getting email to route to a third party service. MX records point to the service but emails are not able to receive. Does Linode have any info on this in any guides?
09:40<KBme>maybe you are being filtered by spam filters or something?
09:40<Hellojere>Hey, I'm trying to get my first ever RoR app to run on the production server, but there's an issue with the routes, mainly GET requests I guess. Any ideas?
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09:41<chesty>"* Native IPv6 enabled" ... "We're ready to rock in all of the other facilities"
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09:45<newnick>Don't think that's it, cause it works with our shared hosting with the same settings.
09:45<chesty>newnick: who is sending the emails and from where?
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09:50<newnick>Sending from the third party service and outside of service to test it out.
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09:54<chesty>newnick: what has linode got to do with it?
09:54<GLaDOSDan>Is there no way to grab xfer usage via the API? :(
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09:57<newnick>I have hosting elsewhere and put in the same MX info, an emails go to the right place. So why is the same info in the linode manager not working?
09:58<chesty>newnick: impossible to answer without knowing the domain
09:59<the|Navigator>When will the main debian repo get mysql 5.5...
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10:06<HoopyCat>newnick: pastebin the output of the "Zone file" link on the DNS Manager index page?
10:07<user6224>I search load balancing solution for my client, and I would like participate in ba
10:07<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: it is available via the undocumented URL (e.g.
10:08<GLaDOSDan>Why would it be undocumented?
10:09<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: probably to keep it from getting hit every five minutes by 10,000 munin-nodes :-)
10:09<GLaDOSDan>what arguments does this thing want
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10:09<GLaDOSDan>it's throwiong me a DENIED all the time
10:09<GLaDOSDan>I tried my linode's "linodexxxxx" ID
10:09<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: user= should be the lish username of the linode you are pulling the information from. it is filtered by source IP
10:10<GLaDOSDan>so it only accepts requests from my node?
10:10<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: yup
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10:10<GLaDOSDan>Perfect :)
10:11<HoopyCat>caker: on the forum post, the subject is "RFT: NodeBalancer - lbass - Load Balancer as a Service", but it should be "lbaas"
10:11<GLaDOSDan>ass is better
10:11<HoopyCat>one is load balancing as a service, the other is lance bass's username
10:12<GLaDOSDan>Time to casually steal the bandwidth bar from the 'Linodes' tab on the manager
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10:14<GLaDOSDan>psandin: Cheers :P
10:17<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: is full of awesome if you're using jQuery... see and the Dehumidifier sidebar widget on
10:18<HoopyCat>(that dehumidifier is a demo for so frickin' much technology)
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10:18<GLaDOSDan>Oh sweet
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10:27<Parallax>HoopyCat: how do you like b2evolution?
10:28<HoopyCat>Parallax: it works decently well, and i don't have to futz around with it too much
10:28<Parallax>what httpd do you run?
10:28<HoopyCat>Parallax: lighttpd
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10:29<HoopyCat>brb, time to de-pvgrub this box and return to latest 2.6 paravirt country
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10:36<marius>Anyone using WP? I'm sumped by this weird phenomena that it limits media uploads to 10MB, although my server is setup with 30M limits (tested with my own applications and they work fine up to 30M)..any ideas?
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10:39<GLaDOSDan>Does anyone have their transfer pool with like 1% usage that can help me for as ec?
10:40<marius>I have 2% ?
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10:40<GLaDOSDan>Okay great, can you go to and pastebin the area of the source code that shows the transfer pool bar?
10:41<GLaDOSDan>I just want to see how the manager fits the "xx% Used" in there when the percentage is really low
10:41<marius>I guess
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10:41<marius>width 2%
10:41<marius>but I suspect the css of it has a min-width so that it can fit the text in
10:42<marius>chucked it up there for you any way
10:42<GLaDOSDan>There is a min-width
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10:43<marius>marius 4 pr0 css!
10:43<marius>Funny story, couple months ago I couldnt' even make a div float and Perihelion raged at me for being a retard xD
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10:43<@Perihelion>To be fair, I still rage at you for being a retard.
10:43*GLaDOSDan waves to Perihelion
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10:43<marius>I'm gonna be over there --> cutting.
10:43<@jed>marius: owned
10:43<@Perihelion>At least your my favorite retard
10:44<marius>I also hear yyou linodians enjoy your spoons
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10:44<marius>mr heckman kindly showed us taht you love them so much you forget ot refill them.
10:44<marius>I shall now go smash my head into a concrete wall.
10:44<@Perihelion>Oh, I made that because all of the tea drinkers used to use them and then not refill them
10:45<@Perihelion>And I RAGED
10:45<marius>fuckign nice weather, it's all natures fault!
10:45<@Perihelion>Oddly enough it hasn't been a problem since the sign was made.
10:45<marius>Did you also replace the dirty knife ?
10:45<marius>there was a dirty knife in the knife compartment, it is a health violation!
10:45<@Perihelion>Was there? Idk
10:46<marius>also, lurk much? xD
10:46<marius>I'm in a coding mood :3
10:47<Parallax>I feel like running Ubuntu on my desktop, is this a bad idea
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10:48<HoopyCat>Parallax: i really like having the exact same distro/version on everything
10:48<GLaDOSDan>HoopyCat: < GLaDOSDan best web designer 2011
10:48<Parallax>I ran Ubuntu a few months ago but got tired of booting into Windows to play games
10:48<Parallax>but these days I don't really do much gaming
10:49<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: woot, stacking ftw
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10:56<linbot>New news from forums: email from my web app hosted by linode ends in spam folder in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || email from my web app hosted by linode ends in spam folder in General Discussion <>
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11:10<kedarm>(I think this is all right, but ...) My main domain got transferred from GoDaddy to ns* in a few minutes, but the subdomain I created on Linode Domain Manager does not yet respond to pings. Would it take around 24 hours?
11:11<SnoFox>It'll take a while to propegate, yes.
11:13<GLaDOSDan>kedarm: what is the subdomain
11:13<Parallax>Is it a bad idea to use the root user for a wordpress database?
11:13<GLaDOSDan>Definitely, Parallax
11:13<GLaDOSDan>"Is it a bad idea to use the root for *?"
11:13<GLaDOSDan>Answer = yes
11:13<Parallax>haha, ok
11:14<GLaDOSDan>Yeah that isn't resolving for me either, kedarm
11:14<GLaDOSDan>Are you sure you spelt it correctly, etc?
11:14<GLaDOSDan>(In the Manager)
11:14<kedarm>GLaDOSDan: yes.
11:14<@jed>kedarm: gtld-servers still has godaddy for your domain
11:14<kedarm>Yeah, don't know why that happened, GLaDOSDan :(
11:14<GLaDOSDan>It won't propergate if you don't do that
11:15<kedarm>What must I do?
11:15<@jed>kedarm: did you change your nameservers in godaddy's control panel?
11:15<GLaDOSDan>Those need to say ns*
11:15<bd_>kedarm: btw, dig +trace is quite useful in cases like this
11:15<kedarm>jed: yes
11:15<GLaDOSDan>g.root-servers still has *just* godaddy
11:15<GLaDOSDan>oh, I see
11:16<GLaDOSDan>Why would gtld-servers have both linode and domaincontrol listed as name servers?
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11:16<GLaDOSDan>You can't have both, kedarm, if that's what you did
11:16<kedarm> dig +trace shows: <<>> DiG 9.7.0-P1 <<>> +trace
11:16<kedarm>; (1 server found)
11:17<@jed>kedarm: dig @ +trace NS
11:17<@jed>that will answer your question, which is that the .com nameservers still have godaddy as authoritative
11:17<@jed>godaddy might lag that, intentionally or unintentionally, or the .com zone might not have been refreshed yet
11:18<@jed>oh wait, I see what you did
11:18<@jed>yeah, I don't that horizontal referral will work
11:18<@jed>you want to do this:
11:19<@jed>the 'registered with us' section applies and you want "I have specific nameservers for my domains"
11:19<kedarm>jed: I think I am seeing the problem. In my GoDaddy DNS manager, I see both ns's (linode's and domain control) present. Maybe that's what GLaDOSDan was trying to suggest?
11:19<GLaDOSDan>Remove domain control
11:19<kedarm>OK, will do.
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11:19<@jed>yes and no - you added NS records, you didn't change the authoritative
11:20<@jed>those steps will make godaddy change your NS records in the zone above you (which is what you need)
11:20<kedarm>jed: I might have to do that, since it did not allow me to remove domaincontrol NS :(
11:21<A-KO>does anyone have a good regex line for matching IPv6 addresses via grep?
11:21<BarkerJr>regex on ipv6 is very ugly
11:22<A-KO>yeah I found a few on google but they're not seemingly working with grep for some reason
11:22<A-KO>different syntax I guess?
11:23<BarkerJr>I tend to just use ([0-9a-f]+:[0-9a-f]+)+
11:24<BarkerJr>it's not perfect, but it's simple
11:24<zibri>what about ::1? :)
11:24<BarkerJr>noone uses ::1, silly :)
11:25<zibri>a-ko: it's not grep, but there's a perl module: Regexp::IPv6 if it helps.
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11:25<SnoFox>([0-9a-f]?::?[0-9a-f])+ # Simple, I just made it. :p
11:25<SnoFox>Will catch unexpanded addresses.
11:25<Parallax>oh god
11:25<zibri>snofox: pretty :)
11:25<Parallax>remember ipv6 IPs is gonna be effort
11:26<zibri>that's why we got dns :)
11:26<BarkerJr>mine would catch unexpanded ones, too
11:26<Parallax>yeah yeah
11:26<zibri>and dead:beef etc
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11:27<SnoFox>BarkerJr: It does? All unexpanded addresses?
11:27<BarkerJr>well, except ::1
11:27<zibri>barkerjr: and not dead::beef
11:27<SnoFox>Okay, my desktop just spun up and is making a weird sound...
11:28<SnoFox>I'm gonna go check on that.
11:28<BarkerJr>zibri: that's not a valid ipv6
11:28<@jed>yes it is
11:28<BarkerJr>no, that range is unassigned
11:28<@jed>but valid
11:29<HoopyCat>remembering IPv4 addresses isn't exactly something i've been known to do, aside from having a couple resolvers memorized
11:29<zibri>barkerjr: 2001::dead then?
11:29<zibri>but that's not something you'd take into consideration when designing regualar expressions imho...
11:29<BarkerJr>that's reserved, so it will never be used
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11:30<zibri>barkerjr: so what?
11:30<BarkerJr>I don't need to worry about it
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11:30<zibri>right, "ok".
11:30<BarkerJr>none of my customers will use it
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11:31<BarkerJr>all the allocated space has at least two contiguous blocks
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11:42<HoopyCat>!wx kroc
11:42<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 71.6F/22C, visibility 10 miles, wind 10.36 mph (altimeter: 29.9) [KROC 281454Z 19009KT 10SM FEW032 SCT070 22/17 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP124 T02170172 58007 ]
11:43<HoopyCat>ok, so the temperature display on the power monitor will tend to be inaccurate when the sun is shining directly on the sensor
11:43<AlexC_>HoopyCat: quick question after seeing that. Where are you getting the METAR data from?
11:43<HoopyCat>AlexC_: i think it's Yaakov's thing
11:43<AlexC_>ok, I'll poke him when he's alive
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11:48<Parallax>can't decide on lighttpd vs. nginx :|
11:48<HoopyCat>AlexC_: that said, 'weather -i kroc -v' gives me equivalent output from the comfort of my ubuntu
11:49<AlexC_>Parallax: nginx
11:49<HoopyCat>Parallax: i generally go nginx nowadays
11:49<Parallax>any particular reason?
11:49<AlexC_>HoopyCat: interesting, I'll try and find out where that gets it from. Thanks =)
11:49<HoopyCat>apache for php or coldfusion, nginx for real stuff
11:50<Parallax>not nginx for php?
11:50<HoopyCat>Parallax: nginx seems more widely used and active these days
11:50<AlexC_>yeah, I often see Lighttpd as a dead project now (it's still active, but ... it's got to that stage)
11:50<HoopyCat>Parallax: life's too short to deal with the .htaccess plague :-)
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11:52<Parallax>I'm just gonna be running a wordpress blog so I guess I only really need apache
11:52<Parallax>but I wanted to fiddle with nginx/lighttpd
11:52<Parallax>I hear getting permalinks to work with nginx is a pain in the ass
11:52<AlexC_>Parallax: if it's just you hosting a website, then nginx will be fine. You have access to the server config, so you don't need .htaccess type feature
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11:53<HoopyCat>why the hell wordpress needs to *rely* on .htaccess for such a basic feature as URLs not looking like shit, i've never quite understood
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11:54<HoopyCat>but, well, PHP-related things often leave me with more questions than answers
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11:55<A-KO>$40 more per month for 105Mbps internet...hmmm
11:55<GLaDOSDan>How else would it do it, HoopyCat
11:55<GLaDOSDan>mkdir? >_>
11:55<A-KO>hell I wouldn't even get that speed though :(
11:55<A-KO>my fw only does up to 75Mbps
11:55<SleePy>HoopyCat, Its not PHP. Its the developers of the script only testing it with Apache or providing configs for Apache :P
11:56<SleePy>I got wsvn to work without apache, despite it wanting multiviews enabled.
11:56<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: the web server tells the application the requested URI, and the application says "ah! /2011/05/cheese-futures-rising/ is this page here!"
11:57<BarkerJr>I was downloading today and got 32mbit :)
11:57<GLaDOSDan>which is what the .htaccess does..?
11:57<@Perihelion>Cheese futures are rising?!
11:57<@Perihelion>Holy crap.
11:57<Parallax>hmm, so nginx it is
11:58<Tank71>im lucky to get 90 kb/s :(
11:58<HoopyCat>GLaDOSDan: in a way, yes, by cramming it into the querystring... /2011/05/cheese-futures-rising/ -> /index.php?/2011/05/cheese-futures-rising/
11:58<@caker>or into path: /index.php/2011/05/cheese-futures-rising/
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12:04<AlexC_>HoopyCat: that's just to make it easier to access. You can just rewrite everything to index.php and then look in $_SERVER and parse out what you need ... but accessing $_GET is just far easier
12:06<AlexC_>or you can not have to use any rewriting and have URLs such as /index.php/my/url/here
12:09<GLaDOSDan>caker: Why is the bandwidth graph 30 pixels wider than the CPU graph?!
12:10<GLaDOSDan>...than the CPU graph and the I/O graph?! *
12:10<GLaDOSDan>Oh, I see :P
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12:10<GLaDOSDan>and I ment taller
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12:15<HoopyCat>AlexC_: you should only have to resolve the requested URL once... /(?P<year>\d+)/(?P<month>\d+)/(?P<slug>[-\w]+)/$ -> blog_post_detail
12:17<AlexC_>yes, though this is a project that prefixes its functions with "maybe_"
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12:21<kedarm>jed: Thanks for the GoDaddy link. I think I have now configured the nameservers correctly.
12:21<HoopyCat>for what it's worth, the "don't use ?>" thing pretty much convinced me PHP is not something i care to involve myself with, so i now mostly bitch about ways in which it demands to be a special and unique princess
12:24<HoopyCat>the URL thing, the threading thing, the deprecation thing, and the single-database thing (which is less a language shortcoming and more of a framework shortcoming) are where it intersects with my desire to be let alone, however, and those are places where i will express indignation
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12:25<AlexC_>single-database thing?
12:26<AlexC_>and the URL thing is not specific to PHP. That's just how web servers work
12:27<HoopyCat>AlexC_: it is difficult to route writes to one database server, but distribute reads across a set of read-only slaves
12:27<AlexC_>while I do agree, PHP has its mad moments (such as \ for namespaces ... kill me now), it's great for quick things and powerful when needed. So long as you don't use some stupid ass framework, but one of the more simple and elegant ones, you're fine
12:28<AlexC_>HoopyCat: nope, not anymore
12:28<AlexC_>HoopyCat: if you compile either of the mysql, mysqli or PDO_MYSQL extensions against "mysqlnd" - this has support for plugins, one of those plugins does just what you said automatically
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12:30<AlexC_> for example
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12:31<HoopyCat>AlexC_: i've not experienced the URL thing anywhere else but with PHP applications (and old-ass CGI stuff, too, which is where the idea came from I suppose)... this might be specific to how apache+mod_php works
12:31<AlexC_>HoopyCat: hum, I can't see how. If the file doesn't exist (which 2011/04/foobar simply isn't), then it needs to be rewritten
12:32<HoopyCat>AlexC_: and i stand corrected on the database thing! thanks, this will be handy.
12:32<AlexC_>HoopyCat: it's pretty cool what they are doing with it =) I've not used it personally though,
12:33<HoopyCat>AlexC_: why is it looking for a file? it already knows is handled by a particular application, it doesn't need to look for a file named 2011/05/cheese-futures-rising/index.html
12:33<HoopyCat>(that is a somewhat rhetorical question)
12:35<AlexC_>HoopyCat: I think I get what you're on about. You'd be wanting to setup the webserver to just send all requests to an external server, such as when using PHP FPM? If so, then yeah that would be possible
12:36<HoopyCat>AlexC_: in every other situation, that is the default behavior, and doing it the index.blah?/2011/... way is available as a workaround
12:37*praetorian purchases some cheese futures
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12:38<AlexC_>HoopyCat: well, you have to remember that PHP apps are often used by people that don't have access to their web server configuration. It's different if when hosting for example RoR apps where they can set it all up for you how it should be ran
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12:38<avenj>they should buy a linode
12:38<HoopyCat>AlexC_: then have the .htaccess rewrite method available as a workaround
12:40<HoopyCat>it isn't necessarily an either-or kind of thing, with an adequate URL dispatcher (which it isn't PHP's job to implement)
12:40<AlexC_>HoopyCat: sure, but that's just a massive ball ache when coding an application for an environment you simply don't know
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12:41<AlexC_>with the amount of ways that PHP can be ran, the unknowns are through the roof
12:41<AlexC_>avenj: btw, a lot of the info on that site is pure FUD and lack of understanding of the author
12:41<kedarm>(still a newbie sysadmin, and hence) can someone please confirm that the output of "dig @ NS" does mean that I have configured the linode subdomain ( correctly to use linode's nameservers?
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12:42<AlexC_>avenj: for example, the inconsistencies is just silly. It's very consistent with what it is suppose to be consistent with
12:42<GLaDOSDan>Correct, kedarm
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12:43<kedarm>thanks GLaDOSDan, I made changes to godaddy as you/jed suggested and wanted to make sure that all I should now do is wait for it to sync up ...
12:43<GLaDOSDan>(working for me)
12:43<HoopyCat>AlexC_: there's gonna be ball ache either way, and outsourcing the ball ache to the sysadmin or the user unless they happen to use the exact set of circumstances you're using (apache+mod_php+.htaccess) is NOT the way to do it
12:44<HoopyCat>kedarm: from 'dig +trace', life looks good
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12:45<kedarm>HoopyCat: Thanks. But so that I understand, how can one infer that it looks good? What do you look for? (I am sorry, dig output is a bit cryptic)
12:46<AlexC_>HoopyCat: mod_php isn't a requirement here. You could use Apache + mod_fcgid and PHP over CGI, or Apache + mod_fastcgi and PHP FPM. The .htaccess solution will work just fine for all of those. Depending on how the sysadmin set up the server, then using other webservers such as nginx or Lighttpd may work
12:46<kedarm>When I run the same command, I get:
12:46<kedarm>; <<>> DiG 9.7.0-P1 <<>> +trace
12:46<kedarm>;; global options: +cmd
12:46<kedarm>;; Received 12 bytes from in 21 ms
12:47<rainman>aren't there frameworks for php that can do the url routing for you, relieving apache from it?
12:47<AlexC_>rainman: yes. All the webserver normally does in these situations is rewrite everything to index.php?url=foobar for example
12:48<HoopyCat>kedarm: +trace tells it to start at the top of the DNS tree and work its way down: ... after all that, lines 35-38 (where the .com nameservers say to go) and line 41 (the actual answer to the question you're asking, namely "i want an A record for") are what counts
12:48<@Perihelion>UH OH
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12:50<HoopyCat>AlexC_: the fastcgi approaches obviate the web server's need for the .htaccess rewrite, so i included mod_php in the list, but it's really more of an apache-centricism jab
12:50<praetorian>Perihelion: Cherry O
12:50<kedarm>Thanks, HoopyCat! That helps. But when I run that command on my terminal here, I get a very short response :(
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12:53<HoopyCat>kedarm: it sounds like your local nameserver ( might be misconfigured... just typing 'dig' without arguments should get you a list of root nameservers. you can also do 'dig +trace @' (or your choice of good, law-abiding nameservers) to start it off with some other source of hint
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12:55<kedarm>HoopyCat: Oh OK. Perhaps my router (which acts as a NS for LAN) is misconfigured. I'll look into it.
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13:03<HoopyCat>there's also a decent chance it doesn't know how to handle that sort of query, perhaps if the router manufacturer rolled their own resolver. if so, regard its replies with suspicion
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13:06<kedarm>It's a D-Link router and from what I can tell, seem to have legit DNS's (provided by my ISP). So, I am not sure why it misbehaves :(
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13:07<HoopyCat>D-Link, huh? wow, i'd never suspect them of re-inventing an internet wheel in a broken fashion, no, not at all
13:08<JoeK>my dns server is
13:08<JoeK>by dhcp
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13:14<kedarm>hmm. The NS my ISP provided also seems to be ill-behaving. Maybe I should just use OpenDNS's nameservers?
13:14<new_cust>i tried to place an order on your site and got the message, "We're sorry, but the transaction failed. Please make sure your credit card information is correct and resubmit the..."
13:15<new_cust>i know 100% i have the available credit, why would this happen
13:15<HoopyCat>kedarm: phew, that actually makes more sense than the router's dns proxy eating it. (as you can guess from my +trace, i use OpenDNS)
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13:17<HoopyCat>new_cust: any of a number of reasons from a typo on your part to your bank's security mechanisms treating it as a suspicious transaction... your best bet would be to e-mail or give them a call on the phone; the result code might be logged somewhere
13:18<kedarm>HoopyCat: Thanks. Should I just sign up for OpenDNS basic?
13:18<HoopyCat>(or else this is the first indication that someone stole your card and ran up $15,000 at the lederhosen store)
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13:19<new_cust>i just called and he said its getting denied somewhere due to my bank
13:19<new_cust>ill try again
13:19<HoopyCat>kedarm: the free version? yeah... technically speaking, you don't need to sign up at all to use it, but it is neat
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13:21<kedarm>HoopyCat: I see. Didn't relate to the fact that they provided it for free.
13:26<HoopyCat>kedarm: by default, opendns does their own futzing with replies; see and and these can be disabled with a free account.
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13:26<HoopyCat>that looks like a NAT table reset :-)
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13:29<@caker>For future reference: we have no clue why banks decline the charge, other than: "declined". The error message says to call your bank and ask them :)
13:29<HoopyCat>kedarm: by default, opendns does their own futzing with replies; see and and these can be disabled with the free account if desired. (and it still kicks google dns's butt, thanks to
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13:30<new_customer>hey guys
13:30<new_customer>everything is fine now
13:30<new_customer>just letting you all know mastercard for some reason
13:30<new_customer>flagged linode as suspicious and put a hold on my card :/
13:31<@caker>the nerve!
13:31<new_customer>i got it all squared away so its fine, just putting that out there
13:31<new_customer>anyway thanks a lot
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13:31<jkwood>caker: To be fair, you guys have mikegrb and jed. I'd be suspicious too.
13:32<@Perihelion>You are a sage.
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13:32<HoopyCat>caker: figured it was perhaps worth a check to make sure it did actually get a response from the issuing bank and wasn't just throwing that error because someone's sitting on the test mode button
13:32<@caker>step one should always be: assume it's the bank's fault. :)
13:32*HoopyCat has never had his Tester's Choice VISA fail
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13:33<jkwood>I thought step one was to ridicule the problem so that it doesn't seem so overwhelming.
13:33<HoopyCat>caker: which does actually make sense, since i've never known a bank to not know they've declined a transaction...
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13:34<HoopyCat>((in fact, it's usually in the "Ah, Mr. Tucker, we were expecting your call..." creepy category))
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13:34<HoopyCat>(((this is how i found out about the lederhosen scenario)))
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13:35<MrPig>Hey has anyone tried installing KVM inside of a linode Xen environment? Before you go off telling me not to do it, I need it merely for development purposes, so I don't care about speed, etc
13:37<HoopyCat>MrPig: assuming the linux kernel is happy with the role of being a paravirtualized xen domU and a host to KVM guests, it should be about as doable as it would be on any architecture without virtualization extensions, i figure
13:37<@caker>SpaceHobo: I am deeply saddened for the future of the human race, because of that... thanks
13:37<HoopyCat>(i've never tried it, and that is one massive assumption)
13:38<kedarm>OK, I have run into a rather strange situation ... :-P
13:39<jkwood>That's okay, we're strange people.
13:39<kedarm>Yeah, jkwood, thanks! When GoDaddy was managing my domain (as of this morning), I had my domain's MX-records pointed to Google's mailservers.
13:39<HoopyCat>kedarm: more or less strange than a Mounted Posse Junior Queen Contest using stick ponies?
13:39<kedarm>HoopyCat: no, a rookie yet ;)
13:40<kedarm>Now, I pointed my domain to use linode's NS.
13:40<kedarm>Now, my DNS Manager on Godaddy disappeared :(
13:40<akerl>That's what you told it to do
13:40<kedarm>I thought they would still have my MX-records, no?
13:41<akerl>You told Godaddy to put Linode in charge of your DNS records.
13:41<HoopyCat>kedarm: yup, DNS service for the domain is no longer under godaddy's control
13:41<kedarm>OK, got it.
13:41<akerl>Thusly, you need to configure the MX records in the Linode DNS manager
13:41<HoopyCat> <--- quick ref for the MX records
13:41<kedarm>I see. So, now, Godaddy just owns my domain-name, nothing else.
13:42<kedarm>Thanks, HoopyCat! you all are so enthusiastic to help!
13:42<HoopyCat>it's either this or mow the lawn
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13:42<akerl>"IRC, #1 procrastination tool"
13:43<JoeK>HoopyCat: thats the same boat im in
13:43<@psandin>what about hacking python? where are my nodeblanacer bindings? :P
13:43<JoeK>i told myself in 1 hour ill mow the lawn... 3 hours ago
13:43<HoopyCat>grass is growin
13:44<kedarm>Perhaps mowing the lawn is not this rewarding?
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13:44<HoopyCat>kedarm: that is a remarkably optimistic way to put it :-)
13:46<jkwood>Technically, GoDaddy is just your registrar. When you go to re-up, you can renew with any other registrar you like.
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13:47<kedarm>Yeah, I should do that asap. My domain is about to be renewed in a few months' time.
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13:55<AviMarcus>this showed up in logwatch under sftp.. should I be worried, I don't really know what it means: Nasty PTR record "" is set up for, ignoring : 221 time(s)
13:56<linbot>HoopyCat: timed out
13:56<HoopyCat>linbot: pah
13:56<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: 3600 InitHello PTR190.208.81.107.
13:56<HoopyCat>err, tab complete weirdness in there
13:56<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: 3600 IN PTR
13:57<AviMarcus>so uh.. that means what? :x
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13:57<AviMarcus>and I don't use SFTP on my server, is there some way to disable it? it's part of ssh settings?
13:57<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: looks like whoever added the PTR record 1) missed the point and 2) probably ought not to be allowed near a zonefile
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13:58<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: so, that's sshd's way of saying "hey, look at what this moron did"
13:58<AviMarcus>I don't recognize that IP, I'm the only person ever logging into this linode via ssh.
13:59<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: you're the only person ever logging in, but not the only thing TRYING to log in
13:59<AviMarcus>certainly not :x
13:59<AviMarcus>so.. these are sftp login requests? can/should I disable SFTP - I only use ssh
14:00<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: i have no idea why they'd be under sftp... i don't think the ssh-vs-sftp distinction comes in until after successful authentication
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14:01<AviMarcus>weird. well, not like they couldn't have changed the logs, but logwatch/sshd only shows my IP logging in...
14:01<AviMarcus>While on the topic, I see stuff like reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for [] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! : 1 time(s)
14:01<AviMarcus>often. Usually with 3 digit numbers for time(s)
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14:02<HoopyCat>May 28 18:01:31 framboise sshd[2183]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= user=rtucker
14:02<HoopyCat>May 28 18:01:33 framboise sshd[2180]: error: PAM: Authentication failure for rtucker from
14:02<HoopyCat>that's what i get when i 'sftp framboise' and flub the password
14:03<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: that is in the "look at what this moron did" category, as well. in that case, reverses to, which is clearly not valid
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14:04<AviMarcus>gotcha. Thanks.
14:04<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: unless it is specifically trying to forge a trusted hostname, i wouldn't call it a "possible break-in attempt" any more than any of the other thousands of break-in attempts you get on the average day
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14:05<HoopyCat>but, well, that's what the error message says, because obviously whoever added the error message thought it was worthy of shouting
14:05<AviMarcus>heh, seems to be ~20 ish in total before getting fail2banned. I'm using ssh keys, is it worth going further to not have ssh open at all? I don't have a static IP where I ssh from.
14:06<AviMarcus>or is brute-forcing ssh keys so unlikely.. heck, they aren't even trying real user names.
14:06<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: you're going to have to log in somehow
14:07<AviMarcus>well, there's LISH.. or setting up dyndns and iptables on cron to find my IP.. or port knocking stuff.
14:07<akerl>AviMarcus: It's more likely that someone that determined to get in will find your house, steal your computer, and connect with that
14:08<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: fail2ban isn't a security tool by any stretch (esp in this case (assuming sshd doesn't accept passworded logins to accounts with shoddy passwords), where brute forcing is not going to yield results), but it is a log-noise-reduction tool
14:09<AviMarcus>I set sshd to only use keys, that should help.
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14:09<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, brute forcers have an unlimited number of IPs to brute-force from?
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14:10<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: they have every IP on every machine they have successfully brute-forced access to, yes
14:10<AlexC_>AviMarcus: changing SSH port is a good idea
14:10<jkwood>AlexC_: Not from a security standpoint, only from a "less log spam" standpoint.
14:10<JshWright>it's not a bad idea... I wouldn't say it's a "good" idea
14:10<AlexC_>jkwood: yes of course
14:10<HoopyCat>AlexC_: tends to create weird problems connecting from places with overly-cute firewalls or NATs
14:11<HoopyCat>AlexC_: (or staying connected, more accurately)
14:11<jkwood>And what happens when you have to try to ssh in through a firewall that only allows outbound port 22, and blocks everything else?
14:11<JshWright>it shields you from the random scans, but won't do a thing to protect you from a targetted attack, and can be annoying at times
14:11<JshWright>it's not worth the hassle, IMO (but I deal with a lot of finicky firewalls)
14:11<AlexC_>sure, it depends on the environments you're going to be in. I've yet to ran across a single issue with it
14:11<HoopyCat>my current approach is key or password+duo
14:13<HoopyCat>AlexC_: $client runs ssh on a non-standard port... it's a pain in the butt, although notching it out in ssh_config and setting the keepalives to a nice frequent value is a decent workaround
14:14<HoopyCat>it is effective at keeping the logs clean without adding denyhosts, though
14:14<AlexC_>HoopyCat: what issues have you ran into with it?
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14:16<onlineteachers>hi all
14:16<InitHello>HoopyCat: eh?
14:16<HoopyCat>AlexC_: NATs or other stateful firewalls with short timeouts
14:16<HoopyCat>InitHello: tab failure, oddly enough
14:16*InitHello has experienced that as well
14:17<InitHello>I pasted something in a pm window, and it ended up <content> <person's nick> <content>
14:17<HoopyCat>anyway, seriously, lawn-mowing time. afk
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14:17<onlineteachers>i have registered a accont with this username, and i forgot the password.. i tired reset password, it says instructions sent.. but i am not receving the email
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14:24<akerl>onlineteachers: You're probably going to want to head to #oftc
14:25<jkwood>akerl: That depends, is it a question of an irc username, or a Linode username?
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14:27<akerl>Ah. Very true
14:30<JoeK>when i finally went to cut the grass
14:30<JoeK>it started raining
14:30<JoeK>literally as soon as i got to the damn mower
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14:35<linbot>New news from forums: Best-practice backups for worst-case? in General Discussion <>
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14:39<rainman>smart thread
14:40<JoeK>you can pull backups from another d/c?
14:40<JoeK>oh, read that wrong
14:41<rainman>i've seen people ocassionally fall for the trap of "all my data is hosted on VPSes or backups with this single company, and now all their shit is fucked up"
14:43<JoeK>dont you like how hosting providors offer 'off site hosting'
14:43<JoeK>located on the same lan as the original server? :P
14:44<AviMarcus>wow. that's just wrong.
14:44<JoeK>ive been on a few hosts who did that
14:44<JoeK>needless to say i moved away
14:44<JoeK>partially because: (a) if they knew offsite was out of the d/c, they are liars (b) if they think offsite is in the same d/c, they dont know what theyre fully doing
14:45<JoeK>in either case, it throws up the red flag with a black skull and bones on it
14:45<path>maybe the ip is in the datacenter was just a temporary holding spot and they rsynced that system to another d/c without you knowing
14:46<path>you're just making big assumptions
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14:46<AviMarcus>path, nice.
14:46<JoeK>path: why wouldnt they just cut off WAN to the machine ?
14:47<JoeK>i dont know where im going with that
14:47<AviMarcus>JoeK, I hope he was being sarcastic :)
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14:47<JoeK>during a partial network failure, i was able to restore a backup at 10mb/s+
14:47<JoeK>(according to the panel), whereas my linode only got <1mb/s to it
14:48<JoeK>maybe they have a QoS, but still
14:48<JoeK>if i have to question wh ether it is offsite or not
14:48<JoeK>it makes me unearthy
14:48<JoeK>caker: make offsite backups
14:50<bd_>JoeK: you can always get a linode in another DC and rsync to it... :)
14:50<GLaDOSDan>JoeK: that costs money
14:50<JoeK>bd_: not as easy as linode backup :P
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14:56<akerl>JoeK: That's sortof the tradeoff there. Linode or otherwise, onsite backups are easy. Offsite is harder.
14:57<JoeK>make a backup 'premium' package
14:57<JoeK>more money less problems
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15:23<the|Navigator>Bah, I hate DNS.
15:23<AviMarcus>the|Navigator, what happened?
15:23<the|Navigator>AviMarcus: I never know how to set it up properly
15:24<AviMarcus>why? I haven't really had anything difficult to do DNS-wise..
15:24<the|Navigator>Is the A record without a hostname in my Linode Manager equivalent to a wildcard subdomain?
15:25<AviMarcus>huh, I have no wildcard subdomain dns entry.
15:25<linbot>New news from forums: To suPHP or not to suPHP? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
15:25<akerl>the|Navigator: Blank is for, * is for (anything)
15:32<the|Navigator>I wonder if caker would punch us in the face if we set the TTL to 5 minutes permanently.
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15:34<@jed>that was a quick transition from 'I never know how to set [DNS] up properly' to 'I should use 5 minute TTLs'
15:34<@jed>coincidence? :>
15:34<the|Navigator>jed: Just poking around the settings.
15:34<akerl>Since in the greater scheme of things, it would impact your connections worse than his traffic, I doubt it
15:35<AviMarcus>is 1 hour too low?
15:35<the|Navigator>jed: I'm familiar with the concept behind DNS, but any time I seem to use it, it blows up in my face and everything starts routing everything wrongly.
15:35<AviMarcus>the default at hostgator was 4 hrs
15:35<akerl>There really isn't a generic "too low", AviMarcus. It depends on your usage. It only really matters if there's a chance your IPs will change
15:36<AviMarcus>I'm not planning on them changing atm.
15:36<AviMarcus>I guess I kind of meant "significant reason to not have them so low when I don't actually plan on needing it that low"
15:37<akerl>The higher the TTL, the longer the information is cached, which can improve connect times.
15:38<jkwood>It also lowers dns traffic over the long-term, which in turn lowers overall internet traffic.
15:39<AviMarcus>yes, your low-traffic DNS settings affect overall internet traffic!
15:39<jkwood>They do.
15:39<AviMarcus>I'm thinking this one is negligible
15:40<akerl>AviMarcus: It's basically the same as driving hybrid cars. Your impact on emissions is a negligible percentage. But if more people configured TTL correctly?
15:40<jkwood>So is the traffic from one browser, but add enough of them and you're slashdotted.
15:41<tierra>jed: any eta on IPv6 rDNS (just noticed you now have Dallas IPv6)
15:43<AviMarcus>compared to say... youtube traffic and the protocols for bittorent traffic and netflix, will DNS TTL ever be a blip on affecting the internet?
15:44<akerl>AviMarcus: Have you ever donated money to a cause?
15:45<akerl>Individual citizen's donations are a negligible fraction of the total funding of charities. And yet your donation is still a part of that total.
15:45<akerl>tl;dr: Optimize your TTLs
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15:47<Guest2575>Speaking of DNS, anyone on the subject ofMX records?
15:47<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
15:47<akerl>Beat me to it :p
15:48<Cromulent>gah I hate coming up with names for new web apps you have made :|
15:49<Guest2575>How to get MX record to point to third party email-MX record is correct but no email goes. Must be something in the DNS setup or server setup.
15:49<Cromulent>oh and I really wish namecheap offered more country top level domains
15:49<the|Navigator>Cromulent: Call it something to do with web 2.0
15:49<jkwood>Call it Web App, then sue anyone who uses the term other than to deal with your product. It seems to work for Apple.
15:49<the|Navigator>Cromulent: TheWeb2.0IfierIzer
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15:49<kenyon>Guest2575: what is your domain?
15:50<akerl>jkwood: Apple seems to be on the receiving end of that recently
15:51<the|Navigator>Guest2575: Have you left enough time for it to propagate?
15:53<Guest2575>Gonna test one more time.
15:55<akerl>Guest2575: If you give us your domain name we can help you more
15:56<Guest2575>Thanks again! I just got a support ticket.
15:56<Cromulent>lucky support :p
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16:00<WoodWork>what's the easiest way of setting up a pptp tuneel?
16:00<WoodWork>(to use on phone)
16:01<Defenestrator>Does it have to be pptp?
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16:06<WoodWork>One sec, I'll get the list up.
16:07<WoodWork>Defenestrator: PPTP, L2TP, L2TP/IPSec PSD, L2TP/IPSec CRT
16:07<WoodWork>PSD - PSK
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16:13<WoodWork>One of those will be ideal!
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16:23<linbot>New news from forums: I've been with Linode for awhile... in Customer Testimonials <>
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16:54<WoodWork>So I'm half way there - I'm guessing. I've setup the pptpd on my Linode, but I cannot though my client. All passwords are correct. It's setup like this - any ideas people? :)
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16:56<akerl>WoodWork: General diagnostic question: Is it failing to connect, or failing to authenticate?
16:57<WoodWork>akerl: it's strange, it's connected and working on my ipod, but not my phone, or other computer.
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16:58<akerl>That points to a config problem on your devices, if it works on one
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17:05<WoodWork>yeah, very odd. I can connect one ipod but nothing else, not even another ipod.
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17:21<WoodWork>akerl: and the only iPod that can connect will not load anything.
17:21<WoodWork>Rather odd!
17:24<WoodWork>Both iPods are using the same connection too.
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17:28<asciant>I have a PHP script I have purchased which is requesting I CHMOD 777 certain files and folders. I am no apache expert, but I thought 777 was a security risk. Can anyone tell me if 777 is risky? and if have an alias, where the files are stored outside the public directory will resolve the security issue?
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17:30<JshWright>asciant: 777 means anyone can do anything anything with the file
17:31<WoodWork>JshWright: have you any ideas on my problem? :)
17:31<AviMarcus>JshWright, by "anyone" that means anyone with a username on the *nix server? not a random web person being served the file via apache?
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17:35<asciant>So a 777 file / directory is more like the "least" secure chmod setting?
17:36<GLaDOSDan>pretty much
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17:36<GLaDOSDan>anyone can read/write/exec
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18:32<nviror>Which web development should i learn first, Python (Django) or PHP (CakePHP or Yii) ?
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18:33<jtsage>nviror- do you know any other languages already./
18:34<nviror>jtsage, C++, which i learnt in school
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18:36<nviror>I'm familiar with both PHP and Python, now want to pursue them in deep.
18:36<jtsage>hmm. which does not translate real well to either (a.k.a. knowin C++ isn't going to give you a leg up on syntax of either php or python).
18:36<jtsage>plenty of free docs for both, so that's not much a consideration
18:37<nviror>jtsage, I'm familiar (script kiddie) with both PHP and Python, now want to pursue them in deep. which would you recommend?
18:38<jtsage>dunno, I know both reasonably well. I've never used python for web devel, but I have used it for a few other projects.
18:40<nviror>mwalling, Docs are available for both. I want to choose one.
18:41<Parallax>I wish there was something like Ksplice for Windows :|
18:41<Parallax>being able to install updates without rebooting is pretty great
18:42<jtsage>huh, reading this intro, i'd go django - but that is based solely on the fact that i've never used it, and I have done cakephp (which was pretty enjoyable)
18:43<mwalling>nviror: do the tutorial
18:45<Parallax>I want to learn a programming language myself, Python looks interesting
18:46<Parallax>good book?
18:46<mwalling>ever heard of zed shaw?
18:47<mwalling>ever heard of mongrel?
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18:48<Parallax>heard of it, no idea what it is
18:48<mwalling>he wrote it.
18:48<mwalling>anyway, yes, good book
18:48<Parallax>ah, cool
18:48<Parallax>grabbing now
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18:51<Parallax>mwalling: is there anything like that for PHP?
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18:51<mwalling>idk, i hate php
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19:02<bob2>nviror: python python python
19:04<nviror>bob2, finally i decided to go with Python first and would create sites using Django. I found it better then rails and php.
19:05<kedarm>nviror: What are your pain points with Rails?
19:05<bob2>python python python
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19:11<mwalling>rails sucks, just like php
19:11<gadams>and urmom
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19:14<@Perihelion>mwalling sucks
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19:17<linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
19:18<@jed>urmom sucks
19:20<@jed>my wife is watching to wong foo thanks for everything
19:20*jed starts minecraft
19:20<mwalling>where you playing?
19:21*mwalling desires to grief you
19:21<@jed>had nowhere in mind
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19:24<Jippi>Is it just me seing package drops to london dc?
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19:25<JshWright>Jippi: like... out of an airplane?
19:25<Jippi>:p no, on the network
19:25<JshWright>oh, _packets_
19:25<JshWright>Jippi: where are you seeing the loss?
19:26<marius>Jippi: No I've been seeing massive lost the last few days but all mtr's die off at the Global Exchange
19:27<marius>So it's never been an issue at the actual linode location, but way before that (for me at least)
19:27<Jippi>looks like things normalized now
19:27<@jed>Jippi: better?
19:27<@jed>interactive IRC, jack, wave of the future, huh?
19:28<Jippi>my zabbix began spamming me with both WAN and LAN connectivity problems.. and did see packet drops on both wan and lan between my servers
19:28<Jippi>has 2000+ ms lag to the servers from here :)
19:28<JshWright>Jippi: right, but where along the path was the loss occuring?
19:29<Jippi>JshWright: No idea, it also happend on the local ips, I fixed itself before I could get to any serious tracking of the origin
19:33<Jippi>aaand back to bed! :D
19:33<AviMarcus>london seems fine for me
19:34<Jippi>it does now yes
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19:37<d>is there still a issue in dallas?
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19:37<@jed>wasn't aware of one at all
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19:37<Guest2591>dallas 178
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19:38<@jed>Guest2591: nothing reported, no
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19:47<marius>What's the regex expression for "may or may not contain"
19:47<marius>(Making rewrite rules xD)
19:47<bd_>marius: ?
19:47<bob2>'' seems to be as effective
19:48<bd_>{0,1} also works
19:48<bob2>but maybe you mean "0 or more occurences", *
19:48<marius>well, I basically want to say "may or may not have a trailing /"
19:48<marius>since people are a dumb and often add /'s to the end of URL's for some reason
19:48<bd_>so, /?
19:49<bob2>perhaps that reason is because you don't redirct to the canonical one
19:49<bd_>but yes, canonical redirects are best
19:49<marius>you lost me I'm afraid
19:50<bob2>instead of complaining about people, you should be issuing 301 permanent redirects from the wrong one to the right one
19:50<bob2>so search engines get the right one
19:50<bob2>so people bookmark the right one
19:51<marius>I guess I could put in a wild rule at the end if nothing matches go to the URL without the trailing / in a 301?
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19:53<atan>Hmm... just picked up a small 512 vps but the panel says 'Transfer/mo: 25 GB' over to the right.
19:53<atan>I thought it was 200GB/out/mo?
19:53*atan didn't touch anything, he swears!
19:53<bd_>atan: It's prorated, and we're very close to the end of the month
19:53<retro|blah>atan: Yes. Transfer quotas are measured out for the remainder of the month if you sign up mid-month
19:53<bd_>it'll reset to 200GB on the 1st
19:53<atan>That would make perfect sense.
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19:56<atan>Hmm... how much are backups? Based on the price of your linode?
19:56<JshWright>25% of the plan cost
19:57<atan>Wow. So on the $20 plan it's $5 and it'll snag a nightly copy for me? :D
19:57<atan>Is there any way to find your way into the nightly copy?
19:57<atan>Like, to grab 1 or 2 files someone (not me!) might have totally fubar'd?
19:58<JshWright>no, but you can restore it to a new node, get the file you want, and then delete the node
19:58<JshWright>you'd pay the $20 up front, but when you delete the node, a prorated credit would be applied to your account
19:59<atan>But at the same time if the backed up node has items which auto-run, say a cron to apply payments nightly or something... and someone made some sloppy code... it would still boot up just like the old one right? :S
19:59<marius>atan: indeed
19:59<marius>Unless you set static networking
20:00<JshWright>just boot it with finnix
20:00<marius>in which case a new node would not get on your other nodes IP
20:00<marius>and would thus fail to come online and you'd jsut lish into it
20:00<marius>or what JshWright suggested
20:00<atan>So it grabs a nightly, 2-7, and 8-14 backup. Does this take place at 00:00?
20:01<atan>00:00GMT/UTC even
20:01<atan>I suppose for $5 I could order it and see what happens :D :-)
20:02<atan>But there's no way from the host machine someone could trash this backup?
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20:08<atan>Now if one already has a domain setup for nameservers is there any reason they couldn't point ns1.domain over to ns1.linode(ip)? To save updating every domain
20:09<atan>Since it would be the IP I don't suppose it would require any additional lookups for a cname =\ but I'm not a bind guru
20:11<marius>ahahaha, the irony, I was googling ot get an overview of the [R] [L] etc
20:11<marius>and there's a section in the apache documentation about the trailing slash problem
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20:15<bob2>atan: all un and games until linode changes the ips of the nameservers
20:15<bob2>and then you're fucked
20:15<bob2>so please just use NS records pointing at ns[12345]
20:16<atan>I would assume they might mention IP changes in a blog post or something, no?
20:16<atan>Well crub.
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20:19<mwalling>we dont know that they will or wont
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20:20<mwalling>but they discourage referring to the ip
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20:20<bob2>what I meant to say is "they have changed it at least once in the past and discourage it"
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20:30<JshWright>caker: 2.6.39 + ufw = broken IPv4 (for me, at least, on a couple different nodes)
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20:35<ddd>178 i mean
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20:41<@caker>JshWright: meaning ufw can't deal with something and fails to do the needful?
20:42<JshWright>caker: it breaks outbound connections
20:42<@caker>or any other detail? It just flat out fails and breaks ipv4?
20:43<JshWright>I didn't spend a whole lot of time troubleshooting it, since reverting to 2.6.38 fixed it
20:43<@caker>and by breaks I mean doesn't insert correct rules, or something?
20:43<JshWright>IPv6 worked fine, inbound connections worked fine, established connections worked fine
20:43<JshWright>I simply couldn't make any outbound IPv6 connections (of any kind, not even icmp)
20:44<JshWright>happened on two different nodes
20:44<arby>what's a typical execution time for a linode-backup of a linode768? in abt a week, my exec times have steadily climbed from ~ 34 minutes to, @current, in excess of 1hr20mins. just trying to get a handle on what's chang-ed/ing.
20:44<tyler>mine only take a few mins
20:44<tyler>but im not using all of my space
20:45<@caker>arby: lots of session files not being cleared, or something?
20:45<@caker>lots of changed files? Changed big files?
20:46<arby>caker: not smart enuf abt it yet to know ... just noticed, and started investigating. entirely possible, as i've been mucking about with more robust backup schmes, version control, etc.
20:46<@caker>arby: if you issue a snapshot, watch the job queue and see how long it's in "scanning for new/changed files" mode (It'll have that in the job line in the queue) .. then it'll switch to "Uploading files n/n" and give you a countdown
20:47<@caker>so yeah - two phases - one is scan the fs for changes, and second is to push them to the backend ... might be helpful to see how long each phase is taking.
20:47<arby>of course, last one *just* finished ... "Entered: 1 hour 27 minutes ago - Took: 1 hour, 25 minutes, 51 seconds "
20:47<marius>big log files are big
20:48<arby>i'm looking to learn two things ... (1) is there a problem (that i've caused)?, and (2) for what period of time @snapshot exec is the linode unusable, if at all?
20:48<arby>caker a bit later, i'll rerun and pay attention per your suggestion
20:49<marius>arby: Your node is fully functional throughout the entire process
20:49<marius>Unless you broke something on it of course
20:49<@caker>snapshotting doesn't affect the functioning of your Linode
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20:50<arby>marius: so it really is 'instant' snapshot, then time-taken to backup the snapshot, while the linode ticks away?
20:51<arby>thx -- learned a bit. and know what to look/watch for. back to oprah reruns. l8r.
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20:53<asciant>I have created an A record in the DNS manager for a subdomain. I have configured apache correctly in httpd.conf, although my subdomain doesn't resolve. Any ideas? returns the correct IP for the A record I have created (ip for my linode).
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20:53<JshWright>asciant: what's the domain name in question?
20:53<marius>asciant: You may have tried accessing the dubdomain before the quarter of the hour had passed (which is when the zone is rebuild), in which case it'll be cached as non-existant to you locally
20:54<asciant>marius: yes, I did that. So I should clear my cache locally and I will be on my way.
20:54<marius>unless your ISP does fun caching as well
20:54<JshWright>asciant: maybe... it would be much easier to help if we know the domain
20:54<marius>in which case you'll have a bit of waiting ahead of you until they clear theirs as well
20:55<@caker>/etc/hosts on your local computer.
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21:18<torrancew>hi all, I was wondering if anyone knew of a reason the StackScript Bash Library wasn't tagged as compatible with Debian 6?
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21:20<atan>Anyone here using the Android application called 'Linoid Android'?
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21:21<atan>I'm not sure if it's broken or what but it will not let me login with it. I see it's not published by Linode so I'm not expecting any form of support, but it would be sad to see someone pushing it just to snap up passwords. :(
21:21<mwalling>oh that thing
21:21<mwalling>did he open source it like he promised almost a year ago?
21:22<dominikh>heh. random guy doing random closed source application that expects you to enter rather important passwords...
21:22*jtsage got it to install, sort of run, and mostly work (login at least) about 2 months ago. had to use an API key, password login was a no-go
21:22<dominikh>gotta love it
21:23<mwalling>dominikh: what really grinds my gears is he used the package
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21:24<atan>I don't suppose anyone has something rigged up to monitor loads via their phone?
21:25<atan>Almost like top I suppose, pretty graphs are just a bonus
21:25<jtsage>atan- just munin here, which goes ape-shit on the e-mails whenever anything is wrong.
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21:28*mwalling has nagios and wasitup
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21:49<@caker>torrancew: fixed
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22:00<torrancew>caker: thanks!
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22:04<mohan_>hi, i started getting alerts related to "Linode Alert - CPU Usage" recently. it says 400% cpu usage. Recently i installed munin on this machine. how to see which is causing the problem?
22:04<bob2>run top
22:05<mohan_>bob2: i can see there are may "/usr/bin/perl /usr/share/munin/munin-limits" processes are running.
22:05<mohan_>mwalling: no htop available on my machine.
22:05<bob2>but the thing to look at is what is using lots of cpu
22:05<mohan_>bob2: how to check that/
22:06<bob2>by reading what top says
22:06<bob2>likely it'll be obvious from the top 5 lines of proccesses
22:06<mohan_>bob2: as my linode is not rechable at all i did a hard reboot from linode dashboard.
22:06<bob2>that's a bad idea
22:07<bob2>is it safe to assume you're using some php cms and apache?
22:07<mohan_>bob2: i am using apache with mod_perl
22:07<@jed>the many munin-limits is interesting
22:07<mohan_>jed: i thought like munin is eating of lot of cpu, so i want to disable it.
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22:08<bob2>mohan_: what did you set MaxClients to?
22:08<mohan_>jed: but i cant find any crontab installed for munin even.
22:08<@caker>JshWright: fixed: .. also, array is awesome.
22:08<mohan_>bob2: its 150
22:09<bob2>mohan_: do you have a 4GB of ram?
22:09<mohan_>bob2: i didnt change it from defaults.
22:09<bob2>mohan_: the default is almsot certainly stupid
22:09<mohan_>bob2: its 512 MB i think
22:09<bob2>mohan_: 150 is way way too high, try setting it to about 10
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22:10<mohan_>bob2: ok. but what does it signify.
22:10<bob2>how many clients apache will deal with at one time
22:11<mohan_>bob2: think linode is running almost from 8 months, but i started getting these alerts after munin installation only around from last 1 month
22:11<bob2>it may be causing problems, but 150 is absurdly high
22:11<bob2>unless mod_perl uses a worker pool or something
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22:12<checkers>$ ping6
22:12<checkers>PING 56 data bytes
22:12<checkers>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=52 time=72.7 ms
22:13<bob2>is www. any closer?
22:13<checkers>about 3ms
22:13<mohan_>bob2: should i change MaxClients from 150 to 10 for mpm_prefork_module or mpm_worker_module or both?
22:14<bob2>whichever you're using
22:14<bob2>both is fine if you're not sure
22:14<mohan_>bob2: how to know which module my apache is using?
22:15<mohan_>bob2: in my apache both are enabled.
22:15<bob2>/var/log/apache2/error.log should say, too
22:15<mohan_>bob2: i change MaxClients to 10 for both modules.
22:16<checkers>wait, are lindoe allocating /64s by default now?
22:16<checkers>my publicIP is listed as "2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe96:6d8b/64"
22:17<bob2>you are in that /64
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22:20<asciant>Has anyone had any experience tunnelling mySQL workbench with SSH?
22:21<bob2>I think I helped a coworker do that
22:21<bob2>some clicky windows mysql thing anyway
22:21<@jed>checkers: that's a netmask
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22:21<bob2>putty, tunnels, forward a localport (say 3306) to localhost:3306 on remote end
22:22<@jed>asciant: from what platform?
22:22<asciant>Yeah, I have the actual tunnell setup, its mysql workbench that seems to be asking for a local service / conf file for mysql. :(
22:22<asciant>it connects wonderfully apart from that.
22:23<checkers>ok, now all I need to do is buy a home adsl model that supports ipv6 and I have a native stack
22:23<mohan_>bob2: how to disable munin on my box?
22:23<bob2>your isp has pppv6 already? neat
22:23<bob2>mohan_: sudo apt-get remove munin
22:24<JshWright>caker: thanks, I'll give it a whirl tomorrow
22:24<mohan_>bob2: if i just want to stop cronjob which is forking many processes.
22:25<techhelper1>caker: do i have to submit a ticket for ipv6?
22:25<@Praefectus>techhelper1: yes
22:25<mohan_>bob2: when i did "crontab -u munin -l" it doesnt show anything
22:25<techhelper1>annoying but fine...
22:25<bob2>mohan_: why do you think cron is related?
22:25<bob2>how is it annoying
22:26<bob2>enabling by default would be nuts
22:26<bob2>and tickets are answered more quickly than I can login to the AWS console
22:26<checkers>< mohan_> bob2: when i did "crontab -u munin -l" it doesnt show anything <-- try cat /et/cron.d/munin
22:26<mohan_>bob2: as "/usr/share/munin/munin-limits" processes started accumulating as time passes, i was thinking like cron job is startingthose processes.
22:27<@jed>techhelper1: for now
22:27<@jed>being the important phraseology there
22:28<bob2>mohan_: ps auxf
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22:32<techhelper1>the email says i got a /128
22:32<techhelper1>but ifconfig says /64
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22:32<techhelper1>which is correct
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22:33<@jed>the /64 is a netmask
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22:33<bob2>it's the same way that your ipv4 address is in a /24
22:34<@jed>or a /17
22:34<@Praefectus>techhelper1: you got one ipv6 address, if you want a pool of 4096, just reply to the ticket n say "gimme pool nao"
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22:35<techhelper1>1 linode needs 1 ip
22:35*jtsage lucked into d00d in the pool. woot.
22:35<bob2>techhelper1: no wayz
22:43<Aka>How can I write a a rewrite rule in Apache that says redirect from this URL to the new URL... but if robots.txt is requested serve that file instead.
22:46<mohan_>hi, to send mails with "mail -s subject" which ubuntu package i have to install?
22:46<atan>Add a RewriteCond to look for the robots.txt
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22:53<Aka>I'm not sure how to do that, if robots.txt is requested... server robots.txt? "RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !^/robots.txt$ ... RewriteRule /robots.txt [L] ?
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22:55<atan>Aka, can you pastebin your current rewrite rules?
22:56<Aka>Just simple.
23:01<Aka>Ah that seems so simple
23:01<Aka>Thank you atan
23:03<atan>You're very welcome
23:04<Aka>Realized after I forwarded that The Wayback machine no longer blocked access to previous version of my site from the old domain. I guess not following the 301 redirect and reading the new robots.txt which disallowed it as well.
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23:12<purrdeta>how would I force everyone logging in to PhpMyAdmin or my webmail to use SSL?\
23:12<bob2>only serve them via https
23:12<bob2>via http on the same hostname, jsut serve redirects to the equivalenrt https page
23:13<purrdeta>hmm good point. Was gonna do some rewrite rule
23:14<Defenestrator>to go from http to https, you'll need a redirect rather than a rewrite
23:16<purrdeta>*shrug* see, I'm dumb
23:16<Aka>WOw, the wayback machine is quick, blocked it and boom, it no longer displays there. I thought it'd take it like 60-90 days or something to eventually recrawl then block itself.
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23:27<atan>Praefectus: I love you (linode) right now.
23:27<atan><2ms pings, what more could I ask for?
23:29<mtwilliams>Do any of you know of a good place to find hackers that would contribute articles about hardware and/or software more specifically, about closed hardware?
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23:30<mtwilliams>I need people who want to share knowledge about platforms and make them open.
23:30<@Praefectus>mtwilliams: wrong channel
23:31*praetorian hugs bob2
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23:31<bob2>be still my beating heart
23:31*praetorian *
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23:43<linbot>New news from forums: httpd fails to start, no other errors in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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23:50<jpg>Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why I have to reboot my node to pick up the new IPv6 address?
23:50<jpg>Presumably something with adding a new device/interface to the virtualized hardware?
23:51<@Praefectus>jpg: because we said so.
23:52<jpg>Odd, that doesn't appear to be in the manpage for ipv6
23:52<jpg>also, there's a manpage for ipv6 :o
23:52<mwalling>jpg: because thats how linode's networking has always worked
23:53<jpg>I don't have a problem rebooting for it, just struck me as odd. Was looking more for a technical reason as to why, but if nobody knows/it's a sekrit, that's cool too
23:53<HoopyCat>note that, on the post-IPv6 reboot, the MAC address changes from one that is coupled to your IPv4 address to one that is not
23:54<HoopyCat>but in general, network configuration (e.g. which IPs your node gets) is only set on boot. tweaking it on the fly probably isn't worth the danger.
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23:55<jpg>good enough
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