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00:01*linbot dispenses a sixpack
00:01<praetorian>you've redeemed yourself
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00:07<Ron_>to trial isnt too bad
00:08<bob2>7 day money back guarantee, too
00:08<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
00:08<@jed>sunroof at no additional charge
00:08<@jed>now available in mountain stream
00:09<@Praefectus>Ron_: you'll have to get a cPanel license from somewhere else as we don't sell them (if you wanna stick with cPanel)
00:09<checkers>Might want to mention the per-day billing increments
00:09<bob2>why can't you bill per second!11111
00:09<Ron_>whats a cpanel license worth?
00:09<Ron_>dont worry Ill find that out
00:09<Ron_>heres my scenario
00:09<@Praefectus>usually a vps license is $15
00:09<@Praefectus>normal goin rate anyway
00:10<robbie`>too much imo
00:10<@zomg>You can get em for $10 from some people I think
00:10<robbie`>one time cost?
00:11<Ron_>Say I get it all setup and working, running cpanel, and everything is working fine from my perspective. Is there some allmighty wizard I can ask 'Can you please look over my setup and make sure I'm not completely open to attack'?
00:11<checkers>not one who is obliged to help
00:11<checkers>this channel will help if it's feeling nice
00:11<checkers>(and/or people are awake)
00:12<Ron_>What about paid help though
00:12<checkers>I bet some people in here would do it
00:12<checkers>there are plenty of victorians who would do it for money too
00:12<bob2>Jolly good
00:13<Ron_>I just spend so much time presently stuffing about with my vps trying to figure things out and staring and endless docs and wikis, when I'd much rather be working on a site
00:13<purrdeta>nyancat ringtone. Yes plz.
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00:13<robbie`>i can't find whm/cpanel licenses for that cheap :\
00:14<robbie`>$200 each yearly from but that comes with installation and all
00:15<@Praefectus>because the usual going rate for external cPanel vps licenses to vendors is around $10 or $11 per month
00:15<@Praefectus>the ones that get it cheaper will still mark them up, but not to $10
00:16<robbie`>anyone know a reputable vendor?
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00:17<@Praefectus>reputable as in? theyll make sure your license is valid or they have good support on top of that?
00:18<robbie`>i'm not a fan of cpanel but i can see how it might make my life easier working with others. support wouldn't matter much, just a valid, cheap license
00:18<@Praefectus> will be good with keeping your license valid, but their support is poor at best
00:18<SleePy>There are alternatives to cpanel :) ISPConfig for instance
00:19<Excalibur>Praefectus: and their sales too!
00:19<robbie`>SleePy: any FREE alternatives to cpanel? i'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to develop a simple webhost platform that creates some apache virtualhost and sftp-only users, but cpanel has waaay more than that built in
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00:20<SleePy>Have you looked at it?
00:20<robbie`>its been a while, not a big fan.
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00:21<SleePy>cPanel ? DirectAdmin ? Domain Technologie Control ? H-Sphere ? GNUPanel ? SysCP ? Froxlor ? InterWorx ? ISPConfig ? ispCP ? Kloxo ? Plesk ? Usermin ? Webmin
00:21<SleePy>Pulled from wiki :) There are other options you could look into.
00:21<robbie`>of those i've only seen webmin uesrmin cpanel and plesk
00:22<Excalibur>cPanel is pretty sophisticated actually, not sure why people hate it
00:22<Excalibur>been using it for quite a few years
00:22<robbie`>Excalibur: do you run whm/cpanel on a linode?
00:22<@Praefectus>Excalibur: you the same Excalibur from cpanels irc?
00:22<Excalibur>Praefectus: on EFNet? Yessir
00:22<@Praefectus>from Egypt?
00:22<Excalibur>robbie`: I did run cPanel/WHM on a linode, it ran like a dream
00:23<Excalibur>Praefectus: I'm Egytpian by origin, yes
00:23<@Praefectus>UI developer right?
00:23<Excalibur>I'm a web designer, yep
00:23<@Praefectus>rnowak: nope, he knows me from the cpanel irc when i worked there LOL
00:23<Excalibur>Praefectus: I moved to the U.S. in 2010
00:23<rnowak>that's what they all say
00:24<@Praefectus>really? ya, last time i talked to you was probly right before i left cpanel in 09
00:24<Excalibur>Praefectus: Are you C.C?
00:24<robbie`>Excalibur: it'd be nice to be able to add webhosting as a service
00:24<Excalibur>geez man, how long has it been? A year?
00:24<Excalibur>I got married too! lol
00:24<Excalibur>robbie` : not sure I understand :/
00:24<robbie`>Excalibur: selling webhosting
00:25<Excalibur>Praefectus: Where do you live now?
00:25<Excalibur>robbie`: I don't see why you can't sell webhosting off a linode
00:25<@Praefectus>galloway, nj
00:25<Excalibur>Praefectus: I'm DYING here in Florida
00:25<Excalibur>The heat... aah....
00:25<Excalibur>I'm living inside the AC
00:25<@Praefectus>lol you should be used to it man
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00:32<Excalibur>no way
00:32<Excalibur>it's 5 times the heat and humidity here man
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00:34<@Praefectus>probly jus feels that way cuz egypt is more dry heat?
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00:40<Excalibur>yay me making popcorn for the kids
00:40<Excalibur>1am popcorn :S
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00:42<Jerub>Excalibur: why are your children awake at am?
00:43<Excalibur>my kid and her friend
00:43<Excalibur>well, tomorrow is off so...
00:43<Excalibur>we just let them be for once night, heh
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00:46<Ron_>With a cpanel license, is it one license per whm/unlimted cpanel accounts, or one license per cpanel account?
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00:47<@Praefectus>one license per server
00:47<@Praefectus>you arent limited as to how many accounts you can create on that server'
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00:49<Ron_>the vps optimized2 license on is $200/year, is that what I would need using a linode?
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00:50<siebo>Hi, I just upgraded one of my slices from the 2048 plan to the 4G plan to get more disk space.
00:50<siebo>when I restarted, my disk is still showing 64G instead of 128G
00:50<siebo>it looks like I have to restart
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00:51<siebo>my question is, is it safe to do this from the web panel?
00:51<Craighton>siebo you need to go into the disk management and add the space
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00:51<Jerub>slices? you mean a linode?
00:51<siebo>is there any risk of data loss?
00:51<@zomg>Yeah, resize the disk image and reboot through the panel
00:51<siebo>Jerub: oops, yes linodes ;)
00:51<Craighton>yea what zomg said
00:52<siebo>ok, thanks :)
00:52<bob2>you should always have ackups
00:52<MarkJ_>I use CPanel with two different VPS providers here in Oz, CPanel VPS Optimized works rather well for the purpose. None of my linodes have control panels though, but would recommend 768mb+ for CPanel
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00:53<Ron_>yeh looking at 1024
00:53<bob2>how does cpanel consume any resources when you're not interating in it?
00:55<@zomg>iirc there are some monitoring/logging things that keep running
00:55<@zomg>I know mine used to spike at regular intervals
00:55<siebo>If I enable backups, when are the backups run? and how do I know the backup is finished running?
00:56<robbie`>bob2: cron? :P
00:56<siebo>I'm thinking I want to make a backup of my linode before I do the resize
00:56<bob2>robbie`: so?
00:56<bob2>siebo: you can trigger one if you want
00:56<bob2>assuming you paid for the backup service
00:56<robbie`>i think you cound run cpanel/whm fine on a 512
00:57<siebo>bob2: ok, cool, just signed up and making a snapshot now...
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00:57<MarkJ_>robbie`: yes, at an absolute minimum. If you're running a few sites it won't be long before you need to upgrade to 768 anyway
00:58<MarkJ_>CPanel is somewhat resource hungry
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01:05<purrdeta>I need a gallery program to run on my linode. Does everyone agree that "Gallery" is the best or are there other suggestions that I should investigate?!
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01:07<encode>I use Gallery, but I haven't really used any other, so I can't really recommend it over any other solution
01:08<purrdeta>I've also only used Gallery so I just wanted thoughts
01:10<purrdeta>eh I'll just do that
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01:17<encode>i haven't used G3 either, since it doesn't have integration with drupal yet afaik
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01:18<Jerub>purrdeta: i'm a fan of outsourcing my photo gallery work to other people's servers :)
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02:08<Jippi>Morning guys
02:09<Jippi>Anyone have seen "bash -c /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server" using 100% cpu and never actually letting users connect on the sftp subsystem ?
02:09<Jippi>I have it on both my puppet servers (all my other servers works as expected)
02:09<Jippi>its just goes in to 100% cpu and stops doing anything
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02:12<marius>check your syslog ?
02:12<marius>or your sftp-server log
02:12<Jippi>nothing there :) checked all log files
02:13<marius>also, why are you starting it up like that, I thought it was built in ot openssh to begin with without having to start a secondary daemon
02:13*Jippi Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server
02:13<Jippi>quite stock setting
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02:15<Jippi>hmm, okay, its a bash setting somewhere that makes it choke
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02:23<Jippi>staced it and removing root's .bash* files, and it worked
02:23<Jippi>funny stuff
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02:28<echoline>Jippi: maybe the bash stuff wasn't checking if the shell was interactive
02:28<Jippi>might be yeah, need to find out how to do that :)
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02:35<echoline>:) np
02:36<echoline>brb shower
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02:46<shai>yayayay :) 5/30/2011 9:14 am Arrived at DHL facility. Haifa, Israel
02:46<shai>my presents to myself
03:10<vsmatck>Those are the best kind. When other people buy me things I generally pretent to like them to satisfy social customs. Then I ebay them, or throw them away if I can't sell them.
03:11<vsmatck>This debian start-stop-daemon stuff is vexing. I think I'm going to not use it.
03:15<vsmatck>I'm probably just incompetent. I'm workin on that.
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03:30<checkers>I pretend to be aspergers on the internet too, let's be friends
03:30<monish001>Slicehost VS Linode: Slicehost charge more than linode with less resources. I wonder what they charging extra for?
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03:31<monish001>Slicehost VS Linode: Slicehost provide less resources and charge more than linode. I wonder what they charging extra for?
03:31<checkers>monish001: probably more expensive to run their business
03:31<bob2>also they're being replaced
03:31<bob2>so that's not a useful thing to compare against
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03:33<monish001>Slicehost is there for around 6-10 months as they mention somewhere n after they move to cloud.
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03:34<monish001>being acquired by rackspace
03:35<bob2>they were acquired ages ago
03:35<bob2>so linode vs RSC is a more interesting comparison
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03:38<monish001>Thanks for reply bob2. I am gonna go for either linode or slicehost. So RSC is out of comparison in my case. I wonder what slicehost charging extra for?
03:39<Internat>so not linodish related question.. whats the prefered message to keep track of all commands and argments executed on a system
03:39<dcbrit2003>Hi all
03:40<bob2>monish001: thanks for ignoring it
03:40<bob2>Internat: do the other people have root?
03:40<vraa>monish001, i have a slicehost and a linode (the cheapest of each offering) and linode is much better
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03:40<vraa>when my subscription is up, i am not renewing my slicehost account
03:40<Internat>im not so worried about them disabling whatever i setup
03:40<bob2>Internat: you have lost, have a nice day
03:41<dcbrit2003>monish001: Why is linode much better than slicehost?
03:41<bob2>Internat: what goal are you trying to achieve?
03:41<Internat>yes thank you for your assistance, please pass your advise onto my general manager :P
03:41<Internat>we have a user.. who is somewhat special
03:41<Internat>and yes, my belief is that he should not ever ever ever EVER have root
03:41<bob2>dcbrit2003: better value, more extras, a nicer owner
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03:41<bob2>dcbrit2003: keeps things like kernels up to date
03:42<Internat>and wierd things keep happening to the server, files change ownerships and what not.. now were rpetty sure its him, but we have no audit trail
03:42<dcbrit2003>bob2: a nicer owner?
03:42<Internat>obvviously sudo logs show him changing to root shell, but not what is exectured. especially if the session was killed and *_history isnt saved etc
03:42<bob2>dcbrit2003: caker hugs all new users
03:42<bob2>dcbrit2003: oh, also slicehost has no future
03:42<dcbrit2003>bob2: How many customers does linode have? I've only recently come across linode and am looking at hosting a couple of VPss with them or Webbynode
03:43<bob2>dcbrit2003: lots
03:43<dcbrit2003>bob2: lol, cake!
03:43<dcbrit2003>bob2: How long has linode been around?
03:44<bob2>dcbrit2003: 7 years
03:44<bob2>wait, almost 8
03:45<dcbrit2003>bob2: nice1
03:45<dcbrit2003>bob2: any network or node downtime issues?
03:45<dcbrit2003>bob2: when was the last outage you experienced?
03:46<bob2>few weeks ago I think
03:46<bob2>all providers have downtime
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03:46<bob2>if you demand reliability, you need ha no matter who you pay
03:47<Internat>ive been with linode since 2004 or 2005, and i can count on one hand the number of outages ive had..
03:47<Internat>i also can count on a lot less fingers the number of outages that have been linodes fault..
03:47<dcbrit2003>bob2: yes, I appreciate that. how long was the downtime for?
03:47<monish001>bob2: so how frequest these downtime issues are?
03:48<dcbrit2003>Internat: cool, thanks for that info
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03:49<bob2>dcbrit2003: no idea
03:49<bob2>monish001: no idea
03:49<bob2>as above
03:50<monish001>Thanks bob2 for discussing it.
03:51<knalf>Hi guys. I tried to change name server for my domain to Is there a way to verify what the athoritative name server for a domain is?
03:54<dcbrit2003>bob2: so, why does slicehost have no future? they get bought out or something?
03:55<rainman>the product is cancelled
03:55<rainman>existing customers will be migrated into rackspace cloud
03:55<dcbrit2003>raiman: ah
03:55<hawk>knalf: "dig +trace" would be a good starting point
03:55<shai>knalf, if you have bind/dig command installed try: dig ns
03:56<dcbrit2003>do you guys have plans to roll out Centos 6 when i gets released next month?
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03:56<shai>hawk was faster :)
03:58<hawk>dcbrit2003: I would suppose there will be an image for that, or is the question if it will be there _when it gets released_? If you need it like immediately you may have to deploy that yourself
03:58<linbot>New news from wiki: User:KeithH <>
03:58<knalf>hawk: thanks. It gave me the old dns server with a TTL of 24 hours. I suppose I just have to wait then?
03:58<dcbrit2003>hawk: sometime next month would be great
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04:01<Keith>Hi folks. I was trying to have an email confirmation on the Linode wiki sent to me sicne i just setup a new Linode account. But the wiki refuses to send an eamil, and I did insure that my valid real existing address is validly typed into the wiki "Email -address feeled" under prefferences.
04:02<Keith>Does anyone have any ideas what's going on? And unlike the wiki suggests no odd characters were typed.
04:02<Keith>It's a GMail addres if that helps, though I've never heard of anything having issues with sending me email to that account as Linode staff and such have reched me without an issue.
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04:05<hawk>knalf: If the parent zone authoritative servers are still serving the old data I would be somewhat worried that what I did hasn't worked. Or how long ago did you make the change?
04:08<knalf>hawk: bout 12 hours ago. I did receive a mail from them confirming the change tho.
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04:15<wunki>could someone recommend a datacenter on Linode with the best connection to a Amazon east region server?
04:15<Keith>I'm not sure. Linode has datacenters in NJ, Dalass tx, and a few other areas taht I know are in the East coast in general.
04:15<dcbrit2003>do any of you guys host VPss at the London datacenrre? Have you had any issues? I am in the UK so I am thinking of hosting my VPSs there
04:16<wunki>yeah, I would love trying them all out, but can't find anywhere if it's possible to transfer Linodes across hosts..
04:16<Keith>Wunki: The best advice I could give you would be to try one of the ones I pointed out first and see if you could connect successfully to Amazon or something.
04:16<shai>for me so far so good...
04:17<shai>in london
04:17<wunki>dcbrit2003: no issues at all for me, in London since the beginning.
04:18<dcbrit2003>cool, thanks
04:18<Keith>Other than that, I'm really not sure, as I don't use Amazon myslef. Just thought I'd step in and try to help for a sec or so. :)
04:18<wunki>would it be possible to switch hosts with a Linode?
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04:27<wunki>Praefectus: how? Through a ticket?
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04:28<@Praefectus>yes, you wanted to switch datacenter or move to another host in the same dc?
04:28<wunki>no, I want to find the best datacenter (ms) which connects to my Amazon RDS in us-east region
04:29<marius>run a speedtest ?
04:29<@Praefectus>youll probly wanna figure that out before you request a move-
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04:30<wunki>ah, I didn't know that was there..
04:30<wunki>let's spin up a box then :)
04:31<@Praefectus>no problemo
04:31<Niyas>Hi I want to view my application log in Linode..
04:31<Niyas>Is ther any way for that..
04:32<@Praefectus>if your application writes to a log, sure, but that would be dependant on your app, not linode
04:33<Niyas>ok Thanks..
04:33<hawk>knalf: The parent zone should normally be updated relatively quickly (for most registries anyway), and after that the only cause for delay is that the data may be cached (where the TTL of the old data vs the point in time that the caching server got the response comes into play)
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04:40<rtconner>Hey I just signed up and I am confused about something... I bought a plan with 1600GB per month:
04:40<rtconner>but once I'm in I have a 154 GB quota?
04:40<rtconner>I don't get what is going ont
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04:44<amitz>1/30 * 1600gb for now.
04:45<rtconner>sry amitz my web browser messed up can you repeat
04:45<amitz>quota reset on end of month.
04:45<amitz>driving, other may help explaining.
04:45<amitz>1/30 * 1600gb for now.
04:46<amitz>quota reset on end of month.
04:46<rtconner>oh so the month will end tomorrow? ok phew I thought I was just starting the month since my plan just started
04:46<@heckman>rtconner: Our billing system works on the basis of proration. When signing up on or after the 20th you are invoiced for the rest of this month + the following month.
04:47<@heckman>rtconner: Because you only paid a prorated amount for May, you received a prorated amonunt of transfer. amitz was correct, it'll reset on the first of June!. :)
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04:49<rtconner>ok good. for a minute i thought : hmm i guess they didn't label this specifically "per month" on the choices.. maybe it's 1600 per year?
04:50<@heckman>Haha, sorry about the confusion
04:52<@Praefectus>rtconner: negative.. 1600/10years
04:52<@Praefectus>160/yr, 13.3 GB per month
04:52<@heckman>Hahaha, I wouldn't exceed that.
04:52<rtconner>dang gotta convert all my images to ASCII
04:53<@Praefectus>and gzip em!
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04:57<bob2>dcbrit2003: they were bought out long ago, and the company's products are being discontinue
04:59<@heckman>bob2: trying to keep the convo alive? :X
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05:03<bob2>heckman: oh, from my away log
05:03<bob2>shoulda scrolled up
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05:55<wjwoodward>Is it possible in the Linode DNS manager to change the Primary DNS for a domain from to My server is in CA and I thought it would be beneficial to use the CA DNS.
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06:35<bob2>wjwoodward: it would not
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06:37<@heckman>I don't believe it goes in sequential order anyhow. I *believe* it picks at random from the listed authoritative name servers.
06:37*heckman could be wrong, however
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06:40<marius>For nameservers it will pick them in order form top to bottom
06:40<marius>I think the order is determined by what was added first.
06:41<@heckman>When I check with dig it randomizes
06:41<@heckman>Maybe that's just dig
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06:48<marius>oh, I could be mistaken, but I always thought it would start with the primary NS, then follow onwards to secondary etc
06:48<marius>I know when you register a new domain, what you provide as primary and secondary nameservers is crucial at least
06:49<bob2>registrars are mostly stupid/liars
06:54<wjwoodward>I listed my name servers with my domain registrar with CA first
06:55<bob2>doesn't matter
06:55<wjwoodward>Is it possible to change the Primary DNS in the Linode DNS manager though. It would make sense if it is randomised and therefore you can't as @heckman thinks
06:55<wjwoodward>Thanks bob2
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06:58<lx6g>anyone using deprecated Google API's?
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07:02<marius>That was an odd question
07:13<shai>yes is was
07:13<dominikh>That was an odd answer
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07:17<@Praefectus>marius: s/odd/offtopic/
07:19<@heckman>They could be using the API on a webapp on their Linode and are looking for input on how to update the code for the new API calls.
07:20*heckman shrugs
07:21<linbot>New news from forums: Different (multiple) domains, same IP in Linux Networking <>
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07:44<HoopyCat>marius: there are no such things as 'primary' and 'secondary' nameservers. when multiple records exist, they should be treated randomly
07:46<chesty>HoopyCat: tell that to microsoft, they order them based on which ip is the closest match to its ip
07:46<chesty>there's even an rfc about it
07:47<HoopyCat>that's essentially random, from the server's perspective ;-)
07:50*the|Navigator punches Google Reader
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07:51<praetorian>poor google reader :(
07:52<czr>you need a punched google reader to read punched papers
07:52<the|Navigator>praetorian: I know, sometimes it delivers me wonderful things [ ], but sometimes... it decides to move all my articles around and put them in multiple folders that I don't want them in. I know entropy increases with time, but why does it have to increase in my folders?
07:52<the|Navigator>(e.g. sometimes one RSS feed will suddenly be in 3 or 4 folders rather than the 1 I want it in)
07:53<the|Navigator>I assume it's one of the third party clients I use for iOS or my laptop that screw it up when they read the data.
07:54<praetorian>i think so
07:54<praetorian>ive never had any issues with the native google reader app
07:55<the|Navigator>On a side note, I laughed at today's XKCD.
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07:57*HoopyCat tests
07:57<HoopyCat>mine's working ok;
08:06<chesty>praetorian: urmom's famous
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08:20<HoopyCat>worst thing about the PBS hack: finding out your local station's password is the same as its username
08:21<hawk>HoopyCat: What a convenient policy
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08:27<Steve^>of the two zillion options for mysqldump, does any recommend any other than --single-transaction for backing up innodb tables?
08:30<HoopyCat>i usually do --single-transaction --master-data=1 --all-databases, and throw in a --add-drop-database if i'm planning to use the dump to start replication
08:31<HoopyCat>the --master-data=1 tells it to add a CHANGE MASTER TO referencing the point in the binlog where the dump was taken (so you can unfurl any changes since the dump was taken from there)
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08:33<praetorian>PBS hack?
08:35<Steve^>since some of my databases are myisam, I guess I'll need to use --lock-tables for those, rather than a simple --all-databases
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08:36<HoopyCat>Steve^: any particular reason they can't be migrated to innodb?
08:36<Steve^>HoopyCat, nope
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08:38<Steve^>I have 0 understanding of the master-data, even after reading the docs.. maybe I'll include it just in case
08:38<Steve^>the less interaction I have with the database, the better
08:43<Steve^>HoopyCat, does the dump protect itself from SQL injection? I'm not completely sure how Drupal will be storing user comments
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08:51<HoopyCat>Steve^: it does escape anything it would consider a delimiter. you generally don't have to worry about the output of mysqldump doing anything unpredictable going in to mysql
08:52<Steve^>good, then it seems to work rather well
08:52<HoopyCat>\"Teresa has an impressive track record of success across several disciplines and will be a tremendous asset to the USPTO,\" Locke said. \"Her leadership will be instrumental in the USPTO\'s efforts to foster economic growth and job creation by reducing the backlog of patent applications, enhancing patent and trademark quality, and becoming more efficient.\
08:52<HoopyCat>" <--- oops, forgot to copy the last char
08:54<atan>Anyone notice any posts on the forum with how-to guides for limiting CPU/memory/disk/disk io use per user so one person with a crazy busy website wouldn't bring the dox down?
08:54<atan>s/dox/box/ even
08:55<HoopyCat>i love my writers and editors and designers and artists and all of them, but god damn almighty, do they EVER know how to find edge cases in string handling.
08:56<HoopyCat>i say that because of how long it took to find a ' instead of a ’
08:58<HoopyCat>atan: 'ulimit' is a handy command for limiting some things; the quota architecture is good for limiting usage of storage. limiting bandwidth consumption and database usage are somewhat more interesting problems
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09:02<noor>I added ns$ to my domain nameserver settings... i'm getting a Network Error (dns_server_failure)
09:03<HoopyCat>what's the domain? and you mean ns1 through, right?
09:03<noor>whois is working
09:03<noor>pointing to your servers
09:04<HoopyCat>looks ok as far as i can tell (dig +trace
09:04<noor>when connecting using vpn it works
09:05<noor>our isp uses a proxy server
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09:07<HoopyCat>it's possible that they have old data cached (especially if you tried to resolve it before the .org and linode nameservers were fully updated)
09:07<akerl>noor: It looks like a problem between you and your isp
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09:09<noor>shall i try later then? is it a matter of time?
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09:09<HoopyCat>it can take up to ~24 hours, although this might be a good excuse to call up your ISP and complain about their proxy server :-)
09:10<Null_>A Matter of Time, S05E09
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09:13<noor>:D thanks a lot... I will call them... but i'm sure they wont respond as usual..
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09:21<atan>HoopyCat, yeah I figured I would run in to such issues.
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09:21<atan>HoopyCat, I think the two biggest problems I have are PHP + MySql. I don't want users going nuts with it, and if they are, I want to limit the damage.
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09:23<HoopyCat>mysqld does have some resource controls... for php, it depends mostly on how you're executing the PHP code (if you're doing mod_php, you've already lost the game)
09:24<atan>HoopyCat, I thought there was a way to set a user to run each virtualhost as, and also do the same to the PHP processes for that host
09:24<path>fastcgi is nice
09:25<HoopyCat>i believe there is, but i usually just do the fastcgi approach and screw apache
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09:25<atan>What? I want to know more. Why is fastcgi better than suphp (and screw apache?)
09:25<path>it's faster?
09:26<atan>Hmm. I'm all for that. What does it cut off to make it faster?
09:26<path>you aren't loading php instances in your webserver processes, so you can do threading
09:26<atan>Is it just an Apache module?
09:26<path>that's the point
09:26<atan>It's a whole webserver?
09:26*atan is stumped
09:27<akerl>atan: Using mpm_worker/fastcgi lets the php processes be separate from the apache processes. So they can work more efficiently because you don't need a 1-to-1 apache-php process connection
09:27<path>i use nginx, which is a webserver, is passes the php requests to another process, fastcgi, which has a php instance which returns php hawtness
09:27<HoopyCat>nginx is a web server, fastcgi is a way for web servers to talk to things like php
09:27<path>yea, you can use mpm worker stuff too, but nginx is nice if you don't need apache
09:28<path>that being said, i use apache at work with some reverse proxy stuff because it has better support for those things
09:28<path>but if you aren't do anything fancy, then i wouldn't bother
09:28<path>plus nginx has nifty rewrite stuff
09:29<atan>The only reason I would use Apache is because it's all I've known
09:29<path>yea, it's all i knew before i tried nginx as well
09:29<atan>I was thinking pf using nginx as a proxy to put in front of apache
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09:29<path>just take apache out of the picture
09:30<atan>So, forgive me for beign a new tool to all this, what would I google for if I want to setup nginx + php5? I need to support https and, uh. That's about it.
09:30<atan>I'm running Debian if it's any help.
09:30<path>fastcgi will run as a daemon with your php bits and you can use a cache optmizer there
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09:30<path>!library debian nginx fastgi php
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09:30<path>isn't thre a trigger for this stuff?
09:31<atan> ?
09:31<rns>how hard is it to get a django server set up on linode? I am coming from webfaction and am relatively new to administering my own server....
09:31<path>i followed the same one for ubuntu and it works well
09:31<atan>Does nginx support simple crap like virtual hosts? I would assume :P :-)
09:32<atan>Something similar to mod_rewrite? :-)
09:32*atan just does it
09:32<HoopyCat>rns: <--- the "Deployment" section under "The development process" should work
09:32*atan will come back later when he breaks it :D
09:32<atan>Thank you for the advice though, it's a great help!
09:32<path>have fun
09:32<atan>Nginx must be a new player in this game?
09:33<rns>HoopyCat, so setting up a linode server is pretty much the same as setting up a local dev enviornment?
09:33<HoopyCat>atan: nginx was built from the start to support virtual hosting, so it is less hacked-in than apache's support, so it is a little more different
09:33<HoopyCat>rns: except you're going to want to use an actual web server instead of just runserver
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09:34<rns>HoopyCat, right, so I would just install ubuntu (for example), apache, mysql/postgres, python, and django, and then configure them as needed?
09:35<HoopyCat>rns: yup... the linode library has a lot of articles on the OS/database/web server setup, too
09:35<rns>HoopyCat, is there anything else I need to worry about when administering my own server? Security?
09:36<HoopyCat>rns: the django folks recommend apache+mod_wsgi, but i usually do nginx+fastcgi, since i'm already using nginx for front-end load balancing and would rather deal with one brand of web server than two
09:38<HoopyCat>rns: and the next four categories (beginner's guide -> linux tools) are good things to read and run through
09:38<rns>HoopyCat, okay thanks. Outside of the linode docs, do you recommend any books or other resources for adminstering my own server?
09:40<HoopyCat>rns: hmmm... most of my favorites these days are books for specific problems (SQL Antipatterns, 24 Deadly Sins of Software Security, MySQL High Availability, etc)
09:41<HoopyCat>Pro Django, Beginning Ruby, Python Pocket Ref, the Apollo 11 Owner's Workshop Manual...
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09:42<rns>okay cool, thanks
09:42<rns>one more thing...
09:42<rns>what's the difference between vps, shared, and dedicated hosting?
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09:42<rns>seems like vps and shared are similar
09:42<sandbags>i followed the Linode guide to install nginx (v1.0.3) but it seems that the command to stop nginx is being ignored
09:42<sandbags>any advice?
09:43<HedgeMage>rns: vps gives you root on your own server, shared has you on a set-up with many other customers and no control (also no dedicated resources). The only thing they have in common is that you are not isolated on your own hardware.
09:44<HoopyCat>rns: operationally, vps and dedicated are probably the most similar of the three... you get your own system (which is functionally indistinguishable from real hardware) and can do what you please... shared hosting tends to be web-specific, and you're stuck with the decisions/policies that allow everyone to coexist on one system
09:44<HedgeMage>what HoopyCat said :)
09:45<rns>HedgeMage, so I am still sharing the server resources with other users, except I have root control with a pre-determined slice of resources under my control?
09:45<HoopyCat>sandbags: kill <pid> will send a recommendation that it go away
09:45<sandbags>HoopyCat: sure but i'd like to understand why the rather useful stop/start script isn't actually working
09:45<HoopyCat>rns: you're sharing hardware, but you aren't sharing anything software-related (it's yours from the kernel up)
09:46<akerl>sandbags: Do the logs say anything?
09:46<sandbags>executing the same command by hand I see
09:46<rns>HoopyCat, so what's the advantage of vps over dedicated? Cost?
09:46<HedgeMage>Right, and though you share hardware, it's not like you'll have less RAM available due to something someone else is running -- your RAM is your RAM, same for disk space, etc.
09:46<sandbags>it's saying no /usr/local/nginx/sbin/nginx found, yet... it's there in the process list
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09:47<akerl>sandbags: are you running the stop command as root?
09:47<sandbags>akerl: yes
09:47<sandbags>(note the sudo)
09:47<HoopyCat>rns: cost, easier access to the console for when you break networking, and if it is done right, better hardware
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09:47<HedgeMage>sudo is for wimps :P
09:47*HedgeMage ducks all the ubuntu users
09:48<rns>HoopyCat, and what about 'cloud' hosting - is that any different than vps/dedicated? Or is it just the ability to spin new servers on demand?
09:48<@caker>it's a marketing term when it comes to virtual machines. it's the same damn thing.
09:49<HedgeMage>"cloud" is an overloaded buzzword. Ignore it whenever possible and get specifics :P
09:49<HoopyCat>rns: "cloud" implies the ability to add/remove resources quickly, without going through the usual human-intensive sales/provisioning process
09:49<rns>HoopyCat, and linode can do this, correct?
09:49<HedgeMage>It can mean either of those things, or both, or something else
09:49<@caker>Linode is Cloud.
09:49<HoopyCat>rns: i've seen it applied to all three (shared, vps, and dedicated)
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09:50<rns>am I able to just have servers started up with linode automatically as the load requires it?
09:50<@caker>rns: yes you can do this on Linode:
09:51<rns>awesome, thanks everyone
09:51<HoopyCat>rns: if you architect things correctly, scaling by adding new linodes on the fly is totally possible
09:51<pleia2>g 48
09:52<HoopyCat>rns: <--- example of one possible correct architecture
09:52<sandbags>interesting, if i remove the --exec /path/to/nginx it works
09:52<sandbags>so it's actually *less* able to find it, when i tell it where it is
09:52<HoopyCat>(where frontend* are where the work gets done, and thus, are the parts you scale)
09:53<linbot>New news from forums: What is needed for email automation? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
09:54<HoopyCat>SCALING STRATEGY: if frontends get busy, add more. if database servers get busy, bitch and yell at the front end developers while deploying a new slave. if load balancers get busy, fffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
09:55*HoopyCat . o O ( i could get used to this "Director" gig )
09:55<bbeausej>I like
09:55<czr>HoopyCat, solution for the latter is to reduce number of clients.
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09:57<HoopyCat>HTTP/1.1 302 Traffic Shedding In Progress
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10:01<AviMarcus>so.. how do I install the latest rdiff-backup on centos? I'm a complete newb to centos, and getting this: - where do I find these dependencies?
10:01<HoopyCat>what in the hell
10:02<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: where did you get this rdiff-backup rpm?
10:02<AviMarcus>nothing showed in yum, which is supposed to be an ancient version, though.
10:02<HoopyCat>well yeah, it's centos, it's going to be ancient
10:03<AviMarcus>Maybe I have a weird yum repo?
10:03<atan>Totally followed guide but I can't access it remotely. lynx localhost shows 404 but from outside I can't access it. Did I miss some config part where I bind to an address?
10:03<akerl>atan: Did you put something there?
10:04<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: the first thing it wants might be in a package like 'librsync' or 'rsync-devel' or something like that
10:04<atan>akerl, I set my windows hosts file to point a domain to it ( to my linode ip)
10:04<atan>I can ping it fine :-)
10:04<AviMarcus>yes, HoopyCat there's only one rsync package when I yum search, so I need to find an rpm for that?
10:05<akerl>atan: Can you pastebin your nginx site config?
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10:05<atan>akerl, if you're willing to help me I can do just about anything
10:05<atan>One moment while I gather up what I have.
10:05<AviMarcus>that's the spirit!
10:06<atan>You're speaking of the file in sites-available + symlinked to sites-enabled?
10:06<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: dunno... it has been a long, long while since i've had to touch a centos machine
10:07<atan>akerl, here is what I have:
10:07<atan>Sorry I did swap the domain out because it kills me to find my own chat logs from IRC loggers later on when searching for my website ;)
10:07<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: if you don't mind voiding the warranty on your system, switching to the dag repo is sometimes handy, but it does mean you're no longer running what one would accurately call "centos"
10:08<atan>But, nevertheless the does resolve on my Windows computer here. I can ping and SSH to the domain.
10:08<AviMarcus>warranty? heh. hmm, dag. I suppose that's a "new" repo.
10:08<akerl>atan: what does nmap *your public ip* say?
10:08<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: they were around the last time i admin'd centos, if that's any sort of indication of quality :-)
10:09<atan>POrt 80 open. Hrm.
10:09<akerl>Can you toss me the ip?
10:09<atan>Should I be seeing a 404 page or something when I go to the IP directly?
10:09<atan>Notice'd you.
10:09<atan>Err, well, dug. You'd know that. Why do I bother :-)
10:10<atan>Thank you again by the way :-)
10:10*atan is quite happy to find this channel full of linode nerds :D
10:11<HoopyCat>hmm, 10am... i should take a shower and go repair the 80-meter halfwave
10:11<atan>heckman, I suppose you could throw trolls in there depending on the event?
10:12<atan>Any chance Danny hides in here?
10:12<atan>Nice guy I spoke to before setting up my account the other day.
10:12<HoopyCat>ham radio is the last line of defense when severe weather strikes... without this antenna, the fence would have taken out a rosebush and some bamboo
10:12<atan>I think he said he was in Aussie land :D
10:13<HoopyCat>atan: array :-)
10:13<the|Navigator>atan: If he's in aussie land, it would be a bit early for him right now?
10:13<@heckman>He's probably asleep by now
10:13<HoopyCat>atan: he's the antipodean linodean
10:13<HoopyCat>say it out loud, it's got a nice ring to it
10:13<atan>Oh I had no plans to wake him but now that I know who he is I can haunt him for years to come on IRC> :-)
10:13<the|Navigator>heckman: When do early and late swap?
10:14<@heckman>I'd say middle of the night (11pm-3am) = late
10:14<atan>Hmm. akerl, seems to be working now.
10:14<atan>I typed the wrong IP. Shoot me.
10:14<HoopyCat>3am-7am is early
10:15<the|Navigator>And in AU it's either 0:15, 1:15 or 2:15, i think, so I guess it would be 'late' and not early
10:16<HoopyCat>afk, wife is thinking angry thoughts and holding wirecutters
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10:16<the|Navigator>Time zones are weird things.
10:17<atan>When you change out something from your website config file so you need to restart nginx or is there a better way to go about this? :-)
10:17<the|Navigator>Dependent on where you are in the world, it can be 04:17 on Monday, or 04:17 on Tuesday right now.
10:17<AviMarcus>atan, just "service nginx reload" instead of restart
10:18<AviMarcus>should do a hot-reload of config files
10:18<atan>:-) this is too awesome.
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10:18<@heckman>ugh I need to clean...
10:19<the|Navigator>apt-get clean
10:19<GLaDOSDan>rm -rf /
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10:19<@heckman>If only that worked on my apartment the|Navigator, nice try GLaDOSDan :X
10:20<atan>Now is there a way to make all of my PHP processes run as a set user?
10:21<the|Navigator>I hear CentOS 6 is finally coming.
10:21<@heckman>I heard that back in January...
10:21<the|Navigator>heckman: 6th June
10:22<the|Navigator>Provided QA sign it off on 3rd June
10:23<@heckman>So, what was the exact cause for the massive delay?
10:23<A-KO>atan: I use mpm-itk for apache to do that (using mod-php), but people have different ways of doing it
10:23<the|Navigator>heckman: No idea.
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10:24<the|Navigator>heckman: They've managed to alienate most of their user base into moving to SL though
10:24<@heckman>For those who defected, I can't really blame em
10:25<the|Navigator>Seven months after the RHEL release date, nearly
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10:25<the|Navigator>Anyone want to have a bet on how long 6.1 will take?
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10:26<AviMarcus>hmm, maybe it will follow ubuntu naming. 2061 ?
10:26<the|Navigator>Released by RHEL on 19/5
10:26<the|Navigator>or 5/19, depending on how you like your dates.
10:26<@heckman>I'd say the revisions will be faster. Well, hope so anyway.
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11:00<bencaron>hey, just booted up a brand new account with a brand new linode in London
11:00<bencaron>is it normal that the transfer / month is only 12Gb?
11:00<bencaron>is it monthly based?
11:01<AviMarcus>it's pro-rated per month
11:01<bencaron>ok, make sense
11:01<bencaron>thanks AviMarcus
11:01<AviMarcus>London, good place :)
11:02<AviMarcus>if you're using ubuntu, you can use an apt-cacher there to save a few seconds/gb when updating ubuntu
11:02<bencaron>closer to some of my clients :)
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11:02<bencaron>there should be some apt source list from uk avail, no?
11:03<bencaron>oh, nice!
11:03<AviMarcus>yeah, but I have one on a linode, so once you add a private IP it's free network
11:04<bencaron>great, thx again!
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11:07<rockhopper_>hey guys, i noticed i am blocked from port 22 in my server. any ideas what could be the reason?
11:07<the|Navigator>rockhopper_: Could be your ISP?
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11:08<rockhopper_>the|Navigator: no, i just phoned them
11:08<the|Navigator>rockhopper_: Or the thing listening on that port has crashed and burned?
11:08<@heckman>rockhopper_: what's your Linode's IP?
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11:10<retro|blah>Port 22 looks open from here...
11:10<the|Navigator>I get a response.
11:10<@heckman>22/tcp open ssh
11:11<the|Navigator>rockhopper_: Can you clarify 'blocked'?
11:11<rockhopper_>the|Navigator: i simply can't "git pull"
11:11<rockhopper_>getting the error: fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
11:12<the|Navigator>rockhopper_: Can you SSH in?
11:12<rockhopper_>the|Navigator: i don't have the key on this pc, but i guess i woudn't be able if i'll try here
11:13<rockhopper_>since port 22 is cloked
11:13<the|Navigator>I don't understand.
11:13<the|Navigator>So.. you're trying to git pull, over SSH, on a machine that doesn't have the SSH key?
11:13<the|Navigator>I'm not understanding exactly where the issue is.
11:14<rockhopper_>the|Navigator: well, i'm using redmine to activate my key here
11:15<rockhopper_>and i'm simply using git, but i it seems like it's running on same port of ssh
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11:17<rockhopper_>ssh: connect to host port 22: Connection timed out
11:18<the|Navigator>ryansully: howdy.
11:18<the|Navigator>rockhopper_: I can connect fine, or at least have it present me the host key.
11:18<ryansully>yeah 22 shows up as "22/tcp filtered ssh"
11:18<ryansully>should be fine
11:18<rockhopper_>the|Navigator: i don't :P
11:19<ryansully>yep i see hostkey
11:19<ryansully>rockhopper_: login via lish and see whats up? could be an iptable or deny
11:19<rockhopper_>oh, g2g!
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11:19<rockhopper_>thanks! ttyl
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11:33<GLaDOSDan>Can someone help me answer this?
11:33<GLaDOSDan>I mean, I know that I need a computer and, obviously, a printer for accessing the internet
11:33<WoodWork>router, modem?
11:34<GLaDOSDan>I'm thinking the answer might be ink
11:34<mwalling>unless you're using a teletype, or tractor feed paper and punch cards
11:34<the|Navigator>A bank account to pay for service?
11:35<the|Navigator>I guess the device would be 'credit card'.
11:36<the|Navigator>reminds me of a question we got in our exams
11:37<the|Navigator>It went over the page so it was really open ended and confusing initially
11:37<retro|blah>Haha, is this for real?
11:37<the|Navigator>"(i) What is a virtual machine?"
11:37<the|Navigator>"(ii) How would you use a virtual machine to run intermediate code?"
11:39<the|Navigator>Naturally, without reading (ii), I answered about running an OS in another OS.
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11:52<linbot>New news from forums: After 8 days, PHP stuck in "extended" usleep? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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12:05<protonchris>is local link == private ip ?
12:05<mwalling>there are no more private ips with linode's ipv6 deployment
12:07<hawk>protonchris: link-local is "private" (non-routable, valid only on the local network)
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12:10<stermi>hi everyone! Just bought my linode vps :)
12:10<stermi>I'm a bit stuck configugin redmine
12:10<AviMarcus>Congrats :)
12:10<stermi>this is because i'm pretty new to have a whole server for me and not just a local webserver :)
12:11<stermi>at the moment i don't have a real domain so i'm using only the static IP
12:12<stermi>This is my /etc/apache2/sites-avaible/ :
12:12<stermi>i made a2ensite and I've already created the redmine directory under /srv/www/ and linked redmine with
12:13<hawk>Ok, so doesn't exist?
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12:13<protonchris>Thanks. I want to use linode's provided apt-cacher with has an ipv4 address of (private ip) and I added a private ip address to get to that server. However with ipv6, should machine connect to the server over the ipv6 address or the local link address?
12:13<stermi>ln -s /usr/share/redmine/public to my redmine public_html
12:13*protonchris has a lot to learn about ipv6
12:13<stermi>hawk exactly. is it possible to do that with only the static ip?
12:14<hawk>stermi: If there's a default vhost I would assume it will pick that as the ServerName for the one you showed will not match the host header if you are using the IP rather than that name
12:14<stermi>so what can I do?
12:15<stermi>(i'll do the transfer in a few weeks
12:15<hawk>stermi: If it's only a matter of time until is added in dns you may want to stick an entry in /etc/hosts on the client
12:15<hawk>(If all you want is to test things)
12:16<stermi>yes hawk, sorry for stipid questions but i'm used to handle really simple thinks and i've everything under only 1 public_html :)
12:16<stermi>i'm tring to learn how to structure with order :)
12:16<stermi>at the moment in /etc/hosts i've only default loopback and this: dfvps
12:17<stermi>(i followed the beginner guide)
12:17<hawk>/etc/hosts on the client
12:17<hawk>I suspect that was from the server?
12:18<stermi>ouch yes
12:18<stermi>anyway for the moment I can also symlink redmine to my main public_html
12:18<stermi>and than remove the symlink right?
12:21<hawk>Possibly, depending on the configuration... The upside of the hosts file approach for testing while you sort the dns bits is that you will set things up right on the server side.
12:23<stermi>Can you explain me what have I to change on my /etc/hosts in client? (sorry but i've very newbie for this sort of things)
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12:23<linbot>New news from forums: Do u suggest installing OS updates before Apache is setup. in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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12:24<hawk>stermi: Maybe a line like "" or something along those lines?
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12:26<hawk>(And then when you have added those in dns you can obviously remove that again)
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12:28<stermi>ok :)
12:28<stermi>i'll give a try :)
12:29<marius>I don't tyhink I've told linodia how much I love it today.
12:29<marius>Consider it told.
12:29<the|Navigator>Complete the sentence: "I love linode more than I love _________".
12:30<marius>My unborn child
12:30<SnoFox>My mom
12:30<marius>which honestly doesn't say much as I hate kids, they make too much noise
12:30<SnoFox>But that's not saying much.
12:30<SnoFox>marius: Hiveminds, somewhat.
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12:31<SnoFox>I love Linode more than I love my desktop.
12:31<marius>I love linode almost as much as I love zomg.
12:31<marius>zomg: my fucking mouse and mat haven't left the netherlands yet I think
12:31<marius>they hadn't at noon when I checked at least
12:32<the|Navigator>My answer to the question would be 'underscores'
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12:32<@jed>underscores? in MY python?
12:32<the|Navigator>oh, and 'vim'
12:32<SnoFox>Oh no.
12:32<SnoFox>No no no.
12:32<SnoFox>I got it!
12:33<SnoFox>I love Linode more than I love vim!
12:33<SnoFox>Because Linode allows me to love vim! :D
12:33<GLaDOSDan>I love linode more than I love urmom
12:33<linbot>the|Navigator: Yo mommas so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:8/1) [momru]
12:33<the|Navigator>Too repetitive.
12:33<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so stupid she sold her car for gas money! (768:4/6) [mroum]
12:33<linbot>GLaDOSDan: Yo mommas so fat, she doesnt handle more than 2 gigs! (778:11/5) [mmuro]
12:33<the|Navigator>that one's good.
12:34<@heckman>!urmom vote up 778
12:34<linbot>heckman: Voted up 778 [ommur]
12:34<the|Navigator>Reminds me of one kid in class who insists NTFS is pronounced "nut-fuss"
12:34<@jed>I nut fussed urmom
12:34*heckman is gonna start using that
12:34<the|Navigator>well, FAT is fat, so NTFS must be nutfuss.
12:35<@heckman>If anything I think nit-fiss, but nut-fuss is so much moar better
12:36<the|Navigator>Is anyone here excited about NFC?
12:36<@heckman>Nebraska Fried Chicken?
12:36<the|Navigator>I keep hearing about Google Wallet this, NFC that, but I just go 'meh'.
12:37<ryansully>i dont like the google wallet concept yet
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12:37<marius>I like google wallet
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12:38<marius>I'd much rather let google handle my money then paypal and theiur freeze happy trigger finger
12:38<the|Navigator>marius: I'd much rather use real cards.
12:38<@zomg>marius: How appropriate.
12:39<the|Navigator>It's not as though my credit and debit cards exactly weigh me down
12:39<AviMarcus>one article said google was going to do it commission free, no 2-3% fees
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12:39<AviMarcus>that would be a money saver for the stores.
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12:40<AviMarcus>see, google will pay you for your lack of privacy.
12:40<AviMarcus>Hello shadowman
12:40<the|Navigator>Let's just wait for chromebooks and other services first
12:40<the|Navigator>I mean, this will take forever to get anywhere other than the US
12:40*AviMarcus isn't in the USA :(
12:40<shadowman>how I disable Hyper Threading in linux? I'm a bit confuse about this
12:40<shadowman>I can disable Hyper Threading and keep SMP support right?
12:41<marius>zomg, I know right
12:41<@jed>shadowman: yes, but you can turn hyperthreading off in the BIOS
12:41<marius>I shall return to thy soon linodia, but first I must persue the nightmare that windows lays upon it's users; I must reboot.
12:41<@jed>there's a way to offline each CPU individually but it's a PITA
12:42<shadowman>jed: I prefer to disable on grub
12:42<shadowman>I tried to append'noht'
12:42<shadowman>but I'm not sure if it's disable cose I still see a bunch of cpu's
12:42<@jed>check 'siblings' versus 'cpu cores' in /proc/cpuinfo
12:43<shadowman>siblings says: 12
12:43<shadowman>cpu cores says 6
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12:43<@jed>wow, what chip is that?
12:44<shadowman>Xeon X5650
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12:44<@jed>shadowman: that article has a section on disabling the extra CPUs in /sys
12:45<@jed>but yeah, if siblings > cpu cores, HT is enabled
12:45<the|Navigator>Pfft, only 6/12?
12:45<the|Navigator>That's so low
12:45<shadowman>jed: yeah, but I'm not sure what to disable
12:45<shadowman>I dont want to disable all cpus
12:45<shadowman>just HT
12:45<the|Navigator>I think the new E7s are 10 / 20
12:45<the|Navigator>But they are ~$5k
12:46<shadowman>I can disable all 24
12:46<shadowman>I can put then all offline
12:46<shadowman>but not sure wahat's the impact of that
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12:47<@jed>how many cpus do you have in /sys?
12:47<@jed>I've never done this, curious how it shows up
12:47<shadowman>in /sys/devices/system/cpu I have 24
12:48<@jed>dual xeons?
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12:49<@jed>yeah, I don't know what to tell you, could offline 6 on each chip, but I wouldn't be sure which 6
12:49<shadowman>4 cpu's total
12:49<@jed>oh ... in that case, yeah, I *really* don't know
12:49<shadowman>I guess
12:49<@jed>I'd expect 48 if you're in a quad box
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12:49<@jed>unless linux doesn't make HT into logical CPUs..
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12:50<@jed>maybe your command line argument worked and linux isn't trying to use them
12:50<AviMarcus>hey whitebook.
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12:50<@heckman>Linux recognizes the HT magic as being a core.
12:51<@jed>then if it is indeed a quad CPU system, linux has disregarded the HT cores, I'd say
12:51<@jed>otherwise you'd have up to cpu47
12:51<shadowman>jed: my bad, the server has 2 physical cpu
12:51<shadowman>each has 6 cores
12:51<@jed>I was going to say, shit, can I have a shell on it
12:53<@jed>shadowman: noht should work, no idea
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12:53<@jed>this thing will tell you which is which if you want to offline the HT cores:
12:53<@jed>lshw might, too
12:53<shadowman>let me try that
12:54<@jed>isn't there a flag in cpuinfo for a HT core?
12:54<shadowman>it's in all the 24 cpus
12:54<shadowman>the ht flsg
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13:08<gadams>jed, how big is your minecraft server?
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13:10<AviMarcus>50 gajillion cubes
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13:10<gman>array: hello
13:10<ryansully>hmm, 49 gajillion more than mine
13:10<AviMarcus>thaat was quick.
13:10<gman>how is everyone
13:10<AviMarcus>oh you mean in megabytes of ram.
13:10<postfuxed>Does anyone here no anything about postfix
13:11<AviMarcus>lol, postfuxed? I guess a topic-appropriate nickname?
13:11<gman>wondering if anyone can help me diagnose an email/dns issue im having
13:11<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
13:11<gman>i created an incorrect dns entry a couple days ago and made fqdn point to this
13:12<gman>i realized my error yesterday, removed that incorrect dns entry, and thought i changed my fqdn
13:12<@jed>gadams: when I ran one, I committed 1 GB to it (that wasn't enough)
13:12<@jed>I don't run one anymore, I'm largely over Minecraft
13:12<gman>problem is when i send an email to myself, it gets bounced back
13:12<gman>and i still see that incorrect domain
13:13<gman>"Name service error for type=A: Host not found"
13:14<postfuxed>hahah.... ok... I am trying to run postmulti (several instances of postfix) and I started wit the linode guide (which helped me get sasld and tls working) but I cant get it working on the other instances.... I figured it might have something to do with the chrooted postfix folder so I copied everything over... I get an offer to starttls but no pauth plain
13:14<gman>so if i deleted this improper dns entry where else would it be checking that
13:15<postfuxed>(oh I also coppied all the tls and sasld options over from the original postfix
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13:16<gman>i fixed the reverse dns
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13:16<gman>im not sure where this look up is occuring
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13:17<gman>is there any other location on a debian box that holds the hostname and/or fqdn info
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13:20<shadowman>jed: looks like 'noht' only work in x86
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13:20<@jed>shadowman: ah
13:20<shadowman>jed: but 'maxcpus=2' does the trick
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13:23<@jed>you still get all of the cores as logical CPUs?
13:23<@jed>that's interesting
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13:25<atan>Hmm... what do you guys think, upgrade box + install MySQL locally, or go with a second linode?
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13:27<FrostedLight>I've forgotten my password, and deleted the email account associated with my Linode account :/
13:27*FrostedLight <-- Scared
13:27*atan wonders if you have the credit card you paid with
13:27<SleePy>atan, I personally would get another Linode.
13:28<FrostedLight>There's a Linode active...
13:28<atan>SleePy, yeah? =\ Why? So you can scale as you need?
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13:28<ryansully>FrostedLight: im sure if you just call up linode they will help you no problem
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13:29<FrostedLight>Can't exactly call 'em..
13:29<the|Navigator>why not?
13:29<FrostedLight>Any other method BUT by phone?
13:29<ryansully> or similar i assume
13:29<FrostedLight>Damn localisation problems..
13:29<the|Navigator>FrostedLight: I always keep some skype credit just in case I ever have to call a US phone number
13:30<FrostedLight>Or Google Voice via Proxy..
13:30<SleePy>atan, Scaling is one reason. Mine would be because of cpu. Doubling a linode would still give you the same cpu, but just more ram, storage and bandwidth
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13:31<SleePy>But scaling would be a good idea to start working on now. Its a pita to get caught up when nobody has thought about scaling years down the road :P
13:31<FrostedLight>Just thought.. I could wait 5 days (GA Reactivation Time), then recreate the email account on my Google Apps domain... Then check if GA actually starts recieving emails.. :)
13:32<FrostedLight> was not recieving email, might have started when port 80 on the server was unused.
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13:37<gman>guess nobody has dns problems here ever ;_;
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13:40<FrostedLight>gman, uh yeah - i gave up with lindns
13:41<jpg>I just did encountered a very nasty circular dependency issue on my host, trying to run Debian testing/unstable on my Linode - getting "Kernel too old" errors and such, but I was under the impression you can upgrade guest kernels on a Xen-based system. Is that not hte case?
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13:41<the|Navigator>jpg: In order to run your own kernel, you need to change your linode kernel
13:42<the|Navigator>jpg: to use... pv-grub, I think it is?
13:42<jpg>the|Navigator: I don't really want to run my own, per se, I just want to use one that isn't years old.
13:42<jpg>, you think?
13:42<the|Navigator>The newest one is brand new
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13:43<the|Navigator>what kernel are you running?
13:43<jpg> is what i have now
13:43<the|Navigator>jpg: Linode provides 2.6.39-linode33
13:43<jpg>but I have wheezy/sid in /etc/debian_version, which is obviously now causing problems
13:43<jpg>the|Navigator: can I get that without reinstalling my entire system?
13:43<the|Navigator>jpg: yes
13:43<SleePy>Check your linode. You might not be set to run the latest :)
13:44<jpg>I can just change the kernel settings in the linode manager
13:44<jpg>latest 2.6 paravirt?
13:44<the|Navigator>jpg: yes
13:44<the|Navigator>jpg: And then restart
13:44<jpg>thanks :D
13:44<jpg>I'll try taht, brb
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13:50<jpg>woo, that seems to have taken care of it
13:50<jpg>totally forgot that kernels were managed in the control panel
13:50<jpg>thanks a bunch guys!
13:53<the|Navigator>jpg: Have the errors gone?
13:53<jpg>the|Navigator: yep, resolved the dependency issues entirely
13:53<jpg>it was just barfing on the old kernel and I couldn't find how to update it
13:53<the|Navigator>jpg: That's excellent news.
13:53<jpg>Very much so, I was not looking forward to further troubleshooting. Thanks for the help!
13:53<the|Navigator>jpg: Now that you're on "Latest", you jsut need to reboot every time a new kernel is released
13:54<the|Navigator>jpg: It will automatically swap to whatever the newest latest is
13:58<SleePy>I should do that as well. But I don't think the latest kernel had anything I needed :D
14:02<atan>Hmm. Okay this is an odd issue I've never run in to before. Generally if I buy an SSL certificate for it works on, not (mismatch!) but it's setup on Nginx and allowing access with both www. and the root domain without showing the user any scary messages in the browser. Did I goof something up?
14:03<atan>And if I totally was just talking to one of you (@) forgive me, I'm still a little stumped. I feel like I should see a big error message, and I don't :|
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14:04<SleePy>Restart or try another browser? You may of allowed it (maybe even a permanent allow).
14:04<atan>I tried IE, Chrome and Firefox
14:04<atan>Oh wait, there we go.
14:05<atan>You are correct.
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14:06<atan>I must not have something setup right here somewhere though, in a new browser even the www. doesn't work and it warns of an unsecure connection.
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14:06<SleePy>You can tell Nginx to redirect non www to www and vice versa
14:06<atan>That'll be the next step once I get the SSL working as it should :D
14:06<atan>"The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided."
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14:09<atan> is my next error to fix I believe :-)
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14:22<stermi>uhmmm maybe I don't understand something. In the homepage linode say that I have 200gb transfer. What does it mean? and that value is month by month?
14:22<the|Navigator>stermi: 200GB bandwidth.
14:22<stermi>each month
14:22<the|Navigator>stermi: i.e. the amount of traffic in and out of your linode, on a per month basis
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14:23<the|Navigator>stermi: Excluding internal networking on your internal IP
14:23<stermi>in my linode manage says that I used 9% of that (I bouth my first linode today) with this informations: 1GB Used, 11GB Remaining, 12GB Quota
14:24<the|Navigator>stermi: Yes, bandwidth is prorated.
14:24<stermi>what does it mean?
14:24<the|Navigator>stermi: You've only been billed to the end of the month
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14:24<the|Navigator>stermi: (1/30th of the payment) and as such have 1/30th of the bandwidth
14:25<stermi>I don't understand it :D
14:25<linbot>New news from forums: Break-In Attempts in Linux Networking <>
14:25<the|Navigator>stermi: Everybody is billed on the same day of the month
14:25<shotmillions>Hi I apologise for the noob question but just how easy or hard isit to get Wordpress installed and set up for someone whos never set up a server before?
14:25<stermi>ok :)
14:25<the|Navigator>stermi: If you start a linode on a different day, you only pay for the rest of the month
14:25<the|Navigator>stermi: And you only get the resources for that fraction of the month
14:26<stermi>so I'll pay only for 1 day?
14:26<stermi>or have I wasted 1 month of payment? :D
14:26<the|Navigator>stermi: Nobody wastes any payment.
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14:27<the|Navigator>stermi: As I said, you pay for the a fraction of the month, and you get the resources for that fraction.
14:27<stermi>anyway I <3 my new vps :D
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14:27<the|Navigator>stermi: Your bill might be like $2 this month, for instance
14:27<the|Navigator>stermi: Next month's bill will be the full amount and you'll have the bandwidth as advertised for your plan.
14:28<the|Navigator>shotmillions: It's pretty easy, you can follow the LAMP guides for the OS you use
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14:28<the|Navigator>shotmillions: And then it's the same as setting up wordpress on a shared host
14:28<shotmillions>just ive just cancelled my rackspace account as I had no idea what the hell to do.
14:29<shotmillions>just dont want to have the same problem again.
14:29<the|Navigator>shotmillions: How willing are you to learn?
14:30<the|Navigator>shotmillions: has guides for each OS.
14:31<shotmillions>im trying to set up my company so i would rather leave it in the hands of someone else? is this really not for me then?
14:31<shotmillions>had a look at that reliability is the most important thing to me and linode looks great i just cant afford to spend alot of time setting things up is all.
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14:34<the|Navigator>shotmillions: Given that I don't know your exact situation, I couldn't say.
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14:35<shotmillions>thanks anyway navigator
14:35<the|Navigator>shotmillions: Linode will give you the server, but you still need to install the appropriate software and ensure everything stays up to date. With a managed host, you can just upload files and go, but if they don't support a certain technology or don't want to upgrade, you can get stuck with an inability to do something.
14:36<shotmillions>yeah i know but I also am extremely busy thanks.
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14:36<the|Navigator>Only thing I can say is
14:36<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
14:37<the|Navigator>But if you're too busy, then that might not be for you either.
14:37<SleePy>He left
14:37<the|Navigator>SleePy: What?
14:37<shotmillions>yeah its not the money at all
14:37*SleePy is reading wrong
14:37<shotmillions>its just looking after the server after the initial uploads etc.
14:38<the|Navigator>SleePy: Yeah, was going to say
14:38<SleePy>shotmillions, Mostly once everything is up and running, there isn't much to do other than running security updates :)
14:39<the|Navigator>shotmillions: Yeah, once it's up, a quick apt-get update will normally handle all the updates.
14:39<SleePy>If you installed stuff through package maintainers, it is as easy as running the update commands (ie apt-get update && apt-get upgrade)
14:39<the|Navigator>Or yum, or emerge, dependent on OS (don't hate me, gentoo/centos guys for ignoring you!)
14:39<SleePy>We don't speak of them here :D
14:39<shotmillions>is there anyway to have it managed?
14:40<SleePy>Linode doesn't currently provide managed services.
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14:40<SleePy>Doesn't mean you couldn't pay somebody do to that for you though :)
14:40<shotmillions>i just litterly cannot find ONE! reliable UK hosting provider.
14:40<SleePy>With a VPS?
14:40<shotmillions>yeah or even managed.
14:41<AviMarcus>I've been in the london datacenter for.. months
14:41<the|Navigator>shotmillions: Yeah, linode's london DC has been great for me, but it's not managed.
14:41<AviMarcus>I think there was only ONE minor network event, and it affected the entire UK
14:42<AviMarcus>Hmm, about 6 months.
14:42<shotmillions>im sold trust me i just dont have the skills to do it
14:43<shotmillions>anyway thanks alot guys for helping me out
14:43<shotmillions>im going to try
14:43<shotmillions>unless theres something terrible horrible about them?
14:44<SleePy>Asking in their competitions IRC channel may not give you very unbiased results :D
14:45<shotmillions>well i cannot go with linode as much as id like too!
14:45<shotmillions>and its not exactly a competitor as its a totally different service i guess
14:45<the|Navigator>How much is's equivalent service?
14:45<@zomg>Have you looked at the Linode Library?
14:45<@jed>more expensive
14:46<the|Navigator>$10 per ticket?
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14:46<@zomg>Lots of people have learned how to mange stuff with the articles there
14:46<the|Navigator>or $99/mo managed?
14:46<the|Navigator>That's... ahem.
14:46<shotmillions>anyone want to set me up on WP
14:46<shotmillions>or is that a even worse idea?
14:47<@zomg>There's a stackscript and a library guide
14:47<@zomg>You could do it yourself for a fraction of the cost :P
14:47<shotmillions>ok right im sold
14:47<shotmillions>getting one now
14:48<@jed>shotmillions: hit up the forums, lots of linode customers like to administer stuff in their spare time
14:48<SleePy>If your worried about learning Linux. Setting up VirtualBox on your machine will let you easily setup some linux VMs and play around with them.
14:48<@zomg>With every Linode purchase, Linode donates one cent to the "Feed the Amanda" campaign
14:49<@jed>administering clients is really automatable, if it wasn't a conflict of interest for me I'd do it
14:49<SleePy>zomg, Since when?
14:49<@zomg>Since now.
14:49<SleePy>Never announced it ;)
14:50<@zomg>Technically they did
14:51<@zomg>They hired me. I get paychecks. I buy food.
14:52<atan>Hmm. So apt-get install php5-mysql didn't add anything 'mysql' into my phpinfo(); I miss something?
14:52<@zomg>atan: you need the php-mysql package
14:52<SleePy>I see, you donate to to the campaign :) Not Linode itself
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14:53<@jed>atan: did you restart apache?
14:53<atan>zomg: isn't that what php5-mysql is?
14:53<atan>Nginx, but yeah I did service nginx restart
14:53<@zomg>atan: Sorry, missed that
14:53<@jed>did you restart your PHP backend, in that case?
14:53<SleePy>You would need to restart fpm/cgi
14:53<@zomg>Did you restart the cgi process?
14:53<atan>:D nope
14:53<the|Navigator>Do you have mysql?
14:53<atan>So there's another process somewhere?
14:54<atan>the|Navigator, no I think it'll be remote I just want the php functions
14:54<sirpengi>one of those
14:54<atan>I could assume it is the fastcgi one :-)
14:54<atan>restarted it
14:54<atan>Works now :D
14:54<atan>Who knew.
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14:54<atan>Thank you guys. :-)
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14:55<atan>So I can add in other modules just like that, eh? That easy? apt-get install php5-gd and such? :D
14:55<@zomg>Unless you want pcntl -.-
14:55<atan>I mean the usual packs, not the queer ones
14:56<atan>Err, strange*
14:56<sirpengi>well, if you have the package in the repository yeah
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14:57<priyesh>anyone want to explain the different type of php implementations to me ? :P or is there a good article for them?
14:57<sirpengi>there are other php implementations?
14:57<sirpengi>oh, do you mean like hiphop or something?
14:57<the|Navigator>sirpengi: I think priyesh means fastcgi vs cgi vs fpm
14:58<priyesh>ie. phpfcgi, php5-cgi etc
14:58<priyesh>the|Navigator got it :P
14:58<@zomg>This beer tastes like watermelon.
14:58<@zomg>My mind is blown.
15:01<SleePy>priyesh, I don't believe there is too many differences. I use FPM because I use unix sockets instead and name those according to the domain I set up the config for. I find it much easier to remember a name rather than what port it should be running on.
15:02<priyesh>so any resources to explain how it all works :P
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15:05<the|Navigator>Aaaaaah, I'm spikiiiiiing
15:05<the|Navigator>Damn NTP cronners
15:07<the|Navigator>I really should stop watching this. I mean, my linode always comes out of this fine, but watching it infuriates me
15:10<the|Navigator>It's still going up o.O
15:10<the|Navigator>Normally the spike is only at x:00 to about x:04
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15:11*jkwood deactivates his NTP botnet
15:11<the|Navigator>jkwood: I was receiving 150 requests a second for 10 minutes
15:12<the|Navigator>The non-spike rate is about 30-50 a second
15:13<the|Navigator>I wonder what evil I could do...
15:14<the|Navigator>Assuming they're as abusive to every server, and they're dropping the packets, I wonder if I could get NTP to trust my time and then slowly move them forward until their clock is over a week out or something
15:17<rns>can I get a linode server up and running without a domain?
15:18<the|Navigator>rns: Yes, you get a dedicated IP
15:19<rns>the|Navigator, I just want something to use for testing before I transfer over my domain - is dedicated IP what I should use for that, or does linode give me a temp address somewhere?
15:19<HoopyCat>rns: you get a hostname like, which fits nicely between a http:// and a /
15:19<the|Navigator>rns: That too
15:20<rns>perfect, thanks
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15:22<AviMarcus>Hey. Any suggestions for some sort of web-based chat for the IRC-impaired? or are there actually any good web-irc clients available?
15:23<@zomg>Depends, for your own network or for any network?
15:23<AviMarcus>campfirenow's free thing is limited to 4 people. then it's $12/month which is a bit much.
15:23<@zomg>I use qwebirc for my net, but I know a lot of people like mibbit
15:23<AviMarcus>doesn't have to be IRC.
15:23<AviMarcus>I just want a chat room of some sort for my website. (I think.)
15:23<@zomg>I'm biased towards IRC :P
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15:24<AviMar>Huh, that's not too horrible.
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15:28<HoopyCat>mibbit is not the freenode web irc client, so it cannot connect to freenode, which means you're pretty much going to be using OFTC, too
15:29<HoopyCat>(all the other IRC networks are inferior)
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15:30<@zomg>Who wants to go to Freenode anyway
15:30<AviMarcus>heh. it can't connect to freenode? they don't allow it?
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15:30<AviMarcus>#freeswitch is there :x
15:30<AviMarcus>I go where my peeps are, I judge them by more important things than their relatively minor choice of irc network.
15:31<nviror>Can i ask a off-topic question? actually related to C++
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15:31<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: as of some time back (i haven't checked lately), the only web->IRC gateway they allow is their own, so that they can ensure folks receive the quality and reliability they expect
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15:32<HoopyCat>nviror: well, it's either that or i'm going to start complaining about fences, so go for it
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15:33<nviror>What platform would you recommend to create a unmanaged application in C++ ? Visual C++, DevCpp or any other? Please Help to get started. FYI, I already built the application in C#. I don't want to get dependant on .net.
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15:34<Cromulent>stick with visual studio for windows - it does the job and if you already know it the transition should be relatively painless
15:34<jkwood>Those aren't platforms, they're IDEs. For what it's worth, I liked DevCPP.
15:35<Cromulent>although the visual studio c++ ide is pretty sparse compared to the c# one
15:35<HoopyCat>+1 for visual studio
15:35<jkwood>Also, are you aware of the Mono project? Assuming you're not using bleeding-edge .Net stuff, it should allow you to use your C# stuff on another platform easily.
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15:36<nviror>visual c++ is a part of visual studio
15:36<HoopyCat>(but that's mostly because it is the only thing i know)
15:36<HoopyCat>((well, that isn't vim))
15:36<nviror>I too prefer visual c++ personally, what want to know what professionals use
15:36<Cromulent>was just about to suggest that as the second option :p
15:36<@zomg>Yeah, I use visual studio to do most things on windows that aren't java
15:36<jkwood>Professionals use whatever lets them get the job done.
15:36<@zomg>Also that
15:37<HoopyCat>oh, you're looking for what i, as a *professional* use? vim
15:37<jkwood>Anyone who tells you that a certain tool will change your life, is selling something.
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15:37<AviMarcus>jkwood, however, that doesn't mean you shouldn't buy. Especially when it's free open source software.
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15:37<nviror>Thanks to all.
15:38<jkwood>I don't see that much from open source, though. Usually, that's Microsoft's marketing department.
15:38<jkwood>"Visual Studio 200x now has more widgets and almost writes your useless code for you! Upgrade now!"
15:38<nviror>actually creating a small cgpa calculator in visual c++
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15:38<nviror>i found this guide useful,
15:39*HoopyCat immediately clicks on
15:39<ryansully>almost as bad as the stuff my VB teacher makes us do. -sigh-. A+ in the class and i havent learned a thing
15:40<HoopyCat>i believe i may have found a new lorem ipsum!
15:40<daj>Gents: I find myself on Ubuntu 9.04 and would like to dist upgrade my linode: can you point me at docs?
15:40<HoopyCat>daj: has enough notes to get you to 10.04, i believe
15:41<@heckman>HoopyCat: I was informed you can't skip versions
15:41<daj>Thanks HoopyCat, checking it out now
15:41<HoopyCat>heckman: i am assuming it will say something along those lines
15:41<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, thanks for mentioning that freenode has one, they have a wizard to let you embed it.
15:42<jkwood>Yes, but then you have to use Freenode.
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15:42<sirpengi>I think you can jump from LTS to LTS. but if you're not on LTS you can incrementally upgrade until you reach an LTS and then blast off from there
15:42<jkwood>Good luck when your clients receive "Netsplit:" and wonder what the heck happened.
15:43<daj>HoopyCat, heckman: you are correct, jaunty -> lucid not supported it do-release-upgrade
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15:43<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: so does mibbit, to be fair, although ad-sponsored for the free version
15:43<HoopyCat>ah right, 9.10 doesn't exist any more, does it
15:43<Cromulent>hmm do you think is too long for a domain? maybe too pretentious?
15:43<daj>thanks heckman, worried about 9.10 eol'ed too?!
15:43<atan>Linode doesn't offer any type of massive file store options, do they? :-) I have nothing big enough to scale yet but things like cloud files interest me, just the thought that I can archive forever and just pay disk space.
15:43<Cromulent>trying something memorable
15:43<daj>starting to sweat
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15:44<@heckman>You may need to manually change your sources.list to
15:44<daj>heckman, got that done
15:44<@heckman>daj: you have to incrementally upgrade. I'd recommend "backupping" first.
15:45<@heckman>Once on 9.10:
15:45<HoopyCat>atan: i tend to use S3 for that (and for off-site backups)... it wouldn't surprise me if something came down the pipe from linode at some point, but it's a bit of a PITA to do right and there's a number of other options, so dunno
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15:46<@heckman>daj: Also, when upgrading to 9.10 you need to change your kernel in the Linode Manager and make sure devtmpfs is off
15:46<atan>HoopyCat, S3 has not failed you yet? I saw they had some downtime, but maybe it was another offering.
15:46<daj>heckman: so the karmic upgrades are the same instructions "do-relase-upgrade", how do I tell upgrade-manager to use karmic vs lucid?
15:46<@heckman>You wanna switch to the latest Paravirt
15:46<atan>Do they backup your files so there's little rick of major trouble?
15:46<@heckman>You can only go to the next version, so it knows
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15:47<HoopyCat>i think you want as much rick as possible, esp. if you want it to never let you down
15:47<atan>You're lucky it's not Friday.
15:47<jkwood>It's always Friday.
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15:48<HoopyCat>atan: i'm using their reduced redundancy storage option ($0.10/GB/mo instead of $0.15) and have not yet lost a file
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15:48<daj>heckman: its not trying karmic, but failing on lucid
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15:49<@heckman>Did you change your sources.list at all?
15:50<daj>yes, changed them to "deb jaunty main restricted universe multiverse
15:52*heckman has no idea why it'd be doing that
15:52*daj frowns
15:52<HoopyCat>atan: i think S3 is safe against almost any component failure (with a maximum disaster threshold set somewhere between "building hit by meteor" and "single nuclear strike"), but of course, humans can find amazing ways to break things
15:53<@jed>daj: you need to go to 9.10
15:54<HoopyCat>atan: they'll also do versioning of objects, which can protect somewhat against procedural failure (rm -rf /mnt/s3/bukkit/important /.Trash)
15:54<@jed>you might consider redeploying at this point
15:55<sirpengi>it's also generally better to have your backups with a third party. even if s3 exploded and you lost your backups you still have your running linode. that way you're only screwed if both services exploded at the same time
15:56<HoopyCat>if both linode and s3 lose your data at the same time, either you need to watch your e-mail more closely, use better passwords, and/or find a better credit card
15:56<@jed>or learn to love the bomb
15:56<HoopyCat>or else you probably won't care because you've disintegrated into a sparse cloud of individual molecules
15:56<daj>jed: Thanks, been reading those docs
15:57<HoopyCat>HOO PYCAT
15:57<daj>jed: seems sudo do-release-upgrade is not trying to do jaunty -> karmic ('cause its eol?) and subsequently fails on jaunty ->lucid
15:58<HoopyCat>(afk, yard is not yet raking itself)
15:58<@jed>daj: what does /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades say
15:58<@jed>can you pastebin that?
15:58<daj>lemme check
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15:59<linbot>New news from forums: iptables vs. ip6tables in Linux Networking <>
16:00<@jed>/etc/lsb-release? are you actually on 9.04?
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16:01<atan>Okay so setting up phpMyAdmin I and to force https on it. I have the force HTTPS part figured out but Nginx says 'The plain HTTP request was sent to HTTPS port'. Putting $cfg['ForceSSL'] = true; in the config causes Chrome to say too many redirects.
16:01<@jed>daj: no idea
16:01<atan>s/to/want to/
16:01<daj>mwalling : lazy, didn't release it was eol'ed
16:01<@jed>daj: if all else fails, you can shrink your root partition by resizing it down, deploy something newer alongside, then pull your data over
16:01<daj>apt-get upgrade just stopped working... Linode uptimes are so great, I forgot :)
16:01<@jed>you just burned your day, though
16:02<mwalling>daj: heh, dont feel bad, i didnt realize i had a production server running 9.10 until a couple days ago
16:02<daj>jed: yeah, seems that way, I did actually split up in to /home and /var mounts when I went from 8-9
16:02<daj>so it should be a little easier, but, yeah, I figure its a better part of a day
16:03<@jed>that's alright, grab a beer and put the TV on
16:03<@jed>nothing like some memorial day administration
16:04<daj>indeed, thanks for the pointers
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16:04<dr_jkl>tv on? for what?
16:04<dr_jkl>there a game?
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16:05<@jed>daj: np
16:05<@jed>daj: do-release-upgrade has thoroughly hosed a couple of my systems in the past, so you're not missing much anyway :>
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16:07<AviMarcus>hmm so the mibbit web irc client just has a big "connect" button. Much more intuitive than the freenode qwebirc one.
16:07<@zomg>jed: I ran into that problem with the latest ubuntu upgrade guide :/
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16:10<AviMarcus>Oh. but w/o adblocker, that ad..
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16:20<azaghal>Anyone know of some good reliable and decently-priced online storage? (preferably something which can be mounted)
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16:27<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, talking about net splits?
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16:28<SnoFox>Oh, a netsplit.
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16:28<SnoFox>I love netsplits.
16:28<SnoFox>It reminds me of splitting networks.
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16:29<AviMarcus>ah jkwood :)
16:29<AviMarcus>you were the one that mentioned it
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16:30<atan>FreeNode has the same issue right now.
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16:32<AviMarcus>heh indeed. It happened 3 minutes later.
16:33<azaghal>Teh net has split off...
16:33<jkwood>Freenode actually doesn't appear to have split, it appears to have dropped a bunch of clients though.
16:33<azaghal>Heheh... Freenode splits are legendary, though :)
16:34<jkwood>I wouldn't say that. Everyday occurences aren't generally the stuff of legends.
16:35<atan>Hmm. Okay so adding location ~ /phpmyadmin/ { allow; deny all; } causes my PHP to be outputted as text. *gulp*
16:37<AviMarcus>adminer might be a better option than phpmyadmin
16:38<atan>Hmm. Serious? 1 file? ^_^
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16:41<atan>Oh wow, it's fast too. Thanks for the tip, AviMarcus!
16:41<AviMarcus>Someone else pointed it out to me :)
16:42<atan>It's like, way fast. :-)
16:51<ryansully>does anyone know if PHP has a limit to how many sockets it can open at a time
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16:51<Karrde>probabily the nofiles ulimit
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17:09<daj>gents, redeploying linode, 10.04 LTS with "Latest 2.6 Paravirt" kernel: Did someone say to turn off Automount devtmpfs? if so, why?
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17:09<@jed>daj: should be ignoreable
17:10<daj>it was just something to watch out for in a 9.4 -> higher version?
17:10<@jed>one of the 9's specifically, I think
17:10<daj>i see, then I will leave it as-is (enabled)
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17:59<nviror>I'm on windows vista, develped a software in c++ and would like to test it on windows xp, how can i do that?
18:00<jkwood>Very carefully.
18:00<Deezire>Virtual Machine
18:00<nviror>you mean dual boot? or using virtualbox?
18:00<Deezire>jkwood: hah, don't say stuff like that, some people might have coca cola in hand. Cola, everwhere.
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18:00<Deezire>virtualbox would be better
18:01<Deezire>but why on earth are you on two outdated OSes?
18:01<nviror>too lazy to upgrade
18:02<jkwood>Deezire: I have that effect on people. I'd share an anecdote, but my anecdote server is down.
18:02<linbot>New news from forums: httpd fails to start, no other errors in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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18:44<stermi>i guys
18:44<stermi>which is the best way to do a backup without the default linode backupsistem?
18:44<AviMarcus>duplicity to S3, rdiff-backup to/from your home computer..
18:45<AviMarcus>those are amongst the most popular, cheaper options.
18:45<stermi>i mean, how can I do the backup :)
18:45<stermi>sorry I know it's a noob question but this is my first time
18:45<bjorne>oh, I didn't know duplicity had S3 support. thx, AviMarcus :)
18:45<bjorne>or is it simply uploading the duplicity backups to S3?
18:45<stermi>at the moment it's only vps for testing and I'm preparing the envoirnment so it's not a real proble if it will be slow
18:46<AviMarcus>I think it has it's own fuse thing, bjorne, but it can "read" from s3 to see what's stored already, I guess. I haven't used it.
18:46<stermi>so how can I manually create a backup "a snapshot" of the machine and download it?
18:46<SamT>i kie ru
18:47<AviMarcus>this is probably overkill.
18:47<bjorne>AviMarcus: alright. As I understood, whenever duplicity makes a new backup it only "adds on top" of the previous backup, so maybe it isn't even necessary to check what's already there...
18:47<AviMarcus>hmm, and you need to reboot.
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18:47<AviMarcus>bjorne, it has to know what it's on top of.
18:47<bjorne>oh, right :)
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18:47<AviMarcus>and duplicity needs to read all files to restore
18:48<AviMarcus>so, afaik, duplicity has major s3 built-in support.
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18:48<AviMarcus>good I don't need to answer him. I hope he doesn't actually follow that link, was a bad idea to post it.
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18:49<ttaylor>SamT: Your in the Sacramento area, right?
18:51<ryanc>did we have a linode roboot?
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18:52<ttaylor>ryanc: Everything is green for me, you might check to see if you have any tickets relating to that.
18:52<linbot>thanks, SleePy!
18:52<ryanc>my box linode in dallas rebooted
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18:53<ttaylor>ryanc: check your logs, lish, and/or tickets for reasons.
18:53<the|Navigator>ryanc: Did lassie bring it back up?
18:55<SamT>ttaylor: Yes
18:55<ryanc>my graphs have a big empty chunk
18:55<ryanc>i was down for a bit, looks like
18:56<ttaylor>SamT: Antelope area myself
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18:58<SamT>ah, nice
18:58<ryanc>there's a ticket about emergency maintenance but it has do details
18:58<ryanc>#465588 opened by lsabota
18:59<ttaylor>don't know if familar with or not, just started going recently at SMUD
18:59<ryanc>I was an an officer at lugod ~2005-2006
18:59<ryanc>(out in davis)
19:00<ttaylor>As in Davis, CA?
19:00<ttaylor>Used to work in Davis
19:01<ryanc>i moved out of davis 4 1/2 years ago
19:03<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu 10.04 libpam upgrade breaks cron in General Discussion <>
19:04<ttaylor>time to get ready for BBQ.
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19:16<bob2>that thing is freaking me out
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19:20<sirpengi>the girl for yum is way hotter then the girl for aptitude.
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19:27<tw0g>hi, Im trying to install ispconfig, and Im getting hung up, can someone help me troubleshoot?
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19:29<the|Navigator>SpaceHobo: What is this?
19:29<the|Navigator>SpaceHobo: A Japanese website of girls holding linux buzzwords?
19:31<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
19:31<the|Navigator>I laughed at the girl holding 'finger'.
19:32<tw0g>!ask hi, Im trying to install ispconfig, and Im getting hung up, can someone help me troubleshoot?
19:32<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
19:32*the|Navigator headdesks
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19:33<Dedalo>hi guys I fucked my Linode, I really need help
19:34<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
19:34<Dedalo>the problem is that my file system is readonly now
19:34<Dedalo>I need to modify the fstab
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19:35<jkwood>Mmm... magical.
19:35<Dedalo>because I added some parameters to enable acl and when the server starts, it starts now in read only mode
19:35<akerl>Dedalo: Sounds like you want finnix
19:36<Dedalo>I'm trying the rescue mode, fiinnix
19:36<Dedalo>but how can I modify the fstab now?
19:36<jkwood>mount -n -o remount rw /
19:37<jkwood>Alternatively, !finnix
19:37<linbot>Finnix --
19:38<jkwood>Oh good, bad link.
19:38*jkwood fixes the trigger
19:39<Dedalo>I'm already in rescue mode
19:39<Dedalo>but is there a way to access to my real fstab?
19:40<jkwood>It's on your filesystem.
19:40<Dedalo>but fstab is different
19:40<linbot>Finnix --
19:41<Dedalo># /etc/fstab: static file system information.
19:41<Dedalo># <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>
19:41<Dedalo>proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
19:41<Dedalo>ok I use pastebin
19:42<jkwood>Is that from /etc, or from etc/ on your regular disk?
19:43<jkwood>It should be in /media/xvda/etc/
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19:44<Dedalo>I don't see anything in /media/xvda/etc
19:44<danny>Hi all. I need help with HA services. I followed the linode tutorial on Ubuntu 10.04, but pacemaker doesnt start apache2 on my master node. Both are online and Mysql services are working, but not Apache2. Thanks in advance
19:45<echoline>danny: HA? hahahahaha.
19:45<echoline>jk i am extraneous
19:45*echoline stfus
19:45<the|Navigator>echoline: Hilarious HA.
19:45<jkwood>How dare you take my name in vain!
19:45<the|Navigator>I can see the tagline now
19:45<echoline>jkwood: jeff?
19:45<the|Navigator>"HA. It's no laughing matter"
19:46<danny>High Availability if you prefer :)
19:46<echoline>oh i thought it was Hot Ass
19:46<danny>if you prefer too
19:46<echoline>i do also prefer
19:46<echoline>but WHAT
19:47<jkwood>Dedalo: When you set up rescue mode, did you specify that it should mount your root filesystem?
19:47<echoline>parser failure: exiting
19:47<Dedalo>I check
19:47<the|Navigator>echoline: Did you accidentally the whole prefer?
19:48<echoline>the|Navigator: i prefer the hole, overall
19:48<Dedalo>I see /dev/xvda CentOS disk image
19:48<jkwood>What's the output of "mount" ?
19:50<Parallax>So I'm not too familiar with this whole ipv6 thing, what's so great about it?
19:51<akerl>Dedalo: It looks like you didn't configure it to mount your root filesystem
19:51<Dedalo>how can I configure it?
19:51<ryanc>Parallax: we won't run out of ipv6 address space
19:51<Dedalo>from the web panel?
19:51<akerl>Parallax: Greater address space, more security tools, 10 times more awesome
19:52<akerl>Dedalo: Yes. Did you config finnix via a custom configuration profile?
19:52<jkwood>Really, linbot?
19:52<akerl>jkwood: You're just failing the aliases today :p
19:52<Parallax>greater address space is great, but how does it affect me personally?
19:52<Parallax>I mean I have my ipv4 address already :P
19:53<Parallax>Basically, what I'm asking
19:53<akerl>Parallax: Because eventually people won't be able to get ipv4, so if you don't have ipv6, you won't be able to see them, or them you.
19:53<Dedalo>akerl: no I just started the system in rescue mode from the web control panel, and there is no options there
19:53<jkwood>Dedalo: Okay, looks like you don't have the disk mounted. "mount /dev/xvda /media/xvda/"
19:53<jkwood>Then try again to find the fstab.
19:53<Parallax>akerl: sure, at some point far in the future; but as of right now it doesn't really matter, does it
19:53<Parallax>it's not like ipv4 will just stop being used until years and years from now
19:54<jkwood>Parallax: Do you still drive a car that uses leaded gasoline?
19:54<Parallax>Silly analogy considering a VPS can use the equivalent of both leaded and unleaded gasoline
19:54<Dedalo>jkwood: you great!
19:54<Dedalo>trying to modify it
19:54<akerl>Parallax: In his example, "unleaded" == 4and6
19:55<Parallax>how hard is getting ipv6 set up?
19:55<Dedalo>omg I wrote dafaults instead of defaults!
19:55<Dedalo>what a damn stupid I'm
19:55<akerl>Depends on how complicated your config is, and how complicated you want your ipv6 config to be
19:55<jkwood>Dedalo: It pays to reread. =)
19:55<Parallax>I'm literally just running a couple of websites and an irc bouncer, nothing crazy
19:56<akerl>Well it's good that you're not running them figuratively :p
19:56<Dedalo>I try to reboot
19:56<jkwood>Good luck!
19:56<Dedalo>let's see if it works
19:56<Parallax>I guess that's why I'm not too concerned about IPv6, my setup is pretty simple
19:56<Parallax>hah akerl I was gonna say something else but changed my thoughts midsentence :P
19:57<akerl>For simple stuff it should be as simple as repeating the steps for adding an ipv4 address, except with slightly different syntax
19:57<Dedalo>I'm in!
19:57<the|Navigator>Parallax: The simplicity of the setup doesn't change how soon it becomes obsolete
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19:57<Dedalo>thank you very much for your great help guys
19:57<Dedalo>you saved my ass!
19:57<the|Navigator>Parallax: It just makes switching easier and reduces excuses (hey, that rhymes?)
19:57<Parallax>the|Navigator: sure, but it's not like IPv4 is just gonna disappear
19:58<akerl>Parallax: Neither are horses, but I still like having a car
19:58<jkwood>I'll bill you for at my usual ass-saving rate.
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19:58<jkwood>Parallax: I wish it would. It has so many broken "features."
19:58<Parallax>my blog won't run any slower with ipv4 ;)
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19:58<Parallax>I'll obviously upgrade to IPv6 when it becomes the de facto thing
19:58<akerl>Parallax: To an IPv6 only client, it will run ERROR slower, because they will have 0 connection
19:58<jkwood>Actually, if a user has to use a fragmented routed, it will.
19:58<Parallax>but do I need to upgrade *right now*
19:58<the|Navigator>Parallax: Are you sure? A mess of network routing and NATing and so on and so forth...
19:59<akerl>Parallax: You wouldn't happen to be employed in upper management, would you?
19:59<Parallax>of course not
19:59<the|Navigator>Parallax: I dunno, do you want to participate in world ipv6 day?
19:59<Parallax>Boy, do I!
19:59<the|Navigator>Parallax: In that case, you need to hurry up!
19:59<akerl>No, you won't melt and/or explode if you don't have IPv6 this instant. On the other hand, much better to configure and test it now than when it's the de facto standard and your configs turn out to be borked
20:00*akerl directs the|Navigator to his sarcasm detector
20:00*the|Navigator directs akerl to his sarcasm detector
20:01*akerl directs the|Navigator to his sarcasm sarcasm sarcasm detector :p
20:01*the|Navigator directs akerl to go and play in traffic
20:01<akerl>Always a friendly bunch here :-)
20:01*the|Navigator watches his sarcasm detector blow up
20:01<Dedalo>oh great, now ACL works!
20:02<the|Navigator>That was /too/ sarcastic.
20:02<the|Navigator>akerl: You know I'm only playing around. Friends?
20:02<akerl>Yup. Friends
20:02<Parallax>Friends don't let friends run around in traffic
20:02<Parallax>unless they deserve it
20:02*the|Navigator watches the remains of his sarcasm detector blow up a second time.
20:02<the|Navigator>akerl: You're not exactly being truthful, there.
20:02<akerl>Sarcasm detectors don't blow up. They're *totally fine*
20:03*the|Navigator hears a faint *pfft* as the magic smoke leaves his sarcasm detector.
20:03<the|Navigator>No, magic smoke! Come back!
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20:03<the|Navigator>I hate accidentally releasing magic smoke in computer internals.
20:04<Parallax>so does IPv6 affect bandwidth in any way?
20:04<Parallax>well, let me rephrase
20:04<akerl>Parallax: Packets are bigger, but otherwise, it affects bandwidth pretty much like ipv4 and ipv32
20:05<Parallax>I have a VPS with another provider that posted this on their forums
20:05<Parallax>In order to encourage usage of IPv6, we will not be metering traffic that uses
20:05<Parallax>IPv6 until Jan 1st 2012. That's right, not only do you get native IPv6, you
20:05<Parallax>get unmetered data transfer over IPv6 for the rest of the year!
20:05<Parallax>So I was wondering if IPv6 was easier/cheaper bandwidth wise or something
20:05<ajmitch_>they're probably trying to encourage people to move to ipv6
20:05<Parallax>or if that's just a loss-making incentive
20:05<bob2>it's a stunt
20:05<bob2>since you basically can't push much ipv6 traffic
20:05<the|Navigator>It's not TRULY UNMETERED, is it though?
20:05<the|Navigator>It's overselling
20:06<Parallax>I'm sure if I start blowing out the pipes they'll tell me to knock it off
20:06<bob2>the|Navigator: #obvious-troll-is-obvious
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20:06<Parallax>But at the same time I guess they'll let you go over your limits without caring too much
20:06<the|Navigator>If you start uploading legal torrents over IPv6 for instance
20:06<Parallax>But I mean unmetered IPv6 isn't that big of a deal since the vast majority of people will still be on IPv4 am I right
20:07<akerl>Parallax: Spin up a VPS over there, and toss up a file download. Lets see how much bandwidth we can gank before they suddenly start metering that ipv6
20:07<Parallax>so I'll still be using a majority of my IPv4 bw
20:08<Parallax>also, one more question
20:08<Parallax>if my ifconfig shows 'inet6 addr: fe80::fcfd:42ff etc.' does that mean I'm set up for IPv6?
20:08<Parallax>or is that an internal IPv6 IP
20:08<akerl>fe80 is local
20:08<bob2>that's site-local
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20:09<akerl>Parallax: What DC are you in?
20:09<Parallax>that's the IPv6 version of I guess?
20:09<Parallax>We just got IPv6 iirc
20:09<ajmitch_>no, it's a link-local address, ::1 is the equivalent of
20:09<bob2>more the ipv6 version of those 169 addresses
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20:10<Parallax>ah ok
20:11<Parallax>I just have to submit a ticket to get IPv6 activated, right?
20:11<danny>anyone here has some experience with cluster manager hearbeat/pacemaker ?
20:11<ajmitch_>& then reboot (iirc) once it's assigned
20:11<the|Navigator>Parallax: And beg them
20:11<Kyhwana>Parallax: and reboot
20:11<encode>Parallax: plus a reboot
20:11<Parallax>well yeah a reboot too
20:11<the|Navigator>Parallax: And send them a crate of beer
20:11<ajmitch_>then eth0 will pick up a global address, no configuration needed there if you just want a single address
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20:12<the|Navigator>Parallax: And promise to always laugh at their jokes
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20:12<Parallax>That's a promise I can't keep
20:12<HoopyCat>danny: i use heartbeat for my load balancers
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20:12<the|Navigator>Parallax: No IPv6 for you then.
20:12<HoopyCat>Parallax: PROTIP: don't be a fool; request an IPv6 pool
20:12<akerl>+1 on the pool
20:13<Parallax>is it free?
20:13*ajmitch_ still hasn't seen a need to get a pool of addresses yet
20:13<bob2>Parallax: yes
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20:13<Parallax>I don't foresee myself using more than 1 but OK
20:13<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: Unless you're in London, where IPv4's are abundan.......t
20:13<ajmitch_>but I'm not running multiple sites on https
20:13<the|Navigator>HoopyCat: It doesn't rhyme.
20:13<bob2>ajmitch_: irc vanity hostnames duh
20:13<akerl>ajmitch_: I look at it as "I might want them some day, and don't feel like rebooting"
20:13<Parallax>isn't IP hoarding what caused the IPv4 situation in the first place?
20:13<ajmitch_>bob2: requires reverse dns!
20:13<the|Navigator>Parallax: You can't hoard IPv6s.
20:13<ajmitch_>bob2: and for that I have a tunnel
20:13<Parallax>or is IPv6 un-run-out-able
20:13<encode>pool of ipv6 will be great for ssl sites
20:14<bob2>ajmitch_: haha, indeed
20:14<synapt>It's still a finite resource
20:14<akerl>Parallax: If every person on the planet took 25 pools, of 4096 addresses each, we'd still have left overs
20:14<bob2>Parallax: no
20:14<HoopyCat>Parallax: i believe it is physically impossible to run out of IPv6 addresses
20:14<synapt>we'll just likely never see it run out in our lifetime
20:14<synapt>(hopefully anyways)
20:14<the|Navigator>Parallax: I think they said we have enough addresses to address every grain of sand on every beach in the world?
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20:14<Parallax>haha awesome
20:14<bob2>Parallax: reclaiming all the 16-million-ip blocks from big companies would only put off the inevitable for less than a year
20:14<Jerub>HoopyCat: i firmly believe through systematic mismanagement and incompetence it is possible to run out of them.
20:14<bob2>Jerub: do you think IANA and the RIRs have what it takes to mismanage 2^64 /64s?
20:15<ajmitch_>bob2: they don't have to, they can just hand them out a /24 at a time, or larger blocks
20:15<jkwood>Jerub: Absolutely not. Mathematically impossible.
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20:15<ajmitch_>jkwood: all addresses can be assigned to organisations, it doesn't mean they have to be used
20:16<ajmitch_>people can be very creative at screwing things up, you know
20:16<bob2>ajmitch_: ahh
20:16<bob2>"delegation" eh
20:16<ajmitch_>it's just unlikely that they'll do that with the current allocation policies
20:16<Jerub>jkwood: maths is hard! allocate 250 or so /8 addresses to large organsiations. bang. we've run out.
20:16<Parallax>Anything special I need to say in my ticket besides 'can I please have an ipv6 pool assigned to my linode'?
20:17<akerl>Jerub: Because that'll happen any day now...
20:17<akerl>Parallax: Nope.
20:17<bob2>Parallax: 'v6 pool plz' is probably plenty
20:17<bob2>Parallax: mine took < 90s to be activated
20:17<ajmitch_>"wtb ipv6 pool for teh lulz"
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20:18<synapt>it might be worth noting there are already many /8's reserved
20:18-!-yb [] has joined #linode
20:18<synapt>mostly just a ton of /4-/8's by IETF
20:18<the|Navigator>What is the fewest characters it would take to request an IPv6 pool from linode?
20:18<Jerub>akerl: I was reacting to "physically impossible to run out of IPv6 addresses", which is demonstratably false.
20:19<akerl>Well, obviously. Anything in finite number has a point of exhaustion
20:19<dominikh>even the weight of urmom
20:19<Jerub>oh course. so i'm correct in every way and you agree with me wholeheartedly. excellent.
20:19<jkwood>If they're able to hand them out willy-nilly, they can take them back willy-nilly, too.
20:19<Parallax>OK Linode just blew my goddamn mind
20:19<akerl>Parallax: That's what they do
20:19<Parallax>Less than 30 seconds and it's assigned
20:20<Parallax>I just did unspeakable things in my pants
20:20*linbot did too
20:20<akerl>Really? there's a trigger for that?
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20:21<bob2>linbot is all powerful
20:21<linbot>Ha ha ha. Triggers.
20:21<Kyhwana>I like how comcast is using DoD v4 space and Hamachi is doing the same for it's "VPN" thing with 5/8
20:21<linbot>I triggered urmom
20:21<jkwood>linbot, you sultry minx.
20:22*linbot purrs
20:22<ajmitch_>Kyhwana: it does make things a bit problematic if those /8s were ever returned to the global pool
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20:22<ajmitch_>like parts of 1/8 can't be used now
20:22<Kyhwana>ajmitch_: 5/8 is assigned to RIPE NCC I believe
20:23<@jed>synapt: if you mean the multicast ranges, there was discussion about reusing them but too many IPv4 stacks are programmed to think they're multicast
20:23<Kyhwana>and I think they've assigned a few blocks of that around as well as as bogons
20:23<bob2>reclaiming multicast and all of 1/8 and all the DoD space gains us like 3 months
20:23<@jed>synapt: the multicast /3 is unfortunately burnt
20:23<bob2>everyone just needs to get on their ipv6 bikes
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20:24<@jed>oh, in v6 land - thought you meant the reservations of IPv4
20:24<synapt>I know there's a bunch still reserved for IPv4
20:24<ajmitch_>most of the reserved space in ipv6 at the moment is for future use
20:24<synapt>the US gov alone has a CRAP TON
20:24<@jed>the multicast range is way too big in IPv4
20:24<@jed>no idea what they thought was going to use that much
20:25<@jed>hm, maybe
20:25<HoopyCat>and now, the *rest* of the story
20:26<encode>fences are overrated?
20:26<encode>or a different story
20:26<ajmitch_>the story that 'reserved' doesn't mean 'unusable for all time'
20:27<@jed>surprised they didn't just give a /3 to each RIR and call it a day
20:27<@jed>I mean, it's v6
20:27<ajmitch_>that way lies madness
20:27<ajmitch_>but yeah, the allocations of /23s looks a bit odd
20:27<@jed>life would be awesome if that were the case
20:27<@jed>oh, address starts with 3, it's from RIE
20:28<the|Navigator>I like watching the number of IPv4s slowly count down
20:28<bd_>jed: Which is a problem if you ever need more than eight RIRs...
20:28<ajmitch_>routes are only announced by ASN anyway, so you shouldn't see a block that large in the routing table
20:28<bob2>jed: MarsIR is gonna be pissed
20:28<@jed>bd_: well, in theory, we're all going to drift together eventually anyway, right?
20:28<@jed>less RIRs eventually, right?
20:29<the|Navigator>APNIC's supposedly down to 75,000 /24s
20:29<Parallax>is that what I'm looking for?
20:29<HoopyCat>what are you looking for?
20:29<Parallax>my IPv6 in ifconfig
20:29<linbot>this droid
20:29<ajmitch_>that's because APNIC is in their final ipv4 allocation phase, where each member can get a /22
20:29<HoopyCat>ifconfig? are you running windows?
20:29<dominikh>windows would be ipconfig :P
20:30<HoopyCat>oh right
20:30<ajmitch_>'ip addr show'
20:30<@jed>Parallax: ip > ifconfig
20:30<@jed>ip -6 addr
20:30<HoopyCat>Parallax: ip -6 addr, it'll be the one that says 'scope global'
20:31<bob2>ajmitch_: new plan: let's start an isp, get a /22 and sell them all for vanity irc hostnames!
20:31<Parallax>I don't see a scope global
20:31<the|Navigator>The RIRs between them appear to have about 1.3 million /24s
20:31<the|Navigator>How long will they last?
20:31<bob2>Parallax: did you reboot since you asked linode for teh ipv6?
20:31<Parallax>bob2: yep
20:31<HoopyCat>Parallax: do you have any firewalling configured that might be blocking ICMP traffic?
20:31<ajmitch_>bob2: great plan, got the APNIC membership fee? :)
20:31<Parallax>HoopyCat: nope
20:31<bob2>ajmitch_: I'm the ideas man
20:31<praetorian>ajmitch_: ill sell you one for 2.5 million
20:31<HoopyCat>Parallax: are you running centos or some crazy shit like that?
20:32<Parallax>Ubuntu 11.04
20:32<Parallax>do I need to do something in the control panel?
20:32<ajmitch_>praetorian: zimbabwean dollars?
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20:33<HoopyCat>Parallax: hrm... pastebin the output of 'ip addr', 'ip neigh', 'ip -6 route', 'iptables -L -n -v', and 'ip6tables -L -n -v'
20:33<@jed>Parallax: only reboot once we turn you up
20:33<the|Navigator>ip neigh? Checking the IP of a horse?
20:33<HoopyCat>the|Navigator: nay
20:34<linbot>Did you mean: Nayonaise
20:34<praetorian>ajmitch_: for you, i'll settle on kiwi dollars
20:34<the|Navigator>Look at my horse, my horse is amazing, give it a lick, it tastes just like IPv6.]
20:34<ajmitch_>praetorian: kind of you, but I think I'll pass
20:34<bob2>I see mikegrb is hard at work today
20:34<Parallax>HoopyCat: sure thing
20:34<Parallax>jed: what do you mean? They posted it was activated in my ticket
20:35<akerl>Parallax: Yes, they activate your linode for ipv6, then you reboot to snag it.
20:35<Parallax>Lemme try one more reboot
20:35<Parallax>akerl: I did
20:35<Parallax>no IPv6
20:35<praetorian>ajmitch_: aww
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20:41<Parallax>HoopyCat: ready for the wall of text?
20:41<Parallax>I meant in Pastebin :)
20:41<Parallax>I'd be nuts to paste 200 lines in here :P
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20:42<Parallax>Rebooted twice so far
20:42<ComputerChris>If I follow Lindoe's Library will my VPS be as secure enough?
20:42<HoopyCat>Parallax: so remember how i asked you "do you have any firewalling configured that might be blocking ICMP traffic?" and you said "nope"?
20:42<Parallax>HoopyCat: you have to remember that I'm dumb
20:43<bob2>Parallax: you are blocking all ipv6 traffic including the bit where it tells your kernel to use ipv6
20:43<Parallax>also, I def. haven't installed a firewall
20:43<akerl>ComputerChris: What services are you running?
20:43<ComputerChris>@akerl Just a Wordpress Blog
20:44<akerl>ComputerChris: Then you're insecure
20:44<Parallax>bob2: this is a fresh install of Ubuntu
20:44<Parallax>I haven't touched a thing
20:44<bob2>someone did
20:44<ajmitch_>Parallax: a fresh install of ubuntu has a firewall
20:44<HoopyCat>Parallax: looks like you've installed ufw; i think there's some config option to make it do IPv6
20:44<ajmitch_>check /etc/default/ufw
20:44<ajmitch_>there's probably a line saying "IPV6=no" in it
20:45<HoopyCat>as of yesterday afternoon, linode's 10.04 image did not have ufw, but i just realized this is 11.04 we're talking about
20:45<HoopyCat>so up is what i shall be shutting
20:46<ajmitch_>yeah, I'm running 10.04 on linode, so can't check it easily
20:46*ajmitch_ is looking at 11.04, once this vm boots
20:47<Parallax>uninstalled ufw, rebooted
20:47<Parallax>got a scope:global now
20:47<akerl>That'd be it
20:47<Parallax>Thanks guys, you rule
20:47*ajmitch_ wouldn't have gone with the uninstalling, but whatever works for you :)
20:47<Parallax>I'll reinstall it and futz with the config a bit
20:47<bob2>now check that removing the firewall hasn't left you openz to the world
20:48<Parallax>is there a firewall preferable to ufw or should I stick with ufw?
20:48<HoopyCat>i don't always use fancy firewall scripts, but when i do, i use ufw
20:48<eyecool>Found this cute "small footprint" nginx + php-fpm + nds + db (mysql or maria) instal script for centos:
20:49<Parallax>stay thirsty
20:49<eyecool>tried it out last night... it was pretty nice
20:49<eyecool>called "centmin"
20:49<Parallax>yeah eyecool I've tried it out too
20:49<Parallax>it's nice
20:49<HoopyCat>but i usually do it by hand, since i'm really lazy
20:49<bob2>what a winning os
20:49<Parallax>but I don't liek centos
20:49<bob2>prompt security updates are for LOSERS
20:49<ajmitch_>for some reason, quite a few people run centos
20:49<bob2>WINNERS roll their own security fixes for archaic packages
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20:49<eyecool>Parallax: how do you roll?
20:49<Parallax>Ubuntu 11.04
20:50<eyecool>lemme guess.. ubuntu!
20:50*ajmitch_ was saddened to see a local hosting provider advertising servers with "debian 3 or 4"
20:50<Parallax>eyecool: I might give CentOS 6 a try
20:50<bob2>ajmitch_: at least you can upgrade sensibly ;p
20:50<eyecool>why do ppl go with ubuntu over debian for servers?
20:50<HoopyCat>the linode natty 32-bit image does not install ufw by default
20:50<HoopyCat>(and it picks up ipv6 autoconf fine)
20:51<ajmitch_>bob2: true, but it didn't fill me with confidence
20:51<bob2>eyecool: they may be used to it
20:51<HoopyCat>eyecool: i run ubuntu on my workstation and netbook, so it's kinda nice to have the same OS/version across the board
20:51<bob2>eyecool: or it may be that the last LTS is more recent than the last debian stable
20:51<bob2>HoopyCat: lts on a workstation?
20:51<ajmitch_>eyecool: some people like the 5 year support period for LTS releases
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20:52*ajmitch_ has lucid on the work desktop as well, it works well enough
20:52<eyecool>but ubuntu desktop to debian server shouldn't be a big leap... in the sense that os x + any *nix works good enough
20:52<HoopyCat>bob2: yup. it doesn't seem to be a problem...
20:52<bob2>sid 4 lyf here
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20:53<Parallax>Debian 6 is squeeze right?
20:53<bob2>eyecool: well, sometimes
20:53<ComputerChris>What's the best web server out?
20:54<eyecool>ComputerChris: nginx
20:54<akerl>ComputerChris: IIS
20:54<HoopyCat>eyecool: being able to exactly mirror the production environment on my desktop is another big plus
20:54<bob2>ComputerChris: too vague
20:55<HoopyCat>ComputerChris: i wrote my own in python once. it was the best web server i've ever written.
20:55<eyecool>HoopyCat: makes sense, the more I think about it... I guess I still think of Ubuntu as desktop and debian as server or an embeddable os...
20:55<eyecool>the # of ubuntu servers out in the while blows my mind
20:56<bob2>eyecool: over 9000!
20:56<eyecool>ComputerChris: Spider Man serves a good web ???
20:56<eyecool>9000? yeah... 9,000 on linodes, alone
20:57<eyecool>they're freaking everywhere
20:57<HoopyCat>eyecool: there are some structural differences between ubuntu and debian (upstart, for one), but the packages/configurations are pretty much the same for serverish stuff
20:57<daj>Yeah!: mostly successful redeploy from 9.04 -> 10.04
20:58<daj>left lots undone, but I'm functional again: thanks for the help guys (will now watch EOL dates for Ubuntu releases more closely)
20:58<HoopyCat>eyecool: (PPAs are also kind of a killer ubuntu feature, too... i mean, nothing special there, really, but hoorah for the free build farm)
20:58<bob2>daj: you've got 58 months to worry about that
20:58<HoopyCat>daj: 10.04 should be good until 2015
20:59<HoopyCat>daj: LTS forever!
20:59<@caker>eyecool: why the Ubuntu-as-server disbelief? It's a fine setup
20:59<daj>exactly, LTS ftw
21:02<HoopyCat>random observation: when you're just randomly poking around with crap, i really appreciate having the display group in within line-of-sight of the nasty destruction buttons. reassurance ftw: Linodes » (Sandbox) » gretel
21:02<HoopyCat>Linodes » (Production) » framboise <---
21:04<eyecool>caker: because Ubuntu is a desktop OS with a server edition and Debian is a one release for all..
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21:05<HoopyCat>ubuntu is also one release for all(*); they've just got a marketing budget
21:05<eyecool>I guess it's a testament to how many ubuntu desktop users there are... that ubuntu carves a huge inroad in to the web server market
21:06<HoopyCat>(*) desktop LTS is apparently only three years, i believe
21:07<@caker>it's the same 'edition' you just install more packages (like a GUI)
21:08<HoopyCat>root@gretel:~# apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
21:08<HoopyCat>0 upgraded, 1028 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
21:08<eyecool>but, we can all agree that Ubuntu facilitates linux as a desktop for ppl around the world.... better than and unlike any other linux distro has for the desktop
21:08<akerl>eyecool: That's what we call marketing
21:08<MarkJ_>or kubuntu-desktop for KDE users..
21:08<eyecool>akerl: marketing in what direction?
21:09<HoopyCat>eyecool: so what you're saying is that debian is an inferior linux distribution :-)
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21:09<akerl>"Ubuntu facilitates linux as a desktop for ppl around the world...."
21:09<eyecool>HoopyCat: NO! :)
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21:11<bob2>r u trolling
21:12<eyecool>trolling for tuna
21:13<eyecool>I don't know who brought it up... I'm not bashing either.. both seem great.. I've used Debian as a server, in a limited amount... the OS has a long tail
21:13<bob2>like a fox
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21:13<yb>I'm seeing some big inbound traffic and io spikes on one of my linodes, I'm not seeing anything unusual in netstat. Any suggestions on what I should be looking at?
21:13<bob2>your logs
21:13<eyecool>Ubuntu (# of users) never ceases to amaze me... if I were to run linux as a desktop, I'd definitely go Ubuntu
21:13<akerl>eyecool: That's silly
21:14<eyecool>akerl: what is?
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21:14<akerl>Because newer Ubuntus come with bloat that is going to rival windows
21:14<bob2>please don't spread misinformation
21:14<HoopyCat>yb: hmm... what sorts of services are running? 'iotop' and (i think but my brain is melted today) 'ntop' can help track down real-time I/O and network usage, too
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21:15<akerl>bob2: Have you ran Unity yet?
21:15-!-bbeausej [] has quit []
21:15<bob2>akerl: no
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21:15<bob2>akerl: but please don't spread such silly misinformation
21:15<eyecool>akerl: I'm very happy w/ my current (non windoze) OS
21:15<yb>nginx, php-fpm, memcached
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21:16<iaian>called documents) - just wondering how to get it to mount inn ubuntu
21:16<rnowak>I found HoopyCat:
21:16<iaian>hey there, just added a new disk image in ubuntu
21:16<HoopyCat>yb: hrm... so not generally the sort of thing that attracts a lot of inbound traffic
21:16<iaian>called documents - just wondering how to get it to mount in ubuntu
21:16<eyecool>s3fuse us up the bomb
21:17<HoopyCat>iaian: in your linode's configuration profile, you'll need to bind the image to a device (e.g. /dev/xvdc)
21:17<akerl>bob2: Am I allowed to call him on that one :p
21:18<bob2>iaian: /dev/xvdb /media/documents ext3 noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1
21:18<iaian>hoppycat ah, that;s what im missing
21:18<bob2>iaian: ^ put that in /etc/fstab, 'sudo mkdir /media/documents', 'sudo mount -a'
21:18<bob2>a separate partition for documents is a bit uh interesting though
21:18<iaian>bob2 im only seeing xvda and xvdb which seem to be ubuntu and the swap
21:18<iaian>well - what i want to do is have a partition so i can do remote backups from my windows
21:19<iaian>not sure this si the best way to go about it - but i can't seem to even find the disk image!
21:19<bob2>why do you feel a partition helps with this goal
21:19<HoopyCat>iaian: click the dropdown box next to /dev/xvdc on the configuration profile, and you should be able to select the image there
21:19<HoopyCat>(it will pick up the configuration profile change on the next reboot)
21:20<iaian>hoopycat ah, i see, that's what i was ,missing!
21:22<iaian>although - i fear i'll have issues trying to samba an ext3 partition
21:24<akerl>iaian: Why are you trying to create a new partition on your linode as a method of backing up your home system:?
21:24<HoopyCat>it works reasonably well; a file's a file
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21:27<iaian>akerl well, i want to be able to have a network drive on windows - via. encrypted samba i suppose - so that i can copy files there to have some form of remote backup - having them on a seperate partition seemed as good as any
21:27<mwalling>caker: whats the plural of whois?
21:27<iaian>not sure how well this idea might work though - but in principle i want a dropbox equivilent hosted on my linode
21:27<bob2>use a backup tool
21:28<akerl>iaian: I really would suggest checking out dropbox or s3, or another tool designed for this.
21:28<bob2>spideroak at least doesn't let their employees read your files
21:28<iaian>akerl: but dropbox host on their own servers? id rather make use of some of my linode
21:29<SelfishMan>mwalling: whoises
21:29<akerl>If you're still set on a self-hosted solution, I'd use rsync or such and script a backup. If it's textish files, I might even use git
21:29<HoopyCat>i probably wouldn't use s3 directly, for roughly the same reason i probably wouldn't use an smbmount off of my linode directly (latency and being reliant on network)
21:29<@caker>mwalling: whoises
21:30<mwalling>that just feels wrong
21:30<HoopyCat>mwalling: whoiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
21:30<mwalling>HoopyCat: ++\
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21:30<HoopyCat>or whoi's
21:30<@caker>atlas->atlases, glass->glasses, guess->guesses
21:30<iaian>hmm, interesting? it seemed a fairly practical solution to make use of the excess GB's of space i have?
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21:30<@jed>the plural of whois is whois
21:31<Pascalcmoi>Hi, with the linode 512 how many ip do i get
21:31<HoopyCat>iaian: i've been chewing with this for awhile, but not with windows
21:31<linbot>All Linodes include one IPv4 address. If you need more IPs, you can open a support ticket and provide technical justification. Additional IPs are $ 1.00 per month.
21:31<bob2>Pascalcmoi: one
21:31<bob2>Pascalcmoi: same as all linodes
21:31<HoopyCat>Pascalcmoi: one IPv4 address
21:31<Kyhwana>Pascalcmoi: one, or 1024 v6's
21:31<bob2>Pascalcmoi: if you can pay $1/month more and justify it, you can have more
21:31<Kyhwana>(assuming your DC supports it)
21:31<@caker>Kyhwana: 4096
21:31<Kyhwana>caker: oop, I stand corrected
21:32<Pascalcmoi>with one ip can i create more than one vhost
21:32<SelfishMan>I fear we will run out of IPv6 address space sooner than expected
21:32<mwalling>Pascalcmoi: yes, welcome to HTTP 1.2
21:32<mwalling>er, 1.1
21:32<HoopyCat>technically speaking, 1 IPv6 address per linode and 4096 IPv6 addresses per account per datacenter
21:32<Pascalcmoi>mwailling i mean vhost for bnc
21:32<SelfishMan>pretty sure IPv6 will be utilized if we ever attempt to colonize elsewhere
21:32<mwalling>MY NAME IS NOT WAILING
21:32<akerl>caker: Has policy changed from allowing 1 extra ip without justification
21:33<HoopyCat>bnc? not sure what RF connectors have to do with this
21:33<@caker>akerl: yup
21:33<Kyhwana>Pascalcmoi: no
21:33<akerl>or Roger
21:33<mwalling>so, what is the performance impact of bringing up 4096 ips on one machine?
21:33<HoopyCat>mwalling: that's why it is in beta
21:33<Jerub>mwalling: somewhere between 'negligable' and 'none'
21:33*HoopyCat works on a for loop
21:34<@jed>mwalling: I've seen an entire /16 up under Linux before
21:34<mwalling>jed: whats that do to the system though?
21:34<bob2>mwalling: it makes 'ip a' very very slow
21:34<@jed>seemed fine, took patching the kernel to get there, though
21:34<Pascalcmoi>so i obtain 4096 ipv6 ip and 1 ipv4 adress?
21:34<bob2>mwalling: otherwise appears fine
21:34<bob2>/18 is possible without patching
21:34<bob2>Pascalcmoi: 4097
21:34<Defenestrator>jed: a /16? O_o that seems... odd?
21:35<bob2>Pascalcmoi: you sure are sounding dodgy now though
21:36<Defenestrator>I imagine that does do some odd things for performance
21:36<Pascalcmoi>so if i wanna more than one ipv6 i need a reason, but i get 4097 ipv6 adress?
21:36<Pascalcmoi>one ipv4*
21:36<@jed>a casual google indicates that on receive, a binary search is required per packet
21:36<mwalling>Pascalcmoi: yes,
21:36<Pascalcmoi>oh yes
21:36<Pascalcmoi>i understand
21:36<atan>Is there any point to running your own mail server when you can use Google Apps? :-)
21:37<Defenestrator>atan: fun, or specialized needs.
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21:37<Jerub>atan: certainly.
21:37<HoopyCat>atan: when you need more than 10 users on a shoestring budget, or have multiple domains, or have needs
21:37<atan>I mean, is the fight to stay off spam lists worth it? :D
21:37<Pascalcmoi>but, ipv6 will replace ipv4 when? it like 10 years i heard that but this never coming
21:37<A-KO>it'sh ere
21:37<A-KO>being deployed
21:37<bob2>atan: it's not hard to avoid being blacklisted
21:37<Jerub>atan: legally, many businesses can't outsource their email.
21:38<Defenestrator>In the general case, you probably want to just let Google handle it. Their spam filtering's hard to beat, and for that matter so are their prices.
21:38<Kyhwana>Pascalcmoi: it won't replace it for ever, but ipv6 is in the process of being dployed. Ask your hosters/serviecs for v6 access
21:38<bob2>and largely it's just asshats that still use collateral-damage-BLs
21:39<Jerub>atan: i run a few mail servers (somewhere between 5 and 10k) and it takes a serious amount of effort to do something wrong enough to cause you to be blacklisted.
21:39<HoopyCat>root@hansel:~# bash /tmp/
21:39<HoopyCat>RTNETLINK answers: Cannot allocate memory
21:39<bob2>WHAT'S UP DIKE
21:39<HoopyCat>afk, flames
21:39<atan>But now Apps has all the cool features from gmail that people love... =\
21:40<mwalling>HoopyCat: lolwut
21:40<@jed>all this time you guys are spending figuring this out could be spent breaking nodebalancers
21:40<@jed>just saying
21:40<atan>jed, go call your omegle friend
21:41<atan>I believe he's still using iframes for 'load balancing'
21:41<mwalling>jed: sorry, building rail system
21:41<Kyhwana>jed: ?
21:41*jed points at /topic
21:41*Kyhwana doesn't generate enough load to bother with load banacers
21:43<ajmitch_>what sort of cost will it be once beta is over?
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21:43<@jed>we haven't decided yet
21:43<mwalling>jed: has bd_ touched it yet?
21:43<@jed>#linode-beta if you want to get down on it, some good feedback being generated
21:43<atan>$5 per 100 connections.
21:43<@jed>mwalling: no, I'm waiting for him to
21:43<atan>Please :P that is
21:43<mwalling>bd_: !!!
21:44<atan>jed, do they support UDP?
21:44<Pascalcmoi>so with 4097 ip, the bnc software will crash while listing
21:44<bob2>what udp service do you feel the need to load balance
21:44<bob2>Pascalcmoi: ha ha bnc
21:44<@jed>bob2: DNS, he's the second person to ask
21:44<atan>bob2, voip traffic
21:44<Pascalcmoi>bob2: well its useful to hide the ip
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21:46<magicalfruit>Yeah, until they all have to use their home connections when your service gets DDoSed.
21:46<@zomg>magicalfruit: !
21:47<atan>Anyone have tips on a great simple mail server?
21:48<atan>For use on Debian
21:48<HoopyCat>mwalling: ... looks like ~2048 is about all i can do without breaking shit
21:48<Defenestrator>for SMTP, you probably want Postfix. Maybe Exim, but probably Postfix
21:48<bob2>atan: postfix
21:48<atan>For POP3/IMAP
21:48<mwalling>atan: postfix
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21:48<mwalling>atan: mail servers dont do pop or imap
21:48<mwalling>atan: pop and imap servers do pop and imap
21:49<atan>So there's nothing plug & play that I can just drop a new user into a mysql table or something?
21:49<HoopyCat>atan: you'll need a mail transport agent (MTA) to speak SMTP, some sort of other thing to speak IMAP, plus some sort of thing to handle spam filtering (if you're accepting mail from the internet) and virus scanning (if you have users that run windows and lack brains)
21:50<HoopyCat>atan: it's pretty close to plug and play, as mail server configuration goes, and it does let you drop new users into a mysql table
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21:51<atan>HoopyCat, now perhaps you have some sick idea for webmail? :-)
21:51<bob2>in a post-gmail world all free webmail tools suck
21:52<HoopyCat>gmail has spoiled us all
21:52<mwalling>why dont you want to use gmail again?
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21:53<atan>Well see, I'm *this* close to getting my clients to move to Google Apps free. Everyone is under 10 users, so it's free...
21:53<akerl>atan: What's stopping you?
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21:54<atan>akerl, not a thing. I'm iffy about the $5/head after the 10 users though. Someone with 20 people would be another $50/month
21:54<akerl>$5 overhead?
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21:54<atan>Isn't it $5 per account?
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21:54<akerl>On google apps? You don't pay til you hit 50
21:55<akerl>Unless they've changed it up
21:55<sirpengi>they've lowered it.
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21:55<akerl>Ugh. For new accounts? or all?
21:55<linbot>New news from forums: FIXED: IPv6 node address validation in Current Betas <>
21:55<sirpengi>new accounts. you might be able to get more if you email them and ask nicely
21:55<atan>Well there is still the freebie,
21:55<bob2>which is fucking cheap
21:56<atan>I feel like they're moving that direction anyway so maybe it's just how it is
21:56<sirpengi>solution: buy a $10/year domain for every 10 users
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21:57<atan>Or split it up, then setup a catch-all to watch for and forward...
21:57<bob2>be less of a tightass
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21:58<atan>But Google just canned Translate API, who knows what is next :D
21:58<checkers>did they??
21:58<bob2>$50/year/user to not worry about email and calendaring and contacts is a tiny price to pay
21:58<eyecool>cool feature request: comments for the stack scripts pages.
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21:59<eyecool>bob2, what's crazy is that rackspace has the same thing for $24/year
21:59<akerl>rackspace has gmail?
21:59<sirpengi> <- from the source
21:59<bob2>eyecool: except it is rackspace blah blah instead of gmail + calendar + contacts + google docs
21:59<eyecool>not gmail, but hosted email/calendars.etc
22:00<bob2>eyecool: I can do shitty email and calendar hosting for $24/year too
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22:01<eyecool>bob2, I've never used their email service... BUT they also offer jungle disk + sharepoint + ms exchange
22:01<Pascalcmoi>why you dont support paypal :(
22:01<eyecool>that's a sweet spot for smbs
22:01<atan>I believe Google Apps supports exchange access as well.
22:01<akerl>Pascalcmoi: Are you asking or trolling?
22:01<bob2>eyecool: wow awesome that's so great
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22:02<bob2>Pascalcmoi: yeah, all legit businesses use and offer paypal!
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22:02<Pascalcmoi>i do not have a cc
22:03<akerl>Pascalcmoi: You have no credit/debit
22:03<Pascalcmoi>nip card? yes
22:03<eyecool>bob2: like I said, I've never used it, but it's a sweet spot for small businesses
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22:03<akerl>Pascalcmoi: Does your card have a visa/mastercard/etc logo on it?
22:03<anrxc>my newark linode is lagging like crazy
22:03<anrxc>5 packets transmitted, 2 received, 60% packet loss, time 4012ms
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22:03<akerl>anrxc: paste of mtr?
22:04<anrxc>if anyone has information let me know
22:04<Pascalcmoi>akerl: no
22:04<db3l>anrxc: Yeah, I was just seeing the same thing, but only on one of my nodes. Other Newark nodes were ok.
22:04<bob2>eyecool: I'm pretty confident the only advantage is that it is cheaper
22:04<anrxc>db3l: cool, thanks
22:04<db3l>It seems to have started improving over the past minute or so, but I was seeing 70% loss for a short bit there.
22:04<Kyhwana>paypal is too dodgy
22:05<eyecool>bob2: it's got to be easier too... switching from outlook to gmail is hard on a non technical business owner
22:05<bob2>eyecool: then don't do that
22:05<bob2>eyecool: use outlook with google
22:06<eyecool>bob2: good point
22:06<Pascalcmoi>Kyhwana: why
22:06<anrxc>akerl: unfortunately my dsl broke shortly after before i did a traceroute and now i can no longer reproduce, it's good
22:07*eyecool slaps himself across the face
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22:07<anrxc>akerl: my jabber bot lost outgoing connectivity from the node at the time as well
22:07<Kyhwana>Pascalcmoi: besides them stealing your money, people scamming you through it, etcetc.
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22:07<akerl>anrxc: Lacking an mtr, my bet is going to be an error between you and the dc
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22:08<anrxc>no ^ see what i said about the bot
22:08<anrxc>anyway, gone now, thanks
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22:08<db3l>akerl: Or a transient nearer to the DC, since it impacted me as well.
22:08<akerl>db3l: That's what I meant by "between you and the dc". Somewhere in the route
22:09<Dedalo>I go to sleep, GN you all
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22:10<db3l>Probably - I'm not quite as willing to eliminate the DC itself though since there's some multi-path stuff going on inside there. Probably not worth worrying too much I guess since it was relatively short lived.
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22:15<HoopyCat> is announced by AS8001 to nine other ASes, by my reckoning. so, paths start diverging pretty quickly
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22:16<db3l>HoopyCat: Well, my 97.107.x.x host was fine. It was my 69.164.209 host that had a problem.
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22:17<HoopyCat>db3l: a different announcement, but also to the same nine other ASes :-)
22:17-!-vraa [] has quit []
22:17<db3l>(but I expect both nets are announced similarly, so someone flapped just that)
22:17<db3l>Yeah, what you said :-)
22:18<db3l>Something went a bit more wrong than usual though - seems to have taken at least 8-10 minutes to converge.
22:23<HoopyCat>db3l: not seeing any indications of BGP updates within the past few hours on, so a truck probably drove past the repeater hut in wyoming
22:24<straterra>Was this in Newark?
22:24<HoopyCat>no, wyoming
22:24<straterra>CARRY ON
22:24<@jed>don't divulge datacenter 6, Hoopy
22:24<db3l>But the quantum entanglement did affect some Newark stuff...
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22:25<ajmitch_>so the next datacenter isn't going to be in NZ? :(
22:25<db3l>You put #6 in a hut? Did it come with a tiki bar?
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22:35<atan>What's the deal with referral codes?
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22:35<atan>Does each account have a referral code to hand out to friends?
22:36<@jed>each user does
22:36<atan>Where do they find it?
22:36<@jed>my profile, upper right
22:36<atan>Got it.
22:36<atan>Does the referred person get anything?
22:37<@jed>awesome linode service
22:37<atan>5% off?
22:37<@jed>no, just $20 after 90 days for the referring user
22:37<atan>Can I give up my $20 credit in exchange for them to get the $20 credit?
22:37<Kyhwana>I think it's one months free after 3 months
22:37<Kyhwana>ah, $20
22:38<@Praefectus>atan: no, service credits are non-transferrable and non-refundable
22:38<the|Navigator>atan: You could just hand them $20.
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22:43<bob2>why would you give it to them?
22:46<atan>Why would they use my referral code?
22:46<atan>I suppose it depends really.
22:46<atan>I'd much prefer to use someones referral code if I got $5 than otherwise
22:46<vraa>i shared my referral code to my friend today
22:46<bob2>the only reason they'd use it is because you referred them
22:47<vraa>i hope he signs up with it, will there be a way i'll know?
22:47<bob2>and they're grateful and would like linode to give you a small gift
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22:47<sub>I have two referrals pending
22:48<sub>i'm #1 on google for <name of linode competitor> since i wrote a blog post about how i didn't enjoy their service and am switching to linode. "linode" as you can probably imagine is a link that uses my referral code \o/
22:48<sub>that's actually my most popular blog post, weird.
22:49<Defenestrator>Makes sense, if it's #1 on Google for anything it'll get a chunk of traffic
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22:50<sub>there are plenty of people who use referral codes, especially if your referral is solving some problem for them
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22:50<sub>or they don't know/don't care
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22:50<sub>i don't see why someone would go out of their way to remove your referral code from the url
22:51<Defenestrator>linode's pretty short on places I'd call real competitors, but I am curious as to which crappy host burned you
22:51<Defenestrator>Huh. Hadn't heard of them. I mostly fled from vpslink, which was a competitor to some extent until they got bought out
22:51<sub>had several outages in two weeks. i was already using linode for the stuff clients pay me for so i moved my one last VPS
22:51<Defenestrator>Now they're... bad. Very bad.
22:51<sub>then within a week of me moving they had two more outages (i still follow them on twitter)
22:52<sub>they kind of only advertised their service on YCombinator's HackerNews site
22:52<sub>so to a bunch of self-professed "entrepreneurs"
22:53<sub>i got lured in with the "free beta"
22:53<sub>performance wise (especially disk) there's a noticable penalty compared to linode too
22:53<vraa>this is what i share to ppl
22:53*encode lures sub in to the nodebalancer beta
22:54<sub>i'm on
22:54<Defenestrator>Never use a hosting company owned by Endurance International Group... and if your host gets bought by them, flee immediately.
22:54<sub>unfortunately i've only got one host behind the loadbalancer at the moment :P
22:54<SelfishMan>EIG is a shoot-on-sight network for most people
22:54<SelfishMan>they love the spammers
22:54<Defenestrator>Not "in a few weeks" because you expect them to only slowly slide downhill.
22:55<Defenestrator>It took 2 weeks for them to go from "probably 3rd best VPS host" to "crap" :(
22:55<sub>good link, vraa
22:55<bob2>heh 3rd
22:56<vraa>linode has a loadbalancer?
22:56<Defenestrator>3rd's not bad, and at the time I switched to them Linode was switching from UML to Xen and the other one had no capacity for new users
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22:56<sub>yep, it's in beta at the moment
22:56<encode>as an added bonus, linode has been awesome for well over 6 years now
22:56<ajmitch_>vraa: see /topic
22:57<bob2>it's been a long time since 3rd would be some random company
22:57<vraa>AWESOME! THANKS
22:57<encode>much older than slicehost, Amazon, etc
22:57<@jed>vraa: :)
22:57<sub>i have hosts that were only rebooted to get the birthday RAM back whenever that was
22:57<bob2>plz reboot for kernel fixes :\
22:57<sub>months after it was announced
22:57<Defenestrator>well, I kinda put ec2 in a separate category
22:57<sub>i will, soon, but i have to schedule that stuff
22:58<sub>i've got a couple of mail servers i host for a client that an IT company uses to relay outbound mail from their clients through
22:58*encode is trying to remember the name linode before it was called linode
22:58<sub>SMBs hate not being able to send mail. i'm trying to convince them to pay for a second server as a backup
22:59<bob2>encode: THE SHORE was kinda a predeccessor
22:59<encode>ahh that's it
22:59<@jed>encode: snt, but different market
22:59<bob2>your #1 choice for cf hosting
23:00<encode>yay coldfusion
23:00<sub>any hints as to what the loadbalancer pricing will look like after beta?
23:00<encode>sub: greater than zero ;)
23:01<sub>thanks :P
23:01<sub>i was afraid of that
23:01<encode>actually, that might not even be true. I'm just guessing
23:01<sub>it's a great addition
23:01<encode>but I cant imagine it being financially feasible for linode to offer it for free
23:02<sub>i wouldn't expect them to, although a free LB 100 may be a good way to get people to pay for a second linode ;)
23:02<sub>and save on IPv4 addresses for that matter, lol
23:02<sub>i'm tempted to stand up a second webhost myself
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23:03<atan>What does the load balancer run on?
23:03<sub>i've got a site i want up as much as possible and it's on rackspace's managed cloud offering. i get sporadic 500s randomly
23:04<sub>i guess that last sentence is redundant
23:04<atan>sub: I'm in the process of moving away from them right now actually.
23:04<bob2>sure it's not your code 500ing?
23:04<sub>do you ever get unexplained HTTP 500s? site loads fine if i hit refresh when i get them
23:04<bob2>read your logs
23:05<atan>I have huge issues with their varnish server.
23:05<sub>it's a wordpress site and it's intermittent, no idea
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23:05<bob2>read your logs
23:05<atan>Even with cache set to 0 it continues to cache things, and give funny errors.
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23:05<atan>I can fit my clients from their $150 offering on to $20 @ linode
23:05<atan>I just have to hope nobody makes it to /.
23:06<atan>But hey, that's why they offer the LB now :D lol
23:06<@jed>atan: cloud cluster - highly-available cluster of machines that we administer
23:06*encode load balances two nodebalancers, for moar speed
23:06<@jed>feel free to join #linode-beta if you want the floor to yourself for questions about NB, there's a few conversations going on here
23:08<atan>Does DNS support RR?
23:08<atan>Does your*
23:08<bob2>round robin?
23:09<@zomg>atan: People have survived slashdot on linode 512s before
23:09<atan>zomg, but none of them have had my crappy code.
23:09<bob2>atan: just add multiple records with the same name
23:09<bob2>atan: is it a custom php cms?
23:09<@zomg>At least you're honest
23:10<@jed>varnish fixes all
23:11<atan>bob2, I wouldn't call it CMS.
23:14<Defenestrator>These days, with the right cacheing or static content even a relatively small server can shrug off a slashdotting
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23:16<Defenestrator>Also, I suspect Slashdot doesn't send as much traffic as it used to
23:16<eyecool>how easy is it to migrate an openvz debian 6 vps to linode? there's not much on there, but it's configured beautifully by an nginx guru gone MIA
23:16<the|Navigator>Hah. Sometimes I look at an IP the way a normal person might look at a bird.
23:16<@jed>eyecool: hachacha:
23:16<Defenestrator>eyecool: there's no quick'n'easy, so you'll just have to move individual configs/apps over
23:16<the|Navigator>Ooh, look, that's an interesting IP. I wonder what kind of IP that is.
23:17<the|Navigator>(I rarely see 2.x.x.x IPs, for example)
23:17<eyecool>k.. thanks guys
23:17<pronto>you're welcome eyecool
23:17<bob2>the|Navigator: my mobile provider started using 1/8 addresses
23:17<bob2>it keeps weirding me out
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23:17<the|Navigator>My mobile phone provider does something /weird/
23:18<the|Navigator>If I make repeat requests to a site, my IP will repeatedly increase by 1
23:18<bob2>yay for SNAT
23:18<the|Navigator>so.. x.x.x.27, the next request is x.x.x.28, etc.
23:19<Defenestrator>Huh, OK, that tutorial does look easier. I'd be slightly surprised if something didn't choke going from OpenVZ to Xen though
23:19<the|Navigator>Only seems to happen on sites where no cookie exchanges are taking place, but it's always an increment of 1. It appears to be a poor man's load balancer or something
23:19<@heckman>Woah, oops. Sorry. WW
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23:20<@jed>Defenestrator: very unlikely
23:20<Kyhwana>bob2: wow, poor bastards
23:20<Kyhwana>I wouldn't want 1/8
23:20<Kyhwana>yum 100+mbit of junk traffic
23:21<Defenestrator>the|Navigator: weird.. so it's completely sequential for new sessions?
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23:25<the|Navigator>Defenestrator: Kinda
23:25<the|Navigator>Defenestrator: I think it resets at midnight, but apart from that, completely.
23:25<Defenestrator>O_o weird
23:25<the|Navigator>Anyway, must be going
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23:26<navi|Linode>On a side note, has anyone perfected a way of stabbing someone through a computer monitor, given only the IP as input?
23:27<navi|Linode>I've had a sharp uptick in SSH attempts, and I'd love to pipe their IPs into it.
23:27<navi|Linode>If not, I'll be gone then. Bye.
23:27<Defenestrator>navi|Linode: is HatfulOfHollow rich and famous yet?
23:27<sub>there might be an attachment for the fufme
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23:29<vraa>just to be clear - the node balancer isn't in the texas location?
23:29<vraa>that's bollocks, texas is the best
23:29<vraa>new jersey is the worst, that's so ironic you start there first !!!
23:29<sub>newark ftw
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23:30<@jed>vraa: we're letting it simmer for a little while, it won't be long
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23:34<vraa>jed, any eta? like a few weeks to a few months or what?
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23:34<@jed>well, the cluster is already deployed and we're just waiting to see how newark shakes out. procedural, not technical
23:35<@jed>so not nearly that long
23:35<@jed>this is really day 3 of the beta, mind
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23:46<gadams>jed, what's the pricing or should I submit a ticket?
23:46<@Praefectus>gadams: for you, its $499.95/month
23:48<@jed>gadams: undetermined at this time
23:48<gadams>Praefectus, go smoke a cig. lol
23:49<@Praefectus>im gonna in a few minutes
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23:57<vraa__>oh so the node thing you have to pay for?
23:57<vraa__>i thought it was free? 500$/month is wayyyy too much
23:57<vraa__>if it were extra i'd pay maybe 5$month like the backup service
23:57<atan>Hmm, how do you delete an IP?
23:58<atan>From your linode/account
23:58<atan>Not the server itself :D
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.18552950, 0.12717449) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 50188 of 63782 (π ≈ 3.147471073343576 - 0.005878419753783)
23:59<atan>Ahh found it :D
23:59<pronto>atan: :D
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