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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-06-07

---Logopened Tue Jun 07 00:00:36 2011
00:00<pharaun>google works to improve the result but its still google vs however many people who want to SEO hack
00:00<pharaun>plus its perverse benefits, you want moar money/views, you're gonna to try to do anything to get moar views
00:01<navi>pharaun: I think Boohemian's point is that Ubuntu isn't optimising it
00:01<navi>pharaun: If the most popular page on the ubuntu site is still the beta, not a release note or a final download
00:01<pharaun>navi: nah it was to purrdeta about seo being bullshit :)
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00:01<pharaun>but yeah people can do their pages bit better/etc to help google which is still "part" of seo but meh
00:01<jkwood>Bad Ubuntu documentation? *shock*
00:01<pharaun>i never liked the whole "SEO bullshit"
00:01<jjsanks>is there an ETA on when FC 15 will be available?
00:01<akerl>jjsanks: Is it not now?
00:01<pharaun>i thought it already was?
00:02<Boohemian>pharaun: yeah, seo ruined the web :) a lot of my google searches (for products, at least) have become junk
00:02<Boohemian>jjsanks: don't google
00:02<navi>jjsanks: 24th May 2011?
00:02<jjsanks>ah the documentation on the website is out of date
00:03<Boohemian>akerl: i thought backporting was the right way to go, by editing the etc/apt/sources.list, to get the newest stuff (or close to newest, but at least things i wanted) without having to maintain it. i thought letting others maintain it would make my life easier
00:03<Boohemian>checkers: sounds like a good idea :)
00:03<akerl>Boohemian: If you want to have newest everything, roll an arch node
00:03<jkwood>Yeah, recent news and the FAQ are outdated.
00:03<navi>Boohemian: Does it /need/ to use the absolute newest everything?
00:03<akerl>Otherwise, run debian or ubuntu stable and don't try and fight with apt
00:03<navi>Boohemian: The point is to keep it stable, not keep it perfectly up to date
00:04<Boohemian>akerl: i don't want the newest everything, but i want to have at least something current, and for mapserver, geoserver, openlayers, and tomcat6, debian5 didn't do that for me
00:04<Boohemian>navi: yes, i've learned my lesson. but now i want to find a distro that will give me somewhat current versions of software, and keep it stable
00:04<pharaun>Boohemian: then do it yourself/roll your own *.deb
00:04<Boohemian>hence my original question
00:04<akerl>Boohemian: Combining "editting /etc" with "without having to maintain it" is a fail
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00:04<pharaun>well.... there could be... gentoo
00:04*akerl prepares the glue for his desk
00:04<navi>Boohemian: Ubuntu or Debian will do fine for a stable and functional release, in my opinion.
00:05<pharaun>the ebuild system makes it easy for you to push updates/new versions assuming the build did not change
00:05<pharaun>but really in the end you *want* debian or ubuntu
00:05<navi>Boohemian: You may not get new enough packages from the LTS though
00:05<akerl>Boohemian: Again, you either want to run stable ubu/deb, for rock solid, or arch, for cutting edge. Your choice.
00:05<pharaun>akerl: btw you owe me $ for that glue, i'm the sole glue supplier
00:06*akerl has been grinding noobs into glue for his desk, and plans to undercut pharaun's prices
00:06<Boohemian>akerl: i agree. hence why i'm trying to find a happy medium :)
00:06<pharaun>>_> i wonder about the quality of those n00b glue
00:06<pharaun>Boohemian: your happy medium == debian/ubuntu
00:06<Boohemian>navi: from what i understand, debian6 is slightly older than 10.04 LTS?
00:07<navi>Boohemian: I don't think so.
00:07<akerl>The happy medium is Ubuntu/backports + heavy maintenance. The more you try to get exactly what you want, the more work you're going to be doing.
00:07<pharaun>i would suggest gentoo but honestly it does not work for most people, its a ton of work/etc
00:08<akerl>Cutting edge, stable, easy. Pick two.
00:08<navi>Boohemian: Depends how much effort you want to put in
00:08<navi>Boohemian: I agree with akerl
00:08<pharaun>akerl: nice, should turn that into a slogan around here :>
00:09<navi>awesome, awesome, awesome, pick two.
00:09<Boohemian>akerl: what do you mean by heavy maintenance?
00:09<pharaun>Boohemian: shit break, you fix it :p
00:09<Boohemian>pharaun: gentoo was my first linux distro :)
00:09<pharaun>you make your own *.deb, this, that, etc...
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00:09<pharaun>Boohemian: ah? :p
00:09<akerl>Boohemian: if you plan on using backports to get cutting edge for some packages, and not others, you will break things. If you want easy maintenance, that is bad
00:10<navi>I still think Debian Sid is the way to go.
00:10<Boohemian>pharaun: i was on fedora for a day. i asked someone for help on extracting a tar file. i then asked his distro, he said gentoo. he then said "don't even think about it. it will eat you alive". two days later, and two failed installs, i had gentoo running :)
00:11<pharaun>Boohemian: ha, and are you still using the said gentoo install? :p
00:11<pharaun><- gentoo install dates back to 1.2/1.4ish
00:11<Boohemian>pharaun: no. after i realized i needed something that just worked (especially with respect to wifi), i switched to OS X
00:12<Boohemian>pharaun: did you look into studying at harvard?
00:13<Boohemian>i do miss my ibm t23 :(
00:13<Boohemian>that was a great machine
00:14<pharaun>Boohemian: yes i did, right now i'm trying to do a move or something, if that falls through then i perhaps will relook
00:15<ajmitch_>navi: only if you enable experimental with it
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00:16<Boohemian>pharaun: i'm moving too. but just down the street. i found an awesome apartment five minutes walk to my office
00:16<Boohemian>same price
00:16<Boohemian>and perfect for the kid that's on the way (has a backyard and an enclosed office)
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00:17<navi>Boohemian: The office is for the kid?
00:17<navi>Boohemian: I know they say "Start 'em young..."
00:17<akerl>By "enclosed office", do you mean a box? Hopefully with air holes?
00:18<navi>akerl: He means it has all the standard features. A floor, four walls, and a ceiling.
00:18<pharaun>Boohemian: ah? nice
00:18*navi thinks he's just damaged his neck sneezing
00:19<navi>I wish I could go and live somewhere where pollen didn't exist
00:19<pharaun>navi: southpole?
00:19<akerl>navi: I know what an office is :p I was advocating keeping the kid in a box. Hopefully with air holes
00:19<navi>akerl: Why do you care enough for the child's wellbeing to care about the air holes?
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00:20<pharaun>the courts would frown upon a dead body
00:20<akerl>^ this
00:20<navi>pharaun: They wouldn't frown at akerl though, he's an innocent party.
00:21<Boohemian>navi: no the office is for me
00:21<akerl>"You see, Your Honor, I never would have hurt little Jimmy, but those devils on the Eye Arr See told me to do it"
00:21<Boohemian>right now, i built an office in my 20x13 room, by separating the bed and the office with bookshelves
00:21<Boohemian>but it will be nicer to have a door :)
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00:21<akerl>"Holy censorship, batman! We must ban the Eye Arr See's this instant!"
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00:24<navi>My friend still insists IRC is pronounced like an acronym
00:24<navi>"I went on /irk/ today."
00:27<Jerub>i know people who still call 'irc' 'mirc', pronunced like 'mirk'
00:27<Jerub>er, murk.
00:28<pharaun>i say /IRC/ :3
00:29<akerl>That /irk/'s me :p
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00:29<pharaun>no, exactly /I R C/
00:29<navi>And I know someone who knows IRC is eye arr see, but they can't make their mind up if mIRC is emm eye arr see or my arr see
00:29<akerl>Though I'm terrible at pronunciation in general. Comes from reading lots, talking/listening little.
00:29<navi>(mI) (R) (C)
00:30<Jerub>i get annoyed by 'irssi' which can be pronounced 'eye are see' but that' sthe same as IRC, so i have to say eye are ess ess eye
00:30<pharaun>(I)(R)(C) :>
00:30<akerl>I pronounced inventory as (invent) (ory) for the longest time
00:30<retro|blah>eye arr see
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00:30<pharaun>i can be lazy and do "irs...." and don't bother to finish it up but usually "irssi"
00:30<navi>akerl: In-ven-tree!
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01:30<dcraig>anyone try gallery3? it's a photo gallery thing
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01:32<pharaun>not me, i use smugmug
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01:36<vraa>i use zenphoto
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01:41*sm 's linode hung with the apache stack trace again
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01:46<bob2>stack trace?
01:46<bob2>or OOM killer?
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01:57<@Praefectus>dcraig: ill probly be upgrading a few installs of G2 this week
01:58*Praefectus has always liked Gallery
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02:00<dcraig>ok, I'll check back to see how it goes
02:00<dcraig>I'm finally getting around to moving my gallery2 from a server at school to linode
02:01<@Praefectus>ill probly do the first upgrade on thursday and beat it up before i upgrade the rest
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02:02<asdfqwer>where do linode devs hang out?
02:02<@Praefectus>asdfqwer: in Linodia
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02:02<asdfqwer>how many dragons must one fight to see the sun rise in linodia?
02:03<@Praefectus>that, my friend, is an impossible task, for all the dragons have passed unto the stars
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02:04<asdfqwer>i'll bbl
02:04<asdfqwer>with a sword and shield
02:04<@Praefectus>dont forget a spear
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02:05<asdfqwer>i'm being tasked with a quest into xen and openstack
02:05<asdfqwer>gonna go grind some guides
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02:13<sm>bob2: stack trace
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02:14<sm>I can't say for sure there wasn't also some mention of OOM killer, I've lost the scrollback
02:14<sm>but I don't think there was
02:15<sm>night all
02:19<praetorian>.z 4
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02:22<chesty>it's a code, but what does it mean?
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03:06<dcraig>gallery2 is much quicker on my linode :D
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03:08<@Praefectus>dcraig: was it on shared hosting before?
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03:14<dcraig>it was on an amd athlon xp 2200+ under my desk at school
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03:21<zajac>guys anyone has problems with linode (newark?)
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03:24<dcraig>zajac, seems ok to me
03:24<Boohemian>this IS cool!
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03:24<checkers>a whole bunch of people just disconnected 5 minutes ago zajac
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03:24<checkers>oh it was a netswplit
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03:25<zajac>hmm strange, issued shutdown via dashboard 10 mins ago, and it stucked :)
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03:26<Boohemian>checkers: i decided to go with debian6 :)
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03:28<zajac>checkers -> ok. i'll try again in some half an hour :D.
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03:28<methecooldude>Hi all, is Newark playing up? I can't log into Lish and my Linode won't reboot
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03:30<zajac>methecooldude -> same problem
03:30<techiem2-r>one of mine is fine, other is nonresponsive
03:31<mtl^urass>my newark linode is fine
03:31<methecooldude>Yea, my London one is fine, it's just my Newark one
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03:31<techiem2-r>both of my are Newark
03:31<methecooldude>System Shutdown
03:31<methecooldude>Entered: 7 minutes 12 seconds ago - Waiting...
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03:33<zajac>System Shutdown Entered: 18 minutes 34 seconds ago - Took: 5 seconds
03:34<techiem2-r>looks like it's starting to come back
03:34<techiem2-r>nagios is getting responses again
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03:34*ajmitch wonders if the netsplit was related :)
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03:35<zajac>ok my newark seems to be back :)
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03:36<techiem2-r>yeah seems so
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03:38<zajac>yup looks like working back, cu ;P
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03:48<piyushmishra>hi. does * add a wildcard for all subdomains to my linode?
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03:52<Deadpan110>piyushmishra, is this within a LAMP setup or DNS etc?
03:52<piyushmishra>Deadpan110: I am editing A records to point to my linode ip
03:52<piyushmishra>so should a * work?
03:52<Deadpan110>@ ANAME [linode IP]
03:53<Deadpan110>* CNAME [].
03:53<Deadpan110>it also depends on the Name Provider you are using... some cleverly work things out
03:54<Deadpan110>some require the CNAME to end in a dot
03:54<piyushmishra>CNAME means that * aliases to
03:54<piyushmishra>also where exactly do we make these changes? I am currently editing the records from linode manager
03:56<Deadpan110>if your domain name is using the Linode Name Servers, then its pretty straight forward... lemmie have a look at a few of mine ...just in case ya need any help
03:56<dcraig>will * catch things like
03:57<dcraig>or would you also need *
03:57<@Praefectus>dcraig: no
03:57<Deadpan110>first you add a domain zone ... plop in your and your administrative email address
03:57<@Praefectus>you would need *
03:57<piyushmishra>its not necessary
03:57<dcraig>and then doesn't the manager get all ornery about that and actually want you to create a new zone named
03:57<piyushmishra>I am just setting up and resume.ofpiyush,in kinda names
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03:58<stermi>a noob question: is it ok if free -m says i have a total of 425mb of ram?
03:58<stermi>i mean linode 512 has 512mb of ram :D
03:58<Deadpan110>yeps, Linode DNS manager can fill in stuff for you, and you can opt to do your own thing or do the defaults and edit afterward
03:59<dcraig>wait I only have 497...
03:59<encode>the kernel takes up part of that ram
03:59<dcraig>I want a refund for 497/512 of my $20
03:59<piyushmishra>stermi: if I am correct the ram also runs regular processes that you might have up like the apache server too
03:59<piyushmishra>in my case apache
04:00<stermi>I'm not talking about free amount of ram, I'm saing that free -m says that my total ram is 425 and not 512
04:00<piyushmishra>then get a refund for the rest
04:00<dcraig>I think it's normal for it to be less than 512
04:00<stermi>dcraig don't be silly, I'm just asking :)
04:00<dcraig>but I don't know why yours is 425 and mine is 497
04:00<stermi>dcraig really? I bought 512 mb of ram not 425 :P
04:01<encode>x64 vs i386 kernels
04:01<encode>x64 is larger
04:01<dcraig>stermi, are you using 32-bit or 64-bit?
04:01<dcraig>guess that might be it
04:01<encode>no guessing required :P
04:01<piyushmishra>ok so should I add a CNAME record or an A record
04:01<dcraig>don't worry that your ram is missing, though!
04:02<dcraig>it's being used for your bloated 64-bit kernel, apparently
04:02<stermi>encode I don't understand: part of ram is dedicated to the kernel?
04:02<jkwood>Well, the kernel IS provided by the host.
04:02<jkwood>That's memory you're not able to pre-empt.
04:02<piyushmishra>free total shows 469
04:03<piyushmishra>-/+ buffer/cache : total 511
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04:03<piyushmishra>ok sorry it was mem 469 and swap 511
04:03<Deadpan110>piyushmishra, you could add an ANAME for every sub domain you choose... even a wildcard ANAME... it is sometimes better to use a CNAME though (for when you start getting fancy and technical)
04:04<piyushmishra>ok so for now I'll add a CNAME, also I should edit lines in the sites available in apache to actually make different root dirs for different domains right?
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04:05<dcraig>wtf is an ANAME
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04:05<Deadpan110>piyushmishra, yeps, I use apache for virtual hosting - everyone has a public_html in their home dir
04:06<fourcolors>Hey all. I am trying to connect to the ssh on my machine for the first time and having troubles. I have typed in 'ssh root@myipaddress' and it times out
04:06<fourcolors>am i doing something wrong?
04:06<piyushmishra> /srv/www/somelinode... /public_html
04:06<retro|blah>fourcolors: Did you boot your node?
04:06<piyushmishra>fourcolors: booted your machine?
04:06<techiem2-r>do you have a firewall blocking ssh?
04:06<fourcolors>lol oh
04:06<fourcolors>sorry still now
04:07<retro|blah>It's 2011, but computers still come with an on-off switch
04:07<techiem2-r>no way!
04:07<fourcolors>retro|blah: thats to stop the robot war
04:07<piyushmishra>another thing. won't adding cname for * to mean I am creating an endless loop?
04:08<Deadpan110>ANAME = a spider from australia (yeps correctly you should say A Record or proper technical terms)
04:08<dcraig>how are you supposed to reach the switch when your server is in the cloud???
04:08<Kos>via iSwitch
04:08<piyushmishra>Kos: lol
04:08<dcraig>piyushmishra, how would there be an endless loop?
04:08<Deadpan110> != * - but it will require 2 dns lookups for the sub domain
04:08<retro|blah>!apropos cloud
04:08<+linbot>retro|blah: cloud
04:08<+linbot>I'm leaving linode for the cloud
04:08<Kos>techiem2-r: reinventing old technologies
04:09<MarkJ__>CloudFinger, sounds like a new Amazon web service
04:09<jkwood>dcraig: When it's in the cloud, it's actually in my living room.
04:09<piyushmishra>ok ;) also will and get affected by this?
04:09<MarkJ__>or with the fairies
04:09<techiem2-r>or my basement
04:09<fourcolors>hey I tried to boot my profile and I got Specified root device does not exist in config profile.
04:09<dcraig>piyushmishra, the wildcard only applies to hostnames that aren't otherwise defined
04:09<jkwood>As demonstrated in this informative brochure:
04:09<piyushmishra>awesome :)
04:10<fourcolors>I have two partitions one call "Production" and another called 'Staging'
04:10<MarkJ__>Amazon cloud seems to work well, have both linodes and now AWS hosts for different services
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04:10<fourcolors>I think i'm not configuring it right
04:10<dcraig>the wildcard is like, "if nothing else matches, then do this"
04:10<jkwood>fourcolors: You have to deploy a distribution first. Did you do that?
04:10<fourcolors>jkwood: right. I'm using Ubuntu LTS
04:11<+linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
04:11<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 10 hops, te3-1-border76-01.lon2.telec: 60.0%/0.7ms, 20.0%/11.9ms, 80.0%/1.4ms (urmom)
04:12<jkwood>Hmm... I have not the foggiest idea, then.
04:12<fourcolors>Should I be putting both my Production and Staging partition in the same profile?
04:13<dcraig>I'm confused by this partition stuff
04:13<jkwood>You do know that you can only boot one profile per Linode at a time, right?
04:13<fourcolors>i did not know that
04:13<fourcolors>first time with linode
04:13<fourcolors>im very new
04:13<fourcolors>I need a staging and a production site
04:13<MarkJ__>you're not the only one who tried doing that initially :p
04:13<dcraig>you might need 2 linodes then
04:13<fourcolors>oh I can't run both from the same "node"
04:14<techiem2-r>or if yer talking like website you could do multiple vhosts
04:14<fourcolors>ya im talking websties
04:14<MarkJ__>no but you can have different profiles so you can boot either depending on need. useful if you have a couple servers you only need now and then
04:14<dcraig>you could have one server with multiple partitions
04:14<techiem2-r> and that point to different vhosts
04:14<dcraig>but it sounds like you might want two linodes
04:14<jkwood> may be of use to you.
04:14<techiem2-r>yeah, get it up and running first
04:15<stefan2>Is anyone having connection issues in London?
04:15<jkwood>Should be able to do both a staging and production site on the same node, vhosts would take care of that.
04:15<techiem2-r>figure out the basics of how it works, then figure out the best way to do what you want
04:15*techiem2-r loves apache vhosts combines with linode dns manager
04:15<fourcolors>right. cool thanks for the help. Looks like ill go with two vhosts configurations then when I got more money do another linode.. node
04:15<dcraig>if you just want multiple websites, you can do that with a single linode
04:16<techiem2-r>vhosts are great once you figure out how they work and get good templates made for yourself
04:16<techiem2-r>add subdomain in dns manager, add new apache vhost, win
04:17<Deadpan110>ssl vhosts... fantastic... unless your customer uses IE... lol ...then ya need IP addresses :)
04:17<techiem2-r>all my vhosts are
04:17<techiem2-r>some force to ssl (like mail)
04:17<dcraig>IE has support http 1.1 for like forever...
04:18<dcraig>oh, for ssl
04:18<dcraig>SNI works fine on IE 7 or later on Windows Vista or later :p
04:19<fourcolors>Do you guys think nginx is better than apache?
04:22<dcraig>oh dear
04:22<techiem2-r>never used it
04:22<fourcolors>sorry .. is that a bad subject lol
04:22<+linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
04:22<jkwood>It fits a different niche.
04:22<dcraig>apache is well supported by everything and has been around for forever
04:22<techiem2-r>played with lighthttpd a while back a bit...but getting php/etc. working well with it was just painful...and unstable...
04:22<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 12 hops, 40.0%/147.9ms, 60.0%/148.0ms, 20.0%/152.9ms (urmom)
04:22<dcraig>nginx is apparently a bit faster
04:22<dcraig>and some russian kid makes it or something
04:22<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 94.6ms
04:22<dcraig>if he gets bored, maybe nginx will stop being updated
04:22<dcraig>that's all I know!
04:22<jkwood>There should be good documentation for either in the Library, and neither of them should be too hard to run.
04:22<jkwood>Apache is a better-established project, and on the whole supports more technologies.
04:22<sirpengi>guess what else doesn't support SNI
04:22<sirpengi>any android device before honeycomb :(
04:22<dcraig>using nginx as a proxy to apache seems to be sorta popular
04:22<dcraig>oh wow that really set of mike
04:22<dcraig>set off, too
04:22<techiem2-r>set off a set of mikes?
04:22<sirpengi>must be an apple fanboy
04:23<dcraig>I use apache with the worker mpm and php with mod_fcgid
04:23<dcraig>but that's just how I roll
04:23<sirpengi>I use nginx + uwsgi
04:23<dcraig>SNI lets you use SSL with multiple domains and only one IP
04:23<sirpengi>but that won't run your php app
04:24*Deadpan110 uses haproxy, apache and nginx - i would love to vhost on nginx, but php as the user gets kinda kluny and awkward to manage, so I use Nginx as a reverse proxy cache and also a CDN
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04:26<Clorith>Heh, stupid irssi won't let me conenct to it =(
04:26<dcraig>maybe you should use nginx as a reverse proxy to irssi-proxy...
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04:27<Clorith>Maybe not
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04:28<AviMarcus>OK, my last gig of disk space just disappeared unexpectedly
04:28<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 12 hops, 20.0%/147.9ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/153.0ms (urmom)
04:29<dcraig>AviMarcus, you can have it back once my conditions are met
04:29<AviMarcus>running du -h --max-depth 1 to find it
04:30<techiem2-r> /var/log/
04:30<AviMarcus>hmph. 7.9G ./backup
04:30<techiem2-r>or that
04:30<AviMarcus>I forgot about that.
04:30<dcraig>that'll teach ya to keep backups
04:30<AviMarcus>2.8G ./var
04:31<AviMarcus>hmm, probably way too much in there, too
04:32<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 12 hops, 20.0%/147.9ms, 80.0%/148.2ms, 20.0%/152.9ms (urmom)
04:33<dcraig>yo dawg we herd u like backups so we backed up ur backup so you can restore while you restore
04:34<AviMarcus>oh geez how come I never did "ll -h" to get real sizes before?
04:34<dcraig>because ll: command not found
04:35<@Praefectus>ll works fine for me
04:36<@Praefectus>AviMarcus: centos?
04:36<Deadpan110>ooh... almost forgot... wanted to ask a question but wanted to wait until the channel livened up... searched the forums... so figured I would ask here... so... 'Does anyone use watchdog?' (/dev/watchdog) has got me out of trouble every now n again (while asleep) ...ima wondering about setting the 'ping' option to point to my Linodes Gateway: (see Function Paragraph 9)
04:36<AviMarcus>no, using ubuntu
04:36<@Praefectus>did you alias ll?
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04:36<AviMarcus>I think I did, actually
04:36<@Praefectus>figured, it works on centos, but i had to alias it on debian
04:36<dcraig>well aren't y'all so special
04:37<AviMarcus>alias ll='ls -alF'
04:38<AviMarcus>I wonder if I should just edit it and add h
04:38<@Praefectus>so jus toss an h in there dawg
04:38<@Praefectus>i always do
04:38<AviMarcus>sounds good.
04:38<AviMarcus>alias r='ps aux | grep ' .. hmm forgot about that one. r for "running"
04:39<AviMarcus>ok now I need to tell rdiffbackup to nix all the old stuff.
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04:46<navi>Trying to generate entropy over SSH sucks
04:46<stefan2>Anyone in here using London and seeing packet loss?
04:46<navi>(for GPG)
04:47<techiem2-r>"The following Fix it solution will resolve the issue by configuring your computer to prefer IPv4, instead of IPv6. "
04:47<techiem2-r>good old MS
04:47<stefan2>techiem2-r, lol that is so wrong.
04:47<techiem2-r>I've seen better..wonder if I can find the kb article...
04:48<stefan2>once IPv6 is more in use this kb will cause many support calls. :(
04:52<techiem2-r>bah can't find it....
04:55<AviMarcus>lol only allowed one IP per network adapter? :)
04:56<Deadpan110>I love all the Microsoft bumf related to this:
04:56<techiem2-r>"Yeah, you know that fancy multiple-ips per adapter feature we have? Yeah, don't use that. It breaks stuff."
04:56<Deadpan110>and yeps... IE9 will only work on Windows 7
04:56<Deadpan110>(or Windows Vista Service Pack 3 or summat?!?)
04:57<AviMarcus>holy cow. the ipv6 thing is about world IPv6 day.. so the suggestion for that causing problems isn't to fix your stuff, but to say "Oh, this ipv6 stuff isn't for me"
04:57<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 12 hops, 20.0%/147.9ms, 60.0%/148.0ms, 20.0%/153.0ms (urmom)
04:57<AviMarcus>hmm I think I'm on london298
04:58<AviMarcus>no, 206 and 59
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04:58<stefan2>im seeing heavy packet loss from telecity, again
04:58<techiem2-r>just like the multiple ips per nic issue is "we won't fix our software, just add more hardware instead"
04:59<AviMarcus>my mtr shows 20% loss on one telecity ip..
05:00<stefan2>yeah, ugg
05:00<AviMarcus>weird, because I'm on a voip call with music and it sounds fine
05:01<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 14 hops, 40.0%/87.1ms, 20.0%/91.4ms
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05:23<fourcolors>anyone here use RVM on their server?
05:23<fourcolors>i mean a system wide rvm install
05:25<Clorith>does anyone know of a guide on downgrading php from 5.3 to 5.2 on squeeze?
05:25<Clorith>preferably a guide tha texplains what it's doing, I like knowing what I'm screwing up :P
05:26<Clorith>yeah >_>
05:26<Clorith>funny thing is, I googled first, adn they said joomla > 1.5.13 supports php 5.3
05:26<Clorith>apparently they lied.
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05:27<jkwood>fourcolors: I probably will when I get ready to relaunch my site as rails, but I find the local install to be just as good.
05:27<Clorith>every blogpost I find about downgrading tells me to use dotdeb
05:27<Clorith>wtf is dotdeb?
05:27<bob2>it's going to be enormously difficult
05:27<bob2>a random source of unofficial debian packages
05:27<fourcolors>jkwood: you use the local install? I was thinking of doing the same thing because my system wide install keeps breaking
05:28<jkwood>Yeah, it's really cleaner that way, I think.
05:28<fourcolors>I'm getting something that looks like this ... but I really can't tell the difference between the two
05:29<fourcolors>im just going to do that
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05:29<bob2>can you fix your shitty cms or move to a less shitty cms?
05:29<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 94.5ms
05:29<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 12 hops, 40.0%/152.3ms, 20.0%/152.9ms (urmom)
05:29<jkwood>Probably permissions. I tried to do a systemwide install at first on my dev machine, and ended up sticking with local - it works really well that way.
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05:30<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 10 hops, 60.0%/0.9ms, 40.0%/0.8ms (urmom)
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05:37<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 10 hops, 20.0%/148.4ms, 80.0%/148.3ms, 20.0%/153.3ms (urmom)
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05:44<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 7 hops, 40.0%/148.4ms, 20.0%/160.2ms (urmom)
05:53<+linbot>stefan2: [mtr] 10 hops, 20.0%/148.5ms, 40.0%/148.5ms, 20.0%/153.3ms (urmom)
05:53<chesty>linbot works in PM
05:55<stefan2>k, thanks
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06:35<chesty>that was yesterday
06:36<Yaakov>AND NO ONE DIED
06:36<stefan2>it's tomorrow
06:36<chesty>I'm from the future
06:36<Yaakov>Not for Chesty, he's in the... that.
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06:40<Suhel>Hi, My node is located in UK can I re-locate it to USA without paying extra fees?
06:40<praetorian>chesty: you arent that far ahead
06:42<jkwood>Suhel: Yup, sure can.
06:43<Yaakov>HELLO JKWOOD
06:43<Yaakov>So, my 'node tests 10/10 for IPv6 connectivity! Woo!
06:43<Yaakov>LINODE BABY
06:45<AviMarcus>Suhel, sure, it will just take a longer than an upgrade to transfer the data. You'll get a new IP, too. Open a ticket to migrate the node. OR, just create a new node and cancel the UK one (and get pro-rated credit) when you're done.
06:46<jkwood>Good morning, Yaakov.
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06:52<stefan2>Suhel, are you seeing packet loss in london?
06:52<Deadpan110>Linode n Gravy ... yum :)
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07:05<Suhel>Thank you for all who replyed.
07:06<Garethmcc>Hi there ... was wondering if anyone can help me with a DNS record issue?
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07:06<Suhel>stefan2. I am in Jordan, I am facing slow connection to my node. I thought it might be good to try new location for it
07:07<@Praefectus>Garethmcc: spf records?
07:07<@Praefectus>you have an answer in your ticket
07:07<Garethmcc>oh wow ok one sec
07:07<Garethmcc>sheesh thanks man
07:07<jkwood>!download Suhel
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07:11<Suhel>thank you for the link. I'm going to compare the speeds between locations now
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07:37<piyushmishra>to add Name virtual hosts on ubuntu apache, I should add "NameVirtualHost *" to /etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf ?
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07:43<stefan2>piyushmishra, you need to add at least one for each IP
07:43<stefan2>piyushmishra, I usually add a mydomain.conf to /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ and NameVirtualHost to /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
07:44<piyushmishra>stefan2: I have only 1 ip I was being stupid. I should name virtualhosts to *
07:44<piyushmishra>and I was naming them after my domains
07:45<stefan2>piyushmishra, ah, k
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07:49<piyushmishra>stefan2: in case of virtual hosts can I use wildcards? like for ex ServerName *
07:50<stefan2>piyushmishra, I am not sure but I don't think so.
07:50<piyushmishra>my problem is I want all subdomains of that url to come to that folder
07:50<userlame>piyushmishra: not for ServerName but in the configuration you can do that for ServerAlias
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07:51<piyushmishra>ok but if I have subdomains? like real ones
07:51<piyushmishra>can should I list them above this one on the file?
07:51<userlame>put your least specific last in the before *
07:52<piyushmishra>ok awesome
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07:52<userlame>check and make sure it works as you expect though, i know i've done it but i'm going on memory
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07:56<piyushmishra>userlame: it does
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08:04<userlame>cool :D now i'm out
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08:12<Deadpan110>Apache vhosts....
08:12<Deadpan110>ServerName domain.tld
08:12<Deadpan110>ServerAlias *.domain.tld
08:13<Deadpan110>the same gets the domain and subdomains
08:13<Clorith>WHAT THE FUCK RAGE
08:13<Clorith>ok I've now tried using various ways to install php 5.2 on squeeze
08:13<Clorith>but they keep forcing 5.3 on me
08:14<Deadpan110>is upgrading not good?
08:15<Deadpan110>you should be able to pin a version... hmm ... google will have info on that somewhere
08:15<Clorith>I have it pinned I think
08:15<Clorith>pinned oldstable to a higher priority then stable
08:15<Clorith>for the php5* packages
08:16<Deadpan110>odd... maybe debian is following ubunt on itsa strange ideas
08:17<Clorith>ok, got it to fetch 5.2
08:17<Clorith>well, to look for, but it hits dependency errors now
08:18<Clorith>libapache2-mod-php5 : Depends: libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2) but it is not going to be installed
08:18<Clorith>php5-cli : Depends: libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2) but it is not going to be installed
08:18<Clorith>E: Broken packages
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08:18<Deadpan110>is there a reason you would like to pin your PHP?
08:19<Clorith>shitty joomla
08:19<Clorith>yeah, and I have all my clients and my boss breathing down my neck in anger >_>
08:19<Clorith>shitty day to say the least
08:19<Deadpan110>yeah... I know that feeling...
08:20<Clorith>any way, any idea on the dependency errors it's giving ?
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08:21<Deadpan110>well... ima not doing too much... and altho ima not debian based... i will have a look about... 2 sets of eyes better than 1 i would think
08:22<Clorith>used aptitude instead of apt-get and it done'st give the dependency error
08:22<Clorith>but it does tell me that it'll remove 14 packages, openssh-client and openssh-server being two of the things it'll remove to install php5.2
08:22<Deadpan110>thatsa odd dependencies
08:23<Clorith>indeed =/
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08:23<Deadpan110>... re-install them after... perhaps they need to be rolled back too
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08:24<Clorith>I just hit "n" repeatedly until it gave me an alternative to only install one of the missing dependenies...apparently tha twas enough for it
08:24<Clorith>I am hating this day soooo much
08:25<Deadpan110>joomla... i have never messed with it.... but... hmm... kinda bad when ya gotta roll back
08:25<Deadpan110>would it have been possible to do a stand alone install?
08:26<Clorith>the entire server runs nothing but joomlas
08:26<Clorith>(it's a nightmare I tell you!)
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08:27<Clorith>I did my preliminary googling, they claim Joomla >=1.5.13 all support php 5.3, so I decided to run the update (I like having up to date systems running)
08:27<Clorith>(especialyl with joomla being the security hellhole that it is)
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08:31<Deadpan110>This explains a few clients migrating away from my WordPress Multisite setup to do their own Drupal n Joomla stuffs... heh... One client has come back 5 times now!
08:34<Clorith>yeah, joomla is a nightmare
08:34<Clorith>there's a new security patch every week/every other week
08:34<Clorith>and if you update joomla, yo ucan be damned that every module that it relies on will be outdated and cause fatal errors
08:35<bob2>can you move away?
08:35<Clorith>from joomla?
08:35<bob2>get a lenny linode
08:35<Clorith>we have a deal with a designer dude, they host with us etc, and we keep this thing "secure" and running
08:36<Clorith>The other week I was restoring the same site on a daily basis form exploits
08:36<bob2>sounds like you need to update more often and/or ban shitty extensions
08:36<bob2>also hope you're running each site as a separate unix user
08:37<Clorith>oh I am
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08:37<bob2>"Joomla! versions 1.5.15 + are compatible with PHP 5.3." is a lie?
08:37<Clorith>jailed ot their own home directories as well
08:38<Clorith>seems like it, they are all runnign 1.5.23 right now and didn't work
08:38<bob2>didn't work = ?
08:38<Clorith>oh, two of them run 1.6
08:38<Clorith>didn't work as in threw deprecated errors all over the place
08:38<bob2>you mean warnings
08:38<bob2>what was the actual error that halted it?
08:38<Clorith>yeah, deprecated warnings
08:39<Clorith>a fatal error with the menu building function
08:39<bob2>url to pastebin
08:39*Deadpan110 has no experience with Joomla/Drupal, but itsa interesting - i wouldda thought that things would be forward and backward compatable... specially if ya running PHP5... WordPress have announced they are abandoning PHP4
08:39<Clorith>I don't have a pastebin
08:39<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
08:39<Clorith>I've been way too busy trying to revert back to php5 and do damage control and whatnot
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08:40<checkers>and this is why if you use popular off-the-shelf web frameworks you're just going to become a modern day sisyphus
08:41<Clorith>I like WordPress =(
08:41<Clorith>This has got ot be the weirdest warning message left ever
08:41*Deadpan110 loves WordPress but hates Matt's idealogical ideas!
08:42<Clorith>touch() utime failed: operation not permitted ... I even tried the black magics of chmod 777
08:42<Clorith>I hate joomla with a passion
08:42<Clorith>a passion so strong it makes baby jesus cry
08:42<Deadpan110>sounds like you need a double rainbow moment!
08:42<Clorith>maybe even a triple!
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08:46<Tom-A>i'm looking to reg a domain - is there any reason to pick one comapny over another other than pice?
08:46<Tom-A>my dns is hosted elsewhere anyway
08:47<checkers>ease of escape
08:47<Deadpan110>price n reputation
08:48<Tom-A>fiar enough
08:48<Tom-A>thats what i thought, but it felt a bit too simple
08:49<Tom-A>when a dns entry is looked up, does it go to tld -> registration agent -> nameservers?
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08:50<Tom-A>nameservers being my nameservers
08:52<Tom-A>reason i ask is that would bring the reliability and location of the agent's dns into consideration
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08:56<Tom-A>i have just done a bit of investigation
08:57<Tom-A>in case anyone is interested, it is a consideration depending on how the agent sets up their dns
08:58<Tom-A>looks like some may force you to use thier nameservers
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08:59<Tom-A>then on a lookup push to teh nameservers you have listed instead of putting your chosen nameservers in the tld's listings
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09:07<Null_>"registration agent" being the registrar? They have no bearing on dns unless of course you are using their nameservers.
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09:22<praetorian>Null_: dont forget you have to set name servers against your domain outside of dns
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09:23<Kuboing>anyone here knows of an SSL certificate issuer that's trustworthy/wellknown/reputable in china?
09:24<TheFirst>reputable and china in the same sentence?
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09:40<Ddorda>WT..? this is weird. I'm trying to run a site (nginx) on one domain and the server sends me thge data of a different site, even after disabling the different site!
09:41<Ddorda>anyone have a clue of what the heck is going on?
09:42<TheFirst>some messed up config setting
09:42<piyushmishra>it should be the default in your stack
09:44<Ddorda>it's not the default. actually it loads a full drupal site
09:44<bigjocker>Ddorda, wipe nginx cache, and restart the service ... and check the configuration, it may be pointing to another instance of the site
09:45<Ddorda>nginx cache? how do i wipe it?
09:45<rnowak>and if you don't have a configuration for the site you want to be shown, it is likely that it will serve the default (or first) configuration
09:45<Ddorda>i have configuration for the site i want to be shown, that what makes it weird
09:45<rnowak>perhaps it is wrong
09:46<Ddorda>simple php site settings
09:46<rnowak>have you restarted nginx after making the changes?
09:46<Ddorda>nothing special
09:46<Ddorda>several times actually
09:46<rnowak>!pb - well, post em up there and we can have a look
09:46<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
09:47<Ddorda>oh, i think i know what's wring
09:47<Ddorda>i was restarting nginx with nginx -s reload
09:47<Ddorda>now i tried to restart the service
09:48<Ddorda>and it looks like i get errors. that better :P
09:49<bigjocker>i never reload services
09:49<bigjocker>in linux, solaris, etc
09:49<priyesh>i've got a domain configured with google apps. however, apps running on my server will also be sending mail... what precautions do i take to prevent any of my emails (either google apps or from the server) going into spam? [i've heard about SPF, but i'm not clued up about email]
09:52<czr>priyesh, don't send unsolicited emails
09:52<czr>don't send html emails. don't send spam.
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09:52<priyesh>well the app will be sending html emails
09:53<priyesh>can i not set hosts which are authorised to send mail in my dns [ie. googleapps & vps]
09:53<czr>priyesh, whether your emails will be marked as spam or not is not up to SPF.
09:53<hawk>priyesh: SPF?
09:54<czr>SPF is just small part of it.
09:54<stefan2>priyesh, set SPF in DNS
09:54<priyesh>any good resources on SPF?
09:55<stefan2> but its dead for me
09:55<priyesh>same for me
09:55<stefan2>basically you add a TXT record to your dns with the IP of your server and Google apps
09:56<stefan2>v=spf1 ~all for google apps
09:57<stefan2>There is a wizard on the site
09:57<priyesh>thanks... and for my domain, do i include the server's hostname or the domain:
09:57<priyesh>so or
09:57*Cromulent always spells Modernizr incorrectly :|
09:59<stefan2>here is what I usually have: "v=spf1 a mx ip4: ~all"
10:00<stefan2>you can add ip4: for each ip you need to be able to send from
10:01<priyesh>do i need to specify host names ( or is that implied from the ip4:
10:01<stefan2>the ip is fine, the servers smtp is sending form that ip
10:02<priyesh>okay, thanks :0
10:02<priyesh>* :)
10:02<HoopyCat>!seen hoopycat
10:02<+linbot>HoopyCat: hoopycat was last seen in #linode 5 days, 0 hours, 49 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <HoopyCat> CHUG CHUG CHUG CHUG
10:02<priyesh>what do the 'a' 'mx' and then second 'a:' mean?
10:03<priyesh>i assume refrences to a and mx records?
10:04<hawk>priyesh: a and mx without further qualifications would reference the a and mx records for that same name where the spf record is, iirc
10:05<hawk>priyesh: (But you can also provide the name after the colon)
10:05<priyesh>thanks hawk
10:05<priyesh>hopefully the openspf site comes back up
10:06<@irgeek>I think there's a decoder on but the site seems to be down.
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10:07<priyesh>hawk: forgot about webcache :P
10:07<stefan2>the mx means it will allow what ever server is listed under mx to send
10:07<priyesh>hawk: at the moment, i've got DKIM setup through gapps.. is that a similar technology to SPF?
10:08<hawk>priyesh: It serves a similar purpose, but in terms of technology they are rather different
10:11<Jerub>when SPF was first popular, >80% of SPF implementors were spammers.
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10:13<synapt>Some places still require SPF, I think gmail might actually, can't recall though
10:13<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:13<hawk>Well, that's the thing, having a matching SPF record means next to nothing in terms of ham/spam/bacon/whatever... but if there is a record that does not match it does mean something.
10:14<hawk>synapt: I don't know what you mean by "require" in that context, but I very much doubt any major service rejects mail based on there not being an SPF record.
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10:15<synapt>hawk: I thought they did, I know they have an article in their Google Apps FAQ which basicaly 'Suggests' you make sure you have an SPF record to avoid possible blocking on hosts
10:15<priyesh>should i do both DKIM and SPF?
10:15<hawk>priyesh: You can
10:16<priyesh>i suppose dkim is already setup
10:17<hawk>priyesh: I'd assume that if you have multiple mailers sending mail for the domain you would want to make sure that they all use dkim with that same key...
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10:21<pierre-paul>Hi everybody, just a quick question
10:21<pierre-paul>if I buy a new linode, will I be able to choose a different location ?
10:22<priyesh>pierre-paul: yes
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10:23<pierre-paul>and I need a gui (as weird as it may seems), anybody have some tips for the best stackscript or the best distro to use for this?
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10:41<Cromulent>oo I'm liking less.js easier CSS and a convenient way to minify CSS in one = win
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10:50<auraka>one tiny little earthquake and the entire city freaks out
10:50<streety>until someone comes to your site with javascript turned off and then less.js == fail
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10:55<hawk>But... but... everyone loves javascript
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11:00<streety>I've nothing against javascript, I just don't think anyone (including Cromulent) should assume that it is available unless genuinely required to achieve something
11:00<pharaun>i hate javascript >:(
11:00<pharaun>well.... i don't mind javascript if it improves the site and add some truly amazing and nice feature
11:01<pharaun>but if its some bullshit that presents me with an empty white screen and i have to enable it just to view the site, please sir, go die in a fire
11:01<streety>much better to use the server based compiler rather than relying on js
11:04<pharaun>i don't mind JS as per ^^ but if its needed to even view the site, that's just asinine
11:05<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: As if.
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11:06<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: I did look at the URL, and I noted the domain.
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11:07<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: I knew it wasn't /r/, but I also knew it wasn't what it appeared to be.
11:07<Yaakov>SpaceHobo: It's the picture.
11:07<Yaakov>No javascript, though!
11:08<Yaakov>I have one that makes QR codes.
11:08<Yaakov>There's even a nice module for doing it.
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11:09<Yaakov>You know... that image of me is rather old... I am a lot older now. Wow.
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11:10<Yaakov>Hmm.. I could combine stego with table based images... *That* would be useful... :/
11:10<tech4him>anyone got a link or quick synopsis of increasing the size of a disk image to take advantage of the imcreased space offered by an upgrade linode plan?
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11:11<@caker>tech4him: shut down, click on disk image, enter new size, save, reboot
11:11<tech4him>Really? hehehe too easy. Thanks! I was expecting finninx distro, partiion resizing et. al. I love you Linode. :)
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11:15<pharaun>bjorne: 4
11:17<bjorne>the countdown has begun?
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11:19<pharaun>you started it :)
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11:20<blym3>i was wondering if i can get some info
11:20<blym3>i have a linode server and i am trying to set up a mail server
11:21<blym3>i am following the instructions at linode library to set up postfix mail and after the command i entered to install mysql postfix etc all that i can see is y
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11:22<pharaun>ctrl + c to break/abort the Y, its probably yes :p
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11:22<craven>All my websites stopped working, restarted apache, still down, restarted my Linode. All up but one, getting the following error in apache. child process 17002 still did not exit, sending a SIGKILL
11:23<blym3>so it means that its done installing the last command>?
11:23<blym3>sorry if it sounds stupid i just started using all that and i am a linux nobb 2
11:23<pharaun>seems like something might have broke or was entered wrongly
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11:23<blym3>it asked me if i am the root and i typed yes and thats whats happening
11:24<pharaun>hahaha yes == a command in linux :)
11:24<pharaun>its purpose is to output y or whatever over and over
11:24<blym3>ok i ll try put it again
11:24<pharaun>when it asks if you are root, what it means is did you log in as root
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11:25<blym3>$ apt-get install postfix postfix-mysql postfix-doc mysql-client mysql-server dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d postfix libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-sql sasl2-bin libpam-mysql openssl telnet mailutils
11:25<blym3>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
11:25<blym3>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
11:25<blym3>$ ==
11:25<blym3>-sh: ==: not found
11:25<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
11:25<pharaun>and ah
11:25<craven>Anyone got a spare min to help? I've not touched my server in days so I'm denying all fault :)
11:26<pharaun>you aren't root in this case, afaik most system set things up as $ for non-root and # as root
11:26<pharaun>craven: in a minute
11:26<pharaun>blym3: so you need to log in as root
11:26<pharaun>blym3: do you know how? -> su -
11:26<pharaun>but you'll need the password
11:26<pharaun>or if you have sudo you can always do
11:26<pharaun>sudo apt-get install blah blah
11:27<pharaun>is this ubuntu?
11:27<blym3>ok one sec to try thx
11:27<blym3>yea the server is ubuntu
11:27<blym3>i just started
11:27<pharaun>then use sudo apt-get blah blah
11:29<pharaun>craven: ok what are you running? a standard lamp setup? anyway
11:29<craven>pharaun: yep
11:29<craven>Ubuntu 9.10 IIRC
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11:31<pharaun>oh 9.10 is old :p well i don't know anything bout ubuntu support cycle just that 9.* is "oldish"
11:31<pharaun>anyway so all sites comes back up, just one won't and you get that error about "sigkill it"
11:32<pharaun>well is *that* site php + mysql and did you check your db/etc? is this mod_php?
11:33<craven>yep, it's php+mysql, not sure what I'd be cheching my db for?
11:33<craven>and I use mod_php for caching, the site is a wordpress site
11:34<craven>It's returning a 200 OK HTTP header request too
11:35<pharaun>well i was just thinking of some db issue, i'm not sure
11:35<pharaun><-- fwiw i'm not familiar with any php stuff :p
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11:36<AlexC_>craven: check your PHP error log
11:36<pharaun>duh, yeah ^ check your logs it should hopefully say something more
11:37<craven>jesus my php log is 3GB
11:37<AlexC_>and eh, mod_php for caching? What do you mean?
11:37<anshul>What is the best datacenter for someone in India?
11:37<craven>AlexC_: Not sure, I know WPSuperCache uses mod_php for caching. That's the only place I've heard that term
11:38<AlexC_>craven: mod_php is just a way of getting Apache to run your PHP code. 100% nothing to do with caching
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11:38<AlexC_>anshul: define "best"
11:38<pharaun>anshul: i bet UK (london) but i would recommend doing speed test/latency tests to each DC but i bet its the london one
11:39<craven>Hmm, it's gonna take me 2 hours to download my php log - any easier way to view it?
11:39<pharaun>craven: oh god no
11:39<pharaun>do less
11:39<pharaun>craven: use tail -n 100 phplog or less phplog and then G to go to end of file, etc
11:39<AlexC_>`tail -n 50` may be better
11:39<AlexC_>ah, you beat me :P
11:39<pharaun>AlexC_: payback ;)
11:40<craven>07-Jun-2011 15:40:10] PHP Strict Standards: Assigning the return value of new by reference is deprecated in /var/www/ on lin e 273
11:40<craven>loads of errors like this
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11:41<AlexC_>that's fine. Purely saying how insane the Wordpress code is, but that shouldn't effect it
11:41<craven>so php fine, apache fine, DNS fine, other sites on same server fine
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11:42<pharaun>it hates you? :3
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11:43<pharaun>craven: well scroll up in the error log some more, might have something moar up?
11:43<d-b>inb4 it really is php
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11:43<AlexC_>craven: and what about your Apache error logs for this vhost?
11:43<d-b>3gb of php logs
11:43<d-b>seems a bit much
11:43<craven>pharaun: I done up to 1000, all the same error
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11:44<AlexC_>craven: and what about if you create a file called "foo.php" with the contents of "<?php echo phpinfo(); ?>" within the docroot, can you view this?
11:44<AlexC_>er, remove that echo
11:44<AlexC_><?php phpinfo(); ?>
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11:45<craven>AlexC_: Yep,
11:45<+linbot>New news from forums: tasksel: debconf failed to run in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
11:45<d-b>craven: that's a pdf
11:45<craven>Oh, it must've not saved correctly
11:45<AlexC_>I'm going to assume that some rewrite rule you have is rewriting that URL
11:46<craven>There we go
11:46<AlexC_>with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.20, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by ionCube Ltd.
11:46<AlexC_>good luck doing *any* debugging with that crap
11:47<pharaun>what's that
11:47<d-b>its a "encryptorz" of php code
11:47<d-b>and a decryptoz
11:47<AlexC_>someones lovely idea of allowing PHP code to be encrypted. However, it causes a lot of issues within PHP - issues that make you want to just jump out of the window
11:47<d-b>isn't that php already?
11:48<AlexC_>craven: first, disable this stupid extension - unless your site requires it, and in that case, rebuild your site =)
11:49<craven>Which? the ionCube thing?
11:49<craven>I dont even know what it is? Must've installed with php5?
11:49<pharaun>... what the fuck
11:49<pharaun>(pardon the french) but encrypted php what the fuck?!
11:49<AlexC_>pharaun: exactly =)
11:50<AlexC_>it's the worlds most stupidest idea and only causes problems. For example, I have often seen them make core PHP functions act as if they don't exist
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11:51<craven>Apparantly the page is loading fine for some people? wtf is down for all you guys too?
11:51<pharaun>craven: is this like a plain vanilla word press install? if so then i don't think you need that crap
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11:51<pharaun>craven: cache :)
11:51<pharaun>craven: have them do like ctrl+f5 to force it to refetch and see if it works for em still :p
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11:52<craven>(4:49:41 PM) Anomie21: wyck: Must be the cache? refresh
11:52<craven>(4:50:05 PM) wyck: nope, prob you connection
11:52<pharaun>hard refresh ctrl+f5
11:52<AlexC_>it's working for me now, craven
11:52<pharaun>its up for me too, pretty slow
11:53<+linbot>Peng: 2600:3c00::a,
11:53<craven>wtf this site has a mind of it's own
11:53<AlexC_>well, the homepage does anyway, craven :P
11:53<pharaun>but probably something to do with me being in the USA, this is uk london right?
11:53<craven>yeh the linode is in london
11:53*AlexC_ is in tea and cake land
11:53<AlexC_>Peng: awesome, I like =)
11:53<pharaun>front page loads, if i click on contact-us it fail
11:54<craven>same for me through a proxy pharaun
11:55<d-b>craven: what kind of caching is setup in wordpress?
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11:55<d-b>try disabling it for now ...
11:56<craven>d-b; WP-Super Cache, but I haven't made any changes to the site whatsoever today
11:56<+linbot>New news from blog: June 2011 Conferences <>
11:56<pharaun>craven: is the cache linked with the other sites or are each site completely "independent" ?
11:57<craven>Hmm, might be mySQL actually
11:57<craven>getting this error on a few of my sites
11:57<craven>Error establishing a database connection
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11:58<craven> * /etc/init.d/mysql: ERROR: The partition with /var/lib/mysql is too full!
11:58<AlexC_>that 3GB log
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11:59<AlexC_>you should really have logrotate setup for all log files ....
11:59<pharaun>that's what i was wondering
11:59<pharaun>afterall if it was really mysql
11:59<pharaun>yeah logrotate your logs, and tell mysql to fix itself, i won't be surprised if it broke somehow :p knowing mysql
12:00<craven>deleted that 3.0GB log, all my sites are working again, woo :)
12:00<pharaun>now correct it so it never happen again
12:00<pharaun>setup logrotate plz
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12:00<craven>Nah, I'll be back in 6mo with the same problem ;)
12:01<pharaun>6mo? lol more like 6 day amirite
12:01<AlexC_>craven: it might be worth, if you don't plan on fixing those errors, to set your PHP error_reporting value to E_ALL & ~E_DEPRECATED
12:01<pharaun>thought you couldn't cuz it was in WP?
12:02<AlexC_>sure, if Wordpress sets the error_reporting level its self, then that'll do nothing
12:02<AlexC_>but tbh, the real solution is to just not use Wordpress =)
12:02<pharaun>*snorts* like that would happen
12:03<AlexC_>meh, I have a love hate feeling towards it. From a user point of view, it works very well. From a developer point of view, I would rather eat shards of glass
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12:04<navi>AlexC_: I'd rather insert shards of glass somewhere else.
12:04<pharaun>navi: the wp devs? :p
12:04<AlexC_>the developers?
12:04<navi>The NTP pool is now IPv6 readty
12:05<navi>I doubt the people who use the v6 pool will be as abusive
12:05<craven>I was being sarcastic I'll set up logrotate tomorrow, cheers guys - home time :)
12:05<navi>(i.e. NTP cronners, routers, etc.)
12:07*Cromulent must learn to use screen
12:08<navi>Cromulent: for what?
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12:08<Peng>Hmm, I wonder how much IPv6 pool traffic there'll be?
12:08<Cromulent>well updating incase anything happens to the connection
12:09<Peng>!dns6 aaaa
12:09<+linbot>Peng: 2001:1868:213:5::2, 2600:3c03::13:3123, 2001:1900:201e:6:6e62:6dff:fee5:821
12:09<Peng>Ha, a Linode. :P
12:09<mwalling>my ip6 address is in the pool
12:10<Peng>Mine too. Argh, I should really do something about conntrack...
12:10<mwalling>no it isn't with a score of -85
12:10<navi>Is ip_conntrack IPv6-aware?
12:11<pharaun>oops indeed
12:11<Peng>navi: Conntrack is IPv6-aware on my node. The problem is, I'm running Ubuntu Hardy, so my ip6tables isn't conntrack-aware. :D
12:12<navi>Peng: So...
12:12<navi>what command clears iptables?
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12:13<Peng>This means I can't turn IPv6 conntrack off.
12:13<navi>i.e. remove all entries
12:13<Peng>navi: -F
12:13<pharaun>navi: iptable <flush something> check manpage :p
12:13<pharaun>^ was what i was thinking
12:13<Peng>navi: -F flushes a table. Remember that there's more than one table.
12:14<pharaun>there's the mangling, forwarding, nat table?
12:15<navi>And how do I delete a chain that is now empty?
12:16<navi>Ah, -X
12:17<Peng>pharaun: raw
12:19<bigjocker>so ... any clues as to whether linode will be giving space/ram/cpu away on it's aniversary? :D
12:19<@caker>on it is aniversary?
12:19<pharaun>they tend to be quiet about upcoming stuff :p
12:19<@caker>also: anniversary
12:19<bigjocker>on linode's aniversary
12:20<bigjocker>it's is possesive, ain't it?
12:20<Yaakov>caker: Are you going to settuped it's universsary for morer ram?
12:20<navi>bigjocker: The rule for "it's" is that it must be a contraction.
12:21<pharaun>no no! html email... NO! >:(
12:21<bigjocker>navi, yes ... sorry, inoticed too late ... i had already made an ass of myself :(
12:21<pharaun>!enter btw bigjocker :)
12:21<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
12:21<bigjocker>i noticed*
12:21<Yaakov>What if it owns the referrent?
12:23<mwalling>linode is like apple
12:23<mwalling>except they dont leave iphones in bars
12:23<bigjocker>overpriced but sexy?
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12:23*mwalling doesnt think apple is overpriced
12:23<bigjocker>me neiher ... ;)
12:23<pharaun>mwalling: why not? (curious)
12:23<mwalling>pharaun: #tardigans
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12:24<piyushmishra>what do I add for a permanent redirect from 1 domain to another
12:24<piyushmishra>in virtualhost
12:25<Ddorda>when i nslookup my domain i see it's not authorized. what can i do to fix that?
12:26<Peng>!dns6 aaaa
12:26<+linbot>Peng: 2001:4f8:fff7:1::17, 2607:fc18:dead:beef::9, 2600:3c00::2:b401
12:26<Peng>me ^ :D
12:29<dcraig>peng's always got time for me
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12:30<Kuboing>DEAD BEEF
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12:31<pharaun>there's always time for dead beef
12:31<pharaun>there's nother one - cafebabe i think
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12:34<navi>I like feedface
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12:38<Peng>Holy crap, IPv6 NTP traffic! :D
12:39<Peng>I only had about ~12 IPv6 NTP clients before. With the pool doing v6 now, I have a couple dozen in the last ten minutes.
12:39<pharaun>om noms noms Peng
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12:43<Yaakov>Peng: You should have me.
12:44<Yaakov>Or, maybe not...
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12:47*Peng foolishly sets his IPv6 pool speed to 1000 Mbps.
12:47<blym3>anyone familliar with installing postfix ?
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12:48<blym3>i got that eror after editing my devocot file
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12:48<blym3>root@li306-75:/etc/postfix# service dovecot restart
12:48<blym3> * Restarting IMAP/POP3 mail server dovecot Error: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf line 921: Authentication process already exists with the same nam e (section changed in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf at line 779)
12:48<blym3>Fatal: Invalid configuration in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf
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12:53<blym3>anyone that can help me with a dovecot mail server? :PP
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12:59<HedgeMage>blym3: Don't ask to ask, it wastes our time. Ask your question, and if we can we'll answer.
12:59<Peng>HedgeMage: He actually asked right before you joined. :P
13:00<pharaun>HedgeMage: o/ i spotted your post on stackexchange site :p and was like hmm that sounds familiar :p
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13:05<blym3>i got a new error now , when i test it :
13:05<blym3>root@li306-75:/etc/postfix# telnet localhost pop3
13:05<blym3>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
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13:07<HedgeMage>pharaun: lol, yep I'm on a couple of them -- which one did you find me on?
13:07<HedgeMage>blym3: in that case, my apologies -- I didn't know you'd asked already since I just arrived.
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13:08<blym3>dont worry about it man
13:09<blym3>i found that my devocot is starting with errors , in the /va/log/mail.log it comes up with :
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13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Dovecot v1.2.9 starting up (core dumps disabled)
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Generating Diffie-Hellman parameters for the first time. This may take a while..
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Killed with signal 15 (by pid=17841 uid=0 code=kill)
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Dovecot v1.2.9 starting up (core dumps disabled)
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Generating Diffie-Hellman parameters for the first time. This may take a while..
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Killed with signal 15 (by pid=17878 uid=0 code=kill)
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Dovecot v1.2.9 starting up (core dumps disabled)
13:09<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:48 localhost dovecot: Generating Diffie-Hellman parameters for the first time. This may take a while..
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 11:38:53 localhost postfix/master[18192]: daemon started -- version 2.7.0, configuration /etc/postfix
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 12:31:59 localhost postfix/master[18192]: terminating on signal 15
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 12:32:00 localhost postfix/master[18639]: daemon started -- version 2.7.0, configuration /etc/postfix
13:09<blym3>Jun 7 12:42:31 localhost dovecot: Killed with signal 15 (by pid=18722 uid=0 code=kill)
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13:10<blym3>ou sorry for pasting
13:10<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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13:13<pharaun>HedgeMage: parenting, about um the guy who wanted to break up his child from a troublesome kid
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13:14<HedgeMage>pharaun: Ahh, yeah. That question seems to have pulled in a lot of new users, which really rocks. :)
13:14<pharaun>HedgeMage: haha yeah, it was on top of the um... stack exchange "widget" thing that shows questions from other sites which was what lead me to checking it out
13:15<pharaun>blym3: config file error it looks like ?
13:15<pharaun>HedgeMage: liked your answer btw, i was like hm this sounds familiar then saw the name and was like :D
13:15<HedgeMage>pharaun: hehe thanks! :)
13:16<HedgeMage>pharaun: Ask questions! We're doing well on all of our beta metrics except for # of questions asked (and unique visits, which sucks due to not having enough questions showing up in search engines, etc)
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13:16<blym3>any way i can check the error , i guess so cause devocot is not running
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13:17<blym3>i m following the turorial from linode library how to set up postfix
13:17<pharaun>HedgeMage: ah :| don't have a kid yet so.... but yeah if i ever have one i'll so ask there :D
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13:32<HedgeMage>pharaun: You don't have to be a parent, just in a parenting role -- nannies, uncles, grandmas, etc. are welcome, too.
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13:33<pharaun>HedgeMage: hehe yeah, someday :) my bro/sis are younger than me :p but i swear that they'll have kids first
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14:06<kenichi>does anyone know when would dig return only an authority section with an SOA record in it for what's supposed to be a CNAME?
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14:06<HedgeMage>pharaun: Well thanks for stopping by parenting anyway :)
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14:07<pharaun>HedgeMage: indeed, i just hope its still around when i have a kid, looks like a really useful resource
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14:11<HedgeMage>pharaun: I think it will be. Apart from some drama it's been a good ride. We're basically trying to teach the community some anthropological thinking as we go, which isn't easy as the average person has no idea how to objectivise cultural stuff.
14:12<pharaun>HedgeMage: ha, had to look that up, and oh ouch, good luck :)
14:13<HedgeMage>hehe :)
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14:45<newbie_chris>Is there any way to test a Linode DNS setup before actually pointing your nameservers to ns[1-5] I'm just getting REFUSED responses when I "#dig"
14:45<Peng>newbie_chris: That's how to test it...
14:46<Peng>newbie_chris: Remember that the zones are only rebuilt every quarter-hour.
14:46<newbie_chris>Peng: Yeah, but I can see the zone file, so I presumed that meant it was built?
14:46<Peng>newbie_chris: Dunno.
14:47<Peng>newbie_chris: I think that's just generated on-demand, separate from the actual DNS service.
14:47<newbie_chris>aah, done it now!
14:47<Peng>Every quarter-hour indeed. :D
14:47<newbie_chris>Thanks for your help, sorry for my impatience!
15:06<priyesh>is linode bandwidth pooled in a single account?
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15:06<priyesh>^ true :/
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15:32<robbie`> down for anyone?
15:33<@jed>we're resolving it
15:33<+linbot>Yaakov: timed out
15:33<@caker>it's just one LB .. the rest are good
15:33<+linbot>Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN A | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS
15:33<robbie`>i can still login
15:33<Yaakov>It resolves! :)
15:33<@caker>log in.
15:33<Yaakov>You have to be setup to login.
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15:34<pharaun>iz in your vps settingup the loggingin
15:34<robbie`>Yaakov: good point!
15:35<Yaakov>And since caker won't let you get setup you can't login.
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15:39<Pascalcmoi>Hi all, I'd like to get a vps and give some user acces to friend (like shell company). Is there an article on linode or somewhere else about how to configure the box to be secure. eg: prevent user from viewving other users file...
15:39<Pascalcmoi>a list of step to do before giving account on the box
15:42<Yaakov>!library jail
15:42<Yaakov>!library jails
15:42<Yaakov>Pascalcmoi: That is really going to depend on the level of "security" you want.
15:42<samferry>is the manager down?
15:42<Yaakov>It could range from chroot'ing to jailing.
15:43<@jed>samferry: we're working on one of the load balancers, it's still up
15:43<samferry>jed: gotcha
15:44<Pascalcmoi>Yaakov: well, limit the quota, the programs to use and the other users files
15:44<Pascalcmoi>i dunno, is it good?
15:44<Pascalcmoi>or too restrictive
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15:45<Yaakov>I haven't done anything like this in a LONNNG time. However, it is a fairly common thing to see people getting help with.
15:45<Yaakov>You might have to be patient until someone pops up.
15:45<Pascalcmoi>Yaakov: ok thanks
15:46<+linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <>
15:47<Peng>linbot: Pah, you shouldn't announce such trivial edits.
15:50<straterra>Were there any reported issues with Newark last night?
15:52<ajmitch>there were issues that I saw in IRC, at least
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15:53<ajmitch>about 12 hours ago
15:53<mwalling>straterra: yeah
15:53<straterra>Any particular reason?
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15:57<straterra>jed: Any insight?
15:57<@jed>12 hours ago I was asleep
15:57<straterra>Do you know who was workin?
15:58<Peng>Hmph, a real sysadmin would have Nagios plugged into his brain.
15:58*ajmitch only has a linode in fremont, so didn't ask about it
15:58<@jed>straterra: nope
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15:59<ajmitch>nanog list is rather busy today, mostly about ipv6 for some reason
15:59<Nivex>ajmitch: :)
15:59<@jed>honest answer: I'm not sure, but I haven't heard anything since I've been in the office
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16:00<@jed>my IRC client bounced, so I assume something was up
16:01<straterra>ticket time
16:01<pharaun>no issue here, my node is newark
16:02<mwalling>weber got upset
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16:05<priyesh>is IPv6 day? no?
16:05<dcraig>starts in 4 hrs
16:05<ajmitch>yes, in a few hours it starts
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16:06<ajmitch>& most people probably won't notice the difference
16:08<straterra>That's the plan
16:11<pronto>how many ISP's acuatly provide ipv6?
16:11<TheLastNinja>pronto, there are a few... but certainly not wide spread
16:12<pharaun>comcast for one
16:12<pharaun>they're "decent" sized :p
16:12<pronto>what pisses me off is that my ISP(verizon fios) has ipv6 up and running on all there routers/ect... yet refuse to provide it to customers :/
16:12<pharaun>you called?
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16:17<sent>i would like to purchase 1000 linodes and run bitcoin miners on them.
16:17<sent>where should i send the check?
16:17<straterra>sent: No where. No one uses Linode for bitcoin miners
16:17<sent>it was a joke :)
16:17<straterra>People use GPU because using CPU is a waste of money. You'll lose moneys :x
16:17<sent>and yeah
16:18<hawk>I think Linode could live with someone buying 1000 linodes even if it was for silly reasons
16:18<sent>CPU is about $2/mhash, GPU's are about 2 mhashes / $1
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16:20<ajmitch>so we just need to convince them to sell linodes with fast GPUs that could be shared on a host, right?
16:20<sent>bitcoins are a scam
16:20<sent>with extraordinarily unstable economy
16:20<dominikh>you cannot really call it a _scam_
16:20<sent>why not?
16:20<dominikh>I don't see someone profitting from it
16:21<dominikh>well, not directly, not the ones who initiated it
16:21<sent>the bitcoin owner is sitting on a hoard of bitcoins
16:21<sent>a huge hoard
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16:21<sent>potentially millions of dollars worth
16:21<sent>22 million bitcoins in existience
16:21<mwalling>he has to sell them first
16:21<sent>mwalling: easily done, it's an open market
16:21<dominikh>he needs a buyer first
16:21<sent>after he dumps them on the open market, price of bitcoin against USD will drop
16:22<sent>dominikh: it's an open market, just like forex
16:22<hawk>Well, if he were to sell 22 million bitcoins, no one in their right mind wold pay $17 per bitcoun
16:22<sent>there is a maximum of 22 million bitcoins in existience
16:22<sent>money supply
16:22<sent>bitcoin miners find new bitcoins
16:23<sent>it's a fairly simple system, but abstract in understanding
16:23<RylandAlmanza>Hello, I am planning to run a server for a game called terraria, however the software for linux has not yet been released. So, I was wondering how plausible it would be to run the server software in windows through virtualbox on my 4gb linode
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16:24<Peng>Definitely madness.
16:24<RylandAlmanza>Also, just to add my opinion to your conversation: I love bitcoins :)
16:24<ajmitch>possibly closer to insanity
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16:24<@jed>RylandAlmanza: if you somehow managed to make it work, it would run like crap
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16:24<@jed>I don't think it will work
16:24<RylandAlmanza>Jed: Why not?
16:24<hawk>RylandAlmanza: I'd suggest some form of hosting that actually provides Windows for that sort of thing
16:24<rnowak>it already runs like crap on dedicated windows boxes with with a few tens of players, don't want to imagine this
16:24<ajmitch>running a virtual machine in a virtual machine?
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16:25<TheLastNinja>linodes are time shared?
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16:26<RylandAlmanza>Ah, well I thought about trying a windows hosting company, but I hate windows so much. Once the software for linux came out, I would switch back to linode anyway, so it would be a waste of money too.
16:26<TheLastNinja>Ryland, just try it, might work ok
16:26<@jed>terraria is basically a platformer minecraft, isn't it?
16:26<@jed>I've heard a lot of praise
16:26<hawk>jed: Well, it has some similarities anyway
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16:26<@stan_theman>Oh yeah, saw that. Looks super neat
16:27<RylandAlmanza>Jed: Yes, but a lot more features. I just got into it, and I like it a lot better than minecraft
16:27<rnowak>an emerging genre, even if there have been games of similar characteristics before
16:27<jkwood>RylandAlmanza: Would it not run under Wine?
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16:28<rnowak>dotnet 4.0 and mono doesn't quite like it eitehr
16:28<rnowak>if you have access to a reflector, and know-how, you can make it run on mono, somewhat.
16:28<RylandAlmanza>jkwood: I spent hours trying to get it to work with wine yesterday. Eventually, I got it to run, but if people connected, their connections were immediately dropped. It was some problem with xna under wine
16:29<rnowak>the dedicated server does not use any XNA components
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16:30<RylandAlmanza>Oh really? That's what I heard on a forum thread, but I didn't really look into it
16:30<RylandAlmanza>You wouldn't happen to have an idea why it was disconnected players, would you?
16:31<jkwood>Oh, XNA. Yeah, that's Mono stuff.
16:31<rnowak>I began looking into it, but decided it wasn't worth it as I got bored of the game after 73 hours during the first week of release \o/
16:32<rnowak>theres monoxna, but it is a bit stale, and it does not have a fully working XNA 4.0 studio implementation
16:32<RylandAlmanza>Anyways, I'm going to try the virtual machine for now, but I still have a few questions:
16:32<dominikh>rnowak: 73 hours? sure takes you long to decide if something is worth it or not...
16:33<Peng>GLaDOSDan: ?
16:33<rnowak>dominikh: fiddling with the dedicated server. I played the game for that time when the game was released, and got a bit bored after that. The dedicated server was released far after that, at which point I began looking at it but dropped it.
16:33<GLaDOSDan>No IPV6 on ns5!
16:33<Peng>GLaDOSDan: No IPv6 in London period.
16:33<RylandAlmanza>I would probably have to do a lot of configuration in the windows vm to get it to use the same ip as the linode, wouldn't I? Or could it inherit it somehow?
16:33<GLaDOSDan>One day..
16:33<Peng>GLaDOSDan: Q4, right?
16:33<Cromulent>Peng: which is a really bugger
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16:34<RylandAlmanza>Or would I have to get a completely different IP?
16:34<Cromulent>anyone got any hints for essential vim plugins for python?
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16:37<nDuff>Cromulent,, can't say any _plugins_ are essential, beyond what ships with a full install ("vim-enhanced", in distros which carry that package)
16:38<nDuff>Cromulent, ...that said, regarding _settings_, I prefer to use ai et sts=4 sw=4 ts=4
16:38<Cromulent>nDuff: have to say the PEP8 plugin is pretty useful - press F5 and tells you if you have violated PEP8
16:38*nDuff works in a shop that conforms to PEP-8.
16:38<nDuff>...and you can't have a makefile give you that same thing using vim's out-of-the-box behavior?
16:38<Cromulent>yeah I've already got that setup
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16:39<Cromulent>just more convienent being able to press F5 and have a list of all the line numbers with PEP8 non-conformities and what exactly is wrong - personal preference though
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16:42*nDuff can type ":make" pretty quickly. Not sure a single-keystroke approach is worth it.
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16:44<Cromulent>make was spawned from the devil
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16:48<RylandAlmanza>Anyone very familiar with virtualbox?
16:49<Peng>RylandAlmanza: ...You still want to do this?
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16:49<RylandAlmanza>I'm determined. :)
16:51<RylandAlmanza>I will get this server running, even if I have to use *shudder* windows...
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16:53<Ralesk>Hi again people :) I'm trying to move my DNS settings over to linode, from slicehost. Linode keeps telling me that I have no SOA entry even though that's the first thing I must set.
16:53<Ralesk>(I'm confused, there's no explanation of SOA in the docs, and slicehost never asked for such information)
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16:54<@jed>Ralesk: what domain?
16:55<hawk>Ralesk: When do you get that?
16:55<Ralesk> -- I want to set things up, make sure things look fine, and then go to my registrar and change the authoritative NS to the linode ones. I kinda expect this to be the way of doing this without disruption
16:56<Ralesk>hawk: when clicking Check on the domain
16:56<Ralesk>zone also generates a lovely empty page :)
16:56<@jed>because you're in edit mode, apparently
16:56<@jed>edit mode means your changes will never be saved or rendered
16:57<Ralesk>I had it in online mode at some point and got the same results, but let's try again :)
16:57<@jed>since you went in edit mode from the first moment, there is no prior zone
16:57<@jed>zone loaded serial 2011060766
16:58<Ralesk>that's the thing, I set it to edit mode after the first few tries and after I'd first seen the SOA edit page (it was in Online mode initially, or so it seemed anyway)
16:58<@jed>changes to master domains are rendered every quarter hour, and it appears to be working fine now
16:58<@jed>I've set your domain to active for you
16:59<Ralesk>ah, right, thanks :)
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17:10<Ddorda>hey guys, my domain says on nslookup it is not authorized. any idea how to fix that?
17:11<Peng>Ddorda: Go on.
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17:11<Peng>Ddorda: What domain, what command are you running, and what is the error message?
17:11<Peng>(Actually, the second one answers the first, doesn't it?)
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17:14<Ralesk>jed: another interesting issue. I have two servers at the moment, one replies to everything (, * and the other replies to -- at SH I could also set up a *.niteowl A record, but at linode not
17:14<hawk>Ddorda: You're asking the same thing over on freenode too, right? And it was actually "non-authoritative" rather than anything about authorized... Which is what I said sounds normla
17:14<Peng>Ddorda: And what's the error? it seems alright to me.
17:14<@jed>Ralesk: yes you can. you need to add as a separate domain, then add '*' as a record to that zone
17:14<Ralesk>if I currently dig it will not come back with an answer (while all over hostname setups work)
17:15<Ralesk>ah, that's a bit more complicated than over at SH :)
17:15<Ddorda>the problem is that many people told me they can't access the server
17:15<Ddorda>I thought maybe its because taht....
17:15<Peng>Ddorda: And what error messages do _they_ get?
17:15<@jed>well, *.something is invalid DNS, so they were probably fixing it for you behind the scenes
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17:15<Peng>jed: It is?
17:16<hawk>Ddorda: No, it is not related to that message you saw
17:16<Ddorda>Peng: ssh: Could not resolve hostname Name or service not known
17:16<Ralesk>kinda like how you fix the SOA address to contain all .s instead of @
17:17<Peng>Ddorda: Did you recently change DNS hosts or something?
17:17<ajmitch>Ddorda: possibly caching a negative response, resolves for me
17:17<Ddorda>Peng: nope
17:18<hawk>jed: That does not say the same thing, though
17:18<Ddorda>Peng: I added few domains, but is there for long time
17:18<Ddorda>3 months or so...
17:19<Peng>jed: That doesn't seem to exclude *.foo
17:19<hawk>jed: It just says the wildcard has to be the left-most label and contain nothing else, right?
17:19<Ralesk>jed: what about section 2.1.3 there?
17:19<hawk>jed: However, I have understood that the linode manager does impose restrictions like what you describe
17:21<Peng>Ddorda: Well, there's nothing wrong with the zone...
17:21<Ddorda>So it's their DNS server
17:21<Peng>Ddorda: Pretty much.
17:21<Ddorda>it might be, we have real bad ISPs over here :P
17:22<Peng>Ddorda: Ah, there was one recent change: Some of the servers grew AAAA records. Perhaps these resolvers have broken IPv6 support.
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17:22<Peng>On the other hand, com., org. and . have had AAAA records forever, so that shouldn't be it...
17:22<Peng>So never mind about what I just said.
17:22<navi>Yay, I'm now included in the IPv6 NTP pool!
17:23<Ddorda>Peng: okay, thanks :)
17:23<mwalling>can someone ask 2600:3c03::2:2001 what time it is? ( Peng ?)
17:23<@jed>my apologies - I'm thinking of something else
17:23<@jed>you guys are right, I was testing it
17:24<Peng>mwalling: 7 Jun 21:24:27 ntpdate[8709]: no server suitable for synchronization found
17:25<Peng>mwalling: I can ping that IP, FWIW
17:25<mwalling>try now
17:25<mwalling>(fuck you ufw)
17:25<Peng>mwalling: server 2600:3c03::2:2001, stratum 3, offset -0.001081, delay 0.06656
17:25<mwalling>that should fix my pool score
17:25<mwalling>Peng: much thank
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17:25<bob2>mwalling: a+++ would sync again
17:26<Peng>Your current score is -94.3. That'll take a while. :X
17:26<mwalling>Peng: curious... whas your offset for on ip4?
17:26<Peng>mwalling: server, stratum 3, offset -0.000511, delay 0.06580
17:26<navi>Peng: What command are you using to get that?
17:27<Peng>navi: ntpdate -q -p 1
17:27<mwalling>ha, ipv6 is faster!
17:27<Peng>It's pretty much the same..
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17:28<mwalling>nuh uh
17:28<mwalling>5 < 8
17:29<Peng>6656 > 6580
17:29<jtsage>i really ought to start actually *reading* the emails from the pool. /me is also in the ipv6 ntp pool now. woot.
17:29<BarkerJr>there's an ipv6 ntp pool?
17:29<jkwood>No, they're making it up.
17:29<jtsage>btw, Peng - are you ::e:b--- ?
17:30<Peng>jtsage: 2600:3c00::2:b000/116
17:30<BarkerJr>the ntp pool guys woke up! awesome!
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17:31<Peng>Hee, pegs me as the third most popular.
17:31<jtsage>oh, look at that, that is a 2... oops. at any rate, soo disappointed... you have b000/116 and you choose b401 for ntp?
17:31<Peng>jtsage: Yes.
17:32<Peng>jtsage: 2600:3c00::2:b400/123 is for NTP. :D
17:32<jtsage>oh, alright.... :)
17:33<ajmitch>you were expecting :b00c or something, were you? :P
17:34<jtsage>ajmitch- something close to that, yes :)
17:34<Peng>-00b fit my original numbering plan, but then I spent an hour when I couldn't sleep coming up with a better one.
17:34*Peng is no fun at all. :D
17:34<ajmitch>so boring
17:35<jtsage>heh. i used a system for everything except ntp. reserved d00d and dead for those :)
17:35<BarkerJr>I'm glad I got 2, so I don't have to think about these things
17:35<Peng>If someone will spot me the cash for 10 more Linodes, then I could justify using -00b.;-D
17:36<waltman>I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a Linode today.
17:36<waltman>Oh wait, today's Tuesday!
17:37*ajmitch is glad it's wednesday here
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17:38<jkwood>If you need a barrel, I'll happily sell you one. Cash today, barrel in two weeks.
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17:40<Tank71>I have a question about the way apt-get works...lets say I rm'd my apache2 config file...why doesnt apt-get remove apache2, then apt-get install apache2 replace the missing config file?
17:41<Cromulent>try apt-get purge
17:41<ajmitch>Tank71: because it tracks removal of configuration files, 'remove' doesn't remove them, purge does
17:41<Tank71>Thanks both of you...I'll give that a try
17:42<Ralesk>in case of apt-get, it's remove --purge; with aptitude it's just purge, IIRC
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17:43<Cromulent>apt-get purge works fine
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17:44<Tank71>Still missint the config file...
17:47<navi>Tank71: did it purge?
17:47<ajmitch>Tank71: you probably want to purge apache2.2-common & reinstall it
17:47<BarkerJr>heh, the ntp pool emailed me for failures of my ipv6es
17:48<BarkerJr>they were broken and noone ever told me
17:48<Tank71>hmmm purge seems to sucessful, but looks the exact same as an upgrade
17:48<BarkerJr>it's stupid that ntpd doesn't listen to interfaces you add after it starts
17:48<ajmitch>'sudo apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common' should get it back as well
17:49<Tank71>ok ill try that thanks a lot
17:50<Tank71>seems to have worked like magic; Installing new config file as you requested.
17:51<Tank71>one thing I dont understand about *nix is how to you even learn commands like that?
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17:51<Peng>BarkerJr: Yes it does.
17:52<BarkerJr>Peng: not the old version that comes with centos
17:52<Peng>BarkerJr: Ha
17:52<jkwood>Tank71: Usually by reading the manpages.
17:53<jkwood>And remember that not just programs have manpages - config files often do too, and they're sometimes more helpful than the program manpage.
17:54<Tank71>jkwood: I always make an attempt at reading the man pages...however I rarely am able to string together complex commands lol
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17:54*ajmitch also cheated & pasted from
17:54<jkwood>It takes a little mapping, to be sure.
17:54<ajmitch>though I'd added that anyway
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17:56<Tank71>haha now I feel bad...that the answer was so easly found on Google
17:56<LadyNikon>admining your box with a migraine means trying to apt-get when you should yum
17:56<Tank71>haha :P
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18:03<@caker>oh, I mean IPv6 day
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18:05<Ralesk>Cromulent: hmmmmmm, the purge command didn't use to exist (I wonder why they haven't made reinstall a command on its own right yet)
18:05<ajmitch>caker: is reverse DNS for ipv6 nearly ready?
18:05<methecooldude>LadyNikon: So true!
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18:05<ajmitch>hm, maybe it is working, just not obvious to enter
18:06<Cromulent>Ralesk: god knows
18:06<LadyNikon>methecooldude: really its what i get for switching distros so much
18:06<methecooldude>LadyNikon: ^_^
18:06<LadyNikon>switching boxes brb
18:07<ajmitch>can only click one 'yes' at a time on the reverse dns check in the manager, a bit annoying, but it'll hopefully work
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18:09<SnoFox>methecooldude: Hi. :p
18:10<Nivex>ajmitch: last I checked it wasn't up. I've got a hack for doing RDNS for pool IPs
18:10<Peng>Nivex: A hack?
18:11<Nivex>Peng: yeah. set up a slave zone and feed it from your linode with BIND
18:11<ajmitch>Nivex: I just checked it, entered my hostname & it asked if I wanted to set reverse DNS for both the public ipv4 & ipv6 addresses
18:11<Peng>ajmitch: !
18:11<Peng>Nivex: Ha. I'd've been afraid to try that. It might be all "Omg you're trying to steal Linode's zone, *ban*!"
18:11<Nivex>aaaah! is IPv6 enabled!
18:12<Nivex>Peng: if you do it for a pool, it's more specific than the /64 announcement and shouldn't be aproblem
18:12<ajmitch> doesn't have an AAAA address though :)
18:12<Peng>ajmitch: Yes it does.
18:12<Peng>So does www, but not forum or library.
18:13<Nivex> has IPv6 address 2600:3c00::14
18:13<ajmitch>odd, it didn't when I checked on the local computer with dig
18:13<Peng>ajmitch: Cacheee
18:13<ajmitch>pasted the same command to a different sernt & it resolved
18:13<Nivex>oh, my hack zone is gone
18:13<Peng>Nivex: Haha
18:14<ajmitch>Peng: probably, I don't know what the caching rules are for AAAA addresses, whether it's looking at the negative TTL
18:14<Nivex>good thing it was just a set of test records
18:14<bly>hai i have a slight problem in installing postfix , someone that can help.?
18:14<Nivex>but still, annoying
18:14<Peng>ajmitch: It has nothing to do with the record type. Since it didn't exist before, the not-existance being cached according to the negative TTL.
18:14<Peng>s/being/is being/
18:14<ajmitch>Peng: right, as I suspected :)
18:15<Nivex>• Reverse DNS changed. Please allow up to 24 hours for changes to take effect.
18:15<Nivex>that's... awhile
18:15<Nivex>but we're in business!
18:15<BarkerJr>it's 24 hours because anything less will get linode blacklisted as a dynamic ip pool
18:15<ajmitch>that would be a bad thing
18:16<mwalling>{citation needed}
18:16<BarkerJr>cause the dnsbl nazis own the internet
18:16<Peng>Nivex: It's probably just about negative caching.
18:16<Nivex>I like peng's explanation the best
18:16<Peng>BarkerJr: Pfft, the DNSBL nazis are IPv4-only.
18:16<BarkerJr>check the ttl on any linode rdns and you'll see it's 24h
18:16<bly>hello new-user here can someone give me some advice on postfix?
18:17<LadyNikon>bly: have you looked at the linode library?
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18:17<mwalling>bly: yeah, heres some advice ERROR TINFOIL DETECTED UNABLE TO READ MIND
18:17<bly>thats what i am following through and i am about 2 steps from finishing just got a question on it
18:18<LadyNikon>you need to ask your question ..
18:18<bly>mwalling : making fun of someone new trrying to learn is really mature...
18:18<+linbot>find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
18:18<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
18:18<ajmitch>hm, a new one
18:18<mwalling>ajmitch: itym !rules
18:18<ajmitch>mwalling: probably
18:18<mwalling>bly: no one can help you if you dont ask anything
18:18<bly>well after checking the log it says to check the /home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log and when i open it it is empty
18:19<bly>sorry i am trying to think of the best way to put the question down for u guys to understand it
18:19<mwalling>brain dump into a pastebin with all sorts of relevant snippits
18:19<mwalling>start with why you looked in the log in the first place
18:21<ajmitch>relevant bits probably include /var/log/mail.log after you've sent the test email
18:21<bly>i am testing the postfix to see if its working after i sended the first mail and then the logs whici work to,, continuing it says to check the Dovecot delivery log l which is emppty
18:22<bly>yea exactly after the /var/log/mail.log i am suppposed to check the dovecot but the file seems to be empty /home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log
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18:28<methecooldude>SnoFox: Hey :P
18:29<SnoFox>methecooldude: 'Sup?
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18:29<methecooldude>SnoFox: Not a lot... you?
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18:30<Peng>ajmitch: So, that IPv6 rDNS workin' for you?
18:30<ajmitch>Peng: dunno, I have to wait 24h :)
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18:34<Peng>ajmitch: You should only have to wait 15 minutes for the zones to regenerate for it to probably work.
18:34<Nivex>I've waited 15 and am doing a direct dig against
18:34<Peng>I entered a couple, waited for the next regeneration, and got nothin'. Oh well.
18:34<Nivex>WARNING: recursion requested but not available
18:34<Peng>Nivex: Pass +norec if you want to. Doesn' matter.
18:34<ajmitch>no luck so far, anyway
18:35<Nivex>Peng: it doesn't really matter since I didn't get the answer I expected either way
18:35<Peng>The question is, will it work once everything is set up, or have we completely buggered ourselves? :D
18:35<Peng>s/work/start working/
18:35*ajmitch is hoping for the former
18:36<MacsFromGS>running mIRC on CentOS 5.6 ftw :)
18:37*jed blinks
18:37<tyler>sounds like a horrible idea
18:37<tyler>like dating jed's sister
18:37<tyler>that was a huge mistake too
18:38<tyler>Too bad this channel is PG
18:38<Peng>jed: Right, and tyler is one of Satan's cousins. When they found out about your sister they were soo pissed.
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18:42<ajmitch>bob2: don't hold back
18:43<bob2>ajmitch: but then [redacted] [redacted] it with a [redacted] and had to call the [redacted] repair[redacted]
18:44<ajmitch>ah, the australian internet filtering at work?
18:45<spacewiz>hello everyone, i need to run a java application with GUI, is it possible to do that on a linode instance? what would be recommended approach? thank you
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18:45<@caker>run it inside a vnc framebuffer, or something
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18:50<linode>hello everyone, i need to run a 3rd party java application with GUI on VPS, is it possible on linode? Could someone recommend an approach as to how to do that? What packages to install etc? Preferably on Fedora. Thank you!
18:50<bob2>change your nick
18:50<@caker>run it inside a vnc framebuffer, or something
18:51<seanh-ansca>xvfb is what you want
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18:52<nDuff>Xvfb if you don't need to interact with it
18:52<nDuff>if you _do_ need to interact with it, then VNC or NX or such
18:52<Ralesk>"Disk Delete - 539268]" <-- hmm, there's a typo in the linode manager (the job queue); also it might be better if it told the name of the disk rather than just an ID
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18:53<spacewiz>i do need to interact
18:56<spacewiz>well, that was informative, thanks
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19:05<navi>Ralesk: Interesting.
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19:12<+linbot>Peng: 2620:0:1cff:ff01::23,
19:12<Peng>(It doesn't work for me, either.)
19:13<Peng>It's really not neat. It blocks loading pages with stupid embedded Facebook crap.
19:14<ajmitch>I wonder what they've broken
19:14*ajmitch was fine with earlier
19:14<navi>happy ipv6 day from the uk
19:14<Deezire_>hrmph, my tunnel from goes offline on IPv6 day, awesome.
19:14<Peng>Deezire_: What?
19:15<Deezire_>Seem to not be responding
19:15<Peng>Hmm, could HTTPS Everywhere be breaking something again?
19:15<ajmitch>Peng: was taking a long time to load for me
19:15<navi>Apple's released a support doc much like Microsofts
19:15<navi>If yu have trouble with IPv6, disable it.
19:16<Deezire_>All of you drooids:
19:16<Deezire_>Great app
19:16<Peng>No, it's not HTTPS Everywhere.
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19:16<bly>hai , i am trying to set up postfix and i m having that issue, after i check the log i try to check the home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log and it appears to be empty
19:17<Peng>Facebook pulled the AAAA record.
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19:17<ajmitch>bly: yes, we asked before for the contents of /var/log/mail.log in a pastebin
19:17<bly>well how do i do that? :/
19:18<ajmitch>go to, paste in the text, then tell us the link to it
19:20<navi>Hm, I'm not seeing any v6-iness in my conntrack. I wonder if it's just because no NTP clients are asking for me yet
19:21<Peng>navi: Where are you looking for it?
19:21<navi>Oh, no, now I see one
19:22<navi>(cat /proc/net/nf_conntrack | grep dport=123 | grep ipv6
19:24<bly>here you go
19:25<bly>basically i am trying to check if the dovecot has a mail log for the mails that i send but it doenst have anything in
19:25<akerl>bly: ... that's not the contents of the log file
19:26<bly>well the /home/vmail/dovecot-deliver.log is empty
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19:26<RylandAlmanza>Hi, I suddenly can't ssh into my linode
19:26<akerl>RylandAlmanza: Can you connect via lish?
19:27<bly>one sec i ll find the /var/log/mail.log.
19:27<RylandAlmanza>akerl: yes, but I haven't logged in after seeing that it worked
19:27<RylandAlmanza>I'll try logging in to lish right now
19:27<navi>bly: "< ajmitch> bly: yes, we asked before for the contents of /var/log/mail.log in a pastebin"
19:27<akerl>Do so. Then check if your sshd is running
19:28<navi>Is there anything in mail.log that may be wanted to be redacted?
19:30<bly> there it is
19:30<bly>after that when i check the dovecot-deliver.log is empty
19:31<akerl>"Jun 7 14:17:57 localhost dovecot: auth-worker(default): mysql: Connect failed to (mail): Access denied for user 'barnesmail=barnesmail'@'localhos$"
19:31<akerl>That looks interesting, eh>
19:31<RylandAlmanza>I logged in to lish, and sshd seems to be running
19:32<navi>RylandAlmanza: How about you let one of us see if we can access that IP/port?
19:32<navi>RylandAlmanza: It might just be you
19:32<akerl>RylandAlmanza: When you attempt to ssh, is it failing to connect, or to authenticate?
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19:33<RylandAlmanza>The connection times out
19:33<akerl>Any crazy firewalls?
19:33<RylandAlmanza>On server or client side?
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19:34<navi>I'm not even getting an mtr all the way to it
19:34<RylandAlmanza>On the server, I'm using ufw, and have allowed port 30000 for ssh, and it's been working up until now
19:34<akerl>Same. my mtr makes it to fremont, then dies out
19:34<bly>aker1 how do i go further then nw? any suggestions, sorry new user
19:34<navi>[/ 10. /]
19:35<akerl>bly: Figure out why your dovecot can't connect to mysql
19:35<@caker>if it makes it to fremont, it's likely making it to your Linode, and either it is eating it, or on the return trip it's not making it
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19:35<akerl>RylandAlmanza: While connected to the server via LISH, can you check ifconfig to confirm that the IP is actually up on your node.
19:36<navi>akerl: My thoughts exactly
19:36<akerl>Also, if the IP is there, can you check netstat to confirm that your node is listening on 30000 for ssh
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19:37<RylandAlmanza>Hold on, switching to firefox
19:37<RylandAlmanza>chrome seems to have trouble with lish
19:38<navi>RylandAlmanza: I always use LISH over SSH.
19:38<akerl>navi: Stole my words :p
19:38<navi>akerl: Would you like them back?
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19:39<akerl>Nah. I was just going to give them out anyway
19:39<Peng>RylandAlmanza: Yeah, Chrome has issues with the Ajax console. You should access it over SSH anyway.
19:40<RylandAlmanza>Peng: Haha, that's what we're trying to solve right now. :)
19:40<navi>RylandAlmanza: You can access LISH over SSH still
19:41<Peng>RylandAlmanza: I mean accessing lish over SSH, not SSHing directly to your node.
19:42<RylandAlmanza>looks like it's listening for 30000
19:42<akerl>And ifconfig?
19:42<RylandAlmanza>Peng: I thought lish was the term for the ajax console. Is it something else?
19:42<+linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
19:43<navi>RylandAlmanza: No, LISH is external to your linode
19:43<akerl>Basically, LISH connects you, through Linode's magic, to your node as if you were physically present, rather than using remote login via ssh. You either use the AJAX web terminal, or ssh to your LISH address
19:43<navi>RylandAlmanza: You're just accessing it over the AJAX console right now.
19:44<Peng>RylandAlmanza: Lish can be accessed through the Ajax console or SSH.
19:44<SelfishMan>Dear internets: It has been nice knowing you. Hopefully we will meet again on Thursday.
19:44<navi>RylandAlmanza: But yeah, does your linode have its internet connection up?
19:44<Peng>RylandAlmanza: It tells you the login details right below the Ajax terminal link.
19:45<akerl>RylandAlmanza: From your linode, what happens if you try to ssh to your linode's public ip?
19:45<navi>RylandAlmanza: Can you ping out from your machine?
19:45<Nivex>15 minutes!
19:46<navi>Nivex: Until midnight UTC?
19:46<Nivex>navi: aye
19:46<RylandAlmanza>It's hanging when I try to ping
19:47<navi>Nivex: I prefer to measure things from TAI. So... 15 minutes 34 Seconds XD
19:47<RylandAlmanza>whoops, I typed the ip wrone
19:47<Bash>Hi, I'm attempting to set up a VirtualHost with apache to test a few versions of a website on a subdomain. I've configured the cname to, created a new VirtualHost in vhost.conf but it's still pointing to my Any tips?
19:47<navi>Bash: Has your DNS updated?
19:47<akerl>Bash: Why are you using cnames for vhosts?
19:47<Nivex>navi: well they did say UTC
19:48<Bash>I could create a A record if that would help. It's only a subdomain.
19:49<Bash>Yes, my DNS has updated.
19:49<akerl>Bash: I'd do an A. Then you should wait for the DNS to update. Then, if it's still not working, pastebin your apache vhost config
19:50<Bash>Thank you, will do.
19:50<navi>RylandAlmanza: Is it fixed?
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19:51<RylandAlmanza>No, just had some browser trouble
19:51<Nivex>caker: FYIL in the Reverse DNS tab, if I enter, it only offers to set the IPv4 address. That record has both A and AAAA.
19:51<RylandAlmanza>I can ping out, but I don't recieve any packets
19:51<navi>RylandAlmanza: Oh. Normally after people say 'Whoops' they say 'Fixed'
19:52<akerl>Nivex: Is there rDNS for ipv6 yet?
19:52<RylandAlmanza>oh, no, I meant the ip i was pinging, not that I was trying to ssh to. sorry. :)
19:52<Nivex>akerl: yes
19:52<Nivex>caker: though it occurs to me that the current host for is tunnelbroker space, which your interface is actually checking fo
19:53<RylandAlmanza>'sudo ufw status' tells me it's active and listening on the right ports
19:53<Nivex>so never mind me. I'll strategize how I want to fix everything up after WIpv6D
19:54<navi>Nivex: That's an acronym and a half
19:54<akerl>I'm still failing to connect to your node, RylandAlmanza.
19:54<navi>WID, where I stands for IPv6.
19:54<akerl>From your node, can you ssh to the node? Try ssh'ing to the public, and localhost
19:55<ajmitch>Nivex: a bit hard for linode to serve PTR records for the tunnelbroker space
19:55<navi>Guys, don't tell anyone...
19:55<ajmitch>though I think you can generally delegate that
19:55<navi>I'm eating RylandAlmanza's packets as they reach his machine.
19:55<Nivex>ajmitch: indeed. I grabbed another test record and it does the Right Thing™
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19:55<Nivex>so \o/
19:55<RylandAlmanza>Nope, can't ssh from the linode to the linode
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19:55<navi>RylandAlmanza: Even on localhost?
19:55<RylandAlmanza>even on localhost
19:56<akerl>Then it's some crazy firewall on your node
19:56<akerl>Can you check the iptables?
19:57<Solver>has the Internet crashed yet? :)
19:57<Peng>Nivex: Eh? rDNS works?
19:57<Peng>Solver: No.
19:57<Solver>I can get back to work then
19:57<Bash>Akerl: Alright, the A record has updated [to me anyhow] could you take a peek at and tell me if I happened to screw anything up?
19:57<navi>Solver: We're dragging it, kicking and screaming, into the future
19:57<Nivex>Peng: the manager is taking the right input, but I haven't seen the record show up in the zone yet
19:57<Peng>Nivex: Same here.
19:57<+linbot>Peng: [mtr] 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 1.6ms
19:58<+linbot>Peng: [mtr] 4 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.7ms (urmom)
19:58*Solver works for an RIR so it's all v6 around here :)
19:58<akerl>Bash: Do you have matching NameVirtualHost lines?
19:58<akerl>Bash: You're misusing your VirtualHost lines
19:58<Peng>Solver: You're IRCing over IPv4! :O
19:58<Solver>yeah I know :)
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19:59<atan>Will IPv6 ips be free or $1/month like v4 are?
19:59<Solver>I'm ircing from my linode which I haven't setup for v6 yet
19:59<Nivex>atan: IPv6 is free! :)
19:59<akerl>atan: You can get 4096 ipv6 addresses for free.
19:59<akerl>4097. I lied
19:59<atan>akerl, per company?
19:59<navi>Solver: I am the future - Over v6 and IDENTIFYing through SSL
19:59<Bash>akerl: Well, that would be a good answer. Could you please point me in the direction of a unabused vhost.conf example?
19:59<akerl>1 per node, 4096 added per datacenter
19:59<Solver>navi: niiice :)
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20:00<akerl>Bash: The idea of NameVirtualHost is to have one such line for each IP address, and then segregate it by ServerName and ServerAlias
20:00<navi>Solver: It's not /true/ v6 but it's enough to feel special.
20:00<Solver>I'm a bit slack when it comes to irc. I don't even use scripts
20:00<navi>Solver: ( )
20:01<akerl>Bash: So you have one NameVirtualHost for your public IP (Or * for all IPs), and then in your vhost config, all the VirtualHost lines match, and the ServerName lines define each block as different
20:01<Solver>cool thanks
20:01<Peng>navi: No rDNS? :(
20:02<+linbot>Peng: 2620::1c00:0:face:b00c:0:3,
20:02<RylandAlmanza>What should I be looking for in iptables? I should use iptables --list, correct? (This is why I use UFW)
20:02<akerl>Yes. Pastebin the whole iptables list
20:02<bob2>ufw is just a wrapper
20:02<bob2>abstractions leak man
20:03<bob2>also, poke poke ipv6 rdns
20:04<navi>lol at "face:b00c"
20:04<Peng>Facebook works now, too.
20:04<Peng>!dns6 2620::1c00:0:face:b00c:0:3
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20:05<navi>HAPPY NE... Oh, sorry, wrong event
20:05<dcraig>glad to see linode's in the spirit of things on ipv6 day :)
20:06<navi>Oh dear, carriers can't be happy with Apple's iMessages app.
20:06<RylandAlmanza>I can't see the whole iptables list on the ajax console, and lish through ssh isn't accepting my password
20:06<Bash>Akerl, so to see if I am understanding you correctly. I do this to the vhost config correct?
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20:07<navi>RylandAlmanza: run it with | more and space though it?
20:07<akerl>RylandAlmanza: Are you using the LISH pass? If you don't know it, the remote access tab lets you fix it
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20:07<dcraig>though visiting the IP directly at http://[2600:3c00::12]/ seems to give an error for me
20:07<Tank71>navi: I was thinking the same exact thing...
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20:07<navi>what's the difference between more and less?
20:08<akerl>Bash: Whatever you have on your NameVirtualHost line should match all it's VirtualHost lines *exactly*
20:08<navi>Not the literal meanings of the words, of course
20:08<navi>Ah, they're quite similar.
20:08<akerl>Bash: Are you trying to have all your sites listen on all interfaces? or the public ip?
20:09<jkwood>navi: less is more.
20:09<Bash>Public IP.
20:09<jkwood>You can do more with less, that is.
20:10<bob2>most is most though
20:10*navi 's brain implodes
20:10<jkwood>less does more than most.
20:10<akerl>Bash: So you should have one NameVirtualHost, with public-ip:80, then 3 VirtualHost blocks, one for each site you want to host.
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20:11<navi>most people have more than the average number of legs.
20:11<akerl>Bash: Each one will be "VirtualHost publicip:80", and it will have the ServerName and ServerAlias lines for which you want to serve that content
20:15<akerl>RylandAlmanza: can you ssh now?
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20:16<RylandAlmanza>Hey, it worked!
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20:16<RylandAlmanza>Did you do something, or was it just temporary?
20:16<akerl>I sacrificed a rabbit.
20:16<@caker>!/linode/status/78253958392582144 \o/
20:16<akerl>Nope, I didn't do anything. But mtr started working, figured it worked fine
20:16<bob2>caker: congrats
20:17<RylandAlmanza>Weird. Thanks :)
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20:17<Peng>caker: Do you plan to turn IPv6 off tomorrow?
20:17*jkwood waits for the tweet announcing the newest distro release
20:17<pleia2>secretly none of us are
20:18<akerl>jkwood: which distro?
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20:18<jkwood>Actually, parts of the Linode homepage are out of date, too.
20:19<Peng>caker: Excellent. :)
20:19<Bash>Akerl, happiness?
20:19<jkwood>The FAQ doesn't list any of the newest distro releases at all this spring.
20:20<navi>Does facebook give any indication if I'm accessing it over v4 or v6?
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20:21<akerl>Bash: The ServerAlias is unneeded when it is exactly the same as ServerName, but otherwise, yes. Does that config make all your sites work?
20:21<ajmitch>amusing, ISP at work only just got ipv6 transit from their upstream yesterday
20:21<Obsidian|server>navi: guess: https server certs might indicate it?
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20:23<bob2>ajmitch: $newworkisp says "we currently have no plans for ipv6 via pppoe tails"
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20:23<bob2>2011 kids
20:23<Bash>Almost, I reloaded httpd and am given a 403 forbidden error for
20:23<bob2>read logs
20:23<bob2>check perms for whatever the docroot is
20:24<akerl>Bash: Does the directory exist? Does the webserver have read access? Do the logs have anything odd in them?
20:28<Bash>[Tue Jun 07 20:12:10 2011] [error] [client x.y.z.a] (13)Permission denied: access to / denied would be the odd things that the logs have in them.
20:29<akerl>Check the docroot and the error log location, to ensure that apache can read the former and read/write to the latter
20:30<Bash>Wouldn't the fact that there is a log indicate that apache can read/write to the latter?
20:30<akerl>One would hope so :-)
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20:36<Obsidian|server>'s over.
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20:38<Solver>you can check out but you can never leave
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20:40<navi>I missed that so much...
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20:42<dcraig>caker, any idea why visiting http://[2600:3c00::12]/ gives me an error?
20:43<dcraig>the IP in "Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at [2600:3c00: Port 80" looks malformed, too
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20:48<Bash>Thank you for pointing me in the right direction akerl.
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20:57<navi>Guys, how do I deviate from the LAMP guide for Squeeze in the library to make it properly v6-aware?
20:58<bob2_>and then nothing, iirc
20:58<bob2_>oh aside from adding AAAA records I guess
20:58<jkwood>If you use vhosts, you'll want to add the ip in there.
20:58<navi>bob2_: No, the guide makes me hard code the IPv4 into it in some places
20:59<dcraig>I don't know why the guide does that
20:59<bob2_>jkwood: no
20:59<bob2_>that's stupid
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21:00<bob2>use *:80 instead of in the VirtualHost blocks, don't touch ports.conf
21:00<dcraig>if you're using name-based virtual hosting, you should have things like "NameVirtualHost *:80" and "<VirtualHost *:80>"
21:00<navi>dcraig: The guide says otherwise
21:00<navi>Exactly why I asked
21:01<jkwood>Of course, you could do that, too.
21:01<dcraig>make sure you also have ServerName and ServerAlias (if needed) in your <VirtualHost> blocks
21:01<navi>Can someone tell me what needs changing, assuming I followed the Squeeze LAMP guide to the letter?
21:01<navi>Virtualhost, Listen...
21:01<bob2>as above
21:02<dcraig>I'd replace the IP with * on the NameVirtualHost and <VirtualHost> things
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21:03<dcraig>the alternative is to add a NameVirtualHost line and <VirtualHost> block for every IP
21:03<navi>The same sites will be operating on both the v4 and v6 IP
21:04<dcraig>remember to put your IPv6 IPs in brackets, like NameVirtualHost [2600:3c00:12:34]:80
21:04<dcraig>if you really want to go that route
21:04<dcraig>guess I should have said NameVirtualHost [2600:3c00::12:34]:80 or something ;)
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21:05<dcraig>if you're using SSL, then perhaps you really do need to pay more attention to IPs
21:06<jkwood>Brackets aren't needed in the vhost file...
21:06<jkwood>That's only for browsers.
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21:06<dcraig>NameVirtualHost 2600:3c00:12:34:80 looks slightly odd to me :p
21:07<Jerub>dcraig: that's not valid for two reasons...
21:07<dcraig>and the apache docs say you need the brackets
21:07<dcraig>oh yeah, I meant to copy my corrected line when I took out the brackets
21:07<dcraig>NameVirtualHost 2600:3c00::12:34:80 looks slightly odd to me :p
21:07<dcraig>there we go
21:07<Jerub>okay, that's better :D
21:08<Peng>No brackets? That can't be a good idea.
21:08<dcraig>no, you need the brackets !!1
21:09<jkwood>Hmm... this might explain TONS.
21:09<ajmitch> says yes
21:11<jkwood>Peng: I blame you for all these times my site didn't come up over IPv6.
21:11*ajmitch would think that apache wouldn't load in that case
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21:12<jkwood>Nope, goes off without a hitch.
21:12<BarkerJr>apache's ipv6 parsing has always been quirky
21:13*ajmitch tests
21:13<jtsage>sure, why not? 2600:3c00::12:34:80 is a valid address, isn't it?
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21:13<ajmitch>apache loads, and the virtualhost still works without the brackets
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21:13*ajmitch does have the full address written out, no ::
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21:14<+linbot>jkwood: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fe8c:5b84,
21:14<ajmitch>*:80 is easiest
21:14<jkwood>Hmm... that's not quite right.
21:15*ajmitch can't ping6 that address
21:15<jkwood>No idea where that one came from.
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21:15<ajmitch>that could be a problem
21:16<jkwood>ajmitch: Can you ping6 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe96:a984 ?
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21:16<jkwood>Okay, that's it then.
21:16<ajmitch>~350-450ms latency, but that's what you get with a tunnel in NZ
21:16<jkwood>Anything come up when you visit it in a browser?
21:17<ajmitch>yeah, the website
21:17<ajmitch>as simple as that?
21:17<jkwood>I've been trying to get that thing running for over a year now.
21:18<ajmitch>good day to get it fixed
21:19<+linbot>jkwood: 2001:470:1f0e:d2::2
21:20*jkwood sets up a vhost for that one
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21:21*ajmitch can't ping6 that one either, fwiw
21:22<Peng>I can ping6 and HTTP it, from a Dallas node. :P
21:22<Peng>2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe96:a984, I mean
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21:22<ajmitch>right, it's just the latter one ( tunnel?) that I can't ping
21:22<jkwood>The other one isn't configured on my node yet - that's my tunnel I've had up for a year or more.
21:23<SelfishMan>have the interwebs ended yet?
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21:23<ajmitch>tunnels & native addressing can play funny with routing on a linode
21:23<jkwood>I may actually reroute that to my home address, actually - now that I have native on my node and all.
21:24<rnowak>SelfishMan: now has AAAA records, so the end is near
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21:24<SelfishMan>well, I turned IPv6 back on for a whole 30 seconds before something broke
21:24<navi>Their email isn't IPv6 yet, is it?
21:24<Peng>SelfishMan: What broke?
21:24<navi>I mean, google apps MX records and stuff
21:24<SelfishMan>Peng: I don't enjoy waiting an extra 30 seconds for pages to load
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21:25<ajmitch>SelfishMan: you've got something quite broken then
21:25<SelfishMan>ajmitch: no, just no native IPv6 on the client side
21:25<rnowak>yeah, he has ipv6 enabled
21:25<Peng>'s MXes are all IPv4-only.
21:25<SelfishMan>in fact, ipv6 should not be attempted at all yet it is
21:25<Peng>SelfishMan: Hence something is broken.
21:25<SelfishMan>Peng: yes. Ipv6
21:26<ajmitch>you'd better fix it up then
21:26<SelfishMan>ajmitch: I disabled IPv6 in the OS and all is good again
21:26<Peng>SelfishMan: Which OS?
21:26<Peng>That really shouldn't be necessary...
21:26<SelfishMan>Peng: windows 7
21:27<navi>Windows 7 was your idea, so you fix it.
21:27<SelfishMan>yes yes yes windows 7 sucks, blahblahblah
21:27<SelfishMan>way to offer something constructive
21:27<ajmitch>no, windows 7 shouldn't be at fault there
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21:28<navi>Looking forward to Windows 8? *pffffft snik snik snik* *bursts out laughing*
21:28<rnowak>stop being a moron, thnx
21:28<Peng>Windows 7 shouldn't require disabling the IPv6 stack to work...
21:28<Peng>Should it?
21:28<SelfishMan>Peng: depends on the topology
21:28<ajmitch>no, it shouldn't, otherwise there'd be a lot more people screaming today
21:28<navi>Bad DNS or something?
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21:29<ajmitch>windows 7 prefers ipv4 before trying automatic 6to4 or teredo tunnels
21:30<ajmitch>if you don't have a global address on an interface, I don't know if it even does an AAAA lookup
21:30<SelfishMan>that doesn't mean apps prefer 4 over 6
21:30<navi>weird router issues or something?
21:30<ajmitch>they should, unless they play funny with the networking api
21:30<navi>I hd a spectacularly large failure on my old router. It decided IP addresses should be 14 characters max.
21:31<SelfishMan>ajmitch: firefox has always prefered 6 over 4 which is why there is a preference to disable that behavior
21:31<navi>Otherwise it would chop the last character off
21:31<navi>which caused havoc for some sites
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21:32<ajmitch>SelfishMan: browsers can be a bit special in trying to get more performance, but they still shouldn't try ipv6 without a global address afaik
21:32<SelfishMan>IPv6 still on and unable to load youtube clips
21:32*SelfishMan disables and walks away
21:33<navi>IPv6 day without IPv6 is like christmas without present
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21:35<checkers>well, my sites are ipv6 now, at least in a basic sense
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21:56<SelfishMan>I hereby declare IPv6 a failure in the US. That is all.
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21:58<ajmitch>because he has issues, therefore it's broken for everyone :P
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22:11<mtkoan>so my spam score basically perfect, but gmail *still* spams my email
22:11<mtkoan>any suggestions?
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22:13<dcraig>spam score?
22:14<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
22:14<jkwood>mtkoan: Must be because you're one of those Slackware users.
22:14<mtkoan>from spamassasin
22:14<bob2>do you use spf?
22:14<bob2>do you use dkim?
22:14-!-db3l [] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.17/20110422072923]]
22:14<dcraig>are you sending spam?
22:14<bob2>is your rdns/ehlo/forward dns correct?
22:15<mtkoan>rdns is
22:15<bob2>what are you sending (plain text? html? html with creepy tracking image?)
22:15<navi>bob2: viruses
22:15<jkwood>I love creepy tracking images, myself.
22:15<mtkoan>just basic html, <html><body> no images
22:15<dcraig>I thought gmail sorta filtered spam on a per-user basis
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22:15<mtkoan>i don't use dkim
22:15<dcraig>maybe everyone else gets your mail just fine now
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22:16<RylandAlmanza>Anyone know of a good windows vps company?
22:16<mtkoan>well I tested on two different gmail accounts
22:16<mtkoan>my freaking client
22:16-!-vraa_ [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
22:16<mtkoan>email the URL out today
22:16<mtkoan>and now its going semi-viral with automated fb posts
22:16-!-userme [] has quit [Quit: userme]
22:16<mtkoan>when I told him it wasn't going to ready until friday
22:16<bob2>automated fb posts = spam
22:17<navi>RylandAlmanza: Ew
22:17<mtkoan>Not really.. user has to register/authenticate the fb app
22:17<mtkoan>to allow it
22:17<bob2>sure it is
22:17<bob2>same as mafiawars etc
22:18<mtkoan>man it pays my bills
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22:19<mtkoan>seems to be fine except gmail spamming all the emails from the sign-up
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22:20<mtkoan>responds with domain name to ehlo <domain>
22:21<navi>mtkoan: Have you checked if you're in one of the blocklists?
22:21<mtkoan>is possible, I remember I hate manually petition awhile back.. seems my ip got wasted before i owned it
22:21<mtkoan>*had to manually
22:21<dcraig>maybe the recipients flag your mail as spam, which triggers google's filters
22:22<navi>mtkoan: What's the domain?
22:22<mtkoan>navi: pm
22:22<jkwood>mtkoan: looks interesting.
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22:23<mtkoan>missed that one, I'll give it a read
22:23<rnowak>does that include: becoming one of the larger email hosting providers available before they will even consider? Or was that yahoo? ;)
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22:31<mtkoan>jkwood: final conclusion: its because of slackware :D
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22:33<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
22:33<rnowak>slackware, spamware, what's in a few letters difference
22:33<monotreme>My host has two IPs. How can I set all outgoing connections to use one of them?
22:33<monotreme>I'm running Ubuntu Natty on my nodel.
22:33<Crakers>hello do any of the ops know what has happened to amanda i am looking for her and cannot find her D: rather upsetting
22:34<jkwood>Crakers: On vacation, if I remember correctly.
22:34<Crakers>well dat is good
22:34<Crakers>do u kno for how long
22:36<Crakers>also can anyone dat works at linode confirm if dis is still on da board
22:37<akerl>Crakers: My desire to answer your questions decreases every time you butcher my language
22:37<Crakers>sorry im black
22:37*akerl facepalms
22:38<Crakers>do u work at akerl
22:38<navi>pronunciation and spelling need not both change for that reason.
22:38<Crakers>i mean
22:38<Crakers>do u work at linode
22:38<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
22:38<Crakers>well den u cannot answer my 2nd question anyway
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22:38<navi>I don't work at linode, but I own the cloud. It's in my room right now.
22:39<monotreme>lmao, I had answered my own question about forcing traffic to use one IP a few years ago:
22:39<Crakers>well im lookin for da owner of the offical linode meeting room board
22:39<Crakers>its da brown board in da image i provided
22:39<Crakers> i want 2 know if dat picture of bob ross with my name on it
22:39<Crakers>is still hung on that board
22:39<monotreme>Crakers: "da image" *rolleyes"
22:40<navi>akerl: It's a fair company. One person owns the board, one person owns the picture on it, another one owns the desk next to it...
22:40<Crakers>r your eyes jelly or somethin
22:40<navi>No, but my brain is turning into jelly from this conversation.
22:40<@jed>for the record, I signed your name
22:40<Crakers>nice thank u for putting my name on da offical meeting room board
22:40<Crakers>is dat still hung up
22:41<@jed>we moved offices, no
22:41<akerl>I keep trying to expand the poor spelling as acronyms. For instance, "da board" is "District Attorney Board"
22:41<@jed>not my office, don't look at me
22:41<Crakers>when will my wife amanda be returning home
22:41<@jed>no idea
22:41<navi>jed: When do we get IPv12?
22:41<mtkoan>this is pretty entertaining
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22:42<navi>This is 'Ask a weird question' time. All get your questions ready!
22:42<Crakers>well perhaps u should notice dat ur on an irc network not in english class and u should just read da poorly spelled words how dey are poorly spelled den compare them to actual english language words
22:42<Crakers>instead of trying to sound like some english teaching prick
22:42<navi>tm;rd (too misspelt, didn't read)
22:42<akerl>Crakers: No.
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22:43<navi>(I deliberately transposed the d and the r for the purposes of a pun)
22:43<mtkoan>Crakers: that's incorrect .. speed reading
22:43<mtkoan>the eye recognizes patterns
22:43<mtkoan>each time i see "dat" instead of "that" i lose 500ms of my life and blame you for it
22:43<navi>mtkoan: I just read it as cat and move on.
22:43<akerl>In a sense, my eyes are recognizing patterns. I am connectly each "d*" work with "this person is illiterate" and move on to "mock and do not assist"
22:44<monotreme>jed: I get a nasty ColdFusion error for
22:44<akerl>jed: After all the times I've been pointed at the "not a verb" page for my setup/login fails, I have to pull the grammar nazi card occasionally
22:45<navi>akerl: da really isn't that efficient a contraction of the, is it?
22:45<Crakers>jed i was in such panic dat my beautiful wife amanda had left me and da children
22:45<Crakers>dat i was about to call linode offices
22:45<@jed>monotreme: outdated bookmark
22:45<@jed>if your bookmark starts with /members/, it's probably out of date
22:45<@jed> <-
22:46*navi yawns.
22:47*navi yawns in IPv6.
22:47<monotreme>jed: thanks. BTW, is there a way to mount a disk image that's not currently running? I just want to get some files from it.
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22:48<@jed>monotreme: I have to answer that question indirectly: when a Linode boots, all of the disks in the config profile are attached to it, and there's no hotplugging
22:48<navi>If every linode on a box suddently decided they wanted an extra (n) GB of storage, would the box run out?
22:48<navi>(via Extras)
22:48<@jed>if that makes any sense for definitions of 'not currently running'
22:49<asdfqwer>i am back from my journey to linode
22:49<asdfqwer>Jun 07 02:02:16 <asdfqwer> where do linode devs hang out?
22:49<asdfqwer>Jun 07 02:02:34 <Praefectus> asdfqwer: in Linodia
22:50<navi>asdfqwer: Linodia's in the back of my wardrobe, isn't it?
22:50<navi>asdfqwer: Oh, no, that's Linarnia.
22:50<Parallax>I've got a Linode 512 but htop only shows 469mb available, is this typical?
22:50<monotreme>Jed: I'm sorry for my imprecise terminology. I'd been a while. What I mean is that I have a profile that I booted from, and another disk image I'd like to retrieve files from, without booting that image.
22:50<asdfqwer>Praefectus, i am bearing plentiful amounts of oats, grain, and questions
22:50<navi>Parallax: Yes.
22:50<navi>Parallax: I seem to recall that's kernel stuff
22:50<Parallax>Ah, makes sense
22:50<asdfqwer>Linarnia, sounds Narnianian
22:50<akerl>monotreme: It seems that if your config profile didn't include that disk image when you booted it, the answer is no
22:51<asdfqwer>anyone dabbling in openstack?
22:51<@jed>that's the answer I'm trying to give - configs and disks are independent, is what I'm getting at
22:51<@jed>they'll be shown in /proc/partitions -- those are the disks you have
22:52<asdfqwer>it's yet another layer of abstraction re-wrapping some set of VMs
22:52<asdfqwer>no virtualization, but an API for several hypversiors
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22:55<monotreme>akerl, jed: I think I get it. I just need to edit the current profile, add the other disk image in "Block Device Assignment", then reboot the profile.
22:55<akerl>Yup yup
22:56<Crakers>i will return when my wife amanda returns
22:56<Crakers>akerl stay jelly my friend
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22:58<jkwood>That was... uh...
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22:59<mtkoan>can't make that stuff up
22:59<akerl>dat stuff?
22:59<@jed>you guys got trolled, fyi
22:59<akerl>No kidding :p
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23:01<+linbot>jkwood: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS19108; ASN owner: Suddenlink Communications; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Suddenlink Communications; City: Natchitoches; State: Louisiana; Postal code: 71457; Country: United States;
23:01<mtkoan>meh, entertained me for 5 odd minutes
23:01<sleepyhead>Anyone here good with CSF?
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23:15<+linbot>New news from wiki: Multiple IPs <>
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23:27<atan>'NB: you must reboot your Linode via the linode control panel (not the Linux command line) in order to get the second IP up and running, even apart from dhcpclient and other service bindings. Several forums posts confirm this' Is there any way to add the new IP without rebooting?
23:27<atan>It's too bad really, as I don't need to reboot my local computers to get a new IP.
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23:30<Peng>atan: If there was, it wouldn't say that.
23:31<Peng>I agree that it sucks, but it's not a *huge* issue. How often do ya add IPs?
23:31<+linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <>
23:31<ajmitch>with things like getting a private IP address, or an IPv6 address, MAC addresses needed to change. They generally don't do this on actual hardware
23:32<ajmitch>from what we've been told, they shouldn't need to change in future
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23:34<atan>Peng, well the problem is I can't keep IPs in stock right
23:34<atan>So I need to request a new IP for every bloody https site I want to setup.
23:34<atan>This means the box needs to go down in the middle of the day to bring up a new website.
23:35<Peng>How often do you set up new HTTPS siteS?
23:35<atan>If I could keep 1 or 2 spares on the box it would be fine, and I could add more (if ever needed) overnight.
23:35<atan>Well there has been 5 in the last 2 days.
23:35<atan>It's not always that busy though.
23:35<atan>I might just need to register bullshit SSL certificates to get the spare IPs but I think that's foolish, and a dick move on someones part.
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23:36<Peng>They give you two weeks of leeway to put up a site on a new IP, so you may be able to use that.
23:36<dcraig>no need to reboot if you use IPv6 IPs for your SSL sites ;)
23:36<+linbot>New news from wiki: User:Jtsage <>
23:37<ajmitch>dcraig: which would be fine if clients could connect via ipv6
23:38<ajmitch>being able to use SNI would be nice, if we could just get rid of XP
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23:40<mtkoan>drupal is fun, but i've been cursed with the need to sleep
23:41<atan>IP v6 is going to send my session management classes all to hell and back. I can just feel it now.
23:41<Peng>"session management"?
23:41<atan>Well I lock my sessions down by IP. I also ban by IP.
23:42<atan>Seeing each person now have like 5000 ips to play with...
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23:44<ajmitch>you'll need to ban by prefix then
23:44<ajmitch>which could be different depending on ISP, some may give a /48 to a home user
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