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---Logopened Thu Jun 30 00:00:00 2011
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00:00<ajmitch>someone wound the clock back on the server?
00:00*navi comes out from behind chanlog with a screwdriver
00:00<retro|blah>I could swear it's been a minute early for a while
00:00<navi>Wasn't me
00:00<Number7>neutrinos passing through the proc
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00:00<retro|blah>Since at least before the beginning of this month o.o;
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00:02<CERNUNN0S>@akerl certainly not a DDoS but would for all intents and purposes be as disruptive if the network was unable to take the load. Thanks @Perihelion the 50MB/s is global across all Linode sizes I take it but can be increased upon request/need? If so what is the peak transfer rate? 1000MB/s?
00:03<navi>CERNUNN0S: Provided you stay within bandwidth limits, you should be fine.
00:03<navi>guvf vf gjvggre, ntnva?
00:04<navi>CERNUNN0S: I'm not sure what they raise it to/what you can expect to get when it's raised. What transfer rate are you going to be trying to perform?
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00:06<oojacoboo>hey, we're seeing our CPU maxxing out at 100%
00:06<oojacoboo>I've asked this question before and no one can ever give me a straight answer
00:06<@Praefectus>CERNUNN0S: youd need to open a ticket to have your cap raised
00:06<oojacoboo>I've been told that would just go to 400%
00:06<@Praefectus>400% is your cpu max, not 100%
00:06<oojacoboo>but that doesnt' seem to be the case
00:06<akerl>oojacoboo: Depends what tool you use to monitor
00:06<oojacoboo>Praefectus: incorrect
00:06<oojacoboo>akerl: top
00:06<ajmitch>a single process can go to 100% in top
00:06<@Praefectus>100% of 4 cores is what?
00:07<ajmitch>but you can have 4 cores in use
00:07<oojacoboo>I have one at 70% and another at 30%
00:07<oojacoboo>Praefectus: that's not how I was told it was being reported
00:07<akerl>oojacoboo: You can have 100% of total usage, which is 400% of a single processor. Use htop
00:07<@Praefectus>thats how its reported on our graphs
00:07<oojacoboo>ajmitch: yea, it can, we've seen it there
00:07<alohatone>what is your 5 min load avg?
00:08*navi is still seeing loadavg weirdness
00:08<oojacoboo>top - 04:08:15 up 80 days, 21:25, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.42, 0.32
00:08<navi>(.00 .01 .05)
00:09<navi>I'm sure it's a kernel bug of some kind. Doesn't seem to affect actual activity but still unusual
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00:11<dcraig>I'm maxing out 4 cores, the %CPU for each process in top is 100, 100, 99, 98, but on the Cpu(s): line, the percentage is like 98.1%
00:11<dcraig>that's all I know!
00:12<ajmitch>dcraig: hit 1
00:12<ajmitch>top can display a line per cpu
00:12<oojacoboo>everyone in here is having CPU issues?
00:12<oojacoboo>are we on the same damn machine?
00:12<dcraig>yes, everyone.
00:12<ajmitch>or people are maxing out the CPU just to test it
00:12<dcraig>I was just testing!
00:13<akerl>Didn't we already establish that linode hosts everyone on one dreamhost box?
00:13<navi>People are having issues with different things about it
00:13<oojacoboo>dcraig: you better not be testing on the same box as me
00:13<dcraig>I have no issues
00:13<navi>so... if we take all the working aprts of all the CPUs
00:13<navi>We can make a fully functional processor!
00:13<ajmitch>and name it captain planet?
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00:13<navi>And name it "Pentium 5"
00:14<oojacoboo>akerl: htop is nic
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00:17<kumar>Which email is best for joomla site. that i will resive form mails.
00:17<oojacoboo>lol, I segfaulted htop
00:17<kumar>* Email Server
00:17<akerl>kumar: Google
00:18<kumar> akerl: tnx
00:18<oojacoboo>joomla ><
00:18<newbie>got a php/mysql setup sitting on unbuntu. There could be a few other things lurking on it I'm not 100% aware of but other than some cron jobs and a SSL cert....that's all there is to that. In terms of porting it around..can I do a mysqldump, tar up all the files and I'll have a representation of that system? Which directories do I need to avoid tar'ing to avoid rodgering settings when untarring it on the new system?
00:19<akerl>newbie: Basically, save your configs from /etc (only what you've modified), save your site files, your db, and what you have installed.
00:19<MrPPS>kumar: Can also just set up a sendmail instance, if it's only sending out the form mails to you
00:19<MrPPS>kumar: but I advise against joomla ;)
00:20<kumar>joomla was not my choice
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00:20<MrPPS>kumar: should probably advise the people whose choice it was then - Joomla is known for it's Security holes
00:21<navi>Go Wordpress 1.0
00:21<akerl>Are we gonna rehash "Why php sites are not secure" again? it's been, what, 2 hours since last time?
00:22<kumar>i only have to change host of page
00:22<MrPPS>akerl: been 2 hours for those who were here, never for those who've only just joined ;)
00:22<akerl>Fair enough
00:22<atan3> gone? :(
00:22<kumar>navi: i agree
00:22<navi>Drupal 0.5.1
00:23<akerl>atan3: They're appstore now, right?
00:23<atan3>akerl: not sure. Tell me more?
00:23<akerl>atan3: Cyberduck is in the mac app store now.
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00:23<navi>Yay, MAS
00:23<atan3>akerl: no free versions anymore?
00:24<akerl>idk. Maybe they didn't pay their domain registrar?
00:25<MarkJ>on the topic of bad design encountered a design/dev company yesterday. among other things they do domain management and web hosting. there's not a single https / SSL based page on the site...
00:25<MarkJ>and all based on Joomla modules
00:25<atan3>Those fuckers, MarkJ
00:25<MarkJ>including credit card payment
00:26<MarkJ>was recommended to someone I know publishing a book. the book publisher uses them and of course they have no secure pages because it's by the same guy...
00:26<foreverwondering>I bet they get paid again every time it gets hacked
00:26<navi>foreverwondering: No, they get extra pay by people accidentally refreshing the page
00:26<navi>foreverwondering: That's marked as the 'tip'
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00:27<foreverwondering>most of these companies charge by the hour, so if the do security wrong and have to fix it, more work for them = more money
00:27<MarkJ>hehe yeah
00:28<navi>"For every security flaw you find in the first 14 days, we will cut your bill by 10%!"
00:28<akerl>Ok, about to dive into iptables. I'm opening up inbound 22 and 80 tcp, and 53 tcp/udp. Is there anything else that needs to be allowed?
00:28<bob2>all established and related stuff
00:28<bob2>all icmp
00:29<foreverwondering>navi, start a company like that, and I might hire you.
00:29<akerl>bob2: Got the established/related. How do I allow icmp?
00:29<navi>foreverwondering: I would have terms and conditions to it
00:29<bob2>akerl: -p icmp
00:29<dcraig>look at what ports are already open
00:30<navi>foreverwondering: "Must cause leakage of private data or exploitability", "10% discounts applied to discounted bill"
00:30<foreverwondering>Well as long as you don't set your root password to abc123, they charge me an arm and a leg 'cause you get hacked, by being careless
00:31<navi>foreverwondering: So if something was 100 price units, the first bug would make it 90, the next would make it 81, the next 72.9, etc.
00:31<foreverwondering>makes sense
00:31<dcraig>but you'll never get to 0!
00:31<navi>foreverwondering: Otherwise 11 bugs and I'd end up paying YOU
00:31<navi>dcraig: Well, of course, I did SOME work so I deserve SOME money
00:31<foreverwondering>yeah, what an internship
00:32<foreverwondering>I could live with that
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00:33<foreverwondering>the biggest problem is the long term support issue. People ignore security vulnerabilities and don't apply updates because they make more money by letting them get exploited.
00:34<foreverwondering>navi: I'd be happy with, if it get's exploited/broken by your frack up, you fix it on your time and your dime. That's what I do for my clients
00:34<navi>Well, I don't consider a product fit for purpose with security vulns
00:35<nohh>but.. most software has security vulnerabilities
00:35<navi>And security fixes are generally very cheap, aren't they?
00:35<atan3>It's what they do about them that's the important thing. :)
00:35<navi>One line change, one function call fix
00:35<foreverwondering>Yeah, but cheap means little profit
00:35<navi>It's not like you're writing a whole new program
00:36<navi>foreverwondering: I mean if you're doing it for free
00:36<navi>foreverwondering: It's not as though you're going to be spending log doing it
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00:36<nohh>depends on the problem
00:36<akerl>bob2: So something like would work?
00:37<foreverwondering>yes. That's why I think my system works, and other people's system sucks
00:37<bob2>I'd just use shorewall
00:37<bob2>also, don't change the policy to DROP, use REJECT
00:38<bob2>and do that after you verified everything else works
00:38<akerl>bob2: 20 is my ssh.
00:38<bob2>that's a bizarre ssh port
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00:38<akerl>bob2: It's sub-1024, so non-root can't mess with it, it's easy to remember, and it helps with the log spam
00:38<foreverwondering>There shouldn't be a financial incentive to create insecure stuff
00:38<bob2>sub-1024 is an interesting restriction
00:39<foreverwondering>Use the last 4 of your cell phone, or your house number
00:39<akerl>bob2: Someone here made the case that higher, and you don't need root to bind to it, which means it's easier for an attacker who compromises another account to mess with my sshd
00:40<bob2>only if they can kill ssh
00:40<bob2>which is root
00:40<bob2>which is an interesting attack vector
00:40<akerl>I figure the chance of that scenario occuring is slim to none, but putting ssh on 20 doesn't hurt anything
00:43<oojacoboo>akerl et al, how about this for proof?
00:43<akerl>what are you proving?
00:44<akerl>Also, that asks for user/pass
00:45<akerl>bob2: REJECT on those -P lines gives an error
00:45<nohh>ports above 65k are the way to go
00:45<akerl>oojacoboo: What is that supposed to prove?
00:45<oojacoboo>100% cpu cap
00:46<akerl>On what?
00:46<oojacoboo>on a node
00:46<akerl>You have 4 cores on that graph, each of which go to 100%. How much is that?
00:46<oojacoboo>they will not get that far
00:46<oojacoboo>100% combined total
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00:47<nohh>load avg .30
00:47<akerl>oojacoboo: What's your IP?
00:47<oojacoboo>akerl: who are you?
00:47<akerl>Is this a philosophy question?
00:47<oojacoboo>I'm not really keen on handing out the IP to everyone
00:47<amitz>alter ego of c4ker.
00:48<akerl>oojacoboo: Then ab your own web server, and watch your usage spike past 100% total.
00:48<akerl>JoeK: The node is more useful than his house
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00:49<nohh>aw man and I was hoping linode was running a DC out of a house using charter cable
00:49<oojacoboo>akerl: I am watching this shit sit on 100%
00:49<oojacoboo>can't get past it
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00:50<oojacoboo>JoeK: I'm not hiding my identity
00:50<retro|blah>I'm pretty sure I push 200% and higher when compiling stuff on this machine...
00:50<nohh>in that screenshot you posted you already have 3 mysql processes combining for 63+46+17 = 126%
00:50<oojacoboo>well, then it's my box
00:50<oojacoboo>nohh: yea, but look at the cores at the top
00:50<oojacoboo>they do conflict
00:50*akerl holds up the "Myth Busted" sign.
00:51<akerl>oojacoboo: What have you done to increase server load?
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00:52<oojacoboo>we're running some heavy mysql queries
00:52<akerl>I mean since the "zomg my server is broke" phase
00:53<oojacoboo>there wasn't any zomg my server is broke...
00:53<oojacoboo>just saying that everything points to it being capped at 100%
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00:53<akerl>"<oojacoboo> well, then it's my box"
00:53<oojacoboo>if you say you can push beyond, I am telling you we can't
00:53<oojacoboo>so, therefore, it would be the box I am on
00:54<pharaun>oojacoboo: then get bigger box, problem solved?
00:54<pharaun>you get a bigger slice of the cpu, ram, etc
00:54<oojacoboo>is it?
00:54<oojacoboo>b/c I was told that's not how it works
00:54<nohh>or the tests you're running are all on a single thread
00:54<oojacoboo>nohh: they appear to be distributed
00:54<nohh>how so?
00:55<dcraig>I think you need to run more stuff if you want to use more cpu
00:55<pharaun>what were you told?
00:55<oojacoboo>pharaun: CPU allotment isn't based on the node size
00:55<pharaun>oojacoboo: oh it is... indirectly
00:55<pharaun>moar stuff on the node, higher chance/other people are using the cpu too :p
00:55<akerl>oojacoboo: My bet is that your mysql conf is hitting it's max limit, and not going above it.
00:56<nohh>isn't it odd to see CPU being the bottleneck for sql anyway?
00:56<pharaun>bigger node you have, the less other people on the node, thus odds is you get moare cpu
00:56<oojacoboo>akerl: mysql config for cpu?
00:56<akerl>oojacoboo: mysql conf for mysql. Which is what's using cpu
00:56<oojacoboo>yes, but what setting are you referring to
00:56<akerl>oojacoboo: No idea. I didn't write your mysql conf
00:57<pharaun>just dump it all to pastebin?
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00:57<@caker>mysql being cpu bound can mean you need to tune the config, add indexes, or write more intelligent queries
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00:58<@caker>a bad thread(query) can burn through them cycles!
00:59<pharaun>also um would slow query thingie help (keep track of slow queries) could help track down troublesome queries
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00:59<nohh>figured it'd be slowed down more by page faults if it was doing a table scan
01:00<oojacoboo>pharaun: slow query thingie?
01:00<nohh>guess it all depends
01:00<pharaun>i don't use mysql :) so i don't know what they call it, but you can tell it to keep track and have it tell you what the slow queries are
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01:01<rnowak>slow queries log
01:01<rnowak>or "slow query log"; the entry in the reference manual
01:02<nohh>aptly named
01:02<pharaun>i was just taking a wild arse guess there :p i knew mysql had a slow queries something :p
01:03<akerl>Interesting. When I do iptables-save, I get my rules at the bottom, but a ton of other ACCEPT lines above. What are they for?
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01:04<nohh>they are for other things besides the rules you really care about
01:04<akerl>Do I want them in my file for iptables-restore?
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01:04<nohh>won't hurt but they're not required afaik
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01:09<auraka>all right...where is jed/caker
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01:10<akerl>Probably sleeping
01:11<nohh>caker just said something a few minutes ago
01:11<nohh>he's watching you....
01:11<navi>the caker is a lie
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01:32<newbie>akerl: cheers for thoughts. so if I'm wanting to just drop an existing setup onto a new underlying OS (say a different edition) I tar up the whole file system besides the /etc and that will ensure what I untar onto the new system won't interfere with that new system's settings?
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01:36<bob2>== insane
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01:42<navi>The BBC trying to make a graphic look technical
01:42<navi>has all that fake techy-code scrolling down the side
01:43<navi>I paused it on the HD channel and can read it
01:43<bob2>is it backwards katakana like in the matrix?
01:43<navi>"generic.exe f12011.html High Definition STOP save_us.cjs Launch_19"
01:44<navi>"polelap.sting digital.txt replay C:/Desktop/Polelaps RUN CHECK Repeat as above"
01:44<navi>Is what it says.
01:44<navi>Oh, sorry, I missed a bit
01:45<navi>f12011.html High Definition should read f12011.html run progresse_bbc1HD High Definition
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01:46<navi>bob2: Isn't that awesome face technology?
01:46<pharaun> may be of interest to folks in here who uses s3
01:46<@Praefectus>pharaun: ya, inbound is free now
01:46<pharaun>looks like the data charge is now 0$ for all inbound traffic
01:47<pharaun>thats going to be *nice* for my backups
01:47<navi>actually, I think it says run progr****_bbc1HD
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01:48<nohh>i also keep my polelaps in my c:\desktop folder
01:48<navi>No, they're using windows filepaths but with /
01:48<navi>the wrong way slash
01:49<nohh>Windows is smart they can figure it out
01:49<navi>Also, Desktop isn't in the C: drive
01:49<navi>it's in the Users folder (or equivalent)
01:50<navi>The desktop is specific to the login, not to the machine...
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01:51<navi>I wish that they'd use real jargon on those kinds of screen
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02:27<newbie>kinda like all the computers in movies beep..if that really happened with your home computer you'd boot it
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02:33<+linbot>New news from forums: What environment we need? in Performance and Tuning <>
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02:56<Dharmesh>i have created a ftp user, i dont want to allow him to access through ssh and also dont want allow to see other directories on ftp client except home directory i have updated sshd_config file to add necessary statements and restart it but when i try to connect with that user from ftp it goes in loop and try reconnect everytime
02:57<bob2>probably best to not use ftp
02:57<bob2>since it's 2011
02:57<atan3>Dharmesh: use sftp
02:57<atan3>Dharmesh: and check out sftp jails in the library
02:57<bob2>and not 1986
02:57<Dharmesh>yes the user is sftp
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04:55<+linbot>New news from forums: MYSQL keeps breaking down after restore. in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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05:13<AndrewMac>hi friends!
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05:15<AndrewMac>okay, so i have a mysql db with ~70K text entries,random stuff, varying in size and im trying to do a like search within it
05:15<AndrewMac>but its pretty slow
05:15<AndrewMac>like 5.5seconds for a select * from textfield where text like '%term%';
05:15<AndrewMac>ive added fulltext indexing to that field
05:16<AndrewMac>is there anything else i can do to improve the speed
05:16<AndrewMac>getting linode disk io mails every 2 hours :/
05:16<AndrewMac>they make me sad
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05:18<dcraig>do like a search?
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05:19<dcraig>you could just increase the threshold for the emails...
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05:20<lamba>i realise this is a long shot, but if i used to have a linenode in the london dc, and shut down my account, and now start up a new account, can i request the old ip be given back to this linnode ? It'd save me updating the config files in the backup image and dns settings.
05:20<lamba>as far as i can tell the old ip is still unused
05:20<AndrewMac>dcraig: do a *like* search
05:20<dcraig>like ok
05:21<dcraig>lamba, you can probably request whatever you want via a ticket
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05:24<nohh>AndrewMac: have you done an explain on the query to make sure it's doing what you expect?
05:24<lamba>ok, ive rasied a ticket. didnt know if it was even technically feasable to do, thanks.
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05:26<nohh>I believe you'll find that it isn't, I don't believe LIKE queries use fulltext indices
05:26<Dharmesh>Any body there?
05:26<AndrewMac>nohh, it is doing what i want
05:26<AndrewMac>is there a better way ?
05:26*dcraig tickles dharmesh around a bit with a large snipe eel
05:26<Dharmesh>any staff member are there?
05:27<nohh>if you do a lot of searching you can look into something like Solr
05:31<AndrewMac>thank you nohh
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05:31<AndrewMac>when i use the match() against syntax it seems to give me less results for some reason
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05:33<nohh>what was the search term?
05:37<AndrewMac>so err
05:37<nohh>well fulltext searching isn't just substring matching so you shouldn't expect exactly the same results
05:38<AndrewMac>i suspect its probably a case sensitivity issue
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05:56<newbie>greetings...Ubuntu 10.04.2 LTS = desktop & Ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS = server?
05:58<@heckman>newbie: What?
05:59<@heckman>newbie: Desktop / Server has notthing to do with the version numbers
06:01<newbie>heckman: sorry about that..this page renders slightly jumbled in FF and I thought that .1 & .2 were talking about server & desktop?
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06:02<@heckman>Renders that way everywhere because it's a cruddy formatted site
06:03<newbie>heckman: heh..nice to know it isn't just me (for once)
06:05<newbie>heckman: I ask because my journey from 9.04 has landed me in 10.04.2 which I was worried was meaning desktop. didn't make sense to me but heck..if you don't know it wouldn't make I wanted to check. thanks
06:07<newbie>what does "etc" stand for in /etc? Extraterrestrial Crap?
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06:08<@heckman>Do you know what "etc" is?
06:08<newbie>Eat The Cow? (yum)
06:09<newbie>heckman: as in et cetera?
06:09<@heckman>You've never had someone use the word etcedera in conversation?
06:09<encode>et cetera***
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06:10<encode>urmom did, last night
06:10<newbie>heckman: that's it. thought perhaps there was something more profound than that. like the meaning of's got the kernel and all after all..
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06:10<@heckman>The more you know:
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06:12<newbie>heckman: thanks for link. looks like etc has been taken to mean other things too
06:14<praetorian>anyone not got google+
06:14<praetorian>poor people.
06:14<newbie>SpaceHobo = Extraterrestrial Commander?
06:15<@heckman>I'm hopeful I'll get one
06:15<praetorian>heckman: one day son
06:15<praetorian>its quite nice.. i like it
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06:17*newbie is behind the times..not so into the social stuff on internet..I mean..who honestly wants a tweet from me that I'm off to the toilet?
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06:17<newbie>spacehobo: from where?
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06:19<newbie>..and if there was someone who does..frankly, it'd be creepy
06:20<praetorian>hmm, newbie is from .au
06:21<praetorian>newbie: did you ever use a longer version of that nick?
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06:22<chesty>area man constantly mentions he doesn't have a google account (or a smart phone)
06:23*newbie thinks that SpaceHobo maybe has been eating extraterrestrial crap...
06:24<newbie>praetorian: nah..that would be too complicated for a newbie..
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06:25<newbie>praetorian: you knew one with a longer version?
06:25<praetorian>hew called himself, somenewbie
06:25<praetorian>but that was a long time ago
06:25<praetorian>just random asking ;-)
06:25<praetorian>very little chance it was.
06:26<newbie>praetorian: maybe a newbie no more
06:26<newbie>..perhaps a spacehobo? ;)
06:27<newbie>spacehobo: this social networking thing seems to have hit a nerve with you..
06:28<praetorian>no, i dont think he went that bad
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06:29<newbie> could argue that perhaps IRC was the original social networking?
06:30<newbie>thing about beer tends to screw up lines of communication the more you use it..
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06:46*newbie wonders if the mention of "social" has killed the conversation..
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06:49*Deadpan110 looks around
06:51*newbie hears a pin drop
06:51<newbie>..onto deadpan
06:52<Nivex>adult social network?
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07:04<Deadpan110>sorry... was on Facebook :P
07:04<chesty>facebook is so yesterday
07:05<newbie>any1 else here notice they can't use they mouse scroller to go up and down in FF5?
07:05<nohh>works for me
07:06<newbie>nohh: it did for me but as of today it just wouldn't work. works with other app's
07:06<chesty>FF5 is so yesterday
07:07*newbie thinks chesty is in a yesterday mood
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07:07<nohh>saying things are yesterday is so two days ago
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07:08<Nivex>that's when all his troubles seemed so far away
07:09<nohh>no no, you say goodbye and I say hello
07:09<Dharmesh>sudo usermod -s /bin/false user
07:10<newbie>easy on the magic mushrooms hobo
07:10<Dharmesh>i executed this command and sftp user not working
07:11<newbie>he ate too many magic mushrooms too
07:11<newbie>interesting tactic
07:12<nohh>not van morrison's finest work
07:12<newbie>dharmesh: wish i could help you but you'll have to get some ideas from wiser heads around here
07:13<Dharmesh>i am placing my question in front of the staff members
07:13<Dharmesh>but no answer
07:13<nohh>this is 'community support'
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07:14<Dharmesh>how can i get answer from them?
07:15<newbie>dharmesh: spit your dummy
07:15<nohh>SpaceHobo: idk i like Tupelo Honey
07:15<newbie>spacehobo: might actually be better than some of the stuff that's being made now
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07:15<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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07:16<newbie>it's actually a little strange that no one has any helpful answers
07:17<A-KO>helpful answers to what?
07:17<A-KO>it's 7:17AM on the US east coast :P
07:17<@ericoc>so early
07:17<newbie>brains away i guess :)
07:18<newbie>not too early to sing about ring worms though apparently..
07:18<A-KO>but in short, Dharmesh, I do believe a valid shell is required for SFTP
07:19<@ericoc>won't the SSH server just be like "no, go away" if its /bin/false
07:19<A-KO>it will
07:19<A-KO>Gives an idea on how to do this
07:19<@ericoc>or /bin/nologin
07:19<A-KO>looks like there's a restricted shell that will restrict to SFTP/RSYNC/etc without allowing SSH/Shell access
07:19<newbie>dharmesh: there you go..all you have to do is ask :)
07:19<A-KO>or google
07:20<A-KO>google had it on the first link
07:20<A-KO>first link if you google "sftp shell"
07:20<nohh>newbie: generally people don't jump on the chance to answer questions that are easily google-able
07:20<@Praefectus>people also dont answer pms if theyre random and you dont ask permission first either
07:20<A-KO>I get that all the time :(
07:21<nohh>no one ever PMs me :(
07:22<newbie>nohh: fair enough
07:22<newbie>there there no PM love for a-ko & nohh
07:22<A-KO>I still don't understand all the hate for FTP :P especially with Implicit SSL FTP configuration :P but okay.
07:22*newbie thinks spacehobo would happily PM about ring worms to them though
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07:24<@ericoc>i PM myself reminders to do things
07:24<A-KO>I use sticky notes in Windows for that :P
07:24<nohh>note to self, quit talking to yourself
07:24<@ericoc>finding a pen and sticky note usually requires that i get up
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07:25<A-KO>no no ericoc, Windows has built-in sticky notes in 7 :P
07:25<@ericoc>the osx sticky note thing would work i guess, but i'm always in a terminal anyways
07:25<A-KO>create a cron job?
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07:26<newbie>oh no..i got that..what am I becoming..?
07:26<A-KO>create a cron job that closes down your active process forcefully without saving any work so you'll be forced to work on whatever it is that you were reminded of and "not wait another 15 minutes" :P
07:27<A-KO>in other news, my cat is trying desperately to use my keyboard as a bed
07:28<newbie>at least not as a kitty litter bed
07:28<nohh>he heard keyboard cats were cool?
07:28<newbie>no..was after the mouse
07:28<newbie>i bad
07:29<nohh>maybe he was trying to catch some Zs
07:29<A-KO>oh, there she goes, managing to use half the keyboard
07:29<A-KO>off to work :P
07:31<newbie>boy it's annoying that FF doesn't let me scroll now..some "upgrade"
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08:01<kiwi>hello, i would like to remove linode account
08:01<kiwi>so no more payment charge
08:01<kiwi>how should i do it ?
08:01<akerl>kiwi: Just delete the linode from the manager
08:01<kiwi>just click the node and remove ?
08:02<akerl>Click the remove button next to the node, yes
08:02<kiwi>ok done
08:02<kiwi>so no more [payment charge right ? :D
08:02<akerl>Assuming you don't still owe them money from the past, and you now have no nodes
08:03<kiwi>thx !
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08:33<praetorian>quiet in here.
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08:34<HoopyCat>sorry, turtles on the runway.
08:34<praetorian>murder on the dancefloor
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08:36<nohh>disco biscuit
08:37<TheEvilLime>Hi. I've just started using linode, moving from shared hosting beforehand, and I'm having problems configuring the basic webserver. I've followed the LAMP guide but I guess I must have missed a step or something, as things aren't quite working. I was wondering if anyone felt like maybe pointing me towards a tutorial or something that might help. I've got a domain name pointing to the machine, but when I go to that domain it becomes the machine's IP i
08:37<TheEvilLime>the URL bar of my browser. It also doesn't seem to access the public_html folder that's in place for that domain from the LAMP tutorial.
08:37<praetorian>"omes the machine's IP i
08:37<TheEvilLime>As the tiny little index.html page doesn't load
08:37<praetorian>cut off after that
08:38<TheEvilLime>in the URL bar of my browser. It also doesn't seem to access the public_html folder that's in place for that domain from the LAMP tutorial.
08:38<praetorian>ah right
08:39<aot2002>TheEvilLime, pastebin your httpd.conf and virtual hosts conf for apache
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08:40<marius>he the linode article was followed, we only need the virtual host one tbh
08:40<TheEvilLime>Thats the thing. The httpd.conf file wasn't mentioned in the article
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08:41<marius>exactly, there's no need ot touch the httpd.conf fiole you installed through a package manager I suspect
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08:43<tarams>I had a quick question. What does this mean "Current status: 0 updates [-21]." when I do aptitude dist-upgrade
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08:45<marius>nothing to update
08:46<tarams>marius: It did this after tons of messages saying "Setting up ..." . So did the upgrade happen ?
08:46<marius>it installed 21 updates, there are 0 remaining
08:46<marius>basically when you did aptitude update
08:46<marius>it would've said [+21]
08:47<marius>then you did your thing, it's now saying -21 because it installed the 21 it found
08:48<tarams>marius: perfect. thanks a ton. Haven't seen such messages much.
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08:49<marius>I'm helping :3
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08:49<Nivex>marius: don't make me get Perihelion and a cactus :)
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08:50<TheEvilLime>This is what's in the site's config file:
08:50<TheEvilLime> ServerAdmin
08:50<TheEvilLime> ServerName
08:50<TheEvilLime> ServerAlias
08:50<TheEvilLime> DocumentRoot /srv/www/
08:50<TheEvilLime> ErrorLog /srv/www/
08:50<marius>!paste TheFirst
08:50<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
08:50<TheEvilLime> CustomLog /srv/www/ combined
08:50<marius>I tabfailed
08:50<marius>but yeah
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08:51<marius>Did yo ucheck your error.log ?
08:51*Perihelion slaps marius around a bit with a large cactus
08:51*Perihelion slaps Nivex around a bit with a large cactus
08:51<@Perihelion>Well, my work here is done.
08:51<TheEvilLime>nothing in there bar some complaints about some lines I've since removed from the config (favicon stuff)
08:52<storrgie>where do you guys buy your ssl certificates?
08:52<Nivex>Perihelion: hey! Whose side are you on?!
08:52<TheEvilLime>I'm guessing the cactus'
08:52<aot2002>storrgie, I buy mine online
08:52<@Perihelion>Nivex: My own, clearly
08:52<Nivex>Perihelion: Good answer.
08:52<storrgie>aot2002, really?
08:53<storrgie>revision: which certificate authority do people typically do business with?
08:53<aot2002>storrgie, this is where I get mine
08:53<storrgie>Do I have to buy a different cert for each subdomain?
08:53<aot2002>higher encryption means higher prices
08:54<aot2002>yes unless you buy a wild cert
08:54<storrgie>aot2002, wild certs expesnive?
08:54<aot2002>I'm not sure never bought one
08:54<storrgie>aot2002, ughhhh 400$ a year
08:54<aot2002>yeah figures
08:54<storrgie>aot2002, I was just doing this for my personal domain
08:55<storrgie>aot2002, I'll be not doing this....
08:55<aot2002>You could just point them to a subdomain when needing the SSL
08:55<aot2002>buy one cert
08:55<storrgie>aot2002, nah, i host a lot of silly services to try out different technologies
08:55<storrgie>wouldnt want to front it through a single domain
08:55<Nivex>for personal, self-signed is probably adequate. I use cacert for mine.
08:55<TheEvilLime>It might be that the DNS isn't set up right. I only moved the domain for testing purposes maybe 18 hours ago
08:56<aot2002>storrgie, what about self signed
08:56<storrgie>yeah I typically do this actually
08:56<storrgie>but then you dont get the nice browser support
08:56<aot2002>TheEvilLime, I get your domain name and HELLO ALL
08:56<aot2002>TheEvilLime, seems to be working from here
08:57<TheEvilLime>ah... sod
08:57<storrgie>aot2002, do you ever have issues with they do actually have a cheap cost
08:57<aot2002>storrgie, yup they won't let you change things in some cases unless it's within the 30-45 day range
08:58<TheEvilLime>I have just changed the config while retrieving it, maybe that did it
08:58<aot2002>Seems ok
08:58<aot2002>it's serving it up
08:58<aot2002>storrgie, while switching servers years down the road some places will update the cert
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08:59<aot2002>storrgie, since your never leaving linode that should not be an issue
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08:59<storrgie>aot2002, the second comment I find amusing, and yes Linode is really quite good. I have no reason to leave
08:59<storrgie>aot2002, you're first comment about switching servers. typically these certs are just fronted through a websever... shouldn't I be able to move them around as needed?
09:00<aot2002>I had to change something in a cert I cannot recall what but whatever it was back then it couldn't be done unless within 30-45 days
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09:01<TheEvilLime>Ok, works fine for me now too. Still doesn't work with the www... but that's a different issue
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09:02<aot2002>TheEvilLime, serveralias
09:03<aot2002>TheEvilLime, you need to add that to your conf for serveralias
09:03<TheEvilLime>Yeah... that's in the config. I shall check it carefully for spelling errors
09:03<aot2002>k let me try it
09:03<marius>Did you recently move the DNS ?
09:03<marius>DNS can take some time to propogate after all
09:03<aot2002>yup your www works fine
09:04<TheEvilLime>Ok... that's just odd
09:04<HoopyCat>DNS doesn't propagate; it caches.
09:05<aot2002>TheEvilLime, your isp or whereever you connect to has it cached so either wait a while or use another dns like google for the day
09:05<TheEvilLime>I figured it might have to do with the DNS spreading
09:05<aot2002>or a proxy
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09:05<TheEvilLime>my IP does suck something awful
09:05<HoopyCat>DNS doesn't spread; your local nameserver just forgets and has to ask again
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09:06<HoopyCat>TheEvilLime: as long as it doesn't keep the record cached for longer than the TTL, this is not evidence of it sucking :-)
09:06<TheEvilLime>But my connection failing at least once a day is
09:07<TheEvilLime>However, as I don't pay the bill, I can't complain
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09:07<TheEvilLime>Or, rather, shouldn't
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09:09<TheEvilLime>I actually use the google DNS as standard.. however, I think I'll just leave it a few hours and see. This is just an experiment in whether I should abandon the shared hosting I use due to recent slowness. I have actual work that will matter today to get back to. Thanks for the help folks.
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09:11<HoopyCat>google DNS typically sticks to the TTL quite closely, to the point of being infuriating if you're used to opendns's cachecheck
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09:16<danielHome>how long is the host supposed to take to restart a linode after maintenance? It's been about 15 minutes and the job is still waiting
09:16<jayvee>depends whether a job prior to it is in progress
09:16<jayvee>it does one job at a time
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09:18<praetorian>weirdly, ive seen to other people on twitter mention issues with linodes, but probably unrelated
09:18<praetorian>one was in dallas
09:20<danielHome>yeah, the reason I'm asking is that my host (dallas182) had to be restarted - I got the ticket emails, but they said the host should be up now
09:20<Daevien>danielHome: put in a ticket / reply to the current one (i think they make one when your host has issues of any kind) and you shoudl get an answer right away, they are very quick on replying
09:20<danielHome>I wouldn't expect starting a hundred VMs or however many the host runs to take 15 minutes
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09:21<nohh>all of them, on one giant supercomputer
09:22<Daevien>nohh: when did a 486 in caker's basement become a supercomputer?
09:22<hawk>Daevien: That's the cloud, that you're talking about
09:23<Daevien>hawk: no, caker runs two 386s for that, just to say it is distributed
09:23<nohh>Daevien: he pressed the turbo button
09:23<hawk>(as seen on xkcd )
09:25<Daevien>i do wonder if randall got the idea for that from this channel :p
09:26<praetorian>caker upgraded the 486
09:26<praetorian>its now a p2 with windows me
09:26*Daevien shudders
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09:27<Daevien>windows vista: windows me, attempt 2!
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09:30<hawk>Windows Vista wasn't as bad as ME... I mean, it could apparently be fixed by pretty much doing some superficial ui changes and most important changing the name
09:30<praetorian>Confirm or Deny?
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09:31<hawk>praetorian: What are we confirming or denying?
09:31<praetorian>it's vista.. so anything
09:32<nohh>i have vista on a laptop, i dont know what all the fuss is about
09:32<nohh>never had a problem with it
09:32<hawk>nohh: To a large extent my impression is that it got hip to hate it
09:33<praetorian>i had ultimate on my pc before it died and i put on windows 7
09:33<praetorian>it was *ok*.. but it was a poor attempt
09:33<Daevien>hawk: vista after sp1 was sorta ok. sp2 made it usable then was replaced by win7 which is like driving a bently and vista is like driving a pinto
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09:34<praetorian>no, it was more like driving a volvo
09:35<praetorian>looks good, but its still notlinux
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09:35<hawk>Daevien: What makes it like driving a bently? The taskbar change? :>
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09:35<praetorian>my windows 7 desktop at work.. the taskbar is fozen.
09:36<praetorian>buttons still seem to work.. but time is stuck on 1:18PM from some day.. and all the icons are in the state they were when it crashed.
09:36<praetorian>i see no resason to reboot tho
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09:37<praetorian>so one tsak i wanna do..
09:37<praetorian>convert our work solaris app to linux
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09:37<praetorian>cant be hard... right? ;)
09:37<Daevien>win7 works better in pretty much every way & runs pretty well. i'd be completely linux / bsd if it wasn't for the fact that win7 actually does the job quite well and actually made me like it
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09:41<hawk>Daevien: I'm just saying I never noticed a great difference
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09:41<Daevien>you didn't use vista much.. or you use dit after the SPs were out for it then
09:41<mrevd>any have a guide for proper webserver permissions and user groups
09:42<Daevien>vista was utter shit pre-sp1 :p
09:42<hawk>Daevien: I mostly used it post-SP1
09:42<Daevien>mrevd: shodul be one on the linode library ( ) but i don't have a direct link right off hand
09:43<hawk>Daevien: My pre-SP1 experiences apparently didn't reveal the really bad stuff
09:44<Daevien>hawk: lucky you, it had a bunch o fproblems and had terrible transfer speeds for one which made everything feel like you were runnign in slow motion
09:45<mrevd>daevien: i've only been able to find general guidelines for permissions… i'm looking for best practices for a web server
09:48<Daevien>well, basically only give what permissions you have to i guess? heh. less access given = more security a sa start
09:49<mrevd>i have the most common hex values, but i think im off on the ownership
09:50<Daevien>thats the basic section on security... ther eis also
09:50<mrevd>yeah im really talking about file and directory permissions… got all the security basics covered
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09:53<mrevd>thanks for those, have read them. but im looking to find out what ownership i should use. like www-data:www, or me:www-data or what have you
09:54<Daevien>that depends on how you have your server set up, pretty hard to answer it because either option could be the correct option or somethign different, all depends on your config choices
09:55<Daevien>in general with apache, it will be www-data:www-data i think on most distros. but again, different distros of linux can set it differently as well, check through yoru apache config and there shoudl be some stuff there telling you how it's set
09:55<mrevd>ok, so for example: with www-data:www-data a regular user typically can't create a folder in public_html
09:56<mrevd>even as a member of the group, www-data
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09:57<Daevien>depends on the permissions of the folder as well
09:57<mrevd>right, and those security guidelines dictate 755, so only owner has write
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10:04<Parallax>Do I need more than 1 nginx worker and 1 php5-fpm worker for my dinky wordpress blog?
10:05<AviMarcus>usually you create 1 per core, so 4 and 4
10:05<Parallax>ah, that makes sense
10:05<Parallax>Thanks AviMarcus
10:05<hawk>It may feel more dinky with just one worker, though
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10:20<tjfontaine>hawk: leave my dink out of this
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10:42<bonjurkes>hey, i was using nginx + php5 fpm, but gave up about nginx. So can someone tell how can i tell apache to use php5 fpm ?
10:44<AviMarcus>bonjurkes, gave up with nginx?
10:44<AviMarcus>did yu need .htaccess?
10:45<bonjurkes>AvilMarcus, somehow Nginx, offers poor performance on my server, my wordpress site was way faster on Apache
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10:46<JshWright>bonjurkes: are you sure it was nginx that was slowing things down?
10:46<JshWright>is that the only thing that changed?
10:47<bob2>if you have no clue, use apache with mod_php
10:47<bob2>unless you're pretending to run a php web hosting company
10:47<bob2>then you have to learn about mpm-itk at the very very very very very least
10:49<bonjurkes>JshWright : At least for wordpress sites, nginx doesnt look like best option, wp-admin takes at least a minute to load, even with supercache, and it started to throw a lot of connection reset by peer errors, and other performance issues
10:50<JshWright>bonjurkes: so, the only thing you changed was swapping out Apache for Nginx, and the performance issues started?
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10:52<bonjurkes>JshWright : Yeah but i used php5-fpm with nginx, plus used some conf for wp rewrite
10:53<bob2>nginx is a great option for wp
10:53<bob2>you've just misconfigured it
10:53<bonjurkes>bob2 that's may be correct but googleing didnt really helped for a good nginx conf i can share my conf files if you want
10:54<bob2>your hubris is impressive, though
10:54<bob2>bonjurkes: as above
10:54<bonjurkes>bob2 hubris about what ?
10:54<bob2>00:49:30 < bonjurkes> JshWright : At least for wordpress sites, nginx doesnt look like best option, wp-admin takes at least a minute to load,
10:54<bob2>^ user error
10:54<bob2>00:47:01 < bob2> if you have no clue, use apache with mod_php
10:55<bob2>00:47:11 < bob2> unless you're pretending to run a php web hosting company
10:55<JshWright>bonjurkes: so, you're saying you swapped out the entire stack, but you assume nginx is the problem?
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10:56<bonjurkes>JshWright : lets make it clear, on my server nginx doesnt run that great at least for my wp site, used nginx + php5 fpm+ apc + wp super cache, its good for frontend, but admin section sucks
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10:56<bonjurkes>plus, logging into my wp-admin cause server to get load around 3
10:57<bob2>== user error
10:57<bob2>as above
10:57<bonjurkes>bob2 will you just shut up if you are not going to help or provide something useful?
10:57<bob2>I'm helping
10:57<bob2>stop complaining about nginx
10:57<bob2>if you have no idea, use apache with mod_php
10:58<bonjurkes>bob2 i am not complaining about nginx, and your help doesnt work apparently, i am just saying i cant get the performance i want on my server and said its probably some conf issue
10:59<JshWright>bonjurkes: are you sure the issue is with nginx, and not php-fpm?
10:59<bonjurkes>JshWright : good point, never thought like that
10:59<JshWright>that's my point... you swapped multiple pieces at the same time, so I'm asking how you're sure which one is causing the issue
11:00<JshWright>if the issue is with your php-fpm config, then swapping out nginx/php-fpm for apache/php-fpm won't get you anywhere
11:00<bonjurkes>so my 2 config is like : nginx + php fpm / apache + mod php, so i should sort out how can i use nginx with php5
11:01<JshWright>I use nginx/php-fpm quite happliy with wordpress, fwiw
11:02<bonjurkes>JshWright, it may be about conf or hardware, i am on 512 mb linode
11:03<JshWright>so am I
11:03<hawk>bonjurkes: Show the configuration and maybe someone familiar with that type of setup can have a look
11:03<Daevien>bonjurkes: wp & nginx work just fine on a 512mb linode, thats what bob2 is tryign to tell you & jsh is telling you in a more polite way. there's something off with yoru config, it's not nginx fault
11:04<bonjurkes>Daevien : I never blamed nginx, so far i read pretty great things about it, and as you may guess i already told like 2 times it's prolly conf issue
11:04<Daevien>bonjurkes: so you need to sort out which way you really want to go, it more sounds like you just don't like nginx maybe, which is fine i suppose. figure out which method you really want to use and peopel will try to help you
11:05<bonjurkes>Daevien : I think nginx + php fpm offers better performance then apache + mod_ php. JshWright may i pm you ?
11:07<JshWright>no need, I'm happy to answer questions here
11:07<AviMarcus>heh JshWright I haven't heard it that way.
11:07<JshWright>I'm also a little busy at the moment, so I'll be in and out, others might be able to contribute as well
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11:07<bonjurkes>JshWright, i was going to ask for your conf files for wp on nginx, thats why i asked for pm
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11:08<JshWright>my server {} block:
11:09<Daevien>nginx wiki has info as well
11:09<bob2>Daevien: is that the non-retarded config?
11:10<JshWright>I think the only non-default setting in my php-fpm config is: pm.max_children = 3
11:10<JshWright>and even that might be the default, I don't remember...
11:12<bonjurkes>my php5 fpm main.conf - . I only added few lines on bottom for slow log queries
11:13<JshWright>your start_servers value seems pretty high
11:13<bonjurkes>my nginx.conf -
11:14<bonjurkes>JshWright : FPM was giving error about it : so i pasted it there as it's default setting, so what is the optimal value for that ?
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11:15<JshWright>on a 512, I'd start with 5 or so and tweak fro mthere
11:15<bonjurkes>JshWright, thanks about it
11:17<bonjurkes>and this is my wp conf with super cache - - just modified it from the tuts i found didnt trried the wik settings yet
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11:19<Daevien>bob2: i'm not sure what is the retarded config so i dunno? i just glanced at it quickly, didn't try it. i don't use wordpress these days
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13:00<john>hello, i was wondering how do i add a user admin for a domain in my vps?
13:00<john>and has control of all files and directories within that domain directory?
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13:20<Josh>Hello with the pudding.
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13:46<Daevien>The three golden rules to ensure computer security are: do not own a computer; do not power it on; and do not use it.
13:46<Daevien>--Robert Morris
13:47<joates>[D7] only wasted the past 5 hours of my life on this one!! --> (the setting needed to be nested inside an array :/)
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13:49<nohh>rip robert morris
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13:50<gansbrest_> hi, is it possible to add additional .htaccess file (through vhost directory include) in addition to the folder .htaccess file
13:50*joates really wishes i could have written more code today :((
13:51<gansbrest_>Most of my website have .htaccess in their webroot, but I would like to add additional rules for some of them through vhost config
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13:58<Daevien>nohh: yeah sucks. at first i thought it was his son, the one that wrote the worm. but still a big loss to crypto & unix world
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14:16<HoopyCat>gansbrest_: pretty much anything you can put in .htaccess can also go into the <VirtualHost> container; .htaccess is just an apache-specific hack to allow certain configuration commands to be applied to a directory without editing the config file
14:18<Deezire>Also a great way to increase disk-hits!
14:19<gansbrest_>What if I have .htaccess in the dir and in VirtualHost? Will both of them be used or just one?
14:19<hawk>I don't know if I'd call it a hack per se, it's just a way to let "the user" (rather than the server admin) override some configuration
14:19<gansbrest_>Let say if I want specific rewrite rule be applied after directory .htaccess rules. Is it possible?
14:20<gansbrest_>I guess I should just try it :)
14:20<Deezire>gansbrest_: the last one loaded (i'd guess .htaccess) will be the one applied
14:20<Deezire>Apache is very top-to-bottom on that part
14:21<gansbrest_>so there is no way to create the chain of rules
14:21<gansbrest_>just use on or another one
14:21<Deezire>Why do you want to mix?
14:22<hawk>gansbrest_: I think maybe you should take a step back and describe your goal (without getting into the vhost/htaccess particulars)
14:22<gansbrest_>Here is my specific example:
14:22<Deezire>The logic is pretty simple, IF there is a htaccess that will superseed whatever is in virtualhost
14:23<gansbrest_>We got multiple websites and prod, stage and dev servers. Images gets uploaded on prod and that images folder is pretty huge, we don't want to copy that when we take dumps to refresh our stage / dev boxes.
14:23<gansbrest_>That's why we decided to create that simple .htaccess rule which would take images from prod if they not exist locally.
14:24<gansbrest_>but that rule should not go to production, it should only be stored on stage and dev boxes
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14:25<gansbrest_>So I was thinking that it would be nice to add that addition rule to Apache config on Stage / Dev servers and by doing so we could avoid main .htaccess modifications
14:28<gansbrest_>Hm, I just tried mixing them and it looks like it's working!
14:29<gansbrest_>I just added that RewriteRule to VirtualHost section and it's executed after main .htaccess file
14:29<gansbrest_>The only remaining piece is to separate it into it's own include file, so I could add it to multiple Vhosts
14:30<hawk>gansbrest_: Are you sure it's not executed before?
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14:30<gansbrest_>Maybe before, it's hard to say, but they don't conflict with each other
14:31<HoopyCat>it might be possible to change the filename it is looking for (e.g. it could look for .htaccess.staging instead of .htaccess), but if you can edit the server config files, avoiding .htaccess is preferred for performance/compatability reasons
14:31<HoopyCat>(in practice, it doesn't make a huge difference either way, tho)
14:32<gansbrest_>Yes, but that .htaccess sort of comes with CMS and depends on it. Theoretically we could move it int sever config, but it would just add complexity I think.
14:33<gansbrest_>And yes, looks like my VirtualHost directive is loaded before .htaccess
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14:33<HoopyCat>dagnabbit, this product may contain chemicals known to the state of california to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproducive harm
14:34<hawk>HoopyCat: On what?
14:37<HoopyCat>hawk: a cheap-ass cigarette lighter socket splitter thing
14:37<+linbot>New news from forums: IPv6 Range in Linux Networking <>
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14:42<hawk>HoopyCat: Nice. Apparently they found some really cheap material to make it out of, just has this tiny little downside that it fscking kills you
14:43<HoopyCat>hawk: lead
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14:46<john>hello all
14:47<john>i am currently have an issue with the wordpress ftp connection information pop up on my vps running just centOS
14:47<john>it works fine when i change the chown of the directory to apache.apache
14:48<john>however, i want it to work with the user and group that i've already assign it to, how can i get that to work?
14:48<john>can anyone help me on this matter?
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14:50<pharaun>do you really need to use ftp ?
14:50<+linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
14:50<HoopyCat>john: i'm not personally familiar with wordpress or ftp, but someone else here might be
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14:51<john>oh ok, thanks. umm well i guess my next questions is, how do you create a user admin for a particular domain?
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15:02<pharaun>same here, not familiar with ftp/wordpress but eh
15:02<pharaun>john: can you please.... explain what you mean by "user admin for a particular domain"
15:03<pharaun>you using a control panel or just regular ssh in and config things on the command line?
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15:03<john>just regular cmd line
15:04<john>through terminal
15:05<pharaun>well you could kinda of fudge it with some sudo permissions and..... an regular user account but eh
15:05<pharaun>if he really want to and have access to sudo he would break out of it easy anyway
15:05<mdcollins>Probably safer with a control panel..
15:06<john>i have no control panel
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15:06<pharaun>is this guy someone you know and trust?
15:06<pharaun>then... i would dis-recommend that
15:06<john>i'm just hosting stuff for him
15:06<pharaun>well what kind of access do he need>?
15:07<john>just to his directory
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15:07<john>so i create a direct in srv/ww/username
15:07<pharaun>cos there are some stuff like user shell account + like ~/http crap so they can drop files in there
15:07<pharaun>and that might be ok
15:07<john>and in the user anme there it hosts his domains
15:07<john>that he owns
15:07<pharaun>don't need to config his domain, server, etc?
15:07<pharaun>just need file access only?
15:08<john>and i configured the vhost.conf so that i
15:08<john>it points to those files
15:08<pharaun>so he basically just need a way to access the file and that's it?
15:08<john>and owns it
15:08<john>i have made a user and group
15:08<john>and those files in the /srv/www/username
15:08<john>he owns it all
15:08<john>he's able to loginto the sftp
15:08<john>and ssh
15:08<pharaun>could do some sort of chroot sftp or something perhaps
15:09<pharaun>to upload/download files and that should do ?
15:09<john>yeah, but when installing wordpress
15:09<john>in the plugins he wanted to ad some plugins
15:09<john>then brought him the screen ftp connection information
15:10<john>i was reading up on this and it said thaat i need to chown the entire directory to apache.apache
15:10<john>for it to woirk
15:10<john>then change it back after the plugins in stalled
15:10<pharaun>oh yey wordpress :\
15:10<mdcollins>That's because the webserver needs access to the files to be able to add/change files
15:10<john>so how can i accomplish this?
15:11<pharaun>what about like hisuser.apache ?
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15:11<john>haven't tried that yet
15:11<mdcollins>if apache is running as user and group apache, then that should be fine if the group has full access.
15:11<john>butr him being in the apache group cause scurity problems or not?
15:12<john>oh okay
15:12<john>how do you give group full access or limit its access?
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15:12<mdcollins>you shouldnt need to add him to the apache group though
15:13<john>oh just change teh directory group to apache?
15:13<pharaun>since he has user access
15:13<pharaun>he can still access the file but since its also in apache group, apache can access it,
15:13<mdcollins>yeah directory group as apache, owner is his login
15:13<pharaun>remember unix has 3 "permission" group in the traditional posix format, of owner, group, everyoneelse
15:13<john>ohhh however i don't need to assign the user to the apache group
15:13<pharaun>if he is in the apache group
15:14<pharaun>then he can access apache resources
15:14<mdcollins>no, doing that would give him access to everything owned by the apache group[
15:14<john>he's not
15:14<john>he has his own group i created
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15:14<pharaun>that's fine, but the point is his file needs to be
15:14<pharaun>him . apache
15:14<john>oh okay
15:15<john>let me try that and see what happens
15:15<john>hey pharaun and mdcollins
15:15<john>you guys are great
15:15<mdcollins>You are welcome, Hope that fixes the issue
15:16<john>i hope so too
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15:26<mdcollins>heh, hard dish installs manual
15:26<hawk>SpaceHobo: epic
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15:27<hawk>SpaceHobo: "take left and slippery a module..."
15:27<hawk>...the slippery is on carrying to take the "L" word sign...
15:27<pharaun>Of voice, then mean the hard dish the already complete fixing.
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15:30<pharaun>good ol' ibm eh?
15:31<Parallax>I want a Google Plus account :(
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15:31<Daevien>SpaceHobo: jed wrote that, didn't he? :p
15:31<hawk>Parallax: You can't have it
15:31<pharaun>I've had to do the installing of the installation manager to install another product via the installation manager :>
15:31<bonjurkes>Parallax you can have it :)
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15:35<hawk>pharaun: At least you don't need the installation manager to install the installation manager, that's always something
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15:36<pharaun>hawk: that's true, however i did have to deal with a product that would nag me to update it, and when i tell it to update, it would then tell me to close the product so it can update, however closing the product also closes the update dialog too so it cannot even update :) lovely eh?
15:36<hawk>pharaun: It stopped the nagging, anyway, I suppose :P
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15:38<pharaun>oh no it did not :p cos next time i opened up the product to use it, the nagging came back :o
15:38<hawk>Well, there's your mistake, you started it again
15:38<pharaun>:D that's true :)
15:42<Daevien>pharaun: somewhere i have a error warning from a microsoft product, i think it was .net maybe? it says to continue to install .net, you must close the following programs: .net installer
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16:10<hawk>Heh, not quite what Linus had in mind I guess, but still
16:11<priyesh>can i ask a grub related question? I get 'error: hd0,msdos1 out of disk' Entering rescue mode... grub rescue> when booting
16:12<hawk>Is this a Linode pv-grub scenario that we're talking about?
16:12<priyesh>hawk: no.. it's a debian machine at home
16:12<priyesh>not linode related :(
16:12<hawk>Ok, just wanted to make sure
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16:19<priyesh>any ideas ? :/
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16:21<@irgeek>priyesh: No idea, but a quick Google search yielded this:
16:22<priyesh>irgeek: thanks. will read through that now
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16:32<Daevien>o/ irgeek
16:33*irgeek hides
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16:33<Daevien>lol was just waving, hadn't seen you around when i was for a bit that i remember
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16:40<dingleberry>anyone know the shortcut for mailx on ubuntu to send the mail? i keep getting stuck in the subect line
16:41<@irgeek>Doesn't mailx send after EOF?
16:42<@irgeek>Unless your terminal software is monkeying with things, that's ctrl-d
16:42<Daevien>i think irgeek is right, needs EOF
16:42<dingleberry>i tried control d and its not working, anyone know what EOF means?
16:42<@irgeek>End of file.
16:43<@irgeek>What's the command line you're using?
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16:43<@irgeek>You typed something to start mailx. What was it?
16:44<dingleberry>then put in subject but i cant get out of subbject
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16:44<dingleberry>when i press ctrl d does nothin
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16:45<dingleberry>weird it just working, thanx dudes :)
16:45<Daevien>hit enter after yoru subject line then you are typign the message, hit control d to do EOF & send
16:45<@irgeek>After you type the subject, you hit enter. That puts you on the next line.
16:46<@irgeek>Then you type the message and end with ctrl-d (or a single '.') on a line by itself.
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16:46<dingleberry>irgeek thats cool to know thx
16:47<@irgeek>Then it prompts for CC: addresses. Just hit enter if you don't want any.
16:48<Daevien>on 10.04lts it prompts for cc before subject though fyi
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16:55<ttech_>How does one get an addition ipv6 address?
16:55<ttech_>Never mind
16:55<pronto>ttech_: you gotta disco dance
16:56<ttech_>Yeah I finally read that bit.
16:56<pronto>so are you disco dancing?
16:56<ttech_>yes. :)
16:56<pronto>prove it
16:56<ttech_>I'm disco dancing like 70's depended on it
16:56<ttech_>What is the limit though on additional ipv6 addresses?
16:57<pronto>i need more then that
16:57<ttech_>Yeah that was in the thing too.
16:57<ttech_>>.> Apparently I have a reading disability today.
16:57<ttech_> Thanks for answering nonetheless tjfontaine
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16:58<thelongmile>ola, anyone got a moment for some php issues?
16:58<thelongmile>should be fairly quick
16:58<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
16:59<thelongmile>I know I know....
17:00<thelongmile>Right, PHP 5.3, set the timezone in date.timezone however it seems to refuse to recognise it, generated a which comes up with various errors, yet shows I've picked the right time zone, it's almost like the php.ini is ignoring the fact I set the timezone
17:00<ttech_>Did you update the right php.ini?
17:00<thelongmile>only one php.ini on the system
17:01<ttech_>Ok. :)
17:01<thelongmile>my first thought actually
17:01<thelongmile>link to my phpinfo
17:01<thelongmile>Search for Time, see an error message, then see a timezone set....
17:01<thelongmile>and yup, I uncommented it
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17:03<thelongmile> - That's the timezone thats set in php.ini, I've also tried with it in quotations
17:05<thelongmile>Odd, also got a syntax error on php -v possibly related?
17:06<thelongmile>now.. that's odd that's the error on 66
17:06<thelongmile>86* - Any ideas are appriciated
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17:30<Mu574n9>dig points to but not vice versa.
17:31<Mu574n9>I had set the reverse dns to point to
17:31<Mu574n9>This has been done close to 24 hours ago.
17:32<@caker>depends on the TTL of the zone and when your local resolvers cached it
17:33<Mu574n9>Yes, I can see it replicated when I do forward and reverse look ups from my linode.
17:34<Mu574n9>It has not yet replicated to my ISP's DNS.
17:34<Mu574n9>I guess it will happen in a few hours so np.
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17:37<hawk>The TTL is 24h and as I've understood it, the reverse zones are generated hourly, so it shouldn't take more than 25h, I guess.
17:38<Daevien>hawk: 4 times an hour actually
17:38<@caker>not for rdns zones
17:38<Daevien>oh, my mistake then. though tit was the same for both
17:39<JshWright>heh... tit
17:39<@caker>zone rebuild time != zone TTL
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17:39<Cypher100>What's the best way to setup ftp? I'm using the TF2 replay system on my server and it will need a ftp server
17:39<@caker>nm. I thinkoed your typo
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17:40<Daevien>Cypher100: can you use ssh instead? much better option...
17:40<+linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
17:40<hawk>caker: My typo?
17:40<@caker>no Daevien's's's's's
17:40<Daevien>hawk: most likely mine. i seem to be the typoking
17:40<Cypher100>TF2 Replay only works with FTP :(
17:40<DrJ>setup (noun/verb): 1. (noun) The way in which something, esp. an organization or equipment, is organized, planned, or arranged. - 2. (verb) The act of organizing, planning, or arranging something. - Example: Today caker setup a new Linode plan for users to choose from. - Please see:
17:40<+linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
17:40-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*asdf@*] by caker
17:41<Daevien>Cypher100: will have guides on ftp
17:41<Cypher100>There is no ftp guides on there
17:42<hawk>Cypher100: I would suggest vsftpd, if you really need to use ftp
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17:44<priyesh>when i boot i get : error: hd0,msdos out of disk
17:44<priyesh>and fstab shows no disk
17:44<priyesh>what are the chances the disk is dead
17:44<priyesh>(not a linode)
17:45<hawk>priyesh: It did read grub from the disk, didn't it? Or is grub on a different disk?
17:45<priyesh>only 1 disk/partition
17:45<priyesh>when I boot, it shows GRUB
17:45<priyesh>then the error
17:45<hawk>priyesh: Ok, so then the disk can't be _dead_
17:45<priyesh>okay. well 'failing'?
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17:46<priyesh>hawk: here's some more info:
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17:48<hawk>priyesh: I would suggest doing essentially what the answer there says, that way you'll get to see if the filesystem mounts, etc too
17:48<priyesh>hawk: i'm doing that now. when i go in /dev, my disk isn't there
17:50<hawk>jed: How's that working out for you?
17:50<hawk>priyesh: Ok, odd :-/
17:50<Knorrie>say hi to jeds cat
17:50<@jed>oops, sorry -- kid found the lappy
17:51<Daevien>jed: he's after your job already
17:51<dominikh>next up on We lost some nodes, thanks to jed's kid
17:51<akerl>Of course it's the kid. Who would trust jed with a cat?
17:51<auraka>Daevien: appears they have the same coding skills as well
17:51<Daevien>haha. dominikh i think those would be auraka's nodes :p
17:52<priyesh>hawk: when i do $df -h, i get no disks above @250mb
17:52<ajmitch>jed: so were you logged in as root somewhere?
17:52<auraka>no....mine just get renamed mysteriously to fuIhopeyoudie
17:52<Daevien>ajmitch: would YOU give jed root?
17:52<hawk>jed: Your kid's partiality to the brackets, semicolons, etc seems promising
17:53<Daevien>we need to teach him how to type rm -rf /
17:53<ajmitch>Daevien: how can I give him what he already has?
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17:53<tjfontaine>jed: echo "idle 300 lockscreen" > ~/.screenrc
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17:54<hawk>Daevien: Or maybe /kickban ... or something
17:54<swaj>I'm debating IIS 7.5 FTPS setup vs. FileZilla Server... anyone ever used the FileZilla server?
17:55<swaj>FTPS vs SFTP essentially.
17:55<hawk>tjfontaine: Maybe >>?
17:55<bob2>swaj: is giving up an option
17:55<Daevien>bob2: with iis? always
17:56<swaj>there's absolutely nothing wrong with IIS
17:56<swaj> kthx :P
17:56<bob2>it has a team of admins
17:56<tjfontaine>hawk: hmm?
17:56<bob2>and whatshisface is a windows person
17:56<akerl>swaj: Why would you use filezilla for sftp?
17:57<hawk>tjfontaine: Well, I guess jed's existing settings can't be that important
17:57<swaj>because IIS doesn't support SFTP (server)
17:57<akerl>I mean why use filezilla for sftp. As opposed to the sftp that's built into ssh
17:57<bob2>akerl: windows
17:57<priyesh>is it worrying that when i do `sudo /sbin/fdisk -l`, i get nothing returned, just a new prompt
17:57<bob2>cygwin hardly counts
17:57<swaj>this is for a windows server
17:58<akerl>Step 1) Switch to a linux server.
17:58<Daevien>swaj: windows makes server now?!
17:58*Daevien grins
17:58<swaj>I have a Linux server.
17:58<swaj>and a windows one
17:58<bob2>my cat's breath smells like cat food
17:58<hawk>bob2: Is that surprising?
17:59<akerl>swaj: My point is that if you're looking at installing something just to handle sftp, maybe a linux server is the better choice for that system.
17:59<swaj>akerl: my point is that I need a windows server for hosting .NET stuff, and the OS is not an option to change, so I'm looking for a good SFTP server option for the OS I want to use.
17:59<tjfontaine>hawk: oh, I'm presuming there are no existing settings
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18:01<@heckman>swaj: Why not use Cygwin and install OpenSSH?
18:01<swaj>becayse Cygwin = blegh
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18:01<@heckman>Well, I believe that's your own option with SFTP.
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18:02<swaj>FileZilla has an SFTP server. I just didn't know how good it was.
18:02<@heckman>swaj: I could be wrong. Some of these don't specify Cygwin:
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18:08<hawk>It's not the only option anyway, I know that there are som commercial software for instance.
18:09<swaj>yeah I think I'm gonna try it. IIS is great for a webserver, but it's FTP server features leave a lot to be desired.
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18:34<session_errors>I'm having issues
18:34<session_errors>All of my graphs show "Session Error" in them
18:34<session_errors>and I cannot use the Lish ajax console
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18:34<session_errors>It says "Bad or expired console session"
18:35<hawk>Well, the lish ajax console isn't exactly stellar even with a properly working session, ssh is much preferred for lish access
18:35<session_errors>hat doesn't work either.
18:36<hawk>What happens?
18:36<hawk>As for the web stuff, you haven't messed with your cookies or anything like that? Does logging off and back on change anything?
18:37<@heckman>session_errors: Are you browsing via IPv6?
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18:38<pharaun>:v hello there error report as username :)
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18:38<pharaun>session_errors: can you get to your normal linode ssh fine?
18:38<DrJ>maybe his server is not running
18:38<pharaun>that's what i wanted to rule out
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18:41<ccarpenterg>my linode account is going to be billed tomorrow and my Credit Card is closed
18:41*Nivex goes to test LISH from a v6 only client
18:42<ccarpenterg>how many days do I have to remove all my code?
18:45<DrJ>ccarpenterg I think it is 10 days
18:45<DrJ>I think they suspend at 10, delete at 20
18:45<DrJ>but don't take my word for it
18:45<ccarpenterg>DrJ: ok, thanks
18:46<Nivex>ccarpenterg: you mean back up your code? they'll gladly remove it all for you :)
18:46<DrJ>do you want to cancel or just don't have the money *yet*?
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18:46<DrJ>cause if you don't have the money right now they will probably work with you
18:46<ccarpenterg>DrJ: I have some demos running but I dont have and won't have a credit card in the near future
18:47<DrJ>if you have paypal you can pay using their virtual credit/debit card
18:47<DrJ>or go to walmart and get a prepaid card
18:47<ccarpenterg>DrJ: I'm outside U.S.
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18:48<DrJ>well, even if you have no walmart, I'm sure someplace sells pre-paid debit cards
18:48<Nivex>local bank can probably hook you up
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18:48<ccarpenterg>DrJ: pre-paid debit cards? like from Visa/MC?
18:48<DrJ>yea, you just go to the store and put however much you want on it
18:49<sirpengi>actually, those debit/check cards will work, so long as they have the visa/mc logo on them
18:49<DrJ>might be a couple dollar charge, but still
18:49<ccarpenterg>DrJ, Nivex: I will call the banks
18:49<pharaun>yeah debit card will work
18:49<DrJ>I would just go to any local store ccarpenterg
18:50<pharaun>just need visa/mc logo and you're good to go
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18:52<DrJ>ccarpenterg, if you need time to get one of those cards then submit a support ticket asking for a few extra days to pay
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18:52<DrJ>that will ensure you wont get your server turned off
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18:55<ccarpenterg>DrJ: I just want to be sure that my code will not be accessible if I can't remove it before Linode blocks my account
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19:00<DrJ>ccarpenterg: rsync --exclude="/sys/*" --exclude="/proc/*" -aHSKDvz -e ssh / root@
19:01<DrJ>run that on your linode if you have a home linux server
19:01<bob2>and /dev
19:01<DrJ>or a linux server/machine anywhere
19:01<DrJ>yea, probably don't need dev
19:01<bob2>probably don't need /usr either
19:01<navi>ANd if you have a /run dir, that's most likely not needed
19:01<bob2>aside from /usr/local
19:01<user0905>hello world. ; )
19:01<priyesh>i found this in the syslog,, any ideas?
19:01*navi has a run dir
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19:02<bob2>priyesh: on a /linode/?
19:02<priyesh>bob2: no
19:02<priyesh>bob2: my linode is running fine :)
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19:02<ccarpenterg>DrJ: oh thanks for that tip
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19:03<cyberdyn>new) linode and mac os x
19:03<cyberdyn>{ be back.. switching to java interface ) : )
19:04<ccarpenterg>DrJ: I'm using git on a local machine, so I just push the new version to Linode, but I think it's not the best strategy
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19:04<cyberdyn9>hello again. : )
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19:05<ccarpenterg>IRC Survival Guide:
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19:06<cyberdyn9>i'm having trouble getting SFTP working between my mac (10.6.7) and my linode (ubuntu 10.04 LTS)
19:06<Mu574n9>Is it possible to point the PTR record of a linode to a non existing domain ?
19:07<cyberdyn9>i've added SSH keys between my machine and linode so I can ssh and not have to type a password...
19:08<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: What trouble are you facing ?
19:08<navi>Mu574n9: I assume the SFTP client doesn't like keys
19:09<cyberdyn9>well, i've downloaded cyberduck and i can connect to the server ... and navigate the file structure
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19:09<cyberdyn9>and... when i try to upload a file, i get the following error... (let me go fetch the message) :)
19:09<cyberdyn9>(that's not the message) : )
19:09<navi>^ Is that the message?
19:09<navi>^ Is that the message?
19:10<navi>Client Error: 107 - Hehe.
19:10<Mu574n9>navi: Did you tell me something ?
19:10<navi>Mu574n9: Pardon?
19:10<Mu574n9>04:38 < navi> Mu574n9: I assume the SFTP client doesn't like keys
19:11<navi>Mu574n9: That was in response to the question about what trouble may be being faced
19:11<Mu574n9>navi: ok.
19:11<cyberdyn9>"SSH Error: Upload failed : Permission denied (SSH_FX_PERMISSION_DENIED: The user does not have sufficient permissions to perform the operation.)."
19:12<navi>cyberdyn9: What user are you logged in as compared to what directory you're trying to upload to?
19:13<cyberdyn9>well, the server is locked down pretty tight. so... if I ssh in and try to create a folder, etc. I have to SUDO to do any action... unless I've SUDO'd a couple times recently.
19:13<cyberdyn9>so, I think it has something to do with that? but I'm not sure :(
19:15<cyberdyn9>can i check any error log associated with this connection (SFTP?)... and see what the server is complaining about? : )
19:15<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: Yes
19:16<cyberdyn9>Mu5: {fingers on keyboard, ready to type}
19:17<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: Check /var/log
19:18<dr_jkl>heckman: you here sweetie?
19:19<@heckman>dr_jkl: Somewhat, yes.
19:19<Mu574n9>heckman: Hi
19:19<cyberdyn9>Mu5 : which log within that should I look at?
19:19<@heckman>Mu574n9: hello.
19:19<Mu574n9>Is it possible to set a PTR record via the linode admin interface to a non existing domain ?
19:20<Mu574n9>heckman: Like @you.can'
19:20<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: What distro are you using ?
19:20<@heckman>Mu574n9: No. A matching forward DNS records *must* exist.
19:21<cyberdyn9>Mu5: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Profile (Latest 2.6 Paravirt (
19:23<cyberdyn9>Mu5: thx
19:23<navi>cyberdyn9: Are you sure you're using that kernel?
19:23<Mu574n9>yw, a simple google and you could have found it out.
19:24<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: I didn't know it, I found it.
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19:24<cyberdyn9>i understand about sftp logging but i've been trying to figure out about the keys
19:24<cyberdyn9>Mu5: i do know how to use google. :P
19:25<cyberdyn9>navi: what makes you ask that??
19:25<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: I think there are many helpful people here in the channel cyberdyn9. Let's ask here.
19:25<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: As I said, I am learning myself as I help you.
19:25<navi>cyberdyn9: If you pasted that out of linode manager, like it seems to me, that's not necessarily the kernel you're using.
19:25<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: Trying to figure sftp from my RHCE days :)
19:26<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: uname -a
19:27<cyberdyn9>Linux version ( (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5)
19:27<navi>cyberdyn9: Okay, in your instance, that is what you're running
19:29<cyberdyn9>navi: do you not like that version?? :) ... why is it a surprise? (curious)
19:29<navi>cyberdyn9: The linode manager kernel version listed does not necessarily always correspond to what you're using.
19:29<navi>cyberdyn9: It represents what you would get on a reboot.
19:30<cyberdyn9>ah. ok
19:30<cyberdyn9>i forgot about uname :)
19:30<cyberdyn9>i was lazy... sorry ;)
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19:30<navi>cyberdyn9: So if a new kernel were released, my linode manager would show it (as the latest paravirt), but my linode would still be running the old one
19:30<cyberdyn9>navi. ok. cool. good to know.
19:33<cyberdyn9>is the linode # something that should be kept private?
19:34<retro|blah>What linode #
19:35<bob2>it's not really exposed very much anymore
19:35<cyberdyn9>retro: in the linode dashboard, in the configuration profile... at the end of the version info
19:36<cyberdyn9>oh ok.. so it's just a generic #... not my specific linode #. sorry... i'm fairly brand new to linode and... lacking sleep lately. :)
19:36<HoopyCat>Linux framboise 2.6.39-linode33 #4 SMP Fri May 27 19:54:44 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux
19:36<HoopyCat>like the -linode33 there? nope, that's common
19:36<HoopyCat>your linode's "number" is the default name it had when it was created, and it's usually much larger than 33
19:36<HoopyCat>unless you're irgeek
19:37<bob2>there's a linode number that used to be on invoices at aleast
19:37<bob2>and in the dashboard urls maybe?
19:37<HoopyCat>that's the one. not too much can be done with that number, either
19:38<cyberdyn9>re: linode# ... cool. thanks for the info... just like to make sure that i'm not giving away my machine SSN :)
19:38<cyberdyn9>although granted, 33 is a low # ;)
19:38<navi>cyberdyn9: We're all one person. Linode is a really tiny company.
19:39<cyberdyn9>navi: you're kidding me? :)
19:39<retro|blah>Or bank account numbers. "Hey we'd like to take out a loan." "OK, what's your bank account number?" "Uh... 3." ?????? "Er, 4."
19:39<HoopyCat>without a username and password (or an API key), there's nothing that can be done with a linode's ID
19:39<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9: Has a doubt if the hostname preceding the should be kept secret ?
19:39<Mu574n9>cyberdyn9 has a doubt if the hostname preceding the should be kept secret ?
19:39<HoopyCat>with a username and a password (or an API key), not having the linode's ID doesn't inhibit you in the least
19:40<Mu574n9>I am not sure that answer to give him.
19:40<Mu574n9>Kindly help...
19:40<HoopyCat>Mu574n9: that maps to an IP address.
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19:40<Mu574n9>HoopyCat: ok.
19:40<HoopyCat>under many situations, you'll need to make the IP address public information, e.g. if you're hosting a web server or something.
19:41<cyberdyn9>all: thanks for the info. sorry i gotta run right now ...
19:41<Mu574n9>Anyway to mask it from potential crackers.
19:41<cyberdyn9>i'll dig more into the sftp issue later.
19:41<cyberdyn9>hence the lack of sleep :)
19:41<navi>Mu574n9: How would you "crack" an IP?
19:42<HoopyCat>Mu574n9: well, there's only a few billion possible IPv4 addresses...
19:42<Mu574n9>navi: Port probing....
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19:42<Mu574n9>I understand.
19:42<navi>But somewhere that has your hostname will have your IP too?
19:43*navi fails to see the problem
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19:44<Mu574n9>navi: Say I need a mechanism that prevents people from looking up a reverse dns lookup to see my I.P Address.
19:44<Mu574n9>navi: Is it possible ?
19:45<HoopyCat>Mu574n9: if they're doing a reverse DNS lookup, they already have your IP address...
19:45<navi>Mu574n9: That's not a valid question...
19:46<Mu574n9>Mu574n9: Sorry a forward lookup.
19:46<Mu574n9>HoopyCat: No a forward lookup..
19:46<@heckman>Mu574n9: So basically, you want to use DNS but not have it work?
19:46<navi>Mu574n9: To stop someone doing a forward lookup, delete all the DNS records?
19:46<Mu574n9>heckman: lol no.
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19:46<HoopyCat>Mu574n9: you can remove the record from the DNS, but then it won't work
19:47<navi>Mu574n9: Can you describe, in detail, the situation you are trying to overcome?
19:47<navi>vf guvf gebyy?
19:47<Mu574n9>Crackers using a bot net to attack.
19:47<navi>Cracking _WHAT_?
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19:48<Mu574n9>Thousands of requests to your server. I have configured I.P tables to drop them...
19:48<bob2>welcome to the internet
19:48<@heckman>Mu574n9: You do realize *most* SSH brute force attacks are done against blocks of IP addresses and are not related to DNS, right?
19:49<Mu574n9>heckman: ok.
19:49<Mu574n9>heckman: My passwords are decent enough 25 character long and cryptic.
19:49<navi>So this is some hypothetical where the botnet makes up domain names, resolves them, then DDoSes the resultant IP?
19:49<HoopyCat>Mu574n9: you mean a denial of service attack? generally speaking, the best defense is to not incite attacks. if you have a very high-profile service and can't avoid that, you'll need to pay for someone to dissipate attack traffic for you.
19:49<@heckman>Mu574n9: Your best option is to use ssh pubkeys or strong passwords. Or install something like fail2ban.
19:49<Mu574n9>heckman: At least 25 characters.
19:50<navi>I still _dont_ see the issue
19:50<Mu574n9>heckman: ok.
19:50<navi>Mu574n9: Keys are better than even a 25 character password when used right
19:50<Mu574n9>heckman: ssh keys are a good option.
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19:52<Mu574n9>Very honestly, my shell(non linode one) was cracked recently and I am trying to ensure that it does repeat to my linode.
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19:52<@heckman>Mu574n9: SSH pubkeys/strong passwords, fail2ban, using a non-standard SSH port.
19:54<Mu574n9>Of course I did to have su privileges on that shell....
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19:55<Mu574n9>heckman: I have a custom firewall running from /etc/init.d which is edit manually these days.
19:56<@heckman>What does the firewall block?
19:56<@heckman>Or filter, rather.
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19:57<Mu574n9>My default drops everything and permits the services I want to run.
19:57<Mu574n9>I am not going to disclose the services run in the channel anywhich ways :)
19:58*heckman shrugs
19:58<Mu574n9>Moving ssh to non standard port is something I should do.
19:58<@heckman>I don't really care what services you run. But my rule of thumb is that firewalls are great under certain situations. But if there's nothing listening on a certain port, then there's nothing to filter.
19:58<navi>frphevgl guebhtu bofphevgl vf fghcvq
19:59<navi>^ note the irony
19:59<@heckman>irony noted.
19:59<navi>I didn't see you write it down.
19:59<@heckman>I didn't need to.
19:59<navi>Note it on a notepad
19:59<@heckman>But it it's a good way to compliment real security.
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19:59*navi can't decide if compliment or complement should be used
20:00<bob2>slightly useful if you've tightened everything to the point where you'd like to worry about obscure things like "if I get 0dayed, I don't want it to join an irc network"
20:00<CyL>Hi, I'm following Linode's guide on how to deploy a LAMP server, and on the MySQL installation step, at some point I'm told to run "mysql_secure_installation"; after issuing a command on the console, I get the error message "ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)" from the script. I already reinstalled MySQL from scratch with no success. Running Debian 6.
20:00<bob2>CyL: url
20:00<CyL>Any Advice please?
20:01<navi>Man, my server's clock is WAY out. It's off by 428µs.
20:01<@heckman>I assume you set a root password for MySQL?
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20:01<CyL>heckman: Already tried both approaches... but the script is meant to set one
20:01<@heckman>CyL: when you installed MySQL did you specify a root password?
20:01<Nivex>offset -9.689 µs
20:02<CyL>heckman: not this time
20:02<CyL>heckman: but also tried with a password set
20:02<navi>CyL: Did you purge between installs?
20:02<CyL>navi: yes
20:03<Mu574n9>heckman: Thanks for you feedbacks.
20:03<Mu574n9>navi: You too.
20:03<Mu574n9>You too HoopyCat
20:05<CyL>Any further advice guys?
20:05<@heckman>Can you connect to mysql as root?
20:06<@heckman>mysql -u root -p
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20:11<CyL>heckman: Nope, I can't
20:12<@heckman>Sounds like the root password is wrong. So you'll need to reset it.
20:12<@heckman>I don't remember if dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server does that. If not, you can view this site:
20:12<CyL>heckman: well, there shouldn't be any password at all..
20:13<@heckman>What happens if you press enter at the password prompt? (effectively leaving the password blank)?
20:14<CyL>heckman: the error I reported was obtained using that procedure
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20:14<@heckman>Using no password at the password prompt? Well, it sounds like a root password was set. You'll just need to change it.
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21:27<twg>i need help creating a disk image then transfering ot over to another server via SSH
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21:36<@Perihelion>Attention Linodians: <3. That is all.
21:36<A-KO>sup Perihelion
21:36<Nivex>Perihelion: who are you and what did you do with the rager that normally occupies this tty?
21:36*Perihelion slaps Nivex around a bit with a large cactus
21:37<@jed>I killed her and -x'd her screen
21:37<@Perihelion>As if
21:37<@Perihelion>You're not nice
21:37<@jed>that's meaner than what I said :<
21:37<Nivex>Perihelion: *hug*
21:37<anticide>Can somebody help me out here? I'm playing around with writing web applications on my linode right now I have to run them all on different ports. I'd prefer to acces them all on :80 on different subdomains.
21:38<anticide>I suppose I should read up on sockets or reverse proxies, but I need a wee bit of guidance.
21:39<anticide>Apologies for atricious spelling.
21:39<@jed>precisely what you need in fact, is a Web server as a reverse proxy
21:39<@caker>one process (apache or whatever webserver) listening on port 80, and then it doing VirtualHost Host: header stuff proxying to backend 'applications' running on their own internal ports <-- what you mean?
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21:40<anticide>So, ProxyPass line in httpd2.conf VirtualHost block?
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21:40<@jed>I'd read this before throwing it in:
21:41<@jed>but yes, the idea is that each <VirtualHost> would have its own ProxyPass
21:41<anticide>Is there a way to (semi-) automatically map high ports (that each app binds) to subdomains?
21:41<anticide>What key phrases should I google for?
21:41<bob2>you could script it
21:41<@jed>in this case, 'automatically' would be a script you write that reconfigures apache
21:41<bob2>but it sounds like a lot of work
21:42<HoopyCat>i just do it as part of my deployment scripts
21:42<anticide>I will, but this seems like a common problem, so there's probably a couple of agreed-upon solutions.
21:42<bob2>the agreed-upon solution is 'automated deployment tools'
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21:42<anticide>Suggestions for a world-facing web server? Is apache alright or should I mess with nginx or lighttpd or something else?
21:42<bob2>pupet generates a nginx config file for me based on a backendapp instantiation
21:43<bob2>nginx is approx as easy to do this with as apache
21:43<anticide>Oh, I'm beginning to see the light. Thank you!
21:43<HoopyCat>nginx is a damn fine proxy, under many circumstances
21:43<@caker>I enjoy nginx.
21:43<anticide>One thing that confused me is that wikipedia page on reverse proxies has a long list of uses, but not this particular one.
21:44<@Perihelion>I run apache and nginx on my servers
21:44<+linbot>THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
21:44<anticide>Naturally, I understood it so that there's an easier and more obvious way.
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21:44<anticide>Well, thanks for setting me straight.
21:44*SleePy uses Nginx as well under many configurations
21:44<pronto>Perihelion: is that your password/
21:44<@Perihelion>So I dropped my laptop...
21:45<bob2>that's her visa
21:45<bob2>try it on your test gateway
21:45<anticide>Checkdigit is wrong.
21:45<bob2>test cards don't pass luhn
21:46<HoopyCat>4111111111111111 should
21:46<@Perihelion>Anyway, brb sleep
21:47<Peng>"brb"? That's not much sleep.
21:49<navi>Peng: It's a powernap
21:49<navi>A tequila or jalapeño or whatever it is
21:50<navi>Uh... siesta
21:50<bob2>a+ for correct use of the squiggle
21:50<navi>I'm just going off for a jalapeño.
21:50<navi>Back soon!
21:50<navi>I like using accents
21:52<navi>Only if they belong there, of course
21:52<navi>I'm not going to start going
21:53<anticide>That one ȟēĭ
21:53<anticide>Nobody uses coördination & the like.
21:53<navi>I like the fact I can type greek from my keyboard
21:54<anticide>I can do {x |x ∉ S}
21:54<anticide>y ∈ W
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21:55<navi>Everybody should have a pædophile encyclopædia, actually
21:55<navi>Really useful
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21:55<bob2>dipthongs ftw
21:56<anticide>Can't find any deployment tools that fit the bill.
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21:59<anticide>Maybe I can't get the right keywords. "puppet proxypass"? "puppet port redirect?" reverse proxy? I'm sure I'm missing something here.
22:00<anticide>chef's fine too.
22:00<HoopyCat>puppet (or chef) doesn't know how to do it; you have to tell it what to do
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22:01<dominikh>yeah, that's not the kinda chef I want!
22:01<dominikh>havin to tell him how to cook stuff all the time
22:03<navi>He's not really a chef at that point
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22:04<anticide>So, to recap. I want to have two different processes on one machine accessible as app1.mylinode and app2.mylinode. Since they can't both use port 80, I have to set up a so-called reverse proxy, a patchboard that patches subdomains to mylinode:9001, mylinode:9999 etc.
22:05<anticide>Now, there's a way to automate rewriting configs for this reverse proxy.
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22:07<anticide>Instead of cd'ing to app1dir and running mongrel or 8.out or whatever I run ' app1' which runs the app on 9001 and refreshes reverse proxy config.
22:07<anticide>Sounds right?
22:10<+linbot>New news from forums: Anyone using Citadel in production in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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22:13<bob2>anticide: strongly suspect all this talking has taken longer than writing the config files by hand
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22:14<anticide>Are you insinuating that I haven't written a couple of drafts by now?
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22:20<@heckman>Ugh, Google is ugly now.
22:20<@heckman>I may need to start asking jeeves.
22:20<navi>heckman: Asking jeeves whether google is ugly?
22:20<+linbot>New news from forums: Hosted Desktops in General Discussion <>
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22:22<anticide>heckman, sheck out DuckDuckGo for an alternative search engine or surfraw for an alternative interface.
22:22<Peng>What I wanna know is why my Google theme changed slightly...
22:22<Peng>Specifically, part of it changed to the dark theme my dad uses. o_O
22:23<anticide>What you don't want to know is that it has been changing by barely-perceptible amounts many times a day for years now. Driving people into madness.
22:23<anticide>For truly, Google is a manifestation of one of the Elder Ones.
22:24<anticide>Or was it Glenda?
22:27<navi>Peng: It hasn't
22:27<navi>Peng: We all gte a black bar now
22:27<navi>Peng: It seems as though it's going to be the company branding across all their sites
22:28<navi>Peng: All google pages will have a black bar with links to other google based sites
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22:32<Peng>navi: Oh, okay.
22:32<navi>Whuch is odd since I thought the google brand was the colours
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22:50<A-KO>A working Remote Exploit which spawns a root shell remotely and
22:50<A-KO>previous to authentication was developed.
22:52<Kyhwana_>yes, that happens
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22:52<navi>A-KO: For what?
22:53<Gerry>Hi all, does anybody know about any issues in the Fremont datacenter about 8 or 9 hours ago? My server appeared to be contactable or experiencing very slow network access at that time.
22:55<navi>A-KO: 3.1...
22:55<Gerry>sorry *appeard NOT to be contactable
22:55<Kyhwana_>3.5p1 is old.
22:55<navi>"OpenSSH 3.5: October 14, 2002"
22:56<Kyhwana_>infact, more than 7 years old
22:56<Gerry>Just trying to exclude a Linode issue as the cause
22:56<navi>More than 8
22:56<Kyhwana_>If you're running an unpatched 7 year old sshd...
22:56<Kyhwana_>Gerry: fremont, nuff said.
22:56<A-KO>Kyhwana_: honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. I know a lot of people who just don't upgrade stuff in the *nix world :P
22:56<Kyhwana_>A-KO: like the people at sony, say
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22:57<jason5>Hey, can anyone help me with something?
22:57<navi>jason5: I don't know until you tell us what it is
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22:57<jason5>have you heard of domus mortem?
22:57<Gerry>Kyhwana: sorry I don't understand that comment. Can you elaborate?
22:58<jason5>it's a site (, and it's hosted at linode
22:58<navi>Gerry: He is implying Fremont has been the most unreliable of the Linode datacenters and as such, everything faulty is to be expected
22:58<navi>jason5: Yes, linode management know about it
22:58<jason5>have they released any information about it? I couldn't find anything on the forums, blog, etc.
22:58<navi>jason5: They have looked at it, agreed it is in bad taste, but will not remove it as it does not violate any laws and in order to be impartial, are leaving it up
22:59<jason5>even if they receive some bad PR from PETA?
22:59<Gerry>Thanks navi and Kyhwana, I wasn't aware of that.
23:00<jason5>I've seen that, but I can't speak Portuguese, and I'm not entirely sure what it's saying. I can't really find any decent information online in ENglish.
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23:01<@heckman>jason5: If you use Google Chrome it'll translate it for you.
23:01<navi>jason5: The very top of the page reads "Choose the language in the right column"
23:01<Kyhwana_>Gerry: the freemont DC has "issues" occasionally. I moved mine from fremont to dallas because of them
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23:01<Kyhwana_>jason5: lol PETA
23:02<SleePy>I think people are just crazy. Fremont works for me just fine :P
23:02<navi>heckman: s/fremont/$0.00-mont/
23:02<navi>Linode should have an offer on
23:02<navi>Buy One Get One Fremont
23:02<navi>Where for every node you get, you get a second in Fremont
23:02<Kyhwana_>jason5: why should linode take it down?
23:03<jason5>why should they take it down? because it depicts suffering in jest
23:04<jason5>support for it simply can't be justified.
23:04<navi>jason5: The internet is full of this stuff though
23:04<navi>jason5: Not liking something isn't sufficient to take it down
23:04<Kyhwana_>first of all you're assuming it's real (which it probably isn't). Even if it is real, what law is it violating?
23:04<jason5>so let's just give up, yeah? because it's futile? uh, no.
23:05<avenj>sick jokes still aren't illegal in many jurisdictions
23:05<navi>jason5: No, linode is impartial.
23:05<Daevien>avenj: yeah, or jed woudl be in trouble :p
23:05<navi>jason5: If it doesn't violate the law, it doesnt require a takedown
23:05<imMute>jason5: what navi is saying. Linode is simply a provider. Next you'll be wanting ISPs to block kiddie porn because the internet is used to distribute it.
23:06<navi>imMute: Some of them do
23:06<Kyhwana_>jason5: if you want it taken down, go find the guy that put it up and "take care of him".
23:06<jason5>it may not be violating any laws, but I would think linode would realize that they could get some pretty nasty PR from this ..
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23:06<Kyhwana_>linode can't decide what to allow people to do with servers unless it's specically violating laws.
23:06<dominikh>yeah, and taking down customer's websites without proper reason sure won't cause "nasty PR"
23:06<jason5>retribution, hey? No.
23:06<imMute>Kyhwana_: even if it could, why would it want to. that's alot of police work.
23:06<Kyhwana_>Next you'll have religious people saying you can't host sites that are blasphemous
23:07<navi>jason5: So if you set up a company where people were free to do whatever they wanted, would you also have a clause that you could check what they were doing, and if YOU didn't like it, it had to stop?
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23:07<jason5>I'm pretty sure that if something is distasteful and has the potential to ruin a company's PR, that company would attempt to solve the issue
23:08<navi>jason5: So linode is only permitted to host videos of unicorns and fairies?
23:08<jason5>slippery slope arguments don't work very well, btw
23:08<Daevien>seriously guys, he's either 1. a dork that won't learn anything from this conversation anyway 2. the one that runs teh site and trying to get more publicity 3. trollin gyou. in any case, not worth dragging this out :p
23:08<navi>jason5: Everything will be distasteful to one or another.
23:08<Kyhwana_>linode ARE free to say "we don't want your business", but then that means they're not impartial anymore and that i'd be taking my business somewhere else
23:08<navi>v jvyy fgbc nobhg abj v guvax
23:08<jason5>Alright. Well, I'm not going to argue or push my case, but thanks for the information.
23:09<Kyhwana_>So if you want to get it taken down, go somewhere else.
23:09<imMute>navi: tbbq vqrn
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23:13<Parallax>man, that poor cat has been in that cage for a month straight at least
23:13<Daevien>jed has been in his cage for longer
23:13<+linbot>Kyhwana_: Yo mommas so nasty she had sex with mikegrb and then kissed pparadis (826:29/12) [morum]
23:16<+linbot>navi: Yo mommas so charitable she donates her facial hair to charity! (831:8/1) [urmmo]
23:16<navi>Repetition of charit(y/able) makes it a fail
23:17<@heckman>Lbh hfr gbb zhpu EBG13, aniv
23:17<navi>Ab V qba'g
23:18<navi>V arire hfr EBG13. Rire.
23:20<navi>V qba'g rira xabj jung EBG13 vf. Jung vf vg?
23:21<navi>can you stack linbot commands?
23:21<tjfontaine>can you stack urmom?
23:22<navi>like... rot13ing a leeting of something
23:22<navi>tjfontaine: Yes, she comes in easy to stack modules
23:22<tjfontaine>urmom comes easy huh?
23:22<tjfontaine>where to start.
23:22<navi>tjfontaine: It's actually a product that I'm planning to market
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23:22<navi>tjfontaine: My Modular Mother
23:23<navi>Or MMM for short
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23:27<aot2002>Do I get a discount if I pay a year in advance?
23:27<oojacoboo>hey, if I am upgrading a node, is there an easy way to put in a stand-in node?
23:28<oojacoboo>I'm guessing the IPs don't move over too easily and the DNS doesn't refresh very quickly?
23:28<Daevien>aot2002: believe it's 10% discount, yeah
23:28<oojacoboo>without something fronting it like nginx I am kinda out of luck?
23:28<aot2002>Does it get bigger with 24 months prepay
23:28<Daevien>oojacoboo: you can switch ips but do need to reboot the nodes involved to do it
23:28<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: a "stand-in" node? "move over"?
23:28<Daevien>aot2002: think 15% with 2 years? shoudl be on the website somewhere or the wiki
23:29<Daevien>HoopyCat: i'm assuming he wants to upgrade a node w/o having downtime
23:29<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: if I don't want 15-35 min of downtime, is there any way of mitigating this?
23:29<oojacoboo>just a simple node with a we're updating, brb would suffice
23:29<oojacoboo>hell, even if linode did that as a favor, that'd be amazing
23:29<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: re-architect your system such that you don't have a single point of failure? :-) you could swap the IP to another temporary linode, then swap it back after the upgrade
23:29<Daevien>oojacoboo: not so much, you'll still get some downtime. clear out any junk files you can to reduce the filesystem size and therefore, the migration time is prob best bet
23:30<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: that's why I mentioned fronting it with nginx
23:30<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: bonus points for setting up IP failover ahead of time so that you can do the deed without the IP-swap reboots
23:31<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: how does the IP failover work with linode?
23:31<oojacoboo>are there any docs on that?
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23:34<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: in general, but and are the specific steps needed. after that, either linode will be able to bring up that IP address on the fly
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23:35<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: basically setting up a node to act as a HA router?
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23:38<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: yeah, but 1) without the automatic failover and 2) the second node just returns a 503 down-for-maintenance page
23:39<oojacoboo>so, why not just create a config profile for a server in maintenance, launch a new node and assign that profile, then do what you need on the primary node?
23:40<oojacoboo>or are IPs bound to the nodes themselves?
23:40<oojacoboo>do accounts not have access to IP addresses across all the nodes?
23:41<oojacoboo>I don't see much information on IP address assignment within the linode manager
23:41<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: by default, IPs are bound to the nodes themselves, unless IP failover is configured
23:41<oojacoboo>is "IP failover" a linode feature?
23:41<HoopyCat>(i should say "IPv4 addresses"; IPv6 addresses are handled differently)
23:42<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: yes. see the third link i pasted above ("Set Up IP Failover")
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23:43<HoopyCat>actually, i suspect one can set that up on the secondary node without having to reboot the primary node...
23:45<HoopyCat>(not going to test it, 'cuz it's nearly an hour past my bedtime)
23:45<oojacoboo>can you not just assign an IP Failover to another node, setup that machine to listen on that IP and setup the necessary apache configs, then let the linode routers handle the rest?
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23:45<oojacoboo>I just don't see an option from another note to specify the IP address to setup for IP failover
23:45<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: on the Remote Access tab for the other (secondary) node, click "IP Failover", then tick the box next to the IP you want to be able to steal
23:46<oojacoboo>oh crap, I see, I thought that was the one already associated
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23:46<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: then, after the next reboot of the secondary node, you should be able to drop the IP address on the primary node and then configure it up on the secondary node
23:46<oojacoboo>and how can I be certain that I am not mixing up primary and secondary?
23:47<HoopyCat>(having the same IP address active on two linodes at the same time results in undefined behavior)
23:47<oojacoboo>on which node?
23:48<oojacoboo>so it's not a true failover then?
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23:49<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: define "true"... it's as true as it is on a normal ethernet network
23:49<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: there is also, which is still in testing
23:49<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: I can't have two machine setup on for the same IP, one as primary and another as a failover
23:50<oojacoboo>take primary down and have secondary pick it up instantly?
23:50<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: see ... you can do that
23:51*navi is watching a Japanese song contest.
23:51<oojacoboo>HoopyCat: yea, but I just want to use our dev node to display, "we're down for maintenance"
23:51<oojacoboo>not really looking for full HA ATM
23:52<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: ( might also be closer to the goal)
23:53<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: you'd then have the secondary node configured to return a 503 maintenance page... there is absolutely nothing that says both servers have to have the same web server config :-)
23:53<oojacoboo>I just don't understand the point of these guides having ubuntu requirements and such
23:54<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: they're ubuntu-specific because i clicked on the ubuntu-specific guide. see also
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23:55<HoopyCat>and now, it is the time for the sleep
23:55<oojacoboo>ok, so I guess there isn't anyway to do this without installing things on the servers
23:55<oojacoboo>no way to just configure etc/hosts and network and apache configs
23:55<oojacoboo>link the failovers and call it a day
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23:56<+linbot>Daevien: Now 33% full (about 23 hours remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 23:10 UTC, last full yesterday at 22:00 UTC after running for 28.6 hours.
23:56<HoopyCat>oojacoboo: you can do the IP swap manually, but if you want it to happen automatically, you'll have to install something to do it automatically
23:57<Daevien>guess you can go to bed hoopy, you don't need to trek to the basement :p
23:57<oojacoboo>hearrbeat I assume, which basically dynamically takes over your hosts config?
23:58<oojacoboo>dynamically adjusting the secondary node to pick up on the IP when it can't ping the primary?
23:58*oojacoboo is guessing that's how it works
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23:59<navi>chanlog, it's not time yet!
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