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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-07-01

---Logopened Fri Jul 01 00:00:01 2011
---Daychanged Fri Jul 01 2011
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00:00*navi is about to get some money and wonders what computer he's going to buy
00:03<Kyhwana_>sandy bridge
00:04<navi>tjfontaine: I just realised the song I was listening to when you said "First!"
00:04<navi>Was called furasato
00:05<navi>It means hometown, but sounds a lot like "First"
00:05<navi>Kyhwana_: That's not really A computer, it's just a range
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00:07<marc>does a zone transfers (AXFR) delete the records from the remote DNS server?
00:07<marc>or does it just do a copy based on what it sees?
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00:08<@heckman>It copies the records.
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00:09<marc>… "An unknown error occured. Please open a ticket for further assistance"
00:09<marc>guess I won't be using AFXR
00:09<akerl>marc: Are you trying to copy to linode?
00:10<marc>from slicehost to linode yes akerl
00:10<akerl>marc: Did you enable AFXR at slicehost
00:10<oojacoboo>WTFF does this mean?? "Linode has an existing package that is overdue for an invoice. Try again later."
00:10<oojacoboo>my balance is ZERO
00:10<akerl>oojacoboo: Sounds like ticket time
00:10<marc>I don't think they have AFXR akerl
00:11<navi>oojacoboo: Probably something to do with them generating invoices because it's thr 1st/nearly the 1st?
00:11<oojacoboo>it's called shitty code
00:11<marc>AFXR at slicehost:
00:11<oojacoboo>that's what it's called
00:11<marc>so, Linode recommends 32 bit images over 64 because of the memory issue?
00:11<akerl>oojacoboo: Because whining is so productive
00:12<akerl>marc: Because for most use cases, 64 bit is wasteful.
00:13<@heckman>oojacoboo: Billing is running right now.
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00:14<oojacoboo>heckman: yea, I figured that out as I refreshed the billing again
00:14<oojacoboo>forced a payment
00:14<oojacoboo>then was able to proceed
00:14<oojacoboo>regardless, that shouldn't happen
00:14<oojacoboo>there should be a 24hr+ delay on that from preventing me from upgrading
00:14<oojacoboo>my account has been in good standing for over 3 years
00:15<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
00:15<akerl>oojacoboo: Or you could just wait the 5 seconds and it all works fine...
00:15<oojacoboo>IRC also supports people that type fast when they are pised linbot
00:15<praetorian>heckman: you better catch it
00:15<praetorian>linbot: IRC supports multiple users.. don't hide :P
00:16<akerl>:p nice.
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00:36<SleePy>linbot, That link is broken
00:39<tonyyarusso>No it's not...
00:39<Luizg>SleePy: wfm
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00:47*Obsidian|server slips behind heckman
00:47*Obsidian|server backstabs
00:47*Obsidian|server slinks away, cloaks, disguises
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01:10<Daevien>ah that joyous time of month when i get a linode bill :p
01:10<Daevien>caker's fav day of the month i'm sure
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01:16<Peng>For me it's the extra-joyous time of the *year* when I get my annual rebilling bill. :X
01:17<retro|blah>Pay up, y'all!
01:18<Daevien>if i can get a job where i can afford ot pay for a year upfront i will :p
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01:19<devilspgd>Anyone ever run Asterisk on Linode? Any reliability issues as far at the network goes?
01:19<devilspgd>I hear mixed reviews about Asterisk in VPS land
01:19<Peng>Network awesome.
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01:20<Peng>Yikes, I have a big scary red "Current Balance: $329.79 outstanding" message in the manager. Presumably it's generated the invoice but not quite gotten around to billing me yet. Or I screwed up when changing the CC details.
01:20<Daevien>guide's a bit dated now but still possible
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01:20<bob2>Peng: holycrapwhatareyouhostingatlinode
01:20<Daevien>Peng: it won't try to actually bill for a little bit yet, you can manually make it process though if you want
01:20<devilspgd>Daevien: Yeah, I was skimming the guide... Just curious if anyone has personal experience as to how well it works?
01:21<Peng>Kind of a scary message, though. :-\
01:21<Daevien>devilspgd: no one tha ti knwo is awake. HoopyCat did last i knew, think he still does. i'm sure there are a bunch of others that do
01:21<Peng>bob2: Annual billing.
01:21<bob2>Peng: ah
01:22<Daevien>bob2: there are people here that have more than that a month from what i know of their configs :p
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01:22<bob2>yeah, I just didn't believe Peng was amongst them
01:22<Peng>I am _so_ not among them.
01:22<@heckman>Peng: Billing is a two step process. 1) Invoice 2) Charge card.
01:22<@heckman>#2 can take a bit of time.
01:22<bob2>3) profit
01:23<Daevien>step 3 is heckman skimming a 2nd charge to see if Peng notices
01:23<Peng>heckman: I figured that, but this is the first time I happened to check the manager between the two steps. It's a pretty scary message...
01:24<Daevien>click it, manually process and you can make the scary message go away :p
01:24<smsfail>having some lack of knowledge problems. I am trying to connect one Linode to another using their private IPs. I added the private IPs in the linode manager, but eth1 isn't showing inside my ifconfig. . . ? [Fedora 15]
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01:24<Peng>Daevien: I'm in no hurry to be poor. :P
01:25<Peng>smsfail: There is no eth1. Private IPs are on eth0.
01:25<Peng>smsfail: Also, FYI you can use IPv6 for the same purpose.
01:25<@heckman>smsfail: Did you configure the static IP addresses and reboot your Linode?
01:25<+linbot>When an IP address is added to or removed from a Linode, the Linode must be rebooted in order for the changes to take effect in Linode's architecture. Additionally, DHCP will only provide one IP to that Linode; when using more than one IP address (including private), a static configuration must be used:
01:25<Daevien>smsfail: you missed the reboot most likely
01:26<bob2>heckman: do newly provisioned nodes use the new MAC address thing?
01:26<Peng>smsfail: And these nodes _are_ in the same data center, right?
01:26<smsfail>Peng: yes. I did reboot. I setup my fw like this . So I guess the references to eth1 are no longer needed. How should I protect access on the private subnet?
01:26<Daevien>bob2: doubt it, dont think new nodes get ipv6 auto yet
01:26<@heckman>bob2: good question
01:27<Daevien>i think i saw caker saying they would soon get the new mac stuff but didn't as of a day or so ago i think it was
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01:28<@heckman>smsfail: You could specify the destination address.
01:29<smsfail>heckman: my iptables-foo is weak
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01:29<@heckman>smsfail: Yeah, I know the feeling. :(
01:29<Daevien>anyone got google+ invite yet btw?
01:29<@heckman>smsfail: This may be of help:
01:30<bob2>I mean
01:30<bob2>invites themselves are disabled
01:30<bob2>but I can add people and I think they eventually get an invite
01:30<bob2>the ui is very confusing
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01:31<Daevien>yeah, there's a work around, if you add someone to your list then send an event or something it emails them and lets them sign up :p
01:31<praetorian>google+ is cool
01:32<smsfail>'/24' is the the whole range right?
01:32<Daevien>praetorian: i dont have an invite, so was wodnering if any regualrs here had it. seems liek a lto of hype on all the sites i've seen mention it, figured here might provide a more balanced thought
01:32<praetorian>i was being balanced
01:32*praetorian was standing on two feet
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01:36<Daevien>praetorian: so it lives up to the hype runnign rampant?
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01:41<smsfail>anyone have a minute to help out. I am stepping on my own feet here trying to get access to my private ips from box to box
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01:46<@heckman>smsfail: Does it work if you don't have iptables in the way?
01:48<Peng>smsfail: /24 is what range? The manager will tell you the range; I know Dallas is a /17.
01:48<Peng>smsfail: If you're referring to the private network, I mean.
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01:52*KyleXY still needs to reboot for ipv6
01:53<@heckman>You should fix that
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01:54<smsfail>Peng: this is what my ifconfig looks like
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01:55<ttech>Is there some way to reset the root password?
01:56<smsfail>ttech: linode manager -> rescue -> Reset Root Password
01:56<ttech>very good, must have skipped that 5 times.
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01:58<smsfail>Peng: is it just me. . . but i am not seeing my private ip.
01:58<smsfail>Peng: should it not be there?
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01:59<djg320>going to tackle openvpn
02:00<Peng>smsfail: That depends.
02:01<smsfail>on what?
02:01<Peng>smsfail: Well, for example, with the way I set networking up, ifconfig is too old and dumb to notice my private IP. 'ip addr' shows it just fine, of course.
02:01<Peng>smsfail: Have you pastebinned your networking configuration on both nodes? Have you rebooted both nodes since adding the private IPs?
02:02<smsfail>yes. just rebooted them yet again
02:02<Peng>You don't need to do that. Only the one time.
02:02<smsfail>Peng: i know. but was making sure
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02:03<djg320>Is openVPN the most ideal VPN solution in regards to Linode?
02:04<smsfail>this is frustrating. :/
02:04<smsfail>loving me som linode in every way except this.
02:05<Peng>smsfail: Alright, how about your networking configuration files?
02:06<smsfail>Peng: which ones would you like to see?
02:07<Peng>smsfail: The ones where the private network is configured. From both nodes.
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02:08<Internat2>i assume you have enabled private ips on your linode and all that fun stuff
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02:09<@heckman>smsfail: Did you configure static IPs on your Linode?
02:10<smsfail>each config file "ONBOOT=no"
02:10<smsfail>sorry everyone
02:10<Internat2>thaty sounds like a fail..
02:12<smsfail>and a half
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02:14<@heckman>Man, I would never run Fedora on a server. :x
02:14<Internat2>centos then?
02:14<Internat2>or no rhel derivities?
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02:15<@heckman>Well, I prefer no RHEL derived distros. But ~13 month support cycle is too short.
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02:15<Internat2>fair enough
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02:16<tonyyarusso>Fedora is only 13 months?
02:16<@heckman>If someone wanted me to administer a system that ran a RHEL-based distro I would do it. Would need to freshen up on some of the RHEL-isms as I've not used it since Psyche and Shrike.
02:17<tonyyarusso>Geez, even non-LTS Ubuntu is 18 months.
02:17<@heckman>tonyyarusso: It's about 13 months. They operate on a 6 month release cycle, and support ends for it on month after the second release.
02:17<@heckman>So one month after F+2 is released.
02:17<tonyyarusso>Ah, bummer.
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02:24<user4379>Hello i have a site whic is currently running, now i have got new hosting on linode
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02:25<@heckman>user4379: Go on.
02:25<Peng>Sounds good so far.
02:26<user4379>but my domain is not pointed yet
02:26<user4379>so we are testing it with IP address
02:26<user4379>my question is i want to configure SSL
02:27<user4379>so without domain pointing will it create problem?
02:27<user4379>to live site
02:27<user4379>and it will be configured correctly?
02:28<user4379>i dont know why any staff member no answering
02:28<AFellow>user4379: Heckman is a staff member.
02:28<tonyyarusso>Well, it "might" work, depending on how you define work and how you want to configure it.
02:30<Peng>user4379: Linode is an unmanaged service, so technically they don't have to answer at all.
02:31<bob2>user4379: hack /etc/hosts on your desktop
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02:34<navi>Oh man...
02:34*navi has just cried at a song
02:35<bob2>was it by paul kelly?
02:35<navi>How do you pretend you haven't cried? I have to leave the house in a moment
02:35<tonyyarusso>Just make it look like there's a different reason. Try getting disoriented and walking into the doorframe on the way out.
02:36<navi>tonyyarusso: Thanks for cheering me up XD
02:36<user4379>Hi Navi
02:36<navi>bob2: No, it wasn't.
02:36<navi>bob2: It wasn't even in english
02:36<tonyyarusso>"Dude, are you *crying*?" 'Yes, and I'm also *BLEEDING* - could I get some help here?!?'
02:37<navi>tonyyarusso: Maybe I should just stay in here until I cry with laughter from your comments
02:37<navi>tonyyarusso: Then say they're "laugh-y tears" when I leave
02:37<tonyyarusso>So....I now live in a state with no government. Funfun.
02:37<tonyyarusso>Stupid legislature.
02:37<navi>Not cry-y... Uh, cry-y-y? Uh... Cry-ey?
02:37<user4379>navi:are you available?
02:38<navi>tonyyarusso: What legislation?
02:38<tonyyarusso>The stubborn legislators failed to pass a budget before the end of the fiscal year, so all non-essential operations shut down at midnight.
02:38<navi>tonyyarusso: No gubmint? RIOOOOOOOOOOT
02:39<navi>user4379: As stated above, I have to leave the house in a moment. I'm not really available, no.
02:39<tonyyarusso>No state parks, no rest stops, no road construction, no hunting licenses, no daycare, no employment offices, no drivers licenses, etc.
02:39<navi>I just thought someone would get a kick out of my emotional state.
02:39<user4379>navi : ok
02:39<navi>No drivers licenses?
02:40<navi>So... anyone can drive legally?
02:40<rnowak>... :p
02:40<tonyyarusso>Nope - police is an essential service. So, you can't get a license, but you'll still be arrested if you don't have one.
02:41<Peng>As long as you get pulled over by a not-asshole, I imagine they'd let you get away with a recently-expired license.
02:41<tonyyarusso>Or rather state police is an essential service. Local police departments will still have to figure out what to do, since some of them normally get partial funding from the state.
02:41<navi>Peng: The not-assholes are non-essential operations
02:42<navi>Peng: The assholes are the essential bit, so they stay
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02:42<tonyyarusso>The sad thing is that the powers that be think it would be better if there was no government ever, so they're perfectly happy to shut it down and screw everyone over.
02:42<navi>tonyyarusso: So what happens from here?
02:43<tonyyarusso>navi: We wait. The shutdown will continue until a budget is passed.
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02:44<navi>I spy a mythbusters in my "Things to watch" todo list
02:44<tonyyarusso>The session started in January and finished at the end of May, and they ignored the existence of a budget until the last week, and then acted all surprised when the governor vetoed their proposal, and have spent the last month griping about it, so I expect we'll see more of the same for a while.
02:44<rnowak>tonyyarusso: you sound almost like greece... kind of, ish.
02:45<navi>The UK's not exactly that great right now either
02:45<navi>I should be off to University in the autumn. If I am, my next step in education will leave me with a student loan of £24,000
02:45<tonyyarusso>Well, Greece ran out of money. We have the money, it's just that the legislators refuse to use it. The usual "taxes are eeeebil" argument.
02:46<navi>If I end up having to wait until next year to get in, the same course in the same university will leave me with a loan of £48,000
02:46<navi>Actually, more like $52,000
02:46<tonyyarusso>My university has enough cash reserves to keep operating until September or October. Some of the food pantries estimate they can make it two weeks.
02:47<navi>Yes, I don't have to pay it all back for a while, and spread out over time, and I might not have to pay back the whole thing if I can show I can't afford it, but that's still $84,000 equivalent
02:47<navi>I'd rather buy a brand new car. Or a small house.
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03:12<encodium>Hey, I'm thinking about resizing my 2048 to 4096 right now
03:13<marius>Good one
03:13<encodium>anything I need to keep in mind? I assume IP addresses and everything will stay the same?
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03:13<marius>Only that yo umay have to expect some downtime as upgrading plans moves you to a new host
03:14<marius>The IP will remain the same though
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03:14<encodium>ok, cool .. downtime is OK .. it says about 60 minutes
03:14<encodium>Should I try to minimize database writes or anything else during this time?
03:15<@heckman>Your Linode will be powered down for the process.
03:15<encodium>Alright .. thanks guys .. here I go :)
03:15<marius>Have fun
03:15<@heckman>encodium: Also, remember to resize your disk image afterwards to obtain the additional storage space.
03:15<marius>People use storage space on linodes? :o
03:16<encodium>hehe .. logs more than anything else ;)
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03:26<encodium>Doh .. seems more like 2 hours .. can't believe the estimate of 60 minutes wasn't right :P
03:29*dcraig migrates encodium
03:30<@heckman>Anyone care for a Google+ invite? Shoot me a PM with your e-mail address.
03:30<dcraig>no, shoot ME a PM!
03:31*dcraig debates adding heckman to his Acquaintances circle
03:31<@heckman>I don't think you can afford me. :p
03:31<encodium>tnx dcraig .. work harder, please
03:31<marius>What if I already ahve one ? :P
03:31<encodium>Slate had a good article about Google+ ... "nobody wants to do this after they do the seating chart for their wedding"
03:32<marius>sort of true tbh
03:32<dcraig>I've attempted to add you to my circle
03:32<dcraig>you're the first person I've put in a circle (I just got this thing today!)
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03:34<dcraig>I haven't done any work on my profile
03:35<dcraig>looks like crap !
03:35<marius>This thing knew my work email and my middle name
03:35<dcraig>google knows all
03:35<marius>nobody even knows I HAVE a middle name...
03:35<Peng>They do now!
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03:35<dcraig>my middle name is the name I go by
03:35<dcraig>it's obnoxious
03:36<Peng>I never remember how to spell my middle name.
03:36<Peng>It's either Philip or Phillip. I knew it in kindergarten, but since then I never use it, you know?
03:36<@heckman>That's terrible.
03:37<@heckman>Are you on Google+?
03:37*heckman wants friends
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03:37<dcraig>google+ would probably know the correct spelling
03:37<dcraig>if you could get on there
03:37<Peng>Ah, it's Philip.
03:37<Peng>One L.
03:37<dcraig>what a relief
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03:39<dcraig>I see why they had to put that silly gray bar at the top of all their sites now
03:39<Peng>You do?
03:39<dcraig>so they could integrate google+ into everything
03:39<dcraig>that gray bar is now my "google+ bar"
03:39<dcraig>following me around wherever I go
03:39<nohh>well, it could've been white and still had the Google+ stuff
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03:39<dcraig>you can make it white in gmail with certain themes
03:40<nohh>if you log into your gmail account, go to settings > themes you can switch to the upcoming Google+ styled gmail theme
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03:40<nohh>sadly is not there for Google Apps users (jerks)
03:41<dcraig>which one is the google+ theme?
03:41<nohh>towards the end, preview i think it's called
03:41<nohh>and preview compact
03:41<dcraig>the dense/compact one isn't very compact
03:41<nohh>yeah i know
03:42<dcraig>it's so gray
03:42<dcraig>and the non-dense one is HUGE
03:42<nohh>well you dont have to use it obviously
03:43<dcraig>until they force it on us !
03:43<nohh>imagine if you were still using 800x600 resolution
03:44<dcraig>I had been using the "night shade" theme
03:44<dcraig>I like it, "dusk" and "sunset"
03:44<dcraig>so this gray/white stuff is very bland in comparison
03:44<dcraig>but I'll try it for a couple days
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03:45<nohh>i use.. high score
03:47<nohh>no no wait.. terminal >.>
03:47<dcraig>you're insane
03:47<dcraig>either of those would be fun for a day
03:48<nohh>marker actually looks pretty cool
03:48<dcraig>you switch to terminal, say "lol everything's green and black", and then you switch to something reasonable
03:48<dcraig>you don't stick with it
03:48<nohh>need to swap the font to Comic Sans
03:48<dcraig>well now I know you're just screwing with us
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03:52<navi>Goomic Sans
03:52<navi>Or Comic Soogle
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03:54<nohh>google's web font library has gotten quite huge
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03:55<nohh>not enough people use non-standard fonts i think
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03:57<encode>i use plenty of non standard fonts
03:57<encode>except as transparent png image
03:57<@heckman>Droid Sans Mono<3
03:58<nohh>why go to the trouble of making transparent pngs of text when you can just use web fonts
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03:58<nohh>that work in every browser you likely care about
04:00<nohh>unless it's some corporate branding font that you can't embed due to licensing
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04:03<Peng>No no, use Flash!
04:03<Peng>Or, uh, SVG!
04:04<nohh>sIFR was nice for a while
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04:24<djg320>slay is a fun app
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06:33<JediMaster>any admins able to confirm that the backup service doesn't backup raw disks?
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06:34<Simon>Anyone help me with spam and mail problem?
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06:34<Guest554>ubuntise server
06:35<@heckman>JediMaster: confirmed
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07:04<Anomareh>does Linode not automatically bill?
07:05<JediMaster>they do, it should come through today
07:05<JediMaster>heckman: thanks, I presume there's no reason why I can't rsync the file drbd/gfs2 file system across to an ext3 fs on a different linode through the internal ip and that'll get backed up then?
07:05<Anomareh>aye, I got the invoice, but it shows my balance as outstanding with a click to charge link
07:05<@heckman>JediMaster: That should work.
07:05<Anomareh>is that just because it hasn't gone through yet?
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07:06<@heckman>Anomareh: The invoice / charging your card is two steps.
07:06<@heckman>It can take up to 12 hours for the charging step to happen.
07:06<io_>hi I've got a domain registered with nominet and dns/hosting by linode. my website was online yesterday evening but appears down at the moment. what should I check first?
07:06<@heckman>If the box at the top bothers you submitting the payment manually works as well.
07:06<JediMaster>io_: can you ping it?
07:06<JediMaster>io_: check the dns, then the name servers
07:07<Anomareh>heckman: ah ok, thanks, it just through me off
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07:07<JediMaster>io_: see if you can ssh into your server
07:07<Peng>io_: "appears down" is pretty unspecific. Do connections time out? Instant "connection refused"? Web server error?
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07:08<JediMaster>io_: if pings are timing out, is the IP the same as that of your linode? (check the linode admin)
07:08<JediMaster>if they're timing out and it's right, do a tracert/traceroute
07:09<io_>it was online yesterday evening and nothing has been changed since. ping to the server IP and domain name works perfectly but when visiting the website it just times out and my browser sends me to Google
07:09<io_>like I said though, nothing has been changed
07:09<Peng>Then apparently something has changed itself.
07:10<Peng>io_: What's the site?
07:13<JediMaster>io_: give us an address =)
07:13<JediMaster>io_: running apache or nginx?
07:13<JediMaster>or other
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07:32<marius>So I'm on G+, and I wanted ot add a spark for Linode
07:32<marius>so I typed Linode, they don't have a group, but no worries, google then gives me a feed of anything linode related to watch
07:32<JediMaster>heh, talking of backups have to do a restore now lol
07:33<JediMaster>6 min to restore 6GB of data isn't too bad
07:34<JediMaster>and rather neatly the restored partition fits inside the extra 25% space we've not used yet =)
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07:56<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:56<HoopyCat>it's a piece of cake to bake a pretty cake
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07:59<@mikegrb>mmm cake
07:59<amitz>prettifying a baked cake is more difficult though.
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09:00<user4379>is there any one who knows about PHP/MYSQL and GD library
09:00<user4379>I am facing very strange issue
09:00<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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09:02<user4379>i am php developer and hosted my application on linode hosting
09:02<user4379>i have developed a code to resize images
09:02<user4379>i am using imagecreatefromjpeg()
09:03<user4379>here imagecreatefromjpeg()
09:03<user4379>does not work
09:03<hawk>But the other ones do?
09:03<user4379>i checked my log file
09:03<user4379>[notice] child pid 18209 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)
09:03<user4379>it gives this
09:03<user4379>hawk:yes other wroks
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09:04<hawk>Segfault, nice.. And this happens with all jpeg files?
09:04<user4379>but if i use imagejpeg()
09:04<user4379>then it works fine
09:05<DrJ>user4379, might be more of a question to ask in a PHP channel
09:05<user4379>DrJ: where is php channel?
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09:05<DrJ>there's a popular one on freenode ... ##php ... I think you have to have a registered nick to access it though
09:06<hawk>user4379: It clearly shouldn't segfault... I wonder if your installation may be iconsistentsomehow
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09:07<user4379>hawk:but everything works fine except this function
09:07<hawk>user4379: Well, that function does not work, and it doesn't work in a very unhandled way
09:08<user4379>hawk:no body here who can help me to resolve this?
09:09<hawk>user4379: What are you running? (Distro, any additional stuff?)
09:11<user4379>hawk:i did not get you
09:11<user4379>i have php mysql application
09:12<hawk>Yes, but what is installed on your Linode... What distro? Any additional stuff that didn't come with the distro?
09:13<hawk>Linux distribution
09:14<user4379>its ubuntu
09:14<hawk>If you're saying it segfaults, it doesn't sound like your php code is the problem, rather a problem with the php gd extension, the gd library or the jpeg library... or possibly an incompatible combination of these
09:15<user4379>so what steps i need to do?
09:15<hawk>Which Ubuntu version? And did you install any non-ubuntu packages?
09:16<user4379>i have installed ghostscript and imagemagick
09:16<user4379>ImageMagick 6.6.9-10
09:17<hawk>4.9? I don't think there is such a version, and if there is, it would be very very old
09:18<hawk>Can you run lsb_release -a
09:18<user4379>Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
09:19<hawk>and your /etc/apt/sources.list does not contain anything non-ubuntu?
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09:20<user4379>what is this file?
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09:21<hawk>the list of repositories it will install packages from
09:22<user4379>what should i check in this file?
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09:22<hawk>If you have added any extra stuff
09:22<user4379>there is no non ubuntu items
09:22<hawk>Like some weird repo (some PPA or whatnot)
09:23<user4379>no we have not touched this file
09:23<ruku>So I'm finally fed up with GMail, and I'm considering picking up a VPS and moving all my stuff there -- primarily email
09:23<ruku>Does anyone else use a VPS for email?
09:23<Deezire>Good luck!
09:23<hawk>user4379: Ok, so only ubuntu packages are installed, then that's not it
09:24<hawk>user4379: You may want to talk to some #ubuntu folks about your problem, possibly file a bug if it's reproducible
09:24<ruku>My only concerns about moving email to a VPS is now I have to worry about uptime and security... both of which I'm not the most experienced at.
09:24<Deezire>And backups!
09:24<hawk>ruku: You absolutely can, but if anything the typical thing you hear is the reverse
09:25<ruku>Not as much worried about backups... and what do you mean hawk?
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09:25<ruku>Deezire, I usually delete email after reading it
09:25<hawk>ruku: People who are running their own who want to move to a hosted service
09:26<ruku>hawk, I figured as much... the only reason I want to move is I just want to have control who reads my email
09:26<ruku>I mean, technically its still going through linode's routers and they can look at it
09:26<Deezire>And you have a feeling someone at googleplex is reading your?
09:26<hawk>ruku: (Not so from running the mail server stuff in itself, that's not too bad, but from managing the spam and abuse)
09:26*ruku *dons his tin foil hat*
09:27<Deezire>I'd be more worried about my neighbour sniffing my wifi than anyone reading my mail at google.
09:27<ruku>That is one thing I'd really miss.
09:27<ruku>Yeah I know... I'm just fed up with Google at the moment.
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09:28<Deezire>Also, with GMail you get secure protocols with no hassle
09:28<ruku>Hey everyone, congrats! You're signed into Google Buzz.
09:28<Deezire>But, there are other chices
09:28<ruku>Wait, no I mean Google Plus!
09:28<Deezire>i hear fastmail is pretty decent
09:28<ruku>Did you know eight people are following you? (Even though I "disabled" my account?)
09:28<Deezire>hm, google plus is something you have to opt IN for
09:28<ruku>My friend tried it out, and when he sent an email to his "circles", I got an email as well.
09:28<ruku>Wasn't too pleased with that.
09:29<Deezire>This seems to more to me like you have misunderstood how google plus works. Your friends can share TO you without you having to BE ON google plus
09:29<ruku>So its not that I have a gmail, its that I'm in their contacts?
09:29<Deezire>That way, you are completly free, you get the images your friend wanted to share with you anyway
09:29<ruku>$@(# x__x
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09:30<Deezire>But in order to comment you need to register a google plus account
09:30<ruku>I see where they're going, they're trying to be cool about it
09:30<Deezire>But i'd stich with another hosted solution if i was to switch mail
09:30<ruku>But I really want to move off the google...
09:30<ruku>Yeah, I hear what you're saying... and you're probably right.
09:30<Deezire>From my point of view, google plus was spot on what everyone wants that facebook can't deliver. But that just my 0.000001 BTC.
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09:30<ruku>There's just a ton to worry about that I won't have time / the ability to worry about.
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09:31<ruku>Spam / abuse / security / uptime etc.
09:31<Deezire>I've heard good things about them
09:31<ruku>I've heard good things too...
09:31<Deezire>And with Opera in the seat, you cannot go wrong
09:31<ruku>The best thing I've heard is if you're getting something for free, you are the product.
09:32<Deezire>they also offer two-factor solutions, for the real tinfoiliness
09:32<ruku>That explains my sentiment and want to move to something I've got a little more control over.
09:32<Deezire>yeah, i totally get that part
09:32<Deezire>And i feel about the same, but i'm just too hooked up with my google account
09:32<ruku>I know.
09:33<Deezire>it makes me sad how much cluster fuck i'd need to clean up if someone got ahold of my account
09:33<ruku>Like I'm being all steamy riot in the streets idealist... But I have the feeling I'm going to come crawling back in a few months...
09:33<ruku>That and when you say your email ends in people are like...
09:33<hawk>Deezire: Just have a good password and use the 2-factor stuff, should make you a difficult target
09:34<ruku>(and people are like. wtf seriously?
09:34<Deezire>hawk: i sure am
09:34<JediMaster>google apps ftw
09:34<Deezire>And applications spesific passwords on everything
09:34<ruku>So Deezire, do you do email on your vps? You seem to have done it before -- or at least have good intuition.
09:35<Deezire>I just miss being able to restrict what parts of my google account an applications spesific password could access
09:35<Deezire>ruku: I've done email, but move over to Google Apps, much less hassle.
09:35<ruku>Google Apps a little less connected to Buzz / Plus?
09:35<JediMaster>me too
09:35<JediMaster>haven't hosted email for years
09:35<JediMaster>google apps takes all the hassle out of spam downtime etc.
09:35<Deezire>You can disable whatever you like on google apps
09:36<ruku>I figure that if they're selling it to businesses, they might be a little leary of the "Social 2.0"
09:36<nDuff>ruku, well -- older accounts haven't all been migrated to their new authentication platform, and some of them _can't_ use newer services...
09:36<Deezire>There will be a day when google plus is atleast a product avaliable in apps, that's for sure
09:36<Deezire>but then you just don't need to enable it...
09:36<ruku>Ye gods I hate the word "app".
09:36<nDuff>ruku, ...but new AFYD accounts are capable of many of those services, though there are domain-level toggles.
09:36<Deezire>you have much more control over stuff like that on google apps
09:37<ruku>I might end up doing that...
09:37<Deezire>$25 per year and you're a paying customer
09:37<Deezire>No ads, no worries.
09:37<Deezire>You also get 10 accounts for free, but then again, like you said, you're the product.
09:37*nDuff is a non-paying customer, with his account grandfathered in to have 50 or so users before he needs to spend money.
09:37<ruku>Really? I--ahh yeah.
09:37<ruku>Where'd the $25 a year come in?
09:38<hawk>ruku: My point is basically that if you decide to run it yourself, which you definitely can, you will need to spend some time with maintaining it or it'll be a real mess
09:38<JediMaster>yup, I've got 20 or so google apps domains for free with 50 accounts =)
09:38<ruku>I thought it was $25 / user / month?
09:38<JediMaster>for the paid version
09:38<JediMaster>you can get a certain amount for free
09:38<Deezire>ruku: hm, might be, been a while since i've looked at it
09:38<JediMaster>5 or 10
09:38<JediMaster>can't remember which
09:38<hawk> free
09:38<hawk> paid
09:38<Deezire>you have flexi plans and yearly plans
09:38<JediMaster>it's $50/user
09:38<JediMaster>per user
09:39<Deezire>5$ per month or $50 per month
09:39<JediMaster>or $5/month per user
09:39<nDuff>$5/user/month or $50/user/year
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09:40<Deezire>It's really cheap, considering how much a small business pay for a server, colocation, microsoft licences and all the fucking downtime.
09:40<JediMaster>and if you only have a few users, just use the free one
09:40<hawk>If you're going with the paid thing you might as well look into your alternatives, though
09:40<Deezire>At my old work place, we counted downtime on mail in days, not hours. Was horrible.
09:40<ruku>Do you get docs with that too?
09:40<JediMaster>and calender
09:40<Deezire>All Google services, more or less
09:41<JediMaster>and most of the services
09:41<ruku>But its less "TRY BUZZ+ NAO"
09:41<ruku>"Now with Google Wave integration!"
09:41<Deezire>I like how you can buy google apps to mirror and cache an exchange server, so when the server goes down, you still can access your mail.
09:44<HoopyCat>nice thing about google apps: it works just like gmail, so you don't have to go through the whole "and these things are called 'folders', which are like labels, except you can only have one per message..." training thing
09:47<HoopyCat>i always bitch about how expensive, fickle, and prone to anger the CF9 servers are, but really, they're peanuts compared to the humans
09:49<HoopyCat>frick, we can lose a human for *days* because another human in their cluster stops functioning
09:49<swaj>Hey guys, at Microsoft Spain, they want you to know that you're doing web development wrong. You should be doing this:
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09:51<HoopyCat>swaj: the DDDD means it can't run fast without breaking its spine and it's so top-heavy it'll fall over at rest?
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09:55<nohh>that url is a case study in discoverability and seo-friendliness
09:56<nohh>guess they get a pass due to it just being an image
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10:02<ruku>Well, I'll see how this google thing goes.
10:02<ruku>Thanks for your advice Deezire and hawk.
10:04<hawk>ruku: Note that I'm not saying stay with google, I'm essentially just saying that if you don't have some time to spend on it you may not want to do it yourself
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10:08<ruku>hawk - a very true statement, and well noted.
10:08<ruku>I think I'll move to their $50 a year plan
10:08<ruku>its MUCH less cluttered
10:09<ruku>and I like not being on 50 different services...
10:10<ruku>But I'll be late for work if I don't leave.
10:10<ruku>Thanks again folks!
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10:54<HoopyCat>0 upgraded, 13 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
10:54*HoopyCat . o O ( hmm, there's a few suggested packages there. might as well have apt install suggested packages too )
10:54<HoopyCat>0 upgraded, 1723 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
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10:56<nohh>I suggest you install every package there is.. just in case
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10:58<HoopyCat>what i'm installing: build-essential; some of the things that suggests gets you: openser, cups, asterisk, evolution, gimp, gnome, kde, texlive...
10:59<deejoe>be sure to --force them, so that you get them all
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10:59<tjfontaine>tex blech
10:59<HoopyCat>U BEEN KNUTH'D
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10:59<praetorian>you've been Shaw'd
11:00<deejoe>you see, this is how the global communist conspiracy works
11:00<deejoe>package entryism
11:00<nohh>contaminating our precious fluids
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11:19<Heatryn>Hi, how can I disable backups on a linode?
11:19<Heatryn>I can't find the button to disable the backup plan
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11:21<HoopyCat>if worse comes to worse, open a ticket and support can take care of it
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11:22<pharaun>I always thought you needed to ticket to disable the backups
11:24<DrJ>you must
11:24<DrJ>I don't see it either
11:25<DrJ>imo the backups though are worth it ... I really really really wish I could download them (even if they count against my bandwidth)
11:28<hawk>Would it make that big a difference if you could download the backups compared to you downloading your files yourself?
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11:33<pharaun>imho you should always have both kind of backup
11:33<HoopyCat>country AND western
11:33<pharaun>the linode snapshot for quick restore, and offsite backup in case the machine goes down/destroyed/whatever
11:33<HoopyCat>oh wait, that's both kinds of music
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11:35<JshWright>Linode backups are pretty easily replicated with an automated deployment system and off-site data backups
11:36<JshWright>(assuming you don't mind keeping your deployment scripts updated)
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11:38<hawk>Well, the main upside is convenience. Sure, you'll want something[C off-site too.
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11:39<pharaun>yeah and the linode backup is like, oh crap, ok *click* restore, done
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11:43<DrJ>yea, I do remote backups myself
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11:45<HoopyCat>when's the last time you heard someone say "jeez, we really had too many up-to-date backups"?
11:45<pharaun>HoopyCat: a bean counter?
11:45<HoopyCat>pharaun: storage is cheap
11:45<pharaun>not to them, they cry over every cent outgoing :p
11:46<pharaun>but yeah storage is cheap so there's no good reason not to do it imho
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11:46*nDuff just makes sure he's paid enough that it costs more for his time to fix a problem than to throw more hardware/storage/whatnot at it.
11:47<nDuff>...makes things much easier that way.
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11:47<HoopyCat>storage is cheap, people are expensive, data is priceless
11:47<pharaun>go get a mastercard :>
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11:51<hawk>Maybe they feel sorry for them? I mean, they didn't even have a web site the other day...
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11:54<hawk>Of course they are
11:54<Number7>I mean evil is all in perspective so it is really rather relative.
11:54<Number7>We can define some universal evils based on the opinion of the majority.
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11:55<Number7>Running down bunnies in a dune buggy, evil.
11:55<Number7>Providing a service and cashing in on capitalism, not so much.
11:55<pharaun>Number7: what if you want to eat the bunnies but had no gun,
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11:59<Number7>pharaun: I'm not sure meat that has been crushed under the wheels of a car would be very good.
11:59<pharaun>true :)
11:59<Number7>I'd resort to a figure 4 deadfall.
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12:00<pharaun>corporations are not evil, but they certainly are amoral
12:01<+linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Debian 6 (Squeeze) <> || Manage Content with Markdown and Mango on Fedora 14 <>
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12:08<Number7>Evilness aside, Linux is community based and people like the people in here are what make it so great.
12:08*Number7 braces to be called a communist.
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12:12<Peng>Communism, huh? I have some books here I think you might be interested in...
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12:12<Number7>Farenheit 451?
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12:19<Daevien>Number7: going back to your previous comment of eating crushed bunny meat... what do you think the rednecks in the american south eat? roadkill. same thing :p
12:22<Number7>Thank goodness I'm a midwestern redneck. =)
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12:25<Peng>AIUI you're not supposed to run it over with the tires, just smash into it a little.
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12:27<Daevien>i'm not a redneck so i dont know the fine art of making roadkill :P
12:28<Peng>I have not done extensive research, but it just seems obvious, you know?
12:31<Number7>SpaceHobo: This only raises deeper and more concerning questions.
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12:34<Number7>My virgin eyes!
12:34<penis>settle down
12:35<Number7>I can't I have a penis in my eyes.
12:35<Number7>Figuratively speaking.
12:35<penis>mikegrb is the owner of oftc?
12:35<penis>also, mikegrb hosts the oftc hub on a linode128
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12:36<opello>owner and lord commander!
12:36<penis>is he really?
12:36<penis>and he hosts oftc on linode?
12:36<hawk>penis: Back in 2003 I suppose it was on a linode128
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12:36<penis>is it still on linode though?
12:37<Number7>and start looking up hosts on ARIN
12:37<Daevien>much of oftc runs on linode servers but not all is my understanding, like any good place that wants 24/7 they have redundancy just in case
12:37<penis>hybrid-7.2.2+oftc1.6.8(STABLE). egIqKMZ6 TS6ow
12:38<hawk>penis: See the Network Operators and Server Sponsors paragraphs
12:38<penis>linode turns 8, +25% disk space
12:38<penis>who wants more disk space? give us ram
12:38<penis>or bandwidth
12:39<hawk>penis: We got ram the last time
12:39<penis>yeah, so keep giving it
12:39<penis>nobody uses linode for storage, disk space is useless
12:39<hawk>Can't give the same present over and over
12:39*Daevien rolls eyes. either you are just trolling or you are a moron. people btich about space when they give ram, ram when they give space. sounds like a troll
12:40<JshWright>Linode is an OFTC sponsor, there are plenty of non-Linode servers in the OFTC network
12:40<Peng>Woah. A time when mikegrb was just a customer!
12:41<penis>back when i signed up for linode, it was just caker and mikegrb running the game
12:41<Peng>Wow, and the second data center was new.
12:41<Number7>Daevien: A troll with the nick penis? Say it isn't so.
12:41<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:41<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:42<Number7>Will not touch religion in here. =|
12:42<pharaun>Number7: but religion will touch you
12:42<Peng>Especially the noodley appendages.
12:42<Number7>I have no noodley appendages... right now.
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12:43<Number7>Only when my monitor looks like a blow torch.
12:43<hawk>SpaceHobo: Is there a difference?
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12:45<@mikegrb>mmm cake
12:45<hawk>SpaceHobo: But at least mike is over it to the point where he responds to your cake references
12:45<penis>everybody say the year you became a member of linode!
12:46<Peng>Never -- I just troll
12:47<hawk>2005 for me (not my personal account, though)
12:47<penis>SpaceHobo: how is that possible?
12:48<Yaakov>My first logs from this channel are missing because they were from the 11 days that were removed from the calendar.
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12:49<penis>how do you have the same computer?
12:49<penis>or server
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12:50<Yaakov>I am a newcomer, June of 2008.
12:50<penis>oh, i never liked him
12:50<penis>does he still come in here?
12:50<hawk>and lkml was spelled lklm
12:50<HoopyCat><--- june 30, 2006
12:50<penis>and he still comes in here?!
12:50<penis>AND HAPPYCAT?!
12:50<penis>all these old people i recognize
12:51<HoopyCat>oh hey, five years now
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12:52<penis>i don't remember sneakums
12:52<penis>i remember the rest
12:52<penis>didnt HoopyCat used to go by "HappyCat"
12:52<penis>or am i crazy?
12:53<pharaun>happy cat went all hoopy :p
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12:53<penis>so he did used to use nick "HappyCat", right?
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12:56<Number7>Oh so sleepy.
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13:05<Peng>Woah, a few years ago Linode had 3.2 GHz processors.
13:05<Peng>Netburst, I guess.
13:08<hawk>Something like I suppose
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13:10<HoopyCat>i think you're crazy
13:12<Yaakov>HoopyCat: You missed the free Linode local microbrew beer!
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13:16<HoopyCat>Yaakov: alas!
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13:19<Daevien>aflack? what?
13:19<retro|blah>Who do they have voicing the duck now?
13:20<Daevien>retro|blah: it's yaakov apaprently
13:20<retro|blah>Can't argue with that decision
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13:26<Daevien>i'm still amused that they though gottfried was ever a good choice to have represent them, he's loud & annoying and it's not his first run in with jokes that peopel didn't think were appropriate :p
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13:31<Peng>fo0bar: So, did the letter from get there yet?
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13:34<retro|blah>How do you get the ^ correction operator in bash to apply to all instances of that string in the previous command? It seems to just replace the first occurrence, by default
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13:35<retro|blah>(e.g., foo bar foo baz; ^foo^foz)
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13:41<Parallax>Here's a dumb question, how would I make it so that my account can edit stuff in /usr/share/nginx/www without removing chown from www-data?
13:41<Parallax>chmod'ing the folder recursively doesn't apply to files created afterwards, and I don't want to have to keep chmodding :|
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13:45<hawk>A default acl, perhaps? Or if you can add the files in some controlled fashion where they would have the appropriate permissions set
13:46<hawk>umask will not set the right owner, though
13:46<alohatone>not but wuill set perms
13:46<alohatone>use a group
13:47<AlexC_>isn't there a stickybit you can set to always set the owner the same as the parent?
13:47<hawk>I guess what you're saying kind of alls under "in some controlled fashion", anyway... Which may not be possible
13:47<AlexC_>or along such lines. I'm pretty sure there is
13:49<hawk>not sticky, but sgid, right?
13:50<AlexC_>I think so, reading the man page now
13:51<hawk>So yes, sgid (on the directory/ies) may be a possibility too
13:52<JshWright>Parallax: make them editable by the group, and add your user to that group
13:55<hawk>The existance of a group will not magically set the right owner on the new files, though
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14:23<chris777>is it normal for a disk duplication to copy at 370.46 KB/s? this seems awfully slow.
14:28<piney0>On the DNS manager, The TTL field is defaulted to 'default' , does anyone know how long 'default' is?
14:29<hawk>24h, iirc
14:30<hawk>Yep, just checked... 86400
14:32<hawk>However, I assume that as it defaults to "default" rather than 86400 that the default could possibly change
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14:34<JshWright>chris777: I'd agree, that seems slow in my experience
14:38<penis>you want to fuck with me, huh?
14:38<penis>i'll light you up
14:38<penis>Benelli Boyz 187
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15:09<tunabananas>jesus! just who i wuz looking for..
15:09<jesus>i am just checking
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15:10<jesus>to see how is or will be support in linode..
15:10<tunabananas>does anyone know what this is/means? - /dev/xvda 930M 930M 0 100% /
15:10<jesus>no free space available..
15:10<JshWright>tunabananas: not without some context, no...
15:11<jesus>ups.. no
15:11<jesus>xvda is a hard disk?
15:11<JshWright>it's a partition
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15:12<JshWright>well... it's a virtual disk image, technically you could partition it up further
15:12<JshWright>but, in this case, it have a 930M filesystem on it, with 930M available
15:12<tunabananas>in my configuration profile, shout i have my Ubuntu DIsk Image in 'Blocked Device Assignment"?
15:13<JshWright>tunabananas: probably...
15:13<hawk>JshWright: You mean "with 0 available"
15:13<JshWright>that is indeed what I mean
15:14<tunabananas>but inside my Linode dashboard it says i have 95% available...
15:14<retro|blah>tunabananas: So make your disk image larger
15:14<JshWright>you have X amount of space available to allocate, you have currently allocated 5% of X
15:14<HoopyCat>tunabananas: you have a ~20 GB hard disk, but your / partition is only 930 MB
15:14<hawk>tunabananas: In the dashboard it says how much of the storage that you have allocated for some kind of use
15:15<tunabananas>ahhh i see
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15:15<tunabananas>so it should be set to max?
15:15<hawk>tunabananas: Typically that would say 0% available (If you have made all your storage available to your linode)
15:15<tunabananas>oh! word
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15:23<tunabananas>thank you
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15:33<cboyack>Hi all
15:33<cboyack>I've got a memory question I'm hoping to find help with. Support didn't seem to have much to offer and they recommended I turn to the community
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15:34<cboyack>I'm getting huuuuge IO spikes. My domains don't run much more than Wordpress, and don't get a lot of traffic. So the spikes are bizarre
15:35<cboyack>here's the free -m output from a recent spike:
15:36<hawk>You seem to use a lot of memory...
15:36<hawk>I suppose you may be swap thrashing
15:37<hawk>vmstat can probably confirm that
15:37<cboyack>HEre is vmstate 1 20
15:37<cboyack>procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu----
15:37<cboyack>ew, ugly.. let me see if i can screenshot it
15:37<+linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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15:38<+linbot>New news from forums: looking for someone who knows the API in General Discussion <>
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15:38<hawk>As for support, as it's an unmanaged service it's pretty much expected that they won't dig into your configuration issues
15:39<JshWright>even a light amount of traffic, properly timed, can blow up your memory usage if Apache hasn't been tuned at all
15:39<cboyack>Here is vmstat:
15:39<JshWright>have you reduced Apache's MaxClients value?
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15:40<cboyack>A few months ago I implemented the tips found here:
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15:40<hawk>cboyack: Yeah, you're swap thrasing... the swap in/out columns should ideally both say 0 most of the time
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15:40<hawk>Is it apache that you are using?
15:40<JshWright>what's the current setting for MaxClients in the prefork section of Apache's config?
15:41<cboyack>So it's not a lot of traffic, and most of the sites are just basic Wordpress installs
15:41<cboyack>@JshWright: 24
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15:41<cboyack>@hawk I impelemented those tips a couple of months ago
15:41<cboyack>I get swap thrashing every day or two now
15:42<Peng>24 could still be too much, I suppose.
15:42<Peng>What does htop/top/ps say is using all that memory?
15:42<cboyack>Here are some screenshots of iotop during the last IO spike:
15:42<JshWright>24 is still pretty high on a 512, try 10 for now and see how that goes
15:43<cboyack>oops, repaste:
15:44<Peng>cboyack: You know, text can be copied and pasted. :P
15:44<JshWright>Yeah... drop MaxClients to 10 (and turn off KeepAlives)
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15:44<hawk>Can you have a look at how much memory the stuff you're running are using? Just so we can be sure if it's apache that's munching it all up
15:44<cboyack>@Peng I had to grab the screenshots while the spike was happening, so I took a quick succession of screenshots to capture the output
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15:45<Peng>cboyack: Oh. Makes sense.
15:45<cboyack>@hawk Easiest way to check that?
15:45<Peng>cboyack: htop, top or ps.
15:45<Peng>pronto: Is that...supposed to be Photobucket's "bandwidth exceeded" image?
15:45<JshWright>it's pretty clearly Apache, looking at those iotop shots
15:46<Peng>JshWright: Almost certainly, but it'd be better to confirm it.
15:46<pronto>Peng: >.>
15:46<hawk>JshWright: Well, apache is clearly swapping in/out, but I don't know how to read how much it actually uses
15:46<Peng>hawk: iotop does not provide that information.
15:46<Peng>Or if it does it's with some other configuration, at least. Shrug.
15:47<hawk>Peng: That's what I thought, but it was clear according to JshWright... hence why I'm unsure
15:47<Peng>JshWright: It's not impossible that something else is causing, or at least contributing to the swapping, and Apache is partially or completely a victim.
15:47<Peng>JshWright: i.e. MySQL prob'ly :P
15:47<cboyack>But if I run top/ps now, it won't show the info needed, right? I'd have to catch it in the middle of the spike to see what's doing what.
15:47<JshWright>if anything else was using memory, it would be swapping too, and therefore, showing up in that shot
15:48<Peng>cboyack: Yeah, but it wouldn't hurt to see where most of your RAM usage is now, too.
15:48<Peng>JshWright: I guess...I dunno, I guess I'm just completely untrusting of Linux's memory management behavior. :P
15:49<tjfontaine>Peng: puh-leeze
15:49<JshWright>Apache is clearly the only thing actively using memory at the time those screenshots were taken
15:49<JshWright>that's also a _lot_ of Apache processes
15:49<Peng>tjfontaine: What?
15:50<Nivex>turn off overcommit.
15:50<Nivex>that will make it at least a bit more sane
15:50<JshWright>and a lot less useful
15:51<Nivex>well, I guess you don't actually turn it completely off
15:51<Nivex>but you do make it so malloc() actually fails at some reasonable point
15:52<Peng>malloc? Failing? Sacrilege!
15:53<Nivex>yeah, I know. Actually knowing about a problem when it happens is a crazy notion
15:53<hawk>Nivex: malloc failing does not necessarily lead to sanity, but sure...
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15:54<cboyack>JshWright: I have impelemented your suggested changes and will check things out over the next few days to monitor how things go... thanks all!
15:55<hawk>What was that, dropping maxclients, etc further?
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16:03<cboyack>yes, and turning KeepAlive off
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16:06<tonall>anyone out there that can tell me how to cover myself for a traffic spike?
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16:06<tonall>I'm getting on enow, not that large
16:06<tonall>and everything is crawling
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16:06<tonall>not sure if it's the server or the site set up actually
16:07<hawk>tonall: Some kind of LAMP scenario or what are we talking about?
16:07<tonall>my site is live, pretty new and I average about 50 visits a day rioght now
16:07<tonall>but i got a piece on a digg type site and have had 1000 visits today
16:07<hawk>tonall: is some form of starting point
16:07<tonall>the site keeps crashing
16:08<tonall>great thanks
16:08<hawk>Also make sure that the site(s) has reasonable caching implemented
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16:18<AlexC_>1000 visits a day killing your server?
16:18<pharaun>that's... ouch
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16:22<Peng>It might if they're all at the same time.
16:23<jmartinez>Any suggestions for number of PHP-fpm start_servers on a 512 Linode (NGINX)??
16:23<AlexC_>jmartinez: depends on your load. I have 1 or 2 depending on the site
16:24<jmartinez>2-3K hits per day, batcache/memcached, cpu hovering around 5-10%
16:25<jmartinez>PHP-fpm error log says increase start servers(currently at 2)
16:25<jmartinez>What about the min/max spare servers?
16:26<AlexC_>2-3K hits per day is nothing. 2 should be more than enough
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16:27<pharaun>depend on the kind of load it is tho
16:27<pharaun>if all at once, or spread out or etc
16:27<AlexC_>I think it's safe to assume 2-3k hits per day are not going to happen all at once if that's all he gets per day
16:28<jmartinez>They are spread out pretty evenly
16:28<jmartinez>Maybe I just need to increase min/max spares?
16:28<pharaun>just checking :) then you seem ok, hows your memory?
16:29<AlexC_>you're getting 0.03 requests per day :P I'd love to know what app you're running
16:29<AlexC_>jmartinez: PHP-FPM has a status page, much like Apache mod_status. Set that up and see what PHP-FPM is doing, and what you *really* need to be adjusting
16:29<AlexC_>s/per day/per second
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16:32<jmartinez>Php-fpm status page? Just googled and didnt find anything
16:33<AlexC_>jmartinez: look in your PHP-FPM config. You'll see 'pm.status_path'
16:34<SleePy>Its not included by default I think
16:34<AlexC_>if you're running Apache, you'll have to setup a handler for the path you set there to your PHP-FPM handler *and* ensure that on rewrite rules are happening for that PATH (such as redirecting non-existant files to index.php)
16:34<AlexC_>SleePy: it is since PHP-FPM was officially part of PHP
16:35<jmartinez>I'm running nginx
16:35<AlexC_>jmartinez: ok, well you can still use it
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16:36<SleePy>AlexC_, I don't see it in the default config file though. Its on the documentation though.
16:37<AlexC_>SleePy: 'default' of what?
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16:37<AlexC_>if you're using some PHP package for your distro, then complain to the maintainer of that package :P It's 100% there if you compile PHP your self
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16:38<jmartinez>It's in my php-fpm config
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16:38<jmartinez>I set the path to /phpstatus and restarted php5-fpm but I get a 404 error when I try to view it]
16:39<AlexC_>jmartinez: yes, you need to setup your web sever to make /phpstatus get handled by php-fpm
16:39<AlexC_>(much like how you have it handle *.php)
16:39<SleePy>Hmm.. Must just be in some maintainer packages
16:39<AlexC_>SleePy: what file are you looking in?
16:40<Parallax>I wonder if I could run a 32-man Team Fortress 2 server on my Linode
16:40<gregr>man, I love fridays. added code to gzip and unzip data files; my average data file is 400K, compressed is 100K. It's faster for my app to load (via http on internal network) and unzip the compressed version, then it is to load the uncompressed version. I thought I was just saving disk space - pleasantly surprised that it made things a bit faster! :)
16:41<SleePy>I was looking a one of my pool configs.
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16:42<skegeek>Do most users host their own dns?
16:42<gregr>heh - chart showing 5K IOPS while I'm compressing my data now...ooh, done, good.
16:42<AlexC_>skegeek: I would think most Linode users use Linode DNS
16:44<skegeek>Would Apache/nGinx see that as an external dns server?
16:45<AlexC_>skegeek: ...?
16:45<HoopyCat>apache/nginx don't see DNS servers; they ask the operating system to resolve things for them
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16:46<gregr>anyone know if "blocks/sec" on the linode graphs is equivalent to actual IO operations per sec, in disk terms?
16:47<HoopyCat>gregr: if each IO operation involves exactly one block, they will be equivalent :-)
16:47<gregr>lol thx
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16:48<HoopyCat>gregr: i believe it should match up with 'vmstat' (which is also blocks/second)
16:48<gregr>ah ok - I can look that one up and see how it's measured. thx!
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16:49<skegeek>I simply meant that Linode DNS is the same as using any other external dns?
16:49<gregr>huh: "The Backup Service for this Linode is currently undergoing maintenance"
16:50<hawk>gregr: Fremont?
16:50<HoopyCat>skegeek: define "external DNS"... i'm not exactly sure what you're asking
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16:51<hawk>skegeek: I don't see why it would matter where you host your dns zones...
16:53<AlexC_>skegeek: Linode offers you authoritative name servers, setup your domain nameservers to be ns{1,5} and edit the records in your DNS manager
16:54<skegeek>Well, what is the benefit of using Linode DNS over ther registrar?
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16:54<Peng>skegeek: Depends on the registrar.
16:54<skegeek>Namecheap in this case
16:54<Peng>skegeek: Some registrars offer great DNS services. Some are terrible -- unreliable, crappy interfaces, few record types...
16:54<Peng>skegeek: Never used them, so I can't say. :-\
16:55<hawk>skegeek: It pretty much depends on whether you find the Linode interface superior and/or like the API possibilities... and which one you think may be more reliable
16:55<skegeek>I don't really understand why Linode offers dns without registration anyway.
16:56<AlexC_>I tend to say, if they don't let you add/edit at least A,AAAA,MX,CNAME,TXT and alter TTL value, then they normally suck
16:56<gregr>well here's an example...1and1 doesn't allow you to create TXT records.
16:56<hawk>skegeek: Because many registrars have rather crappy dns services for one thing
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16:57<hawk>skegeek: And some don't have any at all, for that matter
16:57<Peng>skegeek: DNS is easy. Being a registrar is hard.
16:57<imanc>question for you guys - I have a linode server that runs an ecommerce site. The site is doing a reasonable amount of trade, several thousand GBP a day. And I'm slightly concerned about the potential of failure. We have the standard linode backup, which is cool, but I'm thinking about some real time redundancy and am wondering what would be a practical solution. There's probably not enohg traffic ot warrant a load balancer, yet but if it's the b
16:57<HoopyCat>skegeek: being a registrar usually isn't very lucrative, and would eat into linode's dev/ops/support resources something fierce
16:57<Peng>imanc: You got cut off at "warrant a load balancer, yet but if it's the b"
16:58<imanc>Peng: traffic ot warrant a load balancer, yet but if it's the best solution to provice an immediate backup server..
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16:59<HoopyCat>skegeek: authorative DNS is one of those things that can't be done with a single linode, so it makes sense from a "things you'd need to fully enjoy a linode" thing more so than a "things you'd need to fully enjoy a domain" thing
16:59<AlexC_>imanc: Linode load balancing will only do just that, load balancing. It's still up to you to keep things in sync
17:00<imanc>AlexC_: yeh that makes sense. As I understood it, if a server failed, the load balancer would simply redirect traffic to the alternative server. But then again the LB itself is a single point of failure.
17:00<gregr>I think someone said the LB's run themselves on multiple nodes, so as to provide internal redundancy
17:00<HoopyCat>imanc: my usual approach is to have three layers: a load balancer layer, an application layer, and a data storage layer
17:01<AlexC_>imanc: I don't know exactly how Linodes load balancing service works, but I can be pretty sure to say they have that covered for you
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17:01<imanc>AlexC_: Ahh, I'll look into it. I didn't know they offered a specific load balancing service - I had visions of hooking up 3 servers - one to act as a LB, and then the two LB'd servers.
17:01<AlexC_>also remember, if you're running a PHP app that is using sessions - you're going to have to use something like memcache(d) and store your sessions in memcache
17:02<AlexC_>imanc: I may still be in beta I believe
17:02<HoopyCat>imanc: the load balancer layer "should" be stateless, as efficient as possible, and in an active-standby hot-failover IP-sharing etc-etc-etc configuration
17:02<imanc>Or a 3rd DB server
17:02<gregr>and also, assuming you're using a database on the back end, that will be (by far) the most difficult spot to get automatic failover working
17:02<imanc>HoopyCat: I jsut went cross eyed
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17:03<imanc>gregr: yeh, agreed. Maybe a mysql master/slave set up would solve that? I'd need to look into it.
17:03<HoopyCat>imanc: is a nice pretty picture :-)
17:04<imanc>thanks HoopyCat
17:04<gregr>imanc: that's one way to go, but your slave will have to be clever enough to declare itself the master if the master disappears; plus your code will need to know where to write. Do-able - but non-trivial.
17:05<imanc>So what would you guys recommend? Given we currently have one Linode, it seems a big step up to have master/slave db, two lbs, etc. is there an easier solution?
17:05<AlexC_>it's trivial with PHP
17:05<HoopyCat>imanc: so there's the load balancers way up front -- they should be brain-dead simple, efficient, not changing very often, and set up to share the same public-facing IP address. if the active load balancer goes away, the standby will pick it up
17:05<imanc>HoopyCat: yes, makes sense. Wondering if linode's LB service will have that covered?
17:06<gregr>AlexC_: do you have a reference? I've never set it up in production, last time I needed to have a truly bulletproof system was using sql server
17:06<HoopyCat>imanc: way in the back is your data storage. this is a pain in the ass to do right. if you're using something like django that supports multiple database servers natively, and most of your queries are reads (vs. writes), it's not too bad
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17:06<HoopyCat>imanc: yeah, linode's load balancer will meet the needs of the load balancing end of things :-)
17:06<AlexC_>gregr: If you compile PHP against mysqlnd, you can use mysqlnd plugins to do automatic distrubtion of queries. Such as INSERTS to the master, and SELECT will go to the slaves
17:06<imanc>I think the replication would need to be managed by mysql
17:07<HoopyCat>imanc: the middle part, the application/"frontend" servers, are where the software runs... if you're doing it right, you should be able to destroy and create these at will without having to synchronize any ephemereal data (because it's all in the database/storage layer)
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17:08<imanc>HoopyCat: there would need to be data, templates, code etc. that need be synched with each application server
17:08<gregr>AlexC_: ok that's nice, although not the hard the event the master fails, it would need to reconfig itself. Plus the mysql slave would need to become master (that's the part I'm unclear on how it works)
17:08<imanc>Though most of the data is in the db
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17:09<HoopyCat>imanc: store the templates and code in a source code repository, and use something like puppet or chef (or, hell, stackscripts for the simple case) to deploy the code
17:09<gregr>AlexC_: btw, I didn't mean "that's nice" in a snotty way lol
17:09<AlexC_>gregr: too late, you've hurt my feelings
17:10<gregr>AlexC_: lol I figured you'd be the sensitive type
17:10<imanc>HoopyCat: Yeh, we'd most likely use mercurial + fabric to automate fetching code to each server
17:10<AlexC_>gregr: I thought you were implying the application logic was non-trival, hence the mysqlnd. But as for master/slave ... it's quite simple with MySQL at least. Not sure how mysqlnd handles that though
17:10<jmartinez>How do I increase the size of my APC cache on PHP5?
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17:12<imanc>HoopyCat: Can you think of an intermediate solution? Such as a server that has the same configuration and has db + codebase rsync'd every hour, and then a manual changing over of IP if the main server fails?
17:12<HoopyCat>imanc: cool book for the MySQL end of things, by the way: ... a weekend with that book was great. routing queries to the "correct" database server is still a headache :-)
17:12<imanc>I'm just thinking a 24 hour rolling back up could lead to lost order data, and large site downtime
17:13<gregr>oooh good link to the mysql book
17:13<gregr>will have to look for that
17:13<gregr>man they're proud of that sucker though - lol
17:13<imanc>Was just checking my dev teams book repo - we don't have it yet
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17:14<HoopyCat>imanc: the first thing i would do (well, after making sure all tables are on innodb, binlogging is enabled, and mysqldump --single-transaction --master-data=1 --all-databases runs nicely, of course) is set up another instance to act as a database slave
17:14<imanc>OK - so a slave db server is step 1
17:15<AlexC_>you'll want to be doing the MySQL dumps on the slave server once setup as well, not master
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17:15<imanc>AlexC_: yeh, makes sense
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17:16<jmartinez>I am getting this error when trying to update the APC cache size in my php.ini: PHP Warning: PHP Startup: apc.shm_size now uses M/G suffixes, please update your ini files in Unknown on line 0
17:16<AlexC_>jmartinez: what do you think it means?
17:17<HoopyCat>AlexC_: why not on the master? it is quite possible for the slave's dataset to be unintentionally different from the master's dataset, and i'd rather trust the master's view
17:17<AlexC_>HoopyCat: because you can't ensure data intergrity. The ideal process is to pause syncing on the slave, do the dump, resync up
17:18<jmartinez>AlexC: lol, thanks.
17:18<jmartinez>Should I disable memcache if I am using APC?
17:18<AlexC_>HoopyCat: unless of course you lock all the tables on the master, which is most likely going to cause issues in the application being unable to write to the tables
17:18<AlexC_>for large databases, this could be a nightmare
17:18<HoopyCat>AlexC_: see "after making sure all tables are on innodb"
17:19<AlexC_>HoopyCat: that doesn't solve the problem
17:19<AlexC_>you can't ensure the data is how you want it unless you're locking all tables
17:19<HoopyCat>AlexC_: --single-transaction does
17:21<AlexC_>HoopyCat: hum, reading more on that now
17:22<HoopyCat>it actually works so well that i cleanly lost an entire table of data due to replication lag during a migration yesterday, because i forgot to tell it to not read from a slave :-)
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17:24<AlexC_>HoopyCat: the docs seem a little inconsistent. It says it will acquire a global read lock, which is less than ideal
17:25<AlexC_>however, not sure why I've not come across this before. Thanks =)
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17:27<HoopyCat>AlexC_: has the other misc. caveats
17:29<HoopyCat>AlexC_: is where angels start singing
17:31<HoopyCat>AlexC_: --all-databases and --add-drop-database team up to turn it into an instant one-file slave reconditioning and point-in-time recovery machine of sexiness
17:32<AlexC_>yes that is pretty cool. I really have no idea how I missed --single-transaction before
17:32<HoopyCat>(at this point, if you aren't feeling a little tight and turgid below the belt, IYKWIM, you're probably completely normal and well-adjusted)
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17:33<AlexC_>anyway, sleep o'clock. G'bai
17:33<HoopyCat>heh heh, i knew you'd have to go idle for awhile after this one...
17:43<jmartinez>how do I remove/disable memcached? I am using APC and can see that memcached is still holding resources
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17:44<Peng>You do know APC and memcached are totally different things?
17:47<jmartinez>I am pretty new, but from my understanding I no longer need memcache running if I am using APC opcode instead(wordpress batcache)?
17:48<jmartinez>I allocated 64mb of mem to memcache and i can still see it holding it via htop
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17:52<nDuff>Does the global "can add linodes" grant include resize operations &c. for existing nodes?
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17:54<hawk>nDuff: I doubt that
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17:55<nDuff>...grr. Any way to grant those privileges for all nodes?
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17:55<imanc>jmartinez: why can't you use memcached and apc together?
17:56<hawk>nDuff: It's the "Access" permission for the Linodes thing that you're after, right?
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17:59<nDuff>hawk, full administrative access to all systems but not part of the billing list
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18:02<hawk>nDuff: And there is such a flux in your set of linodes that checking the relevant permissions is a problem?
18:02<nDuff>hawk, ...checking the boxes for about 30 nodes is pretty darned annoying. And once we get certain automation finished, there _will_ be a fair bit of flux in the nodes.
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18:04<hawk>Ok, just from looking at the UI it looks like that is the intended thing to do
18:05<nDuff>*grumble*. S'ppose filing a support ticket is the right way to relay that kind of enhancement request?
18:05<hawk>That and/or I suppose
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18:12<alohatone>its def not porting today
18:13<alohatone>ports happen at 6am and 8am only (rarely at noon) but i will have heard frmo twtc already
18:13<alohatone>and its off the calendar
18:13<alohatone>and ignore me
18:13<alohatone>sorry for that too many windows open. :(
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18:16<HoopyCat>alohatone: seriously? it's the first of the month, a friday, and the day before a long weekend! it's like bad luck x1000 to sked LNP for today ;-)
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18:23<eyecool>jmartinez: yes, you can use both but, rule of thumb-> use opcode caching (APC) for single server installs and memcache for multiserver installs. Here's some more info:
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18:24<stemcel>any linode staff here?
18:24<stemcel>Is that a "Yes, me" ? ;)
18:25<@Perihelion>You got me :(
18:25<@Perihelion>How can I help?
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18:25<stemcel>I've been a customer for a bit under a year
18:25<stemcel>I have a 512 node
18:26<stemcel>when I got it was $25/month
18:26<stemcel>looks like it's $20/month now
18:26<stemcel>but I'm still getting billed for $25
18:26<stemcel>does that seem right?
18:26<@Perihelion>Are you sure you don't have the backup service enabled?
18:26<stemcel>this is why I like you guys :D
18:26<stemcel>yes... yes I do
18:26<stemcel>I feel dumb
18:26<@Perihelion>That'd do it then :P
18:27<@Perihelion>No worries haha
18:27<stemcel>I had Slicehost for years before I switched over
18:27<stemcel>they still haven't updated their prices in something like 4 years?
18:28<@Perihelion>They're getting rolled into Rackspace cloud now I think
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18:28<stemcel>I did a lot of shopping around and browsing before picking Linode, and somewhere in the intervening year I forgot that Linode charged extra for backups
18:28<stemcel>because another option was Zerigo and they don't
18:29<stemcel>but... I still picked Linode
18:29<stemcel>because all things considered
18:29<stemcel>better option imo
18:29<stemcel>I just forgot
18:29-!-Peter is now known as Guest621
18:29<stemcel>Zerigo got acquired recently aslo
18:29<stemcel>by whosawhats
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18:30<stemcel>all right Perihelion, thanks again
18:30<stemcel>I continue to refer people to you guys :)
18:30<stemcel>a few coworkers and friends now have Linode accounts
18:30<stemcel>also I moved another friend from Slicehost to Linode
18:31<@Perihelion>No problem! Glad to hear you like the service :)
18:31<stemcel>you guys keep the lights on, have good management, backup, and graphs/stats
18:31<stemcel>and good prices
18:31<stemcel>what's not to love?
18:31<Peng>Zerigo was acquired, eh?
18:31<@caker>and we're all very good looking
18:32<stemcel>I couldn't testify to the above in court, but I'll take your word for it ;)
18:32<avenj>esp. mikegrb
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18:32*Perihelion struts
18:33<thrthtrh>oh god
18:33<thrthtrh>save me
18:33-!-thrthtrh is now known as JoeK
18:34<@Perihelion>I'm afraid you're beyond help, sir.
18:34<JoeK>thats why i need saving :(
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18:40*synapt slides peri a $20 for the strutting
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18:48*Knorrie hates movies where subtitles are constantly out of sync
18:49<navi>Knorrie: I hate web videos where the audio is out of sync
18:49<Knorrie>that's like the same sort of hate yes
18:49<retro|blah>Ew desyncs
18:50<navi>That's a reason I like VLC
18:50<navi>you can offset the audio if the file is out
18:50<retro|blah>I prefer to bludgeon the source of the file
18:50<navi>We had a few hours of technical difficulties on our TV where they were out
18:51<navi>(of sync)
18:51<Knorrie>well, this subtitles file did not match the movie, i was adjusting it for about 10 minutes in vlc continually, and then gave up
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18:51<navi>Because the audio came before the video showed the speaking, I took to trying to match the actors' mouth movements on TV
18:51<navi>(Because I already knew from hearing what they were going to say)
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20:01<loadavg>My Linode happens to be slow...
20:02<loadavg>Apache barely keeping up
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21:26<jazzybee>Shell scripting newb question: zip -er myfolder. Asks me to enter the password (twice) and creates a zip file. How do I get it to read the password from a file instead?
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21:29<tjfontaine>at least the version in squeeze doesn't have an option, but you could do --password $(cat password_file) though I doubt that's achieving what you're looking for
21:29<tjfontaine>ultimately the password would be visible when the process ran
21:29<tjfontaine>you could use another tool to create zip archive sthough
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21:40<DrJ>is there any good way to block like all traffic from china to my linode
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21:40<DrJ>no one from china will have any interest in my sites ... and 95% of IPs that try to break in are from there
21:42<akerl>DrJ: How are they attempting to break in?
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21:42<tjfontaine>have you met cidr?
21:42<DrJ>mostly ssh
21:43<akerl>DrJ: Are you using keys for auth?
21:43<tjfontaine>change your firewall policy from allow/deny to deny/allow and only specify the decidedly few networks you'll be ssh'ing from
21:43<DrJ>akerl, no
21:43<akerl>Well that's dumb.
21:43<tjfontaine>also dumb is allowing on 22
21:43*DrJ at least has fail2ban and root disabled :)
21:43<tjfontaine>so, DrJ you probably only ssh ing from 2 or 3 networks, whois your ips and get their netblocks and add them as whitelisted for your firewall on port 22
21:44<tjfontaine>if you end up using an ip outside of that netblock use lish to log in and add that ip for a temporary time period
21:45<akerl>tjfontaine: Is there a way to have it whitelist by hostname, rather than IP? For instance, say I have a laptop with dyndns?
21:45<tjfontaine>this is the single easiest mechanism to lower your surface area for attack, after that if you're still getting hammered with brute force attempts you can consider options like key only, and less sane denyhosts/fail2ban
21:45<tjfontaine>akerl: yes and no
21:46<tjfontaine>akerl: one means you only do a dnslookup upon insertion into the table (less than ideal for dyn dns) the other means that every request will result in a dns lookup
21:46<tjfontaine>akerl: in short, while there are ways to do it I would never suggest it
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21:47<tjfontaine>[even if it's only syn attack, it'd be pretty easy to DoS your system or your upstream dns]
21:47*DrJ would use keys for auth if I had a good way to secure them ... like a hardware token or something
21:48<tjfontaine>DrJ: also, forcing key auth is kinda silly because you can't enforce good policy like making sure *those* keys have passphrases on them
21:48<tjfontaine>DrJ: OTP/Authenticators are better solutions, have you seen the pam google-authenticator stuff?
21:48<akerl>tjfontaine: Only true if you're not the sole admin
21:49<tjfontaine>akerl: "I'm the only one who uses this system" is hardly security :P
21:49<akerl>tjfontaine: No, I mean that "You can't enforce good policy" only applies if there are other admins :p
21:49<DrJ>tjfontaine, I have something liek that for my ebay / paypal account
21:49<tjfontaine>akerl: I get your point, I'm just pointing out what I see as a flaw for the "key only" mechanism
21:49<Internat2>tjfontaine: is there a way to intergreate good-authenticator or something like that into ssh?
21:49<tjfontaine>akerl: it applies to anyone you let login via ssh
21:50<tjfontaine>Internat2: yes, they have a pam module, so you can do it at the ssh level or common-account level
21:51<tjfontaine>enforcing "key only" makes a motivated person just attempt to compromise your desktop and get your key, (flash bomb and grab ~/.ssh/id_rsa)
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21:51<tjfontaine>if your key is not passphrase protected it's game over, if it is passphrase protected they just get to brute force it without you seeing them try
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21:51<Internat2>so security is screwed regardless then eh? :P
21:52<tjfontaine>which comes to the second flaw in key only auth for ssh, you don't have a mechanism to expire keys without going through your users authorized_keys
21:52<akerl>The basic premise being "No matter what, a determined attacker will get in"
21:52<tjfontaine>at least if you're using openvpn and ssl cert auth, you can expire and revoke certificates in a policy *you* set
21:53<Internat2>so pretty much your better using something like ldap with a decent back end security policy with decent lock outs
21:53<tjfontaine>akerl: yes, I'm just pointing out there are better mechanisms that exist, and that ssh keys are hardly an 'end all' solution, and from my standpoint they barely scratch the surface
21:53<tjfontaine>Internat2: indeed, something more custom from the ground up
21:54<tjfontaine>iow: Security is hard.
21:54<Internat2>yeah we ldap auth all our nix servers at work to our Microsoft AD domain.. best way for us to do security there
21:54<akerl>I'm aware. I'm trying to devil's advocate enough that any newbs lurking don't decide to leave their password at "hunter2" rather than switch to keys
21:54<tjfontaine>akerl: :)
21:54<rnowak>hunter1 is a far less known password, should use that instead.
21:55<Internat2>sadly when i started work for my current company the root passwords on every server were abc1234...
21:56<Internat2>120 servers, no central authentication, no security policies.. i cried.
21:56<tjfontaine>did they at least rsync passwd/shadow/group? :P
21:56<Internat2>no :(
21:56<Internat2>when your password expired every 30 odd days, you had to log into EVERY server and change it
21:57<Internat2>yeah i used a bash script with expect, to automate it for me.. but that was one of the first few things i had chagned
21:57<tjfontaine>I've gotta hand it to MS, AD in that regard is a god send, and I too use it for my unix auth
21:57<Internat2>yeah we use winbind and auth off of AD for everything linux now.
21:58<tjfontaine>it's also considerably easier to setup and keep running these days as compared to 10 hell 3 years ago :)
21:58<Internat2>yeah very much so
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21:58<Internat2>had a few snafus since we were on ad 200 mode when i started, but we got that to 2003 R2 native mode soon enough and that fixed it all
21:59<tjfontaine>I was kinda hoping that the open api alliance stuff would push samba4 out the door faster, but tridge is still moving at snail pace as far as I'm concerned
21:59<tjfontaine>native 2003r2 is leaps and bounds nicer than 2000, I agree
21:59<tjfontaine>hell it has posix stuff if you want it :P
21:59<Internat2>yeah that would have been nice.. samba is a bug bear at the moment at work for me. the current version wont do shares properly with win7 boxes
22:00<tjfontaine>I know :/
22:00<tjfontaine>it's a bit of a disaster with the smb2 stuff
22:00<tjfontaine>between that and gpl3 is why apple is dropping samba in lion
22:00<DrJ>tjfontaine, that google authenticator looks cool
22:01<Internat2>not cool
22:01<DrJ>I wonder if I can integrate that into php stuff
22:02<DrJ>unfortunatly don't really have a site that really requires that kind of protection
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22:11<jazzybee>Does anyone have experience with the expect command?
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22:12<Internat2>bits and peices
22:12<nDuff>jazzybee, ##tcl on freenode would be the right place for support on expect
22:12<tjfontaine>jazzybee: I would rather use the python zip module to handle the encryption of the archive mroe securely
22:12<nDuff>jazzybee, also, if you know Python at all, I strongly suggest using the pexpect module instead.
22:12<nDuff>jazzybee, ...oh -- if it's something like password entry... yeah, tjfontaine's suggestion is better.
22:13*nDuff didn't know the context.
22:13<tjfontaine>nDuff: it was behind all my ranting :P
22:13<jazzybee>nDuff and tjfontaine: Thanks. I'll look it up. This is for a cron job on my mac that takes code backups and stores them on Dropbox
22:13<nDuff>jazzybee, consider GPG
22:13<nDuff>jazzybee, zip encryption is hopelessly weak.
22:13<nDuff>jazzybee, in, you can buy an off-the-shelf tool that will break it in seconds.
22:13<tjfontaine>or 7zip
22:14<tjfontaine>nDuff: buy? pfft
22:14<tjfontaine>I'm pretty sure there's FOSS stuff as well
22:14<jazzybee>tjfontaine: which 7zip utility do you recommendn for macs?
22:14<nDuff>jazzybee, if you want something with native support for all your filesystem capabilities (xattrs and the like)? Don't use 7zip.
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22:15<tjfontaine>jazzybee: if you're scripting probably commandline version or one that does applescript I guess
22:15<nDuff>'s good compression, but the existance of a "working" port notwithstanding, it's a very win32-centric tool.
22:15<tjfontaine>and nDuff is right you'll want tar+7z for its compression+encryption (or gpg)
22:15<nDuff>(and there are local LZMA tools with compression every bit as good)
22:16<tjfontaine>anyway, 189327482741 million ways to do this :D
22:16<jazzybee> what is the easiest way? tar.gz is fine. I only need help with automated encryption..the final step before uploading to dropbox
22:16<nDuff>jazzybee, if all you want is an encryption, use gpg, really.
22:16<tjfontaine>gpg is very scriptable and far more secure than zip encryption
22:17<tjfontaine>it was designed for just these purposes
22:17<nDuff>jazzybee, ...if you actually care about your security, use it in public-key mode, with the private key not stored on your server
22:17<nDuff>jazzybee, ...that way someone who breaks into your server won't be able to decrypt your historical backups -- just keep the key somewhere safe!
22:17<nDuff>s/an encryption/an encryption layer/
22:17<jazzybee>the inner recesses of mind...quite safe until you get me drunk
22:18<jazzybee>OK thanks guys. I'll go look up GPG
22:19*nDuff said "key", not "password". Keys are, y'know, _long_. Unless jazzybee has a photographic memory to remember a few K of random characters...
22:19<jazzybee>nDuff: Oh ..ok. I don't know how this key thing works. Will have to research GPG first to figure it out
22:20*tjfontaine watches jazzybee fall down the rabbit hole with Alice and Bob
22:21<HoopyCat>oohhh, if only i could be the Eve when Alice, Bob, and Carol share secrets...
22:24<pwnguin>anyone running an openID identity provider?
22:25<pwnguin>i'd like to stop delegating to LJ but im not sure what all is available
22:25<tonyyarusso>I have more openIDs than I know what to do with - LiveJournal, Google, Yahoo, Launchpad, maybe more.
22:26<pwnguin>i just use
22:26<pwnguin>and delegate
22:26*nDuff grumbles about providers who aren't willing to act as RPs
22:27*nDuff uses his personal domain, and delegates to VeriSign (using a physical auth token for dual-factor login, cheap thanks to PayPal giving them out for $5)
22:28<pwnguin>well, my day job is identity management
22:28<pwnguin>so id like to know how to do stuff before the CIO says we need to
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22:30<pwnguin>but... id rather not load up my linode with jee crap
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22:31<pwnguin>guess i found a decent source of leads
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22:33*nDuff strongly recommends janrain's toolchain
22:33<pwnguin>im hoping for something more turnkey
22:33<pwnguin>just tie into ldap, set up a virtual host, and wash hand
22:34<nDuff>...well, IIRC, Janrain has a commercial product that does just that
22:34<pwnguin>oh, and free of course. preferably OSS ;)
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22:36*nDuff hopes for a pony
22:37<nDuff>(free, of course, with a self-brushing cotton-candy mane)
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22:48<skegeek>Are there by chance any sort of online tests or quizes freely available to score the skills used for linux/server/web administration?
22:48<pwnguin>im sure there are, but for what purpose would you use them?
22:49<@heckman>Pick his next girlfriend, what else?
22:49<praetorian>heckman is available.
22:50<chesty>freelance bidding sites have them
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22:50<pwnguin>but they're generally only trusted by people who use the site
22:51-!-mode/#linode [-o pparadis] by pparadis
22:51<skegeek>I'd just like to know how my knowedge rates.
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22:54<pwnguin>features a quiz
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23:20<pwnguin>perhaps i'll just fork the janrain example servers
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23:21<Cypher100>Oh boy
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23:22<John2>hi all
23:23<John2>am running debian lenny on my node and planning to install a vnc server ... any recommendations or instructions
23:24<John2>would like to hear from anyone already doing something similar
23:24<John2>also is there support for secure connections
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23:27<HoopyCat>i think there's a recent thread in the forums on the topic
23:28<John2>hoopycat, thank you ... you have the link handy?
23:28<HoopyCat>John2: :-) it was last posted to yesterday, i think
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23:45<davidwhite>Hey folks...I just added a new Linode to my account, and instead of going with the default mounting options, I wanted to create a separate partition for /mnt and /var (and put the rest on the 3rd partition). I created the 3 different disk drives, and labeled /mnt and /var accordingly, and booted the box for the first time. However, it seems that the 2 additional partitions weren't mounted to begin with. So... how should I go about p
23:45<@jed>edit your config profile
23:46<@jed>see Configuration Profiles? click the one you're booting, then it'll give you the 8 disks you can mount, and you can plug-n-play images to device nodes
23:46<@jed>reboot the profile, adjust fstab, mount -a, voila
23:47<davidwhite>That's what I thought I did
23:47<@jed>/proc/partitions will tell you exactly what your kernel sees
23:47<davidwhite>I set /dev/xvda to 1, /dev/xvdb to var, and /dev/xvdc to mnt
23:48<davidwhite>Yup... they're there. So I guess I just need to edit the CentOS config to mount /var to one, and /mnt to another
23:50<John2>i can't seem to install gnome on debian lenny ... running command apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment
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23:51<davidwhite>So that was sort of what I was getting at... I'm googling around - do you happen to know which config file this would be in?
23:51<@jed>standard distro thing not specific to CentOS, in fact
23:52<John2>and i get The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome-desktop-environment: Depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.22.2~5) but it is not going to be installed etc.....
23:52<davidwhite>Ah, wonderful. Thanks - good to know
23:52<John2>so do i need to install each of the prerequisites one by one
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