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---Logopened Thu Jul 07 00:00:50 2011
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00:08<zap>is it advisable to have a GUI vsion of Ubuntu installed on the linode ?
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00:09<tjfontaine>most of us advise against it
00:09<akerl>It's a waste of resources.
00:09<Guest1238>I don't a high traffic site as such..
00:10<Guest1238>or Webmin ?
00:10<akerl>Guest1238: So? I don't drive a camaro, but that doesn't mean I pour dirt in my gas tank
00:10<Guest1238>Okay,i get it :)
00:10<bob2>how would webmin help
00:10<akerl>Meh @ gui admin tools. Command line is where it's at.
00:10<akerl>Basically, as far as gui tools go, if you're the one in charge of the server, you need to know the underlying system for when things go wrong
00:11<Guest1238>Thanks for the tip :)
00:11<akerl>gui admin tools aren't evil, but you shouldn't use them to replace understanding how the system works
00:11<Guest1238>I am going back to CLI :)
00:11<Guest1238>Thanks :)
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00:18<sam350>speakin of gui admins.. is it webmin or virtualmin
00:19<sam350>Ive seen those 2 used interchangebly..
00:19<dcraig>virtualmin is a webmin module omg
00:20<sam350>got it.. I wouldnt know Ive never used em.. thanx
00:20*dcraig clicks the "tickle sam" button in cpanel
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00:21<sam350>he haw
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00:22<sam350>been coding and admining fb apps all day.. anyone do any of that?
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00:24<sam350>are you hard core sysadmin or have/do you develop too
00:25<dcraig>I'm a hobbyist sysadmin
00:26<+linbot>urmom is a hobbyist ... or was that exhibitionist...?
00:26*dcraig hugs linbot
00:26<+linbot>dcraig: Point (0.08314011, 0.16419607) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 98980 of 125697 (π ≈ 3.149796733414481 - 0.008204079824688). http://π
00:26<sam350>linbot is trained well
00:27<+linbot>destroy all humans
00:27<dcraig>I can't visit the pi page because I'm travelling and do not have ipv6 :(
00:28<retro|blah>ssh socks proxy :p
00:28*linbot goes to mardi gras with dcraig's mom
00:28<dcraig>mom just retired
00:28<dcraig>she's looking for stuff to do
00:30<@heckman>oh my:
00:30<sam350>thats beautiful heckman
00:30<efudd>g+ apparently opened up invites for a small period of time tonight.. may still be open if someone wants to toss me one :)
00:30<@heckman>What's your e-mail?
00:30<sam350>wonder if anyone has a nintendo version
00:30<dcraig>I don't even know how to invite people
00:31<@heckman>You just share something with them
00:31<dcraig>ugh, like what? :p
00:31<@heckman>Also, there's an invite link on the right side
00:31<@heckman>efudd: sent!
00:31<dcraig>I don't see an invite link on the right
00:31<efudd>ok. went through; apparently closed at the moment. but will keep watching. thank you.
00:31<dcraig>maybe I'm not good enough to invite people
00:32<dcraig>but I'm in, so that's all that matters :P
00:32<opello>heckman: wow now that's awesome
00:32<efudd>they opened it then shut it back down or something
00:32<bsstephan>just throwing this out there: zone of the enders was great
00:32-!-bsstephan is now known as bss
00:32*efudd behind on enders' books
00:33<bss>not the same thing :)
00:33<dcraig>when will linode be launching a social network that exists... in the cloud?!?
00:33<efudd>linode _is_ the cloud.
00:33<dcraig>of course
00:33<efudd>and as soon as caker starts buying NTAP gear, I'll give him +1.
00:33<dcraig>but all we have is that forum and wiki
00:33<@heckman>Cloudy with a chance of awesome!
00:33<dcraig>not much of a social network...
00:34<efudd>you are here talking iwth others, no? :)
00:34<@heckman>efudd: yw -- I had the link on my page saying it was open. And it said it worked. Weird stuff.
00:34<dcraig>I guess, but this place feels more like an antisocial network
00:34<efudd>I think it queues them or somesuch.
00:34<efudd>dcraig, duh. geeks.
00:35<efudd>Existing invites will still work (up to our internal limits). Also if you sign in with an account we know has an eligible invite, we will also let you in as if you clicked the link in the email.
00:35<efudd>i'll keep trying it.
00:36<tjfontaine>holy hell efudd is awake
00:36<efudd>hush. am not.
00:36*efudd hides
00:36<@heckman>I'd be interested in seeing how many unique sign-ups G+ is getting daily.
00:36<dcraig>when you're ready to receive google+, google+ will be made available to you
00:37<efudd>and on that note, really AFK; off to watch the rest of "unknown"
00:44<@jed>spoiler: qui-gon dies at the end of unknown
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00:45<sam350>fyi, you can have google+ for about a buck if you have an ebay account.. I bought google voice invites the same way- no problems..
00:47*ajmitch can't really think of a reason to buy invites
00:47<sam350>well, may not be as 'special'
00:47<sam350>i can think of a reason- can't get access?
00:47<ajmitch>I didn't think they they'd reenabled invites yet anyway
00:47<ajmitch>paying for an invite to a free service? no thanks
00:48<sam350>maybe they wont work.. its a little more in demand than google voice was but.. only a buck
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00:49<ajmitch>preying on the gullible & desperate :)
00:49<encode>i think i'm doing something wrong with google+ invites. I'm yet to successfully invite anyone
00:50*ajmitch invited 1 person before they closed it down
00:50<bss>i invited a bunch of people over the period that there was the invite hole they forgot to plug
00:51<bss>talk is now that they're throttling invites from accounts and preferring those that only invite small sets of people
00:51<@heckman>I would imagine this is simply a rumor.
00:53<@heckman>But I can understand why they are doing it. Allows them to make sure their infrastructure is up to task. I would imagine calculating the load your system(s) and sofware would be under for such an endevaour is nearly impossible to pre-calculate.
00:53<Kyhwana>er, I think they've renabled it for everyone now
00:53<Kyhwana>you just need a non-apps google account
00:53<encode>clearly they should just use amazon cloud. it solves all problems
00:53<pharaun>i attempted to invite 2 people, they never got it
00:53<pharaun>and i never invited or sneak in anyone :\
00:53<bss>i can't find the post now that i'm on my netbook, but i think it was from a googler in engineering, but it was unclear whether or not it was a "please don't carpet bomb your contacts" or "the system will hate you if you carpet bomb your contacts"
00:54<pharaun>probably something like that
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00:54<@heckman>I've invited maybe 5 people in the last week. But that's because I've missed most of the windows to do it.
00:55<encode>the people i invite see "Google+ is in limited Field Trial" when they log in after clicking the link that my sharing sends them
00:56<bss>and yeah, i've also heard that right now it's open if you have an existing account, but haven't been able to confirm
00:56<pharaun>i got in that way
00:56<pharaun>i made an account and made a "limited" profile then i signed right on up and got in
00:56<pharaun>then i tried to invite 2 people they never got the email, go figure
00:57<poutine>what a coincidence, I had a labored bowel movement this week that ended up watery
00:57<poutine>oops, didn't realize where I was
00:57<bss>probably throttling or something. i sent four invites this evening to people i didn't manage to sneak in the back last week, and i don't think any of them have gotten the email yet
00:58<pharaun>yeah i'm figuring that
00:58<+linbot>New news from forums: Postfix aliases in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
00:58<pharaun>and ahh linode, where you can find out about people's bowl movement
00:58<pharaun>bowel :|
00:59*encode moves heckman's bowl to the front lawn
00:59<+linbot>get off my lawn!
00:59*heckman gives linbot some Tapioca.
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01:00<+linbot>thanks, pharaun!
01:01<pharaun>polly linbot wants a cracker :p
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01:04<+linbot>heckman: Yo mommas so cheap, she sublets a 360! (740:8/3) [omumr]
01:05<+linbot>heckman: Yo mommas so slow, she still hasnt finished FreedroidRPG! (747:3/3) [mmuor]
01:08<dcraig>I had already been putting my friends in circles way before google+ came out
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01:21<harrumph>changed sshd to listen at port 2222. restarted. but ssh -p 2222 no worky
01:21<akerl>heckman: Why did you change your ssh port?
01:21<akerl>harrumph: ^^
01:21<dcraig>because they'll never guess it's on 2222
01:21<harrumph>akerl: exactly. they'd ever think of that
01:22<@heckman>I actually changed it on one of my Linodes as I just use it for testing. It cuts down on the number of brute force attempts.
01:22*encode port scans for port 2222
01:22<akerl>harrumph: I hope you're joking...
01:22<harrumph>akerl keep hope alive
01:22<akerl>As for the troubleshooting, did you actually uncomment the Port line in sshd?
01:23<harrumph>sure did
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01:23<akerl>Does `netstat -an | grep LIST` show your sshd listening?
01:23<zap>I jsut set up my LAMP on my box,I need a guide to help me test if everything is working fine ..
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01:23<chesty>netstat -nlp
01:24<akerl>zap: Is it working?
01:24<Guest1242>checking it
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01:25<Guest1242>I have some table here,How do I know if it is the right one ? :(
01:25<akerl>? What table?
01:25<Guest1242>local address foreign address and stuff
01:26<Guest1242>"Active Internet Connections"
01:26<Guest1242>is there some way I can create a test php file and acess it using my browser ?
01:27<akerl>Or you could just try to load your site...
01:27<dcraig>are you following one of the linode LAMP guides?
01:28<dcraig>maybe put a .php file in the DocumentRoot for one of your virtual hosts and try to access it
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01:28<Guest1242>Sorry,but I have got no clue how to do it :\
01:29<akerl>Guest1242: What kind of site are you trying to run?
01:29<Guest1242>I am trying to port my wordpress blogs from different servers to a linode
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01:29<akerl>So why not install wordpress and see if it works...
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01:29<Guest1242>How would i go abt it ?
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01:30<@heckman>!library wordpress
01:30<+linbot>heckman: 1. Manage Web Content with WordPress - | 2. Standalone MySQL Server - | 3. Manage Web Content with Joomla! -
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01:30<Guest1242>okay thanks
01:30<Guest1242>So how would I restore a backup to it ?
01:31<harrumph>akerl: yes: tcp6 0 0 :::2222 :::* LISTEN
01:31<dcraig>knock yourself out :p
01:31<akerl>harrumph: What's your public IP?
01:31<Guest1242>This community is really helpful for newbiews :)
01:31<Guest1242>Wil lget back to work :)
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01:32<@heckman>harrumph: what's your v6 address?
01:32<dcraig>maybe sshd isn't listening on ipv4
01:32<@heckman>or v6/v4 and I'll see if I can poke them
01:32<dcraig>if that's the only thing listed
01:33<dcraig>hey, that's even more obscure!
01:33<akerl>Yea, that's my guess, but he'd have to have done something funky to networking or sshd to make it v6 only
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01:33<+linbot>He has no salt in his soul.
01:35<harrumph>innet 6 addr: fe80::fcfd:4aff:fecf:e24d/64
01:35<dcraig>not that one !
01:35<akerl>fe80 isn't your public IP
01:36<akerl>That said, unless you have v6 at home, you need sshd to be listening on your v4 address, so we need that also
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01:37<harrumph>here's ifconfig
01:37<dcraig>you don't quite have ipv6 set up
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01:38<harrumph>ive never touched ipv6, was surpised to see ssh relating to it in netstat
01:38<akerl>Then lets stick to v4 for now
01:38<harrumph>i did 2 things
01:39<dcraig>what's your sshd_config file look like?
01:39<harrumph>i created a group for sshlogin, then edited sshd_conf to allowgroup sshlogin and port 2222. then restarted. three things.
01:40<akerl>harrumph: Pastebin that sshd_config
01:40<dcraig>maybe you have ListenAddress :: insetad of ListenAddress
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01:41<@heckman>Uncomment #ListenAddress and replace with your v4 address.
01:42<dcraig>it can't just listen on
01:42<chesty>:: by default includes v4. my guess is a firewall
01:42<akerl>That said, you have a bunch of weird ports open on your IP, for somebody who's running a basic install
01:42<dcraig>are you sure that :: includes ipv4?
01:42<akerl>harrumph: What else have you done?
01:42<@heckman>dcraig: it could, but I'm trying to be explicit here
01:42<chesty>"by default" it does dcraig
01:42<chesty>there's a proc setting for it
01:43<akerl>harrumph: Are you running ftp?
01:43<harrumph>akerl: yes
01:43<+linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
01:43<akerl>And smtp probably ought be bound to the localhost
01:43<akerl>And you also have 5901 and 10000 open. Why?
01:44<harrumph>icecast and webmin
01:44<chesty>cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only dcraig
01:44<akerl>harrumph: Step 1: uninstall webmin and your ftpd
01:45<akerl>Step 2: Lock down smtp to your localhost.
01:45<akerl>Which, I suppose, is proceeded by Step 0: Restart your sshd with heckman's suggested fix, and get ssh functional
01:46<harrumph>cool, thanks
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01:49<harrumph>uncomment both listenaddress lines?
01:49<akerl>harrumph: You want one ListenAddress YOUR_IPV4_ADDRESS line, however you choose to get it
01:50<harrumph>no, i know. ucommeting (and adding the ipv4 addr) didn't work, nor did uncommenting the other line containing :: as well
01:50<harrumph>with restartinng
01:51<@jed>you can add more than one ListenAddress
01:51<akerl>Are you sure you're editting the sshd on your server?
01:51<@jed>ListenAddress $1\nListenAddress $2
01:51<harrumph>akerl: yep
01:52<akerl>Pastebin your sshd_config as it is right now, with the `cat` line at the top (include the prompt)
01:55<harrumph>akerl: ok
01:56<akerl>harrumph: What's the output of `uname -r`?
01:56<chesty>i know what the problem is
01:57<akerl>Switch your kernel to Latest Paravirt, reboot, profit
01:57<harrumph>oh yeah?
01:57<chesty>but why?
01:57<akerl>Why profit? Why not.
01:57<chesty>why switch smarty
01:58<akerl>Because he's running new ubuntu, at it doesn't like old kernel?
01:58<chesty>not specific enough
01:58<harrumph>i was having crashes a few moths ago, ws guided to this kernel by a linode staffer
01:58<@heckman>harrumph: which version of Ubuntu are you running?
01:59<akerl>chesty: No idea :p I have been running paravirt since forever. Care to enlighten?
01:59<harrumph>8.04 LTS
01:59<akerl>Why are you running 8.04?
01:59<@heckman>akerl: Because it was an LTS once upon a time.
01:59<@heckman>Well, still is.
02:00<akerl>It's support is over though, isn't it?
02:00<harrumph>5 years i thought
02:00<akerl>Ugh. My math at 2am is weak
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02:01<chesty>akerl: my original thought is that 2.8.16 doesn't do ipv6 contrack, but I'm not sure that would affect ipv4. so, idk
02:02<@heckman>On a semi-related note. I think I found my new pastebin of choice.
02:02<chesty>be back in a soon?
02:03<chesty>what's wrong with !p?
02:03<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
02:03<@heckman>chesty: The line wrapping screws with my head on the Linode pastebin one.
02:04<akerl>heckman: Is that one open source?
02:04<marius>All those "secure" pastebins appear to have huge security flaws
02:04<@heckman>I don't believe so. Although, I'd definitely be really interested if it was.
02:04<akerl>Meh. If it *really* needs to be secure, it doesn't belong in a pastebin
02:04<marius> had this nice one where it didn't sanitize at all and you could make it issue sql statementsin the paste
02:07<harrumph>so. kernel, eh?
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02:08<chesty>harrumph: mind you, your latest pastebin you were listening on port 22
02:08<harrumph>chesty: i know, i had to be
02:08<@heckman>harrumph: What happens when you have it bind to your v4 address?
02:08<harrumph>couldn't prove to akerl otherwise that i was catting the file :)
02:08<chesty>harrumph: iptables -nvL
02:10<harrumph>iptables -nvl:
02:10<chesty>harrumph: iptables -nvL
02:10<harrumph>heckman: same thing
02:11<chesty>harrumph: you're blocking port 2222
02:12<harrumph>i temporarily blocked it by commenting it so as to fulfill akerls instructions
02:12<chesty>iptables is blocking port 2222
02:12<chesty>nothing to do with sshd_config
02:12<chesty>and 15:42 < chesty> :: by default includes v4. my guess is a firewall
02:12<harrumph>iptables -nvL
02:13<harrumph>chesty: thanks!
02:13<chesty>harrumph: do you know how to fix it?
02:14<harrumph>sure do
02:14<harrumph>very grateful
02:14<chesty>harrumph: btw, 2222 isn't any better than 22
02:14<@jed>worse, actually
02:15<akerl>chesty: Not for security, but for log spam. Though I'd recommend a sub 1024 port
02:15<harrumph>what do you guys recommend?
02:15<chesty>2222 is commonly scanned
02:15<@jed>and it's > 1023
02:15<akerl>dcraig: :p
02:16<harrumph>i don't think the logic is about what gets scanned as much as its what a lame script might miss
02:16<@heckman>TCP Port 4 appears to be unassigned. :p
02:16<akerl>harrumph: what do you think is scanning?
02:16<dcraig>you should use a random number generator
02:16<@jed>the clever scripts nmap first
02:16<harrumph>akerl: kiddies
02:17<akerl>harrumph: Whether it's a script or a person scanning, the scanning occurs
02:17<harrumph>so your point is that the default port is equivalent to any other?
02:18<akerl>Also, I'd recommend using strong passwords or keys, to help decrease the chance of being compromised.
02:18<akerl>Security-wise, yes. That said, I run my ssh on 20
02:19<harrumph>keys is next up. i shut off root from remote, im putting in fail2ban, i shut off default users from remote
02:19<harrumph>and i beefed up all pws
02:19<harrumph>16 chars min
02:19<chesty>harrumph: pick something big that doesn't have 22 in it. yes, an ordinary user can bind to that port, but no, they can't read your private ssh keys so you're pretty safe
02:20<akerl>Again, I'd recommend a sub-1023 (thanks jed) port
02:20<harrumph>20 sounds good
02:20<dcraig>wow you've got that thing locked up pretty tight
02:20<akerl>harrumph: Do you use passphrases on your keys?
02:21<harrumph>dcraig: this being irc, i can only assume you're fucking with me :)
02:21<harrumph>akerl: not yet
02:21<dcraig>I'm not
02:21*navi raises an eyebrow
02:21*navi puts it back down again
02:23*akerl reminds harrumph about his ftp server and public smtp
02:23<dcraig>I feel if my machine is ever compromised, it'll be via some php script
02:23<dcraig>not because they brute forced my login password
02:23<harrumph>dcraig: im pretty sure i got bruteforced today
02:24<dcraig>an unknown person has logged in to your server?
02:24<akerl>dcraig: That's why we're doing this whole dance. He had to rebuild the server after being pwned
02:24<harrumph>as soon as the only root login from remote in like, ever, happened, they immediately fired up a password cracker and started attackiing
02:25<chesty>I'm sure fail2ban has been mentioned
02:25<KyleXY>Lesson learned: Always use keys and never use passwords :p
02:25<harrumph>i totally thought fail2ban was working
02:25<harrumph>it wasnt
02:25<KyleXY>derp, lol
02:26<chesty>that slows down brute forace attempts so it would take a resonable password millions of years to crack
02:26<harrumph>im lucky they were so crude
02:26<dcraig>so the root account had a password?
02:26<harrumph> dacing around on top of top, impossible to miss
02:27<KyleXY>dcraig: I'm amazed he left root logins enabled :/
02:27<dcraig>I see
02:27<KyleXY>If that was the case, gah on him :(
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02:28<harrumph>germany, btw
02:28<harrumph>was disappointed, would have bet the farm on china
02:28<dcraig>I'm sure it was a chinese person using a compromised machine in germany
02:29<dcraig>you can rest easy :p
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02:54<@heckman> "<odd>.x.x: Linus went crazy, broke absolutely _everything_, and rewrote the kernel to be a microkernel using a special message-passing version of Visual Basic. (timeframe: "we expect that he will be released from the mental institution in a deca
02:54<@heckman>de or two")."
02:55<Boss>leenodah eh
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02:58*navi is poring through documentation on Xcode
02:58<navi>Dull stuff.
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03:03<@heckman>navi: I know the feeling. I spent the weekend relearning Java. Most concepts are like a bike, there are some things that I had to sit and scratch my head with.
03:04<navi>heckman: I'm looking for a UI element to do a job and really not finding much
03:04<navi>heckman: I *think* I've located one now though
03:04<@heckman>Ugh, I hate digging for stuff like that.
03:05<navi>I want to make a grid of independently changable elements
03:05<navi>Not like a table view though, I don't want sorting and I want multiline and the like
03:05<navi>I've stopped on something called "NSCollectionView" and it seems to be about what I want
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03:11<navi>Man, for a minor release with a bumped version number, Linux 3 seems to be getting a lot of RCs
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03:11<@heckman>navi: I had a case a few years back when I was doing Java in high school. I wrote some overly complex method to accomplish something (been awhile and I forget what it was). I turned the project in to the instructor and I got it graded back with extra credit.
03:12<@heckman>navi: I went to ask him about it and he was like. Well, you wrote this function when you could have just used part of the API. So I gave you credit for the extra effort.
03:12<navi>I would have been docked marks for not using the appropriate functions
03:12<@heckman>navi: So, I pretty much got extra points for being a dumb and not being able to find the call I wanted.
03:12<navi>I got extra marks in one of my coursework pieces because the things I was required to do was wrong
03:13<@heckman>navi: He figured I did it to show my understanding of the concept. I jokingly told him I pretty much got extra points for failing in (as I believe I worded it) "an extravagant way"
03:13<navi>They missed a comma in the task description, so I did something much more complex
03:14<@heckman>Hahaha. Once I get my desktop back up and running I'm going to see if I can locate that project. Probably not as it's been 3-5 years.
03:14<navi>Well, it was a case of me having to produce SQL queries to do something, but the task said to query "this and that" but should have said "this, and that"
03:14<chesty>heckman: you've only been out of high school for 3 years?
03:14<navi>So about 4 JOINs later...
03:14<@heckman>chesty: a few years, yes.
03:15<@heckman>I'm only 21.
03:15<navi>I'm younger than you~!
03:15<chesty>heckman: disgusting
03:15<navi>I'm... 18.25
03:16<purrdeta>that .25 is super important :P
03:16<navi>That's the OCD kicking in, there.
03:16<chesty>on my nephews birthday, I asked him how old he was yesterday, he said 5 and a half, today? 6, tomorrow? 6
03:16<navi>I have mild OCBD
03:16<purrdeta>Its allowed :)
03:16<navi>(the B is important)
03:19<navi>Or OCPD
03:19<navi>Actually, reading the description again, it's not just a little bit of OCPD, it's complete and utter OCPD
03:20<chesty>OCPD occupational diarrehea
03:20<chesty>ek, that's not spelled very well
03:21<navi>Both. Mine's better though.
03:21<navi>Worth more points in scrabble, I think.
03:22<chesty>au spell it diarrhoea
03:23<navi>Anyway, as I was saying... I like having OCPD. It doesn't affect my live that much, makes me unique, and mixed with my madness helps me meet some very interesting people.
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03:23<navi>I'm not actually mad, I just like being silly most of the time.
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03:26<navi>I'm also an amateur psychologist. When someone bet me I couldn't make a video that got over 1m YouTube Views, I gladly made one that played on some phychological traits I thought would affect people browsing youtube, and succeeded very quickly.
03:27<chesty>url or it didn't happen
03:27<navi>chesty: I removed it after, because I didn't want my name associated with it any more
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03:27<navi>I put up another one, which failed
03:28<navi>Only 500k views now
03:28<harrumph>"people browsing youtube" is a massive set. what traits did you aim for?
03:28<chesty>very convenient navi
03:28<navi>Well, since people on youtube want to laugh at failures, and like seeing TV personalities get things wrong, it was a set of blooper reels of things
03:28<purrdeta>I think when people ask me what I do, I will say I am an amatuer cat.
03:29<navi>Hoopy is the professional cat?
03:29<harrumph>good targeting
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03:54*navi is listening to Daft Punk
03:56<@heckman>I like that idea. Too bad I never imported Discovery in to iTunes. Otherwise I'd have it on Google Music
03:58<navi>I'm listening to the Tron Legacy Soundtrack
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03:58<@heckman>navi: Now that I do have
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03:59<@heckman>Sadly Google Music can't organize by track number. Ugh.
03:59<navi>That's, um, stupid
03:59<@heckman>Oh wait, yes it can but in a round-about-way.
03:59<@heckman>I need to sort the list by album. It then sorts the list by track number
03:59<navi>don't tell me, for a 2 disc set it puts 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3
04:00<@heckman>No track numbers are visible.
04:00<@heckman>I may need to find one of my two-disc albums to find out
04:02<@heckman>navi: I guess I'm now going to watch TRON: Legacy when I get home. :P
04:02<@heckman>Well, correction. I'm going to WANT to.
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04:05<navi>My friend just came in and said "What's that racket that sounds like a broken printer?"
04:07<craven>website went down again last nite : getting this error in apache [/var/www/ /var/www/ <FilesMatch> was not closed.]
04:08<navi>craven: Is it closed?
04:09<craven>I'm not sure what that means - is it talking about some of the actual code in in .htaccess?
04:09<navi>From what I can tell, it means it's expecting and not finding a </FilesMatch>
04:10<craven>Ah, found it - working again
04:11<craven>I went home at 5PM last night (website was working) and the .htaccess managed to commit suicide somehow, weird
04:11<craven>thx navi
04:11<@heckman>navi: I must say their work on TRON: Legacy had be very impressed. Mind you I was a tad disappointed as I expected more of a daft punkish sound. But after listening to the whole OST, it's amazing.
04:11<navi>s/be/me/ ?
04:12<synapt>What do you mean 'more of'?
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04:12<synapt>The entire soundtrack practically WAS daft punk
04:12<@heckman>I mean less score-y.
04:12*navi shoots
04:12<synapt>well it was a movie after all
04:12*navi scores
04:13<synapt>the main tracks were at least decent, and you can be sure will make it into their next tour easily
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04:27<@heckman>Sweet, derezzed
04:27<navi>That's the one he said sounded like the broken printer XD
04:27<@heckman>I kinda wish I could get my hands on the limited edition copy.
04:27<navi>Deluxe Ed.?
04:27<@heckman>I wanted that third track from the club. :<
04:28<@heckman>navi: Ya
04:28<navi>I have deluxe ed.
04:28<navi>I've got all the way to the end titles listening to it sequentially now
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04:29<@heckman>Son Of Flynn an Fall are two of my favorites. I was wishing they would have done more with "Son Of Flynn", the melody had tons of potential.
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05:40<agentbleubleu>so resorting a linode is simple right, just restore to previous day?
05:44<@heckman>agentbleubleu: I think it's simple. But it's a matter of perspective, I suppose.
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05:44<@heckman>agentbleubleu: The one trick is you need to have enough unallocated space to handle the restored disk images.
05:45<agentbleubleu>ok fingers crossed
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06:11<Guest1268>how can i check size of particular directery in ubunt from command line?
06:11<+linbot>New news from forums: dhcp'd nameservers not resolving remote domain in Linux Networking <>
06:12<@ericoc>du -hs /dir/name should probably do it
06:12<Guest1268>not sure?
06:13<@heckman>Guest1268: Try to do it?
06:13<navi>ericoc: Looks accurate to me
06:14<Guest1268>heckman : no let me check it
06:15<navi>heckman: I hope you're not implying the above is similar
06:15<navi>heckman: Because I did it
06:15<@heckman>navi: You did what?
06:15<navi>heckman: it.
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06:15<@heckman>ez -es ?
06:16<navi>Ab, revpbp'f. V qvqa'g xabj jung qh jnf, gubhtu
06:16<Guest1268>ok it gives result
06:17<@heckman>Nu, lrf qh -fu vf vg. "abg fher?" ununun
06:17<Guest1268>thanks ericoc
06:17<navi>V'ir bayl rire nppvqragnyyl nobhg unys n qverpgbel.
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06:19<navi>Vf PragBF npghnyyl bhg abj?
06:20<@heckman>Last I heard they were syncing to the internal mirrors to do some final checking, and then the external mirrors would get it
06:20<@heckman>I imagine, if all goes well, by Monday.
06:20<Guest1268>if i want to check size of all the directories then?
06:20<@heckman>Guest1268: of your entire filesystem?
06:20<@ericoc>df -h
06:20<@heckman>revpbp vf n obg
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06:21<Guest1268>actually i want to check which directory ocucpies more size
06:21<@ericoc>dropping the s from du will give way more information too: du -h /dir/name
06:21<navi>The CentOS Group calendar says the sync to external mirrors happened on Tuesday. So somebody's definitely lying.
06:21<@heckman>Guest1268: Then check them both and look at the output. I'm not sure of an automated way to list the size of all dirs and sub dirs.
06:22<Guest1268>thats fine if sub direc not included
06:22<mx-r>can someone help me with a fairly basic question? i would like to host a website amongst other things on my website and have a domain with godaddy. is it correct that there are two options to configure my domain?
06:23<mx-r>1) point to linode nameservers and set dns records from there
06:23<mx-r>2) leave godaddy nameservers and just edit dns records (point A record to my linode ip?)
06:23<@heckman>mx-r: sounds right
06:23<navi>GoDaddy has nameservers?
06:23<navi>When I tried to find them I couldn't, but that was many years ago
06:24<mx-r>navi: yes
06:24<mx-r>thnx heckman
06:24<navi>THere's really no reason not to swap it to linode, and you get a nice clean and easy way to then set up DNS at linode.
06:24<rurufufuss>what is the easiest way to get my linode server to send a mail, to myself periodically?
06:24<mx-r>i started by changing the nameservers, so i will go with option 1
06:24<navi>I'd hazard a guess that the GoDaddy pages are a bit full of junk
06:24<@heckman>I prefer using the Linode DNS Manager.
06:25<rurufufuss>last time I tried setting up smtp, never got anywhere
06:25<@heckman>GoDaddy's interface is cluttered and annoying.
06:25<@heckman>rurufufuss: You'd want a MTA like exim4.
06:25<@heckman>There's stuff in the Linode Library about it, one sec
06:25<navi>!library exim
06:25<+linbot>navi: 1. Exim Guides - | 2. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 3. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
06:25*heckman rages
06:25*navi wins
06:25<rurufufuss>so I'm assuming after setting these up, I can do commands such as "sendmail blah blah"?
06:26*ericoc giggles
06:26*navi hides from the cactus
06:26*heckman slaps navi around a bit with a large cactus
06:26<navi>It's not very effective...
06:26*navi used Quick Attack!
06:27*heckman evolves in to Blastoise and jacks your week up
06:27<mx-r>and now when my domain nameserver will be changed to linode then i can leave the dns zone records at godaddy as they are since they will not work anyways, right, because linode will now be managing the zones?
06:27<navi>mx-r: Yes.
06:27<mx-r>thanks guys!
06:28*heckman still has the TRON: Legacy OST on repeat
06:28<mx-r>just one more thing - the linode's ip will not change, even if it's dhcp? it's kind of static dhcp, right?
06:28<mx-r>i can use that ip for my domain and be sure it will not be chaning
06:28<mx-r>ok, that's good news
06:28<navi>Correct, you're assigned an IP.
06:28<navi>I would start talking about pokemon now but I only know Japanese names for most of them
06:29<rurufufuss>at least pikachu's the same with either language
06:29<mx-r>quite some work ahead. i decided to host some webpages on the linode, but use google apps for mail
06:30<navi>That's what a lot of us do
06:30<mx-r>so i guess it is just setting the proper records once my domains are pointing to linodes nameservers
06:31<navi>Yon't have to wait, you could start setting them up now
06:31<navi>*You don't
06:33<mx-r>wow... my nameservers have already been changed...
06:33<mx-r>was like 15 mins :)
06:33<@heckman>It's usually pretty quick.
06:34<@heckman>This is kind of an offtopic question. Does anyone know the technical term for the aircraft toggle switches that only have one solid position. Like, when you let go of the switch it springs back to the off position?
06:35<navi>The 'screw you, I'm staying here' switch?
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06:35<navi>It's called a momentary
06:35<Louis6321>heckman, I know exactly what you mean but IDK name :(
06:35<navi>I think.
06:36<@heckman>No no. For something that's supposed to only send a signal for a second and then switch back to off. I'm thinking of rigging an airplane toggle switch to an ardruino board to send WOL packets to equipment on my network.
06:36<@heckman>So I'd just flick it once to on, and it'll kick back.
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06:36<Louis6321>heckman, you could get a normal switch and quickly flick it on/off? :P
06:37<craven>Anyone help, my site is taking something out of the .htaccess file by itself causing a Internal Server Error
06:37<craven>It's done it 3x this morning all ready
06:37<@heckman>Louis6321: Could. But if I am going to be doing it, I want to do it right.
06:37<Louis6321>heckman, ;)
06:37<@heckman>craven: what does ls -la .htaccess show?
06:38<@heckman>I'm already looking at getting these as I like the colored LEDs: (ebay)
06:38<craven>-rwxrwxrwx 1 joomla root 165774 Jul 7 10:06 .htaccess
06:38<@heckman>So looks like Joomla is doing it.
06:38<craven>which is the ftp account I use when I'm installing wordpress plugins
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06:39<@heckman>Actually, I have no idea what is doing it. Your file is full access... -_-
06:39<craven>actually #wordpress might be abel to help
06:39<@heckman>They might. It may be a plugin doing it.
06:40<navi>Or someone's editing the file to screw with you
06:42<craven>jesus my .htaccess is 7000 characters now
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06:43<agentbleubleu>so i have just gone through the restore process from a backup, do i need to restart the linode to activate it?
06:44<@ericoc>you will want to boot from the configuration profile (and disk images) you restored
06:45<agentbleubleu>so is there a need to remove the old versions before rebooting
06:46<agentbleubleu>so just reboot
06:56*heckman is still trying to figure out the technical name for that switch.
06:56<@heckman>I'll need to lurk until HoopyCat shows up. He'll know.
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07:09<marius>what switch
07:11<@heckman>ONe of these:
07:11<@heckman>But when you flip it to the "ON" position, it has a spring that drops it back to off.
07:12<@heckman>I would be using it to simply send an electrical signal to ardruino to send Wake on LAN packets to hardware on my network.
07:13<navi>"Spring return"?
07:13<@heckman>Toggle Switch Momentary
07:13<@heckman>ericoc: <3
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07:13<navi>I SAID momentary
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07:14<@heckman>You didn't
07:14<navi>11:35 < navi> It's called a momentary
07:14<navi>It's now 12:14
07:14<@heckman>You're making up logs.
07:14<navi>You're making up switches
07:14<navi>They don't exist
07:15<navi>When I need light, I stick my finger in the gap in the circuit and the light comes on
07:15<Louis6321>YOU don't exist
07:15<Louis6321>you're a bot
07:15<navi>Got a captcha for me to solve?
07:15<Louis6321>sure, sec
07:15<navi>Not the google audio ones, they're impossible for anyone
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07:17<Louis6321>navi, hmm? cant solve it?
07:17<Louis6321>obvious bot
07:17<navi>My computer has just frozen and crashed and burned
07:18<navi>I haven't yet managed to open the file
07:18<Louis6321>hmm where is mikegrb
07:18<Louis6321>that's better
07:18<navi>Blame Java, it's eaten all the RAM
07:18<navi>(This machine only has 1GB RAM)
07:18<Louis6321>4GB tyvm
07:18<navi>I can't change the RAM, I don't have a spudger
07:19<navi>Mac minis are hard to get into, I gather
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07:19<Louis6321>lol mhm
07:19<navi>And now chrome has crashed over half my tabs, yay
07:20<navi>And now Safari is launching for no particular reason, it seems
07:20<Louis6321>maybe coz u clicked the link I gave u?
07:20<navi>"The following tabs have become unresponsive: New Tab"
07:21<amitz>must be a virus! beat it navi!
07:21<agentbleubleu>OMG Thank the Caker GOD for linode backups :)
07:21<navi>okay, now the URL is loading, crisis averted...
07:21<Louis6321>he beat me
07:22<navi>What is that?
07:22<Louis6321>what is what?
07:22<navi>This image
07:22<Louis6321>a captcha :)
07:22<navi>Is it a serious captcha?
07:22<navi>xjv999, right?
07:22<Louis6321>lol yus
07:27<Louis6321>lmao the German government has released a warning that iOS is vulnerable to malicious PDFs
07:27<Louis6321>that's old news....
07:28<navi>Isn't it vulnerable again?
07:28<Louis6321>yeh it is
07:28<navi>I mean, jailbreakme came back up again
07:28<Louis6321>but it's not really that big of a deal
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07:31<praetorian>lhs indeed
07:32<Deezire>levi501d: Well, the fact that it's now coming from a well respected sender, Apple might even do something about it
07:32<Louis6321>Deezire, they did something about it last time too... this warning won't really achieve much :\
07:32<agentbleubleu>so now i have restored a linode, and its all working from the restored version, can i safely delete the old disk images and swap images
07:33<Deezire>Apple iPhone has so bad track record on security that it's illegal to own at some government parts of norway
07:33<Louis6321>Deezire, Android's track record is worse. :\
07:34<Deezire>In some ways, yes. But with Android you're more free to lock the device down or do your own security audits. That cannot be said with iphone.
07:35<Deezire>Just disallow everyone to install apps, and you're more or less safe.
07:35<Deezire>But then all the fun with smart phones go away :p
07:37<Louis6321>Deezire, or you could just use an iPhone like any average joe would and shouldn't have any problems at all :P
07:37<Louis6321>News announcements like this really do make a fuss out of nothing
07:37<Louis6321>it was like the death grip
07:37<Louis6321>sure... you can make the call drop
07:37<Louis6321>but in terms of daily usage...
07:37<Louis6321>the calls dont drop unless you try
07:38<Louis6321>(to make them drop :P)
07:41<Louis6321>[JPost] Zuckerberg announces launch of Skype video chat on Facebook 2011-07-07T14:39:12
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07:52<mattg>anyone here running gentoo on their linode and upgraded to OpenRC stuff yet?
08:11<pronto>trap! >.> i bet mattg found a zeroday in gentoos openrc, and wants us to say such info about out servers to pwn us D:
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08:17<newbie>pop quiz: what's the time range for moving a Linode 768 from one US data centre to another?
08:18<@heckman>newbie: Depends...
08:18<@heckman>newbie: it *can* take 10-15 minutes per GB.
08:20<newbie>heckman: thank you again for sharing your insights. Hmmm..I have purposely kept the disk images trim and will only resize once Linode is moved - currently using 16384 MB
08:20<@heckman>newbie: it copies the entire disk image (even the space not used)
08:21<@heckman>newbie: you could speed it up by shrinking your disk image, and resizing after it lands
08:23<newbie>heckman: so you suggest looking up what main disk image's current space use it and then shrinking it down to that in the Linode Manager?
08:23<@heckman>Yeah I usually go about 150-250mb above the used space for a cushion
08:23<@heckman>df -h shows you filesystem utilization
08:27<newbie>heckman: in the CLI run "df -h" add 250Mb to the "used" numbers in /dev/xvda & /dev/xvdc (I've got a backup mount). Go to Linode Manager & shut the Linode down then use the figures just calculated as "New Size" under Linode Manager's "Edit Disk Image"?
08:27<@heckman>Sounds about right
08:28<@heckman>Should do what you need, then kick off the migration, then once your Linode migrates to the new DC resize the disk images and boot
08:28<newbie>heckmans: cheers..I must be learning something if that does sound right :)
08:28<newbie>heckman: since migration is dependent on you guys doing it, I'll need to book it ahead of time to ensure it lands in the new data centre by a time I need it to?
08:29<@heckman>newbie: Simply open a support ticket. We prep the migration and it causes a button to appear in the Linode Manager. You start it at your convenience.
08:29<@heckman>However, we do ask that you begin the migration within 24h of it being prepped.
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08:31<newbie>Heckman: how long for you to prep a migration? ie: how long from request until that button appears?
08:32<@heckman>I don't really have a time for that. Whenever one of the support guys grabs the ticket and begins working on it. As other members of the community will attest to, usually a few minutes.
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08:37*Daevien decides, against betetr judgement, to agree with heckman. just just this one time :p
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08:38<@heckman>Thanks Daevien
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08:40<newbie>heckman: nice..ok just a few minutes. So if I have 8.5Gb of disk images and it only takes a few minutes for the migration to be prep'ed then it should take about 128mins from requesting a migration, clicking on the migration button right away when it appears to it landing in the new data centre & ready to go?
08:40<@heckman>That's an estimate, it can be faster.
08:40<@heckman>It really depends on a lot of things.
08:41<brc>Anyone experiencing issues in Dallas ?
08:41<brc>I got huge packet loss and lish won't open
08:41<brc>it just says "Connecting to Lish" .. and hangs
08:42<MrPPS>brc: I am
08:42<newbie>heckman: great..faster is always nicer but if I allow for longer I won't be disappointed eh? If I ask for a migration during the grave-yard shift I suppose it'll take longer than a few min's to prep. it or do you guys pump caffeine through the air conditioning at your support center? :)
08:42<MrPPS>I was just about to come in and ask the same thing :P
08:42<MrPPS>been down for about 11 minutes, I think
08:42<brc>That's it. around 10 to 15 minutes down
08:42<brc>Hope someone is looking at it :(
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08:43<brc>maybe we are at the same node
08:43<MrPPS>perhaps :P
08:43<@heckman>We're aware. It's being looked in to. Should be stabilized shortly. <#
08:43<MrPPS>brc: I'm submitting a ticket now to see if there's any more info available
08:43<brc>and we are back
08:43<brc>Thanks linode for the fasrt solution
08:44<MrPPS>heckman: never mind on that ticket then :P
08:44<brc>mrpss: I had already submited :)
08:44<MrPPS>heckman: thanks for letting us know - much appreciated :)
08:44<MrPPS>brc: yep, I'm 100% back up too :P
08:44*MrPPS now waits for Pingdom's text to tell me so
08:44<+linbot>New news from wiki: Multiple IPs <> || Multiple IPs <>
08:45<brc>Going back to work. Thanks!
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08:48<newbie>heckman: If I ask for a migration during the grave-yard shift I suppose it'll take longer than a few min's to prep. it or do you guys pump caffeine through the air conditioning at your support center? :)
08:48<@heckman>newbie: You'll probably get me.
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08:48<@heckman>newbie: Our response times are on-par with day shift. :)
08:48<newbie>heckman: well..if the response was like when you corrected the Linode Library's all good :)
08:49<Daevien>heckman = robot programmed to be annoying & occasionally do work
08:49<HoopyCat>the overnight shift uses a remodeled Hot Chicks Room, designed to keep ticket-handlers readily available 24x7. <>
08:49<newbie>heckman: them's fighting you're the vampire of the support team? :)
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08:54<+linbot>praetorian: Now 99% full (no time remaining). Last emptied at some point, last full 1 hour ago after running for 16.1 hours.
08:54<praetorian>slack again
08:55<Daevien>./msg praetorian so your hack to linbot to always show 99% worked?
08:56<praetorian>nah, i just payed some guy to go pour water in his bucket
08:56<encode>HoopyCat: when are you going to program linbot to empty the dehumidifier as well?
08:56<praetorian>payed! paid
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08:57<Daevien>encode: i can see the headlines now: NY man dies trying to automate his dehumidifer
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08:57<encode>don't see why it should involve death
08:57<encode>just an acquarium pump and some hosing
08:58<Daevien>because he'll go overboard with it somehow :p
09:00<encode>well obviously twitter will be involved
09:01<encode>so at least we'll be notified of his demise
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09:04<+linbot>HoopyCat: Now 0% full (about 14 hours remaining). Last emptied 9 minutes ago, last full 1 hour ago after running for 16.1 hours.
09:04<Daevien>took you 9 minutes to get up teh stairs? getting old
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09:07<mrBadom>hello, i need an info i need to develop a ecommerce PCI compl. wich service i need to buy on linode?
09:07<HoopyCat>Daevien: it only updates every 5 minutes, and i got distracted by an interesting page on the internet :-)
09:08<mrBadom>i mean wich additional services?
09:08<Daevien>HoopyCat: ah k :p
09:09<HoopyCat>mrBadom: linode themselves do not offer any relevant additional services... generally speaking, handling or storing credit card data should be avoided whenever possible, especially if you don't have direct physical control over the equipment used. (this gets expensive)
09:10<@caker>mrBadom: PCI levels 2-4 are self-assessment, plus a scan by a third party "approved scanning vendor"
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09:11*HoopyCat is somewhat in love with
09:12<mrBadom>i meant is possible to choose the distro, the location and SSL service?
09:12<HoopyCat>mrBadom: yes, yes, and you can use the SSL certificate of your choice
09:13<mrBadom>ah ok that's great
09:13<mrBadom>you are the best i'm going to buy
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09:23*navi chhoses the location. He wants it over there, by the fire escape
09:23*HoopyCat hangs out next to the bar; far enough from the stage that his ears don't ring, yet close enough to make a move on a chair.
09:24<HoopyCat>s/chair/good chair/
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09:24<navi>s/a chair/standing room/
09:24*navi steals the chair
09:24<HoopyCat>newark has chairs enough for all
09:24<navi>Well, I want two chairs
09:25<navi>Moreover, I want YOUR chair. You'll have to go get another one.
09:25<navi>(sudo give me your chair)
09:25<HoopyCat>fmt1 has even more:
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09:26*HoopyCat . o O ( no wonder the damn thing sank; they should have loaded the A380 midship )
09:26<@heckman>Sometimes I kida wish I could take a cruise on the Titanic without visting Davey Jones' locker.
09:27<praetorian>its f7u12
09:27<navi>I wanted to watch the apprentice (UK) on BBC iPlayer
09:28<navi>I typed in "The Apprentice" and the second item on the list is "David chats to fired Apprentice candidate [name] about her time on the programme."
09:28<navi>They just spoiled it for me
09:28<Daevien>yay, passed over for yet another job. this one doign noc stuff, monitoring systems. and a secodn one of that + writing nagios plugins. passed over on harder job by someone i know & showed him some stuff. he has no computer field work experience at all. can i go drown myself in your dehumidifer hoopy?
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09:29<HoopyCat>Daevien: i just emptied it, but i'm about to start the washing machine
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09:29<HoopyCat>navi: haha!
09:30<Daevien>k, that should work i suppose
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09:32*HoopyCat agitates Daevien
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09:33<Nivex>praetorian: that looks more like a chemical formula
09:34*Perihelion throws soda cans at random people
09:34<navi>Nivex: Fluorine and Uranium?
09:35<navi>Sounds like the idea for a new toothpaste... "We use Beta particles to remove plaque from your teeth, giving you a dentist clean feeling, and a dentists xray dose of radiation with every brush!"
09:36<@heckman>Man, I need to find a new computer desk.
09:36<@heckman>Or maybe just a wooden filing cabinet that matches that I can convert...
09:36<@Perihelion>Radiation \o/
09:37<navi>Does O'Reilly REALLY have stock symbol ORLY?
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09:38<@Perihelion>O'Reilly Automotive, Inc. (ORLY)
09:39<@Perihelion>Brb work
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09:42<praetorian>Nivex: mix away!
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09:46<SNy>navi: Also, Paris Orly International Airport.
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09:46<navi>Yeah, but since ticker names are generally in capitals, it matches O RLY better, IMO/
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10:02<Daevien>HoopyCat: i'm already quite agitated, thanks
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10:15<HoopyCat>Perihelion: YA RLY:
10:15<HoopyCat>... wow, that was lacking in technical discipline.
10:15<HoopyCat>Perihelion: YA RLY:
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10:23<elgreco>hi there wise Linode
10:24<elgreco>is the channel empty?
10:25<DrJ>what do you need elgreco
10:25<+linbot>nope - lots of us here
10:25<+linbot>New news from forums: Forum password sent in activation email in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
10:25<HoopyCat>10:25 #linode: Total of 450 nicks ("15 ops, 0 halfops, 1 voices, 434 normal");
10:25<elgreco>i just wanted to ask if there are any job openings to work remote as a Linux system engineer (senior one)
10:25<HoopyCat>there's enough people here that if all of us said "hello!", it'd destroy the internet :-)
10:26<elgreco>or if it is possible to work remote at all
10:26<@jed>elgreco: no, you cannot work remote
10:26<HoopyCat>elgreco: linode posts their job openings at ... generally, folks are on-site
10:26<@caker>elgreco: how long is a piece of string?
10:26<elgreco>jed: thanks
10:26<@jed>HoopyCat: that's part of the qualification, too, is finding /jobs/
10:27<HoopyCat>jed: oh nuts, sorry
10:27<Daevien>how did you get hired then jed? :p
10:27<elgreco>caker: :)
10:28<tjfontaine>Daevien += 1
10:28<chesty>jed got flamed, trolled and beaten on this channel, the next day he was working at linode
10:28<HoopyCat>i thought everyone knew it was there, since it's clearly visible under the RF shielding inside the no-user-servicable-parts-danger-high-voltage cage under the lid of my linode
10:28<tjfontaine>chesty: the trolling of jed is persistent
10:28<@jed>combo breaker
10:29<elgreco>do linode have any job openings in GB? "London" at all...or all the jobs are only in the USA?
10:29<HoopyCat>SpaceHobo: might wanna dry-run that next time
10:29<tjfontaine>I'll have to put SpaceHobo in a special irc user class so he can flood his ascii
10:29<elgreco>jed..thanks..i saw it...but i was wondering if there were any in GB in the past
10:30<+linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Linode vs. TOR and internet privacy in Customer Testimonials <>
10:30<tjfontaine>ok so now I put SpaceHobo in a more restrictive class
10:30<@jed>elgreco: All positions are located in Galloway, NJ (map)
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10:31<chesty>put him in the area man class
10:31<chesty>SpaceHobo is the area man
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10:31<tjfontaine>triangle area man
10:32<elgreco>thanks to all for their kind reply!
10:32<chesty>elgreco: submit your resume, the worse that can happen is you don't get a job
10:33<tjfontaine>or they sick mi5 on you
10:33<HoopyCat>elgreco: the heavy lifting and button-pushing is generally done by employees of the datacenters themselves... it's mostly occasional as-needed physical drudgery that has to be done ASAP, so that works out better than having full-timers sit and rot :-)
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10:36<chesty>SpaceHobo: I think you just brought up the topic I didn't
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10:38<chesty>I said you were the area man, not that you constantly mentioned something. which you brought up AGAIN. who cares, we know, we've heard it 1000 times
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10:39<chesty>your hair do makes me ill
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11:15<Guest1289>I restoed a wordpress blog on my linode,all my themes and plugins have been ported ,but I cant find my content...:\
11:15<Guest1289>and also,How do I create a FTP account ?
11:16<Guest1289>I am trying to update the WP to 3.2,but WP is asking for the FTP permissions
11:17<Guest1289>any one help ?
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11:27<jhong>Hello, any OpenVPN routing experts?
11:27<npmr>i'm sure that's not the question you came here to ask
11:27<tjfontaine>!ask jhong
11:27<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
11:28<nDuff>...seriously, other than iroutes, there's nothing about OpenVPN routing that's different than, well, routing in general.
11:29<Guest1289>I restored my WP blog using FTP ,I got my themes/plugins etc al lworking,but my content(blog posts) are all missing now :(
11:29<jhong>Sure :-) I've set up OpenVPN server on my ubuntu linked, can connect with my android handset no probes, but the only way I can get any traffic routed thru is by pushing "redirect-gateway" to the client.
11:29<Guest1289>anyone who can help ?
11:29<pharaun>Guest1289: did you restore from a old backup :)
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11:30<jhong>This kills off access to apache etc on the server
11:30<Guest1289>Not old,the backup was like just a couple of hrs ago...
11:30<pharaun>and did you drop the db/etc if so yeah probably gone unless you have... backups of the posts ?
11:30<pharaun>Guest1289: did you make sure to make backups of the db/posts ?
11:30<Guest1289>I do..
11:30<Guest1289>I copied all files of my backup into the public dir,was it a good thing ?
11:31<jhong>Apologies, predictive text.... s/linked/linode, s/probes/probes
11:31<Guest1289>I dont understand,how come my plugins and themes copied,but the content didnt ?
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11:32<pharaun>don't wordpress use mysql for its data, now if you didn't dump then load up the data into the database then you didn't backup the posts
11:33<npmr>have you tried pushing a route instead of pushing "redirect-gateway"?
11:33<Guest1289>okay,where exactly do I find the MYsql dump ?
11:33<Guest1289>Are all posts/usernames stored in MYSQL database ?
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11:33<pharaun><-- does not use wordpress, but yes i believe so
11:34<pharaun>if you didn't do a mysql dump and you blew away the machine, its probalby gone for good
11:34<Guest1289>I dont find a DB/posts thingy,in my server :\
11:34<pharaun>unless something automatically made a db dump for you
11:34<pharaun>how did you back your stuff up ?
11:34<pharaun>just copy it off the machine and back on in your... www/whatever directory ?
11:34<Guest1289>a Wordpress plugin and I also haev a manual XML file of my posts..
11:34<Guest1289>A wordpress plugin called backupwordpress
11:35<pharaun>oh if you have a xml version somewhere, go find it to make sure your data is still there/intact
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11:35<Guest1289>My XML file is pretty safe,and upto date
11:35<npmr>jhong, so i guess i have to make some assumptions about the rest of your network outside of openvpn...
11:35<Guest1289>how do i put this data into the WP blog,now ?
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11:36<Guest1289>Wait,one more query,I need to update my WP to 3.2 but I need to grant acess Web Server acess to WP to do it,How do I create a FTP account ?
11:36<npmr>jhong, but let's say, for sake of argument, that the openvpn server has access to a private network, and you want vpn clients to have access to this network
11:37<pharaun>Guest1289: oh whew you do at least have your posts, i was worrid that you blew away the mysql db without having some sort of backup of your posts
11:37<pharaun>Guest1289: i would assume thesame plugin ? to load it back in
11:37<jhong>npmr: just trying to connect a single Android client at the moment. Often behind a nat, but it works via 3G or wifi. I'm using dev tun, can provide conf files if it would help
11:38<npmr>jhong, in your server's configuration you'd put 'push "route"'
11:38<Guest1289>I am not really sure,if the plugin would do it..
11:38<pharaun>Guest1289: as on grand access, um i believe a group access would work, and please do not use ftp
11:38<+linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
11:38<jhong>Just trying to route Internet traffic. Server is a standalone linode
11:38<AviMarcus>Hey. Does anyone have recommendations for a dedicated server place in the UK?
11:38<Guest1289>I know,FTP isnt secure and all..
11:38<npmr>jhong, yes, but trying to connect it to *what*, exactly?
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11:39<Guest1289>But,I am not getting anywhere using putty!
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11:39<pharaun>Guest1289: putty == ssh, you can use winscp for your scp/uploading/downloading fyi :)
11:39<npmr>jhong, in other words, what traffic do you want to route over the vpn, versus the android device's native interfaces
11:39<pharaun>Guest1289: and if you are talking about passless login you need to use putty's keygen to generate the keys
11:39<jhong>I've tried push "route xx.xx.xx.0" where xx.xx.xx is the external ip of the linode,to no avail...
11:40<Guest1289>I will give it another try using putty :)
11:40<Guest1289>But,what do I do with the data i already sent using FTP ?
11:40<pharaun>Guest1289: nice thing about scp, is if you got ssh access, then odds is you got scp/sftp access too, use winscp for that
11:40<pharaun>Guest1289: its on the machine already right? you should be ok, now on upgrading it
11:40<npmr>xx.xx.xx is not enough octets to be an ip address, regardless of whether it's internal or external
11:40<jhong>npmr: All network traffic
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11:40<Guest1289>so How do I perform the upgrade ?
11:40<pharaun>Guest1289: you need to give/set that stuff to the group of your web-server
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11:41<pharaun>Guest1289: there's 2 approaches, 1) download your own copy and upgrade manually, or 2) use wordpress itself to upgrade
11:41<jhong>So should cover the gateway
11:41<Guest1289>How do i use WP to upgrade ?
11:41<npmr>0 is a very atypical last octet for a unicast address
11:41<Guest1289>I am a total newbie in VPS .period.
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11:42<npmr>if it's all network traffic you want routed over the vpn, then redirect-gateway is probably correct
11:42<jhong>Really.? I thought the last octet was unimportant as the net mask is
11:42<npmr>but it probably has some implementation quirks
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11:43<pharaun>Guest1289: do you have ssh access at all cos you are going to need to set the wp code to the same group as your web-server so it can upgrade in place
11:43<jhong>Yeah, it works... But then my websites hosted on the linode die. I think inbound apache requests are getting routed around
11:44<pharaun>Guest1289: i would suggest waiting or seeing if linode library has info on wordpress (i've never used it fyi)
11:44<Guest1289>I can't understand anything much,but thanks for the help :)
11:44<npmr>i haven't used that feature of openvpn, but i know that with other vpns that feature causes the vpn client to mess with the client's routing table so that traffic to the gateway ip is still routed over the internet (via the local router), and the default route is via the point-to-point peer ip address on the tun device
11:44<Guest1289>I found some resources in linode lib,will check it up :)
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11:45<npmr>which means that routing for *all* traffic to the gateway outside the vpn, and *all* traffic to anything else is through the vpn
11:45<npmr>again, i don't know if this is how openvpn does it, but it is how other vpns i've worked with do it
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11:46<jhong>Which I find hard to wrap my head around :-) ... Inbound apache requests are being routed to the tun device??
11:46<npmr>also, if you expect your openvpn server to be forwarding traffic from the client to destinations other than the server, you'll need to enable ip forwarding
11:47<jhong>Yes, I've done that... It works
11:47<jhong>At least, I can surf through the tunnel from the client
11:47<npmr>what does the routing table on your android look like with the vpn up?
11:47<jhong>Let me check... Few mins
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12:03<jhong>Ok, got it
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12:07<jhong>tun0 to destination 0500080A
12:08<jhong>Gateway 00000000
12:08<jhong>Then two entries for eth0
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12:14<jhong>Sorry that wasn't right, there are 5 tun0 entries, one of them is the default route
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12:20<npmr>what are the entries for eth0?
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12:31<opello>MTecknology: ping
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12:33<tjfontaine>opello: also SpaceHob1
12:34<opello>oh yeah?
12:34<opello>i'm just at whit's end here :p and need to move on to real work
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13:00<squircle>is there some sort of operator I can use to match any character or no character? (e.g. ip?tables would match "iptables" and "ip6tables")
13:00<squircle>that, or if there's a beginner's guide to regular expressions, I guess that would work too
13:01<tjfontaine>are you talking glob or regex though
13:01<tjfontaine>and there are tons of regexp beginners guides
13:03<tjfontaine>if you're working from a shell, you're probably glob'ing in which case may help you, in other cases
13:04<tjfontaine>or the documentation from your programming language/library of choice
13:04<squircle>awesome, thanks
13:04<squircle>and I'm working in bash, so I guess it's glob
13:05<AviMarcus>oh not regex.
13:05<AviMarcus>.? matches any single character in regex
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13:09<squircle>is it normal that `free` only shows 497MB total memory? (I'm guessing that some is probably reserved for something; `dmesg` shows 520MB total)
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13:09<retro|blah>I figure the kernel takes up the rest
13:09<squircle>aaah, right
13:12<squircle>one more question, is there any way I can get tab completion after typing "sudo ", or does bash not like that?
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13:14<JshWright>if you're doing stuff as root, just su
13:15<squircle>I guess I could, but it's kinda nice having that sober second thought... the "woah, are you sure you want to do that?"
13:15<squircle>i'll live without autocompletion
13:16<deejoe>The 'free' thing is a bang FAQ I think, but I'll be dipped if I know what invokes it.
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13:16<deejoe>if not, it probably should be.
13:18<retro|blah>squircle: There is this
13:18<squircle>AviMarcus: it's not disk caching; I was talking about total available memory, not free/used
13:18<squircle>retro|blah: thanks!
13:18<AviMarcus>oh. Sorry :P
13:19<AviMarcus>uh. Mem: 425
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13:19<AviMarcus>I lost 90mb?
13:19<retro|blah>squircle: Still doesn't allow me to tab-complete after sudo -e <filename> when I want to edito something but I figure it's better than nothing
13:20<squircle>retro|blah: i'll take it; I've honestly never used sudo -e before
13:20<retro|blah>squircle: Yeah, you could just as easily do sudo <your-favorite-editor> <file>
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13:22*deejoe nods appreciatively at AviMarcus
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13:27<+linbot>See the shortlist of the bot's commands at
13:29<squircle>the second link of !alot 404's
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13:32<@Perihelion>To fix or not to fix
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13:42<+linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Manage Content with Markdown and Mango on Fedora 14 <>
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13:53<@Perihelion>HELLO YAAKOV
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13:56<Yaakov>I am feeling quite jaunty, in fact.
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13:59<+linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu user priviledges in General Discussion <>
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14:34<+linbot>navi: Yo mommas so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:14/3) [muorm]
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15:08<+linbot>Jippi: Yo mommas so fat she jumped in the air and got STUCK. (719:7/4) [murmo]
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15:08<+linbot>Jippi: Yo mommas so ugly she scared off the crabs in your dads pants (824:4/7) [oummr]
15:09<+linbot>Jippi: Yo mommas so fat, when she turns around, people give her a welcome back party! (808:3/2) [mrmuo]
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15:17<@mikegrb>mmm cake
15:17<navi>Daevien: The cake is a duck.
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15:19<navi>I know it doesn't follow the rules, but I was just thinking. If the doctor was replaced by a duck, the show would be called Ducktor Who.
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15:57<TheFirst>someone's possessed
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16:26*Nivex slaps Perihelion around with a large duck
16:26<Nivex>oops, did I cross the memes?
16:26*Perihelion slaps Nivex around a bit with a large cactus
16:27<@jed>never cross the memes
16:28<@Perihelion>Has anyone ever been so far as want to 12 years old and what is this
16:28<tjfontaine>jed: fail: never cross the ducks
16:29<@Perihelion>Never cross the tjfontaine.
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16:35<[JAPS]Akensai>Hey guys
16:36<[JAPS]Akensai>Any promo codes for a new customer?
16:37<swaj>wow JungleDisk is full of win. Well worth the $5/month.
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16:39<tjfontaine>[JAPS]Akensai: pay annually and get a discount
16:39<[JAPS]Akensai>I just want to test it our for a review/etc
16:39<[JAPS]Akensai>I work for a company that owns about 15 different hosting brands, I don't trust it. I know the network.
16:39<tjfontaine>[JAPS]Akensai: 7 day money back
16:40<[JAPS]Akensai>So I'm searching for decent vps's
16:40<[JAPS]Akensai>thats understandable
16:40<[JAPS]Akensai>But who's to say I don't keep it, and just want a little extra off?
16:41<sirpengi>you don't want linode then. linode isn't decent, it's EXCELLENT
16:41<tjfontaine>I don't know of any active codes, I know you can get discounts if you pay for a year (or two) in advance
16:41<[JAPS]Akensai>ive heard some decent stuff is all
16:41<[JAPS]Akensai>i do networking/support for a few different web hosting companies, and even some for a GSP.
16:41<sirpengi>yeah, the only discount is prepaying
16:41<[JAPS]Akensai>And knowing every single one of the networks, I would never pay for them.
16:42<[JAPS]Akensai>all there is to it
16:42<GLaDOSDan>I accidentally killed some /sbin/dhcp something on my node
16:42<GLaDOSDan>bye bye networking
16:42<[JAPS]Akensai>also a freelance writer for examiner and wanting to put up a new review for some income lol
16:42<GLaDOSDan>(hello LISH0
16:43<[JAPS]Akensai>no promos?
16:44<@Perihelion>Not at this time...other than the prepayment ones
16:44<@Perihelion>If you go to a conference we hand out promo cards sometimes
16:44<[JAPS]Akensai>Domain limits?
16:45<[JAPS]Akensai>I own about 150 domains, and If I like Linode, good chance I'll use em all.
16:45<@jed>you might like the API, then:
16:45<[JAPS]Akensai>Albeit on different VPS's entirely.
16:45<[JAPS]Akensai>Seen that jed, one of the reasons I didnt look at something else.
16:46<[JAPS]Akensai>I have a lifetime free vps with dreamhost for winning a development contest, and it sucks cock.
16:46<tjfontaine>have you met the rest of like the faq?
16:46<[JAPS]Akensai>Swear to god their debian setups are trash.
16:46<[JAPS]Akensai>It's free and I dont want to use it, if that says anything.
16:47<GLaDOSDan>mine bitcoin on it
16:47<ajmitch>you get what you pay for?
16:48<[JAPS]Akensai>In all seriousness though, just looking for a decent generic vps host for personal/development use.
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16:48<[JAPS]Akensai>Keep in mind, with me follows about 45 clients I host on a dedi, each with their own new VPS.
16:48<tjfontaine>the 400+ people believe Linode is that solution
16:48<tjfontaine>(in this channel)
16:48<AviMarcus>well [JAPS]Akensai linode is certainly one of those decent hosts :)
16:49<[JAPS]Akensai>Alright, I'll give it a shot.
16:49<pharaun>use linode, problem solved [JAPS]Akensai
16:49*AviMarcus feels ashamed for saying linode is "decent"
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16:49<swaj>[JAPS]Akensai: Linode has 40,000+ customers, if that matters at all to you. I doubt they'd be as successful if they sucked.
16:49<AviMarcus>that's practically an insult
16:50<[JAPS]Akensai>GreenGeeks has 250k+ customers
16:50<bbeausej>[JAPS]Akensai: I moved all my clients from dedi to linode about 2 years ago, about ~50+ linodes in production, only good experiences so far 2 years down.
16:50<[JAPS]Akensai>and i would never use them
16:50<[JAPS]Akensai>simply because i designed part of the network
16:50<pharaun>AviMarcus: confess your sin, and we shall forgive you
16:50<[JAPS]Akensai>amount of customers means nothing
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16:50<tjfontaine>[JAPS]Akensai: 7 day moneyback, just try it, we think you won't bother with anything else, the rest of your time here is wasted
16:50<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
16:50<[JAPS]Akensai>thats like saying dreamhost or godaddy is good
16:51<swaj>greengeeks also sells webhosting on top of vps's. 40,000 VPS customers is a lot :)
16:51<[JAPS]Akensai>But yeah, I'll give the cheapo vps a shot and if I like it I'll be registering a few dozen.
16:51<swaj>but either way, I've been a happy customer for a couple years now, aside from Fremont troubles :P
16:51<swaj>though that was Hurricane Electric's incompetence, not Linode's
16:52<[JAPS]Akensai>Eh I use a company dual quad atm for personal stuff as its been out of use for awhile, but now someone requested the server and its the only one in the location, so i have to give it up :9
16:52<bbeausej>I should really get some bitcoin action going on those unused cpu cycles
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16:53<tjfontaine>bbeausej: you shouldn't waste your time with cpu mining
16:53<@jed>even GPU is a waste of time now
16:53*caker mines urmom
16:54<pharaun>what price is btc selling at now? didn't they crash and never recover since the mtgox thing
16:54<tjfontaine>mtgox is at 15 atm
16:54*Perihelion mines caker
16:54<tjfontaine>been fluxing the past 3 days between 12 and 16
16:54<pharaun>ah went up a bit
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17:04<squircle>is "ip addr del dev eth0" a valid way to add a private IP to my linode, or do I need to specify a broadcast address as well?
17:04<@jed>do it, it's smart
17:04<squircle>would the broadcast just be
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17:05<hawk>squircle: The broadcast would be implicit based on the netmask
17:05<squircle>hawk: oh, awesome. thanks!
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17:29<pronto>VonF: oh?
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17:30<pronto>stupid putty
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17:38<Kyhwana>ajmitch: hmm, still no answer from SNAP on ipv6
17:38<AviMarcus>oh snap!
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17:43<ajmitch>Kyhwana: they obviously have no immediate plans then
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17:47<Steve-O>Hi guys
17:48<Steve-O>Does anyone have a moment to help out a guy who has never had a vps before?
17:48<MacsFromGS>Steve-O sure...
17:48<tjfontaine> see the getting started portions
17:48<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
17:48<Steve-O>Thank :)
17:49<tjfontaine>Steve-O: do you have linux experience?
17:49<Steve-O>Ok I just got a linode earlier and I was working through the getting started part
17:49<Steve-O>nope no linux experience at all
17:50<Steve-O>i did everything in the getting started part but the editing /etc/hosts cofused me
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17:50<Steve-O>the console just tells me this
17:50<Steve-O>root@saturn:~# sudo gedit /etc/hosts
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17:51<jc>new here
17:51<Steve-O>it just keeps telling me unable to resolve host
17:52<jc>how do i cntact customer service ?
17:52<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
17:52<tjfontaine>but otherwise a ticket
17:52<akerl>Steve-O: Are you logged in as root?
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17:53<Steve_o>oops got disconnected i think
17:53<jc>i have billing qiuestions before signing up
17:53<akerl>Steve-O: Are you logged in as root?
17:53<+linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
17:53<akerl>jc: What do you want to know?
17:53<tjfontaine>jc: we can answer a lot
17:53<Steve_o>i think i might have missed a couple of oyur replies
17:53<Steve_o>yes i logged in as root ok
17:53<akerl>First off, if you're root, you don't need sudo. Secondly, you don't want gedit, you want vim or nano or something else
17:53<jc>whats the refund policy ? is it pro rated, if I sign up for 1 or 2 year service ?
17:54<akerl>!7day | jc
17:54<+linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
17:54<nDuff>Steve-O, ...well, gedit is a _graphical_ editor. If you aren't set up for remote GUI apps (and you shouldn't be -- using GUIs to administer servers is not generally good practice), that's not something you'll be able to use.
17:54<Steve_o>i installed the security updates and set the timezone ok
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17:55<Steve_o>hmmm i used putty to log in as root
17:55<nDuff>Steve-O, ...right -- unless you did a bunch of work to set up an X server, you can't run graphical programs like gedit over a connection with PuTTY.
17:55<jc>thanks, so signing up for 2 years make sense, since there's a 15% discount, and I can cancel any time ...
17:55<jc>great, thanks so much
17:56<Steve_o>ok how do i edot the hosts file then. the instrictions on getting started confused me
17:56<retro|blah>Steve_o: nano /etc/hosts
17:56<akerl>vim or nano or some such
17:57<Steve_o>thanks guys, brb trying it
17:57<retro|blah>Do whatever you need to in that file. Commands are at the bottom, ^ means ctrl
17:57<bd_>jc: Just keep in mind that if you cancel before the end of the 2-year thing you have to give back the discount (it gets deducted from your refund)
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17:58<jc>hmmm... thanks.. i don't like that :)
17:58<tjfontaine>but you understand why though
17:58<bd_>Well, it's no worse than paying month-to-month.
17:58<jc>true, but...
17:59<jc>yeah, maybe it makes sense
17:59<bd_>And otherwise there'd be no point in giving the discount - people would sign up for a 2-year discount, then cancel after a month, etc.
17:59<jc>not everyone does that
17:59<bd_>and you can switch from month-to-month to 1- or 2-year billing cycles whenever
18:00<jc>i am still not sure if this is what i want...
18:00<tjfontaine>7day money back
18:00<jc>all i need is to run a personal blog, wiki and git
18:00<akerl>jc: That's what !7day is for
18:00<jc>not run a server
18:01<jc>okay, 7 day trial makes sense
18:01<akerl>... A server is an integral part of what you just listed.
18:01<bd_>akerl: well, there are hosted solutions. You get less control of course, and may or may not end up paying more...
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18:01*akerl hates when people's nicks are common words, and my irc highlights them when I'm just using the word.
18:02<Steve_o>help i'm still a little confused, what command to i need to use to add a line?
18:02<tjfontaine>I used to get that all the time when people would say nuTJob
18:02<bd_>tjfontaine: \b
18:02<tjfontaine>bd_: long since fixed :P
18:02<jc>Steve_), edit it on your desktop and scp it, that might be easier
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18:03<bd_>tjfontaine: it's worse for me, with BD-rom and the like. Not even \b will save me :|
18:03<tjfontaine>bd_: those bastards
18:03<steve--o>guys i'm still a little confused what command to i use to add a line to the hosts file?
18:03<akerl>Steve_o: Step one, you probably want an actual IRC client so you don't reconnect every 30 seconds
18:03<akerl>steve--o: You type...
18:03<jc>i dont want my data with anybody else - as will happen with a hosted solution
18:04<steve--o>yes you're right
18:04<Kyhwana>steve--o: nano /etc/hosts
18:04<akerl>steve--o: And you add a line with enter
18:04<Kyhwana>steve--o: the ^ means Ctrl (So to write out a file in nano, it's ctrl-o
18:05<jc>baseprice is higher than other places, but i hear great things about linode
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18:06<MTecknology>opello: pong
18:06<akerl>jc: Depends who you compare to. If you're matching with similar resources/support, linode usually comes out cheaper.
18:06<bd_>jc: do those other places include bandwidth at the base price? :)
18:06<JoeK>you get free bonuses with linode
18:07<JoeK>every year >.>
18:07<JoeK>i started with a linode 360 :P 16gb disk, now i got a linode 512 with 20GB disk
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18:08<jc>bd: no, bandwidth is not included, but in my case, I don't see too much use of bandwidth, I don't expect anyone other than me to read my blog
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18:08<jc>thanks, JoeK
18:08<xiaoxin>is anybody here?
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18:09<jc>i am giving it a try anyway... which is why i am here
18:09<xiaoxin>i just buy a linode but i can't ssh my vps?
18:09<retro|blah>xiaoxin: You need to boot it, did you do that
18:10<xiaoxin>yes iboot it
18:10<xiaoxin>this is my ip
18:10<+linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
18:10<+linbot>squircle: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 82.6ms
18:10<squircle>well, it's on...
18:10<Kyhwana>xiaoxin: sshd is running
18:10<Kyhwana>did you login with the right user/pass?
18:11<steve--o>i think i did it
18:11<xiaoxin>i come from china
18:11<xiaoxin>i can't ssh this ip
18:11<Kyhwana>xiaoxin: then you need to talk to your ISP
18:12<Kyhwana>s/ISP/great firewall of china
18:12<Kyhwana>I suppose
18:12<mshuler>xiaoxin: on the "Remote Access" tab in the linode manager, you should be able to get to Lish, if you can't ssh to the IP address (which is working - I just got a pwd prompt)
18:12<Kyhwana>You could login with lish and then try changing the port it's on
18:12<mshuler>xiaoxin: you could log in, change the port ssh is listening to and try another port, maybe
18:12<xiaoxin>yes i got that ip
18:13<Kyhwana>But if the entire IP (range) is blocked by the GFoC then you're screwed.
18:13<mshuler>that's true..
18:13<jc>some work places block ssh
18:14<xiaoxin>i got a vpn from usa
18:14<mshuler>which is why another port is a possible thing to try - run it on 8080 or somthing like that
18:14<Kyhwana>I didn't think the GFoC blocked ssh though
18:14<bd_>Kyhwana: I think it blocks by IP ranges, not port ranges
18:14<Kyhwana>ahh right
18:14<bd_>so it might be blocking all of linode or something
18:14<Kyhwana>xiaoxin: do you have IPv6?
18:14<xiaoxin>and i ping from my vpn, it worked.but in my country it's not worked
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18:15<bd_>xiaoxin: connect over your VPN then?
18:15<Kyhwana>xiaoxin: bummer, looks like the GFoC is blocking it then :( You'll have to connect to it via your VPN then
18:15<xiaoxin>ipv6? i dont enable it on linode
18:16<opello>MTecknology: nm, thanks for getting back to me though
18:16<Kyhwana>xiaoxin: I mean from your ISP in china. I don't know if china is rolling out v6 yet and if they are if your linode v6 range would be blocked
18:16<xiaoxin>anyway thanks u all
18:16<xiaoxin>ok i'll try v6 thx
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18:17<jc>are linode servers on ipv6 ?
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18:17<jc>never used it
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18:17<mshuler>if you wish (and your datacenter has it enabled)
18:17<jc>any benefits in using it .. in the long term ?
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18:18<bd_>jc: Long term, the internet as a whole will need to move to ipv6 due to the ipv4 address shortage
18:18<mshuler>sure - there are no more ipv4 addresses to hand ou.. ;)
18:18<MTecknology>I got to plow throug 1.5mil packets............
18:18<bd_>Short term, contacting other linodes in the same DC via their public address is free on ipv6 (with ipv4 you need to use their private network address)
18:19<MTecknology>that really really sucked
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18:19<jc>thanks, so better enable Ipv6 so, I don't have to update DNS later ...
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18:19<MTecknology>(used tcpdump + wireshark of course)
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18:21<MTecknology>turns out -
18:22<MTecknology>turns out - having a DHCP Offer packet that's not exactly right can really muck up things down the line
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18:32<Solver>MTecknology: sure can
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18:56<MTecknology>Solver: multiple router servers returned when there was only one on the network
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18:57<MTecknology>Solver: we saw the effect but the actual cause was a horrible bitch to track down
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19:03<MTecknology>I just love calling the IRS........................
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19:11<MTecknology>been on hold 20min so far
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19:19<SleePy>MTecknology, You must want your money back then. If they wanted your money, I'm sure they would of picked up by now :D
19:20<MTecknology>i actually owe :P
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19:22<SleePy>I'm shocked that they don't want your money faster. Your money will save our government for another 2 seconds.
19:23<MTecknology>SleePy: uuuuhhh......
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19:24<MTecknology>SleePy: $3,448 wouldn't last that long
19:25<SleePy>I said two seconds :o
19:25<MTecknology>0.2 maybe
19:26<SleePy>Thats a lot to owe though :|
19:27<AviMarcus>3.8 trillion (U.S. dollars per year) = 120 417.306 U.S. dollars per second
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19:27<AviMarcus>0.028633758 seconds. Nice, MTecknology
19:28<SleePy>I would be right i I moved my decimal two places to the left.
19:28<AviMarcus>oh. No. sorry. you're still nearly 10x too much
19:29<AviMarcus>spending has gone up nearly every year since 1996..
19:29<KyleXY>And yet we just keep on spending...
19:31<SleePy>Seems our spending took a nice steep curve in the 1970s and hasn't looked back.
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19:31<AviMarcus>SleePy, no no, it's just inflation. ;)
19:31<Solver>SleePy: steep rise you mean?
19:31<AviMarcus>curve up..
19:32*Solver is a non-American :)
19:32*SleePy fails at grammar a lot.
19:32<bob2>wow, the rackspace cloud loadbalancer pricing is pretty aggressive
19:32<Solver>well I was pretty sure US spending had risen ahead of inflation ;)
19:33<MTecknology>should i ask them about it when I get off hold?
19:33<AviMarcus>Solver, ofc. I was joking.
19:33<MTecknology>Solver: only by x%
19:33<Solver>AviMarcus: ah :)
19:33<MTecknology>where x > 100
19:33<Solver>it's certainly been high in the last 10 years or so
19:34<AviMarcus>bob2, is it?
19:34<AviMarcus>$11/month + per connection fees + bandwidth fees
19:34<MTecknology>AviMarcus: that graph isn't debt- just spending
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19:35<AviMarcus>I know.
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19:46<MTecknology>I think I'm gonna go buy a few things when my biscuits finish cooking - I wonder which will happen first: someone answers || get back
19:47<SleePy>When I call a business, I use my cell phone, put it on speaker and just do other stuff :D
19:49<MTecknology>SleePy: been doing that - if i had another phone i'd be making other calls
19:49-!-nookterra [~straterra@2001:470:8a81:5:5a67:1aff:fe10:c947] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:49<SleePy>Well considering its 5 pm my time almost. You may not get anyone as they all went home.
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19:50<MTecknology>not to the cutoff time yet
19:50<MTecknology>IRS - not a regular business
19:50<SleePy>Oh really.. They don't close at 5 :o
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19:50<SleePy>I guess your right (did a google check)
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19:52<MTecknology>SleePy: what tiwe did it say?
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19:54<MTecknology>i have a feeling whens it comes people are just booted off
19:54<SleePy>Depends on why your calling
19:54<SleePy>But between 7 pm and 10pm
19:55<bob2>does 'biscuit' mean 'savoury thing you eat with meat' everywhere in the US?
19:56<MTecknology>bob2: no idea- i eat with gravy that has meat in it
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20:08<+linbot>New news from forums: unwanted incoming traffic eating bandwidth in General Discussion <>
20:13<+linbot>New news from forums: SIP Origination / Termination - Fremont in General Discussion <>
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20:21<Kyhwana>hmm, anyone know if there's a downloadable (As a tarball or similar) database of RFCs?
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20:25<Element>Anyone got any tips on changing Linux distros with the least amount of downtime?
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20:25<Kyhwana>Element: er
20:25<Kyhwana>if you're going from say debian based to red hat based, you're basically screwed
20:26<tjfontaine>Kyhwana: it's not impossible, you just need a chroot
20:26<Element>itorNo, it will be from Ubuntu 10.04 32 bit to Ubuntu 11.04 64 bit.
20:27<tjfontaine>why do you need to switch to 64bit?
20:27<Element>I have a commercial PHP app which I cannot look at the source of and is running into a 4GB file download limit.
20:28<tjfontaine>64bit is about 4GB *memory* limit
20:28<Kyhwana>Element: that's a filesystem limit
20:28<tjfontaine>file size limits are more about filesystems
20:28<Kyhwana>or more likely, a hard coded variable in the PHP app
20:29<tjfontaine>so it's unlikely an arch change will help, unless php is holding the damn file in memory
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20:29<MTecknology>SleePy: not yet....
20:29<Kyhwana>ext2 smallest file system limit (depending on block size) is 16GB
20:29<Kyhwana>So switching to a 64bit kernel/distro won't help you
20:30<Element>It isn't just about that. All pointers/integers are also limited to 32 bit. If you look at the PHP file size function, it breaks on 32 bit systems with files larger than 2GB (or 4GB not sure), because of integer truncation.
20:30<Kyhwana>You need to get the PHP app author to change it
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20:30<Kyhwana>so why can't you just install a 64bit kernel and upgrade to a 64bit version of apache/PHP (if relevant)
20:30<tjfontaine>wait wait wait, 4gb upload limit?
20:31<tjfontaine>or you mean
20:31<Kyhwana>oh, heh, we ran into that, IE doesn't downloading files more than 2/4GB either
20:31<Solver>or if you want the app to be portable to 32bit instals maybe you want to accomodate the limitation (that's a horrible limitation 2011)
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20:31<tjfontaine>Solver: apparently this is real
20:32<tjfontaine> Because PHP's integer type is signed and many platforms use 32bit integers, filesize() may return unexpected results for files which are larger than 2GB. For files between 2GB and 4GB in size this can usually be overcome by using sprintf("%u", filesize($file)).
20:32<Solver>last time I had to deal with 2GB file size limits was years long ago
20:32<Element>tjfontaine: Yes, php function filesize().
20:32<tjfontaine>Element: and you can't change that call because that part of the code is locked away?
20:33<Element>As I mentioned, its not my app. I don't have access to source code of it, etc. Its encrypted/encoded with some obfuscator and I would probably be breaking the license if I messed with it anyways.
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20:33<Kyhwana>Element: can't you get the author to fix it?
20:34<tjfontaine>so fucking useless
20:34<tjfontaine>Element: your two options are 1) new node and migrate to it (preferred) or 2) in place work of debootstrap
20:34<Element>I sent an email to them. Hopefully they do! But meanwhile my downloads are broken.
20:34<tjfontaine>man split
20:34<tjfontaine>and make your files smaller than 4GB
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20:35<Element>tjfontaine: What would you recommend as a portable non-headache solution for often rather computer ignorant individuals to recombine the split files? These are DVD ISO images.
20:36<dragonsd>how do you create a subdomain that points to a page on the site?
20:36<tjfontaine>Element: 7zip the mofo's
20:36<Kyhwana>dragonsd: via your DNS registrar/hoster
20:37<Kyhwana>or if you already have one, virtualhosts in apache/etc
20:37<tjfontaine>Kyhwana: huh? you mean make a subdomain that cnames to www, and then in apache make a new vhost and create a redirect/rewrite
20:37<Kyhwana>tjfontaine: yes, I meant that :)
20:37<Element>tjfontaine: I'll check into that. Sounds better than migrating to 64 bit. Thanks for the tips ya'll.
20:37<dragonsd>i.e. to
20:38<tjfontaine>Element: I would more suggest ditching php :P
20:38<dragonsd>which way is easier? register vs. virtualhost
20:39<Kyhwana>dragonsd: er, you have to have both
20:39<Kyhwana>you need to create the subdomain and add the A record to point to your webserver, then have your webserver do a vhost for it and redirect it to that page
20:40<Kyhwana>although I thinkj some registrars have URL redirection
20:41<dragonsd>ah ok. if i'm using dns manager in linode, can i still use url redirection from a registrar?
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20:43<dragonsd>ok, thx kyhwana
20:44<Kyhwana>something like that
20:46<dragonsd>ah, cool. thx. it doesn't matter if it's a directory or page, right?
20:46<dragonsd>i could just set it to point to a page (url) instead of a directory
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20:50<MTecknology>dragonsd: chegk out nginx
20:52<MTecknology>dragonsd: server { server_name; rewrite ^; } <- entire config for that
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20:52*SleePy hearts nginx
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20:54<dragonsd>i'm already using apache though
20:54<Kyhwana>hmm, I should look at nginx, keep meaning to
20:55<MTecknology>dragonsd: learn to use real web server software
20:56<dragonsd>heh :) maybe for my next web project
20:56<pronto>nginx is nice
20:56<MTecknology>wow.... this cut bled through 8 layers of paper towels and is bleeding strong
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21:00<SleePy>MTecknology, Its not bounty :D
21:00<MTecknology>SleePy: ?
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21:12<alohatone>any opinions
21:12<+linbot>New news from forums: Spoofing in General Discussion <>
21:13<tjfontaine>"we would be able to stop spoofing since we would know where the IP originates" <-- isn't the point of spoofing you not knowing where the ip originates :P
21:14<tjfontaine>alohatone: but anyway, if you're relaying mail for a client you should not be relying on remote ip address alone
21:14<alohatone>the point being if that if we have the smtp servers on our network connected to our routers connections would not originate from our subnets outside our network and touch the smtp server
21:14<bob2>it's tcp
21:15<bob2>spoofing is very very hard
21:15<alohatone>this is purely for the point of the bandwidth utlilzation
21:15<bob2>also: mandate smtp auth
21:15<tjfontaine>that's what I just said :)
21:15<bob2>alohatone: you can't stop random people on the internet consuming your linode bandwidth quota if they want
21:15<alohatone>connections constant syn from an IP that is spoofed
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21:15<alohatone>because we control and graph the oriniating ip
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21:15<alohatone>so we know its not talking to the linode
21:16<alohatone>but the linode is getting a connection "from that ip"
21:16<tjfontaine>alohatone: require ssl and valid certificates along with smtp auth
21:16<alohatone>smtp is not the issue
21:17<alohatone>the issue us bandwidth waste of the linode
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21:17<alohatone>do you understand
21:17<alohatone>not spoofed use of the server
21:17<tjfontaine>then you should rewrite your forum post
21:17<alohatone>but spoofed packets
21:17<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
21:18<@Perihelion>This is an outrage.
21:18<@Perihelion>linbot: You've made a powerful enemy today.
21:18<tjfontaine>Perihelion: it must be fixed
21:18<@Perihelion>You haz t3h powah
21:19<tjfontaine>alohatone: as bob2 already said, spoofing is quite difficult and regardless of firewalling on your node any ip can (albeit slowly) eat away at your quota
21:20<alohatone>The point is we are not having smtp issue thats simply a service example, the question is how would you deal with this waste of your bandwidth as well as the rf the fact that one of your customers ip has to be --REJECT in iptables because some other person was spoofing thier ip to talk to the linode, when the smtp was inhouse this was easily preventable since its our network and our ips.
21:20<alohatone>@tjtontaine thats my point
21:20<bob2>you can't
21:20<bob2>welcome to the internet
21:21<alohatone>thanks for the sarcasm
21:21<tjfontaine>1) this is not twitter, and 2) < bob2> welcome to the internet
21:21<bob2>it isn't sarcasm
21:21<tjfontaine>no seriously it's not sarcasm
21:21*tjfontaine lets bob2 handle
21:21<bob2>people can send whatever packets they want to you
21:21<bob2>and you eat the cost
21:21<bob2>linode or server in your own rack, that's how it works
21:21<alohatone>not server in my own rack
21:21<alohatone>i can block at perimeter
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21:22<tjfontaine>you're still paying for it at the router
21:22<tjfontaine>the transit happens.
21:22<alohatone>yes i understand that, but the QUESTION is how do you folks deal with it
21:22<tjfontaine>it's the cost of doing business
21:22<bob2>you firewall it and hope they don't eat your whole quota
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21:22<tjfontaine>bw is pooled, and I have 3 nodes, and it's usually not a problem
21:22<bob2>if they do, you can pay linode more or get your IP nullrouted (making it unreachable entirely)
21:23<alohatone>we have a significant number of node currently
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21:23<alohatone>so its not really an issue more of a question
21:23<alohatone>yeah but if our customer actually wnts to use the smtp server he cant cause hes null routed by linode
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21:25<alohatone>we are dealing with a lot (and rapidly growing) number of linodes so we ask these questions in general about scaling out and how people deal with issue on linnodes
21:25<tjfontaine>firewall with drop, that saves you a few packets, that's about it
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21:26<MTecknology>SleePy: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:27<MTecknology>SleePy: all that hold time for <5min
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21:34<@Perihelion>Gentlemen...BEHOLD -->
21:34<Nivex>and bots
21:35<@Perihelion>It was an Aqua Teen Hunger Force reference that you obviously missed :<
21:35<bob2>er s,^,s/,
21:35<bob2>I don't even
21:35<vsmatck>Nivex: Did you used to play AQ2 on mac like 10 years ago?
21:35<Nivex>vsmatck: nope. I've never even owned a Mac.
21:35<vsmatck>Nivex: ah. Must have been another nivex :)
21:35<@Perihelion>There can be only one Nivex.
21:36<Nivex> and are lame. There is only one Nivex Networks!
21:37<@Perihelion>One of them is hosted by Hostgator.
21:37<@Perihelion>I take offense.
21:39<Nivex>judging by the IP, they both are
21:39<Nivex>so much lame
21:39<Nivex> is even IPv6 enabled!
21:43<MTecknology>Nivex: my mind went duwb
21:43<MTecknology>Nivex: my mind went numb*
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21:45<MTecknology>does that song come in american?
21:45<Nivex>MTecknology: which one?
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21:45<MTecknology>(yes.... intentionally an ignorant remark)
21:45<MTecknology>Nivex: the left one
21:46<Nivex>The one on the left is the equivalent to scat jazz singing, and the one on the right is "Meow" in Japanese repeated.
21:46<@Perihelion>NYAN NYAN NYAN NYAN
21:47<MTecknology>Nivex: scat jazz?
21:47<MTecknology>i kinda like it
21:47<Nivex>"In vocal jazz, scat singing is vocal improvisation with wordless vocables, nonsense syllables or without words at all."
21:48<pharaun>nyan nyan is superior to all form of singing/songs
21:49<+linbot>New news from forums: Router firmware upgrade, then PuTTY warnings? in /dev/random <>
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21:49<Nivex>MTecknology: so that but in Finnish
21:50<Kyhwana>hmm, that's an odd forum post
21:51<MTecknology>Nivex: you just introduced me to a kind of music - i lke it
21:52<Knorrie>it's from here: skip to 1'24
21:52<Nivex>that's not thunder. that's an angry mob!
21:53<Nivex>ha! I love the leek as karaoke marker.
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21:59<Nivex>leekspin dance mix!
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22:43<HoopyCat>ok, maybe i can dial back the key size a bit
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23:09<tjfontaine>Nivex: you will be the end of me
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23:33<theferret>hi, any linode staff on?
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23:34<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
23:34<+linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
23:35<tjfontaine>!ask in other words theferret
23:35<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
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23:36<MTecknology>ne1 no ldap?
23:37<tjfontaine>MTecknology: utter failure man, sheer failure
23:37<MTecknology>tjfontaine: me tride
23:38<theferret>tjfontaine: really have a pre-sales question. ^^
23:38<tjfontaine>theferret: then you should ask it
23:38<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
23:39<tjfontaine>MTecknology: you failed to follow the rules you know well, even worse since I just did !ask seconds before you asked
23:39<theferret>Anyone knows the guidelines for linode on hosting vulnerable vm's for pentesting by a local defcon group?
23:39<MTecknology>tjfontaine: which was the point :(
23:39<tjfontaine>theferret: follow US and your own Laws
23:39<tjfontaine>theferret: and the ToS which is on the website
23:39<Kyhwana>theferret: I'd say as long as no one else hacks and turns it into a bot or the defcon group doesn't use it to flood/be naughty otherwise, I don't think they'd care.
23:40<Kyhwana>You'll have an issue with firewalling it off to your defcon group tho
23:40<theferret>Kyhwana: We're actually concerned about keeping the providers happy as well, ie: no bs from the the defcon group.
23:40<theferret>Kyhwana: and we're also looking into access via specific ips, ie: access to the lab is open available via certain ips.
23:41<Kyhwana>I don't know if linode have any IDS/IPS in place for peoples linodes or not.
23:41<@caker>sounds like the right attitude ... go for it
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23:41<Kyhwana>There you go :)
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23:41<MTecknology>theferret: you just got the green light buddy
23:42<@jed>theferret: can we enter and cheat?
23:42<Kyhwana>Just make sure no one else hacks and uses it to hack the NSA or something
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23:43<theferret>jed: We'll ban you >:D
23:43<theferret>jed: I've just sent you guys an email outlining the preventive measures from our end.
23:43<theferret>Just need a response to that and we should be good to go.
23:44<MTecknology>theferret: be CAREFUL - every county/state/country/etc. the packet touches - you are bound by there laws
23:44<Kyhwana>MTecknology: I think you're allowed to hack your own stuff with permission
23:44<MTecknology>but you knew that already
23:44<Kyhwana>unless you're in germeny, you're not allowed "hacker tools" there
23:44<theferret>MTecknology: I wouldn't worry about it, we are enforcing that all users are connected to a VPN that we run, so all traffic is encrypted and away from prying eyes.
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23:48<MTecknology>Disk space +25%
23:48<@jed>Cast time -10%
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23:49-!-A-KO^ is now known as A-KO
23:49<bss>bend bars/lift gates 9%
23:50*MTecknology learns math
23:55<theferret>Have a good day ahead you all. o/
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23:59<+linbot>Point (0.68822505, 0.36861266) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 98982 of 125699 (π ≈ 3.149810261020374 - 0.008217607430581). http://π
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