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---Logopened Wed Jul 13 00:00:32 2011
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00:21<HoopyCat>Bar_: i don't believe SysRq-x is assigned to anything. (you're probably thinking of 'b', which you can also do with a just plain 'destroy', which is an equally bad but easier to remember idea)
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00:23<HoopyCat>sysrq-b (and destroy) reboot the machine in the same way 50 kV across the nipples wakes someone up... sure, it'll do the trick, but it'll probably mess some stuff up and you'll be lucky to not get punched
00:24<amitz>depends on whose.
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00:28<SleePy>So windows question.
00:29<SleePy>User had a virus at one time, didn't give me the name of it. But now recently their system boots like a snail. It gets pass the bios screen and sits at the MS-DOS screen taking forever to boot xp. Once XP starts to load it loads up fairly fast.
00:29<SleePy>I'm suspecting there is still something on the system. Anti-virus isn't detecting anything though. So i'm down to pulling the key off with belarc and reinstalling the system from scratch.
00:30<bob2>time to reinstall
00:31<SleePy>I at least fixed their cd rom drive and fixed a bad registry from a previous malware that started a fake csrss at login time.
00:31<HoopyCat>the system was wiped and reimaged after the intrusion, right?
00:32<SleePy>She was doing it herself by reading off the internet. Doesn't even have the cd for the system
00:32<bob2>so no
00:32<bob2>== still pwned
00:32<SleePy>A win key sticker on the side says win 2000 and they are using xp. So I know it was upgraded at one time. So they have a real valid key I can pull to reinstall the system.
00:32<SleePy>Belarc should be able to get me the key :)
00:33<HoopyCat>either that or they bought the computer used :-)
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00:34<SleePy>Their kids got it fixed up by a computer company.
00:34<SleePy>I suggested they still upgrade since xp security updates will soon stop. But with 1 gb of ram and 1 ghz processor, I said it wouldn't run vista or 7.
00:34<HoopyCat>prolly gettin' nigh on time for replacement
00:35<SleePy>I suggested a Apple computer, since one of the users wasn't very computer friendly and they had lots of family using the computer. Less problems to deal with for what they use it for.
00:36<bob2>oh an Apple
00:36<bob2>I hear they make some sort of Mackertosh compooter now
00:37<SleePy>Well I suggested it since it has a really easy interface, easy parental controls and setting up a backup hard drive is very easy to do and restoring files is still simple :P. They don't even have separate accounts for all those who use the system :|
00:38<HoopyCat>if price is a concern (let's be honest, you don't fly a 10-year-old computer because you prefer single-core processing), a cheapo $500 woot refurb with windows 7 is going to provide more happiness per dollar than a mac
00:38<SleePy>That and they are less likely to be targeted for a trojan/virus/malware/spyware/etc.. :P
00:39<SleePy>I told them they where pricey, but for a easy interface, they said it wouldn't be that bad of an idea.
00:39<waltman>There are cheapo Apple refurbs, too.
00:41<HoopyCat>(afk, sleep)
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00:46<SleePy>Oh well. I thought it was either something still on the system or bad ram. I had my win xp cd and when I fixed the cd drive, it instantly loaded without a problem. So I suspected something still on the system.
00:50<NdFeB>SleePy: Try BootVis for diagnosing slow startup in Windows XP?
00:50<SleePy>Its also not the worst system I have seen.. Helped with one a few weeks ago. He got a root kit. No cd to even reinstall and it screwed his restore points. Luckily he got dell to send him the cd.
00:50<SleePy>NdFeB, No I haven't.
00:50<SleePy>The slowness seems to be at the MS DOS launch right after BIOS finishes loading and before Win XP starts its loading.
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02:04<elgreco>q: when centos6 image will be available
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02:06<elgreco> quess nobody knows
02:06<encode>when it is available, it will be available
02:08<elgreco>encode: thx
02:12<amitz>elgreco: i guess quite early, just wait.
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02:18<narcan>my linode has been hacked :/
02:19<bob2>also centos :(
02:20<narcan>this was a stock 10.04 install
02:21<bob2>was it up to date?
02:21<bob2>which crappy php cms were you running?
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02:21<narcan>yes was up to date
02:22<narcan>no php
02:22<narcan>just apache2
02:22<bob2>bad unix passwords?
02:22<narcan>and that was all
02:22<narcan>ssh , root disabled
02:22<narcan>still trying to work out how they got in...
02:22<narcan>like, the box had very little installed on it
02:22<elgreco>ufw was enabled
02:23<narcan>ufw isn't installed
02:23<elgreco>it would be good if you open just the ports u really need
02:24<narcan>all i had installed was ssh on 22 and apache on 80
02:24<narcan>but yeah, unaware what else by default was running
02:25<narcan>still, pretty frustrating a clean install can be compromised so easily
02:25<bob2>is it shut down yet?
02:25<narcan>not yet
02:25<bob2>if you literally have default config with all updates and with nothing listening aside from ssh and unconfigured apache, I'm scared
02:26<bob2>what can you see that indicates compromise?
02:26<narcan>there's a rootkit in /tmp
02:26<bob2>owned by?
02:26<narcan>and linode alerted me via email that the cpu was at 100%
02:26<narcan>logged in to see pscan2 was running
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02:27<narcan>last shows me there were 8 or so logins , all from different ips via bin
02:27<bob2>check auth.log I guess
02:27<bob2>bin has no password at all by default
02:27<bob2>so that's particularily odd
02:30<narcan>hmm, yeah i can see a brute force against a whole bunch of user names in here
02:30<narcan>auth.log that is
02:30<@heckman>elgreco: Please explain to me why you would need to filter ports if nothing is listening. :P
02:31<bob2>firewall is the belt to your not listening-anyway braces
02:32<elgreco>heckman: are you sure that no othert deamon was running?
02:33<bob2>dump the process tree to disk and reboot into finnix
02:33<@heckman>elgreco: If there are other daemons running why not just configure them not to listen on public addresses?
02:34<elgreco>the questheckman: ur funny
02:35<bob2>server firewalls are more useful for this case where you don't want your compromised machine portscanning the world
02:35<bob2>until they get root anyway
02:37<elgreco>hacking a ssh or just apache2 without any mods enabled its quite difficult
02:37<elgreco>only if the password was 12345
02:38<bob2>going via bin is odd
02:39<@heckman>I'm just trying to raise an interesting point. :p
02:40<narcan>checking auth.log, earliest reference i can find is
02:40<narcan>Jul 4 20:17:01 li334-22 sshd[29180]: Accepted password for bin from port 53852 ssh2
02:41<elgreco>my lonode shows:
02:41<elgreco>Jul 11 00:30:20 li353-229 sshd[15289]: Invalid user maxwell from Jul 11 00:30:20 li353-229 sshd[15289]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): check pass; user unknown Jul 11 00:30:20 li353-229 sshd[15289]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= Jul 11 00:30:21 li353-229 sshd[15289]: Failed password for invalid user maxwell from port 50312 ssh2 Jul 11 00:30
02:42<elgreco>constantly under attack
02:42<narcan>i've got a *lot* of them too
02:42<narcan>but they seem to be different
02:42<narcan>based on the ips and dates
02:42<elgreco>so usualy i put ssh on ports higher than 10.000
02:42<narcan>like they were still trying even after bin had been comprimised
02:43<narcan>but then those ones could be a number of different people too
02:43<narcan>so guess it's hard to say
02:43<narcan>still, there was no pattern of 'Invalid user bin' x 50 and they got in
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03:00<+linbot>New news from forums: Installing NetBSD - Looking for opinion in General Discussion <>
03:10<+linbot>New news from forums: install magento on LEMP, php extension problem in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
03:11<bob2>tl;dr php and centos are sadness
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04:12<AlexC_>what a good start to the day :P We keep getting bugs in our server (non-linode) and we get an email with the contents:
04:12<AlexC_>"I am expediting the move to the new hardware this morning as pi-wh-dev1 has lingering moth related trauma ..."
04:13<AlexC_>yes, moths keep getting in and attaching them selves to the hardware
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05:01<+linbot>New news from forums: Is this normal? in Performance and Tuning <> || install acroread on Debian Lenny in General Discussion <>
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05:24<dcraig>AlexC_, it must be that time of moth!
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06:00<dsd>Hello, how long does it takes for an account to be reenabled after repay of an overdue balance?
06:00<marius>as soon as they register the payment
06:01<dsd>So it takes some time...
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06:03<zoey>i there
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06:04<zoey>anybody use cloudflare on linode?
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06:09<zoey>i think i need to migrate from apache2 to nginx
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06:11<liamjfoy>zoey: check lighttpd
06:12<zoey>chechecked it
06:13<zoey>can't decide which one is good
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06:17<@heckman>mmmh, memory leaks
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06:21<bar__>I have a huge problem with my linode (mysql) server.
06:21<bar__>I rebooted it
06:21<bar__>via the GUI, and then when it didn't reboot for 2 minutes, I did 'sysrq b' in the lish console.
06:22<bar__>Now the job of "Shutdown" is stuck, and the linode is down....
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06:23<marius>Open a ticket
06:23<marius>They'll need ot know the linode ID and stuff to deal with it, which you provide handily when opening one =)
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06:27<bar__>heckman: Will it happen soon ? :| My app is completely down
06:27<@heckman>I'm waking the on-call admin up right now.
06:27<bar__>oh. sorry :|
06:28<@heckman>It'll be back up and running ASAP. Promise! :) <3
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06:30<bar__>heckman: I have the 'boot' button, but the shutdown job is stuck so nothing can happen. for 15 minutes now...
06:31<bar__>Can't I remove some jobs ?
06:31<@heckman>bar__: No, an administrator needs to look in to it and do the needful
06:31<bar__>hmm.. ok
06:32<marius>Who'd you wake up? ANyone I know and can mock? :P
06:34<chesty>urmom works at night
06:34<chesty>urmom is a night worker
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06:35<marius>So, who saw harry potter last night? :P
06:36<synapt>thought it didn't even come out until friday?
06:36<bar__>heckman: Any news ?
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06:37<JediMaster>any nginx / php5-fpm users here? I've got a real headache of a problem, no matter what I do I seem to be getting 302 redirects on PHP pages only
06:38<JediMaster>any static .html/.txt/image files work fine
06:38<marius>synapt: world premier last night
06:38<JediMaster>and it's the exact same nginx config as 15 other servers =/
06:38<JediMaster>also, it only appears to do it to http 1.1, lynx, which requests via http 1.0 doesn't get the 302 redirect
06:38<JediMaster>and the location header redirects to itself
06:39<JediMaster>it happens to a php script that is literally just: "test" (no php at all in it)
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06:58<JediMaster>oh ffs, I've just --purge'd php5-fpm and nginx* and reinstalled it all with the same config as another server and it's still doing it!
06:59<JediMaster>ok, nm, think I've found it
07:00<@heckman>SO what was it?
07:00*heckman fails at only capitaliazing the first letter
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07:01<JediMaster>heckman: a weird one
07:01<JediMaster>well we moved them off their old host recently...
07:01<JediMaster>and I setup their old machine to reverse proxy through apache to the new site so that everyone could see the new site instantly while the dns changed over...
07:02<JediMaster>well the dns, that is still with their old host for the moment, just reverted back to the old ip....
07:02<JediMaster>so it's the reverse proxy playing up
07:02<@heckman>o_O that'll cause oddities.
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07:02<JediMaster>took an hour before I actually checked the ip lol
07:02<JediMaster>because I could see the content changing on static .txt files on the new server heh
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07:11<+linbot>New news from forums: pacman -Syu from Linode image in General Discussion <>
07:15*JediMaster kicks clients for doing stupid crap
07:15<JediMaster>honestly, they panic when their site goes down, cause 1.5 hours of work only to find their head office cocked it up by changing nameservers AND A records without telling us and wonder why it's broken
07:16<Louis6321>^ lol
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07:47<jude_lost>hi ...
07:48<jude_lost>any sys admin freelancer here?
07:48<jude_lost>i need to optimize my linode box
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08:05<navi>jude_lost: What issues are you having?
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08:11<jude_lost>navi: slow
08:11<jude_lost>always error 503
08:11<jude_lost>somehow, free -m shows a lot of memory
08:11<jude_lost>i mean free memory
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08:13<navi>Are you swapping?
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08:21<jude_lost>but yeah, sometimes
08:21<jude_lost>Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.
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08:23<@Perihelion>New version of putty? Really?
08:23<straterra>first time in 4 years
08:24<@Perihelion>jude_lost: You may have better luck on the forums...not everyone lurks IRC/it's still early in some places
08:24<AlexC_>jude_lost: take a look at your error logs
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08:37<marius>Since when :o
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08:38<marius>still "beta" though xD
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08:46<@heckman>"PuTTY 0.61 is out, after over four years (sorry!), with new features, bug fixes, and compatibility updates for Windows 7 and various SSH server software."
08:47<navi>Compatibility for Windows 7!?!
08:47<Karrde>it's not windows 7 compatible already?
08:47<marius>I don't see any actual changes xD
08:47<Karrde>I've been using it on 7
08:47<marius>apparently is has Win7 aero support now
08:47<Karrde>oh who cares about aero
08:47<navi>It has a new feature - it closes when you think about not needing it any more.
08:48<navi>Some people might call that a "crash", but we call it "intelligent closure".
08:49<@heckman>Ah sweet, he added features for jumplists
08:50<HoopyCat>anonymous fucktions
08:50<deejoe>"closures" amirite?
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09:14<+linbot>New news from forums: Linode pitted against DreamHost PS in Customer Testimonials <> || Use of Travel Credit Cards in Sales Questions and Answers <>
09:19<HoopyCat>due to a sequencing error, i parsed the current channel context as "Linode cereal pitted against DreamHost PS cereal" and i was like "wtf why am i wasting my time with this crunchy raisin bran"
09:19<pronto>mmm rasin bran
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09:28<navi>Due to an error, I read that as raisin barn
09:28<navi>It's Wrong Word Wednesday!
09:28<cereal>Due to an error, I hate cereal killers :(
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09:28<Kuukunen>Is it Wednesday? Yes!
09:33<Kuukunen>Is it Friday? No.
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09:34<navi>Aw, I expected it to say "non."
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10:34<ashirus>hi all. set up a linode (ubuntu, I think) over a year and I can log in using my own server but I can't sudo - not sure how to access root or sudo
10:35<ashirus>I can su root though somehow!
10:36<JshWright>you need to add your normal user to /etc/sudoers if you want it to be able to sudo
10:36<tjfontaine>or to a group that was previously allowed to sudo
10:37<ashirus>ok, /etc/sudoers says anyone in to the sudo group can sudo. how do I add myself to the sudo group
10:37<squircle>ashirus: sudo adduser ashirus sudo
10:37<squircle>ashirus: assuming your username is ashirus
10:37<ashirus>squircle: ta
10:37<tjfontaine>chicken egg problem with squircle's command :P
10:38<squircle>oh, crap
10:38<JshWright>or just su to root when you want to do root stuff
10:38<squircle>ashirus: su to root, then type "adduser ashirus sudo", sorry :P
10:38<ashirus>it's ok, I discovered I could su root and I remebered the root password
10:38<ashirus>from there I could useradd
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10:38<JshWright>I find typing 'su' once to be a lot easier than typing 'sudo' a thousand times...
10:39<squircle>sudo is like my sober second thought
10:39<ashirus>JshWright: I'm too nervous to remain logged in as root - too easy to do something stupid
10:39<jmordica>Hey guys how do I create an srv record for a subdomain in dns manager?
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10:39<jmordica>I don't see a field for a subdomain, only the fqdn
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10:40<+linbot>New news from forums: High resource usage on drupal based website in Performance and Tuning <>
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10:43<yusiye>i have a problem while install webserver on linode
10:43<yusiye>i followed the guide, but my website still shows: It works! This is the default web page for this server.
10:43<yusiye>how to solve this issue?
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10:45<JshWright>what issue?
10:45<yusiye>ive installed wordpress on it, but it still show this default page
10:45<JshWright>sounds like you successfully installed the web server...
10:45<JshWright>did you enable your virtualhost?
10:45<yusiye>s i have
10:46<jmordica>Hey guys how do I create an srv record for a subdomain in dns manager? I don't see a field for a subdomain, only the fqdn.
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10:50<yusiye>where can i check to see if virtualhost setup correctly?
10:50<@caker>apache2ctl -S
10:52<yusiye>xx.xx.xx.xx:80 is a NameVirtualHost default server (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) port 80 namevhost (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) port 80 namevhost (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ Syntax OK
10:53<skione>yuyisye chances are you still have an index.html (or htm) file in your doc root
10:53<yusiye>and ali have all the wp file listeed under /srv/www/
10:54<skione>remove it and you should be fine since html shows before php files,usually
10:54<yusiye>where is the doc root?
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10:54<skione>you just type it, public_html
10:55<skione>chances are you have an index.html and an index.php
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10:55<yusiye>i checked, there's no index.html under public_html
10:56<yusiye>if i type, it only shows 404
10:56<yusiye>so that means the public_html is not linked with the website yet?
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10:57<skione>you do have an index html in your doc root for, what is the DocumentRoot in your conf file for fmnnow? did you restart apache after creating it?
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10:58<dotplus>if I create a new disk (actually a new swap image) in my linode's config profile. how do I rescan from within the xen guest to get access to the new device?
10:58<skione> works so that means whatever folder apache thinks is the doc root for fmnnow it is showing you index.html as the default document. If that isn't in your doc root then apache does not recognize your new domain
10:58<@caker>dotplus: by rebooting
10:58<yusiye> DocumentRoot /srv/www/
10:59<skione>yusiye did you restart apache after creating your conf file?
10:59<yusiye>problem resolved
10:59<yusiye>i have to type to use it
10:59<ashirus>hi all. how can I enable X11 so I can run firefox remotely (over ssh via X11 forwarding)
11:00<yusiye>how can link the webiste with and without www to the same website?
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11:00<dotplus>caker: I can't initiate a xm block-attach?
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11:01<skione>yusiye use ServerAlias property in your conf file
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11:02<yusiye>i have serveralias, should i add another one? serveralias,
11:03<ashirus>currently if I try to launch firefox remotely (X11 forwarding over ssh ), it says "Error: no display specified"
11:04<skione>you need at least a ServerName property which I am guessing is, and then any additional hostnames you use the ServerAlias property and that would be (i normally reverse that behavior but it shouldn't matter)
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11:05<yusiye>skione, i have the other way around, ServerName ServerAlias
11:05<skione>Again it shouldn't matter but you need to restart apache after you make changes to the conf (or reload)
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11:07<mrevd>hey all, trying to purge deny hosts and i'm getting a strange error. DenyHosts could not obtain lock (pid: 17601) [Errno 17] File exists: '/var/run/'
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11:07<yusiye>unforturnally it is still a problem is 404, but works
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11:10<skione>close your browser and re-open or try a different browser
11:14<skione>are you sure that is not in another conf file? perhaps the default conf file? if it is set as the ServerName in another conf file it will over ride the serveralias in any other. And your default conf gets loaded before this one anyway. Which OS are you running?
11:14<yusiye>ubuntu 10.04
11:16<skione>so go into /etc/apache/ and type grep -r * and see which files it shows up in.
11:16<skione>you did restart apache when I told you yes?
11:18<yusiye>this is the result
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11:22<HoopyCat>yusiye: hmm... pastebin the output of "apache2ctl -S" ?
11:23<skione>yusiye: that all looks right but apache is behaving as if has a different doc root than
11:24<yusiye> output of apache2ctl -S
11:24<skione>there you go
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11:24<skione>your answer is right there
11:24<skione>HoopyCat: good one!
11:25<yusiye>should i del port 80 namevhost (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) this line?
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11:25<skione>curious why that didn't show up in the grep
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11:28<j-node>Question: One of my domains moved to another node, I stupidly forgot to remove my linode dns entry & the other guy switched his dns from his registrar to linode before verifying he had zone records with linode. He cranked all times to minimum (5 mins) about a 1/2 hour ago but things appear to be still pointing to my ip. Any idea when propagation might start happening?
11:28<yusiye>HoopyCat, how to correct this problem now? im new to this
11:29<j-node>I've tried from a couple different locations & have flushed dns on the client machines.
11:29<HoopyCat>yusiye: what does "hostname -f" output? i suspect it thinks the system hostname is '', so it is using it as the default. "a2dissite default" (or a2dissite 000-default?) should get rid of the assumption, i think
11:29<A-KO>j-node: Linode updates its DNS servers every 15 minutes with your zone. Beyond that it depends on your ISP DNS servers
11:29<JshWright>j-node: wait... so where is the DNS coming from, and where did it go to?
11:29<A-KO>and how long they cache
11:29<A-KO>some DNS servers will cache positive responses for quite some time
11:29<HoopyCat>j-node: what's the domain?
11:30<yusiye>hostname -f ->
11:30<j-node>I had it a while back, it moved but since his registrar was doing dns my errant linode entry had no effect.
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11:30<j-node>That's right, maybe I was just getting anxious.
11:30<HoopyCat>yusiye: yup, that's probably what it's doing
11:30<yusiye>yes, thank you HoopyCat skione
11:30<yusiye>its working now!
11:31<skione>anyone have any experience with setting up the High Availability stuff? I am trying to get running on already built servers and I am having some issues
11:31<HoopyCat>j-node: looks ok from here. on your local machine, you can do 'dig' and it'll show you how long your local nameserver is going to keep it cached (assuming you aren't running windows)
11:31<HoopyCat>yusiye: yay!
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11:32<JshWright>j-node: looks like most of the world has it right:
11:32<JshWright>I assume is the old IP?
11:32<HoopyCat>skione: i've done heartbeat for IP flailover, at least... what's it doing/not doing/supposed to be doing?
11:32<j-node>'k, just got antsy. Told the guy I was really sorry, but he should have set up his zone first before switching so I only feel half bad... ;)
11:33<j-node>JshWright: yes
11:33<JshWright>lowering the TTL on the new records won't help anything
11:33<j-node>HoopyCat: hmm, shelled into my own node it shows ns1 to ns5 of linode but still points to the 72.14 address.
11:33<j-node>And now it's updated. Majick!
11:34<JshWright>might as well raise that back to a normal value
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11:34<j-node>I'll tell him. Thanks!
11:34<skione>HoopyCat: I was following the walkthrough in the linode docs and it seems like its really design for servers that are not already configured. I am trying to get HA setup on an already configured web server with a control panel. Was hoping for a good tutorial that would help me out there
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11:35<HoopyCat>j-node: the DNS is pretty much indistinguishable from magic :-)
11:37<kevind1>i'm having significant performance issues on my website and would appreciate any insight anyone can provide.
11:37<skione>mostly I am confused as to why i need more than one partition
11:37<HoopyCat>skione: urk... the control panel is probably going to make it rather difficult (esp. with keeping both servers synchronized). it might actually be easier to do it from scratch: get two nodes, get the HA set up, and then install the control panel and migrate stuff over to the new cluster
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11:38<HoopyCat>skione: there's basically two types of data: stuff that is specific to each instance (configuration, etc), and stuff that is shared in common (applications, data, etc)
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11:41<skione>so the extra partitions are for the shared data? how do I keep the conf files synced? (rsync?)
11:41<skione>should I make a boot partition (small) and a data partition (large)?
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11:49<skione>HoopyCat: I am going to take your suggestion about setting this up on 2 new servers and then migrating. Could you suggest the ideal disk schema as the tutorial appears to work with small disk images I assume for testing and educational purposes. So for instance an 80Gb drive how would you slice it up?
11:50<+linbot>New news from forums: PHP-FPM and nginx tweaks - My server is OOMing (so it seems) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
11:52<HoopyCat>skione: i actually haven't tried the DRBD approach to replication... my "usual" approach is to have a set of servers for database stuff (using MySQL's replication) and then a set of servers for application stuff, with a pair of lightweight load balancers up front (which is where i do the IP failover)... this relies on having applications that are aware of multiple database servers and a budget, tho
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11:53<HoopyCat>skione: it also relies on being able to declare "THOU SHALT NOT WRITE DATA TO THE FILESYSTEM" :-) we're using chef to handle configurations and deployments, which cuts down on inter-node syncing
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11:53<skione>HoopyCat: that is how I normally do it too but I wanted to try the cluster approach as it looked cool and looked like it had some advantages not the least of which is less servers
11:55<skione>Is there any documentation on how, exactly, the linode IP failover works? Like if server1 is down, does it automatically assign that IP to server2? cause then I can just use rsync and mysql replication
11:56<@caker>skione: enabling it just allows that IP to be brought up on those Linodes. The rest is up to you
11:58<skione>so heartbeat does the actual detection and assigning?
11:59<@caker>not limited to heartbeat, but sure
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11:59<HoopyCat>skione: yup... it works roughly like it would on "real" servers on a "real" ethernet (sans multicast/broadcast, but most tools are happy doing unicast)
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12:05<skione>thanks guys!
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12:05<@jed>ever done IPv6 gratuitous ARP? I had to resort to scapy
12:06<+linbot>New news from forums: install acroread on Debian Lenny in General Discussion <>
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12:24<yusiye>anyone who had sftp access available to wordpress?
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12:24<yusiye>i can access it on winscp
12:25<yusiye>but not within wordpress
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12:32<+linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Getting Started with NodeBalancers <> || NodeBalancer Reference Guide <>
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12:53<paulionvc>in a new member and am having some issues getting setup
12:54<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
12:54<paulionvc>oh ok
12:55<paulionvc>im going thru the getting started guide and am confused with the updating /etc/hosts part
12:55<paulionvc>is the systems domain name the name next to my IP address on the remote access section?
12:56<navi>Node balancers are looking awesome
12:57<navi>Just one question... "A single NodeBalancer automatically scales to 5,000 concurrent connections. Additional capacity can be had if need be"
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12:57<navi>Is that additional capacity free or a certain charge?
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12:58<navi>I mean, is it like the cap on our bandwidth where it can be changed and is just a precaution against excessive bandwidth
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12:59<navi>s/cap on our bandwidth/cap on our speed/
13:01<yusiye>question: how to give a new user write permission from vsftpd?
13:01<JshWright>paulionvc: the /etc/hosts section is pretty optional for most use cases
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13:03<JshWright>paulionvc: yep, safe to skip that step for a basic LAMP stack
13:03<JshWright>if you _do_ want to put something there, it should be the fqdn for that server
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13:05<paulionvc>and that fqdn is the name next to my IP address
13:05<paulionvc>i just dont know what that is
13:06<JshWright>paulionvc: it'll be
13:06<JshWright>or just hostname if you don't have a domain name
13:06<paulionvc>thats where im confused
13:06<AlexC_>paulionvc: the full line should read something like 'your-ip-addr fqdn hostname'
13:07<JshWright>do you have a domain name?
13:07<HoopyCat>paulionvc: "out of the box", it'll be something like this will work well, tho many folks (especially those with multiple computers to maintain) prefer to give their computers more meaningful names
13:07<paulionvc>the domain name part.
13:07<paulionvc>i own a few .com's on godaddy that i'll be using, but is this domain referring to a domain like in windows
13:08<HoopyCat>paulionvc: it's a DNS domain... usually, you'll want to use your "company" domain name (kinda like you would in windows, yeah)
13:08<JshWright>(the real answer is "kinda", but for your purposes, "no" will suffice)
13:08<JshWright>for instance, I use, even though my node has multiple domains pointed at it
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13:09<paulionvc>let me read thru this and try to absorb it
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13:28<paulionvc>ok, so lets say my linode public ip is and i changed my hostname to be usnyprd01, and i guess my system name is the, how should my hosts file look for this? sans the order and format which i know how it should look, is this the corrent information is should put on there, or should i use one of the .com names i own?
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13:31<retro|blah>paulionvc: I think you can do both. usnyprd01
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13:35<auraka>node balancers eh
13:39<NewbUser>Are the servers being funky for anyone else? Particularly Dallas nodes?
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13:47<AlexC_>paulionvc: you setup your 'hostname', this could be 'foo'. Then you need to edit /etc/hosts to make it something like this: ' foo'. The '' is the FQDN, this should have a DNS A/AAAA entry that matches that IP address
13:47<AlexC_>paulionvc: then, it's also a good idea to setup RDNS for your IP to the FQDN
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13:48<AlexC_>paulionvc: when you've configured this correctly, the output of `hostname` and `hostname -f` should be 'foo' and ''
13:49<AlexC_>paulionvc: please don't PM me
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13:50<paulionvc>sorry Alex, I dont know how to msg back the way you messaged me
13:50<nDuff>paulionvc, AlexC_ was just speaking to you in the channel with your name in front of each line.
13:50<AlexC_>in most IRC clients, you can start typing someones name and then hit tab to autocompete it
13:50<paulionvc>ok, thanks
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13:51<paulionvc>that was a great breakdown Alex, thanks.
13:52<paulionvc>im gonna go ahead and implement and hope it all works out
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13:57<dand>does ubuntu on linode comes with the ntp package installed by default?
13:57<HoopyCat>dand: i believe it does
13:57<dand>HoopyCat: standard ubuntu server doesn't comes with it, right?
14:00<retro|blah>Even if it doesn't, you should be able to apt-get install ntp without much hassle
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14:00<HoopyCat>dand: ubuntu-minimal includes ntpdate (apt-cache showpkg ubuntu-minimal), but it doesn't look like openntpd is included by the default baseline ubuntu installs
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14:04<dand>HoopyCat: thanks
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14:07<bob2>512-ish pricing, slighly surprising
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14:09<tjfontaine>bob2: surprising on which side?
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14:09*jed leans forward
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14:10<bob2>tjfontaine: kinda expected tiered pricing by simultaneous connections, starting at ~$10ish [based on 0 idea of the costs of providing it]
14:10<tjfontaine>bob2: nod
14:11<@jed>look at it this way: it's an alternative to setting up two HA Linodes (we have more in the cluster) and the time involved to set up the load balancing solution of your choice
14:11<tjfontaine>I can see that's how you want me to look at it
14:12<joshowens>jed: Did you see this?
14:12<@jed>I did, thanks for putting it up :)
14:12<bob2>I think it is very reasonably priced, just not what I expected
14:12<@jed>you covered up the nyan cat on the monitor behind me, I was really sad
14:13<@jed>that was my little easter egg
14:13<joshowens>ah, sorry
14:13<joshowens>working on getting new software so I don't cover stuff up
14:13<@jed>what do you use now? iMovie?
14:13<joshowens>jed: can you guys tweet that maybe?
14:13<joshowens>Nah, I use ishowuhd
14:14<joshowens>I am going to pick up wirecast so I can live stream and flip around between video sources, etc
14:14<@jed>that'd be cool. was surprised you didn't swap A/B as people talked, but that could get repetitive
14:14<dand>it's not clear what a NodeBalancers is from the new articles
14:14<HoopyCat>bob2: a competing product is $0.015/hr plus $0.015/hr/100-concurrent-connections, where concurrent connections are measured by average utilization over said hour based on 5-minute polling intervals
14:15<dand>is it a linode service? is it a package you install?
14:15<HoopyCat>bob2: which starts getting yaaaagh mathy
14:15<@jed>it's a linode service, dand
14:15<bob2>HoopyCat: I don't know what that adds up to but it sure sounds cheap!
14:15<HoopyCat>bob2: about $20/mo
14:15<tjfontaine>look at all the .0's in it
14:15<bob2>HoopyCat: hahahaha
14:15<dand>jed: the first paragraph is not clear:
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14:16<@jed>the howto is intended for after you're familiar with it, but I'll look at being extra specific
14:17<dand>jed: maybe a link to this page and changing few words will help. thanks
14:17<HoopyCat>dand: basically, the nodebalancer gives you one external IP address and directs the connections to multiple linodes... so, you get to put 1 IP address in the DNS instead of having all of them (and being some percentage broken when one of the linodes goes down)
14:18<dand>HoopyCat: sounds cool
14:18<HoopyCat>(haven't R'dTFM yet, so i'm not sure if that's exactly what it says already)
14:20<@heckman>The manual, read it!
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14:36<gregr>Re the node balancers - I love that it's 5000 connections for $20/mo - I thought it was going to be more like 100 connections based on the beta info...
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14:41<flowbee>the Content-Type: / Content-Transfer-Encoding / Content-Disposition seem to be sent with every email i send via actionmailer (rails 2.3.11) anyone know how to get rid of it? see:
14:41<flowbee> i know a bit offtopic :p
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14:43<AviMarcus>gregr, there's pricing somewhere?
14:45<AviMarcus>5000. wow.
14:45<tjfontaine>hope your webapp can support that :P
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14:47<hawk>flowbee: Why don't you want that?
14:48<hawk>flowbee: Looks like a good thing to me
14:48<flowbee>hawk, i was getting complaints from users that said they were seeing it in their email programs
14:48<flowbee>is that always sent in outgoing emails
14:48<flowbee>or is it the fault of the email recipients mail program
14:48<tjfontaine>what client?
14:48<flowbee>thats a good question and i should ask her
14:48<HoopyCat>flowbee: do you have the complete raw contents of an example e-mail? (gmail's "Show original" works)
14:49<hawk>flowbee: Show an example of the whole mail
14:49<flowbee>ok one sec
14:49<HoopyCat>there should be a couple headers that tell the mail client to expect a multipart payload
14:49<hawk>flowbee: It is normal to have that kind of headers for each mime part... but maybe the separators are not correctly formatted or something
14:50<AviMarcus>"Drain - will only recieve connections from clients whose session stickiness points to this node." e.g. "shutdown elegant"
14:50<hawk>AviMarcus: I think you mean ie
14:50<AviMarcus>hmm, yeah
14:51<hawk>AviMarcus: (and gracefully would probably be the more typical choice of words)
14:51<AviMarcus>it's actually freeswitch's shutdown switch
14:52<flowbee>i sent a test email with actionmailer; and here is the raw output:
14:52<flowbee>it looks like i'm sending it twice; when i only want to use plain/text encoding
14:53<flowbee>but what do you folks think
14:53<hawk>It's a bit odd how the first part in the multipart is also specified as being multipart
14:55<flowbee>you mean the same text is being sent twice?
14:55<flowbee>once as multipart and the next time as plain text?
14:55<hawk>flowbee: That's not what I meant, but if you only have the message in one format it wouldn't need to be multipart at all
14:55<HoopyCat>flowbee: it does look like it is being uselessly redundant... mutt shows it as a multipart/alternative of 1.4 KB containing two text/plain elements of 0.5 KB each, and those elements are identical
14:56<hawk>What I meant is how the message headers specify Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=mimepart_4ddece4966300_1f03..fdbe260de33a
14:56<hawk>And then the first part specifies: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; charset=iso-8859-1
14:56<flowbee>i think i need to get rails to send a single plain-text email
14:56<hawk>Both being specified as multipart/alt being the key
14:57<hawk>I don't know if the multipartness even can be nested
14:57<hawk>But that's what it appears to try to do
14:57<flowbee>well the second seems plain-text
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14:57<HoopyCat>flowbee: i don't see the problem unless i specifically look for it (and any reasonable MUA should handle this OK as well), BUT you're sending twice as much crap :-)
14:57<flowbee>you would send one single plain-text
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14:58<hawk>Well, it is, but the header says it's actually another layer of multipart
14:58<HoopyCat>flowbee: so i think the receipient's MUA is broken, and your mail generator is broken, and everything i'm using is correct
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14:58*HoopyCat knows where he stands on the issues
14:58<hawk>I think the message is broken
14:58<HoopyCat>flowbee: pastebin some code... there might be a red flag somewhere
14:58<HoopyCat>or a red herring
14:59<tjfontaine>and then there were none
14:59<etcetera>yay, no longer a dreamhost customer.
14:59<etcetera>next step, sign up for linode!
14:59<hawk>If the two parts would have had a sensible content type it would have been redundant but ok
14:59<flowbee>HoopyCat, the rails mailer code?
15:00<HoopyCat>In general, user agents that compose multipart/alternative entities must place the body parts in increasing order of preference, that is, with the preferred format last. For fancy text, the sending user agent should put the plainest format first and the richest format last. Receiving user agents should pick and display the last format they are capable of displaying. In the case where one of the alternatives is itself of type "multipart" and ...
15:00<HoopyCat>... contains unrecognized sub-parts, the user agent may choose either to show that alternative, an earlier alternative, or both.
15:01<HoopyCat>-- from RFC 1521, which is so old as to not apply in all probability
15:01<HoopyCat>flowbee: yeah... whatever your code is that is preparing and sending the message
15:01<flowbee>HoopyCat, ok give me a few moments
15:02<hawk>HoopyCat: I just keep thinking that the first part which specifies that it's another layer of multipart but actually isn't may be what freaks the MUA out
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15:05<HoopyCat>hawk: it is an interesting edge case... the lack of a boundary attribute would probably cause me to inherit the boundary attribute from the outside, which'd cause the stuff before the next boundary to be considered preamble. mutt is not doing that, 'course.
15:07<HoopyCat>man, this is weird :-)
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15:08<hawk>HoopyCat: Well, the inner multipart is specified as being encoded as quote-printable, but it has bare = signs
15:08<flowbee>it appears i can send only certain templates :
15:08<flowbee>i.e. plain text only. going to try that
15:08<hawk>HoopyCat: If you literally let it "swallow" the rest
15:08<flowbee>by default actionmailer does multi part unless you specify explicit templates to render
15:09<marius>[21:08:38] <@Marius> FUCK
15:09<marius>[21:08:41] <@Marius> a joomla's been exploited
15:09<marius>[21:08:49] <@Marius> 300k emails in the out queue on our mail server
15:09<tjfontaine>ha ha ha
15:09<hawk>marius: That's a notable amount of mail
15:09<tjfontaine>postsuper to the rescue
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15:09<marius>hawk: It's also not a surprise when you read the "joomla" bit :P
15:10*HoopyCat pets his joomla->django translation .sql
15:10<marius>now i need to finr out which user is doing it >_<
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15:10<marius>hmm, if I stop exim4, I should also kill the smtp connector I believe
15:11<marius>o, or sendmail
15:12<HoopyCat>netstat -ntlp, look for port 25; if it is sendmail, rejoice: it'll take days for it to send that much mail
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15:12<marius>HoopyCat: it isn't I bet
15:13<marius>because the alarm went off on our windows mail server that it sends through because the outbound queue jumped too high
15:13<marius>So the mail is already out of the linux box (well, the linux is still trying to forward more of them)
15:13<marius>and of course the joomla admin guy STILL hasn't set up proper senders on his emails so I am having ah ard time identifying where it's coming from (what user)
15:14<HoopyCat>hahahahaha windows mail server
15:14<marius>Think I found it
15:14<marius>why would a file named Susan.php be in an images folder
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15:14<marius>yup, it's the one :D
15:14<marius>disabling website.
15:14<HoopyCat>isn't urmom named susan?
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15:16<marius>but not Susan.php?
15:16<HoopyCat>urmom's too big for a flatfile, so she has to be dynamically rendered
15:16<marius>ooooh, nice one
15:17<@stan_theman>HoopyCat has been replaced with a mikegrb clone
15:17<niftylettuce>dang linode sponsoring node knockout \o
15:17<kronos003>hey has anyone played with the new gnome 3? i was talking to somone on the fedora channel and they were telling me there is a way to rip offgnome3 and put gnome2.3 on instead. i wonder what the implications of this are?
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15:18<marius>4402 requests to that one file, each request sent to on average 100 emails
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15:20<marius>2 single IPs doing the calling, they don't resolve though
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15:22<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: need to interface with so that i can have one-click user adjustment logistics
15:22<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, do you know how to find the guy that runs the PBX for "kol mevaser" - 1-212-444-1100 ? I want a direct sip address :P
15:23<marius>HoopyCat: waso n my way there when my boss just called xD
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15:24<marius>awww, it's some hosting company
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15:24<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: no eruv status report? i'm disappointed
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15:25<AviMarcus>heh. I don't use them, but I see the number from several people several times a day on my calling card
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15:27<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, what do you know of religious Jews and their eruv statuses?
15:30<HoopyCat>AviMarcus: i live within the rochester eruv and know what it means. i also hang out in #linode
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15:31<AviMarcus>linode mentions Jewish stuff much? :o
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15:37<marius>outbound queues killed, temporary blacklsits lifted *phew*
15:37<marius>Now I can start tracing these sons of bitches and find out what they've been up to ^-^ (This is the most fun part tbh)
15:39<flowbee>i got it fixed folks thanks everyone
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15:39<flowbee>i am now able to send one plain text email
15:39<flowbee>for deliberability; does plain text work better than multipart mail?
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15:41<marius>flowbee: at least with plaintext you know everyone can read it ;)
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15:42<supadhyay>hey guys
15:42<supadhyay>a quick question about the nodebalancer
15:42<supadhyay>does it do HTTP/1.1 both ways?
15:46<marius>oh this is sneaky, there's 3 functions, and they even send attachments
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15:47<+linbot>New news from forums: Performance issues on my wordpress site in Performance and Tuning <>
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16:02<paulionvc>Can I setup 2 installs of Ubuntu on the same linode - (one for production and the other for development0?
16:02<tjfontaine>you can configure your disk space however you like, but you can only boot one configuration at a time per node
16:03<paulionvc>ok. thanks tj
16:03<tjfontaine>you're welcome
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16:19<retro|blah>Hm so I'm upgrading tmux from 1.4 to 1.5. I wonder if it'll let me reattach after I've upgraded this time ...
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16:19<retro|blah>Let's find out :D
16:20<Yaakov>Wow, Comcast is getting very aggressive with their IPv6 testing. ~100 rapid-fire IPv4 gets on /, followed by ~50 IPv6.
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16:22<auraka>I love it...linode launches a new feature and six other feature requests pop up on that feature
16:23<Nivex>auraka: ?
16:23<auraka>Nivex: with the new load balancers people are already asking for ssl termination and caching
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16:46<tjfontaine>excuse me?
16:46<retro|blah>Hm, I was able to reattach
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17:05<AviMarcus>is there a reason both my ubuntu 10.04 boxes have free -m showing 425 mb of ram only?
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17:07<mdcollins>The kernel reserves some memory for itself.
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17:09<mdcollins>That does seem a bit high, I thought it usually reserved closer to 30mb..
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17:10<@caker>AviMarcus: which bitness?
17:10<tjfontaine>AviMarcus: you'll need to be more specific, are you using linode supplied kernel, are you in 32 or 64?
17:10<AviMarcus>linode supplied, 64
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17:10<tjfontaine>64bit means moar bits
17:10<tjfontaine>(eaten by the kernel by default)
17:10<AviMarcus>that much? I thought I remember seeing it much higher when I first set it up
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17:11<tjfontaine>buy another node, and spin it up and see
17:12<tjfontaine>oh dear god
17:12<brods>my poor eyes
17:13<AviMarcus>tjfontaine, sounds like a good idea.
17:15<@jed>I read that in the heavy voice
17:18<Kyhwana>jed: <3
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17:30<Yaakov>No one helped that person.
17:30<bytemask_>he didn't deserve help.
17:30<Kyhwana>Yaakov: I think because he's probably screwed
17:31<Yaakov>But... jed was there.
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17:53<AviMarcus>HoopyCat, have you seen ? a place to bridge telemarketers to?
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18:00<@jed>Yaakov: yes?
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18:01<@jed>you seem sure he wasn't helped
18:01<mdcollins>PM ftw!
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18:22<Yaakov>jed: When he left he still had a spot on his lung.
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18:27<marius>So I jsut did "exit" to logodd ssh and got am essage I've never seen before
18:27<dr_jkl>what message?
18:27<marius>id didn't log me out, but instead told me "There are stopped jobs."
18:27<dr_jkl>type jobs
18:27<dr_jkl>you have a suspended process
18:27<dr_jkl>'fg pid' will get it back
18:28<dr_jkl>you can just type exit to quit anyway
18:28<marius>I ^C'ed to leave a tail -f I had running
18:28<dr_jkl>marius: accidentally ^Z something?
18:28<marius>heh, that was a new one any way
18:28<marius>Thanks though =)
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18:30<dominikh>no wonder your joomlas are getting hacked :P
18:30<marius>not my joomlas ,)
18:30<marius>I'd never run joomla my self :P
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18:30<dominikh>you just allow other, incapable people to run it on your servers/in your network? :P
18:30<marius>no, I maintain the server and have to do the deployments
18:30<marius>but joomlas a nightmare
18:31<marius>securitypatches like every week and shit >_>
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18:31<dominikh>try drupal
18:31<Kyhwana>damn jobs
18:31<dominikh>update it and all your plugins stop working, as well as your themes :P
18:31<marius>that's the thing with joomla as well :P
18:31<marius>hence why 1.7RC1 is out
18:31<marius>but these are still stuck on 1.5.23
18:32<dominikh>got the addresses? I still need more valid emails and passwords!
18:32<Kyhwana>dr_jkl: isn't that a bash thing? or does it work across all shells?
18:32<dominikh>all jobs that support background jobs; pretty much all of them
18:32<dominikh>s/all jobs/all shells/
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18:38*Yaakov hacks marius' Joomlas.
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18:46<dr_jkl>what dominikh said
18:47*dr_jkl curls up
18:47<dr_jkl>hurt so bad today :(
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19:05<Kyhwana>dr_jkl: eep, the legs again?
19:06<dr_jkl>no, that's more a evening thing
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19:06<dr_jkl>i have cysts in.... places.
19:06<dr_jkl>they're angry with me today.
19:07<dr_jkl>and when they're angry it feels like getting machete'd in the groin. :(
19:09<dr_jkl>(aren't you glad you asked heh)
19:09<+linbot>New news from forums: Installing NetBSD - Looking for opinion in General Discussion <>
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20:06<Kyhwana>dr_jkl: doh *hugs*
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20:10<encodium>Hey, qq - I'm unable to dig my hostname for a TXT record when the 'Name' of the TXT record is the actual domain
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20:10<encodium>For example, 'dig TXT' works
20:11<encodium>but not 'dig TXT'
20:11<encodium>I expect the last one to return my SPF record
20:11<encodium>Any ideas?
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20:12<squircle>encodium: probably 'cause there is no TXT record for the domain root
20:13<encodium>squircle: You mean, I should leave the Name field empty when I add a TXT record for SPF in the linode manager?
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20:13<squircle>encodium: yes
20:13<encodium>squicle: Thanks, I'll try that .. actually, for 'A' records, linode automatically adjusts this .. I guess not so much for TXT ..
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20:14<encodium>I guess linode is trying to help people like me ;)
20:14<squircle>encodium: for example, "dig -in TXT"; i did that leaving the name field blank
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20:14<squircle>encodium: no problem; let me know if it doesn't work :)
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20:22<kimus>is Resize Disk feature broken? is resizing the disk for 6 minutes :-S
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20:23<purrdeta>takes a while sometimes
20:23<purrdeta>but it isnt broken
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20:23<kimus>hi, define "a while"? 15m? can be more?
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20:24<purrdeta>I'm not sure, I cant remember but I think last time I did it it was like 10 minutes or so...
20:24<HoopyCat>kimus: it does a fsck first, which can take a wee bit. shrinks generally take a little longer than grows, too
20:24<kimus>humm... ok, if it does a fsck. the grow should be fast
20:26<kimus>thanks. i'll wait a bit
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20:31<encodium>squircle: FYI, you can also put a period after the domain name for a TXT DNS record:
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20:47<bss>there is a certain kind of graduation feeling, promoting a node from monthly billing to 24-month cycle
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20:47<purrdeta>lol nice
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21:17<SleePy>One of these days, I should restart my node so I can get that disk space increase.. I haven't had a need to do that yet though :P
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21:19<+linbot>I'm leaving linode for the cloud
21:21<tanto>sleepy i did that this past weekend
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21:23<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: I tried to integrate RevIP with hipmunk but they don't have an API I can use
21:23<+linbot>New news from forums: Email issue for in Performance and Tuning <>
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21:32<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: wtf
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21:33<+linbot>New news from forums: Nginx as loadbalancer (Round Robin) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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21:34<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: hey, blame them
21:35<SelfishMan>I was going to add a "Report abuse" link that linked to customized hipmunk results
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21:38<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: the link should be labelled "Handle abuse"
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21:39<SelfishMan>HoopyCat: You know what this means, right?
21:39<SelfishMan>Now I have to make a site that does everything does just so I can have that "Handle abuse" link
21:39<SelfishMan>or maybe I can use XSS
21:40<HoopyCat>SelfishMan: they plundered much of reddit's engineering staff, so yeah, prolly
21:40<Kyhwana>dr_jkl: what was your broken thing? :P
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21:41<mdcollins>What do you guys think of a community driven munin template website?
21:41<HoopyCat>like for making the web pages look somewhat less 1998?
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21:42<mdcollins>but specific to munin, yeah.
21:42<mdcollins>Cause there is literally one template other than the default
21:42<HoopyCat>that's about twice as many as i knew existed
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21:43<HoopyCat>i dunno... i think it's a good idea, but i don't see myself bothering to use it
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21:49<orionv>how hard would it be to migrate about 25 sites with wordpress installs from hostgator shared and some other mysql stuff like analytics over to a vps? have no linux knowledge whatsoever
21:50<orionv>been using cpanel
21:53<tjfontaine>with no linux knowledge it might be a bit frustrating
21:53<avenj>weeeellll... you might have to gain some linux knowledge. but once you've over that hill, you're free! :)
21:54<tjfontaine>I wouldn't want my first jump into linux to be that far down though :)
21:54<tjfontaine>avenj: ^5
21:54<avenj>tjfontaine: I like you, you can cover to my house an- you know what, never mind
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21:54<avenj>er, 'come over' -- sorry, sgt. hartmann
21:55<tjfontaine>orionv: for an average linux sysadmin the task you describe should be a walk in the park
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21:56<checkers>if I resize a linode to a smaller size, do I need to shrink the disk by hand first
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21:56<tjfontaine>orionv: there are people here in channel and on the forums who do contract work, you could even pay them to install cpanel (with a license you've previously purchased) such that you are comfortable admining it again
21:56<tjfontaine>checkers: yes
21:56<SleePy>tjfontaine, What if the city closed the park :|
21:57<tjfontaine>SleePy: high school track?
21:57<orionv>i don't think i'd want cpanel once i migrated everything over since i'm sure there's some cheaper alternative that would do what i'd need
21:57<avenj>SleePy: not to worry, they'll continue to pay people to tell you not to walk in the park for many years after the park's closure due to budget cuts
21:57<orionv>any idea of how much hiring someone to hlep setting things up and migrating things over would cost?
21:58<checkers>tjfontaine: ta
21:58<tjfontaine>orionv: there are indeed cheaper-to-free alternatives, and pricing can vary wildly
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21:58<orionv>do you have any thoughts on hostgator's vps's?
21:59<tjfontaine>I am a linode man through and through
22:00<encode>tjfontaine: does that mean you use the linode node balancer to distribute load between brain hemispheres?
22:01<tjfontaine>encode: you know it
22:03<etcetera>is the 7 day return policy, business days?
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22:03<tjfontaine>calendar days
22:03<tjfontaine>pro-rata is based on calendar days as well
22:04<encode>that would be calendar days as specified by the Gregorian calendar
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22:11<HoopyCat>random reading of the day:
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22:17<zivester>is there a service that exists to lookup all the domains owned by email address? ie. if is the adminstrative contact shown for a whois, is there a way to see what other domains is also the administrator for?
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22:17<Kyhwana>not easilly
22:18<squircle>zivester: i know DomainTools does it for a fee
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22:20<zivester>that looks perfect... tx squircle
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22:21<zivester>$200 for this report... eek... luckily I really only care about how many this person owns.. that seems... expensive to the say the least
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22:45<pixl>Must be the storm fallout.
22:45<pixl>Glad that I have AT&T :)
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23:14<morton>So I've got a weird problem. In Chromium, form submits on my Linode (ubuntu, nginx, php) dont work. Locally (MAMP), though, they work just fine.
23:15<morton>Any thoughts on what I should investigate?
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23:15<Kyhwana>check your code? or check chrome isn't blocking javascript or something?
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23:16<morton>I don't think anything wrong with the code. I figure it might be an nginx conf or header issue. Javascript seems to work fine
23:17<morton>It's posting via the old fashion <button type="submit"> anyways, so that shouldn't be the problem
23:17<morton>Fwiw, the issue occurs in Chromium, but not Chrome :)
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23:20<HoopyCat>right click, inspect element, load page with form, submit page with form, check the network tab
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23:21<morton>ok followed you to inspect element
23:21<morton>what do i do next?
23:22<morton>ohh nvm
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23:22<morton>i dont think i have a network tab. odd
23:23<HoopyCat>i'm not familiar with chromium, but it exists in chrome (and you'll probably want to get a good known-working baseline anyway)
23:23<morton>ok cool
23:23<HoopyCat>it's awesome for seeing what's going out over the wire
23:24<morton>ah that is pretty cool
23:24<morton>i can see the post
23:25<HoopyCat>in other news, i have a headache the size of peoria, and am going to bed.
23:25<+linbot>New news from forums: High resource usage on drupal based website in Performance and Tuning <>
23:26<morton>Thanks for your help -- hope you feel better
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23:27<StevenK>HoopyCat: 46 square miles? Nice.
23:27<HoopyCat>morton: np. good luck! and if this is the first time you've fired up that thing, look around. the DOM is your oyster
23:28<HoopyCat>StevenK: feels like it
23:28<morton>Haha thanks! it just might be :) night
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23:49<MTecknology>I see a new feature
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23:52<MTecknology>Perihelion: oh
23:52<@Perihelion>It's out of beta now
23:52<@Perihelion>sleep~ o/
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23:59<+linbot>Point (0.34461026, 0.43709080) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 98994 of 125714 (π ≈ 3.149816249582385 - 0.008223595992592). http://π
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