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---Logopened Sun Jul 17 00:00:01 2011
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00:04<praetorian>navi: as they use to say in high school. it sits on it, and rotates
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00:32<zap>I am setting up my google apps service,should I change the MX settings in linode DNS manager or my registar ?
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00:36<+linbot>New news from forums: CentOS 6 in General Discussion <>
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00:53<amitz>gonee with the wind
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01:50<+linbot>New news from forums: SMTP - PHP MAILER - CCV ALL COUNTRY FOR SALE in Beta Archive <>
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01:54<amitz>comes in 20 colors is... weird
01:57<mig5>hossam had the right idea.
02:04<ksdf2>how do i find out what app is hogging disk i/o?
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02:06<ksdf2>i just had a spike to 50k blocks/sec (super weird), and was disk reading up around 40-50mb every sec.. didn't know what to do so i restart httpd and it seems to be back to normal now
02:06<ksdf2>fek lol
02:06<ksdf2>bandwidth, cpu seem normal tho
02:08<ksdf2>will start sniffing around apache logs
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02:20<+linbot>New news from forums: Mail Server Migration in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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02:32*newbie greets all
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03:21<newbie>sam350: rather quiet in here eh?
03:29<+linbot>New news from forums: varnish - how to implement in Performance and Tuning <>
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03:33<unni>I am on linode manager
03:33<unni>But I am not able to see any option to set the RDNS for my IP address
03:33<unni>is there any option to do that ?
03:33<retro|blah>It should be under Remote Access
03:34<unni>yes, I missed that one
03:34<unni>thanks man
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03:39<newbie>does there seem to be a problem with LISH using Google Chrome?
03:39<retro|blah>People have reported better experiences working with the ajaxterm in Firefox
03:39<newbie>seems to "freeze" after some use
03:40<retro|blah>But if you can access LISH through SSH, that is best
03:40<newbie>retro|blah: thought so..just checking if the powers to be were aware of "worse experiences" under chrome
03:40<retro|blah>Yeah, known issue
03:40<newbie>retro|blah: only needed it for a brief period..usually use PuTTY
03:41<newbie>the moving targets that be different web browsers...ahh..the joys of web development
03:42<newbie>"reported better experiences"...that's one way of putting it..keep that for future use..
03:49*newbie question - disk images ever need anything like a defrag?
03:50<okrad>linux generally does a pretty good job of managing it on it's own. I've never seen fragmentation above 1%, usually more like 0.5-0.7% on the various servers i've managed
03:51<newbie>okrad: take that as a "no" then. thanks.
03:51<okrad>in general, yes. there could always be an exception
03:52<okrad>im sure if you put in the effort you could make a mess
03:53<newbie>effort = mess...looks like a bad equation
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03:55<okrad>i guess it depends which side of the equation you favour
03:57<okrad>or the equation as a whole. i prefer as little of both as possible :)
03:57*newbie likes to minimise mess...especially if effort was put into it in the 1st place
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04:48<AlexC_>ksdf2: there is iotop
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04:54<axod>is there an easy/simple way to take a "snapshot" of a linode?
04:54<axod>want to have something to go back to if I screw up :)
04:54<@Praefectus>if you have the backup service, ya
04:54<@Praefectus>if not, you'll probly need to download the image
04:55<axod>ah ok,
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05:18<+linbot>New news from forums: APC is supposed to make PHP faster in Performance and Tuning <>
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05:53<jimcooncat>I've had good times with a linode in dallas for years, now I'm making one for a friend, all his visitors will likely be in Maine. Which center should I choose?
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05:53<@Praefectus>newark is closest
05:54<jimcooncat>k thanks
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05:58<ksdf2>figured out what crashed my server / made my disk i/o go wild
05:58<ksdf2>it was just 1 query
05:59<ksdf2>turns out the table is so huge i need to create an index, otherwise the server's resources will be chewing through the table searching for a particular value endlessly
06:00<AlexC_>ksdf2: you should be using indexes regardless of the table size
06:01<ksdf2>apparently it does already... except i have a feeling the indexes need to be rebuilt
06:01<ksdf2>is there any way i can manually index tables?
06:02<Louis6321>I can't get key authentication working on my Fedora 14 Linode. I am following these instructions for DSA pairs:
06:02<Louis6321>Anyone know why it might not work for me? :(
06:03<Louis6321>When I try to ssh in to my linode now it says: Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
06:03<AlexC_>ksdf2: what are you using, MySQL?
06:04<AlexC_>Louis6321: /var/log/auth.log will be your friend. You've not given much to go by, though ensure you have ~/.ssh/authorized_keys with the public key in
06:04<Louis6321>AlexC_, thanks
06:05<AlexC_>and that on the computer you're connecting from, you have the appropriate private key in ~/.ssh/id_rsa for RSA keys
06:06<Louis6321>AlexC_, that log file doesn't exist on my linode and yes I have the key in that folder but it's dsa not rsa
06:07<AlexC_>no /var/log/auth.log on Fedora? I find that hard to believe
06:07*AlexC_ boots up laptop to check
06:07<Louis6321>i type nano /var/log/auth.log
06:07<Louis6321>and it is blank
06:08<Louis6321>it says [ New File ]
06:08<Louis6321>at the bottom
06:08<AlexC_>don't use nano to read files, use less
06:08<Louis6321>[root@li225-211 /]# less /var/log/auth.log
06:08<Louis6321>/var/log/auth.log: No such file or directory
06:09<AlexC_>Louis6321: *shrugs* I don't know where Fedora will keep such logs. Maybe /var/log/messages I am not sure
06:10<retro|blah>You can ls /var/log and see what you actually have in there, heh
06:10<AlexC_>Fedora has lost 2 points in the past 2 days from me :P
06:11<AlexC_>one of them being they've made it impossible to run Apache + PHP-FPM without compiling Apache modules your self, as they don't include the mod_fastcgi module in their repos ><
06:12<Louis6321>awesome... i used less to view a file in LISH and now i'm stuck viewing the file and cant get out of it
06:12<Louis6321>*sigh* i'll have to reboot my linode :(
06:13<AlexC_>press q
06:13<AlexC_>eh ... no
06:13<AlexC_>good god man
06:13<Louis6321>eh i'm still learning
06:13<Louis6321>gimmy a break
06:13<Louis6321>never used less before anyway
06:14<AlexC_>now you'll use it all the time =)
06:14<Louis6321>lol probably
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06:18<AlexC_>I just have to wonder how many times your Linode has been restarted due to unable to exit a program :P
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06:23<Louis6321>and generally I ctrl+c out of it
06:23<Louis6321>but that's crap in LISH
06:23<mig5>I halt my server every night before bed
06:24<mig5>keeps the bogey men out
06:24<Louis6321>this useless key login is STILL not working
06:24<Louis6321>i've tried rsa and dsa keys
06:26<Internat>settle petal
06:26<Louis6321>i aint no petal o.O
06:26<Louis6321>AlexC_, maybe if I reboot my linode it might start working
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06:27<+linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
06:28<Louis6321>Praefectus, maybe you can help me with my ssh key problem please? :)
06:30<@Praefectus>did you follow ?
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06:30<Louis6321>no i followed
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06:31<@Praefectus>sorry, fedoras documentation does not compute
06:32<gadago>Does anyone know if it is possible to migrate my linode in CA to the UK?
06:32<xfader>hi all
06:32<gadago>without a reinstall
06:32<Louis6321>Praefectus, lol okay I'm reading the linode one now
06:32<@Praefectus>gadago: put a ticket in and ask for a migration
06:32<@Praefectus>your ip will change when you switch datacenters though
06:33<gadago>where are the linodes hosted int he UK?
06:33<@Praefectus>London, TeleCity
06:34<gadago>how long does a migration normally take?
06:34<@Praefectus>10-15 min per GB of data
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06:35<gadago>okay thanks
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06:41<Louis6321>Praefectus, I followed the instructions on and it still says Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
06:42<@Praefectus>are you trying to login with root or an added user?
06:42<Louis6321>added user
06:42<@Praefectus>are you putting your key in the users home dir in the .ssh dir?
06:43<Louis6321>the file with .pub on the end I put in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:43<@Praefectus>did you upload the .pub file as well? or just copy it to the authorized_keys file?
06:44<Louis6321>scp ~/.ssh/
06:44<Louis6321>i did that but with my login/hostname
06:44<db>Louis6321: cat file *.pub > ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:44<db>make sure that the .ssh/
06:44<db>folder has 700 permissions
06:44<db>and that the authorized_keys file
06:44<db>has 600 permissions
06:44<db>or.. as the user .. chmod 700 .ssh
06:44<db>chmod 600 .ssh/*
06:45<db>to keep it simple
06:45<Louis6321>db, did that, still says Permission denied
06:47<db>did you do that as the user
06:47<db>you want to login as
06:47<db>or as root?
06:47<Louis6321>as the user
06:47<db>and is the contents
06:47<db>of the auth_keys file
06:47<db>on *one* line?
06:48<db>and you see the ssh-rsa blah blah blah
06:48<db>assuming you have an rsa key that is
06:48<Louis6321>yes it's one on line
06:48<Louis6321>on one line*
06:48<db>pm me, so that we arent clogging up the chan :-)
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07:09<Louis6321>db is the most awesome guy in this channel.
07:09<Louis6321>'nuff said
07:10<db>idk about all that
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07:18<LordMidol>If anyone is alive I have a basic question (sorry, I've had a VPS for 2 days and last used linux over 5 years ago :p) - What's wrong with this:
07:18<LordMidol>Ohhh, it just falls back to the default (site1) even when using
07:21<Kyhwana_>you have two VirtualHost *'s
07:22<ksdf2>@AlexC_: yep mysql
07:22<LordMidol>kywana - I thought that was how I am meant to do it if the IP adress is the same but with multiple domains. Off to do some more reading I guess.
07:23<Kyhwana_>Use NameVirtualHost
07:23<Kyhwana_>and NameVirtualHost
07:24<LordMidol>Thanks :) For some reason this seems as though it should have been the easiest thing to do but I've been scratching my head for the entire 2 days.
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07:50<Kyhwana_>hrr, where is it that I can pay 12 months in advance?
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07:54<@Praefectus>put in a ticket
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08:37<AlexC_>ksdf2: look at CHECK TABLES
08:38<AlexC_>LordMidol: it's easier to have one 'NameVirtualHost *:80' and then do '<VirtualHost *:80'>
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08:45<Kyhwana_>Praefectus: is it still 10% (or 15%?) for 12 months?
08:46<@Praefectus>10% for 12, 15% for 24
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08:55<zap>At what disk IO should I set an alert ?
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08:56<Guest2485>by defaut it is at 1000
08:58<AlexC_>Guest2485: well, are you getting alerts all the time?
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09:06<LordMidol>Man, I love linode already. Tested the load times of my girlfriends rabbit site on dreamhost: 5.6 seconds. load time on linode: 2.4 seconds. Dreamhost seems to have higher download speeds meaning initial load times are a touch faster (by 0.5 seconds) but every load after that linode smashes it.
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09:11<veelion>hi, any support staff??
09:11<Daevien>LordMidol: just network variance / not tweaking your linode as well i expect, linode has fast speeds tii
09:12<+linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
09:12<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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09:14<veelion>ten mins ago, i bought a linode vps, at the last step of 'Sign up' I got an error ' wooo, somethings wrong , plz contact', but my cradit card had payed for it? when I try to login, got the info "pending activation " why?
09:15<Daevien>did you do what it said and send the email?
09:16<veelion>not yet. i think it maybe long via email, so come here for help
09:16<Daevien>you get fast responses from email, they check that constantly, here not as much...
09:16<Daevien>Praefectus: you still around?
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09:17<veelion>thanks, i will try email
09:17<Daevien>looks like prae wandered away. send in an email with your username and what the message it gave you was
09:17<Daevien>you should get a response quite quickly
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09:19<AlexC_>happy Sunday Daevien
09:20<Daevien>hi AlexC_
09:22<LordMidol>Daevien - probably need some tweaking but I'm also located in AUS. I picked the freemantle (or whatever it was) datacenter which I believe offers the fastest speeds to AUS.
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09:24<Daevien>LordMidol: not sure for au right off, you could do tests
09:26<LordMidol>Yeah it is a tie between freemont and dallas
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09:26<LordMidol>both hit roughly the same speeds
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09:26<Daevien>are your users goign to be mostly in .au?
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09:28<LordMidol>Yeah. 99% across all of my sites but only one is being moved to the VPS at least for the first month. I've got 4 main sites.
09:28<Daevien>if so you will want to check the latency, not just how fast stuff downloads which can vary depending on conditions
09:29<LordMidol>latency is hovering around 200ms to freemont.
09:29<Daevien>prob not bad from what i know for .au
09:29<LordMidol>Yeah, pretty damn good. An Aussie vps would get it down further but the costs for aussie servers are huge.
09:29*navi is relieved that there is a data center in his country
09:29<LordMidol>Probably looking at 2-3 times as much, my users don't care that much.
09:29<navi>14ms to London =p
09:30<LordMidol>Jealous :P
09:30<ksdf2>AU = fremont
09:30<ksdf2>lowest hops
09:31<Parallax>I think he already knows that ;)
09:31<ksdf2>heh @ freemantle
09:31<ksdf2>yeah i thought i'd weigh in at the last second
09:31<LordMidol>Lmao :P I don't even know where freemantle is. I'm sure it exists somewhere.
09:31<navi>I'll mention something about this conversation in about 3 hours to make sure I get the last word.
09:32<ksdf2>freeo is near Perth I think, in WA.
09:32<Daevien>according to google, there's a freemantle in .au
09:32<ksdf2>aussie VPS's sux balls all around
09:32<LordMidol>Ahhh. No one cares about perth that's why I probably thought it was overseas :P
09:32<mig5><< melbourne
09:33<Daevien>i get 50 - 60ms to my linode in NJ from nova scotia. might be less if i was on my own connection, my parents router sucks balls
09:33<AlexC_>LordMidol: Freemantle is the company behind shows such as Pop Idle
09:33<AlexC_>Idol, even
09:34<LordMidol><< Sydney
09:34<LordMidol>Pop Idol... Glad I don't watch TV anymore :P With a name like that I don't want to even imagine the kind of music on it.
09:35<AlexC_>oh it's incredible. You get the general public coming on thinking they can sing
09:35<LordMidol>Ohhhh, yes, I know the shows. The auditions are usually quite amusing.
09:36<AlexC_>yeah, the first week or so is the best. Then it just gets crapier
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09:49<@Praefectus>Daevien: jus got home, sup
09:53<Daevien>Praefectus: np, was just someone with a billing prob and didn't seem to want to put in an email at first and i had seen you were active not too long before
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10:01<navi>Oh, how I hate Hash Mismatches.
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10:04<Daevien>yaakov, bringing back the 30s/40s one link at a time :)
10:05<Yaakov>I still have to write about X Minus1 and Dimension X.
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10:06*navi is getting stabby with java
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10:13<Daevien>it's java, everyone gets stabby with it
10:16<Daevien>actually, java usually makes me wantto stab myself
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10:22<+linbot>New news from forums: CentOS 6 in General Discussion <>
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10:36<Daevien>i think that thread has every centos user in it :p
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11:43<marius>What does it mean whe ntheres an asterisk (*) next to the Queue ID in mailq ?
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12:00<+linbot>New news from forums: Debian 6 - iptables in General Discussion <>
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12:23<dvdm>marius: it means that specific entry is in progress att he time of looking at the mailq
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12:27<Louis6321>Can anyone tell me how to create a cron job? I've read some stuff on the intertubes but found it incredibly confusing.
12:28<AlexC_>Louis6321: crontab -e
12:28<Louis6321>AlexC_, yep I got that far
12:28<dvdm>Louis6321: well, what is the schedule that you need to perform?
12:28<AlexC_>Louis6321: where are you stuck now?
12:28<AlexC_>`man crontab` explains it very well and has examples
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12:29<Louis6321>dvdm, */10 * * * * /home/my_username/znc/bin/znc >/dev/null 2>&1
12:29<dvdm>every 10 minutes then.
12:29<dvdm>the problem?
12:29<Louis6321>how do i set it up? I did crontab -e and pasted that in there and saved it
12:29<Louis6321>but it didnt work
12:31<dvdm>replace the ">/dev/null" with ">>/tmp/znc-crontab.log"
12:31<dvdm>so you can see any errors?
12:31<AlexC_>Louis6321: start by removing the redirects; any output from cron shall be emailed to the user which you can then read with 'mutt'
12:31<dvdm>can you run that command manually, and does it work then?
12:31<dvdm>or what AlexC_ says
12:32<tjfontaine>did you put the right my_username in?
12:32<Louis6321>tjfontaine, yes :P
12:32<tjfontaine>always start with the obvious
12:32<Louis6321>ahh i think I know why it didnt work :) 1 sec
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12:33<AlexC_>forgot to make it executable?
12:33<Louis6321>nah the directory "znc" is actually ".znc"
12:33<Louis6321>silly me
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12:34<AlexC_>Louis6321: 'mutt -f /var/mail/my_username' may be what you need to read the email, which would have shown that error
12:35<Louis6321>-bash: mutt: command not found
12:35<AlexC_>install mutt then
12:35<Louis6321>that's wut i'm doin :D
12:36<tjfontaine>less /var/mail/my_username will work too :P
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12:36<dvdm>that is what I always use... less the mailfile
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12:48<Louis6321>bingo :) got the cron working
12:48<Louis6321>thanks guys
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13:05<spade>Hi, just got a 512 Linode. Read just about everything on before buying, but didn't see anything about IP amount restrictions with certain subscriptions. It says I need to open a support ticket to get another IP.
13:06<spade>(I suppose there's a chance this channel will now idle for 7 hours)
13:06<Yaakov>spade: You can have one additional IP by requesting it.
13:06<spade>I just did..
13:06<Yaakov>spade: You can get more by justifying it.
13:06<Yaakov>spade: You can get 4096 IPv6 addresses by requesting them.
13:07<spade>Yaakov, what on earth are you doing here, btw?
13:07<Yaakov>But IPv4 is pretty tight because of IPv4 depletion.
13:07<spade>Right... They're running out. :\
13:07<Yaakov>Why wouldn't I be here?
13:07<spade>I dunno.
13:07<Steve^>I am also here
13:07<Steve^>are we missing a party?
13:07<czr_>me too
13:08<Yaakov>Yes, there's Steve^ and czr_.
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13:08<spade>(I know Yaakov from other channels and networks)
13:08<jkwood>I'm not eating lunch, but I don't think there's a party.
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13:08<czr_>maybe we should throw one
13:08<Yaakov>spade: I am many places.
13:08<czr_>a cloud party to remember
13:08<Steve^>We are the party
13:08<+linbot>I'm leaving linode for the cloud
13:09<avenj>I have the cloud in my garage.
13:09<spade>I don't really know how IPv6 works.
13:09<Yaakov>spade: Now's a great time to learn!
13:09<avenj>spade: kind of like ipv4, except that addresses are hard to memorize
13:09<Yaakov>I am seeing more IPv6 traffic every week.
13:10<Yaakov>spade: I do pretty well with two IPv4 addresses and vhosts.
13:10<spade>How does a client with an IPv4 address connect to an IPv6 address?
13:10<czr_>google is indexing via ipv6 now_
13:10<czr_>spade, via a proxy gateway
13:10<Yaakov>spade: If you'd read my blog you would have been here sooner!
13:10<spade>So it's almost like v4 to v6 NAT?
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13:10<spade>Yaakov, I've read the HP Insert Coin article.
13:10<czr_>no, closer to a proxy. :-)
13:10<Yaakov>spade: 6to4 stuff, but even people like Comcast are getting ready to go native.
13:11<Yaakov>spade: Insufficient!
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13:12<Yaakov>spade: There's lot's more wonderful goop up there, too.
13:12<Yaakov>And, you can get there IPv6!
13:13<Yaakov>I need to switch my IPv6 addresses from tunnel to native, now that reverse works.
13:13<czr_>hmm. is ipv6 available in london yet btw?
13:13<Yaakov>czr_: That I do not know.
13:13<czr_>(I know I could check this from the web browser, but that'd require me turning a head and typing inconveniently long urls.. or not)
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13:20<jkwood>That should clear up any moment now.
13:20<mwalling>that was messy
13:20<spade>My stupid client doesn't have split detection.
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13:21<jkwood>Anyway, no, there aren't any drawbacks to enabling ipv6. It will happily sit beside ipv4 for most things.
13:21<mwalling>spade: it happened really slow
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13:21<Daevien>mwalling: you breaking irc again?
13:21<mwalling>Daevien: our newark linode is gone
13:22<Daevien>doh, what happened?
13:22<jkwood>Nonsense. I'm the one who breaks things, mwalling just rages.
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13:22<mwalling>Daevien: donno
13:23<Daevien>mwalling: that sucks. time to go beat tj and get into that account :p
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13:24<spade>vhosts or IPv6... does it even make sense that there's that choice when it comes to housing sites?
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13:24<spade>(given you can't get IPv4)
13:24<Yaakov>spade: Today you have to dual stack if anything.
13:25<Yaakov>So you can make real IPv6 hosts and vhosts on your IPv4 addresses.
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13:25<Yaakov>If you actually find that you MUST have more IPv4 addresses, you can get them. But if there is a reasonable way to not use them, Linode will not allocate more.
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13:25<anrxc>my node in newark just powered off, has nothing about it
13:25<anrxc>anyone here does know?
13:26<Yaakov>anrxc: It seems that something happened but no news yet.
13:26<Daevien>it's not all NJ anyway, i can say that much
13:26<Daevien>cause i'm using a nj one to irc right now
13:26<Yaakov>My Newark node is fine as well.
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13:27<Yaakov>I am told, but generally reliable sources, it should be fixed now.
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13:28<Daevien>Yaakov: voice #2 or voice #3 in your head? :p
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13:29<Yaakov>It appears that mikegrb may have responded to the crisis and been the hero.
13:29-!-You're now known as mikegrb
13:30<Daevien>man, mike must be really bored today :p
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13:30<Yaakov>Let's test that hypothesis.
13:30<Yaakov>mikegrb: I LOVE YOU MAN
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13:30<mikegrb>Yaakov: I LOVE YOU YAAKOV
13:30-!-Aletheuo [~admin@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe96:6a49] has joined #linode
13:30<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU BACK
13:31<Daevien>\o/ mikegrb
13:31<spade>Um. I just bought a domain from ( What's the procedure for pointing it to an IP? It should be in their web UI right? Or is it some complicated process? (new to this world)
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13:31<spade>I don't see it.
13:31<spade>I need an A record!
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13:32<navi>You should probably point the domain at the Linode nameservers
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13:32<Yaakov>spade: You have to point your domain at ns1 -
13:32<Yaakov>Then make your A records in the Linode DNS Manager.
13:32<spade>oh, that's what those DNS things are for
13:32<Yaakov>The Linode DNS is ultratastic.
13:32*Daevien cringes and backs away from spade's linode
13:33<Steve^>spade, if you're new to DNS, why do you need loads of IPs?
13:33<Daevien>Steve^: vhsots i think he said. in other words, prob for irc
13:34<Yaakov>No, we were talking about httpd vhsots.
13:34<Yaakov>And not for reverse.
13:34<spade>I'll be running multiple web sites..
13:34<Yaakov>For which httpd vhosts works perfectly.
13:34<AlexC_>spade: they can all use the same IP
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13:34<Daevien>ah. you only need 1 ip unless you need multiple ssl sites
13:35<spade>I need SSL on one soon.
13:35<AlexC_>Daevien: depends. The TLS SNI extension allows for it
13:36<Daevien>AlexC_: yeah and how widespread is it? :)
13:36<czr_>it's all a lie anyway.
13:37<AlexC_>so it depends on who your target audience is
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13:38<Daevien>yeah, like any xp users runnign ie = nope. thats still a large number of people
13:38<AlexC_>sure, if your target audience are likely to use that
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13:38<Yaakov>Like if you are running a virus software phishing site!
13:38<czr_>why would you want to phish for virus software?
13:39<Daevien>or somethign a business would use :p
13:39<Daevien>czr_: yaakov has a virus software fetish? i dunno
13:39<czr_>you ask me? way wrong address :-)
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13:40<Yaakov>No, you pop up a false virus scan, and push them to a page to buy some fake virus software that's really malware.
13:40<Fox`>backups older than 14 days are deleted aren't they?
13:40<czr_>I read some paper about the business model of that lately
13:40<czr_>fakeAV something
13:40<czr_>it had some calculations that that kind of business brings in about 140M USD yearly or somesuch
13:41<spade>I should pursue a career in writing malware.
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13:41<czr_>no you shouldn't
13:41<spade>Nah, I hate it more than anything.
13:42<spade>(well, not _anything_)
13:42<Fox`>backups older than 14 days are deleted aren't they?
13:43<spade>hezbz is too leet for me
13:43<Daevien>Fox`: don't think any of us active right now knows, sorry.
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13:44<Daevien>only some people here are active (at their computer currently). those of us here would have said somethign if we knew
13:44<Daevien>if you need an immediate answer, try putting in a ticket
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13:44<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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13:45<spade>Fox`, click "Backups" in your Linode manager...
13:45<spade>It's explained there
13:45<spade>The Linode Backup System is designed to be an easy to use, reliable and redundant on-site backup solution for your Linode. It performs backups without causing any interruption of your running system.
13:45<spade>It provides 4 backup slots. Three of the slots are executed and rotated automatically: a daily backup, a 2-7 day old backup, and an 8-14 day old backup. The fourth backup slot is a user-initiated snapshot and remains in place until another user-initiated snapshot is taken.
13:47<MacsFromGS>how would i have 2 domains on 1 linode (CentOS)
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13:48<AlexC_>MacsFromGS: http?
13:48<AlexC_>MacsFromGS: look into virtualhosts, very easy. There is probably documentation in the Linode Library for it
13:49<AlexC_> MacsFromGS
13:49<MacsFromGS>ok ty
13:51<AlexC_>hum, is a ticket a good way to get hold of someone to make a change to the library docs?
13:52<AlexC_>because 'error_reporting = E_COMPILE_ERROR|E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR|E_ERROR|E_CORE_ERROR' is just crazy
13:52<Daevien>yeah ticket prob best way
13:53<Daevien>unless you catch an op active like caker or i think Perihelion does doc stuff as well
13:53<spade>Am I the SOA of my domain? They ask for a mail address.
13:54<AlexC_>Daevien: thanks
13:54<Daevien>unless you want to give your domain to AlexC_, yep
13:55<navi>SOA = Silly Old AlexC
13:55<AlexC_>:P iLike it
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14:08<marius> <-- can someone help me make sense of that ?
14:08<marius>I'm looking for their abuse contact =/
14:08<marius>well the abuse contact for and .143
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14:10<marius>thanks =) didn't know they also looke up IPs .o
14:10*marius is having fun with joomlas and their exploits
14:11<Daevien>hmm... new version of putty was actually released
14:13<marius>Daevien: old news
14:13<marius>it now supports windows aera! amazing update!
14:14<Daevien>marius: yeah but it had been 4 years since the last release, so the fact i'm a few days on noticing isn't bad :p
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14:16<marius>You are forgiven :P
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14:22<Daevien>thought revip died?
14:24<Daevien>hm,, guess revip didn't die then. last i checked it was up and down then had a down msg or something
14:24<marius>Another question, how does "diff" work, from what I fathom form the man file, it's just "diff File1 File2", but that didn't do nothing
14:24<AlexC_>then maybe there are no differences :)
14:25<marius>I thoguht it would tell me then :P
14:25<AlexC_>I advise 'diff -u foo bar' to get an easier format to read
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14:25<bonjurkes>Hey room
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14:26<bonjurkes> I am having time problem on my server. date command shows correct time, but apache error and access logs shows wrong time (like +2 or +3 then normal) When i edit file via ftp it shows time correct but i am not sure whose time is wrong
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14:27<AlexC_>bonjurkes: the Apache access logs are not only the wrong timezone, but the timezone keeps changing?
14:27<AlexC_>like one request would be GMT, then next GMT+2 then back to GMT?
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14:28<bonjurkes>i am using server-status to check apache status and it shows the time correct
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14:28<bonjurkes>but on ftp those logs shows the future time :D
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14:28<tesmar>hi all
14:29<tesmar>I get unsupported mount type when I try to mount the dd image I transferred to linode
14:29<tesmar>it is from Centos 6
14:29<tesmar>and idea why?
14:29<tesmar>the centos machine is usinf lvm and ext4
14:30<tesmar>the finnix console is transferring an ext3 image
14:30<bonjurkes>time info in the apache logs are correct but ftp shows the last edit time wrong
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14:38<tesmar>I am following this this guide
14:38<tesmar>and I can't mount the ssh copied image
14:39<tesmar>it gives me an unsupported mount type
14:39<tesmar>any ideas?
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14:43<semyou>Hi Guys, I am on a 8.10 since 2009. I have some live servers there. I was wondering what is the best way to migrate to a 11.04.
14:43<AviMarcus>semyou, are you sure you want 11.04 the latest, or rather 10.04 the LTS?
14:43<semyou>To tell you the truth I have no clue
14:43<semyou>I just want to get the latest and greatest
14:43<AviMarcus>oh. 8.10 wasn't LTS
14:44<swaj>for a production server, it's best to stick with LTS releases
14:44<semyou>So what do you recommend?
14:44<AlexC_>semyou: upgrade to 9.04, then 9.10 then 10.04
14:44<swaj>I'd recommend going to the latest LTS, which is 10.04 :P
14:44<semyou>How do you do that
14:44<semyou>Should I use the upgrade tool
14:45<AlexC_>take a look at the Ubuntu documentatioin
14:45<semyou>I know
14:45<semyou>My question is should I go 8 to 9 to 10
14:46<semyou>or is there a safe way fast way to 10.04
14:46<AviMarcus>semyou, either make a snapshot with linode's backups, or create a new linode, clone stuff, and give it a try
14:46<AlexC_>semyou: upgrade to 10.04, which is LTS. However to get there, you *have* to upgrade to 9.04, then 9.10, then 10.04
14:46<swaj>you're basically going to repeat that guide like 3 times
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14:47<swaj>because you can't go strait to 10.04.. gotta step through 9.04, 9.10 and finally 10.04
14:47<AlexC_>though, tbh. If your 8.10 server isn't broke - then I would advise buying a new Linode and installing 10.04
14:47<semyou>I can do that
14:48<swaj>I've never had the upgrade process brick my system when I was using ubuntu
14:48<semyou>How about when the new environment is ready. How do you switch traffic to the new linode
14:48<swaj>just take a backup to be sure
14:48<semyou>I have backups
14:48<AlexC_>swaj: you must be lucky!
14:49<swaj>I went from 8.04 to 10.04 on a linode once... though now I use debian :P
14:49<swaj>debian upgrades are quite smooth, too
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14:49<swaj>went from lenny to squeeze with zero problems
14:49<semyou>How about when the new environment is ready. How do you switch traffic to the new linode?
14:50<swaj>semyou: swap DNS, wait a couple days, turn off the old linode :P
14:50<semyou>Is this done in the DNS server part?
14:50<Yaakov>Squeeze broke my Apache in some very strange way.
14:50<AlexC_>or you can swap the IP addresses between 2 Linodes
14:50<semyou>I prefer the IP swapping
14:50<swaj>yeah you could submit a ticket asking Linode to swap the IP's, and they could do that for you.
14:50<Yaakov>I had to roll back using Linode Backupping™ Service.
14:51<semyou>because I have dynamic website if data goes to the old one I will be screwed
14:51<swaj>semyou: so you'll have to have a cut-over at some point... you might lose a little bit of data
14:51<semyou>I have a plan
14:51<swaj>but Linode will swap the IP if you ask them to with a support ticket :)
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14:51<semyou>I will make sure that I stop service. Migrate the latest. Ask someone at linode to switch ips
14:52<swaj>just make sure your new node with 10.04 is in the same datacenter or IP swapping isn't possible.
14:52<AviMarcus>swaj, I think you can do the swapping yourself
14:52<AviMarcus>requires a reboot to make it happen, though.
14:52<swaj>really? that's news to me
14:52<semyou>How is that done?
14:52<AviMarcus>there's a swap IP link in the manager. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it.
14:52<AviMarcus>under remote access, iirc
14:53<swaj>oh yeah, sure enough
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14:53<swaj>in the "Remote Access" tab, there's an "IP Swap" option under "Public IPs"
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14:54<+linbot>New news from forums: CentOS 6 in General Discussion <>
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14:59<vuf>can i make arbitrary user id mappings with nfs?
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15:07<spade>I find a lot of info about vhosts on, but I don't see any mention of which frigging file. There's supposed to be a httpd-vhost.conf file according to some googling (where early Google hits describe Windows setup, wtf), but I don't have that and don't know where I would create it.
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15:07<spade>I see some "default(-ssl)" files in sites-enabled and sites-available
15:07<spade>With virtualhost configs.
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15:08<io_>hi why does linode DNS manager say • You have entered an invalid target. It must be a valid hostname. for ''?
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15:09<niftylettuce>sftp hanging on 'Sending env LANG', wasn't able to find a solution on Google nor a cause
15:09<niftylettuce>followed this tutorial:
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15:10<kerle>spade: you want to add vhost configurations to apache2?
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15:12<spade>I added "linode" to the google search and found this:
15:12<spade>Seems like you just put the file in sites-available
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15:13<kerle>spade: verify the NameVirtualHost line in /etc/apache2/ports.conf is to your liking, add the vhost files to sites-available, enable them with a2ensite, reload
15:14<kerle>for named vhosts
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15:15<spade>thanks. Named, yeah.
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15:23<DrJ>can anyone help me get mpg123 install on my centos linode?
15:23<DrJ> mpg123
15:23<DrJ>mpg123: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:23<DrJ>I installed it with an rpm (since yum didn't find it)
15:23<DrJ>but I get that
15:24<DrJ>actually, not an rpm ... compiled from source
15:25<kerle>DrJ: and it built and installed the shared library mentioned above?
15:26<DrJ>wouldn't that have come with it
15:26<kerle>DrJ: wouldn't it work if it did?
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15:27<DrJ>I don't see anywhere to obtain that
15:27<DrJ>and there is already a in /usr/local/lib of my systme
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15:29<kerle>you can run `ldd' on the mpg123 binary and look at what shared libraries it needs and which can't be found
15:29<kerle>and verify that /usr/local/lib is searched for shared libraries on your system
15:30<kerle>man 8 ldconfig
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15:45<kerle>DrJ: any luck?
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15:47<straterra>,w5n 23
15:47<DrJ>running that ldconfig fixed it
15:47<tjfontaine>Daevien: who's beating me up?
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15:53<Boohemian_>so, i started the atkins diet and i have lost 12 pounds so far
15:56<Boohemian_>in three days
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15:58<vsmatck>Not possible. Estimate your bodys caloric requirements, then estimate how many calories would be in 12 pounds of body fat. You'll see that you couldn't have lost 12 pounds of fat in 3 days.
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15:59<vsmatck>There is something to decreasing sugar in a diet. But really dieting is all about creating a calorie deficit.
16:00<Boohemian_>vsmatck: two scales cannot be wrong
16:01<Boohemian_>SpaceHobo: no, i don't want to do that
16:01<Pryon>You don't want to know when you start undergoing ketosis?
16:01<Boohemian_>vsmatck: i read gary taubes _good calories, bad calories_ and it is very useful. i decided to turn the science into a diet, so i ended up with atkins
16:01<Boohemian_>Pryon: why? what's the point?
16:02<Boohemian_>vsmatck: my BMR is 2650
16:02<Pryon>Boohemian_: I weep for your kidneys
16:02<Boohemian_>SpaceHobo: i haven't had a bowel movement in three days (usual for me), and i still drink ~100 ounces of water each day
16:02<Boohemian_>so i don't see how it is water wait
16:03<Pryon>There's a joke in there, but I'll leave it for others
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16:04<Boohemian_>i take opiates regularly, so i get one good bowel movement each week, unless i take colace
16:05<vsmatck>2650 * 3 < 12 * 3500
16:05<Boohemian_>yeah, the only downside of morphine and fentanyl
16:05<vsmatck>Those who don't do arithmetic are doomed to speak nonsense.
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16:05<Boohemian_>isn't the whole idea that when you don't eat sugar, fat is your primary source of energy, and is therefore depleted more quickly than the bmr number?
16:05<kerle>the line said "12 pounds so far" it did not say "12 pounds of fat"
16:06<Pryon>s/fat/protein/ hence the ketones
16:06<Pryon>big feet
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16:09<Pryon>okay, I was wrong. It *is* the fat.
16:11<Boohemian_>well, i am just glad to be under 300 pounds again
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16:29<tesmar>hi all
16:29<tesmar>is CentOS coming to linode:?
16:30<tesmar>CentOS 6
16:32<k00pa>you can upload your own image I think
16:33<tesmar>k00pa, yes I Tried that
16:33<tesmar>but it won't boot
16:33<tesmar>and I can't access the lish console
16:33<tesmar>so I Can't debug it
16:34<k00pa>I think you could get it working somehow
16:34<k00pa>wait if somebody else knows more about centos
16:34<tesmar>k00pa, ok
16:35<k00pa>centos 5 is already there so I think centos 6 should work somehow
16:36<tesmar>k00pa, yeah...
16:37<auraka>turn on the womens world cup if you haven't
16:39<Yaakov>It's being discussed, a lot.
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16:44<tjfontaine>can I get some more context around ticket #516730 please and thank you
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16:51<Yaakov>tjfontaine: No, you are welcome.
16:52<auraka>USA WINS
16:52<auraka>USA WINS
16:52<tjfontaine>Yaakov: aww shucks
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16:52<Yaakov>tjfontaine: OK, *maybe*.
16:53<tesmar>Yaakov, yeah but trying to get it up there myself via finnish is failing
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17:00<jtsage|ded>fwiw, that carrdine film was everything i expected it to be. crap story, but he did kick ass the whole time - sooo not the character from kung fu.
17:01<waltman>which film was that?
17:01<jtsage|ded>oh, so wrong channel.
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17:01<jtsage>but, for reference: (not too bad)
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17:08<Yaakov>Red Cliff is worth watching.
17:08<auraka>NO WAY
17:09<jtsage>yes, yes it is.
17:09<jtsage>actually ordered the bluray after watching the cut version streaming. just soo pretty
17:10<Yaakov>Ip Man is also good, different, but good.
17:11<jtsage>i think i watched that. i was just in the need of some mindless violence with an easily followed story line today.
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17:19<Yaakov>There is an Ip Man 2.
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17:23<jtsage>i know i saw that one - day or two ago, it hit streaming
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17:25<AviMarcus>Hi vraa
17:25<AviMarcus>oh. auto rejoin.
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17:25<vraa>why would you even say hi?
17:26<vraa>im here all the time
17:26<Yaakov>Because he hates you.
17:26<AviMarcus>I just saw you pop in to the three main channels I'm in.
17:26<Yaakov>It's irony.
17:26<AviMarcus>I dun have a chat log with you.
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17:40<+linbot>New news from forums: Apache web server idling in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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17:42<SelfishMan>jkwood, Yaakov:
17:46<SelfishMan>Daevien: There was a point a few months back where revip was down for a few days because the entire world hated it's freedom but that was resolved
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17:55<Daevien>SelfishMan: ah, i thought it had a omg we died msg a month or so ago
17:56<SelfishMan>Daevien: nah, it was like three months back. Big series of really bad things all happened at once and the DB had to be rebuilt
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17:56<Daevien>ah k
17:56<Daevien>i was kind of bummed that it was gone but hadn't gotten aroudn to writing my own replacement :p
17:56<Daevien>now i don't have to hehe
17:57<SelfishMan>I started it because pissed me off by going too commercial
17:57<SelfishMan>Still needs a lot of work
17:59<Daevien>still very handy though. and yeah all of the previous public ones started charging and mos tof them stupid pricing
17:59<Daevien>what else ar eyou plannning on doing with it?
17:59<SelfishMan>yep. I'm not willing to pay $600/year for this when it costs me a lot less to do it myself
18:00<SelfishMan>all the other sites I run collect a lot of the data that revip has so that made life much easier
18:00<Daevien>well i fyou paid yourself programmign time it woudl be cheaper to just use someone else's setup but most of us would still rather do it ourselves :p
18:00<SelfishMan>No idea but I'm open to ideas
18:01<SelfishMan>Nah, the time to develop it was pretty minimal and the sites that offer subscriptions at the volume I need would be too expensive to bother with
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18:01<Daevien>not sur ewhat else you could add right off.. if i do think of anything i'll send an email off or something
18:02<SelfishMan>email, hilight or PM me
18:02<Daevien>what dc do you have servers in again?
18:03<SelfishMan>revip is on some dedicated hardware since the DB is too big to stuff in a reasonably priced linode
18:03<SelfishMan>573338137 IPv4 <-> domain associations
18:03<SelfishMan>7138815 IPv4 <-> domain associations
18:03<SelfishMan>err...7138815 IPv6
18:04<SelfishMan>573338464 now
18:04<SelfishMan>rapidly growing
18:05<SelfishMan>I think at 1B rows it will become self aware
18:05<Daevien>you mostly farm the info from the ns, right? so anyone that uses the ns helps generate the data?
18:05<SelfishMan>yes and no
18:05<SelfishMan>The public resolvers help but most of the domains come from elsewhere
18:06<SelfishMan>Being able to download copies of all the major TLD zone files helps a lot
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18:06<SelfishMan>there are a lot of bogus domains too
18:06<+linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
18:07<SelfishMan>too many to grab in 10 seconds
18:07<+linbot>SelfishMan: timed out
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18:08<+linbot>SelfishMan: IP:; rDNS: localhost; Country: Reserved; Domains: 574852;
18:08<SelfishMan>there we go
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18:08<Daevien>heh. can't you just remove all of the ones that go as & other non routable ips?
18:09<SelfishMan>sure but there is a lot more value to keeping the listings
18:09<Daevien>even if its a fake ip?
18:10<SelfishMan>I can keep a full history that way
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18:11<SelfishMan>sometimes it is helpful to know that resolved to
18:12<SelfishMan>it isn't really the reserved IPs that are the problem, it is things like dreamhost and godaddy that have 10-15 million domains on an IP
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18:14<Daevien>nightmarehost & nodaddy. scary companies
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18:14<heckman_>Wouldn't it be stopdaddy? Which then adds a bit of a unsettling concept to the name?
18:15<Kaugg>Hello all! How do I go about updating my PHP to 5.2.3 on my cent os server? I'm not sure where to start..
18:15<heckman_>Hm, I guess I disconnected.
18:15<Boohemian_>jesus christ, urchin costs $10,000
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18:16<Kyhwana_>Kaugg: yum update?
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18:17<Owler>Hello, I was wondering if any of you could instruct me how to upgrade my PHP installation on Cent Os to 5.2.3?
18:17<+linbot>New news from forums: IP space whois/branding in Sales Questions and Answers <>
18:17<Daevien>Owler: you need to make a sacrifice to the gods of ancient distros
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18:17<Daevien>serious answer: i dunno but i forsee lots of annoyances in your future
18:18<Crothers>I'm sure this has been asnwered in here before, BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT is there an ETA for CentOS 6 / ClearOS 6 / Scientific Linux 6?
18:18<+linbot>Kyhwana_: (google <search> [--{filter,language} <value>]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --filter accepts a filtering level ('active', 'moderate', 'off').
18:18<Daevien>and heckman, no daddy isn't that great either if you ask why someone is saying no...
18:18<Daevien>Crothers: soon(tm)? no official word that i've seen
18:18<Owler>I googled it around, not much luck. Is it really as simple as a yum update?
18:19<@heckman>Crothers: no official ETA. It'll be announced as soon as our testing is finished.
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18:19<Crothers>What? You're saying you QA faster then the CentOS team :P
18:19<Crothers>Then again that doesn't take much
18:19<Crothers>Thanks heckman
18:19<Kyhwana_>Owler: see above URL.
18:20<harrumph>that's a big but
18:20<Daevien>Owler: um, no not that simple. you need to find a repo that has the file sthen run yum. have you seriously NOT updated your centos at all??
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18:34<EugeneKay>Owler - if you want a newer PHP on CentOS 5, you should investigate the php53 packages from centosplus
18:34<EugeneKay>The current version is 5.3.3
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18:47<Owler>Daevien: In short, I'm a noob
18:47<Owler>I'm just trying to find a simple way to update php
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18:49<EugeneKay>Enable the centosplus repo. Remove the default php*, install php53 in its place.
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19:02<JshWright>Owler: if you're new to linux, why are you using CentOS?
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19:03<db>JshWright: Everyone is new one time or another.
19:04<db>steeper the mountain, more experienced the climber.
19:05<EugeneKay>Well, you either end up experienced, or dead in a bloodied mess in a chasm
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19:06<BarkerJr>kinda like chosing C as the first programming language
19:07<BarkerJr>if you learn C first, it'll take longer, but you'll then be able to program ok in pretty much any modern language
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19:08<GLaDOSDan>I'm having trouble getting apache2 on Debian 5 to log htpasswd login failures to an error log file
19:08<GLaDOSDan>any ideas?
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19:13<BarkerJr>I would expect it to log to error_log automatically, right?
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19:18<GLaDOSDan>I would too
19:18<GLaDOSDan>but it..isn't
19:18<GLaDOSDan>I don't know if I broke anything; but my apache2.conf file says errorlog is at /var/log/apache2/error.log
19:18<GLaDOSDan>and I just slammed in a load of wrong passwords and there's nothing
19:19<BarkerJr>you are seeing the errors in access.log, right?
19:19<BarkerJr>like 403 or somesuch
19:20<hawk>401, right?
19:20<GLaDOSDan>I'm seeing GET requests in the access log with 401
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19:20<BarkerJr>that's an error
19:20<SelfishMan>GLaDOSDan: last I checked apache2 doesn't support logging those errors directly
19:20<GLaDOSDan>really? O_o
19:20<swaj>wow, PuTTY 0.61 was released:
19:20<swaj>shocker :P
19:20<swaj>"PuTTY 0.61 is out, after over four years (sorry!), with new features, bug fixes, and compatibility updates for Windows 7 and various SSH server software.
19:21<hawk>swaj: ooh
19:22<swaj> <-- new stuff listed there
19:22<GLaDOSDan>google is pulling blanks on the apache2 password logging
19:22<hawk>GLaDOSDan: What specifically are you looking for in the log beyod repeated 401's?
19:22<GLaDOSDan>Well, the firewall software I use supports logging/blocking of repeated failed htpasswd attempts in apache2
19:22<GLaDOSDan>so I was expecting there'd be a...log
19:23<BarkerJr>401 means failed
19:23<hawk>GLaDOSDan: You said you had a log, with the 401s
19:23<GLaDOSDan>Yeah that's my access log, unless that's what this thing parses
19:23<GLaDOSDan># [*]Enable login failure detection of Apache .htpasswd connections
19:23<GLaDOSDan># Due to the often high logging rate in the Apache error log
19:24<hawk>GLaDOSDan: I don't know what that parses, but I don't know what more it would need
19:24<GLaDOSDan>apparently something to do with the Apache error log
19:24<GLaDOSDan>Yeah, HTACCESS_LOG = "/var/log/apache2/error.log"
19:24<GLaDOSDan>that was the default
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19:42<GLaDOSDan>And I fixed that
19:44<swaj>I know it's not listed in the change log, but I really think the font rendering in putty 0.61 is way better. It looks much clearer to me.
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19:44<GLaDOSDan>Oh really?
19:44<GLaDOSDan>Time to update then
19:45<swaj>I'm using Consolas 12 pt with cleartype
19:45<swaj>and it looks very sexy.
19:46<GLaDOSDan>any chance of a screenshot?
19:46<swaj>sure, sec
19:46<EugeneKay>Pageant 0.61 breaks compatibility with FileZilla
19:46<GLaDOSDan>oh really
19:46*GLaDOSDan doesn't update that
19:46<EugeneKay>(and all other apps that have a statically linked plink)
19:46<EugeneKay>PuTTY 0.61 is also incompatible with pageant 0.60
19:47<EugeneKay>It's got to do with the changes to ssh auth
19:47<BarkerJr>works fine with winscp
19:47<EugeneKay>It's got to do with the changes to ssh auth
19:47<EugeneKay>GA FU UP-ENTER
19:47<EugeneKay>Does winscp use plink.exe, or is it internal?
19:47<GLaDOSDan>guess I'm not updating then
19:48<EugeneKay>HeidiSQL works fine because it calls plink.exe separately. FileZilla has it compiled in.
19:49<GLaDOSDan>That is..pretty nice
19:49<BarkerJr>no idea what winscp uses
19:50<swaj>my irssi is teh sexy
19:50<BarkerJr>mirc > irssi
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19:51<hawk>BarkerJr: heresy!
19:51<swaj>I did the mirc/znc thing for a couple weeks and got tired of it. back to tmux + irssi. It's like my old faithful friend
19:51<GLaDOSDan>I've done mirc/znc since..
19:51<jtsage>swaj - irssi+proxy. best of both worlds.
19:52<BarkerJr>but you must admit that mirc is greater than irssi in terms of resource consumption
19:53<hawk>It uses more resources?
19:53<swaj>indeed. my irssi takes only a couple MB of ram and zero CPU :P
19:53<swaj>so mirc definitely has it beat
19:53<BarkerJr>my mirc uses 24MB ram and 0.27% cpu
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19:59<auraka>mirc is great from a functionality/scripting perspective
19:59<auraka>it is too bad it didn't branch out into other operating systems
20:00<hawk>If it was multi-platform I might see a point...
20:03<BarkerJr>well, it's .NET I think
20:03<hawk>auraka: Any particular functionality that it has? I haven't really had a look at it the last ten years or so?
20:04<hawk>BarkerJr: Really? Ok, well, that still doesn't really help all that much as there isn't really any fully working .NET environment on anything else than Windows
20:07<BarkerJr>it used to be C++, but was "upgraded" to C++.NET in 2003
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20:08<BarkerJr>funny, doesn't feel like that long ago
20:08<dominikh>... how the heck is mirc great from a scripting perspective? their scripting language is a bad joke...
20:10<BarkerJr>javascript is only barely better than mircscript :)
20:10<tjfontaine>javascript+v8 is the present, everything else is the past
20:10<dominikh>I guess it's a good thing that no IRC client uses JS then :)
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20:11<BarkerJr>yeah, people were trying to get eggdrop to use javascript. glad they decided to stay with tcl
20:11<tjfontaine>itym: ha ha eggdrop
20:11<dominikh>eggdrop, another bad joke
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20:12<BarkerJr>your "bad jokes" have been wildly popular
20:12<BarkerJr>mircscript is huge
20:12<tjfontaine>so's urmom
20:12<dominikh>so have been DOS and Windows... and urmom
20:12<tjfontaine>dominikh: ^5
20:12<BarkerJr>eggdrop used to be huge before chanserv became stable
20:12<tjfontaine>you talk about chanserv like it's one single entity
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20:13<Educated-Fool>Whuzzz Up
20:13<BarkerJr>did you manage to get it to run on each server now?
20:13<Kreyg>Is there any staff in here that can help me?
20:14<tjfontaine>BarkerJr: no you implied the same chanserv across networks
20:14<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
20:14<+linbot>The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help
20:14<Educated-Fool>what exactly is your problem?
20:14<BarkerJr>I always thought it'd make more sense to put chanserv/nickserv local on each server so that it would never split... kinda like an anycast... and they'd all talk to eachother in a mesh network
20:15<Kreyg>Well, my site won't load right now. It's been down for an hour now
20:15<tjfontaine>BarkerJr: it's possible but you still have to handle splits similar to how in memory channels are handled
20:15<Kreyg>My friend who handles our server isn't around either, so I'm f-ed
20:15<tjfontaine>BarkerJr: also most don't want to persist more in memory or any more potential blocking to the core ircd
20:15<hawk>Kreyg: Doesn't sound like a problem for Linode staff, rather a configuration error or something
20:16<Educated-Fool>when you says it's not loading what exactly that means?
20:16<BarkerJr>hmm, true
20:16<Educated-Fool>Is your webserver up and running?
20:16<hawk>Kreyg: But do explain the specifics and maybe someone can help
20:16<Kreyg>I just get a "problem loading page" in firefox
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20:17<Kyhwana_>Kreyg: can you connect to your linode via ssh/etc?
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20:17<Kyhwana_>That is, is your linode up?
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20:18<Educated-Fool>did you change anything regarding your webserver's configuration ? if not, is your disk space full maybe? an inodes maybe? As Kyhwana said, is your linode up and running?
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20:27<Educated-Fool>yeah, probably he found what the problem is ....
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20:28<Educated-Fool>Hey guys, has someone tried to upgrade from centos5.6 to centos6 ??
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20:29<Educated-Fool>Is it possible at all?
20:31<bob2>heh centos
20:32<EugeneKay>Educated-Fool - I'll save you some crying: No, you cannot.
20:32<Educated-Fool>As I'm reading on the Internet, the recommended way is to do a clean install..
20:33<Educated-Fool>Yeah I thought that would be 'impodsible' at this time ...
20:33<bob2>centos is 80% sadness by volume
20:33<bob2>the other 20% is obsolete software and lack of support
20:33<Educated-Fool>yeah man I know that ...
20:34<Educated-Fool>Actually, Im an arch user for life but many of the servers I maintain are running centos 5
20:34<bob2>me too
20:34<Educated-Fool>So that;s why Im asking about
20:34<EugeneKay>I refuse to debate which distribution is best on the grounds that it historically hasn't worked for religions, either.
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20:36<Solver>I don't debate distros either because it is _obvious_ that Debian is best and anyone who disagrees is a heretic
20:36<Educated-Fool>Yeah, that's true .... I totally agree with you that Debian 6 at this moment is the best distro for a server ...
20:37<Educated-Fool>Of course, that's only my opinion ....
20:37<Solver>Debian is my fav distro but I promise not to persecute anyone for a different opinion :)
20:37<EugeneKay>I do like to rip on Ubuntu, but the best I've ever seen is "Don't go telling me I shouldn't be using Ubuntu 11.04 for a server" "Why would I? You're already doing it?"
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20:37<bob2>non-lts is pretty silly
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20:37<Solver>lts suppose period is nice
20:38<retro|blah>Debian? Ubuntu? LTS? What are you people talking about
20:38<hawk>bob2: Depends on your needs, I suppose
20:38*Solver puts the clue stick away ;)
20:38<hawk>retro|blah: The LTS nonsense is about ubuntu
20:38<EugeneKay>I was raised on Red Hat, and I just can't bring myself to use Debian-style systems.
20:39<bob2>hawk: fair enough
20:39<Educated-Fool>Yeah, hawk fair enough
20:39<Educated-Fool>It really depends on the needs ...
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20:40<Educated-Fool>But, I would say that this is too general discussion & everyone has a different style, need and opinion so ....
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20:43<Solver>when I started a user group people said that the Linux and BSD crowds could never live together but 16 years on they still play well together :)
20:43<Solver>so Linux distros should be able to as well :)
20:43<bob2>idiots abound
20:43<BarkerJr>bsd is stupid
20:43<EugeneKay>I've heard it said that the linux distro wars pale in comparison to the BSD ones.
20:43<bob2>constructive criticism as usual
20:44*Solver believes it is an evolutionary strategy... seriously
20:44<Solver>could be have civilisation is everyone was a free thinker?
20:44<bob2>EugeneKay: idiot users of all things like to whinge and argue
20:44<EugeneKay>I'd like to know what the fuss is all about, but I've never been able to get BSD to install. Apparently "wizard mode" means "I am a wizard", rather than the typical "I want you to do it for me"
20:44<Solver>s/be have/we have/
20:44<bob2>unless you mean the bsd legal wars
20:44<hawk>EugeneKay: Which bsd?
20:44<EugeneKay>All of them
20:44<bob2>freebsd at least is very easy to install
20:45<Solver>EugeneKay: "Unix Wizard" is a fairly old term for someone who groks Unix (understands it fully)
20:45<EugeneKay>Are we comparing it to summiting Everest?
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20:45<Solver>that usage of wizard predates the Microsoft usage by 20 or 30 years
20:45<bob2>comparing it to say installing linux in 2003
20:46<hawk>I've mostly used the openbsd and netbsd, and their installers kind of assume you know what you are doing, but if you peek at their docs it's fairly straightforward.
20:46<EugeneKay>I'm aware of the etymology, you're ruining the joke -_-
20:46<Solver>EugeneKay: doh! :)
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20:51<BarkerJr>raise your hands... whose first thought is Harry Potter when they see the word Wizard?
20:51<EugeneKay>"I put on my robe and wizard hat"
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21:00<dominikh>my first thought is RPG...
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21:07<atourino>quick question. Anyone have a recommendation for a lightweight monitoring/reporting/restarting application? Im going to use monit but was curious if there were others
21:10<@caker>although I've never used it.
21:11<bob2>it is quite nice
21:11<bob2>especially since php+spawn-fcgi crashes once a week for undetermined reasons
21:12<atourino>caker: thanks. I will take a look.
21:14<atourino>bob2: I use php-fpm and it's been solid and very quick on my linodes
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21:15<atourino>nginx + pgp-fpm is nice enough for me and gets the job done
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21:15<atourino>admittedly on not a very busys network of sites
21:16<bob2>yeah, but fpm means a) trusting php devs to write networking code and b) compiling php from source
21:16<bob2>-1 on both
21:18<atourino>ymmv I suppose. :)
21:18<bob2>will use it under debian 7 i suspect
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21:24<+linbot>New news from forums: Need FTP in Linux Networking <>
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21:41<+linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
21:41<KyleXY_>Kyhwana_: no kidding,
21:42<Educated-Fool>I don't have login credentials to access the forum. but to the OP, he may try to yum reinstall proftpd or to check whether /usr/sbin/proftpd is exectutable or not ...
21:42<Educated-Fool>and that to use ssh/scp/sftp is absolutely better and recommended ....
21:43<Kyhwana_>oh lols
21:43<Kyhwana_>I see
21:43<Kyhwana_>he's looking for a client, except he installed proftpd
21:43<navi>I think the problem is more that it doesn't make 'ftp'
21:43<navi>it's the service.
21:44<Educated-Fool>yeah ...
21:47<db>lurk at cryptoanarchy
21:47<db>long enough, and you find out that.. security is a mess..
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23:03<Internat>i wonder why that ftp thread got deleted
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23:08<akerl>Which ftp thread?
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23:20<Internat>i answered "" topic before.. just got an email notifying me that there was an update to it, but the link was "" which said thread not found..
23:22<akerl>Sounds like a phpbb issue, with how it's generating the mail message
23:25<Internat>yeah me thinks so
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23:28<Internat>oh i see whats happened
23:28<Internat>the email link, is a link to a post.. which im guessing the post got deleted and replaced with the new one
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23:52<gadams>Anyone have a nook or kindle?
23:52-!-sm [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
23:52<Kyhwana_>gadams: yep
23:52<gadams>Which one?
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23:54<gadams>Kyhwana_, and why? What did it do that the other did not?
23:58<Kyhwana_>the kindle3? it was cheap and had a better eink screen at the time
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23:59<+linbot>Point (0.08703228, 0.56214861) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 99003 of 125725 (π ≈ 3.149827003380394 - 0.008234349790601). http://π
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