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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-08-21

---Logopened Sun Aug 21 00:00:08 2011
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00:00<praetorian>fnord: so am i
00:00<praetorian>ill be sure to forward you some of it
00:01*nDuff misses his old '86 VT700 (one of the few years when the 700 used a shaft drive)
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00:11<offset>where are linode locations in eu?
00:11<offset>any in london?
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00:12<JoeK>nope, just one
00:12<HoopyCat>the world will be happy to note that i just ported !pi to gunicorn
00:12<HoopyCat>it shall survive going forward
00:14<HoopyCat>but for now, we sleep; tomorrow, the lighttpd->nginx conversion recommences :-)
00:17<jtsage>but where, oh where shall we dine tonight?
00:24<offset>my basement. my mum's at her sister's for this month
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01:18<hitman>how does the backup service works?
01:18<hitman>if my database server crashes
01:18<hitman>or something "bad" happens to it
01:19<hitman>can I just restore the stored backup and have the database back?
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01:19<hitman>should I open a ticket then?
01:20<opello>you would need to bring up a node from the backup as i understand it
01:21<dcraig>there's a note in the "Limitations" section about databases
01:21*akerl would not trust snapshotted live database to be usable
01:22<akerl>However, if you have a cron that dumps your database to a file, the linode backup will happily save that file with the rest of your filesystem, allowing you to restore the db from that dump when you restore the node from backup
01:22<mDuff>if it's a true block-level snapshot, and you're storing your transaction logs locally, PostgreSQL should be fine
01:22<mDuff>if the pg_xlog directory isn't on the same device, _then_ that might be a problem...
01:23<hitman>i am on Mongo
01:24*mDuff doesn't know the relevant semantics of MongoDB.
01:25<hitman>my problem is - while creation of the dumps, CPU level rises to 50%
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01:26<hitman>so I thought I should use the backup service rather than dumping the database
01:27<mDuff>generally speaking, the backup service is meant to suppliment, not replace, an alternate, offsite backup mechanism
01:27<mDuff>(AIUI, of course)
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01:33*mDuff hits refresh on (and wishes he hadn't waited until the 11th hour to file) #565384
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01:34<dwfreed>!mtr-dallas 2001:48a8:0:8:0:3:0:232
01:35<linbot>dwfreed: timed out
01:35<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr] 15 hops, 20.0%/708.9ms (urmom)
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01:38<dcraig>maybe the database dump could be niced
01:38<dcraig>if you're worried about it interfering with other stuff running on the machine
01:39<mDuff>...well, no response on the ticket yet, so I'll open the question up here...
01:39<mDuff>I've got a bunch of machines whose assigned IPs are actually delegated to my load balancer / SSL decoding node, as they're being used for customer sites
01:40<mDuff>in hindsight, this was a Bad Idea -- so I'm looking to transfer those IPs over from the web servers to the load balancer, and get the servers assigned new IPs for their genuine individual use
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01:40<mDuff>what's the workflow to do this?
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01:45<dcraig>maybe submit a ticket :D
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01:52*mDuff ponders the difference between the hours when he can get a maintenance window scheduled and the hours when a fairly complex ticket is answered in 5 minutes
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02:08<dcraig>you can swap IPs around in the manager
02:09<dcraig>but you also need additional new IPs?
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02:10<mDuff>dcraig, right -- total number needs to increase if the systems are to have IPs they can use for direct outbound, since the ones they came with have been reassigned to serving customer sites
02:11*mDuff is well into his maintenance window with nothing on the ticket yet. Might just have to abort.
02:11<dcraig>I'd think you could get the new IPs allocated first
02:11<dcraig>and then do all the swapping whenever you want
02:11<dcraig>without the need for anyone else to be awake
02:12<mDuff>Indeed -- wasn't a great call on my part.
02:12<mDuff>too accustomed to great after-hours support :)
02:12<dcraig>where is everyone?
02:12<dcraig>usually at least heckman is around at night...
02:13<dcraig>maybe they give him one night off a week or something
02:13<dwfreed>I'd imagine, you can't work 7 nights a week all the time
02:13<linbot>New news from forums: Hosting for friend's website. in General Discussion <>
02:13<elkingrey>Ugg. In my attempt to fix something I have potentially made things worse. I don't know. I am trying to watch streaming video from Firefox but keep getting this error "Firefox doesn't know how to open this address, because the protocol (mms) isn't associated with any program." So, I followed the directions given here: which also did not work, and in my attempt to get rid of those two new lines I added, I find that
02:13<elkingrey> I cannot delete them. I reseted them, which didn't get rid of them(not sure I even WANT to get rid of them) and all it did was turn it into valueless strings, and I can't even get the Boolean back to a Boolean. It's stuck on string. Any ideas?
02:16<KyleXY>urgh... you have a GUI on your linode..?
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02:16<KyleXY>If so, I must personally slap you honestly
02:16<KyleXY>especially if you're trying to watch youtube on it,
02:16<elkingrey>oh no
02:17<elkingrey>sorry. This isn't a Linode problem.
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02:18<dcraig>to delete a preference, remove it from your prefs.js file
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02:18<dcraig>close firefox first
02:19<elkingrey>a preference?
02:20<dcraig>a thing in about:config
02:20<elkingrey>where is the prefs.js file?
02:21<dcraig>well, mine is in C:\Users\Craig\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\r5o6i64k.default
02:21<elkingrey>Do I even want to remove it? Where they not there at all to begin with? Also, how come it won't let me turn the string into a boolean?
02:22<dcraig>I have no idea
02:23<dcraig>I can't imagine that any streaming video website should expect users to make changes in about:config
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02:25<elkingrey>is mplayer the same as movie player?
02:27<elkingrey>would leaving a random string and boolean be a bad idea?
02:27<dcraig>how would that help anything?
02:28<elkingrey>Well, that's why I want to get rid of them. Seems weird I can't get rid of them through the same browser tab that I created them.
02:29<dcraig>maybe they'll let you delete configuration preferences in Firefox 10
02:33<rnowak>dcraig: only a few weeks away, so no worries
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02:33<elkingrey>dcraig: This is all I get when I open the prefs.js file.
02:33<dcraig>I'm already running the pre-alpha
02:34<dcraig>oh wow elkingrey mine had all kinds of crap in it
02:34<dcraig>sure you're in the right profile folder?
02:34<elkingrey>It's the only file I have labeled prefs.js
02:35<dcraig>I'm out of ideas
02:35<dcraig>time for a reinstall :P
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02:40<elkingrey>Okay, I stumbled across it. I reset the two of them, then quit FF. Upon restarting FF and looking in the about:config, they were gone.
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04:19<KyleXY>dwfreed: Well aren't you everywhere, heheh
04:19<dwfreed>KyleXY: heh, yeah, i guess
04:22*KyleXY facepalms at that Mac guy
04:22<KyleXY>gives the rest of us a bad name, heh
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04:40<dwfreed>KyleXY: hmm, do you think I should join #minecraft on freenode just for fun?
04:40<KyleXY>dwfreed: I actually op there :)
04:40<dwfreed>KyleXY: I noticed the last time I was there
04:40<KyleXY>dwfreed: along with the main #reddit channel, heh
04:41<KyleXY>(quite honestly, I know people too well)
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04:47<ariston^>hi gurus, what's the lightest/easiest to install mail server on fc15
04:50<KyleXY>ariston^: by following the library
04:50<linbot>KyleXY: (library <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
04:50<KyleXY>!library Postfix
04:50<linbot>KyleXY: 1. Postfix Guides - | 2. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
04:51<ariston^>i checked that no guide for fc15
04:51<KyleXY>ariston^: -- f13
04:51<KyleXY>shouldn't have changed much
05:03<dwfreed>When in the third display mode of mtr in curses mode, what does ">" mean?
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05:07<AlexC_>dwfreed: a quick Google suggests that '>' means greater than the scale printed
05:07<amitz>not conclusive yet aka a response may be coming?
05:07<amitz>AlexC_: what scale?
05:07<AlexC_>amitz: at the bottom, you should see 'Scale: text here, text here'
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05:08*amitz wonders if he is thinking the same thing
05:08<KyleXY>dwfreed: I absolutely hate Eyes, for the record..
05:09<dwfreed>KyleXY: Eyes?
05:09<KyleXY>dwfreed: /me points to freenode minecraft
05:10<dwfreed>KyleXY: ah, wasn't paying attention
05:10<KyleXY>he's just a general annoyance to the entire freenode and even staticbox
05:10<@Praefectus>this is not a "discuss 30 other channels on different networks" channel dawg
05:10<KyleXY>Praefectus: ;)
05:11<dwfreed>KyleXY: /msg works nicely
05:11<KyleXY>dwfreed: Under normal circumstances it would, but I have s many windows now it's hard to notice when they go off the screen
05:12<dwfreed>KyleXY: Meta-A is handy
05:12<KyleXY>dwfreed: not on channels where people are always doing something, heh
05:13<dwfreed>KyleXY: it will go to "special" activity windows first
05:13<KyleXY>dwfreed: I have too many of those :p
05:13<KyleXY>I'll remedy it once I get close enough to this router
05:13<KyleXY>right now I'm stuck at 5kb/s, and I'm dying.
05:14<@Praefectus>DIE FASTER
05:14<dwfreed>KyleXY: that's how fast my internet goes currently
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05:14<KyleXY>wooooooo that took a while to spam my terminal
05:14<KyleXY>so many nicks,
05:14<@Praefectus>KyleXY: you should die as fast as my safari did (twice)
05:14<dwfreed>only 469
05:15<KyleXY>dwfreed: a lot of newlines,
05:15<KyleXY>44.83 newlines
05:16<dwfreed>especially since irssi only does 6 to a row...
05:16<amitz>so many new lines...
05:16<KyleXY>no matter your term siz,ɛ
05:17<dwfreed>KyleXY: there's a setting for it actually, see /set names_max_columns
05:17*dwfreed just discovered this
05:17<KyleXY>dwfreed: I would rather they did it depending on how wide your term is
05:17<KyleXY>and the max nicklength for that network to determine it
05:17<dwfreed>That might be possible, checking the documentation
05:17<KyleXY>but meh
05:18<KyleXY>because my terminal size varies on how my eyes are at that moment
05:18<KyleXY>I'm blind as a bat usually.
05:18<dwfreed>KyleXY: /set names_max_columns 0
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05:19<KyleXY>dwfreed: thank ye
05:19<dwfreed>yay, much fewer newlines!
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05:20<KyleXY>that might just be a bit worse in the long run too though, heheh
05:20<KyleXY>more letters, more data,
05:20*KyleXY shrugs
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05:20<amitz>and i still see plenty of newlines ;-)
05:22<dwfreed>a lot fewer than before:
05:22<dwfreed>1920x1080 ftw
05:22<KyleXY>dwfreed: but more data in the long run on a window switch considering it takes longer to move up
05:22<KyleXY>so meh, win lose
05:23<amitz>!enter is what i meant
05:23<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
05:23<KyleXY>amitz: Sorry, it's late at night, my mind gets like swiss cheese
05:23<KyleXY>amitz: really to the point where my thoughts are broken up :(
05:24<dwfreed>Heh, it's early morning here now (same timezone as linode)
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05:25<dwfreed>And I don't have issues with slow window switches, and I'm on dialup (I don't mind waiting 1 second for a window switch)
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05:44<ariston^>hi how can i make our linode ip a FQDN?
05:46<Peng>ariston^: If you want to change a Linode IP's FQDN, set up the proper forward DNS record, then go to the manager, click the node, click the Remote Access tab, click Reverse DNS, and enter the FQDN.
05:46<Peng>ariston^: Make sure the forward DNS record works first, because the manager will check it.
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05:49<ariston^>hi peng how do i setup the proper dns record?
05:49<ariston^>the forward dns records
05:52<ariston^>our nameserver is on fatcow and our domain is pointed on our linode ip
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05:53<ariston^>pls help
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06:03<Peng>Uh, whoops, forgot about IRC.
06:04<Peng>ariston^: What exactly do you mean by "how can I make our linode ip a FQDN" anyway? Do you want to change your Linode IP's FQDN? It already has one by default, something like (Unless it's IPv6, anyway.)
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06:06<ariston^>yes can we changed that to ?
06:07<ariston^>cause we are not able to relay mails because our NS server tells us it's not FQDN
06:07<ariston^>and we can only allow our ip/domain on their whitelist, which is hosted on fatcow
06:08<Peng>It'd be better to change it to something like "" rather than just "".
06:09<Peng>ariston^: Read
06:09<Peng>Oh, !hostname works for that too. I should remember that.
06:13<ariston^>then i need to point on A records of our dns?
06:13<ariston^>before assign it on reverse?
06:13<ariston^>on linode
06:14<Peng>ariston^: Yes
06:14<ariston^>@peng and can be pointed sa MX records as well?
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06:14<ariston^>since we are planing to migrate mail on one linode
06:15<Peng>Uhhh. Receiving mail is a different matter than sending mail.
06:16<Peng>I understand the hostname part, but I'd rather not advise someone on the details of setting up mail itself.
06:16<Peng>The Linode Library probably has something, though. :D
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07:25<GLaDOSDan>so one of my nodes just got the sshd bruteforced, nothing out of the ordinary
07:25<GLaDOSDan>other than the address the attack came from :|
07:25<GLaDOSDan>IP: (US/United States/
07:31<@Praefectus>that was me, my bad
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07:34<GLaDOSDan>heh, they killed already
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08:15<linbot>New news from forums: Some Ideas for Linode Manager in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
08:18<rnowak>so Praefectus, you're saying you're an exhibitionist?
08:19<@Praefectus>no, i provide pay-per-view access to exhibitionist shows
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08:22<marius>So I just woke up, and my first thought when reading that, Praefectus, was that you run a porn site xD
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08:23<@Praefectus>marius: you should know, your whole-house feed is on it
08:24<marius>not surprised, I'm one sexy bitch ;)
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08:32<HoopyCat>ahhh, censorship. (alas, is probably blocked too)
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10:58<snoha>Hey, really daft question but I cant find the apache error logs. its been a while since ive touched my box. i had it written down as /var/log/apache2/error.log but thats not bringing me up any logs.
11:00<Peng>Can you find your Apache configuration? That should tell you the log location.
11:00<snoha>i using 10.4 lucid
11:01<snoha>apache config. let me try and find that.
11:01<Peng>/etc/apache2 I think?
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11:04<AlexC_>snoha: `grep -r ErrorLog /etc/apache2`
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11:05<snoha>perfect thanks
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11:29<mib_w6l90b>can somoene help me in setting groups
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11:31<linbot>New news from forums: Is my business plan screwed? (DDoS question) in General Discussion <>
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11:31<akerl>I occasionally wish that the topic had something along the lines of "You might have to wait more than 30 seconds for a response"
11:32<Musfuut>akerl: But would they have time to read the topic?
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11:33<Solver>akerl: yeah it is a common annoyance
11:34<akerl>Perhaps a note above linode's web irc client? Since a lot of the people who leave after 30 seconds seem to be
11:34<Solver>it would principally be a problem with irc newbies so that makes sense
11:34<Solver>yeah a note above the chat client could certainly help
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12:14<pml>Hi. I'm wondering why apt-get on debian 6 is saying my php5 is the lastest version. I have php 5.3.3, but the latest stable is 5.3.7. Thanks.
12:14<akerl>pml: Where are you seeing 5.3.7 as latest stable?
12:14<pml>I'm seeing it here,
12:15<pml>My xampp is using 5.3.5
12:15<akerl>pml: Debian packages php for release with their distro.
12:15<akerl>As does xampp
12:16<pml>I'm just hoping an upgrade to the latest will fix my php mysql issue. I should not upgrade to 5.3.7?
12:16<akerl>Generally, compiling from source is a bad idea.
12:16<akerl>What is your issue?
12:16<pml>I agree. :-)
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12:18<pml>I create a simple test table that has 5 rows, each mediumtext. Well, mysqli on debian requires 67MB of allocated ram, while xammp does not.
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12:19<pml>IOW, php on debian is sucking up 67MB of ram even though the row takes up less than 100 bytes.
12:19<akerl>What does php have to do with any of this?
12:19<pml>I'm using php to connect to mysql.
12:19<akerl>And by what metric are you determining RAM usage?
12:20<pml>to determine memory usage: memory_get_usage()
12:20<pml>on xampp, php memory usage never goes over 0.37MB :-)
12:21<pml>I've used htop. For a flicker in time it shows a jump from ~ 70MB to 140MB.
12:22<rnowak>eh, bs, that is all
12:22<akerl>I still have no idea what your issue is
12:22<pml>The issue is that the db call from php is taking too much memory.
12:23<laser`>pml: What's the memory usage before the query?
12:23<laser`>(i.e., memory_get_usage(); query(); memory_get_usage();)
12:23<pml>on debain it's almost the same as on xampp/windows, ~ 0.37MB
12:24<pml>but right after the bind, it jumpts to 67MB.
12:24<pml>I'm using prepared statements.
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12:26<akerl>Point the first: xampp on windows is not a good basis for comparison
12:26<pml>sorry, my 67MB is for another test where I was calling 4 rows, not 5.
12:27<pml>a mediumtext data type is 16777216 bytes max. So php on debian is allocating memory for worst case senario, which is 4*16777216 = 67108864 bytes.
12:28<rnowak>it would be the mysql lib you're using with php doing it
12:28<hawk>pml: perhaps
12:28<pml>My tables are never in a million years going to be that big. More like 1/4 MB. Maybe there's a way of telling php to not allocate so much memory for its worst case senario function.
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12:29<akerl><rnowak> it would be the mysql lib you're using with php doing it
12:29<akerl>Forget about php
12:29<rnowak>does the same happen if you do not use prepared statements / binding?
12:29<pml>Thanks. I'll take a look at that.
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12:30<pml>rnowak: that's a good test to do.
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12:30<pml>, but I use prepared statements because it's secure.
12:30<pml>more secure.
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12:31<AlexC_>pml: what extension are you using?
12:31<pml>that bug page appears to be my issue.
12:32<pml>extension? I don't see any extensions listed in the php.ini
12:32<AlexC_>pml: nm I found the answer: mysqli
12:33<AlexC_>pml: that bug report is to do with bind_result, which is *not* the same prepared statements
12:34<pml>I'm using mysqli_stmt_bind_result
12:34<AlexC_>you're best off not using bind_result anyway. It's a fugly way of doing things
12:35<pml>any alternative? Thanks.
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12:38<AlexC_>pml: get_result IMO makes the code easier to read
12:38<pml>Hmm, that bug page says a fix is to use SUBSTRING() in the statement, but it says that slows it down. It forces mysqli to check the actual size before allocating.
12:39<hawk>I wouldn't say "fix", more like one form of workaround
12:39<pml>according to the bug page, the issue is not the bind, but mysqli
12:40<pml>okay, a workaround. :-)
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12:41<pml>Great. Thanks for link to the bug report. Your google skills are better!
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12:42<pml>It says the bug was fixed in 2005 and the substring() is not needed. Maybe the bug was recently reintroduced.
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12:45<hawk>pml: They say they changed it so that it should behave better provided that you use store_results... are you?
12:45<ferik>if you saw openssl take 100% CPU where would you beging to investigate?
12:45<hawk>ferik: What is it doing?
12:45<ferik>take 100% cpu, I dont' even know what is using it
12:45<@jed>as in, the openssl binary?
12:45<ferik>jed: seems so
12:46<@jed>things that "use" SSL just link against the openssl libs, so if the *binary* is running, something is making a key or something otherwise bizarre
12:46<@jed>or who knows
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12:47<hawk>ferik: Any hint as to where the process comes from in your ps output (ps aufx or whatnot?)
12:47<ferik>hawk: no, trying to investigate
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12:57<pml>hi hawk. I was away. ... a second.
12:58<pml>hawk: I'm not using store_results. store_results is better?
13:00<pml>btw, there seems to be something odd with my php on debian on linode. on debian it gives the error "Call to undefined function mysqli_stmt_get_result" Phpversion shows 5.3.3-7+squeeze3. Could they have accidently compiled an older version of php with this distro?
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13:01<A-KO>did you install the mysql functionality? I know on ubuntu to get mysql one has tp apt-get install php5-mysql or whatever it is
13:01<pml>when I copy the same code to xampp, it works great.
13:01<A-KO>did you install mysql functions to php? heh
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13:02<pml>yes, I did apt-get install php5-mysql
13:02<pml>although on the other cmd line I did not install pear. I did apt-get install php5 php5-suhosin
13:03<A-KO> ?
13:03<pml>I merely followed the linode instructions, except for the pear.
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13:04<hawk>pml: I have no idea if it's better, but the bug said that what they changed was the behavior when using store_results specifically
13:05<hawk>pml: If you're not using that, I believe it's entirely expected that it behaves the same as before
13:05<hawk>pml: (Ie, nothing that suggests some bug was reintroduced)
13:07<pml>debian linode is using 5.3.3 and xampp is using 5.3.5. I see no massive memory allocs in the xampp. What is required to update my debian to at least php 5.3.5?
13:08<rnowak>You'd need to compile from source, or find someone that has done it and provides a .deb / repo
13:08<hawk>pml: There is no such package for the stable Debian version
13:08<tktiddle>Does linode have a Scientific linux image for installation?
13:08<rnowak>Security fixes would then be your responsibility to keep track of, beware
13:09<Peng>tktiddle: No
13:09<pml>I'd be best to not touch it then. :-(
13:09<Peng>tktiddle: Half a dozen people have asked for it in a thread on the forum, though
13:09<tktiddle>OK, can i make my own image then?
13:09<Peng>tktiddle: Certainly
13:09<hawk>tktiddle: You can make your own if you really need it, or use centos or something else that is similar if that's ok
13:09<tktiddle>any docs?
13:09<linbot>Peng: "custom" could be
13:09<akerl>!l custom
13:09<Peng>!library custom
13:09<linbot>Peng: 1. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS - | 2. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 3. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB -
13:10<Peng>tktiddle: ^
13:12<tktiddle>Peng: its got 5 years support you see
13:12<akerl>tktiddle: I hope that 5 years of support isn't your only reason for using sl
13:12<Peng>Hmm, I was wrong. Only 3 people have posted in the Scientific Linux thread. I think I confused it with the CentOS 6 thread.
13:12<akerl>Peng: That more people want centos 6 than sci linux concerns me :p
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13:14<Peng>akerl: That was my plan.
13:15<rnowak>they should have based SL on debian !
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13:15<Peng>rnowak: But then it would be...Debian.
13:16<Peng>Err, that came out wrong.
13:16<rnowak>Debian with a few nice additions
13:16<akerl>Like Science?
13:16<Peng>I mean, SL based on Debian would be the exact same thing as Debian, no?
13:16<rnowak>most certainly
13:17<rnowak>They focus their development on SL, with everything they create being made in mind for SL
13:17<rnowak>So had they done it on debian, it would have been moar bettar.
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13:19<jkwood>Ha ha ha Debian ha ha ha
13:20<rnowak>are you fnord4life now?
13:20<@fnord>I'm fnord4now
13:23<avenj>tjfontai1e: who do i blow to get my hands on a nickname w/ last quit in 2004? :)
13:24<akerl>avenj: #oftcv
13:24<akerl>avenj: #oftc
13:24<avenj>all of them? :(
13:24<akerl>I can't type today
13:24<Obsidian|server>all of them
13:24<avenj>well, slow day anyway I guess
13:24<Peng>But you have to do it in the right order, or they won't give you the nick
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13:25<Obsidian|server>it might take a while
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13:25<thorrr>i am trying to dump a database, but it keeps giving me a lost connection to Mysql server error
13:26<akerl>port knocking ftw
13:26<thorrr>what can i do to try and fix this?
13:26<Obsidian|server>doing it locally?
13:26<thorrr>well over ssh
13:26<thorrr>on my linode
13:26<Obsidian|server>dumping it to a local file?
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13:27<Obsidian|server>how big is the db?
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13:27<Obsidian|server>like, several gig?
13:28<thorrr>i think about 2
13:28*fnord moons deimos
13:28<marius>How are you dumping it
13:28*deimos fords fnords
13:29<marius>fnord: y u steal my joke?
13:29<Obsidian|server>thorrr: at the end of your command, add "2>>err.log"
13:29<Obsidian|server>thorrr: rerun, see if anything else is going on
13:29<thorrr>wont that just redirect std error to a log file?
13:29<Obsidian|server>also, see if you need to increase timeout
13:29<thorrr>increase timeout
13:29<Obsidian|server>you may also want to try the -q flag, do it unbuffered if you aren't already
13:31<Obsidian|server>I'm seeing stuff about raising "max_allowed_packet" possibly for mysqldump
13:32<Obsidian|server>erm, nevermind, that's unrelated, someone made a bad suggestion about that
13:33<thorrr>Hmm i'll try -q now
13:33<thorrr>i think it does die when it hits the biggest table
13:34<Obsidian|server>there's also -e apparently, which uses "extended inserts"
13:34<Obsidian|server>might be one to look at
13:34<Obsidian|server>reduces the amount of output
13:36<pml>AlexC_, are you around? You recommended using mysqli_stmt_get_result. You've seen that work on a linode debian server?
13:38<thorrr>Hmm, Maybe if this does not work i can do it table by table
13:38<Obsidian|server>might have to. Might be better to do it that way anyways, hard to say
13:38<Obsidian|server>if your DB keeps expanding in size, might want to prepare for even further expansion now
13:38<thorrr>heh, yeah
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13:49<kerle>when /bin/dd is used to move disk images around, will the full size of the device/partition be sent, or the size 'in use'?
13:50<akerl>dd copies everything
13:50<akerl>Well, everything you tell it to copy
13:50<akerl>It knows nothing of files or usage
13:51<kerle>that's more than I want to send over the wire
13:55<pml>I wonder why debian is using libmysql driver. I'm reading that mysqlnd is better, mysqlnd keeps every row only once in memory, while libmysql has it twice in memory. My xampp install uses mysqlnd, which appears to be why it does not alloc 67MB.
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14:03<Obsidian|server>debian probably uses libmysql because it has the letters "lib" at the start of it
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14:05<Obsidian|server>if one were to code two similar, yet differently named self-destruct libraries called "libexplode" and "explodedn", it's likely that debian would go for libexplode.
14:06<SleePy>I can't even find mysqlnd in a apt-cache search :|
14:06<Obsidian|server>I think I heard a debian package maintainer just squeal in joy like a little girl
14:06<rnowak>mysqlnd is part of php, and has to be compiled in
14:06<Obsidian|server>rnowak: you're to blame for this
14:06<Obsidian|server>you have to break the news that "liblib" doesn't exist to them
14:06<SleePy>rnowak, Yea, but I would expect to at least find a php-mysqlnd package :|
14:06<Obsidian|server>is it php5- perhaps?
14:07<SleePy>I did a apt-cache search, it should of returned the results if any package mentioned mysqlnd
14:07<SleePy>libcherokee-mod-mysql - Cherokee web server - MySQL user validator plugin
14:07<SleePy>php-mdb2-driver-mysql - PHP PEAR module to provide a MySQL driver for MDB2
14:07<SleePy>php5-mysql - MySQL module for php5
14:07<SleePy>Thats the only mysql mentioned packages :|
14:08*Obsidian|server just apt-cache searched for mysql, grep'd php
14:08<Obsidian|server>found nothing
14:08<rnowak>You won't find it, because it doesn't exist
14:08<rnowak>"We won't switch to mysqlnd for Squeeze but might be considered for a
14:08<rnowak>later release. The different changes in behaviour and (lack of)
14:08<rnowak>features would do more harm than good."
14:08<rnowak>fail paste, sorry
14:08<SleePy>Obsidian|server, I think your messed up. I found plenty of results using that
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14:09<SleePy>Intersting.. sqlite returns a result for apt-cache search mysql | grep php :|
14:09<Obsidian|server>SleePy: found nothing about mysqlnd
14:09<SleePy>OOH :D
14:09<Obsidian|server>I know
14:09<Obsidian|server>not sure how apt-cache thinks that relates to mysql
14:10<SleePy>Must be in the description
14:11<SleePy>Although I see none using showpkg :|.. Oh well
14:13<rnowak>"Description: SQLite module for php5 This package provides a module allowing you to use the SQLite self-contained database engine from within your PHP scripts, eliminating the need for a full SQL server installation like MySQL or PostgreSQL. It also includes the pdo_sqlite module, for use with the PHP Data Object extension."
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14:14<Obsidian|server>Wish they provided the pdo_pgsql extension in the repos
14:14<Obsidian|server>I had to compile it
14:15<Obsidian|server>it's not like it is any less broken than the pdo_mysql extension
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14:15<pml>I love debian, but would conisder switching to another if it used mysqknd
14:15<rnowak>"Description: PostgreSQL module for php5 This package provides a module for PostgreSQL database connections directly from PHP scripts. It also includes the pdo_pgsql module for use with the PHP Data Object extension."
14:16<pml>would that make postgresql faster or take less resources?
14:16<Obsidian|server>IT DOESN'T
14:16<Obsidian|server>bloody LIARS
14:18<hawk>Obsidian|server: What is it that it doesn't do?
14:18<pml>man, I need a fix soon! haha. I tried the substring workaround, and it's works, but it still consumes massive extra amounts of memory when mysqlnd on xampp does not.
14:18<Obsidian|server>hawk: include pdo_pgsql
14:19<Obsidian|server>when I installed that months ago, no pdo_pgsql
14:19<hawk>Obsidian|server: Sure looks like it does...
14:19<Obsidian|server>wonder if that's the same on the buntu 10.04 repo.
14:19<rnowak>in php5-pgsql .deb
14:20<Obsidian|server>bbl, off to go vent rage.
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14:34<@heckman>Blah, car blew up today :(
14:35<@fnord>I have seven layer dip.
14:35<@fnord>That makes my life COMPLETE
14:37<kerle>heckman: crap, what happened?
14:37<Tea>heckman: Hollywood style?
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14:39<@heckman>Got home from running errands and I had antifreze all over the engine compartment
14:40<@heckman>And my hood won't latch any more
14:40<@fnord>SpaceHobo: :(
14:42<marius>heckman: shouldn't have asked iceman to look at it then.
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15:29<skinnydude>Hey can someone help me with an issue i have? I'm hosting a minecraft server, and it keeps killing the server.
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15:30<akerl>And he's gone
15:30<Tea>Very descriptive.
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15:33<linbot>New news from forums: Cant connect to database server? in General Discussion <>
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15:34<akerl>Really, can we get a note on the web irc page saying "Don't leave because nobody answered in 4 seconds.
15:36<HoopyCat>Welcome to #Linode. I'm a Live IRC Idler. How may I help you in a few minutes when I glance at this window again?
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15:39<rnowak>Why isn't anyone answering my question???
15:39<HoopyCat>What is love?
15:39<rnowak>that one has already been answered
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15:40<mikegrb_>mmm cake
15:40<akerl>love is cake
15:41<mikegrb_>mmm cake
15:41<Tea>What is cake?
15:41<Tea>Baby don't frost me
15:41<Tea>Don't frost me
15:41<Tea>No more
15:42<Tea>If I knew anymore lyrics I could work the word 'icing' into there
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16:45<linbot>New news from forums: I have three different disk pratition on my linode... in General Discussion <>
16:49*akerl sets out face glue next to that link, so it's handy
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17:51<Lolz>i have question which is how i can use Tor with Mirc client to hide me ?
17:52<marius>...#1: TOR is lame
17:52<marius>#2: why do you need to hide
17:57<BP{k}>#3: mirc is lame ;)
17:57<marius>anyone familiar with WSDL, I'm having some issues cURL'ing a request to one gettign a 500 itnernal server error, it's definitely somethign trivial as SoapUI queries work fine
17:57<Peng>#4: IRC is lame
17:57<marius>#5: fnords are lame
17:57*marius whistles
17:57<Peng>#6: urmom is lame
17:57<@fnord>#7 Vikings suck
17:57<marius>You, me, outside, now.
17:57<@fnord>Well, not of the Minnesota variety
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17:58<marius>or inside, rawr ;)
17:58<@fnord>Just the Norwegian variety.
17:58<marius>but yes, WSDL; GO!
17:58<BP{k}>they're just pining for the fjords.
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18:00<Lolz>so wt do u guys suggest
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18:01<Peng>Lolz: We suggest Minnesotan Vikings, obviously.
18:01<marius>Granted throwing a real viking such as me in with them, and they would win by default.
18:02<Lolz>Peng is it free ?
18:02*marius facedesks
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18:17<noumaan>how does linode handles memory spikes?
18:18<@fnord>Once you swap the OOM don't stop?
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18:32<noumaan>I have used ubuntu and debian at home have basic understanding of terminal commands
18:32<noumaan>do you guys think i will be able to host my websites on linode?
18:33<Nivex>I much rather run with overcommit off so malloc actually fails rather than the machine dying a death by swapthrash
18:39<marius>I'm trying my hand at WSDL for the first time, I've looked at it in SoapUI first (as I was recommended to do) and tested my XML query, but when I try it with a cURL request I keep gettign a 500 server error, does anyone have a few minutes to help me figure this out?
18:40<marius>I've created a paste with the XML I use (including an api key for access) and my cURL bit;
18:43<SNy>You might need to set a SOAPAction header as well.
18:43<marius>a what?
18:43<SNy>Another header, key SOAPAction with the action you want to invoke.
18:44<SNy>I don't really know, I just have a bash script that uses wget to invoke a soap uri.
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18:44<SNy>And that uses another header. Seem to remember it failed without, but it's a while.
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18:44<marius>hmm, would you happen to know the exact header ?
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18:49<marius>SNy: You are a god. <3
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18:49<marius>defined the content as SOAP+XML in the header and it works
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19:18<@caker>it can only balance between Linodes in the same facility as the NodeBalancer
19:19<BEVENKY>so i wouldnt be able to node balance between 2 facilities?
19:19<BEVENKY>also, can it provide udp load balancing or only http/tcp?
19:19<@caker>at this point it's TCP only
19:20<@caker>(or http)...
19:21<BEVENKY>so hoand can it handle multiple domains
19:21<BEVENKY>meaning- and
19:21<BEVENKY>running as vhosts on one bo + 1 box
19:21<BEVENKY>and it balances to both these
19:21<BEVENKY>but has to be same dc?
19:21<BEVENKY>any way to do inter dc?
19:22<@caker>yeah, ask the user or redirect them to a rig in a different DC
19:22<BEVENKY>meaning domain.,com
19:22<@caker>I don't find much sense in 'balancing' between multiple DCs with the only balancer in one facility -- you don't get any benefit from that
19:22<BEVENKY>balances to dc 1 and dc 2 auto
19:23<@caker>if the balancer is in dc1, ALL requests still go through dc1
19:23<BEVENKY>so for this we would use dns balanceR?
19:23<bob2>you're just adding latency and not increasing dc-failure reliability
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19:24<Peng>BEVENKY: Yes, use DNS for balancing over multiple DCs.
19:24<Peng>BEVENKY: You can, of course, use a NodeBalancer in each DC if you want to
19:24<BEVENKY>ok, but thendns would be based on srv?
19:24<Peng>What do you mean?
19:24<bob2>you can have low ttl SRV records just like any other record type
19:25<BEVENKY>another question ois does linode provide autoscaling like aws? without rebooting linode?
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19:25<Peng>Can't use SRV for normal HTTP.
19:25<Peng>BEVENKY: What does "autoscaling like aws" mean?
19:25<@caker>AWS doesn't do that, BEVENKY
19:25<BEVENKY>like aws has a autoscaling
19:25<BEVENKY>i can add new instances when load hits 80%
19:25<@caker>aws has autoscaling by firing up more EC2 instances -- you can do that via
19:25<linbot>New news from forums: Hosting for friend's website. in General Discussion <>
19:26<BEVENKY>but same instance can it be resized
19:26<BEVENKY>when load hits 80%
19:26<BEVENKY>without reboot
19:26<@caker>no, it can't
19:26<BEVENKY> they do
19:26<bob2>but neither can aws
19:26<BEVENKY>they are budget vps but they can
19:27<BEVENKY>im wondering if its a tech limitation
19:27<@caker>intovps is also openvz :/
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19:27<bob2>kvm balloon yo
19:27<Yaakov>How the heck are you?
19:27<@caker>hello Yaakov
19:27<Peng>bob2: xen balloon yo
19:27<BEVENKY>they are
19:27<@caker>tired :)
19:27<Yaakov>I sense busy.
19:27<@caker>very .. some good stuff coming soon :)
19:28<Yaakov>Err... "Busy" with a capital BIZ.
19:28<BEVENKY>caker: was that for me?
19:29<Peng>Ha, caker has But it's a GoDaddy parking page. Ad-free, though.
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19:29<bob2>spoiler alert
19:30<HoopyCat>random nginx question: i have a rewrite rule as follows: rewrite ^/v/(.+)$ /main.php?g2_path=$1 last; ... when i feed it a URL like /v/The+Cats/, it is rewriting it to /main.php?g2_path=The%2bCats/ ... this is a problem, and different than what lighttpd does, alas.
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19:31<bob2>you /sure/ it is a problem?
19:31<HoopyCat>any good way to get it do /main.php?g2_path=The+Cats/ or should i just come up with a bad way?
19:32<bob2>is it being proxy_pass'd?
19:32<Obsidian|server>it's just auto urlencoding
19:32<Peng>Yeah, in a stupid way that breaks the URL. :-\
19:32<Obsidian|server>take the GET var and just urldecode it
19:32<Peng>Why not URL-encode the / too?
19:32<HoopyCat>bob2: works, works, works, does not work
19:33<Obsidian|server>Peng: probably assumed it is part of the URL string
19:33<bob2>if it's proxy_pass'd, random list stuff suggests removing the trailing / from the proxy_pass url
19:33<HoopyCat>first two are lighttpd, which passes + as +; second two are nginx, which passes + as %2b. it's also being fastcgi_pass'd and not proxy_passed
19:35<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: i didn't write the underlying software; if i did, this wouldn't be in the set of possible problems because i wouldn't have to emulate a 50-line .htaccess of rewrites ;-)
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19:38<HoopyCat> <--- i'm not crazy! yay!
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19:39<Obsidian|server>any way you can swap out the + for an underscore?
19:41<Obsidian|server>If you're thinking about how search engines would interpret that, I'd bet they'd consider them interchangable, the space and underscore, for word separators
19:42<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: now that you mention it, works...
19:43<HoopyCat>this will be my leverage
19:43<Obsidian|server>only problem is ensuring all internal links use %20
19:44<Peng>%20 and + are supposed to be interchangeable, though
19:44<Peng>I think? At least ideally they would be
19:44<Obsidian|server>and ideally, microsoft wouldn't be filthy rich
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19:47<HoopyCat>Peng: %2b isn't %20 :-)
19:48<HoopyCat>Peng: problem is that "The Cats" can either be encoded as "The+Cats" or "The%20Cats"; it's being encoded as "The+Cats" which is being re-encoded as "The%2bCats" which is NOT "The Cats"
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19:51<Obsidian|server>so, blame drupal for not using a urlencoded space where proper?
19:55<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: gallery2, but sure. (although The+Cats *is* nicer-looking than The%20Cats)
19:55<HoopyCat>hooray for recursion! g2_path=The%25252bCats/2004-07-16%25252bGenny_s%20pictures%2520015.jpg.html
19:56*HoopyCat is having a little too much fun here
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20:18<HoopyCat>i kinda hate myself now and want to die, but, well, it's kinda like feeling guilty because you grazed someone's sandwich with a bullet while shooting them
20:18<Nivex>what. the. hell.
20:20<Obsidian|server>I'm pretty sure you could get that to work a lot nicer somehow
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20:20<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: nginx use PCRE syntax?
20:21<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: i believe so
20:21<Obsidian|server>gimme a sec
20:24<Peng>.* includes \+
20:25<Obsidian|server>does this work? (note, DO NOT USE ^ AND $)
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20:25<Obsidian|server>I'm not sure if nginx does the ignore-backreference thing
20:25<Obsidian|server>I hope it does
20:25<Obsidian|server>just use the replacement with $1 $2
20:25<Obsidian|server>and comment out the other rewrites
20:26<Obsidian|server>i'm hoping it behaves like a replace-all, and loops that
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20:26<Obsidian|server>if not I'll do it as if it's a single replace, it'll take a more complex regexp though
20:30<Obsidian|server>HoopyCat: ^
20:30<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: it does loop rewrites, BUT there's only one shot to get all of the plusses since they get escaped the first time they go through a rewrite
20:32<Obsidian|server>looks like recursive regexp is needed, maybe
20:32<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: what should the right-hand side be? "$1 $2"?
20:33<Obsidian|server>I would hope it runs it through like I think it will (like, a replace_all)
20:34<Obsidian|server>instead of just a standard replace, and stop after the first replacement
20:34<Obsidian|server>I've not played with nginx rewrites at all
20:34<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: given foo+bar+baz+quux, it gives me foo%20bar... so, it did the right thing, just once. lemme see here...
20:35<Obsidian|server>hmmmm, what about foo+bar/baz+quux btw?
20:35<Obsidian|server>sounds like it's a single rewrite, not a replace_all behavior, drat
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20:39<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: yeah, it just does one rewrite per go-around. i can get it to do the same rewrite multiple times through clever use of a location block, but that gets back to the original escaping problem
20:40<Obsidian|server>it does, yea
20:40<Obsidian|server>the best thing would be to get it to just drop the + entirely somehow
20:40<Obsidian|server>trying to think of how
20:41<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: ngx_http_perl_module :-)
20:42<Obsidian|server>the problem is that you're stuck with a finite number of $'s to stuff results into, can't merge them at all
20:42<Obsidian|server>at least, I have no idea how
20:43<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: i don't believe i have more than eight + in a pathname on the system
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20:43<Obsidian|server>to be honest, this is something for REQUEST_URI parsing >_>
20:43<Obsidian|server>which is what I do in my own code
20:44<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: yeah, because you don't rely on frickin' .htaccess to do URL dispatching :-)
20:44<Obsidian|server>I just rewrite the entire path (minus application base path) and split that up, and route it according to defined internal routes
20:44<Obsidian|server>pretty much
20:44<Obsidian|server>All I do is, RewriteRule . index.php [L]
20:44<HoopyCat>i have no idea how dynamically generating an .htaccess file can be easier than just parsing the URI in the first place
20:45<Obsidian|server>Me neither
20:45<Obsidian|server>^ I do this instead
20:46<Obsidian|server>match it to the correct path, extract vars according to the path's pattern, and call up the controller declared in the callback
20:46<Obsidian|server>drupal, no idea why they do it that way
20:47<linbot>New news from forums: Linode every partition is corrupted but it works. in General Discussion <>
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21:03<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: is how i usually roll
21:05<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: from what i've read (note that i haven't gotten to that part of the config yet :-), drupal is fairly sane about handling URLs... i think you just /foo/bar/baz/ -> index.php?q=foo/bar/baz/ or something
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21:22<Obsidian|server>I guess
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21:24<@fnord>I love you, linbot. <3
21:25<bob2>are you in hiding
21:25<@fnord>Not really.
21:26<Obsidian|server>Fun way to make SamT headdesk, insert this line into any PHP code of yours:
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21:27<Obsidian|server>global $_POST, $_GET;
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21:27<bob2>argh php is like watching a trainwreck except you're the train
21:28<dwfreed>bob2: funny you mentioned that, just watched the movie "Unstoppable" a few hours ago
21:29<synapt>Obsidian|server: ... wat?
21:30<Obsidian|server>the point is, it is absolutely pointless
21:30<Obsidian|server>SamT: what DID you do the last time you saw that?
21:31<synapt>Obsidian|server: I know, lol, kinda why I wut'd at first, just tab'd to see it
21:32*Obsidian|server kicks on wtfsma spotlight, smacks SamT
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21:34<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: for the morbidly curious, here's the config i ended up with:
21:35*Obsidian|server shakes fist at drupal
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21:35<Obsidian|server>that set of rewrites is just, ew.
21:35<Obsidian|server>Unavoidable right now, I know, but, god
21:35<Obsidian|server>that's hideous
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23:10<HoopyCat>Obsidian|server: drupal was easy-breezy in comparison... exactly one rewrite:
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23:12<HoopyCat>but for now, i sleep
23:13<Daevien>liar, you are typing on irc
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23:15<@Praefectus>Daevien: cats lie, it's in their nature
23:18<Daevien>thats true. sneaky little buggers
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23:25<Takyoji>Ugh, I've updated something with my Postfix installation regarding forwarding email to an address of another server, and it hasn't taken effect. I've tried 'newaliases', 'service postfix restart', 'service dovecot restart', and it still has the problem of sending it to the old address it was originally set to
23:29<Kyhwana_>check the logs?
23:30<Takyoji>Aug 22 01:25:32 nubilus postfix/cleanup[1251]: warning: database /etc/postfix/virtual.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/virtual
23:32<Defenestrator>Takyoji: sounds like you need to run postmap on /etc/postfix/virtual
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23:42<Takyoji>That resolved the issue, but I also have a minor warning as well I'd like to resolve (so it doesn't keep being logged) which is: Aug 21 23:14:42 nubilus postfix/trivial-rewrite[32486]: warning: do not list domain in BOTH virtual_alias_domains and virtual_mailbox_domains
23:44<Defenestrator>Is the actual domain in the message?
23:44<Takyoji>It is not
23:45<Defenestrator>OK. I'm not too familiar with those directives, but it sounds like virtual_mailbox_domains is for local delivery and virtual_alias_domains is for aliases that maybe get delivered elsewhere
23:45<Takyoji>If I have a domain which aliases to other accounts (perhaps off-server), and also mailboxes, which one would I list the domain under then?
23:45<Takyoji>also local mailboxes*
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23:46<Daevien>local delivery
23:47<Daevien>your machine will take the email, find it's got a forward to and send it. assuming your forwarding is sane anyway :p
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23:47<Takyoji>It won't eat it like the cookie monster? D:
23:47<Takyoji>But yes, I'll go with that then.
23:48<Daevien>no promise, i didn't set it up. thats generally how things are done and work though
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23:49<Takyoji>Also, for clarity: Postfix handles SMTP, while Dovecot does just POP3/IMAP, yes?
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23:51<synapt>amongst other things yes, more or less a general alternative to sendmail
23:51<Takyoji>because I don't have a clear understanding how to the two software solutions work together.
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23:51<Defenestrator>They don't talk to each other directly
23:52<Defenestrator>For local delivery, the SMTPD (Postfix) calls a delivery agent that writes the mail to the user's mailbox (mbox, Maildir, whatever)
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23:55<Takyoji>Also, anyone recommend a specific monitoring solution? (since I accidentally screwed up, and didn't decrypt a private key for a mailserver, which then started issues with receiving email, which I'd like to shove under the rug, and not have to find out when I email an address in the domain and it bounces..)
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23:56<Takyoji>and maybe even to the extent of writing additional tests for such a solution?
23:56<Takyoji>or something for log analysis
23:57<Takyoji>or just anything monitoring/analyzing
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.20040123, 0.12120004) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 99082 of 125813 (π ≈ 3.150135518587109 - 0.008542864997316). http://π
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