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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-08-26

---Logopened Fri Aug 26 00:00:47 2011
00:02<KyleXY>You can have a pi symbol in a domain? heh
00:03<linbot>Kyhwana: Point (0.58519173, 0.85036882) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 99089 of 125824 (π ≈ 3.150082655137335 - 0.008490001547542). http://π
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00:04<linbot>New news from forums: Inter-Datacenter VPN/Private Network. in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
00:05<Kyhwana>... it's not a private network if it's inter-datacenter
00:05<Peng>Kyhwana: It can be.
00:06<Kyhwana>Peng: if you do a VPN yourself, I guess?
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00:07<Peng>Kyhwana: Yes, but Linode could also do the VPN for us.
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00:08<@heckman>Or, you could do it yourself... :p
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00:10<gadams>but heckman you of all people should know
00:10<gadams>that requires effort!
00:10<Kyhwana>Where's the button that makes everything go?
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00:14<gadams>Next to the button of "More time"
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00:18<mig5>anyone else having a terrible time trying to load the Linode manager?
00:19<mig5>these things only seem to happen when you have a desperate need for it to work :)
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00:21<mig5>array: think you're in AU timezone. is the linode manager slow for you?
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00:24<@heckman>mig5: being looked in to, should be set momentarily (array is off tonight)
00:24<mig5>ah thanks. sorry array :)
00:24<@heckman>s/be set/be all set/
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00:25<mig5>seems much better now thanks
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01:14<@heckman>Hurricane Irene is now following me on Twitter. Hah
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01:18<Peng>heckman: And it's following you in real life. Go sail out to the middle of the ocean to save New England.
01:18<@heckman>My family is trying to convince me to drive back to PA for the weekend. I don't really feel like spending the $60 on gas and being bored.
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01:22<Peng>Pfft. Wusses.
01:22<Peng>Unless the storm is more headed towards PA. In which case, ehh, not worth it.
01:22<@heckman>Well, I think my GF is going to be stranded there anyway. Who knows
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01:26<amitz>heckman: is that your secet wish?
01:28<@heckman>What's a secet?
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01:31<@heckman>Oh, then why not just say secret? :3
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01:32<@heckman>And no. My real hope is that the eye of the storm passes directly overhead while it's still in good form so I can snap a few pictures.
01:32<amitz>well, can people actually survive that in real life?
01:33<Peng>amitz: It's a hurricane, not a tornado.
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01:33<Peng>amitz: And even if it's a devastating one, the eye is safe.
01:34<@heckman>Well, the eye is safe. Leading in and out of the eye can be a bit crappy.
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01:34<Peng>By "leading in and out" you mean "the surrounding 48 hours"?
01:35<@heckman>Indirectly, yes.
01:35<@heckman>I was specifically talking about how the eye wall is one of the strongest parts of the storms.
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01:36<@heckman>Hm, looks like she may pass over us during the daylight.
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01:38<vraa>anyone use thier linode for SIP?
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01:50<amitz>Peng: oh.. hurricane is cyclish?
01:51<bob2>it may even be...ELECTRIC
01:52<Peng>amitz: hurricane = typhoon = cyclone
01:52<amitz>i just realized, if i build a live cd with encryption, the write protect switch is moot...
01:52<amitz>so tornado is like 1 direction of wind?
01:52<JoeK>inb4 hurricane electric reference
01:53<JoeK>oh bob2, you crazy
01:55<Peng>Doesn't Jupiter have a cyclone like the size of the earth?
01:57<Defen>if only HE had hurricanes to explain their power issues...
01:59<Peng>400 km/h winds, nice
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02:37<amayhew>Anyone else having DNS issues?
02:37<Peng>Of what kind?
02:37<Peng> are responding for me
02:37<amayhew>Almost nothing from our domain currently resolves.
02:37<boba>your domain, being....
02:38<amayhew>try or
02:38<linbot>Peng: The query name does not exist.
02:38<amayhew>no changes (by us) have been made to the records since 7/31
02:38<Peng> 172800 IN NS
02:38<Peng> 172800 IN NS
02:40<amayhew>Oh, shit. Some asshat in my own IT org has changed the registry. Fuck. Okay. None of your problem.
02:43<dcraig>sent in el cloud?
02:43<dcraig>el cloud, por favor!
02:44*heckman slaps dcraig around a bit with a large cactus
02:44*dcraig tickles heckman around a bit with a large ribbon eel
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02:46<@heckman>tempesta: fix your internet...or connect through your Linode which has awesome internet. :p
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02:57<eighty4>Where do I find my referal codes?
02:58<eighty4>I must be blind. here on account?
02:58<@Praefectus>linode manager > myprofile
02:59<@Praefectus>top right corner
02:59<eighty4>there… my profile
02:59<marius>oh right, it's called profiles on there
02:59<marius>silly me
02:59<eighty4>account != profile it seems :)
02:59<marius>Praefectus: do you have any idea why logging in to the manager takes so long?
03:00<marius>it's been like this for a month or two now, whenever I login the redirect page sits there for like 20-30 seconds before anything happens
03:00<@Praefectus>logs right in for me, i think your viking beard is gettin in the way
03:00<marius>Try it in Chrome
03:00<Peng>Probably using Chrome -- ha, I knew it!
03:00<marius>It seems to be a chrome thing, all other browsers are pretty much instant
03:00<@heckman>I only use Chrome and it works fine for me.
03:01<@Praefectus>im at home, so im using chrome and its fine?
03:01<marius>well, it's slow in chrome, all other browsers I login and am redirected immediately
03:01<@heckman>Which version of Chrome?
03:01<eighty4>oh right, you can only use a referral code when creating a NEW account, not when creating a new node :)
03:01<@heckman>Or...which channel rather?
03:01<marius>latest of course
03:01<marius>13.0.782.112 m
03:01<@heckman>So dev build?
03:01<@heckman>Sorry, that's not the latest dev build. Try again
03:02<marius>wait, jut updated
03:02<@heckman>dev is on 15.X
03:02<marius>13.0.782.215 m
03:02<marius>latest stable ;)
03:02<@heckman>Ah, well maybe it's something they fixed in the newer versions.
03:03<@Praefectus>im using 12.0.742.122 m
03:04<@heckman>15.0.861.0 dev ftw
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03:50<marius>So that jawstats Iwas recommended last night is awesome
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05:23<linbot>New news from forums: Godaddy nameserver check failed in Linux Networking <>
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06:58<benu>is the new jersey data center in the path of hurricane irene?
07:00<@heckman>It's coming up the eastern seaboard so it'll get some of the weather.
07:00<benu>should i alert my users of possible shutdown?
07:01<@heckman>We're not anticipating downtime. They have backup power systems in place. Their fuel supplier (for the generators) is on stand by just in case they need some more.
07:09<hawk>I suppose the state of their backup power systems is better than those of a certain unnamed datacenter?
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07:16<Musfuut>I feel like such a geek saying that I get a physical high when I think of linode, either that or my meds are maladjusted...
07:17<ironie>bit of this, bit of that maybe?
07:18<Musfuut>Perhaps, next time I see my doctor I'll mention my concerns.
07:18<@Praefectus>hawk: chances are you wouldnt notice if they switched over to backup power
07:19*ironie assumes you aren't telling a freemont customer that ;)
07:19<@Praefectus>ironie: i was referring to newark
07:19<ironie>I was just ribbing...sorry
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07:22<@Praefectus>its too early for ribs, bring em back by around lunch time
07:22<ironie>tis lunchtime this side of the globe ;)
07:23<@Praefectus>7:22 am here, so come back in 5 hours!
07:23<hawk>Praefectus: Yes, that's what I would assume is the intended way for backup power to work in any datacenter.
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07:23<@Praefectus>hawk: thats how it works at most dcs :)
07:23<Musfuut>Bandwidth question, extra bandwidth is $0.10 per gb, what about overage cost? was that $0.15?
07:23<ironie>or so the stories go...
07:24<@Praefectus>Musfuut: yes, overage charges are $0.15 per 1 GB
07:24<Musfuut>Oh thank you :)
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07:28<amitz>ah yes, overcharge, me quickly observes his torrent seeding.
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07:30<amitz>will I get an email if I enter overcharge?
07:30<amitz>yes, I'm aware of the adjutable
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08:08<HoopyCat>amitz: i think the collections agency only works via telephone and snailmail
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08:11<amitz>HoopyCat: luckily, I'm sure I'll freeze to death if one of linode's employee come within my eye sight. the horror
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08:13<marius>I only fear that if heckman approaches.
08:13<marius>I hear rumors that stan wants my hot piece of ass ;)
08:13<payto>can you use linode's dns server if you don't currently have an active node, but have an account
08:14<marius>(Quite understandable really, my ass is hot)
08:14<marius>payto: that would be immoral, would it not? :P
08:14<HoopyCat>payto: nope; it will warn you of such when you try to delete your last linode
08:15<HoopyCat>marius: i might advise spending more time in the cold aisle, this time of year
08:15<payto>hm alright. thanks!
08:17<HoopyCat>amitz: <--- linode's collections agency
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08:36<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] Linode vs. TOR and internet privacy in Customer Testimonials <>
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08:42<HoopyCat>oh man, it's a poll?
08:43<HoopyCat>the things you miss via RSS
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08:55<HoopyCat>also, am i just the stupidest person on earth, or is it extraordinarily difficult to get from a google search for "Amazon Cloud Player" to the Amazon Cloud Player itself, and not documentation about how to use the Amazon Cloud Player, information about the Amazon Cloud Player, help for uploading music to the Amazon Cloud Player, or a page telling you how easy it is to get started with Amazon Cloud Player?
08:56*HoopyCat gets into a post-Windows-VM-reboot anger-funk
08:56<encode>I've never tried to use amazon cloud player, or discover anything about it
08:56<encode>so I can't accurately answer your question
08:57<@heckman>"Amazon Cloud Player Login" takes me to a page with a 'Launch Player' button
08:57<HoopyCat>as a test, i searched for "duck intestine" and will have a book on diseases of poultry here by tomorrow afternoon
08:57<chesty>my music cloud is accessed via nntp
08:58<chesty>are duck poultry?
08:58<HoopyCat>heckman: push that button; it takes me to "Getting Started: MP3 Store and Cloud Player for Web on iPad"
08:59<hawk>ironie: The range thing?
08:59<encode>ironie: that's old news
08:59<HoopyCat>chesty: poultry includes anatidae as well as galloanserae
08:59<ironie>wasn't to me ;)
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08:59<chesty>HoopyCat: thanks for clearing that up
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09:00<HoopyCat>chesty: i was hoping for a length of duck intestine itself, but will be very pleased if only a book arrives
09:01*encode posts HoopyCat a duck, replete with a full quota of duck intestine and other associated digestive system
09:02*HoopyCat GETs /wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Taiwanese_duck_farm.jpg HTTP/1.1, Host:
09:02<encode>ironie: see for some details on mitigation of that apache bug
09:03<HoopyCat>encode: i do know that you have to be very very careful shopping on the internet
09:03<HoopyCat>encode: it is possible to inadvertently order a box of live chickens
09:04<encode>it is also possible to advertently order a box of live chickens
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09:04<encode>but why the fascination with duck intestine?
09:05<HoopyCat>if you do order them, esp. on a friday with delivery attention to a certain heckman in new jersey, be sure to get them overnighted with saturday delivery
09:05<HoopyCat>encode: you'd think the cloud would be easier to get than duck intestines
09:05<encode>does heckman work at linode HQ on saturday?
09:05<HoopyCat>encode: with "duck intestines" being something that is difficult, but not impossible, to acquire
09:05<encode>because that's the only address I have for heckman
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09:06<encode>i would imagine a whole bovine digestive system would be somewhat more difficult to acquire
09:06<encode>and significantly more fun
09:07<ironie>you can get 2k of the a day at any good size meat packing plant
09:07<ironie>of them*
09:07<HoopyCat>encode: i can't tell, there's a big red streak over the office; i suspect if he is, he'll want to hightail it home during the eye:
09:08<ironie>most tripe is waashed bleached and sold as chicken in various soups and such
09:09*ironie takes my book of things you never wanted to know and puts it back away
09:09<encode>HoopyCat: oh yeah, I keep forgetting there's that hurricane going on. Don't hear much about it on the .au news
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09:10<chesty>i seem to have lost connection to freenode
09:10<chesty>how do you force a retry in irssi?
09:11<HoopyCat>encode: it was originally expected to hit florida, but the great earthquake threw things off enough that the national capitol's vacation-weakened bloviodome (a dome of hot air residing over the legislature) was easily overcome
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09:38<MTecknology>Overrated are pants, radiohead, sex, and sleep. One of those anyway... pick one, 50% chance you're right.
09:39<marius>pants too actually
09:39<marius>and with 4 options, how can one equal 50% ?
09:39<akerl>We call that a math fail
09:39<chesty>two are correct
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09:40<chesty>if 2 out of 4 are correct, i think you have a 50% change of being correct if you pick one
09:41<akerl>Except for "One of those anyway..."
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09:41<marius>The "one of those" bit invalidates the 2 of 4 being 50%
09:41<akerl>Though imho, you have a 100% chance of picking one that is overrated.
09:41<marius>nothing is as overrated as pants though!
09:42<MTecknology>chesty: you actually got what was in my head, nice
09:42<MTecknology>marius: radiohead is the one i picked
09:43<MTecknology>been listening to them for 4 hours now... i get it, but it's just dull
09:44<chesty>marius: i have two black rocks and two white rocks hidden in this bag, pick one rock. what is the change you picked a black rock
09:44<akerl>chesty: More like "I have 4 rocks in the bag, one of those is black, pick one, 50% chance."
09:45<akerl>The issue is that the english and the math don't match, one or the other needs to be corrected.
09:45<MTecknology>akerl: over thinking man
09:46<MTecknology>oh ver thing king
09:46<chesty>yes, sorry for wasting everyones bandwidth and quota on this.
09:50<MTecknology>this was fun, i feel like a troll now but that wasn't the intention
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10:08<markon>Hello! :)
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10:09<linbot>markon: hello!
10:11<markon>Is there already a help guide to configure apache + php-fpm on linode? I'd prefer to avoid the manual compiling of the needed software.
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10:12<akerl>markon: What distro?
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10:13<markon>akerl: ubuntu 10.04 lts
10:13<akerl>It's pretty much certain that you'll be manually compiling php then
10:14<markon>Do you suggest me FCGI instead of default PHP?
10:14<akerl>The alternative is to use a PPA, but I wouldn't recommend a ppa on a production server
10:14*akerl uses Arch with nginx/fpm, so I'm not the one to ask
10:14<AlexC_>markon: anything is better than mod_php; next FCGI then FPM
10:15<AviMarcus>I'm using ngingx + ppa of php5-fpm...
10:15<markon>no no, never... we're here because we want reliability and security :P
10:16<AlexC_>markon: do you plan on using APC?
10:16<markon>hmmm.. ok then I'll read the guide about FCGI on apache
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10:16<markon>AlexC_ on my current server I use APC...and it seems good
10:16<markon>but of course, if it exists a better solution... I've bought right now a 512MB plan.
10:16<markon>(on linode)
10:17<AlexC_>markon: well, running APC and PHP via FastCGI is not the best idea
10:17<markon>what would you suggest?
10:17<AlexC_>markon: FPM like you were initially going to do. How come you don't want to compile?
10:18<akerl>If you're looking to avoid compiling, nginx frontend with php proxied to apache/prefork/mod_php would do it
10:19<markon>hmm... if I could avoid compiling, I'd do that, but ... if our performance can be better, well, I decide to compile :)
10:19<markon>akerl: then I need nginx + apache?
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10:21<akerl>Yea, that way
10:24<markon>hmm, but my plan is 512MB...Would I use more resources?
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10:26<JshWright>markon: a 512 will be just fine for a properly configured PHP app
10:26<JshWright>caching will be your friend (both APC to speed up PHP and memcached to reduce the load on your database)
10:27<markon>Hmm, I've read lots of good things about nginx "to serve static content", but they also say Apache is more skilled to serve dynamic content...
10:27<JshWright>nginx by itself doesn't handle dynamic content (that's not quite right, but close enough for your purposes), it has to hand off PHP stuff to another process
10:28<JshWright>that 'other process' could either be an fcgi process (managed by either FastCGI or FPM), or it could be Apache running mod_php
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10:29<markon>So ... nginx to serve static content and apache to serve dynamic content, But are you sure 512MB is enough?
10:29<markon>(or maybe 768,...)
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10:30<linbot>New news from forums: Apache MPM-ITK, mod_fcgid problems.. in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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10:32<JshWright>markon: I run 4 wordpress blogs, a mediawiki instance, and 2 django apps on a 512
10:32<markon>OMG... on my current server I'm running apache + mysql and I need about ~800 MB... and it's very slow -.-'
10:33<JshWright>did you modify Apache's config at all?
10:33<JshWright>Out of the box, Apache assumes it has a pretty stupendously large amount of RAM
10:34<markon>I modified some entries, like KeepAlive and so on ...
10:34<markon>are you referring to other options?
10:34<JshWright>MaxClients is the big one
10:34<JshWright>out of the box, it's set _way_ too high
10:35<markon>please, wait. i'll paste my current config on pastebin :)
10:35<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
10:37<markon>I've chosen these settings by trying and trying...
10:37<@caker>You want MaxClients to like 10 or 20, and disable KeepAlives
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10:39<markon>caker, MaxClients is the maximum number of clients connected, isn't it?
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10:39<JshWright>markon: yes
10:39<markon>(simultaneous requests served)
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10:39<@caker>no. In prefork it's the number of simultaneous requests that can be serviced
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10:40<@caker>when you disable KeepAlives, browsers only get one request per connection, and can't keep that connection open, so it opens the door for other "clients" (browsers)
10:40<@caker>in reality, MaxClients of 10 with KeepAlives disabled can service up MANY people all whacking the reload button at the same time -- far more than 10
10:41<@caker>that is, of course, unless the requests are long-running (slow download, etc)
10:41<markon>hmm.. okay, but I don't understand now if you suggest me to try to configure nginx + apache (to serve dynamic content) or simply change my current configuration
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10:42<@caker>scerw that - just fix apache and move on
10:42<JshWright>markon: what sort of PHP app are you running?
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10:42<JshWright>for the _vast_ majority of PHP sites out there, dropping MaxClients to 10 and turning off KeepAlives will be all you need to do
10:43<markon>hmm, JshWright: SMF 2
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10:46<markon>caker, the config I've shown is on the server I'm moving from. I guess it won't help our performance... Do you suggest me to use the same apache + mod_php + APC (with the new config) I've on the old host, or do you suggest me to begin from scratch with nginx + apache?
10:47<markon>Every 5 minute somebody suggests a new configuration. hahaha :P
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10:48<@caker>markon: don't add complexity. Apache, when tuned correctly, works great
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10:49<markon>Ok, then I'll try with a basic configuration. If I won't experience better performances, I'll try to do some improvements...
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10:54<praetorian>i saw this title.. then saw where the article is from.
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10:54<praetorian>New Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'I'm Thinking Printers'
11:01<@jed> <--
11:01<@jed>the triumphant return of snowcam is upon us
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11:10<geekyogi>Please help me choose best VPS server location with Good routes to India and IPv6 support for the 5 datacenter locations.
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11:11<geekyogi>thanks guys
11:12<chesty>not sure if it has ipv6 records though
11:13<geekyogi>yeah, It's important for me to kknow that
11:13<chesty> has no AAAA record
11:13<geekyogi>anyone else?
11:15<JshWright>geekyogi: can you give me an example of an Indian IP address?
11:16<JshWright>fremont is almost certainly going to be your best bet at this point
11:18<rnowak>fireing up the VBGUI, we'll have this in no time
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11:25<HoopyCat>jed: yay!
11:25*HoopyCat puts it up on the big board
11:25<@jed>might get some good storms today
11:26<Musfuut>Is there a way to visit a website as ipv6? I tried putting my address in firefox and all it did was do a search for the address x_x
11:26<HoopyCat>jed: sure this is live? i think i saw the same two cars going east twice in a row
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11:26<@jed>HoopyCat: ;)
11:27<chesty>why are they driving on the wrong side of the road?
11:27<HoopyCat>Musfuut: like, to enter an IPv6 address directly? http://[2600:3c03::13:3142]/
11:27<Tea>Well my disk IO had a huge spike. I hope I'm not hurting anyone else's VPS.
11:27<Musfuut>yeah, it seems the address needs brackets?
11:28<Musfuut>ah yeah like you did
11:29<HoopyCat>Musfuut: the brackets are needed in many cases, to resolve ambiguity; e.g. with URLs, scheme://username:password@domain:port/path?query_string#fragment_id
11:30<@jed>I need the adjustment knobs
11:30*jed digs around flash UI
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11:30<HoopyCat>(is http://2001:db8:85a3::beef:69/ port 80 on 2001:db8:85a3::beef:69 or port 69 on 2001:db8:85a3::beef?)
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11:32<Musfuut>I notice your address is about half the length of mine HoopyCat, do I use the whole address of mine or do I cut it off someplace?
11:33<HoopyCat>jed: might also recommend including a map of where the camera is located/which way it is facing, should the video stream go bacterial
11:34<Tea>HoopyCat'll be running for his life now
11:34<HoopyCat>sorry, i think jed was moving the camera
11:36<@jed>17 viewers, christ
11:36<HoopyCat>Musfuut: might be what you're referring to; for this, i tend to leave as many zeros as possible in the IPv6 addresses i have to muck with
11:37<praetorian>that wind is off the charts.
11:38<chesty>sorry, it's mexican night
11:38<Musfuut>HoopyCat: If my IPv6 was like 2600:3c00::f00f:920a:c132/64 what and I put that into an AAAA minus the /64 part, I would use the entire thing, since I have no digits to condense? So the reason it is not responding is because I have not told apache to bind to that address or routed it to my IPv4 address?
11:39<Musfuut>Sorry I know I should be much more up to date on IPv6
11:39<linbot>New news from forums: How to create a secondary partition? in General Discussion <>
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11:40<HoopyCat>Musfuut: you'd use "2600:3c00::f00f:920a:c132" for the AAAA record (sans quotes, of course); it's already been condensed, hence the ::
11:41<Musfuut>I like your avatar btw HoopyCat, I tried that prank once with my brothers kids but it didn't work. For some reason he knew one wasn't missing and further got mad at me for spray painting numbers on the backs of their shirts.
11:41<HoopyCat>Musfuut: i believe, by default, apache will pick it up just fine, although if your <VirtualHost> tags have your IP address in 'em, you'll need to add the IPv6 address too (like <VirtualHost [2001:db8::b00b]:80>)
11:41<Musfuut>Ah kk
11:42<Musfuut>odd, I'm getting an unable to connect...
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11:42<Musfuut>wait... iptables
11:42<HoopyCat>Musfuut: thanks... i can't recall exactly how it ended up as my avatar, but it's probably from how linode datacenters are numbered in the API :-)
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11:42<@jed>HoopyCat: DatacenterID 5 is sekrit
11:43<HoopyCat>Musfuut: pastebin forth the following: netstat -ntl, iptables -L -n -v, ip6tables -L -n -v
11:44<HoopyCat>jed: so that means DatacenterID 1 is the office! :-)
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11:44<@jed>nah, 5 is
11:44<Musfuut>Are those dos commands? Windows cannot find the files specified? jk, one sec
11:44<@jed>1 is something else
11:44<@ericoc>1 is prehistoric?
11:44<@jed>the land before time.
11:44<HoopyCat>Freemont is pointed there, to troll people with poor spelling
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11:45<HoopyCat>dang, so much for that
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11:49<HoopyCat>Musfuut: also, from the same web browser you're using to test, do you get the dancing turtle on ?
11:51<Musfuut>No I do not, should I?
11:51<linbot>HoopyCat: Point (0.03597748, 0.58425472) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 99091 of 125827 (π ≈ 3.150071129407838 - 0.008478475818045). http://π
11:51<HoopyCat>Musfuut: does the URL there work? (expands to )
11:52<Musfuut>It expands but does not load
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11:53<HoopyCat>Musfuut: is IPv4/IPv6 dual-stacked, π is IPv6-only; a stationary turtle on indicates your browser is preferring IPv4, an inability to reach π indicates that you can't reach the IPv6 internet
11:53<Musfuut>Very cool
11:53<Musfuut>I like you HoopyCat :3
11:53<HoopyCat>Musfuut: so, IPv6 may be working fine on your linode, but it's not working from your web browser so you can't test it
11:57<Musfuut>lets see
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11:58<HoopyCat>wow, my netbook has three working default routes to the IPv6 internet, with equal metric... i should tweak that a bit
11:58<Musfuut>Good news is, it isn't my isp, router, nor network. Since a different PC is able to view ipv6, so it is my windows 7 box which is teh fail
11:59<Musfuut>I may have disabled ipv6 on it
11:59<Musfuut>a long while back
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12:00<@jed>taking requests for things to plank on hurricam during the hurricane, btw
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12:00<Tea> Something is just not right about that.
12:01<Tea>How on earth could a dedicated server package be 10GB?
12:01<HoopyCat>(autoconf'd IPv6 on the ethernet, tunnel over wireless to the household server, and tunnel over IPv4 to the linode... OSPFv3 ftw)
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12:02<praetorian>always coca cola.
12:03<datagutt>coca cola? Meh, i prefer ubuntu cola
12:04<Musfuut>I perfer iPepsiOS
12:04<@jed>Tea: looks like all the voices and maps
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12:05<Tea>jed: Which seems ridiculous to me... surely they're not needed on the serverside
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12:05<@jed>I've read in theory you can start up a source game with no maps or data and get it all from the server
12:05<@jed>don't know if that's true
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12:06<Tea>Source game clients should download maps and assets so long as the server specifies that they can
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12:07<Tea>There just must be a way to cut this space usage down. It's only a poor old Linode 512
12:08<datagutt>Musfuut: not sure if your aware, but theres a cola named ubuntu cola. And it has nothing to do with ubuntu os :p
12:09<Musfuut>Wasn't aware, good to know :) I wonder what it is missing (stab at 8.04LTS not having mod-security as a package)
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12:13<Musfuut>So I wonder why I newer browser, cannot see ipv6 sites, yet an older one can...
12:14<HoopyCat>Musfuut: same machine?
12:14<Musfuut>different machines, ubuntu 10.04 works, windows 7 does not, both firefox
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12:15<@heckman>You can ping6 from the windows machine?
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12:17<Musfuut>I do not seem to have ping6
12:17<TheFirst>ping -6
12:18<Musfuut>cannot resolve the dns for
12:18<HoopyCat>Musfuut: does an IPv6 address show up in "ipconfig"? (not just a link-local fe80:: address)
12:19<@heckman>You break your Radvd?
12:19<Musfuut>odd my linux box has one, hrm...
12:20<Musfuut>let me tinker with this a minute, I'll be back
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12:31<praetorian>how rude
12:31<praetorian>he poked out his tongue
12:32<@stan_theman>hi world
12:32<praetorian>hi stan
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12:32<@stan_theman>hi praetorian
12:33<praetorian>was that your tongue eh
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12:36<HoopyCat>so between the realtime signal processing in the SSTV decoder and the hurricam, my netbook is getting really warm
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12:41<praetorian>stan_theman: lixcam
12:42<Musfuut>Ok, thanks to a microsoft Fix it for me :P my IPv6 is enabled and I now have IPv6 addresses in ipconfig. Just waiting for windows to finish its boot so I can load firefox and my networking control panel :3
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12:46<rnowak>... hurricam? :p
12:46<Musfuut>IPv6 is now working, yay! Thanks guys, you are the best!
12:47<rnowak>hah, I see
12:48<Musfuut>And my linode is displaying properly as well now!
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12:49<HoopyCat>Musfuut: yay!
12:50<randallman>Daevien: Looks like you're getting spared this time around (Re: Irene)
12:52<Daevien>randallman: i haven't looked today but as of yesterday, that was the thought, that we would prob miss it or possibly get the edge
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12:54<waltman>So has linode world hq been evacuated?
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12:55<Daevien>waltman: they were talking about setting up webcams last night :p
12:55<jedi>where luke
12:57<Daevien>quite a bit of traffic on that cam HoopyCat. i kind of pictured the linode office as being in a quiet location so caker coudl torture jed in obscurity
12:58<waltman>Daevien: I think they're hiding in plain sight.
12:59<Daevien>soundproofed torture room maybe
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13:14<linbot>New news from forums: Want to see what the Fremont datacenter looks like? in General Discussion <>
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13:33<linbot>boba: Yo mommas so ugly, she looks like this! (817:0/1) [umrmo]
13:35<linbot>thanks, Musfuut!
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13:37<Ward>I wondered if the linode nodebalancer also support mysql for loadbalancing mysql?
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13:41<HoopyCat>Ward: in theory, yes, with the caveat that it will be effectively open to the world (as the nodebalancer has a public IP address) and you won't see the client's IP address
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13:42<tentimes>use postgres - much easier to balance
13:43<Pryon>Or, if you're lucky enough to have a read-heavy application, teach it to read from multiple replication slaves
13:44<tentimes>or use a filofax ;)
13:44<Ward>HoopyCat: the nodebalancer is always visible to the world, not ?
13:45<HoopyCat>Ward: it's publicly reachable, yup
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14:46<Daevien>top 30 posts on hackernews: #25 is cmdrtaco leaving slashdot, #30 is steve jobs leaving apple. i'm surprised jobs still isn't floating at the top of the pile
14:46<@jed>he was up top for a whole day
14:46<@jed>most votes any story has ever gotten on HN, I think
14:47<Lucent>cmdrtaco gave my site its initial news coverage back in 98
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14:49<Daevien>jed: yeah there were a couple ones about jobs in the top 30, i just figured he would stay up there for a week or so from the crushign amount of stories i see everywhere about it
14:50<Musfuut>Did Blizard every retract their ban on cmdrtaco's name in WoW? or didn't he push the issue?
14:50<Daevien>i used to go to slashdot but i stopped years ago, too many shitty editors that woudl let useless stories get to the top
14:50<JoeK>any update on the apache killer thing?
14:51<@jed>there's workarounds
14:51<JoeK>well, official
14:51<Daevien>JoeK: not that i've seen yet but i haven't really checked today
14:51<JoeK>i know the mod_rewrite fix
14:52<Musfuut>Is mod-security supposed to be completely confusing and a pain to config or am I just stupid/impatient?
14:52<SleePy>One work around is to convert to nginx :P
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14:53<Kuboing>say, how much do I have to pay per GB if I go over the bandwidth limit?
14:54<Kuboing>ah, okay
14:54<JshWright>you can buy it ahead of time for $0.10
14:55<Musfuut>I used the exploit on my linode and it kernel panicked within 5 seconds. However since adding the rewrites it seems immune.
14:55<hawk>JoeK: came out today
14:56<Musfuut>So a month before ubuntu has an update, right? :P
14:57<JshWright>11.10 will be the next release (in late october)
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14:58<hawk>Musfuut: If you're following the suggested workarounds (as per the link above), clearing up both Range and Request-Range as appropriate it should be fine, afaik
14:59<Musfuut>That is good then hawk, and I'm sorry for knocking on ubuntu. I'm just annoyed over the install process of mod-security on 8.04LTS
14:59<Kuboing>JshWright: but not per GB
14:59<Kuboing>I will be over by like 1-2GB
15:00<Kuboing>don't see the point of buying 10GB for the last couple of days which I'm not going to use
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15:01<hawk>Musfuut: Don't be sorry. But as there is no patch out yet from upstream, one can hardly demand updated packages yet from anyone :)
15:01<JshWright>if you're only going over 1-2GB, I doubt it'll be an issue
15:01<Musfuut>This is true hawk :)
15:02<Daevien>hawk: there you go applying logic to computers again. people don't do that in real life, computers are magic thigs that should work all the time!
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15:07<hawk>Daevien: Sorry, my bad
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15:12<@psandin>Musfuut: Did it actually kernel panic or just OOM really hard? if it did panic I don't suppose you held on to the panic message did you?
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15:12<Musfuut>the lish console's last thing was kernel panic
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15:14<Musfuut>also took 3 minutes to get the manager to reboot the thing...
15:14<linbot>New news from forums: What are permissions so WP doesn't ask for FTP credentials? in General Discussion <> || Hurricane Irene in General Discussion <>
15:14<@psandin>so it did, too bad that wasn't the panic I was looking for, you got my hopes up there for a second
15:14<Musfuut>would you like me to try it again and copy the message this time?
15:15<Daevien>Musfuut: it never did reboot then, it killed the vm & restarted
15:15<@psandin>no I found it in our kpanic logger thingy
15:15<Musfuut>ah sweet
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15:16<@psandin>seriously nyan_theman?
15:16<@nyan_theman>nyan nyan?
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15:18<stan_thenyan>nyan nyan nyan!
15:18<stan_thenyan>`·.,¸,.·*¯`·.,¸,.·*¯[;::;(。◕‿‿◕。) nyan nyan nyan
15:18*jed steals alias
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15:19<@jed>it's really depressing that just seeing the meme gets the song stuck in my head
15:19<@jed>what have you done to me, Internet
15:19<TheFirst>glad I have no clue what song you're talking about :P
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15:26<squircle>it seems like I'm having a bit of an nginx problem: "rewrite or internal redirection cycle while internal redirect to "/index.html"". basically, I added an alias for munin graphs to show up, but I just get a 500 error when I navigate to /munin/. could I possibly get some help diagnosing the problem, #linode?
15:27<squircle>(I've put my config and the full error here:
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16:22<Kuboing>*is* there a way to buy additional bandwidth, rather than buy 100GB for a the remainder of the month?
16:23<dwfreed>Kuboing: you could upgrade, but the migration takes a little while
16:23<Kuboing>will it shut the instance down? or just pause it?
16:24<dwfreed>It will shut it down
16:24<Peng>Kuboing: What's the difference between "additional bandwidth" and 100 GB per month?
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16:24<Kuboing>Peng: I am looking for a smaller amount :P
16:25<Peng> want less than 100 GB?
16:25<Kuboing>yeah, but I guess I'll just pay the overage fee if it comes to it
16:25<dwfreed>Kuboing: how much overage are you predicting?
16:26<dwfreed>You likely won't get billed for that, it's rather minimal
16:26<squircle>Kuboing: they probably won't invoice you for it; I went over by that amount one month and they didn't mind
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16:31<Daevien>and welcoem to round 2 of steve jobs posts. a supposed pic of him on tmz.
16:31*Daevien finds a hole to crawl in
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16:34<DrJ>I wonder when linode does invoice for overage though
16:34<DrJ>seems to be guess work atm
16:35<Kuboing>Daevien: I really doubt he lost that much weight so fast
16:35<Kuboing>it's photoshopped, I can tell by the pixels
16:35<@jed>DrJ: monthly, afaik
16:35<@jed>roundabout the same time as normal billing runs
16:36<DrJ>no no no
16:36<dwfreed>jed: I believe he was wondering at what overage
16:36<DrJ>I mean by how much do you have to be over
16:36<hawk>I would have thought any overage
16:36<@jed>case-by-case basis
16:36<@jed>nah. if we're talking 2 or 3 GB, we usually let it go I think
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16:36<@jed>don't take what I say at face value, I'm uninvolved in that process
16:37<DrJ>what is you have a 400GB plan and go over by 50GB ... going to be billed for sure?
16:37<Daevien>if he was, jed would charge you for 1mb. he's stingy :p
16:37<@jed>DrJ: I'd say probably
16:37<DrJ>I'm probably going to finish this month at 200GB of my 400GB
16:38<squircle>i hate to double-ask (and interrupt another conversation), but if somebody could take a look at this, I'd be really grateful:
16:38<DrJ>I actually hope to have this "problem" though in the future
16:38<DrJ>cause that will mean growth
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16:38<@jed>squircle: check a redirect that nginx issues in response using a browser's web development tools
16:38<Daevien>DrJ: if you grow to that level you will prob add another linode to balance the load somewhat (move db to it's own, etc) which will give you the quota from that linode on top. works out fairly well much of the time
16:38<@jed>that'll probably shed some light on what it's doing
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16:39<DrJ>I've already upgraded my linode once Daevien
16:39<DrJ>for more bandwidth mostly
16:39<DrJ>when from linode 512 to linode 1024
16:39<squircle>jed: it just 500's
16:40<@jed>did you try dropping the trailing slashes? (guessing)
16:40<emhs>Is it possible to use configuration profiles and disk images to switch between 32bit and 64bit versions of the OS, without losing data?
16:40<Lucent>i'll hit the 200gb limit next month, so i'm looking for a cdn now
16:40<@caker>emhs: of course
16:40<Lucent>aka friend with some lame 1and1 plan
16:40<squircle>jed: yes, and /munin/index.html
16:40<DrJ>I mostly use my linode for a audio streaming site ... 10GB/month/user (connected 24/7) ... since I have an average of 20 users connected at any given time I'm using right around 200GB/month now
16:41<DrJ>if I grow to around 35 users at any given time it is probably time to think more bandwidth again
16:42<emhs>caker: So in the Deploy screen I can just specify a different disk image and it won't bitch or damage the existing images?
16:42<Peng>emhs: Yup.
16:42<@caker>emhs: so long as your using the Deploy tool and not the Rebuild tool
16:42<@caker>you're even. ZING
16:42*jed gasps audibly
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16:43<Daevien>even the grammar police make mistakes?!
16:43*squircle gasps inaudibly
16:43<emhs>Cool. And it'll want to create the disk image itself, so I should just leave space for it rather than creating a disk image in advance.
16:44<Peng>jed: Hurricam doesn't work over IPv6. Times out.
16:44<linbot>Peng: 2600:3c03::2:80,
16:44<Peng>emhs: Right.
16:44<@caker>emhs: you don't deploy into an existing image. It creates it during the deploy
16:44<emhs>Yep, it's working. Woot.
16:45<@jed>Peng: dns fail
16:45<@jed>try now -- the address in DNS is wrong
16:45<Peng> 21460 IN AAAA 2600:3c03::2:80
16:46<@jed>yeah, I have it listening on :7
16:46<@jed>the original plan was to put every service on different addresses, but bleh
16:46<@jed>so to work around the issue I just brought up :80 and stuck nginx on it in addition to :7
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16:46<@jed>I spent a weekend digging into my personal setup and then got tired of it and left a lot broken
16:47<emhs>Thanks guys.
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16:47<Peng>jed: It works now on :80. Thank you.
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16:59<auraka_>anyone here have an asa with ssl vpn enabled?
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17:04<Daevien>oh, trey ratcliff with a new album of pictures. nice pics but as people comment, google plus page becomes all him even though he actually only posted once
17:10<mshuler>Daevien: you can now ignore without blocking ;-)
17:11<Daevien>i'd rather google fixed it so people that take pics can add a bunch, do one link and not look like they are spamming everyone on google plus :p
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17:26<linbot>New news from forums: 504 Gateway upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) in General Discussion <>
17:27<Peng>The Hurricam shows it's starting to get cloudy.
17:29<@jed>they're the very first clouds from irene, if you look at the visible sat
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17:33<ajmitch>Peng: is there a little bit of bad weather coming?
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17:37<Peng>ajmitch: Are you joking?
17:38<ajmitch>Peng: I'm in NZ, all I've heard it that there's another hurricane
17:38<HoopyCat>it's approx. the 4th one in the past century or thereabouts, so yes, it is another hurricane
17:39<Daevien>ajmitch: heading up the eastern coast of north america, passing over linode hq, etc
17:40<ajmitch>HoopyCat: right, we just had the first snow in some of our cities in the last ~80 years, so I can understand it's unusual
17:41<HoopyCat>ajmitch: snow often doesn't carry ~180 km/h winds when striking major population centers, alas
17:42<ajmitch>HoopyCat: no, it was a rather unusual winter storm for how much of the country it affected
17:42<Peng>HoopyCat: Snowcane?
17:43<HoopyCat>the media here tend to over-hype things, but... eh, it's going to be a heck of a weekend
17:43<Daevien>HoopyCat: earthquake now hurricane. NY area [eo
17:43<Daevien>er NY area must be freaking
17:43<@jed>CNN dropped the 9/11 card for the earthquake, so I'd say so
17:43<Peng>Daevien: Yes, while the west and the southeast laugh at them.
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17:45<Daevien>i remember my first week in illinois in 2002. tornado sirens went off and i nearly freaked. they forgot to tell me it was being tested that week
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17:46<Daevien>i was like holy shit, i got here just in time for a tornado?
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17:50<A-KO>Peng: because the west gets earthquakes that shake half the continent, and the northeast gets hurricanes
17:50<BarkerJr>we had an earthquake tuesday
17:50<pronto>Ohhi thar A-KO o_o
17:50<A-KO>ohai pronto
17:50<BarkerJr>it shook 2/3 the continent
17:51<A-KO>yes BarkerJr, I'm making that point :P
17:51<A-KO>if that earthquake broke 6.0 to 6.5, I could have seen some seriously massive devestation in NYC
17:51<A-KO>thankfully it didn't
17:52<A-KO>the storm is another nasty, but at least people can leave
17:52<BarkerJr>yeah, stopped at 5.9
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17:54<jkwood>2/3 of the continent? What kind of nonsense is that?
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17:54<jkwood><- smack dab in the middle, didn't feel a thing
17:54<BarkerJr>it was felt from florida to maine and west to new mexico and colorado
17:54<boba>The Colorado earthquake was separate I thought???
17:55<Daevien>there were multiple earthquakes within a few days in diff areas BarkerJr
17:55<jkwood>The Colorado earthquake had to be separate. Nothing here in Missouri - and trust me, we would have known about it.
17:55<BarkerJr>right, but the usgs shows this as the same earthquake
17:55<BarkerJr>you can download their csv of who felt it
17:56<A-KO>Felt strongly in much of central Virginia and southern Maryland. Felt throughout the eastern US from central Georgia to central Maine and west to Detroit, Michigan and Chicago, Illinois. Felt in many parts of southeastern Canada from Montreal to Windsor.
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17:57<A-KO>this hurricane is serious shit
17:57<A-KO>it's going to do some major damage up here
17:57<Daevien>maybe registeredon highly sensitive info.. that can register stuff happening across the world
17:58<Daevien>er info = equipment
17:58<BarkerJr>no, this is user submissions
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17:58<Daevien>my town is specifically mentioned. which is NOT in the us and we didn't feel anything
17:59<Daevien>it looks more like a csv of the entire eastern part of north america
17:59<rnowak>what, you mean canada isn't a state in the us???
17:59<Cruiser>i would be highly suspicious of areas west of missouri in the "Who felt it" data
17:59<BarkerJr>that's my point... it was felt all over the eastern 2/3 of the country
17:59<Daevien>rnowak: not yet. thank god :p
18:00*Daevien wonders why he's bothering to argue with BarkerJr again
18:00*BarkerJr wonders, too
18:01<A-KO>this is bad
18:01<BarkerJr>brb, going to add my rj45 surge protector
18:01<A-KO>Thankfully I'm in one of the blue areas
18:01<A-KO>yeah, PC's getting shut down tomorrow
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18:05<Perihelion>Sup red area here
18:05<Daevien>o/ Perihelion
18:05<BarkerJr>I put a surge protector between my modem and router, and another between the tv tuner and switch
18:06<Perihelion>I'm just unplugging *
18:06<Perihelion>It seems easier that way
18:06<BarkerJr>I might have to work, so I need to do my best to keep stuff online
18:07*Daevien Perihelion can you unplug BarkerJr and forget to plug him in again?
18:07<BarkerJr>action abuse!
18:07<Daevien>no, it was mis entered, meant to have it look like a /msg gone wrong. but why argue with you? you don't listen anyway barker
18:08<BarkerJr>I'm not arguing, I'm just stating what I'm doing to prepare
18:08<BarkerJr>I haven't argued in the past 9 minutes
18:08<BarkerJr>oh wait...
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18:11<Perihelion>BarkerJr: umad
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18:13*jed plays taps for
18:14<Daevien>you killed it jed?
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18:14<@jed>not even hosted with us, but apparently it just shit the bed
18:14<@jed>now I'm curious what it is. they never talk
18:14<BarkerJr>it's a web gateway
18:14*ajmitch thought it was still in ~private beta
18:14<Daevien>screen + irssi in a web client basically
18:15<Daevien>ajmitch: i got an accoutn a while ago, wasn't all that hard. i think i use dit for maybe 5 minutes
18:15<Peng>So, Mibbit only not?
18:15<Daevien>it will keep you online when you close the website
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18:15<BarkerJr>does mibbit?
18:15<Daevien>not as far as i know
18:16<BarkerJr>seems like a nice idea
18:16<BarkerJr>does it let you connect from multiple computers at the same time?
18:17<Daevien>um, can't remember if i tried that or not
18:17<BarkerJr>that would be nice
18:18<Daevien>just use tmux / byobu / (i think screen will let you connect multiple times too?) + irssi?
18:18<Peng>Yeah, screen -x
18:19<BarkerJr>but webapp is nicer
18:19<Peng>If you say so
18:19<Daevien>and going back to the original point, yeah i can't seem to actually login there, just hangs
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18:20<BarkerJr>but I'll wait till it's out of beta :)
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18:28<EugeneKay>ZNC works great with Mibbit
18:29<Nivex>EugeneKay: good to know. I was thinking about setting that up
18:30<EugeneKay>I wasn't able to get SSL to work because I had a self-signed cert, but vanilla IRC worked fine
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18:30<chesty>SpaceHobo: $25 phone
18:31<Peng>mmm, profit margins
18:31<thelongmile>Hi is there someone I can speak to via PM about this IRC really quickly?
18:32<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
18:32<thelongmile>Sorry, can't ask this one via public I'm afraid
18:32<Peng>thelongmile: What do you mean? Like about OFTC, the IRC network?
18:32<thelongmile>About this channel in particular
18:33<Peng>Doesn't seem any of the ops are around right this second.
18:33<@jed>thelongmile: shoot
18:34<thelongmile>Sorry but I really need to do this off…public,
18:34<thelongmile>It's not a linode issue, it's the room issue
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18:35<rnowak>Perihelion's in troublez!
18:36<Daevien>rnowak: i'm guessing a complaint about someone, yeah
18:36<@jed>thelongmile: ...shoot
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18:37<Zach>with seo hosting, one requires a different class c ip for each domain... is it possible to do the same with ip6? is there a such thing as a non-mixed ip6 hosting solution?
18:37<rnowak>"seo hosting" )))))))))
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18:37<@jed>Zach: the class C thing is (a) antiquated terminology and (b) a myth
18:38<rlankfo>different class c for each domain for seo? wadafa lol
18:38<Zach>jed... i'm an seo with 10 years in the business and run a 165 site class c network with googlebot analytics
18:38<Zach>trust me it works
18:38<Zach>i'm just curious if i can do it with ip6
18:38*Daevien facepalms
18:38*rnowak chuckles
18:38<Daevien>glad you can convince your customers of that fact and make money. but it's BS
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18:39<@jed>ipv6 is classless, as is ipv4 now
18:39<Zach>not customers
18:39<Zach>all my site
18:39<@jed>classes are antiquated designations
18:39<@jed>we don't say 'class C' these days
18:39<Zach>ok.... i agree
18:39<rnowak>the internet lost its class a long time ago
18:39<Zach>completely with that
18:39<Zach>but in terms of google's ranking algorithm
18:39<@jed>so in IPv6, there is no equivalent of a class, no
18:39<Peng>rnowak: Programming got much classier, though!
18:39<@jed>CIDR has won
18:39<Zach>weighing heavily on number of sites per IP
18:40<rnowak>Peng: :)
18:40<KingTarquin>CIDR ♥
18:40<Peng>Zach: In terms of Google's ranking algorithm, you are wrong.
18:40<rlankfo>the only issue i'm aware of comes in with shared hosting. you can get your site banned if another site on the server is marked for malware or phishing or something
18:40<Steve^>Why would different IPs affect marketing?
18:40*Steve^ is missing something
18:40<Steve^>"SEO Web Hosting is the art of hosting your marketing efforts across multiple IP ranges using multiple name servers
18:41<rlankfo>"seo web hosting" is a gimmick
18:41<Zach>read rands answers
18:42<BarkerJr>seo hosting is tricking google into not realizing it's seo hosting
18:42<Peng>Wow, rand recommends domain registration fraud.
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18:43<Zach>"I'd also keep those domains on strictly separate C-blocks (even using multiple registrars for each)"
18:43<rlankfo>"its hard to say"
18:43<rlankfo>means, he has no idea, but just in case they are, go ahead and split them up......
18:43<Zach>but back to the original question... good discussion though
18:43<Steve^>My rule of thumb is that Google is smarter than me, and it's not worth the effort trying to trick them
18:43<Zach>can the same be achieved via ip6
18:43<Zach>it's not a trick
18:44<Zach>even matt cutts recommends it
18:44<Peng>Zach: Link.
18:44<rlankfo>not true
18:44<Zach>hang tight
18:44<Steve^>by trick I don't mean evil, just a way of doing things
18:44<rlankfo>myth busted
18:45<Steve^>I know a good trick to make nice shepards pie, for instance
18:45<Perihelion>rnowak: wat
18:45<Steve^>(cheese on top, under the grill)
18:45<@jed>Steve^: SEO is a profession that some people enter into with the sole purpose of elevating position in Google
18:45<Daevien>Steve^: aka running spam networks cause you think it will help
18:45<akerl>"SEO is a profession" <- lulz
18:45<@jed>I don't knock SEOs, they're good at convincing people of their utility. I've found that good content outweighs SEO any day of the week, though
18:45<Daevien>akerl: so is scam artist i suppose :p
18:45<akerl>jed: Oh, I'm not saying that it doesn't involve work, or that there isn't a market for it, but both are true of fast food cashiers too, and I don't consider that a "profession"
18:45<Daevien>akerl: no, thats what i call a punishment for trying to survive
18:45<akerl>SEO is what I'd consider a recursive market. Because a few people in each market started using SEO, everyone now wants to use it, because they don't want to be outranked.
18:45<Daevien>don't believe everything you see on the internet. give me 5 minutes and i'll post a url that shows the sky is purple & neon green
18:45<akerl>Zach: Your understanding of SEO on v4 is flawed, so asking if your flawed version works for v6 is flawed as well.
18:45<Daevien>considering mat cutts is in charge of cutting down on webspam, i highly doubt he recommends making 165+ host spam nets
18:45<rnowak>woah, what the hell, I just received a bazillion messages at once
18:47<Peng>It's Irene! PANIC!
18:47<Steve^>where is OFTC hosted?
18:49<rnowak>HOLD ON
18:49<rnowak>this hurricane is a scheme to finally take linode to the clouds?!
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18:50<rnowak>Why is it so dark over there, it is still early :O
18:50<Steve^>are the Linode support guys all in one place, or around the world?
18:50<akerl>Irene ate my internets
18:50<Perihelion>MAH INTERNETS
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18:50<KyleXY>Perihelion: where is that cam located
18:51<Perihelion>Jed's office
18:51<rlankfo>so if i refer people to linode with{referral-code}, i get credit?
18:51<KyleXY>Perihelion: statewise
18:51<KyleXY>rlankfo: if they remain for 90 days
18:51<Perihelion>That's at Linode HQ
18:51<KyleXY>Perihelion: woo
18:51<Daevien>Perihelion: you should go write jed sucks on the lens of the camera (backwards) so it shows up to everyone watching it
18:51<KyleXY>Perihelion: You guys need to do a tour ;)
18:51<rlankfo>wow, i've just been giving people the code :P
18:51<Daevien>KyleXY: there was on on the linode facebook i think
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18:52<KyleXY>Daevien: Link me, please
18:52<KyleXY>no videos
18:53<KyleXY>there are some decent pictures though
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18:53<KyleXY>that's a pretty cool office.
18:53<Perihelion>I have a video of the lighted sign somewhere
18:53*KyleXY laughs at the green paint
18:53<Zach>i stand corrected
18:54<Zach>matt cutts advises otherwise, but it wouldn't be the first time he has mislead us
18:54*Daevien facepalms. again.
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18:54<akerl>Zach: So you had evidence, but except not, oh wait it doesn't matter anyway?
18:54<akerl>You're wrong, give it up
18:54<Daevien>let me guess, you also think ipod is the best music player ever invented?
18:54*akerl would say that it is.
18:54<Zach>i just said i stood corrected... is that not enough?
18:54<HoopyCat>the reason SEO people spend so much time battling google is because you spend so much time battling google
18:55<Daevien>akerl: nope. best marketed. otehrs have been better (i did say MUSIC, not counting the other stuff)
18:55<akerl>Daevien: Meh. I love the integration, link to one you'd consider "better"?
18:55<HoopyCat>put content out there that doesn't suck and that people care about, and it doesn't matter if it's hosted on a godaddy shared hosting account with 250,000 other sites, it'll get props
18:55<Daevien>Zach: you sai dyou were wrong on matt cutts but he lies. so in other words, i was wrong but i;'m still right :p
18:56<rnowak>to lasagna or not to lasagna. I think to lasagna.
18:56<Perihelion> <-- Linode sign
18:56<EugeneKay>Definitely lasagna
18:56<Zach>no other words, just facts... i've been around long enough to know that it works... no need to argue that point... just curious if there is a such thing as a pure ip6 enviroment yet
18:56<HoopyCat>when in doubt, lasagna
18:56<Kuboing>HoopyCat: I wish
18:56<chesty>what's 3gp?
18:56<Musfuut>OMG I just finished a personal lasagna
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18:57<Daevien>akerl: for the total package, they have got the best due to apps. for actual music quality though? meh. quite a few others sound better. archos, cowon, i think even the zune is better spec'd, etc
18:57<Perihelion>chesty: Whatever I pulled off my phone :P
18:57<akerl>The cubes! they are many colors! crazy
18:58<HoopyCat>Kuboing: well, making it easy to parse and accessible helps a lot too.
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18:58<chesty>is that on the building?
18:58<Perihelion>It's inside our lobby thing
18:58<akerl>Daevien: I'd definitely say that apple gains a lot from strong marketing. But I occasionally stop by the store to play with gizmos, and all the other UIs and controls usually make me a sad panda
18:58<akerl>Daevien: On something like an mp3 player, it's a lot less to due with raw specs, a lot more to do with ease of use (imho)
18:59<HoopyCat>also, turns out that pagerank decrements by one for every incorrect use of an apostrophe
18:59<Steve^>but doubles for every lolcat
18:59<HoopyCat>..... buuuuuuuuuut i've probably said too much.
18:59<Daevien>akerl: i'm not disputing the amarketing, i'm saying it's apple's best asset. their marketing & people that drink the koolaid. i'm just saying because they have the biggest share of music player market doesn't mean it's the best piece of hardware
18:59*rnowak uses PowerAMP on android as music player these days
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18:59<akerl>Agreed, definitely
18:59<akerl>Awe, the seotard went away.
18:59*akerl looks for fresh meat
19:00<Daevien>akerl: and that some people will blindly believe anythign apple sells is th ebest cause their buddy told them so ;)
19:00<Steve^>I've heard a lot about SEO.. can you sell it to me akerl?
19:00<Steve^>I'll take 10
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19:00<Daevien>Steve^: i can, $500 a month and you'll get lots of seo
19:00<chesty>1000 google +1 for $2
19:00<akerl>SEO only comes in boxes of over 9000
19:01<HoopyCat>this is no time to be wasting money on such things
19:01<HoopyCat>buy bread, milk, eggs, and toilet paper!
19:01<Steve^>does SEO protect me from hurricanes?
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19:01<akerl>I will never understand why bread/milk/eggs top the disaster prep list
19:01<thelongmile>Ugh why does IRC crash at the most inconvenient times
19:02<Daevien>rnowak: i found poweramp was glitchy on my acer a500 and tried a few roms.. once i got 3.1 or 3.2 roms that do flac native, i gave up on poweramp
19:02<akerl>"ZOMG let's go get the most perishable stuff we can!"
19:02<rnowak>PowerAMP works excellenty here on 2.3 HTC Desire Z / Vision
19:02<HoopyCat>akerl: because not everyone is smart enough to remember to stock up on toilet paper when they're planning French Toast of Death
19:02<Musfuut>HoopyCat: Bread doubles as toilet paper, go for the multi-taskers.
19:03<Daevien>rnowak: maybe somethign to do with 3.0 or 3.1 then, i dunno. it would crash randomly, sometimes stop after every song, etc
19:03<akerl>Better than toilet paper doubling as bread, I suppose
19:03<Steve^>not to be confused with a nutella sandwich
19:03<Daevien>rnowak: plus i found poweramps method of queueing songs annoying
19:03<HoopyCat>(i suspect the bare shelves are actually due to pre-emptive decrease in grocery store supply of such items)
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19:04<HoopyCat>fewer egg trucks, more battery hens
19:05<EugeneKay>akerl - my disaster prep list is Beer and Gasoline.
19:06<akerl>The one group of people that scares me more than egg/milk/bread stockers is the people who stock up on ammunition
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19:06<EugeneKay>I don't need to stock up for a disaster. I have enough already.
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19:06*akerl stocked up on monster and ramen.
19:06<akerl>Newark better stay up. I'm spending this weekend tweaking my node
19:06<EugeneKay>Of course, I live out in the hills of Arkansas, so these sorts of things don't bug me quite as much.
19:07<RadicalE>Just signed up for the service and my deploy/rebuild won't create the filesystem
19:07<akerl>RadicalE: Define "won't do it"?
19:07<Musfuut>I'm on the east coast of florida so I've already been through the whole empty stores and havoc. I would like to convey my wishes of safety to all those yet to be affected by Hurricane Irene.
19:07<akerl>Like, you have the node, you picked the datacenter, you hit deploy, it gave an error?
19:07<RadicalE>"Image create failed" for both swap and disk
19:07<KyleXY>RadicalE: submit a ticket
19:08<akerl>RadicalE: I'm assuming that you didn't try to give it more than the max disk space?
19:08<KyleXY>RadicalE: Had a similar issue last night, the community is of no help to you in fixing this issue
19:08<KyleXY>akerl: ^^
19:08<RadicalE>akerl: nope, used defaults -- even tried with less than default space
19:08<akerl>!ticket then
19:08<linbot>Sounds like ticket time! Your problem will probably be solved much faster by submitting a support ticket, rather than hoping to catch an employee's attention here.
19:08<RadicalE>KyleXY: kk - thanks
19:09<KyleXY>RadicalE: np
19:09<RadicalE>yeah - was more wondering if there was a config problem at work and it was a known issue - submitting ticket now
19:09<Daevien>if there's not already all the space taken up by other images, then you need the ticket yeah
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19:33<benuphoenix>I've noticed on the CPU Graph in linode manager that both my linodes are using ~10% cpu. "top" says 0.1% - 0.3% for both. Which should I believe?
19:33<Obsidian|server>check htop
19:33<akerl>Trust top
19:33<Obsidian|server>I much prefer htop's per-cpu breakdown (:
19:34<Obsidian|server>but yeah, trust your local system
19:34<akerl>I agree. My larger point was "trust the actual node's tools over the manager"
19:34*caker disagrees
19:34<benuphoenix>what's with the cpu graphs being way off?
19:34*akerl listens intently
19:34<@caker>they're not.
19:34<Obsidian|server>caker: something that's not counted in top then?
19:35<p3rsist>Hi guys. I get this error when I compile DRBD from source. Calling toplevel makefile of kernel source tree, which I believe is in
19:35<p3rsist> KDIR=/lib/modules/3.0.0-linode35/build
19:35<p3rsist> SORRY, kernel makefile not found. You need to tell me a correct KDIR!
19:35<Obsidian|server>very low-level CPU wakeups?
19:35<p3rsist>Could you give me where that KDIR located?
19:35<hawk>I doubt it is located anywhere
19:36<hawk>(In terms of your node, anyway)
19:36<benuphoenix>one of my linodes is literally running just sshd and an irc client script I wrote.
19:36<akerl>benuphoenix: I doubt that highly
19:36<dwfreed>There's the getty for lish for one
19:37<rnowak>pretty sure urmom's in there too
19:37<Daevien>caker: is it 10$ as in 10% of 1 cpu? so max load on 4 virtual cpu woudl be 400%?
19:37<benuphoenix>well, its all i'm knowingly using
19:37<akerl>Those may be the only daemons which you have personally configured, but there's a whole selection of standard daemons which are running
19:37<dwfreed>Daevien: correct
19:37<Obsidian|server>benuphoenix: remember, system crontabs ;)
19:37<akerl>benuphoenix: Look at top or htop, see the magic
19:37<Daevien>dwfreed: i'm pretty sure it is too but since he's here i thought i'd get official confirmation ;)
19:38<dwfreed>Also, the manager graphs are 5 minute averages
19:38<akerl>caker: Can you elaborate on why the manager graphs are more accurate than local top results?
19:38<Obsidian|server>benuphoenix: also, take a look at pstree -G
19:39<Obsidian|server>benuphoenix: shows you the process tree, so you can see what all is really running, and what started that process
19:39<benuphoenix>Obsidian|server: cool. thanks
19:39<alexhanh>"Ah ah ah, You didn't say the magic word!" wtf?
19:41<alexhanh>When trying to boot a Linode instance
19:41<dwfreed>sudo with insults turned on is funny
19:42<Daevien>give us some more info maybe alex? it's not an erro ri've seen or heard about..
19:42<alexhanh>maybe it's associated with node knockout
19:42<alexhanh>the competition starts in 18 minutes
19:42<alexhanh>maybe u can't boot until it beings
19:42<akerl>alexhanh: Were you trying to run a sudo command?
19:42<akerl>And what competition?
19:42<alexhanh>just boot the linode thro the web console
19:43<Daevien>oh if it's a competition thing, that sounds logical. i dunno though
19:43<alexhanh>this one
19:43<alexhanh>yeah, ill try again in 17
19:43<akerl>Is confused... So this is someone else's node, but you're connected via lish?
19:44<alexhanh>a Linode instance has been given to each participant, they sent us the login details
19:44<Daevien>alexhanh: looks liek there is a webchat on their page, try going there and asking i guess
19:44<Daevien>akerl: looks to be a contest sponsored by linode
19:44<akerl>Because that error is basically sudo saying you failed.
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19:48<Obsidian|server>oh god
19:48<Obsidian|server>sudo with insults?
19:48<Obsidian|server>I must enable this
19:49<pronto>$ sudo su
19:49<pronto>i have that^
19:49<Daevien>Obsidian|server: we can always just insult you here
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19:50<rlankfo> <- anyone know anything about this?
19:50<benuphoenix>well, i found the same program that was started on each linode at the same time the cpu went from 0 to 10 on the graph. (A custom patched version of the chat program ii)
19:52<Daevien>rlankfo: just that the workaround seems to work until there is a new update of apache. what else did you need to know?
19:52<alexhanh>yeah confirmed, booting will be enabled when the compo starts
19:52<alexhanh>thanks guys
19:53<rlankfo>Daevien: nothing more, just wanted to make sure i'm protected. going to throw the mod_rewrite code in my httpd.conf
19:54<Obsidian|server>Daevien: that workaround is known to work without creating additional vulns or problems then?
19:54<Daevien>without the code, it will blow up apache & cause bad things to happen to the host
19:54<Daevien>Obsidian|server: i dont run apache personally, but i've heard of no problems with the workaround and have heard from peopel that tested before & after putting code in
19:55<Obsidian|server>alright, thanks, I'll go throw that into my own .conf's
19:56<Daevien>if you do find a problem, let linode staff know, one of them was questioning someone earlier about how the crash before the fix happened and what messages it gave
19:56<Daevien>so linode staff seems to be doing as much as they can about the issue
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19:57<rlankfo>anyone use mod_security?
19:59<dwfreed>Obsidian|server: if sudo is compiled with insults enabled (likely on any binary distro), you just have to add this: "Defaults insults" to /etc/sudoers
19:59<dwfreed>Then sudo will start insulting you when you type your password wrong
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19:59<Obsidian|server>dwfreed: Did, figured it out. Also finally figured out how to get visudo to use nano instead at the same time ^_^
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20:00<dwfreed>vim++; nano--;
20:00<Obsidian|server>Also, took a few tweaks to get that workaround applied. Apparently, apache needs the headers module loaded, along with the path for that log file needing adjusted
20:00<Obsidian|server>changed it to an absolute path that points to /var/log/apache2/
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20:01<p3rsist>WHat tool do you guys use to upload web files to your linodes? SFTP? Rsync?
20:02<chesty>bzr upload
20:02<Obsidian|server>I use SFTP, then copy files around through ssh, minding chmod/chown setups.
20:02<Obsidian|server>occasionally I'll use git, but I typically don't if it's a small project (which I've had a lot of lately)
20:03<Daevien>SFTP is probably going to be the most common answer
20:03*Daevien slaps akerl
20:03<Obsidian|server>try to stick with a DVCS setup for a larger project, you'll be able to roll stuff back
20:03<p3rsist>so SFTP doesnt keep the permissions?
20:03<Daevien>snap out of it, you know better!
20:03<Obsidian|server>p3rsist: no, it does, but I like my stuff owned by the web user instead of my personal account
20:04<Obsidian|server>I don't have the apache user accepting ssh connections of any kind whatsoever.
20:05<p3rsist>I see
20:06<p3rsist>So do you guys sync your config files? Im planning to use rsync to sync them among my linodes.
20:06<akerl>like /etc?
20:06<p3rsist>akerl, yeah and then Ill use symbolic links
20:07<p3rsist>akerl, this will sync all of the /etc directory>
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20:08<akerl>It puts /etc into version control. For a bunch of package managers (like apt) it also hooks into the package manager, so it commits when new stuff is added
20:08<@caker>akerl: we count actual cycles used by the instance, according to the hypervisor (or in the case of UML, process times). I've *never* seen them wrong. ever. :)
20:08<@caker>we also count cycles used by any of your Lish processes, too
20:09<@caker>but typically that's either pegged to 100% (a Lish/sshd bug from long ago, which we have a workaround for now), or barely even registers
20:09<akerl>caker: I don't doubt the mathmatical accuracy of the graphs. But they work with 5 minute averages, right?
20:09<Tidus>p3rsist, rsync is great, you can always use FileZilla on Windows if you want to upload from somewhere you don't have a shell
20:09<Daevien>p3rsist: you might want to look into puppet as well if you are going ot have many linodes
20:10<@caker>p3rsist: download linux-3.0.0 from, decompress it, cd into it; zcat /proc/config.gz > .config; make prepare (I think is the right one?), and then try with DRBD
20:10<p3rsist>Awesome! THanks alls
20:11<Tidus>the nice thing about FileZilla is that it kills the argument of your users wanting FTP for their uploads
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20:11<p3rsist>caker, I install DRBD 8.3.11 from source... and it seems to work beautifully with Linode 3.0.. I will do further tests
20:11<akerl>Tidus: As if there aren't already enough arguments against ftp
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20:11<Tidus>akerl: FTP is fine as long as you use TLS
20:11<Daevien>Tidus: yep. on linux, windows & mac i believe as well so all platforms most people use
20:11*akerl chuckles
20:11<Tidus>but why even go that far :)
20:12<rnowak>WinSCP if on windows, FileZilla smells. If not on windows, you already have what you need. ;p
20:12<akerl>Tidus: I recommend you compare the number of exploits out there for ftpds with the ones for openssh
20:12<Obsidian|server>Tidus: assuming you don't allow filezilla to save your passwords
20:13<Tidus>akerl: I've never supported FTP personally, I refuse to :) and rnowak is WinSCP open source? I know FileZilla is
20:13<p3rsist>Puppet seems interesting. Many of you use it?
20:13<Daevien>rnowak: you smell too. we still let you in here
20:13<rnowak>Does FileZilla support ssh keys with passphrases yet?
20:13<Tidus>hmm, just checked, it is :) WinSCP then
20:13<Tidus>rnowak: I just use Pageant anyway
20:13<akerl>Obsidian|server: How is having Filezilla store your passwords less secure? They're saved, just like the key files are
20:13<Tidus>p3rsist: Puppet is awesome
20:14<Obsidian|server>akerl: I keep my key files on a flash drive
20:14<p3rsist>Tidus, I was like...there must be something to sync all those config files :)
20:14<rnowak>akerl: does FileZilla encrypt the password store with a passphrase/word?
20:14<Tidus>rnowak: btw, good luck getting a Mac user who isn't already super geeky to not use something like CyberDuck ;)
20:14<akerl>rnowak: You assume that people are actually using a decent passphrase on their key. Though your point is entirely correct if they are.
20:14<rnowak>Tidus: ha ha, mac users
20:15*akerl is a super geeky mac user and uses Terminal over Cyberduck every day
20:15<rnowak>cyberduck sounds cool
20:15<Obsidian|server>being able to physically secure keyfiles goes far beyond Filezilla's excuse of "well it wouldn't matter anyways"
20:16<Tidus>I'm certainly open to suggestions on what's best for users not familiar with scp/rsync
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20:16<Obsidian|server>that's like saying that authentication shouldn't be done in the first place because it could be brute forced eventually
20:16<akerl>Tidus: The man pages for scp and rsync?
20:16<Daevien>hmm cyberduck has a windows ver now? dont remember that before
20:16<Obsidian|server>A beta, IIRC
20:16<Tidus>Daevian: not that I know of
20:16<Obsidian|server>was still buggy when I tried it
20:17<akerl>Obsidian|server: My opinions on the "security" of putting your keys on an easily stealable usb key is a whole other rant.
20:17<Daevien>Tidus: website says 4.1 is latest on cyberduck and has a big red 4.0 ready for windows up top
20:17<rnowak>The passphrases on the keys that I have on my laptop and phone are a bit short, but hopefully long enough for me to be able to nuke them from authorized_keys before it is too late :p
20:17<Tidus>Daevian: cool, that's also better than FileZilla
20:17<akerl>Tidus: Tab completion: Learn it, love it. It's Daevien.
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20:17<Daevien>Tidus: except i've switched to all linux except for some vm so its still not useful for me :p
20:17<Tidus>apologize XD
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20:17<rnowak>Deavion: sorry what?
20:18<Tidus>apologies XD sorry, long day
20:18<akerl>No worries, just wanted to share teh knowledge
20:18<Daevien>rwack: what?
20:18<Tidus>Daevien: loving that tab completion ;) and I feel shared with
20:19<Daevien>i've heard good things baotu cyberduck, but las ti knew it only had mac version so i've never used it
20:19<Daevien>my mac experience is either really old or just fixing various mac things for users, not actually owning a mac
20:19<Tidus>gonna go do something non-work related, thanks for all your sentiments... I always learn something reading stuff here, daily
20:19<Daevien>which i do find amusing, that i get macs brought to me to fix stuff on but i rarely ever use them
20:20<Peng>Do any of you get legitimate-looking HTTP requests for hostnames that, well, aren't you? For example, today I got one for, and I usually get things that look like consumer router firmware update checks.
20:20<Tidus>Daevien: having any FreeBSD experience will make Macs very friendly to you
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20:20<rnowak>Peng: yes
20:20<Peng>Makes me wonder if my IP is somehow winding up in corrupt DNS replies or something.
20:20<Daevien>Peng: people tryign to use you a proxy maybe?
20:20<Peng>Daevien: Ahh, that's an interesting idea.
20:20<Obsidian|server>Peng: run the IP against as well, see what that digs up
20:21<Daevien>Tidus: yeah i've used openbsd, netbsd & freebsd some. use linux as main os. but i still find it amusing that i tell people i dont use macs and i still end up with them to fix and i usually can
20:21<Peng>I should note that the IP is also in the NTP pool, so that attracts a lot of nonsense.
20:21<rnowak>"it just works"
20:21<Tidus>Daevien: I don't have any NetBSD experience yet, you're ahead of me on that :) have a good night all
20:22<Peng>Daevien: I didn't think proxy requests typically looked like normal HTTP requests, though. Standard Host header + GET /foo...
20:22<Daevien>i used to have a shell on a netbsd developer's machine on the backbone, i jsut lost my ssh key at some point and have never bothered to get it sorted :p
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20:24<Daevien>Peng: i'm not 100% sure off the top of my head
20:27<p3rsist>What about synctool: ? Any of you use it?
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21:01<Daevien>channel is dead... hurricam is boring... someone go cause some havoc at linode hq :p
21:02<heidi>linode is buttoned down
21:02<heidi>preparing for possible multiple days outage of power and internet
21:02<Perihelion>I'm getting my fill of Internets while I sort laundry and do dishes
21:02<Daevien>yeah i know. are they locking jed in with some food and making him work through it?
21:03<heidi>Perihelion: yeah weather channel and internets
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21:03<Perihelion>No TV D:
21:03<@jed>Daevien: I'm going to be on the beach with margaritas and a lawnchair
21:03<Perihelion>I'm totally busting out the PS3 though
21:04<heidi>Perihelion: rock on!
21:04<Perihelion>I need to find my other HDMI cable D:
21:04<Daevien>jed: nice. beach watching the hurricane come at you? :p
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21:05<@jed>I wanna punch the eye and get a photo in the center
21:05<@jed>that's my goal for this storm
21:05<Perihelion>I need to charge my camera.
21:06<@jed>or a photo of me on the beach doing the 'COME AT ME BRO' pose to it
21:06<@jed>either one is a karma jackpot with the right headline on reddit
21:06<Daevien>news after the storm: linode employee last seen flying by local landmark
21:06<@jed>which is all that matters in life
21:06<KyleXY>jed: Eh, you're a reddit fan to? heh
21:07<Perihelion>I can't get into Reddit for whatever reason
21:07<KyleXY>Perihelion: up here,
21:07<heidi>Perihelion: possibly because people like jed like it
21:07<heidi>opposite personality and all
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21:23<HoopyCat>sectional chart + NOTAM + weather + google maps mashup == uberslow around the national capitol region, for sure
21:23<Nivex>HoopyCat: that sounds awesome. where do I find such a thing?
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21:26<Nivex>HoopyCat: hawt
21:26<HoopyCat>Nivex: (click the map for TFRs)
21:27<HoopyCat>take a drink every time a TFR says "MAY USE DEADLY FORCE AGAINST THE AIRBORNE AIRCRAFT"
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21:29<akerl>maku`off: Recommending you fix that.
21:32<KyleXY>stupid away nicks
21:32*Obsidian|server looks at the switch
21:33*Obsidian|server ensures the switch is still set to "More Magic", then continues about his business
21:38<ajmitch>Kyhwana: see the news about ipv6 & snap?
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22:04<gix>is that posible now to setup pptpd on linode ?or just openVPN ?
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22:06<Daevien>gix: if you can run it on linux & it's legal absically, you can run it on linode
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22:36<@jed>fixed the blinds being visible on hurricam
22:36<@jed>nothing interesting, though
22:36*jed flips on CNN
22:37<Musfuut>jed: Where you at again?
22:37<@jed>galloway, nj
22:38<Musfuut>Ahh way up there. New Jersey style pizza is my favorite, you are probably sick of it though. :3
22:38<gadams>Ready for the hurricane?
22:38<Daevien>gadams: he's got his webcam ready anyway :p
22:38<@jed>gadams: as prepped as can be
22:39<gadams>Will the Newark Data Center flood? lol
22:40<Musfuut>I call dibs on any water damaged pizzas, I'll pay shipping. Water damaged hardware is good too. But yeah stay safe seriously
22:40<pharaun>when going to hit?
22:40<Daevien>tomorrow night i think
22:41<Obsidian|server>jed: don't be stupid, if the hurricam has issues, DON'T GO OVER TO FIX THEM DURING THE STORM.
22:42<Obsidian|server>there'll be enough idiots out standing at the beach taking videos and pictures, you don't have to put yourself at risk.
22:42*jed rolls eyes
22:42<Obsidian|server>jed: in a more serious note, stay safe dude
22:43*gadams from Florida
22:43*Musfuut is also from Florida
22:43<gadams>Been through more hurricanes than you
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22:44<Musfuut>gadams: LOL were you stunt in a motel room during 3 hurricanes, each time losing power for days with no ventilation and two stinking dogs? Mmmhmm I didn't think so...
22:44<Musfuut>stunt? stunk
22:44<Musfuut>stuck* dang it
22:45<gadams>I had 13 trees hit my house
22:45<Peng>Musfuut: I think "stunt" and "stunk" apply too.
22:45<gadams>Having no roof isn't fun through 3 hurricanes
22:45<Gadget>Hi all, any status on Newark NOC and the hurricane? Currently rsync'ing my node to local... how much of a concern is the hurricane likely to present?
22:46<Obsidian|server>gadams: no, your house hit those trees :D
22:46<Obsidian|server>gadams: and somehow you racked up one hell of a high score too
22:46<Musfuut>Wow, that sucks gadams, I'm sorry.
22:46<Obsidian|server>Clearly you pulled a Wizard-of-Oz flying house trick. You must have.
22:47<Daevien>Gadget: NJ dc isn't just thrown together from sticks & mud, it should be fine, worse case is it something major goes on to knock out power but i imagne they have quite a big stock of diesel
22:48<gadams>Daevien, I'm more worried about flooding
22:48<Obsidian|server>my worry would be networking really
22:48<Perihelion>Gadget: NAC has said they've taken precautions and have various staff on standby to help out
22:48<Peng>Perihelion: They bought a bunch of buckets? :D
22:48<@jed>Gadget: I'd expect business as usual
22:48<Daevien>Peng: NJ, not fremont
22:48<@jed>in my personal, non-Linode opinion, Internet in the northeast is probably going to be a poop sandwich
22:48<Obsidian|server>two points to Daevien
22:48<@jed>but that's outside of NAC's control
22:49<Obsidian|server>jed: oh I bet. it's going to be funny, people whining about "can't get to facebook bawwww"
22:49<Obsidian|server>Perihelion: ^5
22:49<Daevien>Perihelion: you going to be on the beach with crazy jed?
22:49<Gadget>Indeed, NAC doesn't run DC's out of tents, but sometimes the best contingency plans are still a "best guess" scenario... concerns being more of the status of connectivity
22:50<Perihelion>Daevien: Nein
22:50<Perihelion>I will be inside making a hammock
22:50<Perihelion>I need to hoover...there's cat hair everywhere and it's making me crazy
22:51<Daevien>Perihelion: when did hoopy visit?
22:51<Perihelion>He showed up with urmom two nights ago
22:51<Gadget>even if NAC has fuel enough to keep things running for weeks, if the big fat (but incredibly skinny) light-pipe that connects us to the node were to get snipped somewhere along the line...
22:52<Perihelion>Backups are always a good idea regardless of the weather ;)
22:52<Daevien>your data would be still fine, if you need to be up, get redundnacy in another dc? :)
22:52<Gadget>haha, ay, yes, they are, Perihelion
22:52<Obsidian|server>pffft WHO NEEDS BACKUPS IN THIS DAY AND AGE
22:53<squircle>famous last words
22:53<Perihelion>I would be as concerned as you need to be, meaning don't freak out about it but be prepared
22:53<Gadget>well, my redundancy is my local net
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22:55<@jed>first tornado warning
22:55<@jed>camp lejeune (sp?)
22:55<pronto>ah, i dont care about them
22:56<pronto>as long as it dont turn into a sigting
22:56<Perihelion>Rain isn't supposed to start here until 5am?
22:56<Perihelion>I thought it was going to be a lot latter
22:56<Gadget>as long as there is still a roof over top of my node, haha
22:56<@jed>we'll start getting rain tomorrow evening
22:57<pronto>anyone sleeping at the NJ datacenter? >.>
22:57<Perihelion>NAC staff are (one of them IMed me xD)
22:57<Perihelion>Apparently there's a mini campout there
22:57<Gadget>just has to stay put long enough for rsync to complete...
22:57<Daevien>Perihelion: tell them to use gadget's server as a bonfire?
22:58<HoopyCat>good news everybody! the updated information indicates that the center of the eyewall will likely pass directly over the office, meaning the most lethal core winds will only last for a few hours!
22:58<Perihelion>I guess I should go check mail
22:59<Gadget>hmm, wonder what happens if the guv'nor orders the NAC camp to disperse and evacuate
22:59<@jed>they won't
22:59<@jed>the governor, I mean
22:59<@jed>they're miles inland -- the newark facility isn't in newark
23:00<pronto>YOU'VE LIED TO US!
23:00<@jed>mind blown!
23:00<Daevien>Gadget: most likely NAC would tell them off anyway :p
23:00<pronto>though, the IP of my linode for some geo-ip thing once said texas
23:00<pronto>i was confused
23:00<Daevien>no, the geo service you use sucks
23:01<HoopyCat>there's also usually exemptions for essential infrastructure operations people etc etc
23:01<Nivex>!wx kmmu
23:01<linbot>Nivex: [metar] OBS at KMMU: 69.8F/21C, visibility 7 miles, wind 0.00 mph (altimeter: 29.97) [KMMU 270255Z AUTO 00000KT 7SM SCT065 21/20 A2997 RMK AO2]
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23:01<Daevien>jed: it's cedar knolls dc isn't it?
23:01<squircle>!wx cwwb
23:01<linbot>squircle: [metar] OBS at CWWB: 66.2F/19C, visibility CWWB 270200Z AUTO 33001KT 19/17 RMK AO1 SLP142 T01910171 55001 miles, wind 1.15 mph (altimeter: ) [CWWB 270200Z AUTO 33001KT 19/17 RMK AO1 SLP142 T01910171 55001]
23:01<@jed>Daevien: yes
23:02<squircle>linbot: 55001 miles? really?
23:02<HoopyCat>squircle: no, CWWB 270200Z AUTO 33001KT 19/17 RMK AO1 SLP142 T01910171 55001 miles
23:03<squircle>well, yes
23:03<squircle>but still, parsing fail
23:03<squircle>not all weather stations are at airports
23:03<Perihelion>MINI TACOS
23:03<squircle>but i still love you, linbot
23:04<Perihelion>More laundry and dishes...back soon
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23:09*Daevien throws out peri's dishes. no more dishes to do!
23:11<HoopyCat>looks like there are now... uhh... three tornado warnings
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23:11<Daevien>where you getting info from hoopy?
23:13<Daevien>ah thanks
23:13<@jed>yep. here they come
23:14<@jed>god, they're hauling ass, too
23:14<@jed>50 mph
23:15<@jed>haha, wow
23:16<HoopyCat>it's gonna be a long night
23:16<squircle>i wonder if toronto'll get any of it...
23:16<@jed>you can see brief blips of motion against the rotation, too, which I assume are the funnels
23:16<HoopyCat>squircle: probably not
23:16<@jed>in the warning areas
23:16<squircle>HoopyCat: unless we have another hurricane hazel
23:16<squircle>not like I was alive for that
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23:17<Daevien>thats the projected path
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23:17<HoopyCat>jed: yeah, the little off-color nuggets are the areas of concern, if you will
23:17<squircle>Daevien: are you in the path? (you're in NS, right?)
23:17<squircle>oh wait, it doesn't cross NS!
23:17<Daevien>nah it goes between you & me :p
23:18<HoopyCat>you can see a little better on
23:19<@jed>this is motion toward and from the radar, right?
23:19<@jed>I've seen this type of image before
23:19<@jed>and green+red next to each other = bad
23:19<HoopyCat>jed: nod
23:22<Musfuut>Btw how do websites typically deal with putting up a maintence page while performing backups, updates, etc. or updates where the server may need to be rebooted. Would that typically be handled with a second system and swapping the IPs or redirecting dns to the server displaying the maintence message?
23:23<Obsidian|server>reverse proxy, usually
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23:23<HoopyCat>jed: random operational geekery: notice the range folding "ring" on AKQ's storm relative velocity image becoming more pronounced at 0304 UTC? VCP 121 to VCP 212
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23:25<Musfuut>So a second server for the reverse proxy, are there services which provide that service?
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23:29<HoopyCat>Musfuut: we have a maintenance page mode, but we've never used it. it's done with nginx's try_files on the load balancers... if maintenance.html exists, serve it out
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23:30<Knight>leenodah eh
23:30<HoopyCat>Musfuut: (why would backups affect things?!)
23:31<Musfuut>HoopyCat: Inconsistant state of logs upon being backed up, I dunno, I'll warn I'm only half awake and also not 100% here
23:32<HoopyCat>Musfuut: are you using MySQL by chance? :-P
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23:33<Musfuut>Hehe yes I am
23:33<gadams>I'm using Percona :P
23:34<HoopyCat>Musfuut: use InnoDB (and binlogs); life will be about 98% better
23:34<gadams>Why am I newb for using Percona Perihelion ?
23:35<Musfuut>HoopyCat: Oh, it isn't something I personally need, I'm really the only visitor to my site and I know when to expect downtime so no need for notices lol... I was just wondering how larger sites handled it.
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23:38<HoopyCat>Musfuut: ... i have an autographed copy of this book (!) and it is goosebumps territory
23:39<Musfuut>bookmarked, thanks HoopyCat :3
23:40<Daevien>leave it to hoopy to have an autographed copy of of that :P
23:41<Daevien>another map of irene!/2011/Irene?hp
23:43<@heckman>Hurricane Irene is following me on twitter.
23:43<HoopyCat>Daevien: my boss was in line for it while i was in line for beer
23:43<HoopyCat>Daevien: i told him where the shortest beer line was, in exchange for the book. win/win
23:44<HoopyCat>afk, sleep
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23:49<Defen>Hmm.. only 1.2Gbps of total bandwidth on this 8-port Gbit switch. Oh well, it was free
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.24701981, 0.67221817) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 99096 of 125832 (π ≈ 3.150104901773794 - 0.008512248184001). http://π
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