| --- | Log | opened Wed Aug 31 00:00:07 2011 |
| --- | Day | changed Wed Aug 31 2011 |
| 00:00 | * | Peng stabs heckman. No rDNS! |
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| 00:01 | <Daevien> | some of the oftc servers don't do rdns on ipv6 well |
| 00:01 | <akerl> | The one he's on does :p |
| 00:02 | <Peng> | Daevien: Yes, but 'dig' does. |
| 00:02 | <@heckman> | Of course no rDNS. I would not want to mask "9001" |
| 00:02 | <Peng> | Oh, right. |
| 00:02 | <Peng> | That makes sense. |
| 00:02 | <Peng> | You deserved stabbing anyway, though. |
| 00:02 | <@heckman> | Although, umad-b.ro is seemingly going to waste. |
| 00:03 | <dwfreed> | hehe |
| 00:03 | <Peng> | So is jed's dom0.us :( |
| 00:03 | <Daevien> | Peng: thats cause jed is lazy he said. he started to redo his stuff then left it half finished |
| 00:03 | <dwfreed> | http://goo.gl/6Z1cl |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | yes. |
| 00:03 | <Daevien> | dom0.ca > dom0.us anyway |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | ha ha ok |
| 00:03 | <@jed> | canada |
| 00:04 | <praetorian> | !d |
| 00:04 | <linbot> | praetorian: Now 84% full (about 1 hour remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 03:25 UTC, last full Sunday at 11:00 UTC after running for 14.0 hours. |
| 00:04 | <akerl> | America's hat! |
| 00:04 | <Daevien> | akerl: a hat with a better credit rating |
| 00:04 | <gadams> | !d |
| 00:04 | <linbot> | gadams: Now 84% full (about 1 hour remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 03:25 UTC, last full Sunday at 11:00 UTC after running for 14.0 hours. |
| 00:04 | <akerl> | Meh. Who cares about national credit rating? |
| 00:04 | <dwfreed> | I love goo.gl urls |
| 00:04 | <gadams> | later. |
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| 00:04 | <Peng> | dwfreed: Why? |
| 00:05 | <Peng> | gadams left to empty the dehumidifier? :D |
| 00:05 | <dwfreed> | Peng: because you can go to <url>+ and see where the url points, and see various other statistical data about the url |
| 00:06 | <Peng> | dwfreed: Yeah, that is neat. |
| 00:06 | <dwfreed> | (how many clicks, country, platform, and browser counts for it, and click graph, etc.) |
| 00:07 | <akerl> | If you go to <url>++, it should give you stats on the stats page. |
| 00:07 | <dwfreed> | unfortunately, no |
| 00:09 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
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| 00:10 | <dwfreed> | Anybody notice where that short url pointed to? |
| 00:10 | <Peng> | Yes, that was interesting. |
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| 00:11 | <dwfreed> | A friend of mine was able to get that there through a flaw in their site, and they haven't taken it down yet (I think the sysadmin's are still enjoying a laugh (it's been up for several months)) |
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| 00:12 | <dwfreed> | They've since fixed the flaw thoug |
| 00:12 | <dwfreed> | s/$/&h/ |
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| 00:12 | <Peng> | ....O_O |
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| 00:13 | <akerl> | I'm surprised the feds haven't kicked in his door yet |
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| 00:13 | <dwfreed> | akerl: he told them about the flaw soon after doing it |
| 00:13 | <Peng> | dwfreed: And now we're probably all on watchlists for knowing the URL. |
| 00:14 | <dwfreed> | Peng: doubtful |
| 00:14 | <akerl> | dwfreed: I'm still surprised they didn't kick in his door. Lots of companies don't take to kindly to having a flaw pointed out, and the feds aren't always pleasant |
| 00:16 | <dwfreed> | akerl: indeed, but if you tell them first, instead of the internet at large, then they tend to be more forgiving of it |
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| 00:24 | <linbot> | New news from forums: apache2 default page redirecting to some other place in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7660> |
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| 00:26 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
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| 00:28 | <@jed> | MAJOR WOW FACTOR |
| 00:28 | <akerl> | ? Why are we WOW'd? |
| 00:28 | <Kyhwana> | That guy has a bunch of open ports |
| 00:28 | <akerl> | Holy monkey nuggets |
| 00:29 | * | akerl bets he's running cpanel or similar |
| 00:29 | <akerl> | Port 12345? Very creative |
| 00:29 | <linbot> | New news from forums: need help with Joomla in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7300> |
| 00:29 | <Kyhwana> | haha |
| 00:29 | <KyleXY> | Joomla, lord |
| 00:30 | <KyleXY> | Is someone pulling a late april fools joke? .-. |
| 00:30 | <Daevien> | is 2082 or 2083 open akerl? |
| 00:30 | <Kyhwana> | hmm. his IP goes to some control panel "you suck at setting up stuff" page |
| 00:30 | <Daevien> | those are the cpanel ports i belive from memory |
| 00:30 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: they are |
| 00:30 | <akerl> | Daevien: Nope |
| 00:30 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: 2082 2083 2086 2087 |
| 00:30 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: aliases, /whm /webmail /cpanel |
| 00:31 | <Kyhwana> | and he's running ftp |
| 00:31 | <Kyhwana> | Oh, he's running EHCP |
| 00:31 | <akerl> | KyleXY: Are you talking about joomla guy? |
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| 00:31 | <akerl> | Because I don't see those open on mtgamer guy |
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| 00:32 | <MrGeneral> | I always forget to come to oftc <.< |
| 00:32 | <KyleXY> | akerl: no I'm just speaking in general |
| 00:32 | <Kyhwana> | the mtgamer guy is running "easy hosting control panel" |
| 00:32 | <Daevien> | i think he was confirming my thought that they were cpanel |
| 00:32 | <MrGeneral> | brb ssl time |
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| 00:33 | <MrGeneral> | Back |
| 00:33 | <akerl> | I usually guess control panel when they've got 53 open. Most noobs don't install dns on their own, but their panel does |
| 00:33 | <akerl> | MrGeneral: Good to know. |
| 00:33 | <MrGeneral> | sorry for the spam :P |
| 00:33 | <KyleXY> | akerl: generally, unless you're like me :p |
| 00:33 | <Kyhwana> | wow, the domains he talks about go to a bunch of different IPs |
| 00:33 | <Kyhwana> | er, has A records for a bunch of different IPs |
| 00:33 | <Daevien> | MrGeneral: i suggest you turn off auto away & messages liek that. or you'll find a caker sized hole in your ass if he sees it :p |
| 00:33 | <akerl> | Kyhwana: I'm betting that's his issue. |
| 00:33 | * | KyleXY has a little dns daemon spitting out 30s TTL for spitting users to certain places. |
| 00:34 | <Kyhwana> | His reverse record for his linode IP goes to mtgames.org, but none of the A records match his linode IP |
| 00:34 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: lord |
| 00:34 | <Kyhwana> | well, I suppose he could have multiple v4 IPs from linode |
| 00:34 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: matters, are they in the same subnets? |
| 00:34 | <Daevien> | his mtprox.org doesn't use linode dns even |
| 00:35 | <Daevien> | his mtgames.org uses cloudflare |
| 00:35 | <akerl> | Daevien: It has the same IP at least. |
| 00:35 | <KyleXY> | mtgames.org has address 173.245.61.40 |
| 00:35 | <KyleXY> | mtgames.org has address 173.245.61.113 |
| 00:35 | <KyleXY> | mtgames.org mail is handled by 10 direct-connect.mtgames.org. |
| 00:35 | <KyleXY> | I'd bet that was handled by his control panel |
| 00:35 | <Kyhwana> | Someone needs to tell him he needs to look at his DNS records first |
| 00:35 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: http://direct-connect.mtgames.org/ehcp/ |
| 00:36 | <Kyhwana> | nice |
| 00:36 | * | KyleXY laughs at the bottom |
| 00:36 | <KyleXY> | Users:3,Domains:9,Ftpusers:1,Emails:12 |
| 00:36 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 00:36 | <Kyhwana> | lol ftpusers |
| 00:36 | <KyleXY> | told us exactly everything we shouldn't need to know |
| 00:36 | <akerl> | Why hello, Mr. Public Accessible Control Pannel |
| 00:36 | <KyleXY> | of course. |
| 00:36 | <Kyhwana> | "So, it looks like you're using a cpanel..." |
| 00:36 | <KyleXY> | "Hello mr control panel, mind telling me how overbloated this server is?" |
| 00:36 | <KyleXY> | http://direct-connect.mtgames.org/ehcp/?op=applyforaccount -- wow, |
| 00:37 | * | KyleXY points to the ads on the page, and the fact the sidebar gives us all the options |
| 00:37 | <KyleXY> | oh, and lots of frames |
| 00:37 | <Daevien> | look at his actual page KyleXY |
| 00:37 | <Kyhwana> | and whoops |
| 00:37 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: I'm kind of hoping not to |
| 00:37 | <akerl> | If you have ads on your admin interface, you're doing it wrong... |
| 00:37 | <Daevien> | zero clue why he uses cloudflare. it's all text |
| 00:37 | <Kyhwana> | security vulerabilities in that version of EHCP |
| 00:38 | * | KyleXY dies |
| 00:38 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: ooops. |
| 00:38 | <Kyhwana> | Hmm |
| 00:38 | <Kyhwana> | I think. http://ehcp.net/ |
| 00:38 | <KyleXY> | Who's keeping track of this and going to post it? heh |
| 00:38 | <Kyhwana> | " I released ehcp 0.29.15.3 with some security enhancement now. So, if you are using pre 0.29.15, upgrade to this. if you already use 0.29.15, just replace your classapp.php file. Upgrade your ehcp to this fix asap," |
| 00:39 | <akerl> | KyleXY: Post? You mean pwn, right? |
| 00:39 | * | akerl is kidding. Mostly. |
| 00:39 | <KyleXY> | akerl: That's what essentially will happen |
| 00:39 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: lord, look at all of those ads |
| 00:39 | <akerl> | This is why I always ask for IPs in irc. A) It lets me practice reviewing security. B) It lets us say "Holy crap, fix all this" |
| 00:40 | <Kyhwana> | and a publically accessable phpmyadmin |
| 00:40 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: argh |
| 00:40 | <akerl> | Does EHCP default to ads in the admin interface?? Or did he set that up manually? |
| 00:40 | <KyleXY> | "First of all, I would like to thank linode and dot5hosting for selling me this excellent server space and excellent domain at a fraction of the cost it would be anywhere else." |
| 00:40 | <KyleXY> | heh |
| 00:40 | <KyleXY> | akerl: my bet is manually |
| 00:40 | <akerl> | Which is so sad |
| 00:40 | <KyleXY> | akerl: I'll spin up a VM on my host to see honestly |
| 00:41 | <akerl> | Don't bother |
| 00:41 | <akerl> | screenshots on echp site show ads |
| 00:41 | <akerl> | http://ehcp.net/sites/default/files/ehcp_add_setup_domain.png |
| 00:41 | <KyleXY> | how much do you want to bet that those are pain in the necks to remove. |
| 00:42 | <akerl> | I wonder how much revenue the dev honestly gets from ads on an admin interface? |
| 00:42 | <@jed> | pains in the neck |
| 00:42 | <@jed> | GRAMMAR PEEVE |
| 00:42 | <akerl> | or s/are/are a/ |
| 00:42 | <KyleXY> | jed: :p |
| 00:42 | <@jed> | :> |
| 00:42 | <akerl> | Meh, neck is wrong then too |
| 00:42 | <KyleXY> | jed: It's late, my grammar is the door. |
| 00:43 | <akerl> | http://direct-connect.mtgames.org/ |
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| 00:43 | <KyleXY> | akerl: already saw |
| 00:43 | <akerl> | Really? My distaste for ehcp was already strong, now it's growing |
| 00:43 | <KyleXY> | akerl: that's how I got to the admincp, heh |
| 00:43 | * | Daevien replies to this his: grab your data, check it for bugs, nuke your linode from orbit |
| 00:43 | <KyleXY> | akerl: It's a copy of cPanel's page, with an ugleh logo |
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| 00:44 | <KyleXY> | akerl: Oh you'll love this. |
| 00:44 | <KyleXY> | akerl: "Secondly, I would like to thank W3Schools for providing excellent tutorials, free of charge." |
| 00:44 | * | akerl grabs facedesk glue |
| 00:44 | <KyleXY> | explains why we have web1.0 |
| 00:44 | <Daevien> | KyleXY: he missed the ones about oh, graphics anywhere |
| 00:44 | <akerl> | Daevien: At least there's no midi loops |
| 00:44 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: https://secure.sitelock.com/verify.php?site=www.mtgames.org |
| 00:44 | <Peng> | I hope we're going to respond to that thread instead of just discussing it? |
| 00:44 | <Daevien> | heh |
| 00:45 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: what the heck, "OH GEEZ, MAKE PHONE PUBLIC NAO" |
| 00:45 | <akerl> | Peng: I might just link him to the irc logs |
| 00:45 | <KyleXY> | Peng: ditto, ^^ |
| 00:45 | <Daevien> | KyleXY: not to mention they say the site is safe heh. new company to avoid! |
| 00:45 | <Peng> | akerl: Yeah, I was thinkin' that, but was hoping someone else was less lazy |
| 00:45 | <Daevien> | Peng: i think you are in the wrong place if you hope that |
| 00:45 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: http://www.fonefinder.net/findome.php?npa=225&nxx=588&thoublock=4284&usaquerytype=Search+by+Number&cityname= |
| 00:46 | <Kyhwana> | oh and a ftp client on that ehcp page oto |
| 00:46 | <KyleXY> | Daevien: Cingular, |
| 00:46 | <akerl> | It's less laziness and more "I want to scare the shit out of him with how easily we could rip through his stuff |
| 00:47 | <Daevien> | i don't want to get involved. if his linode is that much of a mess, his homepages look like that.. he's pretty new. and i just dont feel like holindg his hand for the next 6 hours :p |
| 00:49 | <Peng> | I posted a link to the logs. |
| 00:50 | <dwfreed> | heh, good luck getting anywhere with my Linode |
| 00:51 | <Daevien> | ./msg jed nuke dwfreed's node for a min? |
| 00:51 | <akerl> | Peng: You beat me to it :p |
| 00:51 | <Daevien> | :p |
| 00:51 | <dwfreed> | Daevien: learn2/say |
| 00:52 | <Kyhwana> | huh and he's running a MOO |
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| 00:52 | <Kyhwana> | that isn't working properly |
| 00:52 | <KyleXY> | Kyhwana: the list goes on and on |
| 00:52 | <Daevien> | dwfreed: lrn2laugh. it was an intentional thing |
| 00:53 | <dwfreed> | Daevien: i know it was |
| 00:53 | <Kyhwana> | hmm and webmin on 12345 (https) |
| 00:53 | <dwfreed> | nmap FTW |
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| 00:53 | <Daevien> | oy. webmin & a diff cp? definitely need to nuke that from orbit |
| 00:53 | <akerl> | Kyhwana: What IP? I don't see webmin? |
| 00:54 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: the IP he posted in the forum |
| 00:54 | <Kyhwana> | it's over https on 12345 |
| 00:54 | <@jed> | ha Ha ha Ha |
| 00:54 | <akerl> | Yea, I see 12345 open, but don't see webmin in chrome |
| 00:54 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
| 00:54 | <Kyhwana> | it doesn't load, but thats what nmap says |
| 00:54 | * | akerl bets it's not webmin |
| 00:54 | <Daevien> | Kyhwana: fail security scan |
| 00:55 | <Daevien> | just cause it uses a port doesn't mean it's what USUALLY uses the port |
| 00:55 | <Musfuut> | Well nmap just reports what i usually on that port number I believe |
| 00:55 | <MrGeneral> | Daevien: I do not have any auto away messages :P |
| 00:55 | <Musfuut> | so it could be anything on it |
| 00:55 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
| 00:55 | <Kyhwana> | true |
| 00:55 | <Daevien> | MrGeneral: yeah but you did the brb then back msgs. caker hates those :p |
| 00:55 | <KyleXY> | MrGeneral: prepare to be nuked from orbit. |
| 00:55 | <akerl> | "Server: MiniServ/0.01" ? |
| 00:55 | <Kyhwana> | It is a web server running SSL tho, apparently |
| 00:56 | <akerl> | http://sourceforge.net/projects/miniserv/ |
| 00:56 | <Daevien> | that is webmin i think |
| 00:56 | <akerl> | I guess it's just poorly configured webmin. Who bets he installed webmin, then deleted the files? |
| 00:57 | <Daevien> | mtgames dude: if you read this - backup your data, check it over really really good then nuke your linode & check out http://library.linode.com/ |
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| 00:58 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
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| 00:59 | <Peng> | errr: <3 |
| 00:59 | <errr> | :) |
| 00:59 | <KyleXY> | Daevien++ |
| 00:59 | * | Kyhwana nmaps his linode now |
| 00:59 | <Daevien> | Kyhwana: i'm sure half the channel already has |
| 01:00 | <MrGeneral> | Daevien: didnt know that <.<, KyleXY why? |
| 01:00 | <KyleXY> | MrGeneral: messages like that are the devil <_< |
| 01:00 | <MrGeneral> | Yeah sorry <.< |
| 01:00 | <akerl> | !away | MrGeneral |
| 01:00 | <linbot> | http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 01:00 | <Daevien> | they add clutter to the channel and serve no purpose. we really don't care if you are here or idle :p |
| 01:01 | <akerl> | Which, by extension, applies to messages that do nothing but describe status |
| 01:01 | <Kyhwana> | Daevien: haha |
| 01:01 | <Peng> | brb |
| 01:01 | <akerl> | Oh guys, nevermind about the ehcp guy, he's fine. |
| 01:01 | <akerl> | He's not running regular ftpd. His ftpd is vs! |
| 01:01 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: I saw that! |
| 01:02 | <Kyhwana> | very secure! |
| 01:02 | <MrGeneral> | I do have to show you this http://www.ehcp.net/diger/demo/ |
| 01:02 | <akerl> | And... He's running an iphone app for monitoring |
| 01:02 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: he is? |
| 01:02 | <akerl> | "5109/tcp open istat istatd server for iStat iPhone app" <-- nmap -sV |
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| 01:02 | <Kyhwana> | MrGeneral: that's confidence inspiring |
| 01:02 | <KyleXY> | lord, |
| 01:02 | <MrGeneral> | indeed Kyhwana :P |
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| 01:03 | <akerl> | omg moo! |
| 01:03 | <Peng> | Maybe nmap is wrong? |
| 01:03 | <Daevien> | yeah someone mentioned that before akerl. been a while since i heard of someone runnign a moo/mud/whatever |
| 01:04 | <Solver> | most people don't even know what they are anymore |
| 01:04 | <Kyhwana> | I imagine you could download ehcp 0.29.15 and just diff between that and .4 |
| 01:04 | <Solver> | don't forget mush as well :) |
| 01:04 | <KyleXY> | At least thing guy has decent grammar, |
| 01:04 | <KyleXY> | That's a plus, I suppose. |
| 01:04 | <Musfuut> | I know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:05 | <@jed> | I know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:05 | * | KyleXY apt-get moo's |
| 01:05 | <akerl> | jed: telnet to 2285 |
| 01:05 | <@jed> | I know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:05 | <KyleXY> | I know repeat but what is repeat? .-. |
| 01:05 | <Daevien> | more object oriented |
| 01:05 | <@jed> | I know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:05 | <KyleXY> | jed: argh, he just said it :p |
| 01:06 | <Musfuut> | Uhoh somebody needs to reboot jed |
| 01:06 | <Daevien> | lets you code objects that do stuff then replicate them, etc. think of minecraft in text i guess? |
| 01:06 | <KyleXY> | Musfuut: broken record, time to replace the memory. |
| 01:06 | <akerl> | Ah! How to escape moo?! |
| 01:06 | <Daevien> | akerl: feed it |
| 01:06 | <@jed> | Do you know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:07 | <@array> | moar object oriented |
| 01:07 | <@jed> | array: Mud but what is moo? |
| 01:08 | <@array> | jed is stick in riddle mode |
| 01:08 | <Daevien> | array: punch jed next time you see him? |
| 01:08 | <@jed> | I'm sorry, but all answers must be in the form of mud but what is moo? |
| 01:08 | <linbot> | you all need help |
| 01:08 | <@caker> | mush |
| 01:08 | <Daevien> | muck |
| 01:09 | <Musfuut> | Appears to be Mud, Object orientated |
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| 01:09 | <linbot> | at least we don't talk through bots. |
| 01:09 | <mdcollins> | Did you guys see the news? A bunch of people escaped from the mental facility. |
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| 01:09 | <akerl> | mdcollins: And they all joined #linode? |
| 01:09 | <@array> | Daevien: hah :) |
| 01:09 | <Kyhwana> | and escape from splicehost? |
| 01:13 | <Musfuut> | I'd love to know what percentage of slicehosters came to linode, went to rackspace, discontinued using vps, went insane, etc. |
| 01:14 | <@jed> | probably the same percentage that know mud but what is moo? |
| 01:16 | <Musfuut> | :) |
| 01:16 | <@jed> | breaking news from linode australia |
| 01:17 | <akerl> | mud but what is moo? |
| 01:17 | <bob2> | jed: don't toy with my emotions like that |
| 01:17 | <@jed> | employees working diligently to uncover the meaning of mud but what is moo? |
| 01:18 | <@jed> | im sorry, that's just one of the oddest phrases I've read on IRC in a while |
| 01:18 | <Musfuut> | :) |
| 01:18 | <@jed> | :) |
| 01:19 | <Musfuut> | I like this channel, it has a better community imo that slicehost's support chat limited to 50 users or whatever it was. |
| 01:19 | <@jed> | they weren't up on mud but what is moo |
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| 01:20 | <Daevien> | array: make that twice please |
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| 01:38 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
| 01:38 | <Kyhwana> | I guess lilmike posted that and went to bed |
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| 01:44 | <amitz> | so.. what's the difference between route and ip route ? |
| 01:44 | <rlankfo> | man ip |
| 01:44 | <rlankfo> | man route |
| 01:45 | <Peng> | amitz: route is part of net-tools; ip is iproute2. |
| 01:45 | <Peng> | amitz: They're completely different pieces of software. iproute2 is cooler. |
| 01:45 | <dwfreed> | amitz: minimal, but ip route can be easier to use at times |
| 01:46 | <rlankfo> | Peng: good to know... |
| 01:46 | <amitz> | can the content be conflicting? |
| 01:46 | <dwfreed> | The content should be the same |
| 01:46 | <amitz> | or they edit the same underlying table? |
| 01:46 | <@jed> | man mud |
| 01:46 | <@jed> | man moo |
| 01:46 | <dwfreed> | They do |
| 01:46 | <Defenestrator> | Flexibility, mostly |
| 01:46 | <Defenestrator> | ip route can do more |
| 01:47 | <Peng> | amitz: They're both frontends to...kernel...stuff... |
| 01:47 | <Defenestrator> | "route" just manipulates the single routing table in certain specific very standard ways |
| 01:47 | <amitz> | I notice that I can do, for example, a delete an entry of ip route twice but not on route. Where is the real table, so to speak? |
| 01:48 | <@jed> | ip is a chainsaw, ifconfig/route are rubber mallets |
| 01:48 | <Defenestrator> | The iproute2 tools are considerably more flexible, but very Linux-specific (and usually not necessary for basic "getting your host online" routing |
| 01:48 | <amitz> | when I was messing with them. |
| 01:48 | <akerl> | s/chainsaw/lightsaber/ |
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| 01:49 | <dwfreed> | amitz: the kernel maintains the routing table, and that's what route and ip route edit |
| 01:50 | <amitz> | which one of the kernel routing table is assumed to be more accuracte? route's or ip route's? or maybe there is a direct way to see the routing table? |
| 01:50 | <dwfreed> | ifconfig's way of adding and showing IPv4 addresses is silly and should be fixed |
| 01:50 | <amitz> | one of the method |
| 01:50 | <dwfreed> | amitz: route and ip route edit the same table |
| 01:50 | <dwfreed> | They just show it differently |
| 01:51 | <Defenestrator> | Well, not entirely true. route edits a table, ip route edits all of them |
| 01:51 | <bob2> | all/some of them |
| 01:51 | <bob2> | route just sees the one |
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| 01:52 | <amitz> | I'm just trying to make sense some weird behaviors I encountered. |
| 01:52 | <amitz> | nothing specific yet, learning by doing. |
| 01:52 | <Solver> | APNIC 32 is on - some interesting discussions on v6 |
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| 01:53 | <Kyhwana> | "NATs are good" |
| 01:54 | <Solver> | http://meetings.apnic.net/32 (disclaimer, I work for APNIC but I'm mentioning this as I think a lot of it is genuinely interesting) |
| 01:54 | <Solver> | currently they are doing policy proposals for APNIC region |
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| 01:55 | <Defenestrator> | to deal with the IPv4 shortage? |
| 01:55 | <bob2> | Solver: policy: no moar ipv4 |
| 01:55 | <Defenestrator> | or just in general? |
| 01:55 | <Solver> | Defenestrator: well a lot of the current meeting is about v6 migration |
| 01:55 | <bob2> | Defenestrator: it's already at ONLY ONE MORE ALLOCATION PER EXISTING MEMBER mode |
| 01:55 | <Solver> | good talks from google and yahoo on IPv6 day yesterday |
| 01:55 | <Peng> | bob2: Existing members get more allocations? |
| 01:55 | <Defenestrator> | bob2: yeah... US is short on time, but APNIC's out |
| 01:55 | <Solver> | as in yesterday they talked about their experiences on IPv6 day |
| 01:56 | <Kyhwana> | You can only get a single /22 out of APNIC now and that's it. I think. |
| 01:56 | <bob2> | Peng: no |
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| 01:57 | * | SnoFox squeezes a single /22 out of APNIC, then assigns himself the rest of APNIC's range. |
| 01:57 | <Kyhwana> | Will be interesting when CGNAT kicks in and what happens with the stupid copyright infringement bill. (there's "IPAPs" where not all ISPs are IPAPs and account holders) |
| 01:57 | <bob2> | they'll just make it the ISP's problem to keep track of (port, sourceip) pairs for dealing with DMCA complaints |
| 01:58 | <Kyhwana> | "Whoops, we can't pass on that notice because we're CGNATing our customers (twice)" |
| 01:58 | <Defenestrator> | ^^what Bob said. In the US, anyways. It'll be interesting to see what other countries do. |
| 01:58 | <bob2> | DOUBLE NAT |
| 01:58 | <Kyhwana> | bob2: also no one knows what happens when an ISP is reselling an upstreams service |
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| 01:58 | <bob2> | an upstream's CGNAT? |
| 01:58 | <bob2> | shudder |
| 01:58 | <bob2> | vomit |
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| 01:59 | <Kyhwana> | Because there's nothing in the bill that talks about what happens when ISP owns the IP address range but is an upstream for another ISP that also counts as an IPAP (not an account holder) |
| 01:59 | <Kyhwana> | It happens a bunch around here, there's lots of small ISPs and WISPs |
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| 02:00 | <Kyhwana> | The "rights holder" has to submit the notice via the ISPs automated notice service and pay a $25 fee per notice |
| 02:00 | <Defenestrator> | Anyone with APNIC-area customers is gonna have to get IPv6 dual-stacked sooner than they expect. |
| 02:00 | <Kyhwana> | Defenestrator: yep |
| 02:00 | <Defenestrator> | hopefully IPv6 Week will hurry that along a bit |
| 02:00 | <Kyhwana> | We had a first, an ISP rolled out v6 for all their DSl customers recently |
| 02:00 | <Defenestrator> | cool |
| 02:00 | <Kyhwana> | Now it's up to CPE makers to pull their heads out of their asses |
| 02:00 | <Defenestrator> | ooh, that's gonna be rough |
| 02:00 | <Kyhwana> | The ISP say a MASSIVE 1% ipv6 uptake! |
| 02:01 | <Kyhwana> | s/say/saw |
| 02:01 | <Defenestrator> | Lotta equipment to replace |
| 02:01 | <Solver> | a talk yesterday said that france has 3.4% |
| 02:01 | <Defenestrator> | Heh, now that I think about it, the firmware on my router doesn't support Ipv6 |
| 02:01 | <Defenestrator> | Yeah, free.fr has been really aggressive about rolling it out I think |
| 02:01 | <Kyhwana> | Defenestrator: yep, you'll be buying a new one |
| 02:02 | <Kyhwana> | which will be slowing ipv6 adoption down :( |
| 02:02 | <Kyhwana> | I haven't seen any ipv6 residential routers for sale here yet |
| 02:02 | <Defenestrator> | or flashing a new firmware, but it's 100Mbps and 802.11G (not N) so I'm due for a replacement anyways |
| 02:02 | <Defenestrator> | Really? I assumed most of the 802.11N ones supported IPv6 |
| 02:02 | <Kyhwana> | Defenestrator: is there a firmware out for it that does v6? (that isn't ddwrt, cya) |
| 02:02 | <Kyhwana> | Defenestrator: hell no |
| 02:02 | <Defenestrator> | damn |
| 02:02 | <@heckman> | Buffalo routers come with DD-WRT by default. |
| 02:02 | <Solver> | there are CPEs that support v6 but they are not necessarily common yet |
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| 02:03 | <Defenestrator> | There's probably a few. I'm using Tomato and its ancient 2.4 kernel |
| 02:03 | <dwfreed> | Still waiting on my university to start routing IPv6 for my internet |
| 02:03 | <@heckman> | DD-WRT: 2.6.24.111 |
| 02:04 | <Kyhwana> | hmm and providers of free (or paid+transiant) wifi here are screwed too.. they'll have to stop offering it or go out and buy a DPI box |
| 02:04 | <dwfreed> | I'm currently running a Hurricane Electric tunnel off my Linksys E2000 DD-WRT router |
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| 02:04 | <Kyhwana> | But that doesn't stop everyone and they're still liable if someone gets through it |
| 02:04 | <@heckman> | My DD-WRT router doesn't have enough storage to run the software for the HE tunnel. So I have my old netbook handling the IPv6 routing. Works out better that way, tbh. |
| 02:04 | <Daevien> | i run HE tunnel with a pfsense VM running under promox. works pretty well |
| 02:05 | <dwfreed> | heckman: how much flash do you have? |
| 02:05 | <dwfreed> | s/flash/& ROM/ |
| 02:06 | <@heckman> | 32MB I believe. |
| 02:06 | <@jed> | MUD BUT WHAT IS MOO |
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| 02:06 | <dwfreed> | heckman: what make and model do you have? |
| 02:06 | <@heckman> | Netgear WNR3500 v2 I believe. |
| 02:07 | <dwfreed> | heckman: yeah, you only have 4MB of flash rom, which isn't big enough for the big build which has radvd |
| 02:08 | <@heckman> | Ah yes, sorry. I was thinking RAM. |
| 02:08 | <@jed> | I WAS THINKING MUD |
| 02:08 | <@heckman> | And yeah. I'm thinking I may replace it with one of those Buffalo routers. I've not decided yet, tho. |
| 02:08 | <MrGeneral> | its being hard to get a good ipv6 connection info plugin for wordpress <.< |
| 02:09 | <Daevien> | since when did jed start thinking/ |
| 02:09 | <Musfuut> | I was thinking I know what mud is but not moo |
| 02:09 | <@heckman> | See: http://goo.gl/5g2K8 |
| 02:09 | <boba> | theres mud on the computers? |
| 02:10 | <Musfuut> | my internet at home is getting very unresponsive |
| 02:10 | <@heckman> | Maybe this one as well. This is actually fairly new: http://goo.gl/NqjDC |
| 02:10 | <Peng> | It comes with DD-WRT? |
| 02:10 | <@heckman> | Yes |
| 02:10 | <Peng> | Does it support IPv6? |
| 02:10 | <Peng> | By default? |
| 02:12 | <@heckman> | I believe you can do it via the Admin panel. |
| 02:12 | <Peng> | "VPN pass through, PPTP Server, Open VPN Server" |
| 02:12 | <dwfreed> | heckman: buy a refurbished Linksys E2000; they're cheap and awesome |
| 02:12 | <@heckman> | I've had too many Linksys routers just randomly fall over on me. Left a bad taste in my mouth. |
| 02:13 | <dwfreed> | Seems the WZR-HP-G300NH has issues with WiFi dropouts |
| 02:13 | * | Daevien leaves that comment alone |
| 02:14 | <praetorian> | heckman: my wrt54gl works like a beast |
| 02:14 | <dwfreed> | I've heard great things about the 54GL's |
| 02:14 | <dwfreed> | They were the inspiration for DD-WRT and the like |
| 02:14 | <Peng> | 802.11n made everything so complicated. Before that, the equation was as simple as "WRT54G". |
| 02:15 | <dwfreed> | Peng: but people want their file transfers to be fast... |
| 02:16 | <Peng> | dwfreed: That's what GigE is for. :D |
| 02:16 | <dwfreed> | Peng: but people don't like wires :) |
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| 02:16 | <dwfreed> | s/people/normal &/ |
| 02:16 | <Defenestrator> | I got an Asus WL500g Premium... kinda like the WRT54G, but slightly beefier hardware. Works nicely with Tomato. |
| 02:17 | <Defenestrator> | Presumably with DD-WRT as well |
| 02:17 | <Peng> | I always find the DD-WRT IPv6 shell scripts somewhat horrifying. |
| 02:18 | <Defenestrator> | I think DD-WRT charges money for the firmware for the Ubiquiti stuff or it'd probably be good |
| 02:20 | <dwfreed> | Peng: I found one that isn't too bad |
| 02:20 | <Peng> | I was just lookin' at http://forums.buffalotech.com/t5/Wireless/WZR-HP-G300NH-and-IPv6/td-p/27632 |
| 02:20 | <Peng> | (a script) |
| 02:21 | <Peng> | Honestly, it's really not *that* scary |
| 02:21 | <Peng> | Most of the yuckiness is in collecting the IPv4 IP. |
| 02:22 | <dwfreed> | That one is rather yucky |
| 02:28 | <dwfreed> | Peng: check out this script: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/467569/ it's not quite as yucky (read all the comments, I've added some of my own) |
| 02:29 | <@heckman> | Why is there no shebang? |
| 02:31 | <@heckman> | I wrote a gnarly BASH script for updating my tunnel broker external IPv4 address. |
| 02:31 | <@heckman> | I actually went a bit too far on it. |
| 02:31 | * | dwfreed thinks it's because it's 1) designed to be a startup script, so is already parsed as a shell script, and 2) DD-WRT runs everything with sh -c, it seems |
| 02:31 | * | dwfreed just failed at grammar |
| 02:33 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: User:Jamesder <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Jamesder&diff=0&oldid=prev> |
| 02:33 | <dwfreed> | I have to run that script manually on boot because my internet connection fails at DHCP and so takes longer to give a lease than DD-WRT waits to obtain one, and so I don't have a connection when it runs as a startup script |
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| 02:34 | <@heckman> | As mentioned earlier I use an old netbook as my IPv6 router. The damn thing boots so fast with SSD the init scripts run before eth0 finishes coming up using static addresses. |
| 02:35 | <@heckman> | It took me a bit to figure out why Radvd was failing at boot after switching to SSD. It was exiting early because it saw no eth0. |
| 02:35 | <dwfreed> | heckman: learn2writeinitscrpts |
| 02:35 | <dwfreed> | s/scr/&i/ |
| 02:35 | <dwfreed> | :) |
| 02:35 | <@heckman> | Nothing that I needed to write. Was because the OS was booting so fast. |
| 02:36 | <dwfreed> | heckman: the init script for radvd should depend on networking, and thus shouldn't be started until the networking script has finished; gentoo does it right, debian should too |
| 02:36 | <Kyhwana> | whoops |
| 02:36 | <@heckman> | Yeah well Debian was finished before networking was up. |
| 02:36 | <Daevien> | heckman: you just plug in a usb nic or something? |
| 02:37 | <Kyhwana> | how far do I have to over my quota to get dinged? (on the 512 plan) |
| 02:37 | <@heckman> | It's my netbook. All on board. |
| 02:37 | <@jed> | mud, moo |
| 02:37 | <dwfreed> | Kyhwana: varies, usually about 10 to 20 GB or so |
| 02:37 | <Daevien> | heckman: oh your router just translates ipv4 to 6? through one nic? |
| 02:37 | <Kyhwana> | dwfreed: hmm, i've gone 4GB over my 200 :P |
| 02:38 | <@heckman> | Yeah, works perfectly. |
| 02:38 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: User talk:Jamesder <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jamesder&diff=4384&oldid=prev> |
| 02:38 | <dwfreed> | Kyhwana: you should be good then; they're likely not going to charge you for $0.60 |
| 02:38 | <Daevien> | heckman: i thought you were saying all of your routing went through ie: ie: one nic to cable/dsl/whatever and one to lan |
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| 02:38 | <@heckman> | No no no. |
| 02:38 | <@heckman> | Also, SPAM |
| 02:39 | <Daevien> | i've got an old netbook here, may dig up a usb nic and use it for my pfsense, free up some resources on my poor dual core server that runs a bunch of stuff |
| 02:40 | <Kyhwana> | plus built in UPS! |
| 02:40 | <Daevien> | netbook has a smashed screen but works otherwise |
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| 02:40 | <@heckman> | Yeah. My netbook actually stayed online the whole time the power was out during Irene. |
| 02:41 | <dwfreed> | Heh |
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| 02:41 | <Daevien> | Kyhwana: i have two laptops running proxmox, built in ups on them. routing goes through the desktop though so that dies at the first glitch :p |
| 02:41 | <dwfreed> | The rest of your network likely didn't, though |
| 02:41 | <@heckman> | Netgear router was kept online by the battery backup. |
| 02:41 | <dwfreed> | Ah |
| 02:41 | <@heckman> | And I had my modem off battery so when power came back I'd get a nagios alert. |
| 02:41 | <@heckman> | :) |
| 02:42 | <dwfreed> | Bleh, nagios |
| 02:42 | * | dwfreed likes Zenoss |
| 02:43 | <@heckman> | Took a bit to get it working as it was my first attempt at Nagios. |
| 02:43 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: User talk:Jamesder <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Jamesder&diff=4385&oldid=prev> |
| 02:43 | <@heckman> | I have a bit of learning to do. |
| 02:43 | <akerl> | SPAM+1 |
| 02:44 | <dwfreed> | stfu, linbot |
| 02:44 | <Daevien> | er, it's a spambot prob from the content |
| 02:44 | <Daevien> | coudl go on for a while :p |
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| 02:52 | <@heckman> | The end result with Nagios is going be fairly trivial. Tell me if power / internet is out at home. :p |
| 02:54 | <dwfreed> | heckman: sounds like Zenoos would be perfect for you, as it requires less set up than Nagios with the same outcome |
| 02:54 | <@jed> | ping would work, too |
| 02:54 | <dwfreed> | heh, yeah |
| 02:54 | <@heckman> | That's the core of the internet being up part. |
| 02:55 | <dwfreed> | heckman: traceroute then |
| 02:55 | <@heckman> | ping is all I need for the internet being up. |
| 02:56 | <@heckman> | Power is going to be snagged from my IPv6 router with the output of ACPI |
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| 03:06 | <Peng> | Somehow one of my SSH connections is working with apparent 60% packet loss... |
| 03:06 | <Peng> | But I can't establish a second connection. :) |
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| 03:12 | <Daevien> | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2011/08/30/bc-foot-found-false-creek.html |
| 03:12 | <Daevien> | whoever has been hiding their bodies out in bc, sucks at hiding feet |
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| 03:16 | <Peng> | My ISP rerouted around the problem. How boring. :P |
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| 03:42 | <akerl> | Argh @ monit's httpd. |
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| 03:47 | <vraa_> | i'm having such a PITA with my other vps provider, i just want to try to reinstall ubuntu, and the only way i can really do this is through emailing them back and forth |
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| 03:48 | <akerl> | vraa_: Seriously? Non-automated deploy would be a deal breaker for me |
| 03:49 | <vraa_> | perhaps i have missed it - it's using parallels openvz? |
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| 03:49 | <vraa_> | linode has many features, its easy to take some of these things for granted |
| 03:50 | <akerl> | Evil monit. You'd think that giving it a start delay before the first service check wouldn't stop the httpd from starting... Especially when it states "Starting httpd" right at startup. |
| 03:51 | <@Praefectus> | vraa_: parallels is vz and plesk, openvz is free vz without the powerpanel |
| 03:53 | <@Praefectus> | so, if they were actually paying for vz instead of using openvz, you would be able to redeploy |
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| 03:53 | <vraa_> | buah! i get ripped off yet again, and they are almost as pricey as my linode 512! |
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| 03:55 | <Daevien> | this is why you stay with linode :p |
| 03:55 | <Daevien> | grass is NOT greener on the other side unless it's well fertilized with BULLSHIT |
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| 03:57 | <vraa_> | ha, well it doesn't hurt to TRY |
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| 03:57 | <Daevien> | can i try ripping your eyebrows out? it's only trying, it doesn't hurt |
| 03:57 | <Daevien> | :) |
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| 04:04 | <Alan> | Haha, well that passed without being noticed... |
| 04:04 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Lish: how to get out? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7656> |
| 04:04 | <Alan> | my first ever > 1-year uptime! |
| 04:04 | <akerl> | Alan: That's bad. |
| 04:04 | <Alan> | 08:04:52 up 412 days, 10:59, 18 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 04:05 | <akerl> | No reboots = no kernel updates |
| 04:05 | <Alan> | akerl: on linode? |
| 04:05 | <Daevien> | no space /ram updates either. |
| 04:05 | <@heckman> | ^ |
| 04:05 | <akerl> | On anything without ksplice or similar |
| 04:05 | <Alan> | well i can't remember how kernels work on linode |
| 04:06 | <Alan> | except they're not managed inside the VPS? |
| 04:06 | <Daevien> | i'm convinced uptime is a stat just to seperate the wannabes from the professionals ;) |
| 04:06 | <akerl> | They're chosen in the linode manager. |
| 04:06 | <Daevien> | managed outside the node, but still need to boot the node to be started |
| 04:06 | <akerl> | But just like any other linux anywhere else, they don't update unless you reboot |
| 04:06 | <Alan> | ah, i see |
| 04:06 | <Alan> | the dashboard says -39, the server says -32 |
| 04:07 | <akerl> | Alan: Paste the full kernel version? |
| 04:07 | <Alan> | my last reboot was during a server OS upgrade(reinstallation) |
| 04:07 | <Alan> | 2.6.32.12-linode25 |
| 04:07 | <Daevien> | god. so the next time you do reboot half your linode could burst into flames. thats the other bad part :p |
| 04:07 | <Alan> | that's from uname |
| 04:08 | <Tea> | Alan: What's your image? |
| 04:08 | <Tea> | I imagine you've installed a kernel update |
| 04:08 | <akerl> | What distro? |
| 04:08 | <akerl> | Tea: Installed? What difference would that make? |
| 04:08 | <Tea> | No wait, you won't have an image... nevermind |
| 04:08 | <Alan> | ubuntu 10.04 LTS, "latest 2.6" kernel |
| 04:08 | <Tea> | Yeah I'm stupid. Xen. Kernel. Images. No. |
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| 04:09 | <akerl> | Alan: Yea, you want to A) make sure you have everything backed up, and the B) Reboot with the latest kernel selected in the manager, followed by C) praying nothing blows up |
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| 04:09 | <Alan> | to be honest, i don't administer this server very much |
| 04:09 | <Daevien> | we noticed :) |
| 04:09 | <Alan> | akerl: I know what you mean about "pray nothing blows up" |
| 04:10 | <akerl> | You've at least been popping on regularly to apt-get update/upgrade, right? |
| 04:10 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 04:10 | <Alan> | if by that you mean "lol, all those services you have running and inter-depending don't actually start properly on boot" |
| 04:10 | <Alan> | akerl: maybe every other month :| |
| 04:10 | <Alan> | i'm just kinda happy that nothing else has caused me to reboot in that time :P |
| 04:10 | <akerl> | So you've been running an accidental honeypot? |
| 04:10 | <Alan> | also, I'd need to go poke my friend who seems to have a 100MB finch process running :| |
| 04:11 | <Alan> | haha :P |
| 04:11 | <Alan> | uh-oh |
| 04:11 | <Alan> | "Security updates (18)" |
| 04:11 | <akerl> | ... This surprises you? |
| 04:11 | * | Daevien cringes |
| 04:11 | <Alan> | ... including openssh-server |
| 04:11 | <Alan> | well crap |
| 04:12 | <Daevien> | like we said, backup your shit before you reboot |
| 04:12 | <Alan> | and libc |
| 04:12 | <Daevien> | your linode may self combust on reboot |
| 04:12 | <akerl> | Security is a journey, not a destination |
| 04:12 | <Alan> | it's not going to combust that badly :| |
| 04:12 | <Alan> | akerl: indeed |
| 04:12 | <Daevien> | you hope anyway |
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| 04:14 | <Bartzy> | Hi |
| 04:14 | <Bartzy> | anyone is using flipper here with linodes ? |
| 04:15 | <Bartzy> | I'm trying to "inform" all my linodes on the private network that an internal private IP address changed linodes (and hence MAC address) via arping. |
| 04:15 | <Bartzy> | But for some reason it takes a lot of time for the other linodes to "understand" that it has changed, and until then the old MAC is in the arp cache and there's no communication... |
| 04:16 | <Bartzy> | Linode's network is blocking broadcasts on the private network or something ? |
| 04:18 | <Daevien> | gee really? no idea why they'd do that *rolls eyes* |
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| 04:19 | <dcraig> | what's up with the hard questions |
| 04:19 | <dcraig> | can't someone ask something about why their dns doesn't work? |
| 04:19 | <vraa_> | what's the highest number of linodes someone is managing |
| 04:19 | <vraa_> | what kinda cool graphs do you have |
| 04:19 | <akerl> | vraa_: Over 9000 |
| 04:19 | <@heckman> | akerl: you beat me to it, damn. |
| 04:19 | <dcraig> | I have 2 |
| 04:20 | <dcraig> | anyone beat that? |
| 04:20 | <AlexC_> | dcraig: pi |
| 04:20 | <akerl> | I average to 2. I run from 1 to 3, depending on how much spare cash and boredom I have. |
| 04:20 | <Daevien> | only half the channel prob dcraig |
| 04:20 | <Daevien> | i have one 768 right now only because i haven't worked in 2 months and thats all i could afford to keep going :p |
| 04:20 | <dcraig> | well fine |
| 04:20 | <dcraig> | but I'm only a hobbyist sysadmin |
| 04:21 | <vraa_> | why dont you downgrade |
| 04:21 | <vraa_> | so you guys dont use linode professionally? what do you use profesionally? |
| 04:21 | <@heckman> | Work at Linode... |
| 04:21 | <Daevien> | vraa_: disk usage mostly |
| 04:21 | <@heckman> | :p |
| 04:21 | <dcraig> | I'm just a poor grad student by day |
| 04:21 | <Daevien> | vraa_: some use it for work, some don't. i don't for work currently cause my work sucks :p |
| 04:22 | <@heckman> | I use my three Linodes for irssi and git... |
| 04:22 | <@heckman> | I should probably get rid of one...or two. |
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| 04:22 | <Daevien> | you can give them to me heckman and keep paying if you want |
| 04:22 | <dcraig> | is there an employee discount? |
| 04:23 | <dwfreed> | heckman: or you could give one of them to me and one of them to Daevien |
| 04:23 | <@heckman> | What would you guys do with 20GB Linodes? |
| 04:23 | <@heckman> | :x |
| 04:23 | <Bartzy> | heckmannnn |
| 04:23 | <Daevien> | heckman: all sorts of stuff |
| 04:23 | <@heckman> | Ye? |
| 04:23 | <Bartzy> | Do you guys block broadcasts on the private network somehow ? |
| 04:23 | <Alan> | the same thing we do with 16GB linodes, only more? |
| 04:23 | <vraa_> | then i could use php prefork? |
| 04:24 | <dwfreed> | heckman: run the root partition from a ramdisk :) |
| 04:24 | <@heckman> | Bartzy: I believe so. Wouldn't be cool to allow arp-based attacks on the private network. |
| 04:24 | <Alan> | speaking of space ... i should probably fix mine |
| 04:24 | <Bartzy> | I try to let my linodes know that an IP has changed hosts on the private network.. so I use arping -U ... but the ARP request doesn't even go through. |
| 04:24 | <Alan> | i'm running my linode in 8GB |
| 04:24 | <Bartzy> | heckman: So how can I "inform" my linodes that an IP has changed ? :[ |
| 04:24 | <akerl> | Bartzy: Tell them directly? |
| 04:24 | <Daevien> | Bartzy: apaprently my sarcastic reponse wasn't good enough. would you really want everyone broadcasting shit in a private subnet? no... |
| 04:24 | <Alan> | because when i reinstalled, the limit was 16GB and I decided to install the new OS on a new disk image and mount the old one in the new one for transferring stuff.. |
| 04:24 | <Bartzy> | I can ask linode to allow my own IPs in the private network to broadcast ? |
| 04:24 | <Bartzy> | akerl: How ? |
| 04:25 | <Bartzy> | akerl: Connect to each one ? It's not feasible and a bad solution when you had 20 servers |
| 04:25 | <Bartzy> | s/had/have |
| 04:25 | <Daevien> | why would your internal ips change? |
| 04:25 | <Kyhwana> | because they ran out! |
| 04:25 | <@heckman> | Wouldn't a simple ping to each one do the needful? (I'm on no sleep, so I could be wrong) |
| 04:25 | <Bartzy> | Daevien: mysql master/master VIP |
| 04:25 | <akerl> | Bartzy: Linode is unlikely to make an exception for you. And thus "pull out my megaphone and shout to the whole DC" is not happening. |
| 04:26 | <akerl> | So you need to find a targetted solution |
| 04:26 | <Bartzy> | heckman: No, because the MAC address of the old interface is still in the arp table of each host. |
| 04:26 | <dwfreed> | Bartzy: flush your ARP tables? |
| 04:26 | <Bartzy> | dwfreed: That means I need to connect to each one of my hosts |
| 04:26 | <akerl> | I'm still not seeing how your mysql replication is causing a single node's private IP to change... |
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| 04:26 | <dwfreed> | Bartzy: just run it as a cron job every hour or so |
| 04:27 | <Bartzy> | How everyone here is doing it ? I'm sure other people need heartbit/mysql/web VIP cluster solution in linode ? |
| 04:27 | <Bartzy> | dwfreed: I need it immediately... |
| 04:27 | <@ericoc> | wait, what's changing constantly? |
| 04:27 | <Daevien> | ericoc: his internal ips apparently |
| 04:27 | <@ericoc> | sorry if i'm late to the game |
| 04:27 | <dwfreed> | like akerl, I'm not sure why your internal ips are changing, Bartzy |
| 04:28 | <akerl> | ericoc: I think he means that he is failing over his servers, and so each node's private IP stays constant, but the node which he wants to connect to is changing |
| 04:28 | <Bartzy> | akerl: I have an IP that's floating between the two masters. Only one master is active at any given time. My application only talks to MySQL through the floating IP. When needed, I can change the |
| 04:28 | <Bartzy> | Isorry |
| 04:28 | <akerl> | Private IPs float? |
| 04:28 | <Bartzy> | When needed, I can swap the active/passive masters, and configure the floating IP on the previously passive (now active) master. Now the app talks to the new active master. |
| 04:29 | <Bartzy> | akerl: Correct. Each node has its own private IP, but I asked linode for an additional private IP to serve as the "floating" IP. |
| 04:30 | <akerl> | I feel like the real solution is to make your other servers HA aware, and have them switch to the 2nd server if the first does not respond. |
| 04:30 | <Bartzy> | I don't want my application to know about the 2 servers. I want it to only talk to 1 IP. That IP has to be configured on one of the masters at any given time. A script connect to the needed master and adds this floating IP to it if I need it to be active. |
| 04:30 | <Bartzy> | akerl: That's a bad idea in my opinion... |
| 04:30 | <Daevien> | akerl: i remember this talk before. he wants it done a certain way and refuses to look at other options |
| 04:30 | <Bartzy> | akerl: And doing this "cluster" thing with the floating IP is much better. |
| 04:30 | <akerl> | Bartzy: "better" in that it doesn't work? |
| 04:30 | <Daevien> | except it doesn't work |
| 04:30 | <Daevien> | ^5 akerl |
| 04:30 | <dwfreed> | Bartzy: just use a DNS name that you change to the regular private IP of the new master, and set the TTL to an insanely low value (you'll need to use your own DNS server as linode's doesn't support TTL's lower than 5 minutes) |
| 04:31 | <@heckman> | People do floating *public* IP addresses...I can't think of any situations offhand whether privs are floated. I could just not be aware of them. |
| 04:31 | <Bartzy> | I don't want the other servers to switch to the 2nd server if the 1st doesn't respond. I want a manual failover. |
| 04:31 | <dwfreed> | Bartzy: use my suggestion then |
| 04:31 | <Bartzy> | Really no one is using flipper here ? |
| 04:31 | <Daevien> | which defeats the whole purpose of having HA if you ahve to be there to do the flip |
| 04:31 | <Bartzy> | It's very common in master/master scenarios :\ |
| 04:32 | <akerl> | Bartzy: Obviously not. |
| 04:32 | <akerl> | dwfreed: Even if linode's DNS allowed lower TTL, I'd still say to run a private ns, to avoid publishing private IPs and info on the public nameserver |
| 04:32 | <Bartzy> | Daevien: Actually most of the gurus in mysql are using a manual failover. automated HA in MySQL is a real pain, and often doesn't work. |
| 04:32 | <akerl> | Bartzy: Link? |
| 04:33 | <Bartzy> | akerl: sec |
| 04:33 | <Daevien> | http://groups.google.com/group/flipper-users |
| 04:33 | <Daevien> | go there and ask? |
| 04:33 | <Bartzy> | http://www.xaprb.com/blog/2011/05/04/whats-wrong-with-mmm/ |
| 04:33 | <Daevien> | i even found the group for you |
| 04:34 | <Bartzy> | akerl: There's no good/working/trusted automated failover system for mysql ATM. |
| 04:34 | * | akerl wonders how long it will take for someone to say postgres |
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| 04:34 | <Daevien> | postgres |
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| 04:34 | <Daevien> | do i win a prize? |
| 04:34 | <Bartzy> | akerl: But you still need the virtual IP and seeing that replication works, locking and some stuff in order to switch to a new active master. That's were flipper comes in. Very handy |
| 04:34 | <akerl> | An internet cookie! |
| 04:34 | <Daevien> | yay |
| 04:35 | <akerl> | s/were/where/ |
| 04:35 | <Bartzy> | yeah, sorry. |
| 04:36 | <akerl> | Bartzy: To sum up: You're not going to be able to broadcast on the private net. Your best bet is to take dwfreed's advice and run private dns for your servers to sync with. |
| 04:37 | <Bartzy> | OK. thanks |
| 04:37 | <Bartzy> | I'll ask another question - anyone here have a HA solution for MySQL on his linodes ? |
| 04:38 | <dwfreed> | Bartzy: there might be something in the Linode Library |
| 04:39 | <dwfreed> | It seems there isn't |
| 04:39 | <akerl> | http://library.linode.com/linux-ha |
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| 04:39 | <akerl> | Ya |
| 04:40 | <vraa_> | what about MMM? |
| 04:42 | <Daevien> | he already dismissed that as an option, read up |
| 04:43 | <Peng> | BTW, Linode's DNS servers support TTLs as low as 0 when being used as slaves. |
| 04:44 | <Peng> | ....Oh, the *resolver* bumps it up to 30 though. |
| 04:45 | <akerl> | Peng: I wouldn't bother slaving their DNS servers when I'm only serving private IPs to my nodes within the DC, thouhg |
| 04:45 | <dcraig> | I think some recursive resolvers don't know what to do with a TTL of 0 |
| 04:45 | <Peng> | dcraig: Linode's recursive resolvers bump it up to 30. |
| 04:45 | <Peng> | ttl0.mattnordhoff.net. AAAA and ttl1.mattnordhoff.net. AAAA if anyone's interested. (No A records.) |
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| 04:46 | <dcraig> | quite a collection of nameservers you've got there |
| 04:47 | <Peng> | Uh-huh. |
| 04:48 | <Peng> | Google and OpenDNS both do 0 and 1. |
| 04:51 | <Peng> | Oh, I also created ttl10, 15, 30 and 60 btw. |
| 04:51 | <Peng> | And I'll probably delete 'em later. |
| 04:52 | <Peng> | (All of them.) |
| 04:53 | <dcraig> | I was going to rely on them for a mission-critical process |
| 04:53 | <dcraig> | now I'm SOL |
| 04:53 | <dcraig> | thx. |
| 04:53 | <Peng> | Sorry. |
| 04:53 | <dwfreed> | Peng: heh, you should make them resolve to localhost :) |
| 04:54 | <Peng> | Meh. |
| 04:54 | <Peng> | What about 0.0.0.0/::? |
| 04:54 | <Peng> | Or the example IPs? :D |
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| 04:56 | <dcraig> | iana.org is registered with godaddy... kinda sad |
| 04:57 | <MrGeneral> | why? |
| 04:57 | <MrGeneral> | godaddy is huge :P |
| 04:57 | <Kyhwana> | they were cheap |
| 04:58 | <dwfreed> | dcraig: so is icann.org |
| 04:58 | <dcraig> | I think they were one of the only registrars to support dnssec for a while |
| 04:59 | <MrGeneral> | yea |
| 04:59 | <MrGeneral> | I need your opinion, should I create a directory called ipv6world.org/wiki or just create a new subdomain wiki.ipv6world.org ? |
| 05:00 | <AlexC_> | subdomain |
| 05:00 | <dcraig> | if there's no technical reason why it needs its own subdomain, I prefer the directory |
| 05:00 | <dcraig> | but it's really a personal preference |
| 05:00 | <MrGeneral> | but then I'd get worse results @ google, no? |
| 05:00 | <MrGeneral> | I mean, using a subdomain |
| 05:00 | <Peng> | !dns6 ttl37.mattnordhoff.net txt |
| 05:00 | <linbot> | Peng: "TTL 37" |
| 05:00 | <Peng> | >.> |
| 05:00 | <dcraig> | why on earth would google care? |
| 05:01 | <AlexC_> | MrGeneral: no |
| 05:01 | <MrGeneral> | meh yeah maybe you're right but... |
| 05:01 | <dwfreed> | Peng: fun with the DNS API? |
| 05:01 | <Peng> | dwfreed: Fun with a Python loop and my zone file. |
| 05:01 | <MrGeneral> | I'll just create a subdomain |
| 05:01 | <Peng> | dcraig: I figure there's always a technical reason: "Maybe I'll have a technical reason in the future." |
| 05:02 | <dcraig> | if google cares about whether your wiki is in a directory or exists as a subdomain, they've lost their way in the world |
| 05:02 | <Peng> | dcraig: It'd be a pain to have to move it and set up a redirect if you ever want to, say, move it to its own node. |
| 05:02 | <dcraig> | that's like a 2-line rewrite rule |
| 05:02 | <dcraig> | done in 5 seconds! |
| 05:03 | <MrGeneral> | Peng: yes that's right though |
| 05:03 | <MrGeneral> | I'll just go for subdomain :P |
| 05:03 | <AlexC_> | dcraig: + time to do the actual move :) |
| 05:03 | <Peng> | dcraig: Yeah, but you might have to fix some hardcoded URL in the wiki configuration, and you'll want to fix all the inbound links, and changing URLs is ugly. |
| 05:03 | <dcraig> | maybe each wiki page should have a subdomain |
| 05:04 | <dcraig> | what if a particular page gets popular? |
| 05:04 | <dwfreed> | And the ability to have a separate access log is an advantage of a subdomain (grep is nice, but access logs can be huge) |
| 05:04 | <AlexC_> | dcraig: in that case you'd give up on subdomains and instead just buy domains that are the content of your wiki page |
| 05:05 | <dcraig> | whatever. enjoy your subdomains. :p |
| 05:05 | <MrGeneral> | dwfreed: yeah |
| 05:05 | <dwfreed> | Now that'd be interesting... |
| 05:05 | <MrGeneral> | I'll just get google analytics and adsense @ the wiki, so... <.< |
| 05:06 | <Peng> | AlexC_: No, then you'd have to buy a TLD to have full control over the DNS in case you'll ever need to do something there. Better to use subdomains. |
| 05:06 | <AlexC_> | Peng: oh that's only a slight inconvienence :P |
| 05:07 | <MrGeneral> | you guys presented valid points <.< |
| 05:07 | <linbot> | New news from forums: [ Poll ] Linode vs. TOR and internet privacy in Customer Testimonials <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7328> |
| 05:07 | <MrGeneral> | I'll just get a subdomain |
| 05:07 | <Daevien> | god, will that freaking topic ever DIE |
| 05:09 | <dwfreed> | Daevien: probably not :) |
| 05:10 | <kenyon> | tor takes up too much memory if you do anything else on a small linode |
| 05:10 | <Musfuut> | I think the topic should get pinned to the top of the forums and be required reading for every member. :3 |
| 05:10 | * | Daevien stabs Musfuut and then hacks him into little bitty pieces for disposal |
| 05:11 | <Musfuut> | I feel so much love right now... |
| 05:14 | <Peng> | In every piece of your body? |
| 05:15 | <Musfuut> | Most pieces, some pieces more than others ;3 |
| 05:16 | <kenyon> | Peng: are you getting on HE's case about letting clock.fmt sit at stratum 2? |
| 05:17 | <Peng> | kenyon: I got on HE's case once, but I didn't *stay* on their case. |
| 05:18 | <dcraig> | what's the issue? |
| 05:18 | <Peng> | dcraig: One of HE's stratum 1 NTP servers is stratum 2. |
| 05:18 | <Peng> | dcraig: Also, one of their *other* stratum 1 NTP servers is totally dead, with its IP pointing to the stratum 2 one. |
| 05:18 | * | Peng /away |
| 05:20 | <kenyon> | I'm going to set up my own stratum 1 server soon for fun |
| 05:20 | <dcraig> | where will it get the time? |
| 05:20 | <dcraig> | gps? |
| 05:20 | <kenyon> | yep |
| 05:21 | <kenyon> | Garmin GPS 18x looks like a good candidate |
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| 05:26 | <Peng> | I've seen a couple other GPS units mentioned on ntp-questions recently, so you might want to do more research before settling on an 18x. |
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| 05:38 | <amitz> | any quick idea how to bashly dump a text filefrom bottom to up one line at a time. |
| 05:40 | <kenyon> | amitz: I guess I'd start with tac |
| 05:41 | <Peng> | I'd do it in Python in less time than it would take to learn the proper bash way. |
| 05:41 | <Peng> | kenyon: Haha, nice. "taC". |
| 05:41 | <Peng> | s/C/c/ |
| 05:41 | <amitz> | existing script is head + tail combined, I'm making something neater :-p |
| 05:42 | <Musfuut> | And I'd do it in ruby in a slightly longer time than Peng because I would be watching tv and spacing out while doing it |
| 05:44 | <dwfreed> | I'd write it in C and it'd take less memory and be faster for insanely large files than any interpreted language |
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| 05:45 | <amitz> | I'd post the problem to amazon turk and have someone do it for me a fraction of cost and time of any of your approach. |
| 05:46 | <@heckman> | I would just decide it's too much effort and skip the whole thing at zero cost with zero time spent. |
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| 05:46 | <Musfuut> | amitz: +5 I was looking for that but couldn't remember the name |
| 05:47 | <amitz> | o/ |
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| 05:50 | <Jippi> | caker: around? |
| 05:53 | <@heckman> | It's 5:52am.... |
| 05:53 | <@heckman> | Sorry, 5:53am |
| 05:53 | <dcraig> | so then he'll be up in 7 min? |
| 05:53 | <@heckman> | Dunno bout that |
| 05:53 | <Jippi> | heckman: okay, hehe, so hes sleeping in today? ;) |
| 05:54 | <Jippi> | heckman: just need to discuss something with him in regarding my deployment at linode :D |
| 05:54 | <@heckman> | I mean. He *should* be here within the next 3-4 hours. |
| 05:54 | <@heckman> | But I mean, depending on the question I (or someone here) may be able to answer it. |
| 05:54 | <Jippi> | I sure would like to avoid it in public as I'm under NDAs :) |
| 05:54 | <@heckman> | Ah. |
| 05:55 | <Jippi> | NDAs is a bitch :( |
| 05:55 | <Jippi> | not that they enforce them strictly, but I think open discussion might be over the top for them haha |
| 05:55 | <Musfuut> | Just tell me in secret and I will promise not to tell, then I will break that promise and tell and then you have nothing to hide any longer and can be relaxed and free. |
| 05:55 | <@heckman> | Indeed. You can PM me and I can try to answer it. |
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| 06:07 | <chesty> | damn, just when i wanted to get smart |
| 06:09 | <brenton1> | hey ppl i was wondering about setting up a cod4 server on my linode, but i need most the files of the cod4 disk. is it ok to download an iso with bittorrent on my linode ? |
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| 06:11 | <internat> | sure |
| 06:11 | <internat> | as long as its legal to do what you want to do |
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| 06:11 | <internat> | if you legally share your own dvd iso via bittorrent and use that as your transfer mechanisim im sure its pefectly acceptable |
| 06:13 | <brenton1> | i was thinking of just downloading any retail cod4 iso from a torrent site, and then using my cod4 product key , coz if i share my dvd from my home computer my upload is only 20KB/s |
| 06:14 | * | heckman is still enraged that valve banned him from MW2 for "cheating" |
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| 06:16 | <internat> | brenton1: if its illegal your not permitted to do it |
| 06:16 | <internat> | you make the judgement call :) |
| 06:17 | <amitz> | ooh, cat vs tac, hahaha[6~ |
| 06:18 | <@heckman> | amitz: a bit late? |
| 06:18 | <amitz> | I just saw the connection :-p |
| 06:19 | <internat> | wow... |
| 06:22 | <marius> | I don't get it |
| 06:22 | <marius> | xD |
| 06:22 | * | heckman slaps marius around a bit with a large cactus |
| 06:23 | <amitz> | tac is the reverse of the word car, tac function is basically the reverse of cat, spouting lines from top to bottom vs from bottom to top. |
| 06:23 | <@heckman> | car? |
| 06:23 | <@heckman> | rac |
| 06:24 | * | amitz slaps heckman with ...something |
| 06:25 | <marius> | Oh I get that cat is tac backwards, I just don't know the context :P |
| 06:25 | <marius> | nvm, I think I get it |
| 06:25 | <marius> | tac'ing a file xD |
| 06:26 | <Bartzy> | anyway to open a TCP port and print to the socket something besides echo "something" | nc hostname 5555 ? |
| 06:26 | <bob2> | why do you want a different way |
| 06:27 | <Bartzy> | Anyway to do it for multiple hosts in one command ? |
| 06:27 | <bob2> | to do what |
| 06:27 | <Bartzy> | to echo something to hostname-01 and hostname-02 in port 5555. |
| 06:27 | <bob2> | for loop |
| 06:28 | <Bartzy> | I need to do it with sudo, I want to enable only one command |
| 06:28 | <AlexC_> | Bartzy: do what with sudo? |
| 06:28 | <Bartzy> | That echo & nc command. Please don't ask why. I'm forced to |
| 06:28 | <Bartzy> | :) |
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| 06:28 | <AlexC_> | Bartzy: you want to run echo through sudo? |
| 06:29 | <bob2> | heh |
| 06:29 | <Bartzy> | it runs automatically through sudo, because that's part of a service I use |
| 06:29 | <bob2> | you're using some iptables uid check? |
| 06:29 | <Bartzy> | no. |
| 06:29 | <Bartzy> | I don't really need it to run as sudo |
| 06:29 | <bob2> | then why does nc need sudo? |
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| 06:29 | <Bartzy> | however it does. I can change it only if I change a 3rd-party service. |
| 06:30 | <Bartzy> | Which I really don't want, so I prefer to just let it run with sudo. But only that. |
| 06:30 | <bob2> | I love questions with secret unexplained constraints! |
| 06:30 | <Alan> | haha |
| 06:30 | <Bartzy> | bob2: I explained it |
| 06:30 | <bob2> | anyway |
| 06:30 | <AlexC_> | Bartzy: so just do a for loop and use sudo on the nc? |
| 06:30 | <bob2> | write a shellscript that does this |
| 06:30 | <Bartzy> | bob2: Good idea, thanks. |
| 06:30 | <Alan> | sounds like he's depending on software from a 3rd-party vendor that simply shouldn't be allowed near a computer |
| 06:31 | <mikegrb_> | mmm cake |
| 06:31 | <AlexC_> | Bartzy: for foo in foo bar car; do echo "cake" | sudo nc cake; done |
| 06:31 | <bob2> | though, spoiler alert, if you're calling some software on nix "3rd party" it's because it iwas written and packaged by morons |
| 06:31 | <Bartzy> | heh |
| 06:31 | <Bartzy> | thanks |
| 06:32 | <@heckman> | Won't that for loop pause until the "nc" command quits? |
| 06:32 | <bob2> | yes |
| 06:32 | <bob2> | unless you put it in the background ha ha |
| 06:32 | <@heckman> | Well yeah |
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| 06:38 | <Bartzy> | thanks everyone. |
| 06:39 | <mitcheljh> | Hi All. I just wanted to thank everyone for the help they gave me yesterday at this time, when I was having issue with my distro booting. You were a lot of help. |
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| 06:58 | <k00pa_> | anybody have tried blitz.io? |
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| 06:59 | <k00pa> | my 512m linode crashed at 47 users, ram/swap full and mysqld crashed |
| 07:00 | <AlexC_> | k00pa: ouch, not good. What are you running? |
| 07:00 | <k00pa> | apache2/mysql5/php5/wordpress |
| 07:01 | <k00pa> | all with default stock settings |
| 07:01 | <AlexC_> | k00pa: mod_php? |
| 07:01 | <k00pa> | I dont run any sites on it, just random files stored |
| 07:01 | <k00pa> | I think so |
| 07:01 | <k00pa> | let me check |
| 07:02 | <k00pa> | AlexC_: yep |
| 07:02 | <k00pa> | not sure if it was apache or mysql that consumed all the memory |
| 07:03 | <Peng> | Probably Apache. |
| 07:03 | <Peng> | Probably because the default MaxClients setting is insanely high for a 512. |
| 07:03 | <k00pa> | kk |
| 07:03 | <k00pa> | but the mysqld did crash |
| 07:05 | <chesty> | the oom killer is a bit random about what it kills |
| 07:07 | <dwfreed> | Well, there is a method to its madness, but it's rather complex |
| 07:08 | <Peng> | Yeah, but it's mad. |
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| 07:09 | <Jippi> | and it rarely works anyway :P |
| 07:10 | <chesty> | read /dev/urandom and kill |
| 07:10 | <chesty> | KILL |
| 07:10 | <pkiller> | ls |
| 07:11 | <Peng> | chesty: Except if there's so little RAM you *can't* read /dev/urandom. Then just panic. |
| 07:11 | * | pkiller thinks irssi is a comand line :P |
| 07:11 | <internat> | oh i thought it read /dev/urandom to work out the likelyhood that it was going to panic! |
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| 07:26 | <amitz> | bash should be replaced with python. |
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| 07:28 | <dwfreed> | s/(bash)(.*)(python)\./$3$2$1./ |
| 07:29 | <AlexC_> | Bash++ |
| 07:29 | <AlexC_> | amitz: but why do you say so? |
| 07:30 | <dwfreed> | Just about anything you can do in python, I can (if I tried) do in bash + the utilities that come with *every* Linux distribution |
| 07:30 | <chesty> | can you open a tcp socket? |
| 07:31 | <AlexC_> | dwfreed: quite a bold statement :P |
| 07:31 | <rnowak> | considering you need external programs for most things, it is |
| 07:32 | <AlexC_> | good luck doing floating point maths in just Bash |
| 07:32 | <dwfreed> | AlexC_: operate on the number in hexadeciaml notation |
| 07:32 | <@heckman> | pipe it to the "bc" command |
| 07:32 | <AlexC_> | heckman: just Bash :) |
| 07:33 | <@heckman> | That isn't the design of BASH scripts |
| 07:33 | <rnowak> | 2bad |
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| 07:34 | <dwfreed> | if I expand that to the list of utilities that are on all the popular distro's package lists, I can do everything |
| 07:34 | <amitz> | I hate it that I suck at trolling unless by accident :-p |
| 07:35 | <AlexC_> | dwfreed: well, of course, but that's not Bash |
| 07:35 | <AlexC_> | that's Bash + what ever you're using, e.g. perl |
| 07:35 | <amitz> | but seriously, I thought bash stays due to legacy? |
| 07:35 | <AlexC_> | eh? |
| 07:35 | <dwfreed> | AlexC_: I never said that I'd be using just bash, but I won't be using any other scripting language |
| 07:36 | <chesty> | no awk? |
| 07:36 | <amitz> | I mean, if people have to start from zero, will they really design bash like... tgat? |
| 07:36 | <AlexC_> | dwfreed: well this is all moot :P |
| 07:36 | <amitz> | s/have/can/ |
| 07:36 | <AlexC_> | amitz: what's wrong with Bash? |
| 07:37 | <rnowak> | amitz: if we have to start from zero, we'll probably not get lucky this time around and learn how to make fire, and just all die |
| 07:37 | <amitz> | AlexC_: nothing specifically really wrong, but if you have python, why not just use it instead of bash like language? |
| 07:38 | <amitz> | rnowak: and amitz may be worshipped! |
| 07:38 | <rnowak> | you'd be the first to go |
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| 07:39 | <amitz> | I find the construct of the language to be.... unnecessarily complicated? macro replacement, the ' vs ` vs {} vs (). space sensitivity (as the consequence of macro(? I don't know the modern term for this) replacement) |
| 07:40 | <AlexC_> | amitz: all of those do different things ... |
| 07:41 | <AlexC_> | maybe I'm biased because I code it a lot, but I prefer coding in Bash to Python for those tasks |
| 07:41 | <amitz> | the point is, do we really need to make up those things? You can probably do the same thing with python with less complication. |
| 07:41 | <amitz> | less complicated building blocks |
| 07:41 | <AlexC_> | amitz: but those things are made up in Python, a long with a hell of a lot more |
| 07:43 | <amitz> | AlexC_: but simpler, the concepts python used. Nevertheless, I still haven't grasped the whole language yet -_- |
| 07:43 | <amitz> | of python |
| 07:44 | <amitz> | so fwiw, this is a noob view of bash. |
| 07:46 | <AlexC_> | amitz: you can't bash Bash with litle experiance of Bash :P |
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| 07:48 | * | rnowak facebash |
| 07:48 | <amitz> | well, that's enough bash-ing for me today ;-) |
| 07:48 | <amitz> | s/that/this/ |
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| 07:52 | <chesty> | http://animalsbeingdicks.com/post/9587176208/hang-in-there <- SpaceHobo (on the top) |
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| 07:57 | <worries> | Hello I am woundring if red5 server works well on Linode 1024 plan |
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| 07:58 | <worries> | Pease can anyone asnwer me |
| 07:59 | <worries> | Red5 server works well on linode? |
| 08:00 | <AlexC_> | worries: if it runs nicely on the Linux distro you want, then yes |
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| 08:03 | <AlexC_> | worries: please do not PM me |
| 08:03 | <worries> | that is pm? |
| 08:03 | <AlexC_> | yes |
| 08:03 | <worries> | i clicked on your name to show it near to my post |
| 08:03 | <worries> | sorry |
| 08:04 | <worries> | thanks for answering,do you advise any distro for red5? |
| 08:04 | <AlexC_> | worries: the distro that you know is going to be the best for you |
| 08:05 | <AlexC_> | if you don't know any, then Debian |
| 08:05 | <rnowak> | !debian |
| 08:05 | <linbot> | Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/ |
| 08:05 | <worries> | okay i'll look for it |
| 08:05 | <worries> | hank you |
| 08:06 | <worries> | thank you |
| 08:06 | <HoopyCat> | Today is Pungenday, the 24th day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3177 |
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| 08:10 | <AlexC_> | Today for me is "why do I always end up working with developers that drive me crazy?" |
| 08:11 | <AlexC_> | those that in JavaScript like to do: if(!!!foo) { ... } |
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| 08:12 | <AlexC_> | for each unnecessary ! they should loose a finger |
| 08:13 | <rnowak> | sweet |
| 08:13 | <Tea> | Today for me is Wednesday |
| 08:13 | <AlexC_> | all day? |
| 08:13 | <Tea> | All day erry day |
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| 08:15 | * | AlexC_ has a maximum of 4months left and then I'm waving this industry good bye \0/ |
| 08:15 | <@heckman> | Oh, leaving agriculture? |
| 08:15 | <Tea> | What are you doing instead? |
| 08:15 | <@heckman> | Gonna become one of them there fancy city slickers? |
| 08:16 | <Tea> | Tired of bindlestiffin' |
| 08:16 | <AlexC_> | Ha no, no city slickers. I'm going to get my head stuck in the clouds and take my PPL further and chase a career in aviation |
| 08:17 | <amitz> | AlexC_: oh waht industry perviously? |
| 08:17 | <AlexC_> | amitz: web application development |
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| 08:17 | <@heckman> | Mash the two. Develop while in the skies. |
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| 08:18 | <AlexC_> | heckman: I intend to, once I finish here I'll be going back to a bit of freelance to keep funds up |
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| 08:25 | <HoopyCat> | don't try to fly and code at the same time |
| 08:25 | <linbot> | New news from forums: tomcat 6 help in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7661> |
| 08:27 | <HoopyCat> | tried that while driving once, and when i woke up at the hospital a few days later, there were random comments about speed traps all over the place and it ended with exit 46; |
| 08:28 | <AlexC_> | hah :P |
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| 08:38 | <Eriks> | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2945223 |
| 08:38 | <Eriks> | :) |
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| 08:40 | <HoopyCat> | Eriks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrFpqmgv2DY is the author of that pamphlet |
| 08:41 | <HoopyCat> | Eriks: if you've got 15 minutes and need a nap |
| 08:41 | <Eriks> | HoopyCat: now watching that video :) |
| 08:41 | <amitz> | Eriks: haha |
| 08:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: IPv6 in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=2978> |
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| 08:47 | <amitz> | any pretty textbased realtime bandwidth viewerthan ethstatus? It eats crazy amount of resource -_- |
| 08:48 | <AviMarcus> | really? |
| 08:48 | <AviMarcus> | iftop, uhm.. |
| 08:48 | <amitz> | unlike its twim pppstatus . let see iftop |
| 08:48 | <amitz> | s/twin/twin/ |
| 08:49 | <AviMarcus> | there's another, but I can't remember the name. iftop is nice and easy. |
| 08:49 | <Peng> | I have tcpdump running in bash in screen. I accidentally fat-finger the scroll wheel, which inputs a bunch of crap, and suddenly I'm unable to type anything into that window. Not even Ctrl+C. Help? |
| 08:49 | <amitz> | AviMarcus: it eats around 60% on my computer, where as pppstatues only eats around 0-1%. |
| 08:49 | * | Nivex huzzahs at that last forum post on IPv6 |
| 08:50 | <AviMarcus> | what's wrong with pppstatus? |
| 08:50 | <AviMarcus> | oh, ppp only I guess. |
| 08:50 | <HoopyCat> | i use something called 'vnstat' on my netbook to keep an eye on my 3G usage |
| 08:50 | <HoopyCat> | also keeps track of other interfaces |
| 08:50 | <amitz> | okay, let see vnstat and iftop |
| 08:51 | <AviMarcus> | I got a nice thing in my dock on ubuntu desktop for network stuff. |
| 08:51 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: http://p.linode.com/5734 |
| 08:51 | <AviMarcus> | an applet called netspeed |
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| 08:53 | <amitz> | iftop requires root. vnstat seems to require extra permission to make the initial database hmmm |
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| 08:54 | <Peng> | ...This is actually the second time it's happened. |
| 08:54 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: ctrl-a ctrl-q ? |
| 08:54 | <amitz> | Peng: I wish I can help you one day... most of your questions are beyond me ;-) |
| 08:54 | <Peng> | HoopyCat: What's that do? |
| 08:55 | <StevenK> | Peng: Ctrl-S == STOP |
| 08:55 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: i believe it can properly work as a normal user |
| 08:55 | <StevenK> | Peng: Ctrl-Q == GO |
| 08:55 | <StevenK> | Peng: Add Ctrl-A if you're in screen, otherwise screen eats it |
| 08:55 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: it's like a normal ctrl-q (XON), but sent to screen |
| 08:55 | <Peng> | I don't know what a normal Ctrl+Q is either. In any case, it didn't help. |
| 08:56 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: sudo reboot |
| 08:56 | <StevenK> | Haha |
| 08:56 | <Alan> | om nom control characters |
| 08:56 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_flow_control ... it's how we do it when we only have three wires |
| 08:57 | <Peng> | I got impatient and did Ctrl+A k (kill the window). |
| 08:57 | <Peng> | Which interestingly preserved shell history, so apparently it wasn't a kill -9. |
| 08:57 | <praetorian> | theres your problem |
| 08:57 | <praetorian> | you are using screen.. switch to tmux |
| 08:58 | <praetorian> | but i agree with what StevenK said |
| 08:58 | <praetorian> | ive done ctrl s instead of ctrl a many times |
| 08:58 | <Peng> | ...Less positively, I had opened that shell when my HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE were shorter... Ah well. |
| 08:58 | <Peng> | praetorian: This was specifically from accidentally using the scroll wheel, not accidentally hitting Ctrl+S. |
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| 08:59 | * | praetorian nods |
| 08:59 | * | snubby flatulates to indicate his presence |
| 08:59 | <StevenK> | Peng: If that shell did not have a running process -- blind-type reset <enter> stty sane <enter> |
| 09:00 | <HoopyCat> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Teletype_with_papertape_punch_and_reader.jpg <--- ^Q and ^S weren't arbitrary choices; they happened to make perfect sense for the hardware they were first used with |
| 09:00 | <Peng> | StevenK: It did have a running process |
| 09:00 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: gratuitous mouse events contain a range of control characters |
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| 09:01 | <Peng> | I've only ever seen ^[[A and ^[[B. |
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| 09:02 | <Peng> | OTOH, *those* never break anything. When it breaks I see a bunch of that, as usual, and then...nothing. |
| 09:02 | <amitz> | gah, don't like the mechanism of vnstat. Any other idea? |
| 09:03 | <chesty> | tatsnv |
| 09:04 | * | Peng /away (not automated!) |
| 09:04 | <rnowak> | you're doing it wrong, need to /nick |
| 09:05 | * | praetorian kills peng |
| 09:06 | <amitz> | chesty: you got me for hmm..less than 5 seconds! |
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| 09:12 | <chesty> | amitz: 5 seconds can be an eternity if used right |
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| 09:28 | <Pupeno_> | Can a user unsubscribe from the email alerts? |
| 09:28 | <boba> | you can disable them in linode manager, yes |
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| 09:30 | <Pupeno_> | boba: you mean in a linode? |
| 09:30 | <amitz> | Pupeno_: yes. |
| 09:30 | <amitz> | I meant, linode manager, the website to manage your linode instance. |
| 09:30 | <Pupeno_> | amitz: but then it's disabled for all users, not just one. |
| 09:30 | <amitz> | Pupeno_^ |
| 09:31 | <amitz> | oh, what kind of email alerts are we talking about? |
| 09:32 | <Pupeno_> | cpu usage, disk io rate, etc. |
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| 09:35 | <HoopyCat> | Pupeno_: i think there is a permissions flag that affects it... *looks* |
| 09:37 | <HoopyCat> | Pupeno_: hmm, nothing looks obvious. however, i do have a couple users with only the "Can add Linodes to this Account ($)" global grant, which don't get the alerts |
| 09:39 | <HoopyCat> | i did, however, find the whitelist edit page, which is going to make life with RFC 4941 much better |
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| 09:41 | * | HoopyCat . o O ( wow, been awhile since i've had 67.18.176.x ... li9-xxx.members.linode.com?!!! ) |
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| 09:42 | <hawk> | HoopyCat: Yeah, I was a little confused by that page at first, but apparently the netmask field also eats prefix lengths |
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| 09:44 | <amitz> | for the beneift of others, nload is nice |
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| 09:54 | <HoopyCat> | hawk: (whoever says IPv6 is harder than IPv4 has obviously never tried to configure a new /21 on a router without a CIDR cheatsheet) |
| 09:55 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 10:02 | <tsmart> | thank you Linode! |
| 10:02 | <tsmart> | thanks to your help yesterday I got RHEL up and running on linode |
| 10:02 | <tsmart> | using pv-grub + dd |
| 10:03 | <tsmart> | I was missing an initrd transition space before |
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| 10:03 | <tsmart> | also no need to set hvc0 in RHEL 6 |
| 10:03 | <tsmart> | and no need to delete the p70-persistentr rules.net |
| 10:03 | <tsmart> | or delete the eth0 rules |
| 10:03 | <tsmart> | it all just works |
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| 10:04 | <Pryon> | tsmart: you're going to write up the process, right? :-) |
| 10:04 | <tsmart> | after you do MAKEDEV in the chrooted environment |
| 10:04 | <tsmart> | Pryon, would you like to read it? |
| 10:04 | <tsmart> | sure I can write it up |
| 10:04 | <tsmart> | I'll put it on my blog: neruval.wordpress.com |
| 10:05 | <Pryon> | Well, I was only mostly joking. It's unlikely that I'd run RHEL, but if it translates to centos, then I might be interested. |
| 10:05 | <tsmart> | Pryon, sure |
| 10:05 | <tsmart> | yeah now SELinux is enabled :) |
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| 10:06 | <HoopyCat> | http://library.linode.com/contribute might be cool, too, but i usually self-host my particularly esoteric HOWTOs 'cuz i figure they aren't library-worthy :-) |
| 10:14 | <tsmart> | HoopyCat, yeah |
| 10:14 | <tsmart> | except in this case the library.linode article was wrong about a lot of things |
| 10:14 | <tsmart> | the start was fine |
| 10:14 | <tsmart> | the DD command is good |
| 10:15 | <tsmart> | but a lot of the config just didn't apply for RHEL |
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| 10:16 | <@Perihelion> | If you guys have something interesting it probably *is* Library worthy fwiw |
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| 10:19 | <HoopyCat> | and for what it's worth, i dig RHEL... it's CentOS i {% meme lookofdisapproval %} at |
| 10:19 | * | HoopyCat tips over kerosene |
| 10:20 | <praetorian> | Perihelion: i have some pictures of some cats |
| 10:20 | <@Perihelion> | I accept |
| 10:21 | <Obsidian|server> | Perihelion: how about this? http://i55.tinypic.com/121q4p5.jpg |
| 10:21 | <@Perihelion> | o_o |
| 10:21 | * | Obsidian|server loves facestabbing scouts :> |
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| 10:22 | <Obsidian|server> | Perihelion: do you disagree with facestabs over backstabs |
| 10:22 | <Peng> | Obsidian|server: I don't know, can you get the copyright owner to sign an assignment? |
| 10:22 | <Peng> | (Why the assignment? I'd rather just licence it.) |
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| 10:23 | * | Obsidian|server blinks |
| 10:24 | <Peng> | Oh, weren't you suggesting that image for the library? |
| 10:24 | <Obsidian|server> | well peri said *something* interesting |
| 10:24 | <Obsidian|server> | didn't say anything about licensing or anything P: |
| 10:24 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: turns into a maintenance/editorial PITA |
| 10:25 | <Peng> | HoopyCat: Only for relicensing. |
| 10:25 | <Peng> | HoopyCat: All you have to do is get it right the first time. :D |
| 10:26 | <HoopyCat> | Peng: even masterpieces like http://library.linode.com/communications/voip-services become obsolete :-) |
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| 10:41 | <robjensen82> | thinking about getting a linode vps, is there an smtp service available? |
| 10:42 | <amitz> | you can install one if you choose so. You're basically given a "computer" to do as you see vfit. |
| 10:43 | <robjensen82> | amitz: ok thanks for that |
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| 10:44 | <AlexC_> | robjensen82: you want to just send email from your Linode? |
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| 10:45 | <robjensen82> | alexc_: yeah, I want to use gmail to receive, but i don't really want to set up my own mail server |
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| 10:45 | <AlexC_> | robjensen82: http://library.linode.com/email/exim |
| 10:46 | <AlexC_> | this will let your scripts send email to the not very well known "Internet" |
| 10:47 | <robjensen82> | alexc_: thanks I'll take a look |
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| 10:47 | <@Perihelion> | HoopyCat: Yeah I should probably update that... |
| 10:48 | <@Perihelion> | I test it every now and then because I expect it to break |
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| 10:58 | <orudie> | hmm, all the sudden authentication with ssh key stopped working for my sftp account where shell/bash is disabled |
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| 11:02 | <orudie> | anything I could check ? |
| 11:02 | <AlexC_> | orudie: /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:02 | <straterra> | You need a valid shell for sftp, I think |
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| 11:04 | <brocktice> | hi all, has anyone tried running zeroshell on linode? |
| 11:04 | <orudie> | AlexC_, auth.log is silent when I try to connect |
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| 11:06 | <AlexC_> | orudie: that doesn't seem right. Connect with -v and see what you get clientside |
| 11:09 | <brocktice> | I should be able to do it using this, right? http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/custom-instances/custom-distro-howto |
| 11:10 | <AlexC_> | brocktice: afaik, yes |
| 11:11 | <brocktice> | I want to bond multiple DSL lines with zeroshell and I need a remote connection for the other end of the VPN, I'm thinking of using a linode |
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| 11:13 | <Peng> | Does ZeroShell support Xen? |
| 11:14 | <brocktice> | hm, not sure, never used it before, I'll have to look into it |
| 11:15 | <Peng> | Actually, it might be possible to run ZeroShell with Linode's kernel... |
| 11:16 | <Guspaz> | ZeroShell is a bit more... embedded than you'd normally run on a linode. |
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| 11:16 | <brocktice> | I'm looking at following my wife's job to rural new mexico and the dsl available there is pathetic |
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| 11:16 | <brocktice> | I need something faster to be able to do my job, so I'm exploring even unorthodox solutions |
| 11:17 | <Guspaz> | ZeroShell does support VPN bonding, although a few years ago an ISP who was trying to use it complained that it didn't work well and paid us to port MLPPP support to ZeroShell. |
| 11:18 | <Guspaz> | Of course, that does you no good if your ISP doesn't support MLPPP, and if they do, there are better solutions than ZeroShell. |
| 11:18 | <brocktice> | getting info out of my potential isp has been like pulling teeth |
| 11:18 | <brocktice> | Now I'm starting to see what people are concerned about w.r.t. rural broadband access |
| 11:19 | <orudie> | AlexC_, Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey) Error: Could not connect to server |
| 11:19 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Postfix selectively blocking countries? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7662> |
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| 11:24 | <orudie> | AlexC_, straterra just went back to the older version of FTP client FileZilla and it worked, so its a bug in latest filezilla which is 3.5.1 which I think doesn't communicate with pageant.exe |
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| 11:30 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Domain Registrars in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7655> |
| 11:30 | <@jed> | mud but what is moo? |
| 11:31 | <Guspaz> | apricot but what is context? |
| 11:32 | <Peng> | The context is that jed seems to be stuck in an infinite loop. |
| 11:32 | <@Perihelion> | How I cabbage for octopus! |
| 11:32 | <Guspaz> | Life is just one big infinite loop, and then we get CTRL-C'd |
| 11:33 | <hawk> | oh noes |
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| 11:38 | <Peng> | Guspaz: So the secret of immortality is to eat SIGINT? |
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| 11:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 11:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Rails Setup in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7333> |
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| 11:53 | <Bartzy> | There's a cache in the DNS client in linux? |
| 11:55 | <Peng> | Bartzy: No? |
| 11:55 | <millisami> | anyone from the api dev group? |
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| 11:55 | <Peng> | Bartzy: dnsmasq is one apt-get install away, though. |
| 11:55 | <Bartzy> | Peng: Every request goes to the DNS ? |
| 11:55 | <Peng> | Bartzy: Yes. |
| 11:56 | <Peng> | Bartzy: Obviously software can implement internal DNS caches. |
| 11:56 | <Peng> | Bartzy: (can and does) |
| 11:56 | <Bartzy> | Peng: MySQL does that ? |
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| 11:56 | <Peng> | Bartzy: I have no idea. Why do you ask? |
| 11:56 | <WormFood> | when I have connectivity issues, it is suggested I get an mtr report from my machine to my linode, and another report for the return trip....however I get so many packets lost, I can't even login to my server...can't login to the lish console either. What the hell am I supposed to do? |
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| 11:56 | <Bartzy> | because for some reason mysql keeps insisting that I connect from a certain hostname, and I really changed it. |
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| 11:58 | <Guspaz> | WormFood: Call your ISP and complain? If you can't even login to lish, the problem is on your end. |
| 11:59 | <linbot> | New news from forums: CentOS 5 EOS? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7663> |
| 11:59 | <WormFood> | Guspaz, why don't you complain to them, since you seem to know so much that the problem is on my end. |
| 11:59 | <WormFood> | how do you know the problem is on my end? |
| 11:59 | <Guspaz> | Well, if you have packetloss to Linode when nobody else does, that narrows it down somewhat. |
| 12:00 | <WormFood> | right, and when my friend in anther part of the world also has packet loss, it is clearly on my end...you are so smart. |
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| 12:01 | <Guspaz> | Right, and you didn't provide that information. I'd suggest getting an mtr report from both you and your friend and submitting that to linode. If it's a routing issue affecting both of you, then it may be a problem with one of Linode's upstream providers. |
| 12:01 | <WormFood> | actually, I wasn't looking to point fingers, I was simply looking to get my report for the return trip. |
| 12:01 | <Guspaz> | There's an mtr command here that might help with that. |
| 12:01 | <Guspaz> | !mtr |
| 12:01 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 12:02 | <WormFood> | however, you seem so quick to jump in there, and point fingers, like you know what exactly is going on, and I haven't even given any technical details. |
| 12:02 | <Guspaz> | !mtr-newark guspaz.ath.cx |
| 12:02 | <linbot> | Guspaz: [mtr] guspaz.ath.cx: 9 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 30.9ms |
| 12:02 | <Guspaz> | Something like that, you should be able to get an mtr report from one of linode's DCs back to you. |
| 12:02 | <WormFood> | I see what you mean |
| 12:02 | <Guspaz> | Although details might have been nice. |
| 12:02 | <WormFood> | let me give it a try |
| 12:02 | <Guspaz> | details from MTR, I mean, not you. |
| 12:02 | <Guspaz> | rather than just a summary. |
| 12:03 | <WormFood> | I wasn't looking to trouble shoot the ping loss...I just wanted to see if it was taking the same path back....actually, I know where the problem is |
| 12:03 | <WormFood> | !mtr-fremont 124.14.214.91 |
| 12:03 | <Guspaz> | Yeah, mtr would normally do that, but the linbot version seems to only provide a summary. |
| 12:03 | <WormFood> | right |
| 12:03 | <linbot> | WormFood: [mtr] 124.14.214.91: 11 hops, 219.158.25.25: 40.0%/261.3ms, 219.158.3.197: 60.0%/271.1ms, 219.158.12.17: 40.0%/271.1ms, 219.158.19.78: 40.0%/262.5ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 120.80.198.218: 80.0%/291.1ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms (urmom) |
| 12:03 | <WormFood> | nice, eh? |
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| 12:04 | <WormFood> | !mtr-newark 124.14.214.91 |
| 12:04 | <rnowak> | http://revip.info/#multimtr |
| 12:04 | <Guspaz> | Ah, looks like it might be giving you the lossy hops on the return path. |
| 12:04 | <linbot> | WormFood: [mtr] 124.14.214.91: 20 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 124.14.214.91: 20.0%/255.6ms |
| 12:04 | <WormFood> | it is giving me nearly 70% packet loss both ways |
| 12:04 | <Peng> | WormFood: For what it's worth, since the mtr bot can be hard to read, you can probably find someone here to run an mtr from a node and pastebin it. |
| 12:04 | <WormFood> | or so it appears to also have a similar amount of packet loss on the return trip |
| 12:04 | <Guspaz> | I can do an mtr for you from newark, but not fremont. |
| 12:05 | <WormFood> | !mtr-london 124.14.214.91 |
| 12:05 | <linbot> | WormFood: timed out |
| 12:05 | <WormFood> | my linode is in fremont, and I see that the newark NOC is also generating packet loss. |
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| 12:05 | <Milli> | anyone from the api dev group support? |
| 12:05 | <Guspaz> | As far as I know, each datacenter has completely different upstream providers. |
| 12:05 | <WormFood> | fuuuuck! London was the 2nd fastest NOC I tested :( |
| 12:06 | <WormFood> | !mtr-london 124.14.214.91 |
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| 12:06 | <linbot> | WormFood: [mtr] 124.14.214.91: 27 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 85.90.238.45: 80.0%/0.9ms, 219.158.4.241: 20.0%/437.9ms, 219.158.19.70: 20.0%/439.3ms, 120.80.0.178: 20.0%/448.4ms, 120.80.198.218: 25.0%/437.7ms, sym.gdsz.cncnet.net: 25.0%/442.1ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 124.14.214.91: 33.3%/429.7ms (urmom) |
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| 12:07 | <WormFood> | from what I understand, the upstream provider my ISP is using, has shit peering agreements with the rest of the world. |
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| 12:08 | <Guspaz> | I'll PM you an MTR report from newark. |
| 12:08 | <WormFood> | thanks Guspaz |
| 12:08 | <Guspaz> | http://p.linode.com/5735 |
| 12:09 | <Guspaz> | Looks like it's wrapping there, sorry about that. |
| 12:09 | <WormFood> | I've left mtr running for days, and it seems over the long term the average packet loss is under 10%...but some times, like now, it is about 70% (I have 2 MTRs running to my 2 IPs...one is at about 71% loss, and the other is about 66-67% loss) |
| 12:09 | <Guspaz> | The problem seems to be somewhere between sym.gdsz.cncnet.net and your final IP (there are some hidden hops there). You've got zero packetloss right up until that sym address. |
| 12:10 | <Guspaz> | Ignore the chinanetcom address, since an intermediate host with packetloss that has no packetloss after that is probably just deprioritizing pings or something. |
| 12:10 | <WormFood> | hhhmmm....interesting |
| 12:10 | <Guspaz> | Although hmm it only took 10 samples per address. |
| 12:10 | <WormFood> | the ones that won't resolve, are 10.xxxx addresses....yeah, I have a shit isp |
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| 12:11 | <WormFood> | so perhaps my pings are actually getting there, but no response |
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| 12:11 | <Guspaz> | Running mtr ongoing, I'm only seeing packetloss to the last hop, and not that much to it (lost one ping out of 48 so far) |
| 12:11 | <WormFood> | because that looks exactly like my report, but in reverse |
| 12:12 | <Guspaz> | Wait, no, I'm misreading that, it lost more than one. |
| 12:13 | <Guspaz> | Do you only have packetloss to linode, or to everything? It's hard to tell with those missing hops, but it almost looks like the problem is the last mile. |
| 12:13 | <WormFood> | http://p.linode.com/5736 |
| 12:13 | <Guspaz> | No packetloss to the last host I can see, and then some packetloss on the last host period (you). |
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| 12:14 | <WormFood> | well, from my point of view, the problem looks like it is the last mile to my linode |
| 12:14 | <WormFood> | take a look at my paste |
| 12:14 | <Guspaz> | You're getting 35% packetloss to your home router... |
| 12:14 | <WormFood> | yeah, I just noticed that. |
| 12:14 | <Peng> | WiFi? |
| 12:15 | <Guspaz> | It'd have to be a pretty bad wifi signal to get 35% packetloss :P |
| 12:15 | <WormFood> | no, actually it is wired |
| 12:15 | <WormFood> | it appears that someone is trying to syn flood me...perhaps that packet loss is related to that. |
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| 12:15 | <WormFood> | but the load on my router is almost nil |
| 12:16 | <WormFood> | load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 12:16 | <Guspaz> | bad ethernet cable? |
| 12:16 | <WormFood> | shouldn't be |
| 12:17 | <Milli> | Ain't here any support guy from the api dev team or nodebalancer? |
| 12:19 | <Peng> | Milli: Apparently not. |
| 12:19 | <Peng> | Milli: What's up? You might want to post on the forum, or, if it's more immediate, file a ticket. |
| 12:19 | <Guspaz> | There are, since three quarters of all Linode employees are here, but a ticket is more likely to get a definite response. |
| 12:20 | <Peng> | Well, yes, here, but not here *right now*. |
| 12:20 | <Guspaz> | caker is always here. He doesn't sleep. |
| 12:21 | <WormFood> | this is rather curious...when I do an MTR to my router, I get zero packet loss....but when it is in the middle, it gets much more...one MTR is showing 50% packet loss to my router. I wonder if it is doing something goofy (but I'm pretty sure it isn't the root of this particular problem) |
| 12:22 | <WormFood> | 496 packets transmitted, 150 received, 69% packet loss, time 495000ms <-- from my server back to my house |
| 12:22 | <WormFood> | usually "69" is good...but not in this case |
| 12:22 | <Guspaz> | heh |
| 12:23 | <Guspaz> | I'm stumped, my only suggestion would be perhaps a trouble ticket if the problem is isolated to linode. The fact that it affects more than one Linode datacenter indicates a more widespread problem, though, since each datacenter has different upstream providers with no particular relation to eachother. |
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| 12:25 | <WormFood> | the problem is between chinaunicom/chinatelecom/chinawhoever and the rest of the world. Someone was saying they wanted to have face-to-face meetings for their peering agreements...and who the hell wants to fly to China for that? |
| 12:26 | <Guspaz> | I mean, to dallas I go through Level3, to newark I go through NAC, to fremont I go through HE, to atlanta I go through nlayer, to london I go through pccwbtn... |
| 12:27 | <Guspaz> | Well, in the case of chinatelecom I had heard that they saturated their uplinks to the rest of the world and just don't give a shit about getting sufficient capacity. |
| 12:27 | <WormFood> | right, but the problem seems to be in China |
| 12:27 | <WormFood> | but sometimes, my friend in Indonesia also has problem....but I don't think she is having problems right this instant. |
| 12:28 | <Guspaz> | It may be a totally unrelated issue that sometimes occurs at the same time |
| 12:28 | <WormFood> | when she had problems, I was able to get her to connect to my other IP, and it was able to work that way |
| 12:28 | <WormFood> | it is hard to say for sure. There seems to be common problems sometimes |
| 12:28 | <WormFood> | I think most of the time we have different problems |
| 12:29 | <WormFood> | obviously it is rather frustrating |
| 12:29 | <Guspaz> | Indonesia is relatively close to china, are you sure her ISP isn't buying transit from chinatelecom or something? :P |
| 12:29 | <WormFood> | the problem is, my girlfriend paid for a year of internet service through this company |
| 12:29 | <WormFood> | I think that is highly unlikely, although entirely possible |
| 12:30 | <WormFood> | she moved out of her old apartment, and into my apartment, but they couldn't move the internet there....now we moved again, and they can put this internet in the new apartment....so now she dropped the DSL connection, which is what we paid for before. |
| 12:31 | <WormFood> | I did not have this many problems when I was testing this...and I didn't have this many problems when I had DSL either....this is just downright shitty. |
| 12:31 | <WormFood> | when I was testing this = the new internet connection (the one I'm using now) |
| 12:31 | <Guspaz> | There has been various research on coping with packetloss via things like forward error correction and data redundancy, perhaps there's some practical solution that produces a packetloss-resistant tunnel. |
| 12:32 | <WormFood> | my vpn uses udp, and I can't even connect to that, the packet loss is so high |
| 12:32 | <Guspaz> | Your throughput will obviously be worse, but that might be a valid tradeoff. |
| 12:32 | <WormFood> | well, high latency is better than infinite latency |
| 12:34 | <Guspaz> | An interesting turnkey solution, but not helpful for you: http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/brianmadden/archive/2010/05/21/does-ipeak-hold-the-secret-to-making-pc-over-ip-good-on-the-wan.aspx |
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| 12:34 | <Guspaz> | not helpful because you need something you can put on your linode rather than a piece of hardware that needs to be on both ends |
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| 12:35 | <Guspaz> | Apparently they do have software-only solutions, but probably super expensive. |
| 12:36 | <WormFood> | interesting |
| 12:36 | <WormFood> | but tcp should be able to cope with the high packet loss, but it does not |
| 12:38 | <Guspaz> | Well, it can cope with it, but much more than a small amount of packetloss has a catastrophic impact on performance. It has to wait a while to realize a packet was lost, and then request retransmission, and if the retransmission request (well, the fact it didn't ack the data) is lost, more problems... |
| 12:38 | <Peng> | TCP can cope with a pretty decent amount of packet loss, but 65+% is pushing it. |
| 12:38 | <WormFood> | well, I see something called "SmartTunnel"...trying to find out more about it...it may be what I want. |
| 12:40 | <WormFood> | but maybe that is a cisco thing...not sure |
| 12:40 | <Guspaz> | Sure, but 65% packetloss can probably be reduced sufficiently to let TCP cope with what's left with the right packetloss-resistant tunnel. |
| 12:41 | <Peng> | Would something as simple as sending every packet twice work? |
| 12:41 | <WormFood> | unlikely |
| 12:42 | <WormFood> | I think that could get kinda messy actually |
| 12:42 | <Peng> | Why? |
| 12:42 | <Guspaz> | It'd be a first step, but it'd help. In practice, you'd want to break the data up into smaller chunks, interleave the chunks and multiple redundant copies of each chunk, and then cope with loss using forward error correction. This seems to be essentially how that IPeak company's stuff works. |
| 12:43 | <Guspaz> | This (minus the redundancy, it purely relies on interleaving and FEC) is essentially how DSL handles lossy lines. |
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| 12:44 | <Guspaz> | 65% is pretty extreme by any standard, though, and the throughput reduction you're going to take to make that somewhat reliable will be rather high. |
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| 12:48 | <Guspaz> | Why would sending each TCP packet twice be messy, though? That's what sequence numbers are for. |
| 12:48 | <Guspaz> | If you simply sent every packet twice, it should discard any duplicates. |
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| 12:48 | <WormFood> | I'm not sure how well it would handle it...it should work ok, but who knows for sure without trying it? |
| 12:48 | <Guspaz> | You could probably hack up the linux kernel's TCP driver to try it :P |
| 12:49 | <WormFood> | I need my server to be accessible from China...maybe I need to look into getting another server in another part of the world :( |
| 12:49 | <Guspaz> | Preferably in china. |
| 12:49 | <WormFood> | hahahaha |
| 12:49 | <Guspaz> | You normally want to be on that side of the great firewall anyhow. |
| 12:49 | <WormFood> | good idea, except for the fact that I run a VPN server on my linode |
| 12:50 | <Guspaz> | ah, well, get the server in china and then establish the VPN between it and your linode for your own personal use. |
| 12:50 | <WormFood> | for having a web site inside of China, for China, I strongly suggest people not to use my server. I suggest they get a server inside of China |
| 12:50 | <WormFood> | well, this isn't for personal use. I'm actually selling VPN service. |
| 12:50 | <Guspaz> | Ah. |
| 12:51 | <WormFood> | the sucky thing about running a VPN server, is unless you use compression, you get double the bandwidth....for every gig they download, it is 2 gigs through my server :( |
| 12:51 | <Guspaz> | Perhaps one day linode will stop counting inbound traffic. |
| 12:52 | <WormFood> | hahaha...I doubt that would ever happen...that is where they make a lot of money |
| 12:52 | <WormFood> | notice you get no price breaks for high bandwidth? |
| 12:52 | <Guspaz> | Well, most people don't use much inbound traffic, and they probably don't pay for it since transit commits are normally symmetrical. |
| 12:52 | <Guspaz> | You sort of do get price breaks, though. |
| 12:52 | <hawk> | Well, I would think Linode has a pretty heavy inbalance inbound vs outbound... But that's just me guessing |
| 12:52 | <WormFood> | fortunately, they don't usually charger for going over your allotted bandwidth, as long as you're not going crazy |
| 12:53 | <Guspaz> | If you pre-purchase 100GB chunks, they give you a cheaper price, and they're open to negotiation for discounts on very large amounts. |
| 12:53 | * | Peng 's transfer usage is symmetrical \o/ |
| 12:54 | * | JshWright 's usage is mostly on the private network |
| 12:54 | <WormFood> | really Peng? Mine has slightly more outbound than inbound. |
| 12:54 | <WormFood> | Incoming: 204 GB Outgoing: 218 GB |
| 12:55 | <hawk> | That's pretty close |
| 12:55 | <WormFood> | when I buy more bandwidth, is it allotted based on what is used, or does it have to be in 100 gig chunks? In other words, if I go over my limit by 20 gig, will I still have 80 gig in reserve? |
| 12:55 | <Peng> | I forget the exact figures, but I'm within 2%. |
| 12:56 | <Peng> | Oh hey, I hit 200 GB for the month today. New record. I think. |
| 12:56 | <WormFood> | heh |
| 12:57 | <WormFood> | get some torrents on your box, you'll hit 200 gig in a few days...maybe a few hours |
| 12:57 | <Peng> | I was like 198 GB last month. |
| 12:58 | <WormFood> | if I have unused bandwidth, I'll use it to seed torrents to keep up my ratio....hell, I'll even download things I'm not interested in, if I think it will be popular, just to keep my ratio good |
| 12:59 | <WormFood> | if you're using your server to seed torrents, to use up bandwidth, and get a good ratio...then I strongly suggest porn...it is, without a doubt, the best ratio builder. |
| 12:59 | <Peng> | I tried that once. In 2009. It crashed my node. That was UML, but I've been afraid of BitTorrent ever since. :P |
| 12:59 | <hawk> | :> |
| 12:59 | <WormFood> | I've crashed my linode before from too many torrents (or was it too fast?) |
| 12:59 | <WormFood> | but only once |
| 12:59 | <JshWright> | Despite averaging 250 kb/s on my newark node, my usage for today so far is 300kB |
| 13:00 | <Peng> | Actually, I have a node I'm not doing anything with, so I could use it for BitTorrent. Maybe. |
| 13:00 | <Peng> | That is, since I wouldn't be bothered by crashing it. |
| 13:00 | <Guspaz> | There are two ways to buy more bandwidth at linode. Either a-la-carte (pay for it as you use it), which is $0.15 per gigabyte. Or you can buy 100GB chunks for $10/mth, and you pay if you use it or not. |
| 13:00 | <WormFood> | Peng, it is not a bad idea, if you have the bandwidth to spare |
| 13:00 | <Guspaz> | But since linodes themselves come with $0.10/GB, the smarter solution is to simply buy a bigger linode. |
| 13:01 | <Guspaz> | Example: A $20 linode 512 comes with 200GB, a $30 linode 768 comes with 300GB, so a $20 linode with 100GB extra makes no sense. |
| 13:01 | <WormFood> | well, except for the fact, that it costs me $20 to upgrade |
| 13:01 | <Guspaz> | You're on a 1024 and the next step up is 1536? |
| 13:01 | <hawk> | Guspaz: Unless you hate RAM and disk space |
| 13:01 | <WormFood> | yes Guspaz, however I'm at the $20 break in prices, so if I only need 100 gig more, I'm better off to just pay for it, than to upgrade |
| 13:01 | <Guspaz> | or 1536 -> 2048? |
| 13:01 | <Guspaz> | ah |
| 13:02 | <WormFood> | I get 400 gig of bandwidth a month with my linode |
| 13:02 | <Guspaz> | hawk: How could anybody hate RAM and disk space? |
| 13:02 | <Guspaz> | I wish I had more disk space. A lot more. |
| 13:02 | <Peng> | hawk: You don't *have* to assign all your RAM or disk space to your node. :D |
| 13:02 | <Guspaz> | Our design department wants a file dump for collaboration, but our linode's disk is just too tiny. |
| 13:02 | <WormFood> | as I've been saying for many, many, many years....there are 3 things you will never do with your computer....1) you will never have a computer that is "too fast"...2) You will never have "too much ram"....3) You will never have "too much hard drive space" |
| 13:02 | <Peng> | Guspaz: But S3's disk is juuust right. |
| 13:03 | <Guspaz> | Peng: POSIX mounting of S3 isn't all that reliable |
| 13:03 | <WormFood> | what do you mean, by a "file dump"? |
| 13:03 | <WormFood> | do you want to copy off all the files from your linode, but don't have the space to make the tarball? |
| 13:03 | <Guspaz> | They want an FTP or SFTP server that they can upload/download files from. Mostly photoshop, indesign, illustrator, that sort of stuff. |
| 13:03 | <hawk> | Guspaz: Well, there's always there people who can't like what everyone else likes... |
| 13:04 | <WormFood> | oh...I see what you mean |
| 13:04 | <WormFood> | why do people still want to use ftp? Shit! it pre-dates TCP/IP |
| 13:04 | <Guspaz> | They're willing to use SFTP, but the protocol isn't the issue. The lack of space is. |
| 13:04 | <Guspaz> | If Linode offered a slow-but-cheap SAN option, I'd be sure to take it. |
| 13:04 | <WormFood> | sftp, scp...that is good |
| 13:05 | <WormFood> | "if I send you a hard drive, can you attach it to my linode"....hahahaha |
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| 13:05 | <WormFood> | I'm sure people have asked that question before |
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| 13:06 | <WormFood> | sure, I have a spare 10 gig drive, out of an old XBOX....you can connect it to my linode, right? |
| 13:07 | <Guspaz> | I've got a large multi-terabyte file server in my apartment, and 14 megabits of upstream, so I'm considering running the file dump myself, but I have a monthly transfer cap of 600GB/mth. I don't think the design department needs enough bandwidth to make a dent in that, though. |
| 13:07 | <WormFood> | sounds like a deal to me |
| 13:08 | <WormFood> | when I left USA, the largest hard drive I owned was 500 gig...now the largest hard drive I own is 2000 gig |
| 13:08 | <WormFood> | that was less than 4 years ago |
| 13:08 | <Guspaz> | They have 3TB drives now pretty cheap |
| 13:08 | <WormFood> | what brand? I haven't seen those in the market around here |
| 13:09 | <WormFood> | I know I can get an 800 gig laptop hard drive too, but I haven't been able to find them either. I'm guessing the price is too high and not enough people are buying them. |
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| 13:10 | <Guspaz> | All the companies make them now. NewEgg sells 15 3TB drives from Hitachi, Western Digital and Seagate. The cheapest is $130 USD |
| 13:10 | <WormFood> | not bad |
| 13:10 | <Peng> | ...I remember buying a 120 GB drive for that. |
| 13:10 | <Peng> | Or 160? |
| 13:11 | <Guspaz> | Laptop drives go up to 1TB now, NewEgg has Samsung/WD/Toshiba for those. Starting at $110 |
| 13:11 | <WormFood> | but price is not a major factor for me, as I always go for quality, since it always costs less in the long run |
| 13:11 | <Guspaz> | Only the samsung is 9.5mm high though |
| 13:11 | <WormFood> | I remember my first new hard drive I bought, was 130 MEG....and I think it cost me about $300-400 |
| 13:11 | <Guspaz> | The first computer my family bought had a 160MB hard disk. |
| 13:12 | <WormFood> | hahaha...first computer in my family had a cassette tape for storage |
| 13:12 | <WormFood> | and we were damn happy to upgrade to a floppy disk too |
| 13:13 | <WormFood> | but I did have a hard drive, by the late 1980s....I got a rather "large" (at the time) 70 meg drive....most people only had 20 and 40 meg drives at the time. |
| 13:14 | <WormFood> | it was also physically large, as it was a 5 1/4" full height drive....sounded like a jet about to take off when it spins up |
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| 13:15 | <WormFood> | and speaking of hard drives, you'll like this. I scanned this in out of a magazine I bought, back in the 1980s. http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg "the price war is over!" don't bother trying to find a better price, because the price war is OVER! |
| 13:15 | <WormFood> | 5 meg hard drives, only $995 (not including controller) |
| 13:16 | <Guspaz> | heh |
| 13:16 | <Guspaz> | Before we owned our own computer, I did use a lot of Apple IIs and early macs (before they had HDDs), lots of booting off floppy disks. |
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| 13:17 | <WormFood> | and one day I got to work, and I could barely get in the door, because of all the computer equipment my boss had bought....he though he was getting a good deal, to buy all this ancient stuff....it had a hard drive, the size of a washing machine. It used an external 230 volt motor, with a belt drive to the platters....the hard drive was 5 MEG! |
| 13:17 | <WormFood> | this is no exaggeration, it was about the size of a washing machine, or a dish washer |
| 13:18 | <WormFood> | I still have some 8" floppy drives, back in USA....those are freaking huge |
| 13:18 | <WormFood> | and I have a box, of new 5 1/4" HARD sectored floppies....ever seen those before? |
| 13:19 | <Guspaz> | don't think so, only the floppy 5.25" and 8" ones |
| 13:19 | <WormFood> | well, it is a normal 5 1/4" floppy, except for the index hole |
| 13:19 | <WormFood> | in addition to the index hole, it also has an additional 16 or so holes for the sectors |
| 13:21 | <WormFood> | you'd never notice it, if you didn't spin the disk, and look at the index hole opening....a commodore or apple 2 computer could have used it, because those didn't use the index hole....but when I formatted it in my computer, it formatted a spiral track, because every sector it thought the disk had gone around, so it moved to the next track |
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| 13:21 | <dan> | hello |
| 13:21 | <dan> | i need to find |
| 13:22 | <WormFood> | a question? |
| 13:22 | <dan> | someone to help with mysql and wordpress |
| 13:22 | <Guspaz> | !ask |
| 13:22 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
| 13:22 | <dan> | sorry. I need someone to help me with a mysql problem and wordpress on our linode server |
| 13:22 | <WormFood> | you might get better help from a mysql or wordpress specific channel....but feel free to ask here, as there are many smart people here |
| 13:23 | <Guspaz> | Or post on the forums |
| 13:24 | <AlexC_> | dan: you're going to have to actually ask a question |
| 13:24 | <AlexC_> | right now, the only advise I can give is: have you turned it off and back on again? |
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| 13:25 | <dan> | My webserver is down in the sense when i attempt to connect to one of the many websites hosted i get an erro "error establishing a database connection" |
| 13:25 | <zar> | ouch |
| 13:26 | <dan> | our server is running wordpress and mysql and all of the hosted sites return the error |
| 13:26 | <pronto> | bash it with a hammer :d |
| 13:26 | <WormFood> | http://vector-graphic.info/images/16-hard-sector%20diskette%20without%20jacket.jpg this is what a hard sectored floppy disk looks like, without the jacket |
| 13:26 | <AlexC_> | dan: is MySQL even started? |
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| 13:27 | <dan> | i was told by linode tech that it was origiojnally not enough memory and so we added more memory but i cant tell for sure if it is running |
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| 13:28 | <AlexC_> | dan: of course you can. Distro? |
| 13:28 | <hawk> | dan: Is there something that prevents you from checking? |
| 13:28 | <WormFood> | while it is obvious that you want to fix this problem, your skills are not obvious to us, so why don't you tell us what you want help with. You STILL haven't actually asked a question yet :P |
| 13:28 | <dan> | i am not sure how. this is on a ubuntu 10.04.1 LTS |
| 13:28 | <AlexC_> | dan: /etc/init.d/mysql status |
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| 13:28 | <WormFood> | why don't you start with what you've tried to do |
| 13:29 | <WormFood> | and your results...and let us know your skill level, so we know how to talk with you....so we don't assume too much or too little about what you know. |
| 13:30 | <dan> | service mysql status returns "mysql stop/waiting" |
| 13:30 | <dan> | i am a new to ubuntu |
| 13:30 | <WormFood> | I'm new to ubuntu too |
| 13:30 | <WormFood> | but I'm not new to Linux |
| 13:31 | <WormFood> | actually, I don't use ubuntu, but I've set it up for a few people. |
| 13:31 | <dan> | i am limited in linux knowledge i have rebooted the server several times and contacted linode support |
| 13:32 | <WormFood> | do you want to be a Linux admin? |
| 13:32 | <dan> | i would like help from a linux admin assisting me in finding a way to solve the current problem and than go forward and learn |
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| 13:33 | <WormFood> | well, it sounds to me like you need an admin to do it for you, then teach you how to admin a Linux server :P Sorry, I don't mean to sound harsh |
| 13:34 | <dan> | no you are not and that is exactly what i need |
| 13:34 | <WormFood> | Linux has a steep learning curve, but don't give up. Once you get up on it, you'll find that it is actually easy to use. |
| 13:35 | <jameswilson1> | dan, now that you know mysql is not running, you need to figure out how to start mysql. |
| 13:35 | <WormFood> | I've been using Linux since 1995, and other Linux-like OSes since the mid-late 1980s...so I have quite a bit of experience with a lot of different things ;) |
| 13:35 | <WormFood> | dan, are you logged into the server without problems, and you're able to become root, and all that good stuff, right? |
| 13:35 | <dan> | i usedwhen i type service mysql start "start:job failed to start |
| 13:35 | <dan> | yes i am root |
| 13:36 | <WormFood> | type "free -m", and see how much memory you have, for starters |
| 13:36 | <AlexC_> | dan: view the log file /var/log/messages and look for MySQL errors |
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| 13:37 | <WormFood> | also dan, don't paste too many lines here. Use a paste site, like http://p.linode.com/ if you have a lot of stuff to share with us. If the output of a command is clear enough, I'll try to wrap 2-3 lines onto one line |
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| 13:38 | <dan> | thanks messages file is very large i am looking at it now |
| 13:38 | <amitz> | when is linode's bandwidth cut off time? EST? UTC? |
| 13:39 | <WormFood> | dan, type "tail /var/log/messages -n50 -F" to get the last 50 lines of the message log, and to show any new additions to the log file in real time |
| 13:40 | <WormFood> | dan, if you don't know about "screen", you must install it, and spend 15 minutes to learn the basics of how to operate it....trust me, it is worth the time to learn it. |
| 13:40 | <dan> | nothing in the file |
| 13:40 | <dan> | Aug 31 10:15:58 bmbnow rsyslogd: rsyslogd's userid changed to 101 |
| 13:41 | <dan> | that relates to mysql |
| 13:42 | <WormFood> | also dan, don't blindly type what people tell you. You should know what a command does. I've seen people wipe out their system, because they blindly followed what other people told them. the "man" command will tell you what a command does, type "man man" to learn about man, and "man tail" to see what the -n and -F options do, that I gave you |
| 13:42 | <dan> | yes thanks i know about man and will look at those options |
| 13:42 | <rnowak> | Question now is, can WormFood be trusted, or does "man" wipe your entire system? dun duuuun duuuuuuuun |
| 13:42 | <WormFood> | it is also creeping up on 2am here, so I'll be heading out soon....but I know there are other competent people who can help you when I'm gone. |
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| 13:43 | <jameswilson1> | rnowak: lmao |
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| 13:43 | <WormFood> | rnowak, I made a Linux based FAQ, and said "if you wipe out your computer by following these instructions, then don't blame me"....then later on, I give a list of common linux commands, and in there was a command to wipe out your hard drive (but it was clearly labeled as doing that) |
| 13:44 | <dan> | service mysql start gives start: Job failed to start |
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| 13:44 | <WormFood> | and type "/disco ball" into your IRC client, to see if it has the bouncing disco ball demo in it |
| 13:45 | <Peng> | WormFood: Good one |
| 13:45 | <WormFood> | :D |
| 13:45 | <Peng> | I bet "man" is really short for "mangle". |
| 13:45 | * | WormFood waits for someone to try it |
| 13:45 | <amitz> | WormFood: you're guilty for not explaining the word wipe properly! Cleaning hard drive? That's a good thing. |
| 13:45 | <WormFood> | amitz, wipe as in "cp /dev/zero /dev/sda" |
| 13:45 | <dan> | ok thanks can someone point me in the right direction |
| 13:46 | <dwfreed> | WormFood: interestingly enough, irssi gives me "Not connected to server" no matter what window I do it in |
| 13:46 | <amitz> | WormFood: but will they know? ;-) |
| 13:46 | <Peng> | dwfreed: It's trying to disconnect you from "ball". |
| 13:46 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 13:46 | <dwfreed> | lol |
| 13:46 | <jameswilson1> | dan: you may have a mysql configuration problem, look to see if there's any fles like /var/log/mysql.* |
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| 13:47 | <AlexC_> | jameswilson1: unless Ubuntu differs, Debian decided it would be totaly awesome to change the default location of MySQL logs to the insane /var/log/messages |
| 13:47 | <dan> | two files mysql.err and mysql.log and both are empty |
| 13:47 | <AlexC_> | yep, that's expected. Thanks debian ... thanks |
| 13:47 | <WormFood> | maybe logs rotated...look at mysql.err/log.1 |
| 13:48 | <AlexC_> | WormFood: they will also be empty |
| 13:48 | <dan> | tail.daemon.log |
| 13:48 | <dan> | would that tell me anything |
| 13:48 | <dan> | no . after tail sorry |
| 13:48 | <AlexC_> | probably, but of nothing related to your issue |
| 13:49 | <jameswilson1> | try /var/log/syslog for mysql errors? |
| 13:50 | <dan> | i see this only Aug 31 08:37:04 bmbnow init: mysql pre-start process (3536) terminated with status 1 |
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| 13:53 | <WormFood> | dan, this could take a long time to do...it would be a lot faster if you know someone you trust, who can login and take a look at it for you. |
| 13:54 | <dan> | when i attempt to do a init.d mysql start i get this error |
| 13:54 | <dan> | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 13:54 | <dan> | yes i am looking for someone to trust |
| 13:56 | <WormFood> | I'd offer to do it for you, but you don't really know me...and in general, it is a bad idea, unless you REALLY trust someone on your computer. |
| 13:56 | <jameswilson1> | dan: now that you have a valid error message, you can try searching for it on google |
| 13:56 | <jameswilson1> | for example, i found this, at the top of the search results: http://anthologyoi.com/computers/cant-connect-to-local-mysql-server-through-socketerror.html |
| 13:56 | <dan> | i am, searching now on google as well |
| 13:57 | <dan> | looks like other think it is a permiossion on the files and folders |
| 13:57 | <dan> | i checked that now |
| 13:57 | <dan> | and they show owners as mysql |
| 13:58 | <WormFood> | it might be easier to just uninstall, and reinstall mysql....and you never did tell me how much free memory you have. (free -m) |
| 13:59 | <WormFood> | hell, even if you trusted me enough to take a look at it, I couldn't do it anyways, because I have way too much packet loss...I can barely do anything on my linode right now. :( |
| 13:59 | <dan> | mem total 1869 used 385 free 1483 |
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| 14:00 | <WormFood> | I doubt it is a memory issue. Did your linode crash before this problem happened? |
| 14:01 | <dan> | how about how to change mysql root password. i am not able to login to phpmyadmin anylonger |
| 14:01 | <dan> | linode did not crash |
| 14:01 | <WormFood> | there is a command to change your root password. Google for it. Easy to find. |
| 14:01 | <jameswilson1> | dan: you wont be able to use any mysql tools like phpmyadmin if the socket cannot be established |
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| 14:02 | <dan> | agree about not being able to use any toold i did find it i did not understand all of the commands |
| 14:02 | <WormFood> | do a "ps ax|grep mysql", and see if anything is running now....maybe something is stuck |
| 14:02 | <dan> | so real question is service mysql start or service mysqld start? |
| 14:02 | <jameswilson1> | it could be either one. |
| 14:03 | <jwbernin> | the one it isn't will tell you you gave it an invalid service name. |
| 14:03 | <WormFood> | should be mysqld, since that is the server, but they could be the same thing |
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| 14:03 | <dan> | 2869 pts/0 S+ 0:00 grep --color=auto mysql is returned from the ps |
| 14:03 | <jwbernin> | is this CentOS or Fedora? |
| 14:03 | <WormFood> | ok, that is grep grepping itself |
| 14:03 | <WormFood> | jwbernin, it is ubuntu |
| 14:03 | <jwbernin> | ahhh. |
| 14:04 | * | jwbernin sits down and shuts up |
| 14:04 | <dan> | i understand the grep command |
| 14:04 | * | jwbernin isn't familiar with ubuntu |
| 14:04 | <HoopyCat> | "What kind of Linux do you usually have here?" "Oh, we got both kinds. We got CentOS *and* Fedora." |
| 14:04 | <WormFood> | dan, then you should have known that copy/pasting that line was pointless :P |
| 14:05 | <jwbernin> | HoopyCat: yes, I *am* on a mission from God. |
| 14:05 | <dan> | just wanted to give details service mysql start should create a log file should it not |
| 14:05 | <HoopyCat> | jwbernin: <3 |
| 14:05 | <WormFood> | I'd suggest you purge mysqld, and reinstall it |
| 14:05 | <jameswilson1> | you might want to copy the mysql data folder before you do that |
| 14:06 | <WormFood> | I think if you have any hope of a quick recovery, tha would be it |
| 14:06 | <WormFood> | it should not touch the mysql data |
| 14:06 | <WormFood> | it should just remove the package |
| 14:06 | <WormFood> | actually, an uninstall won't remove the data files...I'm not so sure about purge...it may |
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| 14:07 | <dan> | i have a daily backup from last night i should be able to restore but there has to something simple i am missing |
| 14:07 | <WormFood> | it may not be something simple |
| 14:07 | <WormFood> | if you can't find a solution with google, then it is on to the more advanced troubleshooting techniques |
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| 14:08 | <hawk> | dan: What exactly did "/etc/init.d/mysql start" say? DId it look successful? |
| 14:08 | <jameswilson1> | there is clearly something wrong with the socket configuration, either the my.cnf points to the wrong place, or something is already connected to the socket, or the socket doesnt exist. |
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| 14:08 | <WormFood> | no hawk, it gives an error about a missing socket |
| 14:08 | <WormFood> | so, does the socket exist? |
| 14:09 | <hawk> | probably not |
| 14:09 | <jameswilson1> | i thought dan answered above that it did exist.. |
| 14:09 | <hawk> | I guess it includes the path to the socket in the error? |
| 14:09 | <hawk> | Are the permissions ok, then? |
| 14:09 | <dan> | they appear to be ok |
| 14:10 | <WormFood> | is it a socket, or an empty file, or what? is it actually a socket? |
| 14:10 | <cdash> | Is it possible to pastebin my.cnf, dan? |
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| 14:10 | <dan> | where do i find my.cnf |
| 14:10 | <hawk> | dan: can you show us "ls -l /where/ever/the/socket/is/according/to/the/error/message"? |
| 14:10 | <WormFood> | srwxrwxrwx 1 mysql mysql 0 Aug 30 11:45 /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock <-- does yours look like this? |
| 14:11 | <jameswilson1> | hawk: error from above....ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
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| 14:12 | <cdash> | dan: check /etc/mysql |
| 14:12 | <dan> | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 40 Aug 31 10:15 mysqld and the directory is empty |
| 14:12 | <hawk> | Ok, so the socket does not exist? |
| 14:12 | <jameswilson1> | dan: it might also be just /etc/my.cnf |
| 14:13 | <WormFood> | dan, do an "ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock", please |
| 14:13 | <dan> | root@bmbnow:/etc/mysql# tail my.cnf shows the file |
| 14:14 | <dan> | no such file or directory on this ls -l /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| 14:14 | <WormFood> | so the socket does not exist |
| 14:14 | <WormFood> | that is why it does not work |
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| 14:14 | <jameswilson1> | WormFood: it usually doesnt exist until msqld is started though, right? |
| 14:14 | <cdash> | Mysql creates that |
| 14:15 | <jameswilson1> | yeah |
| 14:15 | <jameswilson1> | as long as perms are correct on the containing dir, it should be kosher. |
| 14:15 | <cdash> | Please paste the content of my.cnf |
| 14:15 | <dan> | i have the file how do i past it for you |
| 14:15 | <jameswilson1> | dan copy the contents up to a pastebin http://p.linode.com/ |
| 14:15 | <cdash> | Lets start from the basic |
| 14:15 | <jameswilson1> | and paste the link here |
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| 14:16 | <WormFood> | you're right. It deletes it when the mysql server is stopped, and recreates it when it is started....so, what about the ownership/permissions of that directory/ |
| 14:16 | <hawk> | It looked writable to the mysql user |
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| 14:16 | <jameswilson1> | WormFood: i think above he mentioned perms were already set to mysqld |
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| 14:17 | <dan> | i attempt to pastbin and it asks for my user id and password |
| 14:17 | <WormFood> | dan, can you do a "ls -ld /var/run/mysqld/" now? |
| 14:17 | <WormFood> | dan, it tells you what the username/password is |
| 14:17 | <WormFood> | the user name is 2 letters long, and the password is 4 |
| 14:18 | <dan> | sorry whent i click send to pastbin the text it pops up a connect to p.linode and asks me for a user id and password |
| 14:18 | <hawk> | WormFood: I thought that's what this was, more or less: 18:12 < dan> drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 40 Aug 31 10:15 mysqld and the directory is empty |
| 14:18 | <cdash> | Pastebin.com |
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| 14:18 | <dan> | i wants me to loing to pastbin |
| 14:18 | <@caker> | dan: read the dialog box |
| 14:18 | <hawk> | dan: The login dialog should have the necessary instructions |
| 14:18 | <WormFood> | yes dan, IT GIVES YOU THE USERNAME/PASSWORD TO USE....right on the page |
| 14:19 | <jameswilson1> | its not on the page, its inside the HTTP Auth dialog box. |
| 14:19 | <jameswilson1> | :P |
| 14:19 | <WormFood> | they only do that to stop spammers (or slow them down) |
| 14:19 | <jameswilson1> | oh, hawk just said that. :P |
| 14:19 | <cdash> | Or just use the link I provided |
| 14:20 | <WormFood> | hawk, what you copy/pasted is a different directory from what I asked for |
| 14:20 | <jameswilson1> | pastie.org doesnt require any auth. |
| 14:20 | <jameswilson1> | for the record. |
| 14:20 | <dan> | got it sorry cant read and a first timer |
| 14:21 | <WormFood> | don't worry dan...it slowed me down the first time too |
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| 14:21 | <dan> | it is posted |
| 14:21 | <hawk> | WormFood: Really? Hrm, ok |
| 14:21 | <WormFood> | pastie.org is horribly slow from where I live |
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| 14:22 | <cdash> | Link? |
| 14:22 | <WormFood> | http://p.linode.com/5738 |
| 14:22 | <WormFood> | dan, can you get me the last line I asked for? |
| 14:22 | <WormFood> | dan, can you do a "ls -ld /var/run/mysqld/" now? |
| 14:23 | <cdash> | Change bind-address to |
| 14:23 | <cdash> | 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:23 | <WormFood> | cdash, if you go to http://p.linode.com/ it will show you the most recent posts on the left of the page...and they're not busy enough to make it even a little hard to find |
| 14:23 | <dan> | drwxr-xr-x 2 mysql root 40 Aug 31 10:15 /var/run/mysqld/ |
| 14:24 | <cdash> | Sorry. Im on a cmd no gui. |
| 14:24 | <WormFood> | yeah, that looks good...do what cdash says. |
| 14:24 | <WormFood> | what does having a GUI have to do with what we're talking about? |
| 14:25 | <cdash> | Just replying to your last message. |
| 14:25 | <WormFood> | oh, sorry cdash, I was thinking dan said that |
| 14:25 | <hawk> | WormFood: Just have to point out that is exactly the same dir that was pasted before :P |
| 14:25 | <WormFood> | now do you figure hawk? |
| 14:25 | <hawk> | WormFood: now? how? |
| 14:26 | <cdash> | dan: still there? |
| 14:26 | <dan> | ok changed the bind address to 127.0.0.1 which is itself |
| 14:27 | <WormFood> | how do you figure that it is the same? Nobody asked for that directory. Why would he give that directory in response to being asked for another directory? |
| 14:27 | <cdash> | Try invoking start |
| 14:27 | <dan> | cd .. |
| 14:27 | <dan> | sorry jOB FAILED TO START |
| 14:27 | <cdash> | Thats the error? |
| 14:27 | <WormFood> | what does "/etc/init.d/mysql start" say? |
| 14:28 | <dan> | root@bmbnow:/etc/init.d# service mysql start |
| 14:28 | <dan> | start: Job failed to start |
| 14:28 | <WormFood> | dan, what does "/etc/init.d/mysql start" say? |
| 14:28 | <hawk> | WormFood: We asked for /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock and right after that got ls output for a directory named mysqld with the comment that the directory is empty. I figured it very likely was that directory. |
| 14:29 | <cdash> | Hmm..try ./mysqld start |
| 14:29 | <hawk> | WormFood: No other directory named mysqld was part of the discussion, anyway |
| 14:29 | <cdash> | Dont use service |
| 14:29 | <dan> | start: Job failed to start |
| 14:29 | <WormFood> | hawk, you may be right, but it wasn't clear to me. Just trying to be sure, because if it wasn't the same, and that was where the problem is, then it would be a problem :P |
| 14:30 | <dan> | i posted another file |
| 14:30 | <cdash> | Link pls. |
| 14:30 | <WormFood> | you could also just run "mysqld_safe", from the command line |
| 14:31 | <dan> | p.linode |
| 14:31 | <linbot> | New news from forums: TorrentFlux - Stuck on "Connecting to peers..." in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7664> |
| 14:31 | <WormFood> | dan, type "mysqld_safe" and see what you get. |
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| 14:32 | <dan> | over and over again number of process running now 0 restarted |
| 14:32 | <dan> | in a loop |
| 14:32 | <WormFood> | DESCRIPTION: mysqld_safe is the recommended way to start a mysqld server on Unix and NetWare. mysqld_safe adds some safety features such as restarting the server when an error occurs and logging runtime information to an error log file. |
| 14:33 | <dan> | how do i stop the loop |
| 14:33 | <WormFood> | did you try to uninstall it, and reinstall it? I suggest you purge it, then reinstall it |
| 14:33 | <WormFood> | <ctrl>-C |
| 14:33 | <cdash> | dan: link of your last post? |
| 14:33 | <dan> | http://p.linode.com/5739 |
| 14:33 | <WormFood> | http://p.linode.com/5739 cdash |
| 14:33 | <dan> | CONTROL C WONT STOP IT |
| 14:33 | <WormFood> | cdash, I just told you how to find it, not more than 10 minutes ago http://p.linode.com/ |
| 14:34 | <WormFood> | killall mysqld_safe |
| 14:34 | <WormFood> | you may need to do it from another window...good thing you're running "screen" like I suggested |
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| 14:35 | <cdash> | Err.. WormFood I think I also replied to why Im asking for the exact link |
| 14:35 | <WormFood> | how are you viewing it? with echo and netcat? |
| 14:35 | <dan> | killall from another did not stop it |
| 14:36 | <WormFood> | ok, then do a pstree -p, find the parent job, and kill it |
| 14:37 | <WormFood> | also, mysqld_safe is supposed to be script, do take a look at it, and see if it tells you where the log files are, and take a peek at those, if you can find them |
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| 14:37 | <WormFood> | also, you said you have a backup....so....purge the mysqld package, and reinstall it |
| 14:38 | <dan> | kill -9 3033 stopped it |
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| 14:39 | <WormFood> | good |
| 14:39 | <WormFood> | so...is there something stopping you from purging it? |
| 14:39 | <WormFood> | aptitude purge mysqld |
| 14:40 | <WormFood> | aptitude install mysqld |
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| 14:40 | <cdash> | Service ehh..try it with sudo |
| 14:40 | <WormFood> | why? he is already root |
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| 14:48 | <dan> | i am concerned with purge because i really dont have the experience with it |
| 14:49 | <dan> | my backup is from last night at 2am |
| 14:49 | <dan> | i am taking a snapshot now |
| 14:49 | <WormFood> | read up on the man/info page on apt/aptitude |
| 14:49 | <dan> | when that snapshot is completed about 50 minutes i will attempt what ever is needed |
| 14:49 | <WormFood> | I'm probably gonna be in bed by then |
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| 14:50 | <WormFood> | an uninstall leaves the config files....a purge removes the config files too |
| 14:51 | <WormFood> | you can backup the database, by copying (keeping the ownership and permissions intact) the /var/lib/mysql directory |
| 14:51 | <WormFood> | if you look in there, you'll see a few files for each database you have |
| 14:51 | <atealtha> | don't forget to flush to disk before copying the files |
| 14:51 | <WormFood> | why atealtha? |
| 14:52 | <atealtha> | because you might not get all the data saved to the disk |
| 14:52 | <atealtha> | some might live in memory |
| 14:52 | <WormFood> | the sql server isn't running, and if it was, a flush wouldn't help...you'd need to stop the server before copying the files (of course, you can still backup the database without stopping the server, but that is moot in this case) |
| 14:52 | <atealtha> | well if the server isn't running then of course |
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| 14:53 | <WormFood> | even if the sql server was running, you can't backup the directory while it is running |
| 14:53 | <atealtha> | really? |
| 14:53 | <WormFood> | that is what I've read |
| 14:54 | <WormFood> | maybe I've mis-remembered it, or it is no longer the case....but I think it is still valid |
| 14:54 | <Peng> | If a database is running, its files may not be in a consistent state. |
| 14:54 | <WormFood> | right, even if you do a "flush" |
| 14:54 | <WormFood> | all a flush does is write unsaved data to the disk, that is already in the OS |
| 14:55 | <WormFood> | it won't flush data held in the program, it only flushes the write buffers in Linux |
| 14:55 | <atealtha> | shows how much I know, I always use mysqldump |
| 14:55 | <snubby> | yo @ WormFood |
| 14:55 | <WormFood> | ä½ å¥½ snubby |
| 14:56 | <pkiller> | can anyone help me with icecast2 someone with experience with it :) |
| 14:56 | <Peng> | atealtha: Right. Using mysqldump is good. |
| 14:56 | <WormFood> | yes, that is how you backup the database without stopping the server |
| 14:56 | <dan> | could it be related to anything like a temp database full or a log file full? |
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| 14:57 | <cdash> | Could be. How much free space do you have? |
| 14:58 | <dan> | 12 gb |
| 14:59 | <dan> | do the mysql files need to be resized ever |
| 14:59 | <tparker> | dan: is the 12 GB according to df -h or the Linode Manager? |
| 14:59 | <cdash> | Do you see any log file under /var/log/mysql folder? |
| 15:00 | <dan> | linode manager shows 12gb df -h shows /dev/xvda 0 available /dev shows 935m |
| 15:00 | <tparker> | then you are out of disk space on your main disk image |
| 15:00 | <dan> | so i read this as /dev/xvda is full |
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| 15:01 | <dan> | yes how do i add the 12 gb |
| 15:01 | <tparker> | you should be able to resize that disk image in the manager, clicking on the edit link on the dashboard next to that image |
| 15:01 | <dan> | or do i in linode resize |
| 15:01 | <cdash> | Woot! |
| 15:02 | <cdash> | See tparkers commet :-) |
| 15:03 | <WormFood> | god damn it! I forgot about checking hard drive space. I just take it for granted, but that is one of the first things I check on my own machines when I have weird problems. |
| 15:03 | <WormFood> | dan, you need to do it in the linode manager, and you need to shutdown your server too |
| 15:03 | <cdash> | dan: congrats you just nailed it! :-) |
| 15:04 | <WormFood> | when you said you added more memory, I'm sure everyone was thinking you added more RAM, not hard drive space. |
| 15:04 | <WormFood> | that is your problem....you just need to resize |
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| 15:05 | <dan> | i am doing that now on Linode give me a moment to finish |
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| 15:08 | <dan> | i shut it down and i am resizing now. i would like to thank you for your help on all of this |
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| 15:11 | <WormFood> | I'm glad you got it figured out. I'm going to bed now. See ya'll l8r |
| 15:11 | <Peng> | WormFood: Good night |
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| 17:03 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
| 17:03 | <Kyhwana> | O.o |
| 17:04 | <ajmitch> | yep |
| 17:04 | * | HoopyCat begins Alarm Identification Routine |
| 17:05 | <HoopyCat> | RESULT: Car alarm with bronchitis |
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| 17:08 | <Guspaz> | Woot, the US Justice Department has filed an antitrust lawsuit to block the AT&T / T-Mobile merger, and the FCC released a statement that seems to indicate they |
| 17:08 | <Guspaz> | they'll also oppose it. |
| 17:08 | <u3q> | woo hoo |
| 17:08 | <u3q> | that is great news |
| 17:08 | <Guspaz> | http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/08/31/technology-mobile-telecommunications-us-at-amp-t-t-mobile_8652135.html |
| 17:09 | <Guspaz> | Of course, none of this really affects me since Canadian foreign investment laws ban any of those companies from operating in Canada, but I still hate to see a company like AT&T dominate the market. |
| 17:10 | <Guspaz> | AT&T/FCC/Sprint responses linked from here: http://www.bgr.com/2011/08/31/att-responds-to-u-s-government-lawsuit-seeking-to-block-t-mobile-deal/ |
| 17:13 | -!- | htcwild [~deeLer@91.181.34.39] has joined #linode |
| 17:13 | <htcwild> | somebody just do me a favour and wget this url please, what do you see: a "1" or a "0" ?? http://www.inspiredbyyou.be/nl/humo/vote/34 |
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| 17:15 | <rnowak> | htcwild: eh, fishing for votes? |
| 17:15 | <htcwild> | yes, it appears to scan on IP |
| 17:15 | <Peng> | "scan"? |
| 17:15 | <htcwild> | well, log |
| 17:16 | <Peng> | (Well, htcwild did get at least 3 or 3 clicks from bots.) |
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| 17:16 | <htcwild> | heh |
| 17:16 | <htcwild> | thx |
| 17:16 | <rnowak> | cheap shot, hope it is worth selling your soul for it |
| 17:16 | <htcwild> | yeah, close call |
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| 17:18 | <chesty> | /kick tsmart_gone |
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| 17:18 | -!- | mode/#linode [+b *!*tesmar@*.redhat.com] by caker |
| 17:18 | -!- | tsmart_gone was kicked from #linode by caker [away nick changes suck] |
| 17:19 | <Peng> | ....redhat.com? |
| 17:19 | <@caker> | < linode.com |
| 17:19 | <rnowak> | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Tyler/Smart |
| 17:19 | <rnowak> | hah |
| 17:20 | <rnowak> | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tyler-smart/11/1aa/832 that one, even |
| 17:20 | * | rnowak stalking complete, returning to normal operation |
| 17:21 | <Peng> | What if he turns it off? |
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| 17:26 | <jameswilson1> | caker, i just saw you kicked someone for changing their nick. is that a policy of this channel? |
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| 17:26 | <Guspaz> | Always has been |
| 17:26 | <jameswilson1> | ok, was unaware of that. |
| 17:27 | <chesty> | auto change on away |
| 17:27 | <dobie_gillis> | why have i not been kicked? |
| 17:27 | <dobie_gillis> | i changed my nick after i joined |
| 17:27 | <Guspaz> | Not nick changes, but nick changes on away. |
| 17:27 | <jameswilson1> | dobie_gillis: i think its more for peopel that change their nick when they leave the keyboard |
| 17:27 | <dobie_gillis> | hahah oh i see :P |
| 17:27 | <jameswilson1> | which, in other places, is a standard practice |
| 17:28 | <dobie_gillis> | .... like where? |
| 17:28 | <rnowak> | standard practice? |
| 17:28 | <jameswilson1> | freenode |
| 17:28 | <dobie_gillis> | nick change on away is looked down upon on freenode |
| 17:28 | <jameswilson1> | really, wow, didnt know that |
| 17:28 | <Cruiser> | its pretty typical in a lot of other rooms i frequent |
| 17:28 | <Guspaz> | Standard practice is to set an away message so that people who PM you are notified, not to broadcast to the entire world that you're AFK, spamming everybody. |
| 17:28 | <Cruiser> | (changing on away) |
| 17:28 | <jameswilson1> | ok, so its used by the drupal community at large. |
| 17:29 | <dobie_gillis> | says a lot about drupal |
| 17:29 | <boba> | even worse than /nick on away is /amsg on away |
| 17:29 | <jameswilson1> | not sure where that "habit" came from |
| 17:29 | <Cruiser> | i've never understood why people get so uppity about it, its one line |
| 17:29 | <chesty> | when 100 people do it, it's 100 lines |
| 17:29 | <@caker> | *500 people |
| 17:29 | <Guspaz> | One line multiplied by how many channels that person is in multiplied by how many people do it. |
| 17:30 | <Cruiser> | if its happening regularly, yes, its annoying, but thats rather rare in my experience |
| 17:30 | <jameswilson1> | makes sense |
| 17:30 | * | Guspaz is now known as Guspaz_pickingnose |
| 17:31 | <chesty> | this could take a while |
| 17:31 | <Peng> | * Guspaz is now known as Guspaz_rightnostril |
| 17:32 | <chesty> | where's going deeper, deeper into yor soul |
| 17:32 | <chesty> | we're |
| 17:33 | -!- | dobie_gillis is now known as dobie_gillis-drunk |
| 17:33 | <Peng> | The way to Guspaz's soul is through his nose? |
| 17:33 | <Guspaz> | The ancient Egyptians believed it was, didn't they? |
| 17:34 | <Musfuut> | The irc channels I have frequented seem tolerant of it also but I respect the rules here. It is worth noting I think the irc bouncer Bip sets the nickname to nick|away or some such when the person isn't physically connected, by default. I'd have to check that again though, I know it was an option, maybe it is off by default. And no, that doesn't make it right to do, I understand the reasoning. :) |
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| 17:35 | <chesty> | I think they used to pick out the brains through the nose, I didn't know they thought the nose was anything special |
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| 17:35 | <Guspaz> | Well, clearly the way to the brain was through the nose, anyhow :P |
| 17:36 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | anyway, i had a question about this step: http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/migration/migrate-server-to-linode#sph_copy-your-current-server-s-data |
| 17:36 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | i am booted into finnix recovery mode |
| 17:37 | <Musfuut> | What is your question dobie_gillis-drunk? |
| 17:37 | <Guspaz> | What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? |
| 17:37 | <@caker> | this one time |
| 17:37 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | and i'm having trouble rsyncing.. here is my error: http://dpaste.com/606280/ |
| 17:38 | <@caker> | fremont388.linode.com is the HOST of your Linode -- not your Linode itself. |
| 17:38 | <@caker> | you want root@<linode ip address> |
| 17:38 | <Guspaz> | this one time, at linode camp? |
| 17:38 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | yes, but if i do root@<linode ip>, it doesn't accept my root password |
| 17:39 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | and it wasn't even available to ssh to until i ran `/etc/init.d/ssh.finnix start` in the finnix console |
| 17:39 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | which isn't in the tutorial.. |
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| 17:43 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | oh wait, it is.. sorry |
| 17:43 | <dobie_gillis-drunk> | didn't read the whole tutorial |
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| 17:46 | <@Perihelion> | `·.,¸,.·*¯`·.,¸,.·*¯[;::;(｡◕‿‿◕｡) nyan nyan nyan |
| 17:47 | <Guspaz> | DAMN YOU NOW IT'S INSIDE MY HEAD AGAIN |
| 17:47 | <Kyhwana> | fao; |
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| 17:58 | <dobie_gillis> | alright so i've figured out how to transfer all my files :D |
| 17:58 | <dobie_gillis> | i have about 10gb that's gonna go through.. and my quota for the day is 6gb |
| 17:58 | <dobie_gillis> | what's gonna happen when i go over that? |
| 17:58 | <dobie_gillis> | will it just be pro-rated to my bill? |
| 17:59 | <@caker> | dobie_gillis: it's unlikely anything will happen with that little over |
| 18:00 | <Peng> | dobie_gillis: Overages are $0.15/GB. However, Linode typically doesn't charge for really small ones. |
| 18:02 | * | Kyhwana will see when he gets last months bill (it's not sep 1 here), he went 4GB over his 200GB quota |
| 18:03 | <BarkerJr> | linode does charge for really big ones |
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| 18:11 | * | Guspaz concocts an evil plan to get 1TB of free bandwidth by buying 100 TB of bandwidth a month and going over by 1TB every month and arguing it's only 1% over |
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| 18:15 | <tonyyarusso> | Guspaz: For an extra $10,000 per month, they might not mind. |
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| 18:50 | <Kyhwana> | http://torquebox.org/ hmm |
| 18:50 | <Peng> | Is that a box of Torx screwdrivers? |
| 18:54 | <Kyhwana> | nah, some ruby on rails thingy |
| 19:01 | -!- | gaandziaa [~b2b7e8e5@chat.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 19:01 | <gaandziaa> | Hi! |
| 19:02 | <linbot> | gaandziaa: hello |
| 19:02 | <gaandziaa> | I have 1 question: if Linode have any solution, app for mobile? I mean if I can manage domains via iPhone? |
| 19:02 | <Peng> | gaandziaa: Yes. |
| 19:02 | <Peng> | gaandziaa: http://www.linode.com/iphone/ |
| 19:02 | <@caker> | http://www.linode.com/iphone/ .. and there exist an android app or two out in the wild, too |
| 19:02 | <lsabota> | gaandziaa: http://www.linode.com/iphone/ |
| 19:02 | <gaandziaa> | Can I find more infos about this on your website? |
| 19:02 | <gaandziaa> | oooo, ok :D |
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| 19:02 | <gaandziaa> | thank you sooo much! :) |
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| 19:03 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Postfix SMTP not accepting authentication in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7665> |
| 19:05 | <Kyhwana> | hmm whats with people failing to setup postfix properly lately? |
| 19:05 | <@caker> | fail2verb |
| 19:05 | * | Kyhwana decimates caker |
| 19:05 | <mikegrb_> | mmm cake |
| 19:05 | <@Perihelion> | Step away from the cake. |
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| 19:08 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Domain Registrars in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7655> |
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| 19:09 | <Kyhwana> | I wonder if that EHCP guy fixed his box/usetp |
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| 19:11 | <akerl> | As a random aside, none of the networking hardware in Newark has exploded recently, has it? |
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| 19:12 | <HoopyCat> | only with love and unicorns |
| 19:12 | <akerl> | My networking config somehow managed to eat itself. Ugh |
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| 19:13 | <akerl> | I thought my node should pick up its v6 address without me having to do anything...? |
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| 19:13 | <dobie_gillis> | dang how do i quit emad |
| 19:14 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: should pick it up on a reboot. any iptables rules blocking ICMP? (and this isn't a CentOS machine, is it?) |
| 19:14 | <akerl> | Hells no to centos. One second, icmp shouldn't be blocked, checking |
| 19:15 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: just making sure it doesn't have Hardcoded HWADDR Syndrome |
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| 19:15 | <akerl> | HoopyCat: How would I check for that? |
| 19:15 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: are you running CentOS? |
| 19:15 | <akerl> | Nope |
| 19:16 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: then you don't have the hardware address hardcoded in /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-urm0m |
| 19:18 | <akerl> | No ip(6)tables rules, disabled all my networking configs, getting 0 ipv6 anything on reboot... And this node had ipv6 working before |
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| 19:21 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: hrm. tcpdump -n -i eth0 icmp6 should show some stuff, including a router advertisement to ff02::1 every few whiles |
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| 19:22 | <akerl> | For extra fun: "tcpdump: command not found", and of course I have no networking. |
| 19:23 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 19:23 | <Kyhwana> | lol |
| 19:24 | <HoopyCat> | akerl: no IPv4 either? |
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| 19:26 | <akerl> | What's the command to bring eth0 up? |
| 19:26 | <Peng> | akerl: Which distro? |
| 19:26 | <akerl> | arch |
| 19:26 | <@caker> | ifconfig eth0 ip.ad.dre.ss netmask 255.255.255.0; route add default gw ip.ad.dre.1 |
| 19:27 | <Musfuut> | Does anyone think running an irc leaf/node/sub-server on IPv6 exclusively is a wasted venture? |
| 19:27 | <akerl> | Ah hah! |
| 19:28 | <akerl> | "ip link set eth0 up" |
| 19:28 | <Peng> | Musfuut: Why not IPv4 too? |
| 19:28 | <@jed> | a leaf, yes |
| 19:28 | <@jed> | a hub, no |
| 19:28 | <akerl> | Now to find out why my netcfg wasn't bringing eth0 up at boot. |
| 19:29 | <Musfuut> | Peng: So that the leaf can be dropped if ddosed without the main server having to go down, since IPv4 are limited now. Was my rational for it, but it is ok to call me teh idiot too. :) |
| 19:30 | <Musfuut> | Oh and thanks jed :) |
| 19:33 | <alexhanh> | who should I talk to about a deal with linode for providing free hosting in return for linode ads on a site? |
| 19:33 | <@caker> | alexhanh: marketing@linode.com please |
| 19:33 | <alexhanh> | will do, ty |
| 19:33 | <Peng> | alexhanh: If you use the normal referral program, with luck, your hosting will work out to be free. |
| 19:35 | <Musfuut> | If I would have had cakers referal code I would have signed up with that as a thank you, but somehow I don't think he would benifit from it. ;) |
| 19:37 | <akerl> | Hurray for working networking! |
| 19:37 | <Peng> | !referral Musfuut |
| 19:37 | <linbot> | Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: http://linode.com/referrals/ ) |
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| 19:42 | <Musfuut> | Peng: ? |
| 19:42 | <Peng> | Musfuut: The referral code you asked for. |
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| 19:43 | <Musfuut> | Peng: Oh, no no. When I signed up I wish I had Cakers referal code. I'd have to delete my linode and remake one and even then that probably wouldn't work and wouldn't benefit caker is what I was saying. |
| 19:43 | <Peng> | Musfuut: Ah, ok |
| 19:44 | <Musfuut> | Peng: Thank you however :) |
| 19:44 | <skyfaller> | hi folks, I got a Linode alert saying I exceeded my notification threshold for disk io rate. I am too noobish to figure out what this means or how to diagnose what the problem is, any hints? |
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| 19:45 | <BarkerJr> | check the graphs in linode manager to see if there's a problem |
| 19:45 | <BarkerJr> | swap IO should be at or near zero. if not, you may be out of memory |
| 19:46 | <skyfaller> | BarkerJr: hm, it looks like I had a spike around 10am this morning? other than that it's below 10 blocks/sec |
| 19:46 | <skyfaller> | but for that one moment it went over 100 |
| 19:46 | <BarkerJr> | I wouldn't worry about it then |
| 19:47 | <skyfaller> | is there any way to tell what caused it? |
| 19:47 | <BarkerJr> | you could check /var/log/messages if you want to see if anything got logged at that time |
| 19:47 | <akerl> | skyfaller: Check your logs? |
| 19:47 | <BarkerJr> | if you ran out of memory and the kernel killed something, it should say in there |
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| 19:48 | <akerl> | A better option is to run munin or similar, so you can see what things look like with finer control than the linode graphs |
| 19:48 | <akerl> | skyfaller: Are you running apache? php? mysql? |
| 19:48 | <skyfaller> | akerl: I'm running all 3 |
| 19:48 | <akerl> | mod_prefork? |
| 19:49 | <skyfaller> | ... hm, my /var/log/messages file appears to be empty |
| 19:50 | <skyfaller> | akerl: what about mod_prefork? |
| 19:50 | <akerl> | Are you running it? |
| 19:50 | <akerl> | Unless you specifically remember configuring fastcgi or similar for php, you're running prefork. |
| 19:50 | <skyfaller> | OK, I'm probably not running it then |
| 19:51 | <akerl> | Probably not running prefork? |
| 19:51 | <skyfaller> | yes, probably not running mod_prefork... how do I check? |
| 19:51 | <skyfaller> | I just apt-get installed munin |
| 19:51 | <akerl> | skyfaller: Did you configure fastcgi or fcgid or similar for your php sites? |
| 19:51 | <skyfaller> | I don't think so, I just did a basic Wordpress install |
| 19:52 | <akerl> | Then you're running prefork |
| 19:52 | <skyfaller> | ah, ok |
| 19:52 | <akerl> | What's your MaxClients in your apache config, in the prefork section? |
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| 19:53 | <skyfaller> | hm, looking at apache2.conf, not finding it right away |
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| 19:54 | <skyfaller> | oh, there it is |
| 19:54 | <skyfaller> | MaxClients 150 |
| 19:54 | <skyfaller> | it seems unlikely that I would have had ... over 150 users at once? |
| 19:54 | <akerl> | Put that at 15 or so |
| 19:55 | <skyfaller> | ok, what does that do? |
| 19:55 | <akerl> | That means that apache can spin up 150 processes max, each with php in it. |
| 19:55 | <skyfaller> | oh, that sounds like a lot |
| 19:55 | <skyfaller> | why would it do that? |
| 19:55 | <akerl> | Which will burn all the ram and swap your server ever dreamed of having |
| 19:55 | <akerl> | Because that's how mod_prefork works. Each apache process gets its own php |
| 19:56 | <skyfaller> | what causes apache to make new processes? A person visiting the site? |
| 19:57 | <akerl> | Yes |
| 19:57 | <skyfaller> | hm... I'm still puzzled why it would have spiked this morning then, I don't see any evidence of a sudden influx of traffic |
| 19:58 | <bob2> | http://kernel.org/#news |
| 19:58 | <akerl> | Basically, Client in that sense equals a simultaneous connection. So if 150 people load a page simultaneously, it will spawn 150 processes. More than that, and the requests will queue |
| 19:58 | <Tea> | Oooh my drama at kernel.org |
| 19:58 | <kenyon> | skyfaller: do you do your own backups or anything like that scheduled at that time? |
| 19:59 | <skyfaller> | kenyon: no, all I have is a few Wordpress installs |
| 19:59 | <Kyhwana> | so uh, how about that kernel.org being compromised, huh? |
| 19:59 | <Tea> | All your kernels are belong to us |
| 19:59 | <skyfaller> | ... wow, that sounds scary |
| 20:00 | <@jed> | can't really do anything though |
| 20:01 | <@jed> | they're being a bit disingenuous saying 'git spared us', though, since kernel.org distributes full tarballs and that's what most people get, I'd assume |
| 20:02 | <Tea> | You'd still notice code changes in the branches that make up those tarballs |
| 20:02 | <linbot> | New news from forums: [ Poll ] Linode vs. TOR and internet privacy in Customer Testimonials <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7328> |
| 20:02 | <Tea> | So you could easily pull a tarball and warn people that it's been tampered with |
| 20:03 | * | akerl stabs glg |
| 20:03 | <mumphster> | hey i was wondering about that a while back |
| 20:03 | <Tea> | Some git tampered with my tarball! grep him immediately! |
| 20:03 | <mumphster> | if you guys were to give out my information to the fbi/ secret service would you notify me after the fact/ |
| 20:03 | <bob2> | Tea: well they can now, but it dopesn't help the thousands of tarball downloaders over the past month |
| 20:03 | <Tea> | Very true |
| 20:03 | <Peng> | ...Most of the tarballs predate git too. |
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| 20:04 | <mumphster> | because about a year ago they came to my house after i assume contacting linode and getting my info |
| 20:04 | <mumphster> | unless they got it some other way |
| 20:04 | <akerl> | ?? |
| 20:04 | <bob2> | mumphster: in the Great Freedom that is the USA, the fbi hands out National Security Letters that threaten to imprison caker if he does! |
| 20:04 | <akerl> | mumphster: What's your domain? |
| 20:04 | <mumphster> | i forget what it was back then |
| 20:04 | <mumphster> | some domain thats gone now |
| 20:04 | <Kyhwana> | "I'm impressed at the level of professionalism displayed by the Linode employees you communicated with. If I were caker, I'd be very proud. " |
| 20:04 | <Kyhwana> | are you proud, caker? |
| 20:05 | <akerl> | mumphster: Because domain registration is teh public |
| 20:05 | <mumphster> | im just wondering if linode were the ones to give out my information |
| 20:05 | <mumphster> | ya but i dont think they even tracked it by domain just ip address |
| 20:05 | <mumphster> | since it came from a tweet a bot i had hosted on my linode |
| 20:05 | <akerl> | ip address goes to rdns goes to domain goes to personal info |
| 20:05 | <mumphster> | and they subponead.. cant spell that.. twitter |
| 20:05 | <Kyhwana> | mumphster: if they did, they wouldn't be able to tell you. ou need to bitch about congress passing bullshit unconstitutional laws that give the FBI/NSA/etc unlimited power |
| 20:05 | <akerl> | mumphster: What did they come after you for? |
| 20:05 | <mumphster> | i had a bot that sent things to twitter and some idiots made death threats to obama |
| 20:05 | <akerl> | Kyhwana: Rant much? |
| 20:05 | <dr_jkl> | asdf |
| 20:06 | <Kyhwana> | s/about/at |
| 20:06 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: true tho :P |
| 20:06 | <Kyhwana> | oh hai dr_jkl |
| 20:06 | <akerl> | "Unlimited power" <-- not true |
| 20:06 | <mumphster> | but ya i was just wondering |
| 20:06 | <bob2> | lordy |
| 20:06 | <Tea> | mumphster: You got visited by the FBI over a Twitter bot? |
| 20:06 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: well, "unlimited power" like how telecos sell "unlimited plans", right? ;) |
| 20:07 | <mumphster> | Tea: secret service |
| 20:07 | <dr_jkl> | remember sun tsu |
| 20:07 | <dr_jkl> | power corrupts. absolute power corrupts absolultely |
| 20:07 | <Tea> | mumphster: That's not stupid at all. |
| 20:07 | <Tea> | I hope they didn't tell you to pay for their time. |
| 20:07 | <bob2> | but for people using xfs in fremont, lack of power corrupts files |
| 20:07 | <Musfuut> | Kyhwana: I think Linode is free to disclose that they disclosed information, as long as not told specifically not to disclose that. However I'm not a lawyer. |
| 20:07 | <linbot> | New news from forums: tomcat 6 help in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7661> |
| 20:08 | <mumphster> | they just came and asked me a few questions and .. not joking.. asked if i watched fox news |
| 20:08 | <mumphster> | then searched my house for anti obama shit and left |
| 20:08 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: the three lettered agencies can force linode to not disclose that they disclosed stuff via some warrentless "national security letter" |
| 20:08 | <Kyhwana> | So you'd never know |
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| 20:08 | <Kyhwana> | mumphster: DO you watch fox news? |
| 20:08 | <akerl> | Kyhwana: Link to that legislation? |
| 20:08 | <mumphster> | i do not lmbo |
| 20:08 | <mumphster> | it was a bit surreal though |
| 20:08 | <mumphster> | had to explain to them what irc was |
| 20:09 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: it's in the patriot act.. uh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Letter |
| 20:09 | <kenyon> | why IRC? thought it was twitter |
| 20:09 | <mumphster> | it was an irc bot that sent tweets |
| 20:09 | <Kyhwana> | They require no probable cause or judicial oversight. They also contain a gag order, preventing the recipient of the letter from disclosing that the letter was ever issued. The gag order was ruled unconstitutional as an infringement of free speech, in the Doe v. Ashcroft case.[2] |
| 20:09 | <mumphster> | that was hosted on my linode |
| 20:09 | <akerl> | "The gag order was ruled unconstitutional as an infringement of free speech, in the Doe v. Ashcroft case" |
| 20:09 | <dr_jkl> | Fox news is... ugh |
| 20:09 | <Musfuut> | Kyhwana: Right, but what I was saying is they have to tell the company to keep the secret it isn't secret by default, I don't think. But of course if the company has been told to keep it a secret they have to say they did not disclose information while if they didn't disclose information then they would say the same... |
| 20:09 | <mumphster> | and they forced twitter to hand over my information |
| 20:09 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: which doesn't stop them from using them |
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| 20:10 | <mumphster> | so that was kinda cool of twitter not just giving in |
| 20:10 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: yep |
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| 20:10 | <Kyhwana> | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/fbi-use-of-patriot-act-authority-increased-dramatically-in-2008/ |
| 20:10 | <Tea> | mumphster: Was the email on the bot's account with your domain? |
| 20:10 | <mumphster> | i was just curious though if linode had a part in givin them my address |
| 20:10 | <akerl> | Secretly the government is all run by aliens. |
| 20:11 | <mumphster> | pretty sure my linode didnt have a domain |
| 20:11 | <seanh-ansca> | awesome |
| 20:11 | <mumphster> | back then at least |
| 20:11 | <seanh-ansca> | sub 30 second ticket response |
| 20:11 | <bob2> | akerl: "until the district court ruling is reviewed, the secrecy procedures of the NSL remain in place." |
| 20:11 | <akerl> | seanh-ansca: That's slow |
| 20:11 | <mumphster> | food time~ |
| 20:11 | <seanh-ansca> | :D |
| 20:11 | <bob2> | akerl: admittedly uncitationed |
| 20:11 | <kenyon> | sounds like it was a legit thing to investigate, regardless of this patriot act discussion |
| 20:11 | <Musfuut> | I GOT IT, Linode should send the fbi 10,000 pages of single bits of information about members, for example first names. Then Linode can be free to tell all the customers some of their information was disclosed, connect this to an API, if at any time you query yourself and it says they have not disclosed information then you know the fbi told them to shut up. |
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| 20:12 | <Tea> | I'm English. Do the FBI still care about me? |
| 20:12 | <bob2> | Musfuut: http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt |
| 20:12 | <bob2> | Musfuut: 2slow |
| 20:12 | <akerl> | Tea: The USA runs the world. So, yea. |
| 20:12 | <Tea> | I have DOOM.WAD on my VPS so I'm wondering if I should reinforce my door |
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| 20:13 | <Kyhwana> | Tea: that would be the GCSB, I think. |
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| 20:16 | <Kyhwana> | Oh, GCHQ, GCSB is the NZ version |
| 20:16 | <@Perihelion> | Long thread is long |
| 20:16 | <@Perihelion> | D: |
| 20:17 | <akerl> | Perihelion: I give major props to the linode folks for letting it get as long as it has |
| 20:18 | <vraa> | i can max out my internet connection downoading from the london dc |
| 20:18 | <vraa> | i have 22mbps |
| 20:19 | <@Perihelion> | I keep smelling gasoline |
| 20:19 | * | caker lights a match |
| 20:19 | <@caker> | Perihelion: <3 |
| 20:20 | * | Perihelion runs into the office and rolls around in caker's office |
| 20:20 | <vraa> | bob2, rsync.net is awesome i use them for data and vps |
| 20:20 | <@caker> | files in rsync.net don't store file ownership, correct? |
| 20:21 | <bob2> | correct |
| 20:21 | <@caker> | thought so. |
| 20:21 | <bob2> | but: duplicity |
| 20:22 | <Kyhwana> | hrm |
| 20:22 | <Kyhwana> | is there any way to setup a ipv6 tunnel without root? |
| 20:22 | * | caker is setupping |
| 20:23 | * | Kyhwana setups caker |
| 20:23 | <kenyon> | http://notaverb.com/setup |
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| 20:23 | <bob2> | Kyhwana: does using a 0day count or not |
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| 20:23 | <akerl> | bob2: I don't see why it wouldn't |
| 20:23 | <Kyhwana> | bob2: no :| |
| 20:23 | <Kyhwana> | kenyon: decimate |
| 20:24 | <@caker> | Kyhwana: if tuntap perms are set correctly, they can be created without root .. not sure if that gets you anywhere. Next answer involves some suid scripts |
| 20:24 | <bob2> | Kyhwana: can you make root give you a tun or tap device |
| 20:24 | <bob2> | if so, you can do that |
| 20:24 | <Kyhwana> | kenyon: people use it incorrectly, so i'll keep using setup, thanks |
| 20:24 | <Kyhwana> | hrm |
| 20:24 | <akerl> | Kyhwana: That's horribly broken logic |
| 20:24 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: so? |
| 20:24 | <bob2> | STRIVE TO BE BETTER |
| 20:24 | <akerl> | ^ that |
| 20:25 | <@Perihelion> | There's gas all over my pants :< |
| 20:25 | <Kyhwana> | actually, if people can make decimate mean something else, then I can use setup the same way, right? |
| 20:25 | <akerl> | Who makes decimate mean something else? |
| 20:25 | <akerl> | The fact that people are stupid doesn't affect the dictionary, as far as I can tell. |
| 20:25 | <bob2> | Perihelion: what on earth are you doing |
| 20:26 | <vraa> | if i can get more than 100mbps from a speed test, that means i'm in the same DC right? |
| 20:26 | <bob2> | Kyhwana: decimate is now used as an allusion |
| 20:26 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: everyone |
| 20:26 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: to decimate something is to do 10% to something, but people use it as "they were decimated!" to mean "more than 10% of them were killed!" |
| 20:27 | <akerl> | Did you finish reading my above remark? |
| 20:27 | <Kyhwana> | oh, nope. ;) |
| 20:27 | <akerl> | The fact that people are stupid and misuse the word does not change the actual definition. |
| 20:27 | <Kyhwana> | But people bitch at me for bitching about them using decimate incorrectly.. |
| 20:27 | <akerl> | Get new friends. |
| 20:27 | <Kyhwana> | The only time i've actually heard it used properly is on a Dr Who episode where the Master tells his buddies to go decimate the population. |
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| 20:28 | <Kyhwana> | (Which they do, that is, killing 10% of them) |
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| 20:29 | <bob2> | Kyhwana: anytime it looks like I misused 'decimate', it's just that I use a different numeric base to you |
| 20:29 | <@Perihelion> | bob2: Failing at filling up apparently |
| 20:30 | <bob2> | Perihelion: stop irc'ing until you have correctly filled your car |
| 20:30 | <@Perihelion> | I already filled up/came home |
| 20:30 | <Kyhwana> | -.- |
| 20:32 | <boba> | !dict decimate |
| 20:32 | <linbot> | boba: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: decimate v 1: kill one in every ten, as of mutineers in Roman armies 2: kill in large numbers; "the plague wiped out an entire population" [syn: {eliminate}, {annihilate}, {extinguish}, {eradicate}, {wipe out}, {carry off}]; gcide: Decimate \Dec"i*mate\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. {Decimated}; p. pr. & vb. n. {Decimating}.] [L. decimatus, p. p. of decimare to (3 more messages) |
| 20:32 | <bob2> | snap |
| 20:33 | <bob2> | sif wordnet would lie to you |
| 20:33 | <TIBS01> | Word: decimate |
| 20:33 | <TIBS01> | Definitions: |
| 20:33 | <TIBS01> | Verb: Kill one in every ten, as of mutineers in Roman armies |
| 20:33 | <TIBS01> | Verb: Kill in large numbers |
| 20:34 | <bob2> | slowest bot ever |
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| 20:40 | <Tea> | ugh Linode bill's due |
| 20:40 | <Kyhwana> | hehe |
| 20:40 | <Kyhwana> | yay, quota reset |
| 20:41 | <mikegrb_> | mmm cake |
| 20:41 | <Tea> | Gotta go hungry, no cake |
| 20:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: From Shared To Linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7658> |
| 20:43 | <Kyhwana> | uh oh, wordpress! |
| 20:44 | <bob2> | HAPPY INVOICE DAY |
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| 20:44 | <Kyhwana> | nooo, not cpanel! |
| 20:44 | <Kyhwana> | oh, he said he struggled without cpanel |
| 20:44 | <Kyhwana> | whew |
| 20:45 | * | HoopyCat struggled with cPanel, but eventually emerged victorious |
| 20:46 | <Kyhwana> | by victorious you mean you destroyed cpanel? |
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| 20:53 | <HoopyCat> | with fire |
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| 20:55 | <Solver> | APNIC conf has interesting talks on disasters today |
| 20:56 | <Solver> | being streamed pubically as I noted yesterday |
| 20:56 | <bob2> | are you on a junket atm? |
| 20:56 | <Solver> | I usually get to go to APNIC conferences but not this time - watching from the office |
| 20:56 | <bob2> | ah |
| 20:57 | <bob2> | brisbane hq? |
| 20:57 | * | Solver works for APNIC |
| 20:57 | <Solver> | yep |
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| 20:57 | <@Perihelion> | Solver: Wanna gimme some IPs? |
| 20:57 | <Kyhwana> | Solver: I can has IPv4s? |
| 20:57 | <Solver> | http://meetings.apnic.net/32 |
| 20:58 | <Nivex> | Destination::IPv6 I like |
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| 20:58 | <Solver> | Kyhwana: bwhahah :) |
| 20:59 | <ajmitch> | Solver: that's a yes then? |
| 20:59 | <Kyhwana> | Solver: you can't hook a bro up with some matesrates v4s? ;) |
| 20:59 | * | Solver only helps run the systems - no power to allocate regretably |
| 20:59 | <@Perihelion> | FEED ME IPv4S |
| 21:00 | <ajmitch> | we should all be on ipv6 now anyway |
| 21:00 | <pronto> | i'm a 150 trilliionare :D http://imgur.com/LzU2P http://imgur.com/ijNEG |
| 21:00 | <Solver> | Kyhwana: all new APNIC (and existing) members are entitled to a /22 allocation from the final /8 :) |
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| 21:01 | <ajmitch> | Solver: there's the small details of APNIC membership costing a bit |
| 21:01 | <Solver> | details details :) |
| 21:01 | <bob2> | pfft only NZD90000000 |
| 21:02 | <ajmitch> | so where can we buy ipv4 addresses on the grey market? |
| 21:03 | <ajmitch> | it can be the next new tech bubble |
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| 21:23 | <Xoraster> | fhilks. I have a quiest |
| 21:23 | <Xoraster> | question |
| 21:23 | <Xoraster> | who's on. |
| 21:23 | <bob2> | !ask |
| 21:23 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
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| 21:25 | <Xoraster> | I have a number of domains I'm planning on consolidating onto one host service. to save $. how complicated is it to set up 3-4 domains on a host and will I only pay for the cost of one dedicated node? |
| 21:25 | <akerl> | Easy, and yes |
| 21:25 | <Daevien> | one node assuming your node can handle the traffic requirements, the rest depends on your skill as an admin with linux |
| 21:25 | <Xoraster> | gotcvha. |
| 21:26 | <Daevien> | if you are asking, i'm guessing you are fairly new. i suggest looking into a stackscript and/or refer you to the library, http://library.linode.com/ |
| 21:26 | <Daevien> | lots of guides on how to setup stuff there |
| 21:26 | * | akerl recommends that new users avoid stackscripts |
| 21:26 | <Xoraster> | yeah. I'd want a lamp server. cool. |
| 21:26 | <Xoraster> | you have any SUSE users? |
| 21:27 | <Daevien> | your best bet is to look over the guides, if you aren't sure which one will do what you want, describe your setup needs here and we can try to help |
| 21:27 | <Daevien> | !ops |
| 21:27 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/ |
| 21:27 | <bob2> | http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#which-distributions-do-you-offer |
| 21:27 | <Daevien> | there are some suse users, they aren't as common though |
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| 21:28 | <Daevien> | the channel here is pretyt helpful most of the time, but as most of us don't get paid by linode and linode is unmanaged vps, the staff will try but aren't obligated to guide you through every step either. long as you do try to do the setup and give us proper info, someone here will generally try to help iron out issues |
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| 21:28 | <Xoraster> | well thanks guys. |
| 21:29 | <Xoraster> | I'll be back with some more substantial questions. |
| 21:29 | <Daevien> | give us vague info and we tend to get sarcastic :p |
| 21:29 | <bob2> | also suse is extremely rare amongst the irc regulars |
| 21:29 | <Xoraster> | its the um. nature. of the community. |
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| 21:29 | <Xoraster> | franjkly I'm surprised you use irc at all. |
| 21:30 | <Daevien> | the linode community is better than most, we jsut see many users without a clue that give us vague things like: it doesn't work. um, ok, how about what doesn't work and what does the log say? :p |
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| 21:30 | <Xoraster> | no doubt. thats the nature of newbs. |
| 21:30 | <Daevien> | yeah, to be honest runnign suse will get you less help here as bob2 said. majority of the people here run debian/ubuntu/centos with some arch users kicking around as well |
| 21:30 | <akerl> | Did somebody say arch? |
| 21:30 | * | Daevien kicks a random archlinux user |
| 21:31 | * | akerl runs out of his cave |
| 21:31 | <Daevien> | see? knew he'd show up :p |
| 21:31 | <bob2> | Daevien: arch users are self-kicking |
| 21:31 | <Daevien> | bob2: good point ;) |
| 21:31 | <Daevien> | there are a few gentoo users as well, but suse is pretty uncommon to be mentioned in here |
| 21:31 | <Xoraster> | SUSE rocks. whats a matter w you folks. |
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| 21:32 | <Xoraster> | <Xoraster works for Novell. he has to say that. |
| 21:32 | <Daevien> | suse is more popular with EU people and more of the regulars tend to be us/canadian |
| 21:32 | <Xoraster> | noi doubt that is why its developed in neurembuerg |
| 21:32 | <Daevien> | i don't mind suse, but its one of the distros i've used the least that i have any experience with |
| 21:33 | <Daevien> | i downloaded the iso a couple months ago to throw on a local VM but never got that far even heh |
| 21:33 | <Xoraster> | but thanks. I guess I'll poney up the 20 bucks and dig in. |
| 21:33 | <Daevien> | :) |
| 21:34 | <Daevien> | long as you take yoru time in moving your sites Xoraster, it's easy to try and redeploy with linode |
| 21:34 | <Daevien> | so if you breka something, just nuke it and restart in a couple mins |
| 21:35 | <Daevien> | hey akerl... i'm actually using a rolling release distro on this laptop right now :p |
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| 21:35 | <akerl> | Which one? |
| 21:35 | <Xoraster> | Well. Its one I want to move, and the other I just want to set up quickly. |
| 21:35 | <Daevien> | Sabayon |
| 21:36 | <Xoraster> | well a few I need to set up. |
| 21:36 | <akerl> | That's arch based, isn't it? |
| 21:36 | <Daevien> | nah, gentoo |
| 21:36 | <JoeK> | mcdonalds is arch based |
| 21:36 | <akerl> | Ah |
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| 21:36 | <Daevien> | JoeK: funniest thing i've see you say yet :p |
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| 21:36 | <Daevien> | akerl: it runs entropy instead of emerge, not too bad of a package manager from what i've seen so far. ran it on a vm on other laptop |
| 21:36 | <akerl> | maku`off: Recommending you fix that |
| 21:36 | <JoeK> | mcdonalds, like all arch based products, are bloated |
| 21:37 | <Daevien> | this laptop had to be reformatted anyway, some funky driver installs that went bad, so i decided to try it |
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| 21:37 | <Daevien> | JoeK: arch isn't bloated unless you screw up :p |
| 21:37 | <boba> | mcdonalds portions seem tiny every time i visit these day |
| 21:37 | <JoeK> | i must be doing it wrong |
| 21:37 | <boba> | s |
| 21:37 | <boba> | wonder if my eyes are getting bigger :p |
| 21:38 | <Daevien> | JoeK: arch is much closer to my roots in slackware linux. you pretty much pick what goes on your system |
| 21:38 | <Daevien> | boba: nope, your stomach is though if you eat there much prob :p |
| 21:38 | <boba> | ha yeah |
| 21:39 | <Daevien> | breaking my ankle was a hell of a way to do it, but i haven't drank pop (soda for you picky people that call it that) besides two times... in 2 months |
| 21:39 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 21:39 | <JoeK> | lol, pop |
| 21:39 | <Daevien> | rough way to break the cycle of fast food that i was already working on, but it worked :p |
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| 21:40 | <iggy> | it's all coke |
| 21:41 | <Musfuut> | no, pepsi... >_> |
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| 21:41 | <JoeK> | pepsi > coke anyday |
| 21:42 | <Daevien> | dr pepper / mountain dew (mt dew is sadly caffeine free in canada *sigh*) |
| 21:42 | <iggy> | we even call pepsi coke here for some reason |
| 21:42 | * | Musfuut high fives JoeK |
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| 21:49 | <mshuler> | Dew w/o caffeine? That is sacrilege. |
| 21:49 | <Daevien> | mshuler: due to laws about only colas allowed to have it since the 50s |
| 21:49 | <Daevien> | it was overturned last year i think but i haven't heard anything about them introducing the caffeine version here |
| 21:50 | <Musfuut> | Just add ya own caffeine |
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| 21:51 | <bob2> | mt dew seems to be caffeine free everywhere but usa |
| 21:51 | <mshuler> | I used to be able to get soda in San Antonio that was imported from Mexico - cane sugar, instead of HFCS |
| 21:51 | * | mshuler misses only a few things about living in large cities.. food variety is #1 |
| 21:51 | <Daevien> | mshuler: pepsi throwback is done that way |
| 21:52 | <Daevien> | and there was a mtn dew ver i think in the us, in canada around here anyway, i just saw the pepsi throwback |
| 21:52 | <mshuler> | pepsi has always been a bit too sweet for me - more of a classic coke kinda guy |
| 21:52 | <mshuler> | now if I could find someone that has RC Cola.. mmm.. |
| 21:52 | <Daevien> | i prefer pepsi but ended up drinking coke last year or so just cause it was cheap at work |
| 21:53 | <Daevien> | but then again, i've now almost completely cut out any of it :p |
| 21:54 | <Musfuut> | I love pepsi throwback, always have a case on hand |
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| 21:55 | <Andrew> | why does my linode control panel say 32GB monthly transfer, but I purchased 200GB? |
| 21:56 | <squircle> | Andrew: is that how much you've already used? |
| 21:56 | <bob2> | Andrew: because you signed up on like the 29th |
| 21:56 | <Kyhwana> | Andrew: when did you buy your linode? |
| 21:56 | <bob2> | Andrew: so you get 2/31*200 |
| 21:56 | <Andrew> | Transfer/mo: 32 GB |
| 21:56 | <Andrew> | Incoming: 988 MB |
| 21:56 | <Andrew> | Outgoing: 343 MB |
| 21:57 | <Andrew> | Total: 1.30 GB |
| 21:57 | <Kyhwana> | Andrew: yes, when did you sign up? |
| 21:57 | <Daevien> | Andrew: prorating. you signed up late in the month, it flips over with new month to full amount |
| 21:57 | <Andrew> | less than a week ago |
| 21:57 | <Kyhwana> | Andrew: see above answers |
| 21:57 | <bob2> | there you go |
| 21:57 | <Andrew> | ok cool |
| 21:57 | <boba> | !linodeatemycash |
| 21:57 | <linbot> | All charges are prorated for the current billing cycle. If you sign up after the 20th of the month, your account will be billed for the time left in the current month, plus the full amount of the next month. On the first of the next month, you will be billed the normal monthly cost of your Linode(s). |
| 21:57 | <bob2> | haha |
| 21:57 | <bob2> | nice |
| 21:57 | <Daevien> | :p |
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| 21:57 | <Kyhwana> | !linuxatmyram |
| 21:57 | <Kyhwana> | fail |
| 21:57 | <Kyhwana> | !linuxatemyram |
| 21:57 | <linbot> | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ |
| 21:58 | <Andrew> | so you bill me for 40 days when I start |
| 21:58 | <Andrew> | and then 30 days per month after? |
| 21:58 | <Daevien> | yeah |
| 21:58 | <Kyhwana> | 4 days and then a month, yes |
| 21:58 | <Andrew> | cool |
| 21:58 | <Daevien> | all biling is done on the first of the month |
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| 21:58 | <bob2> | except for your first month |
| 21:58 | <bob2> | which happens on signup |
| 21:59 | <Andrew> | lame |
| 21:59 | <Andrew> | chrome covers the chat text box |
| 22:00 | <Daevien> | the webchat is ok for quick stuff but if you really want to irc, best to get a real client |
| 22:00 | <Andrew> | yeah |
| 22:00 | <Andrew> | too bad you guys aren't on irc.freenode.net |
| 22:00 | <Andrew> | but it is cool that you have a channel |
| 22:00 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 22:00 | <bob2> | lol |
| 22:01 | <bob2> | Andrew: that is not an accident |
| 22:01 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 22:01 | <Kyhwana> | lol |
| 22:02 | <Peng> | Andrew: No, it's too bad everybody else is on Freenode. |
| 22:02 | <Daevien> | it's easy enough with most clients to add oftc as well :p |
| 22:02 | <rlankfo> | any good tutorials in the library on x11 forwarding? |
| 22:02 | <Peng> | "Outgoing: 99.9 GB" OK what do I do to hit 100? |
| 22:02 | <Daevien> | Peng: download ubuntu iso or something |
| 22:02 | <Daevien> | :p |
| 22:03 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 22:03 | <Andrew> | lol |
| 22:03 | <Peng> | I'm not gonna do something blatantly wasteful. |
| 22:03 | <Peng> | Oh wait. |
| 22:03 | <Daevien> | Peng: sure you will |
| 22:03 | <Peng> | SSH proxy + YouTube! Duh. |
| 22:03 | <Daevien> | rlankfo: prob, dont have a link right off though. library has a search |
| 22:04 | <Daevien> | see? youtube = blatantly wasteful |
| 22:04 | <Kyhwana> | rlankfo: man ssh? :P |
| 22:04 | <Kyhwana> | and then run an X server locally |
| 22:05 | <Peng> | Daevien: No, YouTube is fun. It's not a *pure* transfer waste. |
| 22:05 | <Peng> | Daevien: wget -O /dev/null on an Ubuntu ISO would be. |
| 22:05 | <Daevien> | as woudl trying to get over 100gb just for kicks? |
| 22:06 | <Peng> | Daevien: Yeah, but I'm trying to do it in a justifiable way. |
| 22:07 | <Daevien> | my local isp would be happy to see me only do 100gb. unlimited 20mbit down (though only 1mbit up, bleh) cable that i use & abuse |
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| 22:08 | <Daevien> | oh, security note. apparently kernel.org got exploited and openssh files tampered with at least :( |
| 22:08 | <bob2> | 2slow |
| 22:09 | <Daevien> | i had no power for hours earlier, bite me :p |
| 22:09 | <Kyhwana> | [img-timeline] |
| 22:09 | <Kyhwana> | Even /. has posted about it! |
| 22:11 | <auraka> | Daevien: thats what you get for touching....your linode |
| 22:12 | <auraka> | Peng: please don't do that for fun...I run ubuntu mirrors and bw costs money :-/ |
| 22:13 | <Daevien> | auraka: i lost power at my apartment, not my linode :p |
| 22:14 | * | Daevien waits for the fremont joke |
| 22:14 | <vraa> | i just realized anothre vps i have, same price as 512mb linode, only has 256mb |
| 22:14 | <dcraig> | maybe it's burstable to 512 |
| 22:14 | <Kyhwana> | fail |
| 22:14 | <vraa> | its burstable to 2gb, but what does that mean |
| 22:14 | <auraka> | or maybe he is taking it up the backplane |
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| 22:14 | <dcraig> | :D |
| 22:14 | <vraa> | how do i burst it |
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| 22:15 | <Peng> | auraka: Right. I wouldn't do that. |
| 22:15 | <Daevien> | vraa: it means it sucks cause it's an openvz prob vps |
| 22:15 | <auraka> | vraa: cancel it...order another linode....bursted to 512 insantly |
| 22:15 | <vraa> | yeah it's openvz |
| 22:15 | <auraka> | instantly |
| 22:15 | <vraa> | i can't cancel it i already prepaid for 1 year |
| 22:15 | <auraka> | oooo....*shudder* |
| 22:15 | <Musfuut> | omg guess what topic, just had a reply? :3 |
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| 22:16 | <Daevien> | there are a lot, could be any? |
| 22:16 | <auraka> | Daevien: your apartment probably has better power |
| 22:16 | <Daevien> | auraka: not today. had to get power company out to replace something, not sure exactly what. took out the whole street |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | vraa: i believe the swap is the burst |
| 22:17 | <rlankfo> | alright it works... xming is sick! |
| 22:18 | <auraka> | HoopyCat speaks the truth |
| 22:18 | <vraa> | my swap is 0/0 |
| 22:18 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: something to do with cpanels? |
| 22:18 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 22:18 | <vraa> | according to htop i mean. so i think i have no bursting ram lol |
| 22:18 | <auraka> | this time....watch out for him though |
| 22:18 | <auraka> | vraa: just do a free -m |
| 22:18 | <Solver> | vraa: cat /proc/user_beancounters |
| 22:19 | <Musfuut> | Kyhwana: No, not exactly... three letters, first letter T last R |
| 22:19 | <Solver> | vraa: within an openvz VE you can see the params for that VE |
| 22:19 | * | Daevien stabs Musfuut |
| 22:19 | <vraa> | free -m -- total 256, used 48, fre 207. |
| 22:19 | <auraka> | what does swap say |
| 22:19 | <Musfuut> | Daevien: I didn't bloody reply to it |
| 22:19 | <JoeK> | well you dont want blood on a reply, thats just mad |
| 22:20 | <Daevien> | you still mentioned it :p |
| 22:20 | <Musfuut> | Daevien: Take your bloody stab back ya wanker. I'm subscribed don't ya know, I got a notice, the bot is just being slow... |
| 22:20 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: oh that one |
| 22:20 | <vraa> | swap says 0 total, 0 used, 0 free. i did the beanconters, and i'm not sure which resource coressponds to ram |
| 22:21 | * | Daevien sighs. my fileserver still checking it's drives, sudden power outages suck. had saved up and was going to buy a ups for that system before i broke my ankle but that fund went up in smoke after 2 months :p |
| 22:21 | <Solver> | vraa: lots of them :) seruiously you need to read the docs for it to make sense |
| 22:21 | <Daevien> | Musfuut: even linbot is tired of the thread prob |
| 22:21 | <Kyhwana> | !tor |
| 22:21 | <vraa> | ha i see, thanks for the head start, i'll start googling |
| 22:21 | <Solver> | the way the openvz params interact is quite complex |
| 22:21 | <linbot> | go away Kyhwana |
| 22:21 | <Musfuut> | Daevien: Lies, tor thread is best thread, it keeps all the nuts out of the other threads. |
| 22:22 | <Solver> | there is a very nice doc that is produced - 300 odd pages that covers it well |
| 22:22 | <Kyhwana> | hehe |
| 22:23 | <Solver> | naturaly I can't remember the name of the doc :) |
| 22:24 | <Musfuut> | hmm this is odd |
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| 22:24 | <Musfuut> | for the past 4-5 hours there is a slow steady stream of data going out of my linode... this time I'm not running something in a terminal to burn it up |
| 22:25 | <BarkerJr> | bind? |
| 22:25 | <Kyhwana> | urmum? |
| 22:25 | <akerl> | Musfuut: What's your IP? |
| 22:26 | <Kyhwana> | akerl: lets send him more traffic |
| 22:26 | <BarkerJr> | let me nmap you |
| 22:27 | <Musfuut> | 66.228.50.214 |
| 22:27 | <Musfuut> | It is a small amount however perfectly steady and just started a few hours ago |
| 22:27 | <akerl> | Mailserver and webserver, right? |
| 22:28 | <Musfuut> | nods |
| 22:29 | <BarkerJr> | but no bind? |
| 22:29 | <Daevien> | did you setup external monitoring for uptime maybe? |
| 22:29 | <auraka> | okay...this whole tor thread....whats up with the eff tor story....was that the guy |
| 22:29 | <akerl> | netstat should show you existing network connections |
| 22:29 | <akerl> | auraka: What that which guy? |
| 22:30 | <Musfuut> | nope, no bind, no monitoring |
| 22:30 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: fire up tcpdump? |
| 22:30 | <BarkerJr> | it's just a flame thread |
| 22:30 | <Musfuut> | Kyhwana: ahhh, good idea |
| 22:33 | <Musfuut> | it stopped... |
| 22:34 | <Daevien> | Musfuut: iftop is another way to see what is creaitng traffic pretty quickly if you dont have anything else really going |
| 22:34 | <Musfuut> | It stopped right about when I mentioned it here |
| 22:34 | <Daevien> | Musfuut: akerl must have known you were on to him |
| 22:34 | <akerl> | :p |
| 22:35 | <Musfuut> | Thanks guys I'll remember all these things, I used to know them but then I guess I got stupid |
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| 22:42 | <Kyhwana> | haha |
| 22:43 | <Kyhwana> | Musfuut: smoked too much weed? |
| 22:43 | <BarkerJr> | I think the moral of the story is that if you can run tor on linode so long as you can guarantee linode won't get abuse emails for you. I've run tor on linode for years with no tickets or anything |
| 22:43 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 22:43 | <Musfuut> | lol, I wish I could blame something like that, more likely being lazy and getting too comfortable |
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| 22:49 | <Peng> | OK, definitely done 100.0 GB now. |
| 22:49 | <Peng> | YouTube <3 |
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| 22:50 | <linbot> | New news from forums: php-fpm, nginx, https 502 error/white pages in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7666> |
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| 22:57 | <vraa> | i was told i dont have access to something like /dev or something, whta does linode use which makes things just work? |
| 22:57 | <linbot> | New news from forums: 2 Citadel email servers in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7651> |
| 22:57 | <vraa> | i've never had this much trouble with a vps before |
| 22:57 | <vraa> | i'm going to end up wasting a few more days and just spinning up another linode, i already know |
| 22:57 | <Daevien> | vraa: you still talking about your openvz? |
| 22:57 | <Kyhwana> | vraa: if you're root, you have access to /dev, whats the problem? |
| 22:57 | <Daevien> | openvz = fake vps, it uses shared kernel, jails, etc. it's a pain for a lot of stuff |
| 22:58 | <vraa> | yeah Daevien |
| 22:58 | <vraa> | Kyhwana, im not talking about linode |
| 22:58 | <Kyhwana> | oh, right |
| 22:58 | <Kyhwana> | It's how xen works, I believe. |
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| 22:59 | <mdudley> | Trying to make a self-signed cert on an Ubuntu 10.04 Linode, but can't figure out how to create the OpenSSL configuration file... can anyone point me in the right direction? |
| 22:59 | <Daevien> | xen & kvm are much better for virtualization than openvz in general |
| 22:59 | <Kyhwana> | mdudley: why do you need to create a openssl configuration file? |
| 22:59 | <Daevien> | http://library.linode.com/security/ssl-certificates/self-signed |
| 22:59 | <akerl> | mdudley: Why bother with the config file? Generate the cert, input the info manually |
| 23:00 | <Kyhwana> | http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt |
| 23:00 | <mdudley> | When I run the openssl command provided at the Linode how-to I get the message: "Unable to load config info from /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf" |
| 23:00 | <mdudley> | I've read through both those pages |
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| 23:01 | <Kyhwana> | er odd, sounds like there's something wrong with your openssl setup |
| 23:01 | <mdudley> | I didn't configure anything, it's straight out of the Ubuntu 10.04 image :-/ |
| 23:01 | <Peng> | mdudley: That file exists for me on a basically-pristine 10.04 node. |
| 23:01 | <mdudley> | I wonder what happened |
| 23:01 | <Daevien> | i think if you leave fields blank it can give you that error mdudley |
| 23:02 | <Kyhwana> | do a "find / | grep openssl.cnf" ? |
| 23:02 | <mdudley> | Only found a symbolic link at /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf |
| 23:02 | <Kyhwana> | that points to? |
| 23:02 | <mdudley> | Nothing |
| 23:02 | <mdudley> | er |
| 23:02 | <Kyhwana> | well, theres your problem |
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| 23:03 | <mdudley> | rather it points at /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf which does not exist |
| 23:03 | <mdudley> | And that is the configuration file I am trying to make |
| 23:03 | <@heckman> | Time to reinstall openssl I would imagine. |
| 23:03 | <mdudley> | OK I will try that |
| 23:03 | <Kyhwana> | apt-get install openssl ? or remove it and then reinstall? |
| 23:04 | <@heckman> | apt-get install --reinstall openssl |
| 23:04 | <@heckman> | or was it one '-', I always forget. |
| 23:04 | <@heckman> | Should be two. |
| 23:05 | <mdudley> | I ran "apt-get remove openssl" then "apt-get install openssl"... no openssl.cnf appeared. |
| 23:05 | <Kyhwana> | heckman: huh, didn't know about that |
| 23:06 | <mdudley> | Version 0.9.8k-7ubuntu8.6 btw |
| 23:06 | <@heckman> | I guess you could try to purge openssl, I always get wary purging things: apt-get purge openssl ; apt-get install openssl |
| 23:07 | <mdudley> | Thanks heckman :) purging and reinstalling seems to have worked |
| 23:08 | <@heckman> | Good stuff |
| 23:08 | <mdudley> | I'm wondering how it got screwed up though :-/ oh well |
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| 23:18 | <Kyhwana> | hmm, what time/timezone does the month tick over for billing? |
| 23:19 | <dwfreed> | heckman: thanks! :) |
| 23:19 | <@heckman> | np |
| 23:19 | <@Perihelion> | dwfreed: :( |
| 23:19 | <@heckman> | Kyhwana: in bout 40 minutes. |
| 23:19 | <dwfreed> | Perihelion: sorry, can't afford a linode anymore |
| 23:19 | <@Perihelion> | ;-; |
| 23:19 | <dwfreed> | Kyhwana: so whatever time the linode office has |
| 23:20 | <@heckman> | It's America/New_York time which varies between GMT-4 and GMT-5 (depending on the time of the year) |
| 23:20 | <@Perihelion> | 40 minutes! |
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| 23:20 | <Kyhwana> | cool, thanks |
| 23:22 | <dwfreed> | Heh, I used a total of 15GB during this month (Quota was 1470GB) |
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| 23:37 | <amitz> | test |
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| 23:38 | <ashridah> | hey there. i'm having connectivity problems with my linode. we got any known network issues to dallas, or is my linode broken? :) |
| 23:39 | <@Perihelion> | Can you pastebin an mtr report? |
| 23:40 | <@Perihelion> | !mtr |
| 23:40 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 23:40 | <ashridah> | oh, wait. it seems to have come back |
| 23:40 | <@Perihelion> | \o/ |
| 23:40 | <ashridah> | well, that was fun. |
| 23:40 | <@Perihelion> | Ha |
| 23:40 | <@Perihelion> | Phantom networking issues are the best |
| 23:40 | <snubby> | leeenodah eh @ Perihelion |
| 23:40 | <ashridah> | just dropped completely off the face of the earth for everyone using my mumble server for about 5-10 minutes |
| 23:40 | * | Perihelion slaps snubby around a bit with a large cactus |
| 23:41 | <ashridah> | anyway, no matter, i filed a ticket while it was down anyway, so it'll get looked at. |
| 23:41 | <ashridah> | later |
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| 23:42 | <amitz> | yeah, temporary hickup |
| 23:42 | <boba> | nya? |
| 23:42 | <@Perihelion> | nyan |
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| 23:42 | <amitz> | my dallas linode |
| 23:45 | <@caker> | my little pony |
| 23:46 | <Musfuut> | friendship is magic |
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| 23:51 | <@Perihelion> | I want a pony |
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| 23:52 | <@Perihelion> | I'd name it mittens |
| 23:53 | <snubby> | http://ponyvspony.com/ @ Perihelion |
| 23:54 | <@Perihelion> | :o |
| 23:55 | <Musfuut> | is the time on my linode synced to the rest of the linode system, i.e. 4:00:00 UTC will be rollover to the next month? |
| 23:56 | <Kyhwana> | wow, i've got two systems way off |
| 23:56 | <bob2> | hosts run ntp |
| 23:56 | <Kyhwana> | ones 16:03 ones 15:56 |
| 23:56 | <bob2> | whether that helps depends on your kernel version alas |
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| 23:57 | <auraka> | freaking a lion is unstable as well |
| 23:57 | <auraka> | hell |
| 23:57 | <mikegrb_> | lulz |
| 23:57 | <Musfuut> | Lol I ran date, then I look at it and it is 5 minutes off from my local machine time which is synced, prompting the question... I'm an idiot, I ran `date' 5 minutes prior to comparing it x_x |
| 23:58 | <bob2> | I've found lion to be ok |
| 23:58 | <auraka> | bob2: multiple browsers routinely crash on it |
| 23:58 | <bob2> | safari was crashy on sl and lion for me, but chrome seems pretty flawless nowadays |
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| 23:59 | <@jed> | prepare to give us MONEY |
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| 23:59 | <@Perihelion> | ! |
| 23:59 | <bob2> | haha |
| 23:59 | <Peng> | Musfuut: Newer deployments run should NTP by default; yours may or may not. |
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| 23:59 | <auraka> | bob2: chrome crashes pretty regularly on downloads |
| 23:59 | <bob2> | wish I could see the 42" plasma with the MOAR MONEY count on it |
| 23:59 | <@jed> | Insert coin to continue playing Linode. |
| 23:59 | <bob2> | auraka: ouch |
| 23:59 | <kerle> | linode mud but what is moo? |
| 23:59 | <@jed> | mud but what is moo? |
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