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---Logopened Wed Oct 05 00:00:10 2011
00:00<Foxog>Is paypal okay?
00:00<@heckman>We don't accept payments via Paypal.
00:00<amitz>i mean, srsly speaking, i guess it's more sensitive to not declare how cheap it is, since linode has international customers ;-)
00:00<Foxog>Yes
00:00<Foxog>How to create LAMP?
00:01<akerl>!library LAMP
00:01<linbot>akerl: 1. Set up a LAMP Server on Debian 5 (Lenny) - http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/debian-5-lenny | 2. Set up a LAMP Server on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/debian-6-squeeze | 3. Build a LAMP Server on a Linode - http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides
00:01<kyhwana>I love lamp
00:01<akerl>Lamps light my home
00:01<@heckman>fired
00:01<Foxog>LNMP down't
00:02<@heckman>akerl: all packed for the big move to Linodia?
00:02<Foxog>What do you think about LNMPA
00:02<Foxog>What do you think about LNMPA
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00:02<akerl>LNMPA?
00:02<Fieldy>N being what, nginx?
00:02<amitz>i mean, find out where someone is cooming from first before throwing that argument. anyway, i return to lurk mode now.
00:03<Foxog>Linux + Nginx + MySQL + PHP +Apache
00:03<akerl>heckman: the pod is 85% packed, I called today to get all the utilities set up for habitation
00:03<@heckman>sweetness
00:03<akerl>Meh @ nginx + apache
00:03<Fieldy>dunno i use lighttpd where at all possible
00:03<Foxog>Use apache for php, and nginx for HTMLs
00:03<akerl>For 95% of people, using multiple stacked web servers is overkill
00:04<Fieldy>sure is
00:04<akerl>Either properly configured apache or properly configured nginx (or insert other httpd) can handle all your content
00:04<praetorian>HTMLs!
00:04<Foxog>yes
00:04<Foxog>I think mod-php is better than Nginx;s
00:04<akerl>lulz
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00:05<Foxog>What CentOS mirror are you using
00:05<@heckman>Nginx doesn't have its own PHP execution module. You'd be using FastCGI or PHP-FPM.
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00:16<elkingrey>Can someone hook me up with the link to all of the cool Linode Banners?
00:16<@ericoc>http://linode.com/images/pr/
00:16<elkingrey>ty
00:16<@ericoc>np
00:17<Peng>There's a !pr too btw
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00:55*SelfishMan just wondered wtf pr was
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01:03<praetorian>SelfishMan: personal relationships
01:03<praetorian>node-on-node action
01:03<Peng>Porn, Ridiculous
01:03<SelfishMan>PICS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
01:03<Peng>No, wait Porn, Reptile.
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01:04<praetorian>damn you amazon 1 click
01:04<praetorian>just purchased a book in 2 clicks
01:04<Peng>*2* clicks?
01:05<praetorian>i had to login.
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01:06<praetorian>gotta go to work tomorrow :-(
01:06<thekev>I've got a fremont node that's only reachable like half the time
01:06<thekev>another node is fine
01:06<thekev>just me?
01:08<Solver>thekev: which DC is it in?
01:08<mdcollins>Have you tried mtr?
01:08<praetorian>there was a fremont outage yesterday, if you are referring to that btw
01:09<thekev>yeah last hop I see is ...
01:09<thekev>..and now it's back
01:10<mdcollins>This must be the accessable half.
01:10<thekev>I'm talking to you from a fremont node
01:10<thekev>this one is happy
01:10<Peng>thekev: File a ticket with an mtr showing brokenness.
01:11<thekev>linode-llc.10gigabitethernet2-3.core1.fmt1.he.net <- last
01:11<Peng>thekev: File a ticket, don't tell me. ;-)
01:11<Peng>Woah, Linode has a 10 Gbit connection?
01:11<thekev>01:08 < mdcollins> Have you tried mtr?
01:11<thekev>^responding to that
01:12<Peng>Ah.
01:12<praetorian>not everything is about you Peng
01:12<praetorian>:-)
01:12<mdcollins>Well, if it looks like a Linode issue, the ticket is your best bet to getting it fixed at this hour.
01:12<Peng>praetorian: My brain doesn't store backlog.
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01:13<praetorian>maybe you should buy some backlog from linsides
01:13<mdcollins>He works in the time of now, not the past.
01:13<Peng>I never look back!
01:13<mdcollins>It just wastes time!
01:13<praetorian>never say never!
01:13<Peng>Exactly.
01:14<thekev>my cpu graph shows 400%
01:14<thekev>before I issued a reboot
01:14<tyler11>anyone know whether its possible to use SNI with mod_vhost_alias?
01:14<praetorian>...ah is your linode OOMing?
01:15<thekev>hmm no
01:15<thekev>lassie is rebooting it
01:15<thekev>that's why it's coming after going
01:15<thekev>I can't keep on lish long enough to figure it out
01:16<Peng>What's lish's logview command say?
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01:17<@heckman>thekev: what's your LinodeID?
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01:18<thekev>kernel panic
01:18<thekev>123734
01:18<@heckman>Which kernel are you using?
01:18<thekev>2.6.39.1-x86_64-linode19
01:19<thekev>Starting xl2tpd: xl2tpd. * Starting Zabbix agent zabbix_agentd [ OK ]
01:19<thekev>BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000008
01:19<@heckman>Try switching to the "Latest 3.0" kernel to see if it's fixed.
01:20<@heckman>3.0.4-x86_64-linode21
01:20<thekev>yep, already ahead of ya
01:20<thekev>:)
01:21<@heckman>Good deal.
01:23<thekev>holding for a few mins so far
01:24<thekev>oh great, now I have an ec2 node dead too. lovin it.
01:24<@heckman>Sounds like time for a nice glass of scotch.
01:25<thekev>sure would be nice if I could get console on ec2 :)
01:25<thekev>but at least they don't buy transit from HE.net
01:26<thekev>...they just fail in their own epic ways
01:27<amitz>how to check uptime?
01:27<Peng>amitz: uptime
01:28<Peng>thekev: Amazon uses HE.
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01:30<thekev>route-views>show ip bgp 50.18.192.167 | inc 6939 6939 16509
01:30<thekev>well, indeed they do
01:30<thekev>barely
01:31<thekev>but they have /lots/ of other paths
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01:33<Peng>I didn't say they used HE *much*. :D
01:35<thekev>HE is good to have in the blend, but being single-homed to HE is like being single-homed to Cogent
01:35<thekev>actually, worse lately. I hope they're going to start replacing those old GSRs now. :)
01:36<Peng>It's not quite as bad as being single-homed to Cogent. They don't cause problems on *purpose*.
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01:36<thekev>truth!
01:39<Peng>Wait, did "They" in that sentence come off as HE or Cogent?
01:40<thekev>cogent
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01:44<Peng>Good.
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01:48<huma>who is running archlinux on linode? are you worried about pacman -Syu on production server? :)
01:48<Peng>People who worry about that don't use Arch on production servers, do they? :P
01:49<huma>yes, but i'm curious. maybe they never update :)
01:49<huma>i'm quite fond of archlinux on my home boxes, but... not sure about production linodes
01:50<@heckman>It does some weird things on my desktop that I need to figure out, but other than that I like Arch at home.
01:52<@heckman>I really need to switch back to Nvidia as ATi is funky with Linux.
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02:00<praetorian>ati sucks with linux
02:00<praetorian>their fault, not ours!
02:00<praetorian>what funky things is it doing for you?
02:00<@heckman>Video freaks out. Screen will go black for a bit, then come back, sometimes I lose all video.
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02:01<@heckman>I'll be going back to Nvidia shortly, so meh.
02:02<praetorian>nod
02:02<praetorian>my current card is fab.
02:02<praetorian>GeForce GTS 250
02:02<@heckman>Ouch
02:02<@heckman>I have my eyes on a 580.
02:02<praetorian>ah. i dont have much need for better (this card is a few years old)
02:02<praetorian>has dual dual-dvi output
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02:04<praetorian>my gaming PC's card is card these days too
02:04<praetorian>9800GX2 :-(
02:05<@heckman>My gaming card right now is a 5870. But it has its quirks. Poor air-cooling too, which sucks. So going back to Nvidia.
02:07<praetorian>ahh k
02:07<praetorian>http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/05/samsung-teases-next-weeks-unpacked-offers-a-momentary-glance/
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02:13<MrGlass>Hi. I set up my server ages ago, using an article in the library on setting up an ubuntu lamp server. I tried using a new framework today and it requires php 5.3, but I only seem to have 5.2. How can I upgrade to 5.3?
02:13<MrGlass>I tried using aptitude update/upgrade
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02:14<kyhwana>There's probably a PPA with updated php
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02:17<retro|blah>what version of ubuntu
02:18<retro|blah>lucid-updates has 5.3.2
02:19<MrGlass>its old, not sure what
02:24<retro|blah>hm. cat /etc/issue
02:24<MrGlass>9.10
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02:25<retro|blah>right, you should upgrade to 10.04 then
02:25<Peng>s/should/need to/
02:25<MrGlass>there a decent upgrade path?
02:25<MrGlass>somehow i dont think thqats a 3am project
02:26<kyhwana>hmm, yeah .10's aren't supposed for long..
02:29<Peng>MrGlass: The Linode library covers upgrading.
02:30<MrGlass>yeah
02:30<MrGlass>doin it now
02:30<MrGlass>might as well take it to newest
02:30<MrGlass>best way to take it to 10.4, then from there to 11?
02:30<retro|blah>probably best to take it to 10.04, then 12.04 when it comes out next year
02:31<retro|blah>10.04 is the long term release
02:31<MrGlass>k
02:31<MrGlass>sounds good
02:32<MrGlass>thanks
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03:00<Kane`>quick question, if i've backgrounded a program `sleep 100 &`, can i fire up `screen` and then resume/foreground that job?
03:05<kyhwana>no, but yes
03:05<kyhwana>hold on
03:05<kyhwana>https://github.com/nelhage/reptyr
03:05<kyhwana>use that
03:07<Kane`>there might be an easier solution to what i'm trying to do
03:07<Kane`>basically, i have SCP transferring some large files over to my server
03:07<Kane`>i don't want my SSH connection to my server to die and ruin the transfer
03:07<Kane`>so i backgrounded the job
03:07<Peng>Hmm, does scp delete half-complete files if it dies?
03:07<Kane`>then realised that wouldn't work if i got disconnected
03:08<kyhwana>oh right
03:08<Kane`>Peng, i'm not sure
03:08<kyhwana>use nohup blah &
03:08<kyhwana>or start it in a screen
03:08<Kane`>kyhwana, the job's already running though :<
03:08<bob2>protip, rsync, also use screen
03:08<Kane`>can i `nohup` an already running job?
03:09<chesty>Kane`: i believe with a little help from gdb, you can do what you want.
03:09<kyhwana>so use reptyr
03:09<kyhwana>and reattach to it inside a screen
03:09<praetorian>i agree re: rsync
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03:10<chesty>Kane`: you can kill your scp, start screen and resume it with rsync --partial
03:10<kyhwana>I've used reptyr before and it works
03:12<Kane`>i'll try out reptyr
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03:13<linbot>New news from wiki: Lish Documentation <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Lish_Documentation&diff=4399&oldid=prev>
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03:21<tts>does anyone know exactly what the xinetd-fail jail in fail2ban protects against? tried looking in online docs, not much there
03:22-!-azaghal_ is now known as azaghal
03:30*heckman has no idea
03:31<praetorian>there is one? hmm
03:32<@heckman>Maybe just misc services that use inetd for authentication? I doubt there are many, if any.
03:32<praetorian>probably.
03:32<kenyon>look at /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/xinetd-fail.conf
03:32<praetorian>failregex = xinetd(?:\[\d{1,5}\])?: FAIL: \S+ address from=<HOST>$
03:32<praetorian> xinetd(?:\[\d{1,5}\])?: FAIL: \S+ libwrap from=<HOST>$
03:32<praetorian>tcpwrappers ?
03:33<praetorian>http://old.nabble.com/Bug-461426%3A-fail2ban%3A-xinetd-FAIL-td14951835.html
03:33<kenyon>looks like it, according to the comments
03:34<praetorian>actually the comments say *exactly* what it does.
03:34<praetorian>why are we having this discussion :p
03:34<kenyon>why didn't he do what we did
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03:39<@mikegrb>lulz
03:39<tts>lol thx
03:41<tts>that was deceptively simple.
03:42<tts>so its my understanding that f2b works out of the box with sensible defaults by watching log files and doesnt need any extra configuration through the firewall, is that right?
03:43<kenyon>tts: on debian, for ssh, that's right. but only ssh.
03:43<tts>kenyon: ok, do you need to just manually add the jails for other filters (e.g. apache2)
03:44<tts>not jails chains*
03:44<kenyon>tts: probably just change enabled = false to enabled = true in /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf
03:44<tts>right did all that
03:44<kenyon>and make sure the other settings in there are correct for the jails you enable
03:44<tts>im just wondering if you need to configure the fw to do anything with f2b
03:45<tts>f2b didnt add any chains to my fw by default, should it have if i enabled like 6 jails?
03:46<dragonsd>i just migrated from fremont to dallas. how long do i have to wait for the site to be active?
03:46<dragonsd>i set TTL to 5min
03:46<@heckman>Have you issued the boot job and changed your DNS entries?
03:46<kenyon>tts: not sure, I only use the ssh and ssh-ddos jails, and the iptables chains were created automatically.
03:47<dragonsd>a/aaaa records?
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03:47<dragonsd>i booted it. so now i have entered the new ip into a/aaaa records?
03:48<tts>kenyon: hmm ok, looks like the chains are just named after the jails and are set to "exit always".
03:48<@heckman>dragonsd: When did you add the record and what is your domain?
03:48<kenyon>tts: yes, that's right. fail2ban will insert offenders to those chains.
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03:49<dragonsd>i just edited the previous record
03:50<dragonsd>movieswithbutter.com
03:52<@heckman>Our nameservers should be serving the new IPv4 address in about 9 minutes.
03:53<dragonsd>ok, so another 9 minutes, and i should be good?
03:54<@heckman>The name servers only pull record updates every quarter hour. If you updated your records around 3:49AM the next pull would be at 04:00AM. New records are usually served within a minute or two after that.
03:54<@heckman>Also, assuming all of your software is working with the new IPv4 address you should be good, yes.
03:56<dragonsd>ok, cool, thx.
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03:57<Alan>that's also assuming you don't have an obnoxious DNS cache in the way
03:57<@heckman>Well if the TTL was set to five minutes awhile ago then he should be good.
03:58<Alan>hopefully
03:58<Alan>I'm sure there's more than one ISP that ignores TTL
03:58<@heckman>Then that ISP has a BOFH.
03:58<Alan>not disputing that
03:58<@heckman>:p
03:58<Alan>I don't trust ISPs to run a worthwhile DNS service
03:59<@heckman>Google Public DNS has been nice to me.
03:59<Alan>not since mine persisted in "accidentally" hijacking a few obscure domains persistently for months
03:59<Alan>I've been using opendns at home
04:00<Peng>Linode runs a worthwhile DNS service. :>
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04:00<Peng>(and is an ISP)
04:00<Alan>wrong kind of ISP
04:00<Alan>:P
04:01<@ericoc>we're an internet service provider, but we don't really provide internet service?
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04:01<@ericoc>something like that
04:02<amitz>CSP
04:02<@ericoc>we do stuff
04:02<@ericoc>it involves the Internet
04:02<Alan>you don't provide internet to my house
04:02<@heckman>*stuff*
04:02<@ericoc>things
04:02<amitz>Cloud Service Provider
04:03<dragonsd>hmm...still not working
04:05<@heckman>DNS is resolving to 96.126.121.37 from here. I've not logged in to the backend to see if this is correct. :p
04:05<@ericoc>!dns movieswithbutter.com
04:05<linbot>ericoc: 96.126.121.37
04:06<Peng>Alan: Move into one of the data centers and they will. :)
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04:08<@heckman>On a related note, when hurricane Irene was barreling up the east coast I almost drove to the Newark D.C. to crash there, haha.
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04:09<dragonsd>now i get: "The requested URL / was not found on this server."
04:09<@heckman>Check your web server logs to determine what file/folder it's looking for. By chance did you specify your Linode's old IP in your web server's configuration?
04:10<Peng>You should grep /etc or maybe even / for the old IP.
04:10<Peng>heckman: Why didn't you drive there?
04:11<@heckman>Decided it was a good time to go visit family. I hadn't been back "home" in a few months.
04:12<Peng>Linode's servers aren't your new family? :D
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04:13<@heckman>I mean, I did bleed on/in some within the past few months.
04:13<@heckman>Sharp metal is sharp.
04:14<dragonsd>ok, yeah, was using old ip
04:16<@heckman>dragonsd: good stuff. Working now?
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04:20<Alan>Peng: awesome idea
04:21<Peng>Hmm...you've mentioned the family visit before. Now I feel guilty for forgetting.
04:21<dragonsd>yep, thx!
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04:21<dragonsd>although, intermittently slow
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04:49<chesty>http://animalsbeingdicks.com/post/11018722098 <-- apparently SpaceHob1 doesn't like his new enclosure
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05:00<SpaceHob1>chesty: but you asked me to shower you with poo!
05:01<AlexC_>g'morning
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05:09<chesty>chocolate rain
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05:14<linbot>New news from forums: restore backup on different linode in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7858>
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05:33<dragonsd>all of sudden i can't ssh into my linode
05:33<dragonsd>and i can't reach the site
05:33<kyhwana>login via lish?
05:33<rnowak>!login
05:33<linbot>login is not a verb - http://loginisnotaverb.com/
05:33*kyhwana decimates rnowak
05:35<kyhwana> /me setup rnowak the bomb
05:35<kyhwana>hrhr
05:35<encode>urmom is a verb
05:36*kyhwana uses setup on purpose now
05:37*kyhwana setup RAID1 on his new box using the ubuntu installer, which was a mistake as it blew away 2 out of 4 superblocks :(
05:39<kyhwana>dragonsd: can you login via lish?
05:39<dragonsd>yes
05:39<kyhwana>What do your logs say?
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05:40<dragonsd>i think i screwed up a couple virtual host settings
05:40<kyhwana>That wouldn't stop you from SSHing into your linode
05:42<dragonsd>i can ssh in now
05:42<dragonsd>weird
05:42<kyhwana>check your logs anyway
05:43<dragonsd>what logs? apache logs?
05:43<kyhwana>ssh logs, messages, dmesg, auth, etc
05:48<linbot>New news from forums: Linode consultant needed in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7869>
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05:56<ronkrt>ok, how do i reg on forums? (befor i get a reg link, i get a login prompt (ie domain style) and if i dont entire properly reg loads auth required page.. (this is not a forum thing its a server thing)
05:57<Peng>ronkrt: Read what the prompt says.
05:58<Yaakov>Read what the Peng says.
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06:02<amitz>Read what Yaakov says
06:02<kyhwana>Read what amitz says
06:02<amitz>if you learn something today, FIFO can be better than LIFO.
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07:49<@mikegrb>lulz
07:49<JediMaster>lol just pingged google.com from uk linode, and get 10ms ping, just pingged bbc.co.uk and get 0.8ms =D
07:53<chesty>that made you laugh out loud?
07:53<@Praefectus>JediMaster: itym 'pinged'
08:06<rnowak>pingeded
08:06<praetorian>ponged?
08:06<praetorian>no that's chestys shoes
08:07<SpaceHobo><redacted>
08:07<SpaceHobo><redacted>
08:07<JediMaster>yeah, well it was more of a chuckle
08:07<JediMaster>0.8ms was somewhat faster than I was expecting
08:07<praetorian>do you have sky? ;)
08:08<praetorian>can you stream me f1 next year?
08:08<JediMaster>yes, but no sports =P
08:08<Peng>JediMaster: Pretty reasonable for the BBC to have servers in London. :P
08:09<praetorian>boo
08:09<JediMaster>Peng: of course, but 0.8ms suggests it's probably really very close, like maybe teh same DC?
08:10<JediMaster>I've seen single routers add more than that in a single hop
08:10<Peng>JediMaster: You can get across a well-connected city in 0.8 ms.
08:12<@irgeek>If a router is adding 0.8ms to the latency, it probably needs to be replaced.
08:14<Peng>Routers that need to be replaced? That would certainly never happen on the Internet!
08:15<linbot>New news from forums: How to protect against datacenter failure in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7866>
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08:16<praetorian>s/replaced/shipped to he.net/
08:21<SpaceHobo><redacted>
08:24<praetorian>or SHE
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08:26<chesty>SpaceHobo: sexist pig
08:28<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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08:28<praetorian>that looks like his sister
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08:43<zap>Hey
08:44<zap> I need to increase the php upload limit on my box
08:44-!-zap is now known as Guest12614
08:44<Guest12614>But the problem is I have php.ini in four different locations,which once should i modify ?
08:44<Guest12614>Or iscreating a local .htacess better ?
08:44<Guest12614>is creating*
08:54<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu 11.04. Hostname has reverted to default value. in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7088>
08:56<Peng>Hostnames are a terrible idea. Such a pain. Not worth it at all.
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08:58<hawk>Names in general is a terrible idea :P
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09:02<Peng>Definitely, hawk.
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10:23<EugeneKay>Yawn
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10:31<swaj>hmm. reading that thread, should I be moving from mysql to mariadb now?
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10:38<padma>hi, I am a linode beginner. i need to setup a mysql database on my server. anyone know how?
10:39<@caker>padma: hello - https://library.linode.com/databases/mysql
10:39<@Praefectus>http://library.linode.com/databases
10:40<padma>Thanks, if I am using to mysql through a hosting company like bluehost or pair, any idea which 'debian' 'ubuntu' etc I should use?
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10:42<swaj>if you're asking which distro you should use, that's like asking what sort of beer is the best. Everyone has their own opinion. Ubuntu and Debian are both fairly easy, well-supported distros, but it's a matter of personal taste, really.
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10:43*Praefectus likes Asahi
10:44<Yaakov>Hello, caker.
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10:45<swaj>I can say that as a new user, you'd probably find a lot of value in Ubuntu. It tends to make things a bit easier on you as a beginner. Debian does, too, but Ubuntu is the most common distro deployed at Linode, which could make finding help a little bit easier if necessary.
10:46<padma>thanks much
10:46<swaj>spend some time in the "Getting Started" and "Beginner's Guide" sections of library.linode.com, though
10:46<swaj>you'll find a lot of good information there
10:47*Obsidian|server shakes fist at swaj for making these things seem easy
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10:47<@mikegrb>lulz
10:47<swaj>lol
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10:47<Obsidian|server>you're going to flood the IT field with a bunch of beginners! you'll doom us all, and ruin everyone's job security! D:
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10:49<Obsidian|server>curse you swaj! A pox on your house!
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10:49<EugeneKay>swaj - re:Distros - Bud Light gives me headaches
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11:04<padma>obsidian - thats laughable. i can't even get myself in putty so far :(
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11:49<karstensrage>does linode block ip's based on some criteria?
11:49<@Praefectus>nope
11:50<@Praefectus>(assuming you mean blocking IPs from accessing your Linode)
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12:43<dragonsd>migration didn't go as smoothly as i expected
12:44<Guspaz>Migration from what to what?
12:44<dragonsd>from fremont to dallas
12:44<vraa>maybe he's a duck, perhaps he's migrating south
12:44<dragonsd>yeah
12:45<vraa>oh, nvm he actually has a linode issue
12:45<dragonsd>so if i want find every file with the old ip, is it just "grep 1.2.3.4 /"?
12:46<Daevien>er, shouldn't be many files pointing at the old ip.. your network config if you are using static instead of dhcp & then each config file for your websites maybe
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12:48<SleePy>find ./ -type f -exec sed -i 's/98\.76\.54\.32/12\.34\.56\.78/' {} \;
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12:48<dragonsd>alright, let me look thru them. looks like i still have one pointing to the old ip
12:48<dragonsd>i set up virtual hosts
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12:49<SleePy>http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/migration/migrate-server-to-linode#sph_set-your-ip-address
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12:54<jboyd>Is there any specific location in the frums one could request a stackscript from the community? I have been banging my head against the wall getting an aplication working which doesn't have much documentation
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13:02<Daevien>i'm thinking his issue is lack of patience sinc ehe left before getting an answer even :p
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13:09<dragonsd>after changing ip's in apache configs ... restarted apache ... is there any else i have to do to get the new ip's working?
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13:11<Guspaz>virtual hosts shouldn't need to have the IP hardcoded
13:12<Guspaz>If your IP is configured by DHCP, and stuff is listening on 0.0.0.0, many people could just move a linode without any reconfiguring whatsoever (other than DNS)
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13:24<dragonsd>i think i fixed it. missed another ip change in etc/hosts
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13:40<dragonsd>guspaz, how do i use dhcp on linux. i just followed some guide online that had ip's hardcoded
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13:46<Guspaz>For a typical scenario, linodes come configured to use DHCP by default, since it's the simplest solution. If you added multiple IPs or a private network IP, you wouldn't be able to use DHCP thoguh
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13:51<dragonsd>oh ok. so for my virtual hosts directives, i should just point them to 0.0.0.0 (and then the port number)?
13:54<Guspaz>I guess, I've not used Apache since I moved to lighttpd years ago, but I believe so.
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13:54<CPC>Hey guys, hows it going?
13:56<linbot>hello
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14:01<Karrde>n2bu
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14:04<@mikegrb>lulz
14:04<CPC>Not bad, server issues lol but yea
14:05<CPC>Getting enough traffic to kill my server, been adjusting Apaches config to try to account for it but still under load
14:06<CPC>Avg-ing 300% CPU :/
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14:08<avenj>CPC: heavy webapps ... ?
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14:08<Daevien>how is your memory doing CPC? it's usually a bigger concern with apache untuned or not very tuned
14:08<CPC>Not really, mostly small sites that are all PHP, just lots of traffic
14:09<CPC>One sec
14:09<andrew>Hi guys any suggestion for an ecommerce solution lightweight and fast enough to carry at least 5000 products
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14:10<CPC>http://slexy.org/view/s2vy6gD2tX
14:11<Daevien>CPC: not bad then. usually stuff isn't about the cpu though, thats why we ask
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14:12<Daevien>are you running wordpress sites without caching maybe?
14:16<tolle>I dont really see how the amount of products would affect the performance of the platform all that much.
14:16<Guspaz>CPC: What process is consuming the RAM?
14:17<CPC>Apache across the board is causing both the CPU and RAM spikes
14:17<Guspaz>Hard to tell if it's apache or PHP then.
14:17<Guspaz>Unless you're using fastcgi or equivalent
14:17<CPC>Daevien: There are a ton of sites running and various setups that I don't control
14:17<CPC>Guspaz: Yeah Im not.
14:18<CPC>fastcgi and php never play nice together
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14:18<thinline>what are the max connection per second that nodebalancers support?
14:18<hawk>Guspaz: With 889M free the memory usage doesn't seem all that worrying, though...?
14:18<Guspaz>Sure they do, it's the primary means of loading PHP for all webservers other than Apache.
14:18<Guspaz>hawk: APC saves CPU power, not RAM.
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14:19<avenj>Guspaz: which would seem to be the point if he's chewing up cpu but has almost 900mb of free RAM.
14:19<Guspaz>Right, so APC might help save some CPU time.
14:19<jfw>Can anyone recommend a good (and reasonably priced) domain name registrar that *isn't* GoDaddy?
14:19<dragonsd>i type "grep '1\.2\.3\.4' /etc" with my ip but there's no output
14:19<avenj>yes, bytecode cache would be smart
14:19<CPC>Guspaz: In my experience over the years its never worked nicely… but either way.
14:19<hawk>Guspaz: I probably just didn't understand why you were asking the question you asked
14:19<Daevien>Guspaz: right so why are you asking about ram :p
14:19<avenj>and how do fastcgi and php not play nice together ?
14:19<CPC>jfw: namecheap
14:20<Guspaz>It sounds more likely that you've just got a nasty CPU-intensive PHP script going, though.
14:20<avenj>I don't even like PHP but I have no problems with reasonably well-written php apps and fastcgi
14:20<jfw>dragonsd: grep -R YOURIP /etc/*
14:20<Guspaz>Daevien: Oh, my mistake, I meant to say what process is consumign the CPU.
14:20<Daevien>jfw: name.come, namecheap.com, gandi.net, nearlyfreespeech.net are most commonly mentioned around here
14:20<jfw>CPC: Thanks
14:20<dragonsd>ok. thx
14:20<jfw>CPC, Daevien: Thanks--have you used any of these?
14:21<CPC>I've used namecheap
14:21<Daevien>jfw: i have some with name.com & namecheap.com
14:21<jfw>And you'd both recommend them?
14:21<CPC>Okay well.. thoughts on fixing the issue guys? LBs are not an answer in this situation unless I can find a unified filesystem to use across them.
14:21<Guspaz>Is there any sort of PHP profiler you could use for this? If not, the only way to figure out the cause might be to try disabling some sites and see if one of them is causing the tons of CPU.
14:21<CPC>Yes, I have hundreds of domains with them jfw
14:21<Daevien>pricing is a bit different some some domains and there are a few differences between them is why i have some on each. overall, both work fine
14:22<jfw>Thanks guys!
14:22<jfw>Much appreciated
14:22<jfw>One last question, actually
14:22<@Praefectus>No.
14:22<jfw>Hah :)
14:22<Guspaz>You can do it more efficiently with a binary search; disable half the sites, see if CPU problems persist, if they do, disable half the remaining sites, and so on.
14:22<@Praefectus>you used up all your questions for the day, come back tomorrow
14:23<rnowak>we're closed tomorrow
14:23<jfw>Would you recommend those (or any) in particular for people that aren't terribly... tech-savvy? We prefer that our clients purchase their own domains, and it's nice to be able to recommend something that isn't GoDaddy
14:23<Daevien>CPC: i'd look for wordpress sites first myself, they are bad on resources if not properly configured and most people don't configure them right. so one of them on your node coudl be getting traffic spike and dragging the rest down
14:23<@Praefectus>rnowak: exactly
14:23<jfw>Praefectus: I didn't know there was a quota! Can't I slide, just this once?
14:24<rnowak>thank you please come again
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14:24<jfw>Heh
14:24<Daevien>jfw: you can sign up for an account on each without buying a domain i blieve. so look at their interfaces and see which you like best for a newer user
14:24<jfw>Daevien: Gotcha. Will do--thanks!
14:24<@Praefectus>NOBODY SLIDES
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14:24<rnowak>besides urmom
14:24<jfw>To whomever is having issues with PHP eating CPU--try out xdebug: http://xdebug.org/
14:25<Daevien>jfw: i'd say out of name & namecheap that name has the more basic loking, less fancy interface which might be less confusing
14:25<jfw>Specifically, the profiler: http://xdebug.org/docs/profiler
14:25<Guspaz>It's kind of still a brute-force approach to the problem
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14:25<jfw>Daevien: Got it--thanks!
14:25<rnowak>how dare you suggest logical things like profilers, guessing is much better
14:25<jfw>rnowak, I'm so sorry. Can I take it back?
14:26<jfw>Guspaz, I don't actually know what the problem is--I missed that part of the discussion :)
14:26<rnowak>send a snailmail request and it will be considered
14:26<avenj>problem: php
14:26*avenj hides
14:26<jfw>Heh
14:26<jfw>It always is a problem...
14:26<rnowak>problem: urmom
14:26<jfw>rnowak: Tell me about it!
14:27<Guspaz>jfw: He's seeing very high CPU use (300%) with minimal RAM use. The presumption is that it's PHP (not Apache) causing the CPU use, but there's no easy way to know which PHP script is causing the CPU use.
14:27<CPC>Right
14:27<CPC>I agree with you guys it most likely is a PHP script that is using too much resources on top of the high traffic
14:27<rnowak>so, profilers would be a logical next step
14:27<jfw>How many scripts/sites are we talking about?
14:27<Guspaz>The brute force of disabling sites to see which is causing it, and then continuing to narrow down more and more, that would work, but it's disruptive./
14:28<CPC>less than 50 sites
14:28<jfw>That's a lot of sites for such an approach
14:28<CPC>Most sites are either wordpress or custom with a framework
14:28<jfw>Definitely try xdebug
14:28<CPC>I can determine it down to a few sites based on how much traffic I see coming in
14:28<CPC>narrow*
14:29<jfw>You can't assume traffic and CPU usage are related, though
14:29<Guspaz>Traffic is not really going to narrow it down. A very small amount of traffic could cause a very large amount of traffic if the only script they run does "while (true) {}"
14:29<jfw>It could be one really low-traffic site with an infinite loop in the code somewhere
14:29<CPC>Issue only happens when I am having high traffic
14:29<linbot>New news from forums: Podcast feed generators? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7872>
14:29<jfw>Guspaz: jinx :)
14:29<Guspaz>:P
14:29<jfw>CPC: Could just be coincidence
14:29<CPC>True
14:30<jfw>You're running this stuff w/ mod_php in apache, right?
14:30<CPC>Right
14:30<jfw>Gotcha
14:31<jfw>Any reason you don't want to try profiling w/ xdebug?
14:31<CPC>installing it now
14:31<Guspaz>xdebug profiling seems to help tell you what part of a single script is consuming CPU time, not which script?
14:32<sandeep>wouldn't running it for all scripts increase cpu usage?
14:32<jfw>sandeep, Yup. But only temporarily
14:33<jfw>Guspaz, I think you can enable it for everything, and then (possibly) have to open each output file separately
14:33<jfw>But it's been a long time since I've used that, so I don't recall
14:34<CPC>Yeah
14:34<CPC>Installed, just trying to figure out why the lines they say to enable in php.ini aren't actually there
14:35<jfw>You have to add them; xdebug isn't included in PHP by default. (You also need to install it, in case that wasn't obvious)
14:35<CPC>Yep I did that, adding them now
14:35<jfw>Oh, you said "Installed". Heh. Nevermind
14:36<jfw>It *will* definitely slow things down while it's running--just be warned
14:36<sandeep>very bad idea for 'high traffic'
14:36<jfw>You might want to enable this option: http://xdebug.org/docs/all_settings#profiler_enable_trigger
14:36<sandeep>:(
14:37<jfw>sandeep, Better than letting one script kill everything from time to time, though
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14:37<sandeep>with the trigger he'd have to try each and every url with every param manually?
14:38<jfw>sandeep: Yeah. Which might not work for his case, as he's not sure what's causing the problem. But it's good to know about it
14:38<fannoj>what would/could cause the output from the ssh to be all wrong ?
14:38<jfw>Wrong like how?
14:38<CPC>Okay installed and I added the two config lines 'xdebug.profiler_output_dir' and 'debug.profiler_enable'
14:39<fannoj>jfw: after i login ... even using the web consol out put is:
14:39<jfw>CPC: Alright, cross your fingers and restart apache
14:39<fannoj>eval: 1: 3: not found                                                                                                                                                                                     ]0;team@li373-67]0;team@li373-67 TIME=14:37:21         
14:39<CPC>jfw, done
14:39<jfw>CPC: You see anything in the output dir?
14:39<jfw>fannoj, Sounds like you've got something wacky in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
14:40<jfw>(or .profile... or /etc/profile... or /etc/bash/something...)
14:40<CPC>jfw: starting to
14:40<jfw>CPC: Cool
14:40<fannoj>jfw: when using putty [team@li373-67]:ââ:â[]âââââââ[~] >
14:40<jfw>How's the load looking so far?
14:41<jfw>fannoj, Try changing the terminal type in putty settings to "linux" or "xterm-color" or something like that
14:41<sandeep>if you have hundreds of hits/sec keep an eye on disk usage
14:41<fannoj>jfw: in putty ?
14:41<jfw>Yeah, good call. You have a lot of disk space free?
14:42<jfw>fannoj, Yeah, in the profile settings or whatever it's called. I haven't used putty in a long time, so I can't help much more than that
14:42<CPC>Yeah
14:42<rnowak>as a permanent solution you might want to implement statsd which sends impressions over udp to a collector to graphite - pretty neat, if you like metrics
14:43<CPC>Interesting
14:43<jfw>rnowak, That would require modifying all of the PHP code, no?
14:44<rnowak>jfw: sure, or other trickery which is possible but takes effort
14:44<jfw>rnowak, Gotcha.
14:44<CPC>My next plan is to break these sites onto different servers instead of having like 50 on one have like 10 per server or something since a LB-cloud approach is nice but requires a unified filesystem across each server within the LB so files stay in sync.
14:44<fannoj>jfw: dont seem to change anything tho using linux makes the outout in web terminal and in putty to be identical
14:45<CPC>jfw: this is all that Im seeing in the log http://slexy.org/view/s2qkJ3BXdh
14:45<jfw>CPC: So, now, keep an eye on the disk usage (especially the "wa" in top) and watch the load. When the CPU spikes again, kill the profiling and load all those xdebug files into valgrind or whatever
14:45<sandeep>watch top and kill any php/apache process that takes up a lot of cpu. then wait for users to complain :o
14:46<jfw>fannoj, Yeah, you still probably have something weird in your bashrc
14:46<fannoj>lfw there is no file with that name tho
14:46<fannoj>only file i see is bashish.deb
14:46<jfw>CPC: You mean the files in the output dir?
14:47<jfw>fannoj, It's .bashrc; do: ls -a
14:47<fannoj>ahh wops forgot it was hidden
14:47<fannoj>yes i see it now
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14:48<jfw>CPC: If you're looking at xdebug's output, it's not meant to be human-readable (at least, not for you and me...) Load it into one of the *grind progs mentioned in the profiler docs
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14:49<CPC>ok
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14:49<fannoj>jfw: on i am in the the .bashrc should look like or what bad config to look at ?
14:49<jfw>Is there just one file in there?
14:49<fannoj>no there are a few
14:49<linbot>New news from forums: sites-enabled and sites-available confusion in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7873>
14:49<jfw>CPC: Is there just one file in there?
14:50<fannoj>> ls -a
14:50<fannoj>. .bash_history bashish.deb .bashrc .profile .viminfo .zshrc
14:50<fannoj>.. .bashish .bash_logout .cache .sudo_as_admin_successful .zprofile
14:50<jfw>fannoj, I have no idea :) It could be anything. You didn't change anything in there?
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14:50<fannoj>jfw i did not but i sopouse our admin could have .. but the image was setup earlier today
14:51<hawk>!setup
14:51<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
14:51<jfw>fannoj, Talk to your admin :)
14:51<jfw>Man, linbot is a jerk
14:51*avenj hugs linbot
14:52<fannoj>hehe jfw sure, i just figured it may be may fault hehe (on client end)
14:52<@Praefectus>jfw: you will refrain from calling the linbot names or i will punt you in your face!
14:53<linbot>Thanks Praefectus!
14:53<jfw>fannoj, Probably not
14:53<jfw>Praefectus, Man, you're touchy today
14:53<@Praefectus>!botsnack
14:53<linbot>thanks, Praefectus!
14:53<jfw>Hah
14:53<jfw>How is "botsnack" a verb?
14:53<@Praefectus>you can snack on something
14:54<jfw>Yeah, but you can't botsnack on something
14:54<rnowak>it isn't, it is a command
14:54<@Praefectus>we snacked on urmom last night
14:54<hawk>jfw: Did anyone say it's a verb?
14:54<@Praefectus>or rather she snacked on us
14:54<fastfinge>Got a quick question that has had me baffled for a week. PHP5 on Ubuntu decided to stop sending mail a week ago. The mail function works in batch, but not when scripts are run by apache2.
14:54<TheFirst>Praefectus: linbot itself is a name, does that also mean you will punt yourself in the face as well?
14:54<jfw>hawk, I was referring to linbot's "setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/"
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14:54<hawk>jfw: Yes...?
14:55<rnowak>+1 yes...?
14:55<Daevien>jfw: linbot responds to various commands. !setup return that link
14:55<jfw>Which implies that it only accepts commands that are verbs
14:55<Daevien>no
14:55<Daevien>!ask
14:55<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
14:55<Daevien>!mtr
14:55<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
14:55<rnowak>what is this
14:55<Daevien>see? diff results, diff commands
14:55<rnowak>!urmom bitch
14:55<jfw>Praefectus, That's scary. Why would you want that from my mom?
14:55<linbot>rnowak: Yo mommas so blind, she dated mikegrb and thought it was Ben Affleck! (736:17/1) [umorm]
14:56<Daevien>!rr
14:56<linbot>Daevien: *click*
14:56<jfw>!invalidcommand
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14:56<jfw>Nothing for that, which means that !setup is kind of pointless, no?
14:56<rnowak>...
14:56*Daevien sighs and gives up
14:56<rnowak>!troll
14:56<linbot>http://i.imgur.com/9c5sw.jpg
14:57<linbot>jfw: it's just used to point out cases where people (incorrectly) use setup as a verb
14:57<Scorchin_>Hi, anyone about that's used the fog gem to build out servers? I'm just wondering what I need to use compute.servers.create()
14:57<Scorchin_>e.g. specific settings etc.
14:57<jfw>I was really making a joke at the beginning of this discussion... I'm not sure why you're all taking it so seriously...
14:57<Guspaz>jfw: Some of the "not verbs" on notaverb.com are listed as verbs in the dictionary.
14:57-!-Scorchin_ is now known as Scorchin
14:57<rnowak>jfw: nice try at a save
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14:58<TheFirst>jfw: when in doubt it is safe to assume all people are assholes
14:58-!-JediMaster [~JediMaste@5ad5f04a.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:58<jfw>No, really. I called a bot a "jerk". You think that's serious?
14:58<hawk>Guspaz: That's sad
14:58<jfw>TheFirst, I s'pose
14:58<linbot>jfw: I thought so...
14:58<Guspaz>hawk: Not as sad as that site existing to begin with :P
14:59<jfw>linbot: I'm sorry, bot. I take it back. I meant no offense.
14:59<Scorchin>Anyone at all? Fog gem tips, when using Linode, would be pretty useful right now :)
14:59<linbot>jfw: Thanks, no hard feelings...
14:59<jfw>!botsnack
14:59<linbot>thanks, jfw!
15:00<squircle>linbot: <3
15:00<linbot><3
15:00<TheFirst>pfft apologies?! wth kind of hippy place is this?!
15:00<Daevien>Scorchin: for most things, running on linode is no different than anywhere else. it seems pretty obvious no one here knows about "fog gem". try whatever site you got it from?
15:00<jfw>TheFirst, the hippiest.
15:00<Scorchin>Daevien: well, the specifics of it are related to the platform, like what config it requires etc.
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15:02<rnowak>there won't be anything linode specific, Scorchin
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15:02<Daevien>https://github.com/geemus/fog
15:03<JshWright>does fog support Linode?
15:03<hawk>Guspaz: Out of curiosity, which ones were you referring to that you found in some dictionary?
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15:03<Daevien>rnowak: actually, there seems to be linode support. bt it justneeds the api from what i see after a 2 minute google search & browse of the pages i found
15:03<Scorchin>Daevien: that's what I'm using, but the main example utilise AWS and their AMI and labelling process. Not what's required for Linode.
15:04<rnowak>Daevien: ignore my comment, I read gem and ruby, that was all
15:04<Daevien>look at the example in the link i pasted.. looks like you tell it linode, tell it api key & thats about it?
15:05<JshWright>Scorchin: the docs seem fairly straightforward...
15:05<Scorchin>Daevien: there's a final step to create a box: compute.servers.create() I want to know what arguments linode requires for create() similar to what they provide in the web admin
15:05<Daevien>http://fog.io
15:05<Daevien>and we're saying that none of us here use it so trying to refer you back to the docs on their site since it will be more useful than anyone currently talking at least
15:06<JshWright>Scorchin: the code's on github...
15:06<JshWright>https://github.com/geemus/fog/blob/master/lib/fog/linode/compute.rb#L8
15:06<Scorchin>okay, thanks for your help
15:06<Daevien>fog.io has a tutorial, mailing list, api docs, etc
15:06<Scorchin>JshWright: I've been looking through that, was just wondering if anyone who hangs around here had experience with it
15:06<Daevien>i got the link to fog.io from the github page
15:07<jfw>http://fog.io actually working? Looks down to me
15:07<Daevien>loads for me
15:07<jfw>Interesting...
15:07<JshWright>Scorchin: the reason folks aren't giving you good answers is becuase you aren't really asking good questions... have you tried something? is it not working? what is it doing, and how does that differ from what you expect it to do?
15:08<jfw>I can't even look it up w/ host or whois...
15:08<Daevien>www.linode.com/api/ has info on the actual linode api and libraries to use with it
15:09<rnowak>great firewall of {jfw.location}
15:09<jfw>rnowak, Seriously...
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15:09<Daevien>jfw: you have something broken then, i can access it from home or a newark linode
15:09<jfw>Yeah, I can access it from a fremont node, but not my home machine
15:09<jfw>I'm gonna blame Comcast. Because... Well, Comcast.
15:10<Daevien>way #434 you know your connection sucks: fremont works better than it?
15:10<jfw>Hah, for realz
15:10<jfw>Usually it's pretty good. This is the first time I've seen a weird hiccup like this
15:11<Daevien>also, i think .io makes you go to their website for whois btw
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15:11<Daevien>some of the country code ones do that, i find it kind of annoying
15:11<jfw>Ah. Well, host should still work
15:11<jfw>That is annoying
15:13<jfw>Oh well.
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15:16<Guspaz>hawk: Shutdown is in collins as a verb
15:16<rnowak>lolcollins
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15:17<retro|blah>!dict shutdown
15:17<linbot>retro|blah: wn and moby-thes responded: wn: shutdown n : termination of operations; "they regretted the closure of the day care center" [syn: {closure}, {closedown}, {closing}]; moby-thes: 21 Moby Thesaurus words for "shutdown": abandonment, blockade, breakoff, cease, ceasing, cessation, close, closing, closure, desinence, desistance, discontinuance, discontinuation, occlusion, relinquishment, renunciation, (1 more message)
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15:17<retro|blah>@more
15:17<retro|blah>!more
15:17<linbot>retro|blah: shutting, shutting up, stopping, surcease, termination
15:17<Daevien>!dict setup
15:17<linbot>Daevien: wn and moby-thes responded: wn: setup n 1: equipment designed to serve a specific function [syn: {apparatus}] 2: the way something is organized or arranged; "it takes time to learn the setup around here" 3: an act that incriminates someone on a false charge [syn: {frame-up}]; moby-thes: 152 Moby Thesaurus words for "setup": anatomy, approach, architectonics, architecture, arrangement, array, (4 more messages)
15:18<retro|blah>well, that dict isnt too comprehensive i guess
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15:18<jfw>!dict dictionary
15:18<linbot>jfw: wn, devils, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: dictionary n : a reference book containing an alphabetical list of words with information about them [syn: {lexicon}]; devils: DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic. This dictionary, however, is a most useful work; moby-thes: 37 Moby Thesaurus words for "dictionary": (4 more messages)
15:19<jfw>"A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic."
15:19<jfw>Some dictionary editor hates his job...
15:19<retro|blah>hahaha
15:19<hawk>Well, it was from "devils"
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15:20<Daevien>https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Dictionary
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15:20<jfw>Ah, nice
15:21<Daevien>Lawyer(n.) One skilled in circumvention of the law.
15:21<jfw>Like poetry.
15:21<Daevien>as an example :p
15:21<@Praefectus>dictionaries are not on topic unless you are looking up how asia-pacific relates to linode
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15:23<fastfinge>Do I need to do anything particular in UBuntu to make sure www-data can send email via sendmail? It is already in trusted-users. This all worked a week ago.
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15:25<fastfinge>Installed php5 and apache2 all with default settings, and email worked. Last week, it quit after a package update. No idea why. Nobody in php irc knows.
15:26<CPC>Got busy guys, still there jaw?
15:26<CPC>Got busy guys, still there jfw?
15:26<CPC>or anyone else who was helping?
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15:27<rnowak>go on...
15:29<seanh-ansca>fastfinge: what packages got updated?
15:31<fastfinge>seanh-ansca: tzdata, and several libraries. Unfortunately, I didn't write them all down. Didn't know email was failing until a day or so later.
15:32<fastfinge>What I don't understand is why it works in batch, yet fails when run via apache. And why I can't find anything logging any errors anywhere.
15:32<seanh-ansca>look at the bottom of /var/log/dpkg.log
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15:37<fastfinge>seanh-ansca: looks like the updates were webmin, ureadahead, rsyslog, and libc.
15:38<seanh-ansca>it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if webmin was what broke things
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15:38<seanh-ansca>do you have your config files in version control?
15:39<JshWright>yeah... if webmin is involved, all bets are off...
15:39*seanh-ansca bets on the answer...
15:39<JshWright>nuh-uh... you can't do that... all bets are off
15:39<seanh-ansca>bah
15:40<seanh-ansca>but the odds look so good!
15:40<fastfinge>No. I have linode backups on, though. But I think I can only restore the entire server that way?
15:40<seanh-ansca>fastfinge: no idea, i don't use them
15:40<fastfinge>And sendmail works for everything else. Webmin and cron are still happy to send email. So is php5 in batch.
15:41<seanh-ansca>webmin could have changed things in any number of places
15:42<seanh-ansca>you might take a look at your php.ini's
15:42<seanh-ansca>and see if the settings for cli vs mod/cgi are different
15:42<seanh-ansca>you could also change your logging to debug and run your webmail script again and see what pops up
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15:46<fastfinge>Already checked the inis. cli and apache2 are the same.
15:48<fastfinge>If people find webmin to cause problems, what do you all recommend? Doing it by hand is not a viable answer for me right now. Paying someone else to do it would be nice, but that can't happen either.
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15:48<seanh-ansca>depends on what you're doing
15:49<JshWright>fastfinge: surely there are some log messages to point you in the right direction
15:49<JshWright>does PHP _think_ it's sending the e-mail?
15:49<seanh-ansca>webmin is the only webgui that i've used that does all the stuff that it does. there are things like ispconfig that are related, but aren't really "system config" tools
15:50<seanh-ansca>by hand is really the way to go long term. but put stuff in a repo, or puppet
15:50<fastfinge>Hosting bunches of drupal7 installs, several wordpress installs, a CoffeeMud, and rss2email with a hundred or so feeds going out to various addresses.
15:50<seanh-ansca>(one would assume you would put your puppet configs in a repo, but i digress)
15:51<JshWright>yeah, version controlled puppet configs would make your life a _lot_ easier...
15:51<CPC>Sorry about that guys, crazy busy today. What do I need to view these files in?
15:51<seanh-ansca>JshWright: i can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not :-p
15:52<JshWright>I'm not. I'm a big fan of puppet
15:52<rnowak>CPC: read the documentation
15:52<fastfinge>JshWright: mail() returns false, but I have been able to find any errors explaining why. Nothing is shown, and the logs I thought to check looked fine.
15:53<fastfinge>Never heard of puppet. And I don't run any kind of SVN. Was overkill for what I'm doing.
15:53<CPC>rnowak: the docs just say 'KCacheGrind' which I can't run.
15:53<rnowak>vcs is never overkill
15:54<seanh-ansca>fastfinge: if any of this stuff has a monitory value to being down, then it's not overkill
15:54<seanh-ansca>though i lean toward rnowak's camp and just put everything in a vcs out of habit
15:54<JshWright>fastfinge: there's no way to find out what the error is? not even a subsequent call to getErrors() or something?
15:55<JshWright>it's been a while since I've used PHP...
15:55<seanh-ansca>what's in the php error log
15:55<rnowak>CPC: valgrind then perhaps
15:56<CPC>Just need something that will run on osx
15:56<seanh-ansca>fastfinge: what's in the php log or your sendmail logs
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15:57<seanh-ansca>cpc kcachegrind is in ports
15:57<seanh-ansca>but it's probably a multi hour compile processe
15:57<CPC>I don't use ports on osx, gah this is becoming a real pita
15:58<rnowak>...
16:01<seanh-ansca>CPC: https://github.com/jokkedk/webgrind
16:01<rnowak>if only they'd make something like valgrind
16:05<fastfinge>Okay, thanks for cluing me in to have a look at webmin. I just realized all the virtual hosts I set up in webmin were placing my logs in…unexpected places. So the main apache2 log was not showing errors. Might be able to solve this, now.
16:05<CPC>Thanks
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16:26<CPC>Thanks guys, current data set I have isn't telling me much
16:26<CPC>So I'll let it run for awhile
16:27<fastfinge>Okay, my problem is fixed. My logs are going where they're supposed to, and I now understand how php.ini works. Webmin was showing me, and making changes to, the wrong one. Once I found the correct file by checking phpinfo, it was easily corrected to have the right path to sendmail.
16:27<fastfinge>So, in short, I was looking at the wrong log file, and changing the wrong config files. For a week. *sigh*
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16:28<GLaDOSDan>I believe my linode is under ddos attack
16:28<GLaDOSDan>http://i.imgur.com/g4n4r.png
16:28<GLaDOSDan>look at all that ipv6 traffic i'm getting!
16:28<JshWright>fastfinge: glad you got it sorted... and now you know why we're (mostly) not fan of things like webmin
16:29*Praefectus opens an inbound DoS ticket on GLaDOSDan
16:29<GLaDOSDan>120 bits a second is pretty intense
16:29<@Praefectus>NULL ROUTE UP!
16:29<GLaDOSDan>i'm glad i'm not in fremont, they'd be down again with an attack that size
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16:30<retro|blah>lawl
16:30<ajmitch>GLaDOSDan: fremont could never handle that much ipv6 traffic
16:31*ajmitch does have the scale on the ipv6 graph going all the way up to 200kbps, it's impressive
16:32<Karrde>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/places/fremont bs=1024 count=10240
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16:36<SleePy>Looks really consistent traffic bursts though
16:37<JshWright>ntpdate, perhaps?
16:37<JshWright>(cron'd)
16:38<SleePy>Quiet possible, the burst is every 2 hours on a odd hour (23,1,3,5,7,9,11,etc)
16:38<fastfinge>JshWright: Never thought webmin could get it that wrong. I've been thinking of it like system prefs on OS X, and just assuming what it's doing was right. Are any of the commercial alternatives better?
16:39<JshWright>fastfinge: I have no idea, I prefer managing those files directly with something that gives you a better 'under the hood' understanding (like Puppet)
16:40<fastfinge>JshWright: I'll have a look at that. Unfortunately, if webmin is this bad, I may have to move away from linode to somewhere more managed. I don't have enough time in my life to be a full linux admin as well as my other work.
16:42<JshWright>fastfinge: or outsource the sysadmin stuff
16:43<fastfinge>JshWright: I was on shared hosting originally, but they did not have a JRE, and php was not compiled with bcmath. And I need both of those things. Linode was the only way I found to get them.
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16:44<fastfinge>Unfortunately, paying someone to manage the server, plus the server costs, is not an option.
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16:55*Praefectus quietly slips GLaDOSDan's Linodes over to Fremont
16:57<ajmitch>that's cruel & unusual punishment
16:57<@Praefectus>ajmitch: you pipe down or yer next
16:57<ajmitch>but, but, I'm already there!
16:58<@Praefectus>yer only half there, you can be wholly there!
16:58<GLaDOSDan>:o!
16:58<GLaDOSDan>Praefectus you wouldn't!
16:58<ajmitch>true, but it'd be a pain to move from .jp
16:59*Praefectus migrates everyone to fremont
17:00<@Praefectus>oh hey look, time for me to knock off for the day.. have fun!
17:00*retro|blah migrates fremont to the depths of the pacific
17:00<retro|blah>o/
17:00<@Praefectus>itll be there soon enougfh
17:00<@Praefectus>enough*
17:00<ajmitch>Praefectus: please be setupping up a datacentre in NZ, bandwidth here is cheap, honest!
17:01<@Praefectus>LIES
17:01<ajmitch>:(
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17:05<kyhwana>setup a DC in NZ or AU!
17:05<chesty>a little birdie tells me sydney is next, hosted in the same building as iinet, my isp
17:05<kyhwana>retro|blah: wait, isn't it the atlantic where atlantis was?
17:05<@Praefectus>that birdie was cooked for the office lunch this afternoon
17:06<chesty>and it tasted great, didn't it?
17:06*ajmitch is hungry now
17:06<@Praefectus>iunno, me and jed went to wawa
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17:07<chesty>itym jed and I
17:07<ajmitch>chesty: you went for lunch with jed?
17:09<chesty>god noes
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17:57<linbot>New news from forums: Updated kernel source? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7874>
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18:19<jamescarr>hello
18:21<jamescarr>is it possible to use subdomains on the domains like http://li000-000.members.linode.com/
18:21<jamescarr>?
18:22<jamescarr>ah heck
18:22<jamescarr>dead channel?
18:23<@caker>jamescarr: not to the members.linode.com zone, no
18:23<@caker>but you can do your own domain, of course
18:23<jamescarr>cool thats what I thought
18:23<jamescarr>waiting for DNS to "migrate" (is that the right word?
18:24<Kos>propagate?
18:24<jamescarr>I just set my domain that is registered by 1and1 to use linode's name servers
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18:25<@heckman>Have you created the zone within the Linode DNS Manager?
18:25<jamescarr>yes
18:25<jamescarr>hitting the domain shows me the original site though, so i think it is just taking eons
18:25<@heckman>Our name servers pull new zones/records every quarter hour (:00, :15, :30, :45). What's the domain?
18:26<jamescarr>tdd-antipatterns.net
18:26<jamescarr>I dont think the issue is on your side though... I think it is 1and1
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18:27<@heckman>nameservers haven't changed yet.
18:27<jamescarr>yeah
18:28<jamescarr>they're dog slow at changing name servers
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18:31<juanjohopper>hello guys
18:31<juanjohopper>need help pls a hacker acces to linode via root
18:31<juanjohopper>how can i take out my server
18:31<juanjohopper>also i cancel the root acces and the pasword authentificationn
18:31<juanjohopper>??
18:32<SleePy>!rr
18:32<linbot>SleePy: *click*
18:35<kyhwana>what
18:35<kyhwana>juanjohopper: just shut it down from the linode manager
18:35-!-HedgeMage [~HedgeMage@207.250.21.223] has joined #linode
18:35<kyhwana>, delete the current disk image/profile and start from scratch
18:36<kyhwana>if someone has root access on your box, it's too late, the only sure way he still doesn't have access is to reinstall from scratch. Hope you have backups
18:37<juanjohopper><kyhwana> thank you!
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18:42<linbot>New news from forums: Exim sending only to non-local emails? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7875>
18:43<kyhwana>hmm
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18:46<huma>"New news" :)
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18:47<kyhwana>oh christ
18:47*kyhwana just had Daevien remind him about juanjohopper
18:48<ajmitch>kyhwana: bad things?
18:48<kyhwana>Someone want to bet he'll come backm in and doesn't have backups and now wants us to rebuild his box? :|
18:48<ronkrt>any django programmers have a few minute's?
18:48<@caker>apostrophe's
18:49<Daevien>juan is the one that took like 3 days to get a basic switch your ns & setup apache type setup done
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18:51<neale>would it be a bad idea to use a link-local address to contact another linode in the same data center?
18:52<Daevien>only if you want it work
18:52<Daevien>what are you trying to accomplish neale?
18:53<neale>trying to link my IRC server to a friend's
18:53<linbot>New news from forums: LAMP Security HOW-TO, IP Access Hardening Question in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7876>
18:53<kyhwana>why not use the public ipv6?
18:53<@heckman>neale: If you are linking via IPv6 if they are in the same facility v6 traffic is treated as "private network" traffic.
18:53<neale>because I'm a huge nerd I guess
18:53<Daevien>ipv6 within the same DC or get a private ip. both are free traffic
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18:54<neale>I was curious if I could ping his link-local addy and I can, so I was wondering if relying on that working moving forward was a mistake.
18:54<@heckman>Don't use link local.
18:54<neale>heh, okay.
18:54<neale>I don't have to use it, I'm just curious.
18:54<@heckman>Move it along neale, you're holding up our line... :p jk
18:55<@heckman>Yeah you should be using the global address for all v6 communication.
18:55<neale>;)
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18:55<neale>okie doke
18:55<neale>I was honestly surprised that the link-local address worked.
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18:55<neale>I figured it wouldn't make it past the xen host I was on.
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18:56<@heckman>I kind of fail at the specifics of IPv6 routing, but I think you may have just been hitting the router.
18:56<neale>I guess my linode is just injecting frames right onto the wire.
18:57<neale>no, it's definitely his box, heckman. Adding 1 to his link-local addy gets me Address unreachable
18:57<neale>but because I used link-local that means it's *not* going through a router.
18:57<neale>hm, I could map out every machine on the same switch as me with a single packet.
18:57<tolle>IPv6, welcome to a world of brainfarts.
18:58<neale>only 21
18:58<neale>wow, what are the odds.
18:58<Daevien>just use ipv6, same dc = free traffic
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19:22<skegeek>I read about 'DNS Caching' in Ubuntu Server Administration Guide. Is this mostly for people who set domains to their own self-hosted DNS? I thought all browsers kept an internal cache and therefore would make caching on our server redundant.
19:23<SleePy>Can't trust the end user
19:23<MTecknology>My HD's are on their way from Des Moines to Sioux Falls. :D I should get them either tommorow or the next day
19:23<MTecknology>probably tomorrow
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19:29<skegeek>This is off-topic, but, are business owners (or authorized staff) considered consumers when making business-related purchases?
19:29<MTecknology>skegeek: yup
19:30<MTecknology>skegeek: err- i should clarify my answer instead of assumption
19:30<MTecknology>skegeek: Are you a business owner inside of the US asking for tax purposes?
19:31<skegeek>Business owner, yes; inside the U.S., yes; tax purposes, no
19:32<MTecknology>you are considered a consumer, you get to pay the tax linode charges in addition to a use tax which really screws you in the ass hard
19:32<@heckman>skegeek: DNS caching is to prevent the root name servers from being hit repetitively for the same records from the same resolver.
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19:33<@heckman>Well, I guess all name servers. Root/the authoritative ones for that domain.
19:33<MTecknology>you learn a whole new definition to the word gaping
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19:33<skegeek>I asked because I've seen a few articles before (targeted to business owners) referring to audience as consumers. I always thought of 'consumer buying' to be purchases for personal reasons.
19:33<@heckman>MTecknology: We charge tax?
19:34<MTecknology>heckman: well... i guess i just assumed that too... that it's part of the complete cost (we charge you $15, but we see $xx.xx and the rest is tax
19:35<skegeek>Oh ok. Caches are only if the requesting client already has ' a copy' then.
19:35<@heckman>Yes
19:36<@heckman>And the once the TTL expries, it asks the authoritative server for the record next time someone asks it and caches it for the TTL.
19:36<bob2>your ISP already has a cache on their resolver, as does linode on theirs
19:36<@heckman>Well...supposed to cache it for the TTL.
19:36<praetorian>s/up to the TTL/g
19:37<praetorian>there is no saying it can't cache i for less
19:37<bob2>and some hard code a min ttl
19:38<MTecknology>bob2: I HATE when ISP's pit an insanely high forced TTL!!!
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19:38<MTecknology>heckman: is my assumption wrong?
19:38<@heckman>We don't charge tax on the items.
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19:38<MTecknology>oh
19:39<skegeek>Well, every guide I ever see covers installing and configuring DNS. I haven't been convinced to even host DNS as of yet, though. If the registrar isn't good enough, I would think Linode' DNS would be.
19:39<@heckman>Well, I guess items is a wrong term. We don't charge tax for our services.
19:39<bob2>skegeek, note, you need to be clear on the difference between an authorotative dns server and a recurisve caching resolver
19:39<MTecknology>AH!
19:40<bob2>skegeek, first one gets listed in NS records, second goes in /etc/resolv.conf
19:40<MTecknology>heckman: I feel like a dope
19:40<skegeek>heckman: You don't do business in the U.S. ?
19:40<@heckman>We do.
19:40<@heckman>We do not charge tax on our services, however.
19:40<MTecknology>maybe that was why we paid such a high use tax...
19:41<skegeek>heckman: As in you just pay it 'out of pocket'?
19:41<bob2>does NJ have a state-wide sales tax that applies to purchases from out of state people?
19:41<MTecknology>skegeek: there's something funky with services vs products tax... i can't remember what it is though
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19:42<skegeek>Then again, if you're not earning too much, you aren't paying any tax either.
19:44<skegeek>Oh. I thought you had to clarify between service and product income on the return.
19:44<bd_>bob2: I don't think VPS services fall under sales tax under most US state tax laws
19:44<bd_>it's not the same as VAT
19:44<bd_>then again I'm not a tax lawyer
19:44<bob2>bd_, oh
19:45<bd_>AIUI sales tax requires some physical merchandise to change hands
19:45<praetorian>wow
19:45<praetorian>steve jobs is dead?
19:45<Daevien>yeah
19:45<kyhwana>http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
19:45<Daevien>rumor a bit ago, apple page flipped to announcing it as initially was reports both saying yes & saying it was a mistake
19:46<Daevien>it's on the front page now kyhwana
19:46<skegeek>Oh! Software-as-a-Service (or architecture in Linode's case) - probably classified under 'internet service provider' or similar (as a guess).
19:46<purrdeta>damn
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19:46<kyhwana>yeah
19:47<MikeP>Hi all, was just curious what software you use for your 'Library'?
19:47<Daevien>MikeP: custom
19:47<GLaDOSDan>http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/
19:47<bob2>MikeP, custom in hours, appears to use ReST
19:48<bd_>skegeek: according to wikipedia, some US states have 'use tax' which may apply to certain categories of services, but use tax is self-assessed, not by the merchant.
19:49<bob2>so used to .au's GST I forget that 10 years ago we had no service tax either
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19:50<MikeP>Thanks guy, was hoping it was a certain software, could do with something like that :(.
19:50<Arutha>more than 10 years ago
19:51<Arutha>wasnt it?
19:51<skegeek>Ohhh. Yeah, because services such as Linode aren't actually selling anything, rather renting it out.
19:51<linbot>New news from forums: Updated kernel source? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7874>
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19:56<skegeek>Anyway, I was merely a little confused by various articles referring to business owners as consumers, because I thought of 'consumer' to mean individual/non-commercial.
19:58<Daevien>!dict consumer
19:58<linbot>Daevien: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: consumer n : a person who uses goods or services; gcide: Consumer \Con*sum"er\ (k[o^]n*s[=u]m"[~e]r), n. 1. One who, or that which, consumes; as, the consumer of food. [1913 Webster] 2. (Econ.) the person or organization that uses some item of commerce or service in its own acitities, as opposed to reselling the item or including it as part of another item (2 more messages)
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20:09<kyhwana>right, now that I know, I have to add apple/jobs to my TTytter filter
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20:17<MTecknology>I think it's time to make my own firefox sync server
20:17<MTecknology>their down time is irritating...
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20:19<Daevien>can we make a MTecknology clone too?
20:20<MTecknology>Daevien: you want to be able to have me non-stop?
20:20<@heckman>One is enough..
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20:21<GLaDOSDan>oh god please not a MTecknology clone
20:21<MTecknology>i figured.. not even i can handle all of me
20:22<Daevien>heckman: i was more thinking of clonign and taking out the irritating bits. like he's tryign to fo with a firefox sync server
20:22<@heckman>Could just take Firefox out of the equation.
20:22<MTecknology>Daevien: i'm trying to do it for constant availability
20:23<MTecknology>heckman: i've tried... it's as hard as removing me from a computer
20:23<SleePy>iCure didn't come soon enough :(
20:25<MTecknology>I suppose it's time to bump up to 11.10...
20:25<praetorian>bump it to 11
20:32<Obsidian|server>erm, 11.10 is out?
20:33<Daevien>not yet
20:33<MTecknology>Obsidian|server: not the official release yet
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20:33<Obsidian|server>ah
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20:33<Obsidian|server>they have any idea of how close it is yet?
20:33<MTecknology>usually i bump up to it 3-4 months early
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20:33<Obsidian|server>like, end of month, mid-month? (talking about ubuntu themselves)
20:34<kyhwana>Isn't it usually around halloween?
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20:34<@heckman>I can in to some weird quirks with Xubuntu 11.10
20:34<@heckman>s/can/ran/
20:35<MTecknology>Obsidian|server: when they decide, you'll see the countdowns have numbers - http://www.ubuntu.com/community/countdown
20:35<Daevien>you ran into quirks with everything heckman. i think thats a clue it's YOU :p
20:35<@heckman>I sometimes get this cool error when shutting down from the Xfce menu.
20:35<@heckman>Claims I don't have permisssion.
20:36<Daevien>probably related to how you login, do you autologin to your user?
20:36<@heckman>No, using whichever login manager they switched to in 11.10. Doesn't look like GDM anymore.
20:36<MTecknology>i really like slim+openbox
20:37<MTecknology>heckman: probably xdm
20:37<MTecknology>err... probably not
20:37<Daevien>heckman: ah. usually its how you login from what i remember. there are a couple ways that autologin is done that will mess with permissions & junk. could still be it with your login manager though
20:38<Obsidian|server>MTecknology: gotcha - forgot about that
20:38<@heckman>Daevien: It only happens sometimes. The easy fix is to just jump to another TTY and log in to issue the reboot.
20:38<@heckman>Or the poweroff, whichever.
20:39<Daevien>heckman: pretty sure it was surrounding consolekit, might give you somethign to start searching from
20:39<MTecknology>heckman: can't you ctrl+alt+del from a tty?
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20:40<@heckman>Daevien: I'm not too worried about it as it is Beta. I'll probably do a reimage once the final version comes out because I had to rig up the install anyhow.
20:40<Daevien>yeah i rememebr you had a lot of issues with it
20:43<MTecknology>man... i change too many configs on servers...
20:44<@heckman>Daevien: I only installed 11.10 last week.
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20:46<Daevien>oh hmm, and you didn't have problems with it before then? maybe it was jed or something. i remember someone from linode cursing xubuntu
20:46<@caker>we would never
20:47<@heckman>Xfce > Unity
20:47<Daevien>it was more of that things were going downhill with the install, not specifically xfce :p
20:47<Daevien>openbox > xfce >>>>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>> unity
20:47<@heckman>My issue was due to a problem in all Ubuntu beta images. Bug in the installed.
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20:47<@caker>Mothers of the uninstalled
20:48<@heckman>installer, rather.
20:48<Daevien>unity, the os/2 warp of linux. nice concept, horrible result
20:49<@heckman>I dunno. It's seems like everyone is trying to simplify the user interface which makes power users need to do more work to be as productive.
20:49<Daevien>sadly half the channel prob had to go lookup os/2 warp as they are too young
20:49*Obsidian|server is sticking with mint + gnome2
20:50<@heckman>Daevien: I am too young, but I know what it is.
20:50<Daevien>ditch unity, install xfce. fairly minimal but has options most people need & doesn't have the horrible resources of other options or annoyance factor of unity
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20:50<MTecknology>xfce is kinda bloated imo...
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20:50<Daevien>it's gotten more bloated than it used to be. but still better than other common options
20:51<MTecknology>true
20:51<MTecknology>reboot time!
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20:51<Obsidian|server>xfce is nice on older systems, but I have never been a fan of the UI
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20:51<Daevien>then again, i'm typing this on an archlinux + openbox + tint2 laptop currently.. so not exactly the target audience of unity i guess
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20:53<@heckman>Daevien: Only reason I've not hopped ship to OpenBox is because I am too unmotivated to spend time getting it configured, plus I could never find a panel that I like. However, with mentioning tint2 you've taken care of one of those problems.
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20:54<Daevien>avant, adeskbar, tin2, lxdepanel, others i've forgotten right off
20:54<Daevien>there are some decent choices
20:54<ajmitch>so much unity hate around here :)
20:54<@heckman>Also. Rest in peace Steve Jobs.
20:54<Daevien>tint2 is pretty basic, i'm actually playing around with leaving tint2 up top and somethign else for jsut quick launchers essentially
20:55<@heckman>It's a bit heavy, but cairo dock is nice.
20:55*ajmitch is going to try out unity on oneiric & see if he can use it seriously for a few days
20:55<Daevien>i've had issues with cairo, mostly cause i don't want to load compiz
20:55<Daevien>ajmitch: i lasted maybe a day befor ei raged at unity and fdisk'd the install :p
20:55<MTecknology>like.. omg.. it's like.. so totally.. the exact same thing
20:55<ajmitch>Daevien: I've had unity on natty for a few months on my desktop at home, but I end up using my laptop more
20:56<@heckman>You can disable OpenGL stuff on it. I run Compiz on my desktop as I have the oomph to use it. My noteboot, well it might, but I'm not really needing compiz stuff.
20:56<Daevien>ajmitch: i found how it did stuff was annoying at best, sporadic at worst
20:56<@heckman>notebook*.
20:56<Obsidian|server>ajmitch: I like how I have gnome2 configured more than how ubuntu decides how I should use unity
20:56<Daevien>yeah you can run cairo without compiz but it doesn't work quite as well i found an di gave up and threw tint2 back on
20:56<ajmitch>Daevien: it's all the little bugs in the rather rushed natty release of it that irk me
20:57<MTecknology>my keyboard is acting a bit odd, but other than that- the exact same thing
20:57<ajmitch>Obsidian|server: I can understand that, I only just upgraded from lucid to maverick on my laptop recently
20:57<Obsidian|server>heh
20:57<Obsidian|server>I just moved from mint 9 to mint 11 a bit ago
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20:57<Obsidian|server>wireless being supported natively is nice++
20:57<ajmitch>pity that gnome 2.x is pretty much dead upstream now
20:57<MTecknology>I'm almost 100% sure that it's the fault of openbox.... /me checks
20:58<Obsidian|server>not having to recompile every kernel update is good.
20:58<Daevien>heckman: lxpanel is pretty nice too (i accidently calle dit lxdepanel)
20:58<MTecknology>yuppers- it is
20:58<ajmitch>why would you need to recompile the kernel anyway?
20:58<Obsidian|server>not recompile the kernel
20:58<MTecknology>ajmitch: who waouldn't want to!?
20:58<Obsidian|server>just recompile/install my wireless drivers
20:58<ajmitch>someone who just liked using their computer
20:59<Obsidian|server>at the time, the native drivers caused kernel panics >_<
20:59<ajmitch>I used to compile the kernel, as well as running KDE from CVS back a few years ago
20:59<ajmitch>too old for such things now ;)
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21:13<Solver>ajmitch: there are good reasons *not* to compile custom mainline kernels now. Distros usually do a lot of testing and add/backport useful stuff
21:15<bob2>heh ditto
21:15<ajmitch>right, about the only times I've compiled a kernel in the last few years was based off a distro's git branch with a fix or two
21:15<bob2>i don't even have the patience for oldconfig anymore
21:17<praetorian>#toozune?
21:18<Daevien>:p
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21:26<Obsidian|server>http://www.xkcdb.com/?410
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21:39<huma>poor jobs
21:39<huma>only 56
21:39<dominikh>rather 56 and a happy life than 90 and a miserable life
21:40<huma>true that
21:41<dominikh>huma: christ, since when do you hang out in this channel? I totally thought this was a different channel when I read your name :/
21:42<praetorian>http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/10/05/president-obama-passing-steve-jobs-he-changed-way-each-us-sees-world
21:42<praetorian>osama - you're doing it right
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21:42<huma>dominikh: since like today :)
21:43<dominikh>huma: cool. congratulations :P
21:43<dominikh>time for me to get some sleep, anyway
21:43<huma>someone told me that this #linode is actually the official one
21:43<dominikh>there's another one?
21:43<huma>unlike the freenode counterpart
21:43<dominikh>haha
21:44<dominikh>well, their topic even redirects here :>
21:44<huma>i'm used to have all the important channels on freenode :)
21:44<dominikh>alright, good night
21:44<huma>night
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21:55<Daevien>freenode & important in the sentence. you sure you don't have a fever huma?
21:56<huma>a lot of open source projects host their channels on freenode
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21:56<Obsidian|server>which is a shame
21:56<Obsidian|server>freenode isn't very well run anymore
21:56<Daevien>yeah, i know. freenode is still meh. oftc far better
21:57<bob2>zomg it's irc
21:57<bob2>let's stress about the MTA project mailing lists use too
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21:57<ajmitch>@bob2 I thought this was twitter?
21:57<praetorian>freenode is better since lilo went
21:58<praetorian>no offense, but he was he part i hated of it
21:59<Daevien>bob2: freenode vs oftc! php vs python!
21:59*Daevien waits for bob2 to explode
22:00<ajmitch>Daevien: you forgot to mention mysql
22:00<Daevien>mysql vs postgresql vs oracle!
22:00<Daevien>(yeah i pulled the oracle card, eww)
22:00<bob2>easy: oftc but meh, reddit.com/r/lolphp
22:01<kyhwana>hmm, offtopic, but anyone seeing any "K_guest" or "K_P" APs around? on some cisco wifi chips apparently
22:06<huma>Daevien: why is it not well run?
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22:08<@heckman>kyhwana: I've not noiced any, but I don't travel too much.
22:10<Kane`>ayo, #linode, i gots SSL troubles.
22:10<Kane`>does ca-certificates, on debian, provide GoDaddy's root/intermediate certs?
22:11<bd_>I imagine the root cert's probably there, but servers are generally expected to provide the client with the intermediate certs
22:11<Obsidian|server>odd - linode.com/irc/logs/ is loading very slowly
22:11<Kane`>well, my apache vhost has 'SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateKeyFile' setup but i'm missing 'SSLCACertificateFile and SSLCertificateChainFile'
22:12<Kane`>so i figured i need to point apache to the root cert and the intermediate cert
22:12<Kane`>but a `ls /etc/ssl/certs | grep gd` is returning nothing
22:12<bd_>You don't need SSLCACertificateFile
22:12<Kane`>ah
22:12<Kane`>beauty
22:12<Kane`>cheers
22:13*Kane` downloads the intermediate cert
22:13<bd_>SSLCACertificateFile is only for if you're authenticating _clients_ using _client_ certificates
22:13<bd_>which basically nobody actually does
22:14<Kane`>is there a recommended place to store intermediate certs? /etc/ssl/localcerts ?
22:14<Kane`>i like keeping to conventions :>
22:17<linbot>New news from forums: Running out of disk space... in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7865>
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22:18<kyhwana>nvm, figured it out, upstairs just turned on a bunch of encrypted/open wifis XD
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22:27<goose>I want to make Linode an offer
22:27<goose>I will pay $30/mo for a Linode 4096
22:27<linbot>New news from forums: Service? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7862>
22:27<goose>Yes? :D
22:27<@mikegrb>lulz
22:27<kyhwana>goose: lol
22:28<goose>So.. Offer accepted?
22:28<kyhwana>mikegrb: not when one of th eops says "lulz" to your offer
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22:29<goose>in some cultures, "lulz" is a form of "yes"
22:29<@Perihelion>I heard goose was in here.
22:29*goose *jedi hand wave*
22:29<goose>this is not the goose you're looking for
22:29<@Perihelion>lul means penis in Dutch you know
22:29<@Perihelion>So when you say "lulz" it's a bit like saying loldongs
22:29<@mikegrb>lulz
22:29<kyhwana>lol dongs
22:29<@Perihelion>I just wanted to share that gem with you
22:29*goose takes off his pants and runs around #Linode
22:29<@Perihelion>\o/
22:30<kyhwana>O.o
22:30<@Perihelion>492 people in here man
22:30<@Perihelion>That's awesome.
22:31<@Perihelion>We need more people
22:31<kyhwana>Good thing they don't all talk at once ;)
22:31<@Perihelion>Tell all of your friends how awesome Linode is
22:31<goose>HI FRIENDS
22:31<goose>LINODE IS TOTALLY AWESOME
22:31<Musfuut>Perihelion: 492 people in here... without something being broken
22:31<ajmitch>but we're on irc, surely that means we don't have friends?
22:31<goose>YOU SHOULD HANG OUT IN THEIR IRC CHANNEL, IRC.OFTC.NET #LINODE
22:31<goose>BTW DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX A BROKEN CAPS LOCK KEY?
22:31<kyhwana>Musfuut: well, if it was fremont, quarter would disappear and then come back to complain ;)
22:32<@mikegrb>lulz
22:32<Musfuut>Lol
22:32<kyhwana>goose: Hold down shift ;)
22:32<ajmitch>kyhwana: fremont never has problems!
22:32<StevenK>Ever!
22:32<@mikegrb>lulz
22:32<goose>...lol aj
22:32<kyhwana>Wait, I think.. yes, I think fremont is up!
22:32<goose>ajmitch, you know, windows servers are by far the most secure servers of any OS
22:32<@Perihelion>Let's make cakes
22:32<goose>you can't hack a server that's down
22:33<@Perihelion>Windows are you down down down down down
22:33<@Perihelion>DOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN
22:34<kyhwana>!urmum
22:34<linbot>kyhwana: Yo mommas got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:8/0) [mruom]
22:34<goose>FRIDAY, FRIDAY, FRIDAY, GOTTA GET DOWN ON FRIDAY
22:34<ajmitch>it's not friday yet
22:34<ajmitch>not even in NZ
22:34<goose>oh
22:34*pharaun wonders about making a website that is named "isfremontdown"
22:35<@Perihelion>Not loading = yes?
22:35<ajmitch>the domain looks to be available
22:35<kyhwana>phynode: you should
22:35<ajmitch>you could make millions!
22:35*ajmitch wonders when we can get windows vpses in fremont
22:36<kyhwana>or islinode<x>down ?
22:36<pharaun>nah just fremont :)
22:37<kyhwana>hehe
22:38*ajmitch wonders if it's worth signing up for a sixxs tunnel
22:38<ajmitch>they've got a PoP in wellington, so it'd make reaching local stuff a bit faster
22:39<kyhwana>yup
22:39<pharaun>ajmitch: i'm kind of meh toward sixxs myself
22:39<pharaun>cos of the whole points system
22:40<ajmitch>yeah, it seems like a hassle to sign up & get approved
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22:43<linbot>New news from forums: Linode consultant needed in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7869>
22:43<Daevien>oh god, an alohatone is awake and posting on the forums. everyone hide
22:44<@Perihelion>They have more forum posts than I do
22:45<pharaun>Daevien: point him here?
22:45<ajmitch>Daevien: don't you want to offer your consulting services?
22:45-!-goose [~goose@c-76-17-81-233.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Staying alive can kill you, it's taken years off of my life.]
22:45<pharaun>yeah consult for him :) at over $9000 a hour
22:45<kyhwana>phynode: I will beat you
22:45<Daevien>tab fail
22:46<pharaun>twice :)
22:46<Daevien>also, there are more than one alohatone, we discovered that when fremont was down
22:46<pharaun>and thanks for ruining it, i was waiting to see when he would notice
22:46<ajmitch>how disturbing
22:47<ajmitch>I don't think I've posted on the forums yet
22:47-!-goose [~goose@c-76-17-81-233.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linode
22:47<Daevien>my consulting services to various members of linode would be a baseball bat and lessons on where the hospital was in the hope ssome sense might beknocked into them after they recover
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22:47<pharaun>Daevien: for a fee of over $9000 i hope?
22:48<Daevien>nope, i'd do that consulting for free. ride to the hospital would cost though
22:48<linbot>New news from forums: Is this swap usage ok? in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7863>
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22:51<JoeK>im having an odd program
22:51<JoeK>problem*
22:51<JoeK>(yes im typing it)
22:52-!-orudie [~Paul@ool-45707363.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #linode
22:52<JoeK>the simple solution doesnt work, so i need to do it the hard way; this security-router unit currently is blocking LAN-everything, but WAN apparently works fine(LED blinking); however, i need to find its ip address and its not showing up in my active clients table on my main router
22:52<JoeK>the program by the manufacter uses UDP broadcast, but the download link to it borked
22:52<kyhwana>Hmm
22:52<JoeK>so, im on the wan side of that unit trying to figure its ip address and/or MAC
22:52<kyhwana>Hmm
22:53<ajmitch>look at the arp cache?
22:53<ajmitch>'arp -n'
22:53<kyhwana>You don't know your WAN IP?
22:53<JoeK>for the unit i dont
22:53<JoeK>hm
22:53<JoeK>i think i got
22:54<JoeK>ip i dont recognize in that arp cache
22:54<JoeK>oh wait, thats my main routers WAN port :/
22:55<JoeK>nope, the unit is not in the arp cache
22:56<JoeK>local clients connecting through the router arent able to get an ip, so i really cant do diagnostics from behind it
22:56<JoeK>however, the link is established
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23:00<JoeK>judging from the blinking of the led, it is responding as with the other idle devices on the network
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23:02<onats>hi again guys, when i select 12 months, in the completing your order page, the 10% does not reflect
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23:04<kyhwana>uh
23:04<amitz>onats: keep in mind about rounding up of months included effect.
23:04<onats>ok let me recompute
23:05-!-Knight [~BOSS@snubby.user.oftc.net] has joined #linode
23:06<amitz>onats: nd partial month included.
23:06<onats>i clicked continue, brings me back to sign up page
23:07<onats>amity, are you part of linode team?
23:07<kyhwana>!ops
23:07<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/
23:07<onats>can you help me check if my order went through?
23:07<onats>okay
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23:07<onats>any ops who can quickly help me with placing order?
23:08<kyhwana>onats: you should get an email
23:08-!-ngranek [~bigjocker@190.207.189.175] has joined #linode
23:09<amitz>onats: no mention of successful transaction, or pending?
23:09<onats>none
23:09<onats>had spaces in CC
23:11<amitz>oh, shouldn't. you can try again? or if you really want to you can send email to rrr.. cmmiw, service@linode.com
23:12<dr_jkl>can anyone running debian squeeze pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list ?
23:12*kyhwana squeezes dr_jkl
23:13<Daevien>dr_jkl: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/
23:13<amitz>dr_jkl: standard but why?
23:13-!-HedgeMage [~HedgeMage@99-8-16-70.lightspeed.iplsin.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode
23:13<dr_jkl>because i accidentally eated part of mine
23:14<dr_jkl>Daevien: i love you
23:14<dr_jkl>Thank you
23:14<Daevien>hehe :)
23:14<dr_jkl>I'm bookmarking that :D
23:14<Daevien>there's ubuntu one as well i fyou use that at all
23:15<Daevien>i believe default with linode is main, updates & security
23:15*ajmitch also has backports enabled, can't remember if that was default or not
23:15<Daevien>pretty sure it's not aj
23:16<ajmitch>probably isn't, though it's at least supported now
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23:28<JoeK>can anybody on a really high capacity line perform a speedtest to my server? flash is http://cambria.makaiwell.com/test, and 100MB is http://camrbia.makaiwell.com/100MB.zip
23:28<bob2>is it a linode
23:28<zivester>are there any irc channels for criminal charges?
23:29<avenj>I'm sure efnet has a few...
23:29<avenj>oh, did you not mean "to be charged criminally" ?
23:29<avenj>:o
23:30<bob2>....................................
23:30<zivester>ya
23:30<zivester>i hate new jerseyyyy
23:30<zivester>JoeK your second link doesn't work
23:30<JoeK>ooh, good point
23:31<JoeK>bob2: it is not, unfortunately
23:31<JoeK>my linode gets like 4-5MB/s to it
23:31<JoeK>zivester: i made a typo :X
23:31<JoeK>http://cambria.makaiwell.com/100MB.zip
23:31<JoeK>sorry, did it again; http://cambria.makaiwell.com/test/100MB.zip
23:32<JoeK>not having a positive day
23:33<@heckman>Yeah. Steve Jobs passing kind of sucks :/
23:33<onats>hi guys, the deployment disk size is the size of the OS?
23:33<zivester>my home laptop gets 3.79 MB/s
23:34<zivester>my desktop gets 5.04 MB/s
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23:34<@heckman>onats: It's the size of the disk image that your OS resides on, yes.
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23:35<zivester>JoeK my linode gets 10.4 MB/s
23:35<zivester>now how to find an irc channel to discuss criminal charges... u sure there aren't any attorneys in here?
23:36<kyhwana>zivester: ..
23:36<kyhwana>zivester: talk to a lawyer
23:37<zivester>gotta wait til tomorrow to do that :-p figured there are some criminals/lawyers on the interwebs during my hours
23:37<@heckman>Pro-tip: Obtaining legal advice on IRC is a terrible idea.
23:37<@mikegrb>lulz
23:37<zivester>lol
23:37<bob2>yes
23:37<bob2>jesus
23:38<zivester>and whoever heard of a "Simple Assault" how simple can assault really be
23:38<@heckman>zivester: I'm not sure #linode is this place for this conversation. Please take it elsewhere.
23:39<zivester>haha ok, sorry to bother fellow linodians
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23:44<bd_>zivester: _giving_ legal advice over IRC is a terrible idea as well
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23:45<hitman>how do I add a sub-domain, and an A record to it?
23:45<bob2>in the linode dns manager?
23:46<kyhwana>?dns
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23:46<kyhwana>!dns
23:46<linbot>kyhwana: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
23:46<kyhwana>hmm
23:47<kyhwana>I thought the linode DNS manager was realtively straight forward
23:47<hitman>should "Add a new A record" ?
23:47<kyhwana>hitman: yes
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23:48<hitman>"Yes, delete this sucker" lulz
23:48<@mikegrb>lulz
23:48<kyhwana>lol
23:48<@heckman>There are plenty of little jokes in everything. :)
23:48*ajmitch wonders why people are wanting disable ipv6 on their linode
23:49<kyhwana>ajmitch: They're still stuck in the 90s?
23:49<jspiros>Wait, there's ipv6 now?
23:49<@heckman>!ipv6
23:49<linbot>IPv6 is currently available in Fremont, Dallas, and Newark. The London and Atlanta facilities are currently undergoing internal testing, and Tokyo is in progress. More info: http://www.linode.com/IPv6/
23:49<kyhwana>and are retarded, or something.
23:49<jspiros>How exciting
23:49<jspiros>Don't need to tunnel anymore
23:49<@heckman>jspiros: You're a few months late... :p
23:50<A-KO>people actually want to turn off ipv6?
23:50<A-KO>Stupid is as stupid does.
23:50<kyhwana>A-KO: I know, but people are stupid, so it makes sense, I guess.
23:51<bob2>is "INTERNAL TESTING" better or worse than "IN PROGRESS"?
23:52<bob2>viz a viz tokyo ipv6
23:52<StevenK>bob2: PROGRESS
23:52<@heckman>Internal Testing means that we are testing the IPv6 functionality. In progress means we are working on getting it to a point where there can be internal testing. :p
23:52<bob2>heckman, ah thanks
23:52<A-KO>kyhwana: I'm looking at giving a presentation on IPv6 at the local hackerspace, starting with addressing--I've got a lot of the slides done, but picking various portions and explaining it to people at times exposes flaws in my explanation, but mostly on the level of people not understanding the binary behind an ip address and subnets
23:52<bob2>bah
23:52<bob2>now now now
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23:52<kyhwana>A-KO: ahhh
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.26490350, 0.90657974) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108286 of 137477 (π ≈ 3.150665202179274 - 0.009072548589481). http://π.hoopycat.com/
23:59<kyhwana>!pi
23:59<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.36399915, 0.45870092) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108287 of 137478 (π ≈ 3.150671380148097 - 0.009078726558303). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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