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---Logopened Sat Oct 15 00:00:40 2011
00:01<kyhwana>oh whoops
00:05<linbot>praetorian: Now 77% full (about 7 hours remaining). Last emptied yesterday at 13:50 UTC, last full Thursday at 02:30 UTC after running for 25.5 hours.
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00:10<StevenK>25 hours? It was running at about 11 hours about a month back, wasn't it?
00:11<dcraig>what's it fill up with?
00:11<dcraig>so confuse
00:12<pharaun>its humidity, winter, so its going down
00:12<pharaun>hoopy has less of an issue in the winter, its mainly the summer time
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00:14<ralphholzmann>heyo, I'm setting up a new lamp server on linode, and am having an issue with my apache config
00:14<ralphholzmann>the issue is that only the www-dot version of my site works
00:14<ralphholzmann>without the wwws, it doesn't
00:14<pharaun>Obsidian|server: and so thus it beguns, noise level is rising :>
00:14<ralphholzmann> vs
00:14<Knight>leenodah eh
00:14<pharaun>fix your redirect :)
00:15<pharaun>ralphholzmann: post your redirect rule
00:16<dcraig>maybe your apache config needs a "ServerAlias" line
00:17<dcraig>perhaps after the "ServerName" line
00:18<dcraig>now you've done it...
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00:47<Ecksley>Newb question here: Is their a relationship between the "echo "plato" > /etc/hostname" and a VirtualHost Servername/Serveralias. Do they need to be the same?
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00:50<chesty>they are independent
00:51<chesty>VirtualHost Servername/Serveralias needs to match dns
00:52<gadams>How much nom would a Linode nom if a Linode could om nom nom?
00:52<linbot>New news from forums: Newbie Question - What Distribution? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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00:52<pharaun>gadams: all of the ram of course
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00:56<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:56<@psandin>all the cake too
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01:16<Ecksley>chesty: Thanks! Regarding, VirtualHost Servername/Serveralias - so one has to have a domain before they can be set?
01:17<chesty>Ecksley: well, you can make one up, but ideally a real domain would be better
01:18<chesty>Ecksley: like you can create a servername and on your desktop add an entry for in /etc/hosts
01:18<chesty>that will work from your desktop only
01:20<Ecksley>chesty: I think I get you. With MAMP install I can set it up as anything I want. But with my Linode install it has to be read to work.
01:22<chesty>sort of. so you have a mac deskop? if you add a fake name to /etc/hosts pointing to your linode ip address, you can create that domain as a servername on your linode and it will work only from your mac
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01:24<Ecksley>ahhhh... now I see. Where my local entries all say I could put in my linode IP.
01:25<chesty>yes, like echo 123.456.789.012 >> /etc/hosts (where 123... is your linode ip address)
01:26<chesty>do that on your mac, then try ping
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01:28<Ecksley>So back to the "echo "plato" > /etc/hostname". There is no rule about what I put in place of "Plato". It can be anything I choose.
01:29<chesty>yes, but you need to edit /etc/hosts and have the appropriate line to match /etc/hostname
01:29<marshall>don't let plato in
01:30<marshall>he'll use ur linode for philosopheez
01:30<chesty>it's explained in a beginners doc in the linode library I believe
01:31<Ecksley>Yes, I've been reading, but you clarified a bunch of stuff. Thanks so much!
01:31<Ecksley>Marshall: If Plato can get my linode working he is welcome to it any time. :)
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01:44<spacefinn>heh, if I open port 22 on my router at home, I get a bunch of failed login attempts from various places around the world
01:44<spacefinn>so far, I haven't gotten a single on my linode
01:45<boba>You'll get some sooner or later
01:45<dvgrhl>spacefinn: what is your ip? :D
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01:46<spacefinn>I disabled password authentication on the linode, so I'm not that concerned
01:47<crazedfred1>Well pharaun, I got good news :) Now postfix *CAN TALK* to my SASL agent, horrah, it just thinks it's getting the wrong password :/
01:47<crazedfred1>Oh yeah & bdube wanted to know too heh
01:49<crazedfred1>Unfortunately, there appears to be no debug option that actually shows me given vs expected password, so fixing will be tricky
01:52<chesty>to rock a rhyme that's right on time, it's tricky
01:52<pharaun>crazedfred1: heh
01:52<pharaun>progress \o/
01:52<crazedfred1>But hey, "wrong password" is a HUGE leap over "no file go to hell"
01:52<crazedfred1>yeah lol
01:52<crazedfred1>SHUT UP MIKEY
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01:53<crazedfred1>it must be some insiduous campaign against that part of internet slang, specifically
01:53<crazedfred1>I propose all further phrases be typed as l0l instead
01:54<crazedfred1>or upper-case Ls as that looks better
01:54<chesty>sort of, amitz uses col (chuckling out loud)
01:54<pharaun>i propse pipewrench on your skull
01:54<chesty>rofl is also a no no
01:54<crazedfred1>zeroes are the answer to everthing: L0L
01:54<pharaun>chesty: i thought you had a copyright on culz
01:55<@psandin>I thought it was a bot trigger too, I gues chesty is just a super ninja (most of the time)
01:55<chesty>pharaun: I own all rights to col (chortling out loud)
01:55<crazedfred1>first result for "irc lulz bot":
01:55<crazedfred1>I am amused
01:56<pharaun>chesty: :D
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02:06<crazedfred1>So, to business: I am having a problem with postfix rejecting my login as a bad password even though SASL does not. I'm using the standard Perl method to encode my username/password, how can I debug this further? An example of SASL/Postfix: (, my postconf/logs: (
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02:18<boba>I have no idea about SASL details but... Are you supposed to base64 encode your entire auth string?
02:18<boba>Ah the docs say so, ok
02:20<crazedfred1>That's how telnet rolls, evidently
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02:21<kenyon>crazedfred1: do you have /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf ?
02:21<crazedfred1>yes, "pwcheck_method: saslauthd
02:21<crazedfred1>mech_list: PLAIN LOGIN"
02:21<crazedfred1>I followed this guide:
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02:24<kenyon>crazedfred1: do you have OPTIONS="-c -m /var/spool/postfix/var/run/saslauthd" in /etc/default/saslauthd ?
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02:24<crazedfred1>Currently it is OPTIONS="-c -m /var/run/saslauthd"
02:24<kenyon>that's probably the problem
02:24<crazedfred1>but postfix can talk to SASL... otherwise it'd say general failure I think?
02:25<kenyon>debian postfix runs in a chroot
02:25<crazedfred1>I'll swap out for your line and restart sasl/postfix. Where did you get that line?
02:25<kenyon>it's in the comments of that file
02:25<crazedfred1>so it is... ic
02:27<kenyon>I have this working and it is a pain to set up, lots of little things that are easy to overlook. I have postfix using dovecot sasl on another machine, that's easier I think.
02:27<kenyon>been a while since I set these up though
02:27<crazedfred1>Hmmm, if I didn't have Cryus-SASL already working I'd probably switch :)
02:28<crazedfred1>kenyon: same Authentication failure
02:29<crazedfred1>Same "SASL authentication failure: Password verification failed" error as that pastebin has :(
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04:52<AlexC_>yay for gaining nearly 100MB of memory by changing kernel
04:53<dwfreed>AlexC_: switched from amd64 to i686 kernel? or switched to lastest kernel version?
04:53<AlexC_>dwfreed: switched from latest 2.6 to latest 3.0
04:53<dwfreed>yeah, that'll do it
04:54<AlexC_>indeed, it's been on my list to do for a while and I finally found a window to schedule the change
04:54<dwfreed>I've been wanting to get a linode again; I need to find a source of income
04:55<AlexC_>dwfreed: do you still have two kidneys?
04:55<dwfreed>I'm not selling a kidney
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04:57<dwfreed>damn, the nearest plasma donation center is 100 miles away
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06:18<adoyee_>hello,every one
06:19<adoyee_>Is any admin here?
06:20<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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06:28<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
06:29<kyhwana>he left
06:29<adoyee_>he , I'' here
06:30<adoyee_>I lost my credit card servel days ago.
06:30<adoyee_>and will recieve a new one in two weeks.
06:32<adoyee_>OK, I has make a support ticket, is that OK?
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06:36<adoyee_>thanks. good luck with you.
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06:37<kyhwana>mm, oktoberfest beers
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07:30<Bartzy>Anyone using the facebook api here any having issues right now ? :)
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07:43<marius>OpenVZ is the virtualization platform that's often used for overselling etc, isn't it ?
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07:53<kyhwana>AlexC_: nice password
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08:09<chesty>looks like a pwgen 15 password
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08:18<AlexC_>well, thankfully I use different credentials for everything ;)
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08:25<hawk>AlexC_: What was that for?
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08:38<@heckman>Ubuntu 11.10 broke the HFS. :(
08:38<AlexC_>how so?
08:38<@heckman>They don't use /var/run any longer, they use /run
08:39<@heckman>Therein breaking the FHS
08:40<chesty>heckman: run has been added to the standard
08:40<half_duplex>Is it normal for apt-get update to be getting amd64 packages considering the Linode I'm on is using a Xeon? Is it just because it's a 64-bit CPU?
08:40<@heckman>half_duplex: AMD is the one who invented that architecture.
08:40<@heckman>half_duplex: So it's called amd64 for that reason. :)
08:41<half_duplex>Okie-dokie then :)
08:41<@heckman>chesty: what version?
08:41<chesty>heckman: a future version
08:41<chesty>but it will be there
08:42<chesty>not at all
08:42<@psandin>for a second there I thought my righteous rage was misplaced
08:42<chesty>google fhs /run
08:42<AlexC_>Debian is also doing the same, even with /tmp -> /run/tmp by the looks
08:42<@psandin>it's dumb, but atlest it's standardized dumb
08:43*psandin shakes a fist
08:43<@heckman>Well, it breaks stuff
08:44<chesty>/var/run is a symlink to /run
08:44<chesty>plus /run was done for a good reason
08:44<@heckman>enlighten me
08:45<chesty>well, /var isn't available early in the boot process, so they put stuff that should have been in /var/run in /dev, now /run is immediately available they can move stuff out of /dev and put it in /run where it belongs
08:46<ribasushi>heckman: it's a cleanup of another shortsighted cleanup of another shortsight
08:46<ribasushi>heckman: mainly to reduce the amount of pivots mounts and other buggery when bootking systems with increasingly userland-dependant core filesystems
08:47<ribasushi>also I can't type
08:47<@heckman>No worries, I suffer from the same affliction.
08:47<@psandin>see and that's why we have standards, so smart people can make smart decisions and the rest of us can follow in their smart footsteps
08:47<@heckman>ALso, 11.10 breaking virtual interfaces = FTL
08:49<ribasushi>psandin: smart people are unfortunately more known for making really dumb decisions, but oh well :)
08:49<chesty>heckman: how did they break vi?
08:50<@psandin>ribasushi: so are dumb people, so I'll take my chances
08:50<@psandin>I also have no illusions about which camp I'm in
08:52<chesty>psandin: i'm still confused whether you're one or two people
08:53<chesty>like old married couples share the same email address
08:53<chesty>you can have you're own you know, i say, but no
08:53<chesty>too slow
08:53<Obsidian|server>late to the draw. bawww.
08:53<chesty>too slow
08:53<@psandin>chesty: really? I wasn't aware I had an evil twin on the loose
08:53<Obsidian|server>that's what I get for flipping between virtual desktops
08:53<chesty>psandin: ps and in
08:54<Obsidian|server>ba-dum pish.
08:54<Obsidian|server>I will hand it to you, the buildup to the punchline was smooth.
08:54*Obsidian|server claps softly
08:56<@psandin>yeah, the set up was great
08:56<Obsidian|server>Hmm, dealing with the integer version of IPs...wonder if I can find a way to compress the db table of tor exit node IPs...
08:56<@psandin>the punchline however left too much desire to punch
08:56*Obsidian|server facedesks - can't edit the table then, makes it harder to update
08:56<Obsidian|server>psandin: use some good gloves then
08:58<chesty>move on already, jokes happen in an instant. there's no after show analysis
08:58<Obsidian|server>but we're trying to act like sports commentators
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09:02<@heckman>chesty: If you use the good-old debian stanza interfaces configuration it will not bring up eth0:0 (psandin found it)
09:02<@heckman>Also was mentioned on the UF as well.
09:04<@psandin>some other dude found it, I just documented it and swore at it a bit
09:04<@heckman>and then raged at me in PM
09:04<chesty>i disagree
09:04<@heckman>Like I was somehow going to coerce the devs in to fixing it.
09:04<@psandin>that was the swaering part
09:04<@psandin>typing is hard, it's late :(
09:04<@heckman>root@clu:~# date
09:04<@heckman>Sat Oct 15 09:04:33 EDT 2011
09:05*psandin stabs heckman
09:05<@psandin>sorry folks you'll have to do without
09:05<@psandin>jico: you're on your own, sorry
09:05<chesty>i have the good-old debian stanza for 10.x and my 10.x ip is bound
09:05<@psandin>it's new to 11.10
09:05<chesty>yes, 11.10
09:06<chesty>it doesn't show in ifconfig, but it does in ip ad
09:06<@psandin>well that's cute
09:06<@psandin>I was looking at iconfig
09:06*psandin marches back to the test Linode
09:06<Alex-HK>HI all, i have basic pptpd server that comes with centos, there is no any special settings at pptpd config changed. direct download speed from my fremont's linode is 1200KB/s. after I connect to my linode by pptpd download speed is trerrible less than 80KB/s, I googled for it all this day but still no result... is it problem of centos? someone had this kind of issue?
09:08<chesty>Alex-HK: i believe you're hitting the upload limit impossed by linode
09:08<chesty>oh, it's 50MB
09:08<@psandin>there's no inbound/upload limit
09:08<@psandin>and yeah out is 50MB, so not yet
09:09<@psandin>Alex-HK: Try tokyo?
09:09<linbot>GFW FTL
09:09<Alex-HK>but I just download from the server by pptpd where is upload???
09:09<chesty>Alex-HK: forget what I said. it's not the issue
09:09<Alex-HK>normal direct download is so great 1200kb/s
09:10<Alex-HK>@psandin: I haven't tried tokyo yet but I would like to know result before to move to there..
09:11<dwfreed>heckman: ifconfig is actually deprecated in most distros these days, due to the limitation that you can't see more than one IPv4 address per virtual interface; use ip anyway, as it has many more features that ifconfig is missing
09:11<Alex-HK>I do not think it is server equipment problem..
09:11<@heckman>dwfreed: I'm well aware it's deprecated
09:12<chesty>Alex-HK: there's a few things going on when you tunnel, like mtu get's reduced. you're not blocking icmp are you?
09:12<dwfreed>heckman: old habits die hard?
09:12<@heckman>It does not make sense, however, that the virtual interface labeled as eth0:0 would *not* show up in ifconfig
09:12<chesty>where did that ' come from?
09:12<@heckman>Regardless of it being deprecated. That's how the debian-style of configuration is and it makes no sense to change the way ifconfig outputs the information if you are going to keep the interfaces file configuration style the same.
09:13<chesty>it's not a virtual interface, it's a label. and the man page is wrong
09:13<@heckman>Okay, "label". My point still stands.
09:13<Obsidian|server>just someone's brilliant idea
09:14<Obsidian|server>let's irritate the users into not using this tool anymore!
09:14<Alex-HK>chesty: no any icmp blocking on the client side, should mtu get reduced so much to have such a slow dl speed
09:14<dwfreed>labelling is a workaround for ifconfig's limitation, and so is completely pointless anyway
09:15<@heckman>Still the way their config file does it.
09:15<@heckman>If you're going to make the change, please don't be half-baked about it.
09:15<chesty>Alex-HK: eth0 mtu is usually 1500, the tunnel mtu might be 1492 or whatever, so if a 1500 packet comes along, it has to either fragment it, or reject it
09:16<dwfreed>heh, i just used up and down lines in my debian config
09:16<chesty>dwfreed: you don't even have a linode
09:16<dwfreed>chesty: thus past tense
09:17<Alex-HK>thanks chesty: so exactly the difference of the mtu'smakes dl so slow, right?
09:17<chesty>Alex-HK: i don't know if that is the problem in your case
09:18<chesty>pastbin ip ad and tcpdump might help
09:18<chesty>but I'm on my 7th beer
09:18<chesty>going for 9
09:18<Alex-HK>chesty: but normaly, it should not be so slow right? because it should have a sence to use a tunnel
09:19<chesty>Alex-HK: all i know is mtu problems can be a bitch, i don't know if that's your problem
09:20<Alex-HK>chesty: thanks! at least now I know where start to dig..
09:22<Obsidian|server>love it when some previously written code of me and SamT's suddenly comes in handy and I can repurpose it. Yay!
09:23<Obsidian|server>heckman: quite so - clean breaks in behavior are best, yeah
09:26<Obsidian|server>hmm, to be sure, the one way you can always tell if it's an IPv6 address is the presence of a :, yeah?
09:26<Obsidian|server>(as opposed to ipv4)
09:27<dwfreed>chesty: friends don't let friends drink and IRC; heckman: /mode +b chesty
09:28<dwfreed>Obsidian|server: yes
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09:29<Obsidian|server>thanks dwfreed
09:30<@heckman>pfft, I drink and IRC all the time.
09:30<AlexC_>Obsidian|server: only if you're sure you'll never get a port provided as well
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09:31<Obsidian|server>bah, stupid ipv6 being 128 bits. I don't think I can use numeric ranges for lookups. Ah well - don't think I'll really need that functionality
09:31<Obsidian|server>AlexC_: yep, i'm sure - good point though
09:31<@heckman>Yeah man, those 128-bits are hard to memorize.
09:32<dwfreed>if there is a period in the string before the first colon, it's IPv4; if a colon comes before a period, it's IPv6
09:32<Obsidian|server>heckman: I mean, you can't flip to normal number ranges and query that against a db using >= <=
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09:32<@heckman>I know.
09:32<Obsidian|server>which makes me sad.
09:34<dwfreed>BigNumber FTW
09:37<Obsidian|server>hmm, wonder if ubuntu 11.10 managed to add support for Hi10P in h.264 videos.
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11:14<marius>r# shutdown -r 0 now
11:14<marius>-bash: /sbin/shutdown: Input/output error
11:14<marius>Tjat cma
11:14<marius>That can't be good
11:14<marius>amirite ?
11:14<@heckman>Why not just type reboot?
11:14<@heckman>Too cool for that?
11:14<marius>Because not all of us install those silly commands
11:15<Obsidian|server>you could always rm the power cord
11:15<marius>yeah, I suspect I'll have to do that
11:15<Obsidian|server>that's supposed to shut systems down
11:15<marius>It just happened randomly, the system had 11GB free memory and everything so I don'tk now why thath appened
11:15<marius>Every command I try gets the input/output error or segfault
11:16<Obsidian|server>sounds like filesystem or memory failure
11:16<@heckman>memtest86+ that badboy after you reboot it
11:16<EugeneKay>I'm gonna say it's somethign to do wiht your spellign
11:17<EugeneKay>Probably not, but it couldn't hurt to get it fixed.
11:33<jaskal>is there a sandbox for the linode api, does anyone know?
11:33<@caker>there is not
11:34<jaskal>i see, thanks...
11:39<AlexC_>I love it when clients send over designs for their websites, at 300DPI
11:40<rnowak>print it yo
11:40<jaskal>AlexC_: i often get screenshots of what they want, pasted into a word doc, that is then attached to the email...
11:40<jaskal>why not just attach the screenshot directly?
11:40<AlexC_>jaskal: hah :P
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12:19<bdube>that's twice now molly-guard on my linode hasn't asked me to verify a reboot
12:19<AlexC_>are you sure?
12:20<Fieldy>i guess you need to ask yourself before selecting it then, that's the verify ;)
12:20<Fieldy>this ain't windows
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12:20<bdube>AlexC_: yes, I'm sure
12:20<AlexC_>bdube: :P
12:21<@heckman>bdube: are you sure?
12:21<rnowak>are YOU sure, heckman?
12:21<rnowak>just checking
12:22<bdube>Fieldy: I wanted to reboot. I'm well aware this ain't windows, I don't run Windows
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12:28<linbot>New news from forums: Error with postfix + dovecot... in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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12:49<SleePy>Windows makes me so mad!
12:50<SleePy>Install windows updates, restart. iTunes update pops up, restart again. More windows updates, more restarts.. :(
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12:51<@heckman>SleePy: at least it doens't have "Unity"
12:51<dwfreed>or Gnome3
12:51<dwfreed>or upstart
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12:53<SleePy>heckman, I think I would take unity over restarting for every update
12:53<@heckman>You've never used Unity.
12:53<@heckman>Ask rnowak what he thinks about Unity. :p
12:54<rnowak>ha ha. ha. ha.
12:54<SleePy>I seen unity once.. I hate it. I was like where did all my stuff go :P
12:54<rnowak>unity4life man, fucking fantastic
12:54<AviMarcus>Since I don't know any other tech-irc channel to ask in.. does anyone have a music player that syncs playlists from linux (debian/ubuntu/mint) to an android device? I got music syncing, but not the actual playlists.
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12:55<rnowak>fancy pants playlists
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12:59<Obsidian|server>heckman: mint 11, gnome sans unity.
12:59<@heckman>I heard there is a sweet function in Gnome Shell to allow you to flip it to classic mode or something.
12:59<@heckman>Maybe I misread or something.
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12:59<Obsidian|server>iirc it was removed as of 11.10
13:00<Obsidian|server>I'm not sure though
13:00<@heckman>No no, not the log in setting
13:00<@heckman>I mean an actual setting in Gnome Shell (Aka Gnome 3.0)
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13:00<rnowak>let's do this, installing gnome 3 *brace brace brace*
13:01<Obsidian|server>are you saying that there's a way to not have gnome3 neuter every option in existence and not be a totalitarian WM?
13:01<Obsidian|server>This...this doesn't seem real
13:01*Obsidian|server pinches self
13:02<@heckman>I'm saying there may be
13:02<@heckman>I don't remember
13:02<rnowak>it is pulling in hamster-applet, I don't even
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13:03<marius>memtest taim :3
13:04<marius>although I am keeping a finger on HDD as it wouldn't boot up and the raid controller had issues finding disks
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13:04<rnowak>you're jelly of my hamster-applet heckman
13:05<rnowak>itym very much so
13:16<AviMarcus>so.. any ideas about the playlist syncing?
13:18<AviMarcus>googling around only seems to find other people with the same issue but no solution. I can't believe I'm the only person on a droid that wants a unified music/playlist..
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13:22<ermal>hi there
13:23<ermal>I need some help to suspend my server asap, or just block it so no one can access the server
13:23<ermal>can someone guide me to do this?
13:24<AlexC_>ermal: you could either block the traffic, or simply remove the IP address and access only via Lish
13:24<dominikh1>(or shut it down)
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13:26<ermal>ok I have an sys admin that handled the server and he got fired this friday, I need to make sure that he has no access
13:27<ermal>he might contact you guys and start the server again, I need to find out a way to restrict anyone from accessing the server
13:27<AlexC_>ermal: no one here can start the server; only those who have access to your account
13:28<AlexC_>ermal: the only true way to ensure he does not have access to the server is to rebuild it. A sysadmin that got fired could for example have easily configured many "backdoors" for him to access
13:29<AviMarcus>ok again offtopic.. if I have an ebook I want to sell... but enable people to order real copies of it, who does 1-off printing + ordering website for the lowest cost? amazon has something?
13:29<Ethelim>you're going to have to change your linode password, the passwords to all services running on that box (e.g. FTP, SQL, wordpress? jira etc.). You'd be well off having a replacement admin at hand who can go through it all without missing anything
13:29<ermal>ok, so should I change the linode password for now and shut down the server?
13:30<Ethelim>that's the only temporarily safe method
13:30<AlexC_>ermal: you should have a policy in place within your company to be changing passwords anyway upon someones dismissal
13:31<ermal>right, we are a very small company and we never thought we'll get to this place.
13:31<Ethelim>size doesn't matter here :P
13:31<ermal>so if I shut down the server, he wont be able to start it without going through linode's admin page correct
13:31<AlexC_>ermal: if shutting down your server isn't going to impact your business, then sure, you could do just that until you draw up a plan. But 100% start by changing your Linode account password
13:31<AlexC_>ermal: correct
13:32<ermal>ok great! Thanks so much guys!
13:32<AlexC_>well, technically other ways (API and such) but you'd still need to authenticate
13:33<AlexC_>I always thought it was strange that the company I previous left had me remove my own access, since I was one of the sysadmins ... not sure of the logic behind that
13:33<Ethelim>as long as he doesn't get into the linode account(s) anymore, he won't be able to restart them with whatever other passwords he may have. You should email Linode and notify them of the eventuality that they may get contacted by someone other than you, and that they shouldn't deal with the person
13:34<Ethelim>Also - if he setup your email account, make sure he can't impersonate you by logging into your email account
13:34<Ethelim>that's assuming your email doesn't run off of your linode
13:34<AlexC_>and access to DNS ... oh the fun that could be had
13:35<Ethelim>oh yea your domain registrar account
13:35<AlexC_>ermal: few more points to read up on ^^
13:35<ermal>Yeah, i hear you, he got fired on thursday due to a sexual harassment and he started threatening to delete all the files
13:36<AlexC_>we don't need to know the details :)
13:36<Ethelim>I understand your frustration
13:37<ermal>I appreciate for these great tips, we use gmail and him and I are both admins, but I changed the linode account to an email address that is not under our domain
13:37<AlexC_>ermal: remove his account and add it back as an alias to your user
13:38<Ethelim>for future reference, best be prepared with a kill-access policy in place so when you fire someone, all necessary steps are taken. That way someone you had a falling out with can't hold company assets hostage. At least not via the IT infrastructure
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13:39<ermal>yes, I just did that! Thanks so much guys!
13:39<Ethelim>That also requires that you keep track of everything and anything with a username and password.
13:39<AlexC_>and not just for fire, for those that leave on their own accord
13:39<ermal>I am downloading all the files from the ftp before i shut it down and get someone else to do deal with the server
13:40<AlexC_>and then review your use of FTP :P
13:40<ermal>do you guys know a quick way to take a backup my databases? they are small but I just want to have a copy just in case
13:40<AlexC_>ermal: database of what?
13:40<Ethelim>also check out lastpass, that thing has a useful setting where you share account access with people without them knowing the passwords (works only for websites without them seeing the pw) - that allows instant pulling of email access though if you stick to web based email access
13:41<AlexC_>Ethelim: that feature of Lastpass is not secure
13:41<Ethelim>Are you using the linode backup service
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13:42<ermal>Ethelim, yeah thats all taken care of...
13:42<Ethelim>Alex: does it decrypt it client-side?
13:42<ermal>yes, I am using linode backup service, how do I make sure he cant access that?
13:43<Ethelim>via your linode password - change it, and try logging in with the old one to make sure you changed the right password
13:43<AlexC_>Ethelim: well of course, it has to. Say you have just shared the password for "" to me, all I need to do is edit /etc/hosts to point to localhost, setup a similar form and log the values that got submitted. I could also intercept the JS and see the value
13:43<AlexC_>it's a very deceptive feature of Lastpass and it really should never have been implemented
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13:44<Ethelim>Alex: good point, I should stop recommending that lol
13:47<Ethelim>something else, can anyone recommend a good resource re troubleshooting cron jobs? I'm looking at a cronjob via crontab -L that looks setup correctly, and it just doesn't execute. About to go mad here.
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13:47<dwfreed>Ethelim: what's the crontab line?
13:48<Ethelim>0 * * * * /usr/bin/php -q /srv/www/
13:48<AlexC_>Ethelim: check the mail for the user it is running as
13:49<AlexC_>and '-q'?
13:49<Ethelim>I am. It's not mailing me
13:49<Ethelim>no errors anyway
13:49<Ethelim>to avoid that it sends mail every time it tries to execute
13:49<dwfreed>Ethelim: what are you using for a cron daemon?
13:50<Ethelim>no clue whatsoever (I have a hunch that's where the problem lies)
13:50<AviMarcus>AlexC_, huh. that hardly sounds secure. Did you ask them about it?
13:50<dwfreed>Ethelim: okay, what distro?
13:50<AlexC_>Ethelim: what happens when you run the command manually? And -q is for CGI only ... you're running CLI
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13:51<Ethelim>ok, let me remove that q
13:51<AlexC_>AviMarcus: they're well aware, but like to continue to use it
13:51<Ethelim>got that off some guide
13:51<AlexC_>most guides about PHP are created by those who have < 1 month PHP experiance, and thus are crap
13:53<rnowak>just eval it bro, amirite
13:53<AlexC_>you are right!
13:53<dwfreed>Ethelim: remove the -q, change the 0 to */1, and change the script to something that just says "Hello world" or something, and check the mail for the user it runs as for mail in 2 minutes
13:53<AlexC_><?php eval($_POST['foo']); ?> ... it's how you get other people to code your project for you
13:54<ermal>one more question guys, is there a way to shut down the dns for the email or once the server is shut down the dns's are off as well?
13:55<hawk>Only if that server is the (only) dns server for whatever domains are involved
13:56<AlexC_>ermal: just remove access to where ever you configure the DNS zones
13:56<Ethelim>chances are that if you can shut down the server without interrupting anything else your DNS might be with the registrar where you /your admin registered the domain, so he could redirect your domain by logging into that and changing the records
13:56<AlexC_>and access to the domain registrar (if he has access to that, he can change nameservers)
13:57<ermal>My DNS is hosted on Linode, DNS Manager
13:57<Ethelim>where did you register your domain name(s)?
13:57<AlexC_>ermal: ok, so if you changed the password for that then he can not alter the DNS records. Now go and remove access to the registrar so he can't change the nameservers used
13:57<ermal>ok perfect!
13:58<Ethelim>(means change your go daddy passwords)
13:59<ermal>right, thanks so much guys, he never had access to my godaddy account
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14:00<AlexC_>that you're aware of :)
14:00<@heckman>That reminds me I want to transfer my domain to
14:01<AlexC_>he configured your emails afterall, very easy to get into your GoDaddy account with access to your email account
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14:02<Ethelim>while you're at it, make sure he's not hiding in your fridge, stealing your beers (freddie wong style)
14:02<AlexC_>heckman: mmm they are quite cheap as well
14:04<@heckman>I just wanna get my stuff off of GF
14:04<Ethelim>Do I need to manually start that cron daemon? I naively assumed creating a crontab file would be sufficient
14:05<dwfreed>heckman: is pretty cheap too, as well as one through google apps
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14:05<AlexC_>Ethelim: crons already doing things you're probably even unaware of, so it's already started
14:05<Ethelim>using name cheap myself, so far no complaints
14:05<@heckman>Namecheap, afaik, still requires a support ticket for v6 glues
14:05<dwfreed>Ethelim: 'sudo service cron start' will complain if it's already started, so it won't hurt
14:05<Ethelim>crontab -L only shows the two lines I added myself though
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14:06<Ethelim>it's running already
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14:06<@heckman>Ethelim: there's other jobs that are probable scheduled elsehwere in /etc/cron.*
14:07<dwfreed>heckman: so just use Linode for dns
14:07<@heckman>I'm not talking about DNS, I'm talking about setting the actual authoritative name servers.
14:08<@heckman>Well, kind of DNS. Not the actual hosting of it.
14:08<ermal>AlexC and Ethelim, thank you so much for all your help, I have to get out of here now. Thanks a lot!
14:08<AlexC_>ermal: change the locks as well!
14:08<ermal>hahaha, I will :)
14:09<ermal>thanks guys
14:09<Ethelim>ok when I manually try to execute that php via the command line I entered into the crontab I get a couple of errors. one complains about "comments starting with # are deprecated in /etc7Php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini" and the second one complains about the absence of a log directory at the location of the file I'm trying to have it execute
14:09<Ethelim>good luck ermal
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14:09<@heckman>First is a warning, second seems like it needs to be fixed.
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14:10<Ethelim>I don't see that error when I run the php via browser
14:10<Ethelim>and I have error messages enabled on that server
14:10<Ethelim>php ones that is
14:10<AlexC_>Ethelim: CLI, CGI and mod_php SAPIs have different configuration, hence the /etc/php/{cli,cgi,apache}
14:11<@heckman>Ugh, I knew I forgot to get something on my way home...
14:11<Ethelim>your kid? :o
14:11<AlexC_>(assuming default Ubuntu packages here)
14:11<Ethelim>I am using the default Ubtu 10.4 LTE (or some such) package
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14:11<AlexC_>Ubuntu 10.04 LTS ... let's not make up our own distros :P
14:12<Ethelim>hey it's been a year since I set that up, and only ever been updating it since, and barely touched any internal workings, which I know, shows. haha
14:12<AlexC_>Ethelim: for your first deprecated warning, `sed -i 's/^#/;/' /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini` should fix it up
14:13<Ethelim>I'm not going to have a fridge delivered when I use that command am I
14:15<Ethelim>yea, the # error is gone, thanks
14:16<Ethelim>is there a way to keep it from trying to log that crontab php execution?
14:16<Ethelim>sorry - brb phone
14:17<AlexC_>cron by default will email any output to the user it's running as. Is that what you mean by log?
14:18<AlexC_>if not, pastebin the output of the script
14:25<SleePy>"You have to download a total of 325 M. This download will take about 2 minutes with your connection. " <-- I wish my home connection was that fast
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14:26<AlexC_>that would take almost 10x that here =(
14:27<@heckman>SleePy: that's only 21.67 Mb/s
14:27<@heckman>My home internet is 3x as fast as that
14:27<AlexC_>and I bet it's cheaper than my connection!
14:28<SleePy>heckman, Thats about 310% faster than my connection :P
14:28<AlexC_>Ethelim: mmhmm, so the script needs fixing or you're going to have to do something ugly like 'cd' to the directory of the script first, and then run php
14:28<SleePy>Not that I checked :D
14:29<Ethelim>the script as in the php itself?
14:29<Ethelim>or the crontab call?
14:29<AlexC_>the pwd of the php file
14:29<Ethelim>pwd as in password?
14:29<@heckman>working directory
14:29<Obsidian|server>pwd as in print working directory
14:30<AlexC_>as in /srv/www/
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14:31<Obsidian|server>you could also modify your script to use __DIR__ or dirname(__FILE__) for setting the location of the log directory
14:31<Obsidian|server>those will resolve the absolute path of the script, then you just specify the path to the log dir from there
14:31<Ethelim>are you saying I should move the php to /usr/root and adjust the path inside the php accordingly? Or is this about directory perms of the "blah" subdir?
14:32<Obsidian|server>(it's a better idea in the end for portable code)
14:32<Obsidian|server>don't need to
14:32<AlexC_>Ethelim: no, you would either A) change cronjob to 'cd foobar && php ...' (ugly) B) Create a wrapper script C) Modify the PHP
14:33<Obsidian|server>modify the paths in the php to use __DIR__ (if you use php 5.3) at the beginning of the path
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14:33<Obsidian|server>e.g. file_get_contents(__DIR__ . '/logs/logfile.txt')
14:33<Ethelim>I'm not sure why it's trying to log anything at all, the php has no output, and if it does I would only want it emailed to the MAILTO= addy in the crontab (but that doesn't seem to work either)
14:34<Obsidian|server>Ah, so it's crontab complaining?
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14:34<AlexC_>Ethelim: that's the PHP script doing that
14:34<Ethelim>that log dir error I get when I try to execute the command I have in the cron file (without the scheduler bits)
14:35<AlexC_>yes that's the PHP trying to open the 'logs' directory
14:35<Ethelim>ohhh I think I follow
14:35<Ethelim>right, I get it now - let me mod the php
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14:43<Ethelim>ok it executes correctly by manual execution of the crontab line now. Only thing left is the question of why doesn't crontab email me even though I have the line in there. Does the MAILTO need its line to start with a pound sign as well?
14:44<AlexC_>Ethelim: what happens if you remove the MAILTO all together, do you get an email to the user that is running the cronjob?
14:45<Ethelim>I'm not sure if I set that up correctly, an email for the root user that is
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14:46<AlexC_>Ethelim: it should be automagic. Try it and look in /var/mail
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14:46<Ethelim>do mails show up has files in there?
14:47<Ethelim>waiting for the */1 * * * * printf hello world entry to execute
14:47<AlexC_>Ethelim: maybe the 'mail' command will be easier, or mutt :)
14:49<Ethelim> /var/mail is empty still
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14:53<Ethelim>and neither mutt nor mail work from the command line (not found)
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14:54<@heckman>I think this'll fix that:
14:54<@heckman>(mail anyway)
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15:06<linbot>pjbrunet: Point (0.89272100, 0.69608571) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108321 of 137516 (π ≈ 3.150789726286396 - 0.009197072696603). http://π
15:07<pjbrunet>Maybe I should go "outside" in real life.
15:08<pjbrunet>Why isn't the estimation closer to 3.14... algorithm issue?
15:08<rnowak>not enough sample points
15:08<pjbrunet>108k or 137k, really?
15:09<pjbrunet>But i was just outside the circle, shouldn't it be below 3.14 now?
15:09<pjbrunet>I'm tellin ya that thing is jacked up.
15:09<rnowak>Considering your previous comment, you have no idea how it works.
15:10<pjbrunet>I know how it works. It's just a ratio dude.
15:10<rnowak>Sure thing brah.
15:10<pjbrunet>I wrote those things in high school.
15:11<Ethelim>Ok mail is working. And trying to test crontab - should be mailing me once a minute now
15:12<Ethelim>just to make sure */1 * * * * should execute every minute of every day of every etc. right?
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15:14<rnowak>Ethelim: yep
15:14<rnowak>*/1 is same as *
15:15<bdube>yeah, a step of one is not necessary to specify
15:15<pjbrunet>Maybe the random number generator is busted ;-)
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15:17<Ethelim>ok, the command works from the command line (emailing myself), but doesn't execute in the crontab
15:17<Ethelim>seems to be something belly up with cron
15:18<Ethelim>actually.. hold on I think I may have inadvertently commented out my cron jobs -_-
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15:20<Ethelim>Which it turns out, I did. Jesus.
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15:22<nviror>How to dump all mysql databases from lish ssh?
15:23<rnowak> make sure to select the correct version on the left
15:24<Ethelim>thanks a bunch for the help AlexC_ and heckman, it's working finally
15:24<pjbrunet>OK it takes a million dart throws to get Pi accuracy to %0.07297743032259%
15:24<rnowak>What if you're really bad with throwing darts?
15:24<pjbrunet>So pretty I think Monte Carlo is a moron.
15:25<pjbrunet>pretty much i mean
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15:25<nviror>rnowak, I knew it, but it doesn't work in Finnix
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15:26<pjbrunet>If your dart throwing is bad, don't hang a dart board in your apartment ;-)
15:26<pjbrunet>Or house.
15:27<pjbrunet>Anyway, I'm out of here, but I found this...
15:27<pjbrunet>Try "Auto run, Fast"
15:27<nviror>heckman, Allow me to switch on the server, it will ease out my tasks.
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15:28<rnowak>mmmm pie
15:31<AlexC_>Ethelim: oh man :P
15:31<@heckman>nviror: I'm not sure #linode is the best place to be discussing this. Also, I'm not currently in the office.
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15:43<nviror>Possible to backup databases in Finnix?
15:43<AlexC_>nviror: how do you mean?
15:44<nviror>AlexC_, I want to backup/dump all mysql databases, unable to run mysqldump
15:44<AviMarcus>nviror, lish only lets you do what you can do in your normal console
15:44<AlexC_>nviror: you would have to mount the partition and copy the MySQL data files in /var/lib/mysql
15:45<AviMarcus>well, what I said isn't exactly true, but regarding *sql it basically is.
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15:45<nviror>AlexC_, Thanks.
15:46<nviror>AviMarcus, I'm not talking about Lish here, Its finnix or rescue mode.
15:47<AviMarcus>oh thought you asked about lish. sorry.
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16:04<nviror>AlexC_, I can download files from Finnix into my HD after starting sshd but how to wget/transfer files to another server?
16:06<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:06<AlexC_>nviror: scp /path/to/file
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16:16<jimmyjack>I've looked at a few articles and cannot seem to get a subdomain working quite the way I expect it
16:17<bdube>jimmyjack: a subdomain for HTTP purposes?
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16:18<bdube>what are you trying to achieve and what is happening instead?
16:18<jimmyjack>right now, the subdomain works, but is pointing the user to my main domain
16:18<jimmyjack>when I log in to linode via ftp, I also do not see a folder for my subdomain, in order to add content to it
16:19<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
16:19<jimmyjack>understood, sftp is better
16:19<jimmyjack>my ftp client supports that
16:19<jimmyjack>i just dont know specifically how to set that up
16:19<bdube>and you're using it?
16:19<bdube>ok, work on that soon
16:19<jimmyjack>over ssh… im a visual person, havent really dipped into ssh
16:19<jimmyjack>anyway… um
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16:19<jimmyjack>will bookmark the link
16:20<rnowak>You are likely to have sftp already running as a subsystem of your sshd
16:20<jimmyjack>so, I googled and saw that I needed to add an aname
16:20<AlexC_>jimmyjack: for example (there are guides for other distros/versions too)
16:20<rnowak>use a sftp client, and connect to your server over port 22, log in with same details as for ssh
16:21<bdube>jimmyjack: A record or CNAME
16:21<jimmyjack>the instructions in the linode library article said A record
16:21<bdube>jimmyjack: unless you're using some sort of control panel, creating the subdomain will not create a subfolder for content anywhere
16:21<AlexC_>yes you'll want an A record, not CNAME
16:22<jimmyjack>so how do I create the subfolder for content?
16:22<bdube>with your tool of choice
16:22<jimmyjack>and is there anything else I need to do to make sure that the subfolder is where people are pointed to
16:22<jimmyjack>when they enter
16:22<AlexC_>jimmyjack: read my link
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16:22<jimmyjack>n it
16:22<jimmyjack>on it
16:23<jimmyjack>oh my
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16:24<jimmyjack>so (bdude or AlexC) I have to set up a whole newlamp server in order to get a new folder?
16:25<jimmyjack>um, thank god, haha
16:25<AlexC_>Apache supports VirtualHosts, each of your domains (or subdomains) will have a different VirtualHost configuration
16:26<AlexC_>for example, it'll be common on Debian/Ubuntu to have /etc/apache2/sites-available/, /etc/apache2/sites-available/ etc etc etc
16:28<AlexC_>take more than 2 minutes to read the Linode Library link, read it a few times to understand what is required
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16:43<Obsidian|server>That linbot is a spy.
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17:11<SleePy>Ok? Dovecot keeps crashing, not logging in any dovecot* log files.. No other log files has info.. I'm stumped :P
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17:26<jimmyjack>AlexC, I have been trying to see if my developer friend setup a control panel like VirtualMin/Webmin .
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17:27<jimmyjack>i think he did
17:28<jimmyjack>so I dont know if anyone is still there, but
17:28<jimmyjack>I am having a subdomain problem
17:28<jimmyjack>I cleared my major problem
17:29<jimmyjack>I now have a small one... for some reason, works, but not
17:29<jimmyjack>so for some reason my subdomain will only work if I have a www in front of it
17:30<jimmyjack>if anyone out there has an idea let me know, thanks for the help so far though guys
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17:40<kenyon>jimmyjack: needs an aaaa record
17:40<MJCS>for ipv6
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17:50<jimmyjack>I kept searching online, someone suggested adding a cname as well
17:50<jimmyjack>did this 2 minutes ago
17:50<jimmyjack>andit finally worked
17:50<jimmyjack>thanks guys
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18:32<linbot>New news from forums: SYN Cookies are not helping me against very basic SYN Floods in Linux Networking <>
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19:19<Hydroxide>wow, that was impressive - I just generated a 4096-bit RSA OpenSSL key in my linode and it went really fast. Does linode have a mechanism for distributing entropy to the VPSes?
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19:30<andrew>what is the most popular website hosted by linode?
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19:31<andrew>i predicted that response SleePy, of course aside from
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19:32<Daevien>what does it really matter? there are regulars in here with dozens of nodes
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19:34<andrew>Daevien just curious that is all, it would be interesting to know
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19:49<SleePy>Finally.. Fixed dovecot.. Now to fix postfix so I can send mail :P
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20:07<jonny5>Please state the nature of the medical emergency.
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20:07<jonny5>Sorry I thought this was sick bay
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20:07<jonny5>Always get confused
20:07<pharaun>how is this even remotely alike the sick bay
20:11<andrew>jonny5 ?
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21:23<SleePy>Finally, fixed postfix as well. Hopefully that was the last bug
21:26<chesty>you realise there is now at least one more bug
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21:39<Obsidian|server>they reproduce, man
21:39<Obsidian|server>the bugs
21:39<Obsidian|server>they /reproduce/
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21:44<SleePy>Need bug spray :D
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21:48<rnowak>amitz: SleePy needs you to open your mouth
21:51<SleePy>At least the upgrade was worth while. Jumped to the latest 3.0 kernel and finally added the 5 extra gb of storage linode gave us months ago :P
22:07<chesty>can you suppress soft service notifications in nagios/icinga
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22:12<iggy>I still need to add my disk space :/
22:14<chesty>oh, the offer is over iggy, if you haven't added it by now, you've lost it
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22:23<@heckman>chesty: y u trollin?
22:24<chesty>heckman: i need the money
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22:38<heidi>array: hey you
22:39<heidi>i am picking you up at 8:30 am and need a phone number to let you know i am there
22:39<heidi>pm me with the number/extension. thanks love
22:42<chesty>or you could, you know, knock. the cell phone is the new door bell
22:42<heidi>chesty: he is at a hotel and i dont know the room number
22:42<heidi>plus would have to get out of the car and get the baby out, etc
22:43<heidi>my hubby was no help in getting me the info even though i have asked 3 or 4 times
22:43<heidi>and he isn't home, i am picking him up after i get array
22:43<chesty>hubbies are like that
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22:53<JoeK>is there any chance of linode making an android app?
22:53<kyhwana>JoeK: there are a few unofficial ones already
22:54<JoeK>was hoping for an official one
22:54<kyhwana>How would it be any better than the non-official one? It uses the API
22:54<chesty>the better question to ask is, is there a change of linode making the api open
22:55<chesty>there are secret api calls, ala microsoft, apple and other scumbags
22:55<JoeK>kyhwana: im an untrusworthty person :)
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23:02<chesty>JoeK: did you mean untrusting? because being untrustworthy is a little different
23:02<JoeK>oh, yeah
23:02<JoeK>been a long day :P
23:03<chesty>you have shifty eyes
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23:04<chesty>This message requires an OFTC Gold Account to read
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23:12<JoeK>chesty: heh
23:12<JoeK>oftc gold account? ;)
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23:12<chesty>what? I just upgraded to that, how did you know?
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23:21<JoeK>chesty: cant tell if serious or troll
23:25<chesty>What? I got sick of netsplits and cloaked trolls, the gold account lets me see through the cloaks and be on the gold server with no netsplits
23:32<squircle>chesty: how do I gold account?
23:34<Daevien>squircle: first you need to take on a special mission.... if you complete that, you can get gold
23:35<squircle>tell me more!
23:35*Daevien checks the mission log. today's special mission is to make a certain someone from the channel disappear and never return.... then the channel will pay for your gold status
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23:38<Obsidian|server>ignore, just a test
23:39*Daevien beats Obsidian|server with a cluebat. just ignore, only a test
23:40<squircle>!rainbow ignore, just a test
23:40<linbot>squircle: ignore, just a test
23:40<squircle>sadface :(
23:41<Obsidian|server>btw, did that appear as normal kakatana?
23:41<squircle>i don't know, I ignored it (after all, it was just a test).
23:42<Daevien>Obsidian|server: dunno, try it somewhere else besides #linode and see
23:42<chesty>try #test
23:47<SleePy>This is a test of the emergency broadcast system..
23:48<Obsidian|server>beeeeeep. beeep. wroonnnnnnk~
23:52<SleePy>You've got mail!
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.59987247, 0.49734763) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108322 of 137517 (π ≈ 3.150795901597621 - 0.009203248007827). http://π
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