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---Logopened Tue Oct 18 00:00:45 2011
00:02<Obsidian|server>MTecknology: Wow, nice catch! Looks like a well-built one too.
00:04<MTecknology>Obsidian|server: thanks :)
00:04<MTecknology>Obsidian|server: I actually might have enough to send some off to a few buddies :)
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00:18<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
00:19<squircle>hi idklol!
00:19<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.74393416, 0.11445389) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108328 of 137524 (π ≈ 3.150810040429307 - 0.009217386839514). http://π
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00:19<idklol>Isn't it against's licensing to allow adult content if you use their web server?
00:19<@Praefectus>you would need to contact them and ask them that
00:19<squircle>ask them?
00:20<Defenestrator>Why use litespeed these days?
00:20<kyhwana>wait what. You can tell people what they can and can't do with your software?
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00:21<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: apple does it all the time
00:21<kyhwana>Obsidian|server: ohyeah, true
00:21<kyhwana>What if someone uploaded some porn to your litespeedtech web server?
00:21<bd_>Don't forget all those licenses with clauses telling you you can't use their software in nuclear missiles
00:21<kyhwana>Or what if you serve up a page that has a link to it?
00:21<Obsidian|server>there's a line though where it's less license and more holy book
00:21<Obsidian|server>THOU SHALT NOT...
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00:22<idklol> it does say you cannot use it for pornography. I know a site using it for adult content that's hosted on Linode. Can I report them for this?
00:22<Obsidian|server>idklol: to linode? linode won't do a thing
00:22<kyhwana>idklol: if you want to be a dick, you could brown nose up to LST, linode won't do shit or care, though.
00:22<Obsidian|server>idklol: you'd have to contact the software's developers and get them to act. if they care to.
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00:23<idklol>I've already contacted Litespeed about the site. I was wondering if the host would do anything about it first, though. It is an obvious violation.
00:23<@Praefectus>hosts do not police for software vendors
00:24<bd_>idklol: why should linode care?
00:24<Obsidian|server>how is the host supposed to know if there's not a written agreement between the vendor and that specific site overriding the EULA?
00:24<bd_>idklol: If linode enforces this for the software vendor... they lose a customer. If they don't.... they keep a customer. It's pretty clear what linode should do.
00:25<bd_>also proactive policing may result in Linode losing its status as a common carrier, which exposes them to tons of liability
00:25<kyhwana>Is litespeed a bunch of wanky christian developers or something?
00:25<Obsidian|server>all rights are reserved by the vendor here in the EULA, so they can waive that clause of the EULA as they see fit
00:26<Defenestrator>idklol: just use nginx?
00:26<bd_>Obsidian|server: the holder of the copyright can waive whatever they want even without an "all rights reserved"
00:26<bd_>an EULA is a permissive grant. you can give additional grants if you own the copyright (and haven't signed an exclusive licensing agreement of some sort preventing you)
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00:27<Obsidian|server>bd_: the ARR means that they haven't got anything preventing them doing it
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00:27<bd_>Obsidian|server: Not really. The only thing that could prevent them would be an exclusivity agreement with a third party that limits what licenses they can give out
00:28<bd_>If I license something to you and forget the ARR, I can still license the same thing to you (or anyone else) under different terms, absent such an exclusivity agreement
00:28<bd_>note: IANAL
00:32<kyhwana> < lol
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00:33<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: should we be waiting for them to start on their holy electronic crusade to cleanse all the unclean
00:34<kyhwana>I guess so
00:34<Peng>Were the Litespeed folks couching it in religious terms or just other customers?
00:34<kyhwana> < "You cannot use
00:34<kyhwana>the SOFTWARE PRODUCT for any illegal activity or to host pornographic
00:34<kyhwana>content.. fail space
00:35<kyhwana>s/space/paste even.
00:36<kyhwana>But my guess is the company owner is some douchebag religious conservative or something
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00:39<crimbox>does linode offer managed vps?
00:39<kyhwana>crimbox: no
00:40<kyhwana>linode is unmanaged vps only
00:40<crimbox>how much time do you think it would take for a vps noob to set things up?
00:40<kyhwana>crimbox: have you used linux before? run any servers on it?
00:41<crimbox>ive used linux but not run any of my own servers
00:41<crimbox>never actually run any server
00:41<NdFeB>have command-line experience?
00:41<crimbox>experience yes
00:41<crimbox>expert no
00:41<NdFeB>there's a start, you could probably figure things out -- there's always a man page to help
00:42<crimbox>what about security and stuff
00:42<bob2>entirely depends on what you're planning to do
00:42<crimbox>id probably be missing a lot of stuff
00:43<crimbox>just a regular website
00:43<kyhwana>security and stuff is entirely up to you
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00:44<crimbox>what do youmean entirely up to me?
00:44<crimbox>id want it as secure as possible
00:44<Peng>It means that it's entirely your responsibility.
00:44<NdFeB>security vs usability
00:45<crimbox>well its unmanged vps so everything is my responsibility
00:45<kyhwana>crimbox: that means that you have to secure it
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00:45<crimbox>ok so i guess my question is: how hard is all this stuff?
00:45<Peng>crimbox: You can probably hack it.
00:46<Peng>...actually, using that word with that meaning in a computer security context doesn't really work...
00:46<kyhwana>crimbox: are you a quick learner and can you follow instructions?
00:46<crimbox>all i need is a list of instructions to follow
00:46<linbot>SleePy: (library <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
00:46<kyhwana>there are howtos and stuff in the linode library
00:46<Peng>crimbox: Don't forget, there's a 7-day money-back guarantee. So if you learn it's too much for you, as long as you do it quickly, you won't be out anything. Except time, hair, etc.
00:47<crimbox>and all i need to do is follow the library instructions and everything will be fine?
00:47<@Praefectus>who needs hair anyway
00:47<kyhwana>Praefectus: Perihelion ?
00:47<@Praefectus>nah, replace her hair with cactus needles, she'd love it!
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00:47<dwfreed>I'm sure her significant other wouldn't
00:48<@Praefectus>that would depend..
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00:48<kyhwana>Well, maybe if her SO is one of those cats that love cacti..
00:48<@Praefectus>or a masochist
00:49<kyhwana>Praefectus: welll...
00:49<crimbox>is it really possible to learn and set everything up in 7 days while having a full time job?
00:49<@Praefectus>make a weekend of it!
00:49<kyhwana>crimbox: I don't htink you can learn ALl The Things in 7 days
00:49<Peng>crimbox: I think you could learn enough to decide if you want to give up or not.
00:49<nviror>Why i'm not able to disable password login in ssh? I did PasswordAuthentication no, ChallengeResponseAuthentication no, UsePAM no
00:50<kyhwana>nviror: did you restart sshd?
00:50<kyhwana>wait, why did you turn UsePAM off?
00:50<nviror>PAM = password authentication, i think?
00:50<kyhwana>no, PAM == pluggable auth module
00:51<crimbox>what does it mean for Linode 512 that there are 1977 Available ?
00:51<kyhwana>try turning that back and try again
00:51<kyhwana>crimbox: you can buy up to 1977 Linode 512's in that datacenter
00:51<nviror>kyhwana, and what does UseLogin and UseDNS do?
00:52<crimbox>but its not like shared as in there are 1977 other people using the same gear right?
00:52<kyhwana>nviror: what does "man sshd_config" say?
00:53<kyhwana>crimbox: they're not all on the same box. There's a faq somewhere that tells you how many plans to a box
00:53<kyhwana>As in, there's more smaller plans on a box than larger ones
00:53<nviror>kyhwana, thanks. UsePAM is yes, still i'm able to login via pass
00:53<bob2> <- read
00:53<Peng>crimbox: It means that there are currently 1977 for sale, spread over an undefined number of hosts.
00:54<Peng>crimbox: By the way, they have extra capacity available but unallocated yet, so you can get more than 1977 if you need it.
00:54<crimbox>but i thought the purpose of vps was to keep me seperate from everyone else
00:55<kyhwana>crimbox: it is
00:55<SleePy>Box inside of a box theory!
00:55<crimbox>oh box inside a box..
00:55<crimbox>makes sense i guess
00:56<SleePy>Your VPS is a server that runs inside of another server. There are other servers on that host system though :)
00:56<kyhwana>nviror: is PubkeyAuthentication set to yes?
00:57<kyhwana>and are you sure you're editing sshd_config and have actually restarted sshd?
00:57<nviror>kyhwana, Its working now. I tried login from another system, its says Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available (server sent: publickey)
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01:01<crimbox>ok i might give it ago. thanks guys
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01:01<Peng>Aww, I was just going to throw a car analogy at crimbox.
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01:01<nviror>How to use pub key auth on FileZilla?
01:02<nviror>peagent doesn't recognize my server's created rsa key
01:03<Hoggs>nviror: Put the key through puttygen to convert it to a putty key
01:03<Hoggs>Then it will work with pagent
01:04<nviror>Hoggs, Thanks. Worked.
01:04<Hoggs>np :)
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01:07<nviror>Hoggs, Is there any better alternative to Filezilla+Peagent? what program do you use?
01:07<Hoggs>nviror: You can load keys directly into filezilla, but it doesn't support passphrases
01:08<Hoggs>Otherwise WinSCP might have better support - I've never used it though
01:08<nviror>Hoggs, How? I don't have passphrase
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01:08<Hoggs>Edit-> settings->SFTP
01:08<Hoggs>load keyfile
01:10<nviror>Hoggs, awesome.
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01:19<kay_>hi newbie here, I signed up for linode 1 month ago and I got a ticket today for "TOS Violation - Inbound DOS". I wonder if anyone can explain to me what I should do or kindly provide me with any link? Thanks in advance!
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01:21<kyhwana>You got DOSed, by the sounds of it
01:21<Peng>kay_: What do you need explained?
01:21<kay_>yes, the ticket asks me to provide an explanation for the attack, and what I will do to prevent it
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01:22<Peng>Oh, that's nice of them.
01:22<kay_>since I can't ssh to it, I do not know what has really happened
01:22<kay_>and frankly, I do not know how to prevent it from happening again other than blocking the IPs of the attackers in iptable
01:22<bob2>that's no use
01:23<bob2>why are you being DOSed?
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01:23<kay_>the ticket says the ip my site is on will be null-routed for 24 hours
01:23<kay_>I don't know why...
01:23<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
01:23<kay_>it is just a "sign up, coming soon" page
01:23<kay_>we haven't even launched the site yet
01:24<bd_>kay_: do you have any enemies? :/
01:24<kay_>I do think so..
01:24<kay_>we are not known out of our friends frankly
01:24<chesty>kay_: did you irc from it?
01:24<boba>Start investigating. Check your system logs, see if you had any services running, see if anything weird was coming out of those, see if you got rooted, ...
01:25<kay_>I wonder what kind of scale this might be to bring down a 512 linode
01:25<bd_>kay_: the linode size doesn't matter so much as whether it starts saturating the _host_'s ethernet port
01:25<bob2>kay_, ?
01:25<bob2>kay_, it's the traffic fucking linode's network
01:25<kay_>it's just a single page that allows you to leave your email so we can notify you when we launch the real site
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01:26<kay_>bd_: I see
01:26<kay_>chesty: no I didn't
01:26<kay_>boba: yes that's good suggestions
01:27<kay_>and.. how would I prevent it from happening again?
01:27<kay_>other than blocking those IPs?
01:27<bd_>kay_: try not to anger whoever ddossed you this time. I know it's not very helpful if you don't know who, but it's the truth
01:28<bd_>$20/mo does not buy you a service that can withstand a bored kid with a 1000-machine botnet, unfortunately
01:28<bd_>If it really is a random incident (someone typoed the target of their ddos?) then maybe it won't happen again
01:28<kay_>bd_: I am not angry, I think I am learning some basic web security today that I should have learned before
01:28<bd_>but if you have any idea what might have caused it...
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01:29<bd_>kay_: also ip blocking doesn't help at all with a ddos
01:29<kay_>bd_: ah I see
01:29<Peng>kay_: IP blocking is like putting a security code on your front door when the problem is the rampaging army in the yard.
01:29<kay_>has any of you guys ever was a target of dos?
01:30<kay_>Peng: I see, that's a good analogy :)
01:30<navi>What is the best and easiest way to look into logs at /var/log/ ?
01:30<karstensrage>cd /var/log
01:30<Peng>Or, maybe a better analogy would be the rampaging army filling the street, making it impossible for you or your neighbors to go anywhere.
01:30<karstensrage>less *.log
01:31<kay_>this actually makes me really concerned
01:32<kay_>does it mean there is absolutely nothing I can do to prevent him/her/them from making my site unusable?
01:32<kay_>so the actual will not be launched at all?
01:33<navi>karstensrage, thanks but how to reach the end of the log file to see the most recent entries?
01:34<Peng>kay_: There's not *nothing* you can do. You can move to a service far more expensive than Linode that offers DoS mitigation.
01:34<navi>And why does the logs show USA time?
01:34<boba>navi: capital G to go to the bottom
01:35<boba>Linodes are set to Eastern (US) time unless you changed it O:
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01:36<navi>boba, where can i chane the timezones in linode manager?
01:37<kay_>Peng: I see. Given the resources I have now, I don't think that'd be an option..
01:37<kay_>Peng: Do you have any other suggestions?
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01:38<boba>navi: The timezone on your Linode has nothing to do with the timezones in Linode Manager. You probably want to copy one of the timezone files in /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime. Your distro likely has its own way of doing things though
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01:40<navi>boba, dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
01:40<navi>boba, thanks.
01:41<navi>cd /usr/share/zoneinfo
01:42<navi>oops, wanted to enter in terminal
01:43<boba>I would try the geographically named timezone files first
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01:47<Peng>Why do you need to look at /usr/share/zoneinfo to use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
01:47<boba>I may have confused him on that part
01:48<Peng>You monster :P
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01:48*boba bounces
01:50<linbot>New news from forums: can't apt-get update my ubuntu server in Linux Networking <>
01:53*Peng puts $5 on running an EOL version
01:54<navi>Possible to switch user (su) in SFTP client filezilla?
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02:23<wito>We accidentally deleted a home catalog from the system; (damn you space bar); but fortunately we have a backup plan
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02:23<wito>Is there any way to restore the directory from the most recent backup, selectively?
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02:27<marius>rsync ?
02:27<wito>We only have the one slice.
02:27<marius>you can select what to rsync
02:27<marius>Fixed your text ;)
02:27<wito>I can see that.
02:27<wito>rsync from where?
02:28<marius>From your backup
02:28<marius>Or do you mea nyou have a backup from linode?
02:28<kyhwana>I think he means the linode backup plan
02:28<marius>Ahh, then no, there isn't a way as those are full images
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02:28<wito>I thought it was file based?
02:28<kyhwana>nah, I think it's image based
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02:29<marius>It is indeed image based
02:29<marius>This is why a backup deployment will be dropped as a new profile
02:29<marius>or replace the existing ,so you need to have enough free unallocated space
02:30<wito>Well, apparently it is file based, but only when backing up.
02:30<wito>When restoring, it acts image based. :(
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02:32<marius>This is why you have more then one backup plan, as your backup might need a backup ;)
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02:44<dcraig>wait, I put all my data in the cloud so I wouldn't need to back it up anymore
02:44<kyhwana>dcraig: what happens on a cloudless sunny day?
02:44<dcraig>there are always clouds somewhere
02:45<dcraig>the whole idea of the cloud is that you don't have to be where it is
02:45<Peng> notes that mobile phones have more disk space than low-end Linodes :D
02:46<dwfreed>Yeah, really expensive phones
02:46<kyhwana>dwfreed: nah, normal smartphones
02:46<dwfreed>I'd rather buy a Linode 512 than a phone with enough storage to match
02:46<dwfreed>and the Linode is cheaper
02:47<kyhwana>or just buy a 32GB microsd
02:47<dcraig>are there any "industrial strength" card readers that let you plug in like 40 microSD cards?
02:48<dwfreed>dcraig: you could just get 40 USB ports, and 40 regular readers
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02:48<dcraig>how are they going to strap that to the front of the server?
02:48<dwfreed>Very carefully
02:48<dcraig>I'm trying to come up with a plan linode could realistically implement here, ppl
02:49<daftspunk>Guys is it possible to move a rackspace node to linode? As in export/import style... :P
02:49<Peng>daftspunk: Linode is good at importing, but Rackspace is not so good at exporting.
02:50<Peng>daftspunk: Rackspace/Slicehost does have a doc about it, but it's just rsync IIRC.
02:50<kyhwana>daftspunk: no
02:50<daftspunk>Peng: Thanks
02:50<kyhwana>OTOH, you can just rsync all your crap from one to the other
02:51<daftspunk>How does rsync work?
02:51<daftspunk>Linux version of DOS' RoboCopy?
02:51<dcraig>does robocopy work between servers?
02:52<daftspunk>I use it to sync servers yea
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02:53<Peng>!library rsync
02:53<linbot>Peng: 1. Introduction to Rsync - | 2. Recovering from a System Compromise - | 3. Linode Beginner's Guide -
02:53<daftspunk>Wonderful. Bookmarked
02:53<Peng>!library migrate
02:53<linbot>Peng: 1. Migrate Disk Images and Linode Instances - | 2. Resize a Linode - | 3. Linode Beginner's Guide -
02:53<dcraig>how many DOS servers do you have? :D
02:53<daftspunk>Oh heaps, all running batch scripts to tell me how great I am and the Press any key to continue...
02:54<Peng>daftspunk: Also, a quick Wikipedia-ing says that rsync predates Robocopy :P
02:54<dcraig>do you think the R in rsync stands for robo?
02:54<Peng>Though not Robocopy's copyright.
02:54<daftspunk>Ok so this is obviously something very beautiful about unix systems, I can quite literally copy files from one server to the other and it will be the same as creating and restoring an image (PC equivilent)
02:54<wito>anyway, thanks for the insights. :)
02:57<Peng>daftspunk: By the way, I don't know about Robocopy, but one of rsync's main features is that it can efficiently transfer just the differences if the source and destination have different versions of the same file.
02:58<Peng>daftspunk: ...rsync is still awesome if you're copying data over for the first time, of course.
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03:11<amitz>although rsync consumes non negligible processing power. well, probably the ssh.
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03:51<bluelabelgaming>Hi There
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03:51<bluelabelgaming>Im new here and I need help with stackscripts
03:52<bluelabelgaming>how long does it take to install the Lamp?
03:52<bluelabelgaming>Ive been waiting a while now
03:52<kyhwana>how long? What does LISH say?
03:53<bluelabelgaming>I loaded it here
03:54<bluelabelgaming>Its LAMP Stackscript
03:54<kyhwana>I dunno, who else has deployed stackscripts? I never have ;)
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03:58<bob2>installing "lamp" on a sane OS is approx 60s work by hand
04:01<kay_>I was trying to check the log files but it seems a lot of them are missing for some reason
04:01<kay_>and this is for both the DDOS'ed box and the other one that's still working
04:01<kay_>could it have been an compromise?
04:03<kay_>specifically, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages have stopped logging after July 20th
04:03<kyhwana>you didn't run out disk space did you?
04:04<kay_>I saw a message that says rsyslog has been rsyslogd was HUPed
04:04<kay_>nope only 4% is used
04:05<kay_>google returns me to an unsolved thread on and no one had an answer either on that thread who saw the same "rsyslogd was HUPed" message
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04:09<kay_> it seems to be a ubuntu/rsyslog bug..
04:09<kay_>but now I don't have any logs for the ddos attack..
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05:44<dwfreed>Does Debian have an initscript somewhere that will save and load iptables rules on shutdown and boot, respectively?
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05:44<dwfreed>I cba to write my own
05:45<kyhwana>does it not have iptables-restore ?
05:45<kyhwana>stick that in networking or something
05:45<mig5>is iptables-persistent in debian? i think it is in sid at least..
05:46<mig5>i think that's what you want anyway
05:46<JediMaster>dwfreed: dirty hack is to iptables-save then put iptables-restore in a startup script
05:46<mig5>if you don't want to use iptables-restore or write your own init script anyway (my preference)
05:47<dwfreed>mig5: there is an iptables-persistent in stable, and I've just installed it; thank you all
05:48<dwfreed>just have to remember to do iptables-save > /etc/iptables/rules every time I update iptables
05:48<GReaper>it's a little bit old, but there's other tools for it as well
05:48<mig5>once i spent 10 min on an init script i stuck it in puppet and have forgotten about it since :)
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05:56*JediMaster grumbles about support
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05:58<chesty>you're in the wrong channel for that
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06:24<praetorian>yeah, no laughing here
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06:28<kyhwana>hmm, must be wakey up time for linode staff about now
06:29<amitz>linode staff never sleep, they just pretend to be.
06:30<chesty>chuck norris doesn't sleep, he waits
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06:35*JediMaster sighs
06:35<amitz>s/chuck norris/chesty/ col
06:35<amitz>I told you.
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06:36<JediMaster>1 hour for them to *start* looking at a downed server ( this is)
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06:43<praetorian>heckman has been up all morning
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07:11<dwfreed>Wow, nginx is really simple
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07:21*chesty * This action requires a Gold Member OFTC Acouund to see.
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08:23<dwfreed>heckman: non-conformist
08:24<linbot>Heck, man, what do I look like, a psëudøviking?
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08:24<Obsidian|server>heckman: ah, but perhaps one of us is conforming so that they can spy on the channel
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09:16<Sophira>You know, we can still see you're the person who used the nick 'johndow' before ;p
09:17<user3227>how do you know that?
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09:18<Sophira>It's the way IRC works. Same user/hostmask combination. You're using the webchat, but it passes your IP address on.
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09:29<user3227>oh thanks
09:29<user3227>sophia, you are part of linode staff? i have a question about IRC and linode :)
09:30<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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09:31<user3227>i'm intrested to mount an IRC server and I want to know how many users it will support with a 20 USD account
09:32<@heckman>We're not really going to have an answer on that.
09:32<@heckman>It really depends on the software you are using, how active your users are, etc.
09:32<marius>So our largest oil company is sellign a platform
09:32<marius>It's in norwegian, but I'm sure it can be translated with google or something?
09:32<marius>It can!
09:33<DrJ>user3227: there is no real answer for that ... but IRC doesn't take much ... 500 easy, probably a couple thousand easy ... but its hard to say
09:33<user3227>thanks DrJ, i like numbers
09:33<marius>user3227: You can host a few thousand users no problem, although it's adviced to spread it over many leafs
09:34<DrJ>just don't get a server in atlanta
09:34<DrJ>they filter the common irc ports
09:35<Cypher100>Should I get the xoom?
09:35<user3227>my main idea is to implement a mobile turn-based multiplayer game over the IRC platform
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09:35<user3227>i was thinking to use XMPP too, but i think that IRC is enought
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09:36<avenj>Once Upon A Time servers handled a fairly large number of users on pretty crap hardware
09:36<avenj>irc has not changed that much
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09:39<DrJ>IRC doesn't really create a problem until you get dos'd because of it
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09:40<synapt>a 512 would probably handle a few thousand with 'decent' activity easily
09:41<synapt>excluding the atlanta DC I believe it is
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09:41<Fieldy>yep. the atlanta DC prohibits IRC servers (DC policy, linode just happens to be in it)... which i'm in. makes it less of a target imo
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09:42<synapt>to be honest my experience is newb website owners are more likely to incurr the wrath of script kiddies than IRC networks necessarily will
09:43<DrJ>Fieldy: it doesn't prohibit it ... you can run them no problem ... just can't use standard ports
09:43<marius>It's just port 6667 incoming
09:43<marius>you cna still use the other 6668 6669 7000
09:43<synapt>I thought I recalled someone saying it was actually in their policies that you couldn't run them
09:43<marius>and outgoing it's all good any way
09:44<DrJ>linode site even says go ahead if you wish ... just known the standard port is blocked
09:44*marius has ost quite a few dedicated boxes due to DDoS over IRC
09:44<DrJ>Yes. Our Atlanta facility does filter the common ports used by IRC, but you're free to use alternate ports. The other datacenters do not filter IRC.
09:48<marius>any way, if your game just uses IRC for communicating you could easily set it up to use an alternate port (which might even be a good idea as people might be on wifi networks that block the common IRC ports and such)
09:50<user3227>yes, it sounds good
09:51<Cypher100>Why does everyone hate irc so much
09:51<Cypher100>Is it because of botnets or something?
09:51<DrJ>Cypher100: its because there are so many people on it that have no jobs and a knowledge of basic denial of service attacks ... and tempers tend to flare on IRC, war breaks out
09:51<DrJ>and servers are brought down
09:52*Karrde f5s
09:53<user3227>and what do you think about XMPP?
09:54<user3227>to use as base to implement a multiplayer game
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09:57<DrJ>either one would probably be okay user3227
10:00<user3227>i think that at the beguining we will have 1000 request per second
10:02<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
10:03<@heckman>If you feel that a Linode can't handle your needs within the price range you want, you're more than welcome to cancel within the first 7 days and request a full refund in the cancelation form.
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10:21<linbot>metaperl: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 300 IN A | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
10:21<linbot>metaperl: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 300 IN A | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
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10:39<navi>any tips on setting up a media serving server for multiple websites?
10:40<nDuff>navi, "media serving" is pretty generic -- we'd at least to know what _kind_ of media server you're running to know how it does vhosts (ideally, name-based vhosts)
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10:40<nDuff>navi, ...actually, if that's enough of a keyword for you to search through the docs of the media server you're using, then... yay!
10:42<navi>nDuff, I mean static files serving, just like S3
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10:43<nDuff>navi, oh -- well, that's easy enough. Are you using Apache? nginx? ...?
10:43<navi>nDuff, Nginx, and most of websites are either wordpress powered, static html or drupal.
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10:49<navi>nDuff, that's just the vhost part. I want to host all static files like files in and to another server (which is near to my audience). I want the two servers to sync the files two-way automatically.
10:50<navi>Is there any open source alternative to this kinda setup?
10:50<nDuff>navi, ...I don't think your initial question implied anything remotely like that. Anyhow...
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10:52<navi>my another server would be both CDN+Storage
10:52<nDuff>navi, ...there's rsync; there's distributed filesystems like AFS and CodaFS (both of which support replication and caching natively); there's block-level solutions such as GNBD+GFS2, though I wouldn't advise that for high-latency environments like what you're proposing.
10:52<rnowak>a one-server CDN? cool
10:54<navi>rnowak, not actually CDN. My current host is linode (London) and my audience is in India. I'm planning to buy a cheapy (concentarting on badnwidth + disk space) hosting here just to server static files.
10:54<nDuff>navi, ...probably anything but rsync would be overkill.
10:54<navi>nDuff, Thanks, I will research on them.
10:57<@heckman>syncing ur rrrrrrrs
10:59<linbot>New news from forums: Backups in Sales Questions and Answers <>
11:00<metaperl>I didnt find anything in the linode library on redirecting to a specific URL with masking (keeping original domain request in browser address bar)
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11:01<rnowak>tried google, metaperl?
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11:21<Obsidian|server>metaperl: unless you mean proxy, that isn't permitted by the browsers themselves to hamper phishing
11:21<metaperl>I see... I will have to do it at my domain name registrar instead
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11:22<Obsidian|server>the only way you can change the server you're aiming a domain at is DNS-side, using geographical distribution really
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11:23<metaperl>right, and since linode has a DNS manager, I thought I could do it there Obsidian|server
11:23<Obsidian|server>and even then it's far easier to use subdomains or different domains; look at google, and what it does with the search domains.,,, etc. also makes it easier for them to tweak data for the requests
11:23<metaperl>but it lacks that feature --- and has it
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11:25<@heckman>metaperl: AFAIK that's not DNS-based
11:25<randallman>Obsidian|server: that's not entirely true :)
11:26<randallman>Obsidian|server: with F5 GTMs you can use a myriad of criteria for responding with DNS
11:26<randallman>source IP, time of day, number of connections (as reported by a LTM)
11:27<randallman>Oh, but I see that's not the question
11:27<randallman>you can do URL forwarding using 'frame grab' style
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11:27<randallman>keep the address bar the same, but create a frame with the other URL in it
11:28<metaperl>heckman: here is what I can do at -
11:28<@heckman>That's not done using DNS
11:29<@heckman>At least I don't believe there's a DNS RFC that does that
11:29<randallman><html><head><title>Your Title</title></head><frameset><frame src="therealurl"></frameset></html>
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11:46<metaperl>randallman: thanks. that worked. Why were body tags not around the frameset tags?
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11:47<JediMaster>meh, anyone have any idea why I'd have 18,000 defunct "fuser" processes?
11:47<@heckman>fuser wanted to become part of the meme
11:48<@heckman>But beyond that terrible theory, no. :(
11:48<GLaDOSDan>you can never have enough
11:48<rnowak>all of the processes
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11:49<@heckman>JediMaster: Usually that's when it's done running, but its parent process hasn't acknowledged that it finished
11:49<@heckman>It's a zombie, and shouldn't really take up any resources...
11:50<avenj>18k of them, all fuser, seems to indicate Something Very Strange tho
11:50<nDuff>have to figure out what the (ir)responsible parent process is, though
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11:55<jasonrsmith>My server just experienced a slow down, even ssh access was very slow. I was runnign out of memory. After restarting Apache the site was fine. Is it safe to assume Apache was the culprit?
11:56<rnowak>assumptions are never safe, but probably
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11:57<KHobbit>hehe, interesting
11:57<KHobbit>i apparently cant ping my linode from my pc
11:58<KHobbit>but i can join irc, and ping my bnc running on the linode.
11:58<randallman>metaperl: *shrug* html is forgiving :)
11:58<KHobbit>actually, it appears i cant ping newark
11:58<rnowak>html isn't, the parsers are
11:58<rnowak>because standards suck, right?
11:59<randallman>rnowak +1 for specificity/pedantry :)
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12:05<linbot>thanks, heckman!
12:05<jasonrsmith>so I was looking at the information here about the prefork settings
12:06<jasonrsmith>should there be any major concerns since this is a production site?
12:06<jasonrsmith>about changing these settings?
12:06<@caker>the concern is if you don't change them
12:06<jasonrsmith>well i already have had a memory issue
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12:17<linbot>New news from forums: Error with postfix + dovecot... in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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12:47<linbot>New news from forums: Weirdness updating packages after Ubuntu upgrade to Natty in General Discussion <>
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12:54<dev_not_null>hi, where can I edit PTR records for my account?
12:54<dev_not_null>some google searches didn't lead me anywhere useful
12:54<@caker>Linode -> Remote Access -> Reverse DNS
12:55<dev_not_null>ok, so it's not in the DNS manager
12:56<rnowak>The PTR record is for the IP address, which is not in a DNS zone that you control.
12:56<dev_not_null>ah, ok, good to know, thanks
12:57<randallman>"We have assumed control" - Rush :)
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13:11<neale>getting lots of page allocation failures with the 3.0.4-linode38 kernel
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13:14<chesty>there's a paper shortage, no more trees
13:17<navi>How to grant access an user to edit www files owned by www-data:www-data? Currently i'm getting permission denied.
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13:18<shinster>Hey - is Linode having any problems at the moment?
13:18<neale>put the user in the www-data group
13:19<neale>on debian or ubuntu, "adduser username www-data"
13:19<neale>they'll have to log out and log back in
13:19<shinster>My VPS isn't responding. I've given it a reboot and it still seems unpingable from my connection and an external machine I've tried.
13:19<neale>that also gives them the ability to edit *everything* in the www-data group with g+w
13:19<boba>shinster: Log in with LiSh
13:19<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
13:21<shinster>Just appears to be hanging.
13:21<linbot>New news from forums: Convert Drupal-6.22 to Mercury/Pressflow - fatal PHP errors in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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13:22<boba>shinster: Any errors? Can you check logs?
13:22<shinster>I can't get on the machine at all. The linode dashboard seems to be fine.
13:23<shinster>hold on
13:23<navi>neale, added the user to www-data group, log out and log back in, still permision denied.
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13:26<neale>show me the output of "ls -l /path/to/that-file"
13:26<daos>hey guys: any guides/best practices for high availibility with Node Balancer?
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13:29<neale>okay yeah
13:29<neale>chmod g+w /home/nannu/websites/
13:30<neale>it's not group writeable
13:30<shinster_>Hm, this could actually be an issue with my iso
13:31<shinster_>*isp, damn lion auto correct
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13:31<linbot>New news from forums: Recompile GD library in General Discussion <>
13:31<navi>neale, I want user "nannu" to manipulate any file, except root owned.
13:31<neale>*any* file?
13:32<shinster>I wouldn't trust nannu to manipulate files, he's a bit of a jerk
13:32<navi>neale, I mean any file in /home/nannu/websites/
13:32<neale>couldn't you just recursively chown the directory to that user?
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13:33<navi>I tried that, after chowning to nannu, wordpress wasn't apple to manipulate (upload, edit, delete)
13:33<neale>it sounds like you need to do some reading about Unix permissions, and then sit down and figure out how you can use it to do whatever it is you want.
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13:34<neale>yeah, probably wordpress isn't running as the nannu user.
13:34<neale>you could do this with unix groups or POSIX ACLs.
13:34<neale>and I'm sorry but I'm at a conference and don't have time to walk you through all that ;)
13:35<navi>adding both, www-data and nannu to a group and giving it the g+w permissions?
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13:42<metaperl>randallman: its actually incorrect to use a body tag with frameset -
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14:13<basro>I just read this: "I /believe/ linode has a 10000 packet per second limit on top of that" on the internet
14:13<basro>is this true?
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14:14<basro>is there a way to increase this limit?
14:14<basro>it's really easy for someone to force my server into sending that many packets per second by syn flooding
14:15<@caker>30k pps
14:15<@caker>open a ticket to see if you have the new rules applied to your Linode(s)
14:16<basro>the new rules?
14:17<basro>*caker ping*
14:17<hawk>I'm reading that as that the limit was bumped to 30k at some stage
14:17<basro>so I'll go open a ticket
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15:11<randallman>metaperl: fun facts to know and tell
15:11<randallman>metaperl: thanks for the information :0
15:11<metaperl>you're welcome :)
15:11<randallman>rnowak: -1 for being specific and pedantic in clarifying my explanation when I was actually incorrect in the first place :)
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15:11<rnowak>randallman: we can both hang our heads in shame
15:11<randallman>metaperl: last time I wrote HTML short of some random tags for a prototype was pre-CSS in 2000 :)
15:11<randallman>rnowak: #shame :)
15:12<randallman>rnowak: but at the end of the day, like many things in IT, the suggested solution worked irrespective of the fact that we knew not why :)
15:13<rnowak>well, my assertment was correct, even if not applicable to what was at hand ;p
15:13<randallman>Yay, my VNX Block and File code is updated (Read: Clariion FLARE and Celerra DART)
15:13*randallman goes to create happy luns
15:13<rnowak>html is pretty well-defined, parsers just allow slack because people suck
15:13<randallman>rnowak, let the browser/parser wars ensue
15:14<randallman>I still remember the difference between <table><tr><td>stuff</td></tr></table>
15:14<randallman>and having them on different lines
15:14<randallman>back in 1999 :) Between IE and Netscape
15:14<randallman>extra whitespace on Netscape if I remember right yeilded extra space in the tables
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15:29<JoeK>was there a problem in newark eariler?
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15:35<linbot>New news from wiki: User:MDReferee <>
15:36<hawk>JoeK: How much earlier?
15:36<JoeK>12-3AM GMT-5
15:38<hawk>So... about 12-15 hours ago?
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15:40<linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <>
15:41<JoeK>eh, nevermind, it was only one network
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15:47<danols_work>anyone tried these guys ?
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15:48<AviMarcus>I've heard some funny stuff about them danols_work
15:49<danols_work>what did you hear ?
15:49<danols_work>we have 4 site servers with linode but thinking of getting a mail box
15:49<dcraig>why not another linode?
15:49<AviMarcus>you need a new box? can't run it on your existing?
15:50<AviMarcus>or that :P
15:50<danols_work>storage and bandwith
15:50<AviMarcus>hmm. storage..
15:50<AviMarcus>bandwidth with linode gets pooled
15:50<AviMarcus>storage maybe.. mostly, any VPS has expensive storage.
15:51<dcraig>except for this place... 100 GB for $20/mo
15:51<AviMarcus>which type of raid is it?
15:51<dcraig>their plan that's sorta equivalent to a Linode 512 is only $5.95/mo!
15:51<danols_work>dcraig: my point exactly
15:53<kyhwana>wonder how shit it is?
15:58<hawk>kyhwana: 78%?
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15:59<danols_work>kyhwana: what did you use before linode ?
15:59<kyhwana>danols_work: uh, didn't have a VPS before linode ;)
16:00<danols_work>what did you use ?
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16:03<kyhwana>just had shells on friends boxes/my linux box(es) at home
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16:09<alphabitcity>Hi, I'm trying to set up my new linode with RVM, Nginx, Passenger, etc…I collected a bunch of online docs on this and there seems to be some disagreement .. Should I create a new user before installing RVM, etc?
16:09<alphabitcity>what would be the benefit of doing this from the non-root user
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16:11<@rmyers>alphabitcity: people used to install RVM as root, as it would be available for all users
16:11<@rmyers>alphabitcity: however, this is no longer the case - you have to configure RVM for all users via rvmsudo, if i recall correctly.
16:12<alphabitcity>hmm okay, thank you
16:12<alphabitcity>seems to be no one updated doc on how to set up rvm, rails 3.1, passenger, nginx, etc on ubuntu linode :/
16:12<alphabitcity>docs are all out of date
16:13<kyhwana>They probably still mostly apply
16:13<bob2>hirez url or it didn't happen
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16:46<alphabitcity>Is it possible to ssh-keygen with a flag for name? I want to have keys specific to linode .. is that a good practice?
16:47<kyhwana>alphabitcity: you can just name the file "linode-blah" and copy the public key to your linode? (using ssh-copy-id)
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16:48<alphabitcity>ok, so do ssh-keygen and rename the generated files?
16:49<alphabitcity>nvm, it gave me the option to specify the name
16:49<kyhwana>er, no, ssh-keygen asks you where/what to call your pub/private keys
16:51<alphabitcity>seems like ssh-copy-id is not installed on my osx laptop?
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17:02<alphabitcity>i'm trying to get ssh auth to work with just keys (and disabling password requirement) .. I went through the steps of generating a key, uploading it as authorized_keys, and changing sshd_config so that PasswordAuthentication is set to no .. but it's still asking me for a pass when i ssh in
17:03<kyhwana>alphabitcity: I thought you fixed it yesterday?
17:03<boba>ssh -v and see what kinds of auth it accepts
17:03<alphabitcity>nevermind .. restarted ssh and it works now
17:03<alphabitcity>but now i'm locked out, permission denied (public key)
17:03<kyhwana>... did you test it with your public key first?
17:04<kyhwana>(I'm going to guess no)
17:04<alphabitcity>kyhwana: not sure what that means. i should mention that my public key is now, and there are a number of other public keys in my local .ssh folder .. is there a way to specify which public key to use
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17:04<kyhwana>alphabitcity: yes, "ssh -i ~/.ssh/linode_rsa user@yourlinode"
17:05<alphabitcity>cheers, that worked perfect
17:05<kyhwana>great :)
17:05<kyhwana>(now backup your private key somewhere safe)
17:05<kyhwana>You did put a nice long passphrase on it, right?
17:05<alphabitcity>in my ~/.ssh/config file, can I specify the public key file so that i don't need to flag it each time
17:05<alphabitcity>kyhwana: I left the passphrase blank, i thought that was okay
17:06<kyhwana>Well, just make sure no one gets a copy of it, otherwise they'll be able to login (lol) to your linode with it
17:06<alphabitcity>i see, makes sense
17:06<boba>alphabitcity: yes, IdentityFile. and you would be specifying the PRIVATE key not the public key
17:07<kyhwana>Generally you should put a long passphrase on it, make backup copies to save places (your phone/usb drive you carry with you, etc) and then puse pagent or some other keyring that will cache it for you. (And make sure you lock your local machine when you're away from it)
17:07<kyhwana>in ~/.ssh/config you can do "host yourlinode \n IdentityFile ~/.ssh/linode_rsa"
17:08<alphabitcity>do i need to update the /.ssh/config on the linode as well?
17:08<alphabitcity>great, works perfectly
17:08<alphabitcity>thank you
17:10<alphabitcity>now on to rvm, passenger, and nginx
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17:17<Tanner>I'm reading, but I don't really understand the last part of that step. Do I place the client.conf file on my local PC which will be connecting to it, or on the server in /etc/openvpn ?
17:20<bob2>on the client
17:20<bob2>ie not the server
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17:32<thelongmile>Evening, are there any issues in Newark at the moment?
17:32<linbot>kyhwana: [mtr] 17 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.9ms (urmom)
17:33<kyhwana>thelongmile: why?
17:33<boba>looks fine
17:33<thelongmile>interesting, I'm unable to even ping my linode, or access the list through ajax
17:33<kyhwana>Then your linode is probably down/unresponsive for some reason
17:34<thelongmile>The lish page won't even load which is odd, nor the lish console over SSH. That's before we even get as far as the linode
17:34<kyhwana>What do your graphs look like on the manager page?
17:36<thelongmile>Graphs are all fine, showing uptime, nothing unusual, other two linodes are running perfectly fine, I can access the AJAX and SSH LISH consoles there as well, my concern is I can't even get the lish ajax terminalal for newark to load, regardless of the linode being off or on, I can't even see the console prompt and I should be able to get that far
17:36<boba>what host is the unreachable linode on? newark###
17:37<thelongmile>actually, forget the host I can't even ping
17:37<kyhwana>64 bytes from ( icmp_req=2 ttl=50 time=250 ms
17:37<kyhwana>Whats a mtr to it look like?
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17:38<thelongmile>interesting, sounds like I've got a DNS failure somewhere my end (considering it times out I think an MTR is king to be a bit redundant)
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17:39<kyhwana>er, so you can't even resolve ?
17:39<thelongmile>Nope, but I can resolve console-dallas and the london link as well
17:39<kyhwana>weird, try a different DNS server?
17:39<thelongmile>just hopping on to google DNS now
17:41<thelongmile>very odd
17:41<thelongmile>can't see it from there either
17:41<kyhwana>I can resolve it fine
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17:41<kyhwana>nslookup Address:
17:42<kyhwana>Might be time to try the lookup again and break out wireshark/tcpdump
17:42<thelongmile>Interesting, my london linode can talk to it too, lets see if having that as a DNS server works
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17:44<thelongmile>just out of curiosity, anyone else here got an IP address of a server in newark dc that I can try and ping?
17:45<linbot>boba: (mtrnewark <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
17:45<alphabitcity>i installed rvm from my root user, but when i type "rvm" from my root account it says command not found .. but on my non-root user, rvm works fine .. any idea how this would have happened?
17:46<seanh-ansca>thelongmile: is in newark
17:46<thelongmile>I can't even ping that
17:46<seanh-ansca>try it the other way via boba's linbot command
17:46<alphabitcity>seems like my root/.bashrc points to the wrong rvm dir:
17:46<seanh-ansca>or just go to the site
17:46<boba>thelongmile: ping, or resolve?
17:47<thelongmile>boba: I can translate it to IP address so theres at least a form of resolution, but can't even ping it, timeouts on everything, it's like my IP address has been blocked
17:48<linbot>seanh-ansca: [mtr] not found
17:48<thelongmile>what the
17:49<boba>you copied a little too much there
17:49<thelongmile>it's ok
17:49<linbot>seanh-ansca: timed out
17:49<thelongmile>So newark can't talk to me, and I can't talk to newark
17:50<seanh-ansca>you didn't want to talk to it anyway right?
17:50<seanh-ansca>it's a silly place
17:50<thelongmile>well, mine of my servers is in there…. three customers…. :S
17:51<thelongmile>mine = one
17:51<seanh-ansca>where does a mtr from your end break down?
17:51<thelongmile>I haven't even gotten that far yet but a trace route breaks down at
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17:52<thelongmile>mtr on mac is somewhat wierd
17:52<seanh-ansca>thelongmile: that an ip owned by your isp
17:53<KingTarquin>Looks like it's routing problems with VM, thelongmile
17:53<Daevien>it dies a couple hops out from nac (nj provider)
17:53<thelongmile>Which is weird as I can't even ping by IP
17:53<thelongmile>That's concerning
17:54<Daevien>thelongmile: why would it nmatter if you used host or ip? hint: it won't
17:54<seanh-ansca>you might not have ever been able to ping it
17:54<thelongmile>It wouldn't, no
17:54<thelongmile>seanh-ansca: I know I have before as I've got a server running on there, have been for a while, explains a lot about why I couldn't see a DNS update a month ago
17:54<kyhwana>.. if you can't resolve it, you won't be able to ping it unless you use the IP
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17:55<seanh-ansca>no i mean ping
17:55<Daevien>it looks like there is an issue with your isp routing & nac, appearing from a quick check to be on your isps side since the router it dies at from mtr to your isp is the last one out from nac when i try other mtrs
17:55<thelongmile>That's the ISP kit,
17:55<thelongmile>Oh well, time to ask for my server to be moved, VM will NEVER fix that
17:56<kyhwana>thelongmile: ssh tunnel/proxy through your other linodes to your newark node?
17:56<kyhwana>(sshuttle is handy, at least in linux )
17:56<Daevien>so it goes down and you immediately want a change without bothering to try and get your isp to fix it or wait a bit to see if they fix it on their own....
17:58<thelongmile>Daevien: I completely agree with you EXCEPT… you've never dealt with Virgin media as an ISP. It's taken 5 months for me to get a stable Cable connection, KingTarquin might be able to confirm this but iirc VM were number 2 last year for the worst customer service ever. Also I've had a fault with the MUX in the street for the last 9 months. Estimated fix date? November 2013
18:00<Daevien>it could also just be a temporary thing. so you could just tunnel through another linode temp as kyhwana suggested and tell vm about the issue. if you just assume they won't do anything, they won't
18:00<KingTarquin>thelongmile: I always use High Level Complaints with VM, and things get fixed within a couple of days (with the exception of when they had to pull a new cable, and after they'd pulled a new cable, it turned out that that the signal needed reducing at the modem).
18:00<KingTarquin>But yeah, they do try and bullshit their way out of fixing problems.
18:01<thelongmile>See I've had no success with High Level Complaints. They completely ignore me every time
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18:02<Daevien>thats something called karma. you ask us stuff then ignore what we tell you. vm is just helping us balance karma :p
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18:03<KingTarquin>thelongmile: Play the OFCOM card then. :P
18:03<thelongmile>Daevien: I'm on the phone to them now, waiting to speak to the 'local' indian rep :P I'm not ignoring I promise you, I just hold no faith in the company whatsoever
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18:05<thelongmile>Whats the datacenter that linodes in, in NJ? just wondering if it's completely failing to communicate with that particular data center
18:05<KingTarquin>thelongmile: No point trying to talk to them at this time, they only do "line tests" and "have you turned your modem off and on again".
18:05<KingTarquin>Plus, when you try and speak to them from a technical perspective, they hang up, because they don't understand the words you use.
18:05<thelongmile>Oh apparently Glasgow is open 24 hours
18:06<thelongmile>KingTarquin: Yup
18:06<Daevien>thelongmile: linod ehas 6 datacenters. your question doesn't really make sense?
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18:07<dzho>thelongmile: the NJ DC is in Newark
18:07<thelongmile>Which particular DC in Newark are they using, company name etc, I'm wondering if I can get to any other servers that are hosted there, linode or not
18:07<Daevien>there is a routing issue between nac & vm somewhere, appearing to be on vm side potentially since i can get in and out of nj just fine except to vm of the places i tried
18:08<KingTarquin>thelongmile: As far as I am aware of, the Glasgow CC shuts at 18:00, then all calls are routed to India until 23:00.
18:08<Daevien>as i told you before, i tried to mtr to your ip, it dies going to the vm router
18:08<thelongmile>KingTarquin: we have conflicting information there
18:08<dzho>"newark data center" web search brings up the details for me
18:08<thelongmile>Daevien: sorry I understand now, I wasn't quite following
18:09<KingTarquin>thelongmile: Unless they've changed it in the past 6 months, then I'm not sure.
18:09<Daevien>i'm using irc through a nj linode, it works fine. i can mtr other places from the nj linode, works just fine. can't mtr to your ip, it dies where it seems liek it should be on a vm router
18:10<thelongmile>fair enough!
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18:12<thelongmile>local indian thinks I need a new wireless card *headdesk*
18:12<thelongmile>oh well, at least we've identified where the fault is
18:15<thelongmile>Oh, oh…. Apparently it's definitely an issue with the attenuator on my modem which is affecting my wireless card
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18:16<KingTarquin>They had to put on an attenuator on our modem, this was after they gave us two new modems, a new V+ HD box AND pulled a new cable from the cab to the house.
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18:17<KingTarquin>But we got 2 months free internet, and they reimbursed us for the downtime.
18:19<Daevien>my isp is pretty good, i think they have a note in my file to pass me off to higher level tech unless outage is in my area. thats the only time i don't get transferred soon as i verify who i am :p
18:20<thelongmile>more than I got, I ended up on the beta trial for three months. You know how the modem is now on R30? yeah, I was the one that delayed it for an extra month
18:20<Daevien>i used to get dorks onc ein a while but now i get a dork briefly, i ramble through their entire checklist of problems inside of 20 seconds and they just go, um, yeah i'm going to transfer you now
18:20<thelongmile>Daevien: I had that relationship with a business ISP once in my last job. I am so desperate for my K1 to go through and a move to the USA
18:21<KingTarquin>I'm still using one of the original CableStar modems they gave us 5 years ago :P
18:21<thelongmile>The blue one?
18:21<thelongmile>count yourself lucky, rare as hens teeth they are
18:21<KingTarquin>Nah, the one after that, the black one.
18:21<thelongmile>OOH I'm being on hold and being transferred to a more senior indian
18:21<KingTarquin>My brother has a blue one in birmingham.
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18:24<thelongmile>The funny thing is, I get weird network dropouts every other night. Every time I call they say there's no fault, and I finally got through to someone the other day who told me what the fault was. Guess what it was? No, go on,
18:24<thelongmile>my SNR dropped to 10…. TEN
18:25<thelongmile>You need a minimum of 27 for the cable modem to even talk to the MUX, 30 for any form of stability....
18:26<thelongmile>This was apparently normal operation according to the other call centres, the one guy, after two months, managed to escalate it at 8pm…. 7am the next morning there were two vans and a car parked outside the street cab, and i've not had a problem since
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18:30<thelongmile>Daevien: which ISP are you with? Sounds like I'll have to be with them when I move to the USA
18:31<Daevien>i'm not in the us :p
18:31<Daevien>and the us is big place so lots of isps anyway
18:31<rnowak>United France of Canada
18:32<Daevien>i'm in actually a fairly interesting area of connectivity. i have good connection to eastern us but also to london & other areas like that in europe
18:32<Daevien>could be because there is at least 1 companies undersea cables a few hours away from me :p
18:33<thelongmile>Daevien: Darn, which continent are you on!?
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18:34<Daevien>rnowak: gave you a clue :p
18:35<thelongmile>Ah, france of canada is telling me canada, but…. Ontario?
18:35<thelongmile>Or Quebec
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18:35<thelongmile>Doesen't TAT-14 come up there?
18:35<Daevien>nova scotia
18:35<thelongmile>Lucky you
18:36<thelongmile>I've upset the call center
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18:39<Daevien>i have between 50 - 110 ms to newark, london, atlanta, dallas, fremont. tokyo is the worst at 200 - 230 depending on time of day
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18:40<thelongmile>I did look at moving to canada but decided that I wanted more warmth
18:40<Daevien>i can almost always get within 10ms difference between fremont & london :p
18:41<Daevien>so either under an ocean or across the continent in about the same time :p
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18:42<thelongmile>Daevien: Jealous
18:43<Daevien>the only bad thign with my isp is being capped to 1mbit upstream is annoying
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18:44<Daevien>that being said, i CAN actually get that to 100mbit upstream, 100mbit downstream if i wanted. but all other packages except th eone i'm on have bandwidth caps too :p
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18:47<kyhwana>bandwidth caps or data caps?
18:47<Daevien>20mbit down, 1mbit up. no data cap
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18:49<thelongmile>Yes, because there's a limited amount of data to go around
18:50<thelongmile>It really annoys me when they say, Oh if you download more than 5 gig a month then you need to be capped
18:50<thelongmile>REALLY, because there's a limited amount of data on the planet is there?
18:51<kyhwana>although here it's because of a) we only really have one pipe to the US and b) the national peering/transit structure/setup is fucked
18:52<thelongmile>The US broadband structure does seem a tad weird to me
18:52*seanh-ansca is glad he doesn't have a cap..
18:52*Daevien scribbles out the words broadband & structure
18:52<seanh-ansca>as i download a full mirror of ubuntu 11.04...
18:52<kyhwana>Daevien: yeah, the US is pretty messed up ;)
18:53<rnowak>ha ha low speeds and/or transfer caps, ha
18:53<Daevien>seanh-ansca: i mirrored entire deb6 & ubuntu 10.04 in one night :p
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18:53<seanh-ansca>Daevien: i'm like 60% done, probably and hour or so left
18:53<thelongmile>I'm on 50Mb and for ONCE no download restrictions or throttling
18:53<thelongmile>when it works...
18:53<seanh-ansca>50/10 is nice :-p
18:53<Daevien>seanh-ansca: and have been off work for 3 months. unfortunately my isp doesn't even bother telling me how much bandwidth i use so i'm not sure ho wmuch i did get in those 3 months, but from my boredom level and the fact it was maxed much of time, it's prob scary :p
18:54<thelongmile>seanh-ansca: 50/5 here
18:54<thelongmile>the pigs
18:54<thelongmile>OOH update - I've woken someone up apparently
18:54<rnowak>an English friend on VM did get his 50Mbit package throttled in manchester after he pretty much kept download maxed for a few weeks
18:54<seanh-ansca>i have 20/5 at home, i would actually pay more for 15/10
18:54<seanh-ansca>gimped upload sucks :(
18:55<Daevien>seanh-ansca: try 1mbit up, it's really the worst part of my isp :p
18:55<seanh-ansca>Daevien: oi
18:55*rnowak giggles at Daevien
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18:55<Daevien>if i have to do a large upload, i abuse my access to the local college and trash their upstream :p
18:56<rnowak>how do you get it there in the first place? :p
18:56<thelongmile>Daevien: I was originally on 10 down and 1 up, The network for the ISP is perfectly capable of 10/10 or 50/50 they just choose not too to stop file sharers
18:56<Daevien>i have physical access to the campus on a couple different network segments, including one that isn't limited that most students don't know exists even :p
18:56<thelongmile>Daevien: that was the nice thing about my last job, 30mb up
18:56<rnowak>seanh-ansca: ah of course
18:57<KingTarquin>On our uni network, we get more up than down! :(
18:57<Daevien>thelongmile: yeah but you have caps / month, right?
18:57<kyhwana>Daevien: <3 Internet2 access ;)
18:57<thelongmile>Daevien: on that? nope, that was BT Global business line, 30/30, no caps
18:57<seanh-ansca>KingTarquin: it probably looks that way because of usage patterns
18:57<rnowak>there's not a fast enough speedtest server to measure what I can down/upload at from work :p
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18:58<thelongmile>I worked for Siemens, 1000/1000 (I wee'd a little when I got to see that)
18:58<kyhwana>We have it here at work and happily AARNET have an ipv6 tunnel broker that's accesable via internet1 and 2 and will route v6 out to Internet1 too
18:59<KingTarquin>I'm going to go in to the library in the middle of the night and run it then. Apparently, during the evening, the network runs at 5% of the capacity used during the day.
18:59<thelongmile>KingTarquin: I wouldn't believe that especially if you have students connected to it through student residences
19:00<KingTarquin>thelongmile: Different networks.
19:00<KingTarquin>I think they have two connections to JANET.
19:00<KingTarquin>Academic and Residence.
19:01<thelongmile>sorry I just died a little when I saw JaNET
19:01<KingTarquin>We have a connection to Manchester and one to Lancaster.
19:02<rnowak>SUNET, one university network to rule them all
19:03<thelongmile>My query is being escalated… I think I REALLY upset them
19:03<kyhwana>hah, our network here is KAREN. Aussies is AARNET
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19:04<rnowak>SUNET = Swedish University NETwork. >Swedish<, you folks can just give up now ;p
19:04<thelongmile>That network is going to put everything I've just said to shame isn't it
19:04<thelongmile>or something ridiculous like that
19:04<rnowak>over 9000!
19:05<Daevien>40 or 50 Gbit/sec last i knew between the various locations isn't it rnowak?
19:05<Daevien>sunet is crazy. hence why it's swedish
19:06<thelongmile>See now, Crazy and Sweedish… didn't link together for me
19:06<thelongmile>Crazy and DUTCH
19:07<rnowak>Depends on link, but there's one that is running at 800 Gbps capacity, the backbone from south to north. Primarily used between LU and UMU. There's probably capacity for more, but it is synced at that rate
19:07<KingTarquin>I'm trying to see what out in/out is, but I can't find anything on JaNET
19:07<rnowak>Then we have a sick link to holland, to the university of groningen
19:07<Daevien>rnowak = swedish chef from the muppets long lost son
19:08<bob2>rnowak, BORK BORK BORK
19:08<rnowak>I googled for bork and now I am on a weird google page... in bork
19:08<thelongmile>Sorry, I was having a foodgasm watching man vs food
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19:09<rnowak>I never watched the muppets, creeped me the hell out
19:09<KingTarquin>Currently running at 100GB/s
19:10<rnowak>103km section
19:10<KingTarquin>That's a news article, I found the proper information later on,
19:11<rnowak>pdf, be warned
19:12<thelongmile>KingTarquin: I'll bet you it's full!
19:12<KingTarquin>Our building has a dedicated 100GB/s connection...
19:12<KingTarquin>Then the rest of the uni has a 100GB/s connection.
19:12<Daevien> <- rnowak at work
19:14<KingTarquin>thelongmile: (Towards the bottom, University of Central Lancashire)
19:14<thelongmile>The page is taking a long time to load :P
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19:15<AviMarcus>erm KingTarquin I thought the fastest switches were 10 gigabit.
19:15<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
19:15<thelongmile>When does the narwhal bacon?
19:15<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
19:15<rnowak>mmm bacon
19:15<kyhwana>AviMarcus: there are 40/100gbit switches/gear now
19:16<kyhwana>But KingTarquin is using the wrong case for GB ;)
19:16<alphabitcity>when connecting linode to my github, do i have to ssh-keygen again or can i use the public key that's already in my authorized_keys file that lets me login from my laptop
19:16<AviMarcus>100 gigabit is a little less. OK :P
19:16<rnowak>and you need to keep in mind the optical switches that run at multiple Tbps
19:16<thelongmile>Today I learned every state in the USA has a flag
19:17<kyhwana>alphabitcity: er what? You mean when git pull something ot your linode?
19:17<AviMarcus>thelongmile, and a bird!
19:17<alphabitcity>kyhwana: i'm trying to get it set up so that i can push to git and deploy from git to linode .. i read that i need to do "ssh" once, but it's denying my public key
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19:18<kyhwana>alphabitcity: follow
19:18<kyhwana>just generate a different keypair for git
19:19<bob2>alphabitcity, yes make a new key
19:19<alphabitcity>kyhana: ok, will try that
19:19<kyhwana>github, that is
19:19<bob2>alphabitcity, so if/when your linode gets pwned, ...
19:19<bob2>alphabitcity, use make it a deploy only key so it can't push changes
19:24<alphabitcity>i generated a new key pair and added the public key to my github account and then tried to "ssh" but i'm getting a permission denied (publickey) .. could it be that it's trying to use the key from authorized_keys instead of github_rsa?
19:25<bob2>if the key isn't ~/.ssh/id_{rsa,ecdsa,dsa}, you need to tell ssh to use it explicitly
19:25<kyhwana>alphabitcity: you're fogetting something
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19:26<alphabitcity>hm ok
19:26<bob2> is the thing you want to use
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19:27<alphabitcity>dead link
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19:31<alphabitcity>i specified the file and i'm still getting denied, also an unprotected private key error:
19:31<bob2>guess what that means
19:31<bob2>how did you do that anyway
19:31<kyhwana>Yes, see that bit where it says "this private key will be ignored"? Guess what that means
19:31<bob2>ssh-keygen makes the perms correct
19:32<alphabitcity>i ssh-keygen'd it, so i guess not
19:32<rnowak>why are you supplying the public key for -i?
19:33<kyhwana>and why are you trying to ssh to as "git"?
19:33<alphabitcity>rnowak: because otherwise it uses authorized_keys instead of the key pair i generated for github
19:33<kyhwana>also yeah, supply the private key, not the public one
19:33<bob2>alphabitcity, no it doesn't
19:33<alphabitcity>kyhwana: i'm sshing as instructed to here:
19:34<bob2>ssh -i ~/.ssh/github_rsa
19:34<alphabitcity>cheers, that worked :)
19:34<rnowak>what's the use of using keys if one doesn't even know which key is which and what to do with them
19:35<alphabitcity>rnowak: what am i doing wrong? trying to learn.
19:35<rnowak>then don't make stupid assumptions, and learn instead.
19:35<seanh-ansca>authorized_keys is for incoming connections
19:36<alphabitcity>seanh-ansca: gotcha, thank you
19:36<seanh-ansca>private keys need to be loaded into your auth agent
19:36<seanh-ansca>man ssh-add
19:36<dcraig>why do you have to use keys?
19:37<alphabitcity>dcraig: so that my server and github can safely connect?
19:37<bob2>ssh keys for deployment is fine
19:37<bob2>but seriously make them deployment keys not regular ones
19:39<rnowak>I prefer pushing deployments than pulling in *shrug*
19:39<bob2>fair enough
19:39<rnowak>yeah, as a side note ;p
19:40<seanh-ansca>air drop only, let gravity do the work for you :-p
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19:40<seanh-ansca>all this pushing and pulling just sounds like so much work ;)
19:40*ericoc thought of osx lion's AirDrop
19:41<rnowak>depoloyment drop in progress, fasten your seatbelts and enjoy the ride
19:41<bob2>one system i have ssh's to remote host, runs 'cd /checkout ; git fetch && git reset --hard origin/live'
19:41<bob2>PUSH AND PULL
19:41<rnowak>like a baws
19:42<seanh-ansca>bob2: is that script called ""?
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19:57<linbot>New news from forums: High CPU Usage after upgrade to Ubuntu 11.10 in General Discussion <>
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19:58<kyhwana>hrm, why do people upgrade servers to non-LTS releases?
19:59<Lee->newer is always better right?
19:59<Kos>same reason I tried running a desktop machine on gentoo as amd~, I thought it'd be a great idea
20:05<thorrr>i prefer, "It seemed like a good idea at the time"
20:06<boba>"i enjoy getting egg on my face when a library upgrade breaks half my packages"
20:06<EugeneKay>Gentoo: Yo dawg I heard you like compiling
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21:15<kyhwana>That was odd, irssi+screen locked up, but I was able to use reptyr to attach to it outside screen, then reattach it inside screen again, but it looks like the actual process had frozen and I timed out everywhere
21:16<EugeneKay>ZNC > irssi+screen
21:16<kyhwana>Nivex: tmux was too crashy for me
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21:17<kyhwana>EugeneKay: eh, but I don't always want a local irc client :P
21:17<Nivex>kyhwana: how long ago? It was crashy for me awhile back too, but running the latest ver it's been rock solid
21:17<EugeneKay>So run irssi on ZNC
21:17<kyhwana>Nivex: hmm, about ~4-5 months ago
21:19<kyhwana>EugeneKay: hmm, I guess I could but eh, I already use irssi+screen+irssi-proxy
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21:27<rnowak>unless an equally nice client with 256 color support is released, then 4life that.
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21:29<bob2>257 colour support
21:30<rnowak>you rebel, you
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21:58<boba>16 colors ought to be enough for anybody
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22:54<daos>Irssi 0.8.15 (20100403) -
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22:55<daos>that was for rnowak
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22:56<dcraig>how do you pronounce irssi?
22:56<Arutha>i r s s i
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22:56<kyhwana>I pronounce it er-see
22:57<Arutha>thats how i pronounce it
22:57<@ericoc>eye are ess ess eye
22:57<Arutha>er-see would make sense
22:57<dcraig>I just do the letters, too
22:57<dcraig>but I'm not sure that's correct
22:57<Arutha>it's open to interpretation :)
22:58<@ericoc> has an audio file!
22:58<dcraig>there are so many computer-related words that I never actually say out loud
22:58<@ericoc>oh, it's actually just a link to
22:58<kyhwana>lol, is now down
22:58<@ericoc>i think "GUI" is the most interesting, saying "gooey" sounds so lame
22:58<kyhwana>they just mentioned it in the ICS/nexus galaxy video stream and boom, it's down
22:58<dcraig>I have to do that weird thing with the R?
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23:12<Solver>ericoc: non-IT types always look confused when someone says gooey
23:13<amitz>I never have the need to say GUI because everything is GUI? ;-)
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23:14*Solver says C-L-I and gooey
23:14<tonyyarusso>What is "say"? ;)
23:14<amitz>I call it terminal because the icon said so :-p
23:15<Solver>tonyyarusso: :)
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23:16<MTecknology>Solver: I still say G-U-I .. I get the same result
23:16<Solver>MTecknology: hahaha :)
23:21<rnowak>daos: ?
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23:29<Arutha>gaurav, where are you from?
23:29<gaurav>Austin man
23:29<Arutha>just wondered cos I have a client with that name, and its not a name i commonly see
23:30<gaurav>Haha, I think I've only met 3 other Gauravs before
23:30<Arutha>i couldnt understand exactly what he was saying when i first spoke to him.. so avoiding saying his name
23:30<Arutha>then got an email and was like
23:30<Arutha>OHHH Gaurav.. got it now.
23:31<gaurav>Haha yea, the more traditional pronunciation difficult
23:31<Arutha>i'm sure i murder it when I say it
23:31<gaurav>Go-rav works well
23:32*Solver worked at the Uni of Toronto with a professor who had come from mainland China. He was kind enough to put a phonetic pronounciation of his first name in his email sig :)
23:32<Arutha>Solver, Love it!
23:32<Arutha>that would be so useful for numerous things
23:32<Solver>he probably got sick of people getting it wrong :)
23:32<Arutha>things.. people..
23:32<Arutha>my name is spelt unusual, but its a common name
23:32<gaurav>oh gotta go! brb
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23:33<Arutha>Joh (Jo/Joe)
23:33<Arutha>i get John most commonly
23:33<Arutha>i just respond to both now.
23:33<Arutha>whats most difficult is my brother is named Jon...
23:33<Solver>ah like
23:33<Solver>Joh Bjelke-Petersen :)
23:33<Arutha>yes, named after
23:33<Solver>ah cool
23:34<Arutha>how the hell did you pull that one out of the air
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23:34*Solver lives in Queensland :)
23:34<Arutha>ah ok
23:34<Arutha>that makes more sense then
23:34<Arutha>I just assume everyone is American online
23:34<Solver>I'm sure there is a statue of Joh Bjelke-Petersen around here somewhere :)
23:34<@Praefectus>ya, because america is the only place with the intertubes
23:35<Solver>quite a few aussies in this channel
23:35<Arutha>just seems to be the majority you come across are
23:35<Solver>and kiwis
23:35<rnowak>yes, f yeah america
23:35<@Praefectus>rnowak is the only american here
23:35*Solver lives in north america for 8 years but is currently back in aus
23:35<rnowak>yep, sup
23:35<Arutha>bloody kiwis..
23:35<@ericoc>all this america talk is making my highlightiness go insane :<
23:36<rnowak>ahmerikun eh
23:36<Solver>yay Canada!
23:36<Arutha>everyone loves Canada..
23:36*Solver loves Canada
23:36*Solver is also Canadian :)
23:36*Arutha is American Australian
23:37*Solver is Australian Canadian
23:37<Arutha>it gives me an unfortunate outside look on the US that I think alot of Americans would benifit from
23:37<Solver>I work with so many americans here in aus
23:37<Solver>quite a big expat community now me thinks
23:37<rnowak>america superior #1, amirite Praefectus
23:38<@Praefectus>yer wrong
23:38<rnowak>damn, all my dreams shattered, just like that
23:38<@Praefectus>you're welcome!
23:39<@Praefectus>any other dreams you'd like shattered tonight?
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23:39<Arutha>I want to be in the 1%
23:39<@Praefectus>ima go have a cig, you think about it and lemme know
23:40<Solver>the mysterious cabal of backroom deal makers?yeah sounds like fun
23:41<Arutha>Solver, It can only be brought down from the inside
23:41<Arutha>we need to infiltrate
23:41<Arutha>quick, give me money!
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23:42*Fieldy double checks the channel name
23:42<audi>hello guys, I need suggestion about run node.js on linode
23:42<Solver>fisted_: #newworldorder
23:42<audi>I already install
23:42<Solver>Fieldy: #newworldorder
23:42<Fieldy>nah, not interested, thank you for moving it though
23:42<Solver>hmm fisted_ is an interesting nick :)
23:42<audi>when I run node server I can't open via browser
23:42<audi>Broser said too long not response
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23:48<Arutha>Solver, poor fellow, paste tense also
23:50<rnowak>tense pasta
23:50<Arutha>give it a nice warm bath and it will relax rnowak, it will also become incresingly delicious :D
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.43493058, 0.13848197) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108330 of 137526 (π ≈ 3.150822389948083 - 0.009229736358289). http://π
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