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---Logopened Mon Oct 31 00:00:02 2011
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00:00<joe>hi - quick question:
00:00<joe>do i need a video card (or virtual video card) to take screenshots of web pages via a linode?
00:00<joe>also, a screen record of scrolling down a web page?
00:01<bob2>but don't do that, make someone else do it
00:01<bob2>any of the ten thousand results you get on google for "website screenshots"
00:01<joe>i havent found anyone who does screen records of scrolling down a web page
00:01<joe>what *would* you need a physical video card to do?
00:02<joe>i mean
00:02<bob2>not that
00:02<joe>what would you need a physical video card for as per video processing? or not at all ever?
00:03<joe>so this would run fine on a linode no problem, given dependencies are met?
00:03<rnowak>as long as a render context can be created for your graphics API of choice without relying on a video card
00:04<joe>can you point me to docs on this - im lost at the "render context
00:04<bob2>what's the point?
00:04<joe>in an easy to view video format
00:05<joe>instead of making people surf pages they want to view -
00:05<joe>not for everyone, i know :]
00:05*rnowak stares
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00:11<joe>would something like be a render context that is compatible w/ linode? thank you
00:12<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: 3.1 kernel
00:13<rnowak>joe: a render context is something low level in a graphics API - you would need to investigate that yourself, I doubt people here would spend that time for you. If you do not know what to do, just try it and you'll quickly find out if it works or not.
00:14<joe>yeah, okay. i appreciate the advice and information. thank you rnowak. will investigate graphics api.
00:15<joe>i am assuming there is not a known api that might be in the direction of what i search?
00:15<rnowak>You should look at the codecs you want to use, and check their requirements.
00:15<joe>i see
00:15<marshall>i just discovered twitter bootstrap
00:15<marshall>hella nice
00:15<Obsidian|server>it is awesome yes
00:17<joe>rnowak: and bob2 - thanks much. you kick hard -- much appreciated and thank you again.
00:17<bob2>i didn't do anything useful at all
00:17<joe>i appreciate all the tips.
00:17<joe>until the next. ;0)
00:18<rnowak>I like pie
00:18<joe>juicy :D
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01:06<CarbonTech>Hello. I'm pretty much a newb at all of this and was trying to install phpmyadmin to my server. For some reason I no longer can access my site.
01:06<CarbonTech>I was following the guide from here:
01:10<kyhwana>CarbonTech: define your "site". Your webserver? You can't ssh into your linode anymore, what?
01:10<CarbonTech>I can ssh into my linode, but my webserver is down.
01:11<kyhwana>so, what error did you get or what errors in your logs are there when you went to restart apache?
01:11<bob2>now you read your apache error log
01:11<CarbonTech>How does one read the log?
01:12<kyhwana>bob2: this ones all yours, I just got home from trying to fix ITS's fucked up dns/dhcp shit
01:12<bob2>i'm out
01:16<Sophira>CarbonTech: The error log is normally at /var/log/apache2/error_log.
01:17<CarbonTech>There's a bunch of stuff in it.
01:17<bob2>welcome to being a sysadmin
01:17<bob2>now go to the end and see what happened last
01:17<Sophira>Look towards the end, that's where the latest messages are.
01:17<CarbonTech>"caught SIGTERM, shutting down"
01:18<Sophira>That sounds like the server just got stopped normally.
01:18<Sophira>Try doing "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" as root.
01:18<CarbonTech>Hmm, was trying to restart it a little while ago.
01:18<Obsidian|server>"sudo service apache2 start"
01:18<CarbonTech>It says "Starting web server apache2" bad user name webeditor ... fail!
01:19*Obsidian|server smells changes to /etc/apache2/envvars
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01:21<Sophira>CarbonTech: Where is the username "webeditor" coming from?
01:21<Sophira>(if you know)
01:21<CarbonTech>I have no idea... could it be from the php my admin?
01:22<CarbonTech>Would it be prudent to uninstall apache and then re-install it?
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01:27<CarbonTech>What should I do then?
01:28<bob2>what did you do?
01:28<CarbonTech>Try to install phpmyadmin.
01:28<bob2>what actual actions did you perform
01:28<bob2>no one else can see your screen or shell history
01:30<bob2>a thing to do would be 'sudo grep -nir webeditor /etc/'
01:32<CarbonTech>I was just following whatever guides were in the library.
01:32<bob2>you don't own or
01:32<kenyon>heh mysql -u root -p mainDatabase
01:32<bob2>a thing to do would be 'sudo grep -nir webeditor /etc/'
01:34<bob2>you over-literally followed a bunch of articles on the library
01:34<bob2>that's why things are broken
01:36<CarbonTech>So how does one proceed from here?
01:36<bob2>can you just remove the node and start over?
01:39<CarbonTech>I have a question: what do the virtual host files in etc/apache2/sites-available/ do?
01:40<kyhwana>they define your virtual hosts
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01:49<tonyyarusso>Also, you don't actually have pico on your system, so why do you call it that way still?
01:51<CarbonTech>I Googled it? I'm trying learning everything with absolutely no knowledge in apache, linux, and most of the command line >.>
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02:20<tyler>hey guys
02:23<tyler>what do you guys use for a video player on your own website?
02:24<tyler>I don't want to use YouTube. ;)
02:24<tyler>Not my thing, I want something I can host directly.
02:24<tyler>what file types does that support?
02:24<tyler>Does it do .flv?
02:24<kyhwana>lol flv
02:24<kyhwana>no, it's HTML5
02:25<kenyon>OGG plz
02:25<tyler>at least I got some lol's out of that.
02:25<synapt>HTML5 doesn't really do 'anything' so much as "Does the browser do it" at the moment
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02:51<mdcollins>I'm trying to forward tcp connections a port to another server, would that be considered a proxy?
02:51<bob2>what's it for?
02:52<kyhwana>more or less
02:52<mdcollins>Essentially I need a week of forwarding the old minecraft port to a new one..
02:52<kyhwana>why does it matter?
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02:53<mdcollins>Trying to not lose any people because I didn't plan the change well :( I forgot to take the port change into account.
02:54<mdcollins>Looks like iptables may be able to do it..
02:54<kyhwana>yep, you'll obviously need to keep the old box/ip for the entire time
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02:55<mdcollins>I have one I can use for that purpose. I already set up the dns records for the change by lowering the ttl.
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03:04<Kamilion>ahh, I'm diggin these inbound traffic alert emails :D
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03:16<dcraig>Kamilion, incoming!
03:16<Kamilion>oh yes, yes it was. And quite quickly.
03:16<Kamilion>nice 16MB/sec.
03:17<dcraig>that's many mega bytes
03:17<Kamilion>yeah, somewhere 'round 23GB if I added all these bytes up
03:18<dcraig>uploading ur cat pics or what?
03:18<Kamilion>snarfing my tarball backups from rackspace cloudfiles.
03:18<Kamilion>they're stupid HTTP calls and my crappy clear 4G wimax do not mix well
03:19<Kamilion>rather, the linux fuse and windows clients just choke on a connection dropout.
03:19<Kamilion>so i sez to my one legged linode, peg, i sez, get in the kitchen and get me those files.
03:20<dcraig>what is this I don't even
03:20<Kamilion>and now winscp is resuming the sftp connection every connection hiccup and I expect my backups to arrive here in... 3 days. *sigh*
03:20<dcraig>that's the cloud for ya...
03:21<Kamilion>not the cloud's fault
03:21<Kamilion>i blame clear's horrible throttling policies
03:22<Solver>messing with scp options can improve transfer speed
03:22<Solver>google gives suggestions
03:22*Kamilion shakes his head
03:22<Kamilion>they've got me throttled to 70KB/sec.
03:22<dcraig>why wouldn't the good settings be the defaults?
03:22<Solver>my experience with this has been with scp only though
03:22<dcraig>what kind of world are we living in where things are intentionally set to be slow!?
03:23<Solver>dcraig: because the network charactierstics are different
03:23<Kamilion>it's more like laziness on the part of the clientside; the window can be opened much wider than winscp or psftp will let it
03:24<Kamilion>plus if you negotiate a lower cpu crypto, you can also usually speed things up.
03:24<Solver>yesh that's another one
03:24<dcraig>just FTP, it'll go fastest
03:24<Kamilion>i do not like 30 year old plaintext password protocols :3
03:24<Solver>but then you need to set up an ftp server if you don't have one - we opted to optimised scp :)
03:25<Solver>and yes the plaintext in the clear is not so good either :)
03:25<Kamilion>i refuse to run insecure services.
03:25<Kamilion>I mean, other than PHP... @_@
03:25<dcraig>y'all a bunch of haters
03:25<kyhwana>lol ftp
03:25<Solver>in one case we optimised scp over dark fiber within an organisation - we could have ser up ftpd but didn't :)
03:26*Solver worked hard to rid himself of ftp
03:26<Kamilion>now, here's the real trick
03:26<Kamilion>i got myself a set of tar.gz.0 .1 .2 .3 files from rackspace's backup
03:27<Kamilion>i know they're split at the 5GB mark
03:27<Solver>are you asking how to recover them?
03:27<Kamilion>but I'm not exactly clear on how to glue them back together into one big file once I got 'em on a filesystem that can handle it
03:27<Solver>'cause that's easy
03:27<Solver>cat foo.tar.gz.* > foo.tar.gz
03:28<dcraig>the tar command doesn't just know to combine them when you untar them?
03:28<Solver>as an added bonus they get globbed in the rigth order :)
03:28<Kamilion>is there a simple opposite of that? ;)
03:28<Solver>dcraig: they are split after being tarred. it's quite a common approach to shipping large files
03:28<Kamilion>they're split after gzip
03:28<Solver>(that's what I meant :)
03:29<Kamilion>which is what worries me a bit
03:29<Solver>it is fine
03:29<Kamilion>as long as all the sha1sums match
03:29<Solver>I've done this many times
03:29<Kamilion>how do I make those splits myself?
03:29<Solver>as long as they didn't flub it when they did the split it should be good
03:29<StevenK>gzip -t if you're worried
03:29<Solver>and really split would be hard to flub
03:30<Solver>Kamilion: use the split command
03:30<Kamilion>good point
03:30<Kamilion>-b 5G?
03:30<Solver>normally the suffix when using split is aa, ab, etc
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03:30<Kamilion>-b 5G -d?
03:30<Solver>yep that looks right
03:31<Kamilion>that'll come in handy when I have to use my roommate's idiotic 2TB external that's been formatted fat32 *shakes head*
03:32<Solver>I used to use split to backup to 2GB files in the ancient past when linux had trouble with larger files
03:32<Kamilion>kinda wish i had deleted all the mp3s before taking the final backup
03:32<Kamilion>woulda saved me a bunch of trouble >.<
03:33<Kamilion>all i need is /var/www/* and /etc/*
03:33<Kamilion>so i can recover my nginx configs for my shiny new linode
03:33<Solver>well disk is cheap, archive the tar.gz file - you never know what you may want to get out of it one day
03:34<Kamilion>oh no doubt
03:34<Solver>people often remember something important later
03:34<Kamilion>I'm already copying the first 5GB chunk to my external 500GB right now
03:34<Kamilion>have to go into town tomorrow so I might be able to leech the rest from someone's comcast
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03:35<Kamilion>(also, i just realized, that 16MB/sec was rackspace DFW -> linode Dallas)
03:36<Kamilion>probably can't expect speeds like that normally... hehehehe
03:36<dcraig>guess rackspace doesn't limit outbound speeds at 50 Mbps
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03:38<Reith>We have received a report of spam originating from an IP address assigned to your Linode. Please investigate this issue and update this ticket within 24 hours to avoid disruptions in service.
03:38<Reith>what means Spam? i have not any mail server...
03:39<synapt>probably would be faster to respond to the ticket in all honesty
03:39<Solver>Reith: you don't need a listening mail server to send email. Could someone have broken in and sent spam?
03:40<Reith>hmmm.. no. but i have a project that send mails when some one register to system
03:40<Reith>a php website.
03:40<Solver>it's not uncommon for someone to ask for a registration email and then flag it as spem :)
03:41<Solver>but having said that remain open the possibility of unauthorised access
03:41<Reith>Solver: sendmail: Cannot open mail:25
03:41<Reith>Solver: i think it is not possible to send mail yet..
03:42<kyhwana>Reith: so someone's used your phpo script to send spam
03:42<kyhwana>Reith: whats your linodes IP?
03:42<Solver>sendmail can send email without binding to a port locally (ie, without listening for incoming email)
03:42<Solver>*without binding to a listening port, I shold say
03:43<Reith>Solver: so php couldn't send mail enither.. yes?
03:44<bob2>no, your php thing could well be spamming people
03:44<Solver>Reith: php could send email unless you are blocking outbound port 25 and someone couldn't re-enable it
03:44<bob2>if it's a signup form, you need to rate limit outbound mail
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03:44<Solver>Reith: do you have any email logs generated from your site? cross-reference with any info you have (such as a time of the reported spam)
03:44<Solver>they should give you something to go on
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03:45<Reith>Solver: they send me an email.. but i can't get something from that :(
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03:46<rnowak>If your site does not log when it sends an email, it needs fixing
03:46<kyhwana>Reith: what are you running on ports 8080/1723/1080?
03:46<Solver>Reith: as a precaution run rkhunder and/or chkrootkit. ideally a fresh copy just downloaded
03:46<Reith>kyhwana: sqyuid/vpn server/socks proxy
03:46<Tishaishii>Do I need to pay for incoming and outgoing traffic on linode hosting?
03:46<Solver>kyhwana: nice :) I hadn't scanned him yet :)
03:46<rnowak>Tishaishii: outgoing
03:47<Tishaishii>You said, I need to pay only for outgoing traffic?
03:47<kyhwana>Reith: you might want to close that socks proxy
03:47<kyhwana>it's open to everyone, so anyone can use it to send spam through
03:47<Reith>kyhwana: it's not possible to change port? i need it
03:47<rnowak>Tishaishii: yes.
03:47<rnowak>wow, open proxy? sweet
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03:48<Solver>Reith: you don't need to change its port - just configure it properly :)
03:48<kyhwana>Reith: you need to firewall that off or at least setup (lol setup) a login for it
03:48<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
03:48<Reith>Solver: kyhwana: ah.. ok. thanks :)
03:50<Reith>kyhwana: sorry but it will solve Spam issue??
03:50<bob2>it's a problem
03:50<kyhwana>Reith: yes, also make sure your squid proxy requires a login or is firewalled off..
03:50<bob2>who knows if you have others
03:50<Solver>who said it was the only issue :)
03:50<kyhwana>rnowak: hah, knew you'd do that ;)
03:50<rnowak>kyhwana: I knew you knew that I would
03:51<Reith>kyhwana: yes. it uses.. honestly i couldn't enable PAM on dante.. on squid it was easy.. thanks anyway. :)
03:51<kyhwana>Reith: why are you running an open squid/socks proxy, especially if you're doing a VPN? bind your squid/socks proxy to your internal VPN IP, so you have to vpn in to get to them
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03:51<Reith>kyhwana: conditions from country that i'm leaving force me to do it..
03:52<kyhwana>Well, said country and sniff your unencrypted squid/socks traffic..
03:52<Reith>kyhwana: vpn speed is so low and openVPN TLS handshake blocked and ...
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03:52*Solver takes a guess as to the country
03:52<Reith>kyhwana: no.. i runned squid throush stunnel.. it's encrypted..
03:53<kyhwana>ahhah, what about the socks proxy then?
03:53<Reith>kyhwana: and socks.. i think it is encrypted by default
03:53<Reith>Solver: ? :D
03:53*Solver guesses China but others may fit
03:54<Solver>was I close? :)
03:54<Reith>Solver: No.. -10 points! :)
03:54<Solver>doh :)
03:54<kyhwana>er no, a connection to SOCKS proxy isn't encrypted.
03:54<kyhwana>I'd suggest binding it to localhost only and using a ssh tunnel
03:55<Solver>oh got it
03:55<kyhwana>Anyway, you have to do something to secure your SOCKs proxy, people are sending spam through it
03:55<Solver>Reith: this time I actually did some network look ups :)
03:55<Reith>kyhwana: thanks.. i should read about socks proxy..
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04:01<user0487>I've chosen tarif plan "Linode 768". Why I shold pay?
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04:02<Solver>why? is that a philosophical question? :)
04:02<kyhwana>Do you want good service/support/etc?
04:02<user0487>I chose the tariff plan "Linode 786." Where can I find details of what to pay?
04:03<kyhwana>user0487: it's on the main page
04:03<user0487>Plaese, tell me, what is "Transfer"?
04:04<gerryvdm_>the amount of data transfered over the intertubes
04:04<user0487>I seen, that the "Transfer" is "300GB". But what it means?
04:04<rnowak>and since incoming is now free, it is only outgoing.
04:05<kyhwana>user0487: it means you get 300GB of outgoing data transfer
04:05<Solver>user0487: it would mean your linode sent out 300GB of data
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04:05<rnowak>!extras If you need more, it is available for 0.10 USD per GB
04:05<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
04:05<user0487>I mean, it is the payed transfer.
04:06<kyhwana>user0487: yes
04:06<user0487>But what I should to do when I need some extra transfer?
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04:07<kyhwana>See above
04:07<user0487>What heppens when payed transfer exceeds?
04:07<rnowak>read my message above, and the one that followed by linbot
04:08<rnowak>You will be billed if you use more transfer, your account will not be suspended or anything such, if that is what you wonder.
04:12<user0487>linbot: Thanks alot.
04:17<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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05:01<linbot>New news from forums: Lost FTP login details in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
05:02<kyhwana>I don't even
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05:47<crimbox>when i ls -la, all my files and folders are owned by crimbox crimbox. is this right?
05:48<crimbox>for a website, shouldnt the files be www-data www-data?
05:49<kyhwana>yes, in theory. They have to be at least readable by everyone, if you want apache to be able to read them. (www-data)
05:50<crimbox>but every time i add files the permissions are always of the user
05:50<crimbox>how would i automake it to be www-data
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05:53<kyhwana>er, you could su to www-data
05:55<chesty>crimbox: generally you don't want the web server to be able to write to files it's serving
05:56<chesty>so crimbox 644 is fine
05:56<crimbox>but what about the owner and group? shouldnt they be www-data?
05:57<chesty>no, that would make them writable by the web server
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06:30<crimbox>how do i disable and reverse the SSL i just setup?
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06:31<kyhwana>just undo whatever it is you just did
06:31<kyhwana>(and restart apache/whatever)
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06:35<crimbox>why do i need SSL to install phpmyadmin?
06:35<AlexC_>crimbox: you don't, however without it you'll be transmitting all your data over plaintext
06:36<kyhwana>including your database password, etc.
06:36<crimbox>but SSL is the s in https right? why dont all websites have it then?
06:36<BarkerJr>this is why I don't password-protect phomyadmin
06:37<BarkerJr>I use apache's acl security instead of mysql
06:38<crimbox>is it possible to setup SSL for only phpmyadmin instead of the entire website?
06:38<crimbox>the linode guide doesnt tell how
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06:38<BarkerJr>you could setup a domain just for phpmyadmin and ssl that
06:38<AlexC_>crimbox: how do you mean?
06:39<crimbox>well i just setup SSL and tried going to my website and chrome told me i needed to add https to view the site
06:39<AlexC_>crimbox: a few reasons why SSL/TLS is not used for everything is because you'll run into major headaches regarding caching & proxies, and until SNI is more supported there simply would not enough IP addresses
06:40<AlexC_>crimbox: do you quite simply having
06:41<crimbox>what do you mean?
06:41<rnowak>have phpmyadmin only on a localhost vhost, and access it using a ssh tunnel
06:42<crimbox>im trying to follow this guide:
06:43<crimbox>so i need a self-signed certificate just for phpmyadmin
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06:44<rnowak>or you put it on a localhost-only vhost and access it over a ssh tunnel, and as such don't need ssl just for phpmyadmin, and it will be more secure unless you also use client certificates in case some sort of phpmyadmin exploit is found
06:45<rnowak>I think things like phpmyadmin are a seriously bad idea if publically accessible
06:45<crimbox>rnowak: is there a guide to do that?
06:46<rnowak>plenty on google, but I have no idea which one is good or not.
06:48<crimbox>i think ill stick with linode guides
06:51<BarkerJr>how much more support for SNI is needed? every browser already supports it
06:53<rnowak>No, every browser currently used does not, and especially one that is still used quite a bit does not support it.
06:53<bob2>wxcept IE on XP
06:54<kyhwana>IE6/XP needs to die already
06:57<crimbox>vps is sooo hard!
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06:58<AlexC_>crimbox: it's calling learning
07:00<crimbox>i have 4 more days to learn everything before theres no turning back...
07:00<rnowak>4 days to learn everything? ha ha
07:00<AlexC_>crimbox: you will not learn everything in 4 days ...
07:02<crimbox>if i dont learn at least enough then im getting my money back!
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07:05<BarkerJr>that's the policy
07:06<crimbox>i installed phpmyadmin mysql password so i aborted when i got to that step
07:06<crimbox>how do i get back to that stage?
07:07<crimbox>wait. that doesnt make sense
07:07<AlexC_>crimbox: what you typed makes no sense
07:08<crimbox> i installed phpmyadmin but i forgot the mysql password so i aborted when i got to that step
07:08<AlexC_>to what step?
07:08<crimbox>creating config ffile
07:09<crimbox>for the database
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07:10<crimbox>apt-get install phpmyadmin just says that its installed and doesnt go through the steps again
07:10<AlexC_>crimbox: `dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin`
07:11<crimbox>awesome thanks alaxC_
07:11<Kamilion>adminer > phpmyadmin
07:12<crimbox>i just want standard things so i dont have to deal with any unstandard problems
07:12<rnowak>`mysql` > mysql workbench > *
07:13<Kamilion>IMHO: * > mysql > oracle
07:13*Kamilion wanders off to bed
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07:29<amitz>neo > oracle > 'oracle' > *
07:39<crimbox>on this page
07:39<crimbox>what ip address do i put there?
07:40<AlexC_>crimbox: will you always be accessing PMA from the same IP address?
07:40<crimbox>probably two addresses
07:41<crimbox>i put my ip in there but still get a 403
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07:41<AlexC_>crimbox: check your error logs to see why you were denied, these will be in /var/log/apache2/vhosts/foobar
07:42<AlexC_>replacing foobar with your virtualhost. Use 'ls' to see what files exist in /var/log/apache2/vhosts
07:53<crimbox>there are 2 errors logs.. error.log and error.log.1
07:55<crimbox>neither of them say anything about 403
07:55<AlexC_>crimbox: now try looking in /var/log/apache2/vhosts :)
07:56<rnowak>if there's no superduper particular fault reason that it 403'd, it will just be logged to the access log
07:56<crimbox>actaully i think there is an error
07:56<crimbox> [Mon Oct 31 22:46:44 2011] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down PHP Deprecated: Comments starting with '#' are deprecated in /etc/php5/apache2/conf.d/mcrypt.ini on line 1 in Unknown on line 0 [Mon Oct 31 22:46:45 2011] [notice] Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.2-1ubuntu4.10 with Suhosin-Patch mod_ssl/2.2.14 OpenSSL/0.9.8k configured -- re$
07:57<AlexC_>you can ignore that for now
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07:59<crimbox>there is no /var/log/apache2/vhosts
08:02<crimbox>also, i tried changing the phpmyadmin alias to something else and that has no effect..
08:02<rnowak>did you reload the apache configuration?
08:02<crimbox>i restarted it
08:05<crimbox>gah! im going to bed
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09:04<linbot>New news from forums: [ Poll ] New StackScript for FreePBXv3 and FreeSWITCH deployment in General Discussion <>
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09:43<lastnode>i just removed my only linode from my account
09:43<lastnode>can i assume i wont be billed for it hereafter
09:43<lastnode>or do i have to cancel my linode account as well?
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09:45<dominikh>you don't have to, no.
09:45<dominikh>you get billed per linode, not for having an account.
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09:50<lastnode>thanks dominikh
09:50<lastnode>is there a way for me to remove a credit card
09:50<lastnode>frommy acct
09:51<AlexC_>lastnode: why don't you just submit a ticket and ask them to remove your account? Sounds like you don't want any trace of you ever existing, so that would be the best step
09:52<lastnode>no, id actually like to keep my linode account in case i ever want a box for personal use
09:52<lastnode>but thecredit card on file is not mine
09:52<lastnode>i was running somethingfor someobody else
09:52<lastnode>so i dont want it to be charged even accindetally
09:52<lastnode>(if i come back ina few months and add a linode, having forgotten about the card)
09:52<lastnode>id just like it gone
09:52<AlexC_>you could update the details to your card, I don't belive you can remove the details
09:52<dominikh>and updating won't work with bogus information
09:52<dominikh>so, better create a ticket
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10:13<Yaakov>caker: PING
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10:27<efudd>Your account has been active since October 27, 2003
10:27<efudd>— Your account has been canceled. Thank you for your business. —
10:27<efudd> /wave
10:30<linbot>New news from forums: Selective access to billing information? in General Discussion <> || Reducing Disk IO rate in Performance and Tuning <>
10:31<Yaakov>efudd: Leaving?
10:32<Yaakov>efudd: :(
10:32<efudd>"so long and thanks for al the fish"
10:32<efudd>moved the node local to me, basically.
10:33<efudd>on my static/25mbit cable now
10:33<Yaakov>Not off-planet?
10:33<efudd>Aye. still no open nodes on venus.
10:33<Yaakov>Well, if your node was in Dallas I guess you could say you are moving off-Planet.
10:33<efudd>=] ha ha.
10:34<Yaakov>Well, I hope your local node is every bit as hoopy as your Linode 'node.
10:34*efudd nods
10:34<efudd>saving $50/month=good tho.
10:34<Yaakov>Yes, I must say that's a lot of cheetos.
10:35<Yaakov>Or, a couple of Starbucks a week!
10:37<randallman>efudd, really? You're leaving
10:38<randallman>*sniff* I'll never see you again... err wait, nevermind :0
10:38<efudd>:) :)
10:40<swaj>we lost our skipper in St. Louis. Tony La Russa is retiring. Had a feeling he would.
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11:12<Jovan>Anyone from Linode sales team here?
11:13<@caker>hello -- what's up?
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11:43<eagles0513875>hey guys :)
11:44<eagles0513875>i have a site that im not sure hwo much traffic bandwidth ill need
11:44<eagles0513875>is there a tool that will let one know when they get close to their monthly bandwidth cap so they can upgrade to avoid any bandwidth overage fees?
11:45<Nivex>eagles0513875: you can see that information in the manager, and I believe it's exposed through the API as well
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11:45<eagles0513875>Nivex: ok :)
11:45<eagles0513875>considering getting the starter level linode for a website :)
11:46<eagles0513875>just not sure how much traffic it will get
11:46<swaj>yes, there are thresholds that you can set in linode manager. Once you go over a certain percentage (that you can set) you'll get an email notification from Linode alerting you.
11:46<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Install Kloxo on CentOS 5 <>
11:46<Reith>can't call my card holder... seams my account will be banned soon :(
11:46<eagles0513875>Reith: arent you the card holder?
11:47<Reith>eagles0513875: no. i asked someone to do it for me.
11:47<eagles0513875>uhoh thats not good thing to do :(
11:47<Reith>eagles0513875: credit card does not sell in Iran..
11:47<eagles0513875>does linode accept paypal or anything of that sort?
11:47<swaj>It's illegal for US businesses to conduct any form of trade in Iran.
11:48<swaj>There's an embargo/sanctions preventing it
11:48<Reith>eagles0513875: i asked my firend and he asked one of his familes (i thinks something like that)
11:48<eagles0513875>swaj: ahh right forgot bout that
11:48<eagles0513875>swaj: do you guys accept paypal
11:48<swaj>I'm not Linode staff :P
11:48<linbot>I read in the FAQ you don't take paypal. Do you take paypal?
11:48<swaj>but no, Linode does not accept paypal.
11:48<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
11:50<eagles0513875>no worries card works :D
11:51<eagles0513875>another question is it possible to pay yearly for a linode or linodes?
11:51*Reith is cryin ..
11:52<linbot>Nivex: "faq" could be
11:52<swaj>eagles0513875: yes. 1 year payment will get you a 10% discount, and a 2 year payment will get you 15%
11:53<eagles0513875>humm and all linodes have 4 vcpus from what i read on the site?
11:53<swaj>yeah, I believe so.
11:53<swaj>all the hosts I've been on expose 4
11:53<eagles0513875>ok :D
11:54<eagles0513875>really considering migrating to a linode or 2 once my year is up with godaddy
11:54<swaj>from what I understand, most host boxes have 8 physical cores, but they expose 4 of them to each node.
11:54<swaj>(i.e. 2 quad-core procs)
11:54<eagles0513875>in regards to xen virtualization though
11:54<eagles0513875>i have read that vcpus are the number of cpu cycles given to that particular guest
11:55<swaj>your node will see 4 procs.
11:55<eagles0513875>im not complaining actually thats very nice and decent
11:55<eagles0513875>swaj: what if you cluster 2 different linodes together
11:55<swaj>cluster in what way?
11:55<eagles0513875>does one end up wiht a combined bandwidth of both those linodes for the month
11:55<swaj>you mean like a webfarm or something?
11:55<swaj>all bandwidth is pooled over your entire account.
11:56<swaj>so if you have 2 512's, even in different D/C's -- you get 400 GB of monthly transfer, period.
11:56<eagles0513875>nice :)
11:56<eagles0513875>i would love to get my hands on a server swaj with an intel 10 core cpu wiht hyperthreading
11:57<swaj>also, incoming traffic is free
11:57<swaj>you're only charged for outgoing
11:57<eagles0513875>what bout internal traffic between clustered linodes
11:57<eagles0513875>i might have to talk my school into getting some linodes and setting up a cluster
11:57<swaj>if it's in the same DC and happens on the private LAN, it's free.
11:57<eagles0513875>swaj: should be a staff member :p
11:57<AlexC_>it'll be free over IPv6 as well (same DC)
11:57<eagles0513875>they looking for support staff to hire lol
11:58<swaj>you can request private IP addresses for your linodes for no charge (IPv4). IPv6 traffic is automatically detected and is free between nodes in the same DC
11:58<eagles0513875>mikegrb: you stuck on repeat :P
11:58<eagles0513875>ok so ipv6 connectivity is a go :D
11:58<swaj>in 3 DC's it's native
11:58<swaj>the other 3 are in testing
11:58<eagles0513875>outa curiosity what Dc' company is linode renting their servers from?
11:58<eagles0513875>or do they setup their own dc's from scratch
11:59<swaj>linode doesn't rent servers, they are custom built (from what I understand) -- they co-locate with various data centers around the world. You can see who and where, here:
12:00*eagles0513875 wonders if linode would be interested in setting up their own DC here in malta
12:00<eagles0513875>colocation here is way too expensive and the DC where i worked at charged an arm and a leg to colocate even rent a dedicated server from em
12:00*eagles0513875 thinks me might need to pull out a map
12:01<swaj>you'd probably have the best luck in London, if you're in malta, but maybe not. You can test pings/transfer speeds :P
12:02<swaj>test pings/downloads and see who's best for you
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12:05<eagles0513875>ya malta would be best
12:06<eagles0513875>but i wonder if linode itself would be interested in opening up its own DC here in malta
12:06<AlexC_>eagles0513875: considering Linode doesn't have any DC ... doubtful
12:07<eagles0513875>as well for jobs with linode if one gets hired are the jobs that one can work from home?
12:07<eagles0513875>or one would need to relocate
12:07<@Praefectus>the ad says all jobs are located in Galloway, NJ
12:08<eagles0513875>blarg :(
12:08<eagles0513875>AlexC_: i think malta would be great for linode to get into northern africa as its a major stepping stone into libya and tunisia and even egypt
12:08<eagles0513875>not to mention gigantic tax incentives here in malta
12:08<eagles0513875>for foreign companies
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12:21<nambew>Hi, I currently have debian kernel, if I want to update, I need to install linux-image-2.6-686, linux-image-2.6-xen-686 or linux-image-2.6.32-5-686???
12:23<hawk>What? no...
12:23<hawk>Doing so would require you to use pv-grub. If you just want a newer kernel, switch to "latest 3.0" or whatever the option is in the Linode manager.
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12:26<nambew>I just need to edit the profile and select a different kernel?
12:26<hawk>nambew: And reboot
12:27<nambew>Ok thanks
12:28<npmr>oh, you
12:28<@llama>Oh me
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12:31<jarrod322>shame you guys are so hard on getting an extra ip
12:31<jarrod322>i wanted an extra one for seperation of company activity well.. just seperating my own domains from my customers who i host on the same linode
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12:31<jarrod322>but was declined because not technical requirement
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12:32<jarrod322>you guys = official linode ;p
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12:33<eagles0513875>what version is linode running with a kernel that ancient
12:33<eagles0513875>is that lenny?
12:33<eagles0513875>the 2.6.18 kernel
12:33<markon>I've already reported the issue, but I've not solved. Today my linode is working sluggishly (since ... 14:00). Can you help me?
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12:34<boba>eagles0513875: What?
12:34<eagles0513875>debian kernel <--- what version of debina
12:35<boba>With Linode, the version of OS is independent of the version of the kernel
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12:36<boba>If I were to deploy a new Linode with Debian Squeeze today, it would be running the 3.0.4 kernel. If I were to deploy a new Linode with Debian Lenny today, it would also be running the 3.0.4 kernel
12:37<eagles0513875>how does that work
12:37<eagles0513875>wait wouldnt the vps's
12:37<eagles0513875>have the same kernel version as the host kernel?
12:37<EugeneKay>The kernel comes from Xen, not the VPS
12:38<EugeneKay>You ought to run a kernel that's in the same versionish as your distro is expecting, but nothing is stopping you from running a newer one
12:38<EugeneKay>Aside from distro breaking
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12:38<craven22> i have weekly backups from linode but in the 'backups' tab im not quite sure how to access the images, i want download the images to my computer, do you know how?
12:39<eagles0513875>as well does linode have an affiliate or resellers pacakge when it comes to vps's
12:39<eagles0513875>or nothing of that sort?
12:40<EugeneKay>eagles0513875 - Referral code for your account
12:40<eagles0513875>i dont have an account yet
12:40<eagles0513875>i was just wondering
12:40<eagles0513875>i have my own business and i was wondering if i bring in clients if i would get a comission or anything on any new clients etc
12:40<EugeneKay>You get a $20 credit towards your account if they stay a customer for 3 months
12:41<EugeneKay>Nothing affiliate/reseller I've ever seen
12:42<eagles0513875>ok what if i buy the vps's myself for the clients and add them to my cluster is it possible to put then on my site powered by linode?
12:42<eagles0513875>or something of that nature
12:43<EugeneKay>Not sure what you mean. A clickthrough icon pointing to your referral link?
12:43<eagles0513875>no no
12:43<eagles0513875>lets say on my page i list the linode packages that you have on the linode site on my site and i get a client that wants to buy one
12:44<eagles0513875>could i say on my site all vps's powered by linode
12:44<EugeneKay>You can say whatever you like, as long as you're not being slanderous :-p
12:44<eagles0513875>im honestly falling in love with linode
12:44<JshWright>you don't even have to do that if you don't want to
12:45<eagles0513875>waht do you mean
12:45<JshWright>you can resell all you want, with the understanding that _you_ are the one on the hock for the ToS
12:45<EugeneKay>Traditional "reselling" lets the customer go through a form on your site, but they're actually signing up with the hosting provider
12:45<EugeneKay>sub-leasing, sorta
12:46<JshWright>in fact, Linode would probably prefer that... that way if you suck at customer service, it doesn't run the risk of confusing customers whose fault that is ;)
12:46<eagles0513875>no i do not suck at customer service hehe
12:46<eagles0513875>does linode support windows on the vps's
12:46<eagles0513875>lets say a client has windows licenses and wants to run windows on a linode is that possible
12:47<EugeneKay>Negatory. LINux nODE
12:47<EugeneKay>You can feel free to experiment with running Windows.... it is just Xen. Good luck, you'll need it.
12:49<EugeneKay>I wish there was a VMware VPS company that worked on an a la carte model, without being $1000/mo for a single vm
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12:49<eagles0513875>you never know EugeneKay something that linode could branch into :D
12:50<eagles0513875>are the linodes lvm based guests?
12:50<EugeneKay>Doubtful. VMware licenses are $2500 per host.
12:50<eagles0513875>or image based
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12:50<EugeneKay>No clues, my guess is LVM
12:50<EugeneKay>Given the snapshot thing
12:50<eagles0513875>ubuntu has just brought back xen in regards to supporting it
12:50<eagles0513875>as they have some really kool cloud computing features
12:50<eagles0513875>in regards to guest provisioning that works with xen
12:51<eagles0513875>that i think linode should look into
12:51<eagles0513875>they could offer more services
12:51<EugeneKay>Feature exists: StackScripts.
12:51<eagles0513875>hehe :D
12:51<eagles0513875>nice to see xen though integrated into the mainstream kernel
12:52<tolle>Is it?
12:52<EugeneKay>Oy. Should I rebuild my SL6 x64 linode as CentOS 6 x32? Or try a SL6 x32 migration again....
12:52<tolle>Must be somewhat recent?
12:52<EugeneKay>Decisions, decisions.
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12:53<eagles0513875>tolle: ya it is
12:53<eagles0513875>wouldnt be suprised if it was integrated into 3.0 kernel stack upstream
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12:55<linbot>New news from forums: How to get better performances on my forum? in Performance and Tuning <>
12:58<jasonrsmith>anyone know why signing in would give a white page of death but as long as you are not signed in your fine?
12:59<tolle>To what?
12:59<jasonrsmith>oh sorry
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12:59<jasonrsmith>wrong irc
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13:07<Yaakov>This is not the IRC you are looking for...
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13:08<eagles0513875>tardy to the party Yaakov
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13:09<Yaakov>It's just bad lag.
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13:27<Yaakov>No, really.
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14:34<gadams>Yaakov: :-D
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15:40<jasonrsmith>i am using drupal and it appears my site is using a lot of memory
15:41<jasonrsmith>i used the linode suggested settings but I am still unsing 500 of the 750 i have available
15:42<npmr>jasonrsmith, is the memory usage causing other issues?
15:43<jasonrsmith>well if i do any sort of changes to the site, like admin stuff through drupal memory usage then spikes
15:43<npmr>is it a temporary spike?
15:44<jasonrsmith>no it hangs
15:44<jasonrsmith>sometimes i have to start and restart apache
15:44<jasonrsmith>stop and restart
15:45<npmr>during those hangs, what does vmstat say the system is busy doing?
15:45<jasonrsmith>i tweaked it down to the basic linode setting and the site stays up but if I do anything on the bacnkend it can give me a 500 server error
15:46<jasonrsmith>i am not familair with vmstat
15:47<jasonrsmith>free -m says memory goes down as low as 8
15:47<npmr>that's normal
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15:48<npmr>"free" memory on a linux system is exceedingly rare, since the kernel with try to proactively cache as much as it can
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15:48<npmr>things like the block cache can be reallocated on the fly (since it's just a cache) if an application needs more heap
15:49<jasonrsmith>I always heard that ebfore, I have been on linux for years, the problem is that is the only thing I can see happening when the site slows down and becomes unresponsive
15:49<jasonrsmith>its my only indicator
15:49<jasonrsmith>even the cli is slow to respond
15:49<jasonrsmith>i guess i have no followed cpu usage
15:49<npmr>so the whole system is slow, not just drupal?
15:50<jasonrsmith>yeah the whole thing
15:50<npmr>yeah, gather some more information using vmstat
15:50<npmr>i usually do "vmstat 1"
15:50<jasonrsmith>when it gets like that i jump into ssh to see whats going on and it is slowing down to a crawl
15:51<npmr>that's a good habit
15:51<jasonrsmith>was that sarcasm?
15:51<npmr>but it's critical to gather the right information
15:51<npmr>i'm typically not sarcastic
15:51<npmr>the internet has been hard for me :)
15:51<jasonrsmith>on us all
15:52<npmr>anyway, vmstat is a broad-spectrum tool
15:52<kyhwana>dstat is a much nicer version of vmstat
15:52<jasonrsmith>Linode techs keep telling me I am OOMing
15:52<npmr>it'll help you understand whether the system is io or cpu bound
15:52<npmr>and you can see some detail about those states
15:53<npmr>if the system is OOMing, then in those hangs, vmstat will probably show you that the system is thrashing swap
15:54<npmr>in this state, the "si" and "so" columns have persistently high vlues
15:54<npmr>(si = swap in, so = swap out)
15:55<jasonrsmith>well yeah thats what the techs were telling me
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15:56<jasonrsmith>swapping was real high
15:56<jasonrsmith>maybe I should just upgrade?
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16:06<kyhwana>Well, try to figure out why your memory usage was so high first, would probably be a good ide
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16:25<randallman>Hey, if I need a cross-customer clone - would a ticket from both customers be adequate?
16:25<randallman>gonna be like 12 to 14 machines
16:25<randallman>ranging from 512 to 8192
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16:30<EugeneKay>I'm gonna say "yes"
16:30<EugeneKay>And remember to include customer/machine ID #s in both tickets, so they can cross-check it
16:31<hawk>randallman: Iirc, I have seen that mentioned as the procedure for doing that.
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16:54<randallman>hawk, thanks
16:57<@Praefectus>randallman: if you need to clone:
16:57<@Praefectus>but if you want to do a straight transfer, then a ticket from each account
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17:10<Reith>any linode staff from sale can help me?
17:11<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
17:11<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
17:14<Reith>my linode account is going closed because linode asked credit card verification and who bought it for me made no action.
17:14<Reith>my question is wheter 7 day money back applies in such cases?
17:15<bd_>I'm not staff, but I'd assume that if they can't get verification they'd have trouble charging the card in the first place...?
17:15<bd_>also why not get a prepaid visa or something?
17:15<Reith>bd_: such thing are not easy to access in countries like Iran
17:16<bd_>oh :/
17:19<Reith>bd_: i think they can transfer money back to accout paid bill..
17:20<bd_>probably, I'm just saying, it could be that they never charged it in the first place. But anyway, try asking in the ticket where they asked for verification
17:20<KingTarquin>Reith: It might be worth checking with your bank, to see if they've stopped any transactions on the card, because when I first started paying for hosting overseas (out of the UK), my bank stopped the transactions at first, but a quick phone call sorted it out.
17:21<Reith>KingTarquin: thanks.. unfortually i have no direct access to card holder..
17:22<KingTarquin>Umm, okay.
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17:24<swaj>Reith: the real problem here is that Linode cannot legally sell you a linode, and you sort of circumvented that process. I'd be doubtful thay anyone is going to jump over fences to help you. Sorry man :/
17:24<swaj>Sanctions suck :(
17:24<Reith>swaj: thanks :) it happened for me several times.
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17:26<kyhwana>Reith: I'd say your only hope is to get in contact with the card holder
17:27<Reith>kyhwana: hmm... thanks.. so i should wait
17:27<kyhwana>well, try and get int contact with them, otherwise your linode will get closed
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17:43<linbot>New news from forums: Integrating Spamassassin in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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17:46<MattNMM>Howdy. I'm looking for some guidance on using DNSManager for configuring subdomains. I need something along the lines of
17:47<MattNMM>where A will be associated with a linode IP
17:47<kyhwana>MattNMM: er, just add a "a.b.c" record for your domain?
17:47<MattNMM>I thought you had to make zones for each? Wasn't sure.
17:47<EugeneKay>Nope. It Just Works (tm).
17:47<EugeneKay>A.B.C is a valid record name. Only difference is there's no SOA for
17:47<EugeneKay>(or NS)
17:47<kyhwana>I don't think you need to, the dns manager takes care of it for you
17:47<MattNMM>see, should have tried the obvious thing.
17:48<MattNMM>Ok. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
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17:56<bob2>note, you do need a zone for wildcards for some reason
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18:00<EugeneKay>Because BIND is insane.
18:09<EugeneKay>I would be glad that they're tossing out BIND9 wholesale for v10... but then I remember that ISC has rewritten it twice already, and it is STILL nuts.
18:10<bob2>bind does wildcards not-at-origin just fine
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18:26<gerryvdm_>anyone here installed php-fpm on debian?
18:27<bob2>didn't make it in squeeze so no
18:27<gerryvdm_>well was just reading guides on using dotdeb, but kinda new to all this so not sure how reliable that is
18:28<gadams>If I deploy a linode on my account, can I have it transferred to a different account ?
18:28<bob2>belive you can, via a ticket
18:28<@caker>gadams: yes, ticket on both sides
18:28<gadams><3 you all
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18:38<Jarred>hi all
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18:38<Jarred>I'm trying to pay for Linode's $20/month 512mb box
18:38<Jarred>and my credit card isn't going through - It's a Wells Fargo visa card
18:38<Jarred>There's like $30 in the account
18:39<bob2>Jarred, likely better off emailing support at
18:41<kyhwana>also check that your bank/cc dudes aren't blocking it
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18:44<kyhwana>Hmm, new google reader sucks ass
18:44<@caker>Jarred: we're not made aware why the card was declined other than it was 'declined' -- call your bank
18:46<Yaakov>caker: PING
18:46<@caker>Yaakov: hello!
18:47<devilspgd>kyhwana: Agreed... Google's latest fetish for displaying a lot less information at once needs to end.
18:48<bob2>so much whitespace :/
18:48<bob2>i hate the new google theme
18:48<bob2>and keybindings in new google reader are flakier
18:49<devilspgd>I do most of my reading from my iPad anyway, so I'm not that stressed out... But it seems like a fairly major step backward in usability
18:52<kyhwana>Might have to switch back to thunderbird :|
18:52*ajmitch hasn't seen the new theme, is it a bit useless?
18:53<devilspgd>ajmitch: It's not bad, just more whitespace between items. A lot more.
18:53<ajmitch>sounds annoying
18:54<devilspgd>If you read everything in order, you probably won't notice it too much... But if you skim some folders/feeds and only read a few items here and there, it's annoying.
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18:55<kyhwana>and way less colour and the shadow under the "subscribe" row is annoying and they've scrunched the feed text up
18:56<bob2>the shadow is cheesey-as
18:56<bob2>and the unread count text colour has terrible contrast
18:56<devilspgd>On the Gmail side, it's started to grow on me... But Gmail has a theme to fix the whitespace.
18:56<bob2>yes, at least with gmail i can use something less ugly
18:57<tolle>To bad gmails interface fucking blows at threaded mail
18:57<devilspgd>Give it a few hours, someone will probably put together a Chrome plug-in to fix it.
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18:58<bob2>tolle, except that it works great when emailing normals
18:58<bob2>for lists with sensible people it is way worse than mutt or gnus
18:58<devilspgd>tolle: It's pretty nice for person-to-person stuff, just fails miserably on mailing lists and more "advanced" stuff
18:59<tolle>devilspgd: Yeah, but I use mailing lists quite a lot.
18:59<devilspgd>That's why god invented Thunderbird
18:59<KingTarquin>And smited those that use Outlook.
19:00<EugeneKay>Thunderbird has fallen behind with a lot of functionality. SyncKolab kinda works for contact sync, but not really.
19:00<tolle>Freaking contacts... Thats always the biggest hassle with everything
19:00<jg>asia linodes? that's new
19:00<devilspgd>If you use Google, Zindus does an okay job of contact synchronization... Haven't found a decent SyncML or ActiveSync client for TB though
19:00<kyhwana>jg: not really.. you're way behind in internet time
19:01<tolle>devilspgd: theres also the google contacts addon
19:01<EugeneKay>My personal email is Google hosted, but my company and silly-domain ones are self-hosted on Postfix+Dovecot. Zimbra is too heavyweight for me.
19:02<bob2>nothing to do with syncml is very good
19:02<bob2>why can't we have nice (contact-sync) things
19:02<devilspgd>tolle: Yeah, but I had a ton of issues with that one, always seemed to lose or duplicate data.
19:02<EugeneKay>SyncKolab works pretty good, but the extension needs a lot of polish, and the Android app for it is just crap
19:02<tolle>Ah I havn't noticed.
19:02<tolle>But yeah, freaking contact syncing is a pita
19:02<devilspgd>I suspect it has to do with the way I use TB... Mostly that I can sometimes go months without opening it
19:02<bob2>calendarserver has a CardDav thing now
19:03<bob2>but client support for that is even worse than for syncml
19:03<bob2>which is astonishing, really
19:03<tolle>Theres 9000 standards, no one works good enough
19:03<tolle>It should be a fairly freaking brain dead thing
19:03<bob2>99 problems but working contact sync with free software ain't one
19:04<devilspgd>Sdaly, ActiveSync is about it for working contact syncs, and it's not free in any sense
19:04<EugeneKay>SK has the best theory behind it, IMO - use IMAP messages and a Contacts/ folder
19:04<bob2>well, syncing is hard, i'll grant that
19:04<bob2>but it is amazing that there's not one actual good thing
19:04<EugeneKay>Syncing is easy if you just read/write to the server instead
19:04<EugeneKay>But nooooo, everybody wants to do it decentralized
19:04<tolle>And that makes no sense. Since the goddamned emails are centralized.
19:05<devilspgd>I like the IMAP messages idea, but that doesn't solve the problem of standardizing the data format... SyncML worked well enough too until they forgot to standardize the data formats.
19:05<bob2>imap doesn't help
19:05<tolle>Just wait, someone will make another standard/protocol
19:05<EugeneKay>vcf is pretty standardized, but Kolab has gone and gotten its own standard for version 2....
19:05<bob2>unless you're demanding transactions and always-on-internet
19:05<tolle>And then we'll have yet another standard that no one uses and that doesnt work
19:06<EugeneKay>At least there's still HTTP
19:06<bob2>ha ha ha
19:06<devilspgd>As usual has nailed it.
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19:07<devilspgd>All that being said, Google seems to bridge the gap better than anyone else... I use Google for Contacts without even using Google Mail (on an Apps domain) since it's the only thing that all of my software and toys can talk to
19:07<tolle>I'm just waiting for some plugin to accidently remove all my contacts.
19:08<tolle>devilspgd: even if shit doesnt support google contacts, you can use it as a exchange thingie to get the crap to sync
19:08<devilspgd>tolle: Exactly... ActiveSync handles the details for most of my devices.
19:08<EugeneKay>Do you need to have a gmail account to use Google Cotnacts, or just a Google account?
19:09<devilspgd>EugeneKay: I think just a Google account... Try
19:09<EugeneKay>Hm.... that could actually work for me.
19:09<devilspgd>It works on my Google Apps account which has Mail disabled entirely
19:10<tolle>The web ui is rather usefull when you are to drunk to add people on your phone as well
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19:10<tolle>goobook or whatever it is called can be used for mutt
19:11<EugeneKay>Hell, I think I'll abandon Kolab entirely in favor of just using GOogle.
19:11<devilspgd>My only real complaint about Google's Contacts is that phone numbers aren't standardized so I have a mess of formats.
19:11<devilspgd>Not a big deal when I'm domestic, but it's annoying when travelling
19:11<EugeneKay>I standardize them when I put them in
19:11<tolle>Ah, I fix that shit manually
19:12<devilspgd>I fix it when I see it, but I have a couple tools that input data for me and I sometimes forget to fix it
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19:14<tolle>People tend to go full retard when they add things like phone numbers on facebook as well.
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19:15<devilspgd>Facebook doesn't help either since it doesn't format numbers properly
19:15<devilspgd>It formats US and Canadian numbers differently for example, despite both being +1
19:16<EugeneKay>I use +1 (234) 567-9335 format
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19:16<devilspgd>Unfortunately the () thing means something different in some countries...
19:17<tolle>I just do +4670423129 or whatever it might be.
19:17<devilspgd>I've switched to +1-234-555-9335 format now, knowing that it's technically incorrect, should be +1.234-555-9335.
19:17<EugeneKay>I know, but habit dies hard
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19:18<EugeneKay>I wish we could all jsut use SIP addresses! (I need to work on my Asterisk server sometime...)
19:18<tolle>Not having the country code can be fun if you travel some.
19:18<tolle>It can lead to some funny calls
19:19<EugeneKay>I avoid travel, and assume that no-country-code == US and A
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19:19<devilspgd>It's not about "assuming" anything, but rather, it's about your phone not being able to dial when you do travel
19:20<devilspgd>Be it missing the leading 1 and not working when you roam on another carrier, or another country's system assuming something totally different
19:21<EugeneKay>Ah yeah. That can be an issue
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19:21<tolle>You can never be to precise!
19:22<Jarred>I contacted Wells Fargo regarding my credit card and they said all is well
19:22<Jarred>I keep getting "We're sorry, but the transaction failed. "
19:23<Jarred>when I try to sign up for the 512mb box
19:23<kyhwana>Jarred: try the credit card company next then
19:23<Jarred>I did
19:23<Jarred>Wells Fargo is the credit company
19:23<Jarred>It's Vsia
19:24<Jarred>but it's maintained by Wells Fargo
19:24<@caker>Jarred: PM?
19:24<kyhwana>Try Visa then.. you need to know why it failed.. or maybe try again
19:25<devilspgd>Visa really can't do much, it's between the merchant and the bank
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19:26<@caker>Jarred: check your PM (you should see a box above the chat window with my name or something)
19:30<Jarred>caker replied
19:31<Jarred>I'm fairly close to just going with prgmr
19:32<bob2>note that is a pretty different service
19:32<Jarred>They both are VPS hosting, no?
19:33<Jarred>prgmr is much cheaper, and has a slightly worse uptime
19:33<bob2>but prgmr has much worse performance
19:34<bob2>less features
19:34<bob2>requires paypal
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19:34<Jarred>I don't need much
19:34<Jarred>Ram and CPU usage are my biggest concerns, but I don't need anything fancy
19:35<bob2>prgrm gives you one core
19:35<bob2>linode 4
19:36<bob2>model name : Quad-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2347 HE
19:36<bob2>^ prgrmr
19:36<bob2>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz
19:36<bob2>^ linode
19:38<jg>hm. i wonder why you don't take paypal, though
19:38<jg>always found that quite odd.
19:38<bob2>why bother? fees suck, fraud abounds
19:38<chesty>paypal sucks for merchants
19:39*jg thought it was slightly safer.
19:39<kyhwana>paypal sucks, scammers use it, fee's, etc
19:39<bob2>who uses paypal instead of a CC?
19:39<jg>bob2: i do!
19:39<jg>hm. for avoiding scammers, perhaps like, wait 12 hours or so before giving the vps?
19:39<dcraig>if someone takes paypal, I instantly assume they're sort of a fly-by-night operation
19:39<jg>or require manual confirmation from someone?
19:39<devilspgd>The bigger question is: Who uses PayPal and doesn't have something with a Visa/MC/etc logo on it?
19:39<chesty>try 45 days, or whatever paypal gives the buyer
19:40<jg>hm. that sucks.
19:40<jg>and the same doesn't apply to those CC companies?
19:40<linbot>I read in the FAQ you don't take paypal. Do you take paypal?
19:40<jg>chesty: Yes, I know they don't take paypal. I wanted to know the reasoning behind it, of course
19:40<chesty>CC companies are regulated
19:42<jg>mmm. interesting.
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19:43<bob2>cc will bone the merchant given the chance, too, but at least you can do some fraud checks yourself
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19:48<Gabtendo>How does OVH afford such cheap dedicated servers?
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19:48<tonyyarusso>An organization I work with runs all credit cards through PayPal - it's way easier than getting set up for CC processing some other way.
19:49<tolle>Gabtendo: Seems like they are located in shacks
19:49<bob2>dunno about US paypal, but for .au that's quite antisocial
19:49<tolle>atleast from some pictures of when a datacenter was built
19:49<bob2>since if you used your card with a paypal account, you have to pay via paypal
19:49<bob2>whereas if you haven't, you can just pay via the CC form
19:49<Gabtendo>tolle: but seriously
19:50<tonyyarusso>bob2: I'm not sure what you just said, frankly.
19:50<tolle>Discounts from buying in assloads of hardware?
19:51<Gabtendo>I wish linode had a cheaper option
19:51<Gabtendo>I just need a small quality VPS with good latency to my house to compliment my powerhouse in Europe >.>
19:51<devilspgd>Gabtendo: Would be nice, but you can't run tech support (or decent gear) dirt cheap
19:52<Gabtendo>devilspgd: no, I mean like, I only need 128 MB of RAM or so
19:52<tolle>Cheaper? heh, well you cant expect much from them then.
19:52<devilspgd>Gabtendo: Yes... But the fixed costs per VM don't scale down indefinitely
19:52<Gabtendo>devilspgd: yeah :P
19:53<Gabtendo>right now I'm splitting a dedicated in France with my friend
19:53<devilspgd>Dozens of $5/mo clients can crush you while less overall dollars worth of $20/mo clients can make for a stable business
19:55<bob2>also that's a) 4x the support and b) likely to be complainier
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19:58<swaj>as a vendor I'd much rather deal with a CC company than Paypal
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19:58<swaj>PayPal screws over merchants, hard (especially on chargebacks, which they make insanely easy). And their API blows, and it's super buggy
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19:59<swaj>at least with a real payment gateway/merchant account you have some recourse. You can prove the charge was legit and not be screwed out of the money.
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20:41<Obsidian|server>Love it when a spammer tries to post spam on
20:41<Obsidian|server>so amusing
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21:10<linbot>New news from forums: How an I change the parameterip_pkt_list_tot of iptables? in General Discussion <>
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21:49<JoeK>anybody need a 3com superstack 3 26 port 10/100/1000 managed switch? :#
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21:53<Nivex>how much?
21:53<JoeK>whats your offer? :P
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21:58<amitz>is linode charged per transaction or per percentage of value charged? I want to test something but don't want to unnecessarily burden linode :-p
22:00<@caker>both ... can always 'make a payment' if you want to load up on a positive balance
22:00<@caker>also: thanks for lookin out
22:00<Gabtendo>how many vcores does a Linode 512 get?
22:00<@caker>Gabtendo: 4
22:00<amitz>caker: np :-)
22:01<Gabtendo>I should be able to run a Source server on a Linode 512, right?
22:01<@caker>Gabtendo: absolutely
22:01<Gabtendo>caker: 24 players? no lag?
22:01<@caker>Gabtendo: no clue
22:01<Gabtendo>source isn't very resource-demanding, that should do it, right?
22:02<@caker>if that's the case, then yes
22:03<JoeK>my linode 512 runs a 30 person minecraft server
22:03<kyhwana>Gabtendo: one way to find out
22:03<JoeK>but then i woke up
22:03<Gabtendo>yeah, but the stats on that aren't realistic
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22:03<Gabtendo>kyhwana: I already cancelled a 1024, I'd feel bad cancelling again, I know the service quality, I'm just not sure if it runs good on just 512
22:04<kyhwana>Like I said.. ;)
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22:04*Gabtendo >.>s
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22:12<kyhwana>Hmm, when is linode going to start offering android nodes? ;)
22:14<Gabtendo>shutup mikegrb >.>
22:14<Gabtendo>caker: damn your quality servers
22:14<Gabtendo>caker: my wallet dislikes you
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22:16<Gabtendo>hey, I have a quick question about xen
22:16<Gabtendo>not related to linode, but, maybe you could answer
22:16<Gabtendo>if you put xen on a quadcore i7
22:17<Gabtendo>and split it into two xen instances to split the resources evenly
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22:17<Gabtendo>would each person have 4 hyperthreaded cores that over-exert themselves because they think they're full cores, or would it be 2 cores each and not utilize hyperthreading
22:17<Gabtendo>or is there some better way to do that?
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22:19<Solver>full core!
22:19<@caker>how long is a piece of string?
22:19<Gabtendo>dcraig: I mean, would it try to hyperthread more than it should because it thinks each of its 4 vcores is a full core
22:20<dcraig>and, like, catch on fire?
22:20<Solver>lp1 on fire
22:20<Gabtendo>caker: infinite?
22:20<Gabtendo>caker: it's always changing? It's a paradox because it doesn't have a length until we measure it and create one for it?
22:21<Gabtendo>all of the above?
22:21<Solver>Gabtendo: the system will use the resources it has availabile to it. if it sees 4 cores and it can use them it will. Yes this is a simplistic explanation
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22:21<Solver>many apps are not threaded so the cores may not be used (it all depends on the usage)
22:21<Gabtendo>Solver: in this situation would it be more efficient for the two users to have 4 vcores each or 2 cores each?
22:22<Solver>depends on what you are optimising more
22:22<Gabtendo>as in, give examples for each optimization example
22:22<Gabtendo>err, I worded that bad, but I hope you got my point
22:23<kyhwana>I think its all just shared anyway. If you load up a vcore on physical core 1 but there's no load on the "real core" on core 1, the vcore will get all the resources of physical core 1
22:23<Solver>if you are optimising for most efficient cpu utilisation then it may make sense to each user access to all of the resources (ie share them)
22:23<Solver>otherwise resources may go idle without need - but you may be optimising for something else
22:24<Solver>optimisation is a topic we could chat about all month
22:24<Gabtendo>I have a month
22:24<Solver>I don't :)
22:24<kyhwana>ugh, it is november now
22:25<Solver>if I had more spare time I'd spend more time writing
22:25<dcraig>a very unoptimized month :(
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22:32<EugeneKay>Trick or treat?
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22:50*SleePy steals candy from the bowl..
22:50<SleePy>Too old to trick or treat :(
22:50<Gabtendo>I couldn't figure out why my linode wasn't working.
22:50<Gabtendo>I hadn't booted it up yet.
22:51<Gabtendo>go away
22:51<Gabtendo>this new server
22:51<Gabtendo>is named
22:51<Gabtendo>(srb for short)
22:53<Gabtendo>either the linode or debian's servers are slow as hell atm
22:53<Gabtendo>I'm in Dallas
22:54<MJCS>my debian server is fine in dallas
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22:54<dcraig>Son, I cra in boom.
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23:10<JoeK>Gabtendo: ive had occasions where my newark linode picked japan for its repository
23:11<JoeK>altho that was my fault partially
23:11<JoeK>for setting the round robin away from north america :P
23:12<dwfreed>JoeK: JshWright is running an apt-cacher node in newark, iirc, so you might see faster speeds if you use that
23:12<dwfreed>You'd need a private IP to use it, though
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23:13<kyhwana>what about over v6?
23:13<dwfreed>I believe he has IPv6, so you could use that too
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23:14<Gabtendo>does linode ever plan to offer a gigabit connection?
23:15<JoeK>they do
23:15<JoeK>you are cappped outbound, but that was it
23:16<kyhwana>Gabtendo: 104,857,600 47.5M/s in 2.1s
23:16<kyhwana>They already do, as above
23:17<Gabtendo>what is the current outbound cap?
23:17<JoeK>you can ask to have it lifted
23:17<JoeK>its meant so you dont accidently burn your cap in a few hours if you bust something
23:17<Gabtendo>I'll request to have it removed after I setup an anti-DDoS measure on my server
23:18<Gabtendo>so I don't wake up to ops no more internet for a month
23:18<JoeK>because >50mbit can really eat you dry
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23:18<Gabtendo>I'm downloading TF2 files
23:18<Gabtendo>it's been downloading hat models for 5 minutes
23:18<kyhwana>Gabtendo: yet, it's Team Hatress
23:19<EugeneKay>I don't understand why the Server needs the stupid wireframes and graphics
23:19<Gabtendo>finished downloading the hats
23:19<EugeneKay>Should just need the collision data
23:19<EugeneKay>Stupid Valve
23:21<Gabtendo>in retrospect
23:21<Gabtendo>maybe I should have screened this download
23:21<SamT>TF2 in total is somewhere on the order of 15 gb
23:21<SamT>(the server daemon)
23:21<SamT>Prepare to be sitting there for some time
23:21<JoeK>inbound is not capped
23:21<JoeK>so :)
23:22<SamT>sure, but that doesn't mean it wont take an hour to download
23:22<JoeK>an hour is about right
23:22<JoeK>i downloaded a 18gb rar file in about an hour
23:22<Gabtendo>SamT: It's at like 78%?
23:22<SamT>It took 90 mins for my friend to download it
23:22<SamT>Wait, when did you start?
23:23<Gabtendo>20 minutes ago or so?
23:24<SamT>Nice, I am surprised Valve is giving you that much speed, they might have beefed up their set up for Halloween
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23:27<Gabtendo>I'm getting about 25 megabit from them
23:29<Gabtendo>SamT: the slowest thing is having to download all the individual tiny files
23:29<Gabtendo>I would be done by now
23:33<Gabtendo>so annoying
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23:57<Obsidian|server>TF2 in total is about 8GB actually
23:57*Obsidian|server had an issue with scp transmitting symlinks...
23:58<@caker>T MINUS 2 MINUTES
23:58<SleePy>should of compressed it
23:58<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.57876964, 0.81565666) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108368 of 137575 (π ≈ 3.150805015446120 - 0.009212361856327). http://π
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.94372703, 0.31570367) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108369 of 137576 (π ≈ 3.150811187997907 - 0.009218534408113). http://π
23:59<linbot>caker: 11:59 PM, October 31, 2011
23:59<kyhwana>It happens at :59, I believe
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