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---Logopened Sat Dec 03 00:00:03 2011
---Daychanged Sat Dec 03 2011
00:00<dwhite>:P
00:01<SnoFox>lulz
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00:31<Abel>OK
00:31<Abel>finally got memcached installed!
00:32<SnoFox>Might that have something to do with the netsplit? :p
00:35<avenj>yeah, thanks a lot!
00:35<avenj>:o
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02:29<Ecksley>Newb here. Is it better to use 'aptitude install' or 'apt-get install'
02:29<Ecksley>Is there a difference?
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02:30<SnoFox>Ecksley: One uses aptitude, the other uses apt.
02:30<SnoFox>(Not really. They both end up using dpkg, iirc.)
02:32<rnowak>choose one and stick to it;
02:32<rnowak>-;
02:33<Ecksley>SnoFox: Thanks. So I am ignorant. So is like the difference between Fedex and Ups. Same result. Different service?
02:33<SnoFox>I guess.
02:34<SnoFox>dpkg is Debian's package manger.
02:34<SnoFox>Apt and aptitude are front-ends.
02:36<Ecksley>SnoFox: Okay. I just saw the Linode documentation used apt -get, but this guy uses 'aptitude': http://michael.lustfield.net/content/dummies-guide-nginx
02:36<Ecksley>So I thought I'd see if it mattered which I used.
02:36<StevenK>Not really.
02:37<SnoFox>As far as I know, it doesn't.
02:37<Ecksley>You rock. Thanks!
02:37<grueblur>http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/
02:37<StevenK>It's mostly a matter of personal preference. The only real difference I know of is dependancy resolution.
02:38<rnowak>and if you just run `aptitude` you get a pretty(?) curses frontend, some people like that ;p
02:38<Ecksley>Sold!
02:39<SnoFox>I might have to start using aptitude.
02:40<SnoFox>Just got to remember not to spell "aptititude"
02:40<SnoFox>Too many tits. :p
02:40<SnoFox>(How could there be such a thing?)
02:40<rnowak>it'd go tits up
02:40<SnoFox>You know what would really sell me on aptitude?
02:40<SnoFox>Tits. Tits on the curses interface.
02:40<grueblur>ass?
02:40<SnoFox>grueblur: I guess.
02:41<SnoFox>Oh man. Terrible thoughts.
02:41<SnoFox>An entire aptitude porno. aptit, aptass ...
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03:33*eagles0513875 dances around anyone whose alive in here
03:33<grueblur>XFCE + netbook = win
03:34<SnoFox>Agreed.
03:34<eagles0513875>grueblur: ironically kde runs flawlessly on mine
03:34<eagles0513875>kubuntu does
03:34<grueblur>I even have some decent compiz multihead going on.
03:34<eagles0513875>their netbook remix is fucked up though
03:34<grueblur>I tried KDE for three seconds.
03:34<grueblur>It bounced and wiggled and made eyes at me like a french whore.
03:35<eagles0513875>i dont have desktop effects enabled at all
03:35<grueblur>I *want* gnome 3, but -- it can't figure out how to manage the canvas with my VGA ontop of LDVS.
03:36<grueblur>and, side-by-side > 2048, which is out-of-bounds for my N10 i915
03:36<grueblur>XFCE says, "OKAY"
03:37<grueblur>SnoFox: what distro?
03:37<SnoFox>What?
03:37<grueblur>what distro are you using?
03:37<SnoFox>Ubuntu out of pure laziness.
03:37<grueblur>nodnod
03:37<grueblur><- mint
03:37<SnoFox>I stopped using Mint after something happend.
03:37<SnoFox>Happened*
03:37<grueblur>which, is more or less the same, but -- without an upgrade path. :/
03:37<SnoFox>Yeah. :\
03:38<grueblur>I wish USB was fast enough to boot from.
03:38<grueblur>I mean -- you know.
03:39<grueblur>comfortably.
03:39<SnoFox>Heh.
03:40<SnoFox>Hm.
03:40<SnoFox>I'm actually extremely curious.
03:40<grueblur>SnoFox: Curious. . . Do you know of any desktop hacks that will allow me to run a webpage as a desktop background?
03:40<SnoFox>Are there any ops around?
03:40<@mikegrb>lulz
03:40<SnoFox>grueblur: Lol no. Never even thought about it.
03:40<grueblur>WUT?
03:40<SnoFox>But I suppose you can take Chrom(e|ium), full screen it, use Compiz to set it to no-focus/force-below.
03:40<SnoFox>Or something.
03:40<grueblur>oooo
03:41<SnoFox>mikegrb: Was that your script or are you here?
03:41<eagles0513875>grueblur: it is its i would say the closest you can get to solid state on a budget
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03:41<eagles0513875>using a persistent install on a usb pen drive
03:41<eagles0513875>the bottle neck then becomes the usb interface if its usb 1, 2 or now 3
03:41<grueblur>yeah, 2 is too slow for me.
03:41<foreverwondering>I think you can do that in Windoze. At least malware does it regularly
03:42<grueblur>Windows.
03:42<grueblur>God, I used to bleed MS blue so hard.
03:42<grueblur>2005, I snapped.
03:43<SnoFox>Okay, you know, I'm just gonna do it. And if the ops go NOOOOOoo then I'll take it down.
03:43<grueblur>SnoFox: what?
03:43*SnoFox is extremely curious.
03:43<grueblur>http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm
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03:44<SnoFox>It's not against -those- TOS, grueblur. :p
03:44<grueblur>Erm, there are others?
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03:45<grueblur>Like, unwritten geek-card laws?
03:45<SnoFox>Er.
03:45<SnoFox>When you put it like that...
03:45<grueblur>Oh, its killing me.
03:45<grueblur>What is it?
03:46<foreverwondering>Why SnoFox Why?
03:46<foreverwondering>read upthread
03:46<SnoFox>:>
03:46<grueblur>upthread?
03:46<SnoFox>Upthread in a channel.
03:46<SnoFox>That's new.
03:47<grueblur>upthread?
03:47<grueblur>thread fault in non-threaded area.
03:48<SnoFox>grueblur++
03:48<foreverwondering>eh, too used to forums these days. IRC is more fun
03:48<SnoFox>mikegrb: wat
03:48<SnoFox>12:48am hostname = 255.255.255.255 ;
03:48<SnoFox>Is it a bot?
03:49<eagles0513875>O_o
03:49<SnoFox>I don't really frequent OFTC so I'm unsure of how their services/bots/IRCd works
03:49<grueblur>o_O
03:49<eagles0513875>why is he using a multicast address
03:49<rnowak>.netop.oftc.net
03:49<grueblur>Oh, you want to join a bot.
03:49<SnoFox>rnowak: Yeah, but he's spoofing?
03:49<grueblur>amirite?
03:49<SnoFox>grueblur: Erm, I was just looking at mikegrb.
03:49<rnowak>SnoFox: sure is
03:49<SnoFox>because all I've ever seen him say is "lulz"
03:49<akerl>He's real
03:50<grueblur>He does it for the (. . .)
03:50<@mikegrb>lulz
03:50<foreverwondering>lol
03:50<@mikegrb>lulz
03:50<foreverwondering>lol
03:50<foreverwondering>bot
03:50<@mikegrb>lulz
03:50<grueblur>lol
03:50<grueblur>or trigger
03:50<grueblur>oooo
03:50<grueblur>host.
03:51<grueblur>Wherefor does it matter?
03:51<grueblur>Do you want to make a bot that says 'lol' every time someone says, 'lulz'? Because, I think that would be bad.
03:52<grueblur>Don't cross the streams, SnoFox.
03:54<SnoFox>grueblur: No, no. I'm not making a bot that responds to any channel commands.
03:54<SnoFox>Which is why I'm just "doing it anyway"
03:54<SnoFox>:p
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03:54<grueblur>Just as long as it doesn't say anything -- I don't mind being logged.
03:55<SnoFox>It doesn't even log, per-say.
03:55<grueblur>*per se
03:55<eagles0513875>I LLOVE LINODE :D
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03:55<akerl>grueblur: That's good, since you're being logged all over the place already...
03:55<grueblur>^^^
03:55<SnoFox>Thanks for the correction, grueblur. :p
03:56<grueblur>SnoFox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4OPr_QxoFg
03:57<@mikegrb>lulz
03:57<SnoFox>LOL grueblur.
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03:58<SnoFox>And now it goes silent... :<
03:58<SnoFox>Every time.
03:58<SnoFox>Toast. I'm going to go get some toast.
03:59<grueblur>Good plan.
03:59<grueblur>When in doubt, make toast.
03:59<SnoFox>grueblur: Of course. :p
03:59<grueblur>When in toast, toast toast.
03:59<@mikegrb>lulz
03:59<SnoFox>lol
03:59<grueblur>listen to some art bell coast to coast; eating toast.
04:00<grueblur>This one is pretty good.
04:00<grueblur>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=dsboBHlzwcs
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04:08<Ecksley>Does an Nginx config file have to go in both /etc/nginx/sites-available and /etc/nginx/sites-enabled?
04:08<SnoFox>Only -enabled.
04:09<grueblur>nginx > Apache?
04:09<Ecksley>SnoFox: Thanks. Does it matter what it is called?
04:09<SnoFox>yes grueblur.
04:09<grueblur>Why?
04:09<SnoFox>Ecksley: Not really, as long as Nginx is being told to include it.
04:10<Ecksley>SnoFox: Where would I do that?
04:10<SnoFox>http://p.ext3.net/164
04:10<SnoFox>Maybe that'll help
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04:16<SnoFox>You good, Ecksley?
04:16<rnowak>it should go in -available, and be symlinked to -enabled if you now want to use that folder structure
04:17<Ecksley>SnoFox: Nah. Sorry I am trying to make sense of this
04:17<SnoFox>Basically, name the file whatever you want, put it in sites-enabled, and make sure in nginx.conf you have: include sites-enabled/file.conf
04:17<SnoFox>What rnowak says is likely the "right way" but it's easier to ignore that.
04:18<SnoFox>And honestly, I don't see the point for personal sites.
04:18<rnowak>if he is using that structure, something probably set it up for him, and it is probably already including sites-enabled/*
04:19<SnoFox>Is "he" me?
04:19<Ecksley>I think it is me
04:19<rnowak>it would be Ecksley
04:19<Ecksley>Yes, it already has the include /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/*;
04:20<SnoFox>Then just pop whatever files into sites-available and symlink them into sites-enabled, or just put the actual file in.
04:21<Ecksley>So.... What is symlinking?
04:21<rnowak>symbolic links; a link that points at another path
04:22<Ecksley>*Googling*
04:22<rnowak>ln -s source_file link_name
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04:24<Ecksley>Sort of like this default alias I see in the enabled folder I guess.
04:24<SnoFox>Exactly.
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04:24<crimbox2>gdf
04:24<crimbox2>g
04:24<SnoFox>My default nginx install on a different server...
04:24<SnoFox>[josh@void ~]$ ls -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled [ 1:24AM]
04:25<SnoFox>total 0
04:25<SnoFox>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Aug 26 22:25 default -> /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
04:25<SnoFox>That's what you have. /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/default symlinked to /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
04:25<crimbox2>this chat is stuffed up
04:26<crimbox2>is anyone else experience extremely slow speeds on their linode?
04:26<SnoFox>crimbox2: No issues here.
04:26<SnoFox>But then again, I'm just pushing text out.
04:26<SnoFox>Which datacenter, crimbox2?
04:26<crimbox2>is there a way to tell whether its me or them?
04:26<crimbox2>asia pacific
04:26<SnoFox>crimbox2: Uh, download a 100MB test file from a different site? :)
04:27<rnowak>!mtr
04:27<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
04:27<SnoFox>Oh, mtr too.
04:27<SnoFox>I don't see how that would be able to detect actual speed changes, actually, rnowak.
04:28<rnowak>speed is ambiguous
04:28<SnoFox>True.
04:28<crimbox2>download speed: 7.9Mbs; upload: 0.61Mbs
04:28<crimbox2>so its not me then
04:28<rnowak>I am not a mind reader
04:28<SnoFox>8Mbps is slow?
04:28<rnowak>crimbox2: how are you experiencing the slowness?
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04:28<crimbox2>im donwloading at 7Mbs
04:29<crimbox2>im downloading at 7Mbs
04:29<crimbox2>sdf
04:29<rnowak>ok?
04:29<crimbox2>test test
04:30<SnoFox>nopenopenope
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04:31<crimbox3>im downloading at 7Mbs so its not me
04:31<rnowak>09:28:43 rnowak: crimbox2: how are you experiencing the slowness?
04:31<crimbox3>how? i cant upload any files. i cant load pages...
04:32<rnowak>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cant
04:32<rnowak>So what have you done to diagnose the problem?
04:32<crimbox3>what can i do?
04:33<SnoFox>Hahaha, rnowak.
04:33<crimbox3>ive restart apache
04:33<rnowak>So you can SSH in fine?
04:35<crimbox3>just tried ssh'ing. typed ls and now its frozen...
04:35<rnowak>you might be ooming; run top when you can
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04:36<crimbox3>i can log in but then it freezes
04:37<rnowak>see if you can fire off `free -m` before it does
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04:37<SnoFox>rnowak: Isn't that stuff in the web-panel?
04:38<rnowak>there's CPU and disk block IO
04:38<SnoFox>No RAM?
04:38<crimbox3>also, linode.com is really slow for me for some reason. not sure if related
04:38<SnoFox>linode.com is fine for me.
04:39<rnowak>there's no easy non-intrusive way for the xen hypervisor to distinguish what a domU is doing with the alocated RAM, afaik
04:39<ali>hi everyone. I'm currently a SliceHost customer and thinking to migrate to Linode. Can anybody point me good howto on this?
04:39<crimbox3>here is free -m http://p.linode.com/6037
04:39<rnowak>ali: http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/migration/migrate-server-to-linode
04:39<SnoFox>109 days of uptime. :>
04:40<SnoFox>Since I upgraded to a Linode 768
04:40<rnowak>you don't appear to be swapping; run mtr from both sides, could be network related and you may have high packet loss
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04:41<rnowak>check htop or top, might be you have a few runaway processes
04:42<ali>rnowak, checking it, thanks!
04:43<crimbox3>running top, none of the processes use over 1% of memory
04:43<rnowak>you're looking for CPU usage now, not memory
04:44<crimbox3>cpu is all 0
04:44<rnowak>then it likely is network, maybe, perhaps, possibly - mtr from both sides
04:45<crimbox3>i dont understand the output of mtr
04:45<crimbox3>but things seem to be working fine now....
04:45<crimbox3>ill run those commands again when its gets worse
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08:20<user1602>hi there
08:20<user1602>got a question related to the api
08:20<@heckman>aska way
08:20<@heckman>ask away even
08:20<user1602>:)
08:20<user1602>the response format for json
08:20<user1602>is returned as text/html
08:21<user1602>any specific reason for that?
08:21<BarkerJr>hey guys, why do my 512s show only 435132k ram in top?
08:22<user1602>or is it hard to fix :) when proper format is specified, some viewers enable pretty printing the responses
08:22<user1602>and that would be nice
08:22<BarkerJr>my two centos5 servers show the full 512, while the two centos6 one just 424MB
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08:25<user1602>to be clear, the Content-Type header is returned as text/html from the API even when the responseFormat parameter is specified as json
08:26<user1602>application/json is the standard
08:27<user1602>any comments?
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09:48<luisdelgiudice>hi
09:48*akerl waves
09:48<luisdelgiudice>akerl
09:48<luisdelgiudice>do you have knowledge in php?
09:49<akerl>Enough to injure myself
09:49-!-mode/#linode [+o akerl] by heckman
09:49<luisdelgiudice>umm look i have this problem
09:49<luisdelgiudice>i've been googling for days
09:49<luisdelgiudice>maybe you can help me out
09:49<luisdelgiudice>i'm trying to connect remotely to a mysql server with php
09:49<luisdelgiudice>but i always get communication packet error 110
09:50<luisdelgiudice>but
09:50<luisdelgiudice>i have set the allowed connections to %
09:50<luisdelgiudice>so everybody can connect
09:50<luisdelgiudice>is there like a
09:50<@akerl>Have you verified the database is properly listening?
09:50<luisdelgiudice>yeah
09:50<luisdelgiudice>i can connect via navigate with my computer
09:50<luisdelgiudice>navicat*
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09:53<@heckman>Is the PHP code running on your PC, or elsewhere?
09:53<luisdelgiudice>in a host
09:53<luisdelgiudice>another host
09:53<@heckman>Can you telnet to the port from that host?
09:53<luisdelgiudice>what is telnet?
09:54<@heckman>A utility used to connect to remote IP/Ports. Can be used to see if you are able to establish a TCP session with that port.
09:54<@heckman>command-line util
09:54<luisdelgiudice>oh
09:54<luisdelgiudice>i don't know what port to telnet
09:55<luisdelgiudice>how do i do that? i'm on a mac
09:55<@heckman>You don't want to run that on the Mac, you want to run it on the system that PHP is on.
09:55<luisdelgiudice>ohh
09:55<@heckman>So connect to that system via SSH and run telnet [IP_address] [MySQL_port_number]
09:56<luisdelgiudice>i don't have ssh access to that
09:56<@heckman>You don't have access to SSH on your Linoe?
09:56<@heckman>s/Linoe/Linode/
09:56<luisdelgiudice>it's not a linode
09:56<luisdelgiudice>the one i'm trying to connect from
09:56<@heckman>Ah
09:57<luisdelgiudice>but one question
09:57<luisdelgiudice>if the problem was that i can't connect
09:57<luisdelgiudice>how do i solve it
09:57<@heckman>Determine what's not allowing you to connect.
09:57<luisdelgiudice>contacting the host provider?
09:57<@heckman>Firewall on MySQL host side, firewall on the system where the PHP script is being ran, routing issue, etc.
09:58<luisdelgiudice>ohh i see
09:58<luisdelgiudice>so the problem is with the php that is trying to connect
09:58<luisdelgiudice>not with the host of the sql?
09:58<@heckman>I don't know. That's what you need to figure out.
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09:59<luisdelgiudice>I see kay thanks
09:59<luisdelgiudice>but it should be that
10:00<luisdelgiudice>because i can't connect either to a free mysql host i registered totest
10:00<luisdelgiudice>and i can connect to both from mypc
10:00<@heckman>Yeah, may be something on the host where the script is being ran.
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10:06<linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Services&diff=4406&oldid=prev>
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11:10<linbot>New news from forums: Installing X Server on Ubuntu Server 10.04 L512 in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8140>
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11:13<mrilhan>- if I'm having a recurring routing issue, does a stop -> start put my slice onto different hardware?
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11:14<avenj>mrilhan: no
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11:15<avenj>!mtr
11:15<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
11:15<avenj>^^
11:15<mrilhan>I have pingdom setup to check (response time, does the page load? etc.)
11:16<mrilhan>seems that there are recurring timeouts every X checks
11:16<avenj>OK, but without mtr, you don't know why or where
11:16<mrilhan>it does a traceroute when it timesout, and it seems like a router in frankfurt, germany is messing it up
11:17<mrilhan>perhaps outside of linodes control, but I thought maybe relocating my slice might solve the problem. guess not.
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11:17<mrilhan>do you think even a change in hardware would help? or are all the alternatives places my slice could be routed the exact same way?
11:17<mrilhan>*alternative places
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11:17<avenj>no, there are multiple datacenters all over the place
11:18<mrilhan>are there more than 1 datacenter in any location?
11:18<avenj>they're fairly spread out geographically
11:18<mrilhan>so there's an aws-like region/AZ setup behind the scenes at any global location?
11:19<avenj>I don't know how AWS works, but your linode is a VM instance on a particular host machine
11:19-!-mrilhan [~d983850e@chat.linode.com] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
11:19<linbot>http://pingdumb.com/
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11:19<avenj>thx linbot, but I think mrilhan missed it ... ;)
11:19<mrilhan>right. I meant is there more than 1 datacenter at any geographic location
11:19<linbot>http://pingdumb.com/
11:20<avenj>mrilhan: no
11:20<avenj>^
11:20<mrilhan>alright that pretty much answers it, thanks
11:29<grueblur>Who was that one youtube dude who welcomed sportsfans and had the rapid edit sequences and very verbose; take-a-breath diatribes that were warm and witty?
11:29<grueblur>on the tip-of-my-tongue.
11:29<grueblur>blond dude.
11:29<grueblur>circa 2001?
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11:32<linbot>New news from forums: no emails from outside in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8107>
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11:34<uhr>hi guys
11:34<uhr>I have problems installing X.org server on linode
11:34<uhr>http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8140
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11:35<uhr>ideas are appreciated
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11:38<@caker>grueblur: ask a ninja?
11:39<grueblur>CLOSE
11:39<grueblur>This guy welcomed people by saying, "hello sportsfans" or "hello racefans" -- it was very well written.
11:40<hawk>How many guesses do we get? Is there a prize?
11:40<grueblur>very fast-paced talking.
11:40<@heckman>Bob Barker
11:40<uhr>http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8140
11:40*grueblur spays your cat.
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11:41<@heckman>uhr: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/322 may be of help
11:41<@heckman>It's a bit old, but may be a starting point
11:41<@heckman>There are other solutions available too, such as NX.
11:42<uhr>heckman: is linode using Xen?
11:42<@heckman>Yes
11:43<linbot>New news from forums: Upload my files using filezilla in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8141>
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12:17<SnoFox>So hey #linode
12:17<SnoFox>grueblur: Hi from lastnight.
12:17<u3q>so hey SnoFox
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12:17<grueblur>Hello, SnoFox.
12:17<grueblur>I slept and had an egg sammich with cheese.
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12:17<SnoFox>so hey u3q
12:17<SnoFox>grueblur: That sounds delicious.
12:17<@heckman>ya make me one
12:17<grueblur>It was.
12:17<SnoFox>I should make something like that.
12:18<grueblur>I can't wait to make it into poop.
12:18<SnoFox>Oh hey, a wild heckman has appeared.
12:18<SnoFox>How is everyone?
12:18<@heckman>Pretty good, yourself?
12:19<grueblur>I need an angle.
12:19<SnoFox>I'm still trying to wake up, heckman. :p
12:19<grueblur>Some way to freelance.
12:19<@heckman>Hah. I've been around for about 5 hours now.
12:19<SnoFox>So far I woke up, put the dog out, and laid back in bed.
12:19<@heckman>Well, awake anyhow.
12:19<SnoFox>I woke up cuddling my laptop. I found that ... Amusing.
12:19<grueblur>mmmm, warm.
12:19<grueblur>forever alone.
12:19<SnoFox>It was. :D
12:19<SnoFox>And it was. D:
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12:24<vodka>I hate email ><
12:25<@heckman>I don't hate it, just having to clean up my inbox every so often. It's starting to get unruly again.
12:26<vodka>meh, personal email isn't so bad… it's when you have a 30k messages mail queue that gets stuck on something
12:27<@heckman>stop spamming
12:27<vodka>hehe
12:27<vodka>I wish I was, then I knew how to make it stop :)
12:27<vodka>(this isn't a mail queue on a linode btw, before you get concerned :))
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12:29<@heckman>I'm not concerned, just joking around.
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12:45<alpb>Hi guys
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12:46<alpb>Does anyone know where can I find xserver-xfree86
12:46<hawk>ooh, xfree86
12:46<alpb>Apparently not in official Ubuntu repositories.
12:46<alpb>Trying to do http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/322
12:47<hawk>Most everything switched to Xorg which is mostly the same thing, do you specifically want xfree86?
12:47<alpb>Actually I have seen this from that article
12:47<hawk>Ok, but the article is from 2006
12:47<alpb>Not sure if it is still valid. Yep 2006.
12:48<vodka>for that purpose you can replace it with xorg I think
12:48<hawk>Indeed, I would guess it's mostly relevant if you replace "xfree86" with "xorg"
12:49<alpb>Hmm I already have xorg
12:50<alpb>Just want to make sure, it is possible to start an X server on linode vps, right?
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12:51<hawk>Uhm, well... something like Xvnc which that article talks about should work
12:53<dwfreed>If you don't actually need to see the output, you can use Xvfb
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12:59<alpb>Hawk: Hmm, can Xvnc provide me a port so that I can set DISPLAY env variable and my Java app thinks that it is connecting to an X server?
13:00<hawk>alpb: To my understanding Xvnc is an X server (and a VNC server)
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13:00<alpb>Hmm let me try it. Clearly my knowledge is quite poor in this area.
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13:03<alpb>I executed following:
13:03<alpb>apt-get install xdm echo ':0 /usr/bin/Xvnc /usr/bin/Xvnc -geometry 1024x768 -depth 24' \ > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers
13:03<alpb>Then I executed : service xdm start (I dont know what it is)
13:04<SnoFox>heckman: Is my bot doing this okay? http://pie.ext3.net/oftc-linode/linode-current.png
13:04<alpb>It told me: Starting X display manager xdm...
13:04<Gabtendo>akerl: what's that website about mtr you always link?
13:04<Gabtendo>:<
13:04<alpb>Hawk: do you have an idea what is package name for Xvnc ? Using ssh over iPad is quite difficult.
13:05<hawk>alpb: I would guess vnc4server and tightvncserver are the current variations
13:05<@heckman>SnoFox: what does that bot use to generate the graph?
13:05<dwfreed>Gabtendo: !mtr
13:05<dwfreed>!mtr
13:05<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
13:06<Gabtendo>dwfreed: no, it's something else
13:06<dwfreed>!ping
13:06<linbot>pong
13:06<Gabtendo>it explains a lot of common results
13:06<SnoFox>heckman: Just live chat info. When the bot is shut down, the graph has to be restarted.
13:06<SnoFox>No presistant logs or data.
13:06<@heckman>SnoFox: Ah, but how does it create the trees? hilites?
13:06<Gabtendo>what does it mean if somebody has complete non-response all the way until it gets to the host?
13:06<dwfreed>Hmm, seems typo is a bot
13:07<SnoFox>Oh my,.
13:07<@heckman>Gabtendo: pastebin it?
13:07<SnoFox>Is my typo bot still here?
13:07<SnoFox>Nope, not mine.
13:07<@heckman>!ping
13:07<linbot>pong
13:07<SnoFox>Anyway, heckman, I haven't a clue. I didn't write it. :p
13:07<@heckman>Typo: mind disabling your bot junk?
13:07<SnoFox>I can link you to the source, but beware, it's in Java. :P
13:07<@akerl>Gabtendo: I'm not aware of another mtr site?
13:07<Gabtendo>akerl: hmmmm
13:08<@akerl>Well, at least not one that I've linked
13:08<dwfreed>Gabtendo: If it's going through HE's network, HE blocks ping responses once you're inside their network
13:08<alpb>hawk: I'm clueless about starting a Xvnc server. Vnc4server should be already running. What should I do now to get an X server running?
13:08<@heckman>Looks to be hilites.
13:08<@heckman>hawk: Just to feed your curiosity. A new one has been rolled out using the default dhcp client.
13:09<hawk>heckman: Ah, a new debian template?
13:09<@akerl>I miss the IRC wargames map of #linode
13:10<Gabtendo>dwfreed: hmm, that would make sense
13:10<SnoFox>So heckman, I guess it's okay to have?
13:10<SnoFox>akerl: What map? :o
13:10<SnoFox>That sounds Interesting.
13:10<dwfreed>akerl: poke KyleXY
13:10<@heckman>hawk: yeah
13:10<@heckman>SnoFox: I don't mind it as long as it's not pming people.
13:10<@akerl>https://github.com/mape/node-wargames
13:11<@akerl>Is the code, KyleXY was running the one for this channel
13:11<@heckman>Only thing that sucked was something broke it.
13:11<@heckman>I don't remember it.
13:11<SnoFox>heckman: I don't believe it has been programmed to ever speak.
13:11<@heckman>I didn't show up on the map.
13:11<@heckman>SnoFox: Works for me. :)
13:11<@akerl>heckman: It didn't do v6 geo
13:11<@heckman>That was right. And because it didn't do v6-ness it puked.
13:13<hawk>heckman: Nifty
13:13<@heckman>SnoFox: it'll be interesting to see how it gets over time. Pretty hectic I'd imagine.
13:14<Gabtendo>would something like this from server>user (not from a linode in this case) indicate a problem with that router before the?: http://pastie.org/private/ztzprfmt6qpqohfca2n4w
13:14<SnoFox>heckman: We should only hope. :P
13:14<@heckman>Gabtendo: could be the end location dropping ICMP
13:15<@heckman>Gabtendo: BOFH drop ICMP
13:15<SnoFox>After so long, I can merge them into a gif or .avi as a continuous thing. To see how the channel goes along through time.
13:15<Gabtendo>is it hard to determine the problem? that last router is about 50 ms out of the final destination, btw
13:15<Gabtendo>here is the user trying to MTR that same server from above: http://pastie.org/2960795
13:16<@ericoc>o.O
13:18<@heckman>That looks like either a VPN...or that you have *server* networking issues.
13:18<@ericoc>it shows no end-to-end loss anyways
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13:19<@ericoc>the second one, weird
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13:19<Gabtendo>heckman: user isn't using a VPN, so the datacenter is worth contacting about this?
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13:19<Gabtendo>ericoc: yeah, I'm just flat out confused :s
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13:23<@akerl>Gabtendo: My gut feeling is that your user has something crazy going on with their networking config
13:23<KyleXY>heckman: It didn't puke when it couldn't do v6,
13:23<KyleXY>heckman: it just ignored the messages for people it couldn't resolve a location for
13:24<KyleXY>akerl: heckman: Also, the default geolocation for it sucks, bad.
13:24<Gabtendo>akerl: hmm
13:24<KyleXY>akerl: I can put one up again, if you want
13:24<Gabtendo>akerl: he's in canada
13:24<Gabtendo>server is in US
13:24<Gabtendo>server>user is going through routers in Europe
13:25<@akerl>The internet is unconcerned with your geography. His MTR is whacked
13:25<@akerl>KyleXY: I eventually plan to put it or something similar up on my node. I'm just procrastinating :)
13:26<KyleXY>akerl: I don't suggest it unless you have a ton of ram
13:26<KyleXY>akerl: it managed to eat away at least 200megs for some reason
13:26<KyleXY>150-200
13:26<@akerl>Ouch.
13:26<KyleXY>Which is why I ended up stopping the other one
13:26<KyleXY>I ran out of money for the spare node, and couldn't stick it on my main linode
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13:27<eagles0513875>hey guys is there any documentation in the library on how to setup routing?
13:28<@akerl>!setup what kind of routing?
13:28<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/
13:28<Hawson>Don't verb your nouns
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13:29<KyleXY>setup should be a verb though ♥
13:29<SnoFox>It's not?
13:29<hawk>It's not
13:29<SnoFox>Oh, right.
13:29<SnoFox>"going" is the verb"
13:29<SnoFox>Going to setup $x
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13:29<@akerl>SnoFox: That's wrong
13:29<hawk>going to set up $x
13:29<KyleXY>SnoFox: set up*
13:30<SnoFox>My space bar is broken.
13:30<SnoFox>Yeah.
13:30<SnoFox>That.
13:30<SnoFox>:)
13:31<eagles0513875>akerl:static routing between linodes
13:32<KyleXY>akerl: Hmm,
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13:32<KyleXY>akerl: registered with the bot allowed one to fuck with the aliases right?
13:32<Gabtendo>akerl: I had him run ipconfig /all...: http://pastie.org/2960866
13:33<Gabtendo>O.o
13:33<SnoFox>Wiiiindows! D:
13:33<KyleXY>!setup
13:34<KyleXY>._.
13:34<KyleXY>How'd I possibly fuck that one u
13:34<KyleXY>p
13:34<SnoFox>Dunno.
13:34<@akerl>KyleXY: You breakin stuff?
13:35<KyleXY>akerl: All I did was change the URL :(
13:35<@akerl>KyleXY: Did you forget your ending " ?
13:35<KyleXY>Oh derp!
13:35<@mikegrb>lulz
13:35<KyleXY>akerl: even worse lol
13:36<KyleXY>!setup
13:36<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/setup/
13:36<KyleXY>there
13:36<@akerl>KyleXY: Link is borked
13:36<KyleXY>ffs,
13:36<@akerl>Trailing slash ftl
13:36<KyleXY>whatever webserver they're using ftl
13:36<Gabtendo>akerl: what do you make of his network..
13:36<SnoFox>Seriously, it broke because of the trailing slash?
13:36<Gabtendo>:<
13:36<SnoFox>:(
13:36<KyleXY>SnoFox: no kidding
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13:37<@akerl>Gabtendo: That's a battle between him and whatever he configured
13:37<KyleXY>!setup
13:37<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/setup
13:37<KyleXY>there,
13:38<Gabtendo>akerl: not worth contacting datacenter about it at all?
13:39<@akerl>Gabtendo: My personal opinion is that you figure out your configs before questioning the other guy's configs
13:40<@akerl>Where "you", "your", and "the other guy" are universal
13:41<Gabtendo>I'm /trying/ to figure it out D;
13:42<SnoFox>Gabtendo: Contact ALL the people!
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13:42<@akerl>I know :) My point is that you should complete that step before moving on to the next one
13:43<Gabtendo>what else is there to know? I'm just flat out confused at this point
13:43<Gabtendo>I've never seen anything like this :<
13:44<KyleXY>Gabtendo: that's not the worst windows ipconfig I've ever seen
13:45<Gabtendo>and I'm not talking just his ipconfig
13:45<Gabtendo>I'm talking about that in combination with his MTRs makes me a lost puppy
13:46<BarkerJr>anyone have any idea why two of my linodes are only showing 400MB ram?
13:48<Gabtendo>BarkerJr: your kernel reserved some for itself?
13:48<Gabtendo>akerl: where should I go from here?
13:49<BarkerJr>wouldn't it show that kernel memory use somewhere?
13:49<KyleXY>BarkerJr: nope, it's reserved away from userspace completely
13:49<Gabtendo>kernels like their RAM
13:50<BarkerJr>so then it might be a bug in the linode kernel
13:50<KyleXY>BarkerJr: ....
13:50<KyleXY>BarkerJr: what distro?
13:50<Gabtendo>no..
13:50<Gabtendo>yeah, that ^
13:50<BarkerJr>centos 6
13:50<Gabtendo>64 bit?
13:50<Gabtendo>:<
13:50<BarkerJr>yes
13:50<KyleXY>BarkerJr: it's a pebkac, it's centos :p
13:50<KyleXY>centos just noms on it's ram
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13:51<Gabtendo>om nom nom RAM
13:51<BarkerJr>centos 5 is fine
13:51<KyleXY>BarkerJr: centos 5 != centos 6
13:52<KyleXY>BarkerJr: if you want your ram back, you might want to switch to 32bit, and perhaps even another distro.
13:53<BarkerJr>how can we prove this?
13:53<KyleXY>BarkerJr: go ahead and reinstall your distro,
13:53*KyleXY shrugs
13:53<KyleXY>I mean, that or poke akerl.
13:54<@akerl>BarkerJr: Your logs should show how much RAM the kernel ate/is eating
13:54<KyleXY>akerl: There are some interesting aliases in linbot .-.
13:55<KyleXY>!ram
13:55<linbot>http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
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13:55<KyleXY>^^ Love that site, heh
13:55<alpb>Mother of god. Y U No work Xvnc?
13:56<BarkerJr>so it wouldn't be in /proc/meminfo ?
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13:58<KyleXY>I need to make a centosatemyram, heh
13:58<KyleXY>or 64bitatemyram.com
13:59<Gabtendo>KyleXY: centos∫⁶⁄⁵₀ 5 dx = centos 6
13:59<Gabtendo>:<
14:00<Gabtendo>close enough, right?
14:00<BarkerJr>I kinda think you guys are trolling
14:00<KyleXY>Gabtendo: woo, what the hell was that encoding wise? .-.
14:00<Gabtendo>wat
14:00<Gabtendo>KyleXY: that was an integral
14:00<Gabtendo>:<
14:00<KyleXY>BarkerJr: I might be a bit biased about centos, but it's being nom'ed on by the kernel heh
14:00<BarkerJr>"top" always shows the 512mb, so that means it includes kernel ram
14:00<Gabtendo>akerl: what do I do next?
14:00*eagles0513875 loves linode
14:01<BarkerJr>so are you telling me that as of centos6 "top" no longer includes kernel ram like centos5 did?
14:02<Gabtendo>BarkerJr: http://arch.413chan.net/Yup-%28n1294879490184%29.jpg
14:02<KyleXY>Gabtendo: ._.
14:02<BarkerJr>ooh, applejack
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14:02<Gabtendo>that's Big Macintosh :|
14:02<Gabtendo>He's Applejack's brother
14:03<eagles0513875>hahah
14:03<eagles0513875>i have a mac
14:03<@mikegrb>lulz
14:03<eagles0513875>27 inch i mac and 13 inch mac book pro from 2009 lol
14:03<Gabtendo>Here's a better view: http://whatimg.com/i/14212047033877831625.png
14:04<BarkerJr>I just built a new centos6 and it shows 512, so there's proof that you're making stuff up
14:04<hawk>BarkerJr: Which kernel version?
14:05<eagles0513875>eww CRAPTOS
14:05<eagles0513875>i would take fedora over centos any day
14:05<BarkerJr>oh, hmm, the new one is on 3.0
14:05<KyleXY>BarkerJr: OK, you'll never have all 512mb available for applications, ever.
14:06<BarkerJr>so if I upgrade my kernel I get 100MB more ram back
14:06<eagles0513875>outa curiosity guys are all linodes paravirtualized xen guests?
14:07<MTecknology>eagles0513875: yup
14:07<BarkerJr>aren't there still a couple really old hosts in linode pre-xen?
14:07<hawk>BarkerJr: There was some 2.6 kernel version that had a bug that made it reserve a bunch of ram unnecessarily (2.6.39(.0)?)
14:08<MTecknology>BarkerJr: maybe.. i'm pretty sure they're being forced off of it, though
14:08<eagles0513875>MTecknology: ok HVM's would only really be needed to virtualize windows right or can you paravirtualize windows and use pygrub?
14:08<MTecknology>eagles0513875: i'd like to shoot anything rhel based in the middle of the head.. i know that's not what they use for smart making, but maybe it'd kill....
14:09<Gabtendo>akerl: so you don't think I should contact the datacenter people about it at all?
14:09<eagles0513875>MTecknology: had me swearing setting up the ispcp panel back in the day of working in a DC
14:09<eagles0513875>omg
14:10<eagles0513875>what a nightmare
14:10<eagles0513875>MTecknology: did learn a neat hack on perl though
14:10<eagles0513875>which i think would be something interesting to document for all linode users
14:10<eagles0513875>ispcp needed perl 5.10 or greater
14:10<eagles0513875>and centos 5 had 5.8
14:11<eagles0513875>i ended up learning how to setup a perlbrew and have the perlbrew with 5.14 which was latest at the time sourced
14:11<eagles0513875>on reboot basically tricking the system into using 5.14 without touching the system perl
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14:13<@heckman>hawk: that was an interesting kernel bug. I didn't lurk commits hard enough to find the reason
14:13<BarkerJr>I'm glad to hear that the bug had nothing to do with centos or 64bit :)
14:14<eagles0513875>centos makes me want to shoot myself\
14:14<BarkerJr>why?
14:18<hawk>heckman: Yeah, and it seems like there were several things going on as it was solved for x86 and x86-64 at different times
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14:18<@heckman>Indeed. x86 was first, iirc, and x86_64 second.
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14:19<rnowak>x86 ftl
14:21<@heckman>Not on my Linode 512 it doesn't
14:21<rnowak>the architecture is le suck
14:21<eagles0513875>BarkerJr: see above
14:21<rnowak>(x86 ftl includes the 64bit extension !)
14:21<@heckman>You prefer ia64?
14:21<rnowak>HELL YEA! no
14:21<@heckman>:p
14:21<eagles0513875>heckman: is it possible to setup windows on a paravirtualized guest using pygrub?
14:22<rnowak>!setup
14:22<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/setup
14:22<rnowak>and no
14:22<@heckman>Nope
14:22<@heckman>Wait
14:22<rnowak>you can run it emulated, but unless you have a death wish, you do not want to emulate it
14:22<@heckman>Do you mean like, instead of deploying Ubuntu on your Linode runing Windows or running Windows inside of Ubuntu.
14:23<eagles0513875>heckman: im asking not for my linode cuz im going to need to deploy windows for a client
14:23<eagles0513875>and i was thinking of using xen
14:23<@heckman>Xen HVM can do it.
14:23<eagles0513875>i know that but is it possible in a paravirtualized guest running pygrub
14:23<rnowak>just don't keep your hopes up if the client needs proper GPU access
14:23<BarkerJr>eagles0513875: the perl on my centos is 5.10.1
14:23<@heckman>eagles0513875: Do you mean emulating it inside of a virtualized guest?
14:23<eagles0513875>BarkerJr: your on 6
14:23<rnowak>no, windows cannot run on a paravirtualized platform
14:23<eagles0513875>BarkerJr: i was on centos 5.6
14:24<eagles0513875>then ill probably go vmware esxi in that case
14:24<BarkerJr>oh :)
14:24<rnowak>if you can run vmware esxi you can run xen hvm
14:24<eagles0513875>rnowak: there is hardly any documentation for hvms though
14:24<BarkerJr>eagles0513875: centos 5 was released in 2007
14:25<eagles0513875>i used it before 6 came out
14:25<rnowak>eagles0513875: there's not much difference compared to running it pv
14:25<eagles0513875>was setting up ispcp web hosting panel
14:25<eagles0513875>rnowak: ok
14:26<eagles0513875>BarkerJr: it needed perl 5.10 on 5.6 it had perl 5.8 used perlbrew to get me on latest and set it to be source on reboot etc and it fixed the panel issues i was having
14:26<BarkerJr>:)
14:26<eagles0513875>kool hack so to speak
14:26<eagles0513875>should write up a document for the library :)
14:26<eagles0513875>who knows when that might come in handy
14:27<eagles0513875>ok gotta was im going to be late to pick up a friend and head to fridns bday party
14:27<BarkerJr>hf
14:27<eagles0513875>LINODE ROCKS
14:27<BarkerJr>yes
14:27<eagles0513875>bought my 2nd linode today
14:27<eagles0513875>getting rid of my godaddy vps hehe
14:27<eagles0513875>migrating all my websites here
14:28<BarkerJr>nice
14:28<BarkerJr>I do use a few hosts, but linode is my fav
14:29<eagles0513875>might get a potential client of mine who wants an offsite back up server a linode
14:29<eagles0513875>have to discuss it with him still
14:33<@heckman>I've not done much looking and I'm just a bit curious. Has anyone found a decent web app that shows git repos with a graph showing branch and merge histories?
14:33<@heckman>Such as using the --graph flag for the "git log" command.
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15:00<Obsidian|server>heckman: there's always hacking apart what github's open sourced, if you've got the time
15:00<Obsidian|server>beyond that I haven't really seen much that does that
15:01<@heckman>Yeah. Could be done, but there wouldn't be enough reward in it for me anyhow. I just wanted it for the convenience factor.
15:01<rnowak>hgweb \o/
15:01<@heckman>Obsidian|server: There's plenty of applications out there that do it. Most of the nice ones, that I've found, only support OS X 10.6 unfortunately.
15:01<Obsidian|server>Indeed..could just get the output via shell, and cronjob it, have a script parse the output and make it pretty or something
15:01<Obsidian|server>yeah
15:01<rnowak>all those frappuccino drinking hipster hackers eh
15:02<Obsidian|server>I've not seen a web app that does it though outside of github and the other repo hosts o_O
15:02<@heckman>Indeed. There's plenty of local apps, however.
15:02<Obsidian|server>Yeah, something like gitk's visualization would be nice
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15:13<jameswilson2>I was able to create a wildcard A record on a top-level domain (*.example.com) with the Linode DNS manager but am having trouble figure out the syntax, or if its even possible to do the same for secondary level domains (Eg, *.sub.example.com).
15:13<jameswilson2>found this: https://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3124
15:13<Peng>jameswilson2: Create a new sub.example.com zone
15:13<jameswilson2>but its unanswered.
15:14<jameswilson2>Peng: aha.
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15:14<jameswilson2>thx
15:14<aaronl>Can I change the hostname of my linode? It's got an ugly hostname.
15:14<Peng>aaronl: Yes?
15:14<Peng>aaronl: Of couse.
15:14<Peng>+
15:14<AlexC_>jameswilson2: the API is often a far better alternative to using wildcards
15:14<Peng>+r
15:15<aaronl>Just making sure. I have no idea what will or will not break their systems/managers etc.
15:15<Peng>aaronl: http://library.linode.com/getting-started#sph_set-the-hostname
15:15<AlexC_>aaronl: Just don't set it to 'rackspace' ... things get ugly then
15:16<jameswilson2>AlexC_: you mean https://www.linode.com/api/dns ?
15:16<AlexC_>jameswilson2: Yes
15:16<Peng>aaronl: The only thing you can do to interfere with "their systems/managers" is use a non-ext3 fs. Even then it's not like anything explodes; you just miss out on some features. Like backups.
15:16<jameswilson2>AlexC_: thx, didnt know that existed actually, very cool.
15:16<AlexC_>jameswilson2: Wildcards are ugly, and in most cases people can simply use the API to create the DNS records they actually need, when they need them
15:17<jameswilson2>AlexC_: it really depends on what you're doing and what you consider ugly i suppose.
15:17<AlexC_>jameswilson2: No, they are always ugly
15:17<hawk>API or dynamic updates or whatever is applicable depending on how their DNS is hosted.
15:17<@heckman>I guess I could technically do dynamic DNS through the DNS Manager now that I have a "server" at home.
15:18<@heckman>I had to use DynDNS before and a CNAME because my router didn't have wget with HTTPS support.
15:18<linbot>New news from forums: [SOLVED] no emails from outside in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8107>
15:20<jameswilson2>AlexC_: care to back that opinion up with a link to more info?
15:21<AlexC_>jameswilson2: You're making it impossible to determin what *doesn't* exist, instead you're going "yay this exists, have this ...." when it may not actually exist. What would you expect to happen when you walk into a restuarant and order the lobster, of which they don't have? You'd like them to tell you they don't have it
15:22<AlexC_>NXDOMAIN is a valid response, and wildcards just piss all over that
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15:26<aaronl>wpa_supplicant on the arch distros by default? WHaaa?
15:26<Nivex>it's in Ubuntu by default too
15:26<aaronl>Oh well.
15:26<aaronl>Problem solved.
15:27<Nivex>I guess they assume you might need it to connect to an 802.1x port
15:27<aaronl>I wonder if there are some wifi points around the linode data centers for us to use.
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15:28<SnoFox>O.o
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15:33<DephNet[Paul]>aaronl, I believe the London DC has a hotspot
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15:36<@mikegrb>lulz
15:36<aaronl>Oh lol. That's neat
15:37<rnowak>I have an AP connected to my london linode, you can use it if you want
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16:09<linbot>New news from forums: Enter website through IP and not domain in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8144> || Looking for a part time SysAdmin to automate install script in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8143> || Looking for a SYSADMIN (part time) to automate the install in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8142>
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16:19<Loft>Can I host a game server in a $20 linode?
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16:23<dwfreed>Loft: you could, but you'd probably have lots of problems, unless it's not a really resource-intesive game server
16:25<Loft>Is there a page where I can read the CPU model for each VPS plan?
16:26<Peng>Loft: Linode uses the same hardware for all plans; the CPUs are fairly recent Xeons, and your VPS gets access to 4 cores.
16:26<Peng>Loft: You
16:26<Peng>Loft: You're certainly allowed to run game servers; whether the $20 plan has enough RAM depends on the game in question.
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16:28<@heckman>My MineCraft server works well on a Linode 512 if no users are connected. :3
16:30<rnowak>game servers can be quite taxing on CPU ;o
16:30<rnowak>might as well run fluid dynamics simulations \o/
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16:32<Loft>Peng: Is there any info on the specific model?
16:32<rnowak>Pentium 75MHz 4 life
16:35<@heckman>Loft: Close to the Xeon 5XXX series.
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16:40<Loft>Thanks.
16:41<tonyyarusso>Loft: Host a zork game server :P
16:42<@mikegrb>lulz
16:42<Loft>lol
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17:01<corycollier>is anything up with the DC in London?
17:01<@heckman>Not that I'm aware of. What's up?
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17:03<ChemicalKicks>Hello sexy geek crew!!!!! :)
17:03<@heckman>...
17:03<corycollier>my linode started OOM'ing and now it wont come back
17:03<@heckman>Reboot it.
17:03<corycollier>3 times?
17:03<corycollier>haha
17:03<ChemicalKicks>OOM'ing sounds kinda sexy
17:03<corycollier>I did!
17:04<@heckman>corycollier: what's the Linode ID? Does it keep OOMing on boot?
17:04<corycollier>1 sec
17:05<corycollier>ah
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17:05<corycollier>got support already: I'd set the run level to /bin/bash
17:05<corycollier>apparently that's a bad thing o_O ?
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17:05<@heckman>Yeah. Init is supposed to start all of your services.
17:06<@heckman>/sbin/init is the process.
17:06<corycollier>oops :/
17:06<corycollier>lesson learned
17:06<@heckman>If your system is trying to use /bin/bash for init it's going to start a prompt and sit there.
17:07<corycollier>is there a way to clear the job queue in the manager?
17:07<@heckman>Unfortunately, no.
17:07<corycollier>k
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17:08<@heckman>We can get an admin to do it, but by the time the admin goes in and whacks them they'll be done already.
17:08<corycollier>yeah
17:08<ChemicalKicks>Hey against better suggestions I installed Exim mail for 10.04 LTS but the emails it's sending aren't going from the email address I expected, any idea how I could trouble shoot?
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17:09<@heckman>I like Exim for outbound MTA only. Did you configure EXIM to be the final destination for the domain you are trying to send the email to?
17:09<corycollier>heckman: thanks for the help!
17:09<@heckman>corycollier: np
17:10<ChemicalKicks>heckman - I'm not sure, I followed the guide as best I could. The email I though it would send from was admin@the-sps.net the email it actually sent from was ck@chemicalkicks.com which is my personal, at no point in the setup did I specify my personal mail :/
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17:19<rnowak>you probably didn't supply From: when sending the email
17:20<ChemicalKicks>How do you mean, during the config via CLI?
17:21<rnowak>during sending the email
17:21<ChemicalKicks>The emails are being sent via a forum program that is set to use send mail and not smtp :)
17:21<rnowak>you still need to set a From header
17:21<ChemicalKicks>Is that a file edit?
17:21<rnowak>well "need", if you don't, you'll likely get unwanted side effects
17:21<rnowak>probably not, check the documentation for whatever your forum program is using to send the email
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17:24<tonyyarusso>Often that sort of thing is under something like "site information" in the admin area of the application.
17:26<ChemicalKicks>Ah so obvious and you're so right, was a setting in the forum software :/
17:26<ChemicalKicks>:)
17:26<ChemicalKicks>Thank you!
17:27<ChemicalKicks>Hey, do you ssh into your server?
17:27<tonyyarusso>Um, of course.
17:28<EugeneKay>I mentally control the tty
17:28<ChemicalKicks>How do you I meant to say :D
17:28<tonyyarusso>Oh
17:28<ChemicalKicks>Do you use the ssh keys as per the guides?
17:28<ChemicalKicks>I can never get it to work
17:28<tonyyarusso>Open gnome-terminal, type ssh hostname.
17:28<EugeneKay>You're setting the keys up wrong, then.
17:28<ChemicalKicks>heh probably
17:28<EugeneKay>PuTTY + Pageant is a great key solution on Windows.
17:29<tonyyarusso>I usually use password auth, but have keys for some things.
17:29<ChemicalKicks>See I was using ???PuttyGen???
17:29<EugeneKay>For linux I stitched together a coupla tricks to make ssh-agent behave nicely with screen
17:29<tonyyarusso>Lolwindows
17:29<EugeneKay>PuttyGen is used to make the keys. You need to tell Pageant to store them for use, and PuTTY to use Pageant(or to read the keys itself).
17:30<ChemicalKicks>Ah so you NEED Pagant running then
17:30<EugeneKay>"or to read the keys itself"
17:30<ChemicalKicks>Why can't putty read them as is?
17:30<EugeneKay>PuTTY by itself will do it, but if you're using encrypted keys you'll have to type the passphrase each connection.
17:30<EugeneKay>And you should be using password-protected keys.
17:30<ChemicalKicks>See on the CLI I see the keyt being refused
17:31<ChemicalKicks>Should be?
17:31<EugeneKay>That's a different thing, then. Your .ssh/authorized_keys on the server is wrong somehow.
17:31<tonyyarusso>Refused by the server?
17:31<ChemicalKicks>So I shouldn't just leave the password gfor the key blank
17:31<ChemicalKicks>Yeah
17:31<ChemicalKicks>Refused
17:31<EugeneKay>Probably excess permissions
17:31<tonyyarusso>Is it in authorized_keys for the user?
17:32<ChemicalKicks>Spent a couple of hours yesterday following a couple of guides, couldn't find one that results in the keys working
17:32<rnowak>you're following the guides wrong then, they likely aren't all wrong
17:32<ChemicalKicks>Tony, no, I never had a folder for authorised keys
17:32<EugeneKay>Generally speaking, / and /home need to be 755, /home/username and /home/username/.ssh/ needs to be 700, and /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys 600.
17:32<ChemicalKicks>Yeah I set all the folder permssions.
17:33<ChemicalKicks>I'd probably be better melting your heads about it when I was sober
17:33<EugeneKay>Drunk sysadmining is the leading cause of data loss
17:33<ChemicalKicks>heh tell me about it
17:33<EugeneKay>And actual work being done, so.... yeah.
17:34<ChemicalKicks>See the problem is though, the time you have to get drunk is also usually the only time you have to do anything too geeky
17:34<tonyyarusso>I get the feeling he doesn't know what authorized_keys is for.
17:34<ChemicalKicks>I don't!
17:34<EugeneKay>That'd be a problem.
17:34<ChemicalKicks>Generally :D
17:35<ChemicalKicks>BRB away for a peeeeeee
17:35*tonyyarusso has to go, but now you know the issue
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17:37<EugeneKay>Insufficient ethanol
17:37<ChemicalKicks>hheh back
17:38<ChemicalKicks>Anyone tried the electronic cigarettes
17:38<ChemicalKicks>I've quit now for 3 weeks WOOOHOOO
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17:45<@akerl>ChemicalKicks: What are you basing your "I need more RAM" on?
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17:45<iggy>go for 512, if it bogs down upgrade... the beauty of linode
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17:45<ChemicalKicks>I based the more ram thing on being a gamer back in the day
17:45<kyhwana>hah
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17:46<@akerl>ChemicalKicks: Graphics eats RAM.
17:46<ChemicalKicks>heheh I know
17:46<ChemicalKicks>But looking at my site what do you guy think?
17:46<KyleXY>boom
17:46<kyhwana>depends on your expected load, really
17:47<ChemicalKicks>Well at the moment there's 38 online
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17:47<ChemicalKicks>I've seen it in excess of 200 depending but usually around 60
17:47<kyhwana>whats your mem usage?
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17:47<ChemicalKicks>I don't know
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17:48<kyhwana>free -m
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17:49<ChemicalKicks>My current host doesn't allow CLI
17:49<iggy>i would say with a properly tuned server a 512 would be sufficient
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17:49<ChemicalKicks>Thanks iggy, it's minefield though ain't it. You don't know if you're configured correctly until it goes wrong
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17:50<kyhwana>ChemicalKicks: oh, thought you switched to linode already
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17:50<ChemicalKicks>No mate.
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17:50<kyhwana>obviously you get full cli/shell access on linode
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17:50<kyhwana>uh
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17:50<ChemicalKicks>The active site is still with Vidahost who're awesome btw
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17:50<kyhwana>did ffemont just die again?
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17:50<ChemicalKicks>I just feel I've outgrown them
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17:51<Peng>kyhwana: Why do you ask?
17:51<ChemicalKicks>In terms of learbing for myself anyway
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17:51<kyhwana>oh, netsplit stuff
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17:51<@akerl>Peng: Got joins/parts hidden? :)
17:51<kyhwana>peng: the join/parts
17:51<bob2>FREMONT IS FINE
17:51<ChemicalKicks>Yeah whats going on with all the jibberish
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17:52<Peng>I'm trying to remember if "Remote host closed connection" is what OFTC says when it sheds a user.
17:52<ChemicalKicks>I mean all the chat messages
17:52<@akerl>Netsplit aftershocks?
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17:53<linbot>Point (0.40844732, 0.80114288) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108453 of 137676 (π ≈ 3.150963130828903 - 0.009370477239110). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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17:54<Peng>Netsplits don't really *have* aftershocks though...
17:54<rnowak>they do; people talking about them
17:55<rnowak>EXTRA EXTRA EXTRA netsplit happened (:
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17:56<Peng>rnowak: True
17:57<WNz>Hey all
17:57<Peng>WNz: Helloo
17:57<WNz>What's the standard policy on account balances (late payments)?
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17:57<rnowak>akerl visits your house with a wrench
17:57<WNz>ha
17:57<Peng>WNz: 10 days late and you get shut down, 20 days and your account is deleted, 30 days and the wrench thing happens.
17:58<gearaholic>anyone know of a simple way to find images by dimensions (WxH) through command line?
17:58<WNz>So nothing if paid within the 10 days?
17:58<Peng>WNz: Correct. It would be friendly to file a ticket explaining the situation, though.
17:58<WNz>Ok that's fine. Thanks
17:59<rnowak>I wish someone would create something like google at some point
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17:59<Nivex>gearaholic: kjotte@cirrus:~/nbdata$ identify -format "%W %H" olf2009flyerPHOTO_2.jpg
17:59<Nivex>850 1108
17:59<ChemicalKicks>ike yahoo
17:59<ChemicalKicks>like
18:01<gearaholic>Nivex: Im not trying to find what the dimension of a image are, Im wanting to delete a bunch of thumbnails that are 160x120 pixels
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18:01<rnowak>:|
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18:01<gearaholic>I'll just write up a script, didnt know if there was a easier way
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18:03*Nivex boggles
18:03<bob2>so the thing Nivex gave you is exactly what you need then
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18:06<gearaholic>but i still need to loop over found images right?
18:07<rnowak>and you expect anything else to find them how without having an index beforehand?
18:07<bob2>no it's not a complete solution, given you never stated the problem, but it is the portion you had a problem with
18:08<gearaholic>touché
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18:15<swaj>!kernels
18:15<linbot>swaj: Latest 3.0 (3.1.0-x86_64-linode22) <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1319567964#138> || Latest 3.0 (3.1.0-linode39) <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1319567946#137> || 3.1.0-x86_64-linode22 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1319567089#144> || 3.1.0-linode39 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1319565425#143> || 3.0.4-linode38 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1316717879#142> || (1 more message)
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18:16<chesty>!moar swaj
18:16<linbot>chesty: 3.0.0-x86_64-linode20 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1312304352#136> || Recovery - Finnix (kernel) <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1297300087#61> || pv-grub-x86_32 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1262381760#92> || pv-grub-x86_64 <http://www.linode.com/kernels/?ver=1262381760#95>
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18:32<swaj>decided to try out Hyper-V Server 2008 R2 SP1 :)
18:33<swaj>we'll see how good it is at running Debian
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18:40<Loft>Is downloading torrent fine in Linode?
18:40<HedgeMage>Loft: as long as you aren't breaking any laws do what you want
18:45<swaj>there are people that run seed boxes on Linodes
18:46<swaj>bittorrent itself is fine, just don't download anything that breaks US copyright laws, etc. :)
18:47<chesty>your guaranteed to get a complaint if you download copyright material from a US ip address.
18:48<chesty>you're
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18:48<swaj>doesn't have to be a US IP -- if your linode shows up in the peers list, period, they'll send a DMCA notice to Linode, and you're done :)
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18:49<chesty>and you would know this how swaj ?
18:49<swaj>because that's how it works?
18:50<swaj>why do you think thepiratebay users get caught all the time?
18:51<chesty>depends what country you live in
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18:52<swaj>here's how it works: The MPAA or RIAA watches pretty much all the popular trackers. They keep logs of every IP that downloads crap through those trackers. They they use ARIN/RIPE/APNIC/etc. to look up the registered abuse handle for each IP they find, and send out letters.
18:52<swaj>it doesn't matter where the tracker is
18:54<chesty>i didn't say anything about trackers
18:54<swaj>you said it had to be downloaded through a US IP -- all I'm saying is it doesn't matter what IP your linode gets the content from -- if it's even in the peers list, that's enough.
18:55<swaj>and Linode is an american company, so placing a linode in the london or tokyo DC's will not save you.
18:55<chesty>I never said it had to be through a US IP, I said you're guarenteed to get one from a US IP
18:55<Tanner>gr
18:55<swaj>17:49 [ chesty] your guaranteed to get a complaint if you download copyright material from a US ip address.
18:55<swaj>doesn't need to be US, is all I'm saying.
18:56<Tanner>does anyone here know much about setting up cgi scripts in nginx?
18:56<Loft>So I should be good if I use super secret torrent trackers? :p
18:56<swaj>likely not
18:56<swaj>Linode does not routinely monitor traffic into or out of your linodes
18:56<rnowak>Tanner: I suspect lots of people do. Your question has been answered, I hope it helps.
18:56<swaj>however, if they receive abuse complaints (and they will) you're done :)
18:57<chesty>you're not done, you have to address the complaint
18:57<Tanner>rnowak: i'm trying to get icinga working in nginx
18:57<swaj>if they catch you, via logs or whatever, you're done.
18:57<chesty><redacted>
18:57<Tanner>but...
18:57<Tanner>"Error: No such CGI app - /usr/local/icinga/share/icinga/cgi-bin/tac.cgi may not exist or is not executable by this process."
18:58<Tanner>all of those files are in /user/local/icinga/share/sbin
18:58<swaj>nginx does fastcgi
18:58<Tanner>i know
18:58<Tanner>i'll just pb my config :P
18:58<swaj>so you'll need a wrapper
18:59<swaj>if it's plain CGI
18:59<rnowak>Tanner: http://wiki.nginx.org/SimpleCGI
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19:04<Light>!info
19:04<linbot>Light: (info [<channel>] <key>) -- Gives information about the factoid(s) associated with <key>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
19:05<Light>!channel
19:05<linbot>Light: (channel [<channel>] <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the channel configuration variable for <name> to <value> for <channel>. Otherwise, returns the current channel configuration value of <name>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
19:07<Tanner>rnowak: "bind/listen: No such file or directory" when I try to start it
19:08<rnowak>$socket = FCGI::OpenSocket( "/var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock", 10 )
19:08<ChemicalKicks>MEOW
19:08<Tanner>rnowak: and I add that in the pl file?
19:08<rnowak>it already is there; you need to create the directory where that file wants to be put
19:08<Tanner>oh
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19:11<swaj>just make sure /var/run/nginx exists, and make sure the user you're running that perl script as can write to that folder
19:11<swaj>(i.e. www-data)
19:11<Tanner>i run the script as root, which i assume is a bad idea
19:11*rnowak deaths
19:12<swaj>um.... yeah....
19:12<Tanner>thought so
19:12<swaj>run it as www-data or some other unprivileged user
19:12<rnowak>or alter it to drop privileges; creating the socket as root is fine but... yeah ^
19:13<swaj>it's a unix socket, so meh
19:13<swaj>just run it as non-root
19:14<Tanner>i still can't figure out how to make the web interface work right
19:14<swaj>that perl script is just a wrapper. it takes any requests and wraps them in FCGI
19:14<swaj>so nginx can talk to it
19:14<Tanner>i know that
19:15<Tanner>http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1391672
19:16<Tanner>insights on what i'm doing wrong?
19:16<swaj>is your perl script listening at /var/run/fastcgi-wrapper/fastcgi-wrapper.sock?
19:16<Tanner>d'oh
19:17<swaj>your regex also only works for files that end in ".cgi" -- I assume that's on purpose?
19:18<Tanner>I have no idea what I'm doing, honestly
19:18<swaj>also, it seems the SCRIPT_FILENAME could be wrong
19:18<Tanner>i rarely venture into perl
19:18<swaj>you said earlier the files are in /user/local/icinga/share/sbin
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19:18<rnowak>this doesn't have much to do with perl
19:18<swaj>but your SCRIPT_FILENAME is /usr/local/icinga/sbin
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19:18<Tanner>noo, that's where it's looking
19:19<Tanner>er, one second..
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19:19<Tanner>swaj: I don't even know where the script is listening
19:20<swaj>by default it's trying to listen at /var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock
19:20<swaj>unless you changed that
19:20<Tanner>ok
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19:20<swaj>so your fastcgi_pass should point to wherever it's listening
19:21<Tanner>swaj: ok, i fixed that but now it 502s
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19:21<swaj>502 is invalid gateway
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19:21<swaj>means something is wrong with the wrapper -- did it not find the file?
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19:21<swaj>or is it not running?
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19:21<Tanner>it's running
19:21<rnowak>check the nginx error log, it should give more insight
19:21<swaj>yeah
19:22<swaj>the default nginx error log is /var/log/nginx/error.log
19:22<swaj>look at the end of that file
19:22<swaj>tail -n 10 /var/log/nginx/error.log
19:22<Tanner>server: monitoring.techessentials.org, request: "GET /icinga/cgi-bin/tac.cgi HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock:", host: "monitoring.techessentials.org", referrer: "http://monitoring.techessentials.org/"
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19:23<swaj>that's not an error, looks like jsut an access log
19:23<Tanner>er, wrong paste
19:23<Tanner>s/wrong/not full/
19:24<Tanner>2011/12/03 18:21:56 [crit] 23437#0: *2745 connect() to unix:/var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: 50.83.24.112, server: monitoring.techessentials.org, request: "GET /icinga/cgi-bin/tac.cgi HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock:", host: "monitoring.techessentials.org", referrer: "http://monitoring.techessentials.org/"
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19:24<swaj>ok, so the nginx worker process is trying to read/write to the unix socket the perl script is running on, but it can't due to filesystem permissions
19:24<Tanner>i see
19:24<swaj>ls -l /var/run/nginx
19:24<swaj>see what the permissions are
19:25<Tanner>srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2011-12-03 18:20 cgiwrap-dispatch.sock
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19:25<swaj>what are the permissions for /var/run/nginx ?
19:25<swaj>the directory itself
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19:25<swaj>you'll want that socket to be writable
19:25<swaj>so you'll need to fix that
19:26<swaj>whatever user nginx is running as
19:27<Tanner>http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1391673
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19:29<Tanner>swaj: ^
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19:30<chesty>unlogged
19:30*rnowak parties
19:31<swaj>Tanner, do a chmod 777 /var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock
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19:32<linbot>Point (0.12316901, 0.86825768) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108454 of 137677 (π ≈ 3.150969297704046 - 0.009376644114253). http://π.hoopycat.com/
19:32*Tanner gulps
19:33<swaj>it's a unix socket
19:33<Tanner>:P
19:33<Tanner>still 502s :(
19:33<swaj>check error log now
19:33<Tanner>same error
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19:34<swaj>the directory might not allow read/writ
19:34<swaj>for S&G's do chmod 777 /var/run/nginx
19:34<swaj>you don't wanna leave it that way
19:34<swaj>but it'll rule out permissions problems
19:34<Tanner>S&G's?
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19:34<swaj>shits and giggles :P
19:35<Tanner>ah
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19:36<Tanner>swaj: still
19:36<swaj>hmm
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19:40<swaj>are you still seeing the same error at the end of the log?
19:40<swaj>permission denied?
19:40<Tanner>swaj: yes
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19:42<swaj>is /var/run readable by nginx worker process?
19:42<swaj>ls -l /var
19:42<swaj>check the permissions on run
19:42<swaj>should be 755 (rwxr-xr-x)
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19:43<Tanner>swaj: drwxr-xr-x 24 root root 860 2011-12-03 18:09 run
19:44<swaj>seems fine
19:44<swaj>and /var/run/nginx is the same?
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19:44<Tanner>yep
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19:45<swaj>and /var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock is 777? (srwxrwxrwx)
19:45<Tanner>nope!
19:45<Tanner>srwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 2011-12-03 18:35 /var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock
19:45<swaj>that's the issue
19:45<Tanner>aha
19:45<Tanner>chmod -r
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19:46<swaj>chmod 777 /var/run/nginx/cgiwrap-dispatch.sock
19:46<Amphibulus>Hello all
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19:46<Tanner>hrsgeaw
19:46<Tanner>still
19:46<Tanner>502
19:46<swaj>what's the error now in nginx error.log?
19:46<Amphibulus>What is the most reliable datacenter, and I'm not talking about the latency, just the uptime.
19:47<swaj>it can't be permission denied
19:47<swaj>Amphibulus: any but Fremont.
19:47<Tanner>swaj: but it is...
19:47<swaj>then the modes on that socket must still be wrong
19:48<swaj>nginx has to be able to write to that socket
19:48<swaj>not just read
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19:48<Amphibulus>swaj they are all good except fremont? And how they compare to rackspace datacenter?
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19:49<swaj>Amphibulus: all of linode's DC are world-class, high-quality DC's at least on par with anything rackspace can do, except Fremont. Hurricane Electric has proven to be inept at running a DC
19:49<swaj>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Network
19:51<swaj>it's worth noting that the Fremont issues are not Linode's fault (at least they aren't usually). It's entirely on the shoulders of Hurricane Electric.
19:51<hawk>I don't know about inept at running a DC in general, but their older FMT1 facility has had a bunch of problems
19:51<swaj>power issues are just unacceptable for a DC, imo.
19:52<swaj>especially one that's supposed to be as high-class as HE
19:52<irogex>yep, stay away from fremont, been burnt too many times!
19:52<Amphibulus>High Economie class :P
19:52<Amphibulus>*Economy
19:53<swaj>yeah
19:53<swaj>so I can say I've been in Newark and quite happy with it
19:53<Amphibulus>Dallas, I think it's Softlayer, wich is pretty good
19:53<swaj>aye
19:53<swaj>Dallas is The Planet
19:53<swaj>(Softlayer)
19:53<Amphibulus>ok
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19:53<Amphibulus>Newark looks to have no raised floor
19:53<swaj>to see the hosts for each DC, check here http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Network
19:54<Amphibulus>Well, it's pretty easy to find with a tracert
19:54<swaj>yeah
19:55<swaj>but that page has links to them all
19:55<swaj>and network diagrams
19:55<swaj>and in some cases the physical address
19:57<hawk>Amphibulus: I have no idea, but what makes you think that?
19:57<Amphibulus>Newark it's on Cogent
19:57<Amphibulus>picture on their website
19:59<hawk>Cogent?
20:00<Amphibulus>yeah, I crappy network provider
20:01<rnowak>eh.
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20:03<hawk>Amphibulus: Not sure I follow. The immediate ISP would appear to be NAC (who also run the DC itself)...?
20:03<linbot>New news from forums: Slow SCP through network in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8145>
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20:15<Loft>Are there any sample Linode servers from each data center that I can ping for testing?
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20:17<iro>try pinging each of the hosts on the speedtest page - http://www.linode.com/speedtest/
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20:18<Loft>Thanks.
20:18<jeff>If I currently have a user associated with Account-1, can I also associate that user to another account Account-2?
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20:21<rnowak>you cannot
20:22<Guest19242>ok :-/
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20:26<Amphibulus>I'm back, sorry, I was on the java one, I have now installed a real IRC client
20:27<Amphibulus>For Cogent, it's only a provider, it's where the datacenter connect, even if they have their own network between their own datacenter
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20:31<EugeneKay>The HE network map is the old one
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20:32<EugeneKay>Should be pointing to http://he.net/HurricaneElectricNetworkMap.pdf
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20:33<Amphibulus>I think I will go with Dallas or Newark
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20:34<hawk>Amphibulus: Yes, it's only one of many peers
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20:38<Amphibulus>linode.com looks to be hosted in Dallas
20:39<hawk>It is
20:40<EugeneKay>(yes, I considered signing up for a Wiki account, but meh)
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20:41<Amphibulus>so I will signup for Dallas
20:44<Amphibulus>I'm better with 12 months or month to month?
20:44<Amphibulus>anybody want a referral?
20:45<Nivex>who referred you?
20:45<Amphibulus>nobody
20:46-!-mighteejim [~jim@c-68-81-142-176.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #linode
20:46<Nivex>My code is 99d28dc7009b403094d0a9104072cb062bf68f32
20:46<mighteejim>Hi ricky
20:46<mighteejim>you der?
20:47<Amphibulus>Nivex I put yours
20:47<Amphibulus>do you know if they have promo code?
20:47<Nivex>no promo codes at this time that I know of
20:48<mighteejim>clear
20:48<GLaDOSDan>!referral
20:48<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: http://linode.com/referrals/ )
20:48<GLaDOSDan>oh
20:49<Nivex>GLaDOSDan: yeah, I thought about giving him that one, but meh
20:49<Amphibulus>free activation? there is an activation fee?
20:49<GLaDOSDan>(It's a joke)
20:49<GLaDOSDan>(There's no activation fee)
20:49<Amphibulus>ok..
20:50<hawk>!dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
20:50<linbot>That is caker's code
20:50<GLaDOSDan>haha
20:50<Nivex>All hail caker!
20:50<GLaDOSDan>!99d28dc7009b403094d0a9104072cb062bf68f32
20:50<GLaDOSDan>:(
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20:52<Loft>Are there any benefits from signing up with a referral code?
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20:53<Amphibulus>only for the one who give it
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20:54<Amphibulus>what is the "Deployment Disk Size"?
20:54<BarkerJr>the size of the / disk?
20:54<Amphibulus>but what the remening do?
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20:55<@caker>you can create multiple disk images within your quota ..and/or can deploy multiple configs and boot between them
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20:55<BarkerJr>you can make additional disks and mount them as susdirectories
20:55<Amphibulus>ok, cool
20:57<Amphibulus>why they recommand a 32bits?
20:57<Amphibulus>use less ram?
20:57<BarkerJr>yes
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21:01<Amphibulus>now I will transfert my stuff away from rackspace
21:03<mshuler>excuse me - I ferted. :)
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21:18<EugeneKay>Loft - the person whose code you use gets a $20 credit.
21:20<KyleXY_>!enter
21:20<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
21:20<Nivex>if you keep your Linode for 3 months
21:20*KyleXY_ copies and pastes
21:22<dwfreed>KyleXY_ should get rid of his '_' :P
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21:27<BarkerJr>good, no more wasting bytes :P
21:29<Nivex>"• The master IP '2600:3c03::1b:1000' appears to be an invalid IP address."
21:29<Nivex>:(
21:30<rnowak>BarkerJr: please .lower() your nick, you're making my monitor use more power
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21:30<BarkerJr>hmm, less power cause more black :)
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21:36<dwfreed>Whoops, we killed the channel logger
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21:36*dwfreed pokes caker
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21:37<linbot>Point (0.47208679, 0.39496401) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108455 of 137678 (π ≈ 3.150975464489606 - 0.009382810899813). http://π.hoopycat.com/
21:37<dwfreed>heh, nevermind
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21:51<Tanner>swaj: Okay, I'm still getting permission denied even when it's 777
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21:54<caker>free linodes for everyone
21:54-!-caker is now known as chesty
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21:58<Tanner>wtf
21:59<Tanner>why did it just go back from rwxrwxrwx to rwxr-xr-x
22:01<swaj>Node.JS version 0.6.4 is banned in china: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs/browse_thread/thread/8803e5fbe28984af?hl=en%3Fhl%3Den
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22:03<Tanner>swaj: ok, so when I run it as root I get a 502, and when I run it as www-data I get those errors again...
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22:32<jpark31>Hello, I am trying to setup a postnet/dovecot mail server...I am trying to telnet into the port but I am getting an error...telnet: connect to address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host
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22:33<jpark31>hello, I am trying to telnet into my mail server but I am getting this error: telnet: connect to address XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX: Connection refused telnet: Unable to connect to remote host : Why am I unable to telnet into the port?
22:33<@Praefectus>you running a firewall?
22:34<jpark31>yes, I am running a firewall
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22:34<@Praefectus>did you open the correct ports?
22:34<jpark31>I think I did...
22:35<jpark31>I also can't connect with pop3 or smtp...
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22:38<jpark31>how do I open the ports on my firewall?
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22:39<Amphibulus>jpark31 it depends what is the firewall you are using
22:41<jpark31>iptables is all I have
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22:41<@Praefectus>http://library.linode.com/security/firewalls/iptables
22:42<jpark31>I am using iptables and I have read that...in fact I am reading it again...
22:43<chesty>!pb iptables -nvL
22:43<linbot>http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel
22:45<chesty>also netstat -nlpt
22:48<jpark31>ok
22:50<swaj>sudo netstat -punta is my favorite :P
22:51<jpark31>This is for the iptables -nvL http://p.linode.com/6038
22:53<jpark31>netstat -nlpt http://p.linode.com/6039
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22:56<jpark31>see anything interesting?
23:00<chesty>why are all the traffic stats 0 in the iptables paste?
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23:01<chesty>see line 6? you want a line like that for 25, etc
23:04<jpark31>I don't know why it is like that... or why there are all the 0 traffic stats...
23:04<linbot>New news from forums: [Solved] 2 domains -> 1 site in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8116>
23:04<jpark31>What would you suggest?
23:06<chesty>iptables -I INPUT 4 -p tcp --dport 25 -j ACCEPT
23:07<jpark31>what does that do?
23:10<Amphibulus>you can search on google too
23:12<jpark31>thats what I'm doing right now...I just flushed the tables and I am rebuilding them right now...
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23:14<linbot>New news from forums: [SOLVED] no emails from outside in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8107>
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23:29<swaj>I might have to buy a license for M/Monit :P
23:29<swaj>my VPS count is growing
23:30<Amphibulus>what is Monit?
23:30<Tanner>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
23:30<@akerl>Amphibulus: Awesome.
23:30<swaj>http://mmonit.com/monit/ -> A handle little daemon that sits in the background and watches all the other various daemons on your box, and lets you know if they die. It can do detailed monitoring (like checking if it responds to TCP request, etc)
23:31<swaj>it can also restart the process if it dies
23:31<swaj>and email you
23:31<Amphibulus>there is open source solution for that
23:31<swaj>monit is open source
23:32<swaj>m/monit is just a web front-end that takes various information from the monit instances
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23:32<swaj>and shows you a pretty dashboard with stats
23:32<Tanner>i think that flipping a table is the best way to express my frustration right now :|
23:33<Tanner>i am running the script as root. it has 777. Still gets permission denied
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23:34<swaj>you know apache can run CGI right?
23:34<swaj>you wouldn't need a fastcgi wrapper
23:34<Tanner>yes
23:34<Tanner>but i don't like apache
23:34<@mikegrb>lulz
23:34<swaj>lol
23:34<Tanner>resource waste
23:34<swaj>not if it's configured properly
23:34<Tanner>i know
23:35<Tanner>but their IRC channel isn't exactly friendly
23:35<swaj>I'm an nginx guy, too, don't get me wrong. I use nginx on all my servers. However, apache is very capable of being a nice webserver
23:35<Tanner>i didn't expect them to be like a kindergarten teacher
23:35<swaj>use mpm_event
23:35<swaj>and turn off keepalives
23:35<swaj>and 99% of your resource issues will go away
23:36<Tanner>but i also didn't expect to be called a moron
23:36<Tanner>and that's the main reason I don't use it
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23:46<linbot>New news from forums: Send-only needed. Cleanest solution? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7882>
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.62228209, 0.83107337) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108455 of 137679 (π ≈ 3.150952578098330 - 0.009359924508537). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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