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---Logopened Tue Dec 06 00:00:42 2011
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00:03<srj55>i have a linode that won't seem to respond to reboot commands. any suggestions on what to do?
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00:07<kyrize>are there any support on?
00:07<kyhwana>srj55: hmm, file a ticket, i'd say? is it currently up? Can you login to it? What does lish say?
00:08<kyrize>I cancelled my account and specifically asked for a refund.
00:08<kyrize>It falls under the 7 day trial and i would like to ask how long that would take
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00:08<kyhwana>kyrize: WHEN DID YOU DO THIS?
00:08<@Perihelion>kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement
00:08<srj55>kyhwana: lish can't connect. I can login via ssh, but each keystroke takes a few minutes to register in the console
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00:09<kyrize>I did it just now
00:09<kyhwana>srj55: What do the graphs for your linode say? Is it doing lots of IO/cpu?
00:10<srj55>kyhwana: linode isn't updating those graphs...job queue says it's still waiting for a reboot, which i've already done twice.
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00:11<kyhwana>weird, I think you'll have to file a ticket for that then?
00:11<rnowak>swaj: you were the one using rabbitmq too right? Any way to reliably determine lost connection other than sending a noop publish and checking then before sending the real message? nooping before every message doesn't seem very... productive :/
00:11<kyrize>I sent the email just now along with the username and creditcard
00:11<kyrize>I also filled the cancellation form
00:11<kyrize>and specifically asked for a refund
00:12<rnowak>swaj: I shut down rabbitmq after opening a connection with Pika, and it never ever detects it going down, only after a publish :/
00:12<@Perihelion>kyrize: Did you see what I said?
00:12<kyrize>Which part
00:12<@Perihelion>00:08 @Perihelion kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement
00:12<kyhwana>omg, Perihelion is back, yaay
00:13<kyrize>How long until it gets processed
00:13<kyhwana>18:12 <@Perihelion> 00:08 @Perihelion kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement
00:13<kyrize>roughly so i know when I should be getting it
00:13<rnowak>within a few days
00:13<@Praefectus>3-5 business days
00:13<kyrize>kk thanks
00:13<@Perihelion>The refund is processed on our end on the same day
00:13<@Perihelion>When it appears on your statement is up to your bank
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00:14<Flush>i was wondering if anyone could help me out with name-based virtual hosting on apache
00:14<Flush>or point me to some more in-depth documentation
00:14<rnowak>the apache documentation
00:15<Flush>yeah i've looked at it, it's very brief
00:15<rnowak>you won't find better
00:15<Flush>yeah i figured as much
00:15<rnowak>so, in other words, ask what you wonder and perhaps someone can give you a hand
00:16<Flush>my problem is that when i'm clicking on links within my site, other than the home page, i get SERVERIP/pagename.php rather than
00:16<rnowak>how does the href look in your links
00:17<kyhwana>are you using your domain name in hrefs?
00:17<rnowak>quite likely this isn't a vhost issue, but your application may be writing out the IP in the links
00:17<rnowak>unless of course you do some odd redirects
00:18<Flush>it's a wordpress install in all cases, so they are relative links
00:18<@Praefectus>Flush: pastebin one of your vhosts
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00:18<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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00:18<Flush>so perhaps wordpress is writing the IP rather than the domain name? that sounds plausible to me
00:18<Flush>didn't think of that ...
00:18<rnowak>eh just look at the links
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00:19<rnowak>if they are relative, then you're doing some odd rewrites in apache, or redirects in wordpress
00:20<rnowak>check your meta tags as well, see what baseurl they define
00:20<Flush>yeah wordpress is the problem
00:20<Flush>facepalm ...
00:20<Flush>meta tags say the base URL is the IP
00:20<Flush>thanks guys
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00:24<poutine>I am a current linode customer, I think I've been one over a year now, I want to get another linode for a year up front, and I'm wondering if I can get a promo code that beats the 10% off, which is pretty much 1 free month. Would any admin be able to reward such customer loyalty?
00:24<kyhwana>poutine: if you want to pay for a year, you can file a ticket. 10% off is standard for paying a years worth
00:24<kyhwana>but there's no "promo code"
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00:25<poutine>there's a promo code slot
00:25<@Praefectus>promo codes are handed out at events we attend
00:26<bd_>poutine: I believe two-year prepayments are 15% or so
00:26<@Praefectus>15%, si
00:26<poutine>All I'm saying is that sometimes rewarding customer loyalty is a good thing for business
00:26<Peng>Also, promo codes are only for new signups, no?
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00:27<bd_>poutine: so is enticing new signups with a temporary discount, but if you do both you just cut your prices across the board
00:27<@Perihelion>poutine: PM jed. He won't be able to help you but he'll appreciate the fact that you took the time to say hi
00:27<Peng>poutine: How 'bout referrals? Sucker people into signing up -- err, show them the light regarding Linode's wonderful services -- and you get $20 if they stay.
00:27<kyhwana>Can I get a Perihelion lap dance for being a custom for a few years?
00:27<poutine>jed is inserting a promo code for me in the DB as we speak
00:27<@Perihelion>good on him then
00:28<bd_>poutine: for a negative discount? <.<
00:28<Peng>:O Perihelion's back. I hadn't noticed.
00:28<@Perihelion>kyhwana: No those are reserved for customers who pay 50k+ a month
00:28<@Perihelion>Better get on that
00:28<kyhwana>I need to win lotto
00:28<Peng>Perihelion: What if we got 2500 customers who pay $20 a month?
00:29<kyhwana>That's a lot of lap dances
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00:29<@Perihelion>We love people who pay $20 a month too but they're gonna have to cough up more than that for perks like that
00:29<poutine>I will be
00:30<poutine>that's the point
00:30<@Praefectus>you can get a lapdance from heckman if you pay <$50k/month
00:30<encode>Praefectus: i get lapdances from heckman's mom for free. Why would i want a lapdance from heckman?
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00:31<@Perihelion>encode: You wouldn't.
00:31<Peng>Praefectus: I pay him $20 a month *not* to lapdance.
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00:32<encode>Perihelion: good. Glad we're on the same page
00:33<poutine>jed also confided some other stuff in me, that guy who pooped on the rim of the toilet? that was jed
00:33<@Perihelion>poutine: What was he doing in the women's restroom?
00:33<encode>also, promo codes for being a customer for a year? what about promo codes for being a customer for > 5 years?
00:33<encode>i've been a customer longer than mikegrb has been employed at linode
00:33<poutine>encode, It was a simple trade-off, it never hurts to ask
00:34*encode is happy enough with the free upgrades
00:34<@Perihelion>I'm going to bed kbye
00:34<kyhwana>nini Perihelion
00:34<encode>Perihelion: ok. I'll see you soon then
00:34<kyhwana>Pleasent dreams. ^.^
00:35<@caker>Windows Please-NT 3.0
00:35<@Perihelion>encode: Hey buddy you gotta pay like everyone else
00:37<encode>Perihelion: i pay in advance
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00:46<tonyyarusso>I thought I'd seen downtime before, but no, everyone re-assess your standards, because THIS is downtime: "The state park reservation system will be shut down from 8 p.m. Dec. 27 through Feb. 29 while the online site is revamped"
00:46<kyhwana>holy shit
00:47<tonyyarusso>That's what I said...
00:48<Gabtendo>this is your siging telegram
00:48<Gabtendo>I hope it finds you well
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00:48<Gabtendo>you're invited to a party
00:48<Gabtendo>cause I think you're really swell
00:48<Gabtendo>gummy turning one year old
00:49<Gabtendo>so come and celebrate
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00:50<Gabtendo>the festivities will be great
00:51<Gabtendo>it won't be the same without you
00:51<@Praefectus>Gabtendo: enough
00:52<JoeK>linode-con 2012
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01:05<Gabtendo>Praefectus: Friendship is Magic
01:05*Gabtendo waves hands around magically
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01:09<biznickman>anybody run into an issue with apt-get and ubuntu? I just booted a new instance and apt-gets are failing
01:09<bob2>a) /topic
01:09<bob2>b) you forgot to 'apt-get update' and/or pastebin the error
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01:10<biznickman>and that fixed it :)
01:11<bob2>wrong channel
01:11<bob2>strike (a)
01:11<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
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01:11<bob2>@chesty shut up
01:11<biznickman>my question was asked in the wrong channel?
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01:16<Obsidian|server>tonyyarusso: that's not downtime
01:16<Obsidian|server>tonyyarusso: that's hibernation
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01:17<tonyyarusso>Pretty much
01:17<Obsidian|server>server's hibernating through the winter.
01:17<Obsidian|server>"Oh hey the site ran from its bugs! Six more weeks of winter."
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01:26<rnowak>ALL OF THEM
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01:36<Chris___>+1 more time I've mentioned how long London has been on 'Internal Testing' in hopes of it actually pressing someone to do something to get it out faster
01:36<Chris___>Love, me
01:36<bob2>yeah, it's definitely linode being slackers
01:37<bob2>not the dc being liars
01:37<Chris___>sure; but doesn't mean my mentioning it won't press someone at Linode to press someone at the DC harder about it
01:38<Chris___>or, cut out the middle man, and just give the people who wants v6 faster the contact information for the people slacking off on making it happen
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01:39<Peng>Chris___: Pissing off the data center doesn't sound like a good business strategy.
01:39<EugeneKay>The DC info is published on the iki
01:39<Chris___>nor is being lazy, Peng :p
01:39<Peng>Also, it's not necessarily the data center holding things up.
01:40<Peng>Chris___: Who says anyone's being lazy?
01:40<Peng>Chris___: And laziness could be a better strategy than pissing-off.
01:40<EugeneKay>Peng - the fact that IPv6 wasn't adopted in 2005
01:42<Peng>EugeneKay: Touche
01:42<EugeneKay>Keep your filthy french hands offa me
01:42<Peng>EugeneKay: A true American is happy to steal foreign words and pass them off as his own.
01:43*Praefectus is happy to make up words
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01:58<@Perihelion>Chris___: Shh
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01:59*Obsidian|server flings a cactus at Perihelion
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03:21<linbot>New news from forums: French domain soa record for AFNIC in General Discussion <>
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03:34<linbot>New news from forums: Sub-domains and Virtualhosts in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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04:04<drclaw>I have a question .. can I, eventually, transfer an external IP address of 1 VM to another in the same datacenter?
04:05<kyhwana>What exactly do you mean?
04:05<drclaw>I am rebuilding a machine right now, in another VM
04:05<drclaw>don't want to lose continuity
04:05<rnowak>pretty sure you can already do that via the manager, using ip fallback or whatever they call it
04:06<AlexC_>drclaw: Yes you can
04:07<AlexC_>There is the "Swap IP" button in the manager
04:07<drclaw>trying to find that as we speak
04:07<@Praefectus>remote access tab
04:07<drclaw>yes, found it
04:08<drclaw>this will work out perfectly
04:08<drclaw>thanks people
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04:46<kyhwana>Is fremont still up?
04:53<AlexC_>I think it's scheduled for a power cut soon
04:54<chesty>tokyo is scheduled for 90% packet loss
04:55<AlexC_>om nom nom
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05:14<stefan2>Ok, im loosing my mind. maybe someone can help me with this. For what ever reason I can not ping the second IP I have on my linode. This started after I removed the 3rd one I had from the linode maneger. I rebooted via the manager and now I just can't seem to ping it. I checked /etc/network/interfaces and its just as in the linode library. TCPdump sees the incoming ICMP but no reply. I also flushed IPtables. Any suggestions on what I can try
05:15<kyhwana>public IP or private?
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05:16<stefan2>if I see it in tcpdump that means that its all set on the linode end?
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05:16<kyhwana>ifconfig shows it still?
05:16<kyhwana>That sounds like something on linodes end, it worked before you removed the 3rd one?
05:16<stefan2>I do this on other linodes the exact same way and it works fine
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05:17<stefan2>I guess I'll open a support ticket
05:17<kyhwana>Can you ping it locally?
05:17<kyhwana>hmm. checked the routing?
05:17<stefan2>it looks ok to me
05:18<stefan2>its the same as on my other linodes which work with multipple ips
05:18<stefan2>although I just notice that the one that works has two defaults which are identical?!
05:19<stefan2>does the order matter in route?
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05:21<kyhwana>hrm, for more than one IP? I dunno, I wouldn't think so?
05:21<stefan2>very wierd
05:21<chesty>do you have a firewall?
05:22<stefan2>I flushed it
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05:23<stefan2>wtf. I just pinged the gateway and now it works
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05:26<stefan2>rebooting again to see what happens
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05:27<stefan2>this is very wierd, it works now. route is the same and everything else as well.
05:28<stefan2>Pinged the gateway from the machine and it started working.
05:28<stefan2>now also works after reboot
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05:40<praetorian>.z 2
05:45*AlexC_ bakes the channel some festive cookies
05:49<Louis>Thx AlexC_ :D
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05:51<Solver>mmm cookies
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06:15<@Praefectus>is it bedtime yet?
06:26<AlexC_>Praefectus: You can stay up an extra hour
06:30<@Praefectus>i have 2.5 more hours to go before i leave
06:31<AlexC_>Night shift?
06:31<marius>What'd yo udo to deserve this ?
06:31<@Praefectus>ya, 10p-9a sun/mon/tues/wed
06:32<marius>I thought they put whatshisface on that :P
06:32<marius>Did yo udiss cackers new stach?
06:32<@Praefectus>i like the 4 day weeks, jus have to get used to it again
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06:33<AlexC_>Praefectus: Ouch long hours ... we'll try not to break anything :P
06:34<marius>And if you do, get AlexC_'s stuff first.
06:34*Praefectus breaks marius' 'nodes
06:35*marius pets the nodes
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06:38<@Praefectus>it wouldnt be so bad if i didnt wake up 3 hours after i passed out yesterday
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07:01<deepfryed>question for linode experts around. any idea if i can get instance with more cpu cores ? we use a number of 4G 4core instances, but looking to upgrade an instance
07:01<AlexC_>deepfryed: All plans have 4 cores
07:02<deepfryed>any custom plans with higher core instances ?
07:02<TimTim>i was wondering that as well... how would you go about tying together a few different linodes? i'm sure there are a number of ways but what's the best method with linode?
07:03<AlexC_>deepfryed: Not that I'm aware of. The larger plans generally will give you more CPU time available as there was less neighbours, but that's about it
07:03<AlexC_>TimTim: String? How do you mean tying together?
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07:04<rnowak>can your processes be distributed? if they can, do it - if they can't, make them be able to if you really need it
07:05<TimTim>i guess i mean have like 16 cores working together across 4 linodes
07:07<rnowak>There's a gazillion of ways to do, if they do not need shm, if they do, tough luck
07:07<deepfryed>you can do it with things like openmp, but not trivial
07:07<rnowak>You'd better be looking at workers that can run on the different nodes, and submit jobs through a message queue
07:09<TimTim>gotcha... just curious thanks :)
07:09<deepfryed>yeah seems like what i have to do as well
07:09<rnowak>[pid:31392/rpclane] SUCCESS Processed 058dacb16e85416b8524251fcbe2d856 rpc.main.status in 0.0038058757782, after 0.00505900382996 of queueing.
07:09<deepfryed>suggestion for linode peeps here: would be great to have vps options with higher number of cores
07:10<rnowak>right now as we're speaking <3 Got tired of all the available options, so NIHing up in the house
07:11<AlexC_>deepfryed: That kind of defeats the purpose of scaling horizontally
07:12<deepfryed>yes it does, but some types of workloads benefit from more cores. esp when i'm running an olap db
07:12<marius>almost 100k seconds on the nyan-telnet!
07:12*rnowak stare
07:14<marius>you do not know of the nyancat telnet ?
07:15<AlexC_>Is there a Llama telnet?
07:15<rnowak>I want a stfu telnet
07:15*AlexC_ hands rnowak a cup of tea
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07:35<marius>SpaceHobo, yeah I got kicked off the other day and when I reconnected it was like this
07:36<marius>You have nyaned for 96954 seconds!
07:36<marius>almost 27 hours
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07:43<flashingpumpkin>hey guys. quick question: I've got a linode here that I would like to rebuild. It's got two disks, of which only one is attached. If I do the rebuild, will the second, unattached disk get wiped too?
07:44<flashingpumpkin>ah. yes it seems deducting from the disk size prompt
07:44<AlexC_>flashingpumpkin: You choose which disk to redploy to
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07:45<flashingpumpkin>AlexC_, well there is not exactly a choice:
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07:46<AlexC_>Ahm, not sure then - it's been a while since I have had to redeploy. Shall have to wait for someone else to answer
07:47<AlexC_>The library may have some info on it
07:48<@Praefectus>flashingpumpkin: click deploy instead of redeploy
07:48<AlexC_>Praefectus: Just to unconfuse me, when you hit deploy you then choose which disk? Is that where I'm getting this from?
07:49<@Praefectus>you can use any unallocated space when you hit "deploy a distro"
07:49<@Praefectus>i have a bunch of 4GB disks on my test node
07:51<flashingpumpkin>ah. cool. thanks Praefectus
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09:05<Vegar>I see that my vps in london has been trying to connect to IPv6 addresses during its daily "apt-get update" cronjob. What's the status on IPv6 in London?
09:06<linbot>IPv6 is currently available in Fremont, Dallas, and Newark. The London and Atlanta facilities are currently undergoing internal testing, and Tokyo is in progress. More info:
09:06<Vegar>is there an ETA?
09:07<hawk>Not that I know of
09:07<Nivex>Estimated Time of Annoyance? Sure, everytime someone asks again ;P
09:08<hawk>Vegar: If it's trying to connect to ipv6 addresses despite not having ipv6, it sounds like it's misconfigured somehow
09:09<Vegar>hawk: but it's been behaving nicely for over a year
09:11<Vegar>inet6 addr: fe80::fcfd:b2ff:fe4f:993e/64 Scope:Link
09:11<Vegar>(from ifconfig eth0)
09:11<hawk>Maybe it has been misconfigured all that time, and now the mirror you are using in sources.list have added AAAA records... Just one of several possible theories
09:11<Vegar>that's a link-local address..
09:12<linbot>New news from forums: Latency from London to (443) in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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09:14<Vegar>I should just disable ipv6
09:15<vegardx>Disabling IPv6 in Linux can be a pain now.
09:15<avenj>and why bother .. should fail over to v4
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09:16<avenj>rather quickly too if you only have link-local v6 8)
09:16<Vegar>if I run apt-get update manually, it doesn't fail
09:17<avenj>you didn't mention that it fails :o
09:17<Vegar>W: Failed to fetch Cannot initiate the connection to (2001:470:1f08:80b::2). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:470:1f08:80b::2 80]
09:18<Nivex>could have been a transient DNS problem where only the AAAA record was returned
09:18<Vegar>that is possible
09:18<Vegar>it failed at 05:00 this morning
09:18<Vegar>I sshd in at 07:30 and it was fine
09:18<Vegar>then I got another email at 10:15 with the same error messages
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09:20<Vegar>ah, well, I'll see if it's better tomorrow morning
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09:22<vegardx>Vegar: you could use a non-ipv6 enabled mirror
09:22<vegardx>or just use unattended upgrades
09:23<Vegar>I'll look into it if it complains more
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09:25<Nivex>You could also set up a tunnel from until the native arrives :)
09:27<Vegar>they promised native ipv6 in Q4 2011, so I hope it'll be here within a couple of weeks
09:30<hawk>I'm not sure I would go as far as "promised", but I believe it was mentioned as an ETA
09:30<hawk>(But now there are no ETAs on the information page)
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09:57<Vegar>hawk: does h4ckerx mean anything to you?
09:58<hawk>Not really
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10:00<Vegar>it was an old website on network security, and someone with the name hawk used to hang out in the accompanying IRC channel
10:03<hawk>ok, don't think that was me
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10:04<DeaneVenske>Has anyone experienced nodebalancers falsely reporing nodes down and removing them from the rotation?
10:05<DeaneVenske>We've set : Check Interval 40, Check Timeout 30, Check Attempts 30. And even while I'm on a server and getting great responsiveness the node balancer will report a machine as down
10:07<swaj>are the new Sandy Bridge Xeons decent for Xen? I mean from a price/performance perspective?
10:08<AlexC_>DeaneVenske: If you believe that's the case then you'd best open a support ticket
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10:16<n4rc>I am having an issue with php on linode, I have a job running daily that imports an XML file of around 240mb, now, the php process is using all the memory on linode and the OOM Killer is killing my PHP process, I did some calculations and DomDocument takes around 700mb of memory to load the file, what do you suggest?
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10:16<AlexC_>n4rc: Use a SAX parser not DomDocument
10:17<swaj>or stream the contents straight to disk and don't load the whole document into an object
10:17<swaj>(if PHP can even do that)
10:18<AlexC_>n4rc: for reference
10:18<AlexC_>swaj: Yes, using as sax parser will let you stream it instead of loading the entire thing
10:19<@heckman>that's saxy
10:19<n4rc>that is saxy2026.. ;)
10:19<n4rc>let me have a look...
10:19<AlexC_>Or you can use n4rc, both are options that will lower the memory usage
10:19<n4rc>i have all the code written and tested2026 :cry:
10:20<swaj>I'm thinking about getting myself a christmas present... custom-built SuperMicro box with twin Xeons for futzing around with SmartOS + KVM, but I can't decide whether to go Nehalem or Sandy Bridge :P
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10:21<AlexC_>n4rc: Time to rewrite it
10:21<swaj>no reason to load that whole document into memory is there? sounds like you need to rethink it :P
10:22<AlexC_>This reminds me of the old place I used to work with, trying to parse 700MB XML files with SimpleXML. I was not happy
10:22<swaj>XML should diaf, imo :P
10:22<AlexC_>Oh, and these very same developers thought that Google was a XSS exploit ...
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10:24<AlexC_>Their notion was that because you could edit the Google Search URL term query paramater, and that the text you entered would display on their website, that it was XSS
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10:31<hawk>swaj: You're stuck with single cpu and relatively low memory limit until SB-E, no? (Or am I mistaken about the SB Xeons?)
10:36<datagutt>AlexC: they didnt get the _scripting_ part?
10:36<AlexC_>datagutt: They generally didn't have a clue about anything
10:37<datagutt>So i guess they are thedailywtf worthy?
10:37<AlexC_>For example, I could very much link you to a website where the price for ecommerce products are stored in the HTML markup. Simply modify the HTML and set the price to £1, and add it to the cart. No server side validation
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11:02<Ftp>Hey guys, I cant download anything from my ftp, what could be the problem
11:02<Ftp>it says "file transfer failed"
11:03<Ftp>I havent changed anything since last time on my server, the only thing is that I have reinstalled my ftp program, filezilla
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11:05<@caker>1) don't use FTP. 2) Use SFTP, which is built into sshd
11:06<Ftp>I'm using sftp
11:06<Ftp>port 21? is that correct?
11:06<rnowak>default port for ssh is 22
11:07<@caker>no. port 21 is ftp
11:07<Ftp>i'm sorry i meant 22
11:08<@caker>JasonF: !
11:09<Ftp>the "logon type" is it supposed to be "normal" ?
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11:10<Ftp>it still doesnt work, I cant transfer files
11:10<rnowak>that's very unfortunate
11:11<LK->Ftp: you're evidently using FTP not SFTP
11:11<Ftp>ok it works now
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11:11<Ftp>somehow it does,
11:12<Ftp>thanks for the help!
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11:13<nyu|CGIIRC>Could anyone tell me the price of a Linode 1024 or a 2048 when paid every 24 months (that has 15% discount according to the site)?
11:14<@caker>monthly price * 24 months * .85
11:14<nyu|CGIIRC>Ok, thanks
11:15<nyu|CGIIRC>* 24 months is simply * 24, right?
11:17<nyu|CGIIRC>Christmas isn't so far away, I think I will get an 1536 or a 2048 because 40 GB storage is a bit small :P
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11:17*nyu|CGIIRC <3 WolframAlpha - sorry for being a little off-topic, I have to go now anyway
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11:18<rnowak>guys, what's 1+1?
11:18<rnowak>lol nvm just gonna use wolfram|alpha
11:18<@Perihelion>Go ask wolfram alpha
11:18<@Perihelion>rnowak: You are my soul mate.
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11:22<Nivex>zomg it's Perihelion!
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11:30<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel log entires in Performance and Tuning <>
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11:36<linbot>New news from forums: Installing APC on Ubuntu 10.04 in Performance and Tuning <>
11:36<rnowak>so he's having oom issues and wants to install APC, well then, that'll fix it all
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12:00<Nivex>For those of us who haven't drunk the Google Mail kool-aid, what's the current trend in anti-spam? spamassassin still popular, or have we moved on to other stuff?
12:01<HedgeMage>spamassassin is good for content-based protection, but you need to be using a good dnsbl too
12:02<Pryon>I suggest a combination of spamhaus and spameatingmonkey and spamcop. Not sure of the current feelings about using RBLs, but it works for me.
12:02<Nivex>I've been using inside postfix alongside spamassassin for awhile now
12:03<Nivex>never heard of spameatingmonkey. spamcop are bastards.
12:03<HedgeMage>Pryon: RBL is another term for a dnsbl
12:03<Pryon>Some are morally opposed to using them, that's what I was trying (and failing) to express
12:04<HedgeMage>Why on earth would someone be morally opposed to them? (As opposed to feigning moral outrage because their spam is being blocked)
12:04<Pryon>no idea
12:04<Nivex>ok, so it looks like I don't need to do any retooling. Thanks!
12:04<dzho>due process
12:05<Pryon>I'm not the government, so I have no obligation to provide due process
12:05<HedgeMage>dzho: You get due process when the government imposes something on you without your consent, not when people decide whether or not they care to hear from you.
12:05<nDuff>HedgeMage, about SpamCop? They're... let's say indiscriminate... in their operations.
12:06<dzho>IANAL but due process can be important in torts stuff, too. Like, if you are fired without cause, and your employer didn't follow their own procedures etc etc . . .
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12:06<HedgeMage>nDuff: I did not say SpamCop in particular, I said dnsbls -- the whole point is that every server admin can choose a list that follows policies/procedures they feel are appropriate
12:06<Pryon>Okay. I have no obligation to receive anybody's email
12:06<sirona>hi guys
12:07<sirona>and ladies
12:07<Pryon>(assuming I didn't contract to do so)
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12:07<dzho>Pryon: preaching to the choir, just trying to help folks see the other side of it
12:07<dzho>people do all sorts of weird stuff wrt to spam, I think a lot of the world's reaction to it has been to sign up to Facebook.
12:08<dzho>but I repeat myself.
12:08<Pryon>dzho: understood. I'm dealing with a customer who thinks people don't have the right to refuse his mail. It's...annoying.
12:09<dzho>Pryon: you have my full sympathy.
12:09<HedgeMage>Pryon: clients with built-in reality-distortion fields are irritating
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12:24<linbot>New news from forums: VHCS Question in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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12:45<vraa>anyone ever use a web thermostat?
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12:51<seanh-ansca>vraa: like with a temp probe that's accessible over an api or something?
12:52<seanh-ansca>vraa: i've used things like that for temp trending in our DC, query-able over snmp, they're often part of UPS's too
12:54<vraa>that might be a little too complex, im trying to find something where i can at least see historical data
12:54<vraa>i have 4 thermostats in the office, people keep messing with them
12:54<vraa>at lesat i want to graph the temps (actual temp and set temp)
12:54<vraa>i've seen arduino projects, buti can't scale that up
12:54<JasonF>caker: yep. Are you here?
12:55<JasonF>caker: if so, I should buy you a beer or three
12:55<JasonF>preferably three, after giving my tutorial
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12:58<seanh-ansca>vraa: graphing what it's set it is going to be your hard part imho
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13:00<seanh-ansca>vraa: alternately, forget the graphing and just use these :-p
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13:00<sirona>hey, what's the command to reset the root pwd in terminal?
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13:02<seanh-ansca>sirona: sudo passwd
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13:08<ghoti>Hi there. I'm trying to run an irc server on a linode in atlanta. I've tried using ports 7665..7669, 16665..16669 and 60665..60669. I can't believe that ALL these are "common" irc port ranges that are being filtered...
13:08<ghoti>My linode is running Debian. I've installed ircd-hybrid, done some configuration and started it, and I can see from `netstat -an | grep -w LISTEN` that it's listening on the ports I specified.
13:10<ghoti>I can also connect to those ports (using `nc`) and see IRC protocol headers. But I can't connect from outside. I see the connection attempt on my linode when I run tcpdump, but I don't see a response going out. How do I debug this?
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13:11<dcraig>is the ircd bound to your correct public IP?
13:12<jpark31>Hello, I setup a mail server using this guide and it receives mail but when I try to send mail, the SMTP isn't recognizing the password but it uses the same password to receive mail.
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13:12<jwbernin>ghoti: that smells like a host firewall getting in the way.
13:12<jpark31>Where should I start with this?
13:12<seanh-ansca>ghoti: sounds like a firewall, or you don't have a default gateway specified
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13:15<@heckman>ghoti: The upstream provider in the Atlanta facility filters common IRC ports. We can migrate you to a different facility to get around this.
13:15<dcraig>his argument is that he's not using common irc ports
13:16<@heckman>errr, oh
13:16<@heckman> -- I compiled this list back in May.
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13:16<@heckman>Er, August rather.
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13:18<ghoti>dcraig, yes, ircd seems to be bound to the correct IP.
13:18<dcraig>I'm joining team jwbernin then :D
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13:20<ghoti>heckman, that's why I was asking what were "common" IRC ports. Are the ones I specified common? I was thinging that only 6665..6669 would be filtered.
13:21<dcraig>that link has the list
13:21<dcraig>I don't think yours are on it
13:21<ghoti>jwbernin, how would I check for local firewall stuff? While I'd know where to look in freebsd, I'm afraid I'm not on top of this in debian. :-/
13:21<ghoti>heckman, thanks for the list -- I should read the whole channel before I post updates. :)
13:22<@heckman>iptables-save should show all currently iptables (firewall) rules
13:23<ghoti>*getting* the data isn't an issue... Understanding it is more of a challenge...
13:23<ghoti>I used shorewall once a while ago, but never poked directly at the iptables rules it produced.
13:23<dcraig>maybe it has some sort of "default deny" rule, and then you added specific exceptions for http, ssh, etc.
13:23<ghoti>Where would this be configured?
13:24<ghoti>`grep iptables /etc/init.d/*` gives me nothing...
13:25<ghoti>ah, /etc/init/ufw.conf ... but that doesn't seem to include any rules.
13:25<dcraig>perhaps the configuration files are in /etc/shorewall
13:25<ghoti>dcraig, if shorewall was installed on this linode, then sure, but I only played with shorewall years ago, not related to this linode.
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13:25<dcraig>oh ok
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13:26<seanh-ansca>ghoti: does ssh work?
13:26<dcraig>what was the output of that iptables-save command?
13:28<ghoti>dcraig: 138 lines of stuff I don't understand. But it seems that `ufw` may be in play here. I get a list of ALLOW rules from `ufw status`, and I'm reading its man page now.
13:28<dcraig>that's a lot of lines
13:28<dcraig>sounds like you installed a firewall at some point
13:29<ghoti>seanh-ansca: yes, as do http and https. I'm pretty sure there's a firewall here, as dcraig and jwbernin suggested.
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13:29<ghoti>dcraig: technically, it was the last guy who worked here, who resigned last month.. :-P
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13:30<seanh-ansca>ghoti: fw was my second guess, for all i know you have been getting on the box via lish and it doesn't actually have it's networking configured right :-p
13:30<walterheck>does anyone here know what payment gateway provide linode uses?
13:31<ghoti>Yaay - `sudo ufw allow 60667/tcp` solved my problem.
13:31<ghoti>thanks, folks.
13:31<sirona>is there some step i need to take before entering the "mkdir /srv/www/" command? (obviously with my site replacing ducklington)
13:32<seanh-ansca>sirona: "mkdir /srv/www/"
13:32<dcraig>I think the -p option makes parent directories for you
13:32<sirona>so no src?
13:32<seanh-ansca>dcraig: yes, i'm just being a smart ass
13:33<dcraig>I think the suggestion is that you might have to make the ducklington directory before you can put a src directory in it
13:33<dcraig>also, why don't you want a ducklington site? :P
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13:33<sirona>not cute enough :)
13:33<sirona>it won't even let me create the domain director
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13:33<seanh-ansca>do you have permission do make dir's there?
13:34<sirona>not sure... i'm logged in as root, so i was assuming so, but...
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13:34<vraa>seanh-ansca, you have some experience with microgoose? lol on the guards
13:34<vraa>this is what i wanted, but it's DIY
13:34<dcraig>does /srv/www exist?
13:34<sirona>i have to create that first? i'm just ignortant of the steps
13:34<seanh-ansca>vraa: no, i've used some of there other stuff though it it's good
13:35<dcraig>try mkdir -p /srv/www/
13:35<vraa>cost is high, considering a thermostat is like 100$?
13:35<seanh-ansca>vraa: the guards weren't really a joke to be honest, they are quite possibly the best solution to your problem
13:35<sirona>creating /srv/www/ seemed to work
13:35<vraa>well, i was hoping to scale up my solution to remote locations
13:35<vraa>upto 80
13:36<sirona>how do i look at dirs to make sure it created?
13:36<seanh-ansca>vraa: how many at a single site
13:36<vraa>upto 2, except at hq, where there are 4
13:36<dcraig>you could try ls /srv/www
13:36<dcraig>or you could change to the /srv/www directory first with cd /srv/www
13:36<dcraig>and then just type ls
13:37<seanh-ansca>vraa: i would look at getting network thermostats then, there are many companies that make them rs-485 controllable
13:37<dcraig>if you want some other non-root user to manage the site, you could set that user as owner of the directory and its contents
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13:38<sirona>thanks, guys
13:38<vraa>thanks ill google that
13:38<sirona>i will probably be back later to ask more questions.
13:38<sirona>really appreciate the help
13:39<seanh-ansca>vraa: normally they are hooked up to a controller box of some kind that has a web interface, where you can set temp schedules etc. for 80 control points i would seriously consider atleast getting advice from a local commercial hvac guy
13:40<vraa>yeah i think i might end up having to, i dont want to blow myself up
13:41<seanh-ansca>if you can do low voltage wiring you can do hvac control stuff, but there are nuances that you might not know about if you haven't done it before, hence atleast asking for advice :-p
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13:42<seanh-ansca>vraa: the honeywell excel controller was the last one that i used at a site of that scale (~100ish control points, mixed heat,ac,both)
13:42<bar_>any problems with some hosts on the fremont network ?
13:42<vraa>was that on same LAN?
13:43<seanh-ansca>vraa: the t-stats are all hooked up via a rs-485 bus, which i wired over the cat5 cable plant
13:43<seanh-ansca>vraa: but it wasn't ethernet until it hit the control box
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13:44<Tarun>Hi There
13:44<Tarun>has anyone tried to run a VNC from Ubuntu
13:45<seanh-ansca>vraa: you can send rs-485 over eth with adapters, but it gets expensive ($150 per adapter), and it's normally possible to get the serial stuff working right assuming your in the same building (shared ground plane)
13:45<bar_>I think I'm being ddosed by these addresses:
13:45<seanh-ansca>bar_: that's facebook
13:45<Tarun>I need to to monitor my web app from my home
13:46<@heckman>Tarun: This guy has done it. The full solution may not be what you need, but there is a section on VNC:
13:47<seanh-ansca>Tarun: nagios, pingdom, cacti… VNC seems like the wrong tool for that job
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13:47<linbot>New news from forums: Adding domains to automagicly. Linode API or work around??? in General Discussion <>
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13:47<seanh-ansca>SnoFox: neat!
13:48<SnoFox>seanh-ansca: PieSpy is like the most interesting thing in the world right now (to me) :p
13:48<Tarun>@heckman thanks, I will go through it and try doing it again :)
13:49<seanh-ansca>SnoFox: take a look at this
13:49<seanh-ansca>SnoFox: not quite the same thing, but along similar lines, plus it makes movies!
13:49<Tarun>@seanh-ansca, I am trying to develop on ruby application and i need to look at the pages locally, before deploying.
13:50<seanh-ansca>Tarun: have a staging site and a production site?
13:51<Tarun>i have just started things, don't know a lot
13:51<Tarun>using ROR
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13:52<seanh-ansca>that was more of a suggestion with a question mark at the end of it than a question
13:52<SnoFox>That is really cool, seanh-ansca.
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13:53<SnoFox>seanh-ansca: I'd love to see that working on the Linux kernel source. :p
13:53<Tarun>Yeah I will try to do it once I am near to something significant
13:53<Tarun>for now i need to view the app on firefox
13:53<Tarun>on Linode
13:54<Tarun>is there any way to get that done apart from setting up a VNC
13:54<seanh-ansca>SnoFox: oi, that would take for ever. Ive run it on an internal repo here. 100k files, maybe 10k commits. it ran for `hours` before producing anything useful
13:54<@heckman>Tarun: separate vhost for the dev content?
13:55<hawk>Tarun: Why do you need to run the browser on the linode?
13:55<SnoFox>seanh-ansca: I have time. :P
13:55<Tarun>to view the site locally
13:55<seanh-ansca>Tarun: you need to look at running firefox via xvfb and then connecting to it via vnc, or alternately just running firefox via x with a local display
13:55<SnoFox>Tarun: I don't see why that would ever need to be done. But perhaps you could trick it by using a SOCKS proxy.
13:56<SnoFox>Or some other proxy. Just as long as your app thinks it's coming from
13:56<Tarun>Is it really hard to run VNC on a linode
13:57<seanh-ansca>Tarun: it's just not done that often, and generally considered "bad practice"
13:57<hawk>Tarun: I wouldn't say "really hard", but it'll take some work and seems completely unnecessary
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13:58<seanh-ansca>Tarun: you could use ssh to get to "localhost" on the remote machine
13:58<hawk>Tarun: The browsing experience will probably not be that nice either
13:58<Tarun>I will try that firefox + xvfb
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13:58<hawk>Tarun: No, use the ssh tunneling (or socks) that was suggested
13:58<seanh-ansca>ssh -L3333:localhost:3333
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13:58<hawk>Tarun: Stop the running firefox on linode nonsense. Run firefox locally.
13:58<seanh-ansca>then connect to localhost:3333 on your machine
13:58<Tarun>Got it
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14:00<VPNPUZZLED>Can someone help with a PPTP VPN Server?
14:01<bar_>Anything wrong with fremont?
14:01<@heckman>Looks good from here.
14:01<seanh-ansca>bar_: other than being in fremont?
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14:01<@heckman>seanh-ansca: Gsource looks awesome
14:01<hawk>bar_: In general or right now?
14:02<seanh-ansca>heckman: it's alot of fun, if a little slow
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14:02<@heckman>VPNPUZZLED: We see you. Be patient.
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14:02*seanh-ansca waves at VPNPUZZLED
14:02<@heckman>VPNPUZZLED: Have you tried asking on the forums?
14:03<Tarun>Thanks everybody for helping, will try today and get back tomorrow :)
14:03<bar_>hawk: Right now.
14:04<SnoFox>heckman: Gsource all the things!
14:04<@heckman>I would Gsource my things. But it would be the most boring movie ever.
14:05<Tarun>Thanks Everybody
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14:05<seanh-ansca>heckman: i did a few trial runs on some repos i use all the time… turns out i'm the only one that commits to them :-p
14:05<seanh-ansca>(which i knew, i jut didn't think about how boring it would be)
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14:06*akerl waves to user6716
14:06<@heckman>Yes lots of us here.
14:06<@akerl>user6716: Until you ask us a question, nobody can potentially help you
14:06<user6716>Do you know how to setup a PPTP VPN server?
14:07<@heckman>I'm not sure anyone here currently knows how to set up a PPTP VPN server. Have you tried looking for articles on Google?
14:07<user6716>I have set one up, but my Mac shows traffic being sent but no traffic is being recieved.
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14:07<@akerl>user6716: That's the wrong kind of question. You're looking for a format similar to: "I am doing ____, I am getting _____ error/problem, what should I look at to fix it"
14:08<hawk>Yay, a Mac doing PPTP.. that's like the recipe for headaches...
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14:08<seanh-ansca>i actually had much better luck with pptp on osx than messing with ipsec
14:08<user6716>Would you like e to ask the question again using your structure?
14:08<seanh-ansca>granted this was to a pfsense machine
14:08<edoceo>user6716: routing issue, pptp on the "core" side, not routing back
14:09<Yaakov>Why is a Mac doing PPTP problematic?
14:09<user6716>yes, iptables I think
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14:09<hawk>Yaakov: I wish I knew, in that case I might have a chance of fixing it
14:09<user6716>It isn't showing any incoming traffic.
14:09<user6716>I have enabled sentd all traffic through the VPN but nothing is loading.
14:10<Yaakov>I have no problem at all with the OS X VPN client. It works perfectly.
14:10<hawk>Yaakov: (It's easy to set up and get it to connect, but it's just not stable)
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14:10<edoceo>user6716: routing on your VPN core side, as I said, it's not routing traffic back to your VPN client
14:11<user6716>Yes, I know the problem.
14:11<user6716>What I need to know is how to fix it.
14:11<Yaakov>hawk: I have used the OS X client for PPTP with more than one OS on the other end, never an issue with stability.
14:11<edoceo>If the problem is routing, in the router, then the solution is to configure the router properly
14:12<edoceo>Tell your vpn-host/server/device to route traffic to you
14:12<user6716>Rackspace I guess
14:12<linbot>New news from forums: Same error on all Hebrew websites in General Discussion <>
14:14<hawk>Yaakov: To be fair it's really just one PPTP connection that I ever use, but it has been unstable to the point of being almost useless both in 10.6 and 10.7. Windows on the other end, afaik. Works fine from windows and my android phone.
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14:15<hawk>Yaakov: I wouldn't rule out that there is some particular combination of settings or something like that which makes the OS X pptp client freak out
14:16<ChemicalKicks>HELLO aha hawk is here, is bob2 here too?
14:16<ChemicalKicks>I've got some good news
14:16<ChemicalKicks>I fixed it!!!
14:16<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
14:17<ChemicalKicks>Well last night I was melting hawk and bob2 trying to sort out my email issue, the way I sorted was to remove the zone records for from linode, put the control back to my registrar and boom al the emails started coming through
14:18<ChemicalKicks>So sorry for melting heads but also thank you for helping me! :)
14:19<SnoFox>I suppose that works.
14:20<hawk>ChemicalKicks: With the same zone data?
14:21<ChemicalKicks>hawk, yes for the mx records but no for a record etc
14:23<user6716>Rackspace said "We really don't support configurations. What I can do is ensure that your server is online."
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14:23<user6716>"This link may be helpful!"
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14:25<user6716>Useless so called "Fanatical Support"
14:25<@akerl>user6716: That's what unmanaged means
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14:29<user6716>I had a managed one with SolarVPS, but the Rackspace DC is down the road so the connection is a lot better.
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15:04*akerl is feeling the urge to hate on Arch
15:06*vodka hands akerl a linuxfromscratch install to keep up to date
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15:06<@akerl>heckman: Arch is so kind that it has python3 and python2, with 3 linked as "python"
15:06<@heckman>You are only realizing this now?
15:07<SnoFox>heckman: You should modify the Linode CP so that when we try to install Arch on our VPS, it warns us that "this is a bad idea".
15:07<lsabota>you can symlink /usr/bin/python to whatever you want aker1
15:07<@akerl>I've spent the past hour trying to get uwsgi/ configured, and was failing, despite telling my to use 2, and changing the symlink
15:07<Pryon>Hey, new == good amirite?
15:07<SnoFox>lsabota: Programs written for Arch's stupidty assume that /usr/bin/python is Python3.
15:08<@akerl>lsabota: Did that. But I did it *after* running make on uwsgi, not realizing that it was grabbing python3 when I did so
15:08*boba grabs popcorn
15:08<virhilo>akerl: use virtualenvs - problem solved:) (but yes it sucks;))
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15:09<lsabota>akerl: oh bummer; i mean you can always run make again
15:09<seanh-ansca>i vote write everything in brainf*ck and run it via python :)
15:09<@akerl>Yup, it's working now. But I was beating my head on the wall trying to figure out why uwsgi kept using 3 after I set everything to 2
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15:12<vodka>ln -s /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/python
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15:14<eagles0513875>mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm vodka hehe
15:14<lsabota>vodka: xD
15:14<eagles0513875>wait wtf
15:14<eagles0513875>vodka: why you symlinking perl with py thon
15:14<vodka>eagles0513875, don't take me too seriously :)
15:15<vodka>sort of responding to [21:07:14] <lsabota> you can symlink /usr/bin/python to whatever you want
15:15<eagles0513875>im not seeing as your name is vodka im just taking it ur destroying a perfectly good linode you must be inebreated
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15:20<@heckman>aker1: so no Arch rage then?
15:20<SnoFox>No, he's just Russian. :p
15:21<SnoFox>eagles0513875: That's a lot of numbers, btw.
15:21<KingTarquin>SnoFox: o/
15:21<SnoFox>KingTarquin: \o
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15:23<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: arguably if he really doesn't need python it would make the unneeded symlink do `something` :-p
15:24<eagles0513875>btw hi SnoFox
15:24<eagles0513875>SnoFox: i got a 2nd linode :D
15:24<SnoFox>eagles0513875: Buy ALL the Linodes!
15:25<@akerl>heckman: Meh. It works now.
15:25<eagles0513875>SnoFox: hahah wish i could :P
15:25<SnoFox>Infinite computing powah!
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15:26<Daevien>akerl: arch on server = bad, k? :p
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15:26<SnoFox>What Daevien said.
15:26<Daevien>and i say it as someone that uses arch on my main system :p
15:26<eagles0513875>atm ubuntu 10.04 on linode = bad
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15:27<eagles0513875>damn mysql workbench isnt connecting to it ovr ssh
15:27<eagles0513875>either that or there is a bug in workbench
15:27<SnoFox>Ubuntu/Arch are bad servers, imo.
15:27<Daevien>eagles0513875: or you fail as doing ssh tunnels
15:27<Daevien>as = at
15:27<eagles0513875>Daevien: no i dont fail
15:27<eagles0513875>its odd ubuntu it doesnt work
15:27<Daevien>SnoFox: if you say use centos, we have the right to beat you with heavy objects
15:28<eagles0513875>yet when i connect with workbench onto my fedora vps which im trying to phase out it connects no problem
15:28<eagles0513875>Daevien: i just wanna beat centos with heavy objects instead of SnoFox
15:28<@akerl>SnoFox: Why do you feel that Arch isn't a good server OS?
15:28<seanh-ansca>what's wrong with 10.04 as a server?
15:28<Daevien>eagles0513875: i highly doubt it's ubuntu, more liek something you didn't configure the way you want it
15:28<eagles0513875>seanh-ansca: nothing
15:28<eagles0513875>Daevien: on my other mac my laptop it works just fine
15:28<eagles0513875>i dunno
15:29<eagles0513875>seanh-ansca: i use nothing but ubuntu
15:29<robbbie>eagles0513875: are you issuing an ssh command? try adding -vvv
15:29<eagles0513875>lol im not saying anything against it
15:29<eagles0513875>robbbie: im doing it via mysql workbench so i cannot issue a command like that
15:29<eagles0513875>i can ssh into it just fine via terminal
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15:29<Daevien>so it's a workbench config issue then prob
15:30<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875> atm ubuntu 10.04 on linode = bad
15:30<SnoFox>akerl: Its bleeding edge style causes lots of breakage. Servers are supposed to be stable. When you randomly switch out python for python3 and break all my Python stuff, including Arch's own rankmirrors script (iirc), I find that a bad thing on a server.
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15:30<@akerl>SnoFox: The answer there is "Don't blindly upgrade".
15:30<robbbie>a lot of times you don't want to use the package manager or repos for things like python or ruby, etc.
15:31<@akerl><3 pacman; it expects you to be smart and do your job
15:31<SnoFox>Gentoo > Debian-based > Arch
15:31<eagles0513875>seanh-ansca: no compared to other os's ubuntu 10.04 = rock solid and fine
15:31<eagles0513875>think workbench is the issue
15:32<eagles0513875>but whats odd is how i can connect on one mac and not the other
15:32<robbbie>wth is workbench anyway? >:P
15:32<eagles0513875>mysql workbench
15:32<robbbie>never used it myself
15:32<eagles0513875>they end of lifed query browser and administrator and merged them into one application with the added feature of being able to use EED's
15:32<eagles0513875>in a nut shell graphical front end for mysql
15:33<eagles0513875>which is a million times better then phpmyadmin junk
15:34<eagles0513875>i killed chat it seems
15:36<dcraig>talking smack about phpmyadmin is guaranteed to piss everyone off :P
15:37<seanh-ansca>mysql cli ftw!
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15:42<EugeneKay>HeidiSQL <3
15:42<eagles0513875>dcraig: maybe it will but before you lash out at me try out mysql workbench
15:42<eagles0513875>then ull realize what a piece of crap phpmyadmin really is
15:42<eagles0513875>oh joy i have a glitchy ps2 mouse on this pc
15:42<dcraig>I was joking
15:43<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: make sure you clean your ball
15:43<eagles0513875>seanh-ansca: ?
15:43<dcraig>also scrape the crap off the rollers
15:43<dcraig>sometimes tweezers are helpful
15:43<eagles0513875>i have no idea what you guys are on about im mentally and physically worn out this evening
15:43<dcraig>the sorta diagonal roller that is all springy is kinda difficult to work with
15:44<eagles0513875>damn i need to get hold of the source code for the crm i am using and revamp it lol
15:44<seanh-ansca>i was assumine ps2 mouse == ball mouse, and then making a pun about you cleaning your singular ball
15:45*seanh-ansca is snarky today
15:45<dcraig>I recently bought two ps/2 optical mice
15:45<eagles0513875>no laser mouse actually
15:45<eagles0513875>mines optical 2
15:45<eagles0513875>its bout 4 yrs old now lol
15:45<dcraig>I was really excited I'd have a scroll wheel, but then it turns out NT 4 doesn't have native support for scroll wheels :(
15:46<eagles0513875>starts acting up i just give it a smack a few times on my desk lol
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15:46<EugeneKay>Why not?
15:46<eagles0513875>its a computer mouse
15:47<seanh-ansca>dcraig: iirc you could install the logitec stuff to get scroll working, but i haven't touched nt4 in 12 years?
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15:47<EugeneKay>For good reason, too.
15:48<dcraig>well there aren't XP drivers for these ISA cards...
15:48<eagles0513875>why run winblows to begin with
15:48<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: other than there are good business cases for it? (end user familiarity etc)
15:49<seanh-ansca>dcraig: what in the world are you doing, maintaining a museum?
15:49<eagles0513875>seanh-ansca: im sure microsoft EOLed it ages ago why run something thats not getting updates and patches etc
15:49<EugeneKay>ISA cards still exist?
15:49<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: i was talking about the generic windows comment, i agree about the nt4 thing oi
15:49<EugeneKay>I thought they were outlawed for human rights reasons along with IRQs years ago.
15:49<dcraig>the computers are hooked up to some old instruments
15:50<eagles0513875>sry seanh-ansca i didnt mean to offend you with the windows comment
15:50<eagles0513875>only use i have for it is gaming other then that i can live happily on mac and linux
15:50<EugeneKay>Also, I just tried to install MySQL Workbench. First thing the installer did was error out because I don't have some Visual C++ redistrubitable
15:50<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: i just get annoyed at silly os wars
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15:50<EugeneKay>And that's as far as I care to bother.
15:50<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: the visual c++ 2010
15:50<eagles0513875>lol and you need the .net 4.0 client framework too
15:51<EugeneKay>Yeah, that. If they can't be arsed to package it, I won't be bothering.
15:51<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: you have linux
15:51<EugeneKay>In a VM, I suppose.
15:51<eagles0513875>try it in a linux vm
15:51<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: i gotta be honest i cant be assed with alot of things if they are only on windows
15:51<eagles0513875>thats why it blows lol :p
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15:52<EugeneKay>I'm gonna agree with mikegrb
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15:53<eagles0513875>woot 155 out of 444 tables imported onto my new linode which is going to be my web server :)
15:54<eagles0513875>is it possible with squirrelmail to have it connect to a remote mail server or does squirrelmail need to be installed on the same machine as the mail server itself
15:57<dcraig>I've used a squirrelmail install that got its mail from another server...
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15:58<eagles0513875>ok kool dcraig
15:59<EugeneKay>AFAIK it works over IMAP
15:59<eagles0513875>right now top priority is getting my websites migrated and domains and mx entries etc
15:59<eagles0513875>even imaps
16:00<EugeneKay>"It can be installed on almost all web servers as long as PHP is present and the web server has access to an IMAP and SMTP server."
16:00<eagles0513875>ok kool :)
16:00<EugeneKay>Should be no problem, then.
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16:00<eagles0513875>ya right now i want to get my sites migrated and get rid of my godaddy vps and get the rest of my money back on it
16:01<EugeneKay>I wonder why Linode hasn't gotten into the registrar business
16:01<@caker>$0.50/year isn't worth it.
16:01<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: its not cheap to get into it dude
16:02<EugeneKay>enom reselling at-cost isn't /that/ hard.
16:02<eagles0513875>need at least from what i remember looking up as i wanted to take my business in that direction you need to spend at least 50,000 a year in IANA fees
16:02<eagles0513875>its rather rediculous tbh
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16:03<eagles0513875>does linode own their own dc's or do they colocate servers in a number of dc's
16:03<EugeneKay>Bah, maybe I'm just spoiled... family business used to be the only alternate registrar.
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16:05<eagles0513875>would love to setup my own dc and isp here in malta
16:05<eagles0513875>the 2 isps we have here are crap
16:06<eagles0513875>adn the dc i worked at is majorly over priced
16:06<@heckman>Have fun with that
16:06<EugeneKay>DC costs boil down to power bills
16:07<EugeneKay>Unless you're based in Canada, every watt you burn on servers had to be burnt again in the A/C plant.
16:07<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: i know
16:07<eagles0513875>here in malta its super expensive
16:07<eagles0513875>the dc i worked at hell they paid for one month of electricity i noticed 30 thousand euros
16:08<eagles0513875>but here companies dont know how to take advantage of alternative electricity
16:08<eagles0513875>we have alot of wind and sun here
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16:08<eagles0513875>and thats what im aiming at at running low power consuming server arm based or intel atom based
16:08<eagles0513875>and use green energy to be selfsustainable from the grid
16:10<eagles0513875>heckman: and EugeneKay check out these guys :D
16:10<eagles0513875>they use intel atom n550 dual core procs which are also 64bit
16:10<eagles0513875>and in 1 10U server you have 512 cores
16:10<eagles0513875>if you watch the video or one of the videos i saw they said in a 15ft by 20 ft room
16:10<eagles0513875>they were hosting 20,000 servers
16:11<eagles0513875>they use modular card design as well :)
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16:11<eagles0513875>u guys are speechless regarding seamicro servers?
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16:16<zoolert>help linode tech
16:16<zoolert>I could not boot up my system!!!
16:16<eagles0513875>did you hit the power on button ?
16:17<eagles0513875>the boot button
16:17<zoolert>yes, but it failed three times
16:19<dwfreed>zoolert: usually the manager will tell you exactly why the boot failed; in any case, it's usually faster to open a support ticket, then a staff member can poke your linode and figure out why it's not booting, and either fix it, or tell you what you need to do for it to work
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16:21<zoolert>please help I got the message /dev/xvda has been mounted 39 times without being check, check force
16:21<zoolert>what does it meat?
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16:22<seanh-ansca>eagles0513875: what kind of heat load does that output at that density?
16:23<seanh-ansca>assuming you're doing VM's you might be able to get larger beefier machines doing the same work
16:23<dwfreed>zoolert: that just means that you've rebooted your linode a fair amount and the automated disk checker is just verifying that the disk is okay
16:23<@caker>reboot and let the fsck finish - don't control-c it
16:23<zoolert>ok, how long does it take?
16:23<@caker>until it's done - usually just a few minutes
16:23<tjfontaine>what can you tell me about JaqueN JaqueP Jaque JakeF and Guest19118? other than what I already know they're all coming from the same host
16:24<zoolert>[/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /] fsck.ext3 -a /dev/xvda /dev/xvda has been mounted 40 times without being checked, check forced.
16:24<dwfreed>zoolert: yes, just let it run; it's harmless
16:24<zoolert>do you think it will come up?
16:25<@caker>tjfontaine: cgi peeps looks like ... probably zombied by now
16:26<zoolert>dwfreed, how long does it take for fsck to run?
16:26<tjfontaine>caker: ya, I mean it's the same ip through the cgi, it's amazing some of those have idle times upwards of 3 days :)
16:26<dwfreed>EugeneKay: BRAINS!
16:26<tjfontaine>caker: do you mind if I kill them off?
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16:26<dwfreed>zoolert: like caker said, until it finishes; it usually only takes a minute or to, but sometimes can take up to 10
16:26<tjfontaine>caker: triggering an error since another client is trying to connect from that ip
16:26<@caker>oh gotcha -- you'd be amazed .. a year or two goes by before I end up killall-ing those or restarting that box .. a surprising amount of them are hangers-on and drop off the channel
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16:26<@caker>go for it, tjfontaine
16:27<ajmitch>fun, zombie killing
16:27<zoolert>thanks everyone, it going back up now
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16:27<avenj>+1 for ruthlessness, -1 for lack of creative kill messages
16:27<@caker>tjfontaine: did we hit the conn limit?
16:27<avenj>tjfontaine: <3
16:28<tjfontaine>caker: the global limit wasn't hit, you're in the same class as mibbit, but there's a user@host limit that we don't usually except
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16:28<@caker>ok .. yeah more worried about conlimit than user@host
16:29<@caker>moar conn for my bolg!
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16:29<tjfontaine>ya I generally just up the limit when you or mibbit hit it :)
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16:37<swaj>caker: you should go killall those processes and see how man people drop :P
16:37<SnoFox>Login to every Linode and killall irssi/weechat/screen.
16:38<tjfontaine>swaj: larger count are those irc'ing from * :)
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16:39<azaghal>Don't touch my irssi session, damn it :/
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16:40<swaj>man, 768 cores of 1.66 GHz Atom processors, rofl
16:40<swaj>I'd like to make -j700 or something with the linux kernel on a box like that
16:41<swaj>see it compile in 30 seconds
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16:41<tjfontaine>except for all that io
16:41<swaj>yeah :P
16:41<kamilion>SnoFox: Okay, what'd you do? screen[25768]: segfault at bf6681f0 ip 0804d91d sp bf6681f0 error 6 in screen[8048000+57000]
16:42<swaj>kamilion: learn2tmux :P
16:42<SnoFox>kamilion: Kill ALL the screens!
16:42*kamilion laughs
16:42<SnoFox>kamilion: Lose all the IRC sessions :(
16:42<kamilion>swaj: Will do that, I was procrastinating with byobu.
16:42<Nivex>those of us using tmux are safe
16:43<SnoFox>kamilion: Where'd you randomly pull that error message from anyway? Lol
16:43<swaj>I think I might need a new irssi theme, this one is getting boring :P
16:43<SnoFox>mikegrb: I will eat you.
16:43<kamilion>screen died sometime last night
16:44<SnoFox>Oh, wow, screen crashes are in dmesg?
16:44<kamilion>segfaults, yeah.
16:44<SnoFox>I could've used that a while ago. :<
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16:44<SnoFox>I hit something and screen crashed.
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16:46<kamilion>eh, doesn't bug me at all really
16:46<kamilion>weechat was connected to a bnc anyway
16:47<kamilion>I'm not sure if the rest of the terminals managed to save their history though
16:47<kamilion>my .bash_history seems awfully small :/
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16:53<swaj>man I didn't eat lunch today...
16:53<swaj>I'm freakin hungry
16:54<swaj>Perihelion: make me a sammich
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16:57<tom>how to empy my q mail?
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17:00<bob2>you're using qmail?
17:02<bob2>is it too late to change
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17:02<tjfontaine>well theres your problem
17:02<Tanner>swaj: neither did I :(
17:03<edoceo>mmmmm tacos
17:03<tom>i need to delete only one email from my mail queue. How do i do that?
17:03<edoceo>tom: stop qmail, remove the file from the queue dir
17:03<edoceo>start qmail
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17:05<tom>is there any way to delete an email that stuck in the queue for a long time without stop/start qmail?
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17:13<tom>thanks edoceo, I got that but need to find away that I don't have stop qmail.
17:13<edoceo>you can remove the file while it's running, there are no file locks
17:14<JakeFS>question: if we buy 2 linodes (1DB and 1web server), do we get to use cumulative transfer on the web node? OR is it per-node trasfer allotment?
17:14<@heckman>All transfer is pooled on your account
17:14<@heckman>You can even use the private network so your Linodes have low-latency communication that doesn't tax the transfer pool.
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17:14<@heckman>Private network only works in the same DC, however.
17:15<JakeFS>so we can use up the entire pool on the Web server?
17:15<@heckman>Incoming traffic is free also, so you only get taxed for outgoing traffic
17:16<seanh-ansca>JakeFS: i hit my load bal's transfer limit in ~24 hrs, and use all my other nodes bandwidth pool for the rest of the month ;-p
17:16<seanh-ansca>so it really does work that way
17:16<JakeFS>also, what's a good linode spec to deploy HAProxy?
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17:17<JakeFS>what is a good linode spec to deploy HAProxy on?
17:17<tjfontaine>perhaps you are interested in the NodeBalancer product?
17:18<JakeFS>NodeBalancer will work. Just want to compare it to HAProxy
17:18<seanh-ansca>i would use the nodebal unless there's something that it's missing (like ssl termination )
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17:18<JakeFS>ssl is something we will definitely need
17:19<JakeFS>so HAProxy is still a good contender
17:19<seanh-ansca>i do nginx+pacemaker as lb's for my web stuff, and nodebal for a different project (a rest api that doesn't need ssl)
17:19<bob2>haproxy <3
17:19<@caker>better to horizontally scale ssl across the backends. also, haproxy itself doesn't do ssl
17:19<seanh-ansca>you can do ssl via nodebal but you have to do the termination of the ssl connection on the web server instead of the lb
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17:20<seanh-ansca>just depends on your setup and how you want to do it
17:20<bob2>JakeFS, coincidentally, lowest end linode costs exactly as much as a nodebalancer instance
17:20<@caker>except NodeBalancer is in an clustered HA setup, which would require at least a couple Linodes to replicate
17:20<bob2>only sad part is that all of the above aside from pacemaker loses the client IP for ssl
17:21<seanh-ansca>bob2: forwarded-for?
17:21<bob2>seanh-ansca, not supported by haproxy or nodebalancer
17:21<JakeFS>interesting... I thought there is a workaround for SSL on HAProxy?.
17:21<@caker>NodeBalancer is also: point, click, and you're done.
17:21<seanh-ansca>bob2: … i think i'm using it behind a NB...
17:21*seanh-ansca goes and checks
17:22<bob2>forwarded-for would require terminating the ssl stream
17:22<seanh-ansca>in ssl
17:22<dwfreed>bob2: or MITMing it :)
17:22<seanh-ansca>i'm using my nb in http mode with no ssl
17:22<bob2>haproxy has a bit of hack in 1.5 that """encapsulates""" ssl in a protocol that can forward the client ip
17:22<bob2>I don't know what backends work with it
17:23<seanh-ansca>bob2: now i see what you mean, i think you're right
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17:38<nealey>did undernet block all dallas linodes or just me?
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17:39<tjfontaine>neale: waiting, waiting ...
17:41<SnoFox>... Waiting...
17:41<SnoFox>Oh, let me check. I'm in Dallas.
17:41<SnoFox>What's undernet's address? ?
17:42<tjfontaine> will suffice
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17:42<SnoFox>02:42pm [UN] Your host is, running version u2.10.12.14
17:42<tjfontaine>neale: seems I hit just a slow node, I'm in
17:43<SnoFox>This, btw:
17:43<SnoFox>02:41pm [UN] (*** Ident broken or disabled, to continue to connect you must type /QUOTE PASS 14613
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17:43<SnoFox>Is annoying
17:43<linbot>New news from forums: Deploying two VMs on one linode in General Discussion <>
17:43<SnoFox>Uh... Wat?
17:44<neale>I wonder what bot they think I'm running, because I'm certainly not aware of any.
17:44<SnoFox>What, they banned you?
17:45<SnoFox>What is Undernet's normal ban method, btw? AKill? K:line?
17:45<SnoFox>What. Practically every network seems to have their own word for "ban".
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17:46<SnoFox>Oh I gotta hear this.
17:46<SnoFox>Come on tethering, don't fail me now!
17:46<neale>tjfontaine: odd. every time I said "" it was sending me to quebec.
17:46<SnoFox>MC++ XD
17:46<kyhwana>Hurrah, im at home *answers that silly forum post*
17:47<tjfontaine>neale: their rotation is huge, I blame dns
17:47<SnoFox>OH MY GOD CAKER
17:47<SnoFox>That is amazing!
17:47<@caker>SnoFox: it is _the_ best nerd song, ever.
17:47<@caker>you should read the lyrics
17:48<SnoFox>I'm trying not to flip out with laughter in the middle of the student commons right now.
17:49<SnoFox>I might have to finish this later.
17:49<linbot>New news from wiki: Internal Services <>
17:49<SnoFox>Yeah, brb, gotta head to class.
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17:51<disinpho>anyone here running wordpress on nginx?
17:51<@heckman>I do it. Don't ask me how it works tho as I set it up a long time ago, hah
17:51<disinpho>mine is working, but it wont generate thumbnails i think it might be gd-related
17:51<@heckman>Ah, I've not tried to do anything thumbnail-wise.
17:52<tjfontaine>disinpho: probably your rewrites for images not passing to index.php
17:52<disinpho>ah, that makes sense
17:53<disinpho>i use try_files $uri $uri/ /index.php;
17:53<tjfontaine>yes but do you have a clause for images?
17:53<tjfontaine>say for caching purposes?
17:53<disinpho>i only have one for location ~ \.php$ {
17:54<disinpho>for fastcgi
17:54<tjfontaine>ok well I think the issue is still in rewrites, check your logs for the 404s
17:55<disinpho>i managed to get a TimThumbs error at one point
17:55<disinpho>it indicated GD
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17:55<disinpho>ill check the logs, might have been both
17:55<@heckman>disinpho: I'd be very careful with TimThumbs
17:55<disinpho>since installing gd didnt work
17:55<tjfontaine>disinpho: after you install php-gd you'd need to restart the php workers
17:56<disinpho>i did a service nginx restart only
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18:01<SnoFox>Back. caker, that's awesome.
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18:02<disinpho>I cant figure out whats wrong now, still cant choose image sizes in wordpress but i can upload and delete files via wordpress
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18:03<disinpho>at least now GD shows up in phpinfo as it should
18:04<disinpho>a reboot worked, must have been the php workers(?) cause nginx restart didnt
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18:16<seanh-ansca>anyone played with getting swig 2.0 onto lucid?
18:16<bob2>what for
18:16<tjfontaine>ohgod swig
18:17<seanh-ansca>binding c module to lua?
18:17<tjfontaine>just hand make the binding
18:17<bob2>i mean
18:17<bob2>did someone make you use swig 2.0
18:17<bob2>or are you asking how to write your own bindings
18:17<tjfontaine>swig rarely speeds up the process of bindings
18:18<seanh-ansca>no, but there's a bug in the version that shipts with 10.04 re behavior in lua
18:18<tjfontaine>process of creating
18:18<seanh-ansca>tjfontaine: i would agree, but some one already wrote the swig code for the lib i'm trying to build
18:18<@heckman>tjfontaine: long time no see. How you been?
18:18<seanh-ansca>like, i already have it compiling
18:18<tjfontaine>heckman: alive my friend, alive
18:18<seanh-ansca>if that wasn't the case i totally agree, i'm just following the path of least resistance
18:19<@heckman>Haha. I guess that's a good way to look at it. ;p
18:19<tjfontaine>seanh-ansca: seems to be failing that righ tnow
18:19<tjfontaine>heckman: indeed
18:19<seanh-ansca>tjfontaine: well, it's still much less time that me binding it myself
18:19<seanh-ansca>i'll give it another hour or two and then just do it by hand
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18:44<linbot>New news from forums: VHCS Question in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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18:51<apocalypse>Hello can, anybudy help me configuring munin for my linode?
18:51<@heckman>apocalypse: Have you looked at the Linode Library articles?
18:52<sirpengi>who is the tech on duty?
18:52<sirpengi>heckman: ^^
18:52<@heckman>Where the heck did you find that URL?
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18:52<apocalypse>Hi heckman, yes I did followed the linode Library, but all I got is an 403 error when I try to access the munin
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18:53<@heckman>That means that Apache2 cannot read the files for some reason. You'll want to check file permissions.
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18:54<apocalypse>So if I chmod 755 on the DocumentRoot for munin it'll work?
18:55<bd_>apocalypse: also all subdirectories need to have og+x, and all files have to have og+x
18:55<bd_>og+r for the files
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18:58<sirpengi>heckman: friends says he got it off of google
18:58<@heckman>What did he search for?
18:58<bd_>Your search - inurl:dists.cfm - did not match any documents.
18:58<apocalypse>heckman: I already have the permissions ok, for files and folders, and all I get is an: "You don't have permission to access / on this server." on the browser
18:59<bd_>apocalypse: you're probably missing an index.html, and don't have indexes enabled
18:59<bd_>either that or you're missing +r on the directory and/or index file
18:59<sirpengi>heckman: was looking for drive specs on linode
18:59<@heckman>apocalypse: So either your vhost isn't pointing to the directory you think it is.
18:59<@heckman>OIr the permissions are broken.
18:59<sirpengi>trying to figure out what the 'nodes run on
18:59<@heckman>sirpengi: they run on servers
19:00<bob2>$undisclosed drives from [redacted]
19:00*heckman has no idea how he got that site...
19:00<@heckman>Did he read an old forums post, maybe?
19:01<bd_> has it from aug 2010:
19:01<bd_>so not so old post maybe?
19:02<@heckman>> year = old
19:02<bd_>no, _this_ is old: :)
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19:02<sirpengi>anyhow, you guys should just do redirect or have an actual 404
19:04<bd_> Just look at those server specs! A whole 3GB of RAM! 200GB RAID-1 disks! Talk about high-end!
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19:07<bob2>wonder where hosts 1-8 were
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19:12<X-LP>64mb ram :x
19:12<bob2>linode64 man
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19:15<vraa>ubuntu isn't listed?
19:15<@caker>ubuntu didn't exist.
19:16<bob2>ubuntu didn't exist until ~july 2004
19:16<bob2>(first release in october 2004)
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19:27<EugeneKay>That wasn't Xen, was it?
19:32<linbot>New news from forums: Recommendations on getting started ? in General Discussion <>
19:37<kamilion>ahhh, I remember those versions of Red Hat. Before RHEL...
19:38<kamilion>Fedora Core 1... *chuckles*
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19:38<tonyyarusso>I found FC3 running on servers at work in 2008.
19:39<kamilion>Air gap'd?
19:39<dwfreed>tonyyarusso: with holes the size of urmom?
19:40<tonyyarusso>I didn't even want to know - we just did a quick inventory of what was running on them and replaced them with Ubuntu.
19:40*kamilion loves how easy you made that sound
19:41<tonyyarusso>It probably took 2 weeks total.
19:42<kamilion>I still have a couple embedded machines running 2.4... I don't even want to think about what could sneak into them, heh
19:44<kamilion>bout time to retire them, I could probably sweep them all into a decent home router these days... think those buffalo WZR series are around 600Mhz with 128MB.
19:45<tonyyarusso>What sorts of tasks are they doing?
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19:48<kamilion>one's a linksys NSLU2 running debian, dealing with a USB serial converter and a 30GB USB harddrive, another 120Mhz arm devkit board doing logging to network, some other misc tasks, mostly cheap arms with old USB disk enclosures I had laying around
19:49<kamilion>alot of them cost more than one of those buffalo routers at $65
19:50<kamilion>been waiting on some cheap ARM stuff like the raspberrypi and beaglebone
19:51<kamilion>reaching up into the Ghz range finally
19:54<spaden>My Linode went down?
19:54<spaden>The server at is taking too long to respond. <- on the web page
19:54<spaden>DNS seems to be working locally..
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19:57<spaden>Seems to be a local issue.
19:57<spaden>Is anyone getting this...
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20:02<kyhwana>uh oh
20:03<kyhwana> My dallas node cant ping, my dsl connection at home can
20:03<encode>my fremont node can ping
20:04<bob2>can you ping
20:05<encode>does it exist?
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20:07<kyhwana>it should do
20:08<kyhwana>but, does
20:08<kyhwana>can't do reverse either..
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20:13<@heckman>Hm, that filter is interesting
20:13<@heckman>I'd forgotten that range had been released.
20:13<dwfreed>Hmm, I wonder what Hamachi uses now that 5/8 has been debogoned
20:13<kyhwana>heckman: I assume that's theplanet/networklayer doing that? or you guys?
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20:13<kyhwana>dwfreed: still 5/8 afaik
20:13<@heckman>Not us.
20:14<kyhwana>heckman: can you bump that to whoever is the upstream in dallas?
20:14<Nivex>exhaust all the IPs!
20:14<dwfreed>kyhwana: a traceroute might tell you; my uni's pings to 128/8 is filtered by our isp's router
20:15<@heckman>Looks like it may be outside of their network. But I may be able to give em a poke.
20:15<KyleXY>heckman: in the dallas datacenter?
20:15<kyhwana> is a mtr
20:15<KyleXY>heckman: On my node: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
20:15<@heckman>What are you breaking?
20:15<KyleXY>that's just me nevermind
20:16<KyleXY>no idea why the fuck that isn't working but me
20:16<KyleXY>anywho: better result.
20:16<KyleXY>16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms
20:16<dwfreed>Charter works (at least in Michigan)
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20:52<maushu>"Your time is spent firefighting and your money all goes to the nice people at Linode."
20:52<maushu>I don't think they mind.
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20:58<EugeneKay>the freemium busines model works well.
20:59<EugeneKay>Github, for instance.
20:59<fo0bar>> DISCLAIMER: I run a paid bookmarking site. Every morning I wake up and dive into my vault of golden coins.
21:00<bob2>works well [for some business models in some markets]
21:00<fo0bar>I run a free bookmarking site. I haven't made one cent from it, but that's ok because I built it for myself, and occasionally someone else uses it :)
21:00<poutine>EugeneKay, Is github rolling in money or something? I'm not sure they can be considered a success story yet
21:00<poutine>they sure as hell are dishonest with their "number of repos" quote
21:00<poutine>every patch, every pastebin entry is a repo to github's stats on repo hosting
21:00<EugeneKay>poutine - they're making enough money to keep the lights on independently ;-)
21:01<bob2>oh no
21:01<poutine>EugeneKay, eh I think you're ill informed on this one, how do you know they're not burning through VC?
21:01<EugeneKay>The fact that they haven't taken and VC
21:02<EugeneKay>An article from last year on the topic:
21:02<rnowak>VC is the death of visions, you sell your soul!
21:02<poutine>I stand corrected on the VC issue
21:03<poutine>I'm still not convinced on how healthy their financials are
21:03<EugeneKay>Me neither - they're a private company. But they're not jacking up rates, and their Blog says they're hiring(and growing) at a decent clip.
21:04<EugeneKay>In much the same way that Linode is clearly not burning the VC funding they don't have ;-)
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21:04<poutine>I'm not convinced of linode's financial success yet either, but I do like them as a company
21:05<EugeneKay>3-year growth: 1097%
21:05<poutine>I worked for a company that was 69 on that list a few years ago that is now in shambles
21:05<EugeneKay>I don't doubt it.
21:05<poutine>it's a tough world, up and coming startups aren't really the best indicator for long term success
21:05<Nivex>Linode's just a bunch of geeks working out of a tiny office! (and I wouldn't have it any other way :)
21:05<EugeneKay>Never underestimate the ability of a CEO to snort the profits.
21:06<@heckman>We've been doing this for 8 years.
21:06*akerl enjoys the tiny office.
21:06<@heckman>Not sure startup still applies.
21:06<poutine>not that jed has ever badmouthed the company, but he clearly found better prospects
21:06<Nivex>"Each according to their gifts."
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21:08<technocrat>\join #anchor
21:09<Nivex>\paragraph What is this? \LaTeX ?
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21:12<Nivex>! Too many }'s.
21:12<tonyyarusso>Oh god
21:13<@Perihelion>My brain :(
21:13<rnowak>all the apostrophe's
21:13<dwhite>I was talking with some folks last night about what they thought about Webmin...
21:13<dwhite>My Goal: To give my web hosting clients (on multiple, separate domains) an easy way to manage their own passwords for email, SFTP accounts, etc...
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21:14<dwhite>So after talking w/ some folks last night about webmin, I got to thinking: Why not use LDAP? I use Drupal on my own website, and can integrate that with LDAP so that users can change their password through the Drupal interface
21:14<tonyyarusso>Apostrophe ALL the things!
21:14-!-atula [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:14<dwhite>(that's also where I handle my support tickets)
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21:14<rnowak>If you know what you're doing with LDAP, go ahead, if you don't, you're in for a ride, maybe.
21:14<tonyyarusso>dwhite: That works
21:15*tonyyarusso needs to learn more about ldap
21:15<dwhite>My thought is this: use OpenLDAP. I already use Postfix, and it can support LDAP, as can Dovecot (my email authentiation). I already know how to get Drupal configured properly to change LDAP passwords
21:15<dwhite>So... yeah. Seems like a really good solution
21:16<StevenK>tonyyarusso: LDAP is good, learn it.
21:16<dwhite>What are you guys' thoughts on using it for multiple domains, though?
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21:16<dwhite>instead of 1 domain with many users, it would be the other way around
21:16<rnowak>There's no problem with that
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21:17<tonyyarusso>StevenK: Books have been purchased and web sites bookmarked, just not read.
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21:17<pkwong>problems in atlanta?
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21:17<linbot>Think something is wrong? Check out
21:18<@heckman>ATL looks good to me
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21:18<pkwong>I'm lagging to hell... my endpoints are connecting and dropping and etc..
21:18<dwfreed>tonyyarusso: wrap your head around this: OpenLDAP stores it's config in the directory, so you use LDAP to configure the LDAP server
21:19<tonyyarusso>That reminds me - I need to look up this IP. Fail2ban flagged one in HE's Fremont facility.
21:19<Nivex>or, yo dawg, I heard you like LDAP....
21:19*Nivex is not looking forward to upgrading to OpenLDAP 2.4
21:19<@heckman>pkwong: MTRs are your friend. Generate one from both ends to see where the loss is
21:19<dwfreed>Nivex: indeed
21:19<linbot>Think something is wrong? Check out
21:19<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
21:19<dwhite>pkwong: Not sure where you're located, but we've been getting LOTS of rain just north of ATL in the Chattanooga area. That might be affecting things.
21:20<dwfreed>iirc, linode includes mtr in all of its base images
21:20<pkwong>I'm in Fl.
21:20<dwhite>Also, probably not related, but Global Crossing (a huge, tier 3 SIP provider) had some outages / issues today that affected the whole Eastern Seaboard
21:20<dwhite>We were affected
21:21<tonyyarusso>Is in a Linode block?
21:21<linbot>Nivex: IP:; rDNS: None; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS6939; ASN owner: Hurricane Electric, Inc.; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Hurricane Electric, Inc.; City: Fremont; State: California; Postal code: 94539; Country: United States;
21:21<pkwong>lovely.. looks like a problem with the linode host.
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21:21<@heckman>pkwong: What makes you think that?
21:22<@heckman>pkwong: What's your Linode's IP?
21:23<pkwong>it was stable for months... now it's just got issues.
21:23<pkwong>just started today
21:23<pkwong>a reboot of the linode didn't help.
21:23<boba>Responds on port 80
21:24<pkwong>yeah.. i'm using it as a pbx and it's been working fine for years..
21:24<pkwong>my endpoints are lagging out, then coming back.
21:24<dwfreed>tonyyarusso: according to whois, that IP belongs to On Time Tech, Inc.
21:24<@caker> <-- need to look at the route in both directions to see where the issue may be ... The Internet is big
21:24<@heckman>0% loss from Newark, StDev of 0.1ms. Looks like it's a routing issue between you and endpoints. Not your host...
21:24<dwhite>pkwong: if you're using it as a PBX, look at my earlier comment: Global Crossing has been having issues today
21:25<pkwong>ahhh.. lovely..
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21:25<maushu>Funny, didn't know about that pingdumb website.
21:25<SnoFox>Wow. I learn a lot from Linode. ._.
21:25<maushu>I need to find a collection of websites like this. I already know the ram one.
21:25<Nivex>The Internet is big. and vast.
21:25<dwhite>Our service provider (which contracts with Global Crossing and another level 3 provider) has been affected - and as a result, we've been affected
21:25<pkwong>yup.. GBX cross connects to comcast.
21:25<SnoFox>Nivex: And big.
21:26<Nivex>"and we shall call it... this land."
21:26<pkwong>whatever happened to OSPF.. lol.
21:26<pkwong>and i'm down again.. **sigh**
21:26<pkwong>up and down up and down on the endpoints.
21:26<maushu>Nivex, "no, no, we shall call it... Bob."
21:27<dwfreed>maushu: and it's run from a linode in dallas :)
21:27<pkwong>which is the most stable datacenter?
21:27<dwfreed>pkwong: they're all quite stable; fremont has had some issues in the past, but they've pretty much all been fixed
21:28<@caker>pkwong: this isn't a datacenter issue - it's somewhere on the Internet is my guess. Can you provide MTRs in both directions (to/from the Linode in question)?
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21:29<pkwong>i know it's the internet..
21:29-!-smed [] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
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21:29<pkwong>it's just crapping out every 5 seconds..
21:29<pkwong>I'm on comcast.. so it's not like they're exactly an enterprise network.
21:30<@heckman>It's Comcastic, baby!
21:30<dwhite>heh (I'd hope it would be on th internet, and not somewhere like.... Kansas
21:30<pkwong>They should have it fixed by tomorrow..
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21:30<pkwong>it's just friggin annoying.
21:30<@heckman>KyleXY: shall I mess up your windows next? :p
21:30<dwhite>heh. Comcast is (can be) a joke
21:31<maushu>"If there is a routing problem, relax - just wait it out. Generally these things resolve themselves."
21:31-!-KyleXY is now known as Guest19599
21:31<maushu>, someone has to resolve them.
21:31<rnowak>someone can be something too, so no
21:31<dwfreed>Guest19599: heh, whoops
21:31<Guest19599>heckman: Only a kill on a network with a shitton of windows that made irssi fuck up would do that
21:31<@caker>pkwong: pastebin them and paste the links here, please
21:32-!-Guest19599 is now known as kylexy
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21:33<maushu>Hmm, guys, wouldn't make more sense to have the Billing History reversed?
21:34<maushu>Newer to older.
21:34<EugeneKay>maushu - BGP issues to sort themselves out.... that's why you don't ever see them. It's the edge routes that are a PITA.
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21:43<pkwong>never mind.. I'm too lazy to sign up to pastebin.. I'll just wait it out.
21:43<@akerl>? Sign up to pastebin?
21:44<pkwong>yeah.. I got the url for pastebin and it just ended up being the wrong one..
21:44<@Perihelion>Runescape bot :(
21:44<revengcorps>Hey guys... I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but... I'm trying to establish ipsec l2l tunnel to my linode from cisco. I just scanned my linode for opened ports and found that udp 500 is not opened. how can I open it, anybody knows?
21:44<dwhite>Alright, I'm out.... thanks for the feedback on my OpenLDAP idea, folks. I'm going to do a bit more research, and will probably get it downloaded and start testing it on my local dev box / sandbox later this week or this weekend
21:44<pkwong>try that one..
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21:45<@heckman>traceroutes are painful. MTR / WinMTR is more better. Shows the loss/latency over time.
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21:45<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
21:48<linbot>pkwong: (mtratlanta <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
21:48<boba>...It's a program you install.
21:48<pkwong>I just installed it..
21:49<pkwong>I also happen to have a flu right now.. so i'm just gonna call it a night and see if the problem goes away tomorrow.. lol.
21:49<boba>So run it on your own machine to your Linode, and run it on your Linode to your machine.
21:49<pkwong>yeah.. I'll do it tomorrow if it still persists, but gbx is pretty good at fixing stuff.. comcast, on the other hand.. **sigh
21:50<spaden>And the Linode is unavailable again. What's going on...
21:50<pkwong>yup same here.
21:50<@heckman>spaden: run an MTR from your Linode to your location and vice versa.
21:51<pkwong>nite all..
21:51<pkwong>thanks for the support !!!
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21:51<spaden>I'm back in now..
21:52<poutine>There's really not a single stackscript for a magento setup already?
21:54-!-atula [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
21:56<dwfreed>poutine: you could write one :)
21:57<poutine>yeah I know I could, but I just expected most popular setups would have an existing stackscript
21:58<spaden>This is a weird night. Putty or nano freezes when I try to paste 10 lines, and it shows the text garbled
22:00<spaden>At least it's consistent.
22:00<spaden>Now what.
22:00<@Praefectus>use vi
22:01<@jed>m :>
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22:04<@Perihelion>nano <3
22:04<@Perihelion>Haters gonna hate
22:04<Nivex>Perihelion: you and the other sysadmin where I work
22:04<dwfreed>vim <3
22:04<tjfontaine>Nivex: you hate peri and a coworker?
22:05<Nivex>tjfontaine: no, I like them in their own unique and quirky ways :)
22:05<tjfontaine>thank god for EDITOR, otherwise I would never work in an environment for long with nano set as the primary
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22:06<@jed>Perihelion: sysadmin? nano?
22:06<Nivex>indeed. I have mine set for vim
22:06<spaden>Apparently the clipboard had it as UTF-8, and that made nano barf.
22:06<tjfontaine>screen -URAD
22:06<@Perihelion>I SYS THEREFORE I ADMIN
22:06<Nivex>tmux, bitches!
22:06<tjfontaine>Perihelion: you should have those cysts looked at
22:07<tjfontaine>a I made a punny!
22:08<Nivex>tjfontaine: sorry, that was not rimshot worthy
22:08<@Perihelion>Pity smile
22:08<tjfontaine>you bastards, I've been gone for this long and this is how you treat me?!
22:10<Nivex>I don't have a compose key! Nooooooo!
22:11<@Perihelion>The Fountain Lord is going to ragepart :(
22:11<EugeneKay>Interobang... bang bang
22:11<avenj>tjfontaine: I missed you
22:11<Nivex>Interrobang (n): Inquiry of desire to engage in sexual activity... or pyromania
22:12<tjfontaine>avenj: I know
22:12<tjfontaine>Nivex: lies
22:12<Amphibulus_>Hi, Just a quick question, about the dns manager in the panel, do there is any limit to the quantity of queries or other restriction?
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22:13<tjfontaine>the only restriction is it only reloads every 15 mins
22:13<tjfontaine>(unless in slave configuration)
22:13<Nivex>and if you slave it from your own BIND server, it updates realtime
22:13<@Praefectus>and you need an active linode
22:13<Nivex>tjfontaine: jinx!
22:14<tjfontaine>ok ok I'll CTCP you a coke
22:14<rnowak>and Praefectus sometimes randomly changes your records to point to but that's something you'll have to live with
22:14<Nivex>tjfontaine: :)
22:14<Nivex>tjfontaine: must be a northern thing. I use that one down here and noone has ever heard it
22:15<Nivex>speaking of north, how you likin' that snow?
22:15*Nivex sits back in a t-shirt with the apartment window open
22:15<tjfontaine>Nivex: speaking of jinxing, DONT DO IT
22:15<tjfontaine>I'm just south of the snow belt, so today after work it was trying to snow but turned into sleet
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22:16<tjfontaine>but we haven't had any accumulation yet (knock on wood)
22:16<Nivex>I'll be in the Cleveland area at the end of the month. I hope it's not too bad then.
22:17<tjfontaine>your chances aren't good :P
22:17<Nivex>I know, but that's when the epic party is
22:17<tjfontaine>the end of the world as we know it?
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22:17<Nivex>pretty much. My best friend and his wife are having a baby, so this is the last one.
22:18<tjfontaine>aww the end of an era
22:18<Nivex>that's what I said.
22:18<tjfontaine>Perihelion: pour one out for th homies
22:18<@Perihelion>Fo da shawtiesss
22:18<@Perihelion>I wish I had my ATHF dvds here :(
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22:33<seaworthy>hi, i am trying to connect to my servers ftp ftp://serverip but it does not work, does anyone know if i am missing something in the set up
22:34<@Praefectus>did you install ftp?
22:34<seaworthy>on the server?
22:34<bob2>it's 2011
22:34<bob2>why ftp
22:34<@Praefectus>by default we only install sftp
22:34<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
22:34<seaworthy>well i am trying to use linode with vs2010 publish profiels
22:35<kyhwana>did you install a ftp server?
22:35<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
22:35<@caker>don't install an ftp server .. use sftp - which is built into sshd
22:35<Solver>ftp is so 90s^W80s
22:35<seaworthy>i do not think io can use sftp with VS2010 publish thing
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22:35<Eman_>70s man, 70s
22:36<tjfontaine>particle man, particle man
22:36<kyhwana>1) don't use ftp 2) if you reeeaallly want to use ftp and aware it's all plaintext, insecure, you'll get hax0r3d eventually, then you need to install a ftp server.
22:36<tjfontaine>seaworthy: you can use an sftp filesystem mounter
22:36<tjfontaine>seaworthy: something like
22:36<tjfontaine>seaworthy: then you can just point vs publish at that path
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22:37<seaworthy>hm there are so many answers...
22:38<Eman_>i suggest samba over the internet
22:38<bob2>i'd suggest version control
22:38<tjfontaine>there are nice vs git plugins these days
22:38<seaworthy>I want to use 1-click publish in Visual Studio
22:39<seaworthy>tthese methods, though they may work will take longer
22:39<tjfontaine>mount the sftp with expandrive, point visual studio to that drive
22:39<tjfontaine>then 1 click "should" work
22:40<seaworthy>yeh but its like an extra account
22:40<seaworthy>to keep track off
22:40<seaworthy>sorry let me look at this again
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22:41<seaworthy>its an extra app
22:41<seaworthy>i need something simpler
22:41<tjfontaine>you configure it once
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22:42<kyhwana>well, otherwise you have to install a ftp server on your linode, set it up so it's "Secure", setup a new account on the ftp server that has access to the website directory, etcetc
22:42<kyhwana>Then go "omgwtfbbq" after someone steals that login and hax0r3z your server, because ftp is insecure
22:42<seaworthy>well you say like it is so easy to steal
22:42<rnowak>it is?
22:42<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
22:42<kyhwana>^ read that
22:43<Eman_>yes, other than someone sniffing insecure wifi, i want to know how someones gonna "steal" your login
22:43<rnowak>I suggest you uninstall sshd and install telnetd now
22:43<rnowak>since security is pointless
22:44<seaworthy>well there is a trade off at this point
22:44<kyhwana>well fine, go ahead.. "apt-get install proftpd-basic" then figure out how to manage accounts for it, etc
22:44<kyhwana>Im sure there's a way to make it use your normal ssh login
22:45<kyhwana>and then come back whenever after you've been hacked
22:45<seaworthy>hold on if i set up groups
22:45<seaworthy>why would they ever get my root pwd?
22:46<@caker>why would they need to, to do bad things?
22:46<seaworthy>okay how would they ever get my root pwd?
22:46<kyhwana>they don't need it if that user is in sudoers or you have a local root exploit, but they can still trash/change all files that user has access to
22:47<@caker>or run bad things as the user they have access to
22:48<seaworthy>so there are apps that you can run as a non-root and have it mess up root priv'd places?
22:48<@caker>shell on a box, even with a unprived user, can do much badness. It happens every day.
22:49<@caker>DDoS bots, spam sending, whatever
22:49<dwfreed>Crash your node
22:49<seaworthy>damn it got so complicate dall of a sudden
22:50<kyhwana>anyway, it's beer time, either using that sftp mounting app in windows will work or just install proftpd (and gold help you)
22:50<@caker>it's simple: don't use ftp!
22:50<dwfreed>Nivex: you messed that up
22:50<Eman_>slap stunnel around your ftp :D
22:50<dwfreed>Nivex: :(){:|:&};:
22:51<Nivex>I don't use the pipe char, but yeah, the semicolon goes outside the braces
22:51<dwfreed>Nivex: you also need a semicolon after the ampersand
22:51<kyhwana>or ssh tunnel
22:52<@caker> <-- mmmmmmmmm droool
22:53<seaworthy>are sftp and ftps the same?
22:53<linbot>New news from forums: Fedora 16 in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
22:53<@caker>4338R ?
22:53<Nivex>caker: 4338P
22:53<@caker>seaworthy: no
22:53<Nivex>caker: I'm rather proud of that pic :)
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22:53<Nivex>luck + skill = great desktop background
22:54<Eman_>i have a telnetd running on one of my boxes, the account cannot do anything except see the output of a php script that takes no input
22:54<Eman_>and only that one user can log in
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22:59<dwfreed>Nivex: how long did it take you to hit sage level in the IPv6 certifications?
23:00<dwfreed>I should probably finish it at some point, but can't be arsed to set up a mail server
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23:03<KyleXY>caker: I forget, does migration require contacting via Ticket?
23:04<KyleXY>Ok, thought so
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23:04<@caker>KyleXY: to a different datacenter? Can do it yourself: add a Linode, shut down source, clone, remove source, boot new
23:04<@caker>or open a ticket.
23:05<KyleXY>caker: not without getting charged, don't have jack on my card at the moment, heh
23:05<Nivex>dwfreed: I don't remember total time. I did it in fits and starts. Mostly as I ran into limitations like DNS at registrar, etc.
23:06<dwfreed>Nivex: I shouldn't have issues with my registrar; I've got DNS glue, and am delegating it to HE anyway, so that's easy (and once my firewall machine is back up, I'll be changing HE to slave to me)
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23:07<dwfreed>caker: ever see the cockpit of a Cessna 182?
23:08<@caker>dwfreed: yes - my flying club has one but I haven't been checked out in it yet -- why?
23:08<dwfreed>caker: was just wondering; those are very drool-worthy too
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23:09<dwfreed>I've got a poster of one somewhere
23:10<linbot> |
23:11<vraa>i hope this is'nt a stupid question - but is linode as 'root' as you can get?
23:11<vraa>aside from having a 'dedicated' server?
23:11<dwfreed>vraa: yeah, pretty much
23:12<vraa>what does pretty much mean? pretend i'm not a layman? like parallels openvz vs xen, xen seems to be more closer to hardware
23:15<bd_>vraa: you can upload your own kernel image
23:16<bd_>that's as 'root' as you can get without getting access to the PCI bus and ring 0 :)
23:16<vraa>but it has to be xen compatible right?
23:16<bd_>vraa: right.
23:16<vraa>okay i think i understand, ring 0 is supposed to be the ultimate access
23:16<vraa>at lesat from what i've read, thanks
23:16<poutine>I can't find a breadmaker with a car adapter anywhere
23:17<@Perihelion>Get one of those transformer things
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23:19<dwfreed>poutine: just buy a power inverter; look at the power rating of the breadmaker, and buy an inverter to match
23:19<dwfreed>vraa: Wikipedia does a really good job of explaining how Xen works
23:20<vraa>yeah i've been reading about it, i've been thinking about trying to setup my own server at my house with vmware hypervisor, i think esxi the free one, because being able to put multiple computers on 1 hardware is *genius*
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23:23<dwfreed>vraa: I hear ESXi is decent (and yes, it's free, but they hide it; it's somewhere in support and downloads); one benefit of Xen is that it's open source, and it's fully supported in linux kernels since 2.6.39
23:24<vraa>i dont think xen has a gui?
23:25<dwfreed>vraa: you can get management tools for Xen
23:25<dwfreed>Citrix makes a free one
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23:26<dwfreed>something like that
23:26<dwfreed>don't recall, but I'm going to bed
23:26<vraa>thanks i didn't know these existed, i'll have to do more research
23:26<vraa>thanks for the start dwfreed, sleep well
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23:31<MTecknology>I just dragged 300lb of rock and gravel into my apt....
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23:31<MTecknology>yay indoor gardening!
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23:37<tonyyarusso>Our ESXi box was broken all the time - did not walk away with a good impression.
23:40<MTecknology>tonyyarusso: esxi is just a stripped version of esx.... esx isn't too bad, but it sure is bloated as all hell
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23:48<MTecknology>tonyyarusso: anything specific you didn't like?
23:48<linbot>New news from wiki: CentOS <>
23:48<tonyyarusso>MTecknology: The hanging and crashing part.
23:49<MTecknology>anything specific? I haven't ever seen it actually crash
23:51<MTecknology>anything specific that made it crash? *
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23:56<tonyyarusso>Apparently, running for three days, give or take.
23:56<MTecknology>:S *
23:56<tonyyarusso>It would just stop responding to commands, like rebooting a VM, and it required a hard reset of the host to fix it.
23:57<MTecknology>as much as i hate vmware, i can't really argue against the product from my own experience, especially when it comes to teaming nic's, san connectivity, and drive failover
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.99290887, 0.69317768) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108456 of 137683 (π ≈ 3.150890088100927 - 0.009297434511134). http://π
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