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---Logopened Fri Dec 30 00:00:18 2011
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00:00<mbreslin>hellsing that's it
00:00<erikh>I have the hellsing box set
00:01<erikh>that's the only anime I own
00:01<erikh>great series.
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00:01*Obsidian|server has more series dropped than he has in completed
00:01<Obsidian|server>statement to how picky i am
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00:01<mbreslin>which is the one you are sticking with
00:01<Obsidian|server>Shakugan no Shana
00:02<Obsidian|server>The synopsis there summarizes a good bit without spoiling it. 24 eps a season, 24min eps.
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00:03<mbreslin>i'm up for trying something new
00:03<Obsidian|server>season 2 is a bit hard to get through
00:03<mbreslin>i'm currently watching downton abbey which is a british period drama
00:03<Obsidian|server>season 3 is turning out amazing
00:03<mbreslin>not bad for a silly american :>
00:04<Obsidian|server>Static-Subs & Eclipse is the group i'd recommend
00:04<Obsidian|server>decent quality, and good encodes
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00:04<mbreslin>[Eclipse] Shakugan no Shana - 01 (XviD) [E8EF2F4F].avi
00:05<Obsidian|server>there's also mkv
00:05<mbreslin>grabbing now
00:05<mbreslin>i stream to 360 with wmp pukes on mkv
00:05<Obsidian|server>tried something like ps3 media server? (they have stuff for streaming to 360)
00:06<Obsidian|server>bit more technical though - fun if you have the time
00:06<mbreslin>i used ps3ms for awhile to stream to my ps3 in the living room
00:06<Obsidian|server>Wish my laptop could handle it, tbh. Instead I just watch directly on it, have CCCP installed and just use MPC-HC
00:06<mbreslin>got tired of messing with it vs wmp native streaming
00:06<Solver>mbreslin: Downton Abbey was great
00:06<mbreslin>Solver: shhh
00:06<mbreslin>Solver: ~2 away from finishing s2
00:07<Solver>wow I didn't realise S2 had been completed
00:07<mbreslin>finished in nov
00:07<Solver>so you are ahead of me :)
00:07<mbreslin>and there was a christmas special
00:08<mbreslin>should be good
00:08<mbreslin>oh ok, yeah it's awesome
00:08<Solver>thanks for the heads up :)
00:08<mbreslin>i like/care about almost every character
00:08<mbreslin>(except thomas)
00:08<Solver>yep :)
00:08<mbreslin>obrien can fuck off too pretty much but whatever
00:10<mbreslin>Obsidian|server: my windows machine is quite powerful, i never get any lag while streaming to 360, but streaming to ps3 makes my mouse skip around, any idea what the ps3 might do differently?
00:10<mbreslin>(the ps3 is over wifi maybe that's it?)
00:10<mbreslin>360 is wired
00:11<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: That may be it. wireless g?
00:11<Obsidian|server>or N?
00:11<Obsidian|server>it's probably wireless
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00:11<synapt>Gaming on Wireless is pretty crappy unless you have at least 11n
00:11<mbreslin>i mean there's no buffering or anything on the ps3 so it's odd
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00:11<Obsidian|server>i notice when I stream just an AVI to ps3 over wireless, there's occasional choking
00:12<Obsidian|server>it'll stutter for five seconds, then good for several minutes
00:12<mbreslin>i never buffer to the ps3 just my desktop mouse stutters
00:13<Obsidian|server>All I've been able to figure out is that it's either HDD i/o kinda deal, where my laptop can't keep up with the output (which would be odd, certainly) or it's just not enough wireless throughput over LAN
00:14<mbreslin>synapt: yeah i wouldn't even bother, i only play offline games on ps3, and rarely that, ico/shadow of the colossus being the first ps3 game i've played in a year
00:14<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: Ratchet's a good one to play :P
00:15<mbreslin>haven't played one of those since maybe ps3 launch
00:15<Obsidian|server>there's been two for PS3
00:15<Obsidian|server>the third i deny the existence of it never happened argh
00:15<Obsidian|server>crappy forced coop junk
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00:16<cordoval>we are going for linode
00:16<cordoval>anyway thanks
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00:16<mbreslin>i may go back to ps3 as my son got a kinect for christmas and is all over it
00:17<Obsidian|server>I despise motion gaming -.-
00:18<Obsidian|server>I've got essential tremor, so it's near impossible to hold my hands *still* - trying to do anything on the wii is absolutely frustrating. Try to click a button on it and it takes a minute to just get the pointer on it steady enough to click
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00:33<errr>how long does the pending activation generally take?
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00:34<errr>wasnt sure if I should call it a night and check on it tomorrow or if I waited 15-20 mins and I could play a bit before bed :)
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00:35<bob2>instant unless you get flagged
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00:36<errr>I must have been flagged then cause its been 10 or so mins already I think
00:36<Peng>errr: Watch your email.
00:36<Peng>errr: I'd wait another 15 minutes.
00:36<Peng>Although, I dunno, midnight a week after Christmas...
00:37<@heckman>We're here 24/7 365
00:37<@heckman>Well, I'm at home on my couch...but someone is there... :p
00:37<errr>yay heckman!
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00:38<@heckman>errr: you're all set.
00:38<errr>wow great! thanks a lot
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00:39*dwfreed wonders who willl be ringing in the new year at the linode office
00:41<errr>Im gonna ring it in from my couch :)
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00:54<dcraig>who will submit the first support ticket of 2012??
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00:57<chesty>someone in new zealand
00:58<praetorian>at 12:01am i might ask for my allocation of ipv6 for my atlanta linode
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00:59<mbreslin>at 12:02 you will be denied out of hand for bothering staff on new years eve
00:59<bob2>GMT+12 or it didn't happen
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01:00<mbreslin>i'll be doing the same thing as every year
01:00<@heckman>I hate when irssi hilites me for no reason
01:00<mbreslin>sitting in the pumpkin patch waiting for the great pumpkin
01:00<mbreslin>possibly i've got my holidays confused
01:00<Peng>heckman: Don't blame the messenger.
01:00<praetorian>so like, i said heck,man
01:01<@heckman>Well, I got a terminal bell for no reason.
01:01<praetorian> got bell?
01:01<@heckman>That set me off
01:01<praetorian> ok
01:01*mbreslin makes a note
01:01<dcraig>when did london and atlanta get ipv6?
01:01<@heckman>dcraig: recently
01:01<Peng>That's what I was going to say
01:01<praetorian>santa bought it
01:01<dcraig>I know recently :p
01:01<dcraig>u ppl r worthless
01:01<dcraig>ok thanks
01:02<Peng>I just noticed the topic is still about Tokyo. Update?
01:02<praetorian>so the only nodes i need with ipv6 now are my tokyo linode and my india one
01:03<bob2>gratuitous bell ring
01:03<praetorian>such a dingaling
01:03<praetorian>so what does one do in NJ for NYE?
01:04<akerl>Go to NY?
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01:05<praetorian>sydney has the best fireworks *nod*
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01:05<SirSquid1ess>Yeah, but then you'd have to go to Sydney and deal with the crowds.
01:06<SirSquid1ess>No thanks
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01:06<praetorian>this is true. lucky its on tv.
01:06<SirSquidness>In which case, you may as well be in Melbourne, chilling in your backyard with a few mates watching them on TV
01:06<praetorian>but melbourne aint cool.
01:07<chesty>where did you come from cotton eye joe?
01:08<praetorian>not happy jan
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01:16<Solver>omg bunch of aussies on here or what
01:17<ajmitch>it's that time of day
01:17<mbreslin>we're happy little vegemiters, bright as bright can be ...
01:17<Obsidian|server>not day, mornight
01:17*Solver is currently residing in Brisbane :)
01:18<ajmitch>Solver: I'm sorry
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01:18<Solver>ajmitch: hahaha
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01:18<praetorian>brisbane isnt this bad this time of year
01:19<praetorian>as long as you are spending it at the beach
01:19<Solver>so I'm dispensing with delivery time mail sorting. I'm going to use imapfilter to sort my mail
01:19<Solver>yes bne has some good points :)
01:19<Solver>not even a hot summer
01:19<mbreslin>i'm saddened that no australian was impressed that an american from california knows the vegemite song
01:19<Solver>mbreslin: oh I just assumed you were an aussie :)
01:19<praetorian>mbreslin: but you got it wrong
01:20<mbreslin>i don't think so?
01:20<Solver>oh I didn't even spot that
01:20<Solver>I auto corrected it in my head
01:20<mbreslin>oh possibly, i know all the words but i guess i've always thought it was that way
01:21<Solver>definitely 'vegemites' :)
01:21<mbreslin>we all enjoy our vegemite for breakfast lunch and tea
01:21<Solver>personally I don't much care fo rit
01:21<mbreslin>our mother (wrong here maybe?) says we're growing stronger every single week
01:21<@heckman>When our resident Auzzie came for a visit he tried to smuggle some in to the country...
01:21*Solver lived overseas for 8 years and didn't buy vegemite once
01:21<@heckman>Sadly it got confiscated. :p
01:21<Solver>heckman: hahaha
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01:22*ajmitch probably has some vegemite somewhere in the kitchen
01:22<mbreslin>i wouldn't say sadly, i've never tasted it but it certainly looks disgusting
01:22<Solver>"what's this sir? please remove your trousers"
01:22<ajmitch>mbreslin: looks are deceiving
01:22<Obsidian|server>i remember living in oz for a couple years, barely
01:23<Solver>it tastes like the sweetest strawberry in the field, while laing next to a babbling brook
01:23<mbreslin>i don't care for almost any food with that consistency so it seems unlikely i'd like it
01:23<mbreslin>i'm a very picky eater
01:23<Solver>Obsidian|server: hahah :) where were you?
01:23<Obsidian|server>out in woomera, on crown land (back when that was still an active military base)
01:23<Obsidian|server>Solver: illinois now
01:23<chesty>i love vegemite, i spread it on thick
01:23<Solver>Woomera? that'd only be existing :)
01:24<Solver>for those that don't know Woomera is a slightly radioactive desert region
01:24<Obsidian|server>Heh. Yeah, we had orders to deploy there, so we went
01:24<Solver>what did you date the general's daughter or something? :)
01:24<Obsidian|server>Solver: was a lot of rocket testing there too :P
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01:24<Obsidian|server>Father's (now retired) USAF
01:24<Solver>Obsidian|server: ah yes thre rockets - te highlight of the woomera social scene
01:24<Obsidian|server>comm sec
01:25<praetorian>heckman: im surprised it got confiscated :P
01:25<mbreslin>so i just watched the youtube video of the original commercial and obviously you guys are right, i've been saying it wrong to my friend from adelaide for ages he never corrected me
01:25<praetorian>maybe tsa are just dicks ;)
01:25<@heckman>praetorian: I think he had too much on him.f
01:25<@heckman>Two jars I believe
01:25<Solver>heckman: it isn't like you can't get it in the US :)
01:26<praetorian>heckman: odd
01:26<chesty>i thought it's banned in the US
01:26<Obsidian|server>Solver: yeah, it was. Other than that, there was ANZAC day when they'd land a chopper in the field and let the kids in the school climb all over and in it
01:26<Solver>but I had 4 big packets of malaysian coffee confiscated by our friendly customs people
01:26<Solver>and then went and bought the same type in bne
01:26<praetorian>they suggest for people who arent use to vegemite, to try
01:26<@heckman>Solver: not around here anyway
01:26<mbreslin>yeah but you can't count on the us to have anything good, americans think australians love foster's
01:26<Solver>Obsidian|server: hahaha. yeah that really is the middle of knowwhere
01:27<praetorian>mbreslin: we are happy to sell it to you
01:27<Solver>heckman: I used to find it and not buy it in specialty shops in north america
01:27<Solver>*no where
01:27<Obsidian|server>Solver: no kidding, we had to take a bus trip to port augusta, and another port to get gorceries
01:27<mbreslin>well i will say this, i was in korea for a year and i don't know what vegemite tastes like but i'd eat it over kimchi without question
01:27<Obsidian|server>took an entire day, everyone'd load up and bring coolers
01:28<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: awww come on kimchi's good, if you get the cucumber kimchi
01:28<Obsidian|server>the spicier, the better :D
01:28<mbreslin>just seeing you say that turned my stomach a little ;p
01:28<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: i eat sushi too
01:29<Obsidian|server>and bulgogi and kimbob, so meh
01:29<mbreslin>sushi is fine, bulgogi is good
01:29<Obsidian|server>bulgogi is not good, it is awesome *_*
01:29<mbreslin>and i ate my share of dried squid
01:29<mbreslin>but kimchi is the devil
01:29<@heckman>Oh man, I could totally destroy some Sushi with Soy Sauce and Wasabi right now.
01:29<praetorian>doesnt kimchi come out on those little plates you get are korean?
01:30<praetorian>heckman: when you say "sushi" do you mean "california rolls"? :P
01:30<Obsidian|server>salmon sushi would be good
01:30<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: won't do squid, don't like the texture
01:31<@heckman>Smoked salmon roll sounds perfect now.
01:31<mbreslin>fresh fried kalamari is probably my favorite dish
01:31<praetorian>i had some soft shell crab the other week. om nom nom
01:31<praetorian>white bait!
01:31<Obsidian|server>argh. now i'm hungry
01:32<Obsidian|server>brb fridge raid.
01:32*Obsidian|server shakes fist at channel
01:32<mbreslin>i think i have a picture of my second favorite dish
01:32<Solver>kimchi rocks!
01:33<@heckman>Sleep o/
01:33<mbreslin>name that food!
01:36<Solver>ok I give up :)
01:36<mbreslin>it's gyro meet and pita and cheese
01:36<mbreslin>it's like a gyro quesadilla
01:36<Solver>hehe looks like a pie to me :)
01:37<mbreslin>gyro meet is amazing++
01:37<mbreslin>they call it a zorba
01:37<mbreslin>where i go, i think the family made up the dish as i've never seen it on another greek menu or online etc, and i've looked
01:39<mbreslin>i've yet to try pho which everyone i know seems to love
01:39<mbreslin>including my aussie friend
01:41<praetorian>name that :P
01:41<praetorian>without reading the title :P
01:41<praetorian> to make it harder
01:43<mbreslin>some kind of banana fudge sundae thing i would guess?
01:43<chesty>it's called an all sizes
01:44<praetorian>mbreslin: its acai berry made into ice cream
01:44<praetorian>with banana + granola
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01:50<praetorian>quite nice... that was at a fruit shop in sao paulo
01:50<joetheintro>Setting up my first Linode - what distribution do you recommend for mail and web hosting?
01:50<praetorian>you could get coconut juice too.. they just cut the top off a coconut and put a straw in
01:51<akerl>joetheintro: Arch is fun
01:52*ajmitch would rather use debian or ubuntu
01:52<chesty>arch is a fork of slackware
01:53<Peng>* is a fork of LFS!
01:53<Peng>joetheintro: Ubuntu and Debian are most popular around here; it's a personal choice.
01:54<Peng>bob2: It took me a few seconds to figure out that wasn't a password.
01:54<ajmitch>though with ubuntu & debian, you'd be more likely to get people able to help
01:54<joetheintro>Ok thanks
01:54<joetheintro>Will try ubuntu
01:55<ajmitch>bob2: minix is where it's at
01:55<joetheintro>Seems to be a lot of documentation on the linode site about ubuntu
01:56<Peng>joetheintro: As far as I've noticed the documentation usually covers several distros.
01:56<bob2>Peng, my first distro was hunter2
01:56<Obsidian|server>we should all make a new distro
01:56<Obsidian|server>call it something really generic
01:56<Obsidian|server>and then demand to be taken seriously
01:57<Obsidian|server>"Yes, our distro is named Jeff. What of it?"
01:57<Solver>Obsidian|server: what about
01:57<Solver>Obsidian|server: what about "Generic dsitro name"
01:58<Solver>GenericDistro version a.b
01:58<Obsidian|server>version a.b.c.d.e
01:58<Obsidian|server>we must stun people with long meaningless version stamps
01:58<Obsidian|server>and let's pull a mozilla
01:58<Obsidian|server>releases every four weeks
01:58<Solver>Google Chrome v112
01:58<Obsidian|server>"New ISO available. Upgrade time."
01:58<mbreslin>haha it's been 6 minutes time for genericdistro v18
01:59<mbreslin>the mantra could be "We are GenericDistro, try to keep up."
01:59<Obsidian|server>Solver: I'll be fair, chrome never set an expectation for huge changes every version release. it's been pretty smooth release schedule for them, surprisingly
01:59<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: I like this
02:00<bob2>jeff is still less silly than fuduntu :/
02:00<Solver>Obsidian|server: yeah overall they've done pretty well :)
02:00<Obsidian|server>mozilla though, god
02:00<Obsidian|server>they just can't make up their mind
02:00<Obsidian|server>one day, it's firefox 3.
02:00<Solver>bob2: couldn't believe it started with 'fud'
02:00<Obsidian|server>next it's 3.1 -- wait wait no now it's 3.5
02:01<Obsidian|server>we changed our minds it's a bunch of changes WE'RE SKIPPING 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, AND 3.4
02:01<mbreslin>i've been on chrome beta for ages, it's fun, if they would let canary be the default browser i'd run that
02:01<mbreslin>chrome dev rather
02:02<Obsidian|server>I think it was because I ran chrome dev so long that I got my cr48
02:02<mbreslin>you like it?
02:02<chesty>google don't focus on version numbers, it's just chrome
02:02<Obsidian|server>on the new tab page, it had that link to apply to test drive it - different form than the public application form
02:02<Obsidian|server>less stuff on it. just name, address, email.
02:02<mbreslin>Obsidian|server: yeah i signed that
02:02<akerl>chesty: Which is why everybody talks about how often firefox releases, and not chrome
02:02<mbreslin>got squat
02:03<Obsidian|server>the public form had you say what sector you were in, why you should get it etc.
02:03<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: someone else I knew did both the public application, then a week later did the chrome dev branch form
02:03<Obsidian|server>mbreslin: 2 days after the dev branch form they got a cr48 in the mail
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02:03<mbreslin>pretty sure i only did the dev one
02:03<Obsidian|server>I thinkt he dev branch form had you at the front of the line tbh
02:04<mbreslin>i went to google io last year too ;p
02:04<Obsidian|server>it's a nice piece of equipment, but it really does need a bit more processing power
02:04<Obsidian|server>it chokes on JS-heavy pages quite often
02:04<mbreslin>er 2 years ago now
02:04<chesty>add more servers to the cloud
02:04<Obsidian|server>things like twitter, with its animation, it stutters a ton
02:05<Obsidian|server>works nice as an ssh terminal though, with crosh's ssh
02:05<mbreslin>i don't care about how fast it is that's going to be ironed out with better hardware
02:05<mbreslin>how is chromeos
02:05<Obsidian|server>The OS is alright, it's come a decent ways
02:06<Obsidian|server>I still want to see them get the new terminal done
02:06<Obsidian|server>the current one does not support UTF8 at *all*
02:06<Obsidian|server>Also, doing key authentication is difficult at best from it
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02:07<Obsidian|server>easier to do password auth, and have the password rely on my yubikey's static password
02:07<mbreslin>i wonder how it compares to ics on a tablet
02:07*Obsidian|server shrugs
02:07<Obsidian|server>The hardware's solid though
02:07<Obsidian|server>that thing's traveled well
02:07<EugeneKay>Well, it has a keyboard.
02:08<mbreslin>EugeneKay: right but it's sandboxed like android isn't it?
02:08<Obsidian|server>very heavily sandboxed
02:08<Obsidian|server>There have been issues with the cr48's (not with the for-sale models, the samsung and acer ones) with the wireless card being cranky
02:09<Obsidian|server>you have to pull the card out and reinsert it, it's like there's a bad connection
02:09<Obsidian|server>(only have to do it once it seems - after it's fine)
02:09<mbreslin>all i do is talk and text and a couple apps and i'll never buy anything but android thanks to xda devs who produce awesome stripped down roms that make my phone last 3-5 days on a charge
02:09<EugeneKay>Probably was just badly seated by the azn slave laborers
02:09<EugeneKay>1) lol xda
02:09<EugeneKay>2) lol roms
02:09<EugeneKay>3) lol xda
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02:10<mbreslin>that's a lot of lols
02:10<boba>did somebody say rawmz
02:10<EugeneKay>That's what you get for considering winzip+photoshop romz
02:11<mbreslin>whatever they're doing it works
02:11<Obsidian|server>ya, probably was badly seated
02:11<mbreslin>battery life++
02:11<Obsidian|server>But, it's fine when you fix it, so eh
02:11<EugeneKay>In the same ay that you get better gas milage by taking the body panels off your car, yes.
02:12<Obsidian|server>drive around in the HL2 jeep
02:12<Obsidian|server>get 50 miles to the gallon
02:12<Obsidian|server>and handle road rage like a GOD
02:12<Obsidian|server>gauss gun mounted to the side = get the hell out of my way
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02:38<joetheintro>Newbie question - Citadel good for standard email server
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02:40<joetheintro>what do you recommend bob?
02:40<bob2>not hosting your own email
02:41<akerl>google apps: because mail servers drain your soul
02:41<bob2>if you really want to,
02:41<EugeneKay>postfix+dovecot against mysql works fine for me.
02:42<joetheintro>Google apps is only free for first 10 users - need more users than 10
02:42*Solver does his own mail
02:44*praetorian does solvers mail
02:44<Solver>home time!
02:45<joetheintro>thanks bob
02:45<praetorian>sif be working o_O
02:45<joetheintro>don't want to host email but need to right now
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02:45<akerl>joetheintro: Are you making money off this?
02:45<joetheintro>I wouldn't do it for free
02:45<akerl>Then I'd suggest paying google.
02:46<joetheintro>I will try to get that off my plate
02:47<joetheintro>email is a pain
02:49<praetorian>its not worth hosting yourself, unless there is a reason to
02:50<ajmitch>is "because I feel like it" a good enough reason these days?
02:51<ajmitch>assuming you can handle the pain of dealing with spam
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03:20<kyhwana_>yes, email is a pain
03:21<EugeneKay>Eh. The initial seting-up sucks, but I've not needed to fiddle much since I got it working
03:21<dwfreed>hmm, I've noticed lately that htop shows yellow in the CPU bars occasionally; I've only ever seen this on linode; what does it mean, exactly?
03:22<EugeneKay>And free is a lot easier than $25/user/year once you hit 10 accounts on a vanity domain name
03:23<dwfreed>though I liked the free better when it was capped at 50 users instead of 10
03:24<EugeneKay>It was 200, once upon a time.
03:25<dwfreed>wow, 5 grand a year
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08:49<alex12>hey folks I made new sftp user and then used usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username to restrict his assess
08:49<alex12>howecer it can still access dir above his home, what to do_
08:53<@irgeek>usermod -d just sets the home directory for a user.
08:54<@irgeek>If you want them to only have access to that dir, you need to jail them.
08:54<@irgeek>!library jail
08:55<linbot>irgeek: 1. Limiting Access with SFTP Jails on Debian and Ubuntu - | 2. Manage an Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) VPS with ISPConfig - | 3. Manage a Debian 6 (Squeeze) VPS with ISPConfig -
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09:44<eagles0513875>hii hinode the linode :p
09:44<eagles0513875>hey all
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10:10<eagles0513875>how goes it ericoc
10:11<@ericoc>pretty good
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10:24<eagles0513875>ericoc: question if i want my squirrelmail on my webserver linode to use internal traffic i use the private ip should that work even when i want to send and recieve emails?
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10:25<eDeloa>I currently have a 512 linode but am thinking about giving the 1024 a try. If I purchase a 1024 linode, will it come with a 7-day trial?
10:27<vegardx_>Does linode have trails? oO
10:28<eDeloa>More of a money-back guarantee sort of deal
10:28<eDeloa>7 days, if I'm not mistaken
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10:32<Daevien>eDeloa: no 7 day trial on upgrading far as i know but you can go back to the 512 or whatever and it will prorate for the time you had a different sized node
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10:33<Daevien>so you will only pay a small amount per day unless you went to like a 20gb one or something :p
10:33<eDeloa>Daevien: thanks for the info. I was thinking about buying an additional linode, not upgrading. Think it would still apply?
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10:34<eDeloa>Under the same account though, so I'm not sure if the 7-day was for new customers only or if it would apply to every linode purchase
10:34<Daevien>oh, sorry, i thought you were upgrading your current one to 1024... im not sure if the trial applies on an existing customer with linodes, but i kidn of think it would be open to abuse so maybe not. best is to open a ticket probably
10:34<eDeloa>good idea, thanks
10:35<Daevien>linode staff are the ops here, they check here but only when they have time. they check tickets constantly and should reply within minutes
10:35<eDeloa>Good deal, thanks
10:36<eagles0513875>linode doent have trials
10:36<eagles0513875>everything is pro rated
10:37<Daevien>eagles0513875: there is a 7 day trial period, but i believe that would only count on initial linode
10:37<eagles0513875>didnt know that
10:37<eagles0513875>and im not sure on that im fairly new myself but very happy
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10:39<Daevien>i've been here a few years now
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10:41<@irgeek>eDeloa: The 7-day money back guarantee is for new customers only.
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10:42<Daevien>o/ irgeek
10:42<eDeloa>Good to know irgeek, thanks
10:42<@irgeek>But a 1024 for 7 days works out to about $10 overall so you're not risking much.
10:43<eDeloa>great point, im sold
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10:50<eagles0513875>hey irgeek
10:50<eagles0513875>any squirrelmail gurus in here
10:50<eagles0513875>or linux mail gurus more like it
10:51<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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11:01<mwalling>linode makes a great hand warmer
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11:03*Daevien waits for the "so does urmom" comment
11:03<Karrde>so does urface
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11:06<Solver>Ur was a cool city name
11:06<Solver>Imagine addressing letters
11:06<Solver>to Solver, Ur
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11:07<iamjarvo>hey guys i am looking for a firefox 4 download for the latest release of ubuntu
11:08<iamjarvo>any ideas where i can find it
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11:08<AlexForster>is there any way to set kernel parameters when using the "Latest" kernel provided by linode? both of my grub.conf's appear to be ignored, since they specify a 2.6 kernel and "Latest" is 3.0
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11:09<@irgeek>Your installed kernels and grub config aren't used unless you're booting with pv-grub.
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11:12<AlexForster>that's what I was thinking, so okay, let's say I built my linode with the Fedora 15 image and then changed the "kernel" to pv-grub? is the Fedora 15 kernel missing anything important from Linode's custom "Latest" kernel?
11:13<AlexForster>or, more generally, is there any documentation about what the Linode guys do with these kernels to make them better for Linodes
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11:13<@irgeek>!library pv-grub
11:13<linbot>irgeek: 1. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances -
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11:14<AlexForster>perfect, thank you
11:15<@irgeek>We don't really do anything magical to the kernels. The biggest difference is that they have lots of stuff compiled in so Linoders don't have to worry about modules.
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11:17<Daevien>well, heckman pees on the kernels is the rumor
11:17<Obsidian|server>recompile ALL the things
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11:31<AlexForster>on Fedora 15 during a yum update kernel, I see the error message "grubby fatal error: unable to find a suitable template" (grubby is the thing that updates my grub.conf when there is a new kernel version, but it's not doing its job)
11:31<AlexForster>is that a known issue with the Linode Fedora 15 version? if so, is there a fix/workaround?
11:31<danols_work>can anyone recommend a low bandwidth, but high storage, slow access vps hosting ?
11:31<danols_work>more of a personal backup drive is what I'm looking at
11:32<Obsidian|server>if you're gonna back stuff up, why not email yourself with it :\
11:33<linbot>New news from forums: apache2 restart fail in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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11:34<paj>greetings, can someone help with a DNS question
11:35<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
11:36<paj>I have registerd a domain and want to create sub domains so that I can create the hosts etc. I can see how to create the master entry but not the sub domains.
11:36<paj>I am using the linode dns manager
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11:36<@irgeek>AlexForster: I haven't heard anyone else mention that.
11:37<AlexForster> ctrl+f grubby, that's the only thing i can find on a search for "linode grubby"
11:37<@irgeek>paj: Add A and/or AAAA records with hostnames of www.sub1 and www.sub2
11:38<AlexForster>i'm in the same situation: using the stock Fedora 15 image, and I've seen the error multiple times after a redeploy and an immediate yum update
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11:38<AlexForster>I'm also running Fedora 15 in a VM on my personal machine, and I don't get that error
11:39<paj>thanks irgeek I will try that, out
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11:43<Sheldon2>hello and good morning all
11:43<Sheldon2>anyone around to answer a few questions regarding quotas?
11:44<dwfreed>AlexForster: Unless you're running your own kernel, you shouldn't need update your kernel from inside your linode
11:45<AlexForster>dwfreed, normally yeah, but I'm trying to boot the Linode Fedora 15 image with pv-grub so that I can specify kernel parameters :/
11:48<@irgeek>AlexForster: Some quick googling gives me the impression grubby is pretty fragile when it encounters unexpected filesystems. It could just be that it doesn't like the fact we use the whole disk without a partition table.
11:48<@irgeek>You can, of course, just write your own grub.conf.
11:49<Cromulent>bah ever since upgrading mysql to 5.5 and upgrading wordpress to 3.3 my blog has slowed right down
11:49<Sheldon2>mysql 5.5 uses more memory and libaio
11:50<Cromulent>memory shouldn't be a big problem
11:50<AlexForster>yeah, I'm really trying to have it auto-updated for new kernel versions, but I'll probably end up doing that in the meantime
11:50<Sheldon2>anyone of you guys available to help with what is probably a simple error or issue im having
11:50<Sheldon2>with my quotas?
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11:55<SheldonK>this is better
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12:07<Pyro>Oh great linoders, I request your advice. As I may have real websites running off of my linode in 2012 and in the best interest of not creating a cesspool of fail, do I care about my choice of operating system? Is Ubuntu golden or should I do CentOS?
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12:11<hawk>Pyro: Imo, Centos (and other RHEL clones) are only really of interest if you for some reason need something that is RHEL compatible...
12:11<hawk>(Or if that is what you are actually comfortable with)
12:12<@irgeek>I think it's always best to use what you know.
12:13<Pyro>all right :) yeah, that sounds reasonable
12:15<hawk>Or at least take time to learn it before you actually need it to work, if you want to try something new
12:16<hawk>(Or in the case of Centos, try something old)
12:18<Pyro>My second question is I've been using Ubuntu 10.04 and compiling PHP/nginx from source, which I assume is not the best approach as far as security goes. In production, do most people stick with just LTS releases and the packages provided via the package manager?
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12:20<jaskal>Pyro: that's what i do
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12:21<hawk>Pyro: If you actually keep on top of things and keep them updated I don't see the security conern... however, if you just build it once and then leave it at that, there's obviously a serious issue
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12:22<@irgeek>You probably only want to stray from the distro-provided packages when there's a specific need. Like a new feature that you can't live without.
12:23<@irgeek>And even in those cases there's often a PPA that can provide the latest-and-greatest without the hassle of compiling yourself.
12:23<hawk>Well, a PPA potentially has the same issues as if you build it yourself
12:24<hawk>In many cases you have no way of knowing if it actually will be updated
12:25<SheldonK>can anyone help with the above issue I just posted
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12:26<hawk>SheldonK: Does that happen even if you specify which filesystem it should be done for?
12:28<SheldonK>one sec
12:28<danblack>could strace the process to see where its getting its information
12:30<hawk>SheldonK: Also, does /proc/mounts say /dev/root? I would guess it does...
12:30<danblack>or /etc/mtab
12:31<SheldonK>sorry folks
12:31<SheldonK>on the phone with chief of police
12:31<SheldonK>for my area (im an IT service provider)
12:32<rnowak>I'd give a hand, but currently on a communications channel with the klingon federation representative, totally tedious
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12:37<SheldonK>let me see here
12:37<SheldonK>while his system reboots
12:38<SheldonK>theres the updates
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12:39<hawk>SheldonK: Ok, so chief of police got the good old "have you tried turning it off and on again?"?
12:39<SheldonK>he fd up his roaming profile
12:39<SheldonK>by doing windows updats
12:39<SheldonK>im like wtf
12:40<SheldonK>im doing this all remotely from his server :s
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12:46<SheldonK>hawk rnowak Pyro
12:51<eagles0513875>im just curious if i point squirrelmail which is on my webserver linode to my mail server linode using the private ip address will i be able to send and recieve emails with it
12:52<purrdeta>If you set it up correctly, then yes
12:52<rnowak>that's the third iteration of your question, and it has already been answered by me and by somone else
12:57<hawk>SheldonK: I would think the easiest way would be to either just specify the filesystem or symlink /dev/root to whatever device is the root
12:58<SheldonK>ill have to tackle this again in a few
13:02<eagles0513875>rnowak: my bad must not have seen :(
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13:23<AlexForster>irgeek, - the problem was that Grubby detected a non-LVM system and then got confused when it saw grub.conf was configured for LVM
13:24<AlexForster>if possible, the next time you build a Fedora 15 image, don't install on LVM
13:25<AlexForster>and also maybe modify grub.conf so that all (hd0,0) are turned into (hd0) since, like you said, there is no partition table
13:25<@irgeek>Ah. I didn't build that one but I'll make sure the buys that do Fedora know about it.
13:30<Shubuntu>hey guys, any mac users here?
13:30<Shubuntu>i have the most odd problem with mac osx in vmware
13:30<Shubuntu>i cannot browse to any sites
13:31<Shubuntu>ifconfig works, can ping sites, but no browsing
13:31<Shubuntu>software update, nor app store won't connect either
13:31<Shubuntu>i turned fire wall off too
13:31<Shubuntu>but still not working
13:32<Shubuntu>googled it and couldn't find any solutions
13:32<@heckman>I've never tried to run OS X inside of VMWare. So no idea. Not sure this is the place to be asking either. Only thing I could think to recommend would be any proxy-ish settings in the Pref.
13:32<Shubuntu>no proxies
13:33<hawk>No proxies or no proxy settings? :)
13:33<Shubuntu>i have multiple linuxs in vmware too, all runnig fine
13:33<Shubuntu>no proxies
13:33<Shubuntu>as in i'm not using any proxies
13:34<eagles0513875>Shubuntu: im a mac user
13:34<hawk>As in that there is no configuration that tells it to use one of your non-existant proxies?
13:34<eagles0513875>i think you can run mac in vmware but have to be running on mac hardware Shubuntu
13:34<Shubuntu>i set it to autodetect, and that didn't help either
13:35<Shubuntu>eagles0513875: not true, there are tons of people using mac even with amd hardware
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13:35<eagles0513875>Shubuntu: there is mac and there is hackintosh
13:35<eagles0513875>and your talking about hackintosh
13:35<eagles0513875>im talking about the proper mac osx
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13:41<SheldonK>so im back
13:42<SheldonK>hawk, so what do I need to do
13:42<hawk>Scroll back? :P
13:43<SheldonK>yes ok but I dont know exactly how to accomplish that
13:43<SheldonK>can I just edit the proc file
13:43<SheldonK>or what?
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13:47<hawk>But you could eg "ln -s /dev/xvda /dev/root" or whatever is applicable... Or just specify the filesystem you want your actions applied to instead of -a
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13:49<SheldonK>yeah hmm I dont think that would work because of my partition scheme
13:49<SheldonK>my entire disk is 1 partition
13:50<hawk>And that is a problem?
13:50<SheldonK>soo I want quotas on /home
13:50<SheldonK>so the disk is /
13:50<SheldonK>whcih is xvda
13:50<SheldonK>I dont understand where /dev/root
13:50<SheldonK>comes from in this case
13:50<SheldonK>im probably missing something but in any case
13:50<hawk>/dev/root is essentially just another name for /dev/xvda
13:51<SheldonK>so /dev/root doesnt exist in otherwords
13:51<SheldonK>light bulb
13:51<hawk>Hence why you making a root -> xvda symlink would make your commands work as intended
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13:51<hawk>Now, if the commands do what you need them to, I hae no idea
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13:54<SheldonK>I didnt understand that /dev/root was just another name for /dev/xvda or whatever disk was in question
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14:05<@heckman>"/" = root
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14:07<hawk>nah.. "/" = slash :P
14:07<Obsidian|server>For a minute there, weechat was telling me there was a 30 second lag o_O
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14:10<eagles0513875>Obsidian|server: thats what you get for weeing all over chat haha
14:10<mwalling>Obsidian|server: that number is the time since the server missed a scheduled ping, or a message was received
14:11<Obsidian|server>mwalling: i could have sworn weechat (like kvirc) did regular WHO requests
14:11<mwalling>there could have been 30s of lag though
14:11<hawk>mwalling: But Obsidian|server said it was 30s for a minute, which I also find strange.
14:12<mwalling>hawk: you can sustain 2 seconds of lag for more then 2 seconds though
14:12<Obsidian|server>hawk: It's an interval thing - I gauge that being a 30s for the last WHO
14:12<mwalling>Obsidian|server: itym PING
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14:12<Obsidian|server>it was holding the same float value even with messages rolling in
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14:13<Obsidian|server>the lag value is attached to something, not sure exactly what, as the server ping does not carry a measurable timestamp
14:13<Obsidian|server>(only CTCP ping carries a timestamp if I remember the protocol right)
14:13<eagles0513875>Obsidian|server: what network besides oftc are you seeing this on
14:13<Obsidian|server>Was just oftc - cleared up now
14:14<Obsidian|server>HB to two other networks is fine
14:14<mwalling>if the client sends a PING, it can time how long the ircd takes to say PONG
14:14<Obsidian|server>mwalling: to which ping? ;)
14:14<mwalling>the only PING
14:14<eagles0513875>well im in the process of setting up nagios to monitor that sort of stuff for my server
14:14<eagles0513875>my linodes
14:15<mwalling>eagles0513875: an IRC ping is not related to an ICMP ping.
14:16<eagles0513875>i wouldnt be suprised if you can setup a check to monitor even irc ping latency
14:16<hawk>mwalling: Absolutely, but that would suggest that there actually was 30s lag, right? (Otherwise it wouldn't be stable at that level?)
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14:17<Obsidian|server>Okay, that time it just kept climbing and wouldn't stop.
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14:18<eagles0513875>hey guys have the dns servers updated yet?
14:18<hawk>Updated in terms of what?
14:19<eagles0513875>i added an A entry and i am doing an ns look up and its not finding it
14:19<eagles0513875>scratch that
14:19<eagles0513875>found the issue
14:20<eagles0513875>hawk: can you try and see if you get to a squirrelmail login at
14:20<hawk>(Assuming that you're talking about the Linode dns service I think their nameservers are updated every 15 minutes for master zones.)
14:21<@heckman>And if you checked for the result before it was published you now have a negative DNS Cache
14:21<Obsidian|server>why are you making squirrelmail publicly accessible :|
14:21<realin>I am unable to open
14:21<realin>it wont resolve ;)
14:21<hawk>eagles0513875: It resolves to in terms of DNS anyway
14:22<eagles0513875>same here
14:22<eagles0513875>nslookup resolves it as its in the linode dns servers
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14:22<SheldonK>any of you folks know of any open source pastebin software to setup for internal use?
14:22<realin>anyone here having experience with
14:23<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
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14:23<@heckman>eagles0513875: the pastebin I provided shows that our name servers are all serving the correct results.
14:24<realin>@SheldonK try -
14:24<SheldonK>thanks heckman
14:24<Obsidian|server>SheldonK: also
14:24<@heckman>eagles0513875: so either you have a local caching issue, your ISP's resolvers are caching, or both.
14:24<eagles0513875>heckman: ok
14:24<eagles0513875>nope heckman i think its cuz im connecting to a remote serve rinstead of local host
14:24<AlexForster> - after switching to pv-grub on Fedora 15, on every other reboot, my root partition is booted readonly
14:24<@heckman>eagles0513875: Are you resolving the DNS?
14:25<SheldonK>gonna try stikked knew about that one, but want to find the best one I can :)
14:25<hawk>eagles0513875: I will say, though... that your httpd does not seem to be responding.
14:25<eagles0513875>well i did a ns look up linode ns1 is pointing ot the right ip
14:25<eagles0513875>hawk: ya i think its something with the config file for squirrelmail
14:25<SheldonK>thanks for the links everyone
14:25<eagles0513875>ill ask on freenode
14:26<hawk>eagles0513875: There is no response at all, though
14:26<hawk>eagles0513875: Firewall?
14:26<eagles0513875>hawk: imaps and smtp ports are open
14:27<hawk>Yes, but I thought you were talking about http? (or https?)
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14:29<eagles0513875>hawk: im using http to connect not https
14:29<eagles0513875>hawk: apologies i mis understood ya there didnt realize you were referring to my web server
14:29<hawk>And is http allowed through your firewall?
14:30<eagles0513875>actually i eat my own words there
14:30<@heckman>ugh, firewalls...
14:32<dwfreed>heckman: indeed
14:33<eagles0513875>port 80 is open
14:33<eagles0513875>so i dont eat my words as it was already open
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14:34<eagles0513875>i need lunch
14:34<eagles0513875>ill be back
14:34*heckman avoids starting that conversation again
14:34<eagles0513875>the firewall conversation heckman
14:34*hawk backs away quietly
14:35<eagles0513875>im off to lunch
14:35<eagles0513875>i wont continue it
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14:37<wicket>When setting up iptables for a webserver, should I allow eth0 in?
14:37<wicket>(is that necessary?)
14:40<boba>wicket: Are you blocking anything at the moment?
14:42<wicket>I'm allowing a bunch of stuff (established, ssh, 80, 443, 53, icmp, lo) and blocking everything else
14:42<wicket>when logging the dropped requests, though, i noticed a bunch of eth0 kernel requests being blocked
14:42<wicket>im guessing thats not a good thing? :)
14:42<Obsidian|server>wicket: uhm. Look at the "DPT=" bit
14:43<Obsidian|server>wicket: (DPT = destination port)
14:43<wicket>So IN is the same regardless
14:44<Obsidian|server>eth0's your inbound communication, basically.
14:44<Obsidian|server>consider it the hard-line in to the server
14:44<wicket>Ohh. So "sudo iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -j ACCEPT " basically allows all incoming communication, thereby nulling out my other accept rules?
14:44<Obsidian|server>It probably would
14:44<Obsidian|server>No need to muck with that
14:45<Obsidian|server>Pay attention to the dpt= bit, that's the port that the firewall dropped stuff at
14:45<wicket>oh ok
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14:48<wicket>For some reason curl breaks when I add these (seemingly standard) ip tables rule.
14:48<boba>Uh dude. Linebreaks?
14:51<boba>Hm. Breaks how?
14:52<hawk>wicket: Why only tcp on lo?
14:52<@heckman>ew, no monospaced text
14:52<@heckman>get it off
14:52*heckman twitches
14:54<wicket>Oh weird! When I add the rules, curls to don't work, but curls to do
14:55<@heckman>ugh firewalls
14:55<wicket>hawk: i think i compiled the rules using a bunch of examples
14:55<dwfreed>heckman: you should add a firewall alias to irssi
14:55<@heckman>ugh, effort
14:55<boba>wicket: "don't work" is not an error description.
14:55<dwfreed>/alias firewall say ugh firewalls
14:55<dwfreed>heckman: there, just copy/paste :P
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14:58<wicket>curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host
14:58<dwfreed>There, set up tcpdump to tell me why I'm getting incoming data on the private nets
14:58<dwfreed>wicket: sounds like you broke resolving; does dig work?
14:58<@heckman>wicket: not redacting your domain is usually helpful
14:58<wicket>let me try
14:58<wicket>(btw, when i said that curls to works, i was lying :)
14:59*hawk thinks wicket runs a mildly successful registrar service
14:59<wicket>dwfreed: you're right
14:59<wicket>i definitely broke it!
15:00<dwfreed>wicket: easiest fix: dump all firewall rules for the OUTPUT chain, and reset it to default ACCEPT; then configure your INPUT chain as you see fit
15:01<dwfreed>be sure to add an established,related state rule to the input chain if you add a drop all rule, or you set it to default drop
15:03<wicket>dwfreed: sounds good. thanks man
15:03<@heckman>Or just don't configure a firewall...
15:03<dwfreed>That works too
15:05<wicket>should i be allowing more than tcp on lo?
15:05<dwfreed>uh, you should allow everthing on lo
15:05<hawk>I wouldn't restrict lo at all
15:05<@heckman>wicket: why are you implementing a firewall. What are you looking to accomplish?
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15:05<wicket>Looking for added security
15:06<dwfreed>A firewall gives no more security than sane administration does
15:06<@heckman>wicket: so you are restricting certain services to specific IP ranges?
15:06<jldugger>anyone know what's going on here:
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15:07<@heckman>pwnguin: looks like a website that could use a facelift
15:07<wicket>No, just a handful of ports
15:07<pwnguin>* wah-wah trombone *
15:07<@heckman>wicket: then implementing a firewall is not boosting security.
15:07<@heckman>wicket: if software is not listening on a port, then the port is not open.
15:09<AlexForster>re my readonly root- my problem was write barriers enabled by default on Fedora 15... "<dwfreed> heckman: not 100% sure; combined, this works: kernel command line: rootflags=nobarrier; tune2fs -o nobarrier /dev/xvda; /etc/fstab: barrier=0"
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15:09<wicket>Ok. I guess in that case, assuming I'm aware of the software running (which I am), this is all moot
15:09<@heckman>AlexForster: That was a Linux 3.1 issue. Is Fedora 15 using Linux 3.1?
15:10<wicket>For some reason I gathered this was one the "things to do"
15:10<@heckman>wicket: seems to be a common misconception.
15:10<hawk>heckman: I wouldn't think so for 15... maybe 16?
15:10<wicket>Thanks for correcting mine :)
15:10<@heckman>wicket: firewalls have awesome purposes with plenty of use cases where they are needed.
15:10<@heckman>wicket: but in your case it seems you are just making your life harder.
15:11<wicket>lol, yeah
15:11<AlexForster>i've followed a very strange path: I used the Linode Fedora 15 disk image, but then I started booting it with pv-grub, and this issue cropped up
15:11<@heckman>wicket: The only thing my firewall does is drop traffic for IPs nailed by fail2ban for trying to brute force SSH
15:11<AlexForster>i don't claim to know why it was happening, but it was definitely happening consistently on every other reboot, and it's definitely fixed now
15:11<purrdeta>I've considered just destroying the firewall all together and starting over with something similar to what heckman has said.
15:12<@heckman>Which kernel were you using in pv-grub?
15:12<@heckman>purrdeta: heh, mine required no work. On Debian 6.0 the installation added the chains and did the needful.
15:12<AlexForster>I'm now using "Fedora release 15 (Lovelock) Kernel on an x86_64"
15:12<purrdeta>sweet :P
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15:12<@heckman>AlexForster: 2.6.41? What the heck is Fedora doing?
15:12<AlexForster>I was booting the "Current" Linode kernel that's provisioned by default
15:13<hawk>heckman: Ah, yes... they did awesome stuff
15:13<@heckman>AlexForster: There is no 2.6.40 or 2.6.41. It went from 2.6.39 -> 3.0
15:13<AlexForster>they're doing .41, etc because changing to 3.0 breaks build scripts
15:13<hawk>heckman: Changed the version number for 3.0.x
15:13<@heckman>So is 2.6.41 3.1?
15:13<@heckman>If so, problem discovered.
15:13<AlexForster>that was actually a pretty popular "what the hell redhat" news story
15:13<hawk>heckman: Possibly
15:13<AlexForster>I... ?? maybe
15:14<@heckman>We deployed Linux 3.1 and ran in to an issue where it would mark disk images read only. An issue not in 3.0.
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15:14<@heckman>Going by the numbering convention I'm guessing 2.6.40 = 3.0 and 2.6.41 = 3.1
15:14<@heckman>So the issue you ran in to makes sense.
15:14<AlexForster>yeah, the IRC chat transcript I found sounded exactly like my problem, except it was only mounting readonly every *other* time
15:14<AlexForster>same dmesg's and symptoms and solution, though
15:14<@heckman>AlexForster: that was happening to me when I ran 3.1
15:15<AlexForster>oh wait, yeah? it was mounting readonly every other time?
15:15<@heckman>For me it wasn't every time.
15:15<hawk>AlexForster: That's what I got
15:15<AlexForster>ah okay, well there you go, then.
15:15<hawk>AlexForster: Every other time or something along those lines the Linode provided 3.1 kernel borked
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15:19<AlexForster>totally unrelated question- has anyone been able to get their clocks in sync to under 30ms? there's a stratum 1 NTP server in several datacenters provided by "hurricane electric", and I was kind of hoping to be able to get within a few MS of the NTP server but I can't get <30ms
15:20<@heckman>Is HE's server S1 again?
15:20<AlexForster>however, ping to the NTP server is ~0.5ms
15:21<AlexForster>I'm using their NTP servers in Fremont and Newark respectively, everything I've read (including ntpq -p) says they are
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15:21<@heckman>Ah, they fixed it then
15:22<DephNet[Paul]>daft question, if I get a Wildcard SSL certificate, does each sub domain need a seperate IP, or do they all have to share an IP?
15:22<AlexForster>so with sub-millisecond ping I should be able to get within a millisecond or so of them, right?
15:23<hawk>DephNet[Paul]: If you can't rely on SNI you need one ip per unique certificate
15:24<DephNet[Paul]>hawk, I was thinking of getting a wildcard of one of these
15:24<hawk>DephNet[Paul]: If you have a wildcard cert or a cert with alternative names that's still just one cert
15:25<DephNet[Paul]>hawk, so just to make sure, I cant have on and on
15:25<hawk>you can, but there is no need to
15:26<hawk>I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind the question any more
15:27<DephNet[Paul]>basicly I wanted to know if I *had* to have the sub domains, using the SSL cert, on the same IP, or if I could spread them all out, even across different servers
15:28<hawk>The certificate has no direct association with any IP addresses
15:28<AlexForster>IP addresses have nothing to do with SSL certs
15:28<AlexForster>the SSL cert has no idea what IP address your server is bound to
15:29<DephNet[Paul]>not that any domain on the same server will use a different IP
15:29<AlexForster>the cert signs DNS names, not IP addresses
15:30<DephNet[Paul]>ahh, so I could have SSL's for * and * on the same IP? or does 1 cert per IP still apply?
15:31<hawk>1 cert per IP, unless you can use SNI
15:31<hawk>(Other than that IPs have nothing to do with it at all)
15:31<mwalling>the 1 cert per IP is only related to the fact that certs are going to present themself right away in the connection, before any data is transfered
15:32<mwalling>(data like hostnames)
15:32<hawk>Which is what SNI fixes
15:32<mwalling>(tries to fix)
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15:32<hawk>mwalling: Does not support SNI
15:32<DephNet[Paul]>should die
15:32<mwalling>hawk: hence, tries
15:33<hawk>mwalling: What?
15:33<bdube>isn't it true that XP won't do SNI no matter how recent the browser?
15:33<hawk>bdube: I'm pretty sure that Firefox, Chrome etc on XP do SNI just fine
15:33<hawk>bdube: Maybe not IE
15:33<DephNet[Paul]>and one other question, is SSL on IPv6 worth it?
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15:34<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: ...
15:34<bdube>hawk: ah, ok
15:34<mwalling>bdube: i know FF can, because they use their own SSL stack
15:34<mwalling>DephNet[Paul]: you're mixing concepts
15:34<hawk>DephNet[Paul]: Why not? Seems like you would have to do more complicated things to disable it there specifically
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15:35<DephNet[Paul]>mwalling, I heard that ipsec is included in v6, which, I have been told, renders SSL mute
15:35<mwalling>still mixing concepts
15:36<hawk>DephNet[Paul]: The ipv6 spec does include ipsec... but that does not mean that all ipv6 traffic is using it
15:36<mikegrb_>mmm bacon
15:36<rnowak>bacon, fries and mustard gravy mmmm
15:36<mwalling>yes, there are IPSec/VPNy features in IPv6. every connection is not going to be magicly upgraded to ipsec tunnels
15:36<dwfreed>Well, color me silly; /me forget about NTP
15:37<DephNet[Paul]>ok, ill still use SSL on v6 then :P I was going to anyway, just wanted someone elses, that is more familiar with v6, opinion
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15:38<eagles0513875>any squirrelmail experts here I am having an issue for some reason and I dont know where to begin
15:39<hawk>eagles0513875: Have you fixed the issue where your httpd is not responding at all?
15:39<eagles0513875>i dont think its the web server
15:39<hawk>Well, I have no idea what it is, but it's not responding whatsoever
15:39<eagles0513875>hawk: if it was the web server my website wouldnt respond which it does
15:39<eagles0513875>check out and you will see that it is
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15:40<hawk>eagles0513875: Those names do not resolve to the same IP
15:40<eagles0513875>ya they do they are on the same server
15:40<hawk>No they don't
15:40<rnowak>eagles0513875: why are you asking for help if you already know better?
15:40<hawk>(Which may be a contributing factor to why things don't work)
15:40<eagles0513875>rnowak: I am having issues with squirrelmail
15:41<Typo> resolves to
15:41<rnowak>ok? that's not what I asked
15:41<Typo>Sorry, flood protection is preventing !dns from triggering. Try again in about 10 seconds.
15:41<hawk>not the same.
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15:46<hawk>(Who(se) is Typo?)
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15:47<mwalling>someone's mircbot
15:48<mwalling>JoshBon: you're here twice.
15:48<Josh>Test back
15:48<Josh>I know, just set up IRc client on My Mac
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15:48<JoshBon>Making sure it worked, couldn't see anyone - it's fine now.
15:49<JoshBon>mwalling: Learning IRC
15:49*Obsidian|server smacks Typo
15:49<Obsidian|server>Typo: leave your irc bot off in here
15:49<eagles0513875>hawk: im having it use the internal ip but i guess i should change it to use the external
15:50<Obsidian|server>or for heaven's sake, run it independent of your client ~_~
15:50<hawk>eagles0513875: Not sure I follow
15:50<Typo>should be fixed
15:50<eagles0513875>wait wtf
15:51<eagles0513875>aww crap
15:51<eagles0513875>hawk: got my ips confused
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15:51<JoshBon>I don't mean to spam, sorry.
15:51<dwfreed>JoshBon: please don't do that
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15:52<eagles0513875>hey vodka
15:52*heckman looks at JoshBon
15:52<Obsidian|server>channel-wide notice is a bad idea
15:52<rnowak>JoshBon: test your shit somewhere else thanks
15:52<Obsidian|server>it wakes up ALL the idlers
15:52<dwfreed>heckman: did you see my message yesterday about sabayon?
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15:53<vodka>evenin eagles0513875
15:54<JoshBon>Obsidian|server: Sorry
15:54<Obsidian|server>obby smash
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16:36<danols_work>i am thinking of HG My Documents on a remote host --- I use linode but space is limited anyone has any suggestions for high storage / ssh access account low bandwiddth?
16:37<danols_work>pretty much using GIT as backup
16:38<hawk>Just make up your mind on hg vs git before you start ;)
16:38<danols_work>HG it is sorry
16:39<danols_work>said GIT just in case someone wasn't sure
16:40<danols_work>or should I use rdiff ?
16:40<danols_work>for backups
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16:41<danols_work>does duplicity preserve permissions ?
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16:48<danols_work>k need to picky our smart brains people
16:48<danols_work>I thought I had this thought out
16:48<danols_work>I have 3 main computers
16:49<danols_work>all windows 7
16:49<danols_work>I want to have one roaming user profile between all of them --- i was going to use a central linode with a HG repo that I can push pull my /Users/<foo user>
16:49<danols_work>does duplicity (or rdiff) fit this bill too ?
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16:51<mbreslin>i don't think main means what you think it means
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16:53<danols_work>I mean 3 computers I work on
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16:53<danols_work>thoughts ?
16:54<bob2>I think you're kinda confused about how roaming profiles work
16:56<danols_work>I just want my development desktop to travel with --- any thoughts guys? I've had this thing brewing for a month at the back of my mind
16:56<danols_work>was thinking something ike
16:57<bob2>ok, but some org files are qutie different to a whole windows profile
16:57<bob2>spideroak at least encrypts your data
16:58<bob2>dropbox inc has full access to everything you send them
16:58<danols_work>mwalling: personal solution --- nothing that has access to my data
16:58<danols_work>bob2: I was thinking /Users/<foo me/ being a repository
16:58<danols_work>that I can push/pull
16:58<danols_work>to a central location
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16:59<bob2>windows doesn't work like that unfortunately
16:59<danols_work>what makes you say that?
16:59<bob2>I'm 99% sure /Users/whocares doesn't contain all your profile data
16:59<bob2>and that you can't just (effectively) rsync it around
16:59<bob2>but I could be wrong
16:59<danols_work>from all my reading i'm it does 99%
17:00<danols_work>the rsyncing might be an issue though
17:00<Lucent>there's also programdata and %allusers%
17:00<KyleXY>bob2: yeah, %AppData% is in your user folder.
17:00<KyleXY>Lucent: some times, not often
17:00<danols_work>AppData is in there but I would only sync the Roaming profile
17:00<rnowak>you're looking for trouble manually moving around appdata while applications are running etc
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17:00<danols_work>the other stuff is more or less things that is just cache
17:01<devilspgd>The whole "Users" directory can more or less be moved or copied, but it will cause a ton of issues if you try to do it while you're logged in
17:01<danols_work>devilspgd: agreed
17:01<devilspgd>Plus remember that includes your user section of the registry, so you may not want to
17:01<devilspgd>But you can generally move individual apps around from AppData\Roaming, and obviously your documents, downloads, music, etc.
17:02<danols_work>devilspgd: that's what I am aiming for yes
17:02<devilspgd>You shouldn't do AppData\Local at all (that's the point of \Local, and some applications store machine specific stuff)
17:02<danols_work>devilspgd: agreed
17:02<devilspgd>But you really have to design and test on a per-application basis.
17:02<danols_work>.hgignoring it already
17:02<danols_work>devilspgd: agreed
17:02<danols_work>so 'in theory' this could work?
17:03<devilspgd>I used to move a ton of stuff between machines like that... These days, I move my chat logs/client configs, and Documents/data but that's about it.
17:03<danols_work>i see
17:03<danols_work>was that during widnows xp ?
17:03<danols_work>i've beens ince 95 storing
17:04<devilspgd>Firefox sync took over my need to move my Firefox profile, IMAP and zindus (contact synchronization) took away my need to move Thunderbird profiles, etc.
17:04<danols_work>'My Documents' on separate partition for easy backups
17:04<danols_work>good point
17:04<devilspgd>I still do a handful of applications that don't have native sync, pidgin, X-Chat, Agent (NNTP), that's all I can think of actually.
17:04<danols_work>if you were doing it again would you use duplicyt (or rsync) or something like hg
17:04<rnowak>you're using pidgin, my condolences
17:04<devilspgd>The biggest problem is that if you run the app on both sides and try to sync, you'll get a disaster.
17:05<danols_work>no doubt
17:06<devilspgd>rnowak: I'm open to alternative suggestions... pidgin is a "better than the alternatives" rather than a "I love this product"
17:06<danols_work>devilspgd: instantbird
17:06<danols_work>I uninstalled pidgin the moment I installed it
17:06<rnowak>devilspgd: bitlbee if you always have an irc client going
17:07<danols_work>instantbird uses same bits as thunderbird
17:07<danols_work>ok back to my original question --- linode is limited on space --- any suggestions on where to get a ssh access vps with large storage slow/low bandwidth ?
17:08<rnowak>( (: )
17:08<danols_work>i like to feel like I owe my data
17:08<danols_work>github ?
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17:08<danols_work>bitbucket private repo
17:08<bob2>if you're willing to use bitbucket, just use spideroak
17:09<devilspgd>I haven't tried instantbird for a while now, but last I did it was even clunkier and more of a pig than pidgin. Might try it again.
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17:09<danols_work>it's still rough
17:09<danols_work>miranda im is another
17:09<danols_work>devilspgd: but I'm using the beta version and 'am' living with it
17:09<rnowak>bitlbee superiority #1
17:09<devilspgd>I got really sick of having to grab my mouse to make instandbird do anything.
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17:10<danols_work>try miranda im ?
17:10<danols_work>i used it for many years
17:10<rnowak>stop suggesting these horrible applications
17:10<danols_work>bitbee is IRC only dude
17:10<danols_work>means ?
17:11<bob2>bitlbee is an irc<->im gateway
17:11<bob2>maybe you're thinking of irssi
17:11<rnowak>it means, learn to read, in a rather rude manner
17:11<bob2>which is also not irc-only (jabber and SILC yo)
17:11<danols_work>my bad
17:11<devilspgd>I tried Miranda before pidgin, it was painful, never really went back.
17:11<danols_work>wasn't reading it right
17:11<devilspgd>Felt like they were trying to recreate ICQ from the 90s
17:11<danols_work>so u run that
17:11<danols_work>then ur client ?
17:11<rnowak>who's u?
17:12<devilspgd>bitlbee looks interesting, although I'm not sure that relying on me to notice my IRC client is a good idea, IRC is something I ignore when I'm busy
17:12<danols_work>come on it's friday
17:12<bob2>the bestest client ever
17:12<bob2>danols_work, it's saturday
17:12<devilspgd>But it's worth trying
17:12<bob2>ps rest of world, buy canned goods
17:12*danols_work it's I need a beer
17:12<bob2>that's all I'm saying
17:12<danols_work>ok so high storage vps ?
17:12<danols_work>thoughts ?
17:13<danols_work>I was thinking of enabling some file system compression on linode too
17:13<danols_work>but I think I'm asking for trouble
17:13<rnowak>that 5-10% is really worth it (:
17:13<danols_work>5-10% ?
17:13<danols_work>that's how much you space save ?
17:14<maushu>danols_work, what, you thought you would magically get 60% or something?
17:14<danols_work>no i thought nothing
17:14<bob2>pfft my mail compresses 50%
17:14<rnowak>that's what you're looking at for your average binary stuff, like the initial deployment. If the rest of your storage is text, which I presume as you said documents, well, you would get more - but do you really have gigs of text? :p
17:14<maushu>bob2, thats just text bob.
17:14<danols_work>it's all porn
17:14<bob2>maushu, hey really
17:14<bob2>please to explain how data compression works????
17:14<danols_work>it's like rm *
17:15<maushu>> /dev/null
17:15<danols_work>elf dust
17:15<rnowak>I send smoke signals as email, depending on the turbine and compressor used, I can get a lot of smoke in little volume
17:15<danols_work>sometimes I pass smoke
17:15*danols_work mental note don't launch a site on friday
17:16<danols_work>k so anyone here uses anything else then linode ?
17:16<danols_work>was thinking --- but then read on openvz vs xen
17:16<bob2>be less picky
17:16<bob2>if all you want is cheap backup space, you're going to have to use a shitty provider
17:16<bob2>and that may well entail openvz
17:16<danols_work>people I'm not picky --- i'm in need of bouncing my ideas
17:16<bob2>I was joking above, but ec2 with ebs might work for you
17:17<bob2>it's pretty cheap
17:17<bob2>and this data isn't super live critical
17:17<rnowak>encrypt your data before it leaves your devices, and you'll be alright
17:17<rnowak>if you don't need block-like storage, there's s3 too
17:17<bob2>if you can't get encryption at a more sensible layer, use dmcrypt on top of ebs
17:18<danols_work>any of you do use file system compression on linode ?
17:18<bob2>i don't think there are any sensible real-fs compression things anymore
17:18<devilspgd>danols_work: I've never tried... I've got GBs of free space, no point in adding complexity and overhead so I've never even looked into it
17:20<danols_work>any of you tried ?
17:21<hawk>No, but I love the illustration they have for the vps option on the front page
17:22<mbreslin>is that what you get with a vps there
17:22<mbreslin>some super nerd on an apple ii
17:22<mbreslin>or whatever pc that is
17:22<danols_work>HJAHAH i just noticed that
17:23<danols_work>k thanks brain idea bouncing board
17:23<danols_work>i'm out
17:24<danols_work>happy new year
17:24<danols_work>actually last thing can someone tell me if linode shows as dns for on your end guys ?
17:24<bob2>you can check that yourself
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17:24<trem0r>Hello everyone.
17:24<bob2>and, 'dig com ns', 'dig ns @oneofthecomnsservers'
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17:25<trem0r>I just purchased my first linode - coming from slicehost..
17:25<trem0r>I have a question though.
17:25<trem0r>I bought the 512 plan
17:25<trem0r>And it says that I get 200GB transfer per month
17:25<danols_work>bob2 ?
17:25<trem0r>I copied 1GB of data to the linode
17:25<JoshBon>It's pro rata
17:26<bob2>trem0r, you signed up 30/31th of the way into the month
17:26<JoshBon>So I believe, I signed up yesterday & only have 38GB left on a 1GB linode
17:26<trem0r>I see.
17:26<bob2>trem0r, so you get 200*30/31 GB of transfer to use in one day
17:26<bob2>trem0r, rollover is in 28 hours or so
17:26<trem0r>say, are you the same bob2 in #python on freenode?
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17:26<trem0r>So is there a daily limit?
17:27<JoshBon>"trem0r, so you get 200*30/31 GB of transfer to use in one day" - Surely not, surely you can use it all in one day without being charged?!
17:27<danols_work>that's a cool cool trick
17:27<bob2>trem0r, note: outbound bandwidth is capped to 50mbit/s
17:27<bob2>trem0r, if you hit that often, the limit can be lifted
17:27<bob2>but then you can use your cap in like an hour
17:27<bob2>danols_work, it's no trick, it's how teh internet works
17:27<JoshBon>How many Linodes are on a phys node?
17:27<danols_work>omg nm
17:27<danols_work>i take my thank you back
17:27<bob2>JoshBon, undisclosed
17:28<bob2>JoshBon, however:
17:28<danols_work>anyhow thanks all and happy new year
17:28<danols_work>i'm out
17:28<bob2>JoshBon, data is prorataed, so you can use 'it all' without being charged, but 'all' = 30/31*200, not 200
17:28<trem0r>Ok, well bob2. Thanks for the help.
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17:29<JoshBon>So I share with 20 others, that's not bad!
17:29<mbreslin>depends if they're all running porn sites
17:29<bob2>or gentoo
17:30<rnowak>emerge all the things
17:30<rnowak>linode should only allow debian
17:30<mbreslin>JoshBon: you'll find linode is quite speedy, regardless of size
17:30<EugeneKay>JoshBon - my math says that each Linode Host is a dual-processor Xeon L5420(usually.... some are different chips) with 24GB of ram. 40*512MB=20GB of ram, which leaves a good bit for the Host OS and customers to purchases extras, etc.
17:31<JoshBon>My sites now load really fast
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17:31<JoshBon>1 Linode for me, 1 Linode for customers.
17:31<bob2>is linode code for 'morning drinkey'?
17:31<EugeneKay>I believe the newer ones use 55- or 56- series chips.
17:31<bob2>that's why I demand a host migration once a week
17:31<hawk>L5520 here
17:32<JoshBon>bob2: You move node each week? :/
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17:36<JoshBon>I'm having probs making the private IPs see each other 9same dc, assigned & rebooted)
17:36<JoshBon>Do I need to do a system reboot (OS) or a Linode reboot?
17:36<EugeneKay>Reboot it hard, baby.
17:37<kingen>Thinking about purchasing a vps plan, have a few Qs: Are the hdds encrypted? Can anyone view or see what I have on my virtual hdd? Is it possible for the other people that are on the same physical server as me to sniff my internet traffic, or is the traffic directly connected to my ip in some way so that it cannot be sniffed from inside the server hall?(Sorry for stupid Qs, but I'm really bad at physical internet stuff). I'm not planning anything illegal
17:37<bob2>kingen, no, theoretically linode can but they're not asshats
17:37<bob2>kingen, no
17:38<EugeneKay>kingen - Your data is as secure as it is with any other hosted service provider in the US. Don't expect anything at all if somebody shows up with a badge and some paperwork.
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17:39<bob2>you can use dmcrypt yourself if you like
17:39<bob2>and are ok with not being to able boot without you logging in
17:39<EugeneKay>Traffic to your Linode is as secure as all other internet traffic. Theoretically, anybody anywhere in between can sniff it, so you should use SSL/TLS. But nobody really cares, so 99% of the time it doesn't matter. It's the 1% that gets ya ;-)
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17:41<Eri>hi guys... I zipped my site through ssh on my old server and uploaded the zip file on my new server and unzipped i. but when I try to make changees to the files it says I dont have permissions. is there a way to unzip the file and set the right permissions?
17:41<kyhwana>kingen: you'd have to login over lish and enter a password, etc
17:41<mbreslin>is it worth using static networking to free up the ram the dhclient uses
17:41<mbreslin>or will it be replaced by something else
17:41<hawk>Eri: I don't think zip as any means of preserving permissions
17:41<kyhwana>Eri: just set the permissions via chmod/chown?
17:41<kingen>Ok cool, yeah I'm thinking about dmcrypt, using it on my personal laptop. Thanks so much for the answers! I've heard so much good stuff about Linode I'm not really worried :)
17:41<bob2>Eri, if you wanted to preserve perms, you wanted to use tar not zip
17:41<hawk>Eri: But you can of course set appropriate permissions on the files on your own
17:41<EugeneKay>mbreslin - ever planning on doing an IP swap?
17:42<hawk>Eri: Or re-archive the files in some format that can handle what you want it to do.
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17:42<mbreslin>EugeneKay: doutbful
17:42<EugeneKay>mbreslin - then go for it.
17:42<Eri>thanks guys, the site has a lot of files and its hard to set the premissions
17:42<EugeneKay>You'll have to Lish in and edit the config if you ever cloen / move datacenters / etc.
17:42<EugeneKay>But that's small potatoes.
17:43<mbreslin>unless fremont truly has a melt down, or they add a datacenter on the moon, i can't see moving
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17:43<mbreslin>the moon would be too cool to pass up, latency or no latency
17:43<EugeneKay>TO THE MOON
17:44<Eri>ok, let me check one thing.. thanks so much everyone!
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17:45<kingen>How does it work if I shutdown my server, I guess it's as simple as turning it on via the control panel in my login here on Also, is it possible to use my own OS image to install?
17:45<rnowak>!library custom
17:45<linbot>rnowak: 1. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS - | 2. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 3. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB -
17:45<rnowak>kingen: #1 ^
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17:46<hawk>kingen: Yes, if it's off you can start it in the manager... but there's also lassie
17:46<mbreslin>what's that girl, my node's stuck in the well
17:46<kingen>Thanks for the answers! :)
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17:46<JoshBon>You guys are just too much fun! ;-)
17:46<Eri>bob2, great point about using tar! Thank you!
17:47<Cromulent>I should really take the time to learn how to make my own ubuntu packages
17:47<rnowak>muy too much alocoholo, read about using as abusing (:
17:47<bob2>Cromulent, way easier than you'd think
17:48<rnowak>for most purposes a simple checkinstall is all you need
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17:48<Cromulent>bob2: really? excellent - I have a lot of software that I need to keep up to date on multiple linodes
17:48<hawk>Eri: tar or cpio or something like that...
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17:49<mbreslin>i would think aside from security things you'd want to freeze as much as you can
17:49<Eri>Thanks hawk, I will try tar first, if that wont work i'll download the site and thean upload it through sftp
17:49<mbreslin>if it works leave it alone
17:50<EugeneKay>Or poke it ith a stick. That works well for me.
17:50<mbreslin>you're an arch user then
17:50<EugeneKay>No, just a sadist.
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17:52<Eri>guys is this right tar cf ftnsco.tar *
17:53<EugeneKay>man tar
17:53<Eri>yes i know lol
17:54<boba>Man Tar sounds like the name of a Chinese restaurant.
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19:02<tyler>Hey guys, I'm trying to set certain FTP permissions to a user, I don't want them to upload anything, but they can download. I'm using vsftpd if that helps. I have other users on the server too, but I want them to have write permissions.
19:03<tyler>Any ideas?
19:03<bob2>are you aware that it is 2011
19:03<tyler>bob2: yes.
19:03<bdube>nearly 2012
19:03<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
19:04<tyler>I know about SFTP, doesn't help me at all
19:04<tyler>This is a public directory.
19:04<tyler>for press members to download material.
19:04<Solver>anon ftp?
19:05<tyler>Not anonymous
19:05<Solver>virtually every file transfer client program supports sftp now and has for years
19:05<bob2>then no need to use ftp at all
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19:05<bob2>use https + basic auth for the download bit
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19:05<tyler>I'm confused, I still need to know how to do it
19:05<Solver>seriously anon ftp is the only thing ftp has going for it these days :)
19:05<tyler>How do I make a user only download certain sections, without uploading anything
19:06<bob2>tyler, by using https + basic auth to only serve that one directory
19:06<tyler>Ah, I see what you're sayin
19:06<rnowak>https and client certificates \o/ make their head explode
19:06<tyler>in the .htaccess, right?
19:06<bob2>however you configure your web server
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19:06<tyler>I don't have one I'm afraid
19:06<tyler>This is strictly an FTP server LOL
19:07<rnowak>that was so funny (:
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19:07<Solver>ok if you must use ftp.. :)
19:07<tyler>Yes, please
19:07<Solver>doesn't vsftp have an option to not allow uploads regardless of what the permissions say?
19:07<rnowak>friends don't allow friends to use ftp
19:08<tyler>I know it's 2011 guys.
19:08<tyler>But we use FTP, so that's it
19:08<bob2>fix it
19:08<bob2>non-anonymous ftp in 2011 is basically incompetence
19:08<rnowak>tyler: you may be joking, but his point is valid
19:08<bob2>I'm not joking
19:08<tyler>A lot of people in our industry use it
19:08<rnowak>think he is *
19:08<rnowak>what's your industry? failboat?
19:08<bob2>a lot of people in a lot of industries should not be in charge of your network security
19:09<Solver>party like it's 1999! :)
19:09<bob2>in fact
19:09<tyler>public relations for video games
19:09<bob2>none of them should be, it's your job
19:09<tyler>Trust me, we use them.
19:09<rnowak> trust you? you're moronic if you think it is a valid infrastrucutre decision
19:10<tyler>hey, I didn't decide it.
19:10<Solver>tyler: your problem is that you'd needto get your clients to change right?
19:10*Solver has had that problem before
19:10<tyler>I guess so
19:10<Solver>anywa if you must use ftp vsftp is probably your best option yes :)
19:11<tyler>I have it installed.
19:11<tyler>And I configured it perfectly... but I have a 'press' user that I only want them to be able to download files, not upload
19:11<tyler>see it's a universal user, for members of the press.
19:11<rnowak>how have you configured it perfectly if it is doing things you don't intend it to do?
19:12<tyler>It's donig things fine rnowak
19:12<Solver>tyler: remove all write access to the directories you wan't want files uploaded to
19:12<Solver>s/wan't/don't/ (wow that was an impressive typo)
19:13<tyler>ah, gotcha
19:13<tyler>didn't think of that.
19:13<Solver>file creation is subject to directory write permission
19:13<Solver>iirc vsftp also has an option to block uploads - but it doesn't hurt to do both (defence in depth)
19:14<tyler>write_enable you mean?
19:14<tyler>I have that set to yes though because I have other users who need to upload files.
19:14<tyler>to their home directories of course
19:14<Solver>then do it through permissions yes
19:14<rnowak>uploading files via ftp? oh gosh
19:15<tyler>Just deal with it.
19:15<tyler>We don't use it internally ;)
19:15<rnowak>congratulations on making the internet a worse place, thanks
19:15<tyler>thanks for trolling.
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19:16<rnowak>trolling? you're advised your doings are bad and still stick to them, grow a spine and take it up with your management if it isn't your call to make
19:17<tyler>To be honest, they're tightwads
19:17<Solver>tyler: you could also consider having the directories owned by a different user to remove any possibility of them changing the permissions themselves. don't use a system user or a human user for this
19:17<bdube>are your users of the press kit limited to a hard-coded ftp path? or, instead, are you in charge of the link they see?
19:17<mbreslin>they won't be when their ip gets spread hell to breakfast
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19:18<tyler>Solver: what user should I use then?
19:18<Solver>tyler: point out the liability of forcing people to use plain text auth over an unencrypted channel. business people get liability :)
19:18<Solver>tyler: you could just make a new user (ftpowner or something)
19:19<rnowak>ftp for anonymous access with no upload can still be considered as viable, but anything else it is horseshit
19:19<Solver>as long as the ftp client is ok with the differences in file ownership 9gotta check that)
19:20<Solver>did a contract in 2010 and I didn't even need to explain it - they said "no FTP!"
19:20<Solver>I wept and said "I love you guys"
19:21<tyler>I could use something like
19:21<tyler>But it has to be server side, -__-
19:21<rnowak>Solver: :)
19:21<rnowak>tyler: https is an excellent suggestion that bob2 made
19:22<tyler>What about a CDN?
19:22<rnowak>Do you have a need of a CDN?
19:22<tyler>Cuz I could just zip packages, and upload them to there?
19:22<rnowak>I am also not sure how authenticated CDN would work out, I have not come across one that allows for that
19:22<tyler>amazon is https
19:23<Solver>tyler: normally a CDN is used for high availablity and large scale delivery
19:23<tyler>rackspace I don't think
19:23<tyler>So? I could still use one though?
19:23<Solver>certainly the way I use the term, anyway
19:24<tyler>cuz I could just create a DNS record putting it to the CDN
19:24<rnowak>well uh, do you *need* a CDN?
19:24<rnowak>if a single FTP server is enough, a single webserver serving over https will be too
19:25<tyler>What is with this https stuff? lol
19:25<tyler>They're only simple packages containing images, etc.
19:25<rnowak>what protocol are you expecting the CDNs to speak?
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19:27<tyler>I could make my own CDN
19:27<EugeneKay>Use MongoDB so it's web scale.
19:27<rnowak>webscale in the clouds man
19:27<tyler>I'm gonna create one using Google's App Engine.
19:27<tyler>I'll see how that goes.
19:28<mbreslin>create a cdn?
19:28<tyler>Found an article on it
19:28<mbreslin>i don't think cdn means what you think it means
19:28<tyler>I know what it means, content delivery network.
19:28<mbreslin>congratulations you've grasped the initialism
19:28*rnowak confuzzle
19:30*heckman explode &
19:30<mbreslin>basically you've just got to ask
19:30<mbreslin>what would tyler durden do?
19:31<tyler>Beat you up.
19:33<rnowak>EugeneKay: FORK YOU
19:33<tyler>was that a threat?
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19:39<mbreslin>like i said, what would patrick do?
19:41<Solver>heckman: nice :)
19:42<rnowak>heckman: amazing, I'm so drunk right now that made me giggle for 5 minutes
19:42<Solver>rnowak: hahaha
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19:43<rnowak>life sucks man, this bottle is my only friend!
19:43<Solver>tyler: yes as others have noted a CDN may not be right for your needs and building one may not be something you want to undertake? :)
19:43<Solver>rnowak: hahaha
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19:45*Solver goes to put stuff in the new fridge (old one died after 10 years)
19:45<Obsidian|server>cdn's are so easy, even microsoft can do them!
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19:46<Obsidian|server>i wonder if UPS has its own cdn
19:46<rnowak>UPS just employes 1000 mexicans to do the packet delivery
19:47<Obsidian|server>in which case
19:47<Obsidian|server>UPS DOESN'T DELIVER
19:49<JoshBon>All couriers suck
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19:51<Obsidian|server>No, there's one that doesn't
19:51<Obsidian|server>USAF delivers, express. 500, 1000, 2000lb variants, too.
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20:10<EugeneKay>Well, there's the good ol' GBU-43/B
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21:28<EugeneKay>Damned useless bot.
21:29<ILiuz>I'm trying to set up a node with Rails, using passenger and nginx.
21:29<ILiuz>And I'm a complete newbie, so I cannot get passed the "welcome to nginx" page ...
21:29<mbreslin>that's a start though!
21:29<ILiuz>I thought I'd see if anyone here might have any tips.
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21:30*heckman shudders at rails
21:30<EugeneKay>You're probably more interested in a Rails or Nginx or Passenger(wtf is that?) channel.
21:30<@heckman>Phusion Passenger
21:30<mbreslin>are you following one of these?
21:30<EugeneKay>Never heard of it. Don't intend to start.
21:30<@heckman>EugeneKay: it's a module available for Apache2/Nginx for Rails apps.
21:31*EugeneKay nods sagely
21:31<ILiuz>I'm already at a rails channel and a passenger channel, but I have yet to get a reply there.
21:31<bdube>ILiuz: this one too
21:31<ILiuz>I guess I just have to be patient.
21:32<ILiuz>Yes, I've seen that one, but thanks anyway. I think the problem is that I'm either configuring nginx incorrectly, or I've yet to actually launch my rails app.
21:32<mbreslin>unlike many other places linode tends to actually follow their own guides and make sure they work, so if you follow the guide exactly you should be ok, you could start by telling us what step you're on and the error
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21:35<bdube>ILiuz: and whether you're using system ruby/gems or RVM
21:37<@heckman>"Can't use when() outside a topicalizer" ... what the hell does that mean
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21:38<Daevien>heckman: means you suck
21:38<mbreslin>needs to be in a for each or a given
21:40<mbreslin>the complaints are funny
21:40<mbreslin>"Has anyone considered that 'topicalizer' is complete jargon rubish?"
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21:41<Eri>Hi guys..
21:41<@heckman>I figured it out. I was being a dumb :|
21:41<ILiuz>bdube: This is the guide I've been following -
21:42<bdube>ILiuz: ok, you're not using RVM then?
21:42<@heckman>I was using part of Switch from cpanm and part of use feature switch;
21:42*heckman goes digging to figure out why his switch/case is failing miserably
21:42<Eri>I have a web server that I host at media temple and I have another server with Linode. The DNS is hosted with Linode. I was wondering how do I point the website to media temple?
21:43<@heckman>Change the A record for your domain
21:43<Eri>do I add a "A Record" with the IP of media tempel?
21:43<ILiuz>Well, yes, I've also read another guide. But as far as I can see, I'm at the end of that linode guide, and I just cannot get my app to show up. So either I've configured it wrong, or I haven't actually started the app.
21:43<mbreslin>use feature switch; ?
21:43<Eri>is that all I do?
21:43<mbreslin>perl has builtin switch now?
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21:45<bdube>ILiuz: you've defined some nginx server block with passenger_enabled on?
21:45<mbreslin>oh cool perl5
21:45<ILiuz>bdube: Yes.
21:46<mbreslin>i don't write any perl except rarely to do something in irssi
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21:46<ILiuz>bdube: But it might be configured incorrectly.
21:46<bdube>ILiuz: pastebin your nginx config?
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21:51<ILiuz>I hope I've made some easily correctable mistake. :-)
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21:55<bdube>ILiuz: well, I suspect you're going to have permission issues running from /root
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21:56<Guest22263>Hi, I'm trying to make ssh keys on my Ubuntu machine
21:56<Guest22263>following the tutorial here
21:56<ILiuz>Urgh, yeah, I know that's not the smartest thing to do.
21:56<bdube>ILiuz: you have the nginx user setting commented out and I don't remember the default
21:56<Guest22263>but my user account doesn't have a .ssh/ folder
21:56<Guest22263>should I just make it?
21:57<Guest22263>or is there a generate command for that?
21:57<Guest22263>yeah, I know how to make a dir :D
21:57<Guest22263>just wanted to check
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21:58<ILiuz>bdube: Maybe I can try uncommenting the user setting and writing root?
21:59<bdube>ILiuz: what is it running as now?
22:00<ILiuz>I don't know how to answer that. user nobody was commented out. So I thought I could try "user root", except remove the comment. But I have no clue what I'm doing.
22:01<ILiuz>Hey, there we go.
22:01<bdube>ILiuz: "ps aux | grep nginx" is one way
22:01<ILiuz>#user nobody -> user root
22:02<ILiuz>Now I can see the standard ruby on rails welcome message.
22:03<bdube>I would recommend getting it to work as a less privileged user
22:03<Eri>guys, what would someone use CNAME's?
22:03<ILiuz>Yes, I will get to that first thing tomorrow.
22:03<ILiuz>But now I need some sleep, it's 4AM over here.
22:04<EugeneKay>Eri - laziness :-p
22:04<ILiuz>Thanks for the help, bdube. :-)
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22:04<rnowak>Eri: the only reasonable usage of a cname is if the zone is out of your control
22:04<bdube>ILiuz: welcome
22:05<bdube>although I didn't do anything
22:05<EugeneKay>I use a CNAME for when I'm too lazy to update records if the destination changes
22:05<rnowak>not a viable reason, but a reason none the less
22:06<EugeneKay>I have a pile of vanity domains for which I have a subdomain "autoconfig", used for Thunderbird automagical misconfiguration. I CNAME them all to my primary domain because I'd rather not change twenty records if I ever update that thing.
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22:07<Eri>ahhhh i see
22:07<EugeneKay>Usually you're better off just specifying the A/AAAA
22:07<Eri>i see, nice!
22:08<EugeneKay>Another place I use them is to make hostnames available in a zone which they aren't logically in.
22:08<Eri>thanks so much EugenKay
22:08<EugeneKay>Again, so I don't have to go back and change the records.
22:08<Eri>right, good point.
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22:50<meagain>heckman,i think you are right.ubuntu is much better for me,it's out of the box.and after finding the casts from Ryan Bates using ubuntu(that guy is just a wonderful teacher),it just really made up my mind.including the use of vagrant and "chef".thanks again
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22:53<meagain>archlinux is for those ppl that doesn't have nothing to do,so they waste their time with system confs instead of producing code
22:53<mbreslin>doesn't have nothing indeed
22:54<mbreslin>someone very accurately mirrored my experience into web development recently let me try and find it
22:54<mbreslin>may have been today actually
22:55<mbreslin>it's great though and sums up my learning(procrastination) the last six months perfectly
22:55<@heckman>meagain: I like ArchLinux for certain things. I use it for my network testing Linode. But yeah. Ubuntu/Debian is a better option.
22:57<meagain>for sure it is,now i see all :) .nice blog mbreslin,i will read it
22:57<mbreslin>the best line:
22:57<mbreslin>No wait, now they are realizing Box Turtle doesn’t scale, and the Elephant Plop pattern is the way to go. Man, why did we ever think Box Turtle was a good idea? Whew, glad I hadn’t started my app yet. Dodged a bullet!
22:58<meagain> hhahaha,avoid that PURPLE TUTRTLE
22:58<meagain>PURPLE TURTLE*
22:59<meagain>k,i'm happy again,ubuntu brought me peace,now i can go back to wed dev,what it matters most for me
23:00<meagain>did i said weed dev?lol
23:00<meagain>developa da weeed in my closet!wtf..
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23:02<mbreslin>your aversion to spacing hurts my head
23:03<meagain>i will use oit here. Just because, you insist, so much.
23:03<KyleXY>mbreslin: Yeah, you're not the first to comment on that .-.
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23:03<KyleXY>mbreslin: also, the bad use of commas :(
23:03<meagain>Actually, you are right , it looks better. And more readable, I'm just lazzy.
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23:04<Eri>Hey boys and girls. well I dont think there is any girls in here! lol
23:04<KyleXY>meagain: no space after a word before the comma,
23:04<KyleXY>Eri: You'd be surprised,
23:04<Eri>haha really, thats cool!
23:04<mbreslin>meagain: we all get lazzy sometimes
23:04<meagain>. No
23:04<tonyyarusso>I'd like to find the person who decided that being on the Internet was an exemption from grammar, spelling, and punctuation rules so we could lynch them.
23:05<Eri>Do you guys know how I can setup my own dns, like
23:05<Eri>using Linodes DNS manager?
23:05<tonyyarusso>Eri: Install BIND. Configure. The end.
23:05<bob2>Eri, that's not how it works, really
23:06<mbreslin>don't listen to tony
23:06<mbreslin>bind is like latin and i don't know what else
23:06<mbreslin>it's indecypherable
23:06<mbreslin>use unbound
23:06<bob2>Eri, short answer is that if you want that, you'll need to run three of your own DNS servers
23:06<tonyyarusso>Uh, Linode's manager isn't open source or available for purchase.
23:06<Eri>lol I dont know who to listen, but I do trust bob2 for sure!
23:06<meagain>I'm very lazzy,arghh...especially when organizing my files in the computer,you know.Do you know about some software that helps one organize files,folders and bookmarks as one,but using "tags" to make easier to find?
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23:07<Eri>is that to much work bob2? it looks like it is..
23:07<bob2>long answer is that you could use the DNS manager and slave from it (for a cheap web frontend), or you could alias the Linode DNS servers in your zone ,but that's super lame
23:07<bob2>and will break one day
23:07<Eri>I thought it would be cool to have my own dns, but I guess is silly
23:07<bob2>if you want to pay, you can pay dnsmadeeasy or similar for that
23:08<Eri>so I asume thats not necessary then correct?
23:08<mbreslin>Eri: it's not silly, it's the first thing i did, i got over it pretty fast, it's fun to do things yourself once you get your own remote machine
23:08<meagain>i need somenthing to make esier to organize my files and folders,some app to crete tags and notes...dunno
23:08<bob2>it's not
23:08<meagain>well,i'm tired,nite
23:08<bob2>it does have some minor advantages
23:09<bob2>but it's not really worth it unless you're already using a dns service that does it
23:09<Eri>right, I see your point mbreslin
23:09<meagain>Good new year to everyone!I see you in 2012.Peace and cash to all
23:09<Eri>thanks meagain, have a good night and happy new year!
23:09<Eri>i agree with you bob2.
23:09<meagain>yes,you too! :)
23:10<Eri>I'll just keep it as is for now i guess..
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23:10<mbreslin>Eri: i lost interest quickly, there really isn't much of a point to it
23:11<Eri>right, yeah I understand.
23:12<Eri>well thanks a lot guys! I appreciate your advice
23:14<linbot>New news from forums: Error when setting up PHP on LEMP in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
23:14<bob2>LEMP HAHA
23:15<mbreslin>bob2: you're ve
23:16<mbreslin>you're more laughy than usual, drinking?
23:16<KyleXY>bob2: erm, Eri wanted to run his own dns manager?
23:17<Eri>one more DNS question, to ad a sub domain, do I add a A RECORD or a CNAME?
23:18*heckman takes a break from fighting with Perl
23:18<KyleXY>akerl: couldn't he build one majorly hacking around the API?
23:18<Eri>great, thanks bob2!
23:18<KyleXY>heckman: Perl is a Hack, heh
23:19<akerl>KyleXY: He certainly could. But his stated goal was personalized nameservers, which you can't do by hacking the API together
23:20<chesty>akerl: did you get fired?
23:20<KyleXY>akerl: hacking the api and slaving the linode servers, sounds like much fun
23:20<KyleXY>chesty: ahahahah
23:20<akerl>Nah, I'm just slumming it.
23:20<chesty>holy days
23:22<Eri>What do you guys use for TTL? if default, do you know what's the default time?
23:22<KyleXY>Eri: I use a small TTL
23:22<KyleXY>the default, erm, isn't it like 2 days?
23:22*KyleXY looks
23:23<KyleXY>so 24 hours
23:23<KyleXY>meh, close enough
23:24<Eri>ahh I see, whats the disadvantake of having it 5 minutes for example?
23:25<Eri>disadvantage* sorry!
23:26<bob2>people making lots more dns requests
23:26<KyleXY>which is a big boohoo, (Not really)
23:26<KyleXY>Some idiotic ISPs don't honor them, but besides that,
23:28<Eri>ahh i see, what I am doing is I am setting it to 5 min then I'll change it to the default..
23:29<KyleXY>that didn't make sense, but OK!
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23:36<Eri>id does make sense. if I add a new A RECORD, if I do the TTL 5 min, the record will be available in 5 min
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23:37<akerl>Eri: Not true
23:37<Eri>thats what they said
23:38<akerl>As soon as your nameservers are updated (every 15 minutes in the case of the Linode DNS Manager), they start serving the new records.
23:39<akerl>But if your old TTL was 24 hours, other servers which are honoring that TTL will not request the record until after that 24 hours, so they won't see the new record with its 5 minute TTL
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23:44<Eri>ahhh I now I get it.
23:45<Eri>Thanks aerl!
23:48<KyleXY>Eri: for the record, TTL == Time To Live
23:48<akerl>Which is still ambiguous :)
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