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---Logopened Sun Jan 15 00:00:56 2012
00:08<EugeneKay>I think it's time to wipe my laptop, finally.
00:10<swaj>did you get something on it?
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00:17<internat>now now cant knock windows that badly. i just did my MCTS :P
00:18<bobert>internat: was it hard?
00:18<internat>not overly. i stuidied for a few weeks for it
00:18<bobert>which cert?
00:19<internat>i thougth so.. gonna try and do my mcitp.. just need to do another 3 ts certs first :/
00:19<EugeneKay>I genuinely like Windows as a desktop/laptop OS. It just gets crapped up after a year or so.
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00:20<swaj>Windows 7 is actually pretty nice imo
00:20<EugeneKay>Several dozen un/reinstalled apps, drivers, my attempts at getting a full GNU environment going....
00:20<internat>i dont mind win 7, or osx. depending what im doing
00:21<@akerl>I live in the terminal too much to use windows
00:21<internat>my desktop is win 7, my laptop is osx, my linodes are debian, my work servers are either RHEL, or Win 2k3 or 2k8
00:21<internat>i dont have the luxuray of only looking after one environment, but i like that :
00:21<swaj>everything at my current employer is Windows (I'm a .NET developer), but at home I use OSX for all python/node.js dev, and Windows for games :P
00:22<swaj>however in two weeks I begin a new job, for MasterCard, doing java -- and I think I'll be getting a mac, thankfully :)
00:23<internat>Mastercard eh? interesting
00:23<swaj>yeah, their global payment processing data center is here in St. Louis (actually 10 minutes from my house)
00:24<internat>nice. id hate to see all their change control processes though
00:24<internat>especially since PCI is a reall biatch
00:24<swaj>for "core" (what they call the primary payment processing), it's pretty hefty
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00:24<swaj>they do, I think, two "core" releases a year (maybe 4, can't remember)
00:25<swaj>and if you don't get your stuff in during one of those windows, you have to wait :)
00:25<swaj>I won't be developing against core, though. I'll be working on a lot of consumer-facing web-based products, most likely.
00:26<squircle>make mastercard securecode not suck
00:27<swaj>dunno if I'll get to work on that or not, yet :)
00:30<squircle>i mean, really... a six-character password with no special characters?
00:30<squircle>that makes me cry
00:31<squircle>not even up to 6, but EXACTLY six
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00:32<vandemar>the difference between "up to n" and "n" is minimal
00:33<squircle>doesn't mean it's not ridiculous
00:33<squircle>(as a whole, not just that requirement)
00:35<@akerl>vandemar: When the max length should be somewhere closer to 9000, the difference is more relevant
00:41<vandemar>the difference between "1 to 6" characters and "6" characters is only about 11% for numbers, <5% for single-case alphabetic, <2% for case-sensitive...
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00:41<@akerl>vandemar: Yup
00:41<vandemar>squircle: are you getting at why they don't use OATH or something instead of a static 6 digit code?
00:42<@akerl>Google_authenticator all the things!
00:43<vandemar>I love google authenticator, too bad more places don't support auth. I saw one bank that uses a token generator but it's symantec VIP
00:44<vandemar>s/auth/google auth/
00:44<squircle>i got a VIP yubikey, only to find that Paypal doesn't support it for Canada
00:45<dwfreed>Just get LastPass :)
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00:45<squircle>i adore lastpass!
00:47<dwfreed>so, generate a secure password for Paypal and store it in LastPass protected by your Yubikey
00:47<squircle>that's how I have it... I just wanted to try VIP
00:51<EugeneKay>Anybody fiddled with having Apache require a client cert?
00:56<EugeneKay>Ah, found the apache manual section on it.
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01:03<chesty>it's about time linode gave us an upgrade. don't you think?
01:05*akerl upgrades chesty to a Linode 64
01:05<warewolf>hey, that's where I started!
01:05<warewolf>nothing to shake a stick at.
01:06<@akerl>"You know you're old when...
01:06<chesty>that's where i started too
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01:09<praetorian>you know you are own when you are a 1/4 of chestys age
01:09<chesty>you know you're old and dumb when you don't know the difference between own and old
01:10<chesty>you know, finnix was my idea
01:10<chesty>not that distribution though
01:12<chesty>hmmm, it appears the forum has been trimmed. oh well, take my word for it
01:12*praetorian trims your fat
01:13<chesty>you feeling hungry again?
01:13<chesty>what do i mean by again? sorry hun
01:13<chesty>i tired to say goodbye and i choked
01:14<chesty>tired to walk away and i stumbled
01:15<swaj>Macey Grey -- thank god she was a one-hit wonder. Worst voice ever. Awful nasty sounding nonsense.
01:15<chesty>she rocks
01:15<chesty>lovely husky voice
01:15<swaj>if by lovely you mean disgusting, then I agree completely.
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03:00<RiverRat>auraka: hola?
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03:12<agittins>I'm seeing a fair amount of packet loss (~7% with mtr) to fremont from Australia (telstra). All seems ok to tokyo though. Looks like most drops are happening around ( - anyone else seeing anything similar?>
03:12<@akerl>agittins: Pastebin the MTR?
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03:15<agittins>akerl: with and without names:
03:16<@akerl>agittins: Can you do an MTR the other way? (your Linode to your location)
03:17<agittins>eek what's with the loss at my local gateway... might need to look into that!
03:17<@akerl>I'm seeing 0% loss to that host from here
03:17<EugeneKay>I wanna say it's the transatlantic link before it hits HE's BGP
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03:17<EugeneKay>Er, transpacific
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03:18<agittins>akerl: good call, running now
03:18<agittins>EugeneKay: i'd be inclined to agree. other sites seem responsive but may well be going via other linkds
03:18<@akerl>I'm betting you see crazy loss on the last few hops of the return MTR
03:18<@akerl>Also, Why did you MTR to the host rather than your Linode's IP?
03:19<EugeneKay>Ozzy fiber links tend to be pretty cramped. They only have so many of them.
03:19<EugeneKay>And when that happens packets disappear.
03:20<bob2>there's terabits available
03:20<bob2>!= telstra being cheap
03:20<bob2>thx linbot
03:20<EugeneKay>Artifical cramping is still cramped :-p
03:20<EugeneKay>Rah rah rah Enron
03:21<agittins>akerl / EugeneKay quite right, loss happening at the edges of the pond...
03:21<EugeneKay>Blame whoever "" is ;-)
03:21<agittins>akerl: chose the linode host to rule out any brain-issues on my part.
03:22<kyhwana_>I can get to fine, not packet loss from NZ
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03:22<agittins>thanks kyhwana_
03:23<EugeneKay>"eqnx" is probably Equinix in San Jose.
03:23<agittins>good thing to come from jumping onto irc though - now know that there are nodes in tokyo, well worth considering!
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03:23<EugeneKay>No idea where "paix" is, but it's most likely the opposite end of said buggy fiber link.
03:25<EugeneKay>In that case it's not even a transpacific issue.
03:25<EugeneKay>Just some asshole tripped over a cable
03:27<agittins>nah, given the response time (142ms) I am fairly confident that node is on my side of the puddle
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03:27<agittins>otherwise the later nodes would be even higher in response time
03:27<EugeneKay>Oh, missed that. I must need more liquor.
03:27<agittins>looks like the link, I'll just sit it out - thanks for the help guys!
03:28<EugeneKay>Indeed, about all you can do. The NOC guys at reach are either scrambling to fix it, or don't care. :-p
03:28<agittins>and think about moving my californian server to tokyo... does ANYONE build datacentres in non-earthquake zones?!
03:28<agittins>(well, near me, and cheaply... with linodes.... etc)
03:29<@akerl>agittins: I'd say no quakes in NJ, but the east coast did get one a bit back
03:30<agittins>hehe true... a touch more latency but yes, just having a whinge :-)
03:32<@akerl>I really only moved to NJ to have less latency to my Linode
03:33<agittins>heh... I based our home purchase (in part) based on whether or not it had cable.
03:33<agittins>thanks guys, l8r
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03:34<EugeneKay>I want to be able to get gigabit fiber to my next home.
03:34<EugeneKay>Mini-datacenter in the basement
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03:57<eagles0513875>akerl: im not based in the uk but im down in malta and there is rather low latency from where im based
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04:02*eagles0513875 slides akerl :) a big pot of coffee
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04:42<linbot>New news from forums: Large storage with small linode in General Discussion <>
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04:44<jpp>Is it just me or is Linode acting really slow atm?
04:46<chesty>Linode could mean anything
04:46<kyhwana_>define linode? It's wfm
04:46<jpp> login and members area
04:46<chesty>it's just you
04:47<kyhwana_>linode manager is fine for me
04:48<jpp>Ok guess somethings wrong with my internet then -_- thanks guys
04:52<eagles0513875>jpp: clear out your interwebs cache and cookies and all that
04:52<eagles0513875>usually helps
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05:13<hawk>The tubes are clogged!
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05:20<eagles0513875>haha might want to get your plumbing checked hawk
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05:36<HughAUS>Hello, is any LINODE Staff Online/ THere ?
05:37<HughAUS>Hello, is anyone There/ Online ?
05:37<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
05:37<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
05:37<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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05:40<HughAUS>Hi are you LINODE Staff ?
05:40<kyhwana_>Do I have ops?
05:41<HughAUS>What ?
05:41<kyhwana_>No i'm not. Whats up?
05:41<HughAUS>is there any LINODE Staff online ?
05:42<HughAUS>I need THEM URGENTLY
05:42<@akerl>HughAUS: This is the community IRC channel. For offical inquiries with Linode, you should use tickets/email/phone. That said, users who have ops (the symbol by their name) in #linode are staff.
05:42<kyhwana_>Submit a support ticket then
05:42<@akerl>And nobody here, staff or not, can help you unless you tell us what you need
05:43<praetorian>akerl: you mean a ticket with "I NEED HELP" doesnt help?
05:44<@akerl>praetorian: I mean, when I can look at the account and see that it's running CentOS, I usually just assume and delete all the disks
05:44<praetorian>of course
05:45<HughAUS>Akerl, are you LINODE Staff ?
05:45<bob2>WAITER WAITER there's a FLY in MY SOUP
05:46<HughAUS>Are you Support or Billing Staff or Sales Akerl ?
05:46<@akerl>All of the above
05:46<HughAUS>o ok
05:46<praetorian>also makes terrible coffee.
05:46*akerl feels like he's interviewing
05:46<bob2>and ruler of the UNDERWORLD
05:46<praetorian>bob2: g2lca
05:47<bob2>no :'(
05:47<@akerl>HughAUS: We offer neither free trials or windows servers. Our servers run Linux (or BSD if you're really hacky) and we offer a 7 day money back guarantee if you decide you don't like us
05:48<praetorian>australians dont use windows. use linux.
05:49<HughAUS>well i use windows
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05:49*akerl waves
05:49<mdcollins>What about linode screams windows vps?
05:49<praetorian>obviously thats windows.
05:50<mdcollins>Just leave off that L, it's not important
05:50<@akerl>It's a silent L
05:50<praetorian>Praefectus: DONT BE SENSICLE
05:51<praetorian>caker obviously typoed.
05:51<hawk>praetorian: Yeah, L and W are like right next to each other
05:51<mdcollins>He meant Windows node.
05:51<mdcollins>Common typo
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05:52<retro|blah>!azn [linode]
05:52<linbot>rinode arr the things!
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07:06<linbot>New news from forums: Copy remote file to my Mac in General Discussion <>
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07:36<wundoo>is it possible to configure the private IP in a different eth?
07:36<wundoo>so I'd keep eth0 with dhcp
07:37<wundoo>and eth1 as private
07:37<@akerl>wundoo: No
07:37<wundoo>ok :(
07:37<@akerl>Why were you trying to do that?
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07:57<wundoo>I was able to configure my net.etho for both interfaces using private ip
07:57<wundoo>but I'm not able to ping from one node to other
07:57<wundoo>using their private ip
07:57<@akerl>wundoo: Did you reboot both since adding their private IPs
07:58<wundoo>akerl isn't /etc/init.d/net.etho restart enough?
07:58<@akerl>wundoo: As per the private IP guide, you need to reboot before you can bring them up
07:58<hawk>Not if you didn't already have the private IP enabled in the manager before booting
07:59<wundoo>hmm let me reboot them
07:59<hawk>Permission granted
07:59<wundoo>is shutdown -r now enough or should I do it using the web interface?
08:00<@akerl>Either. If lassie is enabled, which it should be, shutdown -whatever will reboot
08:00<wundoo>"The system is going down for reboot NOW!"
08:01*wundoo cross his fingers
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08:04<hawk>wundoo: <-- see? just waiting to hit the reset button :P
08:06<podbak>I have setup drupal on nginx,php5-fpm. From another server I am using ab command with 50 concurrent connections. During this when I visit the website, drupal says "PDOException: SQLSTATE[08004] [1040] Too many connections in lock_may_be_available() (line 167"
08:06<podbak>Is there a way to protect such mini ddos
08:06<wundoo>akerl thanks!
08:06<podbak>I mean as few as 50 connections can take my site down.
08:06<wundoo>hawk thanks!
08:07<wundoo>podbak: there is something wrong with your nginx/mysql configuration
08:07<wundoo>podbak by your error message looks like you're using Drupal 7.
08:07<podbak>wundoo: Yes
08:08<wundoo>podbak check you mysql max_connections
08:08<wundoo>and I know there is a way to cap the concurrent request on nginx, I did it on my servers ,but I don't remember exactly how
08:09<podbak>wundoo: thanks, oh isee only max conenections 2. what would you recommend it to set to for 512 MB RAM?
08:11<wundoo>podbak that depends of the concorrency you configured on your nginx
08:12<wundoo>each concurrent request on Drupal takes on mysql connection
08:12<podbak>wundoo: I have worker process:1 worker connections:1024
08:13<wundoo>my server has 300 max connections
08:13<podbak>my only worry is if i increase max connections of mysql, it would gobble up RAm.
08:14<hawk>podbak: Sounds like you have nginx set up to handle up to 1024 simultaneous connections, then?
08:14<podbak>I would see about limiting many connection from single IP
08:14<podbak>hmm it seems like that
08:14<hawk>podbak: I suppose what is probably more relevant is how many php instances will be running. (whatever fastcgi config is relevant for that)
08:15<wundoo>hawk, podbak, that is set on PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS
08:15<podbak>hawk: I have dynamic handling of php5-fpm spawns, with a max of 6 and min of 2
08:15<wundoo>ops, sorry, PHP_FCGI_CHILDREN
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08:18<podbak>wundoo: sorry, but where should I set that variable on php configs or nginc-fcgi config?
08:18<hawk>Ok, so I suppose what you really need to allow is >= 6 connections (assuming what you run only ever opens a single connection). Keep some margin.
08:19<podbak>Ok I will check up with around 10 inital spawn of fcgi.
08:20<podbak>Just 2 mins.
08:20<hawk>Uhm... are we talking about the same thing?
08:20<hawk>If you are raising the number of php process you will need to increase the number of allowed mysql connections more, obviously
08:21<podbak>Yes but wouldn't that increase the usage of RAM too ?
08:21<hawk>I would think so, especially the php stuff you seem to want to increase for whatever reason
08:21<podbak>I am trying to limit from someon who can just open up 100 connections and bring the site down
08:22<hawk>If you want to limit people from bringing things down you probably don't want to just increase the numbers across the board
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08:28<podbak>hawk: hey, I found out limit_zone and limit_conn which I guess wundoo was trying to remember.
08:29<podbak>Now when I throw 100 connections I get consistent usage of 20 % while I can still access my website
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08:39<amitz>rsync seems neat.
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08:39<amitz>i just want to declare that, thank you. /me returns to lurking
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09:19<sumsi>hi, I'm an amateur sysadmin [by that I mean that I run my own little site that gets like 50 hits a day, and I do the sysadmining work purely because it is fun for me], and now I've made cute enemies who're hellbent on trying to somehow trying to compromise my vps. Now, I don't really care a lot if the whole thing is brought down and all my files are stolen; I'm not running anything mission-critical and I don't have really important private stuff on my lino
09:21<sumsi>I do [tail -n 500 -f /srv/http/], but I have more than one of those
09:21<sumsi>and I also do [watch netstat -lantp]
09:21<sumsi>what other fun things should I be monitoring?
09:22<Katana>denyhosts? fail2ban?
09:22<Katana>watching for ssh brute-forcing?
09:23<sumsi>yep, I know of most of those -- I was hoping for suggestions on utilities/methods to actively monitor stuff in real-time
09:23<sumsi>like, yes, watching for ssh brute-forcing
09:23<Katana>What're the common attack points you're trying to watch for? Web-based, then?
09:23<sumsi>but I deny root access outright, and my account names are non-generic, have strong passwords
09:24<Katana>use key authentication, not passwords :)
09:24<Katana>disable pw auth if you can
09:24<rnowak>keys are so 1995, I use secret handshakes, just like the stonecutters
09:25*Katana nods, steps twice to the left, waggles eyebrows at rnowak
09:25<sumsi>I always wanted to do key authentication, but whenever I google up a doc to guide me to do that, my attention span fails after 10 minutes of failing to get it right :). I'll get to it one of these days
09:25<Katana>sumsi: it's actually quite easy. What OS you on, client-side?
09:25<rnowak>!library secure ssh
09:25<linbot>rnowak: 1. Linux Security Basics - | 2. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on CentOS 5 - | 3. Securing Servers with SSL -
09:26*rnowak kicks linbot in the ass
09:26<sumsi>katanaa: windows 7, usually
09:26<sumsi>I use kitty to login to the vps
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09:26<Katana>Should be a utility to gen keys on there, if they package it in like putty does
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09:27<rnowak>if not just grab puttygen from putty's site
09:27<sumsi>hm ok. My other question: [watch netstat -lantp] is a good thing to keep an eye on, correct?
09:27<Katana>If you've got the attention span, and can understand what's going on.
09:28<rnowak>not really "worth" it though
09:28<Katana>more than likely you'll get more noise than signal from that
09:28<Katana>What's the common avenue of attack, fwiw? Is it just probes against your system (firewall) or someone looking for vulns in your apps?
09:29<Katana>like, your website
09:29<sumsi> what are some other methods to monitor connections being that will present to me more meaningful information in a meaningful way? what do you security-conscious people use for your monitoring tasks?
09:29<sumsi>katana: the website hosted has a wordpress blog, there's that. But I keep it updated
09:29<rnowak>you shouldn't have to and can't really monitor arbitrary applications just like that
09:29<sumsi>and I don't have lots of plug-ins loaded up. the ones I do have I think are fairly safe, and up-to-date as well
09:30<rnowak>you need to make sure your SSHd is secure, that you don't have any attack vectors exposed that don't have to be exposed, and hope for the best with wordpress
09:30<Katana>There's something you could use to check for hack attempts on most php-based sites
09:30<Katana>Something called "ZBblock"
09:31<Katana>fellow stopforumspam moderator develops and maintains it. It's not the prettiest code, but it's very good for detecting exploit attempts
09:32<Katana>Things like path traversal attacks, SQLi attempts, RFI, etc
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09:32<rnowak>man, bad routers/dispatchers annoy the hell out of me
09:32<rnowak>so simple to get right, alas
09:33<Katana>May be worth giving that a look - I'm not sure how he loads them in, but there's also net blocks he tracks that are known sources of nastiness.
09:33<Katana>( being one of them)
09:36<sumsi>rnowak> you shouldn't have to and can't really monitor arbitrary applications just like that <- you know there is a reason I ask this. Long ago I knew this infosec guy who casually was telling me about some ping commands and all. I started pinging his server... but as I was just a noob, it never occurred to me I had to stop the pinging. 5 minutes later he asks "hey.. you stopped pinging me, right?" He always seemed to be in the know whenever someone was do
09:36<sumsi>here's one fun question: how can you be aware if someone's doing an nmap scan on you? let's say an aggressive type
09:37<rnowak>you can detect it if you really really want to, but why?
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09:37<rnowak>if you do not have services exposed on specific ports, there's nothing listening there, like shoting into an empty room
09:38<Katana>If you have a firewall, say iptables (or its frontend, ufw) in place, and default deny in, you can scan the logfiles for denials
09:38<rnowak>shouting *
09:38<Katana>I don't know of a prefab solution that allows you to detect a port scan, but something is bound to exist
09:38<sumsi>because the first steps of an attack are planning these things. detecting these things gives you hints that perhaps something is gonna come soon
09:38<rnowak>it won't really help your security that someone performed a port scanning on you
09:38<rnowak>knowing that *
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09:39<rnowak>Services and applications that are visible out are the attack vectors, and I'd be more worried about making sure those are as secure as they can be to your ability and not worrying about detecting port scans, imho
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09:41<sumsi>yep, I appreciate your well-reasoned answers -- my motivation to a lot of these is just doing these things for the fun factor of it [and perhaps that being informed about how to do these things may prove to be useful in some future time for whatever reason -- and know that it is possible in the first place is nice to know as well]
09:41<rnowak>Granted, knowing how to, and if you enjoy it, is reason enough to do it
09:41<Katana>Be careful with wordpress, in any case
09:41<Katana>It's got its poor security reputation for a reason. :\
09:42*Katana waits for someone to twitch at it's usage :3
09:42<sumsi>really, you think so? My impression was that it got its bad reputation because people load up their wordpress install with all sorts of buggy buggy plug-ins
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09:42<rnowak>sumsi: step one, imho, using keys instead of passwords for SSH. Passwords aren't really weaker if they are strong, but it is a good practice.
09:42<sumsi>and themes! buggy themes
09:42<Katana>The core is poorly made - spaghetti.
09:43<rnowak>sumsi: if you want to hide your SSHd from the interweb,
09:43<rnowak>requires a cryptographically signed packet before you will be allowed to connect to sshd in the first place, adding a layer
09:43*amitz introduces his proprietary ssh key generator.
09:43*Katana sells amitz to microsoft
09:43<amitz>ENTERPRISE microsoft windows.
09:44<Nivex>yeah I use Win 7 Enterprise at $WORK
09:44<sumsi>that's pretty interesting rnowak, thanks for the link
09:44<Nivex>"N C C 1 7 0 1. No bloody A, B, C, or D!"
09:44<Katana>sumsi: Wordpress has a history of not directly sanitizing their inputs at point of query - they usually do it farther up in the code flow. Unfortunately, this makes it very hard to spot if whether or not the input was already sanitized.
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09:45<amitz>I should probably try windows 7, for career development
09:45<Katana>sumsi: If you're really curious, open up secunia, check out the vuln history for WP 3.x
09:45<rnowak>sumsi: are all (if you have any) administrative interfaces over https, possibly with client certificates? Client certificates over https, or only bound to localhost and requiring ssh tunneling is a great way to limit access
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09:46<Katana>ssh tunneling is the best way to do it imo
09:47<rnowak>ssh tunneling won't require application logic changes, so it is at least an easier step
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09:48<Katana>Just need to block out the admin interfaces then from public access.
09:49<sumsi>ahh, so it's done with ssh-tunnelling. I always got confused about how one would access the login site if it's bound to localhost. I feel silly and stupid now
09:49<rnowak>For stuff at $work, we authenticate with client certificates, however I made a quick and dirty OTP application for my phone for really destructive actions
09:50<Katana>yep, ssh tunneling can be pretty powerful
09:50<rnowak>and silly easy to get going to, which is a huge plus
09:51<Katana>confidence rating of results is being added to sfs, pedigree liked my code ^.^
09:52<sumsi>about 6 months ago my windows7 was infected with some type of virus that had a keylogged to it [my gmail account was compromised, that's how I found out]. After that I began thinking that because I type my pw everything I login to the linode with putty, that's no longer safe either,
09:53<Katana>Worth noting it's typically recommended to use a passphrase on keys
09:53<sumsi>so what I did then was reformat the computer, and install a bunch of virtual machines. natively the win7 has practically almost nothing. each vm is geared for different tasks -- and I delete/start new ones often. How does this sound?
09:53<rnowak>if you're paranoid enough, get a smartcard reader and dump certificates on a few smartcards
09:53<sumsi>is it a practice done often?
09:53<Katana>The keys are stored plaintext otherwise - with a passphrase it is encrypted
09:53<Katana>sumsi: I know of one person that does it that way, hah.
09:53<Katana>Does basically everything in a VM :)
09:54<Katana>keeps snapshots set up for the VMs too, so he can flash it back to a clean state if anything happens
09:54<sumsi>I like the idea that I don't have to worry about the native install very much... that I don't screw it up much. sure it takes up a lot of space, but it makes things on the whole a lot cleaner
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09:54<Katana>personally I'd rather run the VMs in linux. Cheaper to run it on a lightweight host. :)
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09:55<Katana>Less RAM utilized by the host means there's a bit more to work with for everything else, of course
09:55<Katana>hey rnowak.
09:55<rnowak>my Xen VM host runs debian, and I've got two windows VMs rest lunix, works great
09:56<rnowak>Katana: sup?
09:56<Katana>rnowak: MATH
09:56<rnowak>that's just numeric calculations, not math!
09:56<Katana>it is math!
09:56<sumsi>I tend to stick with vmware. I imagine the configuring and setting up of Xen to get it up and operational is a lot more involved?
09:56<Katana>it's this eqn, just tweaked a bit
09:56<Katana>sumsi: very
09:56<rnowak>sumsi: yep
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09:57<Katana>Personally I've been more of a virtualbox guy myself, but eh.
09:57<rnowak>I'd also not recommend running Xen if you'd be doing it on your primary computer
09:57<A-KO>I'd love to use vmware for a project i'm on but I need templating/cloning :( Free version doesn't have that.
09:57<rnowak>I have a specific server for that purpose
09:57<sumsi>rnowak: what makes it worth it to you that you go through the hassle then -- vs. just using vmware?
09:57<A-KO>so I'm probably gonna move over to Xen for my project
09:58<Katana>xen's fully FOSS if I remember right
09:58<rnowak>sumsi: mostly because it is on a dedicated server in my rack, and I can programmatically control it
09:58<Katana>so you don't have to pay to get all its features
09:58<A-KO>Katana: yeah, the problem is configuration/setting it all up.
09:58<A-KO>and managing it
09:58<rnowak>Citrix Xenserver exists as a commercial variant, but mostly it is just management tools
09:58<Katana>A-KO: indeed. :)
09:58<A-KO>VMWare has some very, very, very, very nice management tools.
09:58<A-KO>and I'd have to hope all of the host hardware is supported properly
09:58<A-KO>etc etc.
09:59<rnowak>The collection of scripts I made to control my Xen host is more than adequate for me, I don't need pretty point and click
09:59<Katana>yes you do
09:59<A-KO>does xen do dynamic memory sharing?
09:59<Katana>you gui bastard
09:59<rnowak>GOOEY BASTARDO
09:59<A-KO>does it allow for thin provisioning?
09:59<A-KO>I need templating/cloning, thin-provisioning, and dynamic memory sharing
09:59<rnowak>can you describe what you mean?
09:59<A-KO>those aren't buzzwords
09:59<Katana>oooo, Shakugan no Shana Final, ep14's up.
09:59<rnowak>thin provisioning, buzz buzz
09:59*Katana goes to download
09:59<A-KO>those are legitimate needs
10:00<rnowak>it is a buzz word, it doesn't describe what it actually is
10:00<rnowak>it is a marketing term
10:00<A-KO>that's not a buzzword :P
10:00<rnowak>it isn't really well defined either
10:01<rnowak>to me it is pretty buzzy
10:01<rnowak>but, to answer your question - I have no idea
10:01<A-KO>essentially, I need thin disk provisioning. I need to be able to thinly clone a parent VM with child VMs, i.e. think of a lab environment and I need 5 hosts of similar OS at once, each of the 5 will be cloned from a parent "master", and share the resources, which allows the other 5 to take up miniscule amounts of space in comparison because they're using most of the parent resources.
10:02<rnowak>that'd be at storage level, and I just use LVM for domU images, not sure if Xen can do magic with that
10:03<rnowak>A-KO: a quick googling suggests it is possible
10:03<rnowak>A-KO: it can't do it across NFS though, apparently
10:03<A-KO>well then
10:04<A-KO>that probably counts that out
10:04<A-KO>good to know
10:04<A-KO>as I was going to use NFS for this project
10:04<rnowak>just stuff I picked up from a quick googling though, might be wrong
10:04<rnowak>"This is because XenServer cannot use "thin provisioning" on block devices (NFS stores, or local "ext" SRs do not have these limitations), as it does not use a clustered filesystem unlike VMWare's VMFS"
10:05<A-KO>I mean, I could do full clones but I'd really prefer not to.
10:05<rnowak>oh wait, did I read that wrong
10:05<A-KO>yes you did
10:05<rnowak>so you can indeed do it
10:05<A-KO>so it seems it can
10:05<A-KO>good to know
10:05<A-KO>I read something about performance between KVM and Xen and Xen needs some patches to the kernel to work well.
10:06<rnowak>iirc full dom0 support is in mainline now
10:07<rnowak>There's a few things to be said about Xen vs KVM, and I like Xen as its hypervisor is outside of the kernel
10:07<rnowak>a lot less code to bring the whole party down
10:07<A-KO>what's a good parent OS for Xen to use? I really would prefer not to install a full linux distro
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10:08<rnowak>I use debian personally, works like a charm, and the networking scripts etc that comes with it makes it rather easy
10:08<A-KO>I was thinking centos....
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10:08<rnowak>my condolences
10:08<A-KO>part of the reason is the group has a lot of Redhat junkies
10:09<rnowak>I've not tried it on CentOS so can't say from experience, but why CentOS?
10:09<rnowak>mhm ok
10:09<rnowak>there's "libvirt" and a few other management tools
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10:10<rnowak>I chose to write my own scripts for the different tasks
10:10<A-KO>the other of course is the hardware support.
10:10<A-KO>it's a poweredge 6950 w/ 8x Opterons (4 socket, dual core), 64GB of RAM, and a perc 5i controller w/ 2x 146G SAS drives (HD upgrade is in the future, which is why I am looking at NFS)
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10:11<rnowak>my host is a dual xeon with 48GB RAM right now
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10:12<rnowak>one of the windows and two of the linux domUs are on a new SSD I got a while back, they are much speedier than on the RAID10 the rest are on heh
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10:14<rnowak>I'd love to get infiniband interconnect between that host and my fileserver, but a wee bit too costy still
10:14<varnent>greetings - I'm with a nonprofit that's looking at Linode to host one of its projects - what's the best way to touch base with a staff member to confirm Linode meets our vendor guidelines?
10:15<linbot> -- Contact information, distro usage and other fun statistics
10:15<rnowak>varnent: probably through there
10:15<varnent>thanks :)
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10:16*Katana freezing :x
10:16<Katana>screw this i'm going back to bed, i'll just curl up and get warm and maybe sleep >.>
10:16<Katana>just really cold
10:16<Katana>got the heaters turned down
10:17<Katana>the laptop loves it, I don't
10:19<Katana>processor sensors say it's running at 105 deg F
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10:20<rnowak>have you played with powertop? gives a nice overview of what is causing wakeups and also the C-state distribution
10:20<rnowak>speaking of laptops ;p
10:21<Katana>my bet is that it'd be chrome causing most of it
10:22<rnowak>with some tuning you can get the wakeups down quite a bit, it is nice
10:22<Katana>ack, linux
10:23<Katana>I'm in windows atm
10:23<rnowak>my biggest offender was the NIC, which was barely every connected
10:23<Katana>I know I've seen the power utility in mint with that built in, too
10:23<rnowak>I've got no idea if something like this exists for windows, would be useful
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11:40<MrKeuner>hi, I have setup exim for send only successfully using Linode library, is there a way to tell exim not to use my fqdn as final destination for my machine and route it to google apps who handles my MX?
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11:44<MrKeuner>or should i be using some tutorial other than "exim for send only"?
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11:46<hawk>Uhm, you're doing things in a weird way if the hostname of the machine is eg rather than something like
11:48<hawk>Which I suppose is why following that guide leads to undesirable results
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11:55<eagles0513875>ahaha thats the name of my friends server
11:55*eagles0513875 declaws the hawk
11:59<MrKeuner>hawk, machine name is foo fqdn is
12:00<@akerl>MrKeuner: What does `hostname` output on your machine?
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12:00<@akerl>And what does `hostname -f` output?
12:00<@akerl>You'll want to replace that with an actual domain that you own...
12:01<@akerl>And also properly configure your /etc/hosts
12:01<MrKeuner>no it shows the actual fwdn I own
12:01<@akerl>Then you'll want to correctly set your /etc/hosts
12:01<MrKeuner>akerl, can you tell me what is wrong with my /etc/hosts
12:01<hawk>MrKeuner: If the hostname is foo, how can the fqdn be anything else than foo.something?
12:02<MrKeuner>several domain names are hosted on yengec and i remember i read somewhere that machine name doesnt have to be foo.fqdn
12:03<swaj>why wouldn't you name it that way?
12:03<hawk>MrKeuner: My point is that foo would be left-most part of the fqdn
12:03<swaj>a domain name is like a surname... do you only have a surname?
12:03<@akerl>MrKeuner: FQDN should be $hostname.$domain.$tld, and your /etc/hosts should reflect that
12:03<hawk>MrKeuner: foo.fqdn makes no sense
12:03<MrKeuner>i see
12:03<eagles0513875>MrKeuner: follow the library documentation on how to set it
12:03<eagles0513875>would you like me to link you
12:03<Bartzy>Hi, probably someone answered before, but I'll try : When I purchase extra storage for a linode - it comes from some extra HDDs that each host machine has ?
12:04<MrKeuner>eagles0513875, yes please
12:04<JshWright>MrKeuner: don't worry.. people can't hack your site simply y knowing your domain name...
12:04<swaj>fqdn == fully-qualified domain name, I.e. $hostname.$domain.$tld -- not $hostname.$fqdn
12:04<Bartzy>Is it better to just bump to the next Linode, so I'll have a better probability of having a bigger I/O pipe (less linodes on each machine) (I/O is what interests me, not RAM/CPU) ?
12:04<MrKeuner>JshWright, it is not a matter of being hacked, it's a matter of logged channels
12:05<MrKeuner>eagles0513875, thakns
12:05<@akerl>? Why does logging your domain name matter?
12:05<eagles0513875>no problem MrKeuner :) what distro are you using if you dont mind me asking
12:05<eagles0513875>MrKeuner: pm me its easy to setup
12:05<eagles0513875>im on lucid with my fqdn setup no problem
12:06<MrKeuner>so emails sent from yengec to accounts on my domain name hosted on yengec doesn't reach my MX because of the hostname problem?
12:07<swaj>the FQDN doesn't need to match the domain it's relaying mail for. It just needs to be a name that resolves both forward and reverse.
12:07<eagles0513875>MrKeuner: if im understanding correctly you want the mail sent forwarded to your gmail correct
12:07<Bartzy>Anyone? :p
12:07<MrKeuner>no I use google apps for handling emails for my domains
12:08<swaj>One server can relay mail for a million domains. It just needs a properly-configured FQDN to get around 99% of spam filters.
12:08<hawk>MrKeuner: You can probably configure exim in some way that would solve it. But your hostname/fqdn problem seems to be why you got these results if you followed the guide you mentioned. (Then you would have configured exim to accept mail for your domain.)
12:08<eagles0513875>hawk: that sounds like he needs an email forward and then mx entries for google in dns
12:08<eagles0513875>for the domain
12:08<eagles0513875>actually thats what i do have
12:08<MrKeuner>i Have the mx entries for google which is working
12:08<hawk>eagles0513875, MrKeuner: Well, he needs to have his MTA know that mail for his domain is not supposed to be delivered locally
12:08<MrKeuner>so mails sent form outside to account on my domains reach gmail
12:08<eagles0513875>Bartzy: poke akerl he would know
12:09<eagles0513875>MrKeuner: sounds to me like there isnt something setup right on exim
12:09<MrKeuner>hawk, i think that is what i need
12:09<Bartzy>akerl: ? :p
12:09<swaj>Bartzy: in theory, yes. Less contention on larger nodes = more I/O for you... but it may not always work out that way
12:10<swaj>if the host you're on now is mostly idle, I/O-wise, you may not see an increase in performance.
12:10<hawk>MrKeuner: Yes, and if you were to follow the guide you mentioned and applied the correct definition of fqdn, I think that's what you would have got
12:10<Bartzy>swaj: And the extra storage when I buy storage in the "Extras" tab?
12:10<MrKeuner>hawk, in exim setup it told me at some level that my domain is autmatically added to list of "final destination is this machine"
12:10<swaj>doesn't help I/O
12:10<@akerl>Bartzy: I'm not sure I understand your question regarding extra space
12:10<MrKeuner>hawk, ok first i'll fix the fqdn issue
12:10<Bartzy>akerl: Where does it come from? The same host has extra space for these extras ?
12:11<swaj>Bartzy: yes :P
12:11<eagles0513875>akerl: where do vms if more space is purchased do they get that space
12:11<eagles0513875>from what im guessing lvm is used
12:11<eagles0513875>correct me if im wrong akerl
12:11<@akerl>The host has disks. They hold stuff. When you add disks, the get some of that space
12:11<eagles0513875>lol akerl
12:12<Bartzy>swaj: so basically if my storage system knows to scale horizontally, it would be better to get many smaller nodes (many spindles) than less bigger nodes (less spindles) ?
12:12<swaj>eagles0513875: each host has a RAID 10 array with extra room for customers "Extras".... I've heard that if the host doesn't have enough available space to give you that extra, then you can be moved to a host that does.
12:12<rnowak>that is always the case, for any contention
12:12<eagles0513875>akerl: another question for you when using lvm do disks have to be on the same machine or can they be on another machine
12:12<swaj>Bartzy: scaling horizontally is reaely always better than vertically, imo.
12:13<swaj>Bartzy: eventually you'll hit the cieling by scaling vertically.
12:16<Bartzy>Also - the swap space is taken away from the storage that is given for my linode ?
12:17<eagles0513875>Bartzy: why does it matter out of curiosity
12:17<Bartzy>eagles0513875: Just to know if it's best to have 10x1024MB linodes or 5x2048MB nodes for a setup I have.
12:17<rnowak>Bartzy: obviously, not that you should have much more swap than 256MB
12:18<eagles0513875>rnowak: correct me if im wrong when i did my level 1 linux cert i learned that swap you allocate 1.5 to 2 times the amount of ram you have
12:18<rnowak>you're wrong
12:18<rnowak>there, I corrected you
12:18<eagles0513875>then what should it be
12:19<rnowak>it depends on what you will be doing, Linode's default and "recommended" is 256MB iirc, and that is more than enough for most purposes on a headless server
12:20<MrKeuner>thanks I think i fixed the fqdn problem. (i always thought fqdn is domain name, it understand now that is hostname.domain name)
12:20<rnowak>swap a few pages here and there that aren't being used, but if you start thrashing you're a goner in most cases anyway
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12:23<eagles0513875>ya i hear ya
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12:40<A-KO>eagles0513875: 1.5-2x is the Windows recommended limit, and Linux and Windows use ram entirely differently, so the same limits don't really apply...(and for that matter it's entirely difficult to compare the two)
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12:40<eagles0513875>interesting but i agree linux and mac use ram much more efficently then winblows lol
12:41<A-KO>eh, wouldn't say it that way, just said that it's different. You're welcome to learn all you want about memory usage. It's very deep stuff, and there are constant arguments based on different scenarios.
12:41<@akerl>My linux machines are always using up loads of RAM!
12:41<eagles0513875>akerl: what you running a porn site lol
12:43<eagles0513875>to be using so much ram
12:44<rnowak>windows adds random padding to use up more memory
12:44<rnowak>true story
12:44<eagles0513875>bubble wrap
12:45<@akerl>eagles0513875: No. My Linux machines always tend to have very little free RAM
12:45<eagles0513875>what are you running on it O_o
12:45<eagles0513875>what i mean is what is running on it service wise to eat up so much ram
12:46<KyleXY>akerl: free ram with caching or without :p
12:46<eagles0513875>only thing i can think of is apache which tends to be rather heaven
12:46<rnowak>KyleXY: scchh
12:46<KyleXY>eagles0513875: Linux at my ram much?
12:46<@akerl>eagles0513875: It's a fresh deployment. No services that aren't on the default minimal image
12:47<eagles0513875>odd and your almost out of ram O_o
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12:47<swaj>no it's not -- he's counting buffers/cache
12:47<@akerl>eagles0513875: Maybe it's because I'm running arch?
12:47<rnowak>last I booted into lunix on my workstation, it managed to use quite a bit of the RAM after a while, and it wasn't doing anything special
12:47<eagles0513875>never tried arch
12:47<eagles0513875>i was impressed with ubuntu 10.04 damn thing was only using 30 mb on a fresh deployment
12:47<@Perihelion>What's a buffer?
12:48<rnowak>(I've got 48GB RAM in my desktop, and lunix was using almost all of it after a while, just kept growing man)
12:48<rnowak>lunix sux
12:48<MrKeuner>thanks hawk fixinf fqdn in exim conf seems to do the trick
12:48<@akerl>rnowak: iknorite?
12:48<@caker>ignore is the best thing ever.
12:48<swaj>turns out, linode is trolling it's community :P
12:48<swaj>SORRY CAKER!
12:49<@Perihelion>How dare you say such a thing
12:49<swaj>DON'T TAZE ME BRO
12:49<@akerl>!linuxatemyram | eagles0513875
12:49<@akerl>^- useful info on what I was joking about
12:49<A-KO>hey, caker, serious question, and I get arguments on this. Xen or KVM? (Windows/Linux Guests). My argument is that you guys use Xen for your architecture and it's a fairly successful deployment...but I've had arguments that KVM is better...
12:50<@caker>A-KO: they both do the same damn thing, imo. KVM is probably easier to get rolling with
12:50<EugeneKay>I'm a VMware guy myself. vSphere is sexy.
12:50<@caker>if you don't have hardware virt support, KVM isn't an option.
12:50<A-KO>hm ok
12:50<A-KO>thakfully we do, it's AMD-V though
12:51<EugeneKay>And being able to move a VM from Workstation on my desk/laptop into ESXi and vice-versa is oh-so-nice
12:51<@caker>if you don't have hardware virt support, Xen can only run paravirtualized guests (no full virt).
12:51<EugeneKay>If your hardware doesn't have VT-x or AMD-V, you need to buy something newer than 2006.
12:51<A-KO>EugeneKay: the problem is that you don't get cloning/templating with esxi free w/o paying for vcenter (5).
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12:51<A-KO>my hackerspace was given a generous donation of a Poweredge 6950 with 4 socket Opterons (8222's) and 64GB of RAM....
12:51<A-KO>so we're now going to turn it into a VM lab
12:52<A-KO>I've got ESXi on it, but w/o templating/cloning it makes a lab pointless
12:52<eagles0513875>A-KO: try out ubuntu 11.04
12:52<@caker> <-- is ridiculously easy. download, double click, VIRTUALIZE
12:52<matin>im going to try again, does anyone here know how to set up pinax on linode?
12:52<@caker>matin: the same way you'd set it up otherwise.
12:52<EugeneKay>Vbox is also ugh when dealing with a lab-like environment.
12:52<eagles0513875>so easy to get xen up and running and creating systems to use kickstart scripts and network boot installation
12:52<matin>haha ignore the "on linode" part
12:53<eagles0513875>you A-KO might have better luck then me
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12:53<EugeneKay>matin - you'll find more help in #pinax or something
12:53<matin>does anyone know how to set up pinax? im getting errors with using mod_wsgi
12:53<@caker>matin: ?
12:53<EugeneKay>I've never even heard of it, for one :-p
12:53<eagles0513875>me neither what is pinax
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12:54<eagles0513875>its django based
12:54<EugeneKay>Google says its some sort of Django.... thing.
12:54<eagles0513875>and geared for social networking
12:54<eagles0513875>i thought django worked with mod_fastcgi or what ever its called
12:54<swaj>uwsgi ftw
12:55<EugeneKay>I thought it worked on crystal methamphetamine, but I've been wrong before.
12:55<eagles0513875>that is something i would be very interested in setting up :D
12:55<EugeneKay>A meth lab?
12:55<rnowak>eagles0513875: question, do you ever read about something before spewing out bs? just curious
12:55<eagles0513875>im saying pinax
12:56<eagles0513875>yes i do i have yet to do any django app deployment yet im still doign django development
12:57<swaj>nginx + uwsgi = teh sexy for python web app deployment :P
12:57<rnowak>uwsgi is fucking hot
12:57<Cromulent>meh I'm still using nginx + fastcgi + deamontools for my django deployments
12:57<rnowak>uWSGI too, and it does Lua, and a lot else than just python
12:58<Cromulent>daemon tools even
12:58<swaj>nginx supports uwsgi out of the box
13:00<rnowak> batteries and steroids and illegal growth hormones included, bestestest
13:01<rnowak>the minor performance loss compared to other zomgfast solutions is easily outweighed by all the awesome features it brings
13:02<swaj>uwsgi is pretty zomgfast for my stuff anyway :P
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13:02<rnowak>it is blazingly zomgfast indeed
13:02<MTecknology>uwsgi is neat
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13:02*MTecknology approves
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13:03<rnowak>adds very little overhead, so mostly it is just your application
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13:18<Nivex>Katana: gesundheit
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13:18<EugeneKay>Hello, Katana's cat!
13:19<MTecknology>EugeneKay: +1 hilarious
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13:23<matin>hey, i have a kind of stupid question
13:23<Katana>actually that was a facekeyboard
13:23<matin>if i do python runserver
13:24<matin>can i access
13:24<matin>i mean can i access the server from the ip
13:24<MTecknology>matin: probably not... i dobt 3 octets is ever valid
13:25<MTecknology>k- now that depends on how your app is configured
13:26<matin>what do i have to do to make it so that i can
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13:26<MTecknology>configure your app
13:26<MTecknology>vim probably
13:26<matin>im brand new to using servers
13:26<matin>so apache?
13:27<eagles0513875>that will come at the end
13:27<MTecknology>i'm sure you app was distributed with a readme and probably has a wiki that you should become familiar with
13:27<eagles0513875>during development use what you mentioned above
13:27<matin>can you please instruct me what to do
13:27<eagles0513875>do you need to connect to it from a remote machine
13:27<eagles0513875>the way i have things setup i have a git version control repository which i only have access to
13:28<eagles0513875>and i clone to any machine i work on the code base and push any chance i make to the repository
13:28<Katana>i have a deploy branch, myself
13:28<eagles0513875>atm im doing this master branch then once i get closer to deployment ill branch it
13:28<Katana>I also have a neat little script which I use to pull all latest commits from the deploy branch :3
13:29<eagles0513875>matin: im working on about 3 different machines but its very helpful
13:29<Katana>my testbed runs master, my deploy has a special config which triggers all the caching and whatnot
13:29<matin>well i want a site to be displayed on
13:29<matin>im using espresso with sftp
13:29<swaj>matin: I don't think that runserver is recommended for production, although I'm not a django dev
13:29<eagles0513875>swaj: its not
13:29<swaj>if I had to guess, you'll probably want something like uwsgi + nginx
13:29<eagles0513875>even says in tutorial documentation
13:30<matin>yeah, i just wanted to see if pinax worked
13:30<eagles0513875>matin: then test with the python runserver
13:30<eagles0513875>thats the best way to test if it works
13:30<eagles0513875>also for deployment see the documentation
13:30<swaj>so for testing it's probably fine, but I dunno how to make it run on the public interface
13:31<eagles0513875>me neither but i do know one thing for sure you dont put the site in /var/www but you have to read the documentation as i am not at that stage yet
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13:31<eagles0513875>matin: just follow this and it should run
13:31<swaj>I don't think it matters where the code is.
13:31<matin>eagles0513875 i tried doing runserver, but i cant access it
13:31<swaj>I keep my production deployments in the home directory of a special service account.
13:31<eagles0513875>swaj: i read they recommend not to put it in /var/www as its a big security risk
13:32<mbreslin>for starters: please read/complete the whole django tutorial
13:32<swaj>only for a default install of most webservers, which is why
13:32<matin>i did runserver, but nothing is showing up
13:32<mbreslin>for second it's runserver interface:port
13:32<eagles0513875>mbreslin: hes using pinax which is social networking style django app
13:32<eagles0513875>mbreslin: not true
13:32<eagles0513875>if you do just runserver it will run on localhost:8000
13:33<mbreslin>eagles0513875: i understand what it is if he finishes the django tutorial he will see how to specify an interface with runserver
13:33<mbreslin>ie runserver interface:port
13:33<mbreslin>like i said
13:33<matin>so then i have to do
13:33<swaj>yeah, so "python runserver"
13:33<matin>ah ok
13:33<eagles0513875>speaking of time to bust out the project code
13:33<matin>holy shit
13:33<matin>worked like magic
13:33<mbreslin>matin: i love that you're interested but as we told someone else yesterday, please do the tiniest bit of effort on your part
13:34<mbreslin>especially considering django has absolutely excellent documentation
13:34<eagles0513875> <--- and this should get you running no problem
13:34<eagles0513875>mbreslin: i agree very few projects have amazing documentation on their stuff
13:34<matin>sorry mbreslin
13:34<eagles0513875>xen website is a big mess hard to navigate
13:34<mbreslin>eagles0513875: from my /lastlog:
13:34<mbreslin>01/14(17:52) < mbreslin>
13:34<eagles0513875>great minds think alike
13:35<mbreslin>24 hours ago this was told to him is my point
13:35<matin>i never actually looked at the runserver command
13:35<matin>haha i went through the install 15 times
13:35<mbreslin>01/15(10:32) < mbreslin> for starters: please read/complete the whole django tutorial
13:35<mbreslin>the keyword being complete
13:35<matin>not once did i think that i could do something with runserver
13:35<eagles0513875>matin: the django tutorials would help you understand how django works and how to program for it
13:36<EugeneKay>DOing something 15 times and not getting it working is a good indictor that you're messing something up.
13:36<mbreslin>if you complete the tutorial you'll have a great basic understanding of django
13:36<matin>haha i think im going to go read the tutorial
13:36<eagles0513875>i have but im rusty on the tutorial
13:36<matin>and actually start at the beginning this time
13:36<mbreslin>matin: YAY!
13:36<eagles0513875>matin: its hands on so probably wouldnt hurt to try things out so you understand how things work
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13:36<mbreslin>make the whole tutorial project i forget what it even is now
13:36<mbreslin>todo list or blog or some thing
13:37<matin>haha pinax uses bootstrap now
13:37<matin>of course...
13:37<mbreslin>either way by the end of it you'll be quite familiar with django
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13:37<eagles0513875>mbreslin: i think even with out knowing anything bout django you should be able too get pinax running
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13:38<mbreslin>eagles0513875: pinax was running, without knowing about django he wasn't able to access the site
13:38<matin>had i known about runserver options, this wouldve saved me about 12 hours
13:38<eagles0513875>must say though matin thanks for bringing up pinax
13:38<eagles0513875>looks very very interesting
13:38<matin>haha sure
13:39<matin>it's just me cheating on a project :P
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13:39<Katana>woo, 69 days of uptime.
13:39<eagles0513875>shame on u would love to see you try and figure out how to develop your own django app with out doing the tutorial
13:39<eagles0513875>thats the way i started but i got so frustrated i ended up doing the tutorial
13:39<matin>eagles made a small one
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13:39<matin>basic space game app
13:40<matin>where you can do research
13:40<matin>but it was all local
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13:40<matin>can do research, attack, conquer, etc*
13:41<eagles0513875>what are we all concurring on haha
13:41<Katana>i have no idea
13:41*Katana setups
13:41<eagles0513875>what we setting up
13:42<mbreslin>also i should note real men use runserver --ipv6 ::1
13:42<matin>so now, i just configure apache for my django
13:42<eagles0513875>hehe :D
13:42<matin>should i just use fastcgi?
13:42<eagles0513875>make sure you read the django documentation for deployment
13:42<matin>or is mod_wsgi better
13:42<eagles0513875>matin: read the django documentation on deployment
13:43<eagles0513875>whats that mean Katana
13:43<eagles0513875>to read the fuckin dictionary?
13:43<matin>read the fucking docs
13:43<eagles0513875>wait haha oops
13:43<eagles0513875>i always knew it as rtfm = read the fuckin manual
13:43<matin>thanks, i will :)
13:43<mbreslin>matin: generally for apache it's mod_wsgi these days
13:44<matin>got it :)
13:44*eagles0513875 starts preparing a party for matin in regards to reading the docs
13:45<matin>now to close the 30 tabs i have open about pinax and virtualenvs
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13:47<matin>alright, ill probably be back later with another question
13:48*mbreslin deep sigh
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13:48<eagles0513875>mbreslin: another satisfied customer lol
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13:51*CaptObviousman wanders in
13:51*CaptObviousman sticks a fathead of Ray Rice on the wall and starts throwing darts at it
13:53<mbreslin>i just scrolled up and noticed caker gave him the same readthedocs link earlier, that's 3 times in 24 hours
13:53<mbreslin>kids these days
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13:59<CaptObviousman>but I read the docs already 20 times and its still not working tell me what to do I don't know how to live my liiiiife
14:00<CaptObviousman>mbreslin: how i mine for fish?
14:01<mbreslin>if they didn't see it in an instagram pic linked from a celebrity's twitter feed
14:01<mbreslin>it probably isn't important
14:03<CaptObviousman>what is django again? python on rails?
14:03<mbreslin>python web framework
14:04<EugeneKay>It's web scale
14:04*CaptObviousman never did learn python or ruby
14:04<mbreslin>yeah i'm sure there's a mongo adapter so it's plenty web scale
14:04<Bartzy>I configured all my linodes with a 512MB swap. Now I wonder if I should take the time to resize it and my other partitions to get that 256MB back :D
14:04<CaptObviousman>I'm trying to land a job at a small devel team, one of the guys is a ruby fanatic. I suppose it would do me good to show up knowing a bunch of ruby the next time I see him
14:05<CaptObviousman>Bartzy: just delete some of your porn
14:05<CaptObviousman>oom_killer sucks, better to "lose" 256MB than set it loose
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14:08<Bartzy>CaptObviousman: Yeah but basically if I get 256MB into swap I'm already in big trouble...
14:09<EugeneKay>Heh. OOM.
14:09<eagles0513875>out of mana woohoo ;p
14:09<EugeneKay>I have 402 free :-D
14:10<CaptObviousman>Bartzy: you never know
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14:12<Bartzy>CaptObviousman: ...? I do know that if I have so much pages swapped to disk the server is pretty much dead in water
14:12<CaptObviousman> total used free shared buffers cached
14:12<CaptObviousman>Mem: 360 322 38 0 24 121
14:12<CaptObviousman>-/+ buffers/cache: 176 183
14:12<CaptObviousman>Swap: 511 23 488
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14:12<avenj>Bartzy: if Nothing Is Seriously Wrong, swap gives the vm system a place to dump inactive stuff to make room for filesystem cache
14:13<avenj>if Something Goes Wrong, swap buys you a little time
14:13<avenj>negatives are few
14:14<literal_username>Hi all, I am setting up a new linode with Arch. Right now it has only one IP address, but I'm setting it up static in preparation for more. It works. But here's the thing: there's this problematic delay in any network connection. It's not latency -- it's initial delay.
14:14<literal_username>SSHing in takes like 20 to 30 seconds before the box answers.
14:15<literal_username>Pinging out is fast, once it begins, but there's a real delay before it begins.
14:15<CaptObviousman>is it bad that I stopped reading at "a new linode with Arch." ?
14:15<avenj>literal_username: are your nameservers broken ?
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14:15<@akerl>literal_username: Pastebin your ssh -vvv output
14:16<literal_username>I don't think that's it. I updated resolv.conf, and host lookups work.
14:16<literal_username>After a delay.
14:16<literal_username>akerl: I will, one sec.
14:16*CaptObviousman prepares for a novel
14:18<Bartzy>avenj: So why linode recommends and defaults to 256MB of RAM ?
14:18<swaj>you mean swap?
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14:19<@akerl>Bartzy: Using swap is not bad. Thrashing swap is bad.
14:19*tparker removes all ram, uses only swap
14:19<@akerl>Generally, your swap usage, not including thrashing, will fit easily on far less than 256mb
14:20<Bartzy>akerl: Even on 8GB linodes ?
14:20<@akerl>Bartzy: Even on * Linodes
14:20<Bartzy>swaj: Yeah sorry
14:20<swaj>I don't even enable swap truthfully. I've got 16 GB of RAM in my desktop, and swap just seems silly.
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14:22<@akerl>literal_username: Did you Ctrl-C that?
14:22<literal_username>No, I did ssh -vvv <addr> 2> ssh.log
14:22<literal_username>I know, it has ^Ms
14:23<literal_username>No, you can't see them on the web version, though.
14:23<literal_username>Why do you ask?
14:23<swaj>should be dumping the entire output, not just stderr
14:23<@akerl>Because that shows you closing the connections
14:24<CaptObviousman>swaj: I don't blame you
14:24<CaptObviousman>on the not-having-swap thing
14:24<literal_username>I'm looking at line 8.
14:24<literal_username>That *is* all output.
14:24<@akerl>literal_username: That's all the stderr output...
14:25<swaj>2> file.log only redirects strerr.. not stdout
14:25<@akerl>And if you had an rsa1 key, I'd tell you to nuke it
14:25<literal_username>That's what I'm thinking.
14:25<literal_username>Of course it's in use...
14:25<literal_username>One sec.
14:25<Bartzy>swaj: But the OS indeed swaps stuff it doesn't need. You say that because you have so much free RAM it just never happens ?
14:26<CaptObviousman>well, basically
14:26<@akerl>Bartzy: That's only really useful if not swapping it would cause you to run out of RAM. When total RAM usage doesn't approach total RAM, swap is pointless
14:26<CaptObviousman>the OS will try to be smart and swap little-used stuff to swap ahead of time, since it's such a slow operation
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14:26<CaptObviousman>instead, with no swap it just leaves it all in RAM as expected
14:27<swaj>I'd rather let my ram do what it's good at :)
14:27<CaptObviousman>and doesn't cache quite as aggressively
14:28<swaj>the point of 16 GB of RAM, for me at least, is that RAM usage becomes a non-issue and completely inconsequential. So I turn off SWAP and let my RAM flex it's muscles
14:28<hawk>akerl: That of course depends. If inactive things are tying up ram that could be used for cache or whatever, it might still be worthwhile depending on how big of a margin we are talking about of course
14:28<literal_username>akerl: I moved my local .ssh directory. There's still a delay.
14:29<literal_username>And btw, the only stdout you missed was ssh asking me for my password.
14:29<CaptObviousman>literal_username: sometimes I have a delay in connecting with ssh as well
14:29<swaj>and probably 90000 debug messages
14:29<CaptObviousman>I always figured it was computer a 200 digit prime or something
14:29<literal_username>I have another linode running debian. It's way faster.
14:30<@akerl>hawk: I was including cache in "total RAM usage"
14:30<hawk>akerl: ok
14:30<CaptObviousman>I don't mind my OS caching. It doesn't shrink my penis to only have 125MB free out of 8GB
14:31<swaj>I mean right now, I'm running swtor, spotify, and various small crap, and I'm sitting at 6.06 GB RAM usage :P 10 GB free :)
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14:31<hawk>I will say, Windows specifically is not entirely happy about having a pagefile
14:31<literal_username>So I'm SSH'd in. I `ping`. There's a 5-second delay. Then it prints "PING ( 56(84) bytes of data." Then there's another 5-second delay. Then the ping log finally starts, and it's low latency.
14:31<swaj>yeah I turn off the pagefile for sure
14:32<swaj>with 16 GB I def. don't need it
14:32<CaptObviousman>so is swtor for the super starwars fanatics living the dream, or is there stuff for the less enthused?
14:32<linbot>New news from forums: Using DNS Internally in General Discussion <>
14:32<swaj>CaptObviousman: I'm not a diehard SW fanboi, if that's what you mean. And I'm enjoying it quite a bit. Very well-polished and fun.
14:32<hawk>swaj: My point about it not being happy is not even about free memory or RAM usage or anything. There is functionality that is entirely dependent on the pagefile
14:33<CaptObviousman>I've just got so much invested in EVEe
14:33<swaj>I played WoW since beta :P
14:33<swaj>turned it off now that swtor has rocked
14:33<CaptObviousman>ugh WoW
14:33<hawk>swaj: Such as the ability for it to create a memory dump in case of a crash
14:33<eagles0513875>im bout tempted to boot bk onto windows
14:33<EugeneKay>WoW: Virginity, only $14.95/mo!
14:33<eagles0513875>and play some skyrim
14:34<swaj>my wife plays swtor with me too :P
14:34<CaptObviousman>I need one of those
14:34<CaptObviousman>a wife I mean
14:34<CaptObviousman>which store did you go to?
14:35<swaj>my wife is pretty good to me :P
14:35<CaptObviousman>was it expensive?
14:35<swaj>I don't deserve her
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14:35<CaptObviousman>she's not reading over your shoulder is she?
14:35<swaj>the courting process is quite expensive
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14:35<CaptObviousman>cause if so she's probably wanting to slap me
14:35<swaj>no she's taking a nap, lol
14:35<swaj>however now, the 11-month-old far outweights the wife in total cash output :)
14:35<CaptObviousman>IT WAS A JOKE, swaj-wife!
14:35<CaptObviousman>ah congrats
14:36<swaj>thanks :P
14:36<CaptObviousman>I could stand to lose a few pounds before going to the wife store
14:36<swaj>I could stand to lose a few myself
14:36*CaptObviousman wonders how much tread this joke has left on it
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14:37<swaj>my wife has a good ROI though :P
14:37<hawk>CaptObviousman: Considering the longevity of the urmom jokes, I would guess you can keep going for a good while
14:37<CaptObviousman>did you do the DINK thing for a while?
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14:38<swaj>eh, we were together for about 2 years before she got preggo :P
14:38<swaj>actually 3
14:38<swaj>she thought about doing the stay-at-home mom thing, but decided it would drive her too nuts :P
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14:39<CaptObviousman>sounds familiar, my sister had the same process
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14:52<matin>hey, i looked around for a while
14:52<bung>just to confirm, if i want to move a site from one linode i own to another, and the domain is already pointed at linode, i just need to change the A/AAA record ips and wait for a while right?
14:52<matin>and tried making some changes, but im still getting a "could not resolve hostname" when trying to restart apache
14:53<kyhwana_>bung: yes
14:53<bung>kyhwana_: cheers
14:53<eagles0513875>matin: dont wry about that for now
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14:53<matin>eagles0513875, the apache server won't start up
14:53<matin>so i cant view it through the members domain
14:54<swaj>did you do something like <VirtualHost> where doesn't exist in DNS or resolve properly to an IP your linode owns? :P
14:54<eagles0513875>matin: this is probably what you want and you also probably have a wrongly configured vhost
14:54<matin>well it's
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14:55<matin>yeah eagles i have no idea what to do
14:55<matin>i did hostname, and it's set to matin1 as i did earlier
14:56<matin>oh wiat
14:56<matin>i think i missed a step
14:56<eagles0513875>documentation works i have tried it on ubuntu
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14:56<eagles0513875>read carefully :p
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14:58<matin>alright good
14:58<eagles0513875>now try start apache
14:58<matin>no more " could not resolve hostname
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14:58<matin>now im just getting ""
14:58<matin> * Starting web server apache2!
14:59<eagles0513875>did you setup a vhost
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14:59<matin>well, it's 000-default
14:59<matin>idk why
14:59<eagles0513875>thats standard with apache freshly installed
14:59<eagles0513875>let me get u the documentation for it
15:00<matin>i renamed it to
15:00<matin>oh it's .members.
15:00<eagles0513875>if your using vhosts read that document
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15:00<eagles0513875>matin: do i need to login to ur linode and get you up and running
15:01<eagles0513875>actually wont be a gd idea lol then you wont learn anything if i do the work for you
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15:03<matin>damn, now im getting no virtual hosts set up
15:04<matin>eagles do you want to try taking a look
15:04<matin>or if we can go on another chat service
15:04<matin>so that i can send you the files
15:05<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
15:05<matin>because to the best of my knowledge im doing it right
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15:06<matin>theres the virtual host file
15:07<swaj>no alias needed, since it matches the servername
15:07<swaj>remove the serveralias line
15:08<matin>removed, still getting
15:08<swaj>check syslogs
15:08<swaj>/var/log/httpd or similar
15:08<swaj>sudo tail -n 10 /var/log/httpd.log (or whatever the file is called)
15:09<matin>no such file
15:09<swaj>I'm not sure what apache's log file is
15:09<swaj>it's in /var/log somewhere
15:09<matin>oh foudn it
15:09<matin>found it
15:09<A-KO> < wow, Windows Server 8's GUI will be entirely optional.
15:10<EugeneKay>Windows Server 2008 R2's already s
15:10<swaj>"Core" installs still have a minimal GUI
15:10<EugeneKay>I should figure out how to do a Core isntall
15:11<A-KO>EugeneKay: they're adding over 2300 powershell cmdlets to manage all aspects of Windows Server functions
15:11<A-KO>that's where the difference is now
15:11<matin>swaj, (2)No such file or directory: apache2: could not open error log file /srv/excello/logs/error.log.
15:11*EugeneKay makes a funny face
15:11<swaj>there you go
15:11<swaj>so /srv/excello/logs doesn't exist
15:11<swaj>it can't write to a directory that doesn't exist
15:12<matin>lol 500 error
15:12<matin>but we're closer
15:12<swaj>that'll be an issue with the python stuff them
15:12<swaj>apache is working
15:13<matin>[Sun Jan 15 15:13:02 2012] [error] [client] No WSGI daemon process called 'excellonet' has been configured: /srv/excello/excellonet/
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15:14<swaj>You're a bit on your own there. I've got no idea what excellonet is
15:14<matin>it's my app
15:15<matin>in the vhost, i said make a wsgi daemon process called excellonet
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15:15<linbot>New news from forums: Mount disk image in General Discussion <>
15:15<matin>lines 10 and 11
15:16<matin>do you think i could just remove the process group?
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15:18<swaj>change the group name to just excello, since that's what you called the process
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15:19<swaj>(I'm guessing from the docs I'm reading, I don't host wsgi stuff on apache... I prefer uwsgi + nginx)
15:19<swaj>so that log looks like python stack traces telling you that the pinax modules aren't available.
15:20<matin>oh wiat
15:20<matin>i added the group as excello
15:20<matin>now no more in error.log
15:21<matin>instead now im getting database error
15:21<swaj>so you need to configure a database for pinax probably. Look at their installation guide
15:22<matin>it's configured
15:22<matin>dev.db in the excellonet directory
15:23<matin>just fyi, directories are /srv/excello/excellonet
15:23<swaj>doesn't mean pinax can open it
15:23<swaj>who owns the directory/file, and what user is the process running as?
15:23<swaj>make sure the permissions are right
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15:23<laser`>matin: Try specifying the full path, the current working dir is probably not what you think it is
15:23<laser`>also, fyi, sqlite is a bad idea for production
15:23<matin>laser` when i do that do i have to restart apache?
15:23<matin>yeah, im going to switch to mysql
15:24<swaj>if apache is hosting the wsgi process, then yes (which I believe it is)
15:24<laser`>No, but you do need to tell WSGI to reload the file
15:24<laser`>You can do this by using touch on the wsgi file you're pointing to
15:24<matin>fuck yes
15:24<matin>it works :D
15:25<swaj>good :P
15:25<swaj>now buy a domain name and get a real DB :)
15:25<matin>"attempt to write to readonly database"
15:26<swaj>yeah it means the wsgi process can't write to that file
15:26<laser`>that's probably a permissions issue
15:26<swaj>check file permissions on the sqlite DB
15:26<matin>just chmod 777
15:26<swaj>rofl, bad idea
15:26<swaj>but if you don't give a crap about security, go for it
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15:27<matin>im switching over to mysql anyway
15:27<swaj>wow Joah... spamming a competitor through a hostmask? you're special :)
15:28<@ericoc>openvz D:
15:28<swaj>I wanna do business with companies that spam with rDNS :)
15:28<@ericoc>very subtle
15:29<matin>i chmoded
15:30<matin>except now im getting unable to open database file
15:30<matin>try signing up
15:31<swaj>just go install mysql and stop fscking with sqlite :)
15:31<swaj>if you aren't gonna use it in prod anyway
15:32<matin>good point
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15:40<matin>hey im getting mysql_config not found, any ideas what to do?
15:41<literal_username>Turns out it was my resolv.conf after all that was slowing me down. What do you folks use for nameservers? I changed it to and it's blazingly fast, but I'd rather use something local to Freemont if it's comparable.
15:41<eagles0513875>matin: is it installed
15:41<swaj>literal_username: the resolvers are in the remote access tab of your linode
15:41<matin>yeah i just made a database in mysql
15:41<matin>but when i tried to syncdb, it didnt work
15:42<eagles0513875>just install the database
15:42<matin>so then i did pip install MySQL-python
15:42<literal_username>swaj: Sweet, thanks!
15:42<swaj>sudo apt-get install mysql-dev
15:42<swaj>literal_username: np
15:42<eagles0513875>and that too the mysql-dev pkg
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15:42<swaj>the mysql-python drivers probably use the mysql API, which means you need mysql headers, in the mysql-dev package
15:43<matin>swaj, package not found
15:43<swaj>matin: sudo apt-get install libmysqlclient-dev
15:43<swaj>should fix that
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15:45<matin>fuck yes
15:45<matin>thank you
15:46<matin>damn sqlite
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15:47<mbreslin>it's unlikely you'll reach the level of load that would make sqlite suck with a high school project
15:47<mbreslin>one can always hope
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15:48<swaj>probably not, but it's always fun to follow best practices in a prod environment, no? :P
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15:48<matin>im not doing a high school project?
15:49<mbreslin>are you founding another geeksquad?
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15:50<eagles0513875>one man ggek squad :p
15:50<mbreslin>the geeksquad guy is pretty effing hardcore
15:51<matin>haha no
15:51<matin>im recreating a game tournament website
15:51<mbreslin>when you go from fixing old people's pcs to telling best buy to make you the coo i'm impressed
15:52<linbot>New news from forums: New user and worried about the graphs in Performance and Tuning <>
15:52<matin>he somehow thought that a wordpress developer could just code a scalable website in django
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15:55*Katana creates a new internet
15:58<mbreslin>matin: that's cool just make sure to charge him the "i had to learn multiple new technologies to do your thing" tax
15:58<Katana>no, fee
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16:04<matin>mbreslin, i accepted the job because an employer asked me to do it
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16:05<matin>otherwise i would be playing with node.js
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16:05<mbreslin>nothing wrong with taking paying gigs that are offered
16:05<mbreslin>rock on
16:06<swaj>web dev with node.js is more difficult than other languages like python only because javascript kinda sucks :P
16:06<mbreslin>coffeescript all the things
16:07<swaj>coffeescript = javascript that wants to be python/ruby -- no thanks :/
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16:08<mbreslin>fine fine
16:08<mbreslin>javascript - the good parts all the things then
16:08<swaj>I enjoy JS, but some of its "features" are a bit... difficult :)
16:09<EugeneKay>node.js is web scale!
16:10<@heckman>urmom is a scale breaker
16:10<matin>haha async blew my mind
16:10<EugeneKay>I wouldn't say that to her face. She wears combat boots and packs a .45
16:11<swaj>I just like functional programming
16:11<matin>my employer told me to learn django*
16:12<matin>which doesnt make sense to me, because im doing front-end engineering
16:12<swaj>django is good, and python is good, so your employer at least asked you to do something fun :)
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16:12<matin>true, but i was just getting to understand node
16:13<matin>and all its wonders
16:13<matin>but it's good because now im learning python :D
16:13<swaj>if you enjoy async programming, go play with twisted for python :)
16:13<matin>haha yeah i saw it
16:13<matin>someone showed it to me earlier
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16:15<matin>i just saw my bandwidth
16:15<matin>it says i have 116 for the month
16:15<matin>i thought i had 200?
16:15<swaj>bandwidth is pro-rated, since Linode bills on the first of the month
16:15<swaj>After Feb 1, it will say 200
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16:18<swaj>you'll notice when you created your linode, you didn't pay full price for the first month either :)
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16:42<bung>after changing the ips on the A/AAAA record, how long should i normally wait to see the change
16:42<bung>is it like a domain resolving 24-72hrs?
16:42<bung>i see something about every quarter of an hour on the bottom of the page
16:42<bliblok>That depends on your TTL.
16:42<bung>but its been 2 hrs
16:42<bung>ah i see
16:42<bung>ok let me check mind
16:43<bliblok>What's the domain name?
16:43<bob2>basically, ns[1-5] will show the changes in <= 15 minutes, caching nameservers will hold on to the old record for up to the TTL
16:43<retro|blah>What is "default", bung?
16:43*bung googles
16:43<bob2>google won't help
16:43<bob2>since it's a linode thing
16:44<bung>looks like most defaults are <300
16:44<bung>he was just asking me what default was
16:44<bung>i assumed he was telling me to look it up
16:44<bob2>what's the domain?
16:44<bung>sorry, you need it ?
16:44<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
16:44<bung>are you staff?
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16:45<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
16:45<bung>alright well, its
16:45<bob2> 86400 IN A
16:45<bliblok>Your ttl is 86400
16:45<bob2>^ up to one day wait
16:46<bung>what command options did you use for that
16:46<Kyh>Unless you have a time machine, no there's no way to make it less now
16:46<bung>im in no rush, i was just wondering when :)
16:46<bung>i see
16:46<bliblok> should be your new IP address, assuming you've done the change correctly.
16:47<bung>yea thats what ive setit to
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16:49<bung>guess i better update my maintenance message, thanks fellas
16:50<bob2>alas that won't work either :)
16:50<bob2>oh, unless you put it on the old machine
16:50<bob2>btw, you can change DNS records without downtime with some care
16:50<bung>thats what i mean yea
16:51<praetorian>86400 ttl!
16:51<bob2>praetorian, shush
16:51<bung>linode default
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16:51<bung>i can read about that later
16:51<alex12>guys do u know are the any shops online that sell downloadable version of windows?
16:51<bung>what should i lookup for the without downtime thing?
16:52<praetorian>you because just lower your TTL to very low, like 300, and then change over
16:52<bung>next time :)
16:52<praetorian>but if you have a 1 day ttl currently, you would have to change to 300, and then wait atleast a day, then think about moving
16:52<bung>ive already made the move
16:52<bung>so tomorrow ill set it to 300
16:52<praetorian>nod, just saying
16:52<bung>np, its good to know
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16:55<bung>alex12: microsoft themselves?
16:55<bung>"delivery method: download + disc, download, disc"
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16:57<alex12>ok cool
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16:57<praetorian>bob2: keynote about to start.
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16:57<alex12>i used linux on laptop however its just mad
16:57<linbot>New news from forums: "Deploy Linux Distribution" Link in General Discussion <>
16:58<praetorian>mad as
16:58<alex12>hmm not as user friendly as windows
16:58<alex12>and less software
16:58<alex12>harder to config security
16:58<@akerl>pacman -Syu *
16:58<alex12>in windows just buy and install
16:59<alex12>linux u have to learn who new skill set
16:59<bung>thats considered the charm for some people...
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16:59<alex12>bung indeed
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17:01<bob2>praetorian, :'(
17:01<bob2>praetorian, don't rub it in
17:01<Kyh>Hmm, anyone here at LCA? ;)
17:01<bob2>crappy sydney
17:02<bob2>Kyh, diaf
17:02<praetorian>bob2: im not there either
17:02*StevenK neither
17:02<bob2>we should have our own lca
17:02<linbot>New news from forums: General Email guidance. in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
17:02<bob2>with hookers
17:02<bob2>and blackjack
17:03<bob2>in fact, forget the lca
17:03<StevenK>The fact that I got home an hour ago after spending 40 hours travelling might be one reason ...
17:03<Kyh>bob2: XD that's OK, i'm not there either
17:03<ajmitch>Kyh: yes
17:03<praetorian>i think hookers and blackjack are outlawed at lca.
17:03<praetorian>but doorhacking isnt
17:03<bob2>and rogue DHCP servers with honeypot ssh servers
17:03<ajmitch>but having a USB port on a door is just so inviting
17:04<praetorian>ain't it
17:04<Kyh>bob2: that's NZNOG with joel wiramu-pauling :P
17:04<ajmitch>Kyh: oh we've had rogue DHCP servers & RAs on the network already
17:05<ajmitch>it screwed up DNS for a bit, can't really reach fd00::1
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17:06<bob2>is there streamign this year?
17:06<Kyh>ajmitch: sweet
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17:06<ajmitch>bob2: I think there's meant to be, I don't know any details
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17:08<bung>you all at the same university or something?
17:08<bung>whats LCA
17:08<bob2>have fun
17:09<praetorian>i heard there isnt streaming in the keynote room
17:11<praetorian>bob2: no streaming for sys admin miniconf
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17:30<linbot>New news from forums: php error logs in General Discussion <>
17:31<Katana>drinking game - every time a WP blog gets hacked, take a shot
17:32<praetorian>im drunk already.
17:32<Katana>that'd be a way to get alcohol poisoning
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17:41<mdcollins>Damn telemarketer.. Hope you liked my silence.
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17:48<EugeneKay>I like to have the fax machine pick up
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17:52<Katana>EugeneKay: >:D
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18:06<mdcollins>While the fax machine is good, they probably hang up right away.. I kept em waiting/
18:07<bill33>How can I substitute variables in bash commands? Let's say I make backup_folder_name=/srv
18:07<bill33>And I run this:
18:07<bill33>echo "Backing up MySQL database into $local_backup_folder/mysql-$backup_folder_name.sql.gz" mysqldump -q -uroot --all-databases | bar | gzip > $local_backup_folder/mysql-$backup_folder_name.sql.gz
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18:07<bill33>the variables won't substitute...
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18:08<praetorian>should transfer it to
18:08<bill33>what do I need to modify on the $backup_folder_name?
18:08<@heckman>bill33: try not using underscores maybe?
18:09<bill33>heckman: okay, I try to see if that's the problem
18:09<@heckman>^ or you could do that
18:10<bill33>hmm, it still gives me an error
18:10<@heckman>pastebin the entire script (redacting any passwords of course)
18:11<bill33>wow, okay, now it works, only because I moved the variable to the top of the program
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18:11<@heckman>Were you trying to use it before you delcared it?
18:12<bill33>ooops, yep... *_*
18:12<@heckman>Yeah, that'll cause breakage.
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18:23<bill33>I'm currently a Linode user... a very happy one I should add. But Linode's prices seem a tad bit high compared to other [pretty good] places like Hostigation and KiloServe. Why do you use Linode instead of cheaper VPS hosts?
18:23<Kyh>features/support/shit works
18:24<Steve^>I'm here for people like Kyh
18:24<mbreslin>they put up with my 4 million stupid questions back when i first purchased nodes
18:25<mbreslin>and they put up with me now that i'm mostly done asking questions yet still refuse to leave
18:25<Steve^>and every time you say lol, so does someone else
18:25<mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:26<bob2>kiloserve uses WHMCS which is a bit of a red flag
18:26<bill33>bob2: why's that?
18:27<bob2>because sensible people avoid it
18:28<bob2>php as root what could possibly go wrong
18:29<praetorian>also i thought openvz let you over-allocate resources?
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18:29<Steve^>you say that in a bad way
18:30<bob2>openvz does
18:30<bob2>hence why it is beloved of shitty hosts
18:30<praetorian>also worth pointing hostigation on the cheat plans, only give you "1 cpu"
18:30<bob2>but so does kvm with the balloon thing
18:30<mbreslin>We offer crazy plans for crazy prices! It's crazy!
18:30<mbreslin>how very used care salesman
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18:30<Steve^>"oops, I just unplugged your server. I'm so crazy!"
18:31<bill33>I have a backup server with them; the disk i/o speed is 150Mb/s
18:31<bill33>pretty good if you ask me
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18:31<bill33>until it goes down... :D
18:32<Kyh>bill33: at what block size?
18:32<bill33>Kyh: I forget. I'll re-run a test.
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18:33<bill33>Kyh: which test is best? Should I use dd?
18:33<encodium>Hi, has anyone setup NFS mounts between linodes? I'm using Ubuntu, and it seems like the kernel module for NFS is not compile in by default
18:33<bob2>99% sure it is
18:34<@caker>encodium: it's compiled in, not as a module. initscripts can be dumb about that.
18:34<@caker>encodium: zgrep NFS /proc/config.gz
18:35<bill33>Kyh: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/output.img bs=8k count=256k 262144+0 records in 262144+0 records out 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 7.49306 s, 287 MB/s
18:35<bob2>er no
18:35<bob2>need to inclyde the sync time too
18:35<bill33>bob2: how to do that?
18:36<encodium>caker - thanks, let me look into that
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18:38<Kyh>bill33: add "oflag=direct"
18:43<bill33>Kyh: okay. testing...
18:49<bill33>ah, less impressive this time! 2147483648 bytes (2.1 GB) copied, 212.892 s, 10.1 MB/s
18:52<mbreslin>only a few orders of magnitude difference
18:54<Kyh>welcome to file system caching
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19:05<encodium>caker - cool, I was able to setup NFS, but for some reason I get "no such device" when I try to mount using nfs4 .. nfs3 seems to work however .. I'm sure I just have to dig a bit further in the config I setup
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19:24<bill32>How to grep "746M /backup" to only show "746M"?
19:24<kyhwana_>How I mine for fish
19:24<wabz>so I have backups going on my linode, but it looks to me like if I wanted to restore I wouldn't be able to because -- not enough free space --, why is this?
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19:24<kyhwana_>bill32: what's between the M and the / ?
19:24<bob2>wabz, because you don't have enough free space
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19:25<bill32>kyhwana_: a tap
19:25<bob2>wabz, you need to get a new linode node to restore to
19:25<kyhwana_>wabz: you don't have enough free space
19:25<bob2>wabz, or free up enough space in the current one
19:25<bill32>I tried this: egrep "[0-9]*[a-zA-Z]
19:25<kyhwana_>bill32: what are you trying to do exactly?
19:25<wabz>right, but why is the size of the backup larger than the size of the disk?
19:25<wabz>or am I completely misunderstanding?
19:25<bob2>you mean "I did du -sh and want the first colum" right
19:25<bob2>wabz, it's not
19:25<bill32>du -hs /backup | egrep "[0-9]*[a-zA-Z]" -o
19:26<bill32>output: 746M /backup
19:26<bill32>[tab between M and /]
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19:26<bob2>wabz, it's that to restore the image requires /enough free space to restore the image/
19:26<bill32>bob2: yes
19:26<bob2>wabz, if you used your whole disk allocation for a disk image, you by definition don't have enough free space
19:26<kyhwana_>bill32: stick "awk '{ print $1 }' on the end ?
19:27<kyhwana_>er, pipe the egrep into that awk
19:27<bill32>kyhwana_: yep, that did the trick!
19:27<kyhwana_>bill32: <3 awk
19:28<wabz>Debian 3.1 (Small) Disk Image (ext3) – 23552MB/23552MB 1024MB Swap Image (swap) – 1024MB/1024MB Unallocated/Free Space 6144 MB.
19:28<wabz>but size required for backup: 24576MB
19:30<kyhwana_>whats 23552+1024?
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19:30<bill32>Another question: so now I have an output of 789M, for example. How can I remove the M it turns into a number?
19:30<bob2>don't pass -h
19:30<bob2>if you don't want -h
19:31<wabz>I just think it's a bit odd that if I broke my linode I wouldn't be able to rebuild it from a backup
19:31<@caker>wabz: your backup contains 23552 MB of data. Plus 1024 to recreate the swap image. Total space required to restore: 24576MB. You need a Linode with at least that much _unallocated_ space to restore into. You can do this with an empty Linode, or one that has that much unallocated-to-disk-images space.
19:31<@caker>wabz: you could restore to that Linode if you removed its disk images.
19:31<bill32>bob2: but I do, just not when I'm calculating the backup change size
19:31<bob2>bill32, 10-4, OVER
19:31<@caker>wabz: make sense?
19:31<wabz>caker: ah. Okay, thanks!
19:32<wabz>sure, that last sentence is what I really needed, thanks
19:32<tpw_rules>does my os have to be rebooted to reset the root password?
19:32<@caker>tpw_rules: from the Linode Manager? yes.
19:32<bob2>(it has to mount the filesystem and diddle it)
19:33<tpw_rules>can i reset it from an account with sudo privleges?
19:33<@caker>tpw_rules: of course.
19:33<bob2>if it can run passwd yes
19:33<tpw_rules>ah, passwd worked
19:36<tpw_rules>what should i put for my FQDN if my linode doesn't have a domain name?
19:36<bob2>get a domain name
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19:37<@caker>tpw_rules: it doesn't really matter ... (until it matters)
19:37<tpw_rules>best place to get a domain name?
19:37<bob2>depends what you mean
19:37<kyhwana_>namecheap or
19:37<bob2>what will you do with your linode
19:38<tpw_rules>it's just for my stuff
19:38<bob2>and you don't own any domains at all?
19:38<kyhwana_>Well, unless you want to remember your IP(s) everytime ;)
19:38<tpw_rules>i own another one
19:39<tpw_rules>that's what i've been doing for the past year
19:39<kyhwana_>You could just make it a subdomain on your existing domain you have?
19:39<tpw_rules>please excuse the inexperience
19:40<kyhwana_>erm create A/AAAA records for <> ?
19:40<kyhwana_>with the IP(s) that your linode has?
19:41<tpw_rules>okay i think i did that
19:42<kyhwana_>yay, you now have a FQDN for your linode.. :) (your hostname on your linode should be "nameoflinode" (whatever you called it)
19:42<tpw_rules>oh wow, it's already working
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19:43<tpw_rules>so the fqdn should be the domain name i gave it?
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19:45<mbreslin>bye bye packers
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19:47<linbot>New news from forums: NodeBalancer IP Question in General Discussion <>
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20:05<dzho>all hail the new york giants
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20:06<hac>does anyone know if Linode supports Windows 2008 VM ?
20:06<bob2>it does not
20:06<bob2>the 'lin' in the company name means HEY NO WE DO NOT DO WINDOWS VMS
20:07<@heckman>Linux Node
20:07<hac>darn it...was looking a place to host a AD instance
20:07<hac>oh well
20:07<bob2>heckman, first appropriate use of irc formatting in 2012!
20:08<GLaDOSDan>Can I run osx server on linode plz
20:08<GLaDOSDan>Do people actually run that, I always figured it was like some april fools joke from apple or something
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20:09<Katana>people with too much money run that
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20:27<dcraig>anyone have any suggestions for a wiki similar to dokuwiki but better?
20:27<user4644>I need more hard drive space for a linode 512, but at the same time I do not need more memory or bandwidth. I have already seen the "extras" and can only add up to 12 GBs. Does linode offer something for my situation?
20:27<Bartzy>Linode hard drives are SATA ?
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20:28<Bartzy>Seems like SATA and not SAS from a sequential write test (~120MB/s).
20:28<dcraig>user1059, you can upgrade to a larger linode (1024, etc.) or use something like amazon S3
20:29<user4644>dcraig: thanks and I don't think amazon has the same service
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20:29<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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20:30<Artificial>Hey guys, I have two linodes, but can't access them - was ages since I built them, I don't know the root password.
20:31<Artificial>Don't want to rebuild as I use one to host all of my git repos.
20:31<dcraig>you can reset the root password from the linode manager
20:31<Artificial>Try to SSH in via lish and always get the login screen.
20:31<Artificial>I see, one sec then.
20:31<dcraig>it's on the rescue tab
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20:33<Dreamer3>really liking sprinke
20:33<Dreamer3>anyone else using it?
20:34<dcraig>sounds like stackscripts
20:34<Dreamer3>aren't stack scripts just for bootstrap?
20:34<Kyh>Artificial: resetting root password requires a shutdown/reset,boot up
20:34<Dreamer3>although i guess some people have some pretty complex bootstraps :)
20:34<dzho>yo dog I herd u liek software so I made software to put software on your software
20:35<Dreamer3>dzho: dude, i had that years ago… called hypercard
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20:39<@heckman>Dreamer3: they are primarily built to run at first boot. I imagine you could tweak the script to run after first boot.
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20:40<Artificial>Kyh: Yep, just shut down and about to reset, thanks
20:41<Dreamer3>heckman: yeah
20:41<Dreamer3>heckman: can you write them in ruby? :)
20:42<Dreamer3>i mean i suppose you could bootstrap ruby too, but i bet it's not there if the installs are clean
20:42*heckman isn't sure if there is a ruby interpreter by default
20:42<Dreamer3>but i guess i really have no idea what's in a base install… a few years ago you got the very minimal install
20:42<Dreamer3>until you logged in and installed the default junk
20:43<@heckman>It depends on the decisions of the distro maintainers really. We try to keep the images as stock as possible.
20:44<Dreamer3>as you should :)
20:44<Dreamer3>the dhcp to start is a nice touch though, though why not just write the ip config? is that so when people move a linode it auto-reconfigures?
20:44<Dreamer3>or is dhcp just the stock default and easier to not change?
20:44<dzho>most distros offer a variety of install images, though
20:45<dzho>well, several big ones do, at least.
20:45<Dreamer3>i mean it took no time to write a sprinkle package to slap the static config on there and restart networking
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20:46<Dreamer3>oh i still need to do /etc/hosts
20:46<Dreamer3>if i have a private lag is the right way to do things to put the local private addresses in the /etc/hosts?
20:46<Dreamer3>so i can use the names and still have them all talk locally?
20:48<@caker>Dreamer3: resolv.conf
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21:00<a1fa>yellow.. i am in process of possibly migrating away from rackspace. i've been with them for last 5 years. why should i switch to linode?
21:00<dwfreed>From what I hear, we're cheaper
21:00<chesty>heckman: I wonder what a non stock horse looks like
21:01<a1fa>dwfreed : i dont mind paying more for better service ;)
21:01<dwfreed>a1fa: that's the other thing, linode responds to all support tickets within 15 minutes
21:02<a1fa>whats the nic speed to the net?
21:02<Kyh>a bajillion bytes/s
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21:02<Kyh>well, to some switches, then it's multiple 10gig to various upstreams, etc
21:02<a1fa>1 gig on each server? or 10Gbe per server
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21:03<swaj>a1fa: inbound traffic is not limited at all, outgoing is 50mbit, but can be raised with a support ticket.
21:03<a1fa>and do you guys offer private inter-connect between servers?
21:03<swaj>in the same DC, yes
21:03<Kyh>I believe it's 1gig to each server..
21:03<a1fa>ok, and do you frown upon ocassional port-scan?
21:03<Kyh>traffic inside DC's is free
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21:04<Kyh>a1fa: I'd assume not, we port scan people who come in here and their shit is broken all the time ;)
21:04<a1fa>perfect ;)
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21:04<a1fa>now, how do i pick the datacenter? i'd like to pick one closest to me
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21:05<a1fa>my isp has some funny peering
21:05<swaj>test files/ip addresses
21:05<Kyh>a1fa: you choose which DC when you create the node
21:05<a1fa>so far so good ;)
21:05<Kyh>mtr to each of the DC's in the speedtest url
21:05<a1fa>where are you guys based out of?
21:06<swaj>New Jersey
21:06<Kyh>I think its new jersey, is the head office
21:06<swaj>privately owned by caker :P
21:06<a1fa>whos datacenter?
21:07<a1fa>(in Newark)
21:07<a1fa>and Dallas?
21:07<a1fa>I won't do business with anyone who does business with CSC :)
21:07*a1fa duck.
21:08<a1fa>nice. looks like you guys have your shit in the row
21:09<auraka>a1fa: CSC? computer sciences corp?
21:09<a1fa>yes -_-
21:10<@heckman>yes, we do. :p
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21:11<a1fa>you dont have anything in 256mb range?
21:11<dwfreed>that's tiny
21:11<dwfreed>even a 512 is small
21:11<chesty>a1fa: sure, but it costs the same as 512
21:12<a1fa>har har har
21:12<chesty>seriously, you can buy a 512 and limit the memory to 256
21:12<swaj>what's really funny a1fa, is
21:12<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:12<swaj>all your answers are coming from linode's community :)
21:12<auraka>heckman: $50 if you replace akerl's arch nodes with gentoo.....just to throw him off a bit more...make everything installed exactly the way it was
21:12<a1fa>chesty : fanatics :)
21:13<@heckman>They are. :p
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21:28<markoso>is it somehow possible to easily setup redirect urls with linode for a site that i use, i could mess with php but just wondering i there is another way
21:28<Kyh>markoso: yes
21:29<markoso>Kyh: ok my bad, forgot to say magic 3 letters: how
21:29<Kyh>requires more information
21:30<dwfreed>Apache, nginx, or lighty?
21:30<Katana>heckman: do it do it do it
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21:32<Kyh>you mean something like
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21:32<markoso>oh mine
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21:35<markoso>Kyh: thanks
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21:37<markoso>where can i find .htaccess file?
21:37<Kyh>you have to write one
21:39<markoso>i see
21:39<markoso>in document root for website i want to use it for?
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21:50<Katana> - great sadness.
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21:57<linbot>New news from forums: OOM on Linode1024 in Performance and Tuning <>
21:57<Kyh>I bet someones running apache
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21:58<Kyh>not enough information in that forum post
21:58*Katana finds a directory named "SecuROM" in his appdata dir
21:59*Katana goes on the warpath
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22:21<[dash>anyone knows what is the maximum outgoing emails allowed per node?
22:21<bob2>don't be that guy
22:22<[dash>exactly, why I'm asking
22:22<bob2>no, you're asking because you're doing something dodgy
22:22<bob2>if it was legit, you wouldn't ask
22:22<[dash>err.. it's legit.. it's a mailing list for a lawfirm
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22:23<@heckman>There is not maximum allowed.
22:23<@heckman>Just make sure you comply to our TOS
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22:26<atealtha>some ISPs are sensitive with outgoing emails, just like how the ATL DC is sensitive about IRC hosting. it's a legit question
22:26<[dash>thanks, heckman.. so I guess 5k/day would merit to 'fair' usage
22:27<swaj>you can send 5 million a day if you want
22:27<swaj>just make sure it's not UBE
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22:27<chesty>it's not how many emails you send, it's how many spam complains linode receive
22:27<@heckman>As long as it's opted-in (preferably double) and you handle any "spam" complaints you're good.
22:27<@heckman>If we do recieve any complaints just remove the recipient and all is well
22:28<[dash>thanks, I'll be keeping this chat log for reference
22:29<swaj>whatever tickles your fancy :P
22:29<atealtha>consider using a service
22:35<Katana>[dash: also look into SPF records
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22:36<@Praefectus>and domainkeys
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22:41<Katana>was there a netsplit a half-hour ago
22:41*Katana has irc_smart_filter on, sees weird opping going on in another channel
22:44<bobert>anything change with the api? seems all my ruby scripts that use the linode gem no longer work correctly
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22:47<swaj>I'd point at the gem before the api :P
22:48<bobert>swaj: well its been working for almost 2 years flawlessly, i don't think i've upgraded the gem or what not hmm
22:48<swaj>oh, 2 years? perhaps something has changed :P
22:48<bobert>i think i'll just write my own wrappers for the few calls that i use
22:48<bobert>damn gem
22:49<bobert>perhaps my ruby environment changed somehow
22:53<swaj>the API is quite RESTful
22:53<bobert>updated my gems and its working again
22:53<swaj>pretty easy to wrap yourself if that gem is giving you issues
22:53<swaj>ah, ok
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23:02<Katana>wrap it up
23:04<Kyh> looks interesting
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23:06<Katana>interesting indeed.
23:06<Katana>Accurate, who knows.
23:06<Katana>Run it on wordpress!
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23:29<Katana>i put my taskbar back on the bottom of the screen
23:29<Katana>it seems so odd
23:29<Katana>i normally have it on the left.
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23:31<pharaun>haha mine is on top
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23:38<mbreslin>start a small server (simplehttpserver) or such then do some other stuff then close the server down as the script ends
23:38<mbreslin>threads or multiprocess?
23:39<bob2>sadness :(
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23:39<mbreslin>come on bob2!
23:39<Kyh>fail dinner at LCA
23:40<bob2>fail bbq
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23:45<SirSquidness>Kyh: fail? It's not as if tihey fed you arsenic, right?
23:46<Kyh>SirSquidness: I'm not there, so the outcome is the same, it seems.
23:46<Kyh>(no dinner for anyone)
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23:47<bob2>is the campus beyond walkign distance of the cbd?
23:50<SirSquidness>BBQs are awesome, don't be knocking them.
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23:50<Knight>yo @ SirDiesa1ot
23:50<Knight>er * SirSquidness
23:51<SirSquidness>Hey, it's that guy!
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23:55<mbreslin>bob2: does my question not make sense or ?
23:55<bob2>not to me it doesn't
23:55<CaptObviousman>which guy?
23:57<SirSquidness>You know, that guy
23:57<CaptObviousman>oh yeah him
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23:58<CaptObviousman>his nose is stupid
23:58<SirSquidness>Yeah, that's the guy
23:58<Knight>leenodah eh
23:58<CaptObviousman>hmm, I have my pick of many-hour projects that all need doing
23:58<CaptObviousman>now, which one to start first
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.10953783, 0.51298829) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108611 of 137882 (π ≈ 3.150839123308336 - 0.009246469718543). http://π
23:59<CaptObviousman>or, do I blow them all off and play counter strike tonight instead
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