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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-01-28

---Logopened Sat Jan 28 00:00:21 2012
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00:00<Katana> <- see
00:00*mbreslin buys some spices from vraa
00:01<vraa>not mind, a friends
00:01<mbreslin>the variety of things running on linodes is pretty amazing
00:03<Katana>you know
00:03<Katana>there's one thing not running on a linode that I can think of, right now
00:04<mbreslin>the cloud?
00:04<Katana>Gabe Newell. That would mean exercise for the gaben.
00:04*Katana hears Episode 3 whistle off into the distant future
00:04<mbreslin>you'd think he'd have lost weight by now
00:04<mbreslin>due to all the mockery
00:05<Katana>instead, he retaliates by delaying episode 3
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00:06<mbreslin>remember when hl2 alpha/beta/whatever code was leaked
00:06<mbreslin>good times
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00:57<ragas>i have a mysql db up and running on my linode server, and have access to the server, but cant figure out how to access it with phpmydmin, which i think i set up some time ago when i set this server up. im logged in to the admin and the shell, looking for some help
00:57<ragas>running ubuntu 10.04
00:59<Kyh>then you need to remember how you set it up..
00:59<Kyh>check the config files for it, etc
00:59<Kyh>Also hope you only allowed access to it via ssh tunnel
01:00<ragas>my drupal install has config information to access it, but it uses mysql:// as a protocol
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01:06<ragas>holy fck i found it.
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01:41<MTecknology>anyone know what host os linode uses?
01:41*MTecknology got randomly curious
01:43<MTecknology>heh.. does that still exist?
01:43<chesty>i remember when linode first opened mikegrb and caker had a big fight over slackware, slackware won
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01:47<chesty>yeah, when you log into lish, the motd is from ubuntu, but that was the concession made to get slackware in the door. it's totally a slackware base
01:48<chesty>I'm surprised you didn't know already, slackware boasts that linode is one of their biggest installations
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02:05<auraka>wow gran turino is pretty hard cor
02:07<KyleXY>MTecknology: *shrug* More than likely was drunk :p
02:07<MTecknology>KyleXY: me?
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02:09<KyleXY>MTecknology: No, that man going off the rail
02:10<KyleXY>MTecknology: 19:50 < KyleXY> Katana: random off topic:
02:10<MTecknology>KyleXY: i can kinda imagine that pain.... had something similar, but that _that_ bad
02:11<MTecknology>just.... pain
02:11<chesty>man, the only way i could imagine that being worse is it he landed on his crotch
02:12<MTecknology>he landed on his chesty
02:12<chesty>his stomach, actually
02:12<MTecknology>but chesty was funny
02:12<chesty>your tits must really be sagging MTecknology
02:13<MTecknology>my mind is sagging anyway
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02:41<MTecknology>KyleXY: i was just thinking... if he hit too hard... he probably died
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03:20<PeteR>could someone help me out with a small upstart issue on ubuntu 10.04
03:20<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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03:21<Guest748>well i have a bluepill.conf file which works when i call start bluepill, but it doesnt start on startup
03:22<Guest748>here is my file
03:23<Guest748>i tried doing "start on runlevel [2345]" but that didnt work at all
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03:25<Kyh>it should start when nginx starts?
03:26<PeteR8>yes. it starts delayed job and unicorn
03:26<PeteR8>and it works fine if i call it manually
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03:28<Kyh>nginx is a define job in upstart?
03:29<PeteR8>ehmm ... its in init.d
03:30<PeteR8>i guess those arent upstart jobs?
03:30<PeteR8>maybe ill try changing nginx to mysql because that is in /etc/init/mysql.conf
03:30<Kyh>I assume it would have to be a defined upstart job, yes
03:33<PeteR8>that worked! thanks a lot
03:34<PeteR8>ill have to find out why the regular runlevel [2345] doesnt work
03:34<PeteR8>because that seems to be the standard way to run it
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04:30<tusk>hmm. Problem with sending email through php
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04:31<tusk>it worked before I moved it to linode.
04:31<tusk>I am using Debian 6.0.3
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05:26<caligula>anyone here? :)
05:27<linbot>What's up?
05:28<Kyh>shush linbot, you're a bot. You can't speak
05:29<caligula>does anyone know what I can do with "PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"?
05:30<caligula>ah, I just got an answer for my ticket, so nevermind
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06:08<Kunda>Greets all
06:09<Kunda>Hi, I'm contemplating using linode's VPS to consolidate several sites and migrate away from godaddy and other hosters. I have some concerns/hesitations. I was hoping to voice them and get some feedback.
06:09<Kyh>What are they?
06:10<Kunda>For starters, the sites are not high traffic sites. I'm not sure they warrant moving away from shared hosting. The price is attractive (less hosting for each site), more control over the server and a desire to experience what it is to run a Drupal 7 site on a VPS.
06:11<Kunda>I also feel a little out of sorts since I'm very used to Cpanel and other SysAdmin. suites used on hosting sites. I can navigate my way around the command line, but I don't want to be spending hours trying to get some minutiae in linux to work, if you know what I mean.
06:12<Kyh>Hmm. Depends how much linux stuff you know..
06:12<Kyh>you can always install cpanel (-.-) on your linode if you reaaallly want to.
06:12<Kyh>Of course, cpanels can break things too, especially if you use one/more than one and screw with the config from the CLI
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06:13<Kunda>It's important for me to install a sysadmin suite like some non-proprietary Cpanel alternative. So that if my current client wants to take over or have autonomy, that they can navigate their system initially
06:13<Kyh>Hmm, sure. I think people use ISPConfig or something
06:14<Kunda>Would I come here for support ?
06:15<Kunda>is support included in the price ?
06:15<Kyh>This is unofficiall support.
06:15<Kyh>Nope. Well, kind of
06:15<Kunda>I see
06:15<Kyh>You'll get support from linode for stuff about your linode outside of the linux config..
06:16<Kyh>So if your node won't boot or come up or something else weird, you can get tickets, etc. But if you screw up your config/install, it's all on you. Linode is an unmanaged VPS
06:16<Kunda>'stuff outside the linux config', example ?
06:16<@akerl>Kunda: Linode is a self-managed provider. Essentially, we take care of the network infrastructure and hardware, and you handle things inside your Linode itself
06:16<Kunda>i see
06:16<Kyh>usually/sometimes people can help you out with servers/configs/etc
06:16<Kunda>it's an attractive learning opportunity
06:16<Kyh>uh, like at the VPS/hypervisor level, rather than what's "inside" your linode. You have full root/access to your linode.
06:17<@akerl>And IRC is community support. People with ops are staff, but official questions should be via ticket/email/phone. To note, we're here 24/7, and response time is probably much faster than what you'd expect
06:17<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:17<Kyh>Like, mikegrb really likes bacon
06:18<Kunda>looking up Hypervisor
06:18<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:18<Kunda>bacon's good :)
06:18<@akerl>Also, I seriously support the "VPS as a learning experience" idea. Nothing helps you learn like a server on the internet that you can play with. And if you break something, you can wipe it and start over in a minute
06:18<Kunda>I'd like to know about backup.
06:18<Kunda>how does it work on Linode?
06:19<Kyh>Kunda: you should backup your stuff/data/configs offsite as well. There's also the linode backup snapshot server
06:19<Kyh>(I would rsync configs/data off the linode to somewhere else, even if it's just your box at home)
06:19<@akerl>Essentially, 3 rolling automatic snapshots, 1 manual snapshot. Backups up the full disk images, you can restore to the same node or another node
06:22<Kunda>I like this idea a lot. But maybe not as a solution for my current client. More as a solution for me as an admin.
06:24<Kunda>I could also set things up so I'm also their hosting admin, and host the sites on my linode box.
06:25<Kunda>They pay me for hosting, essentially. Is that allowed ?
06:25<Kyh>You sure could
06:25<Kyh>I think lots of people do that
06:25<Kunda>I feel my grokking capacity expanding. Very odd.
06:26<@akerl>Kunda: The specifics are in the ToS, but essentially don't violate US law and don't spam/hack/steal, and you're good.
06:26<Kunda>roger that
06:27<Kunda>Is there a way to test things out and see if this works for me ?
06:27<@akerl>And you've got the 7 day money back guarantee. So if you try us out, and you don't like it or we're crap or whatever, let us know and we'll give you a 100% refund
06:27<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
06:27<Kunda>is there a direct link ?
06:28<Kunda>to the 7 day trial
06:28<@akerl>You just sign up like usual
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06:28<Kunda>I see
06:28<@akerl>If you don't like it, you hit the "Cancel this Account" link, and in the comments box, let us know you want your refund, and we do the needful
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06:34<Kunda>OK..will try it out.
06:38<Kunda>I heard about linode from a guy going by 'fezziwig' on freenode #drupal-support. How do I reference him during the sign-up process ?
06:38<praetorian>ask him for his referral key
06:38<Kyh>Did he give you a referral code?
06:38<praetorian>it will be a string of 32 characters.
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06:40<Kunda>He's not on atm
06:40<Kyh>He only gets the referral if you stick around for 3 months, I believe.
06:40<Kunda>he can be added retroactively ?
06:41<praetorian>it can be added afterwards i believe, if you add a ticket.
06:41<Kyh>not sure, akerl ?
06:41<@akerl>Yup. When you get his code, open up a ticket and let us know, and we'll make it happen
06:42<Kunda>I see in the sign-up form that "Additional IP addresses, RAM, Storage, and Transfer can be added later", i'm interested in adding the backup service...I'll be able to add it no problem right after this, I assume ?
06:43<@akerl>Yup. There's an enable link in the Manager
06:43<Kyh>It costs extra tho
06:43<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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06:47<praetorian>"4096 ipv6 address; free!"
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07:00<Jaan>hey guys
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07:00<Kunda>alright, signed up and signed in.
07:01<Jaan>I have a question.. Is it possible to add 2 servers to my linode. One has cPanel installed and another one has just my own stuff
07:03<@akerl>Jaan: To clarify, you want two servers running at the same time?
07:03<Jaan>Yes, one is using 512mb ram and another one is using 1.5 gb ram
07:04<Jaan>and that 512 one is using 30gb space and 1.5gb one is using 50gb space
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07:05<@akerl>It is not possible to boot more than one profile at once on a single Linode. You'd want to get two Linodes to run two at once
07:07<Jaan>I just bought 2gb linode.. but um any admins or support guys available ? is it possible that you change my 2gb plan to one 512mb plan and one 1.5gb plan?
07:07<@akerl>Yup. No admins required. You can resize that Linode to a 1536 and then add a 512
07:07<Jaan>oh, that's cool :D ill try it, thank you
07:08<@akerl>The "Resize" tab will get you set for the first part, and on the main "Linodes" page, the "Add a Linode" link will do the second
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07:13<Kunda>is there a stackscript that installs a sysadmin suite like ISPconfig etc.. ?
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07:15<Jaan>Hm.. Im getting this Linode has allocated more disk than new plan allows. Delete or resize disks smaller. - but i resized my centos template to 20gb
07:15<@akerl>Jaan: Is that your only disk image?
07:15<Jaan>oh nvm i forgot i have 512mb swap too
07:16<Jaan>now it works :P
07:17<Kunda>Searching the stackscripts repository, I'm not able to find any scripts that install sys. admin suites like ISPconfig etc... am i missing something ?
07:17<Kunda>I'll need to install manually ?
07:17<Jaan>aweome it works . thank you @akerl
07:17<@akerl>Kunda: I don't believe so. To my knowledge we don't have an ISPConfig stackscript. However, if we did, I wouldn't suggest using it. I'd likewise not suggest installing it manullly
07:18<@akerl>Jaan: You're very welcome :)
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07:18<Kunda>akerl, meaning you wouldn't suggest using it at all, yes ?
07:18<@akerl>Kunda: Exactly :)
07:18*Kunda feels symptoms of withdrawl well up
07:18<Kunda>and a tinge of overwhelm
07:18<@akerl>That's my personal opinion, and you're free to ignore me. We have guides in the Library for some control panels
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07:19<Kunda>mo i hear ya...i'm just noticing some attachment :)
07:20<Kunda>I'd like to learn your opinion behind why you'd advise not installing a control panel ?
07:21<@akerl>For starters, control panels teach you how to use a control panel, and you don't learn the underlying system. The system is universal, which is nice if you ever find yourself logged into a system without the control panel
07:21<@akerl>In addition, control panels do their own thing with your configs, which gets messy when they break, or you want to tweak things outside of the panel.
07:22<@akerl>The learning curve on working from the command line is higher, but it means you know exactly what you've configured, which helps when you want to tweak or fix things.
07:22<Kunda>makes sense
07:23<@akerl>Glad to help :)
07:25<Kunda>ok, regrouping. So, I'll take a stab at not using a cp
07:25<Kunda>I guess I need to install a LAMP stack with security. I've chosen Debian 6 with 512MB of swap
07:28<Kunda>I'm thinking of hosting at least 6 sites now. A Drupal 5 site, a drupal 7 site, a wordpress 3.3 site, 2 iweb sites. They all have domain names. Can I assign them each a space on my linode ?
07:28<@akerl>Depends on what you mean by "a space"
07:28<Kunda>host them on my linode
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07:29<@akerl>Yup. Point their DNS to your Linode's IP (Either with our DNS Manager or some other DNS service) and set up virtualhosts
07:30<Kunda>virtualhosts, ok
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07:36<Kunda>i wonder if 512MB RAM is enough for all of these sites ?
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07:40<mrbichel>I just started serving all my python projects using uWSGI under NGiNX with individual virtualenvs for each project. Its super speedy and I have less configuration because I dont have apache2 running anymore. However I am thinking there must be a way I can cut down on configuration even more. I have uWSGI starter script in /etc/init now and they are all 20 lines or such that basicly says the same except for a few paths, those paths are in my modu
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07:55<Athenon>whats the best dns hosting company...or should i just let linode's manager handle it?
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07:58<amitz>Athenon: what kind of service of a dns manager you expect?
07:59<Athenon>well idk tbh...i was hosting it on my linode, but for some really strange reason, bind was getting more traffic than i would like. all i really use are A and CNAME records....each zone has 1 TXT and 1 MX record too
07:59<Athenon>but i dont know what services are offered beyond that as ive always used linode's manager or run bind myself
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08:20<amitz>oh, gone.
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10:57<Cromulent>hmm I fancy learning a new language / web framework - any suggestions for fun ones to learn?
10:58<Cromulent>esoteric languages preferably
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11:09<EugeneKay>Node.js is web scale
11:09*Nivex shards EugeneKay
11:09<@caker>urmom is web scale
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11:35<Katana>depends on your meaning of "fun"
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11:35<Katana>if you want to have some masochistic kind of fun, there's always symfony
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11:36<gustavo>someone here can me help ? I live from Brazil.
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11:37<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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12:53<rovo>Hello...I'm hoping to get some pointers or recommendation on improving my servers performance. I have a LEMP stack on a 256 machine, trying to run a couple Drupal 7 sites , with very little to almost no traffic. Yet the page load drags and hangs terriably.
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12:55<EugeneKay>Linode doesn't do 256s anymore.
12:56<rovo>EugeneKay: sorry, distracted, you are right. 512
12:56<rovo>I'm on a 512
12:56<EugeneKay>And drupal optimization really isn't anything Linode specific.
12:56<EugeneKay>The general case for optimizing LAMP/LEMP is to figure out what's slow, figure out why it's slow, and then make it fast.
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12:56<rovo>no of course not, I just figured there would be knowledgable people here with expereience with this.
12:57<EugeneKay>MySQL is usually the top candidate for #1, but I've seen insane things like a Wordpress plugin that was doing an external HTTP request on every pageload
12:57<rovo>EugeneKay: so I think that is a good plan of action. I just am not thinking of where/how i can start investigating what is the hangup?
12:57<rovo>Like possibly there is a particular Log I should check out?
12:57<rovo>Or is there some kind of benchmark tool that might reveal something?
12:58<EugeneKay>You can also ask #drupal on Freenode. They know more about the internals than I.
12:58<rovo>EugeneKay: oh wow. That sounds fantastic, beyond anything I could have imagined being available.
12:58<rovo>Exactly why I came here, I would have never found that. thank you.
12:59<EugeneKay>There are other modules to do much the same thing. Ask #drupal :-p
12:59<rovo>EugeneKay: yes, from that one I now see this one
12:59<rovo>This is great, it didn't even cross my mind there were modules for this. Thank you again.
12:59<EugeneKay>That looks closer to what you want. I confess to having never really bothered.... my drupal sites are fast enough.
13:00<rovo>What kind of server setup are you on?
13:01<EugeneKay>Vanilla LAMP stack on Scientific Linux 6, 4-vCPU 2GB VMware ESXi VMs running on my own hardware in a colo with Hurricane Electric. Disks are a 10k rpm NetApp NAS unit, and them some locally-attached SSDs on the ESXi hosts for MySQL to hit against.
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13:02<EugeneKay>My webservers are a small part of that, though. I run a lot of other stuffo n the same infrastructure.
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13:02<rovo>EugeneKay: wow, that sounds really particularly
13:03<EugeneKay>Not really. :-p
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13:03<EugeneKay>You should see my basement.
13:04<rovo>hm, that sounds a little creepy
13:04<rovo>I'm just kidding
13:04<rovo>so what's in your basemenet?
13:04<EugeneKay>Two hookers and a meth lab
13:05<rovo>whoa... do they have their own shower down there?
13:05<@heckman>Only two?
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13:15<Katana>wow, EugeneKay, that's particularly....unimpressive.
13:16<EugeneKay>Which, the meth lab?
13:16<Katana>I thought you had a tank down there, but eh
13:16<Katana>I keep the missile launch controls in my own basement
13:17<Katana>one of these days i'll have an ion cannon too
13:17<EugeneKay>Funny story, actually. The previous owners were running a pot grow operation in this house
13:18<EugeneKay>The basement has 100A of power outlets spread throughout the ceiling, with screws coming out of the ceiling beams at 2ft intervals, with 6" of wire hanging from each one, ending with a clean snip.
13:18<Katana>"It's for personal use"
13:20<EugeneKay>There's a closet I'm using as a server room which had two rows of four shelves, 2ft high, with a similar setup. I figure that to have been the seed room
13:20<Katana>it may still /be/ a seed room :3
13:20*Katana wonders if those servers have a torrent client running..
13:20<EugeneKay>Nope. All I can get is 512k up on my DSL.
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13:45<Katana>holy crap
13:45<Katana>i'm liking the changes in twitter bootstrap 2.0
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13:52<Katana>yessss, they added a decent typeahead
13:57<@heckman>Or every website is going to look the same
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14:00<auraka>working on a saturday.....working on a saturday
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14:04<Steve^^>Shame they use less.. I don't understand why anyone still uses that thing
14:05<Steve^^>the move to javascript was a mistake
14:06<Steve^^>Or maybe they fixed it so you don't need node anymore? "Less comes with a binary, which lets you invoke the compiler from the command-line, as such:"
14:08<EugeneKay>JavaScript is nice and all that for making stuff move, but I hate it when websites fail without it.
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14:13<rovo>SpaceHobo: oh that is good to know. Have they integrated responsive into it?
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14:14<rovo>or is it meant to take more of a progressive - adaptive use?
14:14<rovo>SpaceHobo: why no JS?
14:16<rovo>hard to say... i agree with you to a degree, but think it's become more and more of a necessary evil
14:16<Peng>Necessary *awesome*!
14:17<linbot>New news from forums: How to set DNS for IP:8080 ? in Linux Networking <>
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14:18<Xach>Is it recommended to create a new user and disable SSH root access?
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14:19<fouad>i tried setting up vsftpd, but it was giving me permissions problems. and now it won't even let me connect
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14:20<Peng>Why did you want vsftpd?
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14:21<fouad>Peng: to set up ftp on my Ubuntu 10.04
14:22<retro|blah>So why do you want to set up ftp?
14:25<fouad>retro|blah: because i need it?
14:25<Peng>fouad: Why do you need FTP, as opposed to SFTP?
14:26<fouad>Peng: i keep getting permissions errors
14:26<auraka>heckman: thank you
14:27<auraka>I'm just handing out random compliments to confuse people
14:27<auraka>heckman: next on the linode front
14:27<rovo>auraka: your awesome, thanks for everthing!
14:28*fo0bar takes auraka's awesome
14:28<rovo>of course professor
14:28<fo0bar>now I have your awesome!
14:28<fouad>oh wait Peng, i forgot to chmod
14:30<auraka>fo0bar: there is too much awesome here for you to carry
14:30<rovo>fine... i'll take some awesome then.
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14:31<eshlox>anyone using uwsgi on gentoo?
14:31<Peng>fouad: So why do you need FTP?
14:31<fouad>Peng: nvm i dont :P
14:34<Xach>Question: I made a new user. However, I don't see my username, hostname, or file location before the dollar ($) sign. How do I fix this?
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14:34<Xach>Nevermind. Found a solution.
14:35<Peng>If the shell configuration for your user is unusual, it sounds like it may have been misconfigured. E.g. it's using an odd shell, or .bashrc and .bash_profile didn't get copied into its home dir.
14:37<stefan7>Any idea why I can't connect to port 80 on my linode? It was working yesterday and I haven't changed anything. iptables is accepting traffic at port 80.
14:37<Peng>What happens when you try? What's your IP?
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14:37<stefan7>it times out. IP is
14:38<stefan7>I can ping it and I can ssh to it, but can't connect to port 80 on it.
14:39<@heckman>stefan7: mind pastebinning the output of: netstat -pln and iptables-save
14:40<@heckman>What I see from my Linode in Newark:
14:41<retro|blah>Line 44
14:41<retro|blah> 44. -A PREROUTING -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080
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14:43<LinodeJavaUser8>Thank you! - Stefan
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15:11<Jaan>hey guys, i have a question.. i tried to update my PHP from 5.1 to 5.2 using this tutorial but in my vbulletin admin cp i can see that it's still 5.1.6.. any ideas ?
15:11<Jaan>i use nginx that i installed using the tutorial on this linode docs
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15:13<Jaan>php -v PHP 5.2.10 (cli) (built: Nov 13 2009 11:24:03) Copyright (c) 1997-2009 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.2.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2009 Zend Technologies
15:16<EugeneKay>Jaan - read the red warning box at the top of that HowTo page
15:16<EugeneKay>Or migrate up to CentOS 6
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15:18<Jaan>hm ok.. thanks ill check that
15:18<Jaan>but i have another problem :D
15:18<Jaan>i moved my vbulletin from one server to my linode.. and now my forum's sidebar doesn't work
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15:18<Jaan>like.. i copied all files and i backedup mysql in phpmyadmin and then i imported it correctly and upload all files correctly too
15:19<Jaan>but somehow it fails badly now.. if i use original vbulletin sidebar it works, but everywhere sidebar 1.5 fails.. it shows "array" or is empty
15:20<chesty>check apaches error.log
15:21<Jaan>i have nginx and it doesnt show anything
15:21<@heckman>Have you checked your PHP logs?
15:21<@heckman>Have you tried raising your PHP error logging if it doesn't give you enough output?
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15:25<Jaan>ok i updated to 5.3 but it still shows 5.1.6 in vbulletin :| but one moment ill check php errors
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15:25<Dominic_>Hi guys
15:25<Dominic_>Is anybody here?
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15:27<@heckman>Jaan: I've seen plenty of times where upgrading PHP on CentOS doesn't go smoothly
15:27<Jaan>i wonder why..
15:28<LiquidAtom>I use Cherokee, and I recently upgraded to 5.3, and I had to kill all php-cgi for it to recognise the changes.
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15:30<@heckman>Jaan: Did you reboot after upgrading PHP? (Makes sure all services restart)
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15:31<Jaan>oh good idea LOL
15:31<Jaan>i only did service nginx restart :D
15:32<Dominic_>Reboot your whole server :)
15:32<Jaan>yup doing it now
15:35<Jaan>heckman.. you are my hero
15:35<Jaan>that restart helped
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15:35<Jaan>now everything works perfectly
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15:45<eyecool>Haven't hopped on in a long while.. wow, the chan has grown!
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15:55<fouad>i'm trying to activate SSL, using StartSSL because I'm cheap like that, but when i try to restart apache i get "OK: Pass Phrase Dialog successful.
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15:55<@heckman>Check your Apache2 logs
15:55<@heckman>Usually under /var/log
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15:56<fouad>Unable to configure verify locations for client authentication
15:57<fouad>any ideas what that means?
15:58<hawk>What exactly have you done in your config?
15:59<fouad>oh i fixed it
15:59<fouad>i just took out the CACertificate line
16:00<Katana>SpaceHobo: less.js is for development - you can do the npm and just do a makefile compile for deployment, or do lessphp (though that lags behind the development curve for lesscss, being a third-party interpreter)
16:01<fouad>hawk, nvm but thanks :)
16:01<Peng>fouad: For what it's worth, you can plug your domain into to see if SSL is set up properly.
16:01<fouad>oh ok Peng
16:01<Peng>fouad: StartSSL should also have Apache instructions somewhere.
16:02<fouad>it works kind of
16:02<fouad>so i'll take it for now :P
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16:02<fouad>i just wanted to playground with Stripe, and other things
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16:06<fouad>SpaceHobo, it's not that bad
16:06<fouad>have you ever used Boo?
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16:07<fouad>haha, and why do you hate it so much? (i'm not saying it's amazing, it's just not the worst)
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16:08<Peng>fouad: It should be easy enough to set up properly. Might as well take a few minutes to do it.
16:09<fouad>Peng: haha, well it works. which is good enough for me :)
16:09<fouad>85 on that ssllabs thing
16:10<Peng>fouad: Sure, that's my score too. You don't need a perfect score. See what you're losing points on, though. If it's because your OpenSSL is too old to support the latest RFC? Sure, that's fine. If it's because something is *misconfigured*, it needs to be fixed.
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16:11<EugeneKay>Peng - that tool doesn't appear to support SNI
16:11<Peng>EugeneKay: Ha, really?
16:11<fouad>SpaceHobo, i'm sorry?
16:11<fouad>Peng: oh okay
16:12<EugeneKay>Yup. It came back with the SSL cert attached to my hostname, not the one attached to the site I put in.
16:12<EugeneKay>So, fail test is fail
16:12<Peng>EugeneKay: Well, it supports everything else.
16:14<Katana>SpaceHobo: dramatist
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16:16<EugeneKay>And apparently I have it isconfigured. Le Sigh.
16:16*EugeneKay turns on SSLHonorCipherOrder
16:17<Nivex>SpaceHobo: but every programmer seems to think himself Mozart
16:17*Katana smells FUD
16:17<fouad>SpaceHobo: Oh ok, now i see what you mean. I was just joking that it's not the worst. Has anyone here used Boo?
16:17<fouad>now that is a terrible language
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16:18<EugeneKay>Oh derp, I'm on the wrong box.
16:25<EugeneKay>There, fixt.
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16:36<Greenanswers>Something odd with one of my nodes
16:36<Greenanswers>disk seems gnarly slow
16:36<Greenanswers>tab completion takes 60+ seconds
16:37<hawk>Anything going on in your node itself? Or do you suspect the host is bogged down by something?
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16:38<Nivex>which host are you on?
16:39<Greenanswers>in freemont
16:39<Nivex>My node's been slow lately too, but I figured it's because I was swap thrashing due to a bad MySQL config
16:39<rnowak>Sir Mont the Free is currently making pancakes, it usually slows things down
16:39<Nivex>oh, I'm in newark. never mind.
16:40<Greenanswers>yeah it's my mysql box as well - but this particular setup has been chugging along happily for a year+
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16:41<Greenanswers>wow, freaking ANYTHING with i/o is going nuts
16:41<rnowak>checked vmstat or iotop?
16:42<Greenanswers>can barely get anything to run... vmstat wouldn't run
16:42<Greenanswers>root@ubuntu:/var/log# time ls -la
16:42<Greenanswers>real 0m4.179s
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16:43<rnowak>what happens when you type vmstat 1
16:43<rnowak>and run it, obviously ;p
16:44<Greenanswers>trying... heh
16:44<Greenanswers>root@ubuntu:/var/log# vmstat 1 procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa 0 0 0 2120500 6496 213660 0 0 61 27 254 248 7 3 44 45 0 0 0 2120500 6496 213668 0 0 0 0 18 12 0 0 100 0
16:44<Greenanswers>ew formatting
16:45<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:46<rnowak>no swapping, no wait... and no heavy io, looks like it may be a host issue
16:46<rnowak>file a ticket and see what they say
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16:55<Greenanswers>so bizarre
16:55<Greenanswers>things seemed to straighten out for 3 minutes or so
16:55<Greenanswers>now broken again
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17:03<Greenanswers> if any linoders are here
17:03<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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17:31<richarddd>anyone know how to allow sub domains in nginx conf, but remove www. from the url???
17:31<richarddd>domain conf file:
17:32<Kyh>richarddd: just add it as another virtualhost
17:33<richarddd>can you edit the pastebin? to exactly what you mean
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17:44<richarddd>Kyh: doing that caused error
17:44<richarddd>"The page isn't redirecting properly"
17:45<Kyh>oh, you want to redirect/rewrite, not add another subdomain, sorry, still drinking my first cofffe
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17:47<richarddd>Kyh: i just want to redirect 301 to without fucking up my sub domain
17:48<Kyh> ?
17:49*Kyh idles for things like personal hygine, etc
17:50<@akerl>richarddd: The paste you put should work. Did you clear your cache and make sure you didn't have conflicting server blocks?
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17:51<richarddd>it didnt work so ill pastebin my whole 1min
17:52<@akerl>Do me a favor and make sure's block is above's block?
17:52<@akerl>(and reload nginx/clear your cache/test it)
17:52<richarddd>heres the conf
17:52<richarddd>i did do that already
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17:53<richarddd>? o.O
17:54<@akerl>richarddd: Check out line 84 of that paste and tell me why you get an "isn't redirecting properly" error?
17:54<rnowak>also why are you supplying my domain name in your configurations?
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17:55<richarddd>akerl: should i remove the www from there?
17:55<richarddd>or the whole lot
17:55<@akerl>richarddd: Which is the behavior you'd like?
17:56<richarddd>no www. ever
17:56<@akerl>So you tell me?
17:57<richarddd>no idea
17:58<@akerl>Also: phpmyadmin on a public interface is you asking to be hacked. And ifs are evil.
17:58<richarddd>how else am i meant to use phpmyadmin?
17:59<@akerl>!pitfalls rnowak :)
17:59<linbot>Read the hints at to see how you can improve your nginx configuration.
17:59<MJCS>add a http access file in there
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17:59<richarddd>read that 10 times
17:59<rnowak>akerl: oic
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17:59<@akerl>richarddd: If you must run phpmyadmin, run it on localhost and ssh tunnel to it
17:59<rnowak>reading is one thing, understanding and applying your knowledge, another
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18:08<GLaDOSDan>weird, my dallas node is downloading from at like 17kb/s max
18:08<GLaDOSDan>it's taking 5 minutes to apt-get update :/
18:08<GLaDOSDan>any ideas?
18:08<rnowak>try switching mirror?
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18:08<GLaDOSDan>isn't the... US one?
18:08<GLaDOSDan>Dunno what to switch to really
18:09<rnowak> is round robin for the US geographical rea
18:09<GLaDOSDan>what should I try instead?
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18:11<rnowak>GLaDOSDan: one at a university close to where your node is may be a good option
18:11<GLaDOSDan>any idea which is closest to Dallas? :x
18:11<bdube>utexas works well from Dallas
18:12<Peng>Some of the other servers in the round-robin might be doing better.
18:12<Peng>And it could just be bad luck.
18:13<GLaDOSDan>utexas is an acceptable 3-4mB/s
18:13<Nivex>I only get 3 A and 1 AAAA record back from
18:14<Peng>Nivex: Yeah, and they're in 2-3 different locations.
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18:29<eyecool>anyone ever download their linode and run it in virtualbox for local dev and testing parity?
18:30<rnowak>what's the actual question?
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18:31<eyecool>is there a shortcut to running a linode image locally
18:31<Peng>Shortcut how?
18:31<eyecool>instead of setting up and maintaining identical environments
18:32<rnowak>you need to provide a bootloader and a kernel
18:33<eyecool>wondering if anyone has or knows of anyone doing it... I've thought about it, briefly, but haven't explored deeply
18:33<rnowak>it isn't rocket science
18:33<eyecool>shortcut = how is my question, heh
18:33<Peng>There's a guide in the library, I think.
18:34<Peng>Or at least a guide for uploading your own image, which is easy to reverse.
18:34<rnowak>not to bootstrap it enough to get it running in for instance virtualbox
18:34<eyecool>wild.. didn't think to look there
18:37<@akerl>If it were me, I think I'd install grub and a kernel while it was on the Linode, make sure it booted with pv_grub, and *then* dd it to my local box
18:39<eyecool>In theory, it seems like a good idea... in reality, probably overkill
18:39<mbreslin>a vm with the same distro/most of the same kernel modules/identical software stack isn't close enough?
18:39<eyecool>the idea of identical local/linode setup
18:40<eyecool>mbreslin: that's what I'm thinking is the easiest option in reality
18:40<eyecool>although copying a disk image sounded like an easier idea
18:41<Peng>Well, see, you're *supposed* to have your entire environment in puppet or something, so deploying it to a Linode or local box is one press of a button... :D
18:41<rnowak>if you have a deployment plan, you should be able to deploy to an arbitrary number of machines with little effort
18:42<eyecool>linode to linode is easier than linode to local
18:43<eyecool>I messed with chef and puppet, but stuck with custom stack scripts
18:43<@akerl>eyecool: Why not tweak the stackscript into bash and run it locally?
18:43<eyecool>not a bad idea!
18:47<mbreslin>my deployment strategy = sudo apt-get install mercurial irssi; hg clone ssh://
18:47<rnowak>... you didn't install vim
18:47<rnowak>doing it wrong son
18:48<mbreslin>ubuntu server ships with vim
18:48<mbreslin>or it seems to anyway
18:48<rnowak>the normal version, not the cut down?
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18:48<mbreslin>the linode stripped version still has vim or i don't remember installing it
18:49<mbreslin>either is possible
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18:50<Peng>Yeah, ubuntu-linode comes with vim.
18:51<Peng>Or vim-tiny or whatever, anyway
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19:03<orville_>anyone familiar with setting up ubuntu so that important sytem events are mailed to the local account?
19:05<danblack>a package like logwatch sets this up in a fairly sane way
19:05<@akerl>orville_: What is watching for important events?
19:06<rnowak>and what is watching the watcher?
19:06<orville_>akerl: dunno.
19:06<orville_>i remember the desktop version doing this, but it's not set up by default with the linode image.
19:07<@akerl>orville_: First you need to somehow monitor what you want to monitor. Then teach that process to send mail
19:08<@akerl>For instance: If you want to watch your processes, monit is quick and easy, watches your processes, and will email you when things happen. If you want a daily "here's what's up" notification, hack up a bash script to check what you want and mail you the result and drop it in cron
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19:11<orville_>akerl: i installed exim to do that, which depends on mailx. do i need exim? mailx seems like it's what i'd use to get the mail.
19:12<rnowak> nom
19:12<@akerl>orville_: exim sends mail. mailx sends mail from the command line
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19:13<@akerl>But neither exim nor mailx monitors things or automatically generates mail. You want a script that uses exim (potentially via mailx) to send you mail containing the information you want
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19:15<orville_>gotcher. thanks.
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19:40<Artwist>hi all, does anyone know if there are "remote managed hosting" available for running Aegir Drupal / Barracuda Aegir on Linode? (from external service providers)
19:40<Kyh>I think someone here was selling that
19:40<Kyh>(where they manage it, not linode)
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19:42<Artwist>for some projects I am considering using Linode, but only if we can find both managed hosting for the security of the OS (security updates, etc.), and also (second provider) managed hosting for the Web server stack to run Drupal on it.
19:43<GLaDOSDan>Linode don't do managed hosting
19:43<Kyh>Hmm. Doesn't ubuntu have landscape for managing security/installing packages?
19:43<Kyh>GLaDOSDan: I think he knows that, he's asking for an external sevice provider, etc
19:43<Peng>Artwist: Linode is unmanaged, but various third parties will manage Linodes for you. And Linode might be getting into managed hosting itself in the future.
19:44<GLaDOSDan>Really, Peng?
19:44<Peng>GLaDOSDan: check the forum.
19:44<Peng>Artwist: The usual place to find people is on the forum.
19:45<Peng>Artwist / GLaDOSDan: I did say "might be"! They're still experimenting, and nobody knows what services, if any, they will wind up offering.
19:46<GLaDOSDan>Oh cool, thanks for the link Peng
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19:55<orville_>shouldn't the 512 mb plan use 512 mb of ram?
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19:55<orville_>my vm sees 497
19:55<GLaDOSDan>I never know whether or not to reply with just 'Cheers' because time spent reading that could be spent helping someone else :P
19:55<GLaDOSDan>orville_: Some is reserved by the kernel or... something
19:56<rnowak>GLaDOSDan: I always reply with a thanks, they are people too
19:56<linbot>New news from forums: Auto-import Google Apps MX records in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
19:57<GLaDOSDan>I agree linbot, that's a great idea
19:57<Peng>orville_: The 497 figure is a lie. The kernel is just hoarding the rest for its own uses and hiding it from 'free'.
19:58<Peng>orville_: dmesg | grep Memory if you want
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20:01<orville_>Peng: showed nothing
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20:07<Peng>orville_: You've probably been booted long enough that it's been pushed out of dmesg's buffer. sudo cat /var/log/dmesg | grep Memory, then. Or don't; it's not interesting enough to be worth the trouble. :P
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20:12<orville_>am I running out of memory? saw this in dmesg:
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20:19<Peng>orville_: No, you just ran into a bug. :)
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20:19<mbreslin>Shipping Confirmation Motorola SB6121 SURFboard DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem
20:19<mbreslin>woo monday 100mbit!
20:20<mbreslin>big boy internet!
20:20<GLaDOSDan>I hope you have Monster helium plated networking cables to handle that stuff
20:20<orville_>Peng: bug with what? the kernel?
20:20<Peng>orville_: Yes.
20:21<rnowak>mbreslin: \o/
20:21<mbreslin>GLaDOSDan: i bought them i 3inch cable lengths to reduce signal degradation
20:21<Peng>orville_: Search for page allocation failure on the forum. It's been discussed for a while now. There are some possible workarounds, but no fix yet.
20:21<Peng>orville_: Anyway, since you didn't crash or anything, it didn't do any harm.
20:22<mbreslin>rnowak: only o/ due to 5mbit upstream only ;x
20:22<rnowak>mbreslin: aww :<
20:22<GLaDOSDan>Linode should do that stuff HostGator do and advertise the whole 'green energy' thing. But use cat-power instead:
20:23<GLaDOSDan>Imagine a cat powered cloud...
20:23<mbreslin>i'm currently 30/3 so should be nice bump anyway, i've only dreamed of 100mbit down for since like 1993
20:23<@heckman>Wouldn't it then be powered by Ceiling Cat?
20:23<Kyh>You mean strapping a slice of bread buttered side up onto a cat?
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20:23<GLaDOSDan>That exactly, Kyh
20:23<@heckman>mbreslin: I'm supposed to be 50/10, ends up being more like 63/6
20:23<GLaDOSDan>heckman: No, bread cat
20:23<GLaDOSDan>or cat-bread
20:25<mbreslin>heckman: well, i have near perfect signals and low upstream snr, i'm hoping very close to 100/5, only thing that could sink me is if there are any hardcore bandwidth hogs in my neighborhood
20:25<mbreslin>heckman: hopefully i'm the only one :>
20:25*heckman wishes FiOS was in the area
20:26<mbreslin>you and me both
20:26<GLaDOSDan>I get 4/0.5
20:27<mbreslin>also i renegotiated our cable/phone/net package and got the upgrade from 30/3->100/5 for only about 7$ more than we pay now
20:27<@heckman>Haha nice what ISP?
20:27<mbreslin>locked in for 2 years though but i don't mind
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20:29<mbreslin>the best thing i like honestly is that going to the ultra tier doubles the cap
20:29<mbreslin>from 250gb to 500gb
20:29<mbreslin>i hover around 250 so it will be nice to have some breathing room
20:32<orville_>Peng: yet.
20:32<Katana>bandwidth cap?
20:32<Katana>when did charter add that what the fuck
20:32<mbreslin>quite awhile now
20:32<Kyh>So has comcast
20:32<Katana>...I could have sworn I didn't have a cap o_O
20:32<EugeneKay>My POS redneck ISP added a 250GB cap as well. I get around it by mailing a 500GB HD to my colo twice a month.
20:33<mbreslin>they changed when comcast did because they copy everything comcast does
20:33<chesty>the whole world has caps, get over it
20:34<GLaDOSDan>chesty: I don't
20:34<GLaDOSDan>My connection is slow but I don't have a cap
20:34<mbreslin>at 4/.5 nobody cares what you download
20:34<Katana>i remember cogeco
20:34<Katana>80gb cap
20:34<@heckman>mbreslin: that's because you can't download
20:34<chesty>yeah, you can get cap free dialup
20:34<staticsafe>Canadian caps ftl
20:34<staticsafe>150GB :(
20:34<@heckman>staticsafe: YOU MEAN LIKE THIS?
20:34*Kyh pays $1.08/GB on his ~16mbit/900kbit DSL :(
20:34<mbreslin>heckman: pardon?
20:35<@heckman>Jan28 20:34:17 < mbreslin> at 4/.5 nobody cares what you download
20:35<mbreslin>heckman: oh yeah, poor GLaDOSDan
20:35<GLaDOSDan>I've never really had a problem with wishing my connection was faster though
20:35<@heckman>That's because you CAN'T download
20:35<GLaDOSDan>The exception being steam games
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20:36<chesty>i have 10/1 with 200G cap, lots of free traffic that don't count towards the cap, and I never go near the cap
20:36<GLaDOSDan>heckman: The plan I'm actually on is 30/10 or something, but due to where I live I max out at like 4/0.5
20:36<GLaDOSDan>I guess they'd care at 30/10 with no cap
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20:36<mbreslin>when things go slow i try to remember downloading psx isos on dial up at 3KB/s and praying to the bandwidth gods to give me 1 extra KB/s so I could get the game today rather than tomorrow
20:36<chesty>ps x
20:37<chesty>28578 pts/7 R+ 0:00 ps x
20:37<staticsafe>playstation 1
20:38<Katana>chesty isn't into classic gaming obv
20:39<chesty>it wasn't classic at the time of dialup
20:39<mbreslin>you could get your psx modded every 50 feet in korea when i was there
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20:42*Katana puts up a prototype
20:44<GLaDOSDan>that's a nice exception page
20:45<Katana>that's about six or so hours after starting bare-bones and scrapping what I made twice
20:45<Katana>think i'm satisfied with this
20:46<Katana><3 bootstrap 2.0
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21:08<fouad>yea Katana, it's beautiful
21:08<fouad>what are the rules concerning referral code postings?
21:09<fouad>as in can i have an affiliate link on my website?
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21:11<GLaDOSDan>fouad: That's the whole point of them
21:11<Katana>no you must not link to them
21:11<Katana>those you refer to linode must guess them
21:11<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: )
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21:14<Katana>"is it 1ab4cd3?" "No, keep going..."
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22:12<auraka>i forget can nodebalancers do udp?
22:13<Peng>Just curious, what UDP protocol would you want to NodeBalance?
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22:22<EugeneKay>If you're doing enough UDP traffic to need balancing..... yeah.
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22:25<Peng>Shrug. DNS load-balancing isn't uncommon. Especially for the HA aspects, I imagine.
22:25<Peng>Still scares me, though.
22:26<Katana>you know what.
22:26<Katana>just to irk rnowak, i'll link it.
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22:43<bob2>afaict there are no sensible Free udp loadbalancers
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22:52<chesty>one would imagine the load balancer would need to operate at the app level for udp
22:52<bd_>not necessarily
22:53<bd_>if the protocol is stateless, no problem - have your LB pass the packet statelessly to a worker host, have the worker forge the return address and reply
22:53<bd_>if it's stateful, you can pin based on source IP/port pair
22:53<bd_>lots of consumer routers do this kind of pinning for NAT
22:55<chesty>if each udp packet puts equal load on the server, then sure. otherwise you're balancing traffic, not load. but I'm just making this stuff up, i have no idea
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22:59<bd_>well, that problem exists in TCP as well :)
23:00<bd_>one possible solution - if a server thinks it's overloaded, just re-send the UDP packet to a different backend server (with a limit to how often you bounce it ofc). Easier than redirecting tcp streams :)
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23:02<chesty>can't you can measure server response time with tcp, and if the response time of a server starts to increase, stop sending new connections to it. (making it up)
23:03<thorrr>time to have some esxi fun
23:04<thorrr>now that i have a new machine i can retire this old bucket to vm usage!
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23:11<Peng>For DNS, each UDP packet should be the same load, more or less.
23:11<Peng>Shrug, I think balancing packets would be good enough to balance load.
23:12<Peng>And I'm entirely talking out my ass when I say that, but c'mon. How uneven could it be?
23:13<bd_>for DNS, yeah, probably
23:13<bd_>in general it's probably not a problem with stateless protocols
23:13<Peng>I mean, sure, NS or AXFR queries cause heavier load then A or AAAA, but if the load balancer distributes packets evenly, it'll all even out.
23:13<bd_>even if some of your requests are more complex than others, the complex requests are (should be) evenly and randomly distributed over all servers
23:14<bd_>so no hotspots
23:14<bd_>it's more of a problem with stateful protocols like TCP
23:14<bd_>where you hit the same server over and over with your complex queries :)
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23:22<chesty>makinupsht: that's my middle name
23:23<chesty>you just ruined your reputation :(
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