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00:00<praetorian>wel i know here, that curfew's being lifted had to be approved by government
00:02<G>StevenK: one of our neighbours here, flys 747s for Air NZ, goes to LHR often, the way he talks about how narrow all the landing windows etc are over there...
00:03<StevenK>G: There is a reason for that
00:03<G>yeah, moolaa :)
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00:04<G>I saw a documentary on the new terminal they have at LHR, the scale of things are just massive
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00:05<StevenK>G: And Terminal 5 is only BA.
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00:05<StevenK>A few BA flights are still on terminal 3, but not many.
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00:13<G>btw, as much as we poke fun at Qantas, Air NZ had a mini crisis today (just been fair)
00:14<ajmitch>G: the flu?
00:14<G>ajmitch: yeah, just reading about it now, looks like the plane they flew in on, had a much longer than normal turnaround time
00:15<@Praefectus>how bout them Linodes, eh?
00:15<chesty>Praefectus: scuse me, we are talking clouds
00:15<nixon>dat linode
00:15<G>Praefectus: as long as they don't have any cracks in the wings, I'm happy :)
00:15<GLaDOSDan>Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No it's a Linode.
00:15<Kyh>Yeah, kids on the way back from Japan.. dodgy old japan eh
00:15<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
00:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
00:16<@mikegrb>mmm cake
00:16<Kyh>and cake
00:16<GLaDOSDan>and lol
00:16<linbot>stan, the man without an ampersand
00:16<Kyh>ohyeah, forgot lol
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00:26<amitz>hhow to figure out the ip addresses my linode tries to connect to in the last say 1 minute?
00:27<Kyh>amitz: unless you've already logged that, you can't
00:27<Kyh>Something like ntop or something similar
00:28<amitz>after the fact, ntop, but what if it's quick enough i miss it?
00:29<Kyh>you can't do it after the fact unless ntop or something is already running
00:30<amitz>i mean, ntop records everything even if it's really quick, right? and what kind of debian package rovides ntop?
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00:32<@akerl>I'd probably use tcpdump, which is likely in the package called "tcpdump" :)
00:33<amitz>heh, it conveniently disappears from squeez but not from surrounding versions.
00:34<@heckman>Hrm, monitoring my home UPS via Nagios might be easier than I thought
00:34<G>amitz: you could always use systemtap :P
00:35<G>but that'd be for future
00:37<Katana>stan with an ampersand would be scary
00:37*stan_theman glares
00:38*Katana hides behind heckman
00:38*GLaDOSDan hides behind Katana
00:39*stan_theman hides behind Katana
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00:49<Katana> not sure if I should be shot on sight for this kind of OO or what
00:51<StevenK>Katana: I think you should refactor those two
00:51<StevenK>And you have a bug in globalAuth
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01:13<simius>Has anyone ever solved the great white blank wp-admin page?
01:13<bob2>the answer is in fact the first rule of being a sysadmin
01:13<bob2>READ YER LOGS
01:13<bob2>then you'll likely find you misconfigured the DB
01:15<@heckman>Sweet, Nagios is now monitoring my UPS at home
01:16*heckman gets email alerts when the power is out
01:16<KyleXY>that'll work out heckman :)
01:16<chesty>so the lights go out, and 5 minutes later you'll get a beep on your cell to say the powers out
01:17<@heckman>It's more for when I'm not home.
01:17<SnoFox>What will you do about it?
01:17<@heckman>Not go home
01:17<simius>DB setup correctly getting file not find errors although the homepage loads fine? So bizarre
01:17<@heckman>It's more for if I am at the office and my power is out, or out wherever.
01:18<KyleXY>heckman: makes more sense ;p
01:18<@heckman>"Oh hey, the powers out. No reason to go home, yet."
01:18<chesty>you could have a nice romantic candle lite talk with your gf
01:19<auraka>heckman in the hizzouse
01:19<@heckman>I mean, with natural gas powered stove we could potentially have a candle-lit dinner.
01:19<@heckman>It's usually more romantic if you plan it, and not on a whim because the utility company failed.
01:20<@heckman>Or some driver's car decided to french kiss a utility pole.
01:20<@heckman>auraka: what about it?
01:20<chesty>spontaneous vs planned
01:20<auraka> is keeping old school....not a bad tool but not great anymore
01:20<@heckman>I mean, it does the needful.
01:20*auraka nods
01:21<chesty>heckman: i hate that word
01:21<auraka>I prefer PRTG....not a windows fan...but that tool does rock
01:21*heckman makes a pledge to use it in every ticket opened by chesty moving forward
01:21<auraka>heckman: or rename the linodes
01:22*auraka still wonders how one of his linodes got renamed
01:22<auraka>must have been a coding bug or something....
01:22<auraka>what new mac to buy hmmm
01:23<@heckman>I think tomorrow morning/evening I'm going to install the check_mk frontend on Nagios
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01:58<ftc>i've never used anything apart from nagios for monitoring servers.... do most other programs require you to install their software on each server?
01:58<ftc>from memory nagios didnt need that, but needed ssh logins to run remote commands
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02:00<@Praefectus>you can make a binary for each monitored server with zabbix
02:02<ftc>ah k
02:02<ftc>you reckon its better than nagios overall?
02:02<@Praefectus>i like it
02:02<ftc>gunna have to set something up soon to monitor a couple of servers and send SMS alerts
02:02<ftc>will take a look
02:04<@Praefectus>use --enable-agent --enable-static and it compiles the agent binary during the normal install
02:05<ftc>ok cool, ta
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02:09<nthvision>hows everyone doing?
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02:15<nthvision>i have a question, is anyone willing to help me out?
02:16<retro|blah>Not if you don't ask.
02:18<nthvision>oh ok So I followed the documentation on installing a LEMP set up with Arch linux
02:18<nthvision>everything turened out fine
02:18<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
02:19<nthvision>However, I decdided to rebuild and start a new server, and followed the same instructions, but now I get an erro when I try to start up nginx saying :/usr/sbin/nginx: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
02:20<nthvision>I have no idea how why its giving me this, even though I had followed the same instructions before and it turned out fine
02:22<Kyh>wait, arch linux
02:22<danblack>nthvision: gentoo and arch broke pcre for a bit . rebuild nginx
02:23<danblack>and possibly pcre
02:23<retro|blah>Did arch build nginx against pcre-8.30 or something?
02:24<nthvision>pacman -S core/pcre did the trick!
02:24<nthvision>thank you!
02:24<nthvision>that was extremeely odd
02:24<nthvision>I lost hours on this issue last night -_-
02:25<chesty>you should have asked me earlier
02:25<nthvision>I thought everyone was asleep here in the chat
02:25<nthvision>it was all too quite
02:25<chesty>quiet you mean?
02:26<nthvision>yes, haha my spelling is not too good
02:27<SnoFox>I would've loved it if you misspelled something in that last sentence.
02:27<nthvision>well, there WAS a lack of puncuation!
02:28<@akerl>And there it is :/
02:29<SnoFox>Hey akerl, if you want me to shut up, you cold tell me how to make Java work the way I want it. :>
02:29<@Praefectus>SnoFox: impossibru
02:30<SnoFox>Praefectus: It's ok, I'm not asking for it to use less RAM or anything.
02:30<SnoFox>Just can't figure out how to properly compile this .jar :(
02:30<SnoFox>So as a result, I'm emerging eclipse on my laptop to build. But like any good Java thing, it's taking forever to get started.
02:31<SnoFox>Started 20 minutes ago and it's still not even half-way done :<
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03:12<dr_jkl>someone hilight me
03:12<Kyh>dr_jkl: durpdurp
03:18<SnoFox>Quick, someone highlight dr_jkl again
03:18<SnoFox>He must be tested!
03:18<chesty>Kyh: where are your trolling skills? when someone asks to be hilighted, the last thing you do is hilight them :(
03:19<SnoFox>The first thing I ask is, "Why do you need it, sir?"
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03:30<preflo>hey there Linode folks ... is anyone having issues in Japan at present?
03:31<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
03:31<Kyh>preflo: define "issues"
03:31<linbot>Kyh: [mtr] 9 hops, 20.0%/126.0ms (urmom)
03:32<preflo>my instance isn't loading anything
03:32<preflo>no web pages
03:32<Kyh>What do you mean? You're trying to load pages in lynx on your linode? Or your webserver isn't working?
03:33<preflo>It's ok, now working
03:33<preflo>php info took about 3 mins to load
03:33<rnowak>I fixed it, you're welcome. We've had issues with godzilla standing on the pipes lately.
03:34<Kyh>and birdflu
03:34<@Praefectus>rnowak: you were sposed to be PROactive, not REactive.. yer fired.
03:35<preflo>Godzilla seems to do that all too often
03:35<rnowak>This will cost you dearly Praefectus, you can't stop me and senor gojira! MWHAHAHAHA
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04:08<JMag>Hi. I'm trying to secure my Ubuntu installation. So far I've been using root to do everything. I want to disable root ssh access etc as per the security guide, but I don't know how to add a new user for myself, with password, etc. to allow sudo and everything else I need... is there a guide for that?
04:10<@heckman>Alright, Nagios is set good enough for the night. I'm headed to sleep.
04:10<rnowak>g'night heckman
04:10<JMag>Thanks. I've looked at that, and it kind of makes sense... but I'm still a bit confused as to what is the minimum I need to do to set up a user account for myself with the system permissions that I need...
04:11<JMag>Is 'adduser jmag' enough?
04:11<rnowak>JMag: it is
04:11<JMag>I don't want to do anything fancy at this point... just a basic user for myself to use.
04:13<@akerl>And make sure you have sudo permissions, which means either putting yourself in the appropriate group or adding your user to the sudoers file
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04:27<JMag>So is there already a group 'sudo' by default?
04:27<bob2>'adduser someuser sudo' <- adds user to sudo group
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05:09<internat>hey blonde moment, can you clone disk images between nodes?
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05:12<internat>ooh the ping times to tokyo from AU are nice..
05:13<internat>i would have thought i tested that earlier.. interesting
05:13<Peng>internat: Depends on where in AU you are.
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05:13<Peng>internat: Half the AU ISPs probably route it through California.
05:13<chesty>i get 140ms, but half the time the network is down for me
05:14<internat>mmm that would be unfortunate
05:14<internat>im getting 136.. which is half what i get to my other node.
05:15<chesty>the network being down half the time "could happen anywhere"
05:15<rnowak>do you get routed the other way then or does it just stop working?
05:15<chesty>i think a neighbour gets packeted every week
05:15<internat>i need to do some clean up of my nodes.. got 3 at the moment.. which is way way way overkil
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05:16<chesty>never happened to me in fremont :( i miss my nice fremont node, and nice ip address :(
05:17<internat>i h ave two in fremont and 1 in dallas
05:17<jbenet>hey, thoughts on why TXT dns records aren't being returned by linode nameservers?
05:17<@Praefectus>whats your domain?
05:17<internat>has it been more then 15 minutes?
05:18<jbenet>internat: yep, been >12 hrs. i was given ``variable=value``, so i put variable in the name, value in the value. perhaps i should just put ``variable=value`` as the value itself?
05:19<rnowak>quite likely.
05:19<bob2>^ makes TXT value
05:19<bob2>er other way around
05:22<jbenet>yep, that was it :] thx.
05:24<jbenet><3 irc hivemind
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05:30<raistlinthewiz>hi, is there a problem within london linodes, i got 3 servers and cant access any of them
05:31<@akerl>raistlinthewiz: What does MTR say?
05:32<raistlinthewiz>oh it just got fixed
05:33<@akerl>My bet is on an issue between you and london
05:34<hawk>The intertubes? Clogged? Lies!
05:35<encode>yeah, they get hairballs occasionally
05:36<raistlinthewiz>mm yes seems so, its related to my connection i guess
05:36<hawk>encode: Well, clearly you have to consider that it's a series of tubes. It's not a big truck that you can just dump something on...
05:36<chesty>it's a parallel of tubes
05:37<internat>and they intersect and split, and merge, and occasionally go round in circles
05:38<hawk>chesty: Hmm, I may have missed that memo...
05:38<chesty>tubes clogged?
05:39<hawk>chesty: That would be an explanation, I suppose.
05:40<chesty>you don't live in tokyo do you?
05:44<hawk>Me? No
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05:54<chesty>heckman: echo is a bash builtin, why you use /bin/echo?
05:54<marius>Because it's Tim :3
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05:57<hawk>chesty: Because fork is a wonderful thing? :P
05:57<chesty>i forked it already
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05:59<hawk>chesty: I meant fork(2)
06:00<chesty>oh, then why didn't you say so
06:00<hawk>To me it was obvious from the context
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06:03<linbot>New news from forums: Apache/Passenger Tuning on Linode 768 in Performance and Tuning <>
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06:17<chesty>tokyo is fucked again, about the 5th time today
06:17<praetorian>lucky it
06:17<praetorian>(im fine)
06:17<chesty>"could happen anywhere"
06:17<tusk>where on the homepage can I upgrade from 512 to 768 ?
06:17<tusk>I can not find it easily.
06:18<praetorian>i think you have to log a ticket for that
06:18<praetorian>i caould be wrong
06:18<linbot>Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images.
06:18<praetorian>oh there you go
06:18<praetorian>resize tab :P
06:18<chesty>praetorian: swap you
06:18<chesty>praetorian: are you on tokyo1?
06:18<praetorian>chesty: this host im ircing on is tokyo
06:19<tusk>found it.
06:19<tusk>and trying it.
06:19<praetorian>no worries
06:19<praetorian>chesty: yeah, 4 :)
06:19<tusk>My son wanted me to host a minecraft server
06:19<chesty>25 packets transmitted, 20 received, 20% packet loss, time 24049ms
06:20<praetorian>chesty: what about to my ip? this host
06:20<praetorian>tusk: ah :)
06:20<praetorian>tusk: diggie diggie hole!
06:20<chesty>praetorian: what host?
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06:21<praetorian>or this one im ircing on
06:22<chesty>it has return to normal, normal is 1 packet loss every 30 packets
06:22<chesty>tokyo4 is the same
06:22<praetorian>maybe kddi is on to you
06:22<chesty>what's kddi?
06:23<chesty>this is normal for me 106 packets transmitted, 101 received, 4% packet loss, time 105148ms
06:24<praetorian>kddi is the dc
06:24<chesty>not saying that's a linode problem, I haven't looked into it. but the 20% packet loss is at the last hop
06:24<praetorian>are you on version fioz?
06:25<chesty>what's that?
06:25<praetorian>the one isp that cant get to tokyo
06:25<chesty>yes i am
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06:26<praetorian>ok to fix it we need to rinstall your brain
06:27<@akerl>chesty: What continent are you on...?
06:27<chesty>the best one
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06:27<praetorian>hes on a prison
06:27<chesty>tasmania isn
06:27<chesty>t a continent
06:28<@ericoc>praetorian: kddi<->verizon has been resolved for awhile
06:28<praetorian>ericoc: "awhile" must be less than 2 weeks
06:28<@akerl>praetorian: That's forever in internet time
06:28<praetorian>true that
06:28<praetorian>speaking of internets
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06:41<JediMaster>can I just double check, are you meant to add the gateway for a second public ip in the network/interfaces file when it's an aliased device (e.g. eth0:0)
06:41<@Praefectus>did you read the static networking guide?
06:41<JediMaster>it's on a different subnet too, so I presume so
06:41<JediMaster>Praefectus: yes, and it doesn't have the gateway there
06:41<JediMaster>which seems odd for a different subnet
06:42<praetorian>marius: dont be sad.
06:43<marius>I'm not actually xD
06:44<praetorian>sure sure
06:44<@Praefectus>the only thing that would make marius mad is if they removed the emma watson subreddit
06:44<Peng>...There's an Emma Watson subreddit?
06:45<@Praefectus>Peng: GET OUT FROM UNDER YOUR ROCK
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06:45<praetorian>lucky shes over 18 now
06:45<marius>there's a wattso nsubredit ?
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06:45<linbot>When an IP address is added to or removed from a Linode, the Linode must be rebooted in order for the changes to take effect in Linode's architecture. Additionally, DHCP will only provide one IP to that Linode; when using more than one IP address (including private), a static configuration must be used:
06:45<marius>Link us, my good man.
06:45<Peng>Shockingly that fell out of my browser history.
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06:46<Peng>JediMaster: "Please note that although your VPS may have multiple IP addresses assigned to it, you should only specify a default gateway for one IP."
06:46<JediMaster>Peng, oddly enough, I've not had to reboot
06:47<Peng>JediMaster: o_O
06:47<@Praefectus>JediMaster: you think?
06:47<Peng>JediMaster: You sure? Does the IP work? Maybe you rebooted earlier?
06:47<JediMaster>yeah, just restarted networking and it picked it up
06:47<marius>Got it!
06:47<@Praefectus>JediMaster: probly because its set up as static, try to access it via browser ;)
06:48<Peng>JediMaster: Yes, you can add any configure any old IP you want to. You need to reboot for the host to let you actually send and receive traffic over it.
06:48<Peng>s/add any//
06:49<Peng>s/ // :)
06:49<Peng>Err, s/ / / that should be
06:49<@Praefectus>linbot: reboot Peng BRAIN
06:50<praetorian>sif regex
06:50<@Praefectus>Peng: sorry, you'll have to reboot yourself.. 06:49 <linbot> Error: "reboot" is not a valid command.
06:50*JediMaster bites the ears off a Malteser bunny
06:51<JediMaster>oh yeah!
06:51*praetorian eats some cambert kit kat
06:51<JediMaster>little things but yummy
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06:52<@Praefectus>malted milk balls?
06:52<JediMaster>you don't have maltesers over there?
06:52<JediMaster>they're honeycomb balls covered in chocolate
06:53<praetorian>do you have jaffas?
06:53<JediMaster>mmmm jaffas
06:53<@Praefectus>i get my jaffas from chulak
06:53<JediMaster>"Whoppers" over here are beefburgers from Burger King =)
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06:53<praetorian>jaffa cakes != jaffas
06:54<praetorian>JediMaster: burgers are better at hungry junks
06:54<praetorian>SpaceHobo: yeah
06:54<JediMaster>ahh you guys don't have mini eggs do you? as they're Cadbury's
06:54<Solver>mmm jaffas
06:54<JediMaster>Oh really? yeah they're mostly around easter over here too
06:55<praetorian>every time i go to brazil, we take about 30 packs of tim tams.
06:55<praetorian>SpaceHobo: o_O
06:55<@Praefectus>praetorian: nooo.. THIS is a jaffa
06:55<praetorian>these are only small
06:55<praetorian>Praefectus: whats a stargate?
06:55<JediMaster>lol at stargate reference
06:56<praetorian>jaffas were the best for rolling down the aisles of cinemas!
06:57<JediMaster>Terry's Chocolate Oranges?
06:57<JediMaster>basically a fairly large solid sphere of chocolate that is split into thin segments
06:58<praetorian>peanut butter m*m's
06:58<praetorian>om nom nom
06:58<JediMaster>peanut butter?
06:58<JediMaster>don't have those =(
06:58<JediMaster>peanut yes, not peanut butter
06:58<praetorian>hard to come across here too
06:58<Peng>We have Reese's Pieces, which are basically the same thing.
06:58<praetorian>they are
06:59<Peng>Reese's Pieces == peanut butter M&M's, I mean
06:59*praetorian nods
06:59<praetorian>ive had green tea kit kat before
06:59<praetorian>(japanese special)
07:00<JediMaster>but Reese's Pieces !== peanut butter M&M's
07:00<praetorian>they pretty much are
07:00<rnowak>green tea kit kat
07:00<rnowak>I googled, it looks horrible
07:00<JediMaster>I was more referring to the == meaning being different to = and === =)
07:01<praetorian>ah right
07:01<praetorian>rnowak: it wasnt that bad
07:01<rnowak>JediMaster: nerd
07:01<JediMaster>heh, Peng started it with ==
07:01<praetorian>they have soy sauce kit kat
07:02*JediMaster wonders what he has started
07:02<rnowak>At the moment, just 19 varieties are currently available in Japan
07:02<rnowak>We've got one here, the original (:
07:02<JediMaster>no chunky?
07:02<praetorian>id imagine you have the white chocolate one too
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07:03<rnowak>praetorian: iirc it sold bad and was removed
07:03<praetorian>SpaceHobo: sounds like americans
07:04*praetorian runs
07:04<crimbox>hi. i've run the command 'sudo netstat -lnp | grep :143' and it says that 24087/citserver is listening on port 143. how do i stop it?
07:04<praetorian>SpaceHobo: D:
07:05<praetorian>nod nod
07:05<JediMaster>crimbox: kill 24087, if it's still there after a few seconds, kill -9 24087
07:05<JediMaster>crimbox: that won't stop it from starting again however
07:06<JediMaster>SpaceHobo: come to the land of of the sweet tooth!
07:06<JediMaster>uk =)
07:06<crimbox>thanks JediMaster. that got it. how do i stop it for good?
07:06<crimbox>ive removed all citadel packes and purged
07:07*JediMaster is still trying to figure out where everyone is
07:08<hawk>SpaceHobo: oh noes
07:08<JediMaster>shh, that kind of thing gets you put on a no-fly list SpaceHobo
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07:08<praetorian>SpaceHobo: can you blow up Sky? so i can get all my f1 via bbc?
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07:08<marius>I dislike Sky
07:08<marius>their techs are retards the lot of'em
07:08<JediMaster>me too, but their ADSL is decent
07:09<marius>I sent in a few abuse reports of one of their users posting CP
07:09<marius>They replied with "Stop sending us these we can't find out who the user is any way"
07:09<JediMaster>can't, or too lazy
07:10<marius>I know they are too lazy, everyone knows ISP's log IP allocations based on time if they are dynamic
07:11<marius>That is when I got pissed off and akiled *.sky
07:12<rnowak>12:09:21 marius: They replied with "Stop sending us these we can't find out who the user is any way"
07:12<rnowak>did they really?
07:12<marius>not in such simple terms
07:12<rnowak>I'm sure the police would like to know about that
07:12<marius>they used "big words" to sounds important
07:13<marius>but that's the gist of it
07:13<marius>oh they do :P
07:13<marius>Everything I sent sky went CC'd to NSY
07:14<crimbox>guys, has my mail server been hacked? here is the contents of /var/log/mail.log
07:14<crimbox>it looks like citadel has been trying to connect to random places
07:15<crimbox>im pretty sure it shouldnt be trying to connect to
07:16<hawk>Maybe your new chinese sysadmin disagrees?
07:16<rnowak>sum ting wong dum fuk?
07:16<nthvision>Question: does anyone have any exprience with having installed phpMyAdmin on a LEMP?, im having a bit of trouble
07:17<rnowak>the good solution: don't do it
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07:17<marius>nothing wrong with pMA if you do it properly
07:17<rnowak>sure there is
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07:17<marius>How s o?
07:18<rnowak>there are better tools for it out there, so why mess around with it in the first place?
07:18<marius>I do like HeidiSQL
07:18<marius>I'll admit that, but pMA is so easily accessible
07:18<rnowak>MySQL workbench is alright as well, just don't use it to create schamas/models
07:18<rnowak>it randomly forgets things
07:19<rnowak>like drops constraints and triggers, it is quite amusing, made me rage pretty hard few weeks ago
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07:26<Jordan>Hi. I just tried out the lish ajax console.
07:27<Jordan>Now I'm trying to connect to my site with Putty, and it's telling me that my ssh host key does not match the one cached by Putty... is it possible that this has something to do with logging in via Lish ajax console in the interim?
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07:29<@akerl>Jordan: Have you redeployed since the last time you connected with putty?
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07:31<Jordan>No. I connected a couple of hours ago without trouble. Then I tried Lish ajax console. And now my ssh key is not matching... seems really odd if that's coincidence, and I got hacked in those two hours...
07:32<@akerl>Jordan: LISH wouldn't change your host keys
07:33<Jordan>Wait a minute... I may have been stupid.
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07:41<Kyh>Jordan: are you connecting to lish via ssh or your linode?
07:41<Kyh>(and gotten them confused)
07:53<chesty>praetorian: I've seen that 5 times today
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08:03<Peng>I guess Raghavendra has cats :)
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08:03<Peng>....Cats who know how to open IRC clients! D:
08:04<@akerl>Peng: Is that what happened to you?
08:05<Peng>akerl: What, my ~[5 earlier?
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08:06<Kyh>I am a cat! *meow*
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08:07<Peng>akerl: 'fraid not, unless she can invisibly ninja into the room and strike the keyboard while I'm using it. I've honestly no idea how that happened. I mean, the "/end<Enter>" was me, but...
08:07<@akerl>All cats are ninjas.
08:08<Peng>Yeah, she definitely is a ninja, but invisibility is out of her league. I think.
08:09<marius>praetorian: that's hilarious :D
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08:27<praetorian>marius: :D
08:27<praetorian>chesty: ive seen you once, you dont hear me complaining
08:28<marius>praetorian: also; who is this nikki blade person?
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08:28<marius>Can't decide fomr the blurry pic if it's a "do want" or a "do NOT want" person
08:30<praetorian>marius: nfi
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08:57<amitz>so... i need to archive all emails satisfying a certain criteria (namely having an attachment) from a google app email account. i need to archive the content too (.docs or pdf) into both pdf form and grep-eable form. any simple method?
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08:57<amitz>basically to make a job applicants database.
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09:00<rnowak>amitz: there are a few pdf to text tools that you could use, as for actually fetching them... I personally have a script in python that fetches things using IMAP, used to pull in support emails (with attachement) into our ticket system
09:01<rnowak>I'm sure there's something like that out there available, but we love reinventing things instead of trying to implement different softwares together
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09:28<dzho>amitz: offlineimap probably isn't directly what you want, but it might be an entry into the search space you need.
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09:34<amitz>noted. the gapps to mbox will probably use pop3. But sleepiness overhwelms me, thank you people!
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09:48<Tea>14:47 <+Peron> linode will take all your love
09:48<Tea>Is this true? Can I pay my bill in love?
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09:54<Jonis>Tea: what part of linode would you make love to?
09:57<@Praefectus>Tea: your love must first be translated to USD then you can pay your bill with that
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09:58<Nivex>and what is the exchange rate for love to USD? This is useful information given tomorrow's "holiday"
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09:59<Peng>Translating love to money? Like...enko?
10:00<imMute>Nivex: depends on where you live.
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11:32<myusuf3>is it possible to transfer a running machine ip and all to another account?
11:34<@Perihelion>Yep! Just put in a ticket
11:39<myusuf3>awesome thanks!
11:39<myusuf3>so the machine as well as the ip can be totall move to another account
11:39<myusuf3>no problems?
11:46<@Perihelion>Yeah, if you put in a ticket we can transfer an entire Linode to someone else for you without any down time
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11:48<hawk>Didn't it use to require tickets from both accounts? I seem to recall that from previous discussions
11:48*Peng creates a 20 GB node and transfers it to hawk's account!
11:49<@irgeek>It always has - and always will - require tickets from both accounts.
11:49<@Perihelion>hawk: Yeah, it does (since the other person will be charged for it and stuff at some point) but we tell people that in the ticket :>
11:50<nehalem>hello everyone, i have a quick question. How can I use Google apps DKIM to authenticate mail for my domain and have sendmail on my Linode authenticate as well? If this is not possible, is it bad to have DKIM turned on and have the Linode seem to be spoofing the email?
11:51<hawk>Peng: Oooh, I guess I should be able to use that until the end of the month at least...
11:52<nehalem>Or am I missing something?
11:53<hawk>nehalem: You can use DKIM with both
11:54<hawk>nehalem: The originating server creates a header which contains a signature and a selector. The selector specifies which record in DNS holds the key data.
11:54<hawk>nehalem: So you'd just use different selectors
11:55<nehalem>oh that makes sense. thanks. guess i'll go look up on dkim and sendmail. any good tutorials come to mind for that? otherwise i'll go search
11:55<hawk>Also, unless you actually add a separate policy record there is nothing in DKIM that says that unsigned mail is bad.
11:55<nehalem>thanks hawk!
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12:20<sj353>i am trying to setup a sub domain. but its not working
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12:21<sj353>here is the settings
12:21<@akerl>sj353: Step 1) you don't need a line in /etc/hosts for the subdomain
12:22<sj353>so what do i enter there?
12:22<@akerl>You don't need a line for the subdomain at all. You can remove the line
12:23<sj353>it didnt work
12:23<@akerl>I know :) that was just step 1
12:24<@akerl>the linode's IP is, right?
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12:24<@akerl>And you've a2enabled that site?
12:24<lakridserne>Hey people
12:24<sj353>i used a2ensite
12:24<@akerl>sj353: And you've restarted apache?
12:25<@akerl>They both load for me, pointed to the same page
12:25<sj353>yes but i have a index.html page in /srv/www/suse
12:25<sj353>it should load that
12:26<sj353>i created a Arecord in dns manager
12:26<sj353>with the same ip
12:26<sj353>should i remove that and see ?
12:26<@akerl>pastebin the output of `ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* ; cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*`
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12:28<sj353>use this command ? `ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* ; cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*`
12:28<sj353>okay wait
12:29<sj353>take a look now
12:29<@akerl>Ok, that's the ls. Now let's cat the files so we can see your whole config
12:29<sj353>here you go
12:30<@akerl>Gotcha. Try changing * to *:80 in the second virtualhost and restarting apache?
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12:31<sj353>i tried that
12:31<sj353>but wait
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12:31<sj353>yeah it couldnt resolve that
12:31<@akerl>? whatcha mean?
12:31<sj353>this is the error i got
12:31<sj353>[Mon Feb 13 11:31:16 2012] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *80 -- ignoring! [Mon Feb 13 11:31:16 2012] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts ... waiting [Mon Feb 13 11:31:17 2012] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *80 -- ignoring! [Mon Feb 13 11:31:17 2012] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts
12:32<@akerl>Open up /etc/apache2/ports.conf and make sure the line reads NameVirtualHost *:80
12:33<@akerl>And also make sure they is a ':' in *:80 for your VirtualHost blocks
12:34<sj353>yes there is
12:35<sj353>now but : wasnt there in my sites virtualhost file
12:35<sj353>but now i get
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12:36<sj353>no its fine
12:36<sj353>for the confusion
12:36<sj353>but it still does not work
12:36<@akerl>? What error do you get now?
12:37<sj353>it just restarts fine
12:37<@akerl>Works from here. Clear your browser cache?
12:38<sj353>do you see the index.html file now /
12:38<sj353>with just the <h1> tags ?
12:38<@akerl>"Welcome to Shayo's suse instance"?
12:39<sj353>let me see here
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12:40<sj353>do you still see it ?
12:41<sj353>i cleared my browsers cache
12:41<Zol>I shouldn't need to install lilo, linux-image-2... and mbr on my linode, right?
12:41<sj353>but its still not working
12:42<retro|blah>Zol: No.
12:42<sj353><akerl> , can you try again. i made some changes to the virtualhost file
12:43<@akerl>still works. your issue is client side
12:44<sj353>means ? what should i do ?
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12:45<@akerl>something on your end is caching. clear all the cache
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12:46<sj353>but its not opening on my phone browser either
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12:47<sj353>akerl, please see the current config here
12:48<retro|blah>sj353: Did you set up A records for and for yet?
12:48<CaptObviousman>cache all the things!
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12:50<sj353>yes i hve setup A RECORD for
12:50<sj353>i tried having the information in /etc/hosts file now
12:51<sj353>this is what i have in /etc/hosts shayonme
12:52<retro|blah>Is that the /etc/hosts on the computer you're viewing the website on?
12:53<sj353>no on the vps
12:53<sj353>i have sshed
12:53<retro|blah>Well *$)^(#$(%#*%(#$
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12:54<retro|blah>The computer you're viewing the website on doesn't know what's in your VPS's /etc/hosts
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12:55<sj353>yes but why do i need to ? as in i want to access this subdomain from anywhere
12:55<retro|blah>You're temporarily testing it while DNS propagates
12:55<sj353>so should i have that in the vps /etc/hosts ?
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12:56<retro|blah>What OS is your computer running? Not your VPS, your computer.
12:56<sj353>okay its working now
12:56<sj353>that was dumb
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12:57<sj353>so i should just wait for the dns to update the records right ?
12:58<sj353>thanks :)
12:58<sj353>thanks akerl
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12:58<retro|blah>If you wanted to test it locally you would have needed to change /etc/hosts on your LOCAL machine
12:58<retro|blah>Because as I said before, your local machine doesn't care what's in your VPS's /etc/hosts
12:58<hawk>Update /etc/hosts on all the machines!
12:58<Katana>best form of dns ever
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12:59<sj353>but then after the dns is updated i wouldnt have to worry about updating the /etc/hosts right ?
12:59<retro|blah>Anyway you shouldn't need to do that now since it sounds like DNS has propagated
12:59<sj353>i understand that now
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12:59<sj353>no i dont think so it has
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13:01<sj353>has it ?
13:01<hawk>Katana: Well, it's pretty much what they did pre-dns. Not sure it was the best system, though.
13:02<linbot>New news from forums: "Archiving" a linode in General Discussion <>
13:02<kelketek>Hello, folks! I'm new around these parts (and new to IRC in general, so apologies if I violate any specific netiquitte I'm not aware of. Please let me know of any and I will do my best to correct.) I am dealing with an issue installing my distrobution's default kernel (Ubuntu 10.10). After following the directions here:
13:02<kelketek>..., however, I get a message on boot telling me /dev/xvda does not exist.
13:02<retro|blah>kelketek: Why are you trying to install your distro's default kernel?
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13:03<kelketek>retro: Because I wish to use uptrack with it once I've got it in place.
13:03<retro|blah>Does your configuration profile have something assigned to /dev/xvda?
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13:04<kelketek>Slash is assigned there.
13:06<retro|blah>Go to Linode Manager and look at the Configuration Profile you're trying to boot to. Check that
13:06<retro|blah>Does it show this message after the grub menu shows up, or does it not even get to the grub menu?
13:07<kelketek>It gets to grub, but once grub. I can even navigate the menu. But if I try to boot, that's when I get the message.
13:08<retro|blah>Can you pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
13:09<kelketek>Sure. One moment.
13:12<kelketek>Is that an incompatible kernel? It's marked as virtual, and I got it through the package manager with linux-virtual, I believe. I thought this would enable Xen capability?
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13:13<retro|blah>Are you sure about that?
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13:14<kelketek>No. I do know that I set it up following the directions from the link above in the Linode Library.
13:14<retro|blah>Is there a config file in /boot corresponding to this kernel? Try grepping it to see if it has XEN enabled
13:14<@caker>it's obviously booting...
13:15<@caker>either your device names are different under that kernel, or the device isn't actually attached, or the block frontend driver isn't enabled
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13:16<kelketek>config-2.6.35-32-virtual does exist, yes. Where would I look to find device names? When the boot fails, it drops me in initramfs.
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13:17<@caker> mount proc and then cat /proc/partitions
13:19<kelketek>It lists sda and sdb. I suppose I shall try those, then.
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13:24<kelketek>Squee. That appears to have worked. Thank you, caker and retro.
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13:30<KyleXY>caker: was there a network hiccup in Dallas? .-.
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13:32<JoeSa>Why is london158 down?
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13:37<retro|blah>JoeSa: Is it down? Seems like it responds on ssh
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13:37<retro|blah>(Granted that doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot)
13:37<@Perihelion>KHobbits: Mind a quick PM?
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13:40<rnowak>don't do it KHobbits, she is evil
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13:42<Konstantin>Hello all
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13:45<Konstantin>i would like to ask is it possible to run own Xen images?[ i would like to deploy appscale which have predefined xen images ] thank you
13:46<hawk>Konstantin: Not sure if this is what you mean, but sounds like a variation of
13:47<JoeSa>retro|blah: Just came back from emergency maintainance.
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13:49<JoeSa>Do Linode make any up-time promises? I've had so much downtime with london158 over the last year
13:51<kelketek>According to the site "99.9% uptime, or your lost time is refunded back to your account."
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13:57<Konstantin>Thank you hawk, i'll look into! you mean i could just upload any img file and boot from it. right?
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13:57<KyleXY>JoeSa: At this point, you're still in Fremont though.
13:57<KyleXY>JoeSa: Time to get the clue that fremont is hell
13:57<KyleXY>JoeSa: s/$/\?/
13:58<KyleXY>Oh derp
13:58<retro|blah>london158 is in fremont?
13:58<KyleXY>JoeSa: ignore that, I failed :(
13:58<hawk>Hehe, actually that explains a lot
13:58*KyleXY goes to get the coffee
13:58<KyleXY>hawk: It would, if it were true
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13:59<@caker>JoeSa: that host has had particular problems - you should be getting a notice soon that we are going to be configuring migrations off .. sorry for the trouble
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13:59<sj270>hello i just setup a wordpress instance on my vps. and now to install a plugin its asking for ftp
14:00<sj270>how do i create ftp user account ?
14:00<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
14:00<KyleXY>caker: Was there any issues with any hosts in Dallas that caused some network downtime for that host? Something strange happened that I'm trying to figure out heh
14:00<@caker>sj270: Wordpress says that when it can't write to its own files/directories. Fix the permissions and you should be fine
14:00<hawk>That doesn't really solve your problem but it highlights that you probably don't want to run a ftp server...
14:00<Tea>FTP baaaaad
14:00*Tea hisses
14:00<@caker>KyleXY: not that I'm aware of
14:01<KyleXY>Hmm, dang, then not sure if what happened was software or hardware.
14:01<Tea>sj270: There's a wordpress plugin for sftp
14:01<Tea>sj270: you just need your shell account username and password, and your user needs to be able to write to the wp-content things
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14:02<sj270>well what permission should i apply then ?
14:02<sj270>i put chmod 755
14:02<sj270>on the folder
14:02<@caker>sj270: depends on ownership, and who your webserver runs as
14:02<Tea>That would make the folder readable and writable by the owner. And just readable by everyone else.
14:03<sj270>it runs as root
14:04<sj270>so what permission should i apply to the folder?
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14:04<@caker>sj270: I seriously dobut your webserver runs as root
14:04<Tea>Well I dobut urmom
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14:04<sj270>i ssh to my server as root
14:05<Tea>Don't do that
14:05<sj270>then ?
14:05<fulg0re>ssh as normal user and sudo or su to root
14:05<Tea>Make a user account in your own name
14:05<fulg0re>but meh
14:05*fulg0re ssh's as root on occasion
14:06<sj270>how do i make the user account ?
14:06<fulg0re>read man page for it
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14:10<Joeyjoejoe>heroku) Just wondeing if that is necessary on linode.
14:10<Joeyjoejoe>Sorry about that, lost the first half of my message
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14:11<Joeyjoejoe>I'm just asking if there is any benfit to going with MySQL or PostreSQL over sqlite.
14:12<rnowak>I've been learning the ins and outs of postgres last two weeks, and porting applications over from mysql, it is teh awesome
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14:12<KyleXY>rnowak: it's just the porting that takes time :p
14:12<Joeyjoejoe>Ah ok. I'm just used to using SQlite for development.
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14:13<rnowak>if you use sqlite for development and get away with it, your applications have very modest needs for a RDBMS
14:13<Joeyjoejoe>Ecommerce rials app.
14:13<Joeyjoejoe><- Rails noob
14:14<rnowak>SpaceHobo: there's things sqlite can't really do as well as, say, postgres
14:14<rnowak>I mean features, than just performance
14:15<rnowak>ORM should die in a fire
14:15<Joeyjoejoe>It's been years since I've used IRC . I can't remember how to private message, sapcehobo.
14:15<KyleXY>Joeyjoejoe: /query
14:15<Katana>sqlite is only good if you don't need concurrent reads/writes
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14:15<KyleXY>SpaceHobo: :p
14:16<Katana>but yes, regarding wordpress:
14:16<rnowak>SpaceHobo: sure, would be a boring world if everybody agreed with everything all the time
14:16<Joeyjoejoe>Oh never mind, I'm just seeing where I'm referenced.
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14:18<KyleXY>Personally, if I'm going to be doing a blog, I'll be using Octopress heh
14:18<rnowak>personally, HA HA HA BLOGS
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14:19<KyleXY>rnowak: ;P
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14:20<KyleXY>rnowak: They're fun to laugh at when they give people false information, though :p
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14:23<Joeyjoejoe>SpaceHobo: Thanks for the advice. I'm comfortable with psotgres, I might as well use it from the satart if it will scale better.
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14:23<yekibud>does anybody know what some apache optimization settings for mpm_worker_module might be?
14:24<yekibud>i found this:
14:24<yekibud>but it's for mpm_prefork_module
14:25<yekibud>i'm having some memory issues that are a pain to troubleshoot - all i know is that i get a "cannot allocate memory error" from my python process, and restarting apache fixes the issue
14:26<rnowak>how are you running python?
14:27<KyleXY>Doesn't nginx support wsgi nicely? .-.
14:28<yekibud>@KyleXY: yes, so i've heard
14:28<KyleXY>yekibud: Give it a try? :)
14:28<rnowak>nginx doesn't support wsgi at all, it is not an application server
14:28<yekibud>well, there you go
14:28<KyleXY>rnowak: Could've swore there was a module, *shrug*
14:29<rnowak>it is called uwsgi, and it is a communication protocol that for instance uWSGI uses
14:29<rnowak>uWSGI is the application server that I use
14:29<rnowak> gave that a read yekibud?
14:30<KyleXY>rnowak: meh, I was close, /me isn't a user of it
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14:30<rnowak>maybe you should start a blog
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14:31<KyleXY>rnowak: hahah
14:31<KyleXY>No thank you :p
14:31<rnowak>I hope you saw the not-so-very-subtle message in there
14:32<KyleXY>rnowak: I just don't give a care about most of what people say, so :p
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14:33<rnowak>maybe you should start a blog
14:33<KyleXY>rnowak: nou
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14:33<yekibud>rnowak: well the modwsgi link you sent seems to imply that mpm settings dont matter if you are running mod_wsgi in daemon mode
14:35<rnowak>scroll down to the worker part, might be relevant to you
14:36<yekibud>rnowak: cool, thanks - have to chew on that a bit..
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14:44<webroasters>hi guys. I have a subdomain on one of my linodes, and the main domain on another one. I just switched the sub domain a little while (today) ago, and I've been checking dig today. It's not switching over for some reason. Did I do something wrong?
14:44<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
14:45<webroasters>i repointed the subdomain to the new server, if you're wondering
14:45<hawk>webroasters: If you query the authoritative servers, do you get the right answer?
14:45<webroasters>what do you mean by authoritative servers?
14:46<webroasters>the main domain?
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14:47<hawk>I mean the namservers where the domain is actually hosted, the ones answering authoritatively.
14:48<webroasters>you mean, like Namecheap, Godaddy, etc. I never changed anything there. They only point to the nameservers at linode., etc. From there, I created the sub-domains from the linode backend, and make all the connections work on the server (folders, virtualhosts, etc)
14:49<hawk>webroasters: "dig +trace" may be useful if you're not sure where the domain is delegated.
14:49<webroasters>ok 1 sec. by the way, thanks for your help in advance
14:49<KyleXY>hawk: he just said to linode's nameservers.
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14:50<KyleXY>hawk: at least, assuming I read that right
14:51<webroasters>i don't know what I'm looking for there, except for the fact that I get the old ip address for the sub domain.
14:52<webroasters>1 sec. let me try something and i'll be back
14:52<hawk>webroasters: Ok, so the authoritative servers still have the old address?
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14:52<webroasters>yes, but i'll be right back. maybe I can do this another way. 1 sec
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14:55<Katana>every time i see a codebase with a hybrid of indenting styles, my stomach turns sour
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14:56<rnowak>styles? there's right and there's wrong
14:56<Katana>eight spaces, two spaces, tabs
14:56<Katana>god why would you even mix that in the same FILE
14:56<tusk>stupid editor ?
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14:57<rnowak>a stupid editor would change what already is there, so no, stupid people
14:57<tusk>M-x untabify ?
14:57<Katana>have some DISCIPLINE, people
14:58<tusk>M-x indent-region
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14:58<rnowak>I've got a on-commit and on-push trigger that checks files and throws them back in your face
14:58<hawk>I would guess someone or probably several different people using different editors with different settings and none of them having visible whitespace.
14:59<rnowak>should be established as a policy for a project, imho
14:59<Katana>and obeyed
14:59<rnowak>well, we're back to stupid people
14:59<KyleXY>rnowak: Too bad people just don't
14:59<Katana>and if not obeyed, at least fixed on merge >_>
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14:59<kelketek>Has anyone here worked with Kerebos on OpenLDAP?
14:59*Katana hooks up monitor 2
15:00<KyleXY>Hmmm, two of my "favorite" things, kelketek
15:00<tusk>it is quite annoying if the version control system reports too many lines changes because of indentisi
15:00<rnowak>kerberos? no hablo kerebos
15:00<tusk>Kelketek: a little
15:01<tusk>Kelketek: it is not easy.
15:01<kelketek>Oh, wonderful. Do you have any idea why I might be getting the error message "line 80 attributetype: AttributeType inappropriate matching rule: "generalizedTimeOrderingMatch"" when trying to load up the kerebos schema?
15:01<tusk>sorry no.
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15:02<rnowak>tried googling?
15:02<kelketek>Yeah, not had much luck there.
15:02<rnowak>you sure?
15:02<kelketek>I can try again. Did you find something?
15:03<hawk>kelketek: You googled with kerberos spelled correctly, right? :)
15:03<kelketek>Haha, well, let me try again just in case I might have spelled it wrong.
15:03*rnowak facedesk
15:03*Katana takes rnowak's desk
15:03<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
15:04<Katana>rnowak: thanks for letting me borrow the desk
15:04*Katana walks away
15:04<SleePy>If he misspelled it, google should of told him
15:05<hawk>SleePy: Well, hopefully
15:05<hawk>SleePy: I just had to check as he consistently misspelled it here
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15:07<kelketek>I did spell it right when searching (I copied and pasted the error message), but when I looked over my results earlier, I overlooked something that may be the answer. Trying it now.
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15:09<kelketek>Yes. That worked. And now I shall track down my next error message with great vigor.
15:10<rnowak>which of the possible errors was it?
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15:11<Katana>warning: do not chew on the kerberos server. do not blend the kerberos server. do not attempt to incinterate the kerberos server.
15:12<Nivex>Do not fold, bend, spindle, or mutilate.
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15:12<Nivex>That's what one of my history teachers back in high school used to say whenever we'd hand something in.
15:13<Katana>leaves an opening for using a cross-cut shredder
15:13<kelketek>The issue was 'You got this old config file from the Internet and you don't know where it's been. Here's my config file. I've been using it constantly. So I know where it's been.' So I took the config file that someone had loved quite well and installed it.
15:13<Nivex>Katana: I think that falls under "mutilate"
15:13<rnowak>kelketek: hah
15:13<Katana>no, you can still understand it if you reassemble it
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15:14<rnowak>kelketek: consider yourself lucky, kerberos could have easily killed you
15:15<kelketek>I would expect so, since he's a three headed guard dog from Hades.
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15:24<dwfreed>caker: since I know you're curious: caught an Airbus A320 from PHL to DTW, and another CRJ-200 for DTW to LAN
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15:25<tusk>w7u64xi7: hi
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15:31<webroasters>when you change the ip address on a domain to point to another linode, you have to wait for the server to propagate, this i know. I keep checking the command "dig" for information on the time, and it will count down for me. Eventually, it starts over at 900. Obviously, this is basically, 15 minutes I believe. But nothing changes when it starts over. What's the deal?
15:33<@caker>two things need to happen. First your authoritative domain name servers need to start service up the new answers when asked. At Linode, zones are updated every quarter hour.
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15:34<webroasters>ok, so namecheap or whereever we bought the domain at, is pointed to the linode's nameservers: - ns5,etc. Now what?
15:34<@caker>Secondly, all of the resolvers out there in the world, and all of the resolvers that the resolvers ASK need to have either NEVER looked up the record before (so it grabs it from upstream - ultimately's resolvers), or have the record timed out - which depends on what the TTL value was --> when it cached the results <-- , not what the TTL is now
15:34<@caker>what is the domain?
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15:35<@caker>whois states the auth nameservers are not linode's.
15:35<dwfreed>And DNS agrees
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15:35<webroasters>so I'm supposed to wait. ?
15:35<@caker>who do you want hosting the DNS?
15:36<webroasters>linode of course. I add subdomains to the main site through linode's manager
15:36<@caker>you need to set the domain's auth nameservers to Linode's at the domain's registrar, then wait for them to do the needful ...
15:36<@caker>in the meantime, add the zones over at Linode, and add the records, etc.
15:37<dwfreed>webroasters: if you recently changed who should be providing the DNS at your registrar, it may take some time for them to update the information; some registrars can do it in a matter of seconds, and others can take up to 2 days to make the switch
15:37<webroasters>the zone was already created and working just fine. I just changed the ip address to the new linode.
15:37<@caker>that doesn't make any sense :)
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15:39<webroasters>hmm. The zone for altyris was already created. On the old ip address. I bought a new linode, and I'm switchin the site to the new one. I changed the IP address to the new address, and I'm waiting for the change to take place. In terms of sub domains, I create new zones for the ones I want to make, and I add the virtualhosts to the server, and voila, after a few minutes, they're up and running. Does this make sense?
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15:40<@caker>webroasters: is not hosting DNS for that domain, so changing it here is pointless
15:40<dwfreed>webroasters: your registrar (Network Solutions, by the looks of it) has yet to update that the DNS should be provided by Linode; until that's been changed, you won't be able to see the changes you make in the DNS manager unless you ask Linode's servers directly
15:42<webroasters>i just talked to the brass around here, actually, nevermind, I know what I need to do. I was confused and didn't know what was going on
15:42<webroasters>thanks for your help guys.
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15:45<shagoyjo>I'm looking for a list of necessary ports that linode uses for monitoring and operations on my node so that when I firewall it I don't cut it off from the management systems. Any pointers?
15:46<squircle>shagoyjo: none
15:46<bob__>shagoyjo: its monitored from the underlying host i believe.. so doesn't matter
15:46<bob__>i have outbound/inbound deny rules and all the monitoring tools in the dashboard still work fine
15:51<dwfreed>shagoyjo: also, because Linode is unmanaged, Linode's systems need no access to the inside of your node anyway
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15:53<PeteMall>is there a reason for not allowing rDNS for node balancers?
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15:58<dwfreed>PeteMall: because one physical NodeBalancer server can be used by several customers, by the looks of it
16:01<PeteMall>dwfreed: looks like node balancers are "software" running in a node and have dedicated IP addresses for each customer
16:02<@caker>PeteMall: no good reason other than we don't have a facility to alter them (rdns for nb ips are derived from a convention, currently)
16:03<dwfreed>yay for bind generation rules
16:03<PeteMall>caker: any plans for adding this or even api access?
16:03<PeteMall>api access for setting it in case you don't want to add an interface for it in the manager
16:03<@caker>first we need a way to change it :)
16:04<@caker>it's not currently on the roadmap, but I'll note your request
16:05<dwfreed>caker: I was surprised to see how common the last name "Aker" is on the east coast; when I was landing in Philadelphia, I saw a shipyard with the name "Aker" that looked to be building Navy ships
16:06<@heckman>The kicker for the Philadelphia Eagles was David Aker (up until recently)
16:06<PeteMall>caker: I have another question that I would rather ask in a pm… got a min?
16:07<@caker>PeteMall: sure
16:07<JoeK>there is this chris aker fellow i keep hearing about
16:07<JoeK>rumor has it he drives a green jeep
16:07<dwfreed>rnowak: yeah, there's Les too, who is no relation
16:08<rnowak>JoeK: stalking?
16:08<dwfreed>JoeK: you're obviously not talking about caker, then, because he doesn't drive a Jeep
16:08<JoeK>rnowak: in one of the new office pictures you can see a reflection of a green jeep on the door
16:08<rnowak>stalker, guaranteed
16:08<dwfreed>JoeK: link?
16:08<rnowak>or should I say... gauranteed? (:
16:10<dwfreed>JoeK: probably just some random person who works in the same building; Linode doesn't use the whole building
16:10<rnowak>they don't? :O
16:10<JoeK>i do recall asking one of the staff whos it was
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16:10<rnowak>guess there'd be collateral damage when JoeK blows it up
16:10<dwfreed>rnowak: indeed
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16:11<nicinabox>fellas, I'm having a strange problem with SFTP
16:11<nicinabox>using a password, get this error:
16:11<nicinabox>exec: ssh: Not a directory, trying /usr/bin/ssh
16:11<nicinabox>Permission denied (publickey).
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16:12<Kyhwana>nicinabox: you're only allowed public key auth?
16:12<nicinabox>Kyhwana: unfortunately, no
16:12<rnowak>-vvv, get more information
16:13<nicinabox>it doesn't even try the password
16:13<nicinabox>only tries the keys
16:13<dwfreed>nicinabox: because the server has password auth disabled
16:13<dwfreed>"Permission denied (publickey)" means that the only allowed auth method is pubkeys
16:14<Kyhwana>^ what I said
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16:18<nicinabox>got it :)
16:19<nicinabox>I had tried to do some work to jail users and bump up security
16:19<dwfreed>!library SFTP Jails
16:19<linbot>dwfreed: 1. Limiting Access with SFTP Jails on Debian and Ubuntu - | 2. Transfer Files with Filezilla on Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop - | 3. Transfer Files with Cyberduck on Mac OS X -
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16:20<nicinabox>I ended up breaking ssh for everyone so I reverted my changes, but I must have missed the password auth part
16:20<bob2>don't forget to install etckeeper
16:22<dwfreed>Yeah, the point of SFTP jails is that it's the only way they can access the machine
16:22<dwfreed>so not useful for somebody who needs shell access too
16:22<dwfreed>you can tweak the config so that only users in a specific group get jailed, though
16:25<nicinabox>bob2: I couldn't live with out it
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16:26<nicinabox>dwfreed: I need to revisit the sftp jails definitely
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16:32<shagoyjo>dwfreed: sorry for not responding earlier. Got pulled into a staff meeting. I guess I was wondering specifically about lish, lassie, the backup snapshot system, etc. as regards ports that might need to remain open in a firewall configuration.
16:32<VxJasonxV>Don't suppose anyone could tell me if it's possible to grab raw VPS load statistics relatively easily?
16:32<bob2>none use any ports
16:32<bob2>since none of them communicate with anything in the guest via any network protocol
16:32<VxJasonxV>Linode is already capturing them to graph them, we have a Nagios setup in house and I'd love to just plug Linode's own data into it instead of having to run another process in the VPS itself.
16:32<bob2>VxJasonxV, you want to run collectd anyway
16:33<shagoyjo>bob2: I swear I read somewhere that lish listens on 22, 443, and something else. Or did they mean on the hosting system, not on the node?
16:33<VxJasonxV>in this case I'm probably going to use nrpe. Well, maybe both.
16:33<bob2>yes they meant on the host
16:33<Kyhwana>shagoyjo: correct
16:33<shagoyjo>bob2: ahh, thanks. That clears things up a lot. Thank you. I really need to lock down these servers tight, so I was going to start with a deny all and work my way out from there. Didn't want to lock myself out :-)
16:34<bob2>well, don't forget netstat -plnt
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16:34<shagoyjo>bob2: because?
16:34<bob2>because you could have found the answer yourself
16:36<shagoyjo>bob2: I guess it's just unclear what you are alluding to. I'm not sure if you mean "check for prexisting active connections for services that you are using" (the obvious answer) or something more.
16:36<Kyhwana>shagoyjo: you can always use lish if you do that
16:36<bob2>not sure what you mean
16:36<bob2>'sudo netstat -plnt' lists all things listening on tcp sockets
16:36<bob2>-> would show any management tools
16:36<shagoyjo>bob2: okay then, I'll assume I was just reading too much into your statement :-)
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16:36<bob2>unless they utilised a rootkit to hide themselves i suppose
16:37<bob2><- very confused but ok
16:37<shagoyjo>bob2: my fault probably. I just came out of a conference call with a very noncommittal customer, had me second-guessing everything they said. But thanks for the advice
16:38<VxJasonxV>could you give me a hypothetical situation in which I'd want my own collectd anyways?
16:38<VxJasonxV>or maybe link me to a story talking about it already? :)
16:38<bob2>to get actual stats from your linode
16:38<shagoyjo>Kyhwana: Yeah, I figured that out as soon as I realized that they all interacted from the host system.
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16:38<bob2>disk space, network traffic, disk io, load
16:38<bob2>apache/nginx stats
16:38<bob2>mysql stats
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16:38<VxJasonxV>sure, userspace data I understand.
16:39<VxJasonxV>but the things linode already graphs being made available externally.
16:40<bob2>you can poll with the api afaik, but if you do it too often you will be beaten
16:40<VxJasonxV>I Didn't see stats in the api documentation.
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16:41<VxJasonxV>oh, it's in linode.list
16:41<VxJasonxV>didn't really think about that.
16:42<VxJasonxV>was that written before they debuted the graphs in the control panel, by chance?
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16:44<dwfreed>The API came after
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16:54<w7u64xi7>Can I install a name server or a dns server on my vps, so my name server will be instead of ?
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16:55<bob2>well yes
16:55<bob2>but if you have to ask, I suspect you don't understand why one NS is a bad idea
16:55<bob2>so I'd just use linode
16:55<PeteMall>use linode or pay for a service that'll allow you to run a vanity ns
16:56<w7u64xi7>bob2: what is the differences then ?
16:56<bob2>don't understand what we are trying to compare
16:56<dwfreed>I run a nameserver on my Linode, and slave Linode's DNS off of it
16:56<Kyhwana>bob2: er, you can slave linodes NS and have your linode as the master NS?
16:56<bob2>but linode provides a pretty reliable set of nameservers for free
16:56<bob2>so I'd just suggest that
16:56<Kyhwana>(which is what I do)
16:56<bob2>Kyhwana, O RLY
16:56<praetorian>chesty: happy valentines day my love <3 ----{---@
16:57<Nivex>bob2: I haz name, gimme number!
16:57<Kyhwana>bob2: nono, I meant that as a reply to "one NS is a bad idea"
16:57*Katana lights praetorian on fire
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16:57<bob2>Kyhwana, if someone is asking about vanity NS rather than just doing it, I think it is fair to guess they're gonna do it wrong ;p
16:57<Kyhwana>oh, true
16:57<squircle>w7u64xi7: don't do it
16:57<Kyhwana>w7u64xi7: hope you're willing to learn how DNS works, then
16:58<Katana>what do you want to waste more time on
16:58<Katana>actually getting work done
16:58<Katana>or fucking with vanity nameserver BS
16:58<bob__>vanity nameserver BS does sound more fun...
16:58<Katana>bob__: have plenty of lube ready
16:58<w7u64xi7>ok, will use linode
16:58<Katana>bob__: you'd need it
16:59<PeteMall>that was easy
16:59*Kyhwana runs his own DNS because a) wanted to do DNSSEC/etc and as a learning experience thing
16:59*praetorian runs his own dns because he hosts other peoples dns
17:00<praetorian>do i have off linoe yo.
17:00<PeteMall>doesn't run on linode?
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17:01*tusk runs dns because he teach dns to lpic students.
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17:01<dwfreed>PeteMall: that it does
17:01<Katana>Kyhwana: b) being you enjoy it? o_O
17:01<Kyhwana>Katana: I forgot b, but technicallly the learning thing was b
17:02<JoeSa>Linode just migrated my Linode to another server and it won't even boot properly now, anyone have any ideas? [I can pastebin the errors the Ajax shell gives me if you want them]
17:03*Katana is choking with laughter
17:03<Peng>JoeSa: Yes. Pastebin then.
17:04<Kyhwana>Like, "A great suggestion, with just two minor flaws. One, we have any defensive sheilds and two we don't have any defensive shields. Now I realise that tehcnically speaking, that's only one flaw, but I thought it was such a big one it was worth mentioning twice"
17:06<Peng>JoeSa: .....Huh. What comes before that?
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17:06<praetorian>you want some context?
17:07<JoeSa>Peng: I'll paste it if necessary, I figured those were the main errors
17:07<Peng>Is JoeSa's paste a read-only fs issue? I don't remember what that usually results in. Other than misery.
17:07<Peng>JoeSa: Paste all the things.
17:08<Peng>JoeSa: Bad jokes aside, yes, please paste more.
17:09<JoeSa>Peng: Sorry it's taking so long, this Mac Mini needs a desperate RAM upgrade - It's being crushed under the million apps I've got open
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17:11<bob2>who else has root?
17:11<bob2>I wonder if it's chmod damage rather than mounting / noexec
17:12<JoeSa>bob2: If you're talking to me [I can't tell if you are] - Only I and Linode have root. The site was working absolutely fine until the migration at which point this incident occured
17:12<Peng>I still wonder if it's barriers.
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17:14<JoeSa>I tried contacting support and basically saying "It worked fine before and not after, this is through no fault of my own please help" - but they basically said no
17:14<bob2>i doubt it was that simple
17:14<bob2>but try an earlier kernel
17:14<Kyhwana>JoeSa: same kernel version as before?
17:14<@caker>JoeSa: sounds to me like barriers were enabled somehow, and now they're not working?
17:14<@caker>JoeSa: mind if I (Linode) jumps in for a moment?
17:15<JoeSa>Everything is exactly the same - the automated process did it all
17:15<JoeSa>caker: Sure
17:15<Peng>JoeSa: If your kernel is set to 'Latest', rebooting -- including the reboot caused by a migration -- can cause your kernel to change without taking any other actions.
17:16<dwfreed>caker: barriers at it again? :)
17:16<marius>I'm gonna be the kinda person I dislike being and ask; is london158 fixed this time?
17:16<JoeSa>marius: Yes
17:16<JoeSa>Peng: I have no idea what version I was on before, so Idk :P
17:17<marius>"Yes" as in less then a week ago "Yes"? :P
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17:17<JoeSa>marius: Actually - given the fact that they're migrating everyone away from it, it probably isn't fixed :L
17:18<marius>dammit, that's my irssi node :(
17:18<JoeSa>Peng: Where can I check if it's set to 'Latest'?
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17:20<GLaDOSDan>marius: What's the problem with london158?
17:20<Peng>JoeSa: Linode dashboard
17:20<marius>GLaDOSDan: ALL the things
17:20<GLaDOSDan>Oh rly
17:20<Peng>JoeSa: It lists the kernel in your configuration profile.
17:21<JoeSa>Peng: It's on latest
17:23<JoeSa>marius: Thank god it's only 158 - I was beginning to doubt Linode's service [My first and atm only Linode is on 158 -- Well, just migrated and this is what's causing the problems :L]
17:23<marius>Oh I've had nodeswith them for years
17:23<@caker>hardware isn't magic, alas.
17:23<marius>I've only had one problem before caused by faulty ram which was solved within 20 minutes (yay!)
17:24<dwfreed>caker: it's not? damn, there goes that theory
17:24<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
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17:24<JoeSa>marius: Wow, that's good! Hopefully my problem will be fixed in a similar time period :P [Even though I'm not sure if it's Linode's fault or my own]
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17:33<linbot>New news from forums: Urgent help needed....! Need to remove a phishing site... in General Discussion <>
17:33<bob2>bags not explaining how to reinstall that guy's linode
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17:34<Kyhwana>oh, that guy again
17:34<marius>JoeSa: Yeah issues aren't really an -issue- at linode,they are very fast at fixing stuff
17:35<ush>I have a billing question
17:35<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
17:36<ush>:D ok, I've a vps which is down for non-payment, I'm trying to pay with the cc on file and it's refusing
17:36<bob2>file a ticket
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17:37<ush>oh, automated help
17:37<dwfreed>Linode help is anything but automated
17:38<ush>sorry, just a thought
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17:38<Kyhwana>ush: you might need to talk to your bank/CC company as well
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17:40<marius>Your position is 2 out of 2 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter.
17:40<ush>I'm sure it could be something else, my card has enough funds and I just added funds to my paypal but linode doesnt accept it :S
17:40<praetorian>marius: where are you going to?
17:40<marius>Still london, just moving off 158
17:41<praetorian>i think my london server number is lower than that
17:41<marius>I decided i didn't need my asia node
17:41<marius>it was on host 1 =(
17:41<praetorian>good riddent
17:42<praetorian>mines on 4.. seems chesty has had issues with 4 too
17:42<praetorian>er 1
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17:42<bob2>just keep requesting migrations until you end up on 1 again
17:42<praetorian>(the last 4 = 1)
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17:43<JoeSa>marius: Hopefully your migration will be more successful than mine :P
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17:43<ush>thanks anyway, cya
17:43<marius>well, thisi s just the 1st node I'm migrating
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17:43<marius>the other one is my irssi node, which I am currently IRC'ing by...I don't want to =(
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17:45<rnowak>let's have a party people, we'll have a few minutes. where: here, how: however you like, when: when marius' is gone
17:45<praetorian>and it would be like the best minutes of our lives
17:45<linbot>♪┏(・o・)┛♪┗ ( ・o・) ┓♪┏ ( ) ┛♪┗ (・o・ ) ┓♪┏(・o・)┛♪
17:46<JoeSa>marius: Excuse my idiocy - but why have an external IRC server when you could use something standard like freenode?
17:46*rnowak stare
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17:46<Kyhwana>Someone flip a table
17:46<rnowak>you mean the network you're currently connected to JoeSa?
17:46<bob2>irssi is an irc client
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17:47<marius>I'm so badass I have my own linode jsut for IRC'ing, beat that :P
17:47<praetorian>i use his linode for irc'ing too
17:47<JoeSa>Oh right - so you aren't using it for a server, you're just using it for IRCing? XD
17:47<rnowak>I use his linode for storage of questionable content
17:47<Kyhwana>rnowak: you're mirroring it?
17:47<praetorian>rnowak: i dont store questionable content, i just read it.
17:47<marius>QC is awesome
17:48<rnowak>I got lots of weird stuff from Praefectus
17:48<marius>I should start reading it again
17:48<praetorian>BUTTS LOL
17:48<praetorian>Name your favourite song by Toto?
17:48<marius>I absolutely loved todays XKCD
17:48<rnowak>praetorian: is there any other than walk the line?
17:48<marius>praetorian: He has more than one?
17:49<praetorian>tsk tsk
17:49<dwfreed>marius: the tooltip is hilarious
17:49<praetorian>i had valentines.
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17:50<marius>have yo useen the acapella one ?
17:50<marius>or whatever it is
17:50<marius>it's amazing
17:50<marius>dwfreed: tooltip ?
17:51<marius>oh, todays xkcd, got'cha
17:51<marius>It scares me how his thought process is a big too much like mine
17:51<marius>I would be the one stapling my hand ot my face though
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18:29<JoeSa>Hey guys - caker has just come back saying that he couldn't fix the issue. There is one change I did make before the migration that I didn't restart the old server on - perhaps this could be the problem. Does anyone have any idea how to remove a cronjob when the machine won't boot properly?
18:30<@caker>JoeSa: Rescue subtab, "Reboot into Rescue Mode"
18:30<@Perihelion>You can mangle it in /var/spool/cron or whatever
18:30<@caker>I'm at a total loss why your install is doing that. I don't think a cron would prevent bootage, but .. worth trying I guess
18:31<JoeSa>It's the only thing I can think of. Everything else worked perfectly after any number of reboots and shutdowns before
18:31<Kyhwana>i'd check to make sure all your files/etc are still there and uncorrupted while in safe mood too
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18:32<JoeSa>Kyhwana: How can I check this?
18:32<Kyhwana>well, I guess you don't have hashes for everything pre-migration :|
18:33<dcraig>can you log in via lish and watch it attempt to boot?
18:33<bob2>debsums -c yo
18:33<Kyhwana>I mean, is it possible the disk image got corrupted mid-migration or something?
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18:34*dwfreed guesses disk images are transferred using rsync
18:34<JoeSa>dcraig: I pastebin-ed the results earlier - I could try again I guess
18:35<JoeSa>Kyhwana: Any idea how I would check something like this without hashes? I didn't make a backup before migration #ImStupid
18:35<JoeSa>The AJAX Lish shell doesn't seem to work properly in Chrome for some reason which doesn't help - the arrow keys don't function correctly. I guess I'll have to try in Safari or something
18:36<Katana>safari is also webkit, don't bother
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18:36<bob2>what os
18:36<Katana>you'll need to use firefox
18:36<Jonis>my linode migration failed
18:36<Kyhwana>JoeSa: debsums -c? ;) or see if your package manager will let you verify everything..
18:36<mwalling>or you can just ssh to the host
18:36<Kyhwana>Jonis: failed how?
18:36<Katana>either that or...yeah, what mwalling said.
18:37<mwalling>Jonis: near the ajax link is the username@host to ssh to lish
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18:37<@caker>Jonis: update/open a ticket please
18:37<Jonis>Kyhwana: Migrate Filesystem - Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Disk Image from
18:37<Jonis>Entered: 1 hour 17 minutes ago - Took: 25 minutes, 46 seconds Migration failed
18:37<Jonis>caker: ok
18:37<dcraig>two migrations with problems?
18:37<Jonis>was moving off 360 as it's been screwy
18:37<@caker>no, just one.
18:39<JoeSa>Linux noob question: I'm stuck in what I think is vi, how do I exit?
18:39<VxJasonxV>Esc, :q!
18:39<bob__>JoeSa: might have to hit esc first
18:40<Jonis>ok, new ticket open, time to read some more book I guess :)
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18:40<Jonis>Got to 49,something% then transfer speed just dropped and stopped.
18:43<JoeSa>Is the 'tmp' directory important or can I just remove it? [After all, it should all be temporary stuff, right?]
18:43<retro|blah>Stuff in tmp is expendable, yes
18:43<@caker>Jonis: you should be good to go in about 10 minutes
18:43<Jonis>caker: excellent :)
18:43<@caker>sorry for the hassle
18:43<squircle>JoeSa: don't remove the directory itself, though
18:44<Jonis>caker: no worries, fastest support reply I've ever had :)
18:44<bob__>JoeSa: vi is definitely something good to know, if you run 'vimtutor' it will teach you the basics pretty quick
18:44<JoeSa>Kyhwana: "debsums: command not found"
18:44<JoeSa>bob__: I'll have to take a look - I'm always running into it
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18:45<JoeSa>It's definitely not the cron job. Just checked and none are set.
18:46<Peng>None? There should be a few cronjobs.
18:47<JoeSa>caker: What's up with the profile when it bookts now? "Specified root device does not exist in config profile"
18:47<JoeSa>Peng: Nope, none
18:47<@caker>JoeSa: I fixed. try now
18:48<PeteMall>I have two web nodes (web1, web2) sitting behind a node balancer and I want all 'admin' (subdir) traffic to go to web1. The web nodes are running nginx + php-fpm (sockets). I know I can't route the admin traffic to web1 from the node balancer but can I route it with nginx on web2 to use the php-fpm socket from web1?
18:49<JoeSa>caker: Thanks, much better [although still experiencing the same problems]. Could you give me a lead on what the problem actually is so I can try to fix some more? I don't really know what to do, I want my site back online ASAP
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18:51<@caker>JoeSa: your distro is whacked - either something you did, or something the reboots did. I couldn't fix it, despite best efforst. I think your best bet is to: resize your 'bad' ubuntu disk image to like 3 GB, deploy another Ubuntu deployment ... attach the 'bad' disk image to the new deployment's config profile on /dev/xvdc or something. Boot the new deployment, mount the 'bad' image, and copy your important bits over
18:51<@caker>also: enable backups.
18:51<bob2>PeteMall, can you just make it work on both or use different hostnames?
18:52<JoeSa>caker: It's times like this in which I wish I actually knew what the hell I was doing. I would enable backups, but I'm only a student - I don't have the money for stuff like that.
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18:52<Jonis>do the backups cost anything or do you just have to enable them?
18:52<Jonis>I was always curious about that
18:52<linbot>Backup is not a verb. Please see
18:52<linbot>Backup is not a verb. Please see
18:52<@caker>PeteMall: presuming you don't want to just reverse proxy the requests over to web1? ...
18:52<JoeSa>caker: And unfortunately I don't think I'll be able to easily get the setup right again. It took me weeks to get right, problem solving and setting up rails. Is being a sysadmin always this stressful?!
18:52<bob2>Jonis, cost cash money
18:52<@Perihelion>Jonis: $5/mo for the smallest plan
18:53<Jonis>Perihelion: ah, ok :)
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18:53<praetorian>Perihelion: ----{---@
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18:53<@caker>PeteMall: or yeah: --> direct to web1
18:53<Jonis>if I ever keep anything critical on my linode I'll remember to set up a backup plan :)
18:53<PeteMall>caker: thought about it but I might as well yank the node balancer out at that point and use nginx for load balancing?
18:53*Kyh setup a backup, after doing a backup
18:54<@caker>PeteMall: you'd need a couple to get the HA baked into NodeBalancers
18:54<bob2>PeteMall, that then makes your nginx machine a single point of failure
18:54<Kyh>Jonis: you can resize the existing one, reinstall and then recheck your configs on the old disk image
18:54<bob2>nodebalancers do their own HA foo
18:54<PeteMall>caker: network attached storage will allow me to forget about all of this stuff
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18:55<PeteMall>the site is powered by WordPress and I can technically move the wp-admin to a subdomain but it's not going to help if I want to do this 100 sites instead of 1
18:55<JoeSa>Is there any easy way to check what stuff I have installed on my current Linode running in safe mode? [At the moment I have no idea what I'd want to re-install or anything]
18:56<PeteMall>moving wp-admin to a different domain is a pain for WordPress
18:56<bob2>PeteMall, why does it matter which web server gets admin requests then
18:56<bob2>WP sure doesn't care at all
18:56<bob2>JoeSa, os-specific of course
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18:57<PeteMall>bob2: I'm using web1 as the media/admin master in my current setup and it's running lsyncd to rsync the uploaded media to the other web nodes
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18:57<PeteMall>with a media/admin master all my sync will go in one direction
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18:57<PeteMall>from web1 to web2,3,4...
18:59<message144>Is there a risk of somebody sniffing unencrypted traffic between my linodes?
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18:59<praetorian>well.. its unencrypted.
19:00<PeteMall>bob2: ?
19:00<JoeSa>caker: Thanks for your advice anyway, I'm just talking to a friend of mine about how I might accomplish this. As a sidenote - do you know if "VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly on device 202:0." is normal?
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19:06<EugeneKay>message144 - ostensibly no; there is an underlying ebtables firewall to allow only traffic for your IPs to your Linodes. I'm paranoid however, and I would stick OpenVPN on the private net to make sure it's encrypted.
19:06<message144>EugeneKay, ok thanks
19:07<EugeneKay>Especially if it's MySQL or such in the plain :-p
19:10<message144>EugeneKay, does this seem like a good instructional for doing so: ?
19:11<EugeneKay>Yes, but I always recommend the official OpenVPN HowTo. I may be biased, I play "helpful d00d" in #openvpn on Freenode.
19:11<EugeneKay>The thing to remember is OpenVPN itself is a building block with which to assemble your network, not a complete package in and of itself.
19:11<message144>EugeneKay, great to know. thank you
19:12<message144>EugeneKay, it seems to either be openvpn or attempting to get ssl running on every single service we use, which i dont think would be an easy task
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19:13<EugeneKay>You may be able to play tricks with stunnel, but I don't see that ending well.
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19:14<Takyoji>So, what program is 'saslauthd' a component of?
19:14<EugeneKay>You should be aware that if OpenVPN goes down(the Linode hosting the VPN server dies, or the service doesn't start on any box, etc), your private net goes down. And then your application barfs.
19:14<Takyoji>because it's using a massive amount of RAM
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19:15<Takyoji>Like over 500MB or so
19:15<EugeneKay>!google saslauthd
19:15<linbot>EugeneKay: saslauthd: <>; 10. Configuring SASL to use saslauthd: <>; Postfix SASL Howto: <>; saslauthd(8): sasl authentication server - Linux man page: <>; OpenLDAP with saslauthd and Kerberos - :: (2 more messages)
19:15<bob2>it's part of how you configured postfix
19:16<message144>EugeneKay, ok good to know... That is something to consider
19:17<EugeneKay>message144 - it's really up to you. How well do you trust Linode's private net security? I wish there was a Library article I could point you at concerning it, but this is just stuff I've gleaned from IRC.
19:18<EugeneKay>By all indications it is FAR better than every other host's network security(they allow ARP poison attacks!)
19:18<message144>EugeneKay, well, I would qualify the data being passed around as very sensitive
19:18<EugeneKay>Takyoji - Postfix+dovecot is the most likely reason it's running, but the saslauthd binary itself is provided by the cyrus-sasl package(on Scientific Linux, dunno about Ubuntu). Why it's using so much RAM, I haven't a clue. Check yo postfix config.
19:18<Kyh>message144: then use openvpn or similar
19:18<Katana>message144: then encrypt it
19:19<rnowak>unfortunately that's the state of the program, you'll need to flush it now and then, is what I've gathered since a while
19:19<EugeneKay>Then use OpenVPN or some other mechanism to encrypt it in-flight. Paranoia is a good thing when dealign with passwords, user data, etc
19:19<message144>ok, thanks ... looks like that is the solution
19:19<Takyoji>Is it used during sending mail? Because I think I just fixed something with a webapp, and it's probably now spewing a month's or so worth of email
19:20<EugeneKay>message144 - You can mitigate a server failure somewhat by running active-active ones with multiple <connection> blocks in your client.conf
19:20<EugeneKay>Takyoji - it's used to authenticte SMTP clients, so "yes"
19:20<message144>EugeneKay, ok, i assume that would be redundant servers?
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19:20<Takyoji>It is gradually dropping now in memory usage
19:20<EugeneKay>Yup. If all things are peachy, sever A is used for 100% of the traffic. If A dies, all the clients jump onto B.
19:21<message144>yes that seems essential
19:21<EugeneKay>You can do 50% balancing, but that takes DDNS and routing tricks
19:21<message144>EugeneKay, i am wondering if i should bother using openvpn to access our internal DNS server? or should i use dnssec instead?
19:22<message144>the dns server is on a linode as well
19:22<EugeneKay>Depends what you mean "to access"
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19:22<EugeneKay>DNSSEC doesn't encrypt the DNS packets, it guarantees that they have not been tampered with.
19:23<message144>EugeneKay, i mean for our linodes to do dns lookups
19:23<Katana>EugeneKay: private key signing?
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19:23<EugeneKay>Katana - *shrug* I've not implemented DNSSEC in any of my zones. Just my resolvers. :-p
19:23<EugeneKay>message144 - I wouldn't bother.
19:24<message144>EugeneKay, ok
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19:24<EugeneKay>as long as you're at it though, you could make your VPN server be a local resolver, and point al your clients at the vpn server's vpn IP, with the Linode DNS servers as backups.
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19:24<message144>oh yeah good idea
19:24<dwfreed>EugeneKay: dig +dnssec DNSKEY # :P
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19:25<EugeneKay>dwfreed - does that encrypt the response in-flight? my understanding is it's still plaintext
19:25<dwfreed>EugeneKay: yeah, still plaintext
19:26<dwfreed>You need TSIG for in-flight encryption
19:26<EugeneKay>That's what I was refferring to ;-)
19:26<Peng>DNSCrypt! :D
19:27<dwfreed>EugeneKay: was just showing you that I've implemented DNSSEC on my main zone
19:27<dwfreed>!apropos zombo
19:27<linbot>dwfreed: zombo
19:27<EugeneKay>I haven't. I ought to.
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19:27<linbot>Anything's possible at ZomboCom (DNSSEC+IPv6+DNSSEC-stapled SSL (only works in Chrome/Chromium)+HTML5). ( if you're using Chrome/Chromium) Made possible by the efforts of (IPv6 only :(),, and
19:27<dwfreed>That's mine too
19:27<linbot>Perihelion: linodecom: This is Linodecom and welcome to you who have come to Linodecom. <>
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19:28<@Perihelion>It's an rss feed!
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19:29<@Perihelion>I have a hot date with my guitar...ciao
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20:11<smoge>my domain is down, is it possible
20:11<smoge>ip works, domain does not
20:11<@heckman>What's your domain?
20:11<smoge>I was working 30 min ago
20:11<linbot>retro|blah: Host not found.
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20:12<@heckman>looks like it's dropping at the name servers
20:12<smoge>what does it mean?
20:12<smoge>it registered at
20:12<smoge>maybe was a mistake
20:13<smoge>apache is running, I didn't change anything that might cause it
20:13<@heckman>smoge: it's a DNS issue, it's not an issue with your linode.
20:13<EugeneKay>Whois on isn't coming back either. Check with your registrar
20:13<@heckman>With what dig is showing me I'd suggest reaching out to your registrar
20:13<smoge>yes, I'm trying
20:18<Kyhwana>Is not possible! Entire team is babies!
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20:20<smoge>I can't even login at their website
20:20<dcraig>according to verisign, .cc is for country clubs, community centers, and chinese companies
20:21<smoge>this and all permutations
20:21<EugeneKay>Also credit crds
20:21<EugeneKay>Just enter your CC# .cc and it'll give you a list of transactions
20:22<smoge>you guys are really religious about this stuff
20:22<dcraig>.cc is also for church communities
20:22<deejoe>and the cream cheese industry
20:24<Peng>Chuck E. Cheese's?
20:26<Kyhwana>smoge: looks like they've blown up then
20:26<dcraig>they lost your domain in that big pit of plastic balls
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20:31<smoge>you're right:
20:32<smoge>Eles tiveram um incêndio nos servidores.
20:32<smoge>They had a fire on the servers.
20:33<smoge>Zerbitzarietan sute bat izan zuten.
20:33<drew>her) head how much SSH traffic goes in and out of Linode?
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20:34<dwfreed>drew: say that again; I didn't quite understand what you were asking (and it looks like it may have gotten garbled)
20:34<drew>Sorry… I'm writing a blog post about moving to Linode from my old host. Does a Linode engineer happen to know off the top of his / her head how much SSH traffic goes through your datacenter?
20:34<Kyhwana>drew: what
20:34<Kyhwana>drew: er, there's 6 datacenters
20:35<dcraig>that's an interesting statistic for a blog post
20:35<drew>I can give the full story if there's interest, but it's long and boring
20:35<ajmitch>DPI time?
20:36<smoge>Do you guys plan to install a datacenter in a country (or with a law..) with more concern with privacy?
20:36<dwfreed>smoge: how do you mean?
20:36<drew>Maybe is there a stat for how many connections you open through Lish?
20:37<smoge>well, US is know to have problems with this
20:37<Kyhwana>smoge: doesn't matter, the US will send in the FBI, no matter which country you're in.
20:37<smoge>norway and some other countries have different law
20:37<@Praefectus>US companies follow US law
20:37<Kyhwana>So you're fucked either way.
20:37<EugeneKay>Linode is a US company, so conforming to US law is a requirement
20:37<EugeneKay>No matter where the DC is
20:38<smoge>hum.. maybe a partnership
20:38<dwfreed>hassles > Linode cares to deal with
20:38<smoge>in the future all servers will be outside US anyway
20:38<Peng>drew: Linode probably doesn't monitor the particulars of their overall traffic; lish statistics wouldn't be intersting since it's only used for a small portion of SSH activity.
20:39<deejoe>smoge: that worked really well for megaupload
20:40<Solver>Mr Dotcom lived the high life for a lotta years :)
20:40<drew>Peng: that's about what I figured but it was worth a shot.
20:40<Kyhwana>deejoe: as I said earlier.
20:41<Kyhwana>If the US or the big media companies don't like you, it doesn't matter if you live outside the US or have your servers outside the US.
20:41<Kyhwana>They'll either come get you themselves or bully the country you're in to shut you down/arrest you.
20:41<Kyhwana>Look at all these "free trade" agreements going on.
20:41<Solver>and increasingly international treaties/free trade agreeements and extradition treaties extend the reach of national law enforcement
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20:41<dwfreed>considering if Linode has knowledge of anything taking place (ie, they're sniffing your traffic), they become liable for it, I really highly doubt they have statistics on SSH use, etc.
20:41<ajmitch>Kyhwana: NZ's a safe place, right?
20:41<Kyhwana>ajmitch: Oh yeah! No, wait..
20:41<smoge>No, it isn't
20:42<deejoe>maybe . . . Sealand.
20:42<deejoe>yeah, that'll work.
20:42<Kyhwana>deejoe: nah, they'll just blow it up
20:42<smoge>The Scandinavian countries have constitution more concerned with privacy then New Zeland or US
20:42<deejoe>didn't even have to do that
20:42<smoge>Maybe Brazil too
20:43<Peng>dwfreed: I dunno. Very general statisics aren't uncommon. End-user ISPs like to whine about how much of their traffic is Netflix.
20:43<deejoe>smoge: haha, now I know you're trolling
20:43<dwfreed>Peng: that could get them into some very deep crap
20:44<smoge>you have to go to court to do anything there
20:44<Kyhwana>You can do not-quite-deep packet inspection.. WAND did it..
20:44<smoge>not in US
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20:45<deejoe>smoge: yeah, I'm thinking of the pirate bay's situation here
20:45<Kyhwana> for example
20:45<dwfreed>Kyhwana: even that is a sticky situation; it's best to just not mess with it; Linode does packet accounting, and that's it
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20:46<Kyhwana>yeah, true
20:46<smoge>deejoe: what situation? is it hosted in us?
20:46<Kyhwana>WAND only gets the first 4 bytes of every packet (plus the headers, of which the IP source/dests are anonymous
20:47<deejoe>smoge: sorry by "here" I mean "in this context"
20:47<deejoe>smoge: no, they are scandinavian
20:48<smoge>they are in trouble?
20:49<Kyhwana>TPB? If they go back there they'll get thrown in jail, remember?
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20:51<smoge>yes, this copyright war
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20:58<@Perihelion>I'm back from my guitar finger is bleeding :(
20:58<dwfreed>Perihelion: ow
20:58<Kyhwana>Perihelion: O.o
20:58<staticsafe>abusive relationships suck
20:59<@Perihelion>Yet for some reason I just can't leave
20:59<dwfreed>Perihelion: too much fun?
20:59<Nivex>staticsafe: I have a friend trying to get out of one right now. I heartily agree.
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21:00<@Perihelion>Nivex: With a guitar or a person?
21:01<Nivex>the latter
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21:01<GLaDOSDan>Oh, I missed the :3 party
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21:03<@Perihelion>A wild purrdeta appears
21:03<Kyhwana>so i herd u like mudkips?
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21:04<Jonis>slippery slope that one
21:04<Jonis>mudkips, not purrdeta.
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21:09*staticsafe is playing with ConfigParser
21:09<Jonis>bleh, first of april the data retention directive is meant to kick in here in norway
21:10<Jonis>go 12 months storing of emails
21:10<Jonis>and every movement you do online.
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21:11<amitz>how to apply spam filter rule to old google apps emails?
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21:40<mwalling>caker: what kernel should i use that you won't troll me over
21:40<dwfreed>mwalling: 3.3 :P
21:41<mwalling>dwfreed: too bad you cant see #221493. my uptime is so awesoem that that was the current ticket last time i tried rebooting
21:42<dwfreed>No, 2.6.39 sucks
21:42<dwfreed>Sucks up too much memory
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21:42<dwfreed>mwalling: heh
21:43<mwalling>also, Your account has been active since January 29, 2008
21:43<bob__>werd, think mine is feb 2010
21:43<Kyhwana>dwfreed: and can get hax0r3d
21:43<dwfreed>I've only been a Linode customer since august
21:43<bob__>you've probably had more free upgrades than me :)
21:43<dwfreed>Kyhwana: indeed
21:43<bob__>I have had some good ones though since '10
21:43<@Perihelion>mwalling: irgeek has you beaten by year
21:44<mwalling>Perihelion: irgeek isn't waving his ... around is he :)
21:44<mwalling>Your account has been active since December 03, 2007
21:44<mwalling>^^ other account
21:45<@Perihelion>Well maybe he should be
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21:45<mwalling>speaking of, i should probably get the paperwork moving on paying for that linode now...
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21:54<mwalling__>stupid lassie
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21:59<linbot> |
22:01*Katana grabs link, reuses
22:02<dwfreed>heh, I now know who owns
22:04<dwfreed>rnowak: blame Linodecom
22:04<deejoe>so, slicehost has had a network problem going into its 7th hour now
22:05<@Perihelion>dwfreed: Well, I made it pretty obvious
22:05<dwfreed>Perihelion: yeah, a bit
22:05<dwfreed>Perihelion: I do like that you named the app "The Cloud"
22:05<@Perihelion>The Cloud is actually a lot of apps
22:05<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
22:06<@Perihelion>They all use tweepy
22:06<Katana>someone fix the indentation on that factoid
22:06<Katana>i r lazeh
22:06<dwfreed>heh, you could use twurl too
22:06<dwfreed>and then it could be a bash script :)
22:06<@Perihelion>I wanted an excuse to use python for something
22:07<dwfreed>I still don't know python well enough to write it
22:07<mbreslin>python all the things
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22:07<Katana>i wonder how samuel jackson would react to tweepy
22:08<Katana>"PYTHON IN THE CLOUD?"
22:08<Katana>get these damn snakes off of my cloud
22:08<mbreslin>cloud snakes are the worst kind
22:08<Kyhwana>To the moon!
22:09<Katana>SNAKES IN SPACE
22:09<Solver>Katana: someone should make a movie about that
22:09<Katana>Solver: go email syfy
22:10<Katana>they need a B-movie script
22:10<Solver>yeah good plan
22:10<Solver>I could make a MILLION dollars!
22:10<Solver>(remember when that was an impressive statement?)
22:11<Katana>you'll spend half of it on gas nowadays
22:11<mbreslin>i've got gas
22:11<avenj>I'll say
22:11<deejoe>gas prices are at historic lows
22:11<deejoe>natural gas, that is
22:11<Solver>have you considered sellingi t?
22:12<Guest2497>natgas is cheaper then wind power
22:12<mbreslin>i've got wind
22:12<Solver>even hafter 8 years in north america I could never bring myself to call petrol 'gas'. I generally went with fuel :)
22:12<mbreslin>(from the gas)
22:12<Solver>mbreslin: wind power is important
22:12<Solver>mdcollins: stand in front of a turbine
22:12<dwfreed>Guest2497: um, how do you figure? once you get passed the initial cost of setting it up, wind power is practically free
22:12<Solver>mbreslin: stand in front of a turbine
22:12<Solver>mdcollins: pls ignore
22:13<mdcollins>Haha, no worries.
22:13<@Praefectus>Solver: i can provide all the wind power you need, jus gimme some good chili
22:13<dwfreed>Praefectus: oh dear
22:13<Solver>Praefectus: you've just slved the energy crisis!!!
22:13<rnowak>Solver: moved from mexico, where gas was farts? too much beans etc
22:13<@Praefectus>ya, but with all the methane, im sure global warming will speed up
22:13<Solver>all this time it was staring us in the face (so to speak)
22:14<rnowak>the gas?
22:14<Solver>rnowak: at work yesterday I mentioned that I like the chilli withg extra beans... walked straight in to that one didn't I
22:14<rnowak>beans are nice though, nom
22:15<Solver>yeppers. I like lotsa beans and a little meat in my chilli
22:16<@Praefectus>i use red and black beans in mine
22:17<rnowak>white beans are nom
22:17<rnowak>inb4 racist
22:19*Katana sees yet another article with comments complaining about the youth generation being lazy, uneducated, etc.
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22:19<Guest2497>dwfreed: practically != 0
22:19<Katana>funny thought: nobody's taking responsibility for those failures, and seeing as how it falls on past generations to teach future generations...
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22:20<Guest2497>dwfreed: also, you get money for existing as a nat gas plant (aka capacity payment), you don't get that as a wind turbine
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22:24<Mafeki>does anyone have a invite?
22:25<rnowak>a) invitation, b) not the right channel
22:25<@Perihelion>This isn't really the channel to ask that in
22:25<dwfreed>Especially knowing what is for
22:25<Mafeki>thanks for the support.
22:26<@Perihelion>This is Linode Support, not <random crap> support
22:26<dwfreed>bd_: is a private tracker for CD torrents, 99% of which aren't legal
22:26<Mafeki>oh I thought you guys were giving support.
22:26<rnowak>I got a funny, but I also like being in this channel
22:27<Guest2497>Mafeki: why would #linode give support?
22:27<deejoe>now I wish I'd just gone ahead and said "someone must"
22:27<Mafeki>I thought it did.
22:27<Katana>support for linodes
22:27<Guest2497>seriously, this logic trail must be interesting
22:27<deejoe> <- you want support? write an application.
22:27<Guest2497>Mafeki: is hosted by Peer 1
22:27<Katana>it does not provide genital support.
22:27<Guest2497>er Katana ^^
22:28<Guest2497>fsckit i need to find my services password
22:28<Katana>that's the job of underwear
22:28<Guest2497>you wear tight underwear
22:28-!-Takyoji [~Takyoji@2602:100:18b1:6e2c:21f:c6ff:fe3b:d0db] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
22:28<Katana>i wear boxers actually
22:28-!-bbeausej [] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
22:28-!-bbeausej [] has joined #linode
22:28<Katana>very comfortable
22:28<Mafeki>you guys provide bnc support?
22:29<dwfreed>And now we're venturing down a train of thought I don't want to follow
22:29<Katana>Mafeki: /topic
22:29<rnowak>we're purely a windows support channel
22:29<Katana>mowak: oh you
22:29<Mafeki>ah bnc can be windows
22:29<rnowak>did you know that you can actually write documents on windows, AND linux?
22:29<Katana>rnowak: BULLSHIT
22:29<rnowak>I am sure he'll find a correlation there too
22:30<Katana>linux does not do documents
22:30<dwfreed>Mafeki: this channel provides support for Linode customers; see for what Linode is
22:30<Katana>it only does linux
22:30<rnowak>you're thinking of emacs
22:30<Katana>oh right
22:31*nb noticed it was mentioned that linode is trialing large ipv6 allocations
22:31<nb>what does that mean? a /64? and is delegating rDNS avable
22:32<Kyhwana>ohh, yes plz delegating rdns
22:32<GLaDOSDan>Does anyone have Linode invites??
22:32<Katana>GLaDOSDan: i do hold on
22:32<rnowak>GLaDOSDan: Kyhwana does, PM him for some
22:32<EugeneKay>You can get a /64 via ticket request, delegated rDNS is not available yet
22:32<dwfreed>nb: What he said ^^^
22:32<dwfreed>You can also get a /56
22:32<nb>EugeneKay, is setting rdns via the linode manager available?
22:32<Kyhwana>rnowak: bugger off!
22:32<Kyhwana>EugeneKay: aww
22:32<dwfreed>nb: nope
22:33<Kyhwana>nb: you can for your initial v4/v6 IPs, but not the subnet
22:33<Katana>GLaDOSDan: 113b9a1cb9d42c9ad8ca906278d57e31301546e8 here's mine
22:33<GLaDOSDan>Thanks :D
22:33<Katana>you can use that invite code to get in free
22:33<GLaDOSDan>Really? Sweet
22:33<Katana>free activation
22:33<nb>GLaDOSDan, you can get the same thing without a code
22:33<nb>all the code gets is gets Katana money
22:33<dwfreed>nb: hush, you
22:34<linbot>Why would you steal money from Linode when you didn't refer this person? ;_; (looking for a referral code? see !referral)
22:34<@Perihelion>Use mine!
22:34<bob__>GLaDOSDan: you know what looks like that code isn't working right, i have one for you hold on..
22:34<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909 (Referral docs: )
22:34<Katana>i have another code though
22:34<Kyhwana>Perihelion: you already get free linodes!
22:34<dwfreed>My 1 referral should be finishing up soon
22:34<Katana>up up down down left right left right b a
22:34*Katana presses start
22:34<Mafeki>Ohh linode is awesome.
22:34<@Perihelion>Kyhwana: I have some that I pay for as well!
22:34<Mafeki>You guys like lubuntu?
22:35<dwfreed>Katana: R1 R2 L1 R2 left down right up left down right up is better
22:35<rnowak>luserbuntu is quite a favorite in these parts, Mafeki
22:35<Katana>it's all about arch man
22:35*nb likes fedora
22:35<EugeneKay>I have 4 pending referrals >_>
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22:35<Mafeki>I never really understood what cloud is it's actually annoying.
22:36<dwfreed>mwalling: I see you finally found your services password :)
22:36<Mafeki>I understand what servers are though.
22:36-!-bbeausej1 [] has joined #linode
22:36*Katana wonders what this does
22:36<mwalling>dwfreed: something in my ~/.irssi broke
22:36<GLaDOSDan>I hear runs on Arch
22:36<dwfreed>mwalling: ouch; I lost my entire config once; had to start from scratch
22:36<Mafeki>Can someone here explain to me cloud computing?
22:36<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
22:36<Katana>it's okay microsoft doesn't need package signing anyways
22:37*nb wishes Fedora 16 was available for linode
22:37<mwalling>Mafeki: don't you have somewhere else to troll?
22:37<dwfreed>!library custom distro
22:37<Mafeki>I'm not trolling.
22:37<linbot>dwfreed: 1. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS - | 2. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 3. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB -
22:37<GLaDOSDan>Mafeki: lol.
22:37<dwfreed>nb: see number 1
22:37<Kyhwana>I hear computers don't do well in clouds, they get rusty with all the water
22:37<nb>dwfreed, yeah, i know, i just wish the linode manager would install it
22:37<EugeneKay>"Clouds are terrible places for computers. All the condensation corrodes the traces and rusts out the hard drives."
22:38<Katana>nb: couldn't you do similar to what ubuntu does with dist-upgrade, and keep your kernel?
22:38<Katana>!alias add cloudcomputing echo "Clouds are terrible places for computers. All the condensation corrodes the traces and rusts out the hard drives."
22:38<linbot>Katana: The operation succeeded.
22:38<dwfreed>Gentoo has the benefit of being able to be set up from any running linux environment, so I just installed Gentoo from Finnix (since the Gentoo base image at the time was ancient)
22:38<Katana>EugeneKay: congratulations, you don't have to look that up in the future
22:39<dwfreed>Katana: nah, he'll forget about the alias
22:39<dwfreed>I can't even remember mine
22:39-!-folsto [~orange@] has joined #linode
22:39<Katana>dwfreed: you're not valid, linbot says.
22:39<dwfreed>Katana: no, the one I made (though I've modified several)
22:39<linbot>Anything's possible at ZomboCom (DNSSEC+IPv6+DNSSEC-stapled SSL (only works in Chrome/Chromium)+HTML5). ( if you're using Chrome/Chromium) Made possible by the efforts of (IPv6 only :(),, and
22:39<Katana>dwfreed: i think he's trying to get you to go suicidal. :\
22:39<dwfreed>I can never remember what I called it
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22:42<EugeneKay>Katana - I have it alias'ed to /cloud
22:43<EugeneKay>And I'd make it "!thecloud" :-p
22:43<Katana>EugeneKay: then do eet
22:43<nb>!alias add thecloud cloudcomputing
22:43<linbot>nb: The operation succeeded.
22:43<Mafeki>so but really what exactly is cloud computing?
22:44<Katana>linbot explodes.
22:44<nb>hmm, i guess chaining aliases doesn't work
22:44<nb>!alias add thecloud [ cloudcomputing ]
22:44<dwfreed>!help cloudcomputing
22:44<linbot>The cloud is a terrible places for computers. All the condensation corrodes the traces and rusts out the hard drives.
22:44<dwfreed>03:44:35 <linbot> Error: There is no command "cloudcomputing".
22:44<EugeneKay>Now leave it be.
22:45*nb wonders what someone would do with a /56 on a linode
22:45<EugeneKay>Porn. Lots of porn.
22:45<Katana>one image per ip
22:46<linbot>Perihelion: linodecom: You can do anything at Linodecom. <>
22:46<@Perihelion>ANYTHING AT ALL
22:46<nb>Perihelion, :)
22:46<nb>Perihelion, you can send mass spam?
22:46-!-Kunda [] has quit [Quit: Kunda]
22:46*nb figured that would be frowned upon :)
22:46<GLaDOSDan>Perihelion: mine bitcoin?
22:46<Mafeki>*Cry* no one can plain to me cloud computing they just make silly computer in cloud jokes.. :(
22:46<Katana>that's because the cloud *is* a joke, really
22:46<GLaDOSDan>Mafeki: You did come in here and start by asking for invites...
22:47<@Perihelion>I mine bitcoins! zomgz
22:47<EugeneKay>Mainframe neckbeards from the 70s find this all terribly familiar
22:47<rnowak>HOW I FISH BITCOIN
22:48-!-cooldude [] has joined #linode
22:48<Katana>rnowak: ^5
22:48*Kyhwana fishes Perihelion for gold
22:49<rnowak>my brain just barfed and read that as Perihilton
22:50<amitz>cloud computing is an abstraction to ignorance, it's up there, somewhere, somehow
22:50<cooldude>hey guys, i am just wondering, does Linode do custom orders?
22:51<rnowak>that's pretty vague
22:51<Kyhwana>cooldude: I'm going to go with no.
22:51<amitz>custom as in bigger? or extra on some stuff?
22:51<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
22:51<Kyhwana>^unless you use those
22:51<amitz>yes to former too
22:52<cooldude>custom orders meaning what budget such new customer has
22:52<Katana>you *could* ask, but I don't know how that'd go
22:52<cooldude>and what he/she will be willing to spend
22:52<Peng>As long as the custom color you want is black, then yes.
22:52<Kyhwana>cooldude: no, you just order one of the plans
22:52<Peng>cooldude: What's wrong with the available plans? The pricing is fairly granular.
22:52<Katana>everything's pretty uniform though
22:53<cooldude>Peng, well another VPS provider is kinda ripping me off
22:53<cooldude>and i had a deal where i paid $49 USD for a whole year
22:53<Kyhwana>cooldude: thats uh, pretty cheap
22:53<JoeK>shouldnt that be an indicator as to how well custom deals work out?
22:53<dwfreed>First rule of deals: get it in writing
22:53<Kyhwana>I wouldn't expect much for $49/year for a VPS
22:54<dwfreed>Second rule of deals: get it in writing
22:54<dwfreed>Kyhwana: nor would I
22:54<mbreslin>you don't need writing if you do the spit in the hand first before the shake
22:54<JoeK>if i ran f@h on my linode 1024, would i get beaten with a chain?
22:54<rnowak>0thstrdnd rule: if it sounds too good to be true, it often is
22:54<dwfreed>JoeK: no, probably not
22:54<rnowak>JoeK: you'd be an asshole if you did
22:54<Daevien>rnowak: are you sayign he isnt one now? :p
22:55<dwfreed>JoeK: Linode would open a ticket with you if they needed you to throttle back a bit, but that practically never happens
22:55<Peng>JoeK: No. We prefer crowbars.
22:55<JoeK>Daevien: :(
22:55<cooldude>ya because i paid $49 USD a year for a 1 GB RAM VPS, 20 GB HD, and 500 GB of Bandwith
22:55*rnowak stare
22:55<Peng>cooldude: Who's getting ripped off again?
22:55<cooldude>Peng, me kinda
22:55<Kyhwana>cooldude: per month or the entire year?
22:55<Daevien>cooldude: chances are slim to none. as you've noticed, anything for that money sucks ass. hence, you need to pay mor eif you want somethign less sucky
22:55<cooldude>Kyhwana, for the entire year
22:55<cooldude>Daevien, i know
22:55<JoeK>i became very interested in fah lately; i got my work to enlist into using our terminal servers for folding, and a few clients i have also volunteered their resources
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22:56<cooldude>btw ohai JoeK :P
22:56<Kyhwana>well, that's only ~41GB per month, but that's still a reaaaly good deal
22:56<Peng>JoeK: "Misuse of System Resources: Intentional misuse of system resources, including but not limited to employing programs that consume excessive network capacity, CPU cycles, or disk IO."
22:56<Kyhwana>So I fail to see how you got ripped off
22:56<cooldude>remember me JoeK? :P
22:56<JoeK>indeed i do
22:56<dwfreed>My friend had a $3/month VPS; he finally got tired of all the shit, so I managed to get him to buy a Linode
22:56<rnowak>you shouldn't run fah on a linode, I am sure you can figure out why
22:56<cooldude>i am perma banned on Ustream JoeK D:
22:56<cooldude>and uh
22:56<JoeK>Peng: i could of course set fah to be throttled
22:56-!-litwol [] has joined #linode
22:56<linbot>litwol: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
22:56<JoeK>cooldude: if you are in snicks room on SIP, it would be much more suited for personal chatter, heh
22:57<dwfreed>!ask litwol
22:57<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
22:57<Daevien>JoeK: run it on your own systems, get better performance WITHOUT pissing off your neighbours and being beaten with a crowbar
22:57<cooldude>JoeK, oh?, why you say that?
22:57<JoeK>Daevien: i dont have X5540004502304612049's on my 2003 home server :P (im not probably going to run fah anyways)
22:57<JoeK>cooldude: because #linode is srs bzns
22:57<litwol>i what is up with servers in JP
22:57<mbreslin>f@h is fine just do what i do and add linodes under peng's account
22:57<cooldude>JoeK, lol..
22:57<JoeK>mbreslin: more?
22:57-!-folsto [~orange@] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
22:58<cooldude>JoeK, PM btw
22:58<Daevien>litwol: er ,more detail as to your problem?
22:58<linbot>Kyhwana: [mtr] 9 hops, 20.0%/126.1ms (urmom)
22:58<Kyhwana>litwol: looks fine to me
22:58<dwfreed>I ran PrimeGrid on my Linode 4GB back in august; was fast as hell
22:58<litwol>trying to figure out if my buddy being a newb or there was a hiccup in JP networks
22:58<Kyhwana>I'll go with the former
22:58<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
22:58<litwol>me too
22:58<Daevien>litwol: chances are better about noob. try using mtr
22:58<JoeK>litwol: ^^
22:59<dwfreed>I don't think there's enough network maintainence going on in Dallas
22:59<cooldude>Peng, Kyhwana, Daevien, why i say i am getting ripped off becasue i am with TelVPS right now and it looks like they oversell their nodes
22:59<mbreslin>my hexacore i7 is water cooled and i don't care about the power bill, yet i refuse to do any of that f@h/boink crap, i do not give in to peer pressure!
22:59<mbreslin>not even to cure cancer!
22:59<Kyhwana>cooldude: well no shit they oversell their nodes for $49/year.
22:59<dwfreed>there's one planned in 2 hours, and one Wednesday
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22:59<Kyhwana>dwfreed: ssshhh
23:00<Daevien>cooldude: overselling or crappy performance or bad uptime or some combination of the above is what you get for $50 a year
23:00<cooldude>Kyhwana, well i did a custon order for them so that is why i went with them
23:00<cooldude>Daevien, ^
23:00<dwfreed>caker: we need more network maintainence in Dallas :)
23:00<Kyhwana>What Daevien said
23:00<Peng>mbreslin: So...we should all say disributed computing is terrible, so then you'll do it to demonstrate how un-bandwagony you are?
23:01<Katana>wait what's this about dallas maint?
23:01*Katana goes to look
23:01<cooldude>becasuse Kyhwana, Daevien, they would normally charge $28.00/mo for a 1 GB RAM VPS
23:01<Peng>mbreslin: You know what's a bandwagon? Energy efficiency! You should crank up the Folding@home to prove you don't care!
23:01<mbreslin>reverse psychology is confusing
23:01<mbreslin>stop it
23:01<Kyhwana>cooldude: so?
23:01<Daevien>if you want none shitty performance, get a linode & pay for a year or two, you'll get a discount. but thats abotu all they will do. it's not worth it to be bargain basement vps company #45434
23:01<dwfreed>Katana: there's one in 2 hours, and one wednesday
23:01<Katana>if you see me drop from irc you know why then
23:02<cooldude>Daevien, -nod-
23:02<mbreslin>cooldude: the bottom line is they made that awesome deal with you because they oversell, 30$/month is still probably too low for a decent vps with 1gb ram
23:02<Peng>Wait, the 2012-02-15 maintenance was announced a week in advance; the 2012-02-14 maintenace only a day. Things getting worse?
23:02<dwfreed>Peng: probably not
23:03<Peng>And that's ignoring the other 2 this month...
23:03<cooldude>mbreslin, i guess lol..
23:03<Daevien>Peng: it's theplanet. probably a fire (literally) somewhere
23:03<mbreslin>stay off fremont i'm still winning idlerpg ;/
23:03*Katana hiccups mbreslin's connection
23:03<linbot>Congratulations! You've lost the game!
23:03<linbot>Kyhwana: *click*
23:04<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡/(.□ . \)
23:04<linbot>dwfreed: *click*
23:04<Katana>hold on i got this Kyhwana
23:04<Katana>!alias add table echo (╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
23:04<linbot>Katana: The operation succeeded.
23:04<Katana>let's see if it handles utf8 right
23:04<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
23:05<dwfreed>What's the first character of the middle "word"?
23:05-!-nannu [~Navi@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
23:05<Katana>dwfreed: of what
23:05<Kyhwana>dwfreed: c
23:05<mbreslin>Katana: thanks for that
23:05<dwfreed>Katana: of !table
23:05<mbreslin>i lol'd
23:06<Katana>dwfreed: press end key, see glorious utf8
23:06<dwfreed>Probably still won't look right
23:06<dwfreed>Katana: that's actually worse
23:07<Katana>not my fault you're using an os that doesn't show it right
23:08<dwfreed>I blame fonts
23:08<Katana>fix them!
23:09<mbreslin>in years i've followed all the guides and never been able to get putty+irssi+screen to work together to show me utf8 properly
23:09<mbreslin>gave up long ago
23:09<@Perihelion>It works fine for me
23:09<dwfreed>Consolas is the best font I've found, and it doesn't have that character; and for some reason, chrome is failing at unicode, or something
23:09<Katana>i blame putty mostly
23:09<dwfreed>mbreslin: yeah, WFM too
23:09<Katana>I boot into linux mint and it shows just fine
23:09<dwfreed>bob2: terminus on Windows actually sucks really bad
23:09<Katana>(gnome terminal)
23:09<mbreslin>Perihelion: what font do you use in putty
23:11<dwfreed>mbreslin: I use Consolas; be sure translation is set to UTF-8, that screen is in UTF-8 mode with Ctrl+a :utf8 on, and that irssi is using utf-8 as well
23:11<@Perihelion>mbreslin: I don't remember, but I remember having to change the translation to UTF-8, set term_charset in irssi to UTF-8, and start screen with -U
23:12<mbreslin>dwfreed: i use consolas as well
23:12<dwfreed>or put defutf8 in .screenrc
23:12<mbreslin>dwfreed: and i set all of that
23:12<dwfreed>s/defutf8/& on/
23:12*nb guesses he should try irssi
23:12*nb uses xchat
23:12<nb>but i know among the fedora crowd irssi is popular also
23:12<dwfreed>yeah, definitely try irssi
23:13<encode>irssi + ssh + screen ftw
23:13<dwfreed>why do you need a graphical client for a text protocol?
23:13<encode>dwfreed: so the animated emoticons work properly
23:13<nb>how do you tell irssi what ip to bind to?
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23:13<nb>and can irssi log?
23:13<encode>nb: yes, and yes
23:13<avenj>I have a few dozen channels across a lot of networks ... I don't _need_ a graphical IRC client but it does optimize my responsiveness
23:14<dwfreed>nb: /help connect answers the first question
23:14<Kyhwana>nb: man irssi
23:14<Kos>avenj: really? I'm the opposite
23:14<@Perihelion>Also check /set
23:14<Kos>I'm only at 26 channels, though, so maybe more would make a gui help
23:14<avenj>Kos: yeah, some people seem to do better with irssi. admittedly I might just be broken.
23:15<@Perihelion>I'm usually in 100+ channels across a number of networks...GUI would be terribad for me I think
23:15<mbreslin>some aliases for switching windows help me, i'm in 16 channels over 4 networks
23:16<@Perihelion>The time of the sleeping is upon us. Goodnight, Linodians.
23:16<Kyhwana>nini Perihelion
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23:17<avenj>tbh I find xchat (with lists, not tabs, ofc) scales pretty well, and when I'm highlighted in a bunch of places it's easy to tell at a glance (possibly with a quick scroll ...) which channels might need priority
23:17<avenj>there's probably ways to use irssi more efficiently in that regard but I find it obnoxious when I have a bunch of highlights in irssi and don't really know exactly which is where
23:18<mbreslin>show highlight in same current window
23:18<Kyhwana>mbreslin: hrm, how do you do that?
23:19<mbreslin>there's a .pl on irssi scripts iirc
23:19<Peng>dwfreed: Why do you need a text client for a binary protocol? :D
23:19<avenj>why do you need a client!
23:19<Peng>In irssi, I stay /away 24/7 so I can use the away log.
23:19<bob2>wish was less shit
23:19<Peng>(Which logs highlights in a single place.)
23:19<bob2>and didn't randomly bring me back
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23:22<mbreslin>nfi if that still works it's just what i used ages ago it may be broke on recent irssi versions
23:23<mbreslin>i used to run the console channels on efnet with several thousand people in #xbox etc
23:23<mbreslin>came in handy
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23:24<SirSquidness><3 - all my higlights appear in a window at the top of irssi!
23:24<HedgeMage>SirSquidness: How's that working for you? It sounds like it might put me in danger of answering people in the wrong channel.
23:25<praetorian>bob2: its okay, i unfortunately know him
23:25<bob2>NO EXCUSES
23:25*staticsafe uses as well
23:25<mbreslin>HedgeMage: messages show up as network:nickname or should
23:26<mbreslin>unfortunately reading comes with the territory when using a text client
23:26<praetorian>i have a hilight window for taht
23:26<SirSquidness>HedgeMage: it works magically. It tells me what channel the hilight was from, and is distinct from the channel windows. No confusion!
23:26<SirSquidness>praetorian: I'm sorry for your knowing me :(
23:26<praetorian>its okay squid
23:26<SirSquidness>I'm more sorry for your knowing tacticus
23:27<mbreslin>mmm calimari
23:27<praetorian>SirSquidness: true that
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23:28<mbreslin>watch alcatraz or play kindoms of amalur
23:28<mbreslin>amirite @bob2
23:28<staticsafe>dual screens, do both mbreslin
23:29<mbreslin>staticsafe: no fair using logic
23:29<mbreslin>bob2: <3
23:29<mbreslin>i've not yet joined the world of the multimonitored
23:29<Kyhwana>mbreslin: *gasp*
23:30<mbreslin>i know, fucking single monitor degenerates
23:31<dwfreed>I should probably get another cable for my KVM
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23:32<dwfreed>I'd have to cheat on this one, though, since my laptop doesn't have a PS/2 port, and that's how the KVM decides if there's something there
23:32<mbreslin>what's kvm is that that old technology from before we had ssh+keyauth
23:33<SirSquidness>$1 from deal extreme!
23:33<dwfreed>mbreslin: Windows machine + X forwarding sucks + 1920x1080 monitor
23:34<dwfreed>Also, consoles FTW
23:34<mbreslin>dwfreed: i solve that by (this will make people puke) running w7 on all home computers
23:34*mbreslin ducks and runs
23:34*dwfreed runs to the bathroom to throw up
23:34*EugeneKay high-fives mbreslin
23:34*dwfreed comes back and projectile-vomits on mbreslin
23:34<@Praefectus>win7 powers my gaming rig
23:35<EugeneKay>I like being able to GPO my home stuff
23:35<EugeneKay>It's fiddly and horrid, but works genius once you get it working.
23:35<dwfreed>Praefectus: yes, because gaming is best in Windows
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23:35<dwfreed>although Diablo 2 runs great in Wine
23:36<mbreslin>diablo 2 is for suckers not in the d3 beta
23:36<mbreslin>BETA INVITE SLAM
23:37<mbreslin>p.s. witch doctor is the most entertaining class though not super useful and/or tough
23:38<MTecknology>This is probably blah stuff, but I just learned about Alt+# and I'm pretty excited and have to share :)
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23:38<mbreslin>what is that accessing other consoles?
23:38<SirSquidness>MTecknology: did you learn about alt+q through alt+o ? :3
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23:39<MTecknology>mbreslin: append a # to the beginnig of a new line and press enter purty much
23:39<mbreslin>oh i see yeah i just use alt+n and quickly cycle through
23:40<mbreslin>i should use numbers it's faster
23:40<MTecknology>I used to just put a single quote at the end of the line and press enter and Ctrl+c
23:41<Katana>win+numberkey = <3
23:42<mbreslin>that beats the hell out of alt+tab
23:42<mbreslin>where do you guys learn these secretzez
23:43<Katana>I miss super+space and gnome-do
23:43<Katana>launchy doesn't compare to gnome-do
23:43<Katana>not one bit
23:43<imMute>Katana: YOU ARE A GOD
23:43<mbreslin>Katana: i'm telling my friend about alt+# on skype and claiming complete credit, ty
23:43<Katana>mbreslin: i don't give a damn
23:43<Katana>it's awesome
23:43<mwalling>you know skype does regexes?
23:44<mbreslin>i'm like kevin you didn't know that haha you idiot?
23:44<Katana>also mind-blowing:
23:44<mwalling>Katana: Win+P on windows 7
23:44<mwalling>(win d has been around since at least 98)
23:45*Katana hugs win+l
23:45*Katana tries win+f, immediately regrets it
23:45<mbreslin>i'm nervous to try d or p for fear it's like quick reboot or some crap
23:45<Katana>mbreslin: d->desktop
23:45<mbreslin>ah cool
23:45<Katana>win+m minimizes all...
23:45<Katana>doesn't unminimize
23:45<Katana>like win+d
23:46<Katana>win+b focuses on nav tray
23:46<Katana>win+x does...what the hell is this
23:47<Katana>mobility center wat
23:47<Katana>oh hell yes i like win+t
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23:47<Katana>DO NOT TRY WIN+U
23:47<mbreslin>must look away
23:48<Katana>lol win+f1
23:48<dwfreed>Katana: Win+D is a toggle
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23:49<Katana>similar to the lower-right button
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23:50<dwfreed>Katana: and the Desktop destination in Alt+tab
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23:52<Katana>you mean the one that always pisses me off when i accidentally alt-tab inside a game
23:52<linbot>New news from forums: nit: shutdown -r turns linode off in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
23:52<Katana>true story: the Win key is one's worst enemy in TF2
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23:53<SirSquidness>Solution: don't press the win key
23:53<EugeneKay>I dunno about you, but I've always been able to NOT PUSH A KEY without much effort
23:53<Katana>problem: win is near ctrl, space, shift
23:53<Katana>often used keys
23:53<Kyhwana>wow, talk about bumping an old thread
23:53<Katana>Kyhwana: observe the pro in action
23:54<Katana>that', eight years old?
23:54<Kyhwana>8 years, geez
23:54<Katana>i mean, it's obviously old by the topic id
23:54<Katana>but holy crap
23:54<pharaun>deep dark necro is old
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23:55*Katana wonders what else they necro"bump"
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