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00:02<Katana>EugeneKay: want me to cross-post that for you
00:03<EugeneKay>Go for it
00:03<Katana>we need a command for linbot
00:03<Katana>errr. s/E//
00:04<Katana>the command for LAZY IRC BASTARDS
00:05<Katana>like us!
00:05<Katana>EugeneKay: done btw
00:06<EugeneKay>The important bit, of course, is *how* you plot to import your arbitrarily schema'ed SQL into another arbitrary schema.
00:06<EugeneKay>Usually involving some sort of SELECT INTO crying
00:07<nviror>Randomly I'm getting this message, [php_errormsg] 'PDO::__construct(): [2002] No such file or directory (trying to connect via unix:///var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock)
00:07<Kyh_>mysqld isn't running
00:07<nviror>Is there any alternative to mysql socket connection
00:07<nviror>Its running
00:07<Katana>Tell PHP to use the right socket? checked php.ini?
00:08<Kyh_>so where has it put it's .sock file?
00:08<mbreslin>So it has come to this.
00:08<nviror>I just verified, the location is same as in my.cnf
00:08<nviror>i.e /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
00:09<Katana>modify the DSN for the PDO instance to add ";unix_socket=/path/to/socket/mysqld.sock"
00:09<Katana>the ; at the beginning is your separator between DSN arguments.
00:11<nviror>Can't we connect through localhost:port just like i did for php-fpm?
00:11<nviror>smiley shouldn't have come without space
00:12<Katana>if mysql is listening on a port.
00:14<nviror>yes its listening on 3306
00:21<Katana>what's the constructor for PDO getting then?
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00:34<linbot>New news from forums: restore in General Discussion <>
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00:59*Katana continues messing with rvm
00:59*Katana installs ruby 1.9.3, watches load average start climbing
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01:00<linuxdude>quick question
01:01<chesty>quick answer
01:01<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
01:01<linuxdude>i want to setup a postfix server
01:01<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
01:01<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
01:01<linbot>beat you
01:01<linuxdude>but i cant relay to
01:01<linuxdude>im a noob
01:02<Kyh_>Don't let your email server relay
01:02<linuxdude>how can i send mail to a gmail account?
01:02<linuxdude>from my server?
01:02<Kyh_>!library postfix
01:02<linbot>Kyh_: 1. Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on CentOS 5 - | 2. Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 3. Host Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - (1 more message)
01:03<linuxdude>ya did that
01:03<linuxdude>i can send mail to my local mailbox
01:03<linuxdude>think im missing a step
01:03<linuxdude>i get
01:03<linuxdude>Relay access denied
01:03<Kyh_>So what do your logs say/whats the error?
01:03<linuxdude>when i telnet
01:04<linuxdude>and do it by hand
01:05<linuxdude>is there a server in linode that i can relay off of?
01:06<linuxdude>or am i missing something?
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01:12<@Praefectus>we don't provide any mail relay services.
01:12<jason>your vps suppoprt DMCA sites?
01:12<@Praefectus>jason: do you plan on violating the DMCA?
01:12<linuxdude>so how do people do it?
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01:13<@Praefectus>linuxdude: they set up their own mail relays
01:13<jason>i find your vps has upload DMCA site.
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01:13<linuxdude>is that easy to do
01:13<dvgrhl>hey Praefectus, can you help me out? I can't login to Linode backend due to moving and having new IP address, send email into but no response
01:13<Katana>!abuse jason
01:13<linbot>Linode's abuse contact is , as shown in the abuse contact info for the IP address in question. shows how to look this up yourself.
01:13<@akerl>dvgrhl: I responded to your email.
01:14<@Praefectus>dvgrhl: you did get a reply
01:14<dvgrhl>nothing received
01:14<@Praefectus>dvgrhl: if you want, call in with the last 6 digits of your credit card and your account username
01:14<Katana>jason: have you tried contacting the site in question with the DMCA takedown request?
01:14<jason>I find the vps ip
01:14<dvgrhl>ok, now I am wondering why I am not getting Linode emails
01:14<Katana>jason: ...have you sent them a takedown request directly?
01:15<@Praefectus>jason: email, we dont handle abuse reports any other way
01:15<@akerl>^- Needs to be an actual DMCA notice, not just a list of IPs
01:15<Kyh_>dvgrhl: sometimes they get "stuck". Wait ~20 mins and/or check your spam folder
01:15<@Praefectus>dvgrhl: gmail randomly delays mail
01:15<dvgrhl>Kyh_: it's been more than 20 mins
01:15<dvgrhl>Praefectus: ok, I'll call in. Thanks
01:16<linuxdude>are there ubuntu packages i can install to setup my box to do mail relay?
01:16<linuxdude>just want to send user@myserver -->
01:16<linuxdude>don't want to make this complicated
01:16<@akerl>linuxdude: Why not just use google apps...
01:17<Kyh_>setting up email tends to be complicated, heh. Which is why I just use google apps
01:17<Katana>akerl: i love it when people try throwing dmca around and then they realize they have to make statements under penalty of perjury though
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01:18<Kyh_>Katana: hah, people do that all the time
01:18<Kyh_>Look at the guy who's youtube video got taken down because there were birds making noise in the background
01:18<linuxdude>so how does google apps work
01:18<linuxdude>basically i want to have cron job's mail out stuff
01:18<Katana>Kyh_: that's why counter-notices exist :)
01:18<linuxdude>do i configure postfix with google apps?
01:19<Katana>Kyh_: I wish it were legal to deny DMCA requests to those who'd falsely served X number of requests before
01:19<Kyh_>Katana: I believe he did ask for it to be reviewed, but youtube said "nope, violates copyright" or some BS
01:19<Katana>suddenly internet becomes a better place after sony/universal/etc. screw up and can't DMCA claim for a year
01:20<linuxdude>is that what you mean?
01:20<StevenK>Tweeting birds are clearly copyrighted by Disney
01:20<Katana>someone should mail disney inc. a copyright notice. strapped to a warhead. propelled by a solid rocket engine.
01:21<Kyh_>hmm, actually it wasn't even a DMCA request, it was youtubes auto scanning thing, which they have setup because of shit copyright laws, etc
01:21<Kyh_>!library google apps
01:21<linbot>Kyh_: 1. Using Google Apps for Email - | 2. Analyze Web Traffic with with Piwik - | 3. Host Instant Messaging Services with ejabberd on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) -
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01:22<Katana>ohey piwik!
01:22<Katana>hopefully that article recommends the safer version
01:23<Katana>the one without the xss that koto found
01:23<Katana>yaaay it is
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01:40<Narasimha>Dear Team
01:41<Narasimha>I have a domain withname
01:41<Narasimha>in the browser if I type it is not resolving
01:41<Narasimha>but I type
01:41<Kyh_>Narasimha: that's because it doesn't have an A/AAAA record
01:41<Narasimha>it is resolving any issue?
01:41<Narasimha>what should I add
01:42<@akerl>Narasimha: Did you add a domain zone called, or
01:42<Kyh_>You need to add an A record for
01:42<Narasimha>it is already haviung the A record
01:43<@akerl>What is the zone called?
01:43<Kyh_>Narasimha: how long ago did you add it?
01:43<Narasimha>Zone File:
01:43<Narasimha>; [255784] $TTL 86400 @ IN SOA karumanchi\ 2012022642 14400 14400 1209600 86400 @ NS @ NS @ NS @ NS @ NS @ MX 1 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM. @ MX 5 ALT1.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM. @ MX 5 ALT2.ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM. @ MX 10 ASPMX2.GOOGLEMAIL.COM. @ MX 10 ASPMX3.GOOGLEMAIL.COM. authorsinn A mail A
01:44<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
01:44<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
01:45<Kyh_>Narasimha: ... you added a record for authorsinn to So resolves.
01:45<Kyh_>But since you don't have an A record for just it doesn't resolve
01:45<Narasimha>Can you tell me what should I add to resolve both and also
01:46<Kyh_>Narasimha: and A record for
01:51<Narasimha>Dear Khy: if I give in hostname for A record, it is not showing anything
01:51<Narasimha>is that fine?
01:52<Narasimha>I am trying to create the A record
01:52<Narasimha>with host name: and IP:
01:52<Kyh_>It'll take up to 15 minutes for it to go through
01:53<Narasimha>I am confused lttle
01:54<Narasimha>can U please give some sample A records
01:54<Kyh_>You need to wait for the DNS servers to start serving it
01:54<Kyh_>"@ 10800 IN A"
01:54*Peng wonders if will now exist.
01:54<Kyh_>Perihelion: lol
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01:55<Kyh_>also fail tab completion
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01:57<dwfreed>Hmm, how to get a Linode kernel /proc/config.gz without booting it?
01:57<Kyh_>dwfreed: rescue boot?
01:57<dwfreed>Kyh_: that's still booting it
01:58<Kyh_>oh, you're being cheap eh?
01:58<Kyh_>can you move disk images to other nodes?
01:58<dwfreed>Sure, clone and then delete
01:59<Kyh_>There you go then
01:59<dwfreed>But I don't feel like spinning up another node
01:59<dwfreed>I only have 1 at the moment
02:00<dwfreed>All I need is the configs for 3 kernels (I like to keep one of each series (3.0, 3.1, and 3.2) just in case)
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02:04<Jaffa>My Domain is not responding...
02:05<Jaffa>but I got a nameserver updation from GoDaddy
02:05<Kyh_>how long ago did you updatre it?
02:05<Jaffa>If we try with IP it is showing the content
02:05<Kyh_> has address
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02:06<@akerl>Jaffa: That domain is not using our nameservers
02:06<sparkit>can somebody help me with my problem?
02:06<dwfreed>!ask sparkit
02:06<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
02:06<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
02:06<Kyh_>Jaffa: talk to go daddy, since you're using godaddy to host the DNS for it
02:06<sparkit>our website is returning an error
02:07<@akerl>sparkit: What do your logs say?
02:07<Kyh_>sparkit: your backend is down, you need to see whats up with that
02:08<sparkit>where can I see my log?
02:08<Jaffa>@Kyh: I contacted them
02:08<Jaffa>they are saying Linode is not able to derefence it
02:09<@akerl>Linode is not able to who what now?
02:09<Jaffa>can U please check which name server it is pointing to
02:09<@akerl>I did before. It's pointing to godaddy's nameservers
02:09<Jaffa>my IP:
02:09<Jaffa>few minutes back I got a message from Godaddy saying it is changed now
02:09<Kyh_>It's still being cached, then. Just wait a bit
02:09<@akerl>Jaffa: Likely you'll need to wait for the change to propagate, but that's on their end
02:10<Kyh_>sparkit: wherever they get stored.. usually /var/log/
02:10<sparkit>ok i'll check
02:10<Kyh_>You need to find whatever your backend/web app/database is and check its logs
02:11<Jaffa>@KyH: OK thank U
02:11<Jaffa>Great Support
02:12<sparkit>what file should i open under var/log?
02:12<dwfreed>sparkit: /var/log/nginx/error_log is the usual location, though you may have changed it in your config
02:15<sparkit>it says from var/log/nginx/error.log "2012/02/27 02:13:27 [error] 2007#0: *79 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, request: "GET /autodiscover/autodiscover.xml HTTP/1.1", host: ""
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02:16<sparkit>what's happening?
02:17<marius>That's just someone with an exchange accunt trying to read the autodiscover file on the domain
02:17<Kyh_>hmm, /var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml doesn't exist, as it says.. Or your fileserver can't access it
02:17<marius>If it did exist on your linode I would be very confused as it's generated by Microsoft's Exchange software
02:18<Kyh_>sparkit: what other errors are there?
02:18<marius>Pastebin the last 10 or so lines for us
02:18<sparkit>i'll check again var/log/nginx/error.log
02:19<marius>Check yoru virtual host as well, maybe you've defined another location for that particulare site to store it's logs?
02:20<marius>I am really horrible at spelling >_<
02:21<sparkit>what is this? 2012/02/27 02:18:42 [error] 2007#0: *83 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, request: "GET /autodiscover/autodiscover.xml HTTP/1.1", host: ""
02:23<sparkit>can somebody help?
02:23<@akerl>sparkit: Pastebin the whole log?
02:24<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
02:25<marius>(And I already explained the autodiscover)
02:25<marius>Why you would point your autodiscover. subdomain to your linux server is beyond me though ;)
02:30<sparkit>I can't pastebin. my username password does not work. ill try to use ie
02:31<retro|blah>Read the actual text of the dialog box, please.
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02:31<dcraig>pastebin would probably work better if it wasn't running on a Linode 300...
02:32<@Praefectus>dunno, but ima get some on the way home
02:32<@Praefectus>along with strawberries and orange juice
02:33*ajmitch imagines Praefectus cooking up a small flightless bird
02:33<dcraig>I'm excited about the new widescreen pastebin
02:33<@Praefectus>ajmitch: kiwi, strawberries, and OJ in a blender with some ice!
02:33<ajmitch>poor little kiwi
02:33<sparkit>pastebin not working. not accepting username and passwrod
02:33<dcraig>lines don't wrap at 40 characters or whatever the old one used to do
02:33<@Praefectus>delicious little kiti
02:33<@Praefectus>kiwi, too
02:34<@akerl>sparkit: What does the text say on the authentication box?
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02:34<sparkit>This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. I put my correct Linode account
02:34<ajmitch>Praefectus: they're endangered, you know, so putting one in a blender won't be a good idea :)
02:34*dcraig tickles sparkit around a bit with a large skipping goby
02:35<@Praefectus>sparkit: read the login dialog box please
02:35<@akerl>sparkit: The text right above where you're typing your username and password
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02:36<sparkit>The server p, at READ ME:user/pass is no/spam require a username and password
02:36<@akerl>^- do that
02:37<sparkit>it does not accept my username and passwrod
02:37<@Praefectus>READ ME:user/pass is no/spam <read again please
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02:42<marcelo>Is there anyone here how to fix 502 Bad Gateway
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02:43<@akerl>Guest4186: What do your logs say?
02:43<dwfreed>socat + bash ♥
02:45<Guest4186>2012/02/27 02:18:42 [error] 2007#0: *83 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, request: "GET /autodiscover/autodiscover.xml HTTP/1.1", host: ""
02:45<Guest4186>thats the log file
02:46<@akerl>Guest4186: That's the only thing in the entire log file?
02:46<@akerl>Pastebin the log?
02:46*ajmitch gets a sense of deja vu
02:47<Guest4186>most of the log message are the same
02:47<Guest4186>2012/02/27 02:17:39 [error] 2007#0: *83 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, request: "GET /autodiscover/autodiscover.xml HTTP/1.1", host: "" 2012/02/27 02:17:54 [error] 2007#0: *83 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, reques
02:47<Kyh_>thats not the problem
02:47<Guest4186>anyone knows how to fix it?
02:48<@akerl>Guest4186: Pastebin the log?
02:48<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
02:49<marius>And for the love of god, point your autodiscover. subdomain at your excahgne server (this should always be a CNAME record to your exchange server for adress books to work)
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02:57<TeddyR>guest4186: also, wildcards are bad... can cause things like autodiscover and mxs to not work correctly...
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03:01<gior>Hi there, guys. i've just started using linode. Tell me please. Can I install two systems on my linode ? For example could I allocate 10gb to a one system snf the rest to the other ?
03:01<Kyh_>gior: yes
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03:01<Kyh_>but obviously you can only have one running at once
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03:04<gior>uh, that makes the second system not so uefull as it could be
03:04<Kyh_>gior: ...
03:05<Kyh_>If you want more than one running at a time, buy more linodes
03:05<gior>but will I get another IP address for the second system ?
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03:05<Kyh_>If you buy a 2nd one, yes. If it's the same linode and you're switching between them, no. You get the same IP
03:05<@Praefectus>the only way you can run multiple systems at the same time is to purchase multiple linodes
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03:05<Kyh_>Think of it as booting your normal PC. You can't run windows AND linux at the same time
03:05<gior>I see. Thanks !
03:07*dwfreed waits for somebody to argue semantics there
03:07<gior>see you
03:07*Kyh_ baps dwfreed "shush
03:08<TeddyR>q: with 2 linode 512s on the same datacenter, is it possible to assign 30g to one and 10g to the other? I realize that the bandwidth quota is already pooled... wondering if the disk space is also "pooled"...
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03:10<dwfreed>TeddyR: your disk images are stored on the host your linode runs on; this has the benefit of increasing disk performance with the side effect that you can't give part of your disk allocation for one node to another node (since they're almost always on different hosts)
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03:11<@Praefectus>dwfreed: it's not possible even if they're on the same host, so a simple "no
03:12<TeddyR>ok.. had to ask... :-)
03:12<dwfreed>Praefectus: I know
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03:13<@Praefectus>dwfreed: then that answers the question how exactky?
03:13<@Praefectus>exactly, too
03:14<hawk>I suppose it explains the most probable reason why it is the way it is
03:14<dwfreed>Praefectus: it provides an explanation for why it's not possible; interested customers like to hear it, and uninterested ones can route it to /dev/null
03:15<@Praefectus>dwfreed: but you didnt answer the actual question which required a yes/no
03:15<dwfreed>"you can't give part of your disk allocation for one node to another node" does not answer the question?
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03:26<dwfreed>wow, that was dumb
03:26<dwfreed>I just overwrote my 3.0 config and kernel image with my 3.1 one
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03:37<Spridan>how can I upgrade php to latest version on my vps?
03:37<Kyh_>Use your package manager
03:38<@Praefectus>Spridan: how did you install php?
03:38<hawk>Spridan: By "latest version"... you mean latest upstream or latest provided by your distro?
03:39<@akerl>You could deploy arch? :)
03:39<dwfreed>!arch :P
03:39<hawk>Spridan: And which of the two alternatives does that fit?
03:40<Spridan>latest provided by my distro
03:40<hawk>Ok, what Kyh_ said, then
03:40<Kyh_>Spridan: so use your distro package manager
03:41<Spridan>what is commant for that?
03:41<hawk>Which distro is it?
03:41<Spridan>apt-get install ?
03:41<Kyh_>Spridan: whatever it is for your distro, we don't know, you haven't told us
03:41<retro|blah>Probably apt-get upgrade
03:41<Spridan>its ubuntu 10.04 LTS
03:42<@akerl>Um... ubuntu 10.04 doesn't look to have 5.3.8 in the repos...
03:42<hawk>apt-get update + apt-get upgrade should do the trick, assuming you have the things installed
03:43<Spridan>ok I guess distro doesnt provide 5.3.8
03:43<Spridan>its ok for me, just wanted to know whats correct procedure
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03:48<dude9939>I seem to be having some sort of continuing issue with someone or something dropping a backdoor script in /tmp/.x/update and attaching a cron job assigned to apache.. what would be the best way to track down where this is coming from?
03:48<dude9939>it seems to be an ircd bot that connects to an outside irc server.
03:49<Kyh_>Figure out what you have that's vulnerable.. then blow away your linode after backing it up and install from scratch, making sure all your stuff is secure
03:49<@akerl>dude9939: Have you powered down your Linode yet?
03:49<dude9939>i just restarted.. due to this script hanging the server.
03:49<dude9939>seems to last about 48 hours before it comes back.
03:49<@akerl>Yea, step 1 is power it down.
03:49<@akerl>Do that
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03:49<dude9939>how can i log into it with it powered down?
03:50<linbot>Finnix --
03:50<@akerl>^- That's step 2
03:50<dude9939>step 3?
03:50<@akerl>From there, step 3 is either (Figure out what happened, then back up and redeploy) or (back up and redeploy)
03:51<hawk>Isn't it a bit late to back up at that stage?
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03:51<@akerl>hawk: Yes, but it's still possible to get important data and sanitize it
03:55<hawk>With that in mind I would say step 3+ is preferrably: figure out what happened, back up, redeploy, make sure it's in an offline state, restore from pre-compromise backups, very carefully cherry-pick anything necessary from the backups of your compromised data and after all that, bring your services back online.
03:56<@akerl>hawk: With bonus points for using the knowledge gained from "figure out what happened" to ensure it doesn't happen again
03:56<hawk>(Of course also fixing the actual problem before bringing it online)
03:57<hawk>Yeah, I realized I didn't spell that out
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03:59<auraka>it is early....
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04:00<@akerl>Bah. It's almost 5pm, and then it's party time
04:00<@akerl>Friday night woo!
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04:01<dude9939>do you guys know how I can track down what installed a cron job?
04:01<auraka>akerl: f...u...
04:02<dwfreed>akerl: I take it you have monday nights off?
04:02<Kyh_>dude9939: nope, if you're rooted kitted you probably won't be able to find exactly what it was
04:02<Kyh_>It's possible, I guess, if you're good at forensics, etc
04:02<@akerl>dwfreed: yessir
04:03<dwfreed>akerl: mind looking something up for me real quick? I've got a pending referral, and I swear I referred them before December, but I can't recall; I just want to know the referral date
04:03<hawk>dude9939, Kyh_: The problem if the hole is not found and plugged is of course that then it's not unlikely it will happen again.
04:04<Kyh_>hawk: yep
04:04<@ericoc>dwfreed: ticket!
04:04<dwfreed>ericoc: be sure to drop in akerl's lap :)
04:04<Musfuut>dwfreed: I have one also, I swear it is 5 months old now
04:04<dwfreed>Musfuut: heh
04:05<Musfuut>Thing is, I don't remember referring anyone
04:06<dwfreed>akerl: 824194 :)
04:07<dwfreed>Praefectus: that was meant for akerl :(
04:08<auraka>i was suppose to wake up at 4 am...but nooo body decided 2:30 am was good
04:08<dwfreed>Praefectus: and what, you changed your mind about your first answer?
04:08<auraka>I am not going to be in good spirits at work today
04:08<@Praefectus>i tend to change my mind a lot
04:09<auraka>Praefectus: woman right?
04:09<@Praefectus>auraka: ask urmom, dawg
04:10<dwfreed>auraka: the only woman I know that works for linode is Perihelion :)
04:10<auraka>ahh...I always get the two mixed up
04:12<@Praefectus>auraka: i was just giving him the "nice" answer
04:13<praetorian>Praefectus has the nicest breasts.
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04:15<praetorian>nice try.
04:18<praetorian>is there a listing of when you did get the referral?
04:19<hawk>I bet someone is/was getting a bunch of referrals from that, though
04:20<hawk>Or is it a trap? We must consult admiral ackbar!
04:21<ajmitch>what a deal, I should sign up for that
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04:59<auraka>Peng: don't use that sort of language in here
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05:08<jianingy_>how can i request an ipv6 pool ? should i open a ticket for that?
05:08<retro|blah>jianingy_: Yes.
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05:08<jianingy_>and thanks
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05:16<sparkit>hello. my problem has not been resolved. the error pops out suddenly with this message "502 Bad Gateway" and the error under /var/log/nginx/error.log "2012/02/27 03:44:42 [error] 2007#0: *218 open() "/var/www/nginx-default/autodiscover/autodiscover.xml" failed (2: No such file or directory), client:, server: localhost, request: "POST /autodiscover/autodiscover.xml HTTP/1.1", host: ""
05:16<Kyh_>That's the same error as before
05:16<Kyh_>Which probably isn't related as to why your site is still down
05:16<@akerl>sparkit: Pastebin the full log?
05:16<sparkit>ok. i'll do now? what's that pastebin for btw?
05:17<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
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05:17<@akerl>So I can see your logs
05:17<sparkit>syntax highlighting?
05:18<@akerl>... not really relevant. I'm mostly concerned with the text, not the color
05:19<sparkit>in the pastebin there is syntax highting drop down. what should i choose? i will ignore it
05:21<sparkit>it's asking A username and password are being requested by The site says: "READ ME: user/pass is no/spam"
05:21<Kyh_>for the love of..
05:21<Kyh_>That means it's bedtime *zz*
05:21<@akerl>sparkit: Read the message?
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05:23<@Praefectus>sparkit: read the "READ ME" part
05:24<sparkit>sorry but I can't find the READ ME
05:24<@Praefectus>The site says: "READ ME: user/pass is no/spam"
05:24<sparkit>it's a prompt
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05:24<sparkit>what should I put to username and password?
05:24<@Praefectus>The site says: "READ ME: user/pass is no/spam"
05:25<sparkit>READ ME: user/pass is no/spam. What should i write under username and password?
05:26<Hobbsee>sparkit:, and spam...
05:26<Hobbsee>surely that's obvious
05:26<sparkit>i tried that already. let me try again
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05:27<sparkit>don't make this hard for me. tell me what to put. username? password? i tried u: user p: spam
05:28<@Praefectus>user is NO
05:28<sparkit>ok done
05:28<@Praefectus>pass is SPAM
05:28<Hobbsee>there we go
05:28<sparkit>did you see?
05:28<Hobbsee>now you'll have to give us the link...
05:28<ajmitch>Hobbsee: hi
05:29<Hobbsee>ajmitch: hey! :)
05:29<sparkit>link to what?
05:29<sparkit>our website?
05:29<@akerl>2012/02/27 03:43:58 [error] 2007#0: *213 connect() failed (111: Connection refused) while connecting to upstream, client:, server:, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "", host: ""
05:29<@akerl>What's running on port 81?
05:29<@akerl>Or, more specifically, what is not running?
05:30<ajmitch>Hobbsee: haven't seen you round for awhile :)
05:30<sparkit>what's the problem? the website is
05:30<Hobbsee>ajmitch: i hide well
05:30<@akerl>sparkit: Yes, and it's failing to connect to your upstream on port 81
05:30<@akerl>What should be listening on port
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05:32<sparkit>i don't know who did that, but the website is running yesterday. what should be the port?
05:32<@akerl>sparkit: Did you set this server up?
05:33<@akerl>Talk to whoever did.
05:33<@akerl>Ask them what should be running on port 81, and tell them to figure out why it's not
05:33<sparkit>so the default port is
05:34<sparkit>someone changed the port number?
05:35<sparkit>the website is basically in the var/www/src
05:36<sparkit>why this happen?
05:37<@akerl>sparkit: Whatever is supposed to be listening on is not listening correctly
05:37<@akerl>You need to find out why and fix it.
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05:39<sparkit>you know how to fix it?
05:40<sparkit>i don't know this stuff that's why i came here
05:40<Peng>We have insufficient information to say whether we can fix it or not.
05:40<dominikh>there's no magical "Just do this" answer. Ask the people who are responsible for it.
05:41<@akerl>sparkit: To start, you need to find out what's wrong with it
05:41<sparkit>any idea how? is it not cleaning the cache?
05:42<@akerl>sparkit: Your flux capacitor may have shorted out
05:42<sparkit>what's that?
05:42<@Praefectus>replacing a flux capacitor is EXPENSIVE
05:43<sparkit>what's that flux capacitator?
05:43<@akerl>sparkit: We're mostly kidding. What is supposed to be running on
05:43<@akerl>What have you configured to run on 81?
05:44<sparkit>where can i see that port 81? it should point to var/www/spark/src that's it
05:45<sparkit>i did not do anything, not even touching it
05:45<@akerl>sparkit: I think now is a good time to call the person who set up your system
05:45<sparkit>where can i see that port and where it's pointing to?
05:46<sparkit>basically the domain is from godaddy
05:46<sparkit>and host is linode
05:46<Hobbsee>the port is inside your computer. You'll have to look inside the computer to see the port.
05:46<Hobbsee>it could be green
05:46<Hobbsee>more likely blue though
05:46<@akerl>sparkit: Something *inside* your Linode is configured to listen on port 81, but it has failed for some reason
05:47<@akerl>You need to tell us what is supposed to be there.
05:47<sparkit>where can see that? where can i see that .conf?
05:48<@akerl>sparkit: Your entire system. Probably somewhere in /etc
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05:49<sparkit>omg. where in etc? i don't know this stuff
05:49<dominikh>which is why you have been repeatedly told to contact the person who set it up.
05:49<@akerl>sparkit: We don't have access to your system, so we have no idea what you were running
05:49<@akerl>There isn't a single "everything.conf" you can open
05:50<Peng>akerl: I've heard Ubuntu 13.04 is going to add one, though.
05:51<dominikh>wouldn't even surprise me
05:51<sparkit>is this something responsible from the hosting side?
05:51<Peng>(* I was joking.)
05:51<@akerl>sparkit: Nope, this is internal to your Linode
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05:51<Jaffa>I am sorry for pinging many times
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05:52<sparkit>what do you mean internal. the person who's responsible for setting up the website?
05:52<Jaffa>my site: is not pointing to my Linode
05:52<Jaffa>I configured in Godaddy, can someone help me?
05:52<@akerl>Jaffa: Still pointed at godaddy's nameservers, not ours
05:52<Jaffa>can you check now?
05:52<@akerl>I just did
05:53<Jaffa>How long it would take?
05:53<Jaffa>I should done 4 hours right?
05:53<Jaffa>can you try:
05:53<@akerl>No idea. It's godaddy's system
05:53<Jaffa>instead of
05:54<marius>jaffa cakes
05:54<marius>delicious cookies with orange gelatin :D
05:54<sparkit>what is happening in my server? we did not do anything suddenly this bad gateway came up
05:54<@akerl>Jaffa: I just tried both with and with www from multiple diverse geographic locations, and all return GoDaddy's nameservers
05:54<dominikh>marius: they taste horrible.
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05:54<marius>they are glorious
05:54<@akerl>sparkit: Whatever you were running on is no longer responding properly, and you'll need to find out why and fix it
05:55<marius>I would LOVE a site dedicated to their news
05:55<Peng> 172800 IN NS
05:55<Peng>^ so says
05:55<Jaffa>It is not a Jaffa international...
05:55<Jaffa>it is a comedy site for local people of one state in India
05:55<marius>awww, I would much rather read news about cookies =(
05:57<Peng>I'd much rather read a website where Stargate SG-1 soldiers review cooies.
05:57<sparkit>Whatever you were running on is no longer responding properly, and you'll need to find out why and fix it. dont know how to start
05:57<dominikh>Peng: and I thought I was the only one thinking of SG-1 right now
05:57<Peng>I hit the k key, but not hard enough. :(
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05:58<Peng>sparkit: Start by asking the person who does know.
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06:02<marius>why the F does run on joomla?
06:02<sparkit>i'll ask him what is running on port 81?
06:02<Peng>marius: Oh geez. I read that as "". Peng needs sleep.
06:02<marius>You heard runs on joomla :|
06:03<marius>Joomla 1.5 at that
06:03<marius>they should update, LTS is abotu to expire on 1.5
06:03<marius>(and 1.5 is notoriously well known for all the security holes)
06:03<sparkit>akerl, i'll ask him what is running on port 81?
06:03<Peng>sparkit: Yes.
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06:03<Peng>sparkit: And then tell him to fix it.
06:09<vodka>ooh, has a new look
06:10<marius>It's still joomla >_>
06:10<vodka>(where "new" means "last time I looked, which was about 4 years ago, they still had that ugly red thing going on")
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06:15<@Praefectus>marius: i thought you loved the jooooomla
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06:19*marius growls
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06:19<dominikh>a joomla once loved marius without his consent
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06:29<marius>I'll give you joomla *rages*
06:29<marius>Their versioning makes no sense
06:29<marius>1.6, 1.7, hey loo kat that 2.5.1!
06:30<marius>1.7 lasted for about a month before thye jumped to 2.5.0, then 2 days for 2.5.1 because of critical security holes
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07:18<Werelds>Is there a problem with the billing gateway? It seems to have charged 3 times, but no new Linode appearing :/
07:22<@akerl>Werelds: Toss us a ticket?
07:22<Werelds>Yeah was just about to
07:23<Werelds>Using a client's login though so it's a bit awkward.
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07:33<praetorian>!passticket akerl
07:33*linbot passes akerl a ticket
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08:33<linbot>New news from forums: SFTP access? in General Discussion <>
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08:42<ikke>Anyone having problems in fremont118?
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08:43<Peng>Even if other people are, they may not be here right now.
08:43<Peng>If fremont118 has suffered some sort of failure, you probably have a ticket open.
08:43<ikke>Peng already did
08:44<ikke>one of my linodes just got corrupted
08:44<@akerl>it turned evil?
08:44<ikke>akerl yeah :(
08:44<ikke>akerl unable to mount filesystem
08:45<@akerl>ikke: have you done anything of note recently (since last time you rebooted)? major updates, changed configurations, etc?
08:45<ikke>akerl nop
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08:45<@akerl>I'd say to reboot into Rescue Mode and run a filesystem check
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08:45<@akerl>If that returns without errors, mount it in Rescue Mode and take a look around, see if things look to be in order
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08:48<ikkebr>akerl not even df seems to work
08:49<@akerl>ikkebr: I'd suggest rebooting into Rescue Mode and trying that fsck
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08:51<ikkebr>akerl may I pm you?
08:51<ikkebr>disclosing ticket information?
08:51<praetorian>or pass him the ticket!
08:51<praetorian>!pasticket akerl
08:52<praetorian>!passticket laker
08:52*linbot passes laker a ticket
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09:04<chan>why my account comingzoo it still pending activation ??
09:04<chan>what can i do now?
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09:05<squircle>chan: wait, or maybe ping one of the ops here.
09:05<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
09:06<Peng>chan: Got any email?
09:06<praetorian>usually if its still waiting activation, is they need to verify something. they will usually contact you very shortly after it
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09:13<Narasimha>Dear Team, this is again regarding I got an update from godaddy and they are saying it is Linode's issue
09:13<marius>What is linodes issue ?
09:13<squircle>Narasimha: can you describe the entire issue for those of us who don't remember?
09:13<marius>Also, why are you using godaddy, they are notorious for being horrible
09:13<marius>They also support SOPA and PIPA
09:13<dominikh>yeah, that's classy, shifting blame even though it clearly is their issue :D
09:14<squircle>Narasimha: if it's that you can't get DNS to work, the nameservers for that domain are set to GoDaddy's. you need to set them to
09:14<Narasimha> is not pointing to correct node
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09:14<Narasimha>I already did that
09:14<squircle>Narasimha: how long ago?
09:14<marius> points to and is being delegated by
09:14<dominikh> isn't pointing at Linode at all, the nameserver is still using godaddy's
09:14<Narasimha>and in the DNS manager, it is showing \Linodes servers only
09:14<squircle>Narasimha: how long ago?
09:15<marius>Narasimha, it'll show what yo uset the mto, but the change may now have propogated yet
09:15<Narasimha>This is the update I got
09:15<marius>A nameserver change can take as long as 48 hours
09:15<Narasimha>Dear Narasimha, Thank you for contacting Online Support. I see the nameserver settings for JAFFFANEWS.COM, which is not working when doing an external lookup on the DNS. Upon reviewing your domain's DNS settings it appears to be hosted through another provider. You will want to contact your current hosting provider or nameserver administrator regarding any issues with your hosting account, DNS or website. Please let us know if we can assist you in an
09:15<squircle>Narasimha: one more time, how long ago did you make this change?
09:15<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
09:15<dominikh>Narasimha: that's a bloody default block answer. They're not even trying.
09:15<Narasimha>it is almost 2 days with 4 linodes server
09:16<Narasimha>and around 8 hours back I added 5th server also
09:16<dominikh>and as everybody here can confirm: the domain records do not point to or make use of Linode at all.
09:16<squircle>!dig NS
09:16<linbot>squircle: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 3600 IN NS | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
09:16<marius>Then godaddy is doing something funky to nameservers, because the yare still in control
09:16<squircle>that should say linode ^^
09:16<marius>Allow me to type you up a quick reply
09:17<marius>"I have changed my nameservers but your services have not yet updated these as you should. It has been over 48 horus since I initially changed the nameservers but they are still pointing to your services. Please solve your technical difficulties immediately or I will transfer my domain to anmecheap along with the others!"
09:18<marius>I do beleive namecheap still ahs their "move away form godaddy" promo :P
09:18<marius>and I cna't spell >-<
09:18<squircle>they do as of yesterday
09:19<Narasimha>I sent a reply
09:19<Narasimha>I am sorry for troubling you
09:19<squircle>we're here to help!
09:19<marius>No worries
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09:30<staticsafe>perhaps the wrong place to ask, but anyone got promo codes for Dynadot? :)
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09:39<marius> ?
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09:55<auraka>staticsafe: coupon BEMINE
09:55<auraka>will give you $7.99 .coms
09:55<staticsafe>ty auraka
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09:56<auraka>FEBLOVE will give you %10 off .org
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09:56<auraka>good until 2/29
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09:59<staticsafe>auraka: lol i just transferred one of my domains
09:59<staticsafe>now to play the waiting game
10:00<auraka>staticsafe: from godaddy to dynadot should take less than an hour
10:00<staticsafe>there should be no downtime either since im not using GoDaddy's NS
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10:41<linbot>New news from forums: How-to run the stock Arch Linux kernel (3.x) on Linode in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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10:52*Gladiator waves
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10:53*CaptObviousman challenges Gladiator to a thumb war
10:54*Gladiator wins
10:54*CaptObviousman Drago vill crush you
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11:28<argon>Is there someone I can speak to about a problem I've had with signing up?
11:29<@Perihelion>Sure, what's up?
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11:31<LinodeJavaUser>ack, connection dropped
11:32<LinodeJavaUser>I tried signing up earlier, got to the second step, agreed to the T&C's then after clicking continue it waited a few seconds before taking me back to the first page with all my details still in the form but no errors
11:32<LinodeJavaUser>I noticed that my credit card number was incomplete so I filled it in and tried again but the same thing happened
11:32<@Perihelion>Hmm, do you know what time that was?
11:32<LinodeJavaUser>Then after a few minutes I received 2 invoices but no account details
11:32<LinodeJavaUser>around midday GMT
11:32<@Perihelion>Can you PM me the last 6 digits of the CC used as well as the name you signed up with?
11:33<@Perihelion>I'll take a look
11:34<LinodeJavaUser>How do I PM you in the Java client? I haven't used this before
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11:34<mwalling>should be able to /msg Perihelion
11:34<@Perihelion>Try /msg Perihelion hi
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11:55<orville>i've got a piwik question for anyone here who uses it.
11:55<orville>the graphs seems to be using the wrong range
11:55<orville>but everything else seems to work fine. what gives?
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12:30<CaptObviousman>hmm, what's a good way to track how much bandwidth individual sites are using?
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12:34<EugeneKay>Some sort of log grepping package
12:34<EugeneKay>You can make it easier on yourself by specifying a LogFile per-VirtualHost
12:35<CaptObviousman>I see a rate limiter built into lighty
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12:40<ogp>I -- what are the benefits on linode over AWS?
12:41<HedgeMage>ogp: static IPs, more control, etc etc.
12:41<@irgeek>Everything is included.
12:41<ogp> loss on reboot?
12:41<ogp>do u also have disc space?
12:41<@irgeek>Linodes are persistent.
12:42<HedgeMage>ogp: as much as you buy :)
12:42<@irgeek>The smaller plans are listed there. Larger ones on the signup page.
12:42<@irgeek>All plans include RAM, disk & transfer.
12:43<ogp>so It's like AWS in that it has cloud files which is similar to S3, but u don't do in memory VPS, we get actual disk space so we can reboot without losing data.
12:43<ogp>is this correct?
12:43<@irgeek>Transfer is pooled across your Linodes. If you have backend Linodes that don't do much transfer to the Internet, the frontends can use their extra transfer.
12:44<CaptObviousman>now that's neat, I didn't know that
12:44<@irgeek>Uh... that's not quite right. We don't have a service like S3.
12:44<CaptObviousman>but no reason why you can't use s3 from your linode
12:45<CaptObviousman>it's how I do backups
12:45<HedgeMage>glad you guys chimed in, I totally misread that bit
12:45<ogp>soo? im confused , u said yes and then no.
12:45<HedgeMage>ogp: I misread your question, I thought you said *instead of cloud files* not like them.
12:46<ogp>Ok so what's the difference and why is it better?
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12:46<@irgeek>ogp: A Linode is analogous to a dedicated server. It has RAM, it has disks and it has a network connections.
12:46<HedgeMage>ogp: Having a Linode VPS is a lot like just having a regular server (nothing like cloud services) -- you control everything installed on it, you use your disk how you like, etc.
12:46<rnowak>I don't appreciate you telling such lies, it is a cloud, not a server ok
12:46<HedgeMage>ogp: it's just less expensive than dedicated and the linodians worry about hardware, etc.
12:46<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
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12:47<ogp>Ok, why do people choose cloud over VPS then?
12:47<HedgeMage>ogp: stupidity ;)
12:47<ogp>no i mean iseriously. im sold..
12:47<rnowak>ogp: cloud is a marketing term
12:47<ogp>so dont worry abt it
12:47<@irgeek>ogp: Cloud is a marketing term.
12:47<@irgeek>rnowak: ^5
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12:48<ogp>What's the difference between AWS and Linode, then i shld ask :)
12:48<@irgeek>They're more expensive and less personal.
12:48<ogp>lolz but service wise, no difference...scalability?
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12:49<rnowak>they also have a few oddities with local vs ebs storage
12:49<ogp>i mean lots of people choose AWS cause they think its better when a site scales.
12:49<ogp>vs. VPS
12:49<@irgeek>ogp: You can add and remove Linodes at any time. And upgrade/downgrade them.
12:49<rnowak>it isn't - AWS provides VPSs with surrounding infrastructure for certain things, just like linode does
12:50<rnowak>it is quite funny, actually (:
12:50<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
12:50<@irgeek>And when they crash, they start over from zero.
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12:51<rnowak>that works great for compute nodes, but for anything else... pita.
12:51<ogp>ok,,,,so isnt Linode also just 'marketing" term. lolz
12:51<ogp>just like "cloud"
12:51<rnowak>Linode is the company name?
12:51<@irgeek>No, that would be a proper name.
12:52<ogp>ok is it true most asian co. 's are using linode?
12:52<ogp>Is it true?
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12:52<@akerl>ogp: Most cool people use Linode
12:53<rnowak>92.71% of the statistics confirm.
12:53<ogp>lolz. fine. I do know I'm on the "LINODE" forum
12:53<TheFirst>i'd be willing to bet most asian companies don't even have internet presense (if you include small business)
12:53<@Perihelion>SpaceHobo: What was that creepy elmo cloud clip you had?
12:53<@akerl>TheFirst: What is a presense?
12:53<ogp>Ok. so what's the best package for a smaller size.
12:53<TheFirst>akerl: me fucking up spelling
12:54<mwalling>ogp: the smallest
12:54<@akerl>ogp: Start with a 512. You can resize at will if you decide to
12:54<EugeneKay>Linde, LLC is an American company. They offer a VPS service known as Linode, which is sold in units of "a Linode" that are measured/billed by their RAM size.
12:54<TheFirst>akerl: fluent in many languages ... never claimed english was one of them :P
12:54<ogp>whats the cost for 512?
12:55<TheFirst>ogp: uh, it's on the websiet?
12:55<@Perihelion>SpaceHobo: I can't :<
12:55<@Perihelion>Forgot my password
12:55<linbot>I don't often mention this, but Smart Phones (chesty owns one) are morally superior to Nokia 1100s (only pædos use them) and anyone who cares about privacy or security is a nutcase and we should all just upload backscatter scans of our bodies to Facebook™!
12:55<ogp>do u have 300 MB?
12:55<@akerl>Perihelion: You have auth'd to add commands?
12:55<@Perihelion>I used to
12:55<mwalling>ogp: they did, in 2008
12:55<mwalling>ogp: it cost 19.95 back then
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12:56<@akerl>mwalling: That was back when dinosaurs walked the earth, right?
12:56<@akerl>before the last ice age
12:56<mwalling>akerl: urmom was there
12:56<mwalling>ogp: because linode is awesome, that 300 has grown to 512
12:56<TheFirst>akerl: then what are the times of the 64?
12:56<ogp>yeah we are on dreamhost now (don't yell!)
12:56*HedgeMage shudders
12:57<ogp>doing 300mb at $15
12:57<TheFirst>but I like yelling! don't take away my yelling damnit!
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12:57<ogp>how easy is it to move from DH to cool Linode?
12:57<@akerl>ogp: Exactly *this* easy
12:57<@irgeek>Actually, looks like we haven't had a Linode 300 since 2007.
12:57<HedgeMage>ogp: That depends a lot on how much you know about Linux administration.
12:58<ogp>DH has been down 3 days, did u guys know?
12:58<mwalling>irgeek: oh, thats right
12:58<HedgeMage>ogp: I find that kind of move (I've done it for clients in the past) extremely painless, except for jabber/xmpp migration, but I've been administering Linux since 1994. If you are a newbie, expect a learning curve.
12:58<@irgeek>And we haven't had a Linode 64 since 2005.
12:58<mwalling>irgeek: i got that linode in december 2007
12:58<ogp>hmm..we are on wordpress.
12:59<@akerl>!library wordpress
12:59<linbot>akerl: 1. Manage Web Content with WordPress - | 2. Standalone MySQL Server - | 3. Rewrite URLs with mod_rewrite and Apache -
12:59<ogp>any issues/consideration?
12:59<HedgeMage>ogp: nah, it's pretty simple to move WP sites
12:59<ogp>Is there a guide on how to move from DH to Linode?
12:59<ogp>DH has been down 3 days, it's insanity.
12:59<HedgeMage>that is insane
12:59<ogp>Can't rely on them at all.
12:59<ogp>Yeah only the VPS clients.
13:00<HedgeMage>They are BPH...what do you expect?
13:01<ogp>Ok i need some doc on how to move from DH VPS to awesome Linode VPS 512!
13:01<HedgeMage>Bullet Proof Hosting -- that is, they aren't suitably aggressive in terminating the accounts of spammers, child pornographers, malware sources, etc.
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13:02<ogp>BPH sounds like a good thing to say tho...Bullet proof.
13:02<ogp>docs pls!
13:02<HedgeMage>ogp: Not if I'm the one trying to "shoot" them ;) (I'm a former blocklist op)
13:03<ogp>OK I'm moving to LINODE!
13:03<ogp>NOW NOW
13:03<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
13:03<ogp>who is thi?
13:03<ogp>why are u leaving?
13:03<Nivex>Linode IS the cloud!
13:03<HedgeMage>ogp: If the linode docs don't have anything for you, you can check out -- they have great beginner LAMP docs -- and then I can talk you through some of the DH -> Linode specifics
13:03<@akerl>ogp: There isn't a specific "DreamHost to Linode" guide. Our distributions are minimal server installs, you configure them like any Linux system, full root access and such
13:04<HedgeMage>ogp: linbot is the bot -- a program that makes smartass remarks and occasionally says useful things
13:04<ogp>Yes I bet, but I'm not a fancy tech wiz like u all.
13:04<ogp>so I need help if u want me to move and be cool like u all
13:04<HedgeMage>ogp: We're very helpful, don't worry
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13:05<HedgeMage>ogp: pick debian as your distro -- it's solid and easy to learn on.
13:05<HedgeMage>ogp: I'll grab links to good lamp and email tutorials, hold on
13:05*akerl grabs is Arch flag
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13:05*mwalling burns it
13:05<@akerl>pacman -Syu water
13:05*rnowak pours extra petrol on it and sees it flame apart
13:05<ogp>u guys are coo.
13:05*rnowak highfives mwalling
13:06<Wolfy>Hey, are all Linodes hosted using "Xen PV"?
13:06<ogp>Ok, I need like step by step. I mean, like a 5 year olds iinstruction manual.
13:06<@akerl>rnowak: I live in America. We don't have "petrol" here
13:06<squircle>Wolfy: they're all xen
13:06<rnowak>akerl: pff
13:06<@irgeek>It's xen all the way down.
13:07<ogp>have you guys ever had bad outages?
13:07<Wolfy>I was thinking "Xen PV" compared to "Xen HVM"
13:07<mwalling>ogp: almost all of the outages were confined to a single datacenter at worst, and there are 6 data centers to choose from
13:07<rnowak>it makes little difference to operating systems that like being paravirtualized and are told about it
13:08<squircle>Wolfy: it's all paravirt (PV) afaik
13:08<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
13:08<@akerl>I tried to tell linbot that he was virtualized. He didn't like it
13:08<HedgeMage>akerl: I like Arch, too, (if I must settle for a binary distro) but it's really not for first-timers
13:09<ogp>hw many data centers does slicehost or dh have?
13:09<@akerl>HedgeMage: Meh. The configs tend to be simpler (though you *are* expected to look at them), and the ArchWiki is <3
13:09<rnowak>hey how's its signature verification going?
13:09<rnowak> (:
13:09<@akerl>rnowak: lost privkey says wut?
13:09<mwalling>ogp: slicehost doesn't exist, they're now "rackspace"... and it doesnt matter how many, linode's better (and first, fwiw)
13:10<HedgeMage>akerl: I totally agree with you, but Arch expects you to know about your system at a depth that scares most newbs
13:10<squircle>chromium doesn't support arch
13:10<ogp>but hey are rackspace + VPS
13:10<ogp>will be*
13:10<HedgeMage>ogp: not a bad lamp tutorial for the uber-beginner:
13:11<@akerl>HedgeMage: Definitely. I'm a fan of the "eagle" method of learning. Push em of the cliff, they'll learn faster
13:11<rnowak>learning some lunix basics might be a better idea than jumping into a lamp tutorial
13:11<@akerl>squircle: Say what?
13:11<Wolfy>squircle: Okay, thanks!
13:11<TheFirst>akerl: or die, win either way
13:11<ogp>no cliff.
13:12<vodka>an excellent cliff
13:12<nviror>My mysql isn't stable and randomly doesn't connect to php, please review my settings Please have a loo
13:12<rnowak>nviror: are you using google translate?
13:12<@akerl>nviror: What do your logs say?
13:13<nviror>rnowak, no
13:13<nviror>akerl, let me see
13:13<HedgeMage>akerl: I do that with my 9yo, but most adults are too mentally rigid for it unless they started hacking young.
13:13<ogp>so linode is VPS, no cloud, yes?
13:14<@akerl>ogp: Cloud isn't a real thing
13:14<CaptObviousman>cloud is kind of high-conceptual
13:14<ogp>The disadvantage with cloud lie aws is what?
13:14<HedgeMage>akerl: Said 9yo, btw, could explain the Linux boot sequence (in ASL) before he could speak, did his first from-scratch no-help-from-mom Linux install at 6, spoke at his first tech conference at 7, and is now learning Python :) </mommybragging>
13:14<CaptObviousman>you could have cloud resources, such as a vps, delivered to you on demand
13:14<ogp>well i think u know what i mean. i mean EC2
13:14<CaptObviousman>EC2 is a good example, you say " I want a vps right naooo" and AWS says "ok, here you go, that'll be n.xy dollars"
13:14<ogp>so whats the difference between Linode VPS and EC2?
13:14*CaptObviousman has never used EC2
13:14<@akerl>HedgeMage: Nice :> Permission to brag, granted
13:15<HedgeMage>ogp: "cloud" is marketing department speak for "this thing that happens out there in the internet that I really can't explain well" -- so, it's not really a useful term in this context.
13:15<CaptObviousman>so technically, both EC2 and Linode deliver cloud services
13:15<squircle>akerl: ChanServ: [#chromium-support] Welcome to #chromium-support. Please specify operating system and, if using Linux, distribution. Arch is not supported.
13:15<squircle>akerl: *shrug*
13:15<nviror>akerl, Its balnk.
13:15<CaptObviousman>it's a Platform As A Service, or paas
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13:15<Nivex>kiss my paas
13:15*CaptObviousman facepalms
13:16<ogp>so whats the difference?
13:16<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡/(.□ . \)
13:16<ogp>and why choose VPS over EC2?
13:16<rnowak>what is this
13:17<HedgeMage>akerl: The boot sequence explanation was the best, because I had him do it just after his 3rd birthday in response to the special ed. people who tried to tell me he didn't really have a speech problem, he just had an extremely low IQ. *rolls eyes*
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13:17<@akerl>nviror: If the log is blank, you need to figure out why? is it the right file? are the permissions right? Try starting mysql and see what it says
13:17<Katana>HedgeMage: *highfive*
13:17<nz>why is linode better than ec2 for webhosting? doesnt ec2 now have persistent storage
13:17<HedgeMage>akerl: it wasn't rehearsed or anything... I just made them wait in their office while I got my laptop to demonstrate how wrong they were.
13:17<CaptObviousman>ogp: having never used EC2, I cannot answer your question
13:17*HedgeMage highfives Katana
13:17<Katana>HedgeMage: I approve of your methods. :)
13:18<CaptObviousman>I can discuss linode's quality support and service, always providing extra features to customers even before most people ask for them
13:18<CaptObviousman>giving us bumps in resources for being long time customers, etc
13:18<ogp><HedgeMage> why choose VPS over EC2?
13:18<ogp>the main reason.
13:18<HedgeMage>Katana: Thank you! I must admit they are mostly selfishly motivated. I'm not going to give up hacking or martial arts, so I social engineered the munchkin to do both. Now I don't need a babysitter :)
13:18<HedgeMage>ogp: Reliability and control.
13:18<HedgeMage>ogp: so, two reasons, but there they are :)
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13:19<PeteMall1>I'm trying to proxy all traffic to wp-admin/* from node2 to node1 (web1) so web1 is the admin master -
13:19<ogp>control why?
13:19*CaptObviousman can speak for reliability
13:19<PeteMall1>can someone spot what's wrong with it?
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13:19<@akerl>!pitfalls PeteMall1
13:19<linbot>Read the hints at to see how you can improve your nginx configuration.
13:19<@akerl>If is evil
13:19<rnowak>if is bad mkey
13:19<PeteMall1>haha… I knew that was coming
13:19<Katana>mowak: s/mkey/mkay/
13:20<ogp>Is it because -- with EC2 there is a change of losing date on reboot?
13:20<HedgeMage>ogp: I haven't used EC2, but my impression of it is that they limit what I might run, they give me less freedom in assigning IPs, etc.
13:20<CaptObviousman>anyways, time for a break, bbl
13:20<ogp>oh no static IP yes?
13:20<ogp>with EC2?
13:20<HedgeMage>ogp: as far as I know, but I haven't used it
13:20<PeteMall1>ogp: what kinda site are you running? CMS?
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13:20<rnowak>that's some batshit crazy rewrites there, why, I have no idea
13:20<@akerl>ogp: The idea of having to do complex math to discern my hosting costs always turned me off of amazon services
13:21<Katana>i'll say right now that many server admins I know just flat-out block EC2 ranges because of abuse
13:21<ogp>Yeah I also think AWS, u need to be more technocal.
13:21<HedgeMage>ogp: Also, most of the major blocklists have the EC2 IP blocks listed, because accounts shift IPs unpredictably so there's no other way to mitigate spam coming from EC2
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13:21<rnowak>you need to know what the fuck you're doing with either service
13:21<HedgeMage>lol Katana great minds think alike!
13:21<rnowak>EC2, the new tor
13:21<HedgeMage>rnowak: I think that in life, in general, one should know what the fuck one is doing.
13:22<ogp>hmm..and the coist per resource model can really build up...
13:22<rnowak>HedgeMage: most certainly, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be a premise that most people operate on
13:22<Katana>HedgeMage: we have a ton of ec2 ip blocks that are reported to stopforumspam on a regular basis >_>
13:22<ogp>so is it possible for a non-tech person to manage linode?
13:22<HedgeMage>rnowak: "should" and "does" are very different words.
13:22<HedgeMage>ogp: If you are willing to learn.
13:22<rnowak>HedgeMage: mhm
13:22<Katana>ogp: possible, but you want to learn anyways so you're not flying blind.
13:22<ogp>well we have VPS on
13:22<Katana>otherwise if things go're SOL.
13:23<Katana>It would take you a long time to recover if, say, you do a blind update of something or your system's compromised
13:23<ogp>so i knda have an idea on how this works a bit..
13:23<PeteMall1>ogp: sounds like you'll be better of going with one of the managed WordPress hosts
13:23<ogp>ike? wp-engine?
13:23<HedgeMage>ogp: Point of reference: my 9yo can do it (though I had to help him with his apache and postfix configs) -- he's literally grown up hacking (I used to code while breastfeeding), but considering that he's only been talking for 3.5 years, that does not imply a high level of difficulty to me.
13:23<PeteMall1>wp-engine runs on linode
13:24<HedgeMage>ogp: he runs Drupal, not Wordpress, though.
13:24<ogp>sooo is wp-engine a good option for a wp site?
13:24<PeteMall1>HedgeMage: he'll see the light some day
13:24<HedgeMage>PeteMall1: Drupal has its issues, but it's not nearly the pain that WP can be.
13:24<rnowak>some people need to be producers, if we all were consumers, we'd be deep in shit
13:25<HedgeMage>PeteMall1: that said, he's lately picked up my interest in static blogging tools
13:25<PeteMall1>HedgeMage: I'm a WP core dev
13:25<ogp><petemail1> wp-engine?
13:25<HedgeMage>PeteMall1: though he hasn't been convinced that hacking on blogofile (which is very immature and in need of work) is better than just installing octopress and being done with it.
13:25<HedgeMage>PeteMall1: I was, in a previous life, a Drupal core dev :) So, we're probably both biased.
13:25<Katana> <- why. god why. why would black be any kind of default on this style
13:26<PeteMall1>ogp: yes
13:26<rnowak>PeteMall1: so why does WP have an auto-update feature where it can overwrite itself?
13:26<rnowak>take it out, thnx
13:26<ogp>and thats linode too, wp=engine.
13:26<@akerl>rnowak: But there's no way that could go wrong!
13:27<rnowak>akerl: I know, right
13:27<ogp>how to move from Dreamhost to wp-engine <petemall1>?
13:27<PeteMall1>rnowak: we've been tinkering with doing updates in a separate location and doing some sanity checks
13:27<@akerl>PeteMall1: That's no better
13:27<PeteMall1>ogp: pay someone
13:27<ogp>what would it cost?
13:27<ogp>we are a tiny site.
13:27<ogp>no budget..
13:27<PeteMall1>there are sanity checks in the updater
13:27<rnowak>PeteMall1: that's horrible, you should resign from the project, or you're supporting horrible software that implements things that are irresponsible
13:28<PeteMall1>rnowak: agree to disagree
13:28<ogp>wp-engine uses linode! so whats bad?
13:28<PeteMall1>let's talk linode here and you are welcome to join #wordpress-dev on freenode if you have something useful to contribute
13:29<rnowak>oh, so you disagree with that having an application being able to write to its own codebase without any sort of signature check is fine? oh ok then, no wonder WP is the state it is in with developers like that
13:29<rnowak>Nah, I'd rather just tell you that here, thanks
13:29<Katana>rnowak: but distributing updates over http unsigned is what all the cool projects do!
13:29<rnowak>Katana: ye
13:30<PeteMall1>rnowak: and I haven't seen an attack vector in the last couple of years where an updated WP version was hacked directly
13:30<ogp> confused. what are u talking..
13:30<ogp>against wp-engine or with wp-engine?
13:30<Katana>ogp: against wordpress itself
13:30<ogp>listen that doesnt help.
13:30<ogp>we are on wp.
13:31<nviror>Could anyone review my mysql config?
13:31<rnowak>excuse me, do you believe that you're the single person in this channel and that we're somehow obliged to drop everything else to assist you, ogp?
13:31<nviror>Its on 512 and uses 3 wordpress installs + nginx
13:31<ogp> with wp-engine or linode 512
13:32<ogp><nviror> sorry.
13:32<nviror>It doesn't create logs, I check at /var/log/mysq.err
13:32<ogp>i am kinda confused with the wp-engine talk
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13:32<@akerl>nviror: If it's not creating logs, you need to find out why. What outputs to console when you restart mysql?
13:34<PeteMall1>ogp: please don't PM me w/o asking
13:34<ogp>is it ok?
13:34<PeteMall1>ogp: why don't you contact wpengine and ask them for help?
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13:34<ogp>is there any doc on how to move from dh to wp-engine?
13:34<mwalling>ogp: why can't you just install wordpress on a linode?
13:35<ogp>wp-engine is also using linode..
13:35<mwalling>there is *nothing* special about linode, you don't need to include "linode" in your search terms
13:35<@akerl>nviror: And you don't have any files in /var/log/ that look anything like mysql?
13:35<mwalling>ogp: theonion uses linode too, why don't you ask them? (that is a joke to show that your statement has no relevence to this discussion)
13:36<auraka>mwalling: I disagree, there is a lot special about linode.....
13:36<nviror>akerl, I've mysql.err and /mysql/mysql.err but both blank
13:36<mwalling>auraka: but nothing worthy of including the word linode in your duckduckgo results
13:36<rnowak>nviror: huh, you have a /mysql directory?
13:36<mwalling>all doing that is going to do is give you a headache or hide useful informaiton
13:36<@akerl>nviror: Completely empty? ls and cat them, then pastebin?
13:36<ogp>ok guys...thanks a lot. I 've taken up a lot of your time...appreciate the help and answers.
13:36<auraka>especially if you use ddg
13:36<rnowak>duckduckgo \o/
13:36<ogp>Go Linodo IRC! :-)
13:36<@akerl>`ls -l /path/to/file' and 'cat /path/to/file' <- nviror
13:37<linbot>mwalling: (google <search> [--{filter,language} <value>]) -- Searches for the given string. As many results as can fit are included. --language accepts a language abbreviation; --filter accepts a filtering level ('active', 'moderate', 'off').
13:37<nviror>akerl, did you check my mysql.cnf file i pasted?
13:37<linbot>Congratulations! You've lost the game!
13:37<rnowak>!apropos duck
13:37<linbot>rnowak: No appropriate commands were found.
13:37<ogp>Bye, thanks.
13:37<mwalling>ogp: where are you off too?
13:37<ogp>Thanks for your comments and advise.
13:37<ogp>I think I got my answer
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13:38<nviror>akerl, Just now i started getting errors on my terminal instead, ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
13:38<rl>hey I need some help
13:38<rl>I can't login via ssh
13:39<@akerl>rl: What does LISH say?
13:39<rl>Permission denied, please try again
13:39<CaptObviousman>it says "Hi r1, how are you today?"
13:39<CaptObviousman>I had tea with it recently, it's quite the conversationalist
13:39<@akerl>!lish <-- make sure you're using the right password?
13:39<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
13:39<rl> yeah...
13:39*CaptObviousman is helpful
13:39<rl>I can login to the manager
13:39<@akerl>rl: If you're using the right password, it won't say "permission denied" :P
13:40<rl>am I supposed to use a different password..?
13:40<@akerl>LISH password is set on remote access tab
13:40<rl>but what about the SSH password
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13:40<rl>that is above that
13:40<rl>in the same tab
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13:40<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
13:40<rl>I just assumed it was the same one I used to log in to
13:40<@akerl>rl: You're connecting to LISH using SSH right?
13:40<auraka>aww :-/
13:41<@akerl>nviror: linkfail
13:41<DephNet[Paul]>le sigh, why do people seem to think just not paying a bill is good enough to cancel a server
13:41<rl>akerl: not sure, actually. I'm just trying to ssh root@myipaddress
13:41<@akerl>rl: That's not LISH
13:41<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
13:42<mwalling>rl: when you set up the distro, you put in a root password
13:42<Katana>DephNet[Paul]: ...Someone do that to you?
13:42<mwalling>rl: use that
13:42<nviror>akerl, sorry
13:42<@akerl>SSH to root@your.ip uses the password you set for root when you deployed. SSH via LISH uses the password set for LISH on the remote access tab, and then root & your root pass
13:43<DephNet[Paul]>Katana, yeah, takes the fecking piss
13:43<rl>mwalling, akerl: somebody else set up the distro, I'll ask. Sorry, just thought it would be the same password I used for the manager
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13:43<rl>That was dumb
13:43<@akerl>rl: No worries :)
13:43<@akerl>You can reset the root password via the Rescue tab, but you need to power the Linode down first
13:43<@akerl>Obviously, asking them is probably preferrable, if possible
13:44<rl>Thank you so much, you've been very helpful :)
13:44<DephNet[Paul]>akerl, being helpful? well when did hell freeze?
13:45*Katana gets the ice pick
13:45<@akerl>nviror: Something funky is going on. Try setting a specific log file somewhere simple in your my.conf?
13:46<nviror>akerl, you didn't reply, did you review my my.cnf config? I'm sure something's isn't correct there
13:46<@akerl>The log file problem is issue #1, and wouldn't be caused by general misconfig
13:48<@akerl>nviror: Take a look at LISH?
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13:48<nviror>akerl, I'm using putty
13:48<@akerl>nviror: Humor me?
13:49<nviror>why LISH?
13:49<auraka>nviror: LISH will catch log messages sent to console
13:50<auraka>akerl: sorry wanted to get some helper credits in here as well
13:51<nviror>akerl, Lot of firewall messages in LISH,
13:52<@akerl>nviror: Still on lish?
13:52<nviror>akerl, yes
13:53<@akerl>Are things becoming very clear?
13:54<nviror>I don't know what is happenning
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13:55<@heckman>Well, those messages look like you are blocking UDP traffic *from* you Linode
13:55<nviror>errors doesn't stop on lish
13:55<@akerl>"Out of memory: Kill process 8035 (mysqld) score 43 or sacrifice child
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13:55<@akerl>^ very relevant
13:55<nviror>Its blocking to only one DEST IP:
13:56<@heckman>Ah teh oom
13:56<@heckman>You should fix that
13:56<rnowak>oomkiller at your service
13:56<rnowak>sniped, bitch
13:56<@heckman>oomkiller accidentally your processes
13:56<rnowak>all the things
13:56<@heckman>I get a good chuckle when it kills things like vim and /bin/bash
13:57<nviror>Must have been a problem in php.ini or my.cnf
13:57<@akerl>Interesting question: Why are you dropping traffic to that IP?
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13:57<nviror>akerl, I don't know.
13:57<@akerl>nviror: Sounds like time to find out. pastebin 'iptables -L -nv'?
13:57<nviror>I've CSF/LFD, fail2ban and denyhost installed
13:57<@heckman>nviror: something within your Linode started to eat memory, your kernel started killing processes, and why do you have firewall rules in place randomly. o_O
13:57<nviror>they me be doing something
13:58<orville>nviror: implementing fw rules without understanding what they do isn't very wise.
13:59<orville>I've been _slowly_ hardening my server and the last of the things left on my list is implementing iptables fw. because up till now, i didn't understand the rules
13:59<@ericoc>so long
13:59<@akerl>nviror: How many of those lines do you understand?
13:59<@ericoc>"*ICMP_OUT Blocked*" what..
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14:00<orville>nviror: one of these days I hope will be read and help me out :-)
14:00<@heckman>Why are all those firewall rules there?
14:00<nviror>heckman, shall i disable csf and try again?
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14:01<@heckman>I'm just curious as to why you are running a firewall..
14:01<nviror>a security measure
14:01<@heckman>Against what?
14:02<@heckman>Just adding a firewall doesn't increase your security...
14:02<nviror>Previosly my server was hacked, so this time I applied all security measures
14:02<rnowak>do you even know what the rules are doing?
14:02<nviror>but prevents to some extent
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14:02<@heckman>nviror: bad news, firewalls don't security much (if anything)
14:02<@heckman>s/don't/don't increase/
14:02<nviror>so shall i disable it?
14:03<@ericoc>did you just verb security
14:03<rnowak>he did, sir, he did
14:03<@heckman>no, I accidentally a word
14:03<orville>nviror: and and
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14:03<orville>may also help.
14:03<@ericoc>i think i just verbed verb
14:03<rnowak> deeeeeeeeerp
14:03<rnowak>you did verb verb
14:03<nviror>orville, Debian here
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14:03<orville>one day (mayhaps tonight) I will read those.
14:04<orville>nviror: read. and understand. the distro doesn't matter.
14:04<rnowak>we call verbing something "bending" in swedish, what's the proper word for it in english? it surely isn't verbing (:
14:05<@akerl>rnowak: we don't really use words here. we just grunt at each other
14:05<orville>you laugh, but it's true.
14:06<rnowak>welp, it is verbing
14:06<nviror>what should i do now? disable the csf and do manual iptables config?
14:07<nviror>That wouldn't solve mysql probelm, which is my priority
14:07<@akerl>nviror: Pastebin 'df -h' for me? and 'df -i'?
14:09<@akerl>:< was hoping it would be something simple.
14:10<@akerl>So step 1 is fix your firewall, step 2 is figure out what's using all your RAM and fix that, and step 3 is make sure mysql is logging
14:10<rnowak>didn't mysql get sniped?
14:11<nviror>akerl, help me fix the firewall, I would do the rest
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14:12<@akerl>nviror: Set all chains to ACCEPT, then flush
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14:14<nviror>akerl, should i disable csf too?
14:16<nviror>I don't know how to set all chains to accept and glush
14:16<@akerl>nviror: manpages and google are your friend :)
14:16<nviror>akerl, would you be my friend?
14:17<rnowak>sorry, he's my friend right now
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14:17<rnowak>we've got this monofriendship going on
14:17<@akerl>nviror: I was trying to be?
14:17<rnowak>wow, I see, if that's the way you want it
14:17<@akerl>rnowak: It's not you, it's cloud
14:20<nviror>iptables -P INPUT DROP, iptables -P OUTPUT DROP <- these will accept all chains?
14:21<@akerl>nviror: What do you think?
14:21<rnowak>man iptables
14:21<@akerl>If you hand me an apple and I drop it on the ground, have I accepted your apple
14:21<rnowak>what if I throw it back in your face?
14:21<rnowak>aggressive firewalling
14:22<@akerl>iptables drops the packet, and then puts out a hit on your server
14:22<rnowak>russian botnets pick it up and do their thing
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14:24<nviror>I'm still confused, how to accept all chains
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14:24<rnowak>nviror: man iptables
14:24<nviror>idk why akerl isn't telling me how to do that
14:24<rnowak>search for policy
14:25<nviror>rnowak, that's too long
14:25<rnowak>he is telling you how to find out for yourself instead of being spoonfed
14:25<@akerl>^- that
14:25<rnowak>too long? why should we help you if you can't even put in some effort
14:25<@akerl>Learning > copying
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14:35<nviror>iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT and same for output and forward?
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14:36<imMute>akerl: I expect patches for REJECT-WITH-VIOLENCE next week :)
14:37<nviror> iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT and same for output and forward? and then flush?
14:38<imMute>that would allow all traffic, yes
14:38<imMute>probably not a good idea to do that on a linode though
14:38<@akerl>imMute: Why?
14:39<imMute>well turning off the firewall anywhere is probably a bad idea, linodes especially because there's no other firewall (like a NAT router at home) and they're easily scanned (and do get scanned regularly, mine do anyway)
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14:41<imMute>well if you want to run a wide open box, thats your decision, I wouldn't turn off iptables on my linode though
14:42<@akerl>imMute: If your box is "wide open" without a firewall, you're doing it wrong :<
14:42<Katana>that being said - :(
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14:43<imMute>akerl: could you elaborate on that ?
14:43<@akerl>If something on your Linode isn't listening on a port, it's not relevant. If you are listening on it, you ought to be securing it properly.
14:44<@akerl>Out of all the ports, I bet you listen publically on <20 of them?
14:44<@akerl>Hopefully closer to <10, but we'll aim high.
14:44<imMute>true on the first part, but, for instance, if you want to run a service but only allow VPN traffic to it, iptables is the quickest way
14:45<Katana>e.g. bury PMA behind iptables by listening on a specific port that's firewalled
14:45<rnowak>or bind to localhost?
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14:45<imMute>for instance, I have postgres and samba running on my linode, but I only want to allow access to it via the OpenVPN I have setup. I suppose I could make those bind to the VPN address instead of, but I'm lazy
14:46<@akerl>See my above, "you're doing it wrong"
14:46<rnowak>so you're saying doing something properly is a bad idea, because you're lazy? oh ok
14:46<imMute>okay, what about programs that can't be made to listen on a specific ip? I don't have one, but for the sake of argument..
14:46<@akerl>What happens if your iptables rules fail to load, are altered, etc?
14:46<@akerl>imMute: Use a properly written program
14:47<imMute>well if my iptables fail to load, it defaults to dropping everything.
14:47<imMute>I get the point though, I'm lazy and I'm Doing It Wrong. but hey, it works for me.
14:48<@akerl>Out of curiousity, how are you doing that?
14:48<@akerl>If your iptables fails to load, what is setting the default policy to DROP?
14:48<Katana>echo $GIT_DIR
14:49<Katana>ohai wrong window
14:49<imMute>pretty sure the init script is setup to handle that, but I'm not sure. I've never come across that failure state though. :/
14:49<rnowak>assumptions are the... (:
14:50<rnowak>while we're being curious, which init script are you referring to?
14:51<imMute>and apparently it doesn't, I could have sworn it did. never mind this idiot then.
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15:01<nviror>where are the iptables rules saved in debian?
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15:01<rnowak>saved how?
15:02<nviror>In a tut, it says rules are saved in /etc/sysconfig/iptables
15:02<@akerl>nviror: I googled for the exact question you just asked, and the first hit was the answer.
15:02<rnowak>what is google?
15:02<rnowak>if only someone invented a search engine
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15:03<@akerl>Though my friends tell me all the cool kids duck duck go
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15:07<Katana>so it was core.worktree in the submodule that seemed to have been the cause of the pain, EugeneKay...
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15:07<Katana>nuked from orbit, old submodule behavior reattained >_>
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15:19<EugeneKay>Cool story, br0.
15:19<EugeneKay>I think submodules are stupid and evil and will rape kittens. So I don't use them
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15:20<Katana>cooler story: Han Solo's.
15:20<Nivex>EugeneKay: why are you talking to a bridge interface?
15:21<EugeneKay>Yer a Jedi, Frodo --Gurney Halleck
15:27<Katana>Gurney ftw.
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15:49<pdkl>I would like to contribute a guide on getting MVC 3 running under linux (archlinux).
15:49<Katana>I believe you can email it in, dunno the address though
15:49*Katana pokes ops
15:49<Katana>linode library contribution email address?
15:49<pdkl>archlinux + nginx + mvc 3 + postgresql (nhibernate) etc
15:49<pdkl>yeah thats what it said, to come in and poke an op
15:50<rnowak> on my lunix, umad
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15:50<rnowak>(does it work alright?)
15:50<pdkl>rnowak: MVC 3
15:51<pdkl> just blows imo, mvc 3 is rails like and very powerful
15:51<linbot>New news from forums: lsmod shows no kernel modules in General Discussion <>
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15:51<Einar>I just set up my Fedora server and both Virtual hosts I set up point to the first one. What could be wrong?
15:51<Katana>:o Perihelion wrote that?
15:51<Kyhwana>Einar: you've either messed up the config somehow or.. both vhosts point to the same directory?
15:52<Katana>Einar: did you make sure to reload the webserver (apache, nginx...etc?)
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15:53<pdkl>got to love it its running at 89 megs of ram vs my java version was running 256 megs..
15:53<mbreslin>java none of the things
15:54<neok2>Hi All, having issues with a PHP module - apc? Recently upgraded to 5.3 and I think I've got an old version of apc or something.. here's pastie of php -v and yum |grep php:
15:54<bob2>you rewrote the whole app, with same design and features from java to c#?
15:54<bob2>ha ha centos
15:54<Kyhwana>neok2: does /usr/lib/php/modules/ exist?
15:55<bob2>neok2, as it says, you don't have apc at all
15:55<neok2>dammit I used to
15:57<neok2>So if I do : pecl install apc I get - pecl/apc is already installed and is the same as the released version 3.1.9 install failed
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16:21<dwfreed>!library sftp jail
16:21<linbot>dwfreed: 1. Limiting Access with SFTP Jails on Debian and Ubuntu - | 2. Transfer Files with Filezilla on Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop - | 3. Transfer Files with Cyberduck on Mac OS X -
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16:39<cap10morgan>when accessing the API from a Linode, what's the best way to get data about the Linode you're calling from? For example, to ask for "my Linode ID"?
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16:41<ogp>considering wp-engine vs. linode. Thoughts?
16:42<Kyhwana>cap10morgan: hmm, interesting
16:42<@akerl>cap10morgan: API keys aren't tied to a specific Linode
16:43<cap10morgan>Kyhwana: for context, I'm working on better Linode support in Opscode Chef
16:43<cap10morgan>akerl: I know, but I need to detect which node is "me" out of the list of nodes the API returns.
16:43<@akerl>With the caveat that I haven't written anything complicated with the API for a while, I might detect by IP
16:43<Kyhwana>cap10morgan: I don't think there is a way to get it
16:44<@akerl>I'm assuming you know the node's IP. Get the IPs of your Linodes, and find yourself
16:45<bob2>if you want managed wordpress hosting, get managed wordpress hosting
16:45<bob2>if you want a vps, liiiiiinode
16:45<cap10morgan>akerl: AFAICT you can only list the IPs of a single Linode once you have its LinodeID
16:45<cap10morgan>which i don't have yet
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16:47<@heckman>cap10morgan: so you are trying to get the LinodeID for the Linode you are calling the API from?
16:47<cap10morgan>heckman: correct
16:48<@akerl>cap10morgan: Either grab linode.list and then iterate through linode.ip.list, or potentially label linodes in the manager with something programmatically useful
16:49<@akerl>For instance, I name my linodes in the manager to match their hostname. Doing that, I can grab linode.list and find where label == $(hostname)
16:49<cap10morgan>akerl: ugh, was hoping i wouldn't have to iterate through all of them. but if that's currently the best way, it'll have to do for now.
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16:49<cap10morgan>and i don't want to depend on label matching, seems far too brittle
16:50<cap10morgan>this is intended to be a general-purpose solution for chef users, not just what gets me up and running
16:50<cap10morgan>ok, thanks for the tips folks
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17:05<EugeneKay>bob2 - where can I buy a Lying Node?
17:08<multijoy>that's an auto correct gone wrong!
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17:12<@heckman>Autocorrect gone wild?
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17:22<linbot>New news from forums: Mutt sending as system_user@host, not virtual user & dom in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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17:23<SleePy2>Anyone else having issues with fremont? again...
17:23<aaronpk>i was about to say...
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17:24<dwfreed>SleePy2: looks good from here
17:24<Daevien>SleePy2: heckman got bored and broke fremont probably
17:24<aaronpk>I can't get to it from Portland (usually goes through Seattle or San Jose)
17:25<aaronpk>SleePy2: what ISP?
17:25<dwfreed>There was mention of the Washington area having problems last week, too, iirc
17:26<SleePy2>aaronpk: Frontier
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17:27<whatwhat>is freemont down again?
17:27<aaronpk>not down, just inaccessible from certain portions of the internet
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17:27<whatwhat>so normal then....
17:27<linbot>Kyhwana: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 44.5ms (urmom)
17:28<Kyhwana>pastie MTRs etc
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17:28<EugeneKay>Dat BGP flap
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17:29<jfw>Same problem with Fremont as the other day?
17:29<EugeneKay>Sounds like it
17:29<SleePy2>I'm getting 100% loss from HE
17:29<pjkh>looks like it (olympia, wa here)
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17:29<linbot>Kyhwana: [mtr] 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 83.2ms
17:29<jfw>I'm getting about 40$ loss
17:29<Kyhwana>fail linbot
17:30<@heckman>Get me MTRs guys
17:30<SleePy2>Bot must be on fremont :P
17:30<jfw>Kyhwana: The problem the other day only affected people in WA & OR
17:30<Kyhwana>anyway, fremont is down, looks like a routing issue.. pastie MTRs along with which ISP/where you are
17:30<@heckman>From your location -> and provide external IPv4
17:30<EugeneKay>heckman - You should almost teach linbot to say that :-p
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17:31<aaronpk>`mtr -wr`
17:31<aaronpk>From comcast portland
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17:31<pjkh>from olympia, wa (comcast)
17:32<SleePy2> -
17:32<jfw>Also from Portland:
17:32<SleePy2>Ps for those who don't know, you can google "what is my ip" and it tells you ;)
17:32<edoceo>WA comcast:
17:32<aaronpk>from fork networking (pittock building) downtown portland
17:32<@akerl>curl -s
17:32<jfw>My IP:
17:32<SleePy2>There they go
17:33<EugeneKay>I like mine better.
17:33<SleePy>Now its working on my end at least
17:33<Kyhwana>looks like HE is bowing up
17:33<aaronpk>I like mine better: oh wait, that's on my linode
17:33<@heckman>Keep em coming guys I'm going to reach out to the NOC in a moment
17:33<Kyhwana>what about v6?
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17:34<edoceo>aaronpk: oh, I like tracerout - I think I have those as /mtr and as /traceroute - but I should check
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17:35<edoceo>well, work stopped...smoke break!
17:35<aaronpk>beer break
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17:36*SleePy is up and running again
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17:36<aaronpk>and we're back
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17:38<jfw>Working again for me
17:38<pjkh>and me too
17:38<jfw>Anyone know what happened?
17:38<@heckman>The incident from last week was hardware failure of a router in Seattle.
17:38<edoceo>probably rusted!
17:38<@heckman>SleePy: also helps if you can see full hostname or just IP address...
17:39<@heckman>chopped off hostnames are less than ideal
17:39<dwfreed>mtr -w FTW
17:39<SleePy>I'm using mtr -rc4
17:39<edoceo>mtr -c8 -r -w
17:39<dwfreed>SleePy: -w forces mtr to not cut of domain names like that
17:39<edoceo>Win: 12.|-- 0.0% 8 30.6 30.1 29.3 31.2 0.8
17:39<SleePy>alright, will use it next time
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17:44<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
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17:49<linbot>Kyhwana: Yo mommas so fat, she doesnt handle more than 2 gigs! (778:12/5) [mmour]
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17:50<rnowak>!vote down 778
17:50<rnowak>!urmom vote down 778
17:50<linbot>rnowak: Voted down 778 [umrom]
17:51<dwfreed>oh, that's how you do it
17:51<Kyhwana>what, that doesn't make sense
17:51<linbot>Kyhwana: Yo mommas so ugly the goonies wouldnt marry her (825:5/13) [mmuor]
17:51<Kyhwana>!urmum vote up 825
17:51<linbot>Kyhwana: Voted up 825 [mourm]
17:52*Katana calls in an ion cannon strike on rnowak
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17:54<Daevien>Katana: don't anger the mowak!
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18:05<devilspgd>Anyone else seeing problems connecting to Fremont?
18:05<Kyhwana>it's a HE routing issue
18:05<devilspgd>Okay cool. I wasn't able to see any channel history connecting to my bouncer, lost it in a reconnect attempt. Thanks.
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18:06*ajmitch isn't having problems with it afaict
18:07<devilspgd>Yeah, that says resolved... Definitely not resolved at this point from here.
18:07<Kyhwana>reboot all the things!
18:07<Kyhwana>devilspgd: mtr -w -r
18:07<Kyhwana>hmm, linbot needs to post those status updates here too
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18:08<SleePy>Kyhwana: Doesn't help when it appears linbot is connected to a Fremont server :D
18:09<Kyhwana>linbot: ping
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18:25<devilspgd>FWIW, seems to be better again for the last few minutes
18:26<mbreslin>my fremont hosts have had 0 issues fwiw
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18:28<devilspgd>Seemed to mostly be traffic to the NW US, it was reachable from a couple other places
18:28<dwfreed>yeah, the washington/oregon area was having a lot of issues
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18:31<EugeneKay>Dat BGP flap
18:32<EugeneKay>The issue is that the carriers in question don't have flexible enough routing schemas to work around the issue
18:32<EugeneKay>(you pick which)
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18:43<CaptObviousman>I have linode's dns servers backing up my own
18:43<CaptObviousman>I have AXFRs whitelisted for only their ips
18:43<dwfreed>I do the same thing, and I know others do as well
18:43<CaptObviousman>but apparently they don't
18:43<CaptObviousman>cause I was just able to pull my zone off of one of theirs from a different source
18:44<dwfreed>CaptObviousman: did you turn or AXFRs when you set up the slave zone in the manager?
18:44<CaptObviousman>ah there it is
18:44<CaptObviousman>was that option always available?
18:44<dwfreed>Has been since I started doing slaving
18:44<dwfreed>But that was in December
18:44<dwfreed>So it could have changed before then
18:48<dragonheart>can you request linode multicast addresses, either dc wide or multisite, ipv4 or ipv6? just looking at corosync which uses it.
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18:49<Kyhwana>danblack: uh, not afaik
18:49<dwfreed>danblack: no, linode filters all multicast
18:50<danblack>i suspected as much but thanks for confirming.
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18:51<danblack>pitty the corosync unicast udp doco is so shit. I'll survive.
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18:54<Katana>i cannot type today.
18:54<Katana>tried four times to type "irc"
18:54<Katana>somehow failed three times straight
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18:58<dwfreed>Katana: lol
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19:00<CaptObviousman>mikegrb: lol
19:00<CaptObviousman>mikegrb: lolol
19:00<CaptObviousman>stop your lollygagging
19:00<CaptObviousman>it's gotta be a bare word then
19:00<dwfreed>!apropos lol
19:00<linbot>dwfreed: lol and lolzor
19:00<linbot>Q: Whats the point of the lolz bot? A: To discourage the gratuitous use of the term.
19:00<linbot>/exec -out echo lolzor | figlet | cowsay -n
19:01*CaptObviousman doesn't have cowsay =(
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19:01<CaptObviousman>nor do I have figlet
19:01<dwfreed>I can get it, but it's spammy, as is figlet
19:02<dwfreed>figlet: program for making large letters out of ordinary text; cowsay: configurable talking ASCII cow (and other characters)
19:04<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡/(.□ . \)
19:04<dzho>dwfreed: spammy, in what way?
19:05<dzho>I am not aware of it aiding in the sending of unsolicited bulk mail
19:05<Katana>spam isn't just bulk mail >_>
19:05*staticsafe just switched over one of his domains to Linode NS'
19:05<dzho>Katana: what definition of spam do you use, then?
19:06<dzho>not just bulk mail, of course.
19:06<dzho>mailing lists are built for bulk mail, and many happily use them
19:06<Katana>dzho: unwanted, undesired, unsolicited communications
19:06<dzho>*unsolicited* bulk mail, however, is spam in most lights.
19:06<dzho>well, ok
19:07<dzho>s/mail/communication/ is fine
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19:09<dzho>even so, what features of figlet or cowsay make them essentially geared towards unsolicited bulk communication?
19:10<dwfreed>dzho: the fact that the cow takes like 7 lines?
19:10<Katana>also i didn't say bulk
19:10<Katana>ASCII art in IRC is a death sentence usually, anyways
19:10<dzho>Katana: no, I *said* bulk, because that's an essential feature of spam
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19:10<Katana>it just has to be junk.
19:10<dwfreed>Well, there's 440 people in here, so I'd call that bulk
19:10<dzho>you might not want my communication that I'm sending right now, but your disapproval is not sufficient to make it spam
19:11<Katana>actually, i can consider it spam
19:11<Katana>recourse is minimal however
19:11<dzho>what I'm saying right now?
19:11<Katana>easiest method of controlling it would be an /ignore
19:11<dzho>easiest methof for you take responsibility for your reaction to my disagreement, yes.
19:11<Katana>welcome to the world of perception and interpretation - the playing field of lawyers everywhere :)
19:13<dzho>akerl: sounds good to me
19:13<@akerl>dzho: By that definition, and by the truth, bulk is not a necessary component of spam.
19:13<rnowak>oh oh are we having a word fight
19:13<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
19:14<@akerl>rnowak: What else is there to fight about?
19:14*Katana tags rnowak in
19:14<rnowak>let's do this
19:14<Katana>your turn
19:14<dzho>akerl: funny, both non-meat-product definitions do include a reverence to "bulk"
19:14<dzho>if you want to quibble that saying it is "typical" doesn't make it "essential" then, fine.
19:15<rnowak>I like pie
19:15<Katana>rnowak likes spam pie
19:15<@akerl>Bulky pies?
19:15<rnowak>cakes too
19:15<dzho>CaptObviousman: anyway, depending on how you roll, you might find figlet and cowsay fun to play with.
19:15<dzho>just not, you know, for posting things to #linode :-)
19:16<dzho>of course
19:16<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
19:16<dzho>isn't just for ASCII art
19:17<Katana>!alias add spam
19:17<linbot>Katana: The operation succeeded.
19:17<CaptObviousman>did we really get into a pedantic argument over the definition of spam?
19:17<CaptObviousman>dear god folks, go get laid or something
19:17<Katana>hey it's more entertaining then work
19:18<CaptObviousman>it's spammy =)
19:18<dzho>CaptObviousman: pssst, I heard vim is spammy
19:18<Kyh_>dzho: ITYM emacs
19:18*CaptObviousman will vim YOUR spammy
19:18<dzho>Kyh_: well played
19:18<Katana>Kyh_: itym Eclipse
19:18<dzho>$VISUAL is spammy
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19:18<rnowak>I heard emacs' circular kernel message buffer is spammy
19:18<Kyh_>I heard fremont is spammy
19:19<rnowak>I heard urmom likes spam
19:19<linbot>Kyh_: Yo mommas so fat, she IS the global obesity crisis (816:11/0) [moumr]
19:19<dzho>I was just wondering how long that would take.
19:19<linbot>Katana: Yo mommas so old shes almost as old as pparadis! (795:10/12) [umrmo]
19:19<Katana>oh hey that's aliased
19:19<Katana>!urmom vote up 816
19:19<linbot>Katana: Voted up 816 [momru]
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19:20<rnowak>dzho: how is it up there on the high horse?
19:21<dzho>rnowak: excuse me?
19:21<rnowak>I'm yet to see you comment on anything when it doesn't include you being able to be a smartass
19:21<rnowak>you're excused
19:21<dzho>apology accepted
19:22<dzho>because, you know, being on a high horse, and being a smartass . . . which is it?
19:22<dwfreed>Can't we all just get along?
19:22<dzho>I have a serious point, but I suppose you can play it how you like--sitting on a stick, or slap-ass.
19:23<Katana>!gameloss dzho rnowak
19:23<linbot>Congratulations! You've lost the game!
19:23<dzho>anyway, I'm sorry you're having such a bad day rnowak
19:23<linbot>You just lost.
19:23<linbot>Kyh_: *click*
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19:24<rnowak>dzho: don't be so butthurt, k
19:24<dwfreed>!plugin roulette
19:24<linbot>dwfreed: The "roulette" command is available in the Games plugin.
19:27<linbot>rnowak: *click*
19:27<linbot>dwfreed: *click*
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21:37<PeteMall1> posted this earlier today but here it goes. I'm trying to proxy all traffic to wp-admin* to a different node (web1) -
21:37<PeteMall1>what am I doing wrong?
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21:41<danblack>PeteMall1: the /wp-admin is a regex therefore location ~ /wp-.......
21:41<PeteMall1>thanks danblack
21:41<PeteMall1>extra set of eyes always help
21:41<danblack>either than or remove the regex bit at the end could work also
21:42<dwfreed>Yeah, no point in doing a regex in that case
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21:42<kiteplans>hey anyone online?
21:42<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
21:43<kiteplans>I wanted to ask more about the linode packages...
21:43<danblack>then ask
21:43<kiteplans>but I dont know if this is the best place to ask
21:43<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:44<dwfreed>Most of us here know about the plan info
21:44<kiteplans>If I were to get a VPS 512MB for example...
21:44<kiteplans>does that include any kind of burst ram?
21:44<Kyhwana>nope. You get all 512MB and no more
21:44<dwfreed>You get 512 MB of ram to use all the time
21:45<PeteMall1>dwfreed: danblack: location /wp-admin/ { … } should do it?
21:45<dwfreed>PeteMall1: yeah
21:45<kiteplans>so no burst...
21:45<kiteplans>do you know if extra ips in japan is also $1 per Ip?
21:45<dwfreed>kiteplans: yes
21:45<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
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21:46<jmc>Need help with moving Dreamhost VPS to Linode VPS.
21:46<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
21:46<jmc>Very simple instructions
21:47<EugeneKay>You.... move. That's about it, really.
21:47<kiteplans>great stuff - so is there almost always just people hanging out here while working? thats awesome!
21:47<EugeneKay>!library lamp
21:47<linbot>EugeneKay: 1. Build a LAMP Server on a Linode - | 2. Set up a LAMP Server on Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric) - | 3. Set up a LAMP Server on Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) -
21:48<EugeneKay>Configure the system, copy your Apache/MySQL/PHP configs, move your data, switch over the IP address/DNS.
21:48<kiteplans>another question - I am currently running Centos 5.7 - would you say I should run something else on linode or stick with that?
21:48<dzho>kiteplans: often enough, yeah
21:48<EugeneKay>That's about it.
21:48<jmc>I am not tech person..
21:48<Kyhwana>jmc: who manages your dreamhost vps now?
21:48<PeteMall1>dwfreed: wp-admin/edit.php is still being served from web2
21:48<PeteMall1>not proxying to web1
21:48<EugeneKay>kiteplans - The Cool Kids (tm) run Arch or Ubuntu or something. I use Scientific Linux 6(.2, I think is the current), which is the same thing as CentOS 6, but by CERN instead of some drunk brit.
21:49<jmc>it's running on a shared server
21:49<EugeneKay>If you know Red Hat/CentOS then you should stick with a RH-derivative. I believe Linode has a CentOS6 image available.
21:49<jmc>can i pm you?
21:49<kiteplans>LOL! - <linbot> OMFG I'M NOT GOING NEAR ARCH
21:49<EugeneKay>Depends what for. ;-)
21:49<rnowak>EugeneKay likes happy endings
21:50<Kyhwana>linode (at the moment) is unmanaged, you get to do everything yourself.
21:50<jmc>I needd someone to guide me with moving fromdh vps to linode vps :-s
21:50<jmc>if linode vps is a happy ending, then yes!
21:50<kiteplans>and have any of you guys been able to get l2tp to work on linode? I have never been able to get that thing to work!
21:50<rnowak>!library migrate
21:50<linbot>rnowak: 1. Migrate a Server to Your Linode - | 2. Migrate Disk Images and Linode Instances - | 3. Resize a Linode -
21:50<rnowak>jmc: #1 ^
21:50<EugeneKay>Sounds like you need paid support. I do that, but you probably won't like my rates.
21:51<jmc>what are your rates?
21:51<jmc>DH has been down for 3 days guys,, its armegeddon here!
21:52<EugeneKay>See PM
21:52<dwfreed>PeteMall1: use location ^~ /wp-admin/ { settings; }
21:52<kiteplans>and have any of you guys been able to get l2tp to work on linode? I have never been able to get that thing to work!
21:52<PeteMall1>thanks dwfreed, trying it now
21:53<rnowak>kiteplans: works fine, simple as butter
21:53<dzho>wow, and I thought slicehost/rackspace's ~20 hr outage was bad, recently.
21:53<EugeneKay>kiteplans - nope, but OpenVPN works grand
21:53<kiteplans>rnowak - what OS do you use?
21:53<rnowak>kiteplans: debian stable
21:54<kiteplans>I always use OpenVPN as well - love it!!! but I need some l2tp sometimes
21:54<rnowak>what software are you having issues with?
21:54<PeteMall1>dwfreed: that seems to have done the trick
21:55<kiteplans>so I am planning on moving to a Japan server - from a 1GB Ram with 1extra GM burst ram - OpenVZ VPS to Linode - I need to just decide on how much ram I need - I wont be moving all my sites - just a few Joomla sites - really really large with about 100 000 hits a month
21:56<kiteplans>I have been running on some XENs in the past and its just so much better than OpenVZ - and seem to be able to get away with less ram
21:56<rnowak>really really large, 100k hits a month - cute (:
21:56<Kyhwana>kiteplans: you can always upgrade, it takes a reboot and 10-60minutes for the migration, but your upgraded then just comes up and off you go
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21:57<kiteplans>rnowak: LOL - the sites are large, traffic is not that much yet
21:57<EugeneKay>kiteplans - start with 512MB, resize if you need to.
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21:58<kiteplans>@ rnowak - what is your largest site doing now in Hits a month?
21:58<rnowak>kiteplans: define hits
21:58<rnowak>kiteplans: define site
21:59<rnowak>!bob2 | kiteplans
21:59<linbot>anti-php evangelist who believes irc is not twitter!
21:59<rnowak>damnit amitz, for screwing that trigger up
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22:00<kiteplans>unique visitors who visit your site for at least 2 minutes and view at least 2 pages - on a normal Joomla websites
22:00<kiteplans>and with largest I mean most popular...
22:00<rnowak>I don't do "a normal Joomla websites"
22:01<rnowak>how do you measure most popular?
22:01<kiteplans>your busiest
22:01<rnowak>define busiest
22:01<kiteplans>website that pulls the most traffic in a month...
22:01<rnowak>what sort of traffic, people, search engines, raw transfer?
22:02<rnowak>around 0
22:02<rnowak>maybe 1
22:02<rnowak>do I count myself btw?
22:02<rnowak>if so 1, maybe 2, otherwise 0
22:03<kiteplans>so what kind of server do you run then? and for what purpose?
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22:03<rnowak>my linode is used for irssi, and just random file hosting left and right
22:03<kiteplans>btw - thanks for the chat and info guys!
22:04<jmc>Anyone here wanna help us move from Dreamhost VPS to Linode VPS?
22:04<jmc>It's a wordpress site.
22:04<rnowak>!library migrate
22:04<linbot>rnowak: 1. Migrate a Server to Your Linode - | 2. Migrate Disk Images and Linode Instances - | 3. Resize a Linode -
22:04<rnowak>jmc: ^ #1
22:04<rnowak>if you're looking for someone doing it for you as a service, you may want to look at the forums - there are a few people there that offer paid services
22:04<jmc>But want to know specifics related to wp migration
22:05<jmc>Need someone asap...
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22:06<kiteplans>so I could setup swap as a kind of burst memory...
22:07<rnowak>no, you most certainly could not
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22:08<PeteMall1>kiteplans: set up 0 for swap
22:08<rnowak>it is several magnitudes slower, and you do not want to be swap thrashing
22:08<Kyhwana>kiteplans: if you hit swap a lot it will kill your site responiveness. (Since it's going to be hitting IO a lot)
22:08<kiteplans>thanks guys...
22:09<kiteplans>PeterMall1 - what do you mean 0?
22:09<kiteplans>as on 0MB?
22:09<kiteplans>as in 0MB?
22:10<monokrome>PeteMall1: If you didn't create any swap space - what do you plan on happening if you run out of RAM? :/
22:10<rnowak>I'd keep the default, just to swap out rarely used applications, lunix loves its FS cache
22:10<rnowak>oomkiller, at your service
22:11<rnowak>if my services are so badly configured that they cause oom, I deserve the server to go down
22:12<kiteplans>one thing I have always wanted to ask - once you have your server setup LAMP DNS and what not- with lets say 1GB RAM - would you setup your services to use most of that ram?
22:13<kiteplans>or would you use only have or 75% or what?
22:13<rnowak>do not underestimate the greatness of the filesystem cache
22:13<bob2>irc is not bloody twitter
22:13<bob2>jmc, oh, you're looking to hire someone?
22:14<Kyhwana>oh, there goes linbot
22:14*Kyhwana pokes linbot "Why are you so slow?
22:14<dwfreed>linbot is being slow
22:14<jmc>yes <bob2>
22:14<jmc>pm me
22:14<Nivex>pm urmom
22:14<bob2>maybe you want to move to a wordpress hosting service instead
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22:15<jmc>well yeah but thats not as easy..cause we need to be on the latest wp version
22:15<jmc>and we are not.
22:15<Kyhwana>So move to a host that does keep up with the latest wordpress releases
22:15<Kyhwana>Which they should all be doing anyway, otherwise they'll get hax0r3d
22:15<jmc>wp-engine is the main one.
22:15<jmc>they won't do code changes
22:16<jmc>and upgrade us to wp 3.3 we are on wp 3.1
22:16<jmc>sooo...wp-engine is not a quick solution right now <bob2>
22:17<rnowak>@bob2 ye
22:17<bob2>I don't really think 'run unsupported wp version' is an excellent plan
22:17<bob2>get rid of the unmaintained plugins you use
22:18<Kyhwana>I think he says he wants to be on 3.3.1 but wp-engine is still on 3.1?
22:18<Katana>that's managed hosting for you
22:18<Katana>ack, ctrl key keeps screwing up
22:18<bob2>I'm pretty sure jmc means they run totally unmaintained plugins, or got some custom crap done and never kept it up to date
22:18<jmc>Ok, we are on wp 3 and wp-engine wont move us unless we are on the latest version.. ie. wp 3.3 (i think)
22:18<jmc>make sense?
22:19<kiteplans>thanks for the linixatemyram link - so I am running on a 1.5GB ram server now and have 945MB free...
22:19<bob2>why are you on an unmaintained version of wordpress
22:19<Kyhwana>OK, that's not what I just said then. In which case do what bob2 said
22:19<Kyhwana>kiteplans: free RAM is wasted RAM
22:19<jmc>we are on unmaintained because our core is custoomized :-s
22:20<kiteplans>Kyhwana: what about when you have real peaks in traffic? dont you need extra ram to manage that?
22:20*Katana heads for bunker
22:20<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
22:20<jmc>i know...i know...its bad but thats how it is now...we were in the middle of a theme update and bloody DH crashed and now we need to move servers
22:20<rnowak>you were developing on a production server?
22:20<Kyhwana>kiteplans: then linux uses the ram it's using for filesystem cache for more important stuff
22:20<danblack>Kyhwana: I hope you're joking "free ram is wasted ram". Diskcache and extra peaks are great uses for ram
22:20<bob2>that sounds like lies
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22:20<rnowak>what could possibly go wrong
22:21<bob2>you don't "need" to move because "dh crashed"
22:21<dwfreed>rnowak: lol
22:21<Kyhwana>danblack: what?
22:21<jmc><bob2> DH has been down for VPS clients for 3 days
22:21<jmc>its the worst kind of outage they have ever had.
22:21<NdFeB>Dreaming of uptime
22:21<jmc>We want out and move to linode cause its more reliable
22:21<Kyhwana>danblack: ^ as above on linuxatemyram, free ram is wasted ram, you want it used for disk cache if it's not doing anything
22:22<kiteplans>Kyhwana: ok I understand
22:22<jmc>whats there to lie?
22:22<bob2>hirez url
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22:22<dzho>jmc: moving to linode from shared hosting is a bit like renting a general aviation plane because the airlines are unreliable.
22:22<danblack>Kyhwana: ok. missed the context a bit
22:22<bob2>jmc, where's the 3-days-of-downtime outage notice from DH?
22:22<rnowak>I like that analogy
22:22<Kyhwana>jmc: you were doing development on a production site?
22:22<bob2>I find that very hard to believe
22:22<rnowak>it didn't involve cars either
22:23<dzho>rnowak: barely a step up from cars, but thanks all the same.
22:23<jmc><bob2> go see dreamhost status
22:23<jmc>besides whats the poiint of this?
22:23<Katana>erm, sorry.
22:23<rnowak>dzho: that was a subtle sorry for before
22:23<dzho>rnowak: seriously, thanks. it's all good.
22:23<bob2>jmc, that's what I'm reading
22:24*caker is a pilot
22:24<Katana>btw, if you want a horror show, take the keys off of your keyboard.
22:24<Katana>SO MUCH HAIR
22:24<dzho>latest I'm finding from a simple-minded web search of the news about dreamhost is a couple of weeks old
22:24<dwfreed>caker: I have some posters you'll like; got a instrument panel shot of a Cessna 182
22:24<jmc>so read guys, its insanity at dh.
22:25<@caker>dwfreed: I start my training in a 182 this week :)
22:25<rnowak>caker: I will be joining you in the ranks of pilots around end of year, iirc \o/
22:25<Kyhwana>jmc: anyway, whats so hard? Just spin up a linode, setup the lamp stuff, copy your code over and bam, off you go
22:25<dwfreed>caker: nice
22:25<@caker>rnowak: nice!!
22:25<Kyhwana>(and then get haxed if you haven't been pulling the security fixes from the current releases back)
22:25<@caker>rnowak: where are you flying out of, and in what?
22:25<jmc><kyhwana> ffor a non-tech person its not so easy :-s
22:25<Katana>wasn't there a string of hackings of WP 3.2 installs lately anyways?
22:26<Katana>and god forbid if you had timthumb anywhere on your server
22:26<Kyhwana>Katana: yup
22:26<jmc>I'm concerned about emails, db, etc. --- so we move it all?
22:26<PeteMall1>Katana: no 3.2 related hacks
22:26<PeteMall1>timthub yes
22:27<Kyhwana>jmc: er, if you're moving from dreamhost, then yeah? Including any DNS stuff you have and so on
22:27<Katana> errrr
22:27<Kyhwana>But your best shot would be the forums, to find someone to do the work for you, but it won't be free
22:28<PeteMall1>Katana: WP was not the source of the hack for that attack vector
22:28<dzho>caker: had a late in-law that flew every chance he could get, from the grass strip next to his house
22:28<PeteMall1>it was related to a plugin iirc
22:28<bob2>if you have no idea what you're doing, it's a terrible idea to try to
22:28<Katana>why uploads are being served directly in the first place is beyond me
22:28<bob2>move from dreamhost to an unmanaged vps
22:28<rnowak>caker: no idea in what yet, will be discussing everything in a few days - and not sure what you mean with out of? Will be the very first certificate that you can get for small planes
22:29<jmc>what are u talking about <bob2>?
22:29<dzho>went up once in each of his cloth-covered tail-dragger trainer and low-wing twin-engine cruiser
22:29<@Praefectus>rnowak: where are you flying out of, as in what airport
22:29<jmc><kyhwana> can we pm for like 2 mins?
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22:30<bob2>jmc, you need to find a managed hosting company
22:30<Kyhwana>no.. I don't offer paid services.. and as bob2 said, moving from managed to unmanaged VPS if you don't know what you're doing (and don't have the time/patience/ability to learn) is a bad idea
22:30<bob2>or an admin to do all this for you
22:30<bob2>and to set up a dev instance of wordpress
22:30<@caker>dzho: it is quite wonderful. Through-the-fence airport access is about my ultimate dream :)
22:31<@caker>rnowak: awesome. Yeah - let me know how it goes
22:31<jmc><bob2> is linode not a managed hosting co.?
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22:31<@caker>jmc: Linode is self-managed.
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22:31<rnowak>caker, Praefectus: the "flight school", whatever you'd call it, is using ESME, Eslov, outside of Malmo, in Sweden
22:32<Kyhwana>jmc: nope, linode does un managed VPSes
22:32<jmc>ok so what options do we have?
22:32<jmc>besides linode?
22:32<jmc>for a managed hosting co.?
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22:32<jmc>not shitty like DH
22:33<Craighton>Is there a way to retrieve a specific file from a backup?
22:33<Kyhwana>I'm sure there's loads of managed hosters
22:33<bob2>Craighton, restore the backup, mount, cp
22:33<dzho>jmc: thing is, DH seemed fine until they hit this recent wall, right?
22:33<jmc>3 days going on 4! is not a WALL :-S
22:33<dzho>whatever you want to call it.
22:33<Craighton>ugh I don't want to restore because I'll lose too much - oh well I'll just start over
22:34<jmc>SOOO..we cant trust them anymore..
22:34<bob2>jmc, url for outage notification from 3 days ago?
22:34<@Perihelion>Craighton: You can't shrink your disk image down and restore to the linode?
22:34<bob2>Craighton, ?
22:34<rnowak>caker: if you don't mind, how long did it take you to get the certificate? I will be looking at craming in as many hours as possible during the summer
22:34<bob2>Craighton, you can restore to another linode, or if you have enough space, to an existing one
22:34<Craighton>ah I guess I could do that
22:34<Craighton>good point
22:35<jmc><bob2> i'll give u better, its been happening since the 23rd:
22:35<jmc><Kyhwana> can u gimme some examples that are better reputed than DH?
22:35<dzho>bob2: Kyhwana also posted a status URL above. Looks like quite the horror.
22:35<bob2>jmc, I don't see anywhere that suggests anything has been down for 3 days
22:35<mwalling>stop wrapping in < >
22:36<rnowak>exactly what bob2 said
22:36<Kyhwana>nope, I don't use managed hosting, so I don't know
22:36<mwalling>bob2: he's the second one today to say the same thing
22:36<jmc><bob2> u are not v smart.
22:36<bob2>I guess I don't care
22:36<bdube>rnowak: do that, it helps a lot and saves money
22:36<bob2>jmc, ok
22:36<bob2>jmc, thx
22:36<jmc>what about slicehost vs. dreamhost? or hostmonster
22:37<mwalling>jmc: slicehost is a knockoff of linode
22:37<jmc>so self-managed i guess...
22:37<@Perihelion>And is really Rackspace
22:37<mwalling>(who sold out to rackspace)
22:37<dzho>slicehost is unmanaged, and also . . . what Perihelion said.
22:37<dzho>I've known people to use bluehost and knownhost
22:37<jmc>we want managed for sure. what about hostmonster and liquiid web?
22:38<mwalling>jmc: you see the top of your window says "Linode community support" right?
22:38<@Perihelion>You may want to try looking on webhostingtalk (it's a forum)
22:38<jmc>DREAMHOST sucks...
22:38<@Perihelion>You're going to get a lot of biased opinions here :)
22:38<rnowak>and it all agrees with that Perihelion is awesome
22:38<jmc>yeah i know..but as u can see linode is not an option for us..cause we are looking for managed s...
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22:39<rnowak>poor, poor managed solution, how do they even dare to bother
22:39<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
22:39<dzho>going out on a limb here, but it's a bit like going into a kosher deli and asking who makes the best bacon in town.
22:39<rnowak>solutions, too
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22:39<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
22:39<@Praefectus>mmmm kosher bacon
22:39<jmc>sorry got disconnected
22:39<rnowak>mmm k -- damn you Praefectus
22:39<@Perihelion>Sure, but I'm just letting you know that this probably isn't the place to get the answers you seek.
22:40<jmc>ok fine. thanks guys
22:40<dzho>jmc: good luck
22:40<jmc>thank you!
22:40<jmc>ye all
22:40<dzho>jmc: if you do find someone you're happy with, eventually, let us know
22:40<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
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22:43<rnowak>this flight club's estimation for getting a certificate is 3 to 12 months, hopefully I'll manage closer to 3 than 12 \o/
22:43<@Praefectus>i read that as "this fight club's" at first glance
22:43<rnowak>I was expecting at least someone to do ;p
22:43<@Perihelion>I did too
22:43<dzho>so, what is the first rule of flight club?
22:43<rnowak>what would you call it in english, it is flygklubb in swedish, literally, flight club
22:44<@Perihelion>You only have too much fuel when you're on fire.
22:44<@Perihelion>rnowak: Maybe flight school?
22:44<rnowak>I guess
22:44<@Perihelion>Flying club seems to imply something different
22:45<Kyhwana>fight club while flying?
22:45<rnowak>now, I've got two different ideas for that, one normal, and one because the internet has ruined my mind
22:45<dzho>does one join as a member, or simply pay tuition and expenses?
22:45<@Praefectus>"flying club" == mile high club?
22:45<dzho>I've heard of folks owning partial shares in a plane, that sort of thing.
22:45<rnowak>dzho: both, kind of - you can just do the latter, though. I guess that depends on the actual... organization, though
22:46<dzho>"co-op" short for "co-operative" might also be an applicable analog
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22:46<rnowak>what I meant was in form of a flight school, so I guess that's a better term to use
22:46<dzho>"coop" might be an unfortunate way of rendering that, given the context :)
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22:47<rnowak> look at that awesome logo
22:47<Kyhwana>When will linode have a DC in one of those solar powered floating platform thingies?
22:48<@Praefectus>Kyhwana: as soon as my orbital platform is compelte
22:48<@Praefectus>complete, too
22:49<Kyhwana>Will it have v6 off the bat?
22:49<@Praefectus>v8 as well
22:49<ajmitch>linode needs a DC in the land of the long white cloud
22:49<Kyhwana>ajmitch: hah! yes..
22:49<rnowak>ajmitch: tibet?
22:49<Kyhwana>rnowak: wat, no
22:50<ajmitch>rnowak: NZ
22:50<rnowak>oh, that, I was not aware, had to google
22:50<rnowak>aotearoa, cute
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22:50<rnowak>this day became meaningful again, I learned something \o/
22:53<Katana>is anyone watching what's going on with the Daytona 500, and the baptism by fire it just got
22:54<Kyhwana>yeah, car crashed into the back of the cleaning truck thing
22:54<Katana>the jet dryer, yeah.
22:54<Katana>diesel fuel + 200 gals of jet fuel, everywhar
22:54<mwalling>he wanted flames on the jet dryer
22:54<Katana>aaand then suddenly ignition source.
22:55<Katana>jet fuel burns high.
22:55<mwalling>i liked the safety worker standing in the fuel when another roll of flame comes down the track
22:55<rnowak>anyone got seriously hurt?
22:55<Katana>nobody, luckily
22:55<dzho>rnowak: speaking of diesel, it is fun to read that your flying club has put one in one of their planes
22:55<mwalling>they took the truck driver to the local hospital for further observation
22:56<dzho>a Diesel engine, that is.
22:56<mwalling>dzho: buh wut?
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22:58<rnowak>dzho: heh
22:58*dzho was looking to see how it was organized, whether the club runs the FBO or what.
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22:59<rnowak>ESME's a small field, but I have very limited knowledge about air machinae infrastructure operations
23:01<dzho>as best I can tell, the club offers a maintenance operation, but not fuel
23:01<bdube>ha a C172 with FADEC
23:01<mwalling>next time FOX shows a replay of montoya going bang, if you can listen on a 5.1 system... its erie
23:02<mwalling>you can hear the jet dryer going by the mic array, and then it overspeed after impact
23:02<mwalling>oh, and the *fwooomp*
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23:05<mwalling>i think danaka had to go pee
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23:06<@caker>rnowak: I did it in 5 months, then another few weeks to schedule my checkride due to weather and stuff
23:06<rnowak>caker: ah, cool
23:07<@caker>that was pretty aggressive, from what I understand. I was going twice a week or so
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23:09<rnowak>Guess I'll be aiming at half a year or so. Will know more in a few days, but pretty damn excited about it.
23:10<@caker>awesome :) is this just for fun, or a career thing, or what?
23:10<linbot>New news from forums: Single linode, lots of Priv In spikes? in Performance and Tuning <>
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23:10<rnowak>caker: just for fun
23:11*synapt thinks fremont just hiccup'd pretty good
23:11<@caker>Fremont was fine. It was the Internet.
23:11<Kyhwana>wtf is with people complainging about ipv6 "siking" up to 140BITS/SEC
23:11*Kyhwana rageface
23:11<synapt>it be dem darn anonymous boys attackin dem root srvrs
23:11*synapt took far too much effort to type that
23:11<rnowak>oh noes
23:11<imMute>Kyhwana: "siking" ??
23:12<Kyhwana>see above forum post
23:12<synapt>I know right? Mine spikes to 90Kbit/s once a day
23:12<synapt>don't see me complainin
23:12<rnowak>mah presiooos transferz
23:13<Kyhwana>the bits, they be leaking
23:13<rnowak>Linodia Cloud Piping and Plumbing
23:13<synapt>I just like that my CPU graph generally would double well as a spectrum analyzer
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23:14*ajmitch has ipv6 spiking up around 10Mbps
23:14<synapt>10 Mbit? Now that's definitely more than I've ever got
23:14<rnowak>10Mbps, for a fraction of a second? (:
23:14<rnowak>the devil's in the details
23:15<synapt>I think most I've ever had in the random spikes were around 200Kbit, not counting the ones where I'm grabbing updates anyways
23:15<ajmitch>sure, sustained rate is only a few Mbps, mostly transfers between home & linode
23:21<kiteplans>this is kind of analytics question - would moving a server to a new host / new IP have an effect on your search engine rank and all those things?
23:21<rnowak>it really is "maybe"
23:21<kiteplans>we recently moved one of our sites over to a new IP and we have seen a drop in traffic, my logic says is should not affect it at all
23:21<rnowak>and if you ask how so, "I don't know"
23:22<rnowak>and no one but gewgle does either
23:22<kiteplans>same answers here if you would ask me
23:22<rnowak>but, it would be pretty stupid if they penalized for something like that - as loadbalancing would screw things up seriously, if done via DNS
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23:23<kiteplans>so I am just waiting for some final answers on privacy questions from the linode staff and then I can start my server setup and move my sites over to linode and hopefully never have to move again
23:23<kiteplans>yeah that makes alot of sense - it would be stupid
23:23<rnowak>Praefectus leaves pizza leftovers all over the place in your filesystem
23:24<rnowak>makes quite a mess tbh
23:24<kiteplans>but I have noticed it every time I move our site to a new ip
23:24<@Praefectus>sometimes with supergrasy peperoni
23:24<rnowak>yeah, that's the worst
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