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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-02-28

---Logopened Tue Feb 28 00:00:22 2012
00:01<dwfreed>First :P
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00:04<Katana>i like how i started the "first" thing with the logs
00:04<Katana>this amuses me
00:05<Daevien>dwfreed: seriously? are you 10 and get off on being hte first in the log?
00:05<dwfreed>Daevien: no, just messing aroud; chesty did it last night, iirc
00:06<Daevien>if chesty jumped off a bridge or slept with mwalling, would you too? :p
00:06<Katana>dwfreed: i like how he's so outraged at not being the first one in the log
00:06<Katana>his usual hissyfit
00:07<@Perihelion>I bet mwalling is a snuggler.
00:07<Daevien>eh? who katana?
00:07<dwfreed>Daevien: um, maybe? depends on what I get out of it :P
00:07<Katana>Perihelion: do you have inside information
00:07<@Perihelion>I do not.
00:07<Daevien>dwfreed: diseases on the second part probably. ones tha tmake you make strange networked devices
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00:07<Katana>did you bribe someone who knows him for this information
00:07<dwfreed>Daevien: heh
00:07<Katana>we need a new wiki. mwallingleaks
00:07<oakMT>ohai dwfreed
00:08<dwfreed>oakMT: ohai
00:08<dwfreed>Why does java have to such a resource hog?
00:08<@Perihelion>Jingle bells, heckman smells, Praefectus laid an egggggg
00:08<dwfreed>Perihelion: lol
00:08<@Praefectus>at least you got part of that right
00:08<@Perihelion>Why does dwfreed have to such a English fail?
00:09<@Praefectus>no finish school maybe?
00:09<dwfreed>Perihelion: wow, just noticed that, thanks
00:09<Kyhwana>dwfreed: what
00:09<dwfreed>Kyhwana: ?
00:09<@Perihelion>Perihelion: ?
00:10<Kyhwana>its 6pm when your said first?
00:10<dwfreed>Kyhwana: yeah, here it was just past midnight
00:10<Kyhwana>+was. stupid phone making me skip words
00:11<Daevien>Kyhwana: the entire world is not in your timezone you know :p
00:11<dwfreed>And those logs should probably be moved off of
00:11<Kyhwana>dwfreed: are they on fremont?
00:11<@Perihelion>dwfreed: Been googling? :>
00:12<dwfreed>Perihelion: not recently, but we don't want that incident to happen again, do we?
00:12<@Perihelion>That was hilarious
00:12<@Perihelion>Okay, brb sleep
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00:17<chesty>Katana: when did you first use first after the log change, because that has been going on for years, and I don't remember you being here years ago
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00:17<linbot>Kyhwana: Point (0.57917621, 0.14541662) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108747 of 138063 (π ≈ 3.150648616935747 - 0.009055963345954). http://π
00:18<Kyhwana>no more autopi
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00:21<Daevien>chesty: he's a new troll. er, channel occupant
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00:25<Katana>chesty: i carved it into the cave wall
00:25<@Praefectus>pics or it didn't happen
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00:29<dwfreed>!apropos onjoin
00:29<linbot>dwfreed: No appropriate commands were found.
00:29<dwfreed>monodemono: ohai
00:29<monodemono>oh nipplez
00:30<linbot>monodemono: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
00:30<Katana>Praefectus: itym cave records
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00:40<Guest4323>hi can someone help me troubleshoot a dns problem on my linode?
00:41<dwfreed>!ask Guest4323
00:41<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
00:41<dwfreed>JoeK: nice
00:41<Guest4323>nslookup is returning SERVFAIL on my linode
00:42<dwfreed>Guest4323: that happens a lot because the US government fails at DNSSEC
00:43<Guest4323>(googling dnssec...
00:43<avenj>amongst other things.
00:44<Kyhwana>what resolvers are you using?
00:44<Guest4323>we it is resolving just fine on my home machine
00:44<dwfreed>Guest4323: because Linode's resolvers that they provide for you to use from your Linode verify DNSSEC stuff, and whatever resolver you use from home doesn't
00:44<Kyhwana>huh, fails in my dallas node using the dallas resolvers
00:45<Guest4323> &
00:45<Guest4323>should i just add google's dns in here?
00:46<dwfreed>Guest4323: if you want to be able to access from your linode within the next few hours, yes, that's necessary
00:46<dwfreed>(you can use any resolver you want, so long as it doesn't verify DNSSEC)
00:46<Guest4323>ok. ok so just add it to resolv.conf? do i have to do anythign else?
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00:47<EugeneKay>dig a +dnssec works fine for me ?
00:48<dwfreed>hmm, must have just fixed it
00:48<Guest4323>ok googleok thank worked. thanks.
00:49<EugeneKay>Probably a slow cron job on the fresh keys?
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00:49<dwfreed>I bet still has some cache that hasn't expired yet, as that still reports servfail
00:50<EugeneKay> also comes back with CHAIN OK, though it has some whinings about the TTL and use of NSEC instead of NSEC3
00:51<dwfreed>Heh, only difference between NSEC and NSEC3 is NSEC allows anybody to walk the zone
00:51<EugeneKay>Like I said, whinings :-p
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00:53<dwfreed>hmm, the RRSIG's TTL on the A records is 60, so any cache should have been flushed by now
00:54<dwfreed>then again, it's probably the NS record RRSIGs that are broken
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01:14<dpom>hello all, i am having dns problems and so i edited my /etc/resolve.conf and fixed it but i just noticed it go right back to the way it was
01:15<dpom>does anyone know if there is some automatic service that edits /etc/resolve.conf ?
01:15<rnowak>are you using dhcp or static?
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01:21<EugeneKay>resolveconfd, or some variation thereof
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01:23<kiteplans>does anyone have experience with changing my payment method - can I start paying with paypal now and then switch to a credit card later?
01:24<Katana>paypal isn't accepted
01:24<Kyhwana>no paypal
01:24<Kyhwana>paypal vare evil
01:24<bob2>you can change your credit card details yourself via the web thing
01:24<bob2>you can switch to annual billing via ticket
01:24<Kyhwana>did you know you cant pay for a vps with paypal if you host porn on it?
01:24<Kyhwana>(legal porn)
01:25<Kyhwana>you also cant accept/pay for "erotic" art with paypal.. theyll "cease" it and keep your money
01:25<EugeneKay>Yes, because PayPal are a bag of dicks
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01:25<EugeneKay>It's why I refuse to accept money through them(including selling shtuff on eBay)
01:26<kiteplans>wow I did not know linode cant accept paypal - just saw it in the FAW
01:26<kiteplans>why is that? most other hosts can
01:26<EugeneKay>Because they don't want to
01:27<bob2>Fraudcentral, USA
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01:27<Katana>because paypal is a giant fraud
01:28<Katana>actually, the source itself:
01:28<EugeneKay>You know what's more lulzy? Selling a $2500 antique on eBay
01:28<@Praefectus>kiteplans: if you have the paypal credit card, you can use that
01:28<Kyhwana>kiteplans: I just said why
01:29<dwfreed>I had paypal mark 3 transactions of mine as suspicious, for no reason at all
01:29<Kyhwana>also paypal has a retarded seller/buyer thing.. where one can rip the other off, etc
01:29<EugeneKay>I use PayPal for buying 99c trinkets on eBay and other similarly small purchase where it's all somebody will take.
01:29<EugeneKay>Anything more than that is a recipe for getting taken to the cleaners
01:29<kiteplans>Praefectus: saw that thanks
01:29<kiteplans>Kyhwana: thanks I saw!
01:30<Katana>see that photo
01:30<Katana>THAT'S WHAT THEY DO
01:30<linbot>I read in the FAQ you don't take paypal. Do you take paypal?
01:30<Katana>why paypal why
01:30<EugeneKay>It is, however, a lot better than everybody and their mother running their own Visa machine
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01:32<rnowak>that trigger is great
01:33<kiteplans>have any of you ever used Amazon EC2?
01:33<EugeneKay>Yes; it's crap.
01:33<Katana>for ten minutes
01:33<rnowak>is there an actual question that you wonder, or just doing a general survey?
01:34<kiteplans>thats what I have gathered after a lot of research - it seems good when you start looking but the deeper you dig the more bad things you find
01:35<EugeneKay>If you can afford to build a cloud solution(need to rapidly scale / reallocate resources) on top of their API platform it can be rather good. But other than that..... it's crap.
01:36<EugeneKay>The basic problem is one of reliability - perhaps 99.99% of the time, it works just fine. And with one instance, 99.99% is great.
01:37<EugeneKay>If you have, say, 100 pieces involved, that's an uptime rating of .9999^100 = 99%, tops.
01:37<EugeneKay>If you have 1000 pieces(not unhread of), then it's down to 90%.
01:37<kiteplans>everyone I have spoken to who has run some instances for a while said that they have all had mysterious instance resets or shutdowns and things
01:38<EugeneKay>If you assume a more cynical 99% availability rate... well, you do the math.
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01:40<kiteplans>so you are all happy at linode?
01:41<Katana>i demand my 2gb server with 9000 ipv4 addrs for free still.
01:41<kiteplans>Sorry for all the questions - I am just waiting for the billing department to get payment done so I can start - I have always wanted to move to linode but never had the budget - finally!
01:42<rnowak>I'm never happy
01:42<kiteplans>looking forward to being part of the community!
01:42<@Praefectus>Katana: you missed the signup period by 2 hours
01:42<rnowak>there's a what now?
01:42*EugeneKay sticks rnowak with a syringe
01:42<rnowak>happi tiems
01:42<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡/(.□ . \)
01:42<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
01:43<kiteplans>are you all from the US or all over the world?
01:43<EugeneKay>I must be missing out on some sort of injoke
01:43<@Praefectus>!table <flipping table EugeneKay
01:43<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
01:43<EugeneKay>US and A is second-best country in world, after Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
01:43<Katana>EugeneKay: just missing out on SUPREME RAEG
01:44<kiteplans>I am from South Africa but living in China - working for an American Company
01:44<rnowak>I am from the Holy People's Democratic Republic of Swedenistan
01:45<PeteMall1>Republic of Wadiya
01:45<Katana>I am from the Internet.
01:45<rnowak>Katana: you're from weeaboolandia
01:45<Katana>rnowak: URUSAI.
01:45*Praefectus has triple-citizenship
01:45<rnowak>Praefectus: italian, american, and fcking annoying?
01:45<@Praefectus>LINODIA FOOL, BOW DONW
01:45<@Praefectus>DOWN too
01:46<@Praefectus> rnowak and his dentist
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01:48<kiteplans>ok so tell me if I understand this correctly - on you linode - you can have different images - on different partitions - and then boot your linode to one of those at a time?
01:48<rnowak>Praefectus: was a bitch fixing that hole up
01:48<@Praefectus>i bet it was, he should have used a smaller chisel and a bigger rock
01:49<Katana>personally i'd have used duct tape on him
01:52<kiteplans>and do you use the Linode DNS or your own?
01:52<EugeneKay>I use my own - that's my primary justification for having two Linodes.
01:52<dwfreed>Heh, I run everything from one 512
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01:52*rnowak stare
01:53<dwfreed>I'll be glad when I can get rid of Bamboo, though
01:53<pinterface>I have Linode's DNS servers slave off my own (hidden master).
01:53<kiteplans>dwfreed: do you run some kind of control panel?
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01:53<rnowak>he said the c word
01:53<dwfreed>kiteplans: nope, I manage my whole system myself
01:53<kiteplans>I always use Virtualmin - just makes my life easier
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01:55*Kyhwana rage at cpanelas
01:55*EugeneKay tries to remember when his referral bonuses are coming due
01:56<@Praefectus><3 cPanel
01:59<purrdeta>cpanel is fairly cool
01:59<@Praefectus>i find that people who hate cPanel hate money
02:00<@Praefectus>hows you been purrdeta? haven't seen you in a bit
02:01<purrdeta>Pretty good. Still jobless but meh about that for now.
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02:01<@Praefectus>werent you in school?
02:01<purrdeta>I still am, which is why the jobless thing isnt a big deal lol
02:01<purrdeta>Should graduate in december, in fact.
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02:21<chesty>hose eh
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02:25<linbot>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
02:25<Kyh_>fail kitty
02:25<dwfreed>Kyh_: no, fail font :)
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02:25<dwfreed>that or you set the translation wrong
02:26<Kyh_>dwfreed: default kitty install
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02:26<dwfreed>Kyh_: yeah, the default translation is latin1 or the like, iirc; you'll want to switch that to UTF-8
02:28<dwfreed>Also, you'll want a font with lots of Unicode characters; consolas has practically all of UCS-2, and isn't that ugly
02:29<Kyh_>works fine on my linux box at work :|
02:30<dwfreed>Because most linux terminal emulators are already Unicode-aware
02:30<EugeneKay>dwfreed - ISO-8859-1
02:31<dwfreed>aka latin1 in MySQL terms
02:33*Kyh_ santorums
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02:35<Jose>is there a way i can monitor my memory usage on the fly
02:35<@Praefectus>free -m
02:36<Kyh_>what Praefectus said
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02:46<marius>On the fly? Why not on the CLOUD
02:46<@Praefectus>marius: don't you have some joomla stuff to work on?
02:47<marius>No, today I'm working on custom crap
02:47<marius>Mainly because I am ignoring the joomla stuff I should be working on =(
02:47<@Praefectus>so joomla modules huh?
02:47<marius>hah, they wish
02:47<marius>I only do WP plugins, fuck joomla.
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02:48<marius>joomla theme engine is a fucking nightmare, a disgrace even
02:48<marius>Having to manually write the menu creation walker? What kinda theme engine is that
02:48<marius>in wp; wp_menus(); boom, properly nested menu generated
02:49<EugeneKay>Something something <div>
02:50<marius>I was going to show how nightmareish the joomla way of showing a menu was
02:50<marius>but I deleted that shit
02:50<marius>but basically you need a folder called "modules" in your theme
02:50<marius>and inthere a file named menu.php
02:50<marius>which again needs ot build the entire menu
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02:50<marius>THEN you call the menu with some obscur function in the actual theme file
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03:20<mdcollins>Do name server changes take affect immediately?
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03:21<Kyh_>depends on the TTL
03:21<Kyh_> I think
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03:23<synapt>mdcollins: if you mean linode's nameservers, they update every 15 on the hour
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03:23<mdcollins>Well, I realize the records can take up to the ttl time to change, but it seems that the nameserver info changes immediately to anyone that doesnt have the record cached.
03:24<mdcollins>At least according to the dns propagation website I checked one of my domains on.
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03:24<Narasimha>Dear Team, again regarding www.JaffaNews.come
03:25<Narasimha>Can you please dig the domain name servers of it. Godaddy is saying it pointed to Linode servers
03:25<synapt>Narasimha: IPtools is saying
03:25<synapt>which is godaddy
03:26<Narasimha>I am trying since 3 days
03:26<Narasimha>but still there is no resolution.
03:26<Kyh_>Narasimha: It's still showing godaddy's NS records
03:27<Narasimha>Godaddy is messing up the things
03:28<Kyh_>nothing linode can do
03:28<Narasimha>OK Thank U
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04:04<hilaby>hello, guy i got a linode box
04:04<hilaby>there is some extra space
04:04<hilaby>if i click on the "Deploy a Linux Distribution" and use that extra space to deploy on my extra space .. what happens?
04:05<GLaDOSDan>you'll have two distributions on your Linode
04:05<hilaby>does that becomes my new server with the old IP?
04:05<GLaDOSDan>you can only boot into one at any one time
04:05<hilaby>oh .. ok .. got it
04:06<hilaby>thanks GLaDOSDan ..
04:06<hilaby>you have been helpful
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04:25<Knight>rather dull eh
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06:01<linbot>New news from forums: Updatin/Upgrading MySql in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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07:16*Gladiator waves
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07:23*Praefectus thumbs down
07:25<hawk>Is it just me or is there a disturbance in the v6 routing between the newark and london DCs?
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07:48<Gladiator>hi Jose
07:49<Jose>hi, is it possible to get files from another vps from my linode?
07:49<Jose>i'm trying scp, but it keeps giving me a 'Host key verification failed'
07:50<auraka>Jose: thats because the host key you have for that hostname/ip doesn't match up
07:51<auraka>Jose: ssh-keygen -R <host or ip you are trying to scp to>
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07:58<Jose>when I tried to scp again, it asked me to verify the rsa key, but I'm still getting the 'Host key verification failed' even with the new known_hosts
07:59<Jose>thanks by the way
07:59<auraka>somewhere that ip/name is in your known hosts can edit it manually
08:00<auraka>look through it....or you can remove it outright
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08:21<Jose>read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address seems to be the culprit, anyone know how to fix this?
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08:34<Nivex>orville: who died?
08:38<orville>Nivex: the night.
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08:40<Nivex>do you mourn its loss every day?
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09:07<Karrde>because the night
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09:13<orville>Nivex: matter of fact, i've started to recently :-)
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09:42<linbot>New news from forums: phl : user NOT in sudoers in General Discussion <>
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09:55<Jose>anyone here?
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09:55<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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09:56<solipsist>are there any guides for setting up a blog engine on linode?
09:56<solipsist>or can anyone recommend a simple howto?
09:56<solipsist>I have apache installed.
09:56<jouke>I'm currently experiencing errors using the api
09:56<@caker>jouke: what error?
09:56<jouke>I g et a 'the requested class does not exist' on ip_list
09:57<Jose>I was setting permissions using chmod and accidentally hit enter on "chmod -R 0707 /". I wasn't able to type in the full directory, and it got to proc before I was able to stop it. Is there anything I can do to undo this?
09:57<jouke>Jose: no
09:57<@caker>jouke: I'll have a look in a bit - sounds like a bug
09:58<jouke>I've been using the exact same script successfully for months now, so it's probably on the linode side
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09:59<jouke>thanks for looking, I'll stick around
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10:04<solipsist>caker ty
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10:05<orville>question. if i 'init 1' then 'init 3' will this count as a reboot for the purposes of terminating everything that is using libssl?
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10:05<Narasimha>Dear Team, This is again regarding Jaffanews.come. I got an update from Godaddy and below is the update. Can someone please help me. I feel something went wrong with my setup on Linode.
10:05<Narasimha>Update from Godaddy:Thank you for your reply. I checked with an external source for the domain JAFFFANEWS.COM. The external source reports that the domain name is pointing to the correct nameservers you have set up on the domain in the Domain Manager. However, once the domain reaches the hosting servers, it encounters an error, "Refused! [took 7 ms]. Response: The DNS server reported that it refuses to respond to the query. There's a problem with the D
10:06<squircle>!dig ns
10:06<linbot>squircle: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 3600 IN NS | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION
10:06<dominikh>still using their nameservers.
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10:06<squircle>Narasimha: still godaddy's problem. see that up there ^^
10:06<dominikh>wondering how full of shit they are.
10:06<squircle>SO full of shit
10:06<Narasimha>yeah...they were is trying to reach Linode servers..but it is rejecting
10:07<squircle>Narasimha: did you follow this:
10:07<Narasimha>is there any way to solve this?
10:07<squircle>Narasimha: ^^
10:07<hawk>Narasimha: Is it two or three f's? In the quoted text there are three...
10:08<hawk>Narasimha: But in the first bit of what you wrote there is two
10:08<@irgeek>JAFFFANEWS.COM does point to our nameservers. JAFFANEWS.COM does not.
10:08<Narasimha>let me give the server name I setup
10:09<Narasimha>two ff's
10:09<squircle>Narasimha: are you the "Gulf Drug Establishment"?
10:09<squircle>in Dubai?
10:09<Narasimha>in India
10:09<Narasimha>U can see the content here
10:10<squircle>well then the nameservers are still godaddy's
10:10<squircle>godaddy support screwed up
10:10<Narasimha>Local website
10:10<squircle>Narasimha: follow this article:
10:10<@irgeek>Narasimha: JAFFFANEWS.COM - note 3 Fs in the name - is registered to an address in India.
10:10<@irgeek>Narasimha: JAFFANEWS.COM - note 2 Fs in the name - is registered to an address in Dubai
10:11<Narasimha>one sec please
10:11<@irgeek>Narasimha: JAFFFANEWS.COM - note 3 Fs in the name - was registered Feb 25 2012
10:11<@irgeek>Narasimha: JAFFANEWS.COM - note 2 Fs in the name - was registered Jul 06 2005
10:12<hawk>The FFF one is delegated to the Linode nameservers (but there is no such zone created there it seems), the FF one is delegated elsewhere
10:12<Narasimha>something went wrong with registration
10:12<Narasimha>thank U for finding
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10:13<dominikh>nice catch.
10:13<@akerl>irgeek is full of awesome like that
10:15<Narasimha>thank U
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10:39<Brandon_>Hey there!
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10:41<jouke>@caker: any news?
10:41<@caker>jouke: looking into it now
10:41<squircle>Brandon_: hello!
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10:43<mg>i've got a chmod question. hopefully this isn't too OT. There's a directory on my server that I can't cd into, I think it's because the perms are drwxrws--- instead of drwxrwx---. How do I make that change?
10:44<squircle>it's not OT at all
10:44<Brandon_>Questions for anyone willing to help: Debian 6 64bit Profile running on Linode… and it is Caching a WordPress install. Anyone know why?
10:44<Jonis>whats that, 770?
10:44<Jonis>my chmod is very rusty
10:44<squircle>it's got the sticky bit, methinks
10:45<Jonis>chattr -s?
10:45*Jonis goes to play around
10:46<@caker>jouke: it's working for me. Can I have a LinodeID or something else to look for your requests with?
10:48<@akerl>mg: What user/group owns that directory, and what user/group are you?
10:48<@akerl>Brandon_: I'm not sure what the question is there? Because it's been configured to?
10:49<@akerl>mg: s vs x for group permissions is generally used so that new files under that directory automatically become the group of the directory
10:50<mg>akerl: the group is www-data. it's a directory for uploaded files from the site.
10:50<Jonis>whats your user group when you log in?
10:50<mg>akerl,Jonis: it's a group called cinsider
10:51<@akerl>mg: Are you in the www-data group?
10:51<mg>akerl: no.
10:51<mg>akerl: just cinsider.
10:51<mg>akerl: could i change this with sudo?
10:51<@akerl>That's why, then. rwxrws--- is "Owner can do anything, group can do anything and is applied to new files, other can do nothing"
10:52<Brandon_>@akerl -> Not caching installed at the WP level.
10:52<@akerl>You have a couple options. You can add read/execute to the directory (only read for files inside!) for other, you can add yourself to the www-data group, etc
10:53<@akerl>Brandon_: A) I'd double check that, but I'm assuming you have, B) At the web server level?
10:53<@akerl>Our stock debian image isn't getting bored and deciding to cache things, so it's something that's been configured since deployment
10:54<Brandon_>A) Double,Triple checked… B) Not that I am aware of. Caching is not install by default is it?
10:54<mg>akerl: is there any risk to adding my user to www-data? if not, how do i do it? i tried useradd, but i got command not found.
10:54<@akerl>Brandon_: No idea. What's the url that's being cached?
10:54<@akerl>mg: man usermod.
10:55<@akerl>and not really? I mean, it depends on your configuration, and everything should be considered, but it's probably better than adding other perms to the dir
10:55<@akerl>Brandon_: That is being sent with the header "Cache-Control: max-age=2592000"
10:55<@akerl>That's something your web server or wordpress does... debian isn't doing anything special to that
10:56<@akerl>I'd check your apache/php/wordpress again
10:56<Brandon_>Pretty sure it would be apache
10:56<jouke>@caker, I'll try again and give you an id
10:57<Brandon_>Just not sure where to beginning looking...
10:57<@akerl>Brandon_: For starters, pastebin your apache configs?
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11:00<jouke>caker: just tried again, the LinodeId for just that request was 176784
11:00<mg>akerl: hmm.. usermod: command not found akerl: "sudo usermod -G www-data cinsider" is having no effect.
11:01<mg>akerl: sorry, ignore the "command not found" part. usermod is having no effect.
11:04<Brandon_>OK, rookie question… How do I copy the contend of my apache2.conf using vi?
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11:05<@heckman>The entire thing, or just a few lines?
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11:05<Brandon_>entire thing
11:05<@heckman>To another file, or?
11:06<Brandon_>just want to be able to paste bin it
11:06<@heckman>Well, copying text in vim isn't going to put it in your local clipboard.
11:07<@heckman>Your best option would be to install something like pastebinit on your system and then cat to that
11:07<@akerl>Or just cat it and through it on the pastebin, for maximized laziness
11:07<Brandon_>oh boy… the rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper
11:07<@heckman>Brandon_: what distro you running?
11:08<Brandon_>debian 6 64bit
11:08<@heckman>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get install pastebinit -y
11:08<@heckman>run that as root ^
11:09<@heckman>Once it's all finished type this at your shell prompt: cat apache2.conf | pastebinit
11:09<rdavies>In wu-ftpd, Just want to lock a user in his home directory (it's a wordpress autoupdate login only, so only want it to see /var/www)
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11:10<@heckman>rdavies: specify that user's home folder to be /var/www
11:10<rdavies>yeah, it can still go up from there.
11:10<@heckman>Use SFTP and set up an SFTP jail?
11:10<rdavies>IE, i only want it to see folders below /var/www
11:11<@caker>jouke: it's 'linode.ip.list' not 'ip.list'
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11:16<mg>usermod isn't working for me, even if I sudo. id shows no change in my user's groups.
11:16<@akerl>mg: What's the command you're running?
11:17<mg>akerl: sudo usermod -a -G www-data cinsider
11:17<@heckman>syntax looks right to me
11:18<@akerl>Do you see www-data when you run `grep 'cinsider' /etc/group` ?
11:19<mg>akerl: oh! yes i do. but i still can't cd into the directory owned by that group.
11:20<@akerl>...? what does it say when you try to cd there?
11:20<mg>akerl: "Permission denied"
11:20<@akerl>double check the user/group on that dir?
11:20<@akerl>ls -l /path/to/where/it/is
11:21<@akerl>i bet it has user=www-data, but not group
11:21<jouke>caker: you are right, strange thing is that it used to work before
11:21<mg>akerl: oh. then maybe the group is aegir.
11:22<@akerl>That'd do it
11:22<@akerl>in ls -l, user shows up first, group after
11:22<@akerl>So you'd want to remove yourself from www-data, add yourself to aegit
11:23<mg>akerl: if the user is first, then group, then the user is aegir and the group is www-data.
11:24<@akerl>pastebin the full output from ls -la /that/path?
11:25<Brandon_>OK, Finally. Apache2.conf Pastebin. Nice trick @heckman
11:25<Brandon_>Anyone see anything that would cause caching???
11:25<mg>akerl: the directory of interest is files.
11:26<@heckman>mg: it's owned by the user aegir and the group www-data
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11:27<@akerl>mg: I'm assuming you can cd to the directory files is in without issue?
11:28<mg>akerl: yep, that's where i am now. that output is actually from "ls -la", so that's the view from the current directory.
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11:32<@akerl>mg: I just created a directory, gave it rwsrws--- perms, owned it to root:wheel, and can cd to it from a non-root user in group wheel
11:33<@akerl>So there's something funky going on with your situation
11:36<mg>akerl: I've taken over this server from another developer, and I think she had a lot of funky things going on. thanks for trying though.
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12:53<linbot>squircle: Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
12:53<linbot>squircle: Is Down -> Check if your website is up or down?
12:53<squircle>well, it works with the "www", but not without
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13:26<TheOldSchool>I am new here.. just setup an account a few days ago.
13:26<TheOldSchool>a quick question before i make myself at home
13:26<TheOldSchool>thank you
13:27<TheOldSchool>are chat logs posted online.
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13:34<linbot>New news from forums: nginx configuration full derp in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
13:35<squircle>they didn't seem to like that too much
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13:45<linbot>New news from blog: Native IPv6 Now Available in All Locations <>
13:45<npegg>Woohoo! \o/
13:46-!-mode/#linode [+v npegg] by Perihelion
13:48<staticsafe>AW YEAH
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13:52<EugeneKay>I said what what
13:52<EugeneKay>What's the prefix for Japan?
13:53<squircle>!dig aaaa
13:53<linbot>squircle: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN SOA 2012022813 7200 3600 2419200 86400
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13:56<@irgeek>squircle: Hosts don't have IPv6 just yet.
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13:56<squircle>i see
13:56<@irgeek>!sig aaaa
13:56<@irgeek>!dig aaaa
13:56<linbot>irgeek: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN AAAA 2400:8900::2 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS
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13:58<EugeneKay>So, the question I must ask myself now is: do I add a third Linode in Tokyo and go for very geographically redundant, or do I move my existing Newark one
14:00<@heckman>add...not that I'm biased or anything. :p
14:00<@irgeek>More is always better.
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14:13<Boohemian>how do i get inside a specific branch in a git repo?
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14:13<mwalling>check it out
14:13<Boohemian>mwalling: how? sorry, i'm new
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14:13<mwalling>no, because we told you how to check it out last time you asked
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14:14<mwalling>also, i showed you how to just download the revision you want from
14:14<Boohemian>mwalling: i did that
14:14<azaghal>Btw, the quarter-hour changes to zone files on Linode's DNS servers - is that like (for example): 20:00, then 20:15, then 20:30 etc?
14:14<@akerl>azaghal: Yes
14:14<Boohemian>but when i typed ./bootstrap, it said that i didn't have the file
14:14<mwalling>azaghal: think cron: */15 * * * *
14:15<azaghal>Ok, just wanted to make sure :)
14:15<Boohemian>mwalling: ah, i got it!
14:15<Boohemian>it was because i never did the initial git-clone!
14:15<Boohemian>mwalling: sorry, and thanks!
14:16<mwalling>read the damn git stuff
14:16<Boohemian>git is neat! :)
14:16<Boohemian>i am
14:16<mwalling>you're not, you're reading #linode
14:16<Boohemian>nope, i am, i just read about treeish
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14:44<bob2>woot ipv6
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14:45<bob2>ps it seems even very new nodes need a reboot for ipv6
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14:52<solipsist>this is a real newby question, but how do I enable cgi in every user's public_html dir?
14:53<bob2>that's probably an awful idea
14:54<bob2>why do you want that?
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15:07<xach>I paid for a month of VPS. Do I receive a notification when my rental time is close to or is expired?
15:08<rnowak>it is continuous automatic renewal unless you cancel it
15:08<retro|blah>xach: Your rental auto-renews on the 1st of the month
15:08<bob2>no, it rebills your credit card and sends oyu an invoice and bill
15:09<xach>Do I get an invoice over email?
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15:26<Finlay>my apache2 server on debian keeps refusing connections after about a week of uptime, restarting apache fixes it. I used to run out of memory and I put in the linode low-resources settings, where can I look to start debugging this?
15:27<danblack>apache logs
15:27<bob2>and kern.log
15:29<Finlay>looks like a lot of complaints about the vlogger script from ispconfig failing
15:31<bob2>but yes, read your logs
15:31<bob2>presumably apache is still OOM'ing
15:31<rnowak>poor apache, the hell it must live with
15:33<Finlay>yeah I use a cp because I have friends who run their own domains and manage their own dns on my server
15:33<Finlay>and it is nice not having to be root to do everything and restart services and have them edit their own shit
15:33<Finlay>without me having to know the kitchen sink to create a custom setup
15:34<Finlay>but I am aware that sometimes it will give me headaches. like now ><
15:34<rnowak>my condolences
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15:47<solipsist>bob2 so that all browser queries to a subdomain on my server get directed to my blog
15:47<solipsist>I don't need to do it that way, do I?
15:49*solipsist keeps thinking he needs to have a separate user for each subdomain, but supposes he can just make the root document a subdir of /srv/www/
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16:47<oakMT>Could anybody help me out a bit here? I'm making an Ircbot (Supybot) and im running the but it keeps saying EOL while scanning literal. What can I do to fix it? Does anybody know?
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16:49<smiler>Hi all
16:49<oakMT>do you know about IRCbots?
16:49<smiler>I'm looking for some advice
16:49<linbot>Don't ask to ask a question, don't ask if anybody's here, don't ask if anybody knows about $application, just ask the question (all in ONE line so that others can read and follow it easily). If anybody knows the answer, or can lead you on the right track, they'll reply. :)
16:50<squircle>oakMT: I'm guessing that's a python thing and not a supybot thing
16:50<oakMT>i am getting end of line of a section
16:51<bob2>solipsist, that's an insane way to do things
16:51<squircle>oakMT: are you forgetting a quotation mark somewhere?
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16:51<oakMT>if clean: previousInstall = os.path.join(get_python_lib(), 'supybot') if os.path.exists(previousInstall): try: print 'Removing current installation." shutil.rmtree(previousInstall) except Exception, e: print 'Couldn\'t remove former installation: %s' % e sys.exit(-1)
16:51<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:51<bob2>oakMT, let me guess
16:51<orville>ahem. hello.
16:51<bob2>you're using arch
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16:52<oakMT>i dont know bob2, im kind off a noob at all of this, am im trying to learn
16:53<oakMT>and get some experience
16:53<squircle>oakMT: what linux distribution are you using?
16:53<oakMT>i dont have linux
16:53<oakMT>I am going to get it though
16:53<smiler>I'm moving an app from heroku, I've spent 4 day's playing around with setting up a rackspace cloud server and decided that it's too much admin for the time I have available. How does linode compare from a domain configuration point of view with rackspace?
16:53<squircle>oakMT: then what operating system are you doing this on?
16:53<oakMT>It tells you a way to do it with windows
16:54<squircle>in #linode?!?!?!
16:54<bob2>smiler, linode, like you had at RS, is an unmanaged vps
16:54<bob2>oakMT, what does any of this have to do with linode
16:54<squircle>smiler: but we here in #linode are a lot more helpful :P
16:54<squircle>smiler: and what precisely do you mean by "domain configuration point of view"?
16:54<oakMT>oh, well, i thought you guys might know, cus dwfreed said you guys know alot about it
16:54<oakMT>ill leave now
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16:55<@caker>smiler: Linode has StackScripts that may make deployment a bit easier, depending on your needs. Also have the Linode Library, and the helpful community.
16:55*squircle takes a long stare at dwfreed
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16:55<smiler>What really threw me was the complexity of setting up a mail server, also a lack of cpu cores (only 1 on a 1024 server) which is limiting me as to the serices I want to use
16:56<squircle>smiler: you get four cores on a xeon processor with linode
16:56<squircle>moar coars!
16:56<dwfreed>squircle: I wasn't the only one; in fact, if you want somebody to blame, blame KyleXY; I believe it was actually his idea that he come here
16:56<smiler>@squircle - that's what is attracting me
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16:56<squircle>dwfreed: I was only kidding, fyi. I still would've helped him if I had any idea what the heck was going on
16:57<squircle>smiler: and don't set up your own mailserver unless you really really want/need to. it's far too complicated and will drain the life out of you.
16:57<smiler>lol :)
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16:57<smiler>but I need eail functionality for my rails app
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16:59<smiler>ut I guess I don;t need a mail server just the ability to send eMail
16:59<@caker>an outbound mailer is pretty easy
16:59<squircle>in fact, has guides on how to do it
17:00<smiler>thank's for the link, I'll check that out
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17:01<smiler>so apart from cpu cores (a big issue for me) and pricing there is not a huge amount of difference between rackspace and linode?
17:01<@caker>there are plenty of features that set us apart from them.
17:02<squircle>the linode manager!
17:02<squircle>and #linode
17:02<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:02<squircle>and bacon
17:02<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:02<voidmain>Hi everyone! Is there a way using only the linode's web interface to switch from paying monthly to yearly (with a discount)?
17:02<bob2>NOT TWITTER
17:02<bob2>voidmain, no, file a ticket
17:02<squircle>bob2: I'm sorry <3
17:03<smiler>I have to say the responses I have had in this channel are already making me feel more comfortable than the rather lonely job of setting up an ubuntu server on rackspace these last 5 day's
17:03<voidmain>thanks for info, Bob!
17:04<bob2>really wish i'd picked a nick in 2001 that matched my name :/
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17:07<smiler>is there a linode manager walk through anywhere that will give me an idea of what I'm missing oput on :)
17:07<@caker> ... and then all of these:
17:08<squircle>smiler: or screenshots here:
17:08<bob2>or just signup since there's a 7 day money back guarantee
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17:08<bob2>wait is signup a valid verb or not
17:08<@caker>bob2: no.
17:08<squircle>I think it's sign up
17:08*Kyhwana setup the signup then goes to login
17:09*bob2 backsup before he gets smackedup
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17:17<crd>Hey, I'm not entirely sure where I should direct this, but between 19:02 and 19:17 GMT, a linode subscriber was attempting an SSH brute force attack on my system.
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17:18<crd>Ah, thank you squircle.
17:20<Kyhwana>crd: it came from a linode IP?
17:20<crd>It came from
17:23<danblack>the IP is more reliable than the reverse dns lookup for it
17:24<linbot>squircle: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS2516; ASN owner: Block of 32 AS numbers from AS2497 to AS2528; Abuse contact(s):;; Country: Reserved;
17:24<squircle>ooh, tokyo
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17:28<crd>And it looks like they've got a history of abuse
17:29<squircle>dun dun duhhhhhh
17:29<crd>Oh the drama!
17:31<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:31<danblack>smiler: i'd ignore the bacon. what are the other priority functionality you require and what differences do you see?
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17:35<Katana>not listed in StopForumSpam though
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17:35<Katana>but if robtex has it flagged, probably not a good thing
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17:36<smiler>:danblack My priority is to get a rails app running that will respond to http and https with a selt certified ssh cert on an nginx/unicorn server config using my own domain name that can send basic email on a secure lubuntu server and to configure reesquee/redis background jobs
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17:38<smiler>probably ubuntu 11.04
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17:42<smiler>danblack: I will be deploying using capistrano, I also really need to be able handle approx 70 requests per min to start with so may need load balancing
17:43<smiler>but hopefully a few worker processes and a reasonable amount of ram should suffice
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17:44<danblack>70/min sounds farely low.
17:45<danblack>i've just deployed a linodebalancer and it was very easy
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17:45<smiler>yeah, but it's too much for heroku to handle and I need to be able to cope with 10 times that when I start ramping things up
17:47<DreamPhysix>is anyone competent in signal aliasing?
17:47<DreamPhysix>(and sampling)
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17:48<dwfreed>DreamPhysix: as in like audio signal sampling?
17:48*Kyhwana hmms, wonders what the odds of being able to get a rasberrypi is
17:48<DreamPhysix>dwfreed: yeah, it doesn't matter what kind of signal it is. just a sum of sinusoids
17:48<crd>Kyhwana, I reckon you'll find out in about 8 hours.
17:49*crd has his alarm set.
17:49<CaptObviousman>in 8 hours they go on sale?
17:49<crd>No, they're going to make an announcement.
17:49<Kyhwana>crd: er, I thought that was when they go on sale?
17:49<Kyhwana>at 0600h GMT
17:50<DreamPhysix>dwfreed here's the problem I'm referring to, but I think I might have a solution: If the input x(t) is given by the two-sided spectrum representation in Fig. 2 and the output of the ideal D-to-C converter is y(t)=Acos(2pi(200)t+phi)-7.07, determine the value of the sampling frequency f_s (using the same f_s for both the C-to-D and D-to-C conveters) and the two sinusoidal parameters, A and phi.
17:50<linbot>For homework related help, go to #homework
17:51<DreamPhysix>I know, but people in here are probably smarter with things related to electronics
17:51<dwfreed>DreamPhysix: I've no clue with DSP
17:51<DreamPhysix>Fair enough
17:52<Kyhwana>ahh just an announcement
17:52<Kyhwana>Well, will have to keep watching incase they go on sale then
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17:54<solipsist>bob2 what's insane?
17:55<praetorian>chesty is
17:55<DreamPhysix>thanks for the offer though dwfreed :)
17:57<bob2>solipsist, that you went from "so that all browser queries to a subdomain on my server get directed to my blog" to "how do I enable cgi in every user's public_html dir"
17:57<bob2>I assume the thing you really want is a rewrite or proxy_pass
17:57<praetorian>bob2: can you access anything international atm?
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18:00<DreamPhysix>what's uhv?
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18:02<linbot>DreamPhysix: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS87; ASN owner: Indiana University; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Indiana University; City: Bloomington; State: Indiana; Postal code: 47408; Country: United States; Domains: 2;
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18:09<bob2>praetorian, yes
18:10<stan_theman>a/ws 34
18:10<praetorian>stan stan, stan the man with the damn typo.
18:10<bob2>via telsta anyway
18:10<dwfreed>stan_theman: fail :P
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18:12<staticsafe>crd: not at all
18:13<solipsist>bob2 I ended up following the instructions here
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18:13<solipsist>pretty much step by step
18:13<linbot>New news from forums: Lot of connections to the site - Very slow, almost crash! in Performance and Tuning <>
18:13<bob2>serious protip
18:13<bob2>/tell people what your end goal is/
18:13<bob2> <- serious
18:13<avenj>what's the fun in that
18:13*Katana push buttons
18:13*Katana get bacon
18:14<staticsafe>greycat> Unfuckingbelievable... - heh at that response
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18:15<bob2>it's a very annoying problem
18:15<bob2>and by problem i mean antisocial behaviour
18:15<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:15<crd>I'd rather push bacon and get buttons:
18:16<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:16<linbot>Bacon is what makes food good!
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18:21<mbreslin>you are reinventing the wheel when there are 18-wheelers driving by offering you a ride
18:21<mbreslin>right like it's safe to just jump in with some random trucker!
18:22<crd>Oh, no, it's perfectly safe in here...
18:22<crd>Just... ignore that smell...
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18:44<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel Version for Ubuntu 10.04? in General Discussion <>
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19:18<mbreslin>could you guys keep the chatter to a minmum please
19:18<mbreslin>haha again!
19:19<mbreslin>the i hates me apparently
19:19<mbreslin>minmum is more fun to say i propose a change
19:20<Kyh_> moar reasons why paypal is evil
19:20<Kyh_>^more chatter, there you go
19:20<Kyh_>I wonder if paypal would suspend you (or linode) for paying for a linode with paypal, that has erotica ebooks on it
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19:20<mbreslin>i don't get it
19:20<staticsafe>yea paypal is definitely evil
19:20<mbreslin>paypal is on the internet
19:20<mbreslin>the internet is for porn
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19:21<Kyh_>I'd go with yes, since paypal are saying they'll stop doing business with smashwords if they don't take it down
19:28<dzho>they seem to have it in for specific types of erotica
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19:37<dwfreed>!help dig
19:37<linbot>dwfreed: (dig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1&type=@1".
19:38*Katana does not get bitcoin
19:40<praetorian>it's over-rated
19:45<EugeneKay>It's just a cryptocurrency. There's no inherent value in it, only a falsely inflated market built upon a CNN article which says you can buy pot on it
19:46<EugeneKay>The lack of a strong centralized official bank backing it dooms it to complete uselessness
19:46<Katana>it's a GEEK currency you say?!
19:46<Katana>omg it must be legit
19:46<bob2>I don't think that's neccessarily true
19:46<EugeneKay>Not even geeks. Just suckers.
19:46<bob2>but it definitely attracts the usual marketing/scam crowd
19:46<bob2>I suspect it'll end up being a nerd cash transfer system
19:47<bob2>rather than a currency per se
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19:47<EugeneKay>That's basically what it is, for various definitions of "transfer"
19:48<Katana>so basically you're saying it's a cute concept, but an impractical one
19:48<auraka>you can buy pot with it.....dealers must be desperate
19:48<bob2>it's a currency
19:48<bob2>I mean that people won't hold it
19:48<Katana>auraka: i heard you can buy clay pot with it
19:48<Katana>you could plant FLOWERS in that shit, man
19:48<bob2>they'll just use it to anonymously and cheaply transfer cash between two cash<->bitcoin gateways
19:49<auraka>hey....people trade worthless pieces of paper....crazy things do happen
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19:49<EugeneKay>It's a decent concept, but the implementation is flawed
19:49<Katana>next thing you know we'll be trading tanks of air
19:49<bob2>how is the implementation flawed
19:49<bob2>Katana, wtaer
19:49<EugeneKay>There's no large backer, like the US Gov'
19:50<auraka>bob2: the fact that it crashed twice already?
19:50<Katana>VS_ChanLog: The game
19:50<EugeneKay>The US Dollar and the Euro work because there is a large centralized system which respects it. No such mainstream organization recognizes BC
19:50<GLaDOSDan>EugeneKay: That's the whole point
19:50<GLaDOSDan>If it was backed by the US Govt it would be pointless
19:50<EugeneKay>GLaDOSDan - which is exactly why it doesn't work
19:50<dwfreed>Do the reverse zones update on the same schedule as the master zones? A friend of mine set up rDNS for his IPv6 address, but it's not working yet
19:50<GLaDOSDan>dwfreed: They take upto 24 hours to take effect
19:50<@heckman>No, the times are different.
19:51<auraka>if it were backed by gold then you could use it....but then why not use gold...
19:51<EugeneKay>It's like basing your currency upon leaves. That works great, until spring comes.
19:51<Katana>auraka: inconvenience
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19:51<bob2>auraka, again, that's a sepearate issue and unrelated to how easy it is to use for transfers
19:51<Katana>EugeneKay: no different than current Fed policy
19:51<bob2>heckman, are all the rDNS zones delegated to linode nameservers now?
19:51<EugeneKay>The difference is that the Federal Reserve is quite a bit larger than Mt Gox. That's it.
19:52<bob2>mt gox is irrelevant
19:52<auraka>bob2: it is very relevant
19:52<bob2>bitcoin has attracted exactly the sort of retards you'd expect
19:52<GLaDOSDan>Mt Gox is not bitcoin
19:52<GLaDOSDan>Mt Gox is an exchange
19:52<auraka>when it contains %90 of transactions it is very relevant
19:53<EugeneKay>It's what, to msot people, "guarantees" bitcoin into a tangible item. So it's a valid parallel
19:53<bob2>it doesn't have 90% of transactions
19:53<GLaDOSDan>Right but it isn't relevant to EugeneKay's argument of "the government don't back it threfore it is pointless"
19:53<auraka>that is like saying bank of america isn't relevant because it doesn't print the dollar
19:53<@heckman>bob2: not sure what you mean....
19:53<bob2>but again, you're all assuming the only use is as a thing to invest
19:53<bob2>like USD
19:54<EugeneKay>For a short term semi-anonymous transactional tool it works fine as-is, but I like some stability in things I invest time into
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19:55<auraka>or just use the dollar...
19:55<EugeneKay>For an electronic transaction? Difficult to do anonymously.
19:57<auraka>ah...why would you want an anonymous transaction....and it can't be truly anonymous
19:57<EugeneKay>Because you're dealing drugs? I dunno, ask the kiddy pr0n salesmen
19:57<EugeneKay>That's the usual sort of shady deal that BC seems to be for
19:58<linbot>Peng: 2600:3c02::a,
19:58<linbot>Peng: 2a01:7e00::a,
19:58<@akerl>EugeneKay: Yes, because you're an expert on the content of all bitcoin transactions
19:58<EugeneKay>Expert? No. I have looked into it a decent bit, though.
19:59<auraka> have to buy the bitcoins from there is a transaction record there
19:59<@akerl>How did you look into how people are spending their bitcoins?
19:59<EugeneKay>My professional opinion is that any "normal" transaction which would be done electroncially is made via PayPal. The hazy ones you see on BitCoin.
20:00<EugeneKay>In a nutshell? Hang out on Tor-net forums and see what people are talking about.
20:00<EugeneKay>It isn't cat pictures, I assure oyu.
20:01<@akerl>EugeneKay: You cannot infer from that anything regarding bitcoin usage as a whole, just like you can't take the content of this channel to represent Linode users as a whole
20:01<EugeneKay>No, but I can make some representative assumptions by following the total proof-chain of BTC as a hwole, and comparing it against my sample size.
20:01<auraka>bitcoin is a half-life 3
20:01<Peng>Prediction: By 2020, all #linode users will have been hired by Linode, and this will be the new staff channel.
20:02<squircle>yay! \o/
20:02<auraka>Peng: I can't take that much of a pay cut :-/
20:02<EugeneKay>It's a poor set of assumptions, but in the absence of better data that's all I can say. Feel free to disbelieve me, I recommend it in most circumstances.
20:03<@akerl>EugeneKay: I have no stake in the "bitcoin is a good or bad idea" fight. But I have a strong disgust with the "This technology is evil! Protect the children and stop drug use!" line
20:03<EugeneKay>I won't argue that. I think drugs are awesome.
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20:05*Peng chomps dinosaur-shaped children's multivitamin. Drugs!
20:06<@akerl>little foot!
20:06<EugeneKay>I always knew he was as toner
20:07<auraka>linode's are ban because they serve the onion which rots children's the children...
20:08<auraka>thats and akerl uses his linode paycheck to do nefarious deeds
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20:12<Katana>(-°□°)- 彡 ┻━┻
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20:15<auraka>testing a linode in I know how all the aussie/asian internet users must feel surfing all those U.S. based websites
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20:16<amitz>auraka: and there are ppl farther than that.
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20:17<@heckman>Yeah, imagine the internet speeds for the research stations on Anarctica...
20:17<auraka>amitz: no one that matters
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20:18<auraka>heckman: ya....I'd be more concerned with the freezing to death rather than the internet
20:18<synapt>heckman: In my experience it seems the more remote areas of the world get the better speeds (lets not forget that mother who's son set her up with 40GBit)
20:18*heckman sighs
20:18<@heckman>I wish I could get 100mbit with decent upload for less than the worth of my arm and left foot.
20:18<Katana>auraka: i know it pretty often, trying to get on pixiv >.>
20:19<purrdeta>heckman: metoo
20:19<synapt>I'd be happy to have more than my 3Mbit down
20:19<dwfreed>Except Antarctica only gets internet via satellite
20:19<amitz>synapt: oh god...i'm concerned i know the reference to that... i'm too geeky
20:19<stongo1>how easy it to transfer server billing on Linode? As in if I sign up and configure a server for a client, is it easy to pass it over to the client for future billing?
20:19<dwfreed>heckman: yeah, Comcast is like $200 per month, plus taxes and fees
20:19<synapt>amitz: That old lady in sweden? lol
20:19<Kyhwana>Don't they get sat that doesn't work half the year?
20:19<dwfreed>stongo1: both you and the client would file a ticket requesting the transfer
20:20<@heckman>stongo1: we can do it via support ticket as a courtesy. However, if you're going to be doing it regularly we ask that you do this instead:
20:20<amitz>synapt: yeah, a few yeards ago i couldn't possily know that fact :-p
20:20<mbreslin>comcast 100+/20 is 99$ iirc
20:20<amitz>that kind of fact
20:20<@heckman>50/"10" is $115 here
20:20<synapt>amitz: I remember how sad I felt when I read that story originally
20:20<@heckman>on Comcast
20:20<synapt>I looked at my 3Mbit DSL and cried a little
20:20<@heckman>Hang on, let me bold those quotes: 50/"10"
20:20<auraka>comcast is evil....they try to be the at&t of cable
20:20<SirSquid1ess>A friend of mine has just started paying AUD$600/month for 100/100 unlimited fibre.
20:20<auraka>same suck
20:21<SirSquid1ess>To his house.
20:21<dwfreed>heckman: yeah, Comcast always has really shitty upload
20:21<Kyhwana>Why is DSL in the US so shit? It's pretty good here, most people can get at least 10mbit (if their house wiring wasn't so shit)
20:21<dwfreed>Kyhwana: because our phone lines are oooold
20:21<synapt>Kyhwana: One of... exactly
20:21<Katana>that, pretty much
20:21<synapt>Mostly copper, though what I hate is some of the areas which DO have decent lines and they still haven't raised the speeds with
20:22<synapt>(My town should at the very least be supportive of the 7~MBit speeds, but I think they've stopped really upgrading DSL at all in attempt to roll out FiOS more at Verizon)
20:22<Kyhwana>I guess since we have less copper overall (in terms of kms of it) it's easier to upgrade all of it :P
20:22<auraka>I worked for a small local telco....we were doing FTTH 8 years of the coolest jobs ever
20:22<Gladiator>Comcast doesn't offer here, it's a pity,
20:22<Kyhwana>The DSL here is all sold as FS/FS these days, unless you are on a capped plan that puts you down to 64k/64k after you go over
20:23<synapt>I'd never get comcast anways
20:23<Gladiator>however, one ISP that does is called "InsightBB" - they also offer a 50.0 package (it's 55.5/5.5), a bit slower on the upload speed of things, however, they don't use a "powerbooster" or anything
20:23<synapt>ignoring the general fallbacks to cable in general, Comcast is one of the worst
20:23<Gladiator>DSL here (ATT) only offers 3.0 even though it's fiber-optic lines
20:23<Kyhwana>sSo I get ~16mbit/s on my adsl2 at home
20:23<dwfreed>synapt: in Galloway, where Linode is, you don't get much of a choice if you want any kind of speed
20:24<@heckman>synapt: FiOS rollouts are dead...sadly
20:24<stongo1>heckman, dwfreed: alright that's good to know! I'm signing up!
20:24<auraka>Gladiator: i wouldn't use AT&T if you paid me
20:24<Peng>heckman: What?
20:24<Gladiator>auraka: what's the specific reason?
20:24<@heckman>Peng: Verizon announced over a year ago that FiOS is done. They are filling out some of the areas but won't be expanding any further.
20:25<Kyhwana>and all the big telecos in the US are bribing state politicians to stop cities/counties putting in their own broadband stuff
20:25<Peng>heckman: :(
20:25<Gladiator>auraka: I currently use ATT and I've yet once to have a failed/dropped connection.. now a few years ago when I had ATT, they was using a older 2wire modem, I'd drop nearly every 5-10 minutes; only downside I've personally had was the speeds; it's msotly upsides though, one mostly being the Ameritech box is directly outside my window next to the house, I have a absolutely fantastic connection
20:25<auraka>Gladiator: their corporate policy...the they are trying to double they are about to split the internet with apps that don't count against your bw if you pay them
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20:26<ajmitch>Kyhwana: how long before you can get fibre to home?
20:26<dwfreed>heckman: really? that majorly sucks
20:26<synapt>heckman: to my understanding they rolled back on some, but they still have contracts in places they agreed to roll them out 'eventually'
20:26<synapt>which is still -a lot- of places
20:26<Gladiator>auraka: well, internet/connection issues aside, I don't care about the policy updates or anything - besides, ATT only offers 3.0 here (and I moved from a 30.0 connection to 3.0, big difference, especially in money)
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20:26<@heckman>synapt: indeed, but I don't think this area was one of them.
20:26<@Perihelion>Yeah but if you aren't on that roll out list you're not getting it any time soon :<
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20:26<Gladiator>if they "cap" my internet, it wouldn't matter anyways, it's only 3.0 connection, not like I'm being a pirate
20:26<@heckman>On the other side, if this area was on the FiOS list I would be jumping ship from Comcast on day 0
20:27<Kyhwana>ajmitch: dunno, i'm in an apartment complex, so no one knows how UFB works yet
20:27<auraka>Gladiator: so you are okay with supporting companies that want to kill the internet as long as it doesn't inconvience it
20:27<@Perihelion>I burn through my BW because of netflix haha
20:27<purrdeta>ah netflixxxx
20:27<Kyhwana>but hamilton is getting wired up this year, with first sign ups in june/july
20:27<@heckman>My comcast has been dropping packets / jittering like crazy recently.
20:27<ajmitch>Kyhwana: ah right, I'll probably have the same problem, despite being right near the middle of dunedin
20:27<Gladiator>auraka: just because I have the service, doesn't mean I'm supporting the service in such ways to apparently "kill" the internet you speak of
20:27<auraka>Perihelion: amazon prime video....unf
20:27*synapt wonders if he could find out why Verizon still hasn't up'
20:27<synapt>*up'd the DSL speeds here
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20:27<@Perihelion>auraka: I use Amazon Prime for newer stuff for sure!
20:27<auraka>Gladiator: by giving them money you support them and their policies
20:27<mbreslin>heckman: move to kansas city or whatever the other city is google's phiber is coming ;p
20:28<purrdeta>Verizon has terrible DSL speeds where we are. :/
20:28<auraka>mbreslin: I live in STL....was so dissapointed they chose KC
20:28<@Perihelion>It's bad enough that Google reads my email. I don't want them seeing everything else I do :<
20:28<Gladiator>auraka: it's a service I'm purchasing, it's not a donation
20:28<Kyhwana>ajmitch: yeah, no one quite knows how it's meant to work yet, except that for it to be proper UFB, it has to be to each apartment.. but who pays to pull fibre into the building and then into each apartment?
20:28<@heckman>I wish there was a way to see where FiOS is locally...
20:28<auraka>Gladiator: yes...and by purchasing that service you are supporting the company and their policies
20:28<Katana>don't worry Perihelion, google won't spy on you like the NSA does :)
20:29<synapt>... can't tell if sarcastic or clueless
20:29<@Perihelion>The NSA doesn't scare me as much
20:29<auraka>if you didn't purchase that service and other people didn't then they would likely change their policies
20:29<purrdeta>pfft Google is a company. They will do whatever it takes to make money :)
20:29<Gladiator>auraka: I'm not concered about your opinion about certain policies/politics of you don't like, on my part, they are not effecting me so yes - I could careless if they have some sort of effect on other users
20:29<synapt>Katana: don't tell me you didn't see all the drama over google bypassing IE and Safari's security policies
20:29<Kyhwana>I wants me some 100/10mbit UFB
20:29<mbreslin>purrdeta: no that only applies to companies who don't have the "don't be evil" internal fake motto
20:29<auraka>Gladiator: they will affect you and the rest of the internet...
20:30<mbreslin>i for one welcome my multicolored logo overlords
20:30<Katana>synapt: wouldn't be the first time someone's done it
20:30<Gladiator>auraka: buckle up
20:30<Katana>synapt: i bet MS has been doing it for years
20:30*auraka shrugs
20:30<auraka>I don't buy from them
20:30<synapt>Katana: Perhaps, but MS wasn't the one who got caught bypassing the cookie rules to track people with
20:30<Katana>synapt: hell, wasn't MS caught "eavesdropping" from google searches to power bing? isn't that the same thing, perhaps?
20:30<auraka>synapt: what "rules"
20:30<purrdeta>oh, #linode :P
20:30<Gladiator>auraka: what's your provider
20:30<auraka>there are no "rules"
20:31<Katana>monitoring web activity to, errr, *modify* search engine results..
20:31<auraka>Gladiator: Charter
20:31<synapt>auraka: There are policy rules on the browser?
20:31<purrdeta>I personally find that most, if not all, ISPs are evil as fuck :)
20:31<auraka>synapt: not on all browsers.....and don't have to follow it
20:31<mbreslin>Gladiator: "i could care less" is awesome. keep using that.
20:31<synapt>auraka: On safari and IE, which were the two google got caught basically 'cheating' around to put their cookies on for
20:32<purrdeta>mbreslin: :D
20:32<purrdeta>I quite like it. People get very upset because they dont realise I know what I said.
20:32<mbreslin>as long as you know what you mean
20:32<purrdeta>I am aware I didnt say that, but you know what I maen :P
20:32<auraka>not sure how it is cheating....basically it is like you coming to my house...asking to come in but then telling me not to look at you while you rummage through it for free stuff
20:32<Katana>purrdeta: wait ISPs can be good?
20:32<mbreslin>i'm sure you could care less if others know what you mean or not
20:33<Kyhwana>hey, china gets away with it, why can't google?
20:33<purrdeta>Katana: well, I imagine there may be a hierarchy of evil :P
20:33<purrdeta>but I feel "good" is unattainable :P
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20:33<synapt>auraka: If I have a rule/policy of some sort saying "Don't do this", and someone did it, I'd be a bit upset
20:33<@Perihelion>The unattainable is unknown at Linodecom.
20:33<linbot>Perihelion: linodecom: Welcome. <>
20:33<Katana>shit, i wouldn't trust an ISP even if it was run by the EFF
20:33<auraka>synapt: how are you allowed to set rules at my house?
20:33<synapt>auraka: It'd be like you saying people can't wear shoes in your house on your carpet, and then someone ignores you and walks all over your floor with muddy boots
20:33<auraka>thats basically what you are saying
20:34<auraka>not really
20:34<mbreslin>there was a gamer oriented isp i had in sacramento i'm sure they're out of business by now but they leased the pots lines from at&t or whoever and charged a bit of a premium but they were awesome
20:34<mbreslin>(wish i could remember their name to praise them)
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20:34<Katana>a shame ;~;
20:34<auraka>mbreslin: there is still out that way
20:34<purrdeta>praise them god dammit.
20:34<Kyhwana>Except there are no rules, other than google saying "in order to use google, you'll allow us to do <x> and if <x> entails getting around some IE code then so be it
20:35<auraka>xmission out in utah
20:35<mbreslin>they ran a major gaming file mirror too i'm sure most have heard of them
20:35<mbreslin>oh well
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20:35<auraka>Kyhwana: you get it
20:35*mbreslin googles
20:35<synapt>Kyhwana: I still look at the policies as a set of rules basically, google pretty blatently bypassed the IE one, though it was also IE's fault for leaving the way they did it as loose as they did
20:36<Katana>IE, loose?
20:36<auraka>I have two choices...charter or centurylink
20:36<mbreslin>auraka: speakeasy yeah!
20:36<mbreslin>auraka: they were awesome
20:36<auraka>mbreslin: they got bought by bestbuy and the suck began
20:36<Katana>ie never does wrong
20:36<synapt>There's no reason to defend google in this imo, it was a crap move by them, I mean if you don't care about what google does to you, hey, your choice, lol, just one of the many reasons I avoid using google for anything
20:36<Kyhwana>auraka: hurrah
20:36<auraka>synapt: use what...?
20:37<auraka>mbreslin: sorry dude :-/
20:37<Katana>auraka: he goes onto the darknet
20:38<Kyhwana>wtf shitty LION batteries, only has 39% charge apacity after 36 cycles
20:38<synapt>auraka: For very general searching? I will use either bing, or google, on limited basis (eg; no cookies, no account, etc). I have like, one gmail, which I basically use for junk (eg; a site which I have to register to for whatever reason, but figure they'll just spam the crap out of me)
20:38<synapt>google's shady EULA history alone is enough to make me try to shy away as best as I can from any sort of legitimate account :P
20:39<mbreslin>auraka: they did traffic shaping for all the latest fpses and gave you a free account on their file mirror thing which gave you the premium speeds dling new demos and what have you, reverse dns and 5 static ips
20:39<HedgeMage>auraka: Try they rock
20:39<auraka>synapt: lol....god forbid a company try to make money by providing a free service
20:39<purrdeta>They can do whatever they want to make money. Doesn't mean I want to use their free service
20:39<@Perihelion>See: Facebook.
20:40<purrdeta>or be subject to their craptastic policies.
20:40<auraka>HedgeMage: no thanks....they have never done really well...and their people are kind of jerks
20:40<mbreslin>yeah i wonder how duckduckgo will monetize
20:40<mbreslin>oh yeah just like google
20:40<mbreslin>adds and click tracking
20:40<synapt>auraka: God forbid a company trying to make money by EULA agreements saying they could use my emails for whatever purposes they want (including taking ideas and copyrighting them, themselves for their own gain, etc)
20:40<auraka>synapt: your own mail services or pay for one....
20:41<dwfreed>heckman: is probably quite accurate; there are some reports that FiOS might actually be coming to our area (again, eventually...)
20:41<auraka>pay for smugmug for image hosting\
20:41<synapt>auraka: I do, but it's not like Gmail is the only 'service' of theirs to have shady agreements
20:41<auraka>dwfreed: verizon said no
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20:41<auraka>synapt: so you use bing...which copies Google?
20:42<mbreslin>it seems likely to me that this anti privacy crap everyone is on about is just growing pains and eventually eulas will be short documents saying you know the deal we'll use all of your shit in any way you can
20:42<purrdeta>I run my own mail server actualy. I find it soothing. I may be a masochist but I amuse myself quite a bit with it :P
20:42<synapt>auraka: Copied, and it's not like bing's entire search engine is a direct duplicate. Yes bing cheated and tried to match what people were searching for in google, again though it still didn't exactly have some pretty blatent nasty privacy violations
20:43<auraka>synapt: I'm assuming you've read the bing EULA and Microsoft EULA?
20:43<auraka>and the IE one....and your ISP...and your dns providers EULA
20:43<auraka>or AUP/TOS
20:43<@Perihelion>Who has that kind of time?
20:43<@Perihelion>I want my infoz and I want them NOW.
20:43<auraka>Perihelion: no one
20:44<synapt>auraka: Of course, and unlike even Chrome's EULA at one point a couple yearsa go, neither quite put it in the way of taking anything you do and making it their own for their own gain/use/etc
20:44<auraka>thats why it is kind of a joke
20:44<mbreslin>if i read them i'd be inclined to hit cancel and i really want to hit ok
20:44<auraka>synapt: who do you use for dns resolvers
20:44<mbreslin>i have stuff to do
20:44<@Perihelion>auraka: I wasn't being serious.
20:44<synapt>auraka: Comodo
20:44<auraka>synapt: lol
20:44<Nivex>if enough people hit cancel, the companies would feel it. they count on most people just clicking through.
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20:44<rnowak>comodo (: (:
20:45<@Perihelion>Silence, mowak.
20:45<purrdeta>Ok so auraka... basically, we shouldnt give all our info to google just because our ISP or DNS might also be tracking us.
20:45<Katana>!aol comodo
20:45<linbot>Katana: comodo:-D:-D:-D
20:45<synapt>auraka: I don't mind comodo, better than google, and at least better than the brokenness that is verizon's usually
20:45*synapt doesn't see how so many people can be clueless to the privacy issues google has had so many times
20:45<Katana>assume everything is public, that privacy doesn't exist, that everything is recorded
20:45<auraka>purrdeta: I'm just saying you're being tracked even without Google
20:45<synapt>And here I thought chrome's big EULA shadyness a couple years ago was pretty massive
20:46<purrdeta>I dont deny that. But I can still take some steps to reduce EVERYONE having my info to perhaps less people
20:46*rnowak distributes tinfoil hats
20:46*Perihelion /\
20:46*rnowak hats up
20:46<auraka>purrdeta: I'd rather have google have it then seven different organizations
20:47<purrdeta>I'd rather have 7 different organizations have different info than one having all the info.
20:47<Kyhwana>Hey, the government already has it all or can get it..
20:47<synapt>"Google said today that it would remove one section of the end-user licensing agreement that gave the company "a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through" the new browser."
20:47<@Perihelion>You all are making me sad. This channel is now about breakfast cereals.
20:47<auraka>I'm not important enough to read my email...hell I hardly read it myself
20:47<synapt>Well you go ahead and enjoy google having your information instead of those 7 different ones who probably don't do that specifically
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20:47<synapt>Perihelion: I dun like many cereals
20:47<@Perihelion>Let's discuss lucky charms
20:47<purrdeta>I am hungry now Perihelion. Bring me cereal.
20:47<synapt>Perihelion: waffle crisp > *
20:48<@Perihelion>I forgot all about waffle crisp
20:48<auraka>synapt: so...they fixed a stupid policy which isn't likely binding anyway but they are bad?
20:48<purrdeta>omg I've never heard of it.
20:48<purrdeta>I want it
20:48<Katana>Kyhwana: and considering agreements between politicians and companies, that data can just be tossed back and forth anyways.
20:48<@Perihelion>Really? It was *the thing* to have back in the day
20:48<Katana>(politicians comprise gov'ts)
20:48<linbot>New news from forums: Finding the culprit of 100% CPU usage? in General Discussion <>
20:48<synapt>auraka: Why did it even need to happen to begin with, it didn't, more so for nearly every single service they release :P
20:48<Katana>also:!/Nerfnow/status/174669753137381378 lol Origin. lol EA. Lol lol lol.
20:49<rnowak>This channel should be about cupcakes.
20:49<synapt>man, google fans, getting more hardcore than apple fans these days
20:49<auraka>synapt: because people are fallable and lawyers are assholes?
20:49<purrdeta>rnowak: good idea!
20:49<purrdeta>synapt: srsly
20:49<rnowak>synapt: step 1, remove head from ass
20:49<purrdeta>rnowak: its fun in there though yeah?
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20:50<rnowak>would appear so
20:50<auraka>must unplug from the isp can sniff all my traffic so they must be evil!
20:50<synapt>I like how because I have my opinion about google, my head is in my ass
20:50<synapt>yeah there's nothing zealotry sounding about that >.>
20:50<Katana>ack. twitter hotkeys don't work in irc
20:50<rnowak>synapt: you're trying to force your opinion on others
20:50<synapt>rnowak: I was asked why, I answered
20:51<purrdeta>The thing is, I find that it honestly doesnt matter what other people use. who gives a fuck. I dont use google because I dont want to. yay congrats to me.
20:51<purrdeta>You want to use it have fun.
20:51<Katana>actually, you didn't ask.
20:51<Katana>err, nobody asked
20:51<Katana>rnowak: bacontu
20:51<auraka>rnowak: thats thursday
20:51<purrdeta>rnowak: what kind are your favourite?
20:52<auraka>cupcake thursday
20:52<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:52<@Perihelion>yellow cake ones are amazing
20:52<rnowak>purrdeta: I don't know, my domain's more in cakes. I do like plain chocolate ones though.
20:52<@mikegrb>mmm cake
20:52<purrdeta>well tell me about cakes! Why not send me a cake? :P
20:52<Katana>android phone naming is getting amusing
20:52<@Perihelion>I'm also addicted to those delightful double chocolate muffins that sams/costco/bjs/etc all have
20:52<synapt>well now that my amusement is over I guess
20:52<auraka>Perihelion: co-workers wife made PB&J cupakes....girlfriend made pineapple rumcake cupcakes....
20:53<Katana>huzzah. thunderstorm.
20:53<auraka>with coconut frosting
20:53<Nivex>auraka: wait, the guy has a wife and a girlfriend?
20:53<Katana>brb moving to surge-protected outlet
20:53<@Perihelion>Katana: Where are you located?
20:53<auraka>Nivex: hah
20:53<purrdeta>I am so hungry....
20:53<Katana>Perihelion: eastish of St Louis
20:53<Katana>the hellhole known as illinois
20:53<auraka>Katana: no way....we're close good buddy
20:53<@Perihelion>Ah, okay. I think we're supposed to get whacked by that same system :<
20:54<rnowak>I won't mention that I am noming delicious steak leftovers from dinner then, purrdeta
20:54<auraka>except I'm west of STL
20:54<Katana>dog's already freaking out about the thunder
20:54<sublime>at least you are not located in new delhi, india all outlets are surge-protected
20:54<sublime>because the power randomly turns off
20:54<purrdeta>I am in class and cant go get food. Even after class I'm still just a poor loser :P
20:54<@Perihelion>So when are you all relocating to Galloway, NJ?
20:54<Katana>WHEEE MOBILE HURDLE. Dog wants to hide underneath my feet. >_>
20:55<Katana>Perihelion: i'm stuck until i get a degree
20:55<Nivex>Perihelion: you going to buy me a mansion?
20:55<@heckman>When we get FiOS
20:55<@Perihelion>Nivex: lolno.
20:55<purrdeta>oh degrees :(
20:55<@Perihelion>Katana: Pft, we have colleges here
20:55<sublime>Perihelion: too secluded..but it is real close to the borgata..when i make my trips from north jersey :)
20:55<rnowak>ahmerikhun edukashion
20:55<Katana>Perihelion: and if a transfer i lose a ton of credits, likely
20:55<@Perihelion>sublime: fwiw, there are people that commute from Philly :3
20:55<sublime>i am by rutgers universiy
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20:56<@Perihelion>Oh, then I totally can't blame you for moving
20:56<@Perihelion>That's a pretty nice area
20:56<sublime>yes, thanks
20:56<sublime>it is great and right in my alley for industry work (pharma)
20:56<sublime>i use linode for my testing services :)
20:56<purrdeta>yay linode
20:57<sublime>yay going around long procurement cycles of 4 weeks :)
20:57<rnowak>is that another chemist that I spot? it better be
20:57*rnowak brofist
20:57*Kyhwana brohoof
20:57<sublime>rnowak: nope..i am an engineer person
20:57<auraka>Perihelion: Katana lives where I went to high school...small world
20:58<@Perihelion>Haha, very
20:58<sublime>rnowak: but my close friends are research scientists at a number of large pharma companies in the area
20:58<auraka>we live like 45 min from each other
20:58<rnowak>chemical engineer represent o/ we're lonely in here
20:58<rnowak>thought I found a soulmate, but fine
20:58<rnowak>be like that
20:58<@Perihelion>I know this dude...we used to live near each other but never met, we frequently run into each other on IRC, and we know mutual people IRL from OSS and not home o_o
20:58<Katana>rnowak: nope nobody for you here
20:58<@Perihelion>rnowak: Wanna be friends?
20:58<sublime>i do dabble in bioinformatics..but i am weak in that area of expertise is clinical operations and pharmacovigilance
20:59<Katana>rnowak - FOREVER ALONE ON IRC
20:59<rnowak>sublime: I see
20:59<auraka>Katana: be honest....would you want to meet rnowak in real life....thats like inserting /b/ into your life
20:59<sublime>rnowak: and you know i work in pharmacovigilance..because i can actually spell it ;)
20:59<rnowak>I've got Perihelion, we've got babies planned too, np
20:59<auraka>no good can come of it
20:59<Katana>auraka: i would. so I can throw bricks at him.
21:00<Katana>auraka: I've actually got a cinderblock handy for the occasion
21:00<rnowak>auraka: you must be confusing me with someone else
21:00<@Perihelion>I'd meet rnowak
21:00<Nivex>Perihelion: wow, you have quite a following.
21:00<@Perihelion>If only so that he could share his Swedish cooking secrets with me
21:00<@Perihelion>Nivex: Tis true
21:01<Katana>Perihelion: are his recipes encrypted
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21:01<Katana>because if they are, i've got this craftsman wrench that'd work perfect for decryption
21:01<rnowak>they are in swedish, better than any mathematical crypto protection out there
21:01<rnowak>they are also hand written by me, they may actually be lost forever
21:02<Katana>in before rnowak burns the recipes
21:02<Katana>gah. i wish there was a linux server for freelancer :C
21:02<rnowak>I don't know what you're talking about
21:02<sublime>rnowak: what area of pharma do you partake in?
21:03<rnowak>sublime: (bio-)organic chemicalistic stuff, so mostly discovery / reaction mechanism mockery for syntheses to optimize, or brand new
21:04<sublime>oh nice
21:04<sublime>biotech or covential?
21:04<sublime>my one friend works at celgene and he talks about biosimilars a lot
21:04<sublime>really sweet sh**
21:04<rnowak>there's only really a distinction in education and when people want to be fancy
21:05<rnowak>we're bioorganic chemists, throw shit at us, we can take it <3
21:05*Katana throws batshit at rnowak
21:05<rnowak>oh fuck, I've opened up for being thrown shit on, havn't I
21:05<sublime>i see a lot of crap around cloud and synthesizing your molecules and how throwing computing power will help
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21:05<Katana>I like how I managed to get that in RIGHT as he says it
21:05<sublime>rnowak: nah, i respect your field.. real hard and neat at the same time
21:06<rnowak>computational chemistry is great, we're throwing a lot of GPGPU at it
21:06<sublime>rnowak: one thing some scientists are talking about is virtual it rats, dogs, bunnies, monkeys to try and minimize the humane factor
21:07<sublime>but you are much earlier in the process than using living organisms of that scale
21:07<rnowak>Yeah I don't know, I'm not very interested in the clinical part of it all
21:07<sublime>SUSAR and ADRs are my area
21:08<sublime>ADR = Adverse Drug reaction
21:08<sublime>and i keep screwing up susar
21:08<LoG>mains: 2;
21:08<LoG>* DreamPhysix ( Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
21:08<sublime>for everyone else in the channel..when you hear a drug commerical on tv and they go for 95% of the commerical..this product may cause headaches, diarhea, tumors..blah blah
21:08<@Perihelion>Nice LoGs there LoG
21:09<rnowak>gd1 Perihelion
21:09-!-Buduk [] has quit []
21:09<sublime>those are adverse events that are disclosed for public safety
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21:09*sublime will get off his soap box..loves his job too much
21:10<@Perihelion>I want a soap box.
21:10<purrdeta>me too
21:10<rnowak>soup box, hmm
21:10<sublime>soap nazi from seinfield?
21:10<rnowak>oh he's great
21:11<rnowak>NO SOUP FOR YOU
21:11<sublime>i think the acura nsx commerical..where he tries to "sell" him to the number 1 in line
21:11<Katana>or, as on the internet
21:11<Kyhwana>soup to nuts
21:11<Katana>NO SOPA FOR YOU
21:11<rnowak>sopa's so pase
21:11<Katana>it'll be back
21:11<Katana>or shit like it.
21:11<rnowak>we'll lose next time, no need to bother worrying
21:11<sublime>rnowak: you in the jersey area yourself?
21:12<Katana>solution: artillery
21:12<rnowak>sublime: I'm across the atlantic, in the holy people's democratic republic of sweden
21:12<Katana>Congress, this bill won't work. 150mm says it won't.
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21:12<@akerl>Give it 5 years, we'll cheer when they pass SOPA
21:12<sublime>rnowak: oh, nice.. WHO region :)
21:12<sublime>isn't democratic republic redundant though?
21:12<dwfreed>akerl: heh, yeah, probably
21:13<Katana>sublime: by the way he likes being called mowak
21:13<dwfreed>sublime: no, not really
21:13<rnowak>pharma jobs are disappearing here faster than you can say pharma, luckily I'm in academia and don't have to worry about jobs and normal stuff, I can live in my own little bubble
21:13-!-rurufufuss [] has joined #linode
21:13<Katana>sublime: democracy != republic
21:14<sublime>i will leave this alone. sorry for bringing up
21:14-!-osla [] has joined #linode
21:14<sublime>politics can be a no no :)
21:14<rnowak>!mowak Katana
21:14<linbot>mowak is not a nick. Please see
21:14<sublime>rnowak: true, you have some real smart people out of sweden with novel concepts
21:14-!-Bdragon [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:14-!-purrdeta is now known as mowak
21:14<rnowak>sublime: we do try
21:15*Katana highfives
21:15<Katana>purrdeta, ilu
21:15-!-mowak is now known as purrdeta
21:15-!-rnowak is now known as mowak
21:15<Katana>GHOST HIM NOW
21:15<mowak>going to register it before some asshat does it
21:15<purrdeta>I should have while Iw as there.
21:15<purrdeta>Oh well :P
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21:15<Katana>i would laugh so hard if you did that
21:16<Katana>esp if oftc's ghost were like freenode's old ghost
21:16<Katana>where you got dropped
21:16<sublime>mowak: new jersey is very pro pharma, but the state is having troubles keeping companies in the state because of high valued resources..we have merkc, novartis, glaxo, pfizer, wyeth, forest research, sanofi-aventis
21:16-!-mowak is now known as rnowak
21:16<Katana>sublime: that and taxes >.>
21:16<sublime>pfizer is NYC based..but a lot of facilities in jersey because of wyeth but out
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21:17<osla>I created a CNAME record for a sub domain alias to a domain hosted on my linode server. When I try to access the domain, I see apache test page and not the site it is pointed to. is it that linode does not support access via cname
21:17<rnowak>I've been at pfizer and novartis out of those, here
21:17<@akerl>osla: Nope, that's not it
21:17<sublime>Katana: true, a lot of companies can get around the tax issue by setting up R&D organizations that are heavily subsidized
21:17<Wowzer>hey everyone. Look for some suggestions. I'm a noob
21:17<rnowak>astrazeneca is moving a lot of its research elsewhere, which is a shame
21:17<Kyhwana>osla: nope, linode does "support" it. Are you using CNAME properly?
21:17<sublime>oh and J&J..which is incorporated in the state..and has the headquarters a few miles from there
21:17<rnowak>Wowzer: go ahead
21:17<Kyhwana>Also, check your virtual hosts config
21:17<@akerl>osla: So typing the record you're CNAMEing shows a page from the right server, but not the right page?
21:18<Katana>osla: cnames work just fine with linode, your virtual hosts config probably needs checked
21:18<sublime>rnowak: novartis is doing some real awesome stuff..a real solid company
21:18<dwfreed>Katana: OFTC has regain, which will change the nick of somebody using it to guest, then nick you to it
21:18<rnowak>sublime: yep
21:18<Wowzer>I'm starting a ecommerce business using Magento Community and trying to figure out what the best way to go in hosting
21:18<Wowzer>it is a deal a day site. Offering 2 different products each day
21:19<Katana>dwfreed: I know, it's not like getting the person bumping into your nick disconned though. Not as satisfying. :(
21:19<@akerl>Wowzer: I'm biased, but I think Linode is awesome. Their support guys are really cool
21:19<sublime>rnowak: you develop a lot of your tools in house..or use COTS?
21:19<Wowzer>so is it a VPS host?
21:19<dwfreed>Katana: certain versions of regain will kill the person holding the nick (iirc, atheme can be configured to do this)
21:19<osla>So how can I get the domain display the content of the site that is its alias
21:19<rnowak>sublime: most of it is inhouse, and I'm responsible for most of it, NIHing it up yo, including trivial stuff like administrative tools *shrug*
21:19<Wowzer>now I'm a noob as stated earlier, do they do managed VPS
21:19<DreamPhysix>Wowzer: Linode is a good hosting option, but I always believed in starting off small. Which may mean to you, use a web hosting plan first and then acquire a VPS if you need the extra power
21:19<@akerl>Wowzer: Yup. You get a virtual server, can resize up/down as you like, full root access, ipv6, pretty cool stuff
21:19<Katana>akerl: and buttons in the manager to press
21:20<@akerl>Wowzer: We don't offer managed support at this time
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21:20<Wowzer>thanks guys! So I'd have to get a professional to manage it for me if I go with Linode
21:20<@akerl>linbot: You'll need to configure virtualhosts on your server for it
21:20<Kyhwana>osla: you need to set your virtualhosts up properly
21:20<Katana>akerl: did you just highlight linbot
21:20<sublime>rnowak: neat..may need to bounce ideas off of you..finding a chemical engineer that is solid in their area, is real hard...the industry is facing the BRIC country approach to cost management :(
21:20<DreamPhysix>you would need to pay a webmaster from another company
21:20<staticsafe>i quite like the spiffy buttons
21:20<@akerl>osla: ^ see my above since I fail at hilight
21:21<rnowak>sublime: sure
21:21<@akerl>Katana: Yes, I keypress-failed
21:21*Katana pats akerl on the back
21:21<DreamPhysix>like a consulting firm or a pay-by-hour administrator service
21:21<Katana>akerl: one of those days?
21:21<rnowak>a "webmaster"
21:21<@akerl>rnowak: Or webmistress :)
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21:21<Wowzer>would a shared hosing plan be OK to start with. The reason I ask is because I hear Magento is a resource hog
21:21<DreamPhysix>call it an administrator then >_>
21:22<DreamPhysix>Wowzer: I would look at a business hosting plan that is optimized for ecommerce
21:22<Kyhwana>akerl: or webqueen
21:22<DreamPhysix>I don't want to push you away from Linode, but I don't want you to invest more than you have to when you're starting up either
21:22<@akerl>Wowzer: It's a personal choice, especially since most of us here are biased towards Linode. But you get a lot more freedom and control with a VPS
21:22<osla>my vhost setting is like this
21:22<rnowak>sublime: there's not many decent computerists in chemical engineering it would seem, at least not in these parts of the world
21:22<osla>NameVirtualHost *
21:22<@akerl>!p osla
21:22<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:22<osla><VirtualHost *> ServerAdmin ServerName ServerAlias DocumentRoot /srv/www/ <Directory "/srv/www/"> allow from all order allow,deny # Enables .htaccess files for this site AllowOverride All </Directory> ErrorLog /srv/www/ CustomLog /srv/www/ combine
21:22<DreamPhysix>Wowzer: can I PM you some more detailed information to help you make a smart decision?
21:22<Katana>oh jesus
21:23<@akerl>osla: Don't do that again :<
21:23<rnowak>sublime: it makes me have to deal with all kinds of random crap which isn't really chemical engineering, but then again, I am also the in-house barista as these people couldn't make coffee to save their own lives
21:23<@akerl>Also, you don't own, do you?
21:23<Wowzer>I understand. I hear great things about Linode but since I'm a noob, I don't want to get involved into something that won't work from me until I learn how to work with a VPS
21:23<Katana>note to self, get hired to handle coffee services for chemical engineers.
21:23<Wowzer>DreamPhysix...Sure, I would appreciate it!
21:23<dwfreed>!redact osla
21:23<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
21:24<Katana>rnowak: :3
21:24<rnowak>Wowzer: do note, taking "detailed information" in PM means that information cannot be under scrutiny by the rest of the community
21:24<Wowzer>thanks mowak
21:24<purrdeta>oh scrutiny
21:24*Katana chokes
21:24<sublime>rnowak: asking some scientists to balance the check is a challenge..give them an organism and some molecules and they can cure cancer...
21:24<Kyhwana>osla: also, do you actually own the domain, ?
21:24<DreamPhysix>rnowak: he is welcome to ask questions here if he wants a second opinion on what i tell him :)
21:25<rnowak>!mowak Wowzer :(
21:25<linbot>mowak is not a nick. Please see
21:26<Katana>every time rnowak gets mowak'd I burst into a fit of giggling.
21:26<osla>I would get the exact config
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21:26<@akerl>osla: Throw your config in the pastebin and we'll take a look :)
21:26<purrdeta>Katana: I wanted to but I am in class and that would have been unfortunate.
21:27<rnowak>I once how MOHAWK'd
21:27<Katana>purrdeta: "what's that chat room on your screen are you a hacker STOP HACKING OUR CAMPUS AND STEALING OUR INFORMATIONS"
21:27<rnowak>that was pretty awesome
21:27<osla><VirtualHost *> ServerAdmin ServerName ServerAlias DocumentRoot /srv/www/ <Directory "/srv/www/"> allow from all order allow,deny # Enables .htaccess files for this site AllowOverride All </Directory> ErrorLog /srv/www/ CustomLog /srv/www/
21:27<Katana>!p osla PLEASE.
21:27<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:27<@akerl>osla: Do not do that...
21:27<@akerl>I'm not even going to start trying to wade through that. Pastebin for more goodness.
21:27<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:27<osla>the domain has the CNAME record
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21:28<purrdeta>osla: pay attention. Paste that into the pastebin and we will help you.
21:28<osla>NameVirtualHost * <VirtualHost *> ServerAdmin ServerName ServerAlias DocumentRoot /srv/www/ <Directory "/srv/www/"> allow from all order allow,deny # Enables .htaccess files for this site AllowOverride All </Directory> ErrorLog /srv/www/ CustomLog /srv/www/
21:28<@akerl>Good lord
21:28<purrdeta>oh dear god.
21:29<@akerl>!p osla
21:29<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
21:29<@akerl>^- go there
21:29<purrdeta>I guess the whole "pay attention" part didn't erally work.
21:29<@akerl>Paste your config into the pastebin. *do not* paste it in channel again
21:29<Katana>osla: paste in the pastebin.
21:30<Katana>akerl: can you modify the !p command? I've got something that'll get linbot to highlight the target with the link.
21:31<@akerl>What's the new goodness?
21:31<Katana>akerl: echo $1: Please use a pastebin instead of pasting directly to the channel -
21:31<Katana>akerl: adds $1 basically
21:32<osla>i will do that
21:32<@akerl>Which would add a colon at the beginning if no $1?
21:32<praetorian>good spotting laker
21:32<Katana>akerl: Hmm, yeah. Won't interfere with IRC context though, just aesthetic.
21:33<@akerl>Katana: Except I can `!p soandso` and hilight them now
21:33<Katana>akerl: Tweak it on your own anyways - but obv it needs to highlight the target :)
21:33<DreamPhysix>akerl: what are good reasons for requesting a bandwidth cap raise?
21:33<Kyhwana>akerl: except they won't "see" their response
21:33<praetorian>they will if they are paying attention
21:33<Katana>uh. above.
21:34<@akerl>DreamPhysix: Valid justification?
21:34<Katana>praetorian: ^
21:34<rnowak>praetorian is valid ?
21:34<DreamPhysix>isn't that what i just asked? :P
21:34<praetorian>rnowak: im always valid
21:34<praetorian>scan me on exit
21:34<Katana>DreamPhysix: they're not going to tell you something valid so you can repeat it back to them
21:35<praetorian>DreamPhysix: lets tell you what isnt allowed
21:35<Katana>DreamPhysix: you have to ask and state your intentions and they'll tell you whether they think that's okay
21:35<praetorian>we wont raise it because your torrent of the.arist.1080p is going slow
21:35<@akerl>DreamPhysix: Valid justification is valid :) Let us know via ticket what your situation is, and you'll know, probably in under 5 minutes
21:35<rnowak>"I need more bandwidth because this thing I do needs more bandwidth because I am hitting the cap and I need more bandwidth as this hit thing I make cap hit bandwidth more cap require"
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21:35<osla>i have dons that
21:35<DreamPhysix>I suppose because I have a 10 GbE line to the facility my server is at doesn't justify raising the cap?
21:35<DreamPhysix>just because i can achieve those speeds
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21:36<Katana>akerl: I wonder though, how often do you guys get a request to get the cap bumped up but not completely lifted?
21:36<@akerl>DreamPhysix: I can drive my car at 120mph, but I don't tell the cops that
21:36-!-Wowzer [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
21:36<rnowak>akerl: pretty sure your cops know that your car can go 120mph (:
21:36<DreamPhysix>you aren't the cops and theres no legal issues with this :|
21:36<Katana>akerl: like, from 50 to 60 or some such
21:37<tparker>there are ways to responsibly manage a network, though
21:37<Katana>DreamPhysix: they're responsible for other nodes too, and if you eat into other's services, it's their issue too.
21:37<rnowak>%w 57
21:37*rnowak phail with ph
21:37<@akerl>DreamPhysix: I am the internet police :)
21:37<Katana>akerl: do you have a siren
21:38<Katana>please please
21:38<DreamPhysix>well of course actual bandwidth rates would be within reason, i wouldn't want anyone eating up my services with their raised cap
21:38<@akerl>Also batman
21:38<rnowak>I think we should lock up Katana, as an example
21:38<Katana>and i think we should force rnowak to watch anime for three weeks straight.
21:38*Katana cackle
21:39<SirSquid1ess>That's a cruel punishment, Katana
21:39<@akerl>osla: How goes that pastebin'in
21:39<rnowak>trying to make me into a weeaboo like yourself?
21:39<Katana>SirSquid1ess: Eeeexactly.
21:39<Katana>rnowak: nope, just improv torture
21:39<rnowak>oh ok
21:39<purrdeta>oh weaboo :(
21:39<Katana>rnowak: you'll be forced to marathon the worst of the worst.
21:39<staticsafe>Endless Eight?
21:39<rnowak>Katana: you're implying there are good ones?
21:40<Katana>oh jesus i think i sparked staticsafe's sadistic side
21:40<Katana>rnowak: duh
21:40<rnowak>I've seen one anime series, all episodes
21:40*akerl pokes osla
21:40<osla>is there an error with the config file?
21:40<purrdeta>osla: tell us the link to your paste
21:41<Katana>rnowak: just like if you've seen one movie, you've seen all.
21:41<Katana>...not to say that's wrong or anything, because it's pretty spot on
21:41<@akerl>osla: Should the new site show the same content as the old one...?
21:41<osla>I have done that in the pastebin and this is the url
21:41<rnowak>Katana: not quite, just saying, I've just seen one, and not very interested in more ;p
21:41<Katana>rnowak: ah
21:41<Katana>I've only watched like four series. The rest I've dropped after five minutes of one episode.
21:41<rnowak>I did quite like it, though, fairly old - rurouni kenshin, Katana
21:42<staticsafe>note - i haven't actually subjected myself to Endless Eight :P
21:43<Katana>staticsafe: you *liked* hidan no aria?
21:43<Katana>staticsafe: the LN (I read it on Baka-tsuki) is decent. the anime is terrible.
21:43<rnowak>scooby doo > your weeaboo stuff
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21:44<Kyhwana>osla: your cname points to
21:44<@akerl>Katana: Which points to?
21:44<@akerl>damn i can't hilight
21:45<@akerl>You people need more distinct nicks
21:45<rnowak>laker: calm down
21:45<@akerl>mowak: stabbity stab stab
21:45<@akerl>^- got that hilight right :)
21:45<dwfreed>akerl: lrn2tabcomplete
21:45<DreamPhysix>anyone use oracle virtualbox much?
21:45<rnowak>akerl: nuuuuh
21:45<purrdeta>DreamPhysix: I do from time to time, it is fun :P
21:45<Kyhwana>akerl: > points to which isn't in that virtualhosts file
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21:45<osla>yes, is supposed the show the content of this I did to test if it works on my server
21:46<staticsafe>Katana: i should say, i rate stuff on impulse so those ratings are not wholly accurate
21:46<bruce>any one there?
21:46<Linear> /msg nickserv register
21:46<Katana>staticsafe: you'll probably like Shana.
21:46<staticsafe>reminds me
21:46<dwfreed>Linear: you might want to take out those leading spaces
21:46<staticsafe>i need to get that
21:46<Kyhwana>osla: Right, but it won't because you don't have a virtualhost for
21:46<Katana>staticsafe: SS-eclipse or gtfo
21:46<staticsafe>Katana: ofc
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21:46<staticsafe>who else lol
21:46<DreamPhysix>windows 8 beta comes out in less than 12 hours :D
21:47<Katana>staticsafe: they're back for season 3 even
21:47<Katana>DreamPhysix: is it sans metro interface?
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21:47<DreamPhysix>sans? metro yes
21:47<Katana>sans - means "without"
21:47<bruce>I have lost my credit card and expire the old cards, it took 7 days to get the new card. My question is how long my VPS will be deleted if not paid?
21:47<tparker>sans means without, DreamPhysix
21:47<rnowak>Katana: you could disable it in the dev preview, iirc they said it would be possible without fuckaboutery in the consumer preview
21:48<DreamPhysix>never heard that term used explicitly
21:48<Katana>DreamPhysix: "sans serif" - without serif
21:48<Kyhwana>bruce: I believe it gets shutdown after 10 days, not sure about when it gets deleted, staff can answer that
21:48<DreamPhysix>comic sans?
21:48<dwfreed>Katana: heh, that's the example I thought of
21:48<Katana>"without taste"
21:48<osla>i woould fix it now
21:48<DreamPhysix>latin im guessing?
21:49<bruce>Thanks Kyhwana.
21:49<purrdeta>bruce: I'd put in a ticket about it. I understand they are generally understanding so just tell them your situation.
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21:49<rnowak>never heard of medecins sans frontieres? impressive
21:50<Kyhwana>he didn't stick around to hear his answer
21:50<rnowak>probably the great cgi client
21:50<DreamPhysix>no rnowak, where would i hear that from?
21:50<staticsafe>Doctors without borders
21:50<rnowak>I don't know, news? knowing what's going on about in the world? not living in a bubble?
21:50<DreamPhysix>i mean i consider myself rather cultured
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21:50<Katana>rnowak: hey now you said you lived in a bubble
21:51<rnowak>Katana: my bubble's special ok
21:51<osla>still not working
21:51<Kyhwana>osla: did you restart apache?
21:51<Linear>dwfreed: wrong type :P thanks :)
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21:57*rnowak parties
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21:57<@Praefectus>like it's 1999?
21:57<rnowak>damn right
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21:58<dwfreed>Nah, party like it's December 20th, 2012
21:58<osla>yes i did a restart on apache
21:58<@akerl>Um... you didn't add the right domain to your config
21:59*Knight nods
21:59<Knight>er nevermind
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22:01<Kyhwana>akerl: he didn't?
22:01<Kyhwana>anyway, he must've fixed it now
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22:02<auraka>Kyhwana: you're out of your element donny!
22:02<@akerl>Kyhwana: still doesn't work
22:03<Kyhwana>akerl: hmm, you're right, but his config looked right? Wouldn't the cname then have the browser ask for app.whateveritwas ?
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22:04<@akerl>The CNAME factors into DNS resolution, it doesn't change the Host header that is sent
22:04<Kyhwana>oohh ok, didn't know that
22:05<Kyhwana>oh well
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22:07<Katana>rnowak: u special all right.
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22:09<Kyhwana>osla: you need to add to your virtualhost
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22:10<ronkrt>if i am trying to install cpanel and the linode dns plugin via cpanel, should i have NO dns entries in my linode dns manager?
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22:11<Kyhwana>depends how the plugin works
22:11<osla>I had restart apache but still having the same problem
22:12<ronkrt>ya im not quite sure, nor am i sure i can get it working ;(
22:12<Kyhwana>osla: you need to add to your virtualhost
22:12<Kyhwana>ronkrt: talk to cpanel
22:12<DreamPhysix>can someone briefly look at a network route for me?
22:13<DreamPhysix> it goes from atlanta to virginia and then back to atlanta, adding 20 ms of latency. isn't that kind of inefficient?
22:13<Kyhwana>DreamPhysix: yes, but that's how it works
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22:14<DreamPhysix>why does it work that way? i thought bgp had something to do with making the internet more efficient
22:14<@akerl>DreamPhysix: comcast
22:14<DreamPhysix>my linode is down the street and it doesnt go to virginia even though the other server is on comcast
22:14<Kyhwana>also comcast
22:14<ronkrt>Kyhwana, someone from Linode or the community made the plugin, not cpanel ;)
22:14<DreamPhysix>do you think saying anything to them would make them do anything?
22:14<Kyhwana>DreamPhysix: are you a business customer?
22:14<@akerl>ronkrt: Linode didn't make the plugin
22:14<DreamPhysix>yes Kyhwana
22:15<DreamPhysix>Comcast Business 100 Mbps
22:15<Kyhwana>ronkrt: oh, then ask whoever did it?
22:15<@akerl>DreamPhysix: Good luck :)
22:15<ronkrt>Akerl, there was a plugin that someone made to make cpanel use the linode dns manager
22:15<Kyhwana>DreamPhysix: then it's only unlikely, instead of "no"
22:15<DreamPhysix>what is the actual underlying reason for it? bgp is configured that way on their end?
22:15<Kyhwana>ronkrt: what does the doc/readme say?
22:15<DreamPhysix>or maybe theres maintenance on something?
22:15<@akerl>DreamPhysix: Virginia is cool, so your traffic wants to go there
22:15*DreamPhysix facedesks
22:16<@akerl>(Disclaimer: That's not really the reason)
22:16<DreamPhysix>i'm aware
22:16<Kyhwana>DreamPhysix: Like how my packets from NZ want to go through the US to japan
22:16<DreamPhysix>i just was curious why the internet does strange things like that
22:16<DreamPhysix>but i guess i'll learn sooner or later if i decide to further my career in telecommunications
22:17<dwfreed>Kyhwana: my condolences
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22:17<dwfreed>Kyhwana: do they at least stop at Hawaii, or do they go all the way to the mainland?
22:17<Kyhwana>dwfreed: all the way to CA
22:17<dwfreed>Kyhwana: ouch
22:17<@akerl>In reality, sometimes routing is sub-perfect. It's an inevitable fact, because it's based around you not being the only one using it. It's possible that it's transient. Also possible that calling them will help. Unfortunately, nobody here is likely to know why comcast's routing works how it does
22:17<dwfreed>Kyhwana: average latency?
22:17<Kyhwana>not sure if southern cross has any routing thingies to other cables in hawaii
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22:18<Kyhwana>hmm, actually, on FX it goes up to jp directly.. (160ms) at home it's via CA, 260ms
22:19<dwfreed>Kyhwana: wow, that's worse than when I had dialup (latency to this shell server from my home was about 200ms on average, and the route goes through Chicago)
22:19<Kyhwana>no ipv6 on yet?
22:19<DreamPhysix>so basically, the internet routes in strange ways because it can?
22:19<osla>what i wanted to test for was if a domain I have not control of wanted to be used on a site hosted on my server. where the domain owner would have to point the cname record to the domain hosted on the server. where by I dont need to have the domain name included on the server. just like how one uses his/her domain name for google aps
22:19<dwfreed>Kyhwana: I don't think any of the hosts have IPv6 yet
22:20<Kyhwana>dwfreed: but tokyo has v6!
22:20<@akerl>osla: Sure
22:20<dwfreed>Kyhwana: and so does every other DC; and yet, none of the host DNS names have AAAA records
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22:20<Kyhwana>dwfreed: fail
22:23<osla>what i wanted to test for was if a domain I have not control of wanted to be used on a site hosted on my server. where the domain owner would have to point the cname record to the domain hosted on the server. where by I dont need to have the domain name included on the server. just like how one uses his/her domain name for google aps
22:23<@akerl>osla: Sure
22:25<@akerl>I'd strongly recommend not doing that, though. At least not the way you just did for the test domain
22:26<@akerl>You really don't want a ton of domains showing the same content. A better option is to have one domain show content, and a default virtualhost that catches all other requests and redirects them to the correct domain
22:26<DreamPhysix>has anyone does this before?
22:27<@Praefectus>yes, i wrote and tested that, works just fine
22:27<DreamPhysix>cool, i'll look into it
22:27<linbot>So I herd u liek mudkipz
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22:28<osla>but that is not working
22:28<@akerl>That's not what you've done
22:29<osla>so i have the thoughts thaat my server doed not support it
22:29<@akerl>That's not what's happening. The issue is with your configuration
22:30<@akerl>Right now, your webserver config specifies app.whatever, not demo.thatotherthing. Which is why app.whatever goes to the right place, but demo.thatotherthing does not
22:31<@akerl>You can add demo.newdomain to the apache config and restart, which will show the content like you're describing, but that is a suboptimal solution
22:32<dwfreed>Praefectus: why are in the allow-recursion and allow-transfer blocks in that guide? Also, the Linode nameservers don't need to be able to use the master for recursion, so there's no need to enable recursion at all
22:32<@akerl>If your end result is "lots of domains point to me, and get the same content", a better solution is "one vhost that specifies and shows content, and a default vhost that catches all other domains and redirects to the real domain"
22:33<@Praefectus>dwfreed: how much do you know about cpanel?
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22:35<dwfreed>Praefectus: not that much, but I don't think 3 seemingly arbitrary IP addresses need to be able to do transfers against the master server (especially when one of those IPs is
22:35<@Praefectus>so what you're saying is you just spouted off without any type of research, yes?
22:36<Kyhwana>research? Who does that these days!?
22:36<dwfreed>Praefectus: I run a master BIND DNS server with Linode DNS slaved off of it, so I think I've done some research
22:36<@Praefectus>Kyhwana: apparently they dont teach it anymore
22:36<Kyhwana>also, cpanel
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22:37<@Praefectus>dwfreed: cpanel does things differently, so no, you didnt do any research
22:38<osla>do you mean that I would have to create a vhost for to catch the request from all domains and redirect to the main site?
22:38<dwfreed>Praefectus: you've yet to explain why 3 arbitrary IP addresses need to be able to do transfers against the master server (without any indication in the guide that you should change those IPs to be your Linode's IPs, etc.)
22:39<@Praefectus>well since i wrote that 4 months ago, let me go check
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22:42<osla>Thanks for the support. It now works as expected.
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22:52<@Praefectus>dwfreed: couldnt tell ya, apparently at the time they were needed or i wouldnt have put them in there, but the testing linode was redeployed, so i cant check and see why
22:53<purrdeta>ugh fuck firewalls :/
22:53<@Praefectus>purrdeta: block yourself?
22:53<dwfreed>Praefectus: heh
22:56<purrdeta>no actually. They are just a pain in the ass.
22:57<dwfreed>purrdeta: heh, I find iptables fun :)
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22:57<Peng>dwfreed: THe web server need to be able to xfr for the import feature.
22:57<auraka>Praefectus: i'm so confused what your cpanel statement had to do with the question
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22:57<@Praefectus>which statement
22:57<Peng>dwfreed: That is, the import-from-another-server-and-make-a-master-zone.
22:57<auraka> dwfreed: how much do you know about cpanel?
22:58<dwfreed>Peng: but that's for setting up a slave server, not a master :)
22:58<auraka>that statement
22:58<dwfreed>Peng: (the guide)
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22:58<auraka>just weird....he asked a question about the guide and you went down cpanel's path...
22:58<@Praefectus>auraka: because cpanel does things much differently than what most people do when setting things up themselves
22:58<Peng>Note: I did not follow this conversation, so I don't know what we're talking about.
22:58<Ford_Prefect>Hello. Is anyone having trouble with ipv6 in the London DC?
22:58<@Praefectus>and because the guide he was asking about was specifically about cpanel, in case you missed it
22:58<Peng>Ford_Prefect: mtr?
22:59<Peng>dwfreed: Yeah, AFAIK it's not needed for slaving. Though I've not actually confirmed that, since I have xfrs enabled globally anyway...
22:59<Ford_Prefect>Peng: ah, let me get one
22:59<Kyhwana>Ford_Prefect: It must be thursday
22:59<auraka>Praefectus: i think the person did...not dw....he asked why you had three arbitrary ips in it...and then you lambasted him about knowing nothing about cpanel
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22:59<auraka>go re-read the is quite entertaining
23:00<Ford_Prefect>Kyhwana: :D
23:00<dwfreed>Peng: I have AXFRs (and IXFRs, by extension) enabled only for the 5 Linode nameservers, and have no issues :)
23:00<Peng>"Lambast" is a cool word.
23:00<@Praefectus>auraka: the guide is specifically about doing something with cpanel
23:00<dwfreed>Peng: you missed an 'e'
23:00<BootAdmin>Flood Admin Program
23:00<auraka>even if it is specifically about cpanel what would that have to do with three arbitrary ips
23:00<dwfreed>oh dear
23:00<BootAdmin>Flood Admin Program
23:00<DreamPhysix>Yes, lets all click an executable called sex
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23:01<auraka>just seemed weird
23:01<DreamPhysix>I don't need higher education to tell you thats sketchy :\
23:01<@Praefectus>DreamPhysix: thats completely legit, what're you talkin about?
23:01<auraka> Praefectus: why are in the allow-recursion and allow-transfer blocks in that guide? Also, the Linode nameservers don't ne
23:01<auraka> master for recursion, so there's no need to enable recursion at all
23:01<DreamPhysix>you're a bad admin for saying that :(
23:02<auraka>the original question...
23:02<purrdeta>dwfreed: aww. :P
23:02<squircle>hah, that exe link 404s :P
23:02<@Praefectus>auraka: i;m not going through it again, scroll up.
23:02<DreamPhysix>squircle: there's a missing w on the second url probably
23:02<Ford_Prefect>Peng: doesn't seem to be going anywhere from my box even. My HE tunnel works though, so it /shouldn't/ be a local config problem.
23:02<squircle>i want to download it and see if I can decompile it
23:02<DreamPhysix>but it's in your best interest not to click it
23:02<dwfreed>purrdeta: ?
23:02<squircle>DreamPhysix: nope, not the w, still 404s
23:02<DreamPhysix>well that's probably a good thing
23:02<auraka>anyway i'm going to shut up...just seemed like you tried to beat someone up with "you don't know what your talking about" when you went off topic of the question
23:03<DreamPhysix>unless it's a fake 404 error
23:03<squircle>DreamPhysix: and i'm not on windows (and i'm not going to run it on wine)
23:03<DreamPhysix>with some javascript or something else malicious behind it
23:03<squircle>cool kids use wget
23:03<purrdeta>dwfreed: that you like iptables :P
23:03<dwfreed>purrdeta: oh, heh
23:03<DreamPhysix>i'm on windows 7 for a number of reasons but i run ubuntu under virtualbox :P
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23:04<auraka>DreamPhysix: weren't you the one that rage quit the other day or am I thinking of something else?
23:04<DreamPhysix>that was i
23:04<squircle>glad you came back <3
23:04<auraka>ohh...okay....back already? Thought you took your ball home because your feelings were hurt?
23:05<retro|blah>auraka: I took my feelings home because my balls were hurt.
23:05<dwfreed>purrdeta: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-host-unreachable # fun, fun, fun
23:05<auraka>retro|blah: stay out of the m-4-m craigslist ads then
23:06<Ford_Prefect>Peng: iptables failure :)
23:06<auraka>dwfreed: why would you do that
23:06<Peng>Ford_Prefect: Oh, fun. I'm curious, what was the rule?
23:06<dwfreed>auraka: well, it stops every ssh brute forcer I've seen
23:07<Ford_Prefect>I've got INPUT set to drop by default, so had to add: ip6tables -A INPUT -p icmpv6 -j ACCEPT
23:07<dwfreed>auraka: and it's easier than port knocking
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23:07<auraka>... why are you specifying -m ?
23:08<Ford_Prefect>Peng: ^ (had that done for v4 already, didn't realise v6 needed a separate rule)
23:08<dwfreed>auraka: eh, no idea; -p tcp implies -m tcp, but meh
23:08<dwfreed>auraka: I blame iptables-save for that, though, as I copied that from the save file
23:08<auraka> don't need that
23:09<auraka>secondly....why not just rate limit new connection attempts to port 22 from the same ip
23:10<auraka>or.....just allow them to ssh and use fail2ban to blackhole them after they screw up?
23:10<Peng>It'll be fun when SSH brute-forcers start using IPv6.
23:10<auraka>Peng: which is why I just change the port *shrug* less headache
23:10<dwfreed>auraka: fail2ban is actually more effort than this
23:11<dwfreed>Peng: then I whitelist; I really only need to log into my machine from 1 address, plus 1 or 2 more for other services I provide, so those are easy ACCEPT rules, and then a DROP afterwards
23:13<mbreslin>you forgot me
23:14<mbreslin>i should obviously be on everyone's white list
23:14<dwfreed>yeah, sure, what's your IP?
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23:14<mbreslin>it's a bunch of 0-9 and a-f with some : throughout
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23:16<dwfreed>oh, I see it; "ip6tables -I INPUT --src 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:929e -j REJECT --reject-with icmp6-addr-unreachable"...
23:16<auraka>mbreslin: you're on're white and your on my list of people to smite
23:16<dwfreed>Whoops, did I say that out loud?
23:17<auraka>wtf id that
23:17<auraka>JUST DROP IT
23:17<DreamPhysix>can i ask a stupid question besides the one you just read?
23:17<dwfreed>auraka: but REJECT is so much more fun
23:17<auraka>dwfreed: no
23:17<mbreslin>dwfreed: i generally ssh from home not from my linode ;p
23:17<Ford_Prefect>Peng: thanks for pointing me the right way :)
23:17<auraka>it requries more resources
23:18<dwfreed>auraka: not really
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23:18<auraka>DreamPhysix: i was joking btw
23:18<auraka>dwfreed: than a drop....absolutely...
23:18<DreamPhysix>load balancing... is this essentially distributing traffic across multiple environments with the same data?
23:18<dwfreed>auraka: it takes approximately 0.001% more resources; like I'm going to notice the difference
23:19<DreamPhysix>so far i've only had experience with single server implementations, but i want to know more about larger scale environments
23:19<squircle>DreamPhysix: basically
23:19<auraka>not only that if I'm spoofing traffic I can make you basically DoS someone else if you do something silly
23:19<DreamPhysix>do they use the same storage systems?
23:19<squircle>is there a llst somewhere of all AFRINIC/APNIC IP address assignments?
23:19<DreamPhysix>or just mirrors?
23:19<Kyhwana>squircle: yep
23:19<squircle>DreamPhysix: they can, it's totally variable
23:19<squircle>Kyhwana: link? :P
23:19<squircle>my google-fu is low tonight
23:20<squircle>everything I see is about how the IPv4 address space is depleted :-/
23:20<Kyhwana>there's lists of assignments somewhere :P I know there is some somewhere on APNICs ftp site
23:20<Kyhwana>also APNIC has already assigned (almost) all of theirs
23:21<dwfreed>There might be something on IANA's site about which blocks have been delegated to APNIC/AfriNIC
23:21<auraka>dwfreed: you know who else took a large block recently
23:21<Peng>Dunno about IPv6.
23:22<Peng>Google knew about IPv6...
23:22<linbot>auraka: Yo mommas so full of fail, she managed to DDoS! (729:9/2) [mormu]
23:22<auraka>how very relevant
23:22<JoeK> is a very common attack-ee
23:22<Peng>It's fail because she should've DDoSed ::1.
23:22<JoeK> is where its at
23:24<dwfreed>heh, the United States Postal Service has their own /8
23:25<squircle>doesn't HP have three or something?
23:25<dwfreed>squircle: HP has 1
23:25<squircle>I thought there was one HP-like company that had quite a few...
23:25<retro|blah>And here I am thinking what the *#^)#$#( does Ford need a full /8 for?
23:26<squircle>i was just about to say :P
23:26<retro|blah>Or Halliburton
23:26<dwfreed>DoD and DIS have several
23:26<squircle>why does Merck need one? why does Daimler need one? why does duPont need one?
23:26<retro|blah>or Eli Lilly
23:26<Katana>DoD has the need, heh
23:26<EugeneKay>I wonder if 240/8 through 255/8 will ever be allocated
23:26<Katana>gotta operate the dummy sites to catch the homegrowns
23:27<dwfreed>EugeneKay: probably not
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23:27<EugeneKay>There really are enough addresses in IPv4, it's allocation of them that sucks
23:27<dwfreed>EugeneKay: indeed
23:27<dwfreed>4 billion addresses is probably enough
23:28<squircle>but what else will I use my colon key for?
23:28<chesty>4 billion addresses ought to be enough for anyone
23:28<Katana>PORTS, GOOD SIR
23:28<dwfreed>squircle: directed messages on IRC when your tab key breaks
23:28<squircle>Katana: right
23:28<dwfreed>And ports
23:28<squircle>also, dwfreed: right
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23:29<squircle>also, what's the prefix for representing IPv4 addresses in IPv6? (is it ::ffff:
23:29<dwfreed>Also, accessing alternate data streams in NTFS filesystems mounted in Linux
23:29<dwfreed>squircle: yes
23:29<Solver>it's easy - oldest 4 billion people alive get an address. they aren't allowed to move away from their designated /24 geographic zone (for life
23:29<Solver>prblem solved
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23:29<squircle>dwfreed: danke
23:30<squircle>I wonder if I'm in the oldest 4 billion...
23:30*squircle consults wolfram|alpha
23:30*Solver is :)
23:30<mbreslin>it starts at 55 doesn't it?
23:31<Peng>Solver: No no, we need to reserve a /24 for every person who ever lived, just in case they come back from the dead.
23:31<Peng>So, nobody born in the last 5000 years or so gets an IP. :D
23:31<Katana>voting by ip address
23:32<Peng>Oh, I misinterpreted what you said about /24s. So, everybody who ever lived gets one IP.
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23:33<chesty>an ip address does not identify a person
23:33<DreamPhysix>does apt-get use a fastest mirror thing like yum does?
23:33<DreamPhysix>no equivalent for it then?
23:33<Katana>chesty: scroll up
23:34<chesty>there's a package that picks the fastest mirror DreamPhysix
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23:34<dwfreed>DreamPhysix: mirrorselect might exist for debian
23:34<DreamPhysix>netselect-apt showed up
23:35<DreamPhysix>it seems to od it
23:35<mbreslin>the us could take a /64 and map everyone's social security number to an ipv6 ip when you're born
23:35<squircle>how many digits are U.S. social security numbers?
23:35<Peng>DreamPhysix: Yeah, netselect.
23:35<Peng>Yeah, 9.
23:36<Katana>there's a pattern to their generation though
23:36<chesty>Peng: what's yours?
23:36<squircle>Katana: there is up here too
23:36<retro|blah>Over 9000
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23:36<Katana>squircle: with a little luck, someone in the right office can guess yours knowing DOB and birthplace, though
23:36<Katana>which is the problem
23:37<mbreslin>right but with a 64 it would be 1111:1111:1111:1111:1111:123:45:6789
23:37<squircle>random question: why when I try to boot dban does it immediately terminate with "DBAN finished with non-fatal errors"
23:37<mbreslin>or something like that
23:37<Peng>chesty: 457-55-5462
23:37<squircle>Katana: that wouldn't work up here, luckily
23:37<DreamPhysix>it said it was writing sources.list but it didnt change lol
23:37<DreamPhysix>nevermind found it
23:37<DreamPhysix>doesn't work for ubuntu though
23:38<mbreslin>Katana: the ssn scheme doesn't hold as close as it used to
23:38<mbreslin>Katana: mine can easily be traced to 1 hospital on 1 day, but now it's generally within a group of hospitals
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23:38<Katana>*now* it is
23:39<mbreslin>true i guess you could get the people here
23:39<mbreslin>OK RETRACTED SHEESH
23:39<Katana>...But a significant chunk of the population, that's not true of
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23:39<mbreslin>no fair using logic
23:39<Katana>it surprises me we still rely on SSNs because of this
23:39<Katana>it's as broken as DEERS is >_>
23:40<mbreslin>i wasn't married when i was in so i have no experience with deers
23:40<squircle>why does it seem like every identification number is 9 digits :(
23:40<squircle>so... many... numbers...
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23:41<@Praefectus>9 is magic
23:41<chesty>like mac addreses, no wait
23:41<Katana>9, because ten is double-digit for counting
23:41<Katana>mbreslin: PITA. all you have to know.
23:41<mbreslin>fair enough
23:41<Katana>mbreslin: that and they recently tried integrating it with some new system for biometric ident on this base
23:42<Katana>mbreslin: when they were about to deploy the new system it was down for the three weeks leading up to it
23:42<mbreslin>i was in during the y2k crap
23:42<mbreslin>pretty interesting
23:43<dwfreed>Katana: you're in the military?
23:43<Katana>dwfreed: nay
23:43<Katana>dwfreed: enlisted brat
23:44<mbreslin>Katana: there are gates at all entry points to the base now right?
23:44<mbreslin>checkpoints/guard shacks/whatever
23:44<Katana>mbreslin: yeah, this one has most live monitored
23:45<dwfreed>Katana: ah, heh; I was doing the Air Force ROTC program, until I found out that my medical conditions precluded me
23:45<mbreslin>they were talking about doing that everywhere when i was getting out i don't see how they could do it at fort bragg with a major freeway running through the post
23:45<mbreslin>flat feat?
23:45<Katana>mbreslin: there's one gate that during low traffic hours (it's against the train station) they'll remotely monitor it from camera and get you to show your ID before they let you in
23:45<Katana>mbreslin: Fort Meade was worse
23:45<mbreslin>Katana: weird
23:45<mbreslin>i would hope it is
23:45<dwfreed>I would too
23:46<@Perihelion>ft meade is crazy
23:46<mbreslin>fort meade is where they do all the security clearance crap
23:46<Katana>mbreslin: they had to reroute traffic from a major roadway away from NSA after 9/11 iirc
23:46<Katana>i still remember when they had MPs walking through base housing with the M4s.
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23:46<@Perihelion>I went to MEPS at ft meade
23:46<@Perihelion>It's freaking HUGE
23:46<mbreslin>haha fun
23:47<Katana>Perihelion: It is indeed
23:47<@Perihelion>And scary intel people were there
23:47<mbreslin>sacramento meps where i went is pretty big
23:47<mbreslin>if you had medical crap you wanted to sneak in with you went to oakland meps
23:48<Katana>Perihelion: did you get to see the complex at all, even from afar?
23:48<Katana>the aerials just don't do it justice
23:48<@Perihelion>Been in...I have a TS clearance haha
23:48<Katana>those buildigs are gigantic
23:49<Katana>dad's got one too, heh
23:49<mbreslin>i had s
23:49<@Perihelion>Yeah, I was going to do intel and stuff
23:49<@Perihelion>Then I got medically discharged :<
23:49<dwfreed>Perihelion: :(
23:49<mbreslin>which branch ?
23:50<Katana>Perihelion: ouch, bummer..
23:50<@Perihelion>Well, I was 3rd year AFROTC, which is basically after you sign the paperwork saying they own you. It was pretty much the same status as a reservist.
23:50<@Perihelion>I broke my foot in a parade (lol)
23:50<dwfreed>Perihelion: lol
23:50<@Perihelion>And the way it broke "required surgery" to repair
23:51<Katana>"Too expensive, get out"
23:51<mbreslin>parades = count down waiting for someone to pass out and fall on their face
23:51<mbreslin>good times
23:51<@Perihelion>Nah, it would have been covered haha
23:51<@Perihelion>But I could walk just fine and it didn't hurt me at all
23:51<@Perihelion>But the xrays were a little funny
23:51<@Perihelion>Had to do all of this dumb medical board stuff
23:51<mbreslin>ugh yeah
23:51<Katana>dad's been going through heart stuff for years.
23:51<mbreslin>my wife tried to join but she has an eye thing, she did the board
23:51<Katana>god that's been a blast to watch. >_>
23:52<mbreslin>denied a waiver
23:52<@Perihelion>I could probably try again
23:52<Katana>right now anyways, dad's contracting with DoD
23:52<dwfreed>Perihelion: how was your Field Training experience?
23:52<@Perihelion>Been thinking about becoming a weekend warrior :P
23:53<@Perihelion>dwfreed: It sucked
23:53<Katana>setting up comms routes for military use anyways
23:53<@Perihelion>But I lived
23:53<mbreslin>i have a scar on my stomach from a barbed wire fence and almost didn't get in they said i was trying to hide an appendectomy
23:53<@Perihelion>Do you still have your appendix?
23:53<mbreslin>which if i did get an appendectomy it was the worst dr ever since the scar is horribly jagged
23:53<@Perihelion>That's like the ultimate proof :P
23:53<mbreslin>of course yeah
23:53<mbreslin>no kidding
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23:54<dwfreed>Perihelion: which slot did you get? Max-6 would have been a pain for me, because of when my college started classes
23:54<Katana>HERE LOOK *pull it out* SEE, STILL HAVE IT
23:54<@Perihelion>dwfreed: I don't was in June though
23:55<dwfreed>Perihelion: wow, that must have been hot as hell
23:55<mbreslin>at least you guys were stmart going af
23:55<@Perihelion>I didn't notice...too busy trying not to get my ass lit up
23:55<mbreslin>if i could do it all over i would have went af
23:55<@Perihelion>What branch are you in?
23:55<mbreslin>it's like the pretend military ;x
23:55<mbreslin>i got out in 2001 army
23:55<Katana>mbreslin: Blues Mondays.
23:56<dwfreed>Perihelion: what career field were you going for?
23:56<@Perihelion>I tend to think that the AF treats their people better
23:56<Katana>dress up and look like a pretty flight attendant every monday
23:56<mbreslin>everyone calling each other by their first name
23:56<mbreslin>minimal pt
23:56<@mikegrb>mmm cake
23:56<mbreslin>cake ;p
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23:56<@Perihelion>dwfreed: intel! I don't remember the super long name for it, but basically monitoring data that predators brought in
23:57<dwfreed>Perihelion: nice; I would have done Cyber Warfare (which is actually a new field)
23:57<mbreslin>cw sounds awesome
23:57<@Perihelion>I was going to do that at the NSA :3
23:57<@Perihelion>NSA was pick number 2
23:57<Katana>that'd be fun
23:57<@Perihelion>Then I applied to this random company named Linode and got a job or something
23:57<Katana>probably be on the same team that showed iran's systems who is teh bawss
23:58<dwfreed>Perihelion: and now you do Marketing :)
23:58<@Perihelion>Which is the exact opposite of my degrees ^_^
23:58<Katana>it's paper
23:58<Katana>meaningless in the long run anyways
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23:59<@Perihelion>Yay, first
23:59<@Perihelion>Anyway, the master's degree still means something since not a lot of people have one in that field yet
23:59<@Perihelion>(computer forensics)
23:59<mbreslin>er anyone else lagging?
23:59<dwfreed>Perihelion: a briefing I did my first year
23:59<dwfreed>mbreslin: nope :)
23:59<Katana>i can never tell when the channel log gets rotated.
23:59<rnowak>nope, no lag
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