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---Logopened Wed Mar 14 00:00:00 2012
---Daychanged Wed Mar 14 2012
00:00<Kyhwana>Hmm, if linbot has ops and gets a "whoops" will it kick itself?
00:00*CaptObviousman smells abuse
00:00<squircle>so, !justask > CaptObviousman, for example, would send CaptObviousman a private message with that factoid
00:00<+dwfreed>Kyhwana: doubtful
00:00<Kyhwana>dwfreed: nuts
00:00<CaptObviousman>must be tested!
00:00<CaptObviousman>!to linbot rr
00:00<linbot>linbot: *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
00:00*linbot reloads and spins the chambers.
00:00<DreamPhysix>!library mysql debian
00:00<linbot>DreamPhysix: 1. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Arch Linux - | 2. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Fedora 13 - | 3. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Fedora 12 -
00:00<DreamPhysix>!library mysql debian install
00:00<squircle>!to squircle to squircle
00:00<linbot>DreamPhysix: 1. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Arch Linux - | 2. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Fedora 13 - | 3. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Fedora 12 -
00:00<Kyhwana>CaptObviousman: It doesn't have ops :P
00:00<CaptObviousman>oh he's not opped
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00:01<Kyhwana>yeah, that woulda been better if it had
00:01<squircle>!to squircle to squircle to squircle echo hello
00:01<linbot>squircle: squircle: squircle: hello
00:01<squircle>i'll stop now.
00:01<CaptObviousman>this is the bestest alias evar!
00:01*CaptObviousman doesn't want to grow hairy palms, so stops playing with it
00:01<Kyhwana>Now we just need someone to use it on, properly.
00:02-!-squircle is now known as HELPME11111
00:02<CaptObviousman>!to linbot op
00:02<HELPME11111>guys, am I allowed to ask questions here?
00:02<Forest>Okay, so, having looked into it, PHP-FPM looks quite cool, but it looks like it will be a hassle to set up. Specifically, it looks like if I just follow the standard recipe for setting up a LAMP stack, I'll get mod_php, whereas if I want to do php-fpm, I have to do a special installation. Given my limited experience and my relatively low traffic, this doesn't seem worth it. Did I get that right?
00:02<CaptObviousman>aww it's already gone
00:02<linbot>Forest: *click*
00:02-!-HELPME11111 is now known as squircle
00:02<CaptObviousman>Forest: it's actually not hard to set up at all
00:02<+dwfreed>I don't think linbot can op itself
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00:02<squircle>challenge accepted
00:02<CaptObviousman>!to CaptObviousman rr
00:03<CaptObviousman>yeah that didn't last long =)
00:03<Kyhwana>This is why we can't have nice things
00:03<squircle>i made linbot recurse once until it died, although apparently now there's protection for that in supybot's code
00:03<EugeneKay>Forest - yes. Use mod_php on 10.04 or 11.10 to get it up "right now"; upgrade to 12.04+php-fpm+memcached later.
00:03<DreamPhysix>dwfreed: I'm having major issues installing mysql-server from apt
00:03<Forest>EugeneKay, I like that plan. Thanks.
00:03<DreamPhysix>i've purged, removed, dpkg-reconfigured, everything :(
00:04<+dwfreed>I've not used MySQL since like 5.1.something
00:04<Forest>By the way, I never got a clear sense. Is the upgrade path to 12.04 easier from 10.04 or from 11.10/
00:04<retro|blah>Forest: In theory both upgrade paths should be supported
00:04<Forest>And in practice the same?
00:05<retro|blah>Hard to say what it's actually going to be like though when 12.04 comes out, until it actually happens ;)
00:05<+dwfreed>Forest: depends on how much ubuntu breaks; LTS->LTS always has a clear straight-forward upgrade path; general->LTS may not be so
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00:07<DreamPhysix>is it possible that the repo im using has a bad mysql server copy?
00:07<+dwfreed>unless it was recently changed, debian repos don't move very fast
00:07<squircle>DreamPhysix: what isn't working?
00:08<DreamPhysix>i am trying to install mysql-server on my dedicated server (not linode) through apt and mysql won't boot out of the box and the logs are empty
00:08<DreamPhysix>i've purged, removed, dpkg-reconfigured more than once
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00:09<Forest>Awesome. Then tomorrow I'll purchase a new linode with ubuntu 10.04 and will install a LAMP stack. This summer I'll upgrade to 12.04 + php-fpm + memcached.
00:09<daftspunk>creating a new user with --shell /bin/bash but this doesnt exist, what do i use instead?
00:09<CaptObviousman>Forest: if you decide to go for php on 10.04
00:09<Forest>The only other question I had was Apache vs. nginx, but I think that one is easy for me. Given that my traffic will be super low, and given that I'm a noob, Apache seems easier. Right?
00:09<CaptObviousman>the nginx project has backported php up through 5.3.10 (latest) on their ppa
00:09<Forest>What's a ppa?
00:09<DreamPhysix>and i'm confused as to why apt-get install mysql-server tries to stop a mysqld process
00:09<CaptObviousman>personal package archive
00:09<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: #mysql on freenode might be more helpful
00:10<CaptObviousman>a place that hosts packages that's not official
00:10<auraka>DreamPhysix: dwfreed is a mysql expert, helped me a bunch
00:10<Forest>I see. Did I not convince you that I'm noobish nough that apache is the better route?
00:10*dwfreed stabs auraka repeatedly
00:10<DreamPhysix>i got some more information from terminal this tiiem around
00:10<DreamPhysix>dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mysql-server:
00:10<+dwfreed>Forest: nginx might actually be easier :) (once you get past php-fpm)
00:11<auraka>DreamPhysix: and....because it needs to stop the database for updates likely?
00:11<auraka>dwfreed: what?
00:11<DreamPhysix>i'll try dpkg --configure as suggested
00:11<CaptObviousman>well, having set up apache, nginx, and lighttpd, I see that the distinctions between them as far as configuration are minimal at best
00:12<Forest>I recall looking in to it earlier and wondering if Mediawiki played well with nginx. The mediawiki documentation specifically mentions apache and never nginx. Perhaps that's just the fact that it hasn't been updated, but still..
00:12<Forest>But, at core, I really don't serve a lot of static files. I'm mostly wiki pages and forum threads.
00:12<+dwfreed>Forest: I have set up 2 mediawiki installations on nginx without a hitch
00:12<CaptObviousman>which is being built on the fly via php?
00:13<CaptObviousman>for a starting noob, apache+mod_php is very very easy
00:13<CaptObviousman>you're right to start there then move up
00:13<Forest>Or, at least, that's where the performance bottleneck is. I expect that I probably will only ever have about 1 or 2 people on the site at one time, max.
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00:14<Forest>Plus, I already bought a book on apache. It just feels like the ecosystem is more complete.
00:15<auraka>Forest: careful'll offend the nginx users and the cherokee user
00:15<Kyhwana>What about the litespeed users?
00:15<DreamPhysix>will rebooting the box after doing apt-get remove and purge solve any issues?
00:15<Forest>dwfreed, good to know that. Perhaps I'll switch my other server, though I've already figured out how to set up Varnish.
00:15<auraka>Kyhwana: I don't talk about people who don't matter
00:15<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: doubtful
00:15<DreamPhysix>how about rm -rf /
00:16<Forest><googling cherokee like a noob>
00:16<auraka>Forest: don't bother
00:17<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: yeah, that'll solve all your problems
00:17<auraka>and ours
00:17<DreamPhysix>i don't cause you problems :<
00:18<praetorian>now that you mention it.
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00:19<Forest>hmmm.... Cherokee certainly looked interesting.
00:19<DreamPhysix>i fixed it
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00:20<auraka>Forest: don't do it
00:20<DreamPhysix>i wonder where phpmyadmin puts its stuff in apache
00:20<+dwfreed>it doesn't
00:21<DreamPhysix>well it redirects somehow
00:21<+dwfreed>it adds a vhost in /etc/apache/sites-available, iirc
00:21<+dwfreed>but that's it
00:21<auraka>DreamPhysix: rtfm
00:21<Forest>Okay, Cherokee off my list. LAMP it is.
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00:22<DreamPhysix>i'm dumb
00:22<auraka>Forest: good idea
00:22<auraka>DreamPhysix: that has been established
00:22<DreamPhysix>i did nano *
00:22<DreamPhysix>which created a * file
00:22<DreamPhysix>and guess how i deleted it
00:23<+dwfreed>rm '*' would be the sane way
00:23<Forest>Thanks everyone. I'm signing off, but will probably be back tomorrow, either for more help or simply to gloat over my first unmanaged VPS.
00:23<DreamPhysix>rm *
00:23<DreamPhysix>it deleted that file though.. >_>
00:23<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: /o\
00:24<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: and any others in that folder
00:24<DreamPhysix>well my vhost files but when i a2ensite it restored them
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00:24<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: because they're symlinks
00:25<+dwfreed>DreamPhysix: a2ensite just creates symlinks from /etc/apache2/sites-available into /etc/apache/sites-enabled
00:25<DreamPhysix>that makes sense
00:27<DreamPhysix>okay forced ssl for phpmyadmin now im done destroying my box
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00:29<DreamPhysix>rm -rf /
00:29<+dwfreed>doesn't work
00:29<+dwfreed>you need either --no-preserve-root, or rm -rf /*
00:29<CaptObviousman>stop that DreamPhysix
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00:32<DreamPhysix>where's the trash can :D
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00:35<EugeneKay>dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/xvda
00:37<+dwfreed>then it's really gone
00:37<DreamPhysix>i know what that does EugeneKay :)
00:37<Katana>for kicks, SRM!
00:38<Katana>i wonder if srm works on root.
00:38*Katana clones local server VM
00:38<Katana>Need more HDD space >.>
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00:45*auraka straces Peng
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00:46<+dwfreed>Peng: thus --preserve-root is default in rm
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01:00<Casoe84dk>I have a small problem. I have gotten a mail that someone have tryed to gain access to my mailserver yesterday with ip and everything, but there is nothing in my /var/log/mail.log for that time frame
01:01<Katana>check auth.log
01:01<Casoe84dk>where can I check if someone have got access in someway and removed data
01:01<Casoe84dk>Katana is it there that logins are logged?
01:01<squircle>it's not some sort of phishing email, is it?
01:02<Casoe84dk>squircle no it's from my logcheck system
01:02<momon>I'm trying to figure out if its possible to add more diskspace on a linode vps, I have a website which uses a lot of media, currently close to 200GB, so I am trying to see if there is a solution for this?
01:03<squircle>Casoe84dk: well go back to that time in /var/log/auth.log (or whatever relevant logs there are) and check
01:03<Casoe84dk>that is allso empty in that timeframe
01:03<squircle>momon: it's not cost-effective to store that much data on your linode, unless you're looking at a 4096 or greater
01:03<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
01:03<bob2>momon, ^
01:03<bob2>though upgrading to a higher plan is likely mroe sensible
01:04<bob2>also if it's just media crap via http, you may want s3/RSC instead
01:05<momon>humm, but the biggest one I see listed only has 160 gb
01:05<squircle>click on "view larger plans"
01:05<bob2> has the full plan list
01:05<momon>ohh I see
01:06<squircle>momon: and if it's just media and stuff, you may be better to store it elsewhere (do you really need RAID-10 local storage for that kind of stuff)?
01:06<squircle>like bob2 said, "if it's just media crap via http..."
01:06<squircle>(new business plan: "we do media crap via http")
01:06<momon>yeah that was actually my next question, perhaps I could just store all those images on s3 or something similar and mount it on the vps, I'm just not sure of the impact it would have on performance
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01:06<squircle>momon: is it for a web-based thing?
01:07<Casoe84dk>squircle thanks I think I have found out what why and then
01:07<squircle>store them elsewhere, then
01:07<squircle>Casoe84dk: :)
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01:07<squircle>momon: you can FUSE mount Amazon S3, or probably any other provider you choose to use. (I have an S3 bucket FUSE mounted for a couple of things)
01:08<momon>how's performance using Fuse?
01:08<rnowak>would be even better if you don't try acting like it is a block device
01:08<Casoe84dk>squircle another admin had a session some hours before that time, but I know that person was not home at that time
01:08<squircle>momon: not as good as using their APIs directly, but good enough for what I need to use it for. YMMV.
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01:09<Casoe84dk>so I have an idea that his server there allso have ssh keys and everything has been hacked ( I have changed his key now )
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01:09<momon>well i might be able to work something out then, Im using slideshowpro with about 150 gbs of images, that's what's limiting me right now
01:09<momon>if I can host them on s3 or anything else then it would all be peachy
01:10<daftspunk>how do i reset mysql root password?
01:10<rnowak>momon: does slideshowpro allow you to set external URLs for the images?
01:10<momon>it does not
01:10<momon>that's why it would have to be mounted as a drive
01:10<momon>either that or use a different software
01:10<momon>but I've been happy with slideshowpro for a long time
01:10<bob2>don't use fuse
01:10<rnowak>that wouldn't really work out for that purpose, imho, the IO wait would kill you
01:10<momon>makes it easy to manage
01:11<momon>humm, i see
01:11<squircle>for real-time stuff, FUSE-mounted S3 sucks ass
01:11<bob2>fix your stuff to put the images on s3
01:12<momon>I guess I would then need to find a slideshow replacement that natively supports s3 or something similar
01:12<momon>do you know any application like this?
01:12<rnowak>the plan would be to keep a mapping table of files locally, and their equivalent location in S3, and just output URLs in the application that would point to the images on S3
01:12<Kyhwana>daftspunk: ask google?
01:12<rnowak>I have personally no idea if such a thing exists, but if not, it might be a fun coding project for you ;)
01:14<daftspunk>Kyhwana: was too specific - went with
01:17<linbot>New news from forums: Three things Linode should improve upon? in General Discussion <>
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01:33<gylt>I serve 10+ sites on my linode with apache
01:33<gylt>would it be practical to serve from the same linode with two servers?
01:33<gylt>(I'm wanting to try out nginx, as it's easier to work with with django - just wanting to play around with it for the moment being)
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01:34<bob2>it's not easier
01:34<bob2>for django
01:35<Kyhwana>er, what do you mean "two servers"?
01:36<bob2>the short answer is yes but if you have to ask, it's pointless
01:36<bob2>just have apache mod_proxy to your django app, or use mod_wsgi
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01:36<@akerl>bob2: But I hear apache is slow as a dog?
01:37<gylt>well, I was going to use gunicorn+nginx, for other reasons of its own
01:39<rnowak>lulzicorn (:
01:39<Kyhwana>is that like loldozer?
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01:40<bob2>tl;dr just use apache and mod_proxy or mod_wsgi
01:42<rnowak>apache can also do uwsgi if you like to be badass and use uWSGI (:
01:42<Y_Ichiro>I always feel that apache is very bloated
01:42<rnowak>here we go ~
01:43<Y_Ichiro>but that's IMO
01:43<Y_Ichiro>if you have a reason to use it no one's going to stop you though
01:43<rnowak>s/have a reason to use/know how to configure it/
01:43<rnowak>s/it it/it/
01:44<bob2>Y_Ichiro, yeah, lots of people have the unfounded belief
01:44<bob2>nginx is great
01:44<bob2>apache is great
01:44<bob2>muppets misconfiguring apache is unfortunate
01:45<rnowak>twats, los retardos, illiterates, cool kids etc etc
01:50<bob2>silly people
01:51<gylt>I was thinking it might have some relation to puppet
01:52<gylt>but I guess you just really did meant it as "people who're not greatly smart"
02:03<CaptObviousman>well at its core, apache is just a file browser
02:03<CaptObviousman>it's all the other crap people add in by default that slow it down
02:06<bob2>i've been outtrolled once more
02:07*rnowak gives #cookie to @bob2
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03:16<CaptObviousman>hmm, so installing php extensions with pecl
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03:16<CaptObviousman>it claims to have modified my php.ini file, but ... I see no modifications
03:16<CaptObviousman>so the question remains, which of the three php.ini files DID it modify?
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03:19<levi501d>hey has anyone here used paypals bill me later?
03:23<@akerl>Yea, it works.
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03:37<levi501d>does it have a monthly fee or anything or just cost when you use it?
03:37<rnowak>surely paypal has that information on its site?
03:38<levi501d>oh nevermind, i cant pay with paypal
03:38<levi501d>was going to see if i could just buy a year using bill me later
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03:39<levi501d>and no, unurprisingly there is very little info on hidden fee's ect.. on their site
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03:45<Kyh>..., no you can't
03:45<Kyh>I was wondering why you were asking in here
03:45<Kyh>But no, you can't for linodes with paypal
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04:37<vadviktor>Hello! I am looking for akerl or hackman (maybe heckman) as I was told they use Arch linux on their Linodes.
04:37<jarr0dsz>good morning everyone
04:37<linbot>The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization.
04:37<jarr0dsz>has anyone expierience with rtmpd ?
04:37<Kyh>Don't use arch, or you'll end up like the romans
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04:37<jarr0dsz>i just installed it on my linode yesterday
04:37<Kyh>jarwtf is rtmpd?
04:37<jarr0dsz> streaming media thingy
04:39<Peng>vadviktor: For what it's worth, yes, it's heckman. (Sorry for the highlight, heckman.)
04:39<vadviktor>Thanks for the correction Peng! :)
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04:41<vadviktor>What do you think, should I send them a message privately or just look back often to see if they are around? (I am not used to IRC customs)
04:42<Kyh>Just wait till they're awake or just ask your question
04:42<Kyh>!to vadviktor ask
04:42<linbot>vadviktor: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
04:43<vadviktor>Thank you :) Ok I ask.
04:43<Peng>linbot: But someone isn't always willing to help with Arch.
04:43<Peng>Oh god Caramelldansen.
04:43<rnowak>Peng: why do you put yourself through that?
04:44<vadviktor>I am using Arch and I wish to have it's stock kernel used on my linode. I wish to get help as there is no official wiki about it's correct setup.
04:44<rnowak>!library pv-grub
04:44<linbot>rnowak: 1. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances -
04:44<Kyh>!library pvgrub
04:44<linbot>Kyh: No results. :(
04:44<Kyh>bah, that ^
04:45<vadviktor>Hello akerl! :) I have just run through it, but my linode said it cannot boot because it cannot find it's partition.
04:45<@akerl>Pastebin your grub/menu.lst?
04:45<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
04:45<vadviktor>I must have screwed something up during the process?
04:46<rnowak>MIR used Arch, see how that ended
04:47<vadviktor>akerl, I have compied the exact same menu.lst entries as in that forum thread
04:47<@akerl>Remove the initrd line?
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04:48<vadviktor>modified it like in the thread to /boot/initramfs-linux.img
04:49<vadviktor>I had some warnings during the kernel recreation, but no errors
04:49<vadviktor>don't ask, I don't have them :(
04:49<@akerl>Remove the initrd line?
04:49<vadviktor>no, kept it
04:49<@akerl>Yes, remove it
04:50<vadviktor>So you say that thread is correct in all other aspects except that initrd line?
04:51<@akerl>idk. I get my kernel from + the linode configs, not pacman
04:52<vadviktor>According the library entry on pv-grub, I have to disable the "xenify" setting for my linode too, right?
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05:05<asabil>Hi all
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05:06<asabil>wondering if there are any limits on the linode balancer?
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05:08<asabil>such as max number of simultaneous connections?
05:08<levi501d>haha at arch comment :D
05:09<linbot>The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization.
05:09<asabil>or the rate of connections/s
05:10<Peng>asabil: Yes, there is a maximum number of simultaneous connections. I think it's 5000.
05:11<asabil>ouch, that's pretty low
05:11<tparker>that's a lot of concurrent connections
05:11<asabil>well, I just happen to need far more :(
05:12<Peng>You can get several NodeBalancers and load-balance them.
05:12<asabil>the service we are hosting on linode requires many long lived connections
05:12<asabil>hmm is that possible on linode?
05:13<asabil>Can I load balance the load balancers?
05:13<tparker>you can definitely scale horizontally with more NodeBalancers
05:14<asabil>Basically relying on DNS to load balance the NodeBalancers?
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05:15<Peng>asabil: Yes, relying on DNS.
05:15<asabil>I wanted to make use of the "least connections" distribution model on the load balancer
05:17<asabil>DNS would push in the opposite direction, no?
05:17<rnowak>you'd rr in two locations, more or less, and it should even itself out pretty well
05:18<asabil>that would indeed balance itself very well if the connections have a very similar lifespan
05:19<Peng>It's improbable that they would not.
05:19<asabil>the problem I have today is that the connections have a very different lifespan
05:19<rnowak>if you need more advanced load balancing, you'd probably need to look at a more complex setup, where the load balancer is told the current state of all application servers
05:20<asabil>btw, I was planning on using NodeBalancer as a TCP load balancer, not as an HTTP load balancer
05:20<Peng>asabil: Using multiple DNS records would arbitrarily distribute the connections between the load balancers. It's improbably they'd average out to having a significantly different number of connections.
05:21<rnowak>what's lifespan range anyway, the extremes, mean, and average?
05:21<asabil>I am using DNS today to load balance 10 nodes, and I unfortunately end up with quite uneven distribution of the connections
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05:22<asabil>a connection can last few days :)
05:22<Peng>Huh. Well, if you only had, say, 2-3 NodeBalancers, the distribution would probably be somewhat better.
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05:22<asabil>that's indeed true
05:24<Peng>I realize that "probably somewhat" is not a ringing endorsement.
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05:24<asabil>it's a quite tricky problem to solve
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05:25<rnowak>would it not be possible for you to implement client redirection in your server software?
05:25<Peng>That's something your load balancer should be doing, isn't it?
05:26<rnowak>there's plenty of ways to solve it, but using generic software which has no input on the actual status of the application servers, does not always work
05:26<rnowak>of course it is, but nodebalancers can't
05:26<asabil>client redirection will probably work, but it's quite an undertaking
05:27<asabil>rnowak, in our application, 1 connection has the same cost, so a load balancer that keeps track of the number of connection will load balance pretty well
05:29<rnowak>I mean, you could do that specific setup in a few different ways too. If you implement it in a way that every single server can migrate clients, you could do graceful migrations for upgrades etc.
05:30<rnowak>If you do it as a two-step process where clients oonnect to an arbitrator, which would be some kind of load balancer, and then it tells them where to connect next, could work too - but it is no short undetaking as you noted above
05:30<rnowak>would also depend on a "masters"
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05:51<jarr0dsz>what exactly are compiled .so files? are those some library packs?
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05:53<EugeneKay>!google compiled .so file
05:53<linbot>EugeneKay: Linux Tutorial - Static, Shared Dynamic and Loadable Linux Libraries: <>; Shared objects for the object disoriented!: <>; Imposterrific - a blog by Jeff Scudder: Creating and Using .so Files ...: <>; (2 more messages)
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05:58<Peng>jarr0dsz: If you're familiar with Windows, they're basically the equivalent of DLLs.
05:59<jarr0dsz>Peng: okay cool yeah im trying to figure out a server and recalled .so is used for php modules to so that makes sense
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06:00<Peng>jarr0dsz: They're used for everything else, too. It's not something PHP-specific.
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06:28<asabil>rnowak: thanks, I am looking at how we could do this
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06:55<bob2>tldr round robin dns isn't suitable as your only load balancing
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07:10<asabil>another question, is the bandwidth between the NodeBalancers and the actual nodes capped to 50mbps?
07:11<bob2>i think linode gives you a gold star if you manage to get > 50mbit/s out of a nodebalancer
07:11<asabil>hmm? We are hitting that limit intra-cluster
07:13<asabil>and a node gets above 5mbps out, given 10 nodes behind the NodeBalancer that's 50mbps
07:13<asabil>where is our gold star?
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07:25<jarr0dsz>im investigating some specific server apps to run
07:25<jarr0dsz>only they can only run on 64bits, that would be higly unwanted in terms of memory consumption woudent it?
07:25<bob2>slightly unwanted on small linodes
07:25<bob2>wanted on larger ones
07:25<jarr0dsz>if you take the cheapest linode, with what is it 512mb
07:26<jarr0dsz>how much would a 64 bits process eats up? specifically im talking adobe media server here
07:26<jarr0dsz>not sure how many memory that would need to run
07:26<bob2>adobe media server runs on linux? really?
07:27<jarr0dsz>yes on 64 bits centos only
07:27<bob2>you mean RHEL I assume
07:28<Peng>asabil: Outbound bandwidth from nodes is 50 Mbps period, no matter the destination.
07:29<@akerl>(Unless the cap is raised)
07:30<jarr0dsz>aah it needs 4gb of ram ;p fms
07:31<jarr0dsz>that would become a tiny bit expensive, how much would upgrading the cheapest linode to 4gb cost? or do you have to switch accounts to make it possible
07:31<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
07:31<jarr0dsz>hmmz would become very very expensive thx bob
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07:32<jarr0dsz>4gb is the max i see on its even recommended to have 8gb that beast is way to big then
07:32<bob2>except it's not
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07:38<hawk>jarr0dsz: You would switch to the 4gb (or higher) plan if that's the amount of memory you need. Extras have a silly price point.
07:38<jarr0dsz>hawk: yes that would become way to expensive ;p im just a student ;p
07:39<jarr0dsz>so im looking at other rtmp server options now dont need full blown fms features anyway
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08:16<alelnro1>Guys, I am having a problem with my application, my app connects and reconnects automatically every 15 seconds I researched on google and found out it's a linode problem. Can someone help me?
08:17<alelnro1>You can see the page here:
08:17<alelnro1>Check with firebug, you will se that it get's connected every 10/15 seconds
08:19<rnowak>"found out it's a linode problem" - any more details on that?
08:19<alelnro1>not really
08:19<alelnro1>let me look for the page
08:19<alelnro1>I found
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08:20<rnowak>Ok, and what is the correlation besides a few people having the application hosted on linode?
08:21<alelnro1>rnowak: I just want my app to work fine,
08:21<alelnro1>And on my localhost it works excellent..
08:21<alelnro1>I mean
08:21<alelnro1>It does not disconnect
08:22<rnowak>what transport protocol does it use?
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08:23<alelnro1>I've no idea, I think that UDP
08:24<mwalling>alelnro1: there is a lot of internet between argentina and london. there is no internet between you and localhost
08:24<alelnro1>Yes I know!!
08:24<alelnro1>So what should I do?
08:25<mwalling> ?
08:26<alelnro1>what can I do with thar?
08:30<alelnro1>I can't access to akerl sysctl -w \
08:31<rnowak>I wouldn't want to fiddle with akerl's sysctl
08:36<praetorian>rnowak: i think you meant "wiht akerl's of time sysctl"
08:36<rnowak>praetorian: ;)
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08:37<alelnro1>so guys what should I do??
08:37*Peng irritates praetorian's sysctl.
08:38<rnowak>alelnro1: knowing what you're doing always helps, so go and learn stuff!
08:38<alelnro1>I know what I am doing...
08:38<rnowak>12:23:54 alelnro1: I've no idea, I think that UDP
08:39<alelnro1>That has nothing to do with it
08:39<rnowak>no of course not
08:39<alelnro1>If I know or not, it doesn't change, it's protocol
08:39<alelnro1>I can't change it
08:39<dzho>"I know what I am doing" is what I'm thinking right around the time of making a colossal screw up.
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08:39<rnowak>mwalling linked you to something that could possibly solve your issue, but since you think it uses UDP, obviously you wouldn't change settings which affect TCP
08:40<alelnro1>rnowak: yes, but sudo sysctl -w \ isn't doing anything
08:40<dzho>it's waiting for the next line
08:40<Peng>Oogh, deja vu. Stupid brain.
08:41<rnowak> \ is a commonly used line continuation character, that ignores the following line break
08:42<dzho>if you copypasta anything that has \ in it, you're doing it wrong
08:43<praetorian>Peng: oh i love how you irritate it
08:43<dzho>that stuff needs to be typed, or vigilantly edited to ensure that the whole thing goes in without characters trailing the \ but that every subsequent line is entered correctly.
08:43<rnowak>also, man sysctl
08:43<rnowak>akshully, no, brb
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08:43<dzho>man all the things, really :-)
08:44<rnowak>was wondering where my sysctl man page went, typed it wrong (:
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08:55<jarr0dsz>is there a limit on outgoing mb/s for a linode?
08:56<jarr0dsz>say i want to stream data true the linode would there be a cap on how much mb one can pass true at any time?
08:56<webroasters>real quick SSL question. is it still true that you can't use SSL on multiple virtual hosts, on one linode (single ip)??
08:56<webroasters>or has that changed?
08:56<rnowak>you can if you can get away with using SNI
08:56<webroasters>what's SNI
08:56<jarr0dsz>webroasters: i thought ssl was tied to 1 single ip but not sure there i guess you certicicate does not match a then and will be flagged invalid/
08:56<squircle>!google sni
08:57<linbot>squircle: Server Name Indication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; SNI Companies - A premier provider of recruitment and staffing ...: <>; Seneca Nation of Indians: <>; SNI Global Sports Nutrition: <>; SNI: Summary for Scripps Networks Interactive, I- Yahoo! Finance: (1 more message)
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08:57<Nivex>not everything supports SNI though
08:57<@akerl>All the cool kids use SNI. That's good enough, right?
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08:58<webroasters>:) lol
08:58<Peng>jarr0dsz: Outbound traffic is limited to 50 Mbps by default. This can be raised if you need it.
08:58<webroasters>alright guys. I appreciate it
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08:59<jarr0dsz>Peng: ok thx i dont expect that to be more than 50mb second but it may be in the future and just wondered the -what if - ;p what would be the additional costs for a structural increase in case needed?
08:59<Peng>jarr0dsz: I don't think there is any, but don't quote me on it.
09:00<@heckman>Just need to be hitting the cap
09:00<Peng>OK, do quote me on it.
09:00<@heckman>Or, technical justification / steady traffic increase
09:00<jarr0dsz>okay but say i need like 100 mb or 200mb in the future? that would be still possible?
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09:00<jarr0dsz>im building a data intensive application though increase in users would increase bandwith
09:00<@heckman>We can work with you to bump it up, can't commit on a specific number
09:00<Peng>jarr0dsz: You do realize how much that would cost at $0.10/GB, don't you?
09:01<@heckman>But if you are pushing that much data, might be wise to load balance and make your application highly available.
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09:01<@irgeek>200GB @ 200Mbps takes about 135 minutes.
09:02<Francis>Good Morning my friends :)
09:02<jarr0dsz>i was just very curious i think 50 mb/s is already a lot and its not a continues consumption either so its all not that bad
09:03<jarr0dsz>if i would stream with 1mb/s i could do around 45 transfers i guess roughly that would be by far enough so nothing really to worry about then great
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09:04<EugeneKay>I know that port speed on the boxes is GbE. If you come close to needing that on a regular basis you should explore dedis or a colo. :-p
09:05<Peng>EugeneKay: Why?
09:05<EugeneKay>Because HE's bandwidth rates are an order of magnitude better than Linode's, to say nothing of the costs of Ghz/MB/GiB at that scale.
09:06<Peng>EugeneKay: HE's rates are infinitely higher, because they can only provide 0 Mbps when the power is out.
09:06<linbot>New news from forums: Unable to boot after Ubuntu 12.04 upgrade in General Discussion <>
09:06<EugeneKay>Peng - trololololo cuz Hurricane only has one building
09:07<Peng>Not to mention Level 3.
09:07<EugeneKay>For those of you who ARENT Hurricane customers, the Fremont 1 power infrastructure has been completely rebuilt in the past year or so.
09:08<EugeneKay>If you were to become a new HE customer you would be in the Fremont 2 facility, which is built out quite a bit better than their "old" one.
09:08<Peng>Oh, really? They'd *said* they would do that, but I hadn't heard that they actually had.
09:08<EugeneKay>Yes, really.
09:09<EugeneKay>Never mind the fact that HE has peering points in, what, two dozen global DCs now?
09:09<EugeneKay>They'll sell you many gigabits wherever you like.
09:10<Peng>Unless you want to talk to Level 3 over IPv6. :P
09:10<EugeneKay>The same could be said of IPv4 not that many years ago, with a different breed of players.
09:11<EugeneKay>"All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again."
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09:11<EugeneKay>My professional opinion is that HE has their shit a lot more together than L3 when it comes to IPv6
09:11<Peng>Everyone could prevent it from happening again if they wanted to. :P
09:12<Peng>Unfortunately, "everyone" includes Level 3...
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09:13<EugeneKay>In what way? Facilities? Having deatl with Level 3 in the past, I assure you HE has them beat there.
09:14<Peng>I should probably add that I'm not anti-HE. I think.
09:15<EugeneKay>They're a perfectly good carrier. You get what you pay for on planet earth, IT is no exception.
09:16<Peng>Planet Earth sucks.
09:16<EugeneKay>Want nine nines? Buy an AS#, build your own facility with double-conversion UPSes, and whip your sysadmins if they so much as make a typo.
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09:16<Gshock>I think people just have an unrealistic view of downtime
09:17<EugeneKay>You don't need to think it. ;-)
09:17<Gshock>Don't blow smoke up my ass and tell me you are losing thousands of dollars because a site / VPS is down, when I know your hosting budget isnt even $100 a month.
09:18<dzho>haha, yeah
09:18<EugeneKay>But my bitcoins!
09:19<Gshock>I've had a couple clients that complain about 99.9% (not understanding that the typical garuantee is "we will pay some of your hosting costs if it goes down" not "It wont go down!"
09:19<Gshock>At that point, I usually just point them at rackspace / managed, they see a $200 a month bill, and stop talking about it.
09:29<jarr0dsz>hey guys im now testing some streaming on linode and to see what bandwith consumption is used
09:29<jarr0dsz>i wondered how up2date the linode graphics are and the mb section in the right panel when you login your linode and click the linode
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09:30<jarr0dsz>since on reload of linode admin panel it doesent change the numbers of mb or the grpahs
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09:30<squircle>jarr0dsz: it's not instant
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09:31<squircle>jarr0dsz: 5-ish mins
09:31<EugeneKay>vnstat or iftop running directly on your Linode will give you an instant reading
09:32<jarr0dsz>okay i leave it running then never heard of those EugeneKay
09:32<jarr0dsz>system tools or do i have to isntall them myself?
09:32<EugeneKay>Your package manager should have them.
09:32<jarr0dsz>would be interesting to see bandwith usage in realtime thta would be really cool :)
09:32<squircle>jarr0dsz: iftop, then
09:33<squircle>speaking of which, does iftop support ipv6 yet?
09:33<jarr0dsz>aah coolool! thats great eugene golden tip! thx alot
09:33<EugeneKay>It has for ages?
09:33<jarr0dsz>yum had it btw ;) easy install on centos:P
09:33<squircle>EugeneKay: maybe ubuntu's versions are crazy old, let me check fedora
09:34<EugeneKay>I can tell you authoritatively that the current epel6 package does IPv6
09:34<squircle>yep, it's in 0.17-17, ubuntu has 0.17-16
09:35<jarr0dsz>EugeneKay: i do see strange things in iftop though =>
09:35<jarr0dsz>have to digg in that iftop on how to read all data but very interesting it counts the total also
09:35<EugeneKay>You'll have to parse the man page for yourself to figure it out.
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09:37<jarr0dsz>okay cool my stream consumes around 500kb/s
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09:38<EugeneKay>You should also take a peek at vnstat. It gives nice historical usage data from the CLI, very useful.
09:38<EugeneKay>There's a PHP package that'll spit out SVGs and such, but that's just fluff
09:40<jarr0dsz>500kb/s would allow around 409600 simultanious connections of 1 second for 200gb to be used, not that i want that ;p
09:40<EugeneKay>What are you streaming? Video?
09:40<jarr0dsz>EugeneKay: yes
09:40<EugeneKay>What's wrong with YouTube? :-p
09:40<jarr0dsz>low quality video stream
09:40<jarr0dsz>nothing i love youtube ;)
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09:41<EugeneKay>500kb/s or 500kB/s?
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09:41<EugeneKay>500kb/s over a second is only 62kB.
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09:50<Peng>Hmm, that redirect include a # in the URL. That violates RFC 2616, last I checked.
09:52<@heckman>Just the fact the redirect includes a fragment identifier?
09:52<Peng>Yes. Location headers cannot contain fragments.
09:53<Peng>squircle: Shrug!? What kind of nerd shrugs at RFC minutia!?
09:53<@heckman>I mean, seems kind of strange not to allow it. Don't have time to read RFC to find the reason.
09:53<squircle>Peng: I'm as confused as you are, I just know there's little I can do to change it.
09:54<rnowak>the reason is likely "because we said so"
09:54<@heckman>I can only imagine how much internet browsing would suck if there was a browser that was strictly compliant to every RFC.
09:54<@heckman>rnowak: terrible reason
09:54<Peng>heckman: Haha.
09:54<Peng>I don't remember finding a reason in the RFC.
09:54<rnowak>opera tries really hard for javascript, breaking many sites, it rocks
09:56<squircle>I wish my telco was RFC4638 compliant :(
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09:56<squircle>although one can't really be 'compliant' with an informational RFC
09:56<Peng>I don't remember where I read this, but something said the reason was that it considered fragments a client-side thing, basically.
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09:57<@heckman>Peng: I am okay with them going "We advise against doing this, as it's a client-side implementation." tl;dr; ymmv
09:58<rnowak>was that a "should not" or "must not"?
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09:59<squircle>i went to a linux users group meeting for the first time last night and I've never felt so at home. (because Peng mentioned nerds)
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09:59<@heckman>squircle: not sure of any around here, and even so I'm sure I'd get scoffed at showing up with my MacBook Air. :p
09:59<rnowak>I can't stand nerds, I'm hoping I'll survive europython
10:00<Peng>rnowak: Was what a should-not or must-not?
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10:00<squircle>heckman: I pulled out my macbook pro and they said "well, at least it's unix-based"
10:00<rnowak>Peng: the don't provide fragments in location thing
10:00<@heckman>squircle: hah
10:01<squircle>heckman: a lot of them had iPads and windows laptops, so :P
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10:01<Peng>rnowak: Effectively, a "must not". Fragments aren't specifically mentioned, but the Location header is defined as containing an absolute URI, which must not contain a fragment.
10:01<rnowak>windows is at least posix compliant... right?... right?
10:02<rnowak>Peng: mkey
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10:03<rnowak>anyone else here going to europython or euroscipy?
10:03<squircle>ooh europe
10:05<squircle>does anybody know of a linux utility that can parse/extract from/somehow convert Windows .bkf backups? (I'd use mtftar, but it won't compile)
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10:06<rnowak>won't compile? why not?
10:07<squircle>well there's no configure script, and I get this string of errors when I try to compile it (I'll pastebin it, one sec)
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10:11<rnowak>compiles just fine here
10:12<linbot>New news from forums: Intel compilers and MKL libraries in Performance and Tuning <>
10:13<rnowak> I used that source, squircle
10:13<squircle>so did I
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10:16<tcarmona>Hey guys, can I talk with someone from support?
10:17<linbot>If you need to contact somebody at Linode in an official capacity you should open a support ticket or email Unofficial help & information is provided here on a best-effort basis
10:17<tcarmona>I'm having some problems with an ip
10:17<tcarmona>hum, thanks
10:17<rnowak>if it is abuse related, email abuse@
10:17<tcarmona>k, tanks guys
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10:18<auraka>rnowak: and if it is urmom related?
10:19<rnowak>all hope's lost
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10:27<imMute>auraka: those would go to the state mental hospital
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10:48<hawk>Katana: You have to pay attention to the keming, though :P
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11:02<EugeneKay>Sometimes I regret my decision to try nginx. Like today, I'm compiling mod_websocket for Apache so I can use it for SSL termination.
11:03<Peng>@_@ what
11:05<EugeneKay>I'm trying to deploy a HTML5 app which speaks to a Java backend server over websocket. I want to keep the SSL stuff in one place(eg, Apache), so I need to teach it to speak WebSocket.
11:05<gylt>EugeneKay: just to make sure I parsed your statement correctly -- nginx not good for websocket stuff?
11:05<EugeneKay>no, I'm no good at nginx.
11:05<gylt>it's okay, you're good at lots of other things at last
11:06<EugeneKay>I sure try.
11:06<gylt>it's all I ask
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11:10<gylt>EugeneKay: out of curiosity, what's the java backend stuff doing?
11:11<EugeneKay>RDP gateway to a web browser.
11:11<gylt>I'm intrigued by anything involving websockets, link away please if you're at the liberty to do so if/wehn done
11:11<gylt>ahh, ok
11:11<gylt>have yo useen this thing btw:
11:12<EugeneKay>I have, not what I'm after.
11:12<gylt>okie dokie. am I correct in understanding that remotespark is a startup-like entity, and you're one of their devs?
11:13<EugeneKay>God no. I'm a customer trying to deploy it
11:13<EugeneKay>Potential, anyway. I wanna get it working before I fork out for it
11:19<Katana>hawk: okay, fine. (╯°□°)╯彡ʞɐʍoɯ
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11:20<DanTheMan>Hi everyone. I have just bought a Linode and my server loads are 0.00 0.01 0.05 idle for longer than 20 minutes without anything installed, why don't they go to 0.00?
11:21<squircle>your server's always doing something
11:21<DanTheMan>Even with a barebones installation?
11:21<squircle>as long as there are processes running, it's doing something
11:22<Katana>DanTheMan: that's basically the earmark of a silent server
11:23<DanTheMan>Seems like it's something in the kernel
11:23<Katana>ya, it's how it's rounding
11:23<EugeneKay>Just the normal noises in there
11:24<Katana>it's accounting for it being "off" in the in-between averaging
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11:24<DanTheMan>Okay, thanks for the clarifcation
11:24<Katana>no need to worry about it :)
11:27<Francis>I'm trying to link / srv / www / / public_html to a newly created user, but when accessing through ssh I get the message:
11:27<Francis>"/ home / acessofacil /" not found.
11:27<Francis>Since then I can not assign the index.php file for user "acessofacil"
11:28<Peng>Why are there spaces around your slashes?
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11:30<squircle>Francis: did you set the home folder for the new user to /srv/www/
11:30<Francis>No passo a passo, não criou o /srv/www/
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11:31<Francis>squircle: yes
11:31<Francis>I've already set
11:31<squircle>what do you mean you're trying to "link" it?
11:31<Francis>look for me
11:32<Francis>"link" -> ln -s
11:33<Francis>vim /etc/apache2/sites-available/
11:33<npmr>hire a sysadmin
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11:36<Francis><VirtualHost *:80>
11:36<Francis> ServerAdmin
11:36<Francis> ServerName
11:36<Francis> ServerAlias
11:36<Francis> DocumentRoot /srv/www/
11:36<Francis> ErrorLog /srv/www/
11:36<Francis> CustomLog /srv/www/ combined
11:36<Francis> Options ExecCGI
11:36<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
11:36<Francis> AddHandler cgi-script .pl
11:36-!-mode/#linode [+q Francis!*@*] by heckman
11:36<@heckman>Please do not paste your configuration directly in the channel
11:37<@heckman>Use some type of pastebin, such as or others
11:37-!-mode/#linode [-q Francis!*@*] by heckman
11:39<Francis>Lunch and I'll be back
11:39<Francis>heckman: thanks heckman
11:39<Francis>squircle: linbot thanks
11:40<squircle>linbot o/
11:40<linbot>\o squircle
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11:44<squircle>awh, multicast bbc doesn't work outside of the UK :(
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11:47<EugeneKay>HA, figured out how to skip all that websocket crap and make the java app handle SSL
11:47*EugeneKay flips Apache the bird
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12:21<squircle>huh, redirects to with a referral code
12:23<Peng>!dns6 ns
12:23<Peng>Different referral code than !referral, too.
12:24<squircle>i can't tell whether it's enterprising or scummy
12:24<hawk>it's not caker's code?! :P
12:24<CaptObviousman>it's a why-the-hell-didn't-I-think-of-that
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12:24<Peng>It'd be pretty cheeky to host it on Linode.
12:24<squircle>yep :P
12:24<Peng>That's not promising.
12:25<squircle>it seems pretty scummy
12:25<squircle>like misrepresentation
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12:26<Peng>Linode owns
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12:27<Peng>If CIRA's website worked over IPv6, I'd see if they listed registrant information for
12:27<Peng>Though the rDNS probably doesn't lie.
12:28<squircle>cira's website isn't ipv6?
12:28<squircle>well, that doesn't surprise me.
12:28<squircle>wait, it is ipv6
12:28<staticsafe>it is
12:28<squircle>!dig aaaa
12:28<linbot>squircle: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: 86400 IN AAAA 2001:500:80:2::12 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS 86400 IN NS
12:29<squircle>private registration
12:29<Peng>Right. It's IPv6 and it *doesn't work*. So my stupid SOCKS proxy won't load it.
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12:41<Casoe84dk>Peng I can without any problems see's ipv6 webpage
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12:42<Peng>Casoe84dk: Over IPv6?
12:42<Peng>Casoe84dk: Or is your browser just being not-dumb and falling back to IPv4 successfully?
12:42<Casoe84dk>Peng yes
12:42<Peng>Yes what? :P
12:43<Casoe84dk>allso the webpage says that i'm connected over ipv6
12:43<Casoe84dk>yes to that i'm connected over ipv6
12:43<Peng>Oh-ho. I cannot connect to it from SoftLayer but I can from HE.
12:44*staticsafe is using a HE tunnel at home
12:44<Casoe84dk>Peng I allso use a HE tunnel here at home
12:45<Peng>Oddly, they use the same route.
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12:48<Francis>in terminal:
12:48<Francis>vim /etc/apache2/sites-available/
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12:48<Peng>And I can get to the TLD nameservers, even those in the same AS.
12:51<Francis>heckman: In / srv / www / / there is no apache.conf.
12:51<Francis>I followed the hint:
12:51<Francis> # sph_apache-basics
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12:52<Francis>It's just a detail but still could not solve.
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12:54<Francis>error log
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12:55<Casoe84dk>anyone there can tell me if the person actually had a password to do this ( Postfix problem )
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13:10<EugeneKay>Any OS X users about? I need a thing tested in Safari.
13:10<JshWright>Safari running in OSX specifically?
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13:10<EugeneKay>Preferably, yes.
13:11<JshWright>don't have my laptop with me, sorry
13:11<staticsafe>EugeneKay: sure
13:11<MotoHoss>EugeneKay, ipod?
13:12<EugeneKay>Wouldn't work, too small of a screen. Coworker has already checked it on an iPad, but thanks.
13:15<Katana>could have sworn there was a site that emulated all the various OS and browser combos for generating screenshots
13:16<EugeneKay>Yeah, but I don't think it speaks WebSockets.
13:16<EugeneKay> ?
13:17<@heckman>EugeneKay: what do you need? I have Lion standbying
13:17<EugeneKay>static got it, thanks.
13:17<EugeneKay>Just needed to verify that Safari isn't crazy
13:17*heckman cannot confirm that
13:18*auraka cannots firm heckman isn't crazy
13:18<auraka>wow....that sentence...
13:18*auraka hangs head in shame
13:18<@heckman>You accidentally the English language.
13:18<@heckman>Yaakov: <3
13:19<auraka>heckman: I speak two language...english and bad english :-/
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13:19<auraka>I love that nickname
13:19<+dwfreed>Yaakov: that's not saying much :)
13:20<Yaakov>I think it is saying precisely the right amount.
13:22<Casoe84dk>anyone there knows where postfix is saving it's mailqueue so I can save the spam evidence before I delete everything in the mailqueue
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13:25<Casoe84dk>thx EugeneKay do you have any idea how anyone can hack a sasl password without an active attack
13:25<EugeneKay>Poor postfix configuration, a security hole in postfix itself, phishing attack / otherwise stolen password....
13:26<EugeneKay>If you don't require TLS and allow PLAIN login you might have had a SMTP stream sniffed at some point
13:26<Casoe84dk>EugeneKay the I don't think it's stolen password/phishing attack because the mailbox have not been used in long time
13:27<Casoe84dk>I use TLS everytime I connect to the mailserver
13:29<staticsafe>:o isn't that a open relay?
13:29<staticsafe>i just took a look at the pastebin
13:29<staticsafe>i get a bunch of those but postfix denies them
13:30<Casoe84dk>stafamus no the server is not a open relay.
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13:31<CaptObviousman>hmm, so for a production server that will ahve a bunch of people's websites on it
13:31<CaptObviousman>I have a nice 4TB raid10 array
13:31<Katana>raid is a bug spray you don't need to double-up on hard drives
13:31<CaptObviousman>how much should go to the root partition do you think, and should I bother delineating /var, /tmp, /usr and so on
13:32<CaptObviousman>I'm debating adding lvm on top of the raid10 layer so I can change it later if need be
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13:33*CaptObviousman reads up on performance impacts from lvm
13:34<rnowak>worry less about any performance hits, worry about ^
13:34<CaptObviousman>ooh good find
13:36<CaptObviousman>debian 6 kernel is 2.6.32
13:37<CaptObviousman>juuuuust under the wire for this write caching issue
13:37<Casoe84dk>EugeneKay and I don't thing they have looked in my database, because the mysql port is only open for my own ip's
13:37<@heckman>CaptObviousman: ran in to the kernel version being too old on my Debian 6.0 system at home. Needed 2.6.33 for TRIM support. :<
13:38<rnowak>LVM is great, but there's a lot of buts
13:38<EugeneKay>CaptObviousman - I don't like LVM because of the on-disk format issues. mdadm providing a mdN device which I format as ext4 directly works great.
13:38<CaptObviousman>yes, that's quite true
13:38<CaptObviousman>well, the drives are on a raid card, so the OS only sees one drive
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13:49<squircle>if 2/3 peering providers' links just went down (Cogent and Orion) at my university saturating the one remaining gigabit link, is it more likely that both providers failed or that the university IT people failed?
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13:50<imMute>squircle: ooh, pretty graphs
13:51<squircle>4/5 interfaces drop off the map, the other one is saturated
13:51<imMute>squircle: it looks like Cogent link failed
13:52<squircle>so did Orion, apparently. there's no traffic passing through it (it's my preferred route from here and i'm being routed around it)
13:53<imMute>well, who knows why the cogent link went down, but they seem to have failed a bit by not using the Orion link as much
13:53<linbot>New news from forums: CentOS hostname -f returns hostname: Unknown host in Linux Networking <>
13:53<linbot>squircle: [mtr] 13 hops, 40.0%/38.6ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/38.5ms
13:54<squircle>imMute: orion must've gone down too, though; it's usually at 30-40%
13:54<squircle>imMute: check out the second link; the orion interfaces dropped off the map
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13:55<squircle>but that's the great thing about the internet; it routes around failures! \o/
13:59<squircle>imMute: you're right, orion isn't down. it must just be a major BGP failure in light of cogent failing
13:59<squircle>of course it would be cogent :-/
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14:00<Francis>help me please my friends
14:01<squircle>... what's the problem?
14:01<Francis>If everything is ok so what is the reason that there offlline?
14:01<@akerl>Francis: What do your logs say?
14:01<squircle>it's not offline, there's an error
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14:03<Francis>But where?
14:03<squircle>your logs?
14:04<staticsafe> /var/log/apache2/error.log
14:04<Francis>What kind of error in the logs?
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14:05<squircle>Francis: any error
14:05<Francis>i'm cant understand
14:06<squircle>Francis: so pastebin the log
14:06<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
14:06<Francis>look for me
14:06<@akerl>Francis: Yea, that's an error
14:06<rnowak>do you see where it says [error]?
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14:07<rnowak>mod_log_sql: insufficient configuration info to establish database link
14:07<rnowak>are you sure you want to use mod_log_sql?
14:08<Francis>I then disable
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14:15<Francis>a2dismod libapache2-mod-log-sql-mysql
14:15<Francis>module does not exist --'
14:16<Peng>Off-topic: I'm in the market for a Wi-Fi router. Suggestions? Needs: Secure, cheap, not crap. Wants: IPv6 and FOSS firmware. Honestly, 802.11g would be fine, but it feels a bit cheap to get it in this day and age, and since this is an apartment with a dozen APs visible, I wonder how good performance would be.
14:17<Peng>The other thing about 802.11g is that I wonder if the hardware is getting too old for modern firmware, and they're probably about to EOL.
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14:17<Peng>Like, WRT54GLs are pretty resource-constrained, right?
14:18<rnowak>any requirements for routing throughput?
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14:18<Peng>No really.
14:18<Gshock><3 my WRT54GL though. I just run a gigabit switch with it.
14:19<rnowak>Peng: looked at smallnetbuilder for some base research?
14:19<rnowak>I use a netgear wndr3700 personally, quite happy with it, but using stock firmware
14:19<Peng>rnowak: No, because I've never heard of it. Thanks.
14:19<Peng>Last time I bought a router it was an oooold wired Netgear :)
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14:20<Gshock>I thought about that a few times.
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14:20<rnowak>ASUS RT-N56U is quite popular, and then there's their new one, ASUS Dark Knight RT-N66U
14:20<Peng>I've seen #linode recommend in the past.
14:21<squircle>i have one of those with openwrt
14:21<Peng>It was so much easier before 802.11n came out and the only answer was "Wi-Fi? WRT54GL, $50."
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14:22<rnowak>Peng: ^ smallnetbuilder review for that buffalo
14:22<Nivex>is .11n a ratified standard yet, or are they still tossing Draft-n devices out the door?
14:22<squircle>it's ratified iirc
14:22<@heckman>I'm looking at this bad boy:
14:22<squircle>that or everybody dropped "draft"
14:22<@heckman>It's tempting
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14:22<Gshock>Needs moar antennas
14:23<Gshock>no reviews = no thanks though.
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14:23<Gshock>Ill let others be the early adopters.
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14:23<Peng>Wikipedia says it was published in 2009.
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14:23<rnowak>no reviews?
14:23<Peng>Of course, half the manufacturers probably still sell buggy draft crap :)
14:23<Gshock>The RT-N66U has 3 user reviews on newegg, and hasnt released yet
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14:24<Gshock>Yes, I have that open right now.
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14:25<dzho>"dark knight"?
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14:25<Gshock>Without a significant number of user reviews, its difficult to judge overall quality etc. For all I know they sent this guy a hand picked perfect unit when the average unit will be crap. I doubt thats the case, but just sayin.
14:25<dzho>"it's simple, we kill the router"
14:26<rnowak>I'd trust that guy's review more than random retards on newegg, just sayin
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14:26<Gshock>Right, but he is just one guy. Again, who knows if he was sent a hand picked review sample that does not represent what the average consumer will get.
14:26<Peng>No matter how trustworthy he is, it doesn't stop the manufacturer from rigging his sample.
14:27<rnowak>that's totally likely to happen and go unnoticed ;)
14:27<Gshock>Exactly. Or just being lucky.
14:28<Gshock>I dont trust manufacturers in general :)
14:28<@heckman>Well, seems he found an issue with the 5GHz throughput...
14:30<Gshock>Looks like its pretty high powered though.
14:31<Peng>I hate to just ask questions instead of doing my own research, but the Internet is full of bad information and this is a subject I don't know enough about to be able to find *good* information.
14:31<Gshock>Gah. You guys suck. I have a working router and now I want to buy a new one!
14:31<@heckman>I want to get RadVd off on to my router, so I've been looking for one for a few weeks.
14:31<@heckman>It's currently on other hardware in my house.
14:32<rnowak>roll your own with freebsd \o/
14:33<rnowak>pf > * sry
14:33<Peng>Roll your own! s/Linux/rnowakOS/
14:33<rnowak>at least it would work better than archos
14:33<hawk>Peng: You mean mowakOS?
14:33<rnowak>I'd sign it (:
14:34<@akerl>Pacman will enforce signing any day now!
14:34<rnowak>ha ha
14:34<@akerl>For reals this time!
14:35<@heckman>rnowak: that's be cool and all, but I don't feel like footing the electric bill for it.
14:36<rnowak>depending on your required throughput, you could get away with a tiny one :)
14:36<linbot>New news from forums: ownership of public_html folder in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
14:36<@heckman>Well, that would require me getting hardware I don't already have. :p
14:36<@heckman>Plus, effort. Would rather set it and forget it than tinker for an afternoon with it.
14:36<rnowak>sure would, but you were looking at that asus one, so ;p
14:38<@heckman>Still cheaper.
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14:43<Francis>friends look
14:43<squircle>we can't see your tickets
14:43<Francis>I do not understand why I can never log in or support forum
14:43<Peng>squircle: Except for that Bitcoin guy.
14:44<squircle>Francis: did you make an account on the forum?
14:44<@heckman>Francis: it asks for a password to prevent spambots from signing up. The details are user: no password: spam
14:44<squircle>Peng: hah
14:44<@heckman>Then you can register
14:45<Francis>oh thanks heckman mana
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14:49<staticsafe>whoever thought of that spam prevention method is a genius
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14:51<auraka>staticsafe: when in doubt...heckman
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14:54<rnowak> I just have to leave this here
14:54<rnowak>russia's eurovision 2012 entry
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15:02<d3str0y>This is my first VPS and I'm waiting for my DNS to update, I just tossed a phpinfo.php into /var/ww/html is there any way I can get at it from my browser?
15:02<squircle>d3str0y: put the IP in your hosts file
15:02<d3str0y>I went through and locked out root, set up a user, installed mysql and php etc
15:03<d3str0y>ok for that I edited /etc/httpd/conf.d/vhost.conf
15:03<d3str0y>I am using CentOS
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15:03<d3str0y>oh wait hots file, thats /etc/hosts right
15:03<squircle>d3str0y: nono, if you want to access the phpinfo page right now, you can put your linode's IP in your personal computer's hosts file
15:04<d3str0y>ohhh hmm, ok
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15:04<linbot>New news from forums: Internal error when setting the field in Linux Networking <>
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15:10<d3str0y>squircle: what would the entry look like as an example: ?
15:11<squircle>just don't forget to remove it once dns propagates
15:14<d3str0y>just telling me unable to connect but I'm sure that I don't know something
15:15<d3str0y>maybe blocking me out because of something I configured
15:15<squircle>d3str0y: what's your domain?
15:15<squircle>dns should've propagated by now
15:16<d3str0y>actually, its a domain on 1and1 and the status still says updating =) if I go to the url its still going to the old servers
15:16<Francis>and you? =\
15:16<Francis>and i
15:16<squircle>d3str0y: what's the domain
15:17<@akerl>Francis: You'll need to figure out why that error is being thrown and correct it
15:17<d3str0y>the one I am trying to switch over to linode nameserver is
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15:17<squircle>d3str0y: dns is right
15:18<d3str0y>hmm I hope I don't get hacked now
15:18<squircle>d3str0y: but I can't connect. check your firewall.
15:19<Francis>I know I need but can not find.
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15:20<squircle>Francis: is it possible that there's a portuguese linux help channel, maybe one for your distro? I feel like the language barrier isn't helping much.
15:20<squircle>not to say we're not willing to help. :)
15:22<d3str0y>what do you mean by firewall, I set up iptables
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15:22<Francis>hum =
15:22<squircle>d3str0y: so make sure your iptables rules aren't blocking port 80
15:23<squircle>d3str0y: "Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused"
15:23<staticsafe>paste the output of iptables -L -nv
15:27<d3str0y>i followed this firewall setup section:
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15:31<squircle>d3str0y: why don't you use multiport?
15:31<d3str0y>have no idea what i'm doing
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15:32<markd>is there a quick easy way to swap two linodes IPs around?
15:32<squircle>markd: it's in the manager
15:33<squircle>markd: manager -> your linode -> remote access -> IP Swap
15:33<markd>excellent thanks.
15:39<d3str0y>for the /etc/hosts file on your server you use your computer's ip or the server ip
15:40<d3str0y>library says, 'eplace with your machine's IP address'
15:40<squircle>the server's IP
15:41<d3str0y>k, and if i'm gonna have more than one domain do I need to put each one in there on a separate line?
15:41<Peng>d3str0y: No.
15:41<squircle>that's only for the hostname
15:43<d3str0y>i see, so just pick one domain or something
15:43<squircle>i like making it a second-level domain
15:43<squircle>it seems like that's a popular choice
15:43<Peng>It's popular because it's right.
15:43<squircle>well then!
15:44<squircle>(I can't believe I did something right for a change!)
15:44<@akerl> ?
15:44<d3str0y>so the part of it
15:44<Typo>hey all
15:44<d3str0y>is your website
15:44<Typo>finally signing up (right now)
15:44<squircle>d3str0y: yep
15:45<squircle>Typo: yay!
15:45<Typo>whats the best server location wise (i need irc ports open)
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15:45<Typo>its asking me to pick one
15:45<squircle>Typo: anything but atlanta
15:45<Typo>any favorites?
15:45<@akerl>I prefer the moon
15:45<squircle>Typo: what's geographically closest to the majority of your users?
15:45<squircle>(or you)
15:45<Typo>tx i guess?
15:45<Typo>fremont to me
15:46<Typo>ide just hoped maybe one had a little better history of uptimes or w/e
15:46<squircle>it makes sense to put it geographically close to the majority of your users
15:46<Typo>between fremont and dallas now
15:46<squircle>they're all good with uptime
15:46<Typo>well then dallas i suppose, more central in the US
15:46<squircle>makes sense
15:47<Typo>anyone else have any input (thats relevant)?
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15:48<Typo>last thing (for now)
15:48<d3str0y>ok now when you were telling me to edit my system's host file thats basically the same thing as if I just type in my linode IP right?
15:48<Typo>ubuntu 10.04 or 11.10 ?
15:48<linbot>Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/
15:48<d3str0y>so when I type in the IP I should be able to access the site?
15:49<squircle>Typo: up to you. either way, I'd consider upgrading to 12.04 LTS when it comes out in a month so you have up-to-date software and longtime support
15:50<Typo>so what makes sense for now then, 11.10?
15:50<+dwfreed> Atheros chipset; runs OpenWRT, iirc
15:50<+dwfreed>heckman: ^^^ (whoops, forgot to hilight you)
15:50<Typo>ill go 11.10, this wont be live for 2 week anyway so i can change
15:51<Typo>yay, im up!
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15:51*Typo welcomes himself to the fold finally
15:51*squircle fires the confetti cannon
15:52<Peng>dwfreed: D'you have one of those?
15:52<+dwfreed>Peng: no, I don't
15:52<+dwfreed>Peng: I have a Linksys E2000
15:54<Peng>That Buffalo one is on my that-looks-interesting list. It's their lowest-end dual-band offering.
15:54<squircle>which one?
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15:55<Peng>squircle: dwfreed's link above. WZR-HP-AG300H.
15:55<Peng>Unlike Cisco and Netgear, Buffalo doesn't seem to do dual-band much.
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16:01<tcarmona>Hi fellow Linoders. I'm having a problem were a single and specific IP can't connect or be pinged by only one of mine servers. Anyone got something like that?
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16:02<@akerl>tcarmona: MTR?
16:02<@akerl>!mtr helps you diagnose routing issues
16:02<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
16:02<tcarmona>hum, nice
16:03<@akerl>That'll let you see if it's a routing issue. You'll also likely want to check your iptables with `iptables -L -nv` to see if traffic is being dropped
16:03<tcarmona>akerl: will get a log from it, thanks
16:03<tcarmona>hum, my iptables is clean
16:03<squircle>tcarmona: out of curiosity, what is the IP?
16:06<w7u64xi71>Please I am comparing centos vs debian ... so please what factors I can choose the distribution according to?
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16:06<w7u64xi71>I am confused a lot
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16:06<squircle>well deb vs rpm mainly
16:07<w7u64xi71>squircle: please clear it
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16:07<@akerl>w7u64xi71: Have a quarter handy?
16:08<squircle>fwiw, I can reach it no problem
16:08<linbot>squircle: [mtr] 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 9.1ms
16:08<@irgeek>tcarmona: Which DC are you in?
16:09<linbot>tcarmona: [mtr] 12 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 34.4ms (urmom)
16:09<squircle>damn, ninja'd
16:09<linbot>squircle: [mtr] 12 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 34.3ms (urmom)
16:09<tcarmona>but when I try to do it from my server, i can't connect to it...
16:10<@irgeek>tcarmona: We'll need to see an MTR from your Linode. It's possible there's some kind of source-based filtering going on.
16:11<@akerl>tcarmona: Pastebin `iptables -L -nv` and `mtr --report` from your linode?
16:11<tcarmona>how can i do it?
16:11<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:11<tcarmona>jujust a sec
16:14<w7u64xi71>akerl: I did not used any of them before
16:14<tcarmona>here it is
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16:15<@akerl>tcarmona: What's your Linode's IP?
16:16<Kyhwana>hmm, I can get to from dallas
16:16<@irgeek>tcarmona: What's the output of: ip route show
16:18<tcarmona>irgeek: there seems to be no command named ip on my machine...
16:18<@irgeek>How about: netstat -rn
16:19<tcarmona>Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface UG 0 0 0 eth0 U 0 0 0 eth0 UG 0 0 0 lo U 0 0 0 eth0
16:19<tcarmona>darm, gona put it on pastebin
16:19<linbot> <-- paste here, not in the channel
16:20<@irgeek>tcarmona: Your netmask is *not*
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16:20<@irgeek>You won't be able to reach about 1/256 of the Internet with that config.
16:21<tcarmona>how can I repair it rhen?
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16:22<@irgeek>tcarmona: Pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
16:24<tcarmona>i only got a /etc/networks file
16:24<@akerl>Or /etc/conf.d/net :)
16:24<tcarmona>should i paste it?
16:24<tcarmona>got that
16:24<@irgeek>Oh… it's Gentoo...
16:25<tcarmona>yep :)
16:25<retro|blah>Put the netmask on the end of your IP, dogg
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16:25<retro|blah>It's probably gonna be
16:26<tcarmona>retro|blah: and how can I do that bro?
16:26<tcarmona>hum, how can i be sure of the number?
16:26<@akerl>tcarmona: That's the right number
16:26<@irgeek>It's /24
16:26<@irgeek>Just trust me.
16:26<retro|blah>Check Linode Manager, it should say something like for the netmask
16:26<tcarmona>ok :)
16:27<tcarmona>now what should I do?
16:27<@akerl>restart networking?
16:27<tcarmona>restart the net ?
16:27-!-tibra|away is now known as tibra
16:27<@akerl>And then try that MTR again
16:27<d3str0y>think I finally figure out what was going on with my site
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16:28<d3str0y>how would I access var/www/html/phpinfo.php from my linode ip
16:29<d3str0y>I forget what determines the base directory or what not
16:29<Kyhwana>d3str0y: cd /var/www/html/ then "vim phpinfo.php"?
16:29<tcarmona>hum, i cant connect to my server now...
16:29<d3str0y>whats that do? i'm trying to look at it in browser
16:29<Kyhwana>or if you mean via a web browser, setup your virtualhost properly and then "<ip>/phpinfo.php" ?
16:30<@akerl>tcarmona: check out lish?
16:30<tcarmona>akerl: ?
16:30<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
16:30<Kyhwana>!to tcarmona lish
16:30<linbot>tcarmona: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
16:30<d3str0y>hmm ok set that to base directory and ip as host
16:30<d3str0y>ill try that thanks
16:30<Kyhwana>d3str0y: "/var/www/html" should be the "base" directory. or "documentroot"
16:31<d3str0y>well when I was following the linode guides they had me put websites into /srv/www/
16:31<d3str0y>is that right?
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16:32<Kyhwana>d3str0y: .. then you need to put phpinfo.php into /srv/www/
16:32<d3str0y>yeah but I don't think the ip is mapped to that, I see what you mean though
16:32<d3str0y>think I know what I need to do
16:33<Kyhwana>Then set a default vhost to /var/www/html? and then everything will fall back to that
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16:45<@akerl>tibra: yea, let's not do that?
16:46<tcarmona>ok guys, sry about the delay
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16:46<tcarmona>i'm now on lish, what should i do now?
16:46<Peng>tswett: <3
16:47<@akerl>tcarmona: Try to restart networking and see what errors it spits out?
16:47<tswett>I'm trying to use Linode's DNS manager to make an MX record that points to one of Google's servers, rather than my own. Is this possible?
16:47<tibra>akerl whoops I'm sorry. disabled
16:47<EugeneKay>!library google apps
16:47<linbot>EugeneKay: 1. Using Google Apps for Email - | 2. Analyze Web Traffic with with Piwik - | 3. Host Instant Messaging Services with ejabberd on Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) -
16:47<@akerl>tibra: <3
16:47<Peng>tswett: Yes.
16:47<EugeneKay>tswett ^^
16:49<Kyhwana>tswett: yes
16:49<tswett>I see. Let me just check to make sure it all set correctly and everything...
16:50<tcarmona>akerl: Its on the bottom of it
16:50<@akerl>tcarmona: Restart networking as shown here?
16:50<tswett>Okay, I added the MX record in DNS Manager, but it's not showing up in the zone dump. Is it supposed to take a while to show up there or something?
16:50<@akerl>tcarmona: As per the message, they don't want you to restart things the way you did
16:50<squircle>tswett: updated every 15 mins
16:51<@akerl>tcarmona: working now? :)
16:52<tcarmona>it seens to work :)
16:53<tcarmona>hum, no karma here :(
16:53<@akerl>Nope, but I promise to feel good about myself
16:53<tcarmona>akerl: sauhuhsahusa
16:53<tcarmona>thank you very much :)
16:54<@akerl>no problem. glad it's working
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16:56<tswett>I'm just a little bit skeptical, since this looks exactly how it would look if the MX record were pointing to, which, y'know, isn't what I want.
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16:58<@akerl>tswett: what's your domain?
16:58<tswett>akerl: yep.
16:58<@akerl>tswett: yea, that's not how you do it :P
16:59<@akerl>For handling mail for, you want subdomain to be empty, mail server to be where your mail should be going
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16:59<tswett>...Aah, I think I'm doing this backwards.
17:00<tswett>I want to enter "agora", the subdomain, into "Subdomain", and I want to type "", the mail server, into "Mail Server"?
17:00<@akerl>possibly. Essentially, subdomain is the record on your end that someone is looking for, mail server is where the mail goes for that record
17:00<tswett>That, um, probably should have been obvious.
17:00<tswett>Er, s/
17:00<@akerl>tswett: Are you sure you want to specify the subdomain?
17:01<tswett>akerl: I think so. This is where I want mail sent to to go.
17:01<@akerl>what about mail to
17:01<tswett>I don't particularly care where that goes.
17:01<tswett>Since nobody sends mail there.
17:01<@akerl>Yea, that ought to function.
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17:02<@akerl>If I (someone) feels that you're hosting evil things on your site, an email to abuse@ for your domain should go somewhere that it will be read
17:02<tswett>Ah... so it should.
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17:22<profxavier>hi guys
17:25<profxavier>how is everyone ?
17:26<CaptObviousman>distracted ^.^
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17:27<profxavier>that happens
17:29<Kyhwana>At least nothing is broken atm
17:30<Peng>If you weren't so distracted you'd see that *everything* is broken.
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17:31<profxavier>my first time considering hosting
17:32<profxavier>i would like to have my site hosted, but perhaps a VPS might be in order, as well
17:32<Kyhwana>profxavier: linode is unmanaged VPS, so you get to install (and fuck up) everything yourself
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17:32<profxavier>Anonymous User
17:32<profxavier>2011-01-08 16:06:01
17:32<profxavier>This should be obvious, but it wasn't to me: when you first create a VPS, it is powered off. You have to boot it before you can log in.
17:33<profxavier>right off the beginners site :
17:33<Katana>that's so you can modify boot settings if necessary
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17:35<skcin7>Developers, when you delete an item from your database, do you actually delete it, or do you just change an "is_deleted" flag to TRUE?
17:36<Katana>i copy it to another table for archiving
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17:36<Katana>on large databases, it speeds up seek times
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17:37<rnowak>skcin7: obviously it depends if you will need it or not
17:37<Katana>it's something that the propel2 ORM guys looked into and found as an ideal solution
17:37<rnowak>ha ha ORM, performance
17:38<Katana>rnowak: if it works for an ORM - why not do it when not using an orm?
17:38<rnowak>badly designed schemata might benefit from moving things to other tables, otherwise, not so much
17:38<profxavier>so I would install Apache on my own, prepare my website, etc...
17:39<rnowak>or if your RDBMS is horseshit
17:39<profxavier>or do you do hosting as well ?
17:39<Katana>there's also indexing all the things
17:39<Katana>profxavier: no, linode just does vps's
17:39<Kyhwana>profxavier: yes
17:39<Katana>you do all the system configuration yourself
17:39<Kyhwana>profxavier: no, to the 2nd one.. linode only does unmanaged VPs
17:39<Katana>you can ask in here for help and some of us other sysadmins will chime in if we're here
17:40<profxavier>ok, i think im just looking for hosting
17:40<profxavier>but thanks anyways
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17:41<Kyhwana>oh well :P
17:41*Katana shrugs
17:41<squircle>s/he'll be back
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17:41<rnowak>nid hosting 4 my blag plz advize
17:41*Katana continues watching Fullmetal Alchemist
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17:50<Gshock>You almost got me restelow
17:50<Gshock>sigh. rnowak
17:50<Gshock>Heh, that took longer to tab out than it would have taken to type out, but I got stubborn.
17:52<EugeneKay>mowak should get a rnohawk.
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18:22<rnowak>highlight all the things!
18:23<+dwfreed>or in the words of irssi, s/gh//
18:23<Katana>hush, mowak
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18:34<glyph>Anyone have a list of the backbones the New Jersey location is hooked up to? The only link I could find on the Linode blog 404s.
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18:35<staticsafe>it is an awesome location :p
18:35<squircle>direct connection to TorIX \o/
18:36<staticsafe>squircle: indeed
18:36<staticsafe>which is <3 for me
18:36<squircle>and me <3
18:36<squircle>staticsafe: the GTALUG meeting was the nerdiest thing ever, but it was great (in case you were wondering)
18:36<glyph>Oooh, nice. Thank you, squircle.
18:36<staticsafe>squircle: :D
18:37<staticsafe>also peering with London isn't too bad for my purposes, ~80ms
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18:41<EugeneKay>glyph -, look up Linode's IP blocks.
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18:41<EugeneKay>Linode's upstream in Newark appears to be
18:42<staticsafe>also glyph for testing purposes
18:42*EugeneKay tries to think of a witty bot saying to point people at
18:43<glyph> EugeneKay: McKayBot.
18:43<glyph>Make it think with a glass-half-full atitude and give it a Canadian accent.
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18:55<CaptObviousman>and as you can imagine, I have no physical access to the box
18:55*CaptObviousman muttergrumblegrowl submits a trouble ticket
18:55<squircle>is it colo'd or dedicated?
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18:56<squircle>I should probably ask "is it your hardware?"
18:56<CaptObviousman>leasing it
18:56<CaptObviousman>so they take care of it thankfully
18:56*EugeneKay points and laughs
18:56<CaptObviousman>but still, I hate pitching out to tech support, guaranteed to lose 12 hours
18:57<CaptObviousman>we are going dedicated early on here, but I think we will transition to colo over time
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18:57<CaptObviousman>need to get strong revenue flowing to pay for shiny new kit
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19:14<nomad>I would buy a hosting linode bank transfe
19:14<nomad>would be possible?
19:14<Francis>That thing, so far not solved this = \
19:15<Kyhwana>nomad: nope, CC only
19:17<Kyhwana>Francis: er, are you sure your index.php is correct? and it's saying that /src/www/ isn't in the documentroot
19:17<nomad>=/ ok thanks
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19:17<Kyhwana>nomad: actually
19:17<Kyhwana>I was wrong, for yearly payments, you can do cheques or money orders
19:18<Kyhwana>But no bank/wire transfers
19:18<Kyhwana>(So I was right)
19:18<avenj>you were right in your wrongness
19:18*Kyhwana wrongs the rights by making them lefts
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19:19<Dog>Hi how do you add a user through terminal
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19:19<nomad>ok :) thank you very much
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19:20<Dog>Anyone know the command to add a user through terminal?
19:20<Kyhwana>Dog: useradd
19:20<Dog>thank you
19:20<Kyhwana>(or adduser, I forget which one gives you prompts)
19:20<Kyhwana>hitup the man pages
19:21<Dog>How do I set a password for the user?
19:22<squircle>it's adduser, it'll ask for a password (or you can use passwd)
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19:24<Dog>It didn't ask me for a password
19:24<Dog>It just added the user
19:24<Dog>and when I run passwd it asks for a new UNIX pass
19:25<bob2>adduser is the useful one
19:25<squircle>you have to run it as root, `passwd user` to change the password for "user"
19:25<Kyhwana>That's because you used useradd, not adduser. I did warn you.
19:25<Dog>I can always remove and re-add lol
19:25<bob2>may not even have a homedir now
19:26<Kyhwana>I don't think it makes the homedir, either.
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19:53<dr_jkl>useradd won't make homedirs
19:53<dr_jkl>adduser will
19:54<dr_jkl>but you can probably just set the homedir with usermod
19:54<dr_jkl>usermod -d /path/to/homedir -m login
19:55<dr_jkl>so if you want them to be /home/foobar, just 'usermod -d /home/foobar login'
19:55<dr_jkl>you don't need -m since you aren't moving a home directory
19:55<dr_jkl>it's just in my finger memory
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19:56<dr_jkl>you might also want the -s option which allows you to set a shell
19:56<dr_jkl>like '-s bash'
19:57<dr_jkl>but if you just give it -s by itself it will give you the default system shell (usually bash if you're on a debian/ubuntu system)
19:57<dr_jkl>heckman: problem?
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20:03<jed>aaronpk: nice article on HN -- good reading
20:03<jed>unless you're a different aaronpk, in which case, this is awkward!
20:04<praetorian>hey jed, hows the new job?
20:04<jed>great :)
20:05<praetorian>we can officially call you a hipster now
20:05<@psandin>hey now, that's rmyers' title
20:05<jed>nah, I wouldn't abandon my roots
20:05<@psandin>and not to be give away lightly
20:05<jed>I'm proud to be the only fat annoying bastard at foursquare. I wear it with pride
20:06<aaronpk>jed: that's me! thx
20:06<jed>aaronpk: nice! it went around our internal campfire because of the location element
20:08<jed>(btw: never adopt campfire)
20:08<@psandin>but what about the s'mores?
20:09<aaronpk>lol. we use IRC for internal chat at geoloqi
20:10<staticsafe>IRC <3
20:10<praetorian>simple is always the best
20:10<Peng>Wait what. jed has a new job?
20:11<aaronpk>jed: you work at foursquare now? that's awesome. what do you do there?
20:11<jed>I left Linode in December to accept a position at foursquare in January
20:11<jed>site reliability, a google term for 'administers production'
20:11<Peng>Coincidentally, I moved from my current home to a new one under a rock around then, too.
20:11<Peng>jed: Congrats on the new job.
20:11<jed>thanks :)
20:12<praetorian>more like, congrats on being an annoying bastard
20:12<jed>I rock it, yo
20:12<Peng>Congrats Linode for pawning off their annoying bastard?
20:12<jed>irgeek told me there was a celebration when I left
20:13<Katana>jed: have you begun messing with the foods in the foursquare fridge
20:13<jed>our fridge is full of beer, there isn't space for food
20:13<Katana>SPIKE THE BEER
20:13*mbreslin checks in in tribute
20:13<praetorian>i thought thats what a fridge was for, beer?
20:13<jed>why would I do that, when the counter has several bottles of liquor conveniently nearby? :>
20:14<jed>if there's one thing bay area startups love to do, it's get smashed
20:14<jed>my liver can't keep up out here
20:14<Katana>wait, so you're not going to put diarrhetics into the beer
20:14<Katana>this is disappointing
20:14<praetorian>gotta pend that seed money somehow
20:14<Katana>that would be a great way to be annoying-er
20:14<@psandin>your liver's just out of practice
20:15<praetorian>hang on..
20:15<praetorian>isnt 4sq in NY?
20:15<jed>HQ NY, satellite office SF
20:15<praetorian>ahh ok
20:16<jed>~80 in NY, ~30 in SF
20:16<Katana>augh the fullmetal alchemist ED is stuck in my head >_<
20:16<praetorian>ahh ok
20:17<Peng>Katana: Which one?
20:17<Katana>Peng: Brotherhood, ED1.
20:17<Peng>You moved acorss the country to go to the satellite office?
20:17<Katana>Peng: (i just finished ep12)
20:17<jed>yes, I was given a choice: NY or SF
20:17<praetorian>id imagine SF is more fun then NY to be honest.
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20:17<Katana>smog filled city, or smog filled city, hmm
20:18<praetorian>especially when every other startup goes a drinking sesion weekly
20:18<jed>two mitigating factors: (A) my entire team is in SF, but they were open to a NY employee for a voice in that time zone, and (B) apartments for wife and child are WAY too expensive in NYC
20:18<Katana>mmm, makes sense
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20:18<jed>for comparison, I was looking at ~$4,000/month in NY, I pay a little over $2,000 here
20:18<jed>for 3BR -- that said, I do live about 30 miles out of town in the east bay
20:19<praetorian>insane rather
20:19<Peng>But if you went with NYC, it would've been convenient to egg the Linode office whenever you wanted.
20:19<jed>I left on good terms, dork
20:19<praetorian>hes no phil
20:19<Peng>praetorian: Ouch.
20:19<auraka>whose phil?
20:19<jed>oh man, I can laugh at that now
20:19<jed>but that's all you get: laugh
20:19<Peng>Actually, maybe you could ask some of the NYC Foursquarers to egg it for you.
20:20<bob2>is 30 miles a lot?
20:20<cafuego>bob2: more on sea than on land.
20:20<jed>45 minutes on BART, consistently
20:20<purrdeta>oh look. its a jed.
20:21<jed>I get on BART in the morning, and I'm inbox zero and usually caught up on HN by the time I'm to the office
20:21<bob2>heh 45 minutes is a short commute in sydney
20:21<bob2>for sadists who live in the burbs anyway
20:21<praetorian>45 minutes on a sydney train all you get is a sweat stain.
20:21<auraka>jed: BART is subway system ever
20:21<purrdeta>Japanese commute times are brutal. like hours.
20:21<auraka>Way better than DCs
20:22<cafuego>bob2: Hah, as opposed to masochists who choose to live in Sydney in general? ;-)
20:22<auraka>and Chicagos is just ghetto
20:22<jed>yeah, BART is more regional rail than subway
20:22<jed>much faster
20:22<bob2>cafuego, we have worse coffee but better food
20:22<praetorian>cafuego: feel sorry for those melbournites :<
20:22<cafuego>praetorian: What raina re you talking about man!?
20:23<auraka>so...whose phil?
20:23<jed>some guy
20:23<praetorian>hey amanda
20:23<auraka>ahh.....that explains it
20:23<PeteMall>jed: where in the east bay are you?
20:23<@Perihelion>How goes thine life?
20:23<jed>PeteMall: dublin
20:23<cafuego>Correct answer would be "someone's phil"
20:24<PeteMall>ah… Fremont here
20:24<jed>I was in Santa Clara for PyCon over the weekend
20:24<jed>not too impressed with peninsula, since I've been here
20:24<jed>how's fremont?
20:24<jed>I still mean to drop by the datacenter and get a photo
20:24<Katana>mwalling: oi
20:25<PeteMall>I like it… half way between SF and SJ
20:25<praetorian>Perihelion: good good. you?
20:25<jed>my circle is usually dublin/pleasanton, then the city
20:25<jed>I don't wander around much
20:25<PeteMall>same here now… work from home or meet clients in SF
20:26<linbot>Katana: IP:; rDNS:; ASN adv net:; ASN: AS18881; ASN owner: Global Village Telecom; Abuse contact(s):; Net owner: Eng Dados; Country: Brazil;
20:26<Katana>Brazil, eh
20:26<jed>emeryville for ikea, and a photo at pixar's gate, of course
20:26<Katana>i'll leave that banmask in place then >_>
20:26<PeteMall>weather had been nice except for the inter finally arriving here
20:26<jed>yeah, that stretch of 70+ was dreamy
20:27<jed>I'm pining for summer
20:27<@Perihelion>praetorian: Busy!
20:27<jed>the difference between the city and over the pass into my neighborhood is surprising, though
20:27<jed>I like watching the temperature shoot up 15 degrees on my dash
20:27<PeteMall>20degrees easily
20:27<praetorian>Perihelion: still darting around the country?
20:28<praetorian>the life :p
20:28<@Perihelion>I feel like I should be productive right now
20:28<praetorian>i know that feeling
20:29*praetorian twiddles thungs some more
20:29<praetorian>maybe i should `draw something'
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20:29<+dwfreed>Perihelion: you should set up one of my Linodes for me :P
20:29<jed>another CA/NJ difference: in NJ, when I got my license, it was printed that day
20:29<jed>I've been waiting about six weeks for my CA license in the mail
20:29<@akerl>whoops :P
20:29<jed>and, when they issue you a CA license, they expire your old one with a hole punch
20:30<@Perihelion>dwfreed: That's a lot more effort than it's worth atm
20:30<jed>so I actually don't have a valid photo ID
20:30<praetorian>nickserv ghost akerl 634893
20:30<PeteMall>welcome to the silicon valley
20:30<PeteMall>I bought a car last year… got the permanent registration this month
20:30<praetorian>haha, that's slack
20:30<jed>oh yeah, about two months for mine to come for the new car
20:31<praetorian>do you have to get a new licenses when you move between states?
20:31<jed>I imagine there's a building full of vogons somewhere processing one DMV item a day
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20:31<PeteMall>praetorian: you are 'supposed' to get a new one
20:32<praetorian>ah right
20:32<+dwfreed>Perihelion: It's not that bad; you just have to do a Gentoo install in finnix via Lish :)
20:32<@Perihelion>Why not update the Linode image?
20:32<+dwfreed>iirc, it has been updated, just not pushed
20:33<@Perihelion>I mean why not deploy it and then update that instead?
20:33<auraka>jed: I always thought you were let go for using the bathroom outside of caker's office without permission
20:33<@Perihelion>Fiddle with won't take that long
20:33<PeteMall>dwfreed: if my network cap was increased because I requested it for some migration… how long before it's dropped down to 50?
20:33<+dwfreed>Perihelion: it would, because I would need to remerge world
20:34<auraka>why not just use a useful linux distro
20:34<jed>auraka: I was pushed out by amanda, actually
20:34<jed>but shh
20:34<PeteMall>or should I reply to the ticket when I'm done?
20:34<praetorian>gw amanda
20:34<Peng>auraka: Maybe he warned dwfreed about greasing the Ethernet cables.
20:34<@Perihelion>dwfreed: I did it like a week ago...all is well \o/
20:34<auraka>jed: makes don't like cats do you?
20:34<jed>I love cats
20:34<auraka>Peng: ah
20:34<@Perihelion>Kitties :3
20:35<auraka>well this is now a paradox
20:35<+dwfreed>Perihelion: and there's too many config changes that have to be made; it's more headache than just deploying a stage3 from within finnix
20:35<@Perihelion>stage3 seems like way more effort
20:35<auraka>DreamPhysix: has dwfreed help you deploy dnssec yet?
20:35<+dwfreed>Perihelion: deploying a stage3 just takes longer when it can only be done in spurts because of other things
20:36<praetorian>`gentoo, it's "easy" '
20:36<@Perihelion>compiling * vs compiling only outdated stuffs :3
20:36<+dwfreed>praetorian: it's really not that hard; the Handbook walks you through the whole thing
20:36<+dwfreed>Perihelion: there's so much that's outdated on the Linode image
20:36<praetorian>i've done a gentoo install before
20:37<praetorian>maybe times actually
20:37<+dwfreed>Perihelion: emerge -e world ~= emerge -NDu world from the Linode image
20:37<@Perihelion>I did last week...
20:37<auraka>praetorian: decided to punish yourself?
20:37<@Perihelion>It wasn't that bad
20:37<praetorian>auraka: nah, i used it for years.
20:38<auraka>you must have really done something bad to deserve that
20:39<praetorian>auraka: the real punishment is my day to day work.
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20:40<auraka>praetorian: gentoo developer?
20:40<praetorian>i work with windows.
20:40<jed>I had an offer at a windows shop that does big data warehousing
20:40<Peng>Do you run Gentoo VMs on Windows? Windows VMs on Gentoo?
20:41<auraka>praetorian: so do most people in one way or isn't too bad especially with Win7 and Windows 2008 server
20:41<praetorian>Peng: oh dear.
20:42<praetorian>jed: i couldn't imagine you giving that much thought
20:42<@Perihelion>My last few weeks with Windows 7 have been nothing but pain
20:42<auraka>Perihelion: why?
20:42<@Perihelion>It's definitely not as nice as OSX
20:42<bob2>honestly don't know how technical people use windows at all
20:42<@Perihelion>I'm getting really sick of the random issues that pop up
20:42<praetorian>auraka: sure. i deal with >100 windows servers.
20:42<auraka>They make it so mouth breathers can use it should be fine
20:43<jed>praetorian: I accepted a lower salary to work at foursquare, I'll put it that way
20:43<jed>and, over drinks with the recruiters for the position, they informed me that two months later they still haven't filled it
20:43<bob2>auraka, normal people struggle with windows too
20:43<praetorian>jed: haha :)
20:43<bob2>what is 'big data' on windows? terradata/vertica?
20:44<jed>custom, in this case
20:44<auraka>jed: foursquare eh...I'm not hip enough to use it
20:44<@Perihelion>I always forgot to check into place so I just gave up
20:44<jed>we're beyond the game now
20:44<jed>(you just lost)
20:44<Kyhwana>praetorian: how'd those 100 reboots go?
20:45<jed>kinda moving toward "you've been to this thai place, you'd probably like this indian place" now, which is the big overarching goal
20:45<praetorian>Kyhwana: heh :) actually, tbh, they do fairly well without it
20:45<Kyhwana>praetorian: Not got RDP running?
20:45<PeteMall>jed: I noticed a notification from the 4sq app the other day… you are close to XXXX, would you like to check in?
20:46<jed>radar, sounds like
20:46<bob2>on android?
20:46<auraka>Plus I don't need to let everyone know where I go......shovel store...gardening store....developer who did something bads house.....middle of the boonies.....who needs to be tracked like that
20:46<praetorian>and you went "shit, i still have this installed?"
20:46<jed>yeah, we're in android beam, now
20:46<PeteMall>that was a first for me
20:46<jed>in the app, look for a button in the upper left that says "Radar"
20:46<jed>you can turn it off there
20:46<auraka>jed: Thai and Indian are totally different, not sure if you can do that leap
20:47<PeteMall>auraka: not for the bay area :)
20:47<@Perihelion>They have a lot in common
20:47<praetorian>Kyhwana: windows updates are very much automated. also, rdp isnt avability externally (who would really).
20:47<auraka>Perihelion: eh.....not really
20:47<PeteMall>I find it rather useful when looking for new places
20:47<cafuego>auraka: that's for the marketing department to decide, not you ;-)
20:47<bob2>all the normals I know use only facebook for checking in now
20:47<auraka>cafuego: true
20:47<PeteMall>people who went to the same indian, mexican, thai place as you like this chinese place
20:47<jed>bob2: you should see how many checkins we push to facebook :>
20:48<Kyhwana>praetorian: well, it's wormable, so I hope your internal stuff is good enough to stop someone plugging <random box> into your LAN and pwning everything
20:48<@Perihelion>Most of the meat/pasta things I've had were pretty similar
20:48<cafuego>Will it get a "I've had indian from that place more often than thai from this place already" button too?
20:48<@Perihelion>The desserts were way different haha
20:48<auraka>why do people need to check in...I don't understand it....what value does it provide that I know that Tammy is at don't people care about privacy anymore?
20:48<praetorian>Kyhwana: i believe most are patched already.
20:48<staticsafe>i deleted my 4sq account a week back
20:49<cafuego>auraka: it makes for a great automagic travel diary
20:49<@Perihelion>BUT YOU CAN GET COOL BADGES!!!!!!111111oneoneoneoneone
20:49<staticsafe>never really used the damn thing
20:49<Kyhwana>praetorian: so they rebooted fine? :P
20:49<praetorian>you can get cool badges in girl guides too
20:49<Kyhwana>staticsafe: wait, how do you delete your 4sq account?
20:49<cafuego>auraka: That's what I mainly use it for anyway, papa can't be expected to actually remember stuff.
20:49<staticsafe>Kyhwana: its somewhere in account settings
20:49*Kyhwana turns off RDP on his workstation, pisses off ITS.
20:49<praetorian>Kyhwana: well, if they didnt, i wouldnt be typing here? :p
20:50<Kyhwana>I can't reboot this thing, thanks to shitty IXIA software that needs to stay running, otherwise the transmit box will stop
20:50<auraka>ixia as in network load testing or something else?
20:50<cafuego>jed: Oh, someone seems to have tagged the library in Melbourne as a frat bar ;-)
20:50<Kyhwana>auraka: former
20:50<jed>that can be fixed. do you have the link to the venue?
20:50<Kyhwana>Or if you lose connection between ixnetwork and the ixia xmit box, that kills the xmit too
20:51<Kyhwana>goddamn useless shit -.-
20:51<auraka>Kyhwana: funny a former company an IXIA box got infected....that was a fun day....BOOM!
20:51<Kyhwana>auraka: oh crap
20:51<Kyhwana>It's got RDP (XP) on it, fuuuuu
20:51<Kyhwana>I definetly can't reboot that
20:52<jed>hm, that's other great outdoors
20:52<jed>which looks accurate ... you mean the library or the lawn?
20:52<bob2>auraka, my friend's checking and posting photos to facebook lets me reconstruct even the drunkest of evenings!
20:52<cafuego>jed: the lawn, I got a frat bat badge on my 3rd checkin there
20:52<cafuego>frat bar
20:52<jed>oh, that's because someone tagged it 'frat boys', but it's categorized correctly
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20:52<cafuego>Oh right
20:52<jed>I've removed 'frat boys' for you
20:53<Kyhwana>oh well
20:53<cafuego>"Mad socialists" more like ;-)
20:53<cafuego>jed: ta
20:53<auraka>jed: hopefully you got some stock options with foursquare so when they go public the street with throw piles of money at them even though they are losing money hand over fist.....wait thats groupon
20:53<praetorian>isnt 4sq already public?
20:53<jed>auraka: I cannot discuss my compensation, sorry
20:53<jed>praetorian: no
20:53<praetorian>ahh k
20:53<auraka>jed: wasn't asking...just hoping for you
20:54<jed>there is public news in the last few weeks which might shed light on what you're curious about
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20:55<praetorian>one day, jed will be sitting back, creating a blog about his VC company
20:55<linbot>staticsafe: Native IPv6 Now Available in All Locations <> || IPv6 Now Available in London and Atlanta <> || Ubuntu 11.10 – Oneiric Ocelot <> || Linode Cloud Asia-Pacific! (2 more messages)
20:55<auraka>Kyhwana: load tester hooked up at 2 x 10 Gb/s.....always fun....
20:55<staticsafe>damn i was expecting some witty response
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20:55<Kyhwana>auraka: we've got 8*10Gbit ports and a 100gbit one
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20:56<auraka>I figured when jed becomes rich he'll come back to buy Linode and smite those who taunted him
20:57<auraka>Kyhwana: we had that...luckily it wasn't filled....but...hey
20:57<staticsafe>heh classic xkcd
20:57<Kyhwana>auraka: oh, ours aren't connected to any switches..
21:01<praetorian>sounds like a useful windows box
21:02<Kyhwana>stupid windows boxes
21:02<Peng> D:
21:03<auraka>Windows 2008 is good stuff I still maintain
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21:03<Kyhwana>wat.. st patty's day nyan cat
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21:07<praetorian>speaking of ms...
21:10<praetorian>Peng: first time i ended up at some basketball site
21:10<praetorian>Peng: second time.. youjizz.
21:10<amitz>Peng: hah!
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21:22<auraka>praetorian: doesn't count if you type in the urls yourself
21:24<auraka>hey someone sent me to the oatmeal...this is like russian roulette of web browsing
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21:26<Kyhwana>Probably shouldn't use that at work
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21:36<Kyhwana>hmm, linode + OCZ Z drive R4
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21:41<d3str0y>so I just connected to my VPS with WinSCP for the first time and I was going to toss an .htaccess into directory and it's telling me 'Permission denied. Error code: 3 Error message from server: Permission denied Request code: 14'
21:41*Kyhwana fehs!
21:42<Kyhwana>Out of coffee beans. *stares at mug of instant coffee*
21:42<Kyhwana>d3str0y: the user you logged in doesn't have write permissions to wherever you were trying to write to
21:42<d3str0y>ok well I disabled root login and I made a user in wheel group that is supposed to have all permissions i'd think?
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21:43<d3str0y>can I log in as root if I can't with ssh
21:43<+dwfreed>no, because SCP and SFTP still use SSH
21:43<Kyhwana>d3str0y: copy it to your users home dir, then login with ssh and use sudo to copy it to where it needs to go
21:43<d3str0y>right, plus I would think you wouldn't want to log in as root in winscp
21:44<Kyhwana>I wouldn't
21:44<Kyhwana>*whoops! I just moved /etc to /tmp!"
21:44<+dwfreed>yeah, in case you accidentally remove /usr or soemthing
21:44<d3str0y>is there a special reason that if I gave the user I am trying to log in as access all as part of that group that I shouldn't be able to upload a file with winscp :(
21:44<purrdeta>which is surprisingly easy to misclick something.
21:44<d3str0y>I know I have to use su for some things in ssh
21:45<purrdeta>d3str0y: just because it is in the wheel group, mainly just means it can use sudo.
21:46<Kyhwana>You could add your user to the group that the directory you want .htaccess is in, then give that group write permissions
21:46<d3str0y>so there are groups for directories? how do I find out what that would be?
21:47<d3str0y>i'm a complete noob =)
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21:47<Kyhwana>!library permissions
21:47<linbot>Kyhwana: 1. Modify File Permissions with chmod - | 2. Access Control with Linux Users and Groups - | 3. Deploy an e-Commerce Store with osCommerce on Fedora 13 -
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21:48<d3str0y>thank you
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21:56<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
21:58<Kyhwana>the moon!
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21:58<Gshock>the latency is killer though
21:59<Gshock>lunode. Lunar node.
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22:00<Kyhwana>hmm, ~1.2 seconds
22:00<Kyhwana>Wouldn't want ot try to play FPSes on a moon-node
22:03<Peng>If you had a Moon-node, you'd play FPSes with all your cool Moon-friends. Why would you ever want to play an FPS with some Earth dork?
22:04<EugeneKay>You puny earth people with your 3 dimensions. We mooninites have seven. Thousand.
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22:08<auraka>Gshock: no worse than fremonr
22:09<Gshock>Ha, yeah I've heard that take a beating a few times. I think one of the admins said the 2nd facility was better though
22:15*EugeneKay is not an admin
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22:28<sg>anyone know if linode supports mass mailing scripts? non-spam of course
22:28<sg>read the terms, didn't get any definitive answer...
22:29<Kyhwana>If it's not spam, you can do it
22:29<Kyhwana>If it is spam, you can't
22:30<sg>what exactly constitutes spam? I ask only because I don't want to get kicked out like i was with my last company...
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22:30<EugeneKay>sg - so long as it's legal and opt-in, go for it. If you get an abuse@ complaint, expect to be yelled at.
22:31<Kyhwana>sg: .. why were you kicked out of your last place?
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22:31<sg>vps1038 - I mailed 9000 emails to users of my site, using custom php mailing script. they declared it spam without notice and shut down my site...
22:32<sg>EugeneKay - thanks for the help, much appreciated
22:34<EugeneKay>I doubt strongly a single abuse@ complaint about bulk email will condemn you, especially if you provide a sample of the mailing. Linode employees human beings to staff their helpdesk, not mindless automatons.
22:34<Katana>wait so heckman's not a robot
22:34<devilspgd>OTOH if you have more than a handful of complaints... Expect to be beaten down.
22:35<EugeneKay>I believe he is slave labor, so it isn't technically an employment.
22:35<Katana>oh okay noted
22:35<sg>nice to know; @devilspgd - beaten down by who exactly? authorities? thats my concern mainly
22:35*Katana searches out his mountain dew
22:36<EugeneKay>Worst case they cancel your account
22:36<devilspgd>I assume Linode contracts out to local gang contacts. Or they'll just terminate service. *shrugs*
22:36<EugeneKay>Just don't be evil.
22:36<Katana>don't start hacking other people's boxes through your node or stuff
22:37<Kyhwana>Or run bitcoin miners
22:37<DreamPhysix>does updating yum require a reboot? i wouldn't think so, but i'm stupid
22:37<sg>nice to know, thanks.
22:37*Katana smacks Kyhwana
22:37<Kyhwana>DreamPhysix: no
22:37<Kyhwana>!to Katana rr
22:37<linbot>Katana: *click*
22:37<linbot>squircle: *click*
22:37<auraka>sg: you might want to go with a double-opt in
22:37<DreamPhysix>hi squircle
22:38<DreamPhysix>how are you?
22:38<sg>is there any visualation of SQL databases on linode? I'm used to phpmyAdmin..
22:38-!-Siberia [~siberia@] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
22:38<Katana>install one
22:38<Kyhwana>sg: so install phpmyadmin
22:38<squircle>DreamPhysix: i am having huge problems with the muscles in my neck right now; I can't move my head. but fine, thank you.
22:38<sg>got it
22:38<linbot>PHPMyAdmin has a long history of being used to exploit systems. Instead of trying to secure & hide it, consider other GUIs which work over a SSH tunnel instead of via a browser - MySQL WorkBench(cross-platform) and HeidiSQL(Windows) are both very good
22:39<squircle>DreamPhysix: how are you? :P
22:39*EugeneKay kicks the bot
22:39<linbot>Thanks, squircle! Om nom nom
22:39*auraka kicks EugeneKay
22:39*Katana kicks EugeneKay
22:39*linbot kicks everybody
22:39*retro|blah slaps a large trout around a bit with everybody
22:40<EugeneKay>!apropos php
22:40<linbot>EugeneKay: php and phpmyadmin
22:40*d3str0y licks squircle in the eye
22:40<DreamPhysix>squircle: I'm okay
22:40<linbot>PHPMyAdmin has a long history of being used to exploit systems. Instead of trying to secure & hide it, consider other GUIs which work over a SSH tunnel instead of via a browser - MySQL WorkBench(cross-platform) and HeidiSQL(Windows) are both very good
22:40<EugeneKay>There it goes.
22:40<EugeneKay>Oh, derp
22:40<Kyhwana>EugeneKay: wat
22:40<sg>thanks for the info
22:40<Katana>uhm yeah
22:40<Katana>no change in message EugeneKay.
22:40<EugeneKay>Sorry, my ZNC was being wonky
22:40<EugeneKay>Somehow I missed it :v
22:41<sg>are you all employees of linode?
22:41<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
22:41<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
22:41<Kyhwana>EugeneKay: jinx
22:41<Katana>I nearly did !ops.
22:41<EugeneKay>SNIPA NO SNIPING
22:41<auraka>you guys need to chill out...geezus
22:41<Katana>I said nawww, let them do it.
22:41<auraka>go do some work
22:41<Kyhwana>auraka: i'm "watch -d"ing a drop counter
22:42<d3str0y>why does cPanel cost so much monies
22:42<EugeneKay>"Because fuck you, that's why."
22:42<Katana>because the developers charge monies
22:42<Kyhwana>d3str0y: ... what EugeneKay said
22:42<d3str0y>haha true
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22:43<EugeneKay>I need to come up with a few paragraphs of bullshit for my company website.
22:44<EugeneKay>Any ideas for topics I can cover?
22:44<d3str0y>aggression, passion, and dedication
22:45<Kyhwana>EugeneKay: how your company synergises your workflow and empowers people and shit
22:45<d3str0y>kind of like tofurky?
22:45<Katana>"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit..."
22:45<EugeneKay>I said bullshit, not fairy tales
22:45<Kyhwana>oh and lets them montise the revenue stream
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22:45<Kyhwana>Katana: ahaha, I was thinking about that
22:46<d3str0y>todurken, it's all about syenergy.. and layers
22:46<d3str0y>layers upon layers
22:46<Kyhwana>firefox 11 has layers!
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22:53<DreamPhysix>i stopped using firefox after they changed their update cycle to every other day >_>
22:53<Gshock>Well, they need to be more like chrome!
22:54<Kyhwana>Well, chrome has a pdf viewer and built in flash, so it needs to be updated every day
22:54<devilspgd>Chrome does a better job of not being annoying with updates
22:54<devilspgd>FF is getting better though.
22:55<Katana>FF needs to just figure out a damn release schedule
22:55<Katana>they've changed it how many times now?
22:55<DreamPhysix>i read that they were releasing a separate project for enterprise with a different update cycle
22:55<Katana>I mean, it used to be straightforward - 1.0, 2.0, 3.0...
22:55<Katana>then came 3.1
22:56<Katana>then suddenly 3.5 because "we need a pat on the back because lots of changes lol"
22:56<DreamPhysix>did thunderbird skip like 5 versions or was it just me?
22:56<DreamPhysix>because i was using it on version 3 and then one day it was like version 8
22:56<EugeneKay>Yes, they synchronized it with the FF releases
22:56<DreamPhysix>ah ok
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23:08<Peng>Most of Firefox's release schedule/version numbering changes weren't significant.
23:08<DreamPhysix>squircle: are you familiar with the tf2 vars?
23:08<squircle>DreamPhysix: somewhat
23:08<DreamPhysix>do you know what the sv var is to disable voting so sourcemods can override it?
23:09<squircle>DreamPhysix: sv_allow_votes = 0
23:09<DreamPhysix>thanks, that's it
23:11<DreamPhysix>brilliant watson
23:12<Katana>because valve's voting system is tacky >_>
23:13<DreamPhysix>i don't like it
23:15<squircle>hardware hacking question: how would I go about determining the pinout of a 5-pin mini DIN serial port? trial and error?
23:15<Kyhwana>squircle: outsource the serial port to the cloud
23:15<squircle>but HOW?
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23:19<linbot>I'm leaving Linode for the cloud!
23:19<DreamPhysix>seriously though, i am
23:19<EugeneKay>k bai
23:19<DreamPhysix>jk, i'm too stupid to move my service
23:20<auraka>false hope :-/
23:20<auraka>DreamPhysix: just kidding buddy, you are doing a good job
23:21<auraka>learning a lot it looks like
23:21<Kyhwana>decentralised search engine..
23:22<auraka> decentralized social networks...diaspora is doing so well
23:22<DreamPhysix>didn't the founder of disapora commit suicide?
23:22<auraka> of them
23:30<jed>in that context, he's less the 'founder of diaspora' and more a 'person'
23:30<jed>I have a particular aversion to "the founder of diaspora committed suicide", because it's implying causality, if semi-indirectly
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23:35<Kyhwana>huh, does spdy
23:36<+dwfreed>heh, that's cool
23:36<+dwfreed>I didn't even know they did that, and I develop one or two twitter apps
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23:38<squircle>will show you all the spdy-connected sites
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23:39<+dwfreed>yeah, I've seen that already
23:40<Peng>FYI: Firefox doesn't have a feature like that, but it inserts an 'X-Firefox-Spdy' header on SPDY responses, which you can see in your favorite header viewer, like Live HTTP Headers or the built-in Web Console.
23:40<jed>net-internals is pretty sexy
23:41<Peng>Also I dunno if Firefox enables SPDY by default yet.
23:41<Peng>But if not it's one pref flip.
23:41<squircle>i think firefox 14 is going to enable it by default
23:41<jed>haha, firefox 14
23:41<jed>it's like netscape 5, all over again
23:43<Peng>Only 9 more?
23:44<Peng>jed: Why d'you say that?
23:44<Peng>How's it like Netscape 5?
23:44<Peng>Note: Netscape 5 was before I was born.
23:44<jed>version number jumping
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23:46<Peng>Hey, it could be worse. They could start using the raw VCS revision IDs. "Firefox a888f210af4e222fdb083a96b76c82f75b076e58 released. Download now!"
23:46<bob2>goddamn young people
23:46<Kyhwana>nah, build times
23:47<Kyhwana>Download 20120413-140559-2 now!
23:47<bob2>oh, I thought you meant build time length
23:47<Peng>Kyhwana: No no, milliseconds from 1970.
23:47<bob2>then it could go up for every commit AND every gcc release
23:47<Peng>bob2: But then different OSes would have different version numbers.
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23:53<auraka>I stopped using firefox when they did the scrolling tabs thanks
23:54<Peng>"scrolling tabs stuff"?
23:54<Katana>scrolling tabs stuff?
23:54<Katana>scroll on tab bar, and it rolls through the tabs?
23:54<Kyhwana>you can make it do columns as wel
23:54<auraka>yes....when you have too many tabs open you get a scroll left to right option to see chrome they just get soo small i can no longer see the icons
23:55<Katana>i like how it is in linux
23:55<auraka> chrome I know when to close tabs because I have too many open :)
23:55<Katana>you scroll, and it scrolls through the tabs open :)
23:55<Peng>Super-tiny tabs? That reminds of when I used Tab Mix Plus years ago.
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23:55<auraka>Peng: it is a self-regulation thing
23:56<auraka>plus I know which tab is which....i don't want to have to scroll to get to a tab I need
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23:57<auraka>that and firefox is just kind of lost....where have they been in mobile...if anyone has their crap together it is opera
23:57<Peng>Yeah. One downside of the scrolling tab bar is that I can have a zillion tabs opening without noticing.
23:57<auraka>but they did the stupid widgets and then switched to extensions
23:57<Katana>{success: 0,error: {msg: "invalid csrf token"}}
23:57<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
23:57<auraka>Peng: yup
23:58<auraka>I also just want a blank new tab....this topsites thing needs to die
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.21860062, 0.44789071) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108766 of 138088 (π ≈ 3.150628584670645 - 0.009035931080852). http://π
23:59<+dwfreed>squircle: you cheated
23:59<squircle>how did I cheat?
23:59<+dwfreed>squircle: you used, likely
23:59<squircle>uh, no
23:59<squircle>i have no idea what that is, plus i'm in a totally non-scriptable IRC client
23:59*Katana facekeyboard
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