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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-05-10

---Logopened Thu May 10 00:00:14 2012
00:00<droidberg>â â sftp -v -P 8383 root@ Attaching to 8383... exec: 8383: No such file or directory
00:00<@akerl>droidberg: Yup
00:00<@akerl>droidberg: You need to run that command, with '-v', on the command line
00:00<@akerl>as per above
00:00<Kyhwana>akerl: he did?
00:01<XReaper>I thought -P had to go on the END?
00:01<Kyhwana>XReaper: thats for scp. I dunno how you specify port with sftp
00:01<@akerl>-P #
00:01<@akerl>droidberg: What program did you run that command in?
00:01<XReaper>Oh... it does take options first.
00:01<droidberg>im in putty remoted in ssh
00:02<Kyhwana>(just run ssh on port 22, for the love of eris)
00:02<dest>rnowak should this work for 775 on a directory --- chmod g+rwxrwxr-x data
00:02<@akerl>droidberg: You're what who where>
00:02<auraka>dest: why wouldn't you just chmod 755?
00:02<dest>aurake im learning, the manual had the rwx
00:02<dest>not the numbers
00:02<droidberg>you lost me, where should i be
00:02<auraka>sorry chmod 775
00:03<@akerl>droidberg: On the command line, somewhere
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00:03<@heckman>Well, this sucks.
00:04<rnowak>dest: g+w would've been enough in this case, as grouÃp lready had read and exec
00:04<droidberg>local or server ? im useing win xp .....
00:05<dest>rnowak i did everything u said and now i get worse errors :\
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00:05<asdfqwer>-P is server_path
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00:05<auraka>dest: listened to rnowak?
00:05<asdfqwer>what kinda client are you using?
00:05<auraka>asdfqwer: wait?
00:06<dest>thats the error i get in xenforo now
00:06<auraka>dest: didn't you have this working yesterday?
00:06<dest>the avatars didnt work
00:06<droidberg>im trying to sftp via filezilla client
00:06<dest>everything else worked, but no avatars
00:06<dest>any ideas how to fix this?
00:07<rnowak>dest: ls -la in the data directory
00:07<rnowak>and internal_data
00:07<asdfqwer>in the sftp client package i'm using on ubuntu -P is server_path
00:07<asdfqwer>sftp -oPorth=8383 root@blah
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00:07<auraka>no it isn't
00:07<XReaper>asdfqwer: whaaa
00:07<XReaper>port :P
00:08<asdfqwer>but i dunno about all that filezilla stuff
00:08<asdfqwer>just download winscp
00:08<rnowak>why are you giving advice which is irrelevant right now?
00:08<auraka>droidberg: stop....what do you need to accomplish?
00:08<auraka>just pull data off a linode?
00:08<rnowak>dest: you've removed exec on directories, without exec, you can't enter them
00:09<asdfqwer>i think he's just trying to connect to his machine
00:09<dest>how the hell did i do that
00:09<dest>i did 664 on them
00:09<dest>i did 775 on the outside
00:10<dest>sorry my mistake
00:10<droidberg>need pull everything
00:10<droidberg>mail info
00:11<droidberg>etc etc
00:11<auraka>so you are using filezilla to connect to your linode?
00:11<droidberg>i would like something
00:11<asdfqwer>as in download the files?
00:11<rnowak>dest: chmod -R ug=rwX,o=rX data
00:11<droidberg>install the winscp
00:11<rnowak>dest: and on the other directory
00:11<auraka>droidberg: if you already have filezilla lets just use that
00:12<droidberg>filezilla is up
00:12<dest>is that it rnowak?
00:12<rnowak>dest: I'd think so
00:12<dest>OMFG it worked....
00:12<auraka>droidberg: in the host field put in sftp://
00:12<dest>my love for you, is enormous
00:12<auraka>droidberg: in the user field put root
00:13<auraka>then password....your password
00:13<auraka>port 8383
00:13<auraka>this should be in the quickconnect bar
00:13<droidberg>it says
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00:13<droidberg>Command: open "root@" 8383 Command: Trust new Hostkey: Once Command: Pass: ******* Error: Authentication failed. Error: Critical error Error: Could not connect to server
00:13<rnowak>dest: -R for recursive, ug is user and group, = means set to, r is read, w is write, X is execute if it already has it or is a directory, o is world/other
00:14<rnowak>user = owner
00:14<auraka>droidberg: bad password
00:14<dest>thank you
00:14<droidberg>root pw for server right?
00:14<auraka>droidberg: and do you allow root logins?
00:14<auraka>droidberg: yes
00:14<auraka>if you allow root logins to the server
00:15<droidberg>not sure im the new admin have no clue of old settings or what's going with this mess of a server
00:15<droidberg>how do i allow it ?
00:15<auraka>when you ssh into the server on port 8383 what username do you use to get in?
00:15<auraka>have you used putty to get in?
00:15<droidberg>I'm useing root
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00:16<auraka>okay then the settings i gave you before should work with the right password
00:17<droidberg>yes used putty
00:17<droidberg>im in putty right now
00:17<auraka>okay....well then that list of things for filezilla should work
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00:18<droidberg>going to reset root pw
00:21<droidberg>no go
00:22<droidberg>I will keeping with need take a break
00:22<droidberg>will try again later
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00:22<droidberg>thanks for you help I"m sure i will be back here soon
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00:23<auraka>droidberg: may the force be with you
00:24<dest>rnowak: just want to apologize about earlier, i realize you were just trying to help me learn to search myself
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00:24<rnowak>dest: I am also an asshole, not quite as large as mwalling, but I am
00:24<dest>its all good :)
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00:25<dest>i just wonder how many users I lost out on today because my email server wasnt configured
00:25<Katana>probably quite a few
00:25<auraka>dest: lost me
00:25<Katana>most registrations, when it fails to go out, they just walk away
00:25<dest>probably 20-30 not that big a deal, site is only 4 days old
00:25<auraka>rnowak: mwalling isn't an asshole....he gives assholes a bad name
00:26<auraka>no...really..I like mwalling, super smart guy
00:26<rnowak>you could, you know, check the database for accounts which havn't been activated yet -- and send out an email to them explaining the situation, and to request a new activation email
00:26<XReaper>I'm off... better get out of bed :D
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00:27<dest>o good call
00:27<fnord185>Hey everyone. I'm curious if anyone has any advice for tracking down a swapping situation that has been hitting me once a day for about 30 minutes (at around 1pm or so).
00:27<asdfqwer>i feel sorry for droidberg's linode
00:27<fnord185>I've checked the apache logs and didn't notice anything too unusual.
00:27<asdfqwer>he's the last guy who should have root
00:27<auraka>night all
00:28<fnord185>The server is running apache/php/wordpress stack.
00:28<fnord185>Naturally, it could be a lot of things...
00:29<avenj>wait, sequel isn't the one I wanted.
00:29<asdfqwer>i'm not an asshole
00:29<Katana>i am
00:30<auraka>asdfqwer: nope....just ignorant and arrogant
00:31<asdfqwer>i was really just trying to kill time while awating for help on another topic in another chan
00:31<rnowak>so avenj finds it ok to be a donkey
00:31<asdfqwer>i was trying to be helpful
00:31<auraka>rnowak: donkey hole
00:31<rnowak>urmom is a donkey
00:31<asdfqwer>and i know a lot about idiots because i am
00:31<linbot>Katana: Yo mommas so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:4/1) [murmo]
00:31<Katana>There is no ninth planet anymore. :(
00:31<avenj>asdfqwer: simple point being there are a lot of folks who are new to all this and have a lot of reading and learning ahead of them but aren't necessarily Doomed just *yet*
00:31<asdfqwer>winscp is easier than filezilla for sftp
00:31<Katana>THIS IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT. ;_;
00:31<rnowak>Katana: do not say such things
00:31<auraka>Katana: ya there is...urmom
00:31<asdfqwer>on windows
00:32<auraka>asdfqwer: and cyberduck owns them both....whats your point
00:32<avenj>rnowak: I like it when you're a donkey
00:32<asdfqwer>i agree, but there are all sorts of different types, some want to learn and others just want to complete the task or fix the probem
00:33<asdfqwer>my point is winscp is easier than filezilla than someone new with sftp/ftp stuff
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00:33<rnowak>it is?
00:34<asdfqwer>well maybe not ftp, but specifically sftp, his solution was bad password right?
00:34<auraka>or you're just confusing someone who already has a program they use
00:34<pharaun>install ssh, install winscp, done
00:34<pharaun>oh snap most system got ssh already set up
00:34<@akerl>install virtualbox, install archlinux, done
00:34<pharaun>install akerl, done
00:34<praetorian>lol mowak
00:34<dest>ronwak that worked :) i found the users in my sql database
00:34<auraka>akerl: good waste of time idea
00:35<asdfqwer>install gentoo, receive unemployment, done
00:35<praetorian>install ubuntu, release you dont have enough ram in your machine
00:35<praetorian>no z
00:35<rnowak>realice (:
00:35<Katana>install xen, install linux, install vmware, install linux, install virtualbox, install windows, install java, cry.
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00:36<auraka>the last one got me too
00:36<auraka>but you forgot "Pay Royalties unto Caesar (Oracle), cry"
00:37<Katana>fuck that
00:37<Katana>STEAL JAVA, RUN
00:37<asdfqwer>Katana, i can't top that
00:37<auraka>praetorian: z
00:37<praetorian>no z
00:37<auraka>yes z
00:37<rnowak>auraka: your N is tilted
00:38<Katana>your m is broken mowak
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00:38<rnowak>is it??
00:38<auraka>rnowak: now make a backwards b!
00:38<Katana>ʞɐʍoɯ noʎ ƃuıɥɔʇɐʍ ɯ,ı
00:38<rnowak>makes me laff every single time I see it on that quotes site
00:39<Katana>which one is that
00:39<asdfqwer>is that an encode?
00:40<linbot>Katana: Point (0.16119528, 0.86098099) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 111439 of 141452 (π ≈ 3.151288069451121 - 0.009695415861328). http://π
00:40<Katana>asdfqwer: grab your monitor, rotate it 1π clockwise.
00:41<asdfqwer>i'll just sit down on my ceiling brb
00:41<linbot>mowak is not a nick. Please see
00:42<asdfqwer>look he even mapped it for you in js
00:42<Katana>i use
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01:00<chesty>this message is ups¡dǝ doɯn
01:00<encode>no it isn't
01:00<chesty>it is
01:00<rnowak>you must live in australia encode, it sure is here
01:00<encode>not for me
01:01<encode>rnowak: i think it's more the lack of utf8 in this term, than that i live in .au
01:01<dest>rnowak you saved me 33 users :)
01:01<chesty>it's umop ep!sdn upside down
01:01<dest>mysql> select email from xf_user where user_state = "email_confirm" -> ;
01:01<linbot>New news from forums: Include top processes in high-cpu utilization notification in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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01:01<rnowak>dest: good job
01:02<dest>SQL i know :)
01:02<dest>linux I dont
01:02<rnowak>no one knows sql, some people just manage to faceroll the keyboard right once and then
01:03<rnowak>oh sorry, I mixed it up with perl
01:03<dest>haha -- na I am highly profecient at sql
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01:04<rnowak>why isn't straterra here to read me making fun out of perl, pretty disappointing
01:04<avenj>I could probably find something heavy to hit you with, if you like
01:04<rnowak>please don't, not urmom!
01:04<avenj>well played.
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01:11<rnowak> ha ha avenj admitted to sleeping in his blag, WEAK
01:11<avenj>I has no blag
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01:12<avenj>I do have a facebook, but we can't be friends. it's not you, it's me.
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01:17<rnowak>I'm hurt
01:17<avenj>pharaun: kiss it better will you?
01:17<pharaun>ha ha no
01:17<avenj>way to not be a team player
01:17<rnowak>yeah, you asshole, pharaun
01:19<rnowak>I've got a new idea for an alarm clock for the deaf, wanna be my test subject pharaun?
01:19<StevenK>rnowak: What, it smacks them in the face?
01:20<rnowak>it involves electricity, water, nails and strobe lights
01:20<avenj>I like it already
01:20<pharaun>i dont
01:22<pharaun>is technorati even... relevant if it ever was
01:22<rnowak>it indexes blogs? when were blogs ever relevant?
01:27<rnowak>ok people, this channel is now for singalong purposes
01:27<rnowak>let's kick it off with old mcdonald had a farm, pharaun, take the lead
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01:29<pharaun> Old MacDonald had a farm, EE-I-EE-I-O,
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01:30<chesty>pharaun: how does the alarm wake you up?
01:31<avenj>-> remainder of channel has already succumbed to the fast life of rock and roll
01:31<rnowak>and on that farm he had an amitz, javur javur javur
01:31<rnowak>I screwed it up, didn't I, damnit
01:32<pharaun>it was close enough rnowak :)
01:32<amitz>did someone insult ENTERPRISE?
01:32<pharaun>chesty: vibration alarm, its a disk that goes below the matress or below the pillow, and it vibrates and wakes me up
01:32<pharaun>i hate and loathes that alarm
01:32<rnowak>you will be thrilled to use my new invention then
01:32<chesty>no one enjoys an alarm
01:33<amitz>al-arm , *snicker* for the inside joke.
01:34<rnowak>step one is pouring water on you, then it electrocutes you, and then the strob lights start, and if you think you can ignore that as well, the nails will thrust forward into your feet
01:34<pharaun>i've stopped using strobe alarms
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01:35<pharaun>they don't work for me, nor does fire alarms for that matter
01:35<rnowak>my creation can be connected to fire alarms!
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01:36<rnowak>would you want to be part of the amish amitz?
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01:38<Solver>saw a bunch of Amish at an amusement park once (Centre island, Toronto). I guess amusement parks aren't against the rules
01:38<amitz>amish isa spin off of amitz religion.
01:39<Solver>as I understand it the Amish rules vary a lot by sect
01:39<amitz>yeah, just like many religions.
01:40<@akerl>rnowak: Think you could make a bed like this? spinning alarm?
01:41<rnowak>mhm I like that -- question is if we should lock him in place or not
01:42<rnowak>or make it a catapult
01:43<@akerl>just have it spin along the same axis that you're laying
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01:46<@akerl>better yet: make it undulate
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01:51<rnowak>we need a plan b in case it doesn't wake him up
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01:52<XReaper>mmm... php5.4
01:53<EugeneKay>PHP is a hell of a drug.
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01:56<Solver>PCP, PHP, etc
01:56<rnowak>pharaun: do you have room for a cage for a skunk?
01:57<pharaun>:( no
01:57<rnowak>that's plan b; if you don't wake up, we'll shock the skunk and it will spray you
01:57<pharaun>tiny room
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02:06<laj>FInally singing up, but my promo code form YAPC 2010 has expired.
02:07<laj>any similar live codes available?
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02:11<Boohemian>pharaun: did you move from boston yet?
02:12<pharaun>yah uh in august :)
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02:14<Boohemian>i just got a full time job in boston! :)
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02:17<Boohemian>thanks! i start next tuesday. i am very excited!
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02:24<chesty>hehe promo code from 2010
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02:27<danblack>on the linode IO graphs - the blocks per second. is the block size 4Kb?
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02:30<shul>hi, I need urgent help... how do I resize a partition without loosing the information on it ?
02:31<retro|blah>Should be able to do it through Linode Manager if it's ext3
02:32<retro|blah>(You do need to shut down if it's attached to your currently booted profile)
02:32<shul>ok, and then it will let me resize ?
02:33<shul>great, thanks
02:33<shul>743 days uptime :)
02:35*pharaun uses a kernel exploit
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02:41<shul>phew! crisis averted!!
02:41<shul>thanks @retrolblah
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02:50<wrf>damn pirates
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02:59<wrf>yea i just read (some) of earlier text
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03:03<wrf>i can't see genehack without thinking genehackman
03:03<wrf>it could just be gene hacking...
03:04<qmr>A wild job offer appears!
03:04<qmr>743 day uptime? Pretty soon I'm going to have 10,000 day uptime..
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03:06<qmr>I got an email reminder of it a couple weeks ago. Thursday May 24th will be 10,000 days. I'm old
03:08<wrf>nerd much?
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03:10<qmr>mmm, vodka.
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03:17<linbot>New news from forums: Drupal 7 on LAMP Stack in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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03:31<encode>qmr: you're just a youngling then
03:31<XReaper>never tried vodka
03:32*vodka is just a tasteless alcoholic liquid
03:32*XReaper drinks vodka
03:32*encode prefers vodka's mom
03:35<encode>also, i just realised i'm older than x86
03:36*wrf is as old as NES
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03:36<encode>when was NES released?
03:37<bonjurkes>what should I use for using virtualized linux installation on win? vmware or virtualbox or else?
03:37<gerryvdm>i'm old enough to have played with a NES
03:37<encode>i guess my sister is as old as NES then
03:38<qmr>bonjurkes: I recommend virtualbox
03:38<encode>bonjurkes: either vmware or virtualbox
03:38<encode>virtualbox is more free
03:38<bonjurkes>thanks encode. I am gonna try arch linux :)
03:38<encode>vmware player is easier for beginners (imo)
03:39<qmr>it's not as if virtualbox is hard at all though. RAM, disk, CD, next next next, done
03:39<encode>qmr: true
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03:43<bonjurkes>thanks qmr and encode
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03:43<francis_rodrigues>hello, good night (were is brazil)
03:44<bonjurkes>hello good night francis_rodrigues
03:44<francis_rodrigues>My linode is almost zero.
03:44<francis_rodrigues>The contact form could not send mail with mail () function
03:45<francis_rodrigues>I do not know what to install, because do not know the type of installation, sendmail or postfix to the user's site to receive e-mail directly to external e-mail him.
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03:46<bonjurkes>francis did you install sendmail?
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03:46<bonjurkes>my damn connection
03:46<francis_rodrigues>but I need to set up and found it very confusing
03:47<francis_rodrigues>I found a dovecot, I will test now
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03:54<XReaper>i wonder how much php 5.4 will break things :D
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03:56<XReaper>been moved into arch's extra
03:58<bonjurkes>xreaper does arch linux have console only minimal version?
03:59<XReaper>bonjurkes: arch linux only has a console only minimal version
03:59<XReaper>only way it comes.
03:59<bonjurkes>lol ok xreaper i thought it comes with gnome
04:00<XReaper>mind you, if you were installing it onto a computer with internet access... use netinstall iso
04:00<XReaper>Oh yeah... you have to select that in the intstall
04:00<bonjurkes>I will try it on arch linux
04:00<XReaper>by defualt, it has basically nothing
04:00<bonjurkes>thats good :)
04:00<XReaper>So stuff like sudo and screen need to be manually installed :P
04:01<bonjurkes>I am trying to get used to virtualbox first
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04:01<birarda>anybody around?
04:01<birarda>having problems with a stack script
04:01<bonjurkes>just ask
04:01<birarda>top of the file
04:01<birarda>apt-get update apt-get -y install build-essential zlib1g-dev libssl-dev libreadline-dev libyaml-dev libcurl4-openssl-dev
04:01<birarda>on two lines
04:02<XReaper>mmm i see...
04:02<birarda>I get this error
04:02<birarda>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open
04:02<XReaper>right, probs not being run as root
04:02<XReaper>that's weird
04:02<birarda>if I run it as root as soon as the VPS boots I see that
04:03<XReaper>Oh ok
04:03<XReaper>something has it open then
04:03<birarda>on boot?
04:03<qmr>birarda: does "ps aux | grep apt" return anything?
04:03<bonjurkes>have you tried doing those commands manually?
04:03<birarda>it seems like after a wait I can run it no problem
04:04<birarda>thing is it's a stackscript
04:04<birarda>so I want it to run successfully when I rebuild with the stackscript
04:04<birarda>which it's not
04:04<birarda>ubuntu 12.04 if it matters
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04:07<birarda>damn ... had to refresh and lost history
04:08<XReaper>Doesn't make sense that dpkg is doing stuff at boot
04:08<@akerl>birarda: You're running a stackscript
04:08<birarda>yeah ...
04:08<@akerl>How are you running it?
04:09<birarda>I rebuild the VPS and choose that stackscript
04:09<@akerl>and where are you seeing the error?
04:09<birarda>on the first boot of the VPS after the stackscript has failed on it's own during the rebuild I run it manually and it gives me that error in the console
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04:10<@akerl>Is the stackscript public?
04:10<birarda>One sec I'll make it public
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04:13<@akerl>birarda: How soon after you hit the boot button are you connecting via SSH?
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04:14<@akerl>birarda: How soon after you hit the boot button are you connecting via SSH?
04:14<birarda_>20 seconds?
04:14<@akerl>birarda: The stackscript starts when you boot for the first time. You're running that command while your stackscript's apt-get is running
04:15<@akerl>You can watch it with LISH
04:15<birarda_>I was just going to ask if the stack script would still be executing when I boot
04:15<birarda_>that makes sense now … noticed in some popular scripts that people recommended tailing the file they log to to see progress
04:15<birarda_>rookie mistake, thanks
04:16<birarda_>I'll add some logging so I can tail progress when I boot up the first time
04:16<@akerl>Or just watch on LISH :)
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04:18<birarda>what's the benefit of lish vs. ssh?
04:18<Yaakov>Lish is console access.
04:19<Yaakov>It is the same as a serial terminal connected to a port on a machine.
04:19<@akerl>for this? lish is your console, so that's where the stackscript runs/outputs
04:19<birarda>one more thing
04:19<Yaakov>Don't listen to akerl, he's insane and dresses funny.
04:19<birarda>I noticed when rebuilding you're able to up the swap size but linode recommends using the default
04:19<@akerl>most of the time, the benefit is that lish goes through the host, so if your networking scripts or firewall or whatever is borked, you can still get in
04:20<birarda>why wouldn't I use a 512mb swap instead of a 256?
04:20<@akerl>birarda: 99% of the time, you gain nothing from more swap; if you thrash it, you're already dead in the water
04:21<@akerl>You want enough swap so you can identify the issue, but any more is just more rope to hang yourself with
04:21<birarda>good to know, thanks
04:21<@akerl>On a related note: if you're rapidly redeploying from your stackscript, use small disk images (a couple gig or so)
04:23<birarda>I'm not planning on redeploying … I have a chef setup that needs ruby 1.9.3 and I was using an EC2 ami I made that I was using
04:23<birarda>but t1.micro instances are brutal
04:23<XReaper>That bad?
04:23<birarda>inconsistent … maybe I was overloading but I was running nginx+unicorn+ror+mysql
04:24<birarda>and maxing it out
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04:26<birarda>anyways … after my free tier was up it'd be the same price and I've heard nothing but amazing things about linode
04:26<birarda>so I figured I might as well jump ship now
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04:33<bonjurkes>I messed with network settings of virtualbox, damn
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04:35<birarda>thanks for the help all
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04:38<moe>Hi - is it normal to get a lot of lagginess when typing on smaller linodes? it seems to periodically freeze up on my xterm when I type for a second or two. It's very obvious sometimes when I'm trying to scroll through a large file, or even just typing at the command-line.
04:38<XReaper>moe: network lag
04:39<XReaper>ssh waits for a reply that it got it before it prints to screen
04:39<danblack>suggest using mtr to examine any intermittant lantency/loss issues
04:40<moe>hmm... I don't usually have a problem with that on my slicehost slices and they are actually further away... how can I troubleshoot this?
04:41<XReaper>mtr from both ends
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04:42<moe>ok, I'll try that thanks.
04:42<chesty>moe: it could be you're swapping, too. chec free and netstat
04:44<moe>ok mtr seems to be telling me that is 90% packet loss.
04:44<moe>what the..
04:45<moe>well, down to 68% now.
04:45<moe>so that is router between my comcast in DC and the atlanta datacenter?
04:45<moe>what can I do about that?
04:46<@akerl>moe: Put the MTR in a pastebin?
04:47<@akerl>holy linewrap, batman
04:48<moe>eah i know
04:48<moe>what's the best way to get it formatted.
04:48<@akerl>Yea, you've got 0% end loss; you can ignore the loss at that single hop
04:50<moe>hmm.. ok.. so that tells me network latency is not the issue?
04:50<danblack>mtr has a -r option from memory
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04:53<moe>mtr -r :
04:56<moe>not so helpful?
04:57<chesty>you have a good network connection, so look elsewhere for the issue, like memory/IO usage
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04:58<moe>ok thanks, that helps to know.
04:58<moe>what is whoopsie
04:59<moe>using a ridiculous amount of ram
04:59<chesty>apt-cache show whoopsie
04:59<chesty>someone complained about it in here the other day
05:00<moe>hmmm.. must be some standard ubuntu thing.
05:00<chesty>kill it with fire
05:01<chesty>is this a new install or a do-release-upgrade?
05:01<moe>new install of pangolin
05:02<moe>the machine is pretty idle... it's not doing anything really,
05:03<chesty>yeah, i don't have it installed, and mine is an old install with do-release-upgrade. just remove it.
05:03<moe>although seems like some swap is being used.
05:03<chesty>netstat 1 20
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05:04<chesty>swap is normal, if you run free a few times, if the swap figure doesn't change, you're fine
05:04<chesty>netstat 1 20 will also shed some light on swap usage
05:05<moe>yeah that makes more sense.
05:05<chesty>yeah, brain fart
05:06<chesty>SpaceHobo knows all about farts
05:06<moe>i blindly pasted it thinking this info looks useless... take two:
05:07<bonjurkes>I cant install archlinux on virtualbox, cant make the damn network settings
05:07<bonjurkes>it keeps saying core.db ftp... no address record
05:07<chesty>moe: welp, it looks idle like you said. is it still stalling?
05:08<chesty>i noticed that netstat you pasted had a high send q on a ssh connection
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05:08<chesty>heckman: consider removing whoopsie from the new ubuntu image
05:08<moe>yeah definitely still stalling
05:09<chesty>and when it stalls, it recovers by itself?
05:10<moe>yup. i'll just be typing at the command line and then it freezes for a second or two, and then everything comes in after.
05:11<moe>what is a high send q on ssh?
05:11<chesty>look at line 7
05:12<chesty>on the netstat paste
05:12<moe>ah yes.. that looks like my shell then.
05:13<moe>must be related to the lagginess
05:14<chesty>yes, sre you behind a firewall?
05:15<moe>apple airport extreme
05:16<moe>it's a nice router, would be nicer with a web interface
05:16<moe>could there be an issue there?
05:16<moe>not likely
05:16<moe>I have about 8 ssh's open to my slicehost slices with no real problems.
05:17<chesty>moe: I don't know, and I have to go. but from something to try, on your linode, run ifconfig eth0 mtu 1000 to lower the mtu
05:18<moe>ok well, i'll try that and if i have to I'll open a ticket.
05:18<chesty>but usually mtu problems don't fix themselves after a stall
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05:23*dr_jkl grumbles and connects to lish
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05:24<dr_jkl>+1 to sleep-dep! I did 'service networking restart' instead of just doing ssh. FAIL
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05:25<SirSquidness>dr_jkl: and you found that hilarious, right? :D
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05:25<dr_jkl>of course, why wouldnt i?
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05:26<dr_jkl>i'm famous for tiny little networking fuckups, once I forgot 'auto eth0' doing some latenight work
05:27<Kyh>dr_jkl: durp
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06:11<MaZ->[40449.956568] Out of memory: kill process 8334 (sshd) score 17651 or a child
06:11<MaZ->[40449.956737] Killed process 8334 (sshd)
06:11<MaZ->please, oom killer, pick a more important process
06:11<@akerl>MaZ-: The secret here is "don't oom"
06:12<MaZ->hah akerl
06:12<MaZ->trying to run a tomcat app on a 370mb vm (not linode :V)
06:12<MaZ->so java was using about 300mb of ram, and oom killer picks the main sshd process to kill, which was using about 5mb :(
06:13<internat>sucks when that happens
06:13<XReaper>java does that
06:13<@akerl>XReaper: ...
06:13<@akerl>His problem is not a java problem.
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06:14<MaZ->the vm is just too small
06:15<MaZ->i do quite enjoy watching what the oom killer decides to nuke though
06:15<internat>max heap size probably needs changing :P
06:15<@akerl>MaZ-: My OOM killer knowledge ends somewhere around "don't trigger it", but I'm curious if it's possible to mark processes as extra important to the oom killer
06:15<internat>oom rols /dev/random
06:15<MaZ->yeah someone in another channel mentioned that
06:15<MaZ->like whether its possible to whitelist processes or something
06:15<internat>damm kernel trying to save itself. thats gonna be the start of skynet you know
06:15<@akerl>the hacky approach would, of course, be to run a cron job or something like monit to make sure sshd is running
06:16<MaZ->oh, apparently something you have to set in /proc/<pid>
06:16<MaZ->but yeah, just pushing it too far - sorting out jira for a separate project, and the vm is like 400mb or something
06:17<MaZ->the jira vm we have at work has 4gb and uses between 2 and 3
06:17<@akerl>oom_adj or similar?
06:18<@akerl>Looks like -17 == "never kill this ever"
06:19<@akerl>My sshd defaults to that :P
06:19<internat>probably a good thing
06:20<MaZ->i have to admit i shit myself a little, thought i'd broken the box somehow
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06:30<chesty>oom nom nom
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06:37*oom noms on processes
06:37<MaZ->hrm... its not possible to automatically create a new linode with a private ip already set up is it? (at the moment im using the api in a stackscript to add a private ip)
06:37<chesty>!ipinfo 7caac09c
06:37<linbot>chesty: IP:; rDNS: None; City: Abbotsford; State: New South Wales; Country: Australia;
06:37<chesty>i wonder who that is
06:38<HoopyCat>oom ==
06:38<internat>ooh another aussie :)
06:38<internat>i used to have a script that would check who in the channel was from the same ip..
06:39<HoopyCat>MaZ-: you could do the linode.ip.addprivate() before the linode.disk.createfromstackscript()
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06:39<HoopyCat>MaZ-: or just use IPv6 and be done with it :-)
06:39<MaZ->HoopyCat: not using the API to trigger the deployment
06:40<MaZ->(its a ghettoscript so "less technical" people here can deploy from the linode manager)
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06:42<HoopyCat>MaZ-: ah. IPv6 suggestion continues. :-)
06:43<chesty>MaZ-: they are running out of private ip addresses, so that might be why it's not automatic
06:44<internat>they what?
06:46<HoopyCat>it's a /17, so there's only 32,768 per datacenter :-/ i hope you aren't just adding one without a need for it
06:48<chesty>there are
06:48<chesty>HoopyCat: apologise to caer this minute
06:48<HoopyCat>there're no need to be picky
06:48<chesty>and fix my k ey
06:49*HoopyCat drops krumbs into chesty's k key
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06:49<XReaper>internat: lots of aussies in here :P
06:50<internat>excellent. we have to take over the world somehow
06:51<MaZ->HoopyCat: using node balancer, so need the internal ip's afaik
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06:53<chesty>surely the node balancer would work with ipv6, being such a recent addition
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06:53<XReaper>MaZ-: ipv6 enabled
06:54<chesty>this sucks, my tv didn't record the late show on the 8th, and I can't download it :(
06:55<HoopyCat>chesty: i have it here:
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07:18<XReaper>funny i can tell when i switched my linode to arch... :P
07:18<XReaper>from cpu graphs funnily enough
07:18<Kyh>It stopped working?
07:18<XReaper>dropped from 8% at idle to more like 0--2%
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08:00<madbyte>piwik or webalizer? Any views? :)
08:01<bonjurkes>madbyte piwik looks mor fancy but hosting your own stats is not good for performance
08:01<vodka>webalizer has this nice web 0.5 feel
08:02<bonjurkes>how can I install some packages to arch linux? Pacman is not the answer, no yum no apt-get and so on
08:02<@akerl>bonjurkes: pacman
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08:03<madbyte>bonjurkes: hmm, is webalizer good, compared to piwik in terms of performance?
08:04<XReaper>bonjurkes: man pacman
08:04<XReaper>it's easy once you read the manual
08:06<bonjurkes>akerl but is there a command like apt-get update at arch linux?
08:07<@akerl>bonjurkes: Yea
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08:09<XReaper>pacman -Syu
08:09<XReaper>does the update and upgrade in one step
08:10<bonjurkes>that is wear
08:10<bonjurkes>weird sorry
08:10<bonjurkes>thanks XReaper just read it from wiki also :P
08:10<XReaper>read the wiki if you need help... yeah
08:10<bonjurkes>it is pretty new thing for me never used arch linux before
08:12<Kegley> uwsgi doesn't seem to start but there's no errors anywhere, curl localhost:9001 should respond no?
08:12<bonjurkes>it said conflicting files no update happened damn you arch linux
08:12<@akerl>bonjurkes: Read the message
08:13<bonjurkes>akerl yeah I found from wiki also, but it is still silly
08:13<@akerl>bonjurkes: I will tell you this up front: If you run pacman and don't read every line of the output and understand what it means, you will blow up your Linode
08:13<bonjurkes>akerl I am on my virtualbox, I never used archlinux, and I am not going to test it on my precious linode
08:14<bonjurkes>my precious
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08:22<@heckman>chesty: any particular reason?
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08:23<XReaper>bonjurkes: i run two arch linodes
08:23<bonjurkes>damn you XReaper :P Prolly i will mess my linux installation soon
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08:24<XReaper>best to keep to debian or ubuntu if you want to live.
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08:24<bonjurkes>yeah I am using debian now XReaper someone told me to give a try to arch linux and here I am
08:25<XReaper>i haven't used debian in ages, but yes <#
08:25<bonjurkes>have anyone heard percona server?
08:25<@heckman>Name sounds vaguely familiar
08:25<XReaper>heckman: how much is your .ro domain?
08:26<@heckman>I think it was like 40-50 USD
08:26<chesty>heckman: it uses a lot of memory
08:26<bonjurkes>heckman it is like a tech support team which offers premium mysql innodb etc solutions
08:26<bonjurkes>my friend is working at a company that have 900 gb of db
08:26<XReaper>heckman: thats a lot for a domain
08:26<bonjurkes>and he said they use it, and they get support also
08:26<@heckman>A small investment in trolling
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08:27<@heckman>chesty: how much is a lot? brb
08:27<bonjurkes>chesty does persona use a lot memory?
08:28<Spajjie>HI all
08:28<Spajjie>Does Linode support Rails apps?
08:28<bonjurkes>if you install then sure it will
08:28<Peng> <- $40
08:28<Spajjie>So would i need to load up passenger etc?
08:28<bonjurkes>yep yep
08:28<bonjurkes>I think passenger is out for nginx also so give it a try
08:30<Kegley>Works fine for nginx, my friend devs on it
08:30<XReaper>Peng: makes .me look cheap
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08:30<Null_>.me < $20
08:31<bonjurkes>XReaper i think info looks cheap
08:31<bonjurkes>< $2
08:31<XReaper>my .me will be costingme $20 year
08:32<bonjurkes>that moment when your chrome takes more cpu and memory then virtualbox
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08:32<XReaper>bonjurkes: chrome spanws fifty million processes
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08:33<Spajjie>Can I ask - are Linode servers situated anywhere in Australia?
08:33<bonjurkes>XReaper while firefox spawns 1 process and takes 1.5 gb of memory
08:33<mwalling>Spajjie: no
08:33<bonjurkes>Spajjie no but there is japan if you like?
08:33<mwalling>Spajjie: 4x US, London, and Japan
08:34<XReaper>Spajjie: I'm near sydney, Tokyo was best for me
08:34<XReaper>Next is Fremont
08:34<bonjurkes>I really want to deploy one on Japan but it gives 300 ms pings too much
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08:34<bonjurkes>I want germany location
08:34*XReaper rocks out to 140ms pings
08:34<bonjurkes>I rock with 60 ms ping to London
08:35<mwalling>bonjurkes: shit, i get almost 200ms from upstate NY to Newark
08:35<mwalling>(its a 4 hour drive in the car)
08:35<XReaper>mwalling: bad isp?
08:35<bonjurkes>mwalling London takes 3 hours from here with plane
08:35*Solver has driven across NYS and it took more than 4 hours :)
08:36<mwalling>Solver: i live by albany
08:36<mwalling>Solver: its 2 hours from here to the city, i figure another 2 to get to newark
08:36<Solver>I was gonna guess Albany :)
08:36<mwalling>Solver: the real upstate
08:36<XReaper>There is an albany in aus... damn cold place
08:36<Solver>I didn't stp there but I'd like to one day
08:37<mwalling>Solver: not much to see
08:37<mwalling>Solver: also, if you stalk me on twitterz you could figure out more detail then albany
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08:39<Spajjie>Tokyo? What are the transfer rates like?
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08:41<bonjurkes>!speedtest to bonjurkes
08:41<mwalling>!to bonjurkes Spajjie
08:41<bonjurkes>I should learn the linbot commands
08:41<mwalling>!to bonjurkes speedtest
08:41<bonjurkes>now kiss bonjurkes Spajjie
08:42<bonjurkes>!to mwalling ask
08:42<linbot>mwalling: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
08:42<bonjurkes>yep it works :D
08:42<mwalling>!to bonjurkes mwalling
08:42<linbot>bonjurkes: find /home/mwalling -user mwalling | xargs rm -v
08:42<bonjurkes>not bad
08:42<mwalling>it hurt
08:42<mwalling>thankfully i did it on a palm centro over 1x and the lag caused it to go real slow
08:42<bonjurkes>I prefer /var/www
08:43<mwalling>the actuall command was find . -user mwalling..., i was running it in /tmp to clean up twirssi debug files
08:43<linbot>New news from forums: Shutting down one of my linodes in Customer Testimonials <>
08:43<bonjurkes>My job is playing games and I am bored :/
08:44<Solver>that linbot is such a joker
08:44<bonjurkes> 08:36:38 up 627 days, 9:53, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
08:44<bonjurkes>dafuck dude
08:46<XReaper>SpaceHobo: i store my websites under /srv
08:47<XReaper>nothing important goes under /var
08:48<XReaper>bonjurkes: 627 DAYS?
08:48*encode stores all his important info in /tmp
08:48*XReaper turns off encode's computer
08:49<XReaper>i mount /tmp as a ramdisk
08:49<Spajjie>Can somebody tell me where the Linode documents are to setup apache etc
08:49<mwalling>!library apache
08:49<linbot>mwalling: 1. Ruby on Rails with Apache on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 2. Hosting Websites with Apache - | 3. Deploy Python/Django Applications with Apache and mod_python -
08:49<bonjurkes>XReaper yeah I visited the link that linbot show
08:50<bonjurkes>His server is from 2008
08:50<bonjurkes>he only restarted to witch from 512 to 1536
08:51<XReaper>he must feel sad :P
08:51<XReaper>Whoa... that means the host has been on for over 2 years
08:51<Kegley>I've seen P4 servers up for years at a time :\
08:52<mwalling>XReaper: you're surprised?
08:52<XReaper>Not really... wouldn't there have been updates in that time?
08:53<bonjurkes>LOL I would be surprised if Windows server have 627 days uptime :D
08:54<XReaper>bonjurkes: they reboot automatically
08:55<bonjurkes>after 1 week ?
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08:58<niftylettuce>hey guys -- i want to point my www only at a different IP, this one in particular: ... so here are my existing records, which one(s) should I modify to do this properly without screwing up their mail?
08:59<AlexC_>niftylettuce: Assuming you want the domains A record changing as well as the 'www' subdomain, both '@' and 'www'
08:59<niftylettuce>AlexC_: but that will also modify the MX record for mail
09:00<AlexC_>niftylettuce: eh?
09:00<niftylettuce>AlexC_: since they're using the domain name as the value
09:00<Peng>niftylettuce: So use a different hostname in the MX record value.
09:00<niftylettuce>not sure if this is something weird with their Microsoft Exchange server
09:00<AlexC_>niftylettuce: Change the MX record to then
09:02<Spajjie>What is a good mail daemon to use?
09:02<Spajjie>for multiple domains
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09:02<bonjurkes>spajjie google apps
09:02<Spajjie>I meant from my Rails apps
09:02<AlexC_>Spajjie: Postfix for self-hosted, GA for less headache
09:03<AlexC_>Spajjie: Do you just want outbound email? If so, then simply exim4
09:03<rails>Spajjie: i run rails on my linode
09:03<Spajjie>Rails.. care to help me out a little?
09:03<rails>what os
09:03<Spajjie>My problem is that I'm a little fed up with Site5.. I have OOM's happening hourly across different apps.
09:03<Spajjie>I've got Spree and Refinery apps running
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09:04<rails>tbh i no nothing about them
09:04<Spajjie>But I cannot pin point why because Site5 do not give me access to figure it out
09:04<rails>i can help you get passenger running
09:04<Spajjie>Ok, I've got RugyGems up and running on Ubuntu 10.04
09:04<Spajjie>I'm thinking of trying NGINX and PASSENGER..
09:04<rails>gem install passenger
09:05<rails>passenger-install nginx i think
09:05<rails>passenger-install-nginx i think
09:05<bonjurkes>spajjie nginx is the right choice
09:05<XReaper>rails: repeatfail
09:05<rails>i use nginx
09:05<XReaper>i use nginx
09:05<bonjurkes><3 apache
09:05<rails> is passenger on nginx
09:06<rails>ona linode
09:06<XReaper>it does...
09:07<Spajjie>It's a sample app.
09:07<rails>i havent done anything yet
09:07<AlexC_>It's a trap
09:07<bonjurkes>apache is a trap
09:08<Spajjie>Why is NGINX the right choice?
09:08<niftylettuce>AlexC_: telnet should be able to test it out right?
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09:08<AlexC_>niftylettuce: "test it out"?
09:09<bonjurkes>Spajjie because it sounds cooler than Apache
09:09<AlexC_>niftylettuce: All you need to do is change the MX record for '@' to '' (replacing the domain name), then change the A records for '@' and 'www'
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09:10<XReaper>Spajjie: nginx + passenger seems the right way to use rails
09:10<Spajjie>U're right NGINX sounds more cool
09:10<AlexC_>Apache + mod_passenger here
09:10<Spajjie>Rails.. why type apps do you host?
09:10<rails>its enginex
09:10<rails>Spajjie: my own
09:11<rails>currently an ip control and monitoring panel
09:11<niftylettuce>AlexC_: [(10) []:25: Connection refused]
09:11<AlexC_>niftylettuce: You're assuming port 25
09:12<Spajjie>I'm so far impressed with Linode
09:12<XReaper>Spajjie: it works well
09:12<AlexC_>niftylettuce: fwiw, I can connect to on port 25 just fine
09:12<XReaper>and performs even better
09:12<niftylettuce>AlexC_: what IP does it give you?
09:12<AlexC_>niftylettuce: A different one,
09:13<niftylettuce>AlexC_: I wonder if it propagated in your area and not mine yet
09:13<niftylettuce>AlexC_: with the change for the mail mx record
09:13<niftylettuce>( you suggested )
09:13<AlexC_>niftylettuce: What IP for the A record of are you expecting?
09:15<niftylettuce>and for mail stuff its the 70...
09:15<AlexC_>niftylettuce: Ok, good that is what is serving
09:15<bonjurkes>Spajjie less memory print, more customization options and so on
09:15<bonjurkes>Apache is old style
09:15<bonjurkes>you can still use it as reverse proxy with nginx tho
09:16<XReaper>all this blue nicks
09:16*XReaper retreats
09:16<AlexC_>niftylettuce: `dig A` for example
09:16<bonjurkes>you can check for mx record ip controls and such
09:16<AlexC_>Too much effort, bonjurkes
09:17<niftylettuce>AlexC_: so port 25 is working for now accd'g to your check?
09:17<bonjurkes>AlexC_ if you say so
09:17<Spajjie>Ok, I've been a little spoilt by Site5's Backstage cpanel thing.. If I now want to point one of my sites to Linode.. Do I just addd in in the DNS manager and then update my domain record to point to
09:17<AlexC_>niftylettuce: resolves to for me right now, on which I can connect to port 25
09:18<AlexC_>bonjurkes: Yes, and that site has far less features than my trusty terminal ;)
09:19<AlexC_>Spajjie: You don't have to use Linodes DNS servers, however many do (they are great). But yes, just point your DNS records to your 'node
09:20<niftylettuce>AlexC_: whenever I telnet it keeps `Trying`
09:21<mwalling>sounds like a firewall somewhere is set to DROP the packets
09:21<mwalling>Spajjie: and ns2 and ns3 and ns4 and ns5, etc
09:21<AlexC_>niftylettuce: Right, which is expected - no?
09:23<niftylettuce>AlexC_: lmk if that is what you meant per your setup instructions
09:23<niftylettuce>appreciate the held
09:24<AlexC_>niftylettuce: Right, so why are you expecting connecting to work?
09:24<AlexC_>Their exchange server is on
09:25<AlexC_>Your DNS records are as they should be, right now
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09:35<Spajjie>how is nginx started?
09:35<bonjurkes>service nginx start
09:36<XReaper>on ubuntu 'start nginx'
09:37<Spajjie>Ok, I dont think it's defined as a service, start: Unknown job "nginx"
09:37<AlexC_>Spajjie: How did you install nginx?
09:38<bonjurkes>unknown job? what is your distro?
09:38<Spajjie>Ubuntu 10.04
09:38<Spajjie>I've just gone through NGINX installation etc
09:39<AlexC_>Spajjie: What did the installation involve?
09:41<Spajjie>I followed;
09:41<AlexC_>Spajjie: Did you read the part that says "To start the server for the first time use the following command:"?
09:44<bonjurkes> /etc/init.d/nginx start
09:46<Spajjie>Lol.. My linux is a little more mature than that.. the init.d nginx script isn't there
09:47<niftylettuce>AlexC_: everything works, thx bro
09:48<AlexC_>If you really pronounce 'x' as 'anks', you need help
09:49<Katana>i thought thx had to do with sound
09:51<Spajjie>Can Linode provide more than one IP for SSL's?
09:51<XReaper>SNI works
09:51<XReaper>in most modern browsers
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09:56<kjdotts>How long should a backup snapshot take to fully complete on a linode-512? I enabled the backup service 2.5 hours ago and immediately initiated a snapshot. Now, 2.5 hours later, the status is still "needsPostProcessing".
09:57<dest>kj: my snapshots are generally less than 10-20 minutes
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09:57<dest>my site is fairly small tho
09:58<gerryvdm>slightly OT, but I want to restrict access to a nginx server instance to a certain physical location (office) which has a static IP, but I also want to prevent people connecting through VPN to the office from accessing this specific server, how could I solve this?
10:00<bonjurkes>gerryvdm iptables?
10:00<Peng>The first snapshot probably takes longer.
10:00<Peng>kjdotts: FWIW, that means it's mostly done...
10:01<Peng>Spajjie: SSL is an accepted justification for getting extra IPv4 IPs from Linode.
10:01<Katana>herp derp. usermod -aG > usermod -G
10:01<Katana>Found out the hard way. :v
10:03<kjdotts>Thanks for the info dest & Peng.
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10:06<Peng>kjdotts: I'd give it another half-hour and then file a ticket.
10:09<XReaper>Peng: isn't SSL pretty much the only justification?
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10:09<kjdotts>Peng: I'll do that, thanks for the help.
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10:10<Peng>XReaper: I don't think I've heard of others, but they probably exist.
10:11<XReaper>i just use ipv6...
10:11<XReaper>sif people still use ipv4
10:11<bob2>gerryvdm, give up
10:11<bob2>or use http auth
10:12<gerryvdm>how would http auth help?
10:12<Peng>XReaper: sif people still use TLS libs that don't support SNI
10:12<XReaper>sends passwords in plaintext so the uberleet can fix it for you
10:12<bob2>gerryvdm, by not giving them the password
10:12<XReaper>Peng: when was SNI introduced into IE?
10:13<bob2>ie7+ on vista+
10:13<gerryvdm>well the same user will sometimes be at location and other times on vpn :)
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10:13<XReaper>well since xp is dying soon
10:13<XReaper>sif people still use xp
10:13<bob2>they do
10:14<bonjurkes>One simply can not kill XP !
10:14<Katana>php6 is dead
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10:14<XReaper>arch rolls with php5.4
10:14<gerryvdm>then why do i have on my bookshelf?
10:15<Katana>the php6 branch was torn apart and merged into 5.3, 5.4
10:15<Katana>they basically backported most of the changes into the 5.x lineage. all those books on php6 are useless.
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10:17<bonjurkes>gerryvdm I have Windows ME book on my shelf. Does it mean that it's the future?
10:17<Katana>iirc utf8 stuff is mostly present in php 5.4, namespacing was torn out and introduced into php 5.3
10:17<gerryvdm>wut? Windows Me is a hoax too?
10:17<Katana>traits were put in for 5.4, and bunch of other stuff
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10:17<bob2>except php 5 still has a moronic model for unicode
10:17<bob2>and traits are implemented as copypasta at compile time
10:17<XReaper>Katana: hence why arch runs 5.4 now? :P
10:17<bonjurkes>gerryvdm yeah it never existed
10:18<Katana>I think someone's in denial
10:18<bob2>php picks the worst possible answer to every design question, film at 11
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10:18<XReaper>urmom is in denila
10:18<gerryvdm>bonjurkes: it felt so real, must have been lucid dreams
10:18<Katana>bob2: pretty much. it's a bad solution for the problem.
10:19<Katana>the oop model should be torn apart and redeveloped with multiple inheritance in mind, but eh
10:19<gerryvdm>no it shouldnt
10:19<bonjurkes>gerryvdm I felt same for Windows 2000
10:19<Katana>leave it to them to pick the java-esque solution
10:19<bonjurkes>I need to convert my damn cv to pdf but cant find a good service
10:19<Katana>afaik there's ways to save as pdf in libreoffice
10:20<gerryvdm>didnt Windows Me use multiple inheritance?
10:20<mwalling>are you trolling?
10:20<mwalling>i can't tell
10:20<bonjurkes>Windows ME had ipv6 support
10:21<XReaper>ME failed because they wanted to cash in on the new mellenium
10:21<XReaper>bout as bad as xp rtm
10:21<XReaper>98 SE was the best os
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10:22<bonjurkes>nope 3.1 was best
10:22<XReaper>never used 3.1
10:22<XReaper>windows 8 === 3.1
10:22<XReaper>with fancier shiz
10:22<bob2>are you high
10:22<bonjurkes>dude I need that pdf now
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10:28<mwalling>you're getting a dell!
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10:28<Katana>It's like an ancient chinese curse made modern
10:29<Katana>"MAY YOU LEAD AN INTERESTING LIFE" -- "Here, I bought you a Dell."
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10:32<Nivex>I had a Packard Bell in high school. That was... interesting.
10:32<Nivex>My Dad took to calling it a Packaged Hell
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10:32<bonjurkes>Nivex he is right about it
10:32<nachtkriecher>hello #linode
10:32<nachtkriecher>it's been a while
10:33<bonjurkes>it's been a long time ....
10:33<Katana>been a long time been a long time
10:33<nachtkriecher>urmom's been a long time
10:33<nachtkriecher>i hope she's alright
10:34<bonjurkes>nachtkriecher high as fuck
10:34<nachtkriecher>i had some southern comfort
10:34<nachtkriecher>that's all
10:34<nachtkriecher>i also just installed lighty
10:36<Katana>Oh yeah you're wasted then
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10:36<Katana>Next up, FreeBSD.
10:36<nachtkriecher>link me up, maaaaan
10:37<nachtkriecher>im fine with ubuntu
10:38<nachtkriecher>so how do most people run it
10:38<nachtkriecher>do you actually use /var/www?
10:38<Katana>nachtkriecher: DO IT
10:38<Katana>i use /srv/www
10:38<nachtkriecher>and your development...
10:38<nachtkriecher>do you dev as root?
10:39<Katana>all night long, aww yea
10:39<Katana>seriously though, /srv/www/ :v
10:39<nachtkriecher>i said dev root, not root dev
10:41<nachtkriecher>do you have /srv/www owned by data-www?
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10:41<nachtkriecher>what's the proper way to do this stuff
10:42<Katana>i keep it owned by a non-webserver user unless necessary
10:43<Katana>cache, includes, uploads aren't exposed directly, only the front-end controller
10:43<HEX3H>Quick question, I use CloudFlare as my DNS manager, and I just noticed that my working node "My Better WordPress with WP SuperCache..." has nothing in linode's DNS Manager. Is this OK or am I breaking something ;)
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10:44<Katana>if cloudflare is handling dns for it, why would there be anything in the linode dns manager?
10:44<bonjurkes>HEX3H stay away from CloudFlare
10:44<HEX3H>because frankly I was confused by some of the linode DNS doco on proper setup
10:44<bonjurkes>even though sites are available Cloudflare displays the website is offline message
10:45<bonjurkes>HEX3H you have to use dns manager on your linode panel, not on your server
10:45<HEX3H>I know bonjurkes, I have seen that issue occasionally
10:45<bonjurkes>HEX3H that's why I give up using cloudflare. And it's caching function is pain in the arse
10:45<Avorntur>meh, just host your own nameservers (yay)
10:45<Katana>Buddy of mine constantly is blocked by cloudflare, and he's on a UK ISP. :v
10:45<@caker>HEX3H: 1) Set our nameservers at your registrar, 2) Add the zone into DNS Manager (it even adds some default records for you) <-- what else is left?
10:45<HEX3H>the dns manager on my linode panel is emptty, everything is in cloudflare now
10:45<bonjurkes>WP SuperCache is not so great if you use APC
10:46<bonjurkes>HEX3H so I tell you to switch to linode dns manager not cloudflare
10:46<HEX3H>I've been thinking about it especially since malwarebytes started blocking it
10:46<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:46<bonjurkes>caker make a cake
10:47<XReaper>0.5MB/s is nice internet speed
10:47<HEX3H>thx, that'll make it easier to follow the google apps integration linode doco for my email
10:47<bonjurkes>I was using cloudflare to not pay for dns hosting and didnt want to install dns service on my server so I was using cloudflare. But now Linode offers a good one
10:47<HEX3H>I moved from hostgator vps and found cludflare via w3tc
10:47<bonjurkes>XReaper I have 120kb/s connection at home which is 1mbps
10:48<bonjurkes>cloudflare may show some fancy stats but thats it
10:48<HEX3H>but I bought caching from maxcdn so I don't really need cloudflare anymore
10:48<bonjurkes>HEX3H how much does it cost?
10:48<XReaper>bonjurkes: <3 6Mbit
10:48<HEX3H>I got a special deal like $19 for a tera
10:48<bonjurkes>cool one
10:49<HEX3H>plus it's built into w3tc and can do most of what S3 can for much cheaper :P
10:49<bonjurkes>XReaper damn you dude. I pay $20 for 1 mbps. We all have limited connections here, so if you pass the 25 gb fair usage quota then your speed goes to 0.5 mbps
10:49<XReaper>i get 100/100GB
10:50<bonjurkes>I managed to reach 70 gb with my 1mbps :P
10:50<HEX3H>thx folks I'm off to dump cloudflare then setup google apps, if you like weird videos (NSFW due to content not nudity lol) check out
10:51<swaj>getting ready to move into a new house
10:51<swaj>I'll have 100mbit down/5mbit up
10:51<Avorntur>bonjurkes: heh, I pay 12 eur/month for 30 mbps down, 100 up, no data limit
10:51<bonjurkes>I am going to kill myself soon that's enough guys
10:51<swaj>100mbit down/5mbit up is $60 USD/month :)
10:51<swaj>where I live
10:52<swaj>if I wanna be a cheapo, I can get 30 mbit down, 3 mbit up for like $30 I think
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10:53<swaj>best part is, charter has no limits on transfer
10:53<nachtkriecher>i get 4 gigs a month on my mobile broadband, which is my only source of internet
10:53<nachtkriecher>so i also have to bring it to work
10:53<Avorntur>bonjurkes: does it help that it's a student special thingy, that price?
10:53<swaj>my work internet is actually realy good :)
10:54<swaj>that's the fun part of working for MasterCard in their global processing headquarters :)
10:54<swaj>they have fat pipes
10:54<nachtkriecher>my work actually has good internet
10:54<nachtkriecher>just not when i get contracted out
10:55<nachtkriecher>to where they block any url with "download" in it
10:55<Katana>use own dns server, ???, profit?
10:56<nachtkriecher>easier to just bring my own internet in
10:56<bonjurkes>I host my own internet at home
10:56<nachtkriecher>especially since my work will then take over payment of my own internet
10:56<Avorntur>swaj: I've done a project at an ISP, they had some good speeds there too ;)
10:56<swaj>yeah we have some weird blocks, too. I have to run shellinabox on my linode, because their firewall is really good at killing SSH
10:57<nachtkriecher>they block gmail here, which is our actual work email :P
10:57<swaj>we used to block gmail here
10:57<swaj>but now they just use a man-in-the-middle SSL cert
10:57<swaj>to sniff the traffic
10:57<nachtkriecher>facebook blocked? naah... the workers neeeed that
10:57<nachtkriecher>yeah they do that here with most stuff
10:58<nachtkriecher>thus firefox cant do much without saying "WARNING YOU ARE BEING HAX0RED"
10:58<swaj>yeah facebook and twitter are not blocked here, because marketting uses them.
10:59<Katana>all because a few people can't stay on task, and a few others click anything that ends in ".exe"
10:59<nachtkriecher>i actually dont think it's that
10:59<mwalling>the wiki page for cmd.exe used to be block
10:59<mwalling>stupid pinky
10:59<swaj>the MITM ssl cert for gmail is actually to make sure cardholder data doesn't get out :)
10:59<nachtkriecher>i think it's more that they have certain deals with certain large corporations
10:59<swaj>you wouldn't want jim bob stealing your mastercard :)
10:59<Avorntur>swaj: put a proxy on your linode? :P
10:59<nachtkriecher>i dunno
10:59<nachtkriecher>jim bob's a pretty good guy
10:59<swaj>we have really fancy firewalls that scan everything for card numbers
11:00<nachtkriecher>i'd trust him with my mastercard
11:00<Avorntur>swaj: that's actually... rather reassuring
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11:00<nachtkriecher>how fancy?
11:00<swaj>I can tell you, as an employee, no bullshit. The security here at MasterCard is really, really good.
11:01<swaj>hell, just getting in the building is a process
11:01<Katana>swaj: do you sneer at Amex's web interface? :D
11:01<swaj>lol Amex
11:01<Avorntur>swaj: do they also have good security for physical leaks? people walking out with post-its and stuff?
11:02<swaj>Avorntur: as much as can be expected. They aren't frisking people or anything, but there's a very heavy-enforced clear-desk policy
11:02<swaj>you can't keep papers, computers, or any data on your desk unless you're physically present.
11:03<Avorntur>I approve, mastercard++ ;)
11:03<Katana>so, personal effects okay
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11:03<mwalling>all my cards (except for my BoA atm card) are mastercards
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11:04*Katana has a debit card through his credit union, and that's it
11:05<mwalling>Katana: i have a credit card i use for teh internets and nothing else, a credit card i use for day-to-day, my paypal card, and my debit cards for my checking accounts
11:05<nachtkriecher>i used to have a BoA card
11:05<nachtkriecher>now my bank card is mastercard
11:05<nachtkriecher>since i moved to CBA
11:05<mwalling>(square and paypal are tied to a checking account seperate from my general funds, for obvious reasons)
11:05<mwalling>nachtkriecher: cant be arsed?
11:06<nachtkriecher>i always think of that :)
11:06<nachtkriecher>commonwealth bank of australia
11:06<Katana>Heh...paypal, what a joke -.-
11:06<mwalling>Katana: its a simple way to move money
11:06<nachtkriecher>you guys in america are way behind on the banking front, believe it or not
11:06<nachtkriecher>with your checks
11:06<nachtkriecher>and your bills
11:07<Avorntur>I only use paypal for steam, I pay an american and he gifts me the game, often a lot cheaper than the EU prices...
11:07<mwalling>nachtkriecher: i use USAA, we were the first bank with remote capture... mkay?
11:07<Katana>mwalling: I hate it :(
11:07<mwalling>Katana: sucks to be you
11:07<Katana>mwalling: I wish there was a better alternative than that scam :\
11:07<mwalling>google checkout
11:08<Katana>google checkout's getting better, slowly, but not fast enough :\
11:11<mwalling>uh, its google.
11:15<swaj>I just switched to USAA
11:15<swaj>best bank ever
11:15<swaj>and they give me a mastercard :)
11:16<mwalling>are you an associate or full member?
11:16<swaj>full member through my dad
11:17<swaj>also, for you paypal haters,
11:17<swaj>we're working on it :)
11:17*Katana notes for later
11:17<Katana>swaj: get steam and Humble bundle to accept it, i'll be damn near all set XD
11:18*heckman holds his Galaxy Nexus aginst the screen in hopes it'll work
11:18<swaj>our product will be card agnostic, too
11:21<Katana>urgh. password rules. i hate them.
11:21<Katana>Must be at least 8 characters
11:21<Katana>Cannot be more than 15 characters
11:21<Katana>WHY THE HELL NOT
11:22<XReaper>Is it alphanumeric-only?
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11:24<swaj>I despise the ones with a max-length requirement, or a "no special chars" requirement.
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11:24<swaj>makes me want to punch the developer in the face
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11:24<swaj>because you just KNOW your password is going into a database plain text
11:24<swaj>and they didn't want to bother escaping things..
11:24<swaj>so it's even worse
11:24<Katana>it's like COME ON
11:24<Katana>how fucking HARD is it to hash
11:25<Katana>most languages, that's one goddamn line
11:25<swaj>I especially love the ones with a "forgot password" that just emails you your password.
11:25<Katana>oh no shit
11:26<bonjurkes>my pass is horsebatterylawnmower
11:26<Avorntur>swaj: I remember a company that claimed on the forums the passwords were only stored in hashed form, but when you clicked "forgot password" they mailed it to you plain text
11:26<XReaper>Perihelion: u beat me damnit
11:26<Peng>"Must use a prime number of characters from the Supplemental Multilingual Plane"
11:26<Avorntur>that's worse, not only do they store it in plain text, they also lie about it
11:26<XReaper>Avorntur: lots of sites do that
11:27<XReaper>i hate it when they send me the password i used in the sign up
11:27<swaj>well, for a long time, all they did was md5(password)
11:27<swaj>which for msot cases might as well mean no hash at all
11:28<Avorntur>just to be sure, always include ') drop table user; in your password ;)
11:28<Avorntur>XReaper: indeed, I use bcrypt too
11:28<XReaper>slow as a mofo
11:29<swaj>my current favorite password hashing method is PBKDF2 with like 5,000 iterations.
11:29<XReaper>i betcha it can be hacked
11:29<swaj>it's pretty damn good
11:30<Peng>PBKDF2 predates bcrypt, no?
11:30<Peng>What about scrypt? :D
11:31<swaj>bcrypt is good, no issues, it's just that .NET doesn't do it natively, and most of the open source libs for it suck
11:31<swaj>PBKDF2 is supported out of the box in .NET, and it's more than adequate
11:31<XReaper>ew .net
11:31<Avorntur>swaj: they do? I had no issues with it last time I used it
11:31<XReaper> <-- best site
11:32<swaj>Avorntur: yeah if you read some of the history there, a few of them had flaws that went unaddressed for a long time, and there isn't really a "good" implementation that I've found, so I just avoid it.
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11:32<wrf>so awesome, it's just a loading bar
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11:33<XReaper>i know ey
11:33<Avorntur>swaj: hmm, good point, I think I'll switch to pbkdf2 next time I work with c#
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11:36<Katana>horsehorsecorrectstaple, Perihelion.
11:36<Katana>what now, i use repetition randomly
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11:37<swaj>Avorntur: StackExchange (the stack overflow guys) have an open source HashLib based on pbkdf2, and it works quite well. Uses the built-in .NET stuff.
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12:09<staticsafe>[SECURITY] [DSA 2469-1] linux-2.6 security update just got this in my inbox
12:10<Katana>people still run linux-2.6
12:10<bonjurkes>I like the clear command
12:10<bonjurkes>it works everywhere
12:11<Katana>alias clear="echo 'nope'" # (:
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12:20<tizzo>were there networking problems in newark a couple of hours ago?
12:20<tizzo>looks like our proxy server couldn't find the php backends for a bit but we can't find anything that was wrong or changed on any of the servers and they came back all by them selves
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13:01<nviror>How should a I start from converting a c program to php?
13:01<CaptObviousman>very carefully?
13:01*Katana opens door to bomb shelter, begins moving supplies in
13:02<nviror>I just want the php program to work, anyway
13:02*CaptObviousman dives into bomb shelter just after Katana's loaded the last of the supplies but before he's in himself
13:02*CaptObviousman locks the door behind him
13:02*Katana detonates C$
13:02<CaptObviousman>that stuff
13:02<Avorntur>swaj: open source, which license?
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13:02<Katana>Die a horrible lonely supply-ridden death.
13:02*avenj idly wonders what kind of C app is useful as a PHP app
13:02<Avorntur>swaj: because my own projects are bsd/mit, so they require a compatible license :P
13:03*CaptObviousman munches on instabacon happily. SURE THING
13:03*Peng blows up Katana's $s
13:03<CaptObviousman>avenj: don't look into the face of mandness and expect to come out safely
13:04<Katana>CaptObviousman: btw, it's a lottery. half the food is poisoned with various things, and a few foodstuffs here and there contain the antidotes :D
13:04<CaptObviousman>you can't retconn like that
13:04<avenj>CaptObviousman: I'm immune from enough years of #linode, sir
13:04<Katana>that would be a good way to mess with someone's head
13:04<CaptObviousman>you wouldn't pile supplies into a bomb shelter for yourself like that
13:04<Peng>CaptObviousman: It's a trap, in case someone robs my bomb shelter.
13:04<Katana>Don't worry, the antidote to the black plague is in the cheesecake.
13:05*CaptObviousman sticks with the instabacon
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13:05<arooni-mobile>hey folks; want to do a fresh install of ubuntu 12.04... iand i'm also wondering if worth encrypting the whole drive as opposed to just /home
13:05<Katana>salmonella it is, eh
13:05<CaptObviousman>hehe, there's a warehouse near our normal Colorado vacation spot labelled "Salmoa Meat Company"
13:05<Katana>arooni-mobile: if things go wrong, things go very wrong
13:06<CaptObviousman>I've often wondered who the hell sources their meat from that place
13:06*GLaDOSDan facepalm
13:06<CaptObviousman>arooni-mobile: I've done WDE on several different machines with no problems. But then I make sure never to forget the passwords
13:06<Spajjie>Can somebody tell me how to get NGINX to listen to a servername, i.e.
13:07<Spajjie>I've set me server name but it defaults back to the normal "Welcome to NGINX" splash page
13:08<CaptObviousman>arooni-mobile: of note, I've never done it with Ubuntu, just Slackware and OS X
13:08*Katana feeds rnowak solidifies coffee
13:08<Katana>damn i can't typetoday
13:08<CaptObviousman>GLaDOSDan: having read your link I'm rather disgusted
13:08<GLaDOSDan>"Adobe has released Adobe Photoshop CS6 (paid upgrade), which addresses these vulnerabilities"
13:08<GLaDOSDan>like really? cmon
13:09<Spajjie>RNOWAK.. I've set it exactly to what I'm looking for
13:09<Katana>GLaDOSDan: and if you buy now, you'll get a FREE virus scanner!
13:09<Spajjie>but yet it doesn't invoke passenger
13:09<rnowak>so you've got something else configured wrong
13:10<Katana>GLaDOSDan: But WAIT, there's more! if you call within the next 10 minutes, we'll ship you a refurbished printer, free of charge!
13:10<Spajjie>server {
13:10<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
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13:10<CaptObviousman>Spajjie: noooooooo
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13:10<Spajjie>Done something wrong?
13:10<CaptObviousman>we're like antibodies to the site of an infection
13:11<GLaDOSDan>Someone should make linbot auto !p when someone says "server {"
13:11<Katana>We thought you were about to paste your entire config file
13:11<CaptObviousman>!to Spajjie p
13:11<linbot>Spajjie: Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
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13:11<Spajjie>LOL Ok I understand
13:11<linbot>Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here:
13:11<rnowak>!alias add pb p
13:11<linbot>rnowak: The operation succeeded.
13:11<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
13:11<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
13:11<CaptObviousman>that !to command is handy as hell
13:12<Spajjie>Is that server config correct?
13:12<rnowak>you should maybe give us the link to the paste
13:12*CaptObviousman is amused
13:13<rnowak>... where are you expecting us to see your server configuration?
13:13<CaptObviousman>I see you're unfamiliar with pastebins
13:13<rnowak>You need to go to the link that linbot gave you, paste it there, and then give us the link to the paste
13:13<CaptObviousman>you paste something longish to it. You click "Go". It creates a page. You then copy the url of the page and paste it into the channel
13:13<CaptObviousman>end result, we get to see your longish whatever without it spamming the channel
13:14<linbot>New news from forums: Dovecot configuration to work with MySQL and Postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
13:15<CaptObviousman>rails_env is almost always "production"
13:15<CaptObviousman>try commenting out and see what it does
13:16<rnowak>you need to specify the passenger_root and passenger_ruby
13:16<CaptObviousman>oh right that
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13:16<rnowak>passenger_base_uri may also be applicable, maybe.
13:16<CaptObviousman>which goes in the master nginx.conf and not in the sites-enabled/<whatever.conf> file
13:16<Spajjie>Shouldm't nginx and passenger come back complaining?
13:16<rnowak>you also most definitely want to set passenger_max_pool_size to something sane
13:16<CaptObviousman>also, make sure that you are calling the proper nginx
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13:17<rnowak>I'm paranoid like that, I run nginx with passenger compiled in behind another that reverse proxies
13:17<CaptObviousman>if you use the passenger automagical install script, it creates a new binary in /opt/nginx/sbin/nginx which is what you should be calling, not the original one
13:17<Spajjie>Passenger root and ruby have been stored in the HTTP section
13:18<CaptObviousman>what's the result of "which nginx"
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13:18<Spajjie>"/usr/sbin / nginx"
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13:19<CaptObviousman>unless they changed the automagical script in the past two months, that's the wrong binary
13:19<CaptObviousman>if you do a nginx -t you will see it bitch about your passenger settings
13:19<CaptObviousman>however, if you do an /opt/nginx/sbin/nginx -t it will not bitch because that's the proper one
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13:19<rnowak>if it is using that configuration file
13:20*CaptObviousman is making many assumptions here
13:20<rnowak>you will need to retrace the instructions you followed to get where you are and figure out where the nginx binary with passenger compiled in is
13:20<Spajjie>No bitch on "/usr/sbin / nginx"
13:20<AlexC_>Spajjie: *with* the spaces?
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13:21<Spajjie>No spaces
13:21<Spajjie>IRC doesn't allow me to type that command in normall
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13:21<Spajjie>"the configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf syntax is ok"
13:21<Spajjie>"configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test is successful"
13:22<rnowak>you will need to retrace the instructions you followed to get where you are and figure out where the nginx binary with passenger compiled in is
13:22<Spajjie>that's with NGINX being at
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13:22<CaptObviousman>is there an echo in here?
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13:22<CaptObviousman>btw if you start your line with "/ " you don't have to surround with quotes
13:22<lgriffin3>can someone please help me with a MySQL issue?
13:22<retro|blah>He's using the java irc client though
13:22<AlexC_>lgriffin3: You'll first have to explain the issue
13:23<CaptObviousman>!to lgriffin3 ask
13:23<linbot>lgriffin3: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
13:23<dcraig>when do y'all turn off servers for nonpayment? the afternoon?
13:24<lgriffin3>I have MySQL database setup on my linode account and I have created the tables. I am not able to connect to via php. Not sure why...
13:24<AlexC_>Pay and you wont have to find out, dcraig :P
13:24<hawk>It's always afternoon somewhere, I suppose
13:24<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Why aren't you able to connect to it?
13:25<lgriffin3>"localhost", "myusername", "mypassword"); it will not recognize the connection
13:26<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Recognize? What error are you getting?
13:26<dcraig>AlexC_, I wonder if there's a mechanism where I can make a payment on behalf of someone else!
13:26<lgriffin3>I am not getting an error at all
13:26<lgriffin3>nothing displays on the browser window
13:26<AlexC_>lgriffin3: - read this
13:27<lgriffin3>OK...give me a sec
13:27<AlexC_>dcraig: You can pay for mine, if you want?
13:28<AlexC_>lgriffin3: There is also examples on that show what you need to do
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13:29<lgriffin3>great, thanks AlexC
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13:35<Katana>mysql_ functions why
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13:35<Katana>they're deprec!
13:35<linbot>Point (0.19795384, 0.82637372) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 111440 of 141453 (π ≈ 3.151294069408213 - 0.009701415818420). http://π
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13:36<Katana>mwalling: quit splitting the net
13:37<Spajjie>You're right about NGINX pointing incorrectly. it's using definition in /etc/nginx and not /opt/nginx
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13:38<lgriffin3>I ran the example on and I don't get an error or anything....just a blank screen
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13:38<Spajjie>How do I fix it?
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13:38<wrf>heh this channel has the biggest amount of vHosts i've ever seen...
13:39<randallman>vhosts? :P
13:39<randallman>vanity? :P
13:39<lgriffin3>AlexC what do I do now?
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13:39<greggypoo>time for my regularly scheduled whinge about fremont HE going awol
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13:39<greggypoo>though you know, maybe it's actually not a problem at HE for once
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13:39<Katana>vhosts? no.
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13:40<EugeneKay>Fairly sure my disconnection just now was due to my srewing-about with my ZNC machine.
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13:40<Katana>EugeneKay: there was a netsplit just now
13:40<randallman>EugeneKay: no, many of us just died :)
13:40<EugeneKay>Ah. Must be a coincidence then
13:40<rnowak>RIP randallman
13:40<AlexC_>lgriffin3: What do you mean?
13:40*EugeneKay goes back to screwing up his ZNC
13:40<Katana>wrf: RDNS. GET SOME.
13:40<lgriffin3>mysql_connect does't give me any errors and also doesn't work...
13:40<lgriffin3>nothing showed up
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13:41<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Did you read and as I suggested?
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13:41<lgriffin3>yes and I ran their examples
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13:41<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Pastebin the code you're using
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13:41<wrf>Katana: i do
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13:41<wrf>ipv6 rdns :D
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13:42<Katana>awww yeah
13:42<Katana>like a boss
13:42<lgriffin3>$con = mysql_connect("localhost", "myusername", "mypassword"); if (!$con) { die('Could not connect: ' . mysql_error()); } echo 'Connected successfully'; mysql_close($con);
13:43<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Please use a pastebin in future, e.g. Anyway, what does that code result in?
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13:43<lgriffin3>sorry, new to irc
13:43<lgriffin3>it results in a blank screen
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13:43<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Pastebin the entire file you're editing, please
13:43<rnowak>check the error log
13:44<rnowak>if there's nothing, enable error reporting in php
13:44<lgriffin3>how do i use Pastebin?
13:44<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Paste the code there, then paste the URL in here
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13:46<lgriffin3>sorry, I don't know how to get to Pastebin
13:46<lgriffin3>but here is the url
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13:46<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
13:46<AlexC_>lgriffin3: If you're referring to the username + password; read the dialog, it tells you ;)
13:47<lgriffin3>no, how do I get to Pastebin?
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13:48<rnowak>!to lgriffin3 p
13:48<linbot>lgriffin3: Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
13:48<rnowak>do you see that link?
13:49<lgriffin3>yes, I see that link
13:49<rnowak>yes, you go to that page
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13:49<seanh-ansca>what's the max number of concurrent connections on a nodebal?
13:50<seanh-ansca>5k per port?
13:50<Peng>seanh-ansca: 10,000 now.
13:50<Peng>seanh-ansca: Err, I dunno about "per port".
13:51<seanh-ansca>Peng: i remembered it being 5k, but i added another port recently and now my graphs show 10k
13:51<Peng>seanh-ansca: It was changed a few days ago.
13:51<lgriffin3>OK, I have put the code in Pastebin
13:51<linbot>Peng: NodeBalancer Concurrent Connections <> || Ubuntu 12.04 LTS – Precise Pangolin <> || CentOS 6.2, Fedora 16, openSUSE 12.1, and Gentoo <> || Events RSS Feed, Emails, and Profile Protection (2 more messages)
13:51*seanh-ansca reads
13:51<rnowak>lgriffin3: paste the link to the paste here
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13:52<AlexC_>lgriffin3: At the top of the file (after <?php) and the following: error_reporting(E_ALL); ini_set('display_errors', TRUE);
13:52<AlexC_>Best done in your php.ini, but this'll do for now
13:53<lgriffin3>ok, let me try that
13:55<lgriffin3>now I get an error
13:55<lgriffin3>it says Fatal error: Call to undefined function mysql_connect() in /home/lgriffin3/public/ on line 5
13:56<AlexC_>lgriffin3: Ok, so you don't have the 'mysql' PHP extension enabled. What distro are you using?
13:56<lgriffin3>5.1 I believe
13:56<AlexC_>5.1? Of what?
13:57<lgriffin3>oh you mean linode
13:57<mwalling>no, what distro of linux
13:57<mwalling>ubuntu, debian, genpoo would be correct answers
13:57<rnowak>itym ewwbuntu
13:57<AlexC_>Ubuntu 5.1?
13:58<AlexC_>lgriffin3: I'm going to guess and say do the following: sudo apt-get install php5-mysql && sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
13:59<Katana>pew pew pew pew pew pew pew
13:59<lgriffin3>sorry. was trying to verify
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13:59<lgriffin3>ok, let me try that
13:59<Peng>Katana: pew?
13:59<Katana>Peng: the sound of someone msising the point
13:59<Katana>*missing GOD DAMN I CAN'T TYPE TODAY
14:00*CaptObviousman points and laughs at Katana
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14:00<rnowak>Katana: that's wooooooosh
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14:00<lgriffin3>wait AlexC
14:00<lgriffin3>I already ran those commands
14:01<lgriffin3>If I run that again, won't it whip out my database?
14:01<AlexC_>lgriffin3: No, that will install various PHP extension to connect to MySQL databases, and then restart Apache
14:01<CaptObviousman>Katana used glare. It was ineffective!
14:02<lgriffin3>I will run them again
14:02<lgriffin3>hold on
14:02<Katana>Peng: I see what you did there on the topic from hell.
14:02*CaptObviousman laughs along with GLaDOSDan
14:02<Peng>Katana: :)
14:02<GLaDOSDan>That guy must be good
14:03<GLaDOSDan>He has 24 years experience in a language that isn't even 24 years old yet
14:03<Peng>Katana: Topic from hell, eh? Remember the Tor thread?
14:03<Katana>Peng: I approve, though I've got images stashed that'd work better than the chibi figurine
14:03<Peng>Maybe he's a time traveler.
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14:03<Katana>Peng: oh lord yes i do why
14:03<Peng>Katana: I dunno, after the Tor thread, this one just doesn't impress me that much. It's just stupid, not crazy.
14:04<Katana>Peng: It's an idiot rollercoaster
14:04*Katana slings at Peng
14:06<wrf>ugh.. i have 13 domains now.. now i need to buy another so i'm not unlucky ;p
14:06<Peng>Katana: Ah... I want chocolate-covered ice cream now.
14:06<lgriffin3>AlexC you are a life saver!!!!
14:06<lgriffin3>Thank you so much for your help. I am connected now
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14:07<EugeneKay>Terrible website idea: Repository of not-crappy StackScripts.
14:07<Peng>Katana: Also I
14:07*CaptObviousman thought Linodes were neuter
14:08<CaptObviousman>maybe I should check that mine aren't breeding when I'm not looking
14:08<EugeneKay>You clearly missed the discussion yesterday about Linode 64s
14:08<Katana>CaptObviousman: oh god
14:08<Katana>now you have bills for baby vps's
14:08<CaptObviousman>WHY DO THEY COST SO DAMN MUCH
14:09<Katana>just wait until they can run their first webserver
14:09<CaptObviousman>not until they're at least 18
14:09<Katana>t-they grow up so fast... ;_;
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14:09<Katana>CaptObviousman: i said webserver, not redis-powered porn site
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14:10<CaptObviousman>look, if the little one wants to server porn when I'm not looking, then fine
14:10<CaptObviousman>I'm not going to police everything it does
14:10<CaptObviousman>but I will pull out the "I am VERY disappointed in you!" followed by a stern look
14:10<Katana>And maybe a firewalling for a few weeks?
14:10<CaptObviousman>if need be
14:11<Katana>It's a wonder that #linode doesn't end up on more often
14:11<wrf>guess you'll have to use to be politically correct
14:11<staticsafe>I blame rnowak
14:11<Katana>the discussions here can are quite amusing
14:11*staticsafe hides
14:11<Katana>staticsafe: don't blame mowak
14:11<CaptObviousman>stuff in here ends up on noobfarm sometimes
14:12<Katana>"can are"
14:12<Katana>why am i doing this
14:12*CaptObviousman offers to break Katana's fingers
14:12<rnowak>Katana: did you bump your head today?
14:12<Peng>Katana: #linode does wind up on
14:12<Katana>yes, rnowak.
14:12<Peng>Oh goodie, contact lens time.
14:13<Katana>bashed it on a wall actually, waking up
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14:14<staticsafe>dear god, that rewrite looks like emacs had some bad chili and barfed all over nginx
14:15<rnowak>I run my webservers on emacs
14:15<Katana>s/emacs/emacs and perl/
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14:38<staticsafe>CaptObviousman: where are most of these quotes from? :o
14:38<CaptObviousman>context! I doesn't shares it!
14:38<CaptObviousman>actually I don't even know what your'e talking about so
14:38<CaptObviousman>technically neither are you
14:39<Peng>CaptObviousman: You're at the top of
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14:39<CaptObviousman>oh, some of these are from private channels, a fair number from here or ##
14:39<CaptObviousman>I think some of the ubuntu and redhat channels picked up on it and started submitting
14:40<CaptObviousman>and apparently co-workers of mine too
14:40*CaptObviousman should be more careful with what he shares in the future
14:41<Peng>No, you should be less careful.
14:41<Peng>Also, I recommend alcohol.
14:41<Peng>And a webcam.
14:41<mwalling>quote 18.
14:44<CaptObviousman>I think my favorite though is this one:
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14:46<CaptObviousman>not really
14:47<CaptObviousman>unless you work in a monastary or nunnery
14:47<wrf>i created the interwebs
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14:54<Katana>and i deleted them
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15:11<Katana>We know his secret, now
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15:18*CaptObviousman dies a little inside every time he sees vodka [] has quit
15:18<CaptObviousman>NOOOOOOOO vodka come back!
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15:19<rum>did someone need a drink
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15:20*CaptObviousman cries
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15:22*Katana hands CaptObviousman an alcohol-free beer
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15:23*CaptObviousman hurls it at Katana
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15:24*Katana flees
15:25<CaptObviousman>now that's what I'm talking about
15:25<Katana>CaptObviousman: We need to talk to you about something
15:25<Katana>it's time for an intervention
15:25<rnowak>please have a seat CaptObviousman
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15:26*CaptObviousman will stand, thanks
15:26<Katana>...Have a seat.
15:26<rnowak>we can do this the easy way or the hard way, it is up to you
15:27<Katana>Strap him down, i'll burn the moonshine stash
15:27<Katana>right in front of him
15:27<CaptObviousman>there's a whupee cushion on my seat
15:27<Peng>I need a drink. I let my tea steep too long. :(
15:27<rnowak>I'm currently having a most delicious espresso, ya'll be jelly
15:27<Katana>CaptObviousman: that's a stuffed cushion
15:27<Katana>CaptObviousman: you're so hammered you can't tell there's stuffing in it
15:27<rnowak>we've got a restraining jacket for you to go with it
15:28<Peng>...Hmm, not actually that bad.
15:28<avenj>I just pounded back like three rock star energy drinks. you can keep the espresso
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15:28<CaptObviousman>fine I'll take a seat, sheesh
15:28<beer>is this a bad time?
15:29<CaptObviousman>NO NOT AT ALL
15:30<CaptObviousman>how is that nick not registered?
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15:32<CaptObviousman>ok wow irssi is seriously screwed up somehow
15:32*CaptObviousman will be right back
15:32<rnowak>ok he's gone, bring out the booze, party like it's 1995
15:32<ShoeMan>Newbie to the community
15:32<Katana>ShoeMan: what community
15:33<avenj>whichever one has the booze
15:33<ShoeMan>:) of your fine folk
15:33<Katana> a community? i thought it was a nerd con
15:33<rnowak>this isn't a community, this is a group therapy... group
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15:34<ShoeMan>I need help.
15:34<ShoeMan>I am attempting to setup my SSL certificate and am running into an issue where my apache2 service will not restart.
15:34*Katana lays out a bear trap for CaptObviousman
15:34<ShoeMan>can anyone help me?
15:34<rnowak>a) setup is not a verb, b) what issues are those?
15:34<Katana>ShoeMan: error logs, check them.
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15:36<rnowak>ok he's back, act like nothing folks
15:36*CaptObviousman hates so much
15:36-!-CaptObviousman is now known as beer
15:36-!-Katana is now known as Skynet
15:36<beer>I'm totally ganking this
15:37<beer>I think I did this wrong
15:37-!-beer is now known as CaptObviousman
15:38<CaptObviousman>why is this so hard
15:38-!-CaptObviousman is now known as beer
15:39<beer>ah because oftc nickserc doesn't allow you to add nicks onto a pre-existing account
15:39<beer>kind of silly
15:40<rnowak>you need to register it and then link it
15:41<beer>what's the difference between link and enslave?
15:41<beer>ah, I see
15:42-!-beer is now known as CaptObviousman
15:42<rnowak> /msg nickserv help enslave /msg nickserv help link
15:42<CaptObviousman>did that, learned
15:44<Skynet><CaptObviousman> why is this so hard
15:44<Skynet>is what she said.
15:45<CaptObviousman>hah my utf-8 is set properly now
15:45*CaptObviousman had like a 2-year-old screen session with the lang settings wrong
15:46-!-Skynet is now known as Katana
15:47<Katana>why am i so proud of that catch
15:47<CaptObviousman>of what catch?
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15:50<Katana>that zinger
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16:12<joshua->hi Perihelion :3
16:15<KyleXY>Perihelion: stop being idle for 2 minutes! ♥
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16:17<joshua->Perihelion is mine D:<
16:17<joshua->no touchy
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16:19<@Perihelion>Oh man, I'm property now?
16:19<@Perihelion>I'm moving on up
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16:19<TheFirst>back to work slave!
16:19*TheFirst cracks the whip
16:21<Katana>Oh, so Barcelona has an anti-trolling law now?
16:23<joshua->Perihelion im gonna move in with you and work at linode :v
16:24<Katana>i heard Perihelion is abusive to roomies
16:24<@Perihelion>When are you applying D:
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16:25<joshua->Perihelion: probably after this semester :P
16:26<joshua->after june 15
16:27<joshua->Katana: Perihelion is not abusive D:
16:29<joshua->only in the bedroom
16:30<Katana>she gonna kill you
16:30<Katana>also, huzzah, i like this new push script :3
16:31<joshua->sounds illegal
16:31<Katana>outlawed in ten states
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16:36<joshua->the script or Perihelion?
16:37<Katana>Heads, script. Tails, Perihelion.
16:37<linbot>Katana: heads
16:37<Katana>The script, then.
16:37<Katana>(Peri just lucked out)
16:37<joshua->i feel naughty for buying a 1 year reserved m1.small heavy util ec2 instance
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16:38<joshua->it was so cheap
16:39<Matth1a3>so I set up my virtual host with apache and everything...but when I go to my IP it just shows the 'It worked' default apache index.html - how do i navigate to the folder to test that the site works before redirecting DNS
16:40<Peng>Matth1a3: Edit your hosts file on your PC
16:40<joshua->after that 1 year i might just get a 512 node here instead
16:40<joshua->probably cheaper
16:41<joshua->ill have a 768 and 512 then!
16:41<Matth1a3>Peng: ah thanks. weird. i don't quite follow what that changes. when my browser sends a get request - the server's response is dependant on the sender's hosts files?
16:41<joshua->then i can be all like.. yeah i have two virtual servers at linode, wanna date?
16:41<Katana>joshua-: could always hike up your skirt on the side of the street to pay for the instance further
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16:42<Kyh>Matth1a3: no, it depends on it sending a HOST header (or similar, I forget exactly) that has the domain name in it
16:42<Kyh>Matth1a3: which happens when you type in "" in the browser URL bar. That gets sent to your webserver and it serves up the files
16:42<joshua->the biggest mistake with AWS that people make is they think it's feasible for personal use
16:43<joshua->while it can be, there are other providers that do more for much less
16:43<joshua->like linode
16:44<Matth1a3>Kyh: any idea how I could curl the url without having to change my hosts file? i'm just curious
16:44<Kyh>Matth1a3: "man curl"
16:44<joshua->man Perihelion
16:44<Kyh>I think curl lets you set headers, etc.
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16:44<Kyh>joshua-: permission denied
16:45<Matth1a3>Kyh: ok i'll check it out - thank you
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16:46<rizla>hello :)
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16:48<Katana>joshua-: Good luck with that one
16:48<Katana>women coming with manpages? That'll be the day.
16:48*Katana ducks
16:49<joshua->we can only wish.
16:49<Peng>:O .xxx
16:50<joshua->or how about a .conf file with strict rulesets, automations and such?
16:50<rizla>Peng: ?
16:50<Peng>rizla: .xxx domains are rare and valuable. Thus, :O
16:51<rizla>Ah, thanks i guess
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16:51<CaptObviousman>man woman
16:51<CaptObviousman>WHY U NO HAVE MANUAL?!?
16:51<Kripos>So, if it works here, the vhost, does anyone know why it doesnt work on efnet?
16:51<Kripos>Maybe its the server i am using?
16:52<Kripos>i've been going about this for hours, then i realize its efnets server that it doesnt work with xD
16:54<staticsafe>maybe efnet turned off reverse dns resolution?
16:54<Katana>efnet is like the short bus of irc
16:55<Kripos>yea i just changed servers, and now it worked
16:55<Kripos>i feel so stupid for not discovering this before
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17:28<Kyhwana>ahaha, the linode hacked thread has descened into image macros
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17:29*Katana bows to Kyhwana
17:29<Peng>Kyhwana: More like ascended.
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17:34<linbot>New news from forums: Forum registration pwd sent to me in PLAIN TEXT! Nooo... in General Discussion <>
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17:38<Katana>fun fact: phpbb2's hashing is lolworthy
17:38<Katana>^ as i've just taken the liberty of pointing out
17:40<chesty>it's a forum password, if you don't use a unique random password, suffer
17:40<Katana>i like some of the csrf openings phpbb2 had too
17:41<Katana>wheee, ninja-lock/delete of random threaaaaads
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17:48<Kura>hey guys how I can I install postgis on my server?
17:48<Kura>how can I*
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17:49<Kyhwana>whats postgis?
17:49<Kyhwana>(try apt-get install postgis)
17:49<HoopyCat>Kura: apt-get install postgis
17:49<Solver>I was going to ask what distro Kyhwana uses,but you guys seem to know :)
17:49<Solver>and yes it is in debian
17:50<HoopyCat>Solver: a 75/25 shot :-)
17:50<Solver>HoopyCat: :)
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17:50<Kura>lol dang it I didn't think I could apt-get it. Thanks guys
17:51<Katana>Peng: GO PENG GO
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17:54<Peng>Uh-oh, one of the staff are on General Discussion. :X
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17:55<Kyhwana>Peng: ?
17:55<Katana>vummm vum
17:55<Katana>vummmmm vum
17:55<Katana><dramatic music link here>
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17:56<chesty>what's a good gnome-do like app that doesn't use mono?
17:56<chesty>for gnome3
17:56<Katana>I know of no such. :(
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17:59<Katana>chesty: Cinnamon's menu search is supposed to be faster than gnome3's menu search, but it's nowhere near as good as gnome3 was
17:59<Katana>err, gnome-do was
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18:09<swaj>I'm pleasantly suprised at how well this FBSD VM is doing on KVM with the VirtIO ports installed
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18:11<chesty>Katana: what's the hotkey for menu search?
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18:16<Peng>Katana: Seen The Thread in the last 10 minutes?
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18:19<chesty>one does not simply, criticise linode
18:21<HoopyCat>did i post yet?
18:22<Peng>HoopyCat: Please go back in time and ensure the answer to that will remained "no".
18:22<HoopyCat>i can't recall, it's been a long thread
18:22<Kyhwana>No, but it needs a macro
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18:54<Peng>It's been quiet for half an hour.
18:56<Peng>I meant the forum, not the channel.
18:56<Peng>Though it applies to both.
18:57<Peng>Scumbag Peng uses pronoun, doesn't specify subject?
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18:57<rnowak>pretty assholey if you ask me
18:58*Perihelion slaps rnowak around a bit with a large cactus
18:58<thorrr>Is there a switch that i can do when importing a DB to ignore case
18:59<Peng>Eek, it's 18:59 LDT? I thought it was 17:59. :X
19:00<thorrr>i'm aware of lower_case_table_names. however i would rather just have it ignore for the import as i have the structure in a seperate sql file with the correct case
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19:20<HoopyCat>thorrr: hrm. well, in some situations (i.e. where each table has its own file on the filesystem), it simply cannot ignore case. i'd be inclined to believe ignoring case isn't something they've put the effort into. your best bet would be to either use lower case across the board, or fix whatever isn't cased properly
19:21<thorrr>perhaps is i import the structure, turn on lower_case, import then turn it off
19:21<thorrr>this db is rather large and its taking quite some time to search and replace in vi
19:22<HoopyCat>and this is why we use lower-case all the time :-)
19:23<thorrr>Now that i know this i will indeed do that
19:24<HoopyCat>i'd probably load the schema with the "incorrect" table names, load the data, then rename the tables to the "correct" names (somehow)
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19:37<swaj>wow the ports system in freebsd kicks ass
19:37<SirSquidness>swaj: make sure to use portmaster. It makes them even better :3
19:38<SirSquidness>(I hope you appreciate that pun)
19:39<swaj>I'll check that out
19:39<swaj>I was using portaudit and portupgrade
19:39<swaj>but portmaster looks kinda neat
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19:40<Katana>chesty: Super is the hotkey, just wait for it to appear, then type. :\
19:41<chesty>Katana: cheers
19:41<swaj>Linode needs FreeBSD support that doesn't need crazy pv_grub hackery
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19:42<HoopyCat>i expect it ought to be doable with a stackscript
19:42<Katana>FreeBSD needs Linode support that doesn't need crazy pv_grub hackery
19:43<swaj>FreeBSD runs on Xen
19:44<kbr>oh reary
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19:47<Katana>freebsd runs on drugs
19:48<Solver>LSD, BSD... notice the similarities!
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19:49<StevenK>Solver: They both came from Berkeley, too.
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19:51<Katana>both products of...SCIENCE
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19:52<Solver>ban science! burn the heretic!
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20:17<EugeneKay>PHP is a hell of a drug.
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20:18<Peng>No, just hell. ;-)
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20:19<Peng>(Bad joke, but I had to, you know?)
20:20<BrainHurts>hi all,
20:22*Katana passes EugeneKay a few more files for him to get high on
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20:22<Katana>aww yee
20:22<justanotherrpg>hi all, just wondering if someone could please give me a bit of a hand?
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20:23<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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20:24<justanotherrpg>I'm going through the Getting Started guide, and I'm confused about the "Update /etc/hosts" part. Is it referring to the hosts file on MY pc, or the linode server?
20:24<EugeneKay>On your Linode
20:24<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: the linode
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20:26<justanotherrpg>I'm new to command line control... how do I edit a file using putty, or mac's terminal? do I type in some command and the hosts file opens in my mac? or do I edit the linode's HOST file using commands?
20:27<EugeneKay>`nano /path/to/file` in your SSH session
20:27<EugeneKay>It opens the editor on the remote computer
20:27<EugeneKay>If you know vi/vim you can use that instead, but nano is more newb-friendly.
20:27<justanotherrpg>thanks, I'll give that a go!
20:28<justanotherrpg>crack open the bubbly, it worked! thanks again, I'm sure I'll be back shortly
20:30<EugeneKay>We'll be here.
20:30<Katana>Unless my plan succeeds, and I enslave your souls for all eternity!
20:30<Katana>but that's a long shot still.
20:30<staticsafe>wow this is bad, im on page 23 on noobfarm >.>
20:30<Katana>staticsafe: i was the same way when i found xkcdb
20:32<Kura>hey guys quick question. I'm trying to get postgis working with pgadmin, but I can't seem to find the share folder of the postgresql. I'm using "sudo find / -name 'share' -type d" but it only shows /usr/local/share and /usr/share
20:32<Kura>How do I know if the postgresql share directory even exists
20:32<justanotherrpg>should the " localhost.localdomain localhost" remain untouced/edited? Or does it need changes too?
20:32<Kyhwana>Why do you need the "share folder" of postgres?
20:32<Katana>justanotherrpg: leave it, just add to it
20:33<Kura>postgis sql files are "installed" there
20:34<Katana>what is postgis
20:35<Kyhwana>mmm, buzzwordy
20:36<Kyhwana>Kura: if it doesn't exist, make it? I assume you have to tell something where you put some files, somehow
20:37<justanotherrpg>Stoopid question #12 : Can I host multiple domains/websites on my linode server? ie and
20:38<Katana>yes, but good luck getting those domains :D
20:38<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: Yes. That's called virtualhosting
20:39<Kura>I thought postgresql installation was supposed to make it...
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20:39<justanotherrpg>how does one save the hosts file using nano? does WriteOut == save? or do u save on exit?
20:40<Kyhwana>write out == save
20:40<Peng>When you exit an unsaved file, nano prompts you to save it.
20:41<justanotherrpg>permission denied! I'll log back in as root and try again (currently logged in as another user)
20:41<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: "sudo nano /path/to/file"
20:41<Peng>EDITOR=nano sudoedit /some/file
20:41<Peng>That too.
20:42<Kyhwana>sudo executes whatever you put after it as root, by default. (Enter your current users password)
20:42<justanotherrpg>I'll try that
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20:45<justanotherrpg>ahhh, root, how I missed you. Save now works (I'd already logged out so I didnt try sudo)
20:46<Tormin>you didn't just su?
20:47<HoopyCat>su su sudio
20:47<justanotherrpg>it's best not to ask ME questions, I've no idea what I'm doing!
20:48<Katana>HoopyCat: odd coincidence, neither do I!
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20:54<justanotherrpg>goodnes... how does one paste text into nano? ctrl+v seems to be next page...
20:54<Katana>what terminal are you using
20:54<justanotherrpg>(having said that, I recall which came first)
20:54<justanotherrpg>mac terminal
20:54<HoopyCat>justanotherrpg: how did you copy it? if it was with your mouse, it'd depend on your terminal emulator
20:54<justanotherrpg>I gave up on putty
20:55<Katana>mac, i have no idea. gnome terminal, it's ctrl+shift+v
20:55<HoopyCat>justanotherrpg: nod, using putty when you aren't on windows is like... like... i dunno, taking sand to the beach, or marijuana into canada
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20:55<Katana>staticsafe: :v
20:55<Katana>HoopyCat: no, taking a wrench to an auto shop
20:56<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: however you copy/paste stuff on the mac terminal
20:56<justanotherrpg>i was on windows when using putty, gave up, and switched to my mac
20:56<justanotherrpg>sadly, I'm new to macs, too :)
20:56<Katana>putty defaults to...right click iirc
20:56<HoopyCat>Katana: you've never taken a 10-year-old hybrid car to the corner mechanic, have you? :-)
20:56<justanotherrpg>right click? haha, you so funny
20:57<Katana>HoopyCat: there's 10 year old hybrids?
20:57<Katana>justanotherrpg: dead serious.
20:57<HoopyCat>Katana: yeah man, it's 2012 now
20:57<Katana>HoopyCat: I hate you
20:57<Katana>HoopyCat: Stop making me feel old
20:57<Kyhwana>It's 2012 now, macs only have 0 mouse buttons
20:58<Katana>justanotherrpg: i personally switched it so that it pastes on middle click - too easy to paste with right click ::
20:58<Katana>end up flooding channels like these with 80 lines of code
20:58<Katana>and you have people screaming "!p", "!p! for the love of god!"
20:58<HoopyCat>Pasting 80 lines to #linode. Press Ctrl-K if you wish to do this or Ctrl-C to cancel.
20:59<rnowak>except when it doesn't ask
20:59*HoopyCat watches everyone mash ctrl-c instinctively
20:59<Katana>HoopyCat: do it twice; it'll just do it anyways
20:59<Peng>00:59:30 Aliases:
20:59<Peng>00:59:30 CRAP server purge
20:59<justanotherrpg>I don't want you to think I'm depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.. but I don't have a mouse for my mac :) just using touchpad.
21:00<HoopyCat>justanotherrpg: that is, as far as UI stuff is concerned, a mouse
21:01<justanotherrpg>my touchpad doesn't know about right click :)
21:01<justanotherrpg>I'll work it out.. no way I'm typing all those firewall rules out
21:01<HoopyCat>Katana: kabutomushi is a 2002 prius, with ~160,000 miles. still alive and well, modulo rust :-)
21:01<Katana>my cr48 is the same style of can right click :|
21:02<Katana>ctrl+click = rclick
21:02<HoopyCat>justanotherrpg: do macs still have a menu bar? try also shift+insert
21:04<Katana>what did we win
21:04<Katana>california? because if so the other side can have that back
21:06<SnakeO>I have a 2048 bit CSR and a 256bit SSL cert.. is there such thing as a 2048bit SSL cert?
21:06<justanotherrpg>we won another round of pain and silly questions
21:06<Kyhwana>SnakeO: you mean RSA/DH key? sure
21:07<Katana>HoopyCat: bash seems to be a good solution to boredom
21:07<SnakeO>Kyhwana: many SSL certs are listed as 256bit.. why would one need a 2048bit?
21:07<Kyhwana>SnakeO: uh, depends exactly what it's talking about.
21:08<Kyhwana>No way should you have a private/public key pair that's only 256bit
21:08<Kyhwana>I bet I could crack that on a few GPUs
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21:09<Kyhwana>If it's talking about symmetric cipher strength then sure, 256bit is great
21:09<SnakeO>the csr is generated on 2048 bit
21:09<Kyhwana>(assuming it's AES)
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21:09<SnakeO>but the thing you paste the csr into... the cert itself... is 256 bit
21:09<SnakeO>is that secure?
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21:10<Kyhwana>SnakeO: uh
21:10<SnakeO>Kyhwana: cool I think that's it. Now, is there such thing as 2048bit symmetric cipher strength? and is it reasonable ot use it?
21:11<Kyhwana>Yes, you want to use 2048> assymetric (RSA or DH. I don't know if anyone uses ECDSA certs yet?) algorithm strength.
21:11<SnakeO>woooow i have a lot to leanr
21:11<SnakeO>is 256bit symmetric better than 2048bit asymmetric?
21:12<HoopyCat>oh man, i step away from my desk for a second and we get all crypto up in here
21:12<Kyhwana>SnakeO: they're different things
21:12<Kyhwana>HoopyCat: have a handy link to a crypto beginners guide handy?
21:13<SnakeO>god i'd gasm all over it
21:13<SnakeO>please send
21:13<rnowak>2048 bit RSA key is roughly equivalent to 112 bit symmetric, strength wise
21:14<justanotherrpg>my root password is 3 chars, is that a problem? technically it's 2, as there's a double in there :)
21:14<justanotherrpg>(jokes, ofc)
21:14<HoopyCat>so here's what happens with SSL/TLS: first, the asymmetric (aka public-key) crypto is used, allowing the client to verify the server's authenticity (and vice versa). these are the keys that are signed by some sort of authority.
21:14<rnowak>it was probably going to be fine until you told us about it, justanotherrpg
21:14*Solver uses 2048bit RSA for SSH now
21:15*SnakeO is listening to HoopyCat
21:15<HoopyCat>once that's set, the client and server agree on symmetric (aka... well, symmetric) crypto, and a key is generated to secure further communications. why? because public key crypto is SLOW AS BALLS
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21:15<Katana>but strong, yes
21:15<justanotherrpg>Take a deep breath everyone, I'm up to "hosting a website"
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21:15<rnowak>modern CPUs even have the cute AES-NI instruction set, making AES supah dupah fast
21:16*HoopyCat hits the wrong button
21:16<Katana>there's a reason it's slow - it's made to be calc'd slowly
21:16<SnakeO>HoopyCat: ok so symmetric keys... what is the ceiling on them (in real life scenarios)
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21:17<Kyhwana>SnakeO: read
21:17<HoopyCat>so, when you're using a 2048-bit RSA key for ssh, you're "just" using that to secure the initial part of it and verify authenticity of the other side. once that's set, you switch to a much faster algorithm using a session key
21:17<rnowak>the symmetric key can be, and is often, replaced during the session
21:18<Kyhwana>You probably don't need 2048bit RSA to protect a single ssh session
21:18<Kyhwana>I think it defaults to 768?
21:18<HoopyCat>SnakeO: like, how many bits long? for AES, which is Plenty Good Enough (tm), keys are either 128, 192, or 256 bits
21:18<Katana>rnowak: for protecting against replay attacks, right?
21:18<rnowak>Katana: among other things, si
21:18<HoopyCat>and yes, the session key can (and should) be replaced often
21:19<rnowak>asymmetric ECC keys can be much shorter than say RSA, providing far greater strength with shorter bitness
21:19<Yaakov>I use 1Pb Triple DES.
21:19<HoopyCat>Yaakov :-)
21:20<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I don't want to take any chances.
21:20<Yaakov>I also regenerate keys at 7-second intervals.
21:20<rnowak>7? I'd make it at tops 3
21:21<Yaakov>And, I have all my network cables unplugged, and the connectors cut off and locked in a bank vault, which I have welded shut, and exploded.
21:21<GLaDOSDan>So, I'm tunneling my browsing over an SSH tunnel via Putty, but the linode I'm tunneling through has a number of IPv4 addresses (let's say, and so on for now). I want to use as the soruce address for my browsing, but it's using - how can I specify what address to use as the source?
21:21<HoopyCat>rnowak: indeed, one finds ECC quite often in NSA Suite B stuff
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21:22<justanotherrpg>Yaakov - if you REALLY want no data accessible on your servers, let me administor them
21:22<rnowak>I bet you'd administor it real good
21:23<Yaakov>I use erase-before-write to write-only memory, and keep the power off.
21:23<Kyhwana>GLaDOSDan: do you want all of your non-ssh-tunnel traffic to use "" as well?
21:23<rnowak>are your thoughts shielded, Yaakov?
21:23<Yaakov>I purposely have no thoughts in order to foil attempts at accessing them.
21:23<EugeneKay>GLaDOSDan - stop using SSH and use OpenVPN instead with an iptables SNAT rule.
21:24<justanotherrpg>perhaps that's their plan...
21:24<HoopyCat>SnakeO: for a tangible look at key lengths for one algorithm: "AES with 128-bit keys provides adequate protection for classified information up to the SECRET level." ... "AES with 256-bit keys ... [is] required to protect classified information at the TOP SECRET level." --
21:24<Kyhwana>GLaDOSDan: or do what EugeneKay said
21:24<rnowak>is there a super duper top secret level?
21:25<EugeneKay>There's three.
21:25<EugeneKay>None of which you know about
21:25<HoopyCat>rnowak: "Another suite of NSA cryptography, Suite A, contains some classified algorithms that will not be released. Suite A will be used for the protection of some categories of especially sensitive information."
21:25<rnowak>Well then, that's a shame
21:25<Katana>that stuff would be black, likely
21:25<Yaakov>HoopyCat: I moved my office from the ultra-modern building with the clean room to here:
21:26<Katana>but we know it ain't used for the drones! :D
21:26<Yaakov>HoopyCat: It has some advantages, but I do miss the new building too.
21:26<EugeneKay>I <3 Olde Time buildings
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21:26<GLaDOSDan>Kyhwana: No, I want it to continue using (what the system currently selects as the source for outbound)
21:26<rnowak>I wish our building wasn't modern, I'd prefer an office in an old building like that :(
21:27<GLaDOSDan>EugeneKay: If that was a possibility, I would. I already do on my desktop though
21:27<HoopyCat>Yaakov: better bike parking than my building, it looks like
21:27<Katana>nice amount of windows there Yaakov.
21:27<Katana>perfect to snipe
21:27<Kyhwana>GLaDOSDan: don't think you can do that with a SSH tunnel. (that I know of that's easy)
21:27<EugeneKay>GLaDOSDan - I believe that the selection of the "source" address for SSH tunnel forwards like that depends on what the ssh client is bound to.
21:27<EugeneKay>You could probably manage it with some iptables or ip route magic, but it eludes me now
21:27<EugeneKay>ip rule, maybe?
21:27<Yaakov>This is the modern building:
21:28<Kyhwana>GLaDOSDan: unless you setup a proxy and proxy everything out a certain source address
21:28<Katana>Yaakov: yeah, that's meh
21:28<GLaDOSDan>Proxy works, know of anything good that'll do client->proxy SSL?
21:28<justanotherrpg>question : I'm logged in as root, and running this command as per the Hosting a Website guide; "Set your home directory to be readable and accessible to all users on the system by entering the following command:
21:28<justanotherrpg>sudo chmod a+rx ~". Is this ok as root?
21:28<rnowak>our center of chemistry is super modern inside with no charm what so ever
21:29<rnowak>sad times
21:29<Kyhwana>hmm, whats the time before linode deletes a node/profile for non-payment?
21:29<GLaDOSDan>Katana: See above where I said I can't in this scenario
21:29<Yaakov>This is the lobby, in panorama:
21:29<EugeneKay>Kyhwana - IIRC it's ~45 DAYS
21:29<EugeneKay>-caps lock
21:29<Katana>GLaDOSDan: traffic sniffing?
21:29<EugeneKay>Kyhwana - there was a forum thread on it a few days ago, caker outlined the process
21:29<Katana>EugeneKay: heh, that topic
21:29<rnowak>Yaakov: that looks pretty nice
21:29<HoopyCat>justanotherrpg: i wouldn't do it as root (since that'll change root's home directory, usually /root, which you ought not need to). but, you can do chmod a+rx ~someusername to change someusername's home dir
21:29<GLaDOSDan>Katana: Unless I'm able to openvpn over an openvpn connection to two different servers, it isn't a possibility
21:30<GLaDOSDan>i tried and it didn't really like it
21:30<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: that makes your root directory world readable/writable. You probably don't want that
21:30<EugeneKay>GLaDOSDan - nothing within openvpn stopping you from doing that. :-p
21:30<Yaakov>rnowak: It is, and this is in there:
21:30<EugeneKay>Ya rly
21:30<rnowak>Yaakov: oh, nice!
21:30<EugeneKay>The key is to ignore the redirect-gateway def1 stuff sent by the VPN server and use your own on the client
21:30<GLaDOSDan>Well I've got the one connection running at the moment, as soon as I fired up the one to my linode it connected but didn't actually do anything
21:31<Yaakov>But, the move will be good, in the end.
21:31<GLaDOSDan>by that I mean I used my browser and it didn't go through linode
21:32<EugeneKay>Hi, Katana's cat.
21:32<Kyhwana>Woah, dogs can type now?
21:32*Katana deports dachshund from vicinity of keyboard
21:33<Katana>Kyhwana: laptop's on a wooden platform on my bed. it's in dachshund range.
21:33<Peng>Pics of a...wooden table?
21:33<EugeneKay>No, the dachsund
21:33<Katana>hmm, i have one somewhar
21:34<Katana>that's as good as i can get
21:34<Katana>my tremor makes photos blurry as shit
21:35<GLaDOSDan>EugeneKay: What do I do with redirect-gateway def1
21:35<rnowak>I think you need a bat to the head to fix that issue
21:35<Katana>rnowak: Not funny
21:36<EugeneKay>GLaDOSDan - for the "inner" OpenVPN link you would need to delete your --pull entry(which is implied by --client) and then put in the equivalent routes to emulate def1 behaviour, but with a /2 netmask instead of a /1
21:38<GLaDOSDan>alright, I'll have a play
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21:45<justanotherrpg>question : should my apache error log path be "/home/user_name/public/" or "/user_name/public/etcetc" (ie does it need "/home/" at the start?)
21:46<rnowak>websites shouldn't be located in your user directory
21:46<Kyhwana>Someone still hasn't fixed that user guide?
21:46<justanotherrpg>my bad, I must've misread the guide
21:46<rnowak>unfortunately you havn't
21:47<rnowak> /srv/www is an excellent place for websites
21:47<justanotherrpg>sounds like a solid plan
21:47<rnowak> /srv/www/ /srv/www/
21:47<Kyhwana>We need a "ignore the guide" thing
21:47<Katana>The Guide
21:50<HoopyCat>avoid sticking logs (and other potentially private things) under your document root, as well... if has /srv/www/ as its root, don't put the logs in /srv/www/
21:50<Katana>personally, just keep them way the hell away from one another
21:50<rnowak>using /srv/www/ as docroot is super silly
21:50<@heckman>/srv/www/ and /srv/www/ are how I do it
21:51<Katana>they can go into /var/log/ too, just separate them out
21:51<HoopyCat>otherwise will contain an itemized list of everyone who visited your site :-)
21:51<Katana>different files
21:51<dcraig>the underscore in public_html always gives me the creeps
21:51<dcraig>and web content isn't necessarily all HTML files, so it seems outdated
21:51<rnowak>htdocs > public_html because it doesn't have an underscore
21:51<Katana>dcraig: o________________________________________________________________________________________o
21:51<rnowak>o _o
21:52<Kyhwana>I put my logs in /var/logs/nginx/ :P
21:52<dcraig>quit creeping me out katana!
21:52-!-Katana is now known as Katana__
21:52<Katana__>dcraig: problem?
21:52<rnowak>oh hey, nice tail you've got there
21:52<Katana__>rnowak: rawr
21:52<dcraig>the #1 cause of downtime on my little irc network is now expired credit cards :/
21:52*Katana__ stares at dcraig
21:53<rnowak>OH GOD
21:53-!-Katana__ is now known as Katana
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21:53<rnowak>thanks for reminding me dcraig, need to change the cc over at amazon, or no d3 for me
21:53<justanotherrpg>so instead of "Create a folder to hold your website by entering the following command: mkdir public" I should "mkdir /svr/www"
21:53*Katana locks out rnowak;s account
21:53<avenj>pfft, what kind of loser uses irc
21:53-!-Katana is now known as Guest239
21:53<Guest239>oh come on
21:53<dcraig>some folks are nostalgic for the old days
21:54<rnowak>justanotherrpg: srv, and you can do mkdir -p /srv/www/ replace htdocs with whatever you actually use for your document root
21:54-!-Guest239 is now known as katana
21:54-!-katana is now known as Katana
21:54<Katana>lil fucker
21:54<justanotherrpg>what is the -p switch?
21:54<dcraig>I bet it creates other directories along the way
21:54<rnowak>man mkdir
21:54<Kyhwana>justanotherrpg: "man <command you're about to run"
21:55<Katana>that was a good one too. akerl, you've gone too far.
21:55<rnowak>what did he do?
21:56<Katana>he nuked the !( factoid
21:56<Katana>I BET IT WAS HIM
21:56<rnowak>what did it say?
21:56<Katana>Just that link
21:57<rnowak>oh, ok (
21:57<dcraig>good, now we have spare )'s
21:57<Kyhwana>Yep, that's why I laid down a few extra
21:57<rnowak>yeah that's [ great
21:57<Katana>damnit rnowak
21:58<rnowak>sorry :{
21:58<justanotherrpg>i've gone with "public_html". Twas a brave decision
21:58<avenj>-> the crowd boos
21:58<retro|blah>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
21:58<Katana>it's okay i got « this guys
21:59<rnowak>what about unmatched "
21:59<dcraig>it's never "brave" to accept mediocrity and the status quo
21:59<retro|blah>You got much less than what?
21:59<Katana>that's a double <<
22:00<justanotherrpg>but mediocrity is a step ahead for me
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22:02<Katana>you missed one
22:02<dcraig>my keyboard is apparently missing several buttons :(
22:03<HoopyCat>dcraig: mine's missing meta, super, command, and propeller.
22:03<Katana>mine has an extra backslash
22:03<dcraig>can I count this windows key as either meta or super?!
22:04<Katana>windows key = super iirc
22:04<rnowak>because windows is super
22:04<dcraig>then can the useless key that brings up the context menu be my meta key??
22:04*HoopyCat presses SUPER key
22:04<@Praefectus>apparently my keyboard is missing more keys than your guys..
22:05<Katana>Praefectus is winner.
22:05<dcraig>I like the air vents
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22:05<@Praefectus>well when you type as fast as i do, you need em
22:05<Katana>i have a laptop with a retarded keyboard
22:06<Katana>a canadian bilingual keyboard
22:06<staticsafe>Katana: oh god those
22:06<@Praefectus>Katana: so what's that? "eh" and "french"?
22:06<Katana>Praefectus: EXTRA USELESS KEYS
22:06<HoopyCat>Katana: POUTINE where Esc is, and the shift keys are labelled DOUBLE?
22:06<justanotherrpg>in apache settings, would the DocumentRoot now be "/srv/www/" or "/srv/www/"?
22:06<Katana>also easier-to-get-to backslash
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22:06<dcraig>justanotherrpg, probably the second one
22:06<Katana>HoopyCat: they're just "^"
22:07<Katana>(up arrow)
22:07<Katana>backspace and enter aren't labeled, they just have arrows
22:07<dcraig>the enter key better not be shaped like a reverse L!
22:08<Katana>it is.
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22:08<dcraig>and do you have a tiny backspace key?
22:09*Katana grabs phone
22:09<dcraig>those are the worst
22:09<rnowak>you're french katana?!
22:09<justanotherrpg>that's a bit personal, isn't it?
22:09<staticsafe>i love how the WASD keys on my keyboard are faded
22:10<staticsafe>from wear and tear
22:10<rnowak>more like rage because you're bad
22:10<justanotherrpg>all my keys are faded by tears
22:10<Katana>rnowak: no
22:10<rnowak>are you sure Katana?
22:10<retro|blah>I loev it too. And by loev you mean haet.
22:10<retro|blah>Fuck. s/you/I
22:10<rnowak>Fuck I?
22:11<rnowak>that's how an enter key is supposed to look (:
22:11<dcraig>omg... do you need pinky finger extensions to reach that enter key and the left shift key?
22:12<justanotherrpg>that layout is improper
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22:12<StevenK>Looks UK to me
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22:12<Katana>i have to move my left hand a bit to reach lshift, and enter I just aim for that indent
22:13<Katana>backspace, eh. more often I just ^W that shit
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22:13<rnowak>enter is made to be smashed
22:14*Katana hugs push script
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22:14<staticsafe>Katana: indeed the script is quite nice
22:15<Katana>i hooked it up to a keyboard hotkey even, though i need to change some of the params
22:15<Katana>think imma have it do jpeg screenshots from now on
22:18<linbot>New news from forums: Problems installing packages in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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22:18<Katana>oh good lord
22:18<Katana>he's thinking EVERYTHING is on apt?
22:19<retro|blah>It's not? (:
22:19<Katana>urmom won't fit in apt
22:20<linbot>Katana: Yo mommas so blind, she dated mikegrb and thought it was Ben Affleck! (736:21/1) [murom]
22:20*Katana snickers
22:20*staticsafe hugs mikegrb
22:21<auraka>woah woah.....NO TOUCHING!
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22:22<KyleXY>bad staticsafe
22:22<swaj>man why did I ever switch to Linux.... <3 FreeBSD
22:23<auraka>swaj: shut your mouth
22:23<rnowak>linux sucks
22:23<auraka>rnowak: urmom sucks
22:23<Katana>i use lunix i left linux a long time ago
22:23<auraka>Katana: a.k.a arch?
22:23<HoopyCat>because OS doesn't matter, as long as it's not windows
22:23<rnowak>I use kolibrios
22:23<auraka>HoopyCat: which is why I run OSX....I'm a unique snowflake!
22:24<justanotherrpg>all bow down - I've served up my first LAMP webpage!
22:24<rnowak>is that a page about lamps?
22:24<justanotherrpg>AND I learnt how to copy and paste using my mac
22:24<rnowak>imagine how easy that would've been if you had a right click
22:24<retro|blah>Well done
22:25<justanotherrpg>that guide needs to be taken outside and shot, though
22:25<auraka>rnowak: macs do have right click.....must be some swedish things because you are all so leftist
22:25<Katana>i'm out of ammo
22:25<rnowak>auraka: nop
22:25<auraka>justanotherrpg: write a new one and educate the world
22:25<retro|blah>Two-finger press on touchpad
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22:26<swaj>I should just install PC-BSD and leave this Linux shit for the birds
22:26<auraka>retro|blah: or....just set up right click on the touchpad
22:26<rnowak>swaj: msdos man
22:26<auraka>swaj: install'll bring you to back in the day like freebsd
22:27<swaj>in all seriousness, though, I do <3 FreeBSD's ports system. I wish something like that existed for Linux (and no, Gentoo does NOT count)
22:27<rnowak>freebsd includes cryptographic tools, won't be anything like arch
22:27<@Praefectus>sill swaj, y u include gentoo in linux
22:27<Katana>would be nice if i ever could INSTALL freebsd
22:27<Katana>freebsd? boom.
22:28<rnowak>your laptop sure is weird Katana
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22:28<HoopyCat>if we're lucky, the snarks will stay away until we reach shallow water
22:28<swaj>Katana: I have FreeBSD running in a KVM-based VM (proxmox host) with VirtIO :)
22:28<swaj>omg who wants a shell!??!?
22:28<Katana>rnowak: hey now, opensuse's installers hate me too
22:29<rnowak>swaj: !!!
22:29<HoopyCat>i have linux running on an AMD-based PC (rectangular prism) with cooling vents
22:29<Katana>(freebsd simply bluescreens, opensuse's installer flat out segfaults)
22:29<justanotherrpg>ok all, I need to go and celebrate. Thank you all for your help!
22:29<staticsafe>justanotherrpg: cheers!
22:29<swaj>Katana: wtf machine is that? I think it's PEBCAK
22:30<swaj>true story: I installed NetBSD in a VM, and then deleted it within 5 minutes.
22:30<Katana>freebsd didn't make it through the installer in the vm
22:30<Katana>it decided to seppuku
22:30<swaj>what platform?
22:30<HoopyCat>does your cpu have fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt?
22:30<staticsafe>FreeBSD works fine in my vbox VM
22:31<swaj>FreeBSD works great on vobx and KVM I know... probably even openVZ, although I feel like I might have to kill myself if I actually use the openvz features in proxmox :P
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22:31<chesty>openvz? really?
22:31<HoopyCat>swaj: hrm, probably not openvz.
22:32<Katana>HoopyCat: All I have is fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm xsave lahf_lm dts
22:32<swaj>oh man hoopy... you're tempting me.....
22:32<swaj>MUST..... RESIST
22:32<HoopyCat>swaj: so freebsd works under linux now?
22:32<swaj>it's working under KVM with the VirtIO modules in FBSD 9
22:32<swaj>quite well actually
22:32<rnowak>swaj: it uses its own kernel in kvm, in openvz it wouldn't
22:33<HoopyCat>Katana: might be able to get by with a fpu vme de tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts aperfmperf pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl est tm2 ssse3 xtpr pdcm movbe lahf_lm dts
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22:33<HoopyCat>wait is this the same CPU
22:33<CaptObviousman>it might be
22:34<Katana>model name: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4200 @ 2.00GHz
22:34<HoopyCat>Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz
22:34<HoopyCat>so yeah
22:34<Kyhwana>HoopyCat: ha ha
22:34<CaptObviousman>exactly the same
22:34<CaptObviousman>WHAT A COINCIDENCE
22:34<HoopyCat>pretty much identical. yours is square and has metal fins on it?
22:35<chesty>i thought intel only made one of those?
22:35<rnowak>what, you get metal fins on yours?!
22:35<rnowak>thug life CPU
22:35<HoopyCat>rnowak: nod, got mine before they switched to rubber heatsinks
22:36<Katana>i need to vacuum mine out sometime
22:36*rnowak blink
22:36<chesty>don't do that, you need the heatsink
22:36<Katana>my laptop's gone months without a cleaning
22:36<Katana>chesty: PSH NAW
22:36<rnowak>I can't even open mine, it requires some sort of black magic to open
22:37<dcraig>if you take out the battery, you can probably just put it through the dishwasher and let it dry
22:37<chesty>i replaced the fan in my macbook, now i can run debian again. yay.
22:37<swaj>model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3930K CPU @ 3.20GHz
22:37<Katana>i couldn't afford anything better :(
22:37<HoopyCat>afk, rubber heat sink needs new batteries
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22:39<swaj>I wonder how fast I could do a linux kernel build with this puppy
22:39<swaj>with make -j24 or whatever
22:39<swaj>(12 logical cores)
22:39<Kyhwana>swaj: what puppy?
22:40<Katana>his dog, a beagle
22:40<rnowak>swaj: got a new server? you seem frilly, which is to be expected when that happens
22:40<swaj>my 6-core gaming rig :)
22:40<swaj>rnowak: well, sort of :)
22:40*Solver had 24 cores on a 6 node OpenSSI box once
22:40<Kyhwana>swaj: pfft
22:40<Solver>yeah I did make -j25
22:40<Solver>-j needs to be larger than the # of cores
22:40<swaj>rnowak: built this gaming rig with a 6-core in it, and my old i7 920 is doing VM duty now :)
22:41<Solver>opinions differ on how much larger
22:41<rnowak>swaj: hehe, nice
22:41*Kyhwana tries linux-3.3.0 out on the Xeon E5 box
22:41<Kyhwana>well, building it
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22:41<Katana>hmm...what about serena--oh damn it
22:41<Katana>the lan light is out on it again
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22:42<Solver>iirc I current I use: export MAKEOPTS=-j$(($(grep -c ^processor /proc/cpuinfo) + 1))
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22:42<Kyhwana>stupid xorg chewing one of my two cores
22:43<rnowak>probably not xorg doing it, but something that it is doing work for
22:43<rnowak>poor xorg, always gets blamed
22:43<swaj>chrome is a sweet browser, but it's a dirty whore with resources
22:43<chesty>sweet sweet bowser
22:44<Kyhwana>chesty: probably chrome
22:44<rnowak>swaj: what CPU did you get? one of the "extreme" series i7?
22:44<Kyhwana>Sounds like sandybridge E?
22:44<chesty>extreme? where do they go to from there?
22:44<JshWright>I had to uninstall Chrome for Android from my phone. 60MB is way too much space for an application (that can't be moved to the SD card)
22:44<chesty>extremely ultimate
22:45<swaj>rnowak: Core I7-3930K -- it's a Sandy Bridge-E
22:45<Kyhwana>Except of course, ivy bridge is out now and is faster per core, SNBE is only useful if you have something that'll max out all 6/12 C/T's.
22:45<EugeneKay>And to think I limp along with an i7-870
22:45<swaj>actually Ivy Bridge isn't, honestly :)
22:45<Katana>and to think i limp along with a dual-core
22:45<swaj>and my mobo supports Ivy Bridge-E
22:46<@Praefectus>and to think i limp along with a quad core from 2008
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22:46<rnowak>my little xeons are getting a bit old now -- will soon be my new vm host ):
22:46<Katana>okay, beat this:
22:46<Katana>model name : AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3200+
22:46<Katana>aww yeah
22:46<Katana>that's the desktop :D
22:46<EugeneKay>Shiyet son
22:46<EugeneKay>That's antique
22:46<Katana>it acts as my home vpn node
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22:47<Kyhwana>real4m0.807s user98m53.739s sys8m51.337s on linux-3.3 with default config (on ubuntu 12.04)
22:47<swaj>let me give this linux mint VM all 12 cores and see what it does :P
22:48<Kyhwana>on 12 cores of Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz (32T)
22:48<Katana>swaj: mint & cinnamon or gtfo
22:48<swaj>it's LMDE with Mate
22:49<Kyhwana>sorry, that's 16 cores, rather
22:49<swaj>what -j num?
22:50<Kyhwana>man, I remember when building a kernel would take like, 6 hours
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22:50<Katana>we need to make things more complex so it takes longer
22:50<swaj>downloading 3.3.5 :P
22:50<Katana>so we have excuses for needing to slack off when compiling
22:50<GLaDOSDan>is the internal network between linodes in the same dc also capped at 50mbit by default?
22:50<rnowak>add some performance loops
22:50<swaj>GLaDOSDan: the actual interface is capped, so yes
22:50<GLaDOSDan>ah ok
22:51<rnowak>for(i=0;i<100000000000;i++); a bit here and there
22:51<swaj>man I remember with the bzip'ed kernel source was only like 20 MB
22:51<swaj>it's damn big now :(
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22:51<Katana>git clone the repo on github
22:51<Katana>sit back and wait
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22:52<swaj>they don't host it on github do they? somebody just mirrored it there I bet
22:52<Katana>torvalds mirrored it onto github
22:52<rnowak>torvaldos, terrorist, together with bunzi buddy and amd
22:53<Katana>he put it up there after got lolpwned
22:54<swaj>I should move this VM to my solid state to make it faster.... :)
22:54<Kyhwana>swaj: hmm, building on a 80GB intel 320 here
22:54<swaj>yeah I've got a Corsair Force GT 240GB
22:55<Kyhwana>Tho it's got 32GB of RAM, so I guess it gets decompressed into disk cache anyway
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22:55<swaj>yeah 16 GB here
22:56<auraka>i want an ivybridge laptop
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22:56<rnowak>seen the upcoming asus zenbook prime with nvidia gpu?
22:56<rnowak>pretty hawt
22:57<Kyhwana>Me too, tho probably just a dual core one, 11" or so..
22:57<Kyhwana>Will probably wait for lenovo to do something
22:57<rnowak>swedish, deal with it
22:58<Katana>will it be hawt when you run things on it
22:58<auraka>rnowak: no...I'm not a big fan of asus
22:58<Katana>or will it cope
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22:58<rnowak>1920x1080 resolution display, mmm
22:58<Katana>or will it sound like a jet taking off
22:58<rnowak>their current one is alright in the heat dept
22:58<swaj>lol CPU pegged, all 12 cores
22:58<swaj>let's see how it goes :)
22:58<Kyhwana>oohh, that looks good
22:59<Kyhwana>swaj: hmm, 3.3.5 took 4m1.402s ;)
22:59<rnowak>I wish they'd make these ultrabooks with 8 GB RAM
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22:59<swaj>what did you do, just make menuconfig and then make?
23:00<chesty>make love
23:01<Katana>make food
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23:01<swaj>I did make -j13 to see what it would do, and all 12 cores are pegged, lol
23:01<Kyhwana>swaj: yep
23:01<Katana>not fail
23:01<Katana>just obedience :3
23:01<chesty>Katana: you were supposed to say not war
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23:02<Katana>chesty: combo breaker'd your ass.
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23:03*Kyhwana tries it in a ram disk
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23:04<swaj>this is the first time I've even really tried to peg this CPU
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23:04<Katana>Kyhwana: omnomnom
23:08<Kyhwana>heh, 3m53.699s on the ram disk
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23:10<XReaper>i used to make my 1st gen i7 hit 110c :D
23:10<XReaper>stock cooler... :/
23:10*staticsafe slaps XReaper around a bit with a large trout
23:11<XReaper>Now it only hits 60C on my noctua
23:11<swaj>silly LD taking forever :P
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23:12<swaj>real 13m26.265s
23:12<swaj>user 99m25.089s
23:12<swaj>sys 9m14.855s
23:12<XReaper>Might get my laptop some new ram and a fat ssd...
23:12<swaj>on a VM, on a crappy hard drive :)
23:12<XReaper>i'd build in ram
23:12<swaj>I don't even feel like looking up the crap to make a ramdisk
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23:13<Kyhwana>mount -t tmpfs -o size=12G,mode=0777 tmpfs /ram
23:13<swaj>alright, 1 sec :P
23:13<swaj>need to increase RAM for this VM
23:13<Kunda>what's a cheap registrar that is descent ?
23:14<Kunda>just buying 1 or 2 domains
23:14<swaj> seems to be pretty good
23:14<swaj>or (my preference)
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23:14<Kunda>cool, know any promo codes ?
23:14<EugeneKay>I'm a fan of
23:15<XReaper>i use dynadot...
23:16<Peng><- (which is apparently the same as
23:16<Kunda>thanks fellas
23:16<EugeneKay>Same company; net has less PNGs.
23:16<Peng>That covered the most common registrars used here.
23:16<Peng>Aside from The Registrar Who Must Not Be Named.
23:19<@Praefectus>WILD WILD WEST
23:19<EugeneKay>Wiki Wiki Wild
23:19<auraka>Kunda:,,,,,, take your pic
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23:19<XReaper>Dynadot is pretty good. even their dns doesn't suck.
23:19<EugeneKay>Namecheap is an Enom reseller; gandi is French.
23:20*Kunda takes note
23:20<@Praefectus>i use a wildwestdomains reseller
23:20<swaj>so my wife turns around and says "what are you doing?"
23:20<EugeneKay>I can't speak for the rest but I can tell you Name supports IPv6 glue and DNSSEC(at least on .org domains)
23:20<swaj>I said "running some tests"
23:20<auraka>Praefectus: why do you hate elephants and support SOPA
23:20<@Praefectus>for probly 10 years or more now
23:20<swaj>"oh what?" she asks
23:20<swaj>"Oh I'm just beating the shit out of my processor to see what it can do"
23:20<@Praefectus>auraka: shut your face, ive never used godaddy
23:20<auraka>EugeneKay: except they don't support deleting records through the panel
23:20<swaj>"oh... well that's not very nice."
23:20<EugeneKay>I don't use their panel :-p
23:20<swaj>"what's not nice?" I ask
23:20<auraka>Praefectus: wildwestdomains = godaddy
23:20<swaj>"beating up your computer!"
23:21<swaj>then office space is playing in my head
23:21<swaj>with the fax machine :P
23:21<Kunda>great scene
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23:22<auraka>Praefectus: ready to restate what you said? :-P
23:22<@Praefectus>i still have never used godaddy
23:22<XReaper>i use my uni lecturers reseller thingo and dynadot :P
23:22<auraka>yes you have...your domain would be regged with them
23:23<@Praefectus>nowhere on my domains does it say godaddy
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23:23<auraka>Praefectus: thats where your payment ends up
23:23<auraka>Praefectus: proof of what?
23:24<auraka>that wildwestdomains = godaddy?
23:24<@Praefectus>of your statement
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23:25<auraka>Praefectus: opyright © 2002 - 2012 Go Daddy Operating Company, LLC.
23:25<auraka>at the bottom would be a big clue
23:25<@Praefectus>ive never looked at their site
23:26<@Praefectus>time to move to the registrar i have a reseller with, i guess
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23:26<auraka>Praefectus: I suggest
23:27<auraka>german...good prices...good api...dnssec
23:27<@Praefectus>why would i take recommendations when i just said i have a reseller with someone?
23:27<auraka>oh sorry misread the statement
23:28<@Praefectus>lol, ive had a reseller with tucows since like 08, just never bothered to move my own domains over there
23:28<rnowak>Praefectus sells cpanel licenses, he has no soul
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23:28<auraka>Praefectus: not a big tucows fan...their panel sucks
23:28<XReaper>Praefectus: meaning you are a reseller?
23:28<auraka>should say opensrs
23:28<@Praefectus>i do not sell cpanel licenses
23:28<rnowak>he is worse than human trafficking cartels
23:29<@Praefectus>ya, opensrs
23:29<@Praefectus>but i did get my free reseller and $500 in credit from them at a cpanel conference
23:29<auraka>Praefectus: their panel sucks...hexonet is better and offers free reseller accounts
23:29<@Praefectus>my reseller account is free
23:30<auraka>and cheaper...$8.81 .com's vs tucows $11
23:30<@Praefectus>lol i dont pay $11 for domains
23:30<rnowak>el oh el
23:30<auraka>you do if you use opensrs
23:30<@Praefectus>i think the most expensive one i ever had to buy was $6?
23:30<auraka>thats what they cost
23:31<XReaper>.me wholeseales for $18... but i think they were on sale atm tho
23:31<auraka>most expensive...$50....but I did just sell a domain for $ it all works out
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23:32<XReaper>You wha
23:32<auraka>sell domains...for $...last one for $5k
23:32<Peng> :D
23:32<XReaper>lino is a company Peng
23:33<XReaper>no way linode can take it :P
23:33<Peng>Linode can do anything!
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23:33<rnowak>everything is possible at linodecom
23:33<XReaper>no doubt lino has more money than linode
23:34<dest>hola amigos
23:34*Katana starts compiling nautilus-actions
23:34<dest>man i thought the chat guys in eggxpert were committed, you guys are even more
23:34<XReaper>i turned off my extra linode since it was doing nothing...
23:34<XReaper>what should i put on it?
23:35<dest>a clone
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23:35<pharaun>just don't put urmom on it
23:35<dest>can you host games on a linode?
23:35<dest>do they work pretty well?
23:36<pharaun>dunno, probably
23:36<dest>man what cant these do
23:36<@Praefectus>microsoft proved that anything will work "pretty well" with enough memory thrown at it
23:36<dest>i wasted so much time with my old host
23:36<@Praefectus>dest: nowindowsforyou
23:36<dest>no windows?
23:36<@Praefectus>nope, no windows
23:36<dest>why would you need windows?
23:37<Kyhwana>dest: this is linode, not winode
23:37<dest>i never said i wanted windows
23:37<@Praefectus>you asked what they cant do
23:37<Kyhwana>dest: some game servers are windows only
23:37<pharaun>the better one usually have a linux ded anyway
23:37<dest>i prefer ubuntu anyway :)
23:37<XReaper>wait is windows even xen-pv aware?
23:38<Peng>Kyhwana: If it's not Winode, is it Losenode? :(
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23:38<Kyhwana>hmm, lame. a quad socket X7560 machine too 4m2s to build 3.3.5. Though it does have some VMs on it atm
23:38<rnowak>... you need to run it in hvm mode
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23:38<XReaper>Ah right...
23:39<Peng>Which doesn't stop some companies from offering it?
23:39<rnowak>it shouldn't stop them
23:39<Peng>Yeah, the fact that it's Windows should've stopped them. ;-)
23:40<@Praefectus>windows has its uses
23:40<XReaper>they need a min of a crapload of ram tho
23:40<XReaper>Peng: and who said they weren't deploying a core-version
23:40<dest>whats ram min on windows server?
23:40<XReaper>core... not as much as normal
23:40<dest>24gb no problemo
23:40<rnowak>2GB is minimum recommended for 2k8r2 iirc
23:41<XReaper>core or normal?
23:41<dest>does anyone here use suse linux?
23:41<rnowak>dest: Katana does
23:42<dest>why suse over ubuntu?
23:42<rnowak>why ubuntu over debian?
23:42<@heckman>He likes pain
23:42<@Praefectus>auraka: i think im switchin to hexonet
23:42<dest>i had a friend today ask why i got a ubuntu vps over a suse
23:42<dest>and i have no clue about the difference tbh
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23:43<XReaper>Praefectus: don't want to be associated with GoDaddy?
23:43<Katana>rpm loser detected!
23:43<@Praefectus>XReaper: nah, i like the hexonet panel over opensrs
23:43*Katana hugs Linux Mint
23:43<XReaper>Oh cool.
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23:43<Peng>You're leaving your daddy?
23:43<linbot>Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/
23:44<rnowak>Peng: urmom already did
23:44<XReaper>internic seems to have blocked linodes tokyo range from whois :D
23:44*rnowak blink
23:45<XReaper>mmm... mine are done through TUCOWS
23:46<Peng>Old bogon filters?
23:46-!-dhubbard [] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
23:46<Peng>Really, really old.
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