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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-06-01

---Logopened Fri Jun 01 00:00:59 2012
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00:04<chesty>y 4 u spoil my 1st?
00:05<EugeneKay>"Because fuck you, that's why."
00:06<retro|blah>YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE
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00:36<herb>does anyone here know if it's possible to move a server from one Linode account to a separate Linode account?
00:36<Kyhwana_>herb: yes
00:36<Kyhwana_>you need to email support/open tickets from both accounts
00:37<herb>Kyhwana_: okay, cool. thanks!
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00:39<Ford_Prefect>Hello. I've got a pending payment and the "Account" page is giving me a "Whoops! Something went wrong"
00:40<Ford_Prefect>Anything I can do to make sure things don't break horribly?
00:41<@Praefectus>billing takes hours to run, youll be charged sometime today
00:42<Katana>Praefectus: it runs at java speed?
00:42<@Praefectus>it runs at the speed of urmom, so it may actually take a few days
00:42<Katana>no need to be cordial, just be blunt
00:43<@Praefectus>i was tryin to be nice
00:43<@akerl>Katana's mom doesn't have to run. She's so big she's already there too
00:44<Ford_Prefect>Praefectus: problem is I need to change my card details before that
00:44<@Praefectus>Ford_Prefect: holdplz
00:44<Katana>akerl: actually, she just needs to roll a little. it's a real life instance of Katamari Damacy
00:45<Katana>soon, soon i will have enough mass built up that I will be able to roll up the entire world! X3
00:45<Katana>JUPITER, YOU'RE NEXT!
00:46*Katana continues rolling
00:47<EugeneKay>Just keep your hands off uranus
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00:47<@Praefectus>Ford_Prefect: try now
00:47<atan>With secret powers. All so new to her.
00:47<Ford_Prefect>Praefectus: still whoops :(
00:48<@Praefectus>log out first?
00:48<@Praefectus>it opened fine for me
00:48*Ford_Prefect tries
00:48<Ford_Prefect>Praefectus: no luck
00:49<@Praefectus>pm me your username
00:49<Ford_Prefect>All I did was try to pay you moniez :(
00:49<dominikh>yeah, don't do that, they don't like when you try to do that
00:49<Katana>you tried to pay with rubles again didn't you
00:50<StevenK>At least it wasn't bitcoins
00:50<Katana>I thought someone would say that
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00:58<Musfuut>I'm getting the whoops page as well and I need to change the credit card on file prior to paying
00:59<Ford_Prefect>Praefectus for king!
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01:01<Gnintendo>all right
01:01<Gnintendo>I purchased a Linode 512 for two years in advance
01:01<Gnintendo>and I'm about to purchase backups for the Linode for two years in advance
01:01<Gnintendo>In addition to simply backing up the Linode, the backup service is a good way to store a snapshot of a system if you want to try something out!
01:02<bob2>note: onsite only
01:02<Kyhwana_>Gnintendo: you should also have offsite backups
01:02<Katana>if you don't, you're playing russian datacenter roulette
01:03<Gnintendo>Kyhwana_: I'm not that worried about the data (nothing I will be storing is that important)
01:03<Gnintendo>If the datacenter burns down I'm sure everybody will have more important problems than the cat pictures stored in my backups
01:03<Gnintendo>If you get what I mean
01:03<Katana>Gnintendo: mind if I rm -fr /* your node real quick? :D
01:04*Gnintendo eyerolls
01:04<Katana>plz plz
01:04<Gnintendo>I wonder if I can configure a backup system that uses Amazon S3
01:04<Gnintendo>I'll have to mess with it sometime
01:05<Gnintendo>at any rate, have any of you seen s3fs!?
01:05<Katana>i need to dd out my backup
01:05<XReaper>Katana: lo?
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01:07<SleePy>Ooh.. The migration actually changed my host... Now I have to update my keys and other info :D
01:08<Kyhwana_>SleePy: what keys?
01:08<Katana>probably lish
01:08<SleePy>For the console access
01:08<Katana>though i doubt you need to, that should have transferred
01:09<Katana>and if it's a new host, it'll be a new host ip
01:09<SleePy>Seems I can't access my host queue or see the graphs atm either... Will give those time though before I do a ticket
01:09<Gnintendo>It's a good thing lish exists
01:09<Gnintendo>I always accidentally something
01:09<XReaper>SleePy: Migration entails migration to a NEW host
01:09<SleePy>Katana: The migrations Linode is doing moved me to a new host machine. So the fingerprints they have are different
01:09<Katana>yes, and the ip will have changed :p
01:10<XReaper>SleePy: yeah, if the node JUST came up, they won't exist yet
01:10<SleePy>My ip didn't change (it shouldn't of)
01:10<Katana>the host machine's has
01:10<XReaper>the ip will be the same
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01:10*Praefectus makes sure to change all of XReaper's IP addresses
01:10<Katana>so, it won't set off the fingerprint alarm, it should ask to add new
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01:10<SleePy>Yea my Linoe just rebooted (thats why I dc/ed)
01:11<XReaper>Praefectus: already done that once myself... Dallas -> Tokyo :P
01:11*Praefectus gives your Linodes London IPs
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01:11<Katana>move them to linode-moon
01:11*Praefectus adds Katana to the knows-too-much list
01:13<@Praefectus>that wasnt a good thing..
01:13<@Praefectus>plz2be leaving a window unlocked tonight
01:13<chesty>PM Praefectus for an invite to #linode-au-beta
01:14*Praefectus kicks chesty in the face
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01:15<Katana>We all know linode's gonna go for Hong Kong next
01:16<chesty>no ip addresses in hong kong
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01:17<Kyhwana_>ipv6 only
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01:17<EugeneKay>Linode Antarctica
01:17<Katana>Linode Sol
01:17<@Praefectus>cant manage cooling there
01:18<Kyhwana_>at Sol? hmm
01:18<chesty>server warming costs are too expensive for antarctica
01:18<SleePy>Water cooling?
01:18<chesty>sol rings a bell, some star or something?
01:19<@Praefectus>ya, the one you see every day
01:19<zivester>Is linode ever going to get out of managed hosting and attackt the likes of GoDaddy?.. I feel liek te best of the best could eiliminate these companies
01:19<@Praefectus>zivester: Linode is UNmanaged
01:20<SleePy>so1 would provide way to much latency with current technology
01:20<zivester>but its a *very* solid managed company. Add in some cPanels an dnow you got amanager shared hosts
01:20<SleePy>cpanel = bleh!
01:20*heckman shudders at cPanel
01:20<Katana>GOD NO
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01:20<pharaun>yes cpanel please
01:21*heckman stabs pharaun
01:21*Katana kidney punches pharaun
01:21*EugeneKay farts at pharaun
01:21<@heckman>EugeneKay mustard gas!
01:21*pharaun installs cpanels on heckman, Katana and EugeneKay's nodes
01:21<Kyhwana_>lol cpanel
01:21<zivester>I'm thinking of the average computer kidder setter upper... there sre millsions on godaddy... our product is better... its faster.. the site rocks
01:21*Katana installs gentoo on pharaun's node
01:22<pharaun>oh why thank you Katana
01:22*Katana sets it to compile with one core
01:22<bob2>low-margin managed hosting sounds like a pretty shitty business to be in
01:22<bob2>and cpanel doesn't turn unmanaed into managed
01:22<pharaun>probably is
01:22<XReaper>where should i back up my /etc dir to?
01:22<Katana>Enjoy using your node in a few months :D
01:22<XReaper>set up a git repo at home?
01:22<pharaun>Katana: distcc
01:22<bob2>XReaper, s3 with duplicity
01:22<EugeneKay>XReaper - etckepper makes it into a git repo
01:22<XReaper>Arch Linux
01:23<pharaun>lol arch
01:23<pharaun>the romans got you beat
01:23<EugeneKay>I back stuff up to the 6x2TB RAID6 in my living room
01:23<XReaper>and i believe akerl used git -am"`date`" or something
01:23<zivester>are the unmanaged margined nodes here comparable to unmanaged hosts elsewhere?
01:23<Katana>gorrammit, how does this plugin work...
01:23<pharaun>margined? wat
01:23<pharaun>marginated? just put your node in butter and let it soak for a while
01:24<pharaun>bake at 350 degree for a hour then consume
01:24<XReaper>zivester: linode is optimised for pure grunt
01:24<zivester>so we dont want no knicker bockers around these parts/
01:24<pharaun>XReaper: yet it can't even grunt urmom
01:24<XReaper>har har
01:25<zivester>I just want the Goddy commercials to die ... setupp a lower tier unmanaged... and tak the small profits and make hosting an even more greater place
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01:26<pharaun>low tier/margin hosting is a ghetto
01:26<@heckman>Not sure if trolling...
01:26<Kyhwana_>zivester: and then have to deal with idiot customers
01:26<EugeneKay>heckman - trolling.
01:26<pharaun>can i have my 8mb node?
01:27<Kyhwana_>THere's plenty of crap VPS companies that offer cpanels, go use them
01:27<zivester>I don't know the details.. I'm just a customer. I would Imagine Godaddy is huge in web hosting... and everyone hates them... everyonre loves linode .. bying all the wanna be happy people here!
01:27<bob2>I want my invoices powered by CFM TYVM
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01:27<Gnintendo>I feel like there was a way to change the time zone for Linode
01:27<Gnintendo>time zone for Linode backups, I meant
01:28<SleePy>pharaun: You could... Limit it in the profile
01:28<Gnintendo>and by extension, you account as reflected on
01:28<Gnintendo>but I may be crazy
01:28<pharaun>SleePy: nah i want a 8mb node for $2 a month :)
01:28<pharaun>SleePy: note i was jesting bout those lowend box
01:28<SleePy>lol I know
01:28<@heckman>Gnintendo: backups are always America/New_York time afaik
01:29<pharaun>tho i suppose you could pay for a 512 node
01:29<pharaun>then resell 8mb slices
01:29<Kyhwana_>8mb!? I want 192 for that!
01:29<Gnintendo>heckman: I must be just mis-remembering something from a year ago
01:29<Gnintendo>no worries
01:30<Gnintendo>you can get 1 GB nodes from shitty VPS companies for like $4/month
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01:31<zivester>nah just separate... keep the existing dedicated VPS and then start a bunch of nice Frontends for the shared folk... crazy??
01:31<pharaun>zivester: you can do that yourself? :)
01:31<zivester>sure why not, but I don't work at Linode
01:31<pharaun>why would linode want to do it anyway its not their specality or interest anyway :)
01:32<pharaun>if you think there's a market for that kind of stuff on top of a linode vps i don't see anything preventing you from setting up such business on that
01:32<Gnintendo>Linode should do my laundry too
01:32<Gnintendo>yeah, they should
01:32*pharaun pours gas and lit it on fire
01:32<Katana>linode *does* allow reselling
01:33<zivester>I don't have the linode name to sell... if I did i would be selling on it
01:33<Kyhwana_>zivester: what? you start up your own company and sell cpanel shit on your linode
01:33<zivester>me >>>>> linode
01:33<Katana>( ^^) _旦~~
01:33<zivester>cup of tea? lol
01:34<Gnintendo>heckman: If I lived in (shit where are you guys again...some random city, I swear >.>) <that place, how much would it cost for you guys to do my laundry every day?
01:34<@heckman>near Atlantic City, and we don't pre-release information about new services. :)
01:34<Katana>Gnintendo: new jersey
01:35<Gnintendo>nah, I knew that, I meant the name of the exact city
01:35<Gnintendo>it's weird, I remember you guys said it one time >.<
01:35<@heckman>Specifically Galloway
01:35<Gnintendo>yeah, that one
01:35<Gnintendo>I had a hunch it started with a G, but I didn't want to say that and be wrong
01:35<pharaun>heckman: expect a package of laundry soon
01:35<@heckman> <=
01:35*Katana mails heckman socks
01:36<Gnintendo>Do you guys dry clean too?
01:37<zivester>Galloway... hmmmm. I think I went to a Police Station in Galloway
01:37<zivester>maybe time for another visit
01:38<Gnintendo>I need to finish reading the iptables documentation
01:38<@Praefectus>Gnintendo: i do laundry + dry cleaning, its just x2 cost of the chinese laundry in the shopping center next door
01:38<pharaun>Praefectus: and that cost is probably 1 cent
01:38<Gnintendo>Praefectus: Do you offer a laundry backup service?
01:39<Gnintendo>albeit, on-site?
01:39<@Praefectus>pharaun: nah, theyre a bit costly, i charge double for me dropping off and picking up from them
01:39<@Praefectus>Gnintendo: negatvie
01:39<@Praefectus>negative, too
01:39<Gnintendo>that's rough, man
01:39<Gnintendo>and the Chinese guy doesn't sound too happy about your services either
01:40<@Praefectus>he likes me, i bring him lots of business
01:40<@Praefectus>he also doesnt care that i charge double, we just split it
01:40<zivester>zoots... door to door
01:41*Gnintendo goes back to reading "man iptables"
01:41<retro|blah>ip mantables
01:42<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡/(.□ . \)
01:42<retro|blah>Deep sixed I see
01:42<Katana>sorry i'm a little slow tonight
01:43<pharaun>alright something's not right with my encoding, something/someone is lying again
01:43<Katana>looks fine to me
01:43<Gnintendo>heckman: Upon further investigation, the backup timezone was already in terms of my local timezone (CST)
01:43<pharaun>oh i'm seeing ???'s again
01:43<Katana>pharaun: may be your font
01:43<pharaun>i had working utf8 a while ago something's out of whack again
01:43<zivester>does linode give any info about # of servers/customers... or # of employees
01:43<Gnintendo>I don't know if this is because I had found the setting previously, if it defaulted to what I first logged in from IP-wise, or what
01:43<pharaun>Katana: probably screen
01:43<Gnintendo>at any rate, it's what I wanted
01:43<Katana>pharaun: windows 7?
01:43<pharaun>i'm seeing it fine in my terminal
01:44<Katana>pharaun: It cocks up utf8 regularly on me, one boot it works, one boot it doesn't in win7
01:44<Katana>check a file with kanji in the filename
01:44<pharaun>seems like screen is displaying utf ok
01:44<XReaper>a lot of the cheap unmanageds can run a lot more than 40 nodes on a single box
01:44<SleePy>zivester: <-- Probably the best information your going to get.
01:44<pharaun>Katana: yeah its irssi
01:44*pharaun gets out the beating sticks again
01:45<Katana>flip tables then, or get a decent client that likes utf8
01:45<Gnintendo>XReaper: Yeah, just use that other virtualization software that's not xen that I forget what it's called.
01:45<Gnintendo>The one that allows you to oversell your resources.
01:45<Katana>oh god please
01:45<Gnintendo>Whatever that one is.
01:45<Katana>not openvz
01:45<Gnintendo>yeah, that one
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01:45<Gnintendo>"guys, just put 900 nodes on the same box, just use openvz, it's fine"
01:46<XReaper>Gnintendo: they use xen
01:46<bob2>openvz isn't a terrible thing
01:46<Gnintendo>XReaper: I know Linode uses xen, I'm poking fun at other companies
01:46<XReaper>but offer a managed service, which is where the REAL money gets made
01:46<bob2>it's just a shitty thing to base a VPS service on
01:46<XReaper>Gnintendo: i mean some of the other cheapies use xen
01:46<XReaper>and also offer a xen-hv service
01:46<Gnintendo>some of them, yes
01:46<Katana>YESH! got curiousignore working /o/
01:46<XReaper>and 5TB of transit :P
01:47<Gnintendo>gah! stop distracting me from reading iptables documentation
01:47<XReaper>but... hosted in the US
01:47<Gnintendo>It's so monotonous D;
01:47<pharaun>test - 漢)
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01:48<pharaun>that seems to be displaying correctly now \o/
01:48<woozbly>ey guys, my linode gotrenews today
01:48<pharaun>indeed my irssi got whacked out
01:48<Katana>Gnintendo: rawr
01:48<woozbly>but i wanted to see last month bandwidth consumption
01:48<Katana>woozbly: check graphs
01:48<@Praefectus>go to the graphs tab
01:49<Katana>Praefectus: you guys really need to make that easier to find tbh
01:49<woozbly>is it the Network heading ?
01:49<@Praefectus>Katana: oh, i want to see graphs from last month.. maybe theyre under the GRAPHS tab?
01:49<XReaper>WHAT IS IT WITH 5c billing :O
01:49<Katana>Praefectus: no, the actual AMOUNT of bandwidth used
01:49<XReaper>$19.95/mnth for a 512
01:50<XReaper>why not $20
01:50<@Praefectus>its under your network graph
01:50<XReaper>(i know, makes it look cheaper)
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01:51<Gnintendo>I can't IRC and read documentation at the same time, I'm gonna jump off, finish reading the manual (hopefully...)
01:51<Gnintendo>, then head to bed
01:51<Gnintendo>Good night!
01:52<woozbly>is this the one - ?
01:52<woozbly>Katana: Praefectus: ^
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01:53<@Praefectus>woozbly: nope, thats your monthly, go to graphs and hit May
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01:54<woozbly>Praefectus: ?
01:54<woozbly>is there a guide to understand these graphs ? :P
01:54*woozbly is sad :/
01:55<XReaper>woozbly: they are RRDTool graphs if i'm not mistaken
01:56<XReaper>generated from logging data from the hosts
01:56<woozbly>i am such a noob, i understand nothing except 42gb out and 5gb in
01:56<woozbly>5gb in means i downloaded 5gb data ?
01:56<XReaper>'You have an outstanding balance' no shit sherlock... that comes out tomorrow :/
01:56<@heckman>Means 5GB of traffic came from the internet to your Linode
01:57*Praefectus suspends XReaper
01:57<woozbly>ok, not sure when i downloaded so much
01:57<XReaper>Praefectus: ha, like that would happen. 'Sorry, you paid a day after the invoice'
01:57<woozbly>Priv Out , Priv In means?
01:58<XReaper>nice that it shows it
01:58<@Praefectus>XReaper: late fee instead?
01:58<XReaper>Praefectus: late fee for an automated debit?
01:58<@Praefectus>$499.95 USD
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01:59<woozbly>i am sorry to ask such questions, i would be happy if you link me to a guide regarding understanding graphs
01:59<linbot>New news from forums: authdaemond: authmysql error in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
02:00<XReaper>ok... 12 months for a 512... mmm cheap. might convert one of my nodes to annual :P
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02:01<@heckman>woozbly: that's private network traffic
02:01<XReaper>heckman: that includes local ipv6?
02:02<@heckman>woozbly: what are you confused about
02:02<@heckman>XReaper: there are IPv6 specific graphs
02:02<XReaper>silly me
02:02<woozbly>heckman: trying to understand those 4 lines
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02:02<XReaper>woozbly: on the graphs, that's how much bandwidth was used at the times
02:03<XReaper>(as in speed)
02:03<@heckman>private in and out is traffic going across the private network. That's from Linode <=> Linode on the
02:03<XReaper>or ipv6 if you are looking at that one
02:04<woozbly>heckman: why does that happen?
02:04<@heckman>Does what happen?
02:04<XReaper>woozbly: dhcp, anything really
02:04<woozbly>why does traffic go across private network ?
02:04<@heckman>If you want two of your Linodes in the same datacenter to talk to one another without it taxing your transfer pool.
02:04<@heckman>You need to explicitly set this up.
02:04<XReaper>or just use ipv6 :D
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02:06<XReaper>um ok... pay for an annual. aussie dollar goes to hell... refund to card. make money
02:06<XReaper>or: pay for annual, us dollar goes to hell, weep.
02:07<XReaper>seems legit
02:08<Kyh>XReaper: you mean it gets stronger :P
02:08<XReaper>well yeah
02:08<retro|blah>Read the prospectus carefully before making an investment in Linodes.
02:08<woozbly>heckman: ok, i just have 1 node and not sure why it has talked to another node in the same private network
02:08<XReaper>say the aussie dollar jumped to $2USD, my annual fee would be worth half what i'd paid for it
02:08<woozbly>my networking concepts is really weak.
02:09<XReaper>woozbly: linux does talk on low levels on the network
02:10<chesty>the dollar is going to move 20% at max, 20% of chump change is about "chump change" * 0.2
02:10<woozbly>Outgoing Max:4.40mb/s means in one of the 2hours, outgoing b/w had reached 4.40mb per second right ?
02:11<XReaper>chesty: back when k rudd was in power during the GFC, they dropped it from $1.10 to 60c overnight... then i just went back to $1
02:11<XReaper>i hate money
02:11<woozbly>ya but it drives everything :D
02:11<woozbly>am i right on that outgoing max btw?
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02:11<@Praefectus>XReaper: yea, but if we went back to a barter system at least 50% of the world would die
02:11<@Praefectus>on second though, lets do that
02:12<XReaper>just so you can be rid of me ey :P
02:12<@Praefectus>nope, so we can cut the population in half
02:12<chesty>i sold most of my shares, and all of my banking shares today. come at me greece
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02:12<@Praefectus>7b people is a drain on the planet
02:12<XReaper>Oh yes
02:13<XReaper>greece is apparently gonna be ditched from the euro zone, so they can die in peace
02:13<XReaper>big fail there
02:13<@Praefectus>but they have such good food
02:14<XReaper>that would cost a craptonne now?
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02:14<@Praefectus>nah, you buy a few grecians and have them shipped to you
02:14<chesty>khan academy has some videos on greece and the euro, I haven't watched them though
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02:17<@Praefectus>i cba to get involved in that kind of crap, it's boring to me, and thats what god made brokers for!
02:19<XReaper>Too bad linode can't ensure against a nuclear war...
02:20<XReaper>need a DC on mars
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02:28<XReaper>ohwait... light is too slow
02:30<chesty>negatory, what's the quickest way to mars?
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02:32<XReaper>hmm... if we send Praefectus there... won't be coming back alive :D
02:32<XReaper>then linode can have dibs on mars.
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02:35<@Praefectus>XReaper: i already have someplace im going, and its closer than mars
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02:36<chesty>caker's license doesn't cover jets or rockets
02:37*Praefectus already has contracts with SpaceX
02:37<chesty>for how much?
02:37<@Praefectus>i am unable to disclose that, its part of the contract
02:38<chesty>are you in shape and fit?
02:38<@Praefectus>nope, but i did have a stress test yesterday and it took them 25 minutes to get my heart rate from 85 to 160
02:39<chesty>fair enough, I guess if you want to go that badly, you'll do whatever is required to get there
02:41<@Praefectus>well, when my orbital assault platform is done, id want to be on it
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02:43<nyu>Hi. Linode Manager says I have an outstanding balance. What does that mean?
02:43<@Praefectus>you owe us money
02:43<Kyh>nyu: it means you owe linode money
02:43<chesty>it means he thinks your balance is top of the top
02:43<chesty>so tops it's outstanding
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02:45<nyu>So that's normal when my invoice is due today?
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02:48<XReaper>nyu: yup
02:48<chesty>if your credit card is on file, you'll be bill automatically, if not, you will be emailed
02:48<XReaper>will dissapear when they take the money out
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02:57<XReaper>Praefectus: fine, put a linode DC into orbit
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02:58<@Praefectus>im down, plenty of room on the platform, and it will cut down on energy used for heating
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03:00<XReaper>'sorry, your linode burnt up on re-entry'
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03:02<@Praefectus>nah, ima jus shoot it out an airlock at the ISS
03:02<XReaper>ha :D
03:03<XReaper>'we run cloud servers, look up, we're in the cloud :P'
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03:03<@Praefectus>are you looking up? watch for the flash! <detonates nuke>
03:04<XReaper>that could result in an EMP :(
03:05<@Praefectus>shielding, dawg
03:06<@Praefectus>its gonna be a bit borgish, nice straight lines
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03:12<chesty>what's linodes policy on liquid silver?
03:13<@Praefectus>liquid silver?
03:13<Musfuut>Sounds like it would overheat the server to keep it melted
03:13<@Praefectus>nah, it could use the heat generated by the server to remain liquid
03:14<JoeK>cant we use the server to heat liquid?
03:14<@Praefectus>cook an egg too
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03:17<Tucker>There seems to be a problem preventing me from paying the balence on my Linode, every time I try to go into the account part of the manager it throws a 'Whoops!' error.
03:18<@Praefectus>Tucker: its being worked on
03:18<@Praefectus>you also have until the 10th if the system fails to automatically charge you
03:19<Tucker>Oh, awesome. Thanks.
03:20<XReaper>Tucker: if the auto charge is in progress it won't let you... I could be wrong though
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03:29<amitz>what's thetypical memory usage of gforge? one user at a time.
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03:29<amitz>is 1.5gb overkill? maybe 512mb?
03:30<amitz>including postgresql
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03:41<duncan>i just upgraded my linode to the latest stable debian release
03:41<duncan>it was running etch previously
03:41<duncan>now it looks like i no longer have an eth0 interface
03:41<duncan>ifconfig shows only loopback
03:41<duncan>what gives?
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03:58<XReaper>duncan: fun
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03:58<XReaper>oh, and also might want to get used to iproute2 commands
03:58<XReaper>'ip addr' and the like
03:58<XReaper>personally i'd suggest you make a new squeeze image and copy the stuff over
04:01<chesty>amitz: why gforge? isn't that the sourceforge code? why not one of the github clones?
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04:01*chesty logs into XReaper's box
04:02<XReaper>keyboard mashing apparently
04:04<amitz>chesty: legacy vm, sigh
04:07<amitz>also, does microsot sql server 2008 32 bits use less memory than 64 bits?
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04:08<dwfreed>duncan: make sure your /etc/network/interfaces is right; make sure your sources.list is right, and then ensure that udev and ifupdown are installed; if you can't hit the outside world from your Linode, you can manually bring up networking with the following commands: ifconfig eth0 <your Linode's IP> netmask broadcast <the first three octets from your Linode's IP>.255; route add default gw <first three octets from your Linode's IP>.1
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04:12<duncan>i got it working again
04:13<chesty>dwfreed: no ops tonight?
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04:14<dwfreed>chesty: I've never had ops in this channel, unless I'm mistaken
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04:38<XReaper>dwfreed: ur just special i guess? :P
04:38<dwfreed>XReaper: I guess :)
04:40<Abel>does anyone know if the linode load balancers support non-linode ips/vps?
04:40<@Praefectus>no they dont
04:40<Kyh>Abel: no
04:41<chesty>Abel: no
04:42<chesty>i hope i added something to answering of the question
04:42<Kyh>chesty: yep
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05:49<CornishPasty>Hehe, Linode likes my balance, they think it's outstanding!
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06:07<linbot>New news from forums: [Paid] Help fix bash script for Nginx, UWSGI, Python in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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06:10<MaZ->textboot use case for puppet / chef solo!
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07:14<Kyh>wow, does atlanta still filter all those ports?
07:16<chesty>you may laugh, but when was the last time you heard atlanta was infiltrated by aliens?
07:20<Kyh>whos to say it hasn't already?
07:24<marius>Irrelevant, when did you hear of it? ;)
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07:28<chesty>if i had a dollar for every minute i've lost waiting for the next quarter hour, i could buy linode a new dns
07:29*vsync just runs his own
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07:34<Avorntur>vsync: you run your own nameserver(s)?
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08:19<KyleXY>Whoah big jump in my hosts number, dallas69 to dallas445
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08:22<dinx>hi all
08:22<dinx>i recently bought a linode server, like 3 hours ago
08:22<dinx>i cant ssh to it and the dns still points to the old one
08:22<dinx>can anyone help?
08:22<KyleXY>"can't ssh in" wrong password or?
08:22<dinx>connection timed out
08:22<KyleXY>Did you deploy a distrib and actually boot it, first.
08:23<KyleXY>(If so, just making sure ._.)
08:23<dinx>yes ubuntu 10.04 and its running
08:23<gerryvdm>dns might take a couple of hours to propagate
08:23<dinx>ok but direct ip?
08:23<gerryvdm>try connecting on the linode's ip
08:23<dinx>eh same
08:23<KyleXY>Use lish to figure out if it's all running?
08:23<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
08:24<KyleXY>12:21 < KyleXY> coingenuity: central, actually
08:24<KyleXY>stupoid right cick
08:24<dinx>in my cpanel i click on lish ajaxterm but get a connection timed out
08:25<dinx>where as if i go directly to the linode ip i get a connection refused
08:26<KyleXY>Reboot the linode, if the issue persists I think contacting Linode via a ticket will be needed.
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08:29<jchen>Linode manager != cpanel
08:30<dinx>yes yes i know
08:31<dinx>i just meant manager panel
08:32<KyleXY>jchen: well, cpanel vaguely means control panel, ;p
08:33<dinx>anyway rebooted and no change
08:36<jchen>dinx: put in a ticket
08:40<DrJ>I wouldn't say cpanel is widely used to mean any control panel myself
08:40<KyleXY>DrJ: Neither I, but it's what they mean :p
08:40<DrJ>btw, webmin/virtualmin ftw
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08:41<DrJ>what, you don't like them?
08:41<DrJ>1) they do everything cpanel, plesk, etc does ...
08:41<DrJ>2) it is free
08:42<KyleXY>Because all webpanels are useless, :)
08:42<DrJ>may not have as much eye candy, but you could actually make a theme yourself if you wanted the candy
08:42<KyleXY>They do everything that you should do via the console
08:42<DrJ>I disagree
08:42<DrJ>I know how to do probably 80% or better of the stuff on my server via console
08:42<DrJ>but I'd much prefer a GUI
08:42<KyleXY>two different views, I just don't feel like adding another layer for attack to a machine, heh
08:43<KyleXY>since Webmin's been known to have some stupid exploits, heh
08:43<DrJ>well, that's just fine if the server is only for you ... if you are running a web hosting company or whatnot a control panel is a must to get client
08:43<KyleXY>^^ Yep
08:43<KyleXY>Hence, two different views.
08:44<DrJ>all control panels, along with every other software in the world is known to have exploits
08:44<DrJ>Jamie is very quick to release updates when ones are found though
08:44<rnowak>ha ha running web hosting companies
08:45<rnowak>the world would be a better place with most of them gone
08:45<DrJ>as long as there is money to be made rnowak, they never will
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08:50<dinx>thanks for the help guys
08:50<dinx>have a great day
08:50<dehed>1 american express and 1 mastercard) which I always use for online payments, could it be because these are cards from Israel?
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08:51<rnowak>You probably got cut off dehed;
08:51<rnowak>12:50:59 dehed: 1 american express and 1 mastercard) which I always use for online payments, could it be because these are cards from Israel?
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08:52<dehed>I meant to say that signing up isn't working, it won't accept 2 credit cards
08:52<dehed>The rest is there
08:52<linbot> -- Contact information, distro usage and other fun statistics
08:53<rnowak>dehed: you'd probably have to contact them in a more official way
08:53<jchen>dehed: submit a ticket or email us
08:54<woozbly>57% of deployments are Ubuntu
08:54<woozbly>i liek it :D
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08:54<nisseni>I think I've screwed up, I'm using Putty, when I'm about to connect I get "Disconnected: No supported authentication methods available" - I did something with the firewall, might that be the reason?
08:54<rnowak>nisseni: no -- you probably disabled password logins, and are not providing your key correctly
08:55<nisseni>rnowak: that's probably the issue, I created a key, but do I have to make a download in some way?
08:55<jchen>nisseni: check your sshd config, and the permissions on your ~?.ssh/ config
08:55<rnowak>nisseni: where did you create the key pair? on the server?
08:55<nisseni>rnowak: yes
08:56<qmr>nisseni: if it was firewall you wouldn't be able to connect at all. PuTTY needs your private key.
08:56<rnowak>nisseni: you will need to download your private key, which does not end in pub -- you will need to load up this file in puttygen.exe and create a putty compatible key
08:56<qmr>nisseni: use LISH to get in and give yourself access again
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08:56<rnowak>!libgoog puttygen
08:56<linbot>Search Results – Linode Library: <>; Use Public Key Authentication with SSH: <>; Use Public Key Authentication with SSH ...: <>; Linux Security Basics ===================== :Author: Sam ...: (1 more message)
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08:57<rnowak>Guess there's no walkthrough for that, I thought there was.
09:01<nisseni>hmm, the LISH isn't very good imo, can't use ctrl+x, can't use backspace?
09:01<rnowak>try a browser other than chrome, or even better, connect to it using putty over ssh
09:02<qmr>nisseni: try Firefox, or use LISH over SSH
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09:15<jchen>lish over ssh is amazing
09:15<Katana>would probably improve considering there's now some decent free html-based shell emulators
09:16<Katana>buuuut apparently that's not a priority
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09:17<XReaper>Monthly bills make me want to commit suicide. Annual is too friggen cheap
09:17<XReaper>gonna do it.
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09:48<nisseni>I'm trying to find something on opening port 21 in the firewall - are there any instructions on the linode site?
09:49<mwalling>are you running a firewall?
09:50<nisseni>mwalling: I set it up from the instructions on
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09:50<nisseni>guess it would looks something like: -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 21 -j ACCEPT but I have no idea
09:51<rnowak>nisseni: do you really have to use FTP? it makes cute things sad
09:52<nisseni>rnowak: preferably, yes, since I'm a webdeveloper
09:52<rnowak>nisseni: how is that relevant?
09:53<rnowak>nisseni: your sshd has sftp built in -- if all you will be using it for is transfering files yourself, you might as well use that and do it in a secure way
09:53<rnowak>nisseni: filezilla, or preferably winscp, can both use sftp
09:53<nisseni>rnowak: you tell me, I'm the newbee here, but I use an editor which I connect via ftp to develop from
09:53<linbot>New news from forums: fail2ban apache-hacks in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
09:53<rnowak>nisseni: that's a pretty bad practice, imho
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09:54<XReaper>nisseni: use SFTP
09:54<nisseni>rnowak: bad practice to develop while connected?
09:54<nisseni>or connected to regular FTP ?
09:54<XReaper>most FTP clients support SFTP
09:54<XReaper>(runs over ssh)
09:54<XReaper>FTP is unencrypted
09:54<rnowak>nisseni: well, both, for different reasons. Can you not develop locally and when you want it transferred, transfer?
09:54<XReaper>only real issue is someone pigybacking your FTP session and doing malicious damage
09:55<rnowak>I take it you use telnet instead of ssh, XReaper?
09:55<XReaper>ok. Everything is wrong with FTP
09:55<XReaper>MAy as well use telnet
09:56<nisseni>rnowak: actually no, I don't like that way of working, takes a lot of time to always upload something
09:56<XReaper>I use git
09:56<rnowak>do you revision control your things somehow?
09:57<rnowak>do you have an isolated development setup? or do you develop directly into live?
09:57<nisseni>rnowak: that depends
09:57<nisseni>smaller changes is made live
09:57<rnowak>doing the latter is pretty horrible, not keeping things version controlled in 2012 is pretty horrible that too
09:58<nisseni>rnowak: not when it comes to websites, can't version control small css changes, then you wouldn't be doing anything else
09:58<rnowak>You should familiarize yourself with git or mercurial(hg), it will improve most aspects of your day to day logistics with keeping code, and pushing it to places
09:58<rnowak>nisseni: eh, that's bullshit
09:59<Katana>if you can't use live editing tools like firebug or chrome's dev tools you are not a webdev, you're an ameteur
09:59<Katana>learn the tools and use version control
09:59<nisseni>Katana: eh?
09:59<nisseni>Katana: of course I use those
10:00<Katana>then there's no excuse
10:00<XReaper>nisseni: you can set websites up as git repos
10:00<XReaper>and push code to them and set up automations
10:01<Katana>test the small changes in-browser (or locally - webservers CAN be installed on local systems for development) and then make them in your code and commit them. not hard
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10:01<XReaper>or use continuous integration software :P
10:01<nisseni>Katana: that's exactly what I'm doing
10:01<@heckman>I don't always debug my code, but when I do, I do it in production.
10:01<Katana>you do not edit live
10:01<rnowak>heckman: oh I always do that, but at least it is version controlled
10:01<rnowak>who needs testing
10:02<Katana>rnowak: not arch
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10:03<auraka>arch does testing....on its' user base
10:03<Katana>Arch is like the GLaDOS of linux distros
10:04<XReaper>auraka: then... use the testing repo
10:04<XReaper>guaranteed to fail
10:05<auraka>XReaper: why would I downgrade from ubuntu/debian?
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10:05<XReaper>I'd run sid
10:05<XReaper>and stable on a critical production box
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10:08*XReaper goes off to put his /etc on git
10:14<gerryvdm>is wheezy something to be expected for the coming months?
10:19<XReaper>freezes this month
10:19<XReaper>and undergoes bug fixing etc
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10:22<rnowak>gerryvdm: probably not before spring next year
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10:24<XReaper>gerryvdm: i'd expect 3-6 months after the freeze
10:25<gerryvdm>quite a while still then
10:26<gerryvdm>would love to use php5.4 without switching to 3rd party repos
10:27<XReaper>i use php 5.4
10:27<gerryvdm>compiled it?
10:27<staticsafe>you also use Arch, so you don't count
10:27<gerryvdm>oh :)
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10:28<XReaper>I use linux 3.3 something on my laptop
10:28<Katana>staticsafe: is that another security issue, not being able to count?
10:29<XReaper>the day 3.4 hit, it was in arch's testing repo
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10:32<XReaper>Ooooooh... THAT's why they moved the networking config out of rc.conf...
10:33<staticsafe>inb4 people flood #archlinux because they didn't read the news
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10:34<XReaper>systemd-tools doesn't mean i'll be running systemd
10:36<@heckman>Yeah, I raged until I realized that
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10:37<XReaper>upstream merged udev with systemd-tools
10:38<staticsafe>Katana: how is the new Mint release?
10:38<staticsafe>i should replace 12.04 with that
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10:39<@heckman>I saw an article someplace, where they called Linux Mint the desktop Linux distro of 2012
10:39<Nicv>Hi, just signup linode today
10:39<@heckman>LM 13 specifically
10:39<XReaper>i've only heard good things about it
10:39<Katana>it's alright, cinnamon is stabilizing still
10:39<KyleXY>Heh, I was wondering what pacman was on about there too
10:39<Nicv>need to setup registered name server
10:39<XReaper>Nicv: welcome to the club :D
10:40<Tea>Screw cinnamon. S'all about the MATEs
10:40<Nicv>i've register
10:40<Nicv>but how do we setup the DNS in Linode?
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10:40<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
10:40<XReaper>Nicv: in the linode manager
10:40<Nicv>Hi XReaper
10:40<@heckman>Nicv: you're kind of doing it wrong. If you want to use the Linode Manager, you need to set your name servers to through for your domain.
10:40<Katana>staticsafe: cinnamon is crashing less than before, but it may still be leaking a bit
10:40<Nicv>i mean i need a private nameserver
10:40<KyleXY>Assuming is going to handle's DNS, you'll want glue records (if you're handling your own dns)
10:41<@heckman>Nicv: well, then you need to set up an authoritative nameserver and handle your zone-files by hand
10:41<Katana>staticsafe: the menu though is working well finally, it's a half-second more responsive, but still a ways to go
10:41<@heckman>!Library NSD
10:41<linbot>heckman: 1. Provide Authoritative DNS Services with NSD on Fedora 13 - | 2. Provide Authoritative DNS Services with NSD on Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) - | 3. Provide Authoritative DNS Services with NSD on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) - (1 more message)
10:41<@heckman>Well, I was hoping 10.04LTS would be top on the list. But yeah, check out the library for NSD articles
10:41<Nicv>herm2026 i remember my ex-vps can do that
10:42<jchen>ex-vps l0l
10:42<KyleXY>heckman: I'm a happy Arch user again <3
10:42<XReaper>KyleXY: Where do you use arch?
10:42<KyleXY>XReaper: my Linode
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10:42<XReaper>If i request an annual subscription it would be charged immediately won't it?
10:42<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Copying a Disk Image to a Different Account <>
10:43<Nicv>means I'm no way to setup for name server?
10:43<KyleXY>Nicv: .. Read the articles please
10:43<XReaper>Nicv: the article will help you get it set yp
10:43<KyleXY>Finished copying my disk image to local computer today, deleted images, entered migration (faster with no images), then reimaged with Arch Linux
10:43<Nicv>my apology, which article?
10:43<XReaper>KyleXY: gonna try systemd?
10:43<Nicv>couldn't see any link
10:44<KyleXY>XReaper: *shrug*
10:44<jchen>systemd-tools replaces udev
10:44<KyleXY>Assuming they already replaced it, I already am
10:44*KyleXY checks
10:44<XReaper>KyleXY: nah
10:44<XReaper>sysvinit still
10:44<XReaper>udev got merged with systemd-tools upstream
10:45<KyleXY>I'll toy with it later probably
10:45<XReaper>Nicv: have a look in there for the OS you are using
10:46<KyleXY>XReaper: :: Replace udev with core/systemd-tools? [Y/n]
10:46<KyleXY>XReaper: seems like that's now :p
10:46<XReaper>udev got merged
10:46<XReaper>note: you are still using sysvinit
10:46<Nicv>ok, thanks
10:46<Nicv>is it the best way to use command to manage VPS?
10:47<XReaper>Nicv: yes
10:47<Nicv>found it too time consuming to manage minor configurations
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10:47<KyleXY>Nicv: Then you're doing it wrong, heh
10:47<@heckman>Nicv: that's really personal opinion, you have more control of what you do and you learn more in my opinion
10:47<Nicv>herm2026 i'm not very IT savvy
10:47<XReaper>Nicv: once you get it working, might want to put the config onto git for version control
10:47*bonjurkes had his worst job interview
10:47<KyleXY>XReaper: oh that's what I still need to do heh
10:48<Nicv>and looking to setup a company & soon hire someone to manage it
10:48*KyleXY goes to hack up etckeeper
10:48<XReaper>KyleXY: not worth it
10:48<Nicv>my partner recommend me go with linode, & I spend half-day yet to manage to get it work
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10:48<XReaper>akerl said he used a nightly git -am `date` or somesuch
10:48<@heckman>Nicv: what do you need private DNS for?
10:49<KyleXY>So you're reselling, probably web hosting?
10:49<linbot>Thanks, bonjurkes! Om nom nom
10:49<@heckman>yeah, managing your own zones is fun.
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10:49<XReaper>i manage my own zones :D
10:49<Nicv>note, a branding social entreprise
10:49*KyleXY shrugs
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10:49<KyleXY>DNS is 'fun'
10:50<@heckman>I only manage my own zone files when I need to.
10:51<bonjurkes>I manage my own dns
10:51<@heckman>HE v6 tunnel PTRs is that one case
10:51<jchen>ew he tunnels
10:51<XReaper>heckman: there are dynamic authoritative only dns servers that can macro-generate PTR's
10:51<@heckman>Works great. My latency over the v6 tunnel is less from my house => Newark, than it is over native IPv4
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10:51<@heckman>Go Comcast, Go!
10:52<@heckman>XReaper: sounds like a pain to get setupped.
10:52<jchen>my vps in charlotte, NC pinged 200 to the VA BGP tunnel server
10:52<@heckman>jchen: they're routing it wrong, bro
10:52<XReaper>and python based
10:52<XReaper>i get 100ms ping to the tokyo he node from my tokyo linode.
10:53<@heckman>HE is probably routing you through CA
10:53<XReaper>everything goes through CA
10:53<XReaper>even the singaport PoP
10:53<jchen>yeah idk
10:53<jchen>they got level3 native now, so all is gud
10:53<XReaper>i'm on 6to4 20ms away atm
10:53<XReaper>dodgy as heck
10:54<XReaper>but idc
10:54<jchen>gotta get dat /64 for vanity irc host you know what im sayin
10:55<XReaper>i use a /56 for that. problem?
10:55<Nicv>ok, try setting the private nameserver
10:55<XReaper>vanity ip :Newark, NJ, USA
10:55<XReaper>* [XReaper] 2400:8900:e001:500::dead:cafe
10:55<XReaper>that grabbed an extra line... wtf
10:56<XReaper>also the whois on that netblock is effed
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11:00<Nicv>can I check how do we measure how a VPS can support how many user at once?
11:00<Nicv>and when is time we need to upgrade should the server got overloaded?
11:00<XReaper>hmm? if you want to load test it i've used
11:00<jchen>oooh, i need to set up a dead beef
11:01<@heckman>Nicv: you'll just need to monitor your memory and internal storage usage.
11:01<@heckman>You can do that with the "free -m" and "df -h" commands, respectively.
11:01<Nicv>as it is more of social network, i'm concern if the VPS is able to manage the load
11:01<XReaper>heckman: if i go 'bill me annually' they charge me straight away?
11:01<@heckman>But it's not going to print out a specific number of users that can be supported, as there are too many variables to even give a ballpark figure.
11:01<Nicv>how do we do calculation?
11:01<@heckman>Nicv: trial and error, really.
11:02<@heckman>You can use different benchmark tools to get an idea, like siege, or ap. Amongst others. But the real test is how it does in production.
11:02<@heckman>XReaper: yeah, or you could just wait for it to do the needful on its own.
11:02<XReaper>heckman: oh cool
11:02<@heckman>Sorry, I meant ab (ApacheBench) not ap.
11:03<XReaper>i'm converting two of my nodes to an annual to save worrying about monthlies
11:04<@heckman>If you've not been charged yet, it's easier to just have us do the conversion before you get charged.
11:04<@heckman>We need to do it by hand, anyhow.
11:04<XReaper>haven't been charged yet
11:04<XReaper>that happens tomorrow
11:05<@heckman>How tomorrow? o_O
11:05<Nicv>how efficient is Facebook server?
11:05<XReaper>heckman: GMT +10
11:05<XReaper>meant today
11:05<XReaper>around midday normally
11:05<@heckman>Nicv: Facebook server?
11:06<Nicv>the structure design looks so important for user experience
11:06<Nicv>yes, FB server
11:07<CornishPasty>I'm scheduled for a migration soon, is it possible to get upgraded at the same time?
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11:07<Nicv>where can i read more, i try search but couldnt get much of how FB or Google design their server
11:07<kbar>11:07 -!- JE3jA6sg [jchen@2605:4500:2:2532::bad:a55]
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11:07<jchen>ok how cool am i
11:08<Nicv>i've setup NSD, and register the Domain Nameserver to
11:08<jchen>akerl just jelly
11:08<Katana>fb and google keep their secrets close
11:08<@heckman>Nicv: not sure they've released too much about that ^
11:08<CornishPasty>Katana: and their enemies even closer!
11:09<@heckman>CornishPasty: you can resize now, which will migrate you to a new host. Just poke the ticket and let them know you resized.
11:09<Katana>last I knew google ran on custom webservers, a custom rdbms, and very secretly designed software
11:09<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Resizing a Linode <>
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11:09<CornishPasty>heckman: ah cool
11:09<CornishPasty>Was thinking of doing it this weekend since it's a bank holiday +1
11:09<Nicv>if we've NSD, then do we need to setup DNS?
11:10<hawk>Nicv: What do you mean by "set up dns"?
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11:10<KyleXY>Katana: I want to say when they plug in another storage unit it auto configures itself, heh
11:11<Nicv>setup DNS Manager - add a domain zone
11:11<@heckman>Nicv: no
11:11<Katana>KyleXY: ehhhh..
11:11<KyleXY>DNS Manager != your own "private dns"
11:11<XReaper>now... ticket per node or get it done in one heap...
11:11<@akerl>XReaper: To adjust billing?
11:12<@akerl>One ticket kthnx
11:12<XReaper>only on two nodes
11:12<Nicv>i've setup NSD, and register the Domain Nameserver to &
11:12<Nicv>but couldn't save
11:12<@heckman>Because you probably need two unique IP addresses.
11:12<XReaper>Nicv: that's ok
11:12<hawk>Couldn't save what?
11:13<Nicv>i try to change the DOMAIN.COM Nameserver to &, but fail to save
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11:13<@heckman>Nicv: are you using the same IP address for both?
11:13<Nicv>can we use just 1 IP?
11:13<XReaper>no, needs two ip's
11:13<hawk>Nicv: Do they say why you can't save it?
11:13<@akerl>Nicv: Why do you want to run your own nameservers rather than use the Linode DNS Manager?
11:14<KyleXY>akerl: "branding"
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11:14<Nicv>Invalid Data Rejected
11:14<@akerl>Nobody is looking at your nameservers for branding
11:14<KyleXY>akerl: Beats me
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11:15<Nicv>i do :D
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11:15<Nicv>ok, can already
11:16<Katana>so...instead of spending your time working on database backups, server security,'re putzing around with DNS?
11:16<Katana>priorities much?
11:16<KyleXY>heckman: is that even a valid reason for getting another IP? heh
11:16<@heckman>Nicv: no
11:16<Nicv>i need a right start
11:16<@heckman>Er KyleXY no
11:16<KyleXY>heckman: so then, pointless in the end
11:16<Nicv>i've register another IP and ok
11:16<@heckman>Second Linode in a different facility
11:16<@heckman>Geographic/Network redundancy, baby!
11:16<KyleXY>Nicv: they won't give you another IP for this reasoning :p
11:17<@heckman>Nicv: do you run the server behind the other IP address?
11:17<KyleXY>heckman: eh, this is going to be a long day for him :p
11:17<Katana>heckman: can i has 9001 ips?
11:17<rnowak>Katana: urmom stole them all
11:17<Katana>DAMN IT ALL
11:17<@heckman>Me as well. I was up late with severe stomach pains due to lava hotsauce.
11:17<Katana>heckman: sriracha?
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11:18<jchen>sriracha is gud but it's not hot
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11:18<Katana>sriracha is good flavorrrrr
11:18<XReaper>bam done.
11:18<jchen>beesting is amazing tho
11:18<Katana>personally prefer cholula for mexican stuff
11:19<Nicv>i've the other IP, just never use
11:19<KyleXY>Nicv: heh? You just got a linode and already have a second IP?
11:19<@heckman>Nicv: Is this on a Linode, or elsewhere?
11:19*KyleXY is a tad lost
11:19<rnowak>ha ha ha
11:19<jchen>yeah cholula is pretty darn good
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11:20<Nicv>btw, what is the max email blast a VPS can support?
11:20<KyleXY>heckman: I'm tempted to order a bottle
11:20<@heckman>Nicv: there is no number
11:20<KyleXY>Nicv: ... until you run out of resources? heh
11:20<Nicv>no limit?
11:20<@heckman>Nicv: just make sure your mailing list is opt-in, preferably double, and that you have clear opt-out policies
11:20<Katana>if you get blacklisted by the various webmail providers you're on your own
11:21<Katana>also CAN-SPAM act applies
11:21<@heckman>Nicv: the limit is your resources
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11:22<Nicv>i've opt-in, but most email bounce as the users register few months back
11:22<Nicv>and it cause issue on sharehosting
11:22<@heckman>Then you should probably remove them.
11:22<XReaper><3 linode
11:22<XReaper>1 minute and i get response :D
11:22<@akerl>That sounds like "I'm spamming, but sshhh"
11:22<KyleXY>XReaper: they were waiting :p
11:22<Katana> <- violate and you can get in loads of trouble
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11:22<KyleXY>akerl: heh
11:22<XReaper>akerl: you do nightly git backups of /etc with arch don't you?
11:23<XReaper>just wondering if i should just do it locally or to an external server
11:23<jchen>i go hard
11:23<jchen>no backups
11:23<Nicv>ya, trying to
11:23<rnowak>you go hard nightly?
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11:23<KyleXY>Nicv: you're trying to spam..?
11:23<KyleXY>rovo: hola
11:23<@akerl>I do both. If you're version controlling it, having multiple mirrors is an easy thing.
11:24<rovo>I just provisioned a new Linode, but it's not letting me SSH in, is this typical for the first 20 minutes or so?
11:24<rnowak>be careful githubbing your /etc
11:24<@heckman>rovo: did you boot it?
11:24<KyleXY>rovo: ^^
11:24<XReaper>rovo: need to boot it
11:24<KyleXY>heckman: damn you ninja
11:24*Katana posts everything
11:24<rovo>heckman: OMG
11:24<rovo>is that new?
11:24<KyleXY>rovo: hahah
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11:24<rnowak>OH EM GEE
11:24<@akerl>git commit -am "Auto: $(date)" ; for repo in "my list of junk" ; do git push $repo master ; done
11:24<@akerl>XReaper: ^
11:24<rovo>what a dope I am
11:24<@heckman>"I just bought my computer, but there's nothing on the screen'
11:24<KyleXY>You always gotta boot it after you create from image
11:24<@akerl>So I push local and remote
11:24<@heckman>"Did you turn it on?"
11:24<rnowak>is it plugged in?
11:25<rovo>Well thank you everyone, for showing me the way
11:25<Nicv>most email bounce due to mailbox quota limit, and it cause question on spamming
11:25<rnowak>praetorian says you're welcome
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11:25<@akerl>Nicv: I do not believe this
11:25<Katana>...yeah you're gonna get blacklisted
11:25<rnowak>Nicv: you need to log bounce messages and remove them from your lists
11:25*KyleXY gets the popcorn
11:25<@akerl>Nicv: What are you emailing *about*?
11:25<Nicv>the ex-component fail to support auto-removing
11:25<@heckman>Make your life easy, give each recipient a uniqe ID number and insert that in the e-mail header. Just gank it out when someone bounces.
11:25*KyleXY hands some to rnowak
11:26<rnowak>Nicv: irrelevant, you need to do it
11:26<@heckman>unique even.
11:26<Nicv>property marketing
11:26<Katana>WHOO SPAM
11:26<XReaper>Nicv: need to make the mail-server tight
11:26<rnowak>heckman: you mean... dun dun dun dun... like a Message-Id header?
11:26<XReaper>there are standards
11:26<@akerl>Nicv: You do not get to use "It is difficult for me to do $this" to get out of setting things up properly.
11:26<Katana>Yeah if you don't auto-remove them you're gonna get spam-foldered by gmail, yahoo, hotmail, and everyone else
11:26<@heckman>rnowak: I was thinking "X-Subscriber"
11:27<XReaper>Nicv: do it wrong, and you can get your butt kicked
11:27<Nicv>ya, that why need my partner to come in to auto-remove
11:27<rnowak>heckman: ah
11:27<Nicv>my skill not good
11:27<@akerl>As the person sending bulk messages, the burden is on you, as the sender, to properly maintain the list of people who are, and are *not*, receiving
11:27<XReaper>yeah, get someone to help you set it up properly if that's your wish
11:27<XReaper>still be involved though, you will learn lots
11:28<Nicv>brain not good
11:28<Nicv>can learn, but basic can follow
11:28<Nicv>i'm more of marketing people
11:28<rovo>If I setup another IP and add IP Failover...can that be setup to go to a different dataCenter, or will it be the same one?
11:28<@akerl>rovo: Same only
11:29<@akerl>IPs are specific to a datacenter
11:29<rnowak>Nicv: then get someone that knows how to do this properly
11:29<rovo>akerl: so when I buy an additional IP address...the only option is one from the same datacenter?
11:29<@heckman>rovo: yes
11:30<rovo>So what does this help with then?
11:30<rovo>Just load balancing?
11:30<rnowak>failover within the same datacenter
11:30<@heckman>Or failing over in the same datacenter.
11:30<@heckman>Hardware isn't magic
11:30<@akerl>rovo: What problem are you trying to solve that it does not solve?
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11:30<rnowak>but... I've seen the magic smoke
11:30<Nicv>how do i delete file?
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11:30<Katana>rnowak: that wasn't magic smoke
11:30<@heckman>Yeah, I hate how magic smoke just...hovers
11:30<Nicv>on command
11:30<Katana>rnowak: that was dope
11:30<rovo>I'm just wondering if this would provide some kind of redudancy
11:31<@akerl>Yes, you can use it for high availability within a single datacenter
11:31<rovo>Do you use the IP failover with the NodeBalancers?
11:31<@akerl>If you want geographic high availability, you'll need to do something at a higher level (DNS, etc)
11:31<@akerl>NodeBalancers are highly available
11:31<@heckman>within the same DC. :p
11:32<rovo>akerl: to make use NodeBalancers, can you spread that across multiple Linodes?
11:32<rovo>If say I add another Linode to the account?
11:32<KyleXY>in the same datacenter
11:32<KyleXY>Nodebalancers require that linodes be in the same datacenter as well,
11:32<@heckman>And have a private IP address assigned and up
11:33<KyleXY>(they talk to your Linode over the private IP)
11:33<@heckman>!library NodeBalancer
11:33<linbot>heckman: 1. NodeBalancer Reference Guide - | 2. Getting Started with NodeBalancers - | 3. Billing and Payments -
11:33<@heckman>The first two articles are good reads
11:33<rovo>heckman: thank you
11:33<rovo>will read that
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11:33<rovo>so...i guess I am fuddled in the different use scenarios for ip failover and node balancer
11:33<@akerl>rovo: The NodeBalancer itself is highly available, so if there's a hardware issue the NodeBalancer will fail over transparently and keep working. It also handles your own high availability with your backends. You add however many backends, if one goes down, it gets marked as such and requests are sent elsewhere
11:33<KyleXY>Nodebalancers "just work" heh
11:34<Katana>until the NB breaks :D
11:34<KyleXY>Katana: read akerl's statement
11:34<XReaper>Well that did me out of $573 :D
11:34<KyleXY>they don't "just break"
11:34<Nicv>how to uninstall software?
11:34<KyleXY>Nicv: Distro?
11:35<KyleXY>Nicv: sudo apt-get remove package-name-here
11:36<Nicv>i think i better get my partner to do this
11:36<KyleXY>And I hope you do it right, for your sake.
11:36<Nicv>yup, doing it right
11:36<Nicv>but not very effective
11:36<Nicv>lucky steve job design the GUI
11:37<@heckman>Did he design the bugs in the GUI too?
11:37<jchen>ooooh burn
11:37<Nicv>for me, it is more of production
11:37<@heckman>Nah not a burn, I just get wigged out by the UI oddities in OS X
11:38<@heckman>Obvious bugs, that just kind of lurk for awhile
11:38<jchen>i used to not like macs. I still don't like apple, but after forced use for a couple of weeks i'm warming up. but yeah i agree there are a number of design decisions that are decidedly bad. especially for power users
11:38<Nicv>u guys are hard-coder
11:38<XReaper>jchen: they allow other OSes at least
11:39<rnowak>heckman: that's an adverb you're not looking for
11:39<@heckman>Oh, you've not gotten to the bugs yet. Those are just quirks of the OS.
11:39<Katana>heckman: you mean the kinds of bugs that annoy the hell out of you?
11:39<@heckman>Katana: only if you're OCD and notice things like that.
11:39<Katana>heckman: power users are OCD
11:39<XReaper>heckman: i hope my money gets put to good use... like keeping you in a job :P
11:39<hawk>heckman: Tell us about all of the bugs!
11:39<rovo>Do you guys recall the name of that newer lighter instance of Apache?
11:39<rnowak>rovo: :|
11:40<@heckman>You mean the Nginx webserver, which isn't Apache...
11:40<rovo>haha, no
11:40<Katana>what, the new MPM?
11:40<hawk>rovo: Are you talking about a different mpm?
11:40<XReaper>Cherokee looks promising
11:40<XReaper>is it worth a look?
11:40<rnowak>or lighttpd ):
11:40<rnowak>but that's like ):
11:40<Katana>lighty is pain
11:40<XReaper>very :(
11:40<rovo>maybe it was Cordova?
11:40<hawk>rovo: The event mpm maybe?
11:40<rovo>I forget
11:41<Katana>lighty makes me want to lighty the devs alighty
11:41<rnowak>apache cordova is not a webserver ):
11:41<rovo>ah, your right
11:41<rnowak>my right?
11:41<rovo>argh, i forget, maybe it is Cherokee then...
11:41<rovo>rnowak: no your left
11:41<rnowak>oh ok
11:41<XReaper>i dosed myself up on painkillers and caffeine today... unfortunate side-effect: still wide awake at 2am :(
11:41<Katana>rnowak is slightly to the left and above center actually
11:42<rnowak>XReaper: to the dismay of everyone
11:42<rovo>that's great, lefty eh
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11:43<auraka>rnowak: go create nc account so i can push this to you slacker
11:43<rovo>I guess I was really just thinking of the latest version of Apache, whatever it is, compared to Nginx
11:43<auraka>XReaper: no cherokee is not worth a look
11:44<rnowak>auraka: this is an automated response message. Mowak is not here right now.
11:44<XReaper>i'll stick with ngin
11:44<rovo>when they had released 2.4 , it was supposed to be more comparable to Nginx
11:44<auraka>rnowak: :-/
11:44<rovo>XReaper: amen
11:44<XReaper>apache let me be lazy
11:44<jchen>you dos'ed yourself?
11:44<rnowak>auraka: ok ok ok
11:45<rnowak>hit by a smooth apostrophe
11:45<rnowak>!apostrophes' can't believe akerl removed this one
11:47<linbot>'ow wit' mo' 'postr'phe's'!
11:47<rnowak>is that you?
11:48<rnowak>it looks a bit like something EugeneKay would add
11:48<@akerl>I didn't add that one, but if memory serves I cut down a stack of a'p'o'st... terms to 1
11:48<@akerl>Patches welcome :)
11:48<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:48<EugeneKay>If I'm being pinged this early in the morning it better be about bacon
11:48<rnowak>my apostrophe's was far better tbh
11:49<rnowak>yeah it got removed too ):
11:49<EugeneKay>!apropos postro
11:49<linbot>EugeneKay: apostrophe
11:49<Nicv>apache, database & PHP done
11:49<Nicv>what is next step to host the site?
11:49<@akerl>Step 1 is remove PHP (:
11:49<nisseni> - I did this guide and just putting an index.php with hello world in it, but it doesn't work
11:50<nisseni>when I enter the ip address
11:50<@akerl>nisseni: What's your IP>
11:50<KyleXY>jchen: At least tell me you're using iTerm2 :p
11:50<jchen>i am
11:50<@akerl>KyleXY: Is there another terminal available for Macs?
11:51<nisseni>akerl: ^
11:51<@heckman> :p
11:51<KyleXY>akerl: iirc, dwfreed said he had the original iTerm on his Mac, heh
11:51<@akerl>nisseni: Looks like your apache document root isn't set up right
11:51<@akerl>heckman: heh
11:52<nisseni>akerl: hmm, should the public directory be in /home or /home/myuser ?
11:52<nisseni>ok, then that's correct
11:52<nisseni>so document root you say :)
11:52<@heckman>akerl: not following that article. :P
11:52<@akerl>heckman: Indeed :)
11:53<bonjurkes>wub wub wubü
11:53<@akerl>nisseni: Run apache2ctl -S and put it in a pastebin?
11:53<@akerl>(I think that's the command, I can never remember)
11:53<@heckman>akerl: looks right to me
11:55<XReaper>Isn't stuff like a2ensite deb/untu specific
11:55<nisseni>akerl: have in mind that it's the very first time I deal with stuff like this
11:55<nisseni>sometime has to be the first
11:55<XReaper>nisseni: that's cool :D
11:55<bonjurkes>hawk typo
11:56<@akerl>nisseni: Now pastebin `cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/`
11:56<@akerl>I lied, `cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/`
11:56<hawk>bonjurkes: I thought it was the new hip thing :(
11:56<@akerl>rnowak: Sadness?
11:57<rnowak>akerl: much
11:57<@akerl>You should try caffeine. It always cures my sadness
11:58<auraka>akerl: have you ever tried quitting caffine. The headaches were horrible.
11:58<Katana>rnowak should try php
11:58<nisseni>akerl: cat: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ No such file or directory
11:58<rnowak>akerl: I am nomming on a delicious espresso, but even then the sadness is too strong to overcome
11:58*Katana ducks
11:58<auraka>I have up after the first day
11:58<Katana>I know the classic way to cure rnowak's sadness - piss him off :>
11:58<@akerl>nisseni: Yea, I typoed. Try the second one I provided?
11:59<rnowak>Katana: be nice or I will delete all your animes
11:59<@akerl>auraka: I have. As of last week, I imbibe a 2 liter of soda + monster over the course of a night
11:59<Katana>rnowak: i have backups
11:59<rnowak>Katana: or do you
11:59<Katana>rnowak: also the internet has more
11:59<auraka>akerl: heh
12:00<Katana>and and and also i'll delete your postgres rnowak
12:00<Katana>i'll force you onto MS Access
12:00<auraka>Katana: force? That is his forte.
12:00<Katana>auraka: he's probably in shock right now, hush
12:01<rnowak>Katana: I'll replace your sqlite with msaccess
12:01<Katana>rnowak: i won't notice
12:01<nisseni>akerl: found an error immediately, I had written public_html in the file - however, changing that to public I get a new result:
12:01<Katana>mainly because my box has mysql installed, and I have yet to toss postgres on there to test it out
12:02<auraka>rnowak: I will replace your linodes with a rack***** slices
12:02*auraka = win
12:02<rnowak>Katana: msaccess performs better than mysql, it would be an upgrade
12:03<Katana>so then, how would it hurt me
12:03<Katana>you're not doing to well here
12:04<rnowak>why do you think I want to hurt you? you're so aggressiv
12:04<rnowak>deleting all your anime would be for your own good too
12:04<Katana>I'M SO CONFUSED
12:05<auraka>rnowak: especially since he watches crap anime anyway
12:06<Katana>auraka: ὸ.ό
12:06*bonjurkes hates invoices
12:06<bonjurkes>outstanding balance is huge warning at panel
12:06<@heckman>It'll go away eventually
12:06<nisseni>woha, got it working!!
12:07<bonjurkes>why does CVV is optional at manager? isnt it required info?
12:07<Katana>depends on the card
12:07<auraka>heckman: linode brazil...when?
12:07<bonjurkes>Katana my card has cvv but I just managed to pay it without typing it
12:07<@heckman>bonjurkes: we don't store the CVV
12:08<@heckman>It really depends on the policies of your card issuer
12:08<bonjurkes>heckman but you dont need it also, cvv is added for security right?
12:08<bonjurkes>it is the first time that I saw cvv is optional
12:08<bonjurkes>and doesn't Linode do auto charge from card?
12:08<@heckman>We do auto charge
12:08<@heckman>It's a two-step process.
12:08<rnowak>CVV is not required
12:08<bonjurkes>heckam two step like what?
12:08<@heckman>Invoices are generated, and then all cards are charged. The second step takes quite a bit longer.
12:08<bonjurkes>rnowak cvv is added for security on cards
12:09<mwalling>bonjurkes: it is optional
12:09<rnowak>ok, good job, they are not required
12:09<Nicv>my first website on linode succeed
12:09<Nicv>the documentation is not right
12:09<mwalling>bonjurkes: i didn't know you worked for a card issuer or a payment gateway and knew the neuances of authorization methods
12:09<bonjurkes>mwalling I didnt know you work there either
12:10<bonjurkes>I am using my credit card more than 8 years on internet and it's the first time cvv is optional
12:10<mwalling>you seem to be an authority on the requirement of cvv though
12:10<Nicv>should a site host on root or home?
12:10<bonjurkes>nicv home ofc
12:10<bonjurkes>mwalling wondering why it concerns you that much
12:10<Katana>bonjurkes: there are people here that work for the CC companies
12:10<Nicv>why home and not root?
12:10<@heckman>bonjurkes: CVV is optional, some card companies require it for internet transactions, most don't
12:10<bonjurkes>katana so?
12:10<Katana>so uh, watch your ignorance
12:10<@heckman>Lots of companies require it, for whatever reason. But it is entirely optional.
12:10<bonjurkes>katana ignorance is bliss
12:11<mwalling>oh, so we're all ignorant?
12:11<Katana>ignorance leads to foot in mouth disorder
12:11<mwalling>good to know
12:11<@heckman>Nicv: the best place, really, for a website is /srv/www/<domain>/public_html (or something similar)
12:11<bonjurkes>cant I remove my cc info from linode manager?
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12:11<rovo>heckman: why is that the best place?
12:11<@heckman>But placing it in a home folder of a non-root user, makes it so you don't have to be root.
12:11<Nicv>why home and not root?
12:11<Katana>heckman: that _html makes me sad :(
12:11<Nicv>how do i go to home?
12:11<@heckman>Katana: I personally prefer htdocs
12:11<rovo>why that and not var/www ?
12:12<bonjurkes>god sake, anything is okay except /root
12:12<rnowak>heckman: ^5, htdocs4lyfe
12:12<Katana>rovo: distros mess with /var/ more often than /srv
12:12<@heckman>rovo: because /var is not the place based on the FHS
12:12*bonjurkes will update his cc info on account because he doesnt trust on linode
12:12<@heckman>"/srv" is site-specific information served by the system
12:12<rovo>neat to know...i'm learning something
12:13<Nicv>holly shit, then i create that on root
12:13<@heckman>Nicv: log in as that user, and you're in their home folder
12:13<bonjurkes>nicv dont create anything in root
12:13<mwalling>bonjurkes: 4 followed by 15 1's will validate the luhn checksum
12:13<rovo>also, I'm going to setup a Git repo on my server, where would you say is the best place for that? in Home?
12:13<Katana>rovo: apt-get install gitolite
12:13<rnowak>rovo: depends for what purpose
12:13<Katana>rovo: it'll handle it
12:13<bonjurkes>mwalling I will put my virtual cc
12:13<@heckman>bonjurkes: why do you want to remove the card?
12:13<XReaper>rovo: gitolite is cool
12:14<bonjurkes>heckman techincally someone logs into my account can load 1000 bucks to my linode account
12:14<XReaper>uses ssh doesn't it?
12:14<rovo>I'll check that out...but where is it storing it
12:14<@heckman>bonjurkes: use a strong password
12:14<bonjurkes>because your damn system doesnt ask for verification
12:14<bonjurkes>heckman just like at bitcoin issue right?
12:14<XReaper>rovo: i think it makes repos in your home dir
12:14<@heckman>bonjurkes: do you think someone is going to log in to your account to add money to mess with you? o_O
12:15<rnowak>I log in to akerl's account every weekend and buy him a pizza
12:15<bonjurkes>heckman do you believe that they will write "I am gay" on other's account when he leave it open around ? But unfortunately they do
12:15<bonjurkes>rnowak why dont you login to my account and pay my invoices?
12:16<mwalling>bonjurkes: ok, i will. using your credit card
12:16<auraka>tin foil, get your tin foil here! Great for hats, tin foil only $10 a roll!
12:16<Katana>auraka: three rolls please
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12:16<bonjurkes>mwalling yeah with the 1111 in it
12:16<Katana>auraka: charge it to this feller here
12:17<mwalling>bonjurkes: nah, i'll hack into your house and scan your paypass by inducing currents in your floppy drive
12:17<bonjurkes>mwalling then I will just cut your throat then
12:17<mwalling>is that a death threat?
12:17<bonjurkes>It is how that stuff works at turkey
12:17<bonjurkes>nah just telling the procedure
12:17<Katana>sounded like a threat
12:17<nisseni>akerl: now I want to create a subdomain for like do I follow the same steps?
12:17<mwalling>i heard a threat
12:17<Katana>bonjurkes: you want to be real careful right about now.
12:17<XReaper>nisseni: yessum
12:17*bonjurkes is a badass
12:18<bonjurkes>katana why?
12:18<mwalling>Katana: shhhh
12:18<bonjurkes>katana will you run after me?
12:18<Katana>bonjurkes: Because you're making a very big ass of yourself and karma is one HELL of a bitch
12:18<nisseni>XReaper: I have made A-points from my registrar on * and www, do I have to remove the point from * in order for a subdomain to work?
12:18*bonjurkes feels scared but then he realizes that he doesn't give a f...
12:19<XReaper>nisseni: nope
12:19<Nicv>i try create directory on home folder, but why it said "user is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported"
12:19<Katana>Kids these days
12:19<XReaper>nisseni: is the * pointed at your linode?
12:19<nisseni>XReaper: yes
12:19<bonjurkes>katana that's what people tell you right?
12:19<XReaper>just set up a vhost then
12:19<XReaper>no need to add more records
12:20<nisseni>XReaper: like so: ?
12:20<rnowak>I go to make a coffee, and what do I come back to? Some barbaric death threats ):
12:20<bonjurkes>so anyways how does that automatic payment stuff works? I had my cc on the account but will it auto charge after some day?
12:20<XReaper>nisseni: yes
12:20<@heckman>bonjurkes: I already explained it
12:20<bonjurkes>rnowak you missed the drama
12:20<Nicv>i try create directory on home folder, but why it said "user is not in the sudoers file. this incident will be reported"
12:20<XReaper>just skip the step for adding dns records
12:20<Nicv>seems like my user account don't admin rights
12:20<@heckman>Nicv: the user that you're doing it as doesn't have sudo access
12:20<auraka>heckman: grab the pop-up book and Mr Explanation sock puppet
12:20<nisseni>XReaper: so I did, but when I'm going to enable site, I get ...does not exist!
12:21<bonjurkes>heckman can you explain then again?
12:21<bonjurkes>does it auto charge my cc at the last day of invoice?
12:21<nisseni>XReaper: where doesn't it exist? :)
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12:21<bonjurkes>heckman smart mov3e
12:21<Nicv>how do i get sudo access???
12:22<XReaper>Nicv: you need to log in as root and set up sudo
12:22<@heckman>It's in the top section of this:
12:22<@heckman>Should work on Ubuntu
12:23<XReaper>on arch it read like: pacman -S sudo... and so on
12:24<Nicv>i remember doing that
12:25<nisseni>XReaper: servername = right?
12:25<XReaper>nisseni: yup
12:25<XReaper>which subdomain are you testing?
12:25<XReaper>need to reload apache as well, i guess you did that
12:25<Nicv>is apache installation is across whole server?
12:25<Nicv>do we need to reinstall on home directory?
12:25<nisseni>XReaper: yes, tried that
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12:26<nisseni>XReaper: the subdomain is
12:26<XReaper>you using NameVirtualHost?
12:26<XReaper>or whatever it is
12:26<XReaper>for the ip
12:26<Gnintendo>good morning
12:27<nisseni>XReaper: I believe so
12:28<XReaper>does index.html exist
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12:33<nisseni>XReaper: found the reason
12:33<nisseni>I created the file in sites-enabled not -available
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12:33<nisseni>so how do I delete the file without crashing the center of london?
12:34<XReaper>you put your files in -available and run a2ensite
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12:34<nisseni>or removing to much :)
12:34<nisseni>XReaper: yeah, but I first have to remove it from -enabled
12:34<nisseni>it won't override it
12:34<XReaper>or mv file ../sites-available
12:34<XReaper>with a / at the end
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12:35<Gnintendo>I'm trying to test my PHP installation, but I'm getting 404 not found, which would seem to indicate nginx isn't even done correctly:
12:35<rnowak>Gnintendo: paste your nginx configuration
12:35<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
12:36<Nicv>wow, really take time to just setup another server
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12:37<Nicv>i delete the root folder by file client, will it cause problem?
12:37<auraka>wow....I just saw a Linode ad in the wild....creepy
12:37<Gnintendo>that's my nginx configuration ^
12:37<Gnintendo>that's in the /etc/nginx/sites-available/ file
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12:38<Gnintendo>which is linked to a file in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled
12:38<auraka>heckman: You guys should have hired the guy from Christian Childrens Fund..."For only $.65 a day you too can adopt a Linode"
12:39<bonjurkes>gnintendo how is it going with ipv6
12:39<Gnintendo>bonjurkes: fine, just trying to get the web server working
12:39<rnowak>Gnintendo: try_files $uri =404;
12:39<rnowak>Gnintendo: that line is probably causing the problem
12:39<Gnintendo>rnowak: mmm, they said to add that to prevent a security whole?
12:40<Gnintendo>by they, I mean the LEMP tutorial
12:41<Gnintendo>Do the nginx configuration files allow comments?
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12:41<rnowak>Gnintendo: that's right, did you reload the configuration? it looks ok
12:41<Gnintendo>how do I reload the configuration?
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12:41<rnowak> /etc/init.d/nginx reload
12:42<Gnintendo>rnowak: doesn't help
12:43<KyleXY>How does that not help?
12:43<Gnintendo>rnowak: commenting out that line fixes it
12:43<KyleXY>Oh that
12:43<rnowak>ah, right
12:43<KyleXY>ok heh
12:43<Gnintendo>all I did was comment out that try files directive
12:43<CornishPasty>rnowak: change MAJOR_VER to 1 :P
12:43<Gnintendo>but, according to a bunch of things, I *need* that to prevent a major security hole
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12:44<rnowak>Gnintendo: is your document root in nginx set to the directory where your php files are?
12:45<rnowak>that is, is the nginx root pointing to the directory that has test.php in it right now
12:45<Gnintendo>how would I know that if not from the configuration?
12:46<rnowak>if you have not, try setting it
12:46<rnowak>the try_files directive would fail otherwise as it would look in nginx's default html directory
12:46<rnowak>and there's no test.php to be had, so it returns 404
12:46<Nicv>how to unzip file?
12:46<KyleXY>sudo apt-get install unzip
12:46<KyleXY>then unzip
12:47<Gnintendo>rnowak: OK, so, how exactly do I set it?
12:47<Nicv>i put the folder on home/public/user/domain/....
12:47<Gnintendo>(also, this should probably be added to the LEMP tutorial....)
12:47<rnowak>Gnintendo: do you see line 9? move it out of that location block
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12:47<Nicv>and i try unzip /home/public/user/domain/.2026 but failed
12:47<rnowak>Gnintendo: move it outside of that block, to line 7
12:47<Nicv>it said couldn't open lock file
12:47<rnowak>(in your vhost configuration)
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12:48<Gnintendo>move the try files directive, you mean?
12:48<rnowak>Gnintendo: since the block that was matched is location ~\.php$ and not location /, the directives in that block were not applied
12:48<Nicv>annot find zipfile directory in one of
12:48<rnowak>line 9, to line 7
12:49<Nicv>what should be the directory?
12:49<Nicv>should include home/user/public/domain
12:50<Nicv>i know why
12:50<Nicv>file not yet fully upload
12:50<linbot>IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please.
12:51<rnowak>Gnintendo: figured what I meant?
12:51<Gnintendo>rnowak: Yeah, that fixed it
12:51<Gnintendo>now works /with/ the try files directive
12:51<rnowak>yep, as now nginx knows where to look for the file correctly
12:52<linbot>Read the hints at to see how you can improve your nginx configuration.
12:52<Nicv>ok can
12:52<Nicv>how do i install GBLib?
12:52<KyleXY>read README?
12:53<rnowak>and then google, and after you've put in some effort on your own, ask
12:53<Katana>Gnintendo: <- note the cgi. setting in there
12:54<Nicv>i google, but doesn't seem to be helpful
12:54<Katana>!google gblib installation
12:54<rnowak>you'll need to learn to construct better search queries then
12:54<linbot>Katana: First results with the Gigabit Link Interface Board (GLIB): <>; A hardware emulator for system testing: <>; The Gigabit Link Interface Board (GLIB), a flexible system for the ...: (2 more messages)
12:55<Nicv>sudo apt-get install php5-gd i test, but not sure what it install
12:55<Katana>...did you mean GD lib?
12:55<Gnintendo>Katana: but I'm covering that with the try files directive, aren't I?
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12:55<Katana>Gnintendo: sure - i personally prefer the php.ini method myself though
12:55<rnowak>there's nothing wrong with specifying the absolute path there instead of the variable
12:55<Katana>i do fun things with 404's sometimes :3
12:55<Nicv>yes, GD Lib
12:55<rnowak>repetitive? maybe, but that's as "bad" as it is
12:56<rnowak>!google ubuntu install php gdlib
12:56<linbot>rnowak: Ubuntu Linux install or add php gd support to Apache: <>; Install the PHP GD Library on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx » Help Desk ...: <>; HOW TO INSTALL GD LIBRARY PHP 5 UBUNTU SSH PUTTY ...: < (2 more messages)
12:56<rnowak>Nicv: it really isn't that hard
12:57<Nicv>i google gdlib linode
12:57<rnowak>ignore that it is running on a linode
12:57<Nicv>how to check it is running on linode?
12:57<rnowak>you can treat it for most intents and purposes as if you're running just ubuntu on a physical server
12:58<Gnintendo>ok so
12:58<Gnintendo>that should complete my LEMP install ^.^
12:58<Gnintendo>now, to find something cool to try out for fun
12:58<Katana>Gnintendo: now break it
12:58<rnowak>Gnintendo: the M stands for middleware and p for postgresql yes?
12:58*Gnintendo eyerolls
12:59<Katana>the p stands for "pornsql"
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13:00<staticsafe>actually it stands for perl *trollface*
13:00<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
13:00<Nicv>command is not high, but remember it is hard
13:01<CornishPasty>LEPPER - Linux nginx Postgres Portable Enterprise Ruby
13:01<Katana>did you seriously just mention enterprise
13:01<Katana>what are you doing
13:01<CornishPasty>Katana: it's a kind of ruby
13:01<EugeneKay>Cocaine with a bit of meth sprinkled in
13:01<Gnintendo>somebody suggest some cool open source web projects for me to try out my LEMP install on
13:01<Katana>you're going to summon amitz, you fool!
13:01*CornishPasty summons amitz
13:02<Katana>Gnintendo: uh. i. erm. crap. anything but symphony
13:02<rnowak>Gnintendo: there's none in PHP, this is where you should hope that the M stands for Middleware ;p
13:02<Katana>YOU COULD HOST A BLOG WITH WORDPRESS not responsible if you get hacked
13:03<Katana>thank you for that correction EugeneKay
13:03<linbot>New news from wiki: Main Page <>
13:03<Katana>my bad.
13:04<Katana>HI HECKMAN
13:04<EugeneKay>s/contribute to/fuck up/
13:04<EugeneKay>Disclaimer: I don't have a Wiki account
13:04<Nicv>how do i unzip a file to certain folder?
13:05<EugeneKay>man unzip
13:05<rnowak>EugeneKay: kinky
13:06<Nicv>i unzip, but couldn't see it in the folder where I put zip file
13:06<EugeneKay>CornishPasty - my favorite bit:
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13:06<NewbiyNode>Hi everyone
13:07<@heckman>Katana: wat
13:07<EugeneKay>Congratulations, they get exactly as much performance as mod_php with 10x the work!
13:07<rnowak>ha ha mod_php, performance
13:07<rnowak>ha ha ha ha
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13:07<CornishPasty>EugeneKay: Yeah, but mod_php uses PHP
13:07<NewbiyNode>what's the easiest way with namecheap/linode to forward emails? So that gets sent to my personal email?
13:07<EugeneKay>CornishPasty - at leat PHP doesn't sound like the title to a Benny Hill episode
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13:08<rnowak>NewbiyNode: do you mind using google apps for it? if not, probably the easiest as it means you do not have to maintain any system yourself for it
13:08<Katana>heckman: we saw what you did there
13:08<NewbiyNode>@rnowak Can google apps be set up to simply forward instead of acting like a normal email?
13:08<NewbiyNode>And is it reliable?
13:09<rnowak>NewbiyNode: you can have emails forwarded yes, not sure if you can tell it not to save them in the inbox as well
13:09<nviror>Could anyone help me optimize my mysql on a 512mb?
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13:10<NewbiyNode>thanks rnowak, will consider that :)
13:10<Nicv>can some one help, unzip file, but couldn't find the unzipped file inside the folder where I put them
13:10<rnowak>Nicv: `man unzip` read the manual page
13:11<nviror>rnowak, thanks, that needs mysql to be running from 24hr. Isn't there a readymade config for 512mb plan?
13:11<CornishPasty>EugeneKay: who cares what something is called if it works?
13:11<rnowak>nviror: that's not how databases work -- there are some settings which you could alter right now, but let it run and see how it goes -- databases require continuous monitoring and changes in configuration based on usage patterns
13:12<nviror>rnowak, okay, thanks
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13:18<Nicv>can't find the unzip, but tar or gzip
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13:26<Gnintendo>there's no cool open source web projects for me to try :(
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13:41<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:41<@heckman>Gnintendo: splendid bacon
13:42<smed_>now I'm hungry
13:42<jchen>for (true) pork-roll++
13:42<smed_>I live in the town where Pork Roll was invented
13:43<smed_>and still produced
13:43<rnowak>or you just want the fame that comes with claiming such things!
13:43<smed_>so....I'm a fan.
13:44<smed_>not too many people proudly declare they're from Trenton.
13:44<smed_>if you knew anything about our little crime/gang problem....
13:45<@heckman>Those problems can be solved with pork-roll.
13:45<smed_>anyway - I'm thinking a porkroll and am. cheese omlette would hit the spot.
13:45<@heckman>I have a fever and the only prescription is more pork-roll. I gotta have more porkroll
13:45<smed_>most problems can be solved with Pork Roll!
13:46<smed_>heh - nice quote adaptation!
13:47<auraka>Who can tell me what this javascript actually does?
13:50<rnowak>I lol'd
13:51<linbot>New news from forums: Cannot access mail from iPhone or Mac Mail in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
13:51<auraka>I still have no idea wth it does besides something malicious most likely
13:51<rnowak>why don't you unwind it and have a look
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13:52<Katana>good lord
13:53<Katana>auraka: where did you find that
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13:53<nviror>mysql doesn't start after skipping innodb
13:54<rnowak>why would you skip innodb
13:54<nviror>rnowak, I'm not using it
13:54<Katana>WHY NOT
13:54<rnowak>why are you not using it
13:54<nviror>rnowak, I use myisam
13:54<rnowak>why do you use myisam
13:54<Katana>myisam is good if you don't care about your data
13:54<nviror>rnowak, go away
13:55<rnowak>suit yourself luser
13:55<Katana>mmm mmm full table locking
13:55<Katana>might as well use mongodb
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13:56<nviror>innodb is default,
13:56<Katana>one of these days I'll have to get you go help me get postgres working without relying on identd, rnowak
13:56<rnowak>Katana: whenever
13:57<Katana>i don't want it relying on shell users considering the users I have, don't have passwords (login disabled)
13:58<rnowak>you should keep the superuser as is, that is switching to the postgres system user when needing to access it as postgres
13:59<Katana>right, but then I'd like to have something akin to mysql's virtual users
14:00<Katana>that was something I got frustrated with last time I gave it a shot - ended up tossing it aside after a while, it was eating up too much time
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14:01<linbot>New news from forums: UK Cookie Law in General Discussion <>
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14:02<hawk>Mmm, cookies
14:03<auraka>Katana: it is a secret
14:03<Katana>auraka: go hand it off to the white hats
14:04<Katana>@kkotowicz on twitter might like to chew on that if you disclosed where you got it too.
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14:07<rnowak>auraka: still here?
14:08<rnowak>auraka: you're welcome
14:08<rnowak>(it eval()'s that code)
14:09<Gnintendo>I really need to "learn" PHP so I can just make something useful myself
14:10<Gnintendo>I don't even care what it is, just something easily applicable and expendable that can be used on the web
14:10<@heckman>I've seen URLs like that before, not a forum but some type of malware loader
14:11<Gnintendo>for example
14:12<Gnintendo>even a simple PHP web page implementing all the functions of gmplib to a set precision would be abundantly usefl
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14:12<Gnintendo>I'm a math and physics major, don't judge me :(
14:12<rnowak>use it
14:13<rnowak>you'll have far greater use for it in your studies or research than you will from shitty php
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14:15<Gnintendo>I guess it's time to start small
14:15*Gnintendo starts looking again for open source projects to attempt to utilize in his LEMP install
14:16<rnowak>start with python, rather than that horseshit, seriously, you will do yourself a great favor if you do so
14:16<Gnintendo>I can't build something myself if I can't even install something pre-built yet
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14:20<rnowak>Gnintendo: there's a cute wiki software for you to try
14:20<Gnintendo>I was thinking like
14:20<Gnintendo>a pastebin would be a good starting point
14:21<Gnintendo>wiki's good too, I guess...
14:21<@heckman>I've found that there are good FOSS pastebins available. Unless I am missing one.
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14:22<rnowak>there's one
14:22<rnowak>let me find it
14:23<rnowak> pretty cool -- no idea on the quality of the code though
14:24<@heckman>Hrm, all JavaScript.
14:24<marius>I loves me some javascript
14:24<@heckman>Node.js, so it's a hipster pastebin
14:24<rnowak>nodejs backend
14:24<Gnintendo>but yeah
14:24<Gnintendo>something like a pastebin is kinda what I'm looking for
14:24<qmr>I have seen a few javascript shopping checkout pages with no backend sanity checks
14:25<@heckman>Will admit, I do like the interactive-ish userface that hastebin uses.
14:25<Gnintendo>something that's functions both as something good for me to try out installing, and something that is possibly immediately useful
14:25<rnowak>wiki's more useful, by some metric of usefulness, imo ;)
14:26<@heckman>Figures out the syntax highlighting based on the shebang as well, apparently.
14:26<rnowak>heckman: it does a few other cute things too
14:26<rnowak>I'll probably port the backend to python
14:26<Gnintendo>hastebin looks kinda nice
14:26<@heckman>rnowak: yeah, I think it'd be pretty nifty in Python.
14:27<Gnintendo>automatic syntax highlighting/detection?
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14:27<@heckman>Woah, you can change the syntax highlighter by appending a filetype to the paste.
14:27<@heckman>That's pretty slick.
14:27<Gnintendo>wait what
14:27<Me>hi where is located svn bin on ubuntu 10.04?
14:28<Me>redmine sees no repository
14:28<@heckman> vs
14:28<Gnintendo>oh right
14:28<Gnintendo>I need to setup robots.txt for my site
14:28<Gnintendo>that reminds me
14:28<linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
14:30<Me>any help?
14:33<EugeneKay>Me - ask the Ubuntu people?
14:33<Gnintendo> < I did that right, right?
14:33<@heckman>If you don't want to be findable on Google, yes.
14:33<Gnintendo>okie dokie
14:34<rnowak>all that does is tell nice robots not to crawl you
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14:34<Gnintendo>in installing an SSL cert relatively easy on nginx?
14:35<hawk>Nice robots meaning robots adhering to the three laws of robotics?
14:35<@heckman>baidu will not only crawl you, but it will trample your web server
14:35<rnowak>and stick its middle finger out at you
14:35<Me>just i cant find it
14:35<@heckman>Then steal a few street signs, and make its way out of town.
14:35<@heckman>Me: Do you mean the svn binary?
14:36<@heckman>Did you install svn on your system?
14:36<Me>yes )) it's work fine
14:37<Me>but redmine sees no repositories
14:37<@heckman>So it's not looking in the right folder, apparently.
14:37<Nicv>how can i have phpadmin for linode?
14:37<auraka>heckman: what would be the policy of sending a tcp syn flood from a Linode to a machine you own? For testing.
14:37<Me>i must change path in subversion_adapter.rb
14:37<rnowak>auraka: saw my paste?
14:37<auraka>rnowak: I figured it out
14:37<@heckman>Nicv: just install it and configure your web server to serve the content, also secure it using HTTPBasicAuth
14:38<rnowak>auraka: well ok then
14:38<@heckman>auraka: as long as it's not service affecting, and you have permission, green light.
14:38<auraka>rnowak: booted up a dummy machine
14:38<auraka>rnowak: appreciate the help though
14:38<Me>and i cant find out svn binary path
14:38<rnowak>Me: which svn
14:39<auraka>heckman: roger that
14:39<auraka>rnowak: how did you unwind that exactly?
14:39<Gnintendo>this seems like a good tutorial:
14:39*Gnintendo starts following
14:40<Me>rnowak: thx )
14:41<@heckman>rnowak: I'm kind of curious as well.
14:41<rnowak>heckman: of?
14:41<auraka>rnowak: how did you unwind that script
14:41<@heckman>The substring needful
14:41<rnowak>I didn't see
14:42<rnowak>noted down what it does in python, and ran the for loop that constructs ss with the correct values
14:43<rnowak>String['fromCharCode'] is javascript's equivalent of chr() in many other languages
14:43<rnowak>and the n array was just values for the lulz calculation to get ordinal values
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14:43<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: How to Upgrade to Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise) <> || Upgrading <>
14:43<rnowak>well, fromCharCode is, and you can call strings containing function names in them in js
14:45<auraka>rnowak: I feel dumb for just turning up a blank windows image and clicking on the original link
14:45<rnowak>auraka, heckman:
14:45<rnowak>with some failures
14:47<rnowak>the rest of the bullshit was just to make e equal 'eval'
14:47<@heckman>Ah, I didn't even notice the look at the bottom
14:48<rnowak> f = 'fromCharCode'
14:48<rnowak> zz = 'alval'
14:48<rnowak> e = 'eval'
14:48<rnowak>woopsie, didn't mean to paste on three lines
14:49<rnowak>they never even used f ):
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14:51<@heckman>rnowak: submit a patch
14:54<auraka>rnowak: very nice, thank you for the help again
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15:42<smed_>no pork roll --
15:45<@Perihelion>No tjfontaines allowed
15:45<tjfontaine>I need a distraction
15:45<tjfontaine>who needs help!
15:45<Nivex>tjfontaine! How's life in the frozen tundra? ;)
15:46<rnowak>luckily for us there's only one Perihelion, so that assertion passes (:
15:46<tjfontaine>Nivex: cold and wet today
15:46<@Perihelion>Are you MOCKING me?
15:46<tjfontaine>Nivex: what's going on in your neck of the woods?
15:47<Nivex>I'm speaking at SELF next weekend. Need to finish up my slides this weekend.
15:47<auraka>Perihelion: game of thrones...that is all
15:47<@Perihelion>auraka: SOON
15:48<@Perihelion>I need to finish reading the second book
15:48<tjfontaine>don't wish it, then it's another year
15:48<auraka>Perihelion: I have two books I need to finish before I start the first
15:48<tjfontaine>Nivex: what's your talk?
15:48<Nivex>tjfontaine: IPv6
15:48<@Perihelion>I read several books at once because I have le ADD
15:48<tjfontaine>of course :)
15:48<tjfontaine>is there a specific focus?
15:48<auraka>Perihelion: "They Eat Puppies Don't They?" by Christopher Buckley, should be good
15:49<Nivex>Perihelion was going to come heckle but then she wimped out.
15:49<@Perihelion>Nivex: :<
15:49<Nivex>something about "family" or somesuch
15:49<auraka>Nivex: the standard wimp out excuse?
15:49<auraka>Thats like the "it's not you it's me" line
15:50<Nivex>tjfontaine: basic addressing, DNS, and simple configs for the big two (RH and deb based)
15:50<Nivex>which means I need to bone up on my RH IPv6
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15:55<DrJ>I wonder what the staff has in store for linode's 9th b-day coming up here soon
15:56<DrJ>15 days :)
15:56<tjfontaine>what any 9 year old would want, COMIC BOOK COSPLAY PARTY
15:57<linbot>Heck, man, what do I look like, a psëudøviking?
15:57<@heckman>Nivex: maybe I'll convince them to send me down that way next year.
15:57<DrJ>most linode birthdays tjfontaine one of the resources (ram, bandwidth, disk space) is increased ... last year it was more disk space
15:57<tjfontaine>DrJ: I'm a new customer, what else can you tell me about this magical service
15:57<Boohemian>how can i can test sending simultaneous access to my server to see if i stress it?
15:57<DrJ>My plan went from like 32GB to 40GB
15:57<Nivex>heckman: who are they sending this year?
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15:58<linbot>damiano_: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
15:58-!-damiano_ was kicked from #linode by heckman [damiano_]
15:58<@heckman>Nivex: I don't remember off-hand.
15:59<linbot>retro|blah: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
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15:59<Nivex>Damian_, retro|blah: The bot accepts commands in /query
15:59<Nivex>Damian_: never mind, tab complete got me after the kick of damiano)
15:59<retro|blah>I was being facetious
15:59<DrJ>!Praise drj
15:59*linbot gives drj a keg of beer
15:59<DrJ>!Praise drj
15:59*linbot gives drj a keg of beer
15:59<DrJ>always the same thing ;(
15:59<@heckman>Nivex: the entrance reminds me of someone looking for a DCC bot
15:59<tjfontaine>DrJ: QED on why privmsg is preferred.
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16:00<rnowak>you all saw it folks, tjfontaine wants to be privmsgd, get to it
16:01<Boohemian>how do i flush dns cache in terminal?
16:02<retro|blah>"mowak: No such nick/channel"
16:02<@heckman>Depends on the OS, what's caching, phase of the moon
16:03<Boohemian>heckman: mac osx. i'm trying to access my server. i made a mistake and tried accessing before i fixed the mistake so it still says "could not resolve hostnam nodename nor servername provided or not known"
16:03<Boohemian>i can do it on my VM, because caching isn't an issue
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16:03<tjfontaine>there's this thing, it's called google
16:03<rnowak>how to the goog
16:04<Boohemian>dscacheutil -flushcache doesn't work for me
16:05<tjfontaine>there are caches beyond you, watch youtube video about how dns works
16:05<@heckman>Then it's cached on your resolvers, and you'll need to wait.
16:05<Boohemian>what's the typical ttl for that?
16:05<@heckman>The TTL of the zone
16:07<Boohemian>i'll try the ip directly
16:08<Boohemian>yay :)
16:08<Boohemian>tjfontaine: that's why i asked. i did google. i forgot about the ttl with my zone
16:11<linbot>New news from forums: First access is slow in Performance and Tuning <>
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16:18<dwfreed>belak: /sb search dwfreed
16:20*staticsafe gives dwfreed a cookie
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16:36*Nivex wonders if Perihelion's ears are burning
16:37<tjfontaine>or bleeding
16:37<@Perihelion>Who is talking about me? :(
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16:38*staticsafe sends Perihelion some beer
16:39<tjfontaine>and now it's over
16:39<@Perihelion>Why are you people so RUDE?
16:39<staticsafe>Perihelion: I blame rnowak
16:39<tjfontaine>maybe it's maybelline
16:40<@Perihelion>Brb pouting.
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16:42*Nivex hands Perihelion a taco to go with her beer
16:43<tjfontaine>it's a Dorito's Taco Loco though
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16:59<CornishPasty>How long does migration take? :P
16:59<@caker>~1min per GB of disk image.
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17:02<CornishPasty>Successful boot :D
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17:04<bonjurkes>wub wub wub
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17:38<XReaper>Wub wub wub
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17:49<brandon272>I have locked myself out of my linode by iptables
17:49<brandon272>How can I disable iptables?
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17:50<staticsafe>use Lish in the manager
17:50<JasonF>You can use Lish to get into your node, then use the proper commands to undo your badness.
17:51<brandon272>I can log in via Lish but can't run any commands
17:51<brandon272>It stops with a " Firewall: *UDP6OUT Blocked* IN= OUT=eth0" msg
17:52<bonjurkes>I am tired and hungry
17:52<bonjurkes>and unlucky
17:56<@heckman>brandon272: press the enter key
17:56<brandon272>It then asks me for a password, but when I enter my root password it doesn't do anything
17:57<hawk>brandon272: Did you enter root as the username before that? Or is it something else you are talking about?
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18:02<jchen>brandon272: you should consider logging a ticket so the support guys can take a look
18:03<Kyh>brandon272: what user did you try logging in as?
18:04<brandon272>I logged out and logged back in and it started working
18:06<CornishPasty>Is there any way to use a linode as an ipv6 broker?
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18:10<Kyh>CornishPasty: sure, request some ipv6 subnets and use those
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18:12<brandon272>Is it ever possible to add an IP to a Linode without having to reboot it?
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18:27<bonjurkes>does linode's traffic goes out from eth0 ?
18:27<auraka>bonjurkes: why don't you do a tcpdump to find out
18:28<bonjurkes>I am lazy auraka
18:28<bonjurkes>zsh: command not found: tcpdump
18:28<auraka>bonjurkes: amongst other things it appears
18:28<auraka>bonjurkes: so...install tcpdump?
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18:29<bonjurkes>what amongst other things
18:29<auraka>bonjurkes: or just do it the short way...and do an ifconfig and see what interface your main ip is on
18:30<auraka>but *shrug* teach a man to fish and all
18:30<Kyh>auraka: nono "ip addr"
18:30<auraka>Kyh: sure that to
18:30<bonjurkes>aim of the irc is helping people, so dont start with teach a man fishing
18:30<bonjurkes>it is eth0
18:31<auraka>bonjurkes: no irc is for communicating with people. I chose to communicate to you in a way that makes you think rather than just give you an answer.
18:31<rnowak>does it take effort being such a moron or does it come naturally?
18:32<bonjurkes>rnowak you ask for yourself?
18:32<rnowak>akshully I am asking you
18:32<auraka>If we just give you the answer you'll stay ignorant and just be dependant, if we make you think and look things up then you'll learn
18:32<bonjurkes>rnowak ask to your mom then
18:32<bonjurkes>auraka if you want to help, just help, otherwise dont complain. I am not forcing you to answer me
18:32<bonjurkes>thanks for your answer btw
18:33<auraka>bonjurkes: nope....but no one may answer if you don't want to learn. So I'm just explaining my though process.
18:34<bonjurkes>auraka who says I dont want to learn? You are just concluding that I am like that because I said I am lazy?
18:34<bonjurkes>I learnt a lot from here, people helped me a lot and I appreciate it
18:34<bonjurkes>It is 1.30 am here, I am a bit tired, and needed a quick answer
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18:37<auraka>bonjurkes: yes....lazy does usually mean you don't want to learn.
18:38<bonjurkes>auraka just stfu stop complaining
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18:40<auraka>bonjurkes: sorry we don't have Turkish laws where we can just stifle speech...heckman is the law so until he lays it down I think we can all have a good time here
18:41<bonjurkes>*** Ignored: auraka
18:41<bonjurkes>way fuckin better
18:41<bonjurkes>wondering why people complain after helping.
18:43<leto>its common among IT
18:43<auraka>so anyway, staticsafe hows life?
18:44<staticsafe>auraka: great :D just reading this atm -
18:44<bonjurkes>I really appreciate people help, I learnt how to compile stuff here. I asked weird questions but no one ever said "man and a fish story". I ask for a damn command then he is "man and fish" shit
18:44<auraka>staticsafe: have you read any of the stuxnet stuff today?
18:45<staticsafe>auraka: indeed, I read the Ars Technica coverage
18:45<staticsafe>I'm still skeptical though
18:45<rnowak>you know, anyone reading what you're writing right is likely to never give you a hand again, just saying
18:45<rnowak>right now, too
18:45<auraka>Really, about which part?
18:45<bonjurkes>rnowak still wondering why does it concern you that much
18:46<@heckman>bonjurkes: why do you continue to be abrasive in here?
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18:46<rnowak>because this is a community channel, community implies not one-on-one communication
18:46<bonjurkes>heckman sorry
18:46<bonjurkes>tryin to chill
18:46<@heckman>I've mentioned it to you yesterday. Participating in the community is a privilege
18:46<auraka>staticsafe: I found it to be a very good article along with the nytimes one and very plausible
18:47<bonjurkes>heckman I appreciate that, and I appreciate people's help
18:47<@heckman>And being disrespectful to people who've been here, and helped you, is definitely not cool.
18:47<staticsafe>auraka: that this was a possible act of war, and the source of the allegations (the journalist)
18:47<@heckman>Yaakov: <3
18:47<bonjurkes>heckman you helped me like a billion times, did I ever disrespected you? or hawk or someone else?
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18:47<auraka>staticsafe: well it is an act of war to attack another countries infrastructure so I can see why it is stated that way.
18:48<bonjurkes>prolly I asked silly stuff again and again but people always answer, and I simply thank them for helping me
18:48<@heckman>I didn't name any names. People here are usually pretty tight-knit, you get on the bad side of one person you're asking for trouble.
18:48<rnowak>auraka: someone attacked urmom?
18:48<@heckman>So, once more. We're done, right?
18:48<bonjurkes>heckman sure
18:48<@heckman>Thank you.
18:48<bonjurkes>can I feed the linbot?
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18:49<@heckman>You can use linbot as long as it's not excessive
18:49<auraka>rnowak: Yes sir.....he was big, swedish and had a mowak (intentionally misspelled). Do you know him?
18:49*heckman goes back to reading the Twilio Python API docs
18:49<rnowak>auraka: doesn't ring a bell
18:50<auraka>heckman: So....thanks for mentioning twilio, our developers are looking into it for one of our projects, appreciate it
18:50<@heckman>auraka: hah, how is me mentioning it a good thing?
18:50<@heckman>My use-case I'm sure is much less important
18:50<auraka>heckman: because I wouldn't of known what to recommend if you hadn'
18:51<auraka>so....I had something when they mentioned it on the top of my head
18:51<@heckman>Good stuff. It's a pretty sweet service. I'm only going to be using the SMS portion. The IVR capabilites are pretty nifty.
18:51<rnowak>the pseudoviking stamp of approval
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18:52<auraka>heckman: We have a rather large call center that I'd like to move some stuff off to Astrisk but I doubt it will happen. Avaya has its' claws in here.
18:52*bonjurkes adores Diablo 3 OST
18:52<auraka>Some to a hosted IVR as well would be nice
18:53<auraka>rnowak: shush it you appeaser!
18:53<@heckman>I'm personally not familiar with Avaya. I assume "business VOIP" solution, amongst others?
18:54<staticsafe> heh
18:54<auraka>heckman: business phone...basically take any oracle price you have seen, triple it and that is Avaya but for phones
18:54<@heckman>Heh, that's lovely.
18:54<Kellin>auraka: and talking to them on the phone for support is even less fun, too.
18:54<bonjurkes>I never liked win 8
18:55<auraka>Kellin: I chose not to...I value my sanity somewhat
18:55<auraka>but they are the business "standard" along with Cisco
18:56<swaj>I really hate the new Windows 8 stance on more or less abandoning the desktop/start menu
18:56<bonjurkes>that metro interface is useless for desktops
18:56<rnowak>swaj: it is riduclous as they pretty much left the normal desktop untouched
18:56<Nivex>s/ stance.*$//
18:56<rnowak>swaj: the two parts feel completely... different
18:57<auraka>bbl, home time
18:57<swaj>yeah I really dislike it
18:57<swaj>Metro really sucks with a mouse, hard
18:57<bonjurkes>if you remove the metro, then its good ol' windows
18:57<swaj>I just don't see the desktop PC evolving into a touch interface. You can integrate touch aspects, but I would hate touching my monitor.
18:57<swaj>not really -- the start menu is gone.
18:58<bonjurkes>touching and rubbing the screen sounds weird
18:58<bonjurkes>and some stuff is hidden on right
18:58<swaj>touch screen desktop really sounds like a usability nightmare to me.
18:59<bonjurkes>you can touch the bsod how great
18:59<swaj>I mean, I really may abandon windows altogether if they don't fix it
19:00<swaj>it's horrid
19:00<bonjurkes>I never managed to like linux on desktop
19:02<@heckman>I guess I should upgrade my Twilio account so I can start testing
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19:03<dwfreed>heckman: use Tropo instead
19:03<dwfreed>heckman: Tropo is free for dev testing, etc.
19:03<@heckman>Doesn't help me if I am developing with the Twilio API
19:03<dwfreed>so don't? :D
19:04<@heckman>If I am going to be using Twilio why would I not use the Twilio API?
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19:04<@heckman>Plus, Tropo costs more
19:06<swaj>when I signed up for Twilio, I got $30 in credit, free
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19:12<CaptObviousman>what wifi router manufacturers play nice with openwrt?
19:12*CaptObviousman recalls reading about one in particular but can't remember the name of it
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19:13<hawk>play nice as in that they actively cooperate? or just that they have devices that work well?
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19:16<CaptObviousman>the former
19:16<CaptObviousman>like Linksys fights users and makes it difficult to install alternative firmwares
19:16<CaptObviousman>the company I'm trying to remember does not, they make it easy
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19:18<staticsafe>actually nvm
19:19<rnowak>CaptObviousman: netgear has a few models that can take it fine, and have some sort of halfarsed community around it
19:19<CaptObviousman>netgear hmm
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19:23<hawk>Speaking of Netgear I have a wndr3700v1 here at home, works fine with openwrt. (Simple to boot it into tftp mode and flash whatever image you want too.) I don't know much about their other models, though.
19:24<rnowak>I use that one too
19:24<rnowak>but with stock firmware (:
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19:26<hawk>I don't think I ever booted the stock firmware... Is it any good? :>
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19:27<rnowak>does what I need it to do, and does so decently
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19:27<rnowak>stability-wise, it hasn't gone down once in ~7 months
19:28<chesty>what sort of gf is that?
19:28<rnowak>if you could, please tell urmom to better up
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19:31<amitz>must be really awkward for me to be in such a state for that long.
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20:02<amitz>did someone say an ENTERPRISE version of sailor sea?
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20:09<retro|blah>Da phuck?
20:10<BrianD>Using the Katana signal
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20:20*Daevien smacks amitz around with an ENTERPRISE version baseball bat
20:21<Nivex>NCC-1701. No bloody A, B, C, or D.
20:21*Katana wanders in, sees nothing he cares about going on, wanders back out
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20:46<Kellin>have a specific question re: SFTP only user logging. I set up ForceCommand internal-sftp -f local0 -l VERBOSE in my sshd_config file; and it does get their login info, HOWEVER, it doesn't log anything about what files they grabbed, etc.
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21:04<XReaper>SFTP might have a logging mech
21:04<XReaper>Kellin: found a solution
21:05<XReaper>Will that do?
21:05<Kellin>XReaper: that is how I'm configured, re-reading a few more times
21:06<XReaper>kay. depending on your logging system, it logs to the general log
21:06<Kellin>XReaper: it works in that way for people who are not chrooted
21:06<Kellin>XReaper: my problem is the people who I have chrooted with a match
21:06<XReaper>yeah... dunno if it works that way
21:06<Kellin>nod...been driving myself batty since last night, heh
21:07<XReaper>oh... you need syslog logging in the chroot i'd think
21:08<Kellin>I set up a device in there
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21:30<auraka>woop woop
21:33<Kellin>woo woo back atcha :)
21:42<Kyh>hmm, I wonder how hard it'd patch putty/kitty and other stuff to hack in DNSSEC support, like the browser extensions
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21:53<auraka>Kyh: buy a mac...done!
21:53<Kyh>auraka: hahaha. No
21:53<Kyh>and that doesn't help me with my ISPs DNS resolvers not doing dnssec
21:54<Kyh>So, im using atm, with extensions for chrome/FF
21:54<dwfreed>Kyh: set up your own local validating resolver? :)
21:56<dwfreed>oh, that's kind of cool
21:56<Kyh>hmm, I have to check exactly how dnssec-trigger works.
21:56<Kyh>Because I still need to use my ISP's resolvers to actually get the AAAA records
21:57<dwfreed>I have BIND set up on my firewall/router at home, and I just let it do full recursion and validation itself
21:58<auraka>Kyh: as dwfreed said just use your own dns resolvers...on your (sponsored by easydns) offers dnssec enabled resolvers
21:59<Kyh>auraka: nah, I don't want to. ISP has akamai/etc caches (which are free traffic)
21:59<auraka>Kyh: aussie?
22:00<auraka>Kyh: I said a prayer for all of your potential mates that died on the highway today
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22:00<auraka>Kyh: set up a local dns resolver at your house...have it forward to your isp for everything except for your domain?
22:01<Kyh>auraka: and any other domains that are dnssec signed? :P
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22:01<auraka>Kyh: ya those 20 others or so as well
22:01<Kyh>anyway, the browser plugins use the unbound local resolver, but the rest of the browser uses my ISP resolver, I believe.
22:02<auraka>we actually have to have DNSSEC, thank you
22:02<Kyh>oop, beertime
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22:02<auraka>Kyh: what kind of beer do kiwis drink?
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22:04<@Praefectus>the kiwi-infused kind
22:05<@Praefectus>or fosters, cuz ya know, they wanna be like their neighbors
22:05<auraka>Praefectus: sheep flavored beer?
22:05<auraka>Praefectus: crossed a line
22:07<auraka>Fosters is like....yuck
22:07<@Praefectus>never had it myself
22:08<Kellin>quoth an Australian exchange student I knew, "Fosters is the batpiss we pawn off on you Yanks so we don't have to drink it."
22:08<auraka>Praefectus: never sure isn't Australian for beer
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22:08<auraka>I think it is Australian for piss
22:08<@Praefectus>im not much of a beer fan, i prefer scotch or soco, some jaeger maybe
22:08<vsync>gadams__: you don't even know what is being called that
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22:09<gadams__>vsync: shhh :P
22:09<Kyh>auraka: all kinds
22:10<Kyh>auraka: i'm a hop head, so I prefer IPA's/etc. But it'll drink any style
22:10<vsync>gadams: you gonna come to my housewarming/birthday shindig?
22:10<auraka>Kyh: brands?
22:10<vsync>it's only a 1250 mile trip :)
22:10<gadams>vsync: When is it?
22:10<Kyh>auraka: uh, lots
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22:10<auraka>Kyh: seriously interested, just wondering a few
22:10*gadams is now irssi.
22:11<mwalling>can MX records be sorted by priority in the dns manager?
22:11<auraka>mwalling: how many mx records do you have....
22:11<EugeneKay>If you have to ask :v
22:11<EugeneKay>I think my zones have 4
22:12<mwalling>EugeneKay: GApps is 5
22:12<mwalling>oh, i can't count. 7
22:12<EugeneKay>Well, up to. You can get away with 3.
22:12<Kyh>Epic, No 8 wired, emersons, Brewaucracy, rennassiance, Crouchers, 666 brewing, garage project, harringtons, invercargill brewery, hallertay, liberty, moa, mikes organic brewery, monkey wizzard, parrotdog pink elephant, 3boys, tuatara, yeastieboys
22:12<mwalling>you can get away with *1*
22:12<EugeneKay>3 is saner
22:12<mwalling>auraka: dude, i'm the inventor of the twittering dehumidifier. how many MX records do you *THINK* i have?
22:13<linbot>EugeneKay: Now 100% full (no time remaining). Last emptied at some point, last full yesterday at 20:50 UTC after running for 23.9 hours.
22:13<EugeneKay>Not emptier?
22:13<mwalling>thats HoopyCat's
22:13<Kyh>auraka: are you in the US?
22:13<EugeneKay>Oh, right.
22:13<mwalling>mine was simple full/empty
22:13<EugeneKay>I need more booze.
22:13<@mikegrb>mwalling: yeah but my thermostat tweets
22:13<auraka>Kyh: yes siree
22:13*gadams hands EugeneKay more booze.
22:13<EugeneKay>mmmm booze
22:13<mwalling>mikegrb: i thought your fridge did too
22:14<@mikegrb>it used to
22:14<Kyh> search NZ
22:14<Kyh>all those are good, except maybe kaimai brewery
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22:14<Kyh>anyway, off for beers now
22:16<vsync>gadams: um next saturday haha
22:16<vsync>dude if you actually came i would even get beer made of sorghum for you
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22:19<gadams>I'll think about it.
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22:19<gadams>It's only 11 hour drive and 240$ in gas.
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22:19<vsync>didn't you like just make that trip?
22:19<vsync>you are always bouncing around
22:21<gadams>I'm like Dr. Manhattan.
22:21<vsync>with a 3 foot blue schlong?
22:24<EugeneKay>Sounds like my ex girlfriend
22:25<vsync>EugeneKay: i hate to break it to you, but there might be something you're not seeing about "her"
22:26<EugeneKay>Oh no, that was afterwards. She went full lesbo.
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22:30<@Praefectus>that might be a sign..
22:30-!-Boohemian [~Boohemian@] has joined #linode
22:30<EugeneKay>That I'm a horrible human being? That's what I told her....
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22:31<@Praefectus>thats one poessibility
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22:41<brandon2721>I am having an issue adding an IP to my Linode. The Linode runs CentOS 6 and cPanel/WHM. I tried two methods with the same result: 1) I tried simply "Adding an IP" through the WHM interface. This failed. On my second attempt, I tried creating a new network script in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts folder as detailed in the Linode documentation for adding a static IP. Both times, after rebooting my linode, I am unable to access i
22:43<XReaper>mikegrb: you need a tweeting fridge
22:46<retro|blah>brandon2721: Do "ip addr" and see if the addresses show up. Also "ip route"
22:46<retro|blah>!to brandon2721 lish
22:46<linbot>brandon2721: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
22:47<XReaper>brandon2721: lish is your best friend
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22:49<linbot>New news from forums: can't get citadel to work with nginx in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
22:50-!-squircle [~squircle@2001:470:1d:6ac:129a:ddff:fe52:c54c] has quit [Quit: Goodbye!]
22:52<Kyh>oh cpanels
22:52<retro|blah>Not like cpenises
22:53<brandon2721>Looks like things are working now. Seems I just wasn't careful about doing things in the right order.
22:53<brandon2721>(i.e. rebooting the linode first and then making my config changes on the server)
22:53<Kyh>Yeah wel, you can't just do things willy nilly
22:53<brandon2721>I'm learning, I'm learning
22:55<XReaper>yay case studies are boring
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22:55<XReaper>brandon2721: yeah, ip
22:55*staticsafe dances
22:55<XReaper>*ip's are done at host level
22:56<XReaper>some xen odditity requires a reboot to set up the routing
22:56<retro|blah>[*N] >> dev-java/xz-java ((~)1.0): Implementation of xz data compression in pure java
22:57<EugeneKay>XReaper - I believe it's Linode's ebtables stuff, not Xen itself
22:58<XReaper>EugeneKay: yeah, low level... and i guess they don't want the instance to go kabloom
22:58<XReaper>safer to do config changes offline
23:00<EugeneKay>I would think it's that they're triggered by the boot API
23:00<EugeneKay>Easier to set them all deterministically like that than to make a lil script for each change(like adding the IP)
23:01<XReaper>also, the way their firewall is set up, the nodes can only up the ip's they are assigned
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23:13<Kunda>Just saw this on
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23:23<gadams>heckman: what's your BF3?
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23:24<@heckman>On PC: Agent_Heckman
23:25<@heckman>gadams: duosspace?
23:25*heckman confirms before checking
23:25<gadams>heckman: Yerpherp
23:25<XReaper>yay, telstra's pipe to japan is having a netfart
23:26<XReaper><3 pcket loss
23:26<gadams>Sorry XReaper I'm a bit hungry
23:26*heckman adds to Com Center
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23:33<XReaper>ok, if i'm seeing packet loss between my home connection and where my PPPoE session terminates... could mean it's a domestic issue
23:34<XReaper>1% packet loss on all hops
23:34<XReaper>uppped the pings by 30ms
23:34<@heckman>You running an MTR report for that?
23:35<XReaper>should i?
23:35<@heckman>How are you calculating 1%?
23:35<XReaper>mtr running
23:35<@heckman>Well, 1% is nothing. That's why TCP is so awesome.
23:35<@heckman>Yet not awesome
23:36<XReaper>yup, definitely a telstra issue
23:36<chesty>1% packet loss cuts speed by 50%
23:36<XReaper>seems the backend is having issues
23:36<XReaper>(if it's broken, it's probably telstras fault... that's how it works in aus :P)
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23:39<staticsafe>i was looking at this - - Linode is no 87 xD
23:40<XReaper>staticsafe: doesn't include tokyo
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23:40<XReaper>linodes street owns the tokyo net block
23:41<XReaper>seems it's only dallas?
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23:46<staticsafe>World IPv6 day coming up woohoo
23:47*nate hopes it turns out better than last year
23:47<@heckman>This is launch day
23:47<retro|blah>The last one was more of a test day
23:47<nate>retro: it still pooped out a bit though
23:47*nate remembers Verizon said they were going to do a massive rollout, and then ended up only doing a small select area
23:48<staticsafe>for my part, my servers and my home network are all have IPv6 access :D
23:48<staticsafe>HE <3 and Linode <3
23:48*heckman gets back to reading documentation about irssi scripts
23:48<staticsafe>ooh fun
23:48<@heckman>Something like that, I've yet to find great documentation.
23:48<staticsafe>yea the existing stuff isn't too great
23:49<@heckman>That's Open Source
23:49<@heckman>I got the first half working.
23:49<staticsafe>what is your script doing?
23:49<@heckman>The end result are going to be SMS notifications when I'm away.
23:50<@heckman>Right now I have the Python script handling the Twilio stuffs, as well as rate limiting SMS messages.
23:50<staticsafe>oh damn thats neat
23:50<@heckman>The irssi script is just going to call the Python script on highlight/PM when I'm away. The Python script determines if I should be notified or not.
23:50<chesty>heckman: that's not going to be annoying
23:51<@heckman>How so? It's going to be a 60m rate limit.
23:51<@heckman>At most, once SMS per hour
23:51<@akerl>Why bother with twilio for that?
23:51<@akerl>use the email to sms gateway, and forget the rate limit :P
23:51<@heckman>I'm rate limiting for my own sanity.
23:51<@heckman>And using Twilio is more neutral if I were to Github it, which I plan to do.
23:52<chesty>ok, say you are away and you get an sms, what will you do?
23:52<@heckman>If it's something important, jump on IRC on my phone. If not, move on.
23:53*akerl goes to write a script to mention heckman every X minutes where X is between 45 and 75 minutes
23:53<gadams>Have you trained your python script ?
23:53<@heckman>gadams: define trained
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23:55<gadams>To determine what is important and what is not?
23:55<@heckman>The Python script is neutral. You give it stuff, and it handles it accordingly. That way it can be used for more than just irssi.
23:56<gadams>Oh okay.
23:56<@heckman>The irssi script, at least initially, is going to be any channel highlight/pm.
23:56<@heckman>Assuming how it reacts, I'll probably alter it
23:57<gadams__>heckman: put some machine learning up on that python script
23:58<@heckman>heh :P
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.03350543, 0.18470283) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 111481 of 141506 (π ≈ 3.151272737551765 - 0.009680083961972). http://π
23:59<vsync>linbot: wat.
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