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00:29<vraa>can someone explain the difference between generating a self signed certification with openssl with signing it with a generated rsa key versus without signing it
00:32<rnowak>nonsensical request
00:35<vraa>for example, this site - - shows signing it
00:35<vraa>linode guide does not
00:35<vraa> -- does not
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00:37<rnowak>both are signed -- one just uses a self-signed CA to do it
00:39<rnowak>you can use the openssl suite to inspect your certificate, fwiw
00:39<rnowak>it also has lots of man pages
00:39<vraa>yeah i'm going through the openssl man pages
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00:44<Takyoji>or could get a trusted signature from StartCom
00:45<rnowak>because that can be used for everything that openssl offers
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00:56<linbot>New news from forum: HELP WANTED: Setting up Python/Django & Server Security ($) in General Discussion <>
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01:04<vraa>i'll look into startcom, i was looking into rapidssl, digicert, verisign, and they all seem like they are 200$ish per year
01:04<vraa>which doesn't seem bad, but then i read about self signed certificates, so i've just been reading about that
01:05<vraa>trying it out in a vm, works so far, i can access fine :)
01:06<Solver>vraa: self signing, using a local CA or using a commercial CA have to do with who your users are and under what circumstances they will trust you are who you say you are
01:06<vraa>yeah that's what is seems like, and all my users are persons in my organization, so it seems like it wouldn't be that big PITA
01:06<Solver>vraa: is this a public service?
01:06<vraa>no not public for others to use
01:06<rnowak>for anything non-public I'd never trust anyone but our own internal CA
01:06<Solver>if it is an internal service then local CA may be fine. you just need to make sure the roo cert is importated in to the browsers of the users
01:07<@Praefectus>Solver: are "roo certs" from australia?
01:07<Solver>Praefectus: oops :)
01:07<Solver>*root certificates :)
01:08<vraa>if i were to get a paid for ssl cert, i'd have to get a wildcard one because we have ~10 domains
01:08<vraa>however, if i were to self sign, then i wouldn't have to spend that much $$$
01:08<Solver>exactly, and if it is an internal service this may be a fine option
01:09<rnowak>s/may be a/is a better/
01:09<Solver>a lot of people buy public certs for internal services because they don't understand the chain of trust
01:09<pharaun>wildcard certs are sadness
01:10<pharaun>even better is 2-3-4 *.*.* :(
01:10<rnowak>if you're serious about it, set up an internal CA, and you'll have a little PKI of your own going
01:10<rnowak>next step: client certificates
01:10<Solver>anyway I gotta feed the chickens... (really)
01:10<pharaun>rnowak: ha ha client certs
01:10<pharaun>browser has shit support for that
01:11<rnowak>works fine if you're not a moran
01:11<pharaun>i know, i've played around with it to see if it would work for a project
01:11<vraa>well . damn i'm a moron lol
01:11<pharaun>i was able to figure it out but i can see how it would be a problem for the moran
01:12<rnowak>people seem to confuse authentication with authorization
01:22<@Praefectus>i want chickens
01:22<@Praefectus>i dont think theyll let me build a coop behind the building though
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01:24<rnowak>hmm... yeah.
01:25<rnowak>I'd like one of these goats that like to climb stuff, they are pretty badass standing on tiny fence poles, defending their higher position
01:28<auraka>Praefectus: meh
01:28<auraka>rnowak: lazy swede
01:28<pharaun>guard goat
01:28<auraka>pharaun: new programming language
01:28<rnowak>no hablo england
01:29<pharaun>rnowak: guard goat?
01:29<rnowak>call it pablo
01:29<rnowak>if I had a donkey, I'd totally name it pablo
01:29<auraka>rnowak: i swear to god...i'm going to come to sweden to kick you in the nuggets
01:30<rnowak>that does not sound like a lot of fun
01:30<auraka> does not
01:30<auraka>so sign up at namecheap
01:30<rnowak>soon (tm)
01:31<auraka>rnowak: next step...I'm going to investigate you chris hansen style and make a video about it on the site
01:32<auraka>rnowak: you will succumb
01:34<rnowak>auraka: you happy with your macbook?
01:34<pharaun>y u no mbp
01:34<auraka>rnowak: yes....except I dropped it and dented it
01:34<auraka>but laptop ever
01:35<auraka>rnowak: bought a new backpack so I don't drop it again
01:35<rnowak>I'm hoping apple will announce their new mbps on tuesday, looks like I will be getting one of those
01:35<auraka>well...not really a bakpack
01:35<auraka>love it
01:35<pharaun>rnowak: y u no sony?
01:36<auraka>pharaun: because sony sucks
01:36<rnowak>pharaun: it is not a problem with the sony hardware, but it leaves me with windows, or linux, and I am frankly tired of both on my laptop
01:36<jchen>i will be buyin
01:36<auraka>their company is dying
01:36<pharaun>rnowak: ah i see
01:36<rnowak>auraka: nuuh, my vaio z is pretty cute
01:36<pharaun>i like the vaio Z
01:36<pharaun>but in the end i went with thinkpad T
01:36<rnowak>pharaun: I am also slightly tired of 13", and I want a 15" again
01:36<auraka>rnowak: ya...except sony as a company sucks...their support blows
01:36<pharaun>mainly cuz of the keyboard and other feature
01:37<pharaun>i HATE the mac keyboards
01:37<auraka>pharaun: why?
01:37<pharaun>various reasons
01:37<auraka>chicklet...or just macbooks?
01:37<pharaun>pgdown/up removed have to shift+up/down, then various missing or weird keys
01:37<pharaun>i like using winkey/menu key for hotkeys in linux
01:37<pharaun>no apps use them so perfect
01:37<auraka>pharaun: func + up/down
01:38<pharaun>and then i am not a fan of the chicklet style
01:38<pharaun>auraka: i know
01:38<pharaun>i still hate it
01:38<auraka>waaah....they don't use what i want
01:38<pharaun>then the touchpad is touchy
01:38<pharaun>hence i don't like the mac keyboards so i don't buy em, simple as that
01:38<pharaun>problem solved :>
01:38<auraka>pharaun: the touchpad is adjustable
01:38<pharaun>we use macbooks at work
01:38<rnowak>the touchpad is probably the best I've ever used
01:38<pharaun>i got me a kinesis keyboard for it
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01:38<auraka>rnowak: agreed
01:38<pharaun>rnowak: i never use the touchpad
01:39<pharaun>i prefer the nurb thing
01:39<auraka>rnowak: however the dell xps 13 is tempting
01:39<auraka>pharaun: touch my nub?
01:39<rnowak>auraka: it gets hot, and the display is utter shit
01:39<amitz>pharaun: the top ppl use mac here, we the peons use win/linux :-(
01:39<auraka>rnowak: the hp spectre xt?
01:39<rnowak>auraka: not seen it
01:40<@Praefectus>s/top ppl/fanbois/
01:40<pharaun>auraka: no rejected
01:40<pharaun>amitz: hehe
01:40<auraka>Praefectus: plenty of non-fanbois use macs
01:40<pharaun>amitz: *everyone* gets mac mini or mbp
01:40<pharaun>sales, top people, devs, etc
01:41<amitz>s/fanbois/manement/ -p
01:41<pharaun>whole stack is macs all the way down,
01:41<auraka>I'm not an apple fan....but find me a better made laptop
01:41<rnowak>auraka: looks ok I guess, but no idea how it works, so yeah...
01:41<pharaun>servers are linux ofc
01:41<rnowak>auraka: the dell xps 13 ultrabook really has a shit display
01:41<pharaun>auraka: thinkpad
01:41<rnowak>auraka: like 200usd acer laptop bad
01:41<@Praefectus>auraka: i do at work, but i wouldnt waste my own money on one when i can get better specs for less
01:41<auraka>pharaun: false...we have a few
01:41<pharaun>auraka: false, we have hundreds of mbp at work they have issues
01:41<pharaun>all hardware are going to have issues
01:41<auraka>Praefectus: better specs doesn't mean everything...I also want support
01:42*Praefectus doesnt need support
01:42<pharaun>i tend to custom make things so its a RMA or GFO
01:42<pharaun>so i don't need support for most things
01:42<auraka>Praefectus: you do when the hadware breaks
01:42<@Praefectus>auraka: negative, thats what they made RMA for
01:42<auraka>pharaun: so...yes the RMA is going into a store and bam
01:42<pharaun>that's what i do, pull out the memory and disk, send it in
01:43<auraka>rather than opening a laptop and trying to troubleshoot like hp makes you do
01:43<pharaun>auraka: my laptop is not my primary machine
01:43<pharaun>so if i have to ship it for a bit its not a issue honestly
01:43<auraka>pharaun: mine is...
01:43<pharaun>all i need to do is pop out the disk, done
01:43<auraka>I only have a laptop
01:43<auraka>so it is that important to me
01:43<pharaun>hehehe in that case i can see why you would want asap replacement
01:44<pharaun>but honestly i have multiple desktops/servers/laptops so meh
01:44<auraka>and my macbook hasnt failed me
01:44<rnowak>I've got a handful of computers and I'd still want immediate replacement rather than having to wait 2-3 weeks
01:44<@Praefectus>ditto (re:multiple items)
01:44<auraka>where my hp/compaq/dell/gateway/sony has failed me
01:44<pharaun>auraka: lenovo has been pretty good for me
01:44<auraka>my apple hasn't
01:44<pharaun>but again YMMV as always
01:44<rnowak>if shit is broken, shit is broken, I don't need some moron telling me that they checked that it is broken two weeks later to send me a replacement
01:44<auraka>pharaun: I have a has been okay...a cheap one
01:45<pharaun>i have the higher end lenovo's
01:45<pharaun>they're great
01:45<pharaun>dunno on the lower end
01:45<+dwfreed>Thinkpads are tanks
01:45<EugeneKay>I'm pondering an Asus UX32VD.... the new 13" 1080p ultrabook.
01:45<auraka>I don't doubt it...their support is good...but still
01:45<rnowak>do not buy sony vaios unless you go for a z, or s to an extension, though really only z
01:45<pharaun>Z only imho
01:45<auraka>their linux support sucks
01:45<amitz>EugeneKay: zenbook?
01:45<pharaun>i pop in linux usb, i boot, done
01:46<pharaun>and everything works out of the box
01:46<EugeneKay>This one
01:46<pharaun>auraka: so what do you mean by suck
01:46<auraka>sony is the most overpriced POS ever
01:46<pharaun>auraka: negative, not the Z
01:46<pharaun>check out the specs
01:46<auraka>pharaun: they can't run linux in a stable manner?
01:46<pharaun>auraka: what machine do you have
01:46<pharaun>if its a low-end
01:46<pharaun>haha yes that's your problem
01:46<auraka>look it up
01:46<auraka>plenty of problems
01:47<amitz>EugeneKay: if only they have cheaper non-windows version...
01:47<pharaun>that's your problem exactly
01:47<pharaun>auraka: buy T/X/W only
01:47<pharaun>problem solved
01:47<EugeneKay>amitz - call me a heretic, but Win7 fucking /works/.
01:47<auraka> I'll buy a macbook instead...problem solved
01:47<pharaun>EugeneKay: amen
01:47<auraka>no bullshit
01:47<pharaun>roommate uses win7 its pretty solid for him
01:47<pharaun>he has issues but it works usually
01:47<pharaun>auraka: same thing as T/X/W
01:47<pharaun>no bullshit, problem solved, just works
01:48<pharaun>you really cannot compare a cheap lenovo laptop to a macbook
01:48<pharaun>you need to compare the top notch stuff
01:48<auraka>I have a $2500 macbook here...I don't have a problem spending money...but lenovo is meh..their forums are meh
01:48<pharaun>its not a fair comparsion to go wah wah
01:48<amitz>large memory usage, EugeneKay
01:48<pharaun>100$ S205 is shitter than a 2500 mbp
01:48<EugeneKay>!to amitz linuxatemyram
01:48<auraka>pharaun: I expect a company to stand buy any product they sell
01:49<pharaun>auraka: they do for X/W/T
01:49<auraka>and s205 is $400
01:49<pharaun>they're the good stuff
01:49<EugeneKay>I didn't buy $GB of ram to do nothing with it
01:49<pharaun>auraka: yes but does apple sell a $400 machine? no
01:49<pharaun>mac-mini might come close butmeh
01:49<auraka>I almost bought a t-series for an ubuntu laptop.....but I seriously have reservations
01:50<@Praefectus>pharaun: they added $599 to their $400 machine for the apple logo
01:50<pharaun>Praefectus: ha
01:50<auraka>Praefectus: shut it
01:50<rnowak>my z was a bit below 4000 USD, which is around the amount I'll have to spend on a decent 15" MBP if prices for the new ones stay around the same as they are now
01:50<pharaun>auraka: i have no problem with macbooks honestly or apple hardware
01:50<auraka>thats ignorance
01:50<@Praefectus>auraka: YOU CANT MAKE ME
01:50<@Praefectus>thats truth, does it hurt?
01:50<pharaun>auraka: what i object to is comparing a $400 machine to a $2500 machine
01:50<auraka>Praefectus: true
01:50<pharaun>that's my main nitpick
01:50<auraka>pharaun: I wasn't
01:50<pharaun>if thinkpad turns to shit, i'll probably end up buying a macbook
01:50<auraka>what I like about apple hardware is
01:51<pharaun>but so far it has been more of a bitch to install linux on it
01:51<pharaun>than it was for thinkpad, i run linux on my work mbp
01:51<EugeneKay>VMware Workstation ftw
01:51<auraka>I can walk into an apple store and they'll fix it
01:51<auraka>the end
01:51<auraka>no discussions
01:51<pharaun>once linux is installed it works but till you get it on disk and booted up its a pita
01:51<auraka>no long support calls
01:51<pharaun>auraka: that's fine, that's also built into their cost
01:51<auraka>they fix it
01:51<pharaun>and for some people they don't care about that
01:51<auraka>and I'm okay with paying that
01:51<pharaun>thus it might not always be a good value proposion, can't apply that to everyone
01:52<auraka>the last time I had hp support it took me 4 hours to get them to RMA my laptop for a dead motherboard
01:52<rnowak>I'll even buy the 3 year "apple super duper care" package if I get this mbp, 300 usd for two years extended immediate replacement if it dies? well, it would be silly not to
01:52<auraka>I'll pay extra for good support
01:52<pharaun>rnowak: makes sense
01:52<pharaun>i have that for my iphone
01:52<@Praefectus>auraka: i have no problem spending money either, but i feel macs are a waste when i dont depend on my laptop as my sole work machine
01:52<pharaun>asap replacement
01:52<auraka>apple takes care of their customers
01:53<pharaun>i'm with Praefectus
01:53<pharaun>if the laptop was my single solo machine
01:53<auraka>Praefectus: my mbp is my sole machine
01:53<pharaun>yeah i wouldn't mind going with a mbp and apple for that support
01:53<pharaun>but since i have multiple redudant machines, i really don't give a goddamn
01:53<auraka>I'll pay for it...they'll take care of me and always have
01:53<@Praefectus>auraka: i know, thats why i said what i did
01:53<pharaun>i do have an iphone
01:54<pharaun>but that's my primary contact, etc.. i need it replaced asap if it breaks
01:54<pharaun>hence apple made sense
01:54<auraka>pharaun: I don't...I hate iphones heh
01:54<pharaun>now that's ironic
01:54<auraka>it is
01:54<rnowak>why is it?
01:54<pharaun>i just want my phone to work no question asked
01:54<pharaun>i don't give a fucking shit bout lots of other things, i don't mod, hack it, i just use it to work
01:54<auraka>I can go buy a new phone is a closed ecosystem on phones....I don't want that
01:54<rnowak>you know, I've got a spare just in case my phone dies
01:55<pharaun>rnowak: dumbphone?
01:55<rnowak>pharaun: no
01:55<rnowak>well, kind of maybe -- a cheap wildfire s
01:55<auraka>I want an open ecosystem so anroid makes more sense...
01:56<rnowak>well, android isn't that very open
01:56<auraka>so..I bought my galaxy nexus
01:56<rnowak>there's very little about android that is open :)
01:56<Kyh_>I want a GN with a keyboard
01:56<auraka>rnowak: more so than apple IOS
01:56<EugeneKay>I want a pony
01:57<pharaun>EugeneKay: s/pony/urmom/
01:57<auraka>give me an open source ubuntu laptop made of metal and I'll but it...until then apple gets my business
01:57<EugeneKay>pharaun - I don't need to hear about your sexual misadventurs
01:57<pharaun>EugeneKay: :D
01:57<rnowak>auraka: how about steel?
01:57<pharaun>what about iron?
01:57<pharaun>wrought iron
01:57<rnowak>cast iron
01:58<pharaun>even better
01:58<pharaun>when i throw the phone i want it to hurt
01:59<@Praefectus>spring steel
01:59<@Praefectus>it will take a pounding and still hurt like hell
02:00<EugeneKay>Sounds like an exGF of mine
02:00<pharaun>oh boy
02:00<amitz>EugeneKay: i'm aware of that cache thingie but windows7 is seriously low in non-cache memory usage
02:01<pharaun>amitz: x11
02:01<EugeneKay>amitz - it runs just fine on a 512MB lappie I have
02:02<rnowak>that's enough for half a browser tab these days
02:02<EugeneKay>This particular laptop has superglue in the RJ45 ajck
02:02<EugeneKay>It's used for PKI management
02:02<pharaun>yet it has wireless?
02:03<EugeneKay>Nope, pulled the card out and shot it with a 9mm
02:03<EugeneKay>Then glued the mini-pci jack
02:03<auraka>tl:dr sony sucks
02:03<EugeneKay>Only way in or out of the thing is a USB flash drive
02:03<pharaun>tl;dr everything sucks
02:04<pharaun>EugeneKay: :D
02:04<EugeneKay>Especially girls amirite
02:04<rnowak>urmom could tell you
02:04<pharaun>EugeneKay: did you superglue it to a desk?
02:04<pharaun>and then lock it in a cabinet
02:04<EugeneKay>mowak - I don't need to hear about your sexual misadventures
02:04<@Praefectus>EugeneKay: then stopping asking questions related to urmom
02:04<EugeneKay>pharaun - nah, it's guarded by said 9mm.... or would be, if I hadn't moved to California -_-
02:04*EugeneKay makes note to buy a gun
02:04<pharaun>EugeneKay: ah right CA :(
02:05<pharaun>i wanted to buy a few guns then i mmoved to CA and i'm sad now
02:05<amitz>oh nice
02:06<amitz>pharaun: youmean windows7 uses x11
02:06<rnowak>yes, and it is posix too
02:06<amitz>cross finger, does xforwarding works?
02:09<pharaun>amitz: nah i was just saying x11/other can be a hog on linux too :p
02:10<rnowak>it often is not x11 though, but something that it provides low level access to
02:10<rnowak>finding this something is a fun game to play
02:12<pharaun>oh i know
02:12<pharaun>still a pita
02:21<amitz>rnowak: why the raised eybrow?
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02:26<@Praefectus>pharaun: what kinda guns were you lookin at buyin?
02:28<pharaun>Praefectus: just some rifle for long range shooting if possible, and uh a couple of home defense shotgun or some such
02:28<pharaun>not fan of pistols
02:28<pharaun>i have the models written down somewhere, i would need to find it
02:29<@Praefectus>mossberg 500 cruiser model is great (hunting and home defense)
02:30<@Praefectus>8 x 12ga rounds, pistol and stock interchangable
02:31<@Praefectus>i got mine when i lived in michigan, the store i went to had a package deal on it with the pistol grip and stock
02:34<pharaun>Praefectus: ah that one
02:34<EugeneKay>Are you trying to turn me on
02:34<pharaun>yeah i was looking at something alike to that, not sure if it was the same model
02:34<pharaun>but yeah i wanted something with pistol+stock for dual purposes
02:34<@Praefectus>ya, i like it, switching the pistol grip and stock is an easy thing to do as well
02:34<pharaun>Praefectus: how do you do the switching anyway?
02:35<pharaun>looks from the picture like it slides on/off?
02:35<@Praefectus>theres screws
02:36<@Praefectus> this was my baby for hunting though
02:37<@Praefectus>i have one of these as well-
02:37<@Praefectus>but its jus not fair to hunt with 5.56 ammo
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02:39<@Praefectus>(unless you are hunting peoples)
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02:48<circlicious>london vps donw?
02:48<Kyh_>is it?
02:49<Kyh_>circlicious: what does the dashboard say? Is your linode actually running? what does LISH say? what does mtr say?
02:49<@Praefectus>there are a lot of Linodes in London, any specific one?
02:49<circlicious>dashbpard says its running, i can ssh, i can ping, but i cant open the website. neither can my team mate in other city
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02:50<@Praefectus>did you make sure your web server is running?
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02:51<circlicious>Praefectus: yeh, htop shows so
02:52<circlicious>ps aux | grep apache also shows lots of apache processes
02:52<@Praefectus>check your error log?
02:52<Kyh_>circlicious: then there's nothing wrong with london. Your webserver is down, probably
02:52<Kyh_>also define "down"
02:53<circlicious>nothing rong in error loads
02:53<circlicious>by down i mean i cannot open my website
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02:54<EugeneKay>What's the site?
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02:56<Kyh_>circlicious: then check your web server or back end logs
02:57<pharaun>also i would check the db
02:57<pharaun>if you are running a db that is
02:57<pharaun>tho you should had gotten some sort of error
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04:39<CaptObviousman>cheers to akerl and lsabota at SELF you rock
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07:09<internat>so. i have a temp node in tokyo with an ip assigned to it.. which im in the process of migrating my proper node onto. once ive done that ill move that instance which is larger and has extras etc into the tokyo dc and clone the images into it.. can i move the ip over that way? and give up one of the ips of the larger node?
07:10<@Praefectus>use swap ip on your remote access tab
07:10<internat>see i knew you guys would have thought of everything :D
07:10<@Praefectus>theyre both in tokyo, right?
07:11<internat>they will be :)
07:11<@Praefectus>well, its not a "they will be" answer
07:11<@Praefectus>you cant move IPs across datacenters
07:11<@Praefectus>so if they arent both in tokyo, swap ip isnt gonna work
07:11<internat>the larger node with the extras etc, will be migrated into tokyo
07:12<internat>you can move a node cant you?
07:12<internat>remote access tab again?
07:12<@Praefectus>when you move a linode to a new datacenter your ip will change
07:12<Kyh_>but you'll have to move it to tokyo first before you do any of that other stuff
07:12<@Praefectus>nope, ticket
07:13<internat>oh. i was hoping there was a "redploy" button.
07:13<@Praefectus>there is a redeploy button
07:13<internat>i dont need to move disk images or anything. there wont be any
07:13<@Praefectus>but that will wipe out your config profiles and disk images and spin up a new image
07:13<internat>thats fine
07:13<@Praefectus>so just delete your disks, and put in a ticket to have your linode migrated
07:14<@Praefectus>migration without disk images to move is nearly instant
07:14<internat>ah ok. sorry, when i said redeploy i meant redeploy to another dc. my bad.
07:14<internat>np. when im at that stage, i shall ticket :)
07:14<internat>much appreciate your help
07:14<@Praefectus>no prob
07:17<internat>if you google "linode backup cost" first link is broken
07:17<Kyh_>hah, yep
07:18<HoopyCat>internat: works fine for me
07:19<internat>yep that one does.. first link in google for me is to the blog annoucement.
07:20<HoopyCat>indeed, is broken
07:23<hawk>HoopyCat: How can it be broken when it quite clearly states that "it works!"? :P
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07:41<@Praefectus>internat: theres a link to the backup service page on the main page of the site
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07:41<internat>yeah. i know that :) was just pointing out the broken google link :)
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07:43<XReaper>who killed wordpress?
07:43<XReaper>or you are moving stuff around :P
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07:45<avorntur>is there a way to move your linode from one datacenter to another?
07:47<avorntur>k, thanks
07:59<HoopyCat>XReaper: it's undergoing upgrades in preparation for the Ticket to Lick It promotion launch
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08:39<avorntur>yay, migration completed :)
08:41<HoopyCat>avorntur: your linode is suddenly all like ... but it will get used to it within a few clock cycles
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09:08*Katana migrates HoopyCat
09:15*staticsafe migrates Katana to tokyo
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09:43<Katana>i are abusing laptop cpu :u
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09:49<HoopyCat>naw, that's productive... is not, esp. transparency
09:50<Katana>oooh, tearing
09:50<HoopyCat>nod, looks much better than that irl
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09:52<HoopyCat>(crazy-dancy stuff from
10:01<Katana>staticsafe: forgetting to burn in subtitles sucks, I have to reencode four eps now because I forgot to do it when I did this a couple weeks ago. ;_;
10:10<linbot>New news from blog: Linode Proud to Participate in World IPv6 Launch Day 2012 <> || Fedora 17 – Beefy Miracle <> || NodeBalancer Concurrent Connections <> || Ubuntu 12.04 LTS – Precise Pangolin <
10:13<HoopyCat>internat: i dunno what's broken on your end, but works fine for me bro
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11:18<XReaper>HoopyCat: oh?
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11:30<praetorian>good day
11:30*Nivex sports his rockin' Linode bracelet after SELF 2012
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11:32*XReaper hunts Nivex down and steals the bracelet
11:33<XReaper>hello praetorian
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11:37<linbot>New news from forum: Forum breakage in General Discussion <>
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11:45<praetorian>XReaper: hello.
11:45<praetorian>XReaper: go to bed.
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11:47<XReaper>praetorian: already slept
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11:51<HeavyMetal>hi i am wondering have anyone follow this guide and got it working?
11:52<HeavyMetal>i am having a problem that i cannot auth to postfix
11:52<HeavyMetal>but i can auth to dovecot just fine
11:56<praetorian>XReaper: yesterday maybe.
11:56<XReaper>went to bed at 2100 and got up at 0000
11:56<praetorian>HeavyMetal: pastebin and errors you are getting
11:56<praetorian>XReaper: thats nothing. get to bed now :p
11:57<wrf>might i ask why Atlantic filters IRC?
11:57<wrf>problems in the past or just the host they use?
11:57<@akerl>It's the upstream provider, not us.
11:57<XReaper>atlanta dc filters lotsa stuff
11:57<wrf>figured as much
11:57<XReaper>check on their website
11:58<XReaper>it _might_ tell you what they filter
11:58<wrf>which is?
11:58<praetorian>i filter akerl
12:01<HeavyMetal>praetorian: here is the error log for SMTP login in auth.log
12:09<linbot>New news from forum: Ext4 troubles in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
12:09<praetorian>`check pass; user unknown'
12:09<praetorian>is the user and host right?
12:09<praetorian>did you do a flush privileges and flush hosts
12:12<HeavyMetal>hmm same issue
12:15<linbot>New news from forum: Ext4 troubles in General Discussion <>
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12:19<coyo>good morning.
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12:21<codora>howdy, akerl
12:21<codora>i just wanted to dip in here and see what the linode community was like.
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12:29*XReaper throws akerl a muffin
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12:31<praetorian>HeavyMetal: odd. can you log into mysql with that user manually?
12:31<praetorian>sorry for any slowness.. im chatting to a friend back home :P
12:32<codora>so, pretty much all of my friends use linode.
12:32<codora>except one, who uses a dedicated softlayer server, iirc.
12:33<praetorian>thats gotta suck for him
12:33<codora>how are ya, praetorian?
12:33<codora>yeah, but he works there, so he gets a discount
12:34<staticsafe>[SECURITY] [DSA 2492-1] php5 security update - just got this in my inbox
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12:36<codora>hello squircle
12:36<squircle>hello codora
12:36<codora>how are ya?
12:36<HeavyMetal>praetorian: the mail user?
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12:36<squircle>wonderful, codora. how are you?
12:37<HeavyMetal>and praetorian i can login as mail_admin in MySQL shell
12:39<codora>squircle: i'm doing alright. i'm exploring the linode community.
12:40<squircle>codora: excellent. welcome!
12:41*codora is wondering if linode is for him, and so far, it looks like a very pleasant company, and everyone he's talked to has had nothing but very good things to say about linode service, and the price is very doable.
12:41<codora>thank you, squircle!
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12:43<codora>hold on..
12:45<HeavyMetal>oh nice got it working need to remove everything in /etc/pamd/smtp execpt those 2 lines in the guide praetorian
12:45<HeavyMetal>thanks though
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12:52<tamaska>so, how are ya, praetorian?
12:52<tamaska>squircle: what have you been up to?
12:53<squircle>tamaska: midterms
12:54<tamaska>oh, okay.
12:54<tamaska>they going okay for you?
12:54<tamaska>what's your major? i'm majoring in mathematics.
12:55<squircle>computer engineering. we have "hell week" next week where all our classes are cancelled, but we have a midterm every day.
12:55<tamaska>awww, good luck!
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12:59<tamaska>has anyone tried installing skypekit on a linode and accessing it through libpurple and bitlbee?
12:59<tamaska>i admin a huge skype groupchat, and need a reliable way to access it from anywhere.
13:05<Katana>last time I tried getting skype and bitlbee to play nice on a server
13:05<Katana>i wanted to beat my head in
13:06<Katana>not a gentle process
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13:06*staticsafe beats Katana's head in
13:07<tamaska>Katana: i see.
13:07<tamaska>thank you.
13:07<Katana>if you manage to get it working, let me know.
13:07<Katana>i've not had the patience/time for a second attempt.
13:08<tamaska>i think i may be forced to install a full kde desktop, and use vnc/ssh
13:08<tamaska>since skypekit doesnt seem to be offered for linux at the momeny D:
13:08<tamaska>Katana: will do.
13:09<tamaska>i may need to dedicate a linode for that project, though XD i dont want skype interfering with other projects of mine.
13:11<Katana>full kde...?oh jeez
13:11<piney0>take a look at xvfb before installing a full desktop for one program. I have an GUI app I run in wine on a headless ubuntu machine that I control using x11vnc and tightvnc.
13:11<Katana>try to dump on a lightweight DE and toss KDE packages on top of it
13:11<Katana>piney0: that's...Wine...
13:12<tamaska>i'll take a look at other qt-based desktops first.
13:12<piney0>it wouldn't work without wine? hmm
13:12<Katana>piney0: wine is a different beast
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13:12<tamaska>windows skype never worked over wine as far as i ever knew.
13:13<tamaska>if i could run the latest and greatest skype over wine, that would have been nice.
13:13<Katana>not really, considering the lastest "skype" comes with wonderful ads being shoved down your throat
13:14<rkour>Hi everyone. Imagine 2 scenarios: A)I purchase directly a 1.5GB linode and B) I purchase first a 1GB and when needed I upgrade it to 1.5GB. Are there any performance or otherwise drawbacks with scenario B due to the resizing?
13:14<piney0>i don't see why i couldn't do the same thing without the whole wine layer added. it's been quite a few years since i set that up, so i couldn't be bothered messing around with it again now.
13:15<Katana>rkour: you'd need to transfer between host machines in B) which can take 5-10 minutes
13:16<rkour>Hi Katana. so beyond the 5-10 minutes downtime, no other drawbacks you could think of?
13:16<rkour>I mean, when you upgrade to a bigger size, you actually go to a brand new linode?
13:17<Katana>nodes of the same size are on like machines
13:17<rkour>oh ok, that solves my question then :)
13:17<Katana>there's machines for 512's, machines for 1gb nodes, machines for 2gb nodes, etc.
13:17<Katana>so if you upgrade, you change machines entirely
13:17<rkour>that's great
13:18<rkour>I guess everything plays out of the box after migration ..?
13:18<Katana>assuming your node itself is set for that, yeah
13:18<rkour>what do you mean by that?
13:18<linbot>Chris___: Yo mommas so fat, she doesnt handle more than 2 gigs! (778:12/6) [murmo]
13:19*Chris___ does back to idling
13:19<staticsafe>Chris___: whats with the tail?
13:19<Katana>Chris___ always has that tail
13:19<Chris___>can't have "Chris" or "Chris_" or "Chris__"
13:20<tamaska>tailless chris would be weirder :3
13:20<Katana>rkour: your system's own services etc. being configured for it
13:20<rkour>does the IP change after migration?
13:20<Chris___>13:20:12 -NickServ( Time registered: Thu 25 Feb 2010 06:19:53 +0000 (2y 3m 15d 11:00:19 ago)
13:20<Chris___>I've been with Linode for that long? :0
13:21<Katana>rkour: nay
13:22<rkour>ok great!
13:22<rkour>A last question :)
13:22<Katana>might need to expand the hard disk tho
13:22<Katana>tamaska: what is this catface doing here
13:22*tamaska scoops it up and stows it away.
13:22<tamaska>no reason. :D
13:22<Chris___>WHAT, is your favorite color?
13:22<tamaska>i dropped it.
13:22<tamaska>Blue, NO YELLOW
13:23*tamaska grins.
13:23*Chris___ goes back to slammin ghead against textbook, trying to learn by osmosis
13:23<Katana>tamaska: i win:
13:23*tamaska is defeated with catface
13:25<linbot>New news from forum: how to copy disk image of server to amazon aws S3 in General Discussion <>
13:25<rkour>In my previous VPS provider I had a 512MB node which I used for a dozen of PHP-based websites (including frameworks) and I had no reason to upgrade to something bigger. Now I will need to host 2 or 3 RoR apps without expecting though a large number of users (think of up to 5 concurrent users at most). Does anyone have experience with RoR apps as to suggest me an appropriate linode size?
13:26<tamaska>ruby on rails <3
13:26<rkour>yes I know , me too :D
13:26<XReaper>i got into an argument with someone over buying domains though a registrar once...
13:26<Chris___>while I don't know anything about RoR, I will yell aimlessly about how nginx is a much better httpd than apache
13:26<tamaska>nginx is really great for reverse proxies.
13:26<tamaska>never used it as a web application server before, though.
13:26<Chris___>and static file hosting, and lots of other things :p
13:26<rkour>I m hust a bit scared for the neediness of RoR apps when it comes to hosting
13:27<tamaska>ror webapps tend to be very sexy, though.
13:27<Chris___>rkour: good news is if you need more than 512, you can upgrade in less than a minute
13:27<tamaska>Chris___: less than a minute??
13:27<rkour>Chris OK, but where to start?
13:27<Chris___>tamaska: yeah; shut down Linode, upgrade size, RAM, whatever else, and boot it back up :D
13:28<rkour>is 512 realistic for 2-3 RoR apps running simultaneously?
13:28<tamaska>so if my webapp is choking, i can just bump up the plan, after quickly announcing a server outage? AWESOME.
13:30<Chris___>tamaska: unless you're doing something like IRCd hosting, I can't imagine a 60 second outage being that noticable
13:30<Chris___>rkour: ever run them before?
13:30<tamaska>yeah, but an ircd doesnt take much
13:30<rkour>nop, they are brand new
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13:30<tamaska>unless i'm linking to oftc or something.
13:31<rkour>They are not that heavy, just few simple RoR apps. I just don't know what to estimate for them as I have no experience with that. If it was for PHP apps I wouldn't be worried at all
13:31<Chris___>Hey #Linode, did you know that the protons from hydrogen atoms which enter the electron transport system are then released into the mitochondrial matrix?
13:31<Chris___>Just another useless fact from my homework -_-
13:31<tamaska>Chris___: didnt know that.
13:31<Chris___>Now you know
13:31<tamaska>and knowing is half the battle
13:31*Chris___ lol's
13:31<tamaska>G.I. Joe!
13:32*tamaska grins.
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13:35<tamaska>hmm. i suppose i could simply wget the skype for debian package on a debian 32-bit linode specifically for that, and then x-forward using ssh -xC skype, or whatever the command is, and simply access skype that way, but that requires that i have something that can x-forward
13:36<tamaska>though it would make running bitlbee and finch easy enough. i could use irssi connectbot to access bitlbee... hmm..
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13:47*tamaska yawns.
13:48<tamaska>so, the other day, i was visiting a new friend i found on okcupid, and his house was full of geeks and hippies :D we had a blast. i kindof want to run a fast minecraft server JUST to play with those guys.
13:48<tamaska>mod it to a tekkit server, and just go to town.
13:49*purrdeta eyes tamaska >.>
13:49*tamaska waves :D
13:50<tamaska>so, purrdeta, how have you been?
13:50<purrdeta>Pretty good. Destroying servers and such :P
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13:52<tamaska>yay destruction. i think i'm going to go with what a friend recommended, and have a seperate linode specifically for minecraft.
13:53<purrdeta>many linodes are a "good thing"
13:53*tamaska nods o.o
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14:00*tamaska is bored. He cant wait to get that job at starbucks. A lot of that money is going to linode, he can already tell XD
14:01<tamaska>anyway, i'm going to go play a game or something, see you linodians later.
14:03<linbot>New news from forum: Two virtual hosts with one IP and no domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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14:04<friggle>is my upload rate going to be capped by default? if so, to what?
14:04<mwalling>and if you ask, they'll raise it
14:05<mwalling>(it's there to protect you, to keep your machine from doing stupid shit)
14:05<friggle>mwalling: thanks. Do you know what the max is?
14:05<tamaska>hello mwalling :D
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14:10<linbot>Chris___: Yo mommas so weird, she walked past a furry convention and they eyed HER suspiciously! (749:9/0) [mmuro]
14:10*Chris___ giggles
14:10*tamaska giggles.
14:10<tamaska>hello staticsafe
14:11<staticsafe>hello tamaska
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14:12<tamaska>how have you been, staticsafe?
14:13<staticsafe>awesome, just got done playing some TA
14:13<tamaska>hey guys, how expensive would it be to get a few terabytes of backup space via a linode? would you guys even recommend doing that?
14:14<tamaska>i was thinking i could backup via sftp
14:15<staticsafe>tamaska: i wouldn't recommend that
14:15<tozz>would probably be a lot cheaper using some storage only solution like cloudfiles, s3, etc
14:15<tamaska>staticsafe: how would you recommend doing it, then?
14:15<staticsafe>what tozz said
14:15<tamaska>cloudfiles? googling.
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14:16<Chris___>hey #Linode, did you know your body has something called a
14:16<Chris___>13:01:20 -!- Irssi: #goose: Total of 6 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 2 voices, 0 normal]
14:16<Chris___>RAGE CLIPBOARD
14:16*purrdeta prefers S3 >.>
14:16<Chris___>hey #Linode, did you know your body has something called a juxtaglomerular apparatus?
14:16<Chris___>NOW YOU KNOW
14:16<ragnok>hi, cx hello ppl
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14:17<retro|blah>Why do you mention this Chris___
14:17<purrdeta>Although, I think cloudfiles has the potential to be cheaper
14:17<avorntur>monthly bandwith = up and down combined right?
14:17<Chris___>retro|blah: thing I'm learning from my homework, that I'm sharing with #Linode
14:17<retro|blah>avorntur: Up only. Down is not counted anymore
14:18<ragnok>can i trust in this command ? sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
14:18<retro|blah>Chris___: I was gonna ask if you fucked them up last night :3
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14:18<avorntur>ragnok: if you want to install apache, mysql and php, yes
14:18<tamaska>i prefer a flat monthly fee, because i dont want to get hit with a surprise.
14:18<Chris___>nah. just doing silly homework.
14:19<Chris___>though if you did fuck up your juxtaglomerular apparatus, you'd be pretty fucked :p
14:19<ragnok>avorntur, thanks, tha is what i want. i was just wondering if it was up to date, usually i always need some ppa for ubuntu :/
14:19<Chris___>it regulates the release of the hormone EPO, which is what tells your red bone marrow to produce more red blood cells
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14:24<ragnok>should i be carefull with sudo apt-get upgrade in a production ubuntu 10.04 server?
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14:26<tamaska>you mean sudo aptitude dist-upgrade ?
14:27<ragnok>yes, lamp stack
14:27<ragnok>i'm not sure what is -proposed
14:27<ragnok>i just know how to follow instructions, im a noob
14:28<ragnok>and a bit of javascript :D yay
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14:29<ragnok>ah, ok, i can live with that
14:29<ragnok>Hobo, what about 12.04? should i be using that or better wait a bit more?
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14:31<ragnok>ok, so i will stick with 10.04 for now, as i'm learning
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14:32<ragnok>SpaceHobbo, do you use php?
14:33<ragnok>poor php
14:33<ragnok>i just use because i'm not into backend stuff
14:33<ragnok>i just do js
14:35<ragnok>i was playing with node.js, i even created an app with it, but it's too complicated to deploy as there's lil docs, php is fully documented and it is easier for me. i just need a lil functionality
14:35<ragnok>i love node.js, is very nice, but it's only for the backend pros i'm afraid
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14:37<ragnok>well, thanks, i will go back to my jquery/animation job
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15:08<linbot>tamaska: Yo mommas so old, she makes Slackware look like beta software. (731:27/5) [urmom]
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16:01<Katana>I have a feeling linbot is going to be much chattier withthe recent board upgrade...
16:01<Katana>maybe there needs to be a bigger per-topic throttle o.o
16:01<mwalling>board upgrade?
16:01<Katana>they're on phpbb3 now
16:02<mwalling>they are?
16:02<mwalling>it looks the sam
16:02*tamaska noms the trailing e
16:02<mwalling>oh, i guess i see the bits of phpbb3 poking through
16:02<SleePy>There are tell tale signs...
16:03<Katana>mwalling: subsilver2
16:04<Katana>appears to be latest, checking a few signs
16:04<Katana>(protip: if the topic title's URI, on hover, has an &start=0 on the first page, they're stupidly out of date)
16:04<Katana>like, hover over the topic title link above new topic/ post reply buttons on the top
16:05<mwalling>i'm amazed people still use forums
16:07<@akerl>mwalling: What is your preferred alternative?
16:07<Katana>i'm amazed people still use irc instead of some "facebook chat room"
16:07<mwalling>ggroups? stack overflows? idk
16:09-!-mdcollins [] has quit [Quit: Gone]
16:09<mwalling>mailing lists in general
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16:10<Dion>Go back to Support on FreeNode =)
16:10<Katana>mailing lists suck when poorly moderated
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16:10<Dion>Everything does when "poorly" Katana.
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16:11<Katana>akerl: I think...we just had a freenode spammer?
16:11<Katana>I didn't know freenode had to resort to that
16:12<mwalling>16:09 -!- Dion [~Dion@unaffiliated/dion] has joined #linode
16:13<squircle>there was somebody in #linode on freenode earlier that said "I don't want to have to join another network"
16:13<@akerl>oftc so awesum
16:13<Katana>we're supposed to convenience them?
16:14<squircle>i don't understand why voice isn't required in #linode on freenode
16:14<squircle>linbot should just spam people to join this channel
16:14<squircle>s/spam/calmly remind/
16:14<Katana>they're perfectly capable of joining another network
16:16<SleePy>Their loss for not reading the /topic
16:18*wrf didn't know there was more than one channel on IRC
16:20<linbot>New news from forum: Ext4 troubles in General Discussion <>
16:26<tamaska>wrf: there are thousands of irc networks.
16:26<tamaska>many channels have sisters on sister networks.
16:26<staticsafe>tamaska: i think he was joking :P
16:26<wrf>ding ding ;P
16:27<tamaska>staticsafe: i've heard worse :P
16:27<wrf>i didn't know there was a sister #linode channel though
16:27<tamaska>it's apparently unpopulated and unofficial if it is
16:27<tamaska>let me check.
16:27<wrf>i was going to say.. if it's more than 416 users i'll go there instead ;D
16:28<wrf>it's probably the dark version ;)
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16:28<wrf>where booh is
16:29<tamaska>there are a ton of users there, but both /topic and ChanServ GREETING say to come here.
16:29<avenj>and owner is 'freenode-staff'
16:29<wrf>original channel maybe?
16:29<avenj>wrf: registration is older for this one
16:29<avenj>dunno though
16:29<staticsafe>i have sadly noted that no one reads channel topics -_-
16:30<avenj>probably somebody non-linode-affiliated registered it at some point and fnode repo'd it on account of being a '#' channel
16:30<avenj>pure guessing though
16:31<zeppelin>i go on freenode all the time, i didn't know there was a channel for linode on freenode
16:31<zeppelin>i got this server from linodes website
16:31<@heckman>This is the official IRC channel for Linode.
16:32<tamaska>i only came to oftc for this.
16:32<tamaska>hello heckman
16:32<wrf>so freenode's not closing that channel since it gives them users apparently..
16:33<@akerl>Why would they close it?
16:33<avenj>70k current global users, they could probably survive without
16:33<wrf>are you mods over there too?
16:33<zeppelin>when i first setup my linode i foolishly used all of the space and didn't create any seperate partitions for back up. what is the best way about backing up the files on my linode? i want to back up the files then i want to wipe the drive and switch distros
16:34<@akerl>zeppelin: Shut down and shrink the disk?
16:34<@akerl>Then deploy using available space, and adjust your new config profile so the old disk is /dev/xvdc
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16:34<zeppelin>akerl: i can shrink the drive with out effecting the os and what not?
16:34<@akerl>That way, you can boot the new distro, mount the old one, and migrate everything over as needed. You can remove the old disk image when you're done and resize the new disk up
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16:34<@akerl>For ext3 disks deployed via the manager, yes
16:36<zeppelin>akerl: in the menu "rebuild" and "deployment disk size" is that what you're talking about?
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16:37<SleePy>wrf: If you look at who set the topic last, you would get an answer :P
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16:37<@akerl>zeppelin: Nah, select the disk image itself, input new size, then submit
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16:37<friggle>anyone know the easiest way off hand to create and seed a torrent?
16:38<cantonic>hey there. are any people from the customer service here?
16:38<@akerl>cantonic: Ello
16:38<@akerl>This is the community, feel free to ask whatever, but official support is via ticket/email/phone
16:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
16:38<zeppelin>akerl: oh i see, i can even resize the swap too aye?
16:39<@akerl>You can, but you shouldn't need to for what you're describing
16:39<@akerl>Especially since the new distro can use the existing swap
16:39<cantonic>ok. will have to write an email then. thank you. it is because of a failed payment and my account will be suspended. have to avoid it because i can load funds on my CC in 3 days and tomorrow my account will be closed
16:40<@akerl>cantonic: Yea, I'd recommend responding to an existing billing ticket or opening a new ticket
16:40<cantonic>akerl: ok, thank you
16:40<zeppelin>akerl: well i have 5 or 6 websites on the linode right now and ive been close to running out of RAM, so would making a bigger swap help?
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16:41<@akerl>If you're running out of RAM, you'll want to find out why and fix it; Apache/mod-php/MaxClients is the first place to look
16:41<Resnik>good evening guys
16:42<@akerl>Once you're out of RAM and thrashing swap, your server is pretty well dead
16:43<staticsafe>and then comes the might oomkiller
16:43<Resnik>what would be best free alternative of cPanel to install on my linode, and I plan to host/run opencart webpage?
16:43<zeppelin>akerl: ty so much, i am just getting used to linodes control panel pretty neat how you can switch between so many distros and resize the disk like that on the fly
16:43<@akerl>Resnik: SSH :)
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16:45<Resnik>akerl: well ok, I installed php, sql, apache2
16:45<zeppelin>Resnik: you should turn password authentication off and use public key authentication with ssh
16:45<@akerl>Or use strong passwords
16:45<zeppelin>that way only people with the key can't get in and it also prevents people from trying to bruteforce their way in
16:45<Resnik>zeppelin: thanks for that, will do that
16:46<Resnik>on a side note, any way to use personal certificate to auth ?
16:46<zeppelin>personal certificate?
16:46<@akerl>There's an SSH patch that does that, but not using standard OpenSSH to my knowledge
16:49<Resnik>ty for that
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16:51<zeppelin>akerl: im currently using ubuntu on my server, i was thinking of switching to gentoo.
16:51<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
16:51<zeppelin>akerl: could i get better performance out of another distro like say gentoo or slackware?
16:52<zeppelin>i use gentoo at home
16:52<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
16:52<zeppelin>i havent played with slackware yet but i have slax somewhere on usb
16:52<@akerl>You will, generally speaking, find better results with a distro you're more familiar with
16:53<zeppelin>i think its a tossup between gentoo and arch
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16:57<tamaska>arch is too l33t for me.
16:57<tamaska>i can barely handle straight debian.
16:57<staticsafe>Debian 4 lyfe yo
16:57<tamaska>debian <3
16:57<staticsafe>Linux 3.0.18-linode43 #1 SMP Mon Jan 30 11:44:09 EST 2012 i686 GNU/Linux
16:58<tamaska>that is cool. is an irc network?
16:59<@akerl>Why is your hostname a FQDN?
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16:59<bonjurkes>wub wub wub
16:59<tamaska>hello there.
16:59<Katana>because he's insane
17:00<tamaska>in the membrane
17:00<staticsafe>Beastie Boys \o/
17:00<bonjurkes>backstreet boys o// \\o
17:01*tamaska delicately places a few cats in the channel.
17:01<staticsafe>save them before Katana devours them
17:02<tamaska>Katana: you nom kitties?
17:02*bonjurkes places a plenty of dogs into the channel
17:02<Resnik>ok, so if we go from scratch, to install a web server: "sudo apt-get install php5 libapache2-mod-php5" ?
17:02<Katana>why would i do this
17:02<staticsafe>Resnik: also apache2 :)
17:02<bonjurkes>resnik nginx is better than apache2 :P
17:02<@akerl>No no no no no
17:02<HoopyCat>presumably, libapache2-mod-php5 would pull in apache2 as a dependency
17:02<bonjurkes>you will need mysql also
17:03<HoopyCat>also, php5 isn't a web server, it's a disaster
17:04<tamaska>php5 is a widely accepted web application programming language. (though i honestly prefer ruby on rails)
17:04<Resnik>too much info ffs :D
17:04<Nivex>akerl, lsabota: Good to meet you guys yesterday.
17:04<Resnik>well i prefer django
17:04<tamaska>django is interesting.
17:04<CaptObviousman>Nivex: didn't you were there too
17:04<tamaska>python is still better than php for web applications.
17:05*CaptObviousman accidentally a word
17:05<@akerl>Nivex: Same to you!
17:06<CaptObviousman>akerl: good to see you survived the after party
17:07<cornishpasty>Stupid linode :(
17:07*tamaska is a newbie who is currently drooling over the prospect of getting a bunch of linodes and running game servers for his friends. :3
17:07<bonjurkes>ipv6 party?
17:08<avorntur>hmm, is there an option somewhere to see traffic in bytes instead of bits per second? (on the graphs)
17:08<@akerl>Wishing I could stay in Charlotte longer. Definitely not looking forward to heading back to NJ
17:08<avorntur>(dashboard graphs)
17:08<@akerl>avorntur: Why not just convert?
17:08<cornishpasty>Can anyone on a UK linode connect to quake net?
17:08*staticsafe plays with new release of Sabayon
17:08<avorntur>akerl: it's late, and my brain forgets it's bits sometimes
17:08<tamaska>akerl: is it possible to load a livedvd image on a linode?
17:09<@akerl>tamaska: Negative. If you have a local installation, you can push it to your Linode with Finnix
17:09<HoopyCat>avorntur: hm... not that i know of. (bits/sec is the accepted way to present network traffic, so it tends to be the default for everything)
17:09<HoopyCat>avorntur: but yes, divide by 8.
17:09<tamaska>akerl: okay. so i'd use finnix for something like that?
17:10<@akerl>tamaska: something like that
17:11<@akerl>CaptObviousman: Sad I didn't get to catch some talks :< gotta convince zomg to accompany us next time
17:11<CaptObviousman>bonjurkes: nope, lemon party
17:12<CaptObviousman>Verizons nerwork keeps dying grrrr
17:12<bonjurkes>captobviousman what lemon
17:12<@akerl>bonjurkes: Google it?
17:12<HoopyCat>CaptObviousman: mosh :-)
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17:12<CaptObviousman>bonjurkes: yeah google it
17:12<@akerl>I'm still on hotel wifi, which is similar to being on no wifi
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17:13*tamaska is reading the howto, may be slow to respond
17:13<bonjurkes>akerl captobviousman really? u dont say? I only find some political party thing. That's why I ask
17:14<Nivex>akerl: It's pretty bad when I couldn't tell whether my EDGE phone service or the wifi was slower.
17:15<@akerl>I give major thanks to the SELF/Slackware folks for getting conference wifi working, despite horrible luck with ISPs
17:15*tamaska giggles.
17:16<bonjurkes>akerl thanks dude
17:16<bonjurkes>plus gfy
17:16<@akerl>Let's not paste things like that in the channel, kthnx?
17:17<cornishpasty>Can anyone on a UK linode connect to Quakenet?
17:17<bonjurkes>akerl that is same as what you pasted. Why you mind now?
17:17*tamaska doesnt want to know.
17:17<@akerl>bonjurkes: I pasted a like via google to wikipedia...
17:17<@akerl>also a link
17:18<hawk>akerl: Uhm... your lmgtfy goes to something I would rather unsee as well
17:18<@akerl>Seriously? I even tested it. From here, top result is wikipedia page
17:18<linbot>New news from forum: Two virtual hosts with one IP and no domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
17:18<bonjurkes>akerl pmed you what you have pasted
17:19<@akerl>Mea culpa then
17:19<HoopyCat>remember, everyone gets different google results
17:19<bonjurkes>thanks for teaching me how to google btw
17:19<@akerl>HoopyCat: I duckduckgo, I forget about the bubble sometimes :<
17:19<HoopyCat>(i get urbandictionary)
17:20<@akerl>Maybe I need to create a "let me duckduckgo that for you".com
17:20<HoopyCat>akerl: the verb is 'to duck'
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17:20<Nivex>♫ We will, we will Duck you! ♫
17:21<@akerl>Argh, isn't available
17:22<cornishpasty>Doesn't duckduckgo use bing?
17:22<cornishpasty>Nobody uses bing if they want relevant results...
17:22<hawk>cornishpasty: Pretty sure they do their own thing
17:23<HoopyCat> and are entirely different
17:23<HoopyCat>ergo, bing and duckduckgo are entirely different
17:23<linbot>New news from forum: Not sure I understand the backup scheme in General Discussion <>
17:23<cornishpasty>Ergo, both completely irrelevant :P
17:24<HoopyCat>the "Official site" tag on the top result on ddg is absolutely terrifying
17:24<Nivex>bing bingo?
17:24<@akerl>cornishpasty: DDG says they're doing their own thing. If you wish to refute that, I'd love to see a query where both return the same thing
17:25<cornishpasty>Fair enough
17:25<cornishpasty>I know bing use google :P
17:25<@akerl>Science all the things :)
17:25<tamaska>you can always ask #duckduckgo/FreeNode
17:25<@akerl>Yea, but... freenode
17:25<tamaska>i dont like freenode either.
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17:25<cornishpasty>Could be worse, could be OFTC/#duckduckgo
17:25<@akerl>What's wrong with OFTC?
17:25<tamaska>it's like skype, i'm there because everyone else is there.
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17:26<HoopyCat>akerl: and!b+lemon+party are exactly the same, right down to the CSS
17:26<@akerl>HoopyCat: Cheater :P
17:26*tamaska sticks his tongue out at hoopycat
17:27<cornishpasty>akerl: what's right with OFTC?
17:27<@akerl>cornishpasty: CertFP
17:27<@akerl>And they rock
17:28<tamaska>i'm unfamiliar with oftc. i'm pretty sure oftc predates freenode, and isnt associated with canonical
17:28<HoopyCat>you can use your own web-based IRC client
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17:28<@akerl>tamaska: Who suggested OFTC had any connection to canonical? Or does Freenode?
17:29<tamaska>akerl: as i understand it, freenode is completely controlled by canonical
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17:29<hawk>tamaska: Uhm, really?
17:29<tamaska>i could be mistaken
17:29<cornishpasty>akerl: yay for superfluous features :P
17:29<tamaska>let me double check that.
17:29<@akerl>tamaska: Searching for "canonical" on !wiki freenode returns 0 hits
17:30<@akerl>cornishpasty: How is that superfluous?
17:30<Resnik>need some help here, with apache2,php,mysql installed, I did, apt-get phpmyadmin, however if i go to my domain/phpmyadmin i get 404?
17:30<@akerl>Seamless secure auth?
17:30<tamaska>akerl: okay, someone lied to me.
17:30*tamaska is reading
17:30<cornishpasty>Because that's *so* necessary :P
17:31<lsabota>Nivex: it was great to meet you as well! self was a blast !!
17:31<HoopyCat>Resnik: in the <VirtualHost> stanza for domain (or above it), is /phpmyadmin configured to exist?
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17:31-!-mode/#linode [+o lsabota] by ericoc
17:32<tamaska>ugh. someone lied to me. i cant believe i believed it.
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17:33<CaptObviousman>this is news to me (the Freenode-Canonical thibg)
17:33<HoopyCat>CaptObviousman: nod, it's on the internet
17:34<CaptObviousman>which means I should believe it
17:34<CaptObviousman>I mean, when has the internet ever led me astray?
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17:36*tamaska giggles.
17:36<HoopyCat>d'oh, wife's home; time to close all of these tabs with searches for 'lemon party'
17:37<CaptObviousman>what a pity I can't click links on my cell phone
17:45<Kyhwana>CaptObviousman: get a better cell phone
17:47<tamaska>needs more android
17:47<tamaska>cyanogenmod <3
17:48<HoopyCat>or an iphone; i hear that siri will give you directions to a lemon party near you
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17:48<staticsafe>tamaska: CM9 ftw
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17:53<tamaska>CM9 <3
17:53*tamaska wants to get a samsung galaxy s 2 and put cm8 on it, and mod it heavily.
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17:55<Nivex>I'm mulling a galaxy nexus
17:57<tamaska> oh heck yes
17:57<tamaska>samsung galaxy s iii
17:57<tamaska>i didnt know it was out yet
18:00<Resnik>what is good ftp server to use?
18:00<tamaska>ftp server?
18:00<@heckman>Resnik: use SFTP
18:01<tamaska>SCP/SFTP for the win
18:01<@heckman>It comes installed with OpenSSH so you already have it.
18:01<@heckman>And your users' passwords aren't transmitted over plain text.
18:01<tamaska>i hate plaintext anything.
18:01<tamaska>everything should use encryption by default
18:02<Resnik>time to google sftp :)
18:02<@heckman>Eh, it's overkill sometimes. Overhead and all
18:03<tamaska>if everyone uses it for everything, then no one can say "why keep it private? have something to hide"
18:03<Resnik> i have a feeling its gonna be hard to configure
18:03*heckman has never heard anyone say that
18:03<@heckman>Resnik: you have it already
18:04<tamaska>heckman: the government says it without literally saying the words.
18:04<@heckman>It's part of your SSH server (OpenSSH). Just get an SFTP client (WinSCP on Windows, Cyberduck on OS X) connect as a user and enter the password.
18:04<tamaska>that anyone who wants privacy has something to hide.
18:04*linbot gets the tinfoil hats ready
18:05<tamaska>Resnik: sftp is built in to openssh. if you use windows, download winscp
18:05<tamaska>linbot: i wonder if people still maintain tinfoilhat linux
18:05<Resnik>np, it works ye
18:05<Resnik>I'm using filezilla to connect
18:06<tamaska>huh. didnt know filezill had sftp/scp support.
18:06<vraa>i love fillezilla, it supports ssh ftp
18:06<vraa>that way you dont have to install a ftp server
18:06<vraa>but i dont know if it supports public key auth for ssh server
18:07<GLaDOSDan>it does
18:07<vraa>there u go, filezilla is perfect!
18:07<tamaska>i once blocked a very old friend for calling me overly paranoid. he called me other things, but overly paranoid was the most incomprehensible.
18:08<tamaska>i dont think it is possible to be overly paranoid
18:08<@akerl>Yes it is
18:08<Resnik>now question, how can I add var/www so I can access to it via sftp?
18:08<tamaska>well, maybe if you get paranoid to the point where you cannot get anything actually accomplished, maybe.
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18:08<tamaska>but just taking precautions where it doesnt interfere that much with daily life? why would that be overly paranoid?
18:09*tamaska puts on his tinfoil hat and grins.
18:09<tamaska>i dont actually believe that aliens are trying to read my mind, but whatever.
18:10<tamaska>even if it were physically possible to comprehend every individual person's mindstate using a wireless elecrtonic device, i highly doubt tinfoil is going to block anything.
18:12<tamaska>Resnik: hmm. i believe you can navigate to it via sftp.
18:12<tamaska>just tell filezilla to go up from your home folder, and navigate to /var/www
18:12<tamaska>because it's basically an ssh2 connection
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18:14<Resnik>tamaska: you are right, I navigated out of my home folder :)
18:15<Resnik>damn, I kinda like this aproach
18:15<swaj>my server is in Joe's Datacenter :)
18:16<Resnik>now lets see how porting my opencart website to linode will go
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18:17<Kyhwana>Resnik: whats to port? just copy your code over, done
18:17<tamaska>yay sql :<
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18:20<Resnik>nah, should be easy (i hope)
18:20<swaj>2012-06-10 17:20:27 (8.15 MB/s) - "100mb.test" saved [104857600/104857600]
18:20<swaj>not too shabby :)
18:21<staticsafe>how is the latency?
18:21*CaptObviousman is finally clearing his hangover
18:21<linbot>swaj: timed out
18:21<CaptObviousman>new personal best for a non-vomiting hangover
18:22<staticsafe>swaj: avg 39ms from Newark
18:22<CaptObviousman>it's 6:21, I had just passed out 14 hours ago
18:22<linbot>swaj: [mtr] 12 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 27.0ms (urmom)
18:22<swaj>not too bad
18:23<swaj>it was the fastest install ever.
18:23<CaptObviousman>of what?
18:23<swaj>plopped it in the rack, powered up, and it was gold. Evidently I did everything right :P
18:23<swaj>my colo
18:23<swaj>they gave me a /29 for now, so I can give 4 VM's external IP's... but I'll probably order more later :)
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18:23<CaptObviousman>neat congrats
18:24<swaj>IPv6 is coming next week when they install the new switches.
18:24<swaj>I'll get a /64
18:24<swaj>and apparently a gigabit port upgrade
18:24<swaj>I've got bonded 100 mbit (dual nics) atm
18:25<CaptObviousman>not nearly enough
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18:29<swaj>decided to go with KVM afterall. I got the LVM disks working
18:29<swaj>is soooo fast
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18:32<staticsafe>swaj: what distro(s) are you running?
18:32<swaj>debian squeeze
18:32<swaj>as the dom0 at least
18:32<swaj>loading up a FreeBSD 9.0 domU right now :)
18:34<Resnik>hmm, how to unpack .rar in ubuntu?
18:34<staticsafe>sudo apt-get install unrar
18:34<Resnik>unrar-free kinda gives me errors when i try to unpack it
18:35<@akerl>sudo make me a tarball?
18:35<vraa>swaj, how much experience do u have with deb squeeze with kvm? what happens if you break something
18:37<swaj>vraa: it's proxmox :P
18:37<swaj>vraa: but I did a custom install because Proxmox doesn't let you do the partitioning yourself
18:37<swaj>vraa: so I installed vanilla deb squeeze, and then added all the pve stuff on top of it
18:38<vraa>but proxmox uses openvz
18:38<swaj>it uses KVM and OpenVZ
18:38<swaj>I don't use the OpenVZ stuff at all
18:39<swaj>I'm just doing pure KVM
18:39<vraa>so instead of using openvz containers you're just spinning up a new kvm guest
18:39<swaj>and giving each guest an actual logical volume on a big-ass VG
18:39<swaj>via LVM
18:40<swaj>the dom0 root only has a small amount of space -- almost everything is dedicated to guest storage in a huge volume group
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18:41<vraa>very nice
18:42<mcinerney>what's fun is where you give a secondary LV to the guests, with no partitioning, just sitting LVM on top. live resizing of a VMs disks whilst live
18:44<mcinerney>we run 300-350 guests at work currently, so don't wish to allocate large chunks of local disk to them because you never know where it'll be needed. so being able to continally add more chunks without rebooting is great
18:46<swaj>basically I just made a volume group, but it's empty
18:46<swaj>and then when I want to give a guest some space, I just give in a new logical volume, or extend its existing volume
18:46<swaj>then grow the partition in the guest and boom, done.
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19:10<Lagger>hey does anyone use node.js on linode?
19:10<Lagger>if so - where is a great place to start learning about dev with it
19:11<Kyhwana>google, I imagine
19:11<Lagger>thanks that is extremely helpful
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19:11<Lagger>exactly what i expect from a professional developer
19:11<Kyhwana>Lagger: try an o'reilly book
19:12<+dwfreed>from what I've seen, node.js has really good API documentation
19:12<Katana>o'reilly is typically a very good publisher
19:12<Lagger>i know how to sift through tons of info - i mean does anyone know a specific book / site that is good
19:12<Lagger>o'reilly also has tons of not so good books
19:12<Lagger>but thanks anyways
19:12<Katana>right now, node's pretty young
19:12<Katana>you're not going to find that much compared to other languages
19:13<Katana>You'll have to scrape stuff together; try opening up various projects and then taking them apart
19:13<swaj> -- -- -- all good
19:13<Lagger>ty swaj
19:13<swaj>there's another really good one Ian has... trying to remember
19:14<Lagger>tyvm swaj
19:14<Xnc>wher do u get the linode phone app
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19:15<swaj>that's the one
19:15<swaj>it's pretty cool
19:15<swaj>reading from a joystick input with node :)
19:16<Xnc>found it
19:16<Xnc>no android app:(
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19:19<Resnik>internal server error 500 ... crap :S
19:20<+dwfreed>yay log files :)
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19:37<swaj>woo, freebsd working with virtio :)
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20:13<linbot>New news from forum: DNS DDoS Attack in Linux Networking <>
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20:25<linbot>New news from forum: DNS DDoS Attack in Linux Networking <>
20:31<linbot>New news from forum: DNS DDoS Attack in Linux Networking <>
20:34<rnowak>GLaDOSDan: that's totally a responsible thing to recommend
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20:46<GLaDOSDan>rnowak: :)
20:46<GLaDOSDan>Guy wanted to know how to get a new IP, so I told him :x
20:46<GLaDOSDan>Not that it's really the right way to go about it >_>
20:48<internat>thats odd.. it hought linode normally null routed ddos?
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20:50<GLaDOSDan>I believe that's only if it is a problem for other customers / is requested by the customer, internat
20:50<GLaDOSDan>But I may be wrong
20:54<EugeneKay>If he's running a DNS server he should drop all traffic from the attacking IP's /24s and it should go away soon enough
20:54<Kyhwana>well, it's only 1.5mbit
20:54<EugeneKay>If he's not running a DNS server he should drop all TCP/UDP:53, and for that matter all ports he ain't listening on.
20:55<EugeneKay>Sending REJECT messages eats bandwdith!
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20:58<Getty4>i've add a MySQL User Getty for website database
20:59<Getty4>but I caught into issue connecting my joomla to the database
20:59<Getty4>and I can only login using root
20:59<Getty4>any reason?
20:59<Getty4>connect using root
21:03<EugeneKay>Probably because you didn't add the new user correclty.
21:04<Getty4>i follow this guide
21:04<EugeneKay>!google mysql show privileges
21:04<linbot>EugeneKay: SHOW GRANTS Syntax - MySQL: <>; SHOW PRIVILEGES Syntax - MySQL: <>; SHOW PRIVILEGES Syntax - MySQL: <>; SHOW PRIVILEGES - MySQL: < (2 more messages)
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21:05<EugeneKay>SHOW GRANTS FOR 'user'@'localhost', see what it says.
21:08<Getty4>wrong command?
21:20<ajmitch>yay, new security bug for mysql
21:21<Katana>ajmitch: how's it attacked?
21:21<rnowak>Katana: it is probably depressed over its own state and commits suicide
21:22<ajmitch>trivial brute force on passwords,
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21:23<ajmitch>yeah, though it apparantly relies on how memcmp() works on a system - still a bit of a problem though
21:23<Kyh_>well, not all versions are vulnerable
21:23<Katana>ajmitch: ugh.
21:23<rnowak>ajmitch: it should indeed not depend on the compiler to correct its mistake
21:24<Katana>affects mariadb AND mysql
21:26*ajmitch wishes that migrating to postgresql didn't require code changes to get away from braindead assumptions about mysql
21:26<rnowak>ajmitch: do it! !!!
21:26<Getty4>grant usage on *.* to 'user1'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD 'xxxxxxx'
21:26<Getty4>something wront with '@'%'
21:26<mwalling>ajmitch: shoulda used an ORM
21:26<rnowak>that's also such a bad idea ^
21:26<Getty4>how to remove that?
21:26<mwalling>ORM ALL THE THINGS
21:27<rnowak>no, bad mwalling
21:27<ajmitch>mwalling: yeah, the app dates back a few years & was written for php 4.x
21:27<ajmitch>so no
21:27<rnowak>data layer abstraction - ok, I may let you slip through with that one, but ORMs are the devil
21:27<avenj>DBIx::Class is rather nice
21:28<Katana>mwalling: let's orm together
21:28<rnowak>how to know you'll never need the multi-db support that an ORM provides: you're using postgres
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21:32<Getty4>mysql database issue
21:32<Getty4><Getty4> grant usage on *.* to 'user1'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD 'xxxxxxx'
21:32<Getty4>i rerun the create user, but seems not able to resolve the problem
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21:37<dcraig>all systems are go
21:37<dcraig>Getty4, report to basecamp
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21:38<chesty>Getty4: that won't work if you use localhost in the dsn
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21:43<Getty4>problem with 'localhost' on the guide
21:43<Getty4>should be grant all DB.* to 'user1'@'localhost' identified by xxxxx
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21:51*bintut waves
21:51<bintut>i'm wondering if it's possible to capture both the fqhn and its ip address in a single tcpdump command. any idea?
21:52<bintut>basically, i only want to capture the header only of all protocols in my server's traffic. but i want to get both the fqhn and ip address including the src/dst ports and protocols. any idea? thanks!
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22:04<Kyhwana>uh, just do it by IP?
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22:04<Kyhwana>for whatever IP your fqhn resolves to
22:05<bintut>Kyhwana: both the fqhn and its ip address at the same time on a different column
22:06<Kyhwana>don't think you can do that with tcpdump
22:06<bintut>any other tool in mind?
22:07<@heckman>Might be able with WireShark. No idea tho
22:07<rnowak>what is the use case of having both available
22:10<bintut>rnowak: for monthly monitoring and stats
22:10<@akerl>Why do you want both?
22:11<@heckman>bintut: why can't your script just grab PTR record of IP?
22:11<@akerl>I'd aggregate by IP. If you want to reverse IPs once they're aggregated, have add it. 'dig -x'
22:11<Katana>heckman: virtualhosts?
22:11<bintut>akerl: it's the requirement
22:11<@akerl>Katana: You wouldn't see virtualhosts in tcpdump anyway
22:11<@akerl>It's all IPs and rDNS
22:11<Katana>akerl: probably not, nah
22:12<Katana>bintut: Why is it a requirement? What is the purpose for your logging?
22:12<@akerl>bintut: What requirement?
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22:12<Katana>is it something like website access stats?
22:12<bintut>heckman and akerl: it'll be 2 commands already.
22:13<@akerl>As I said: log by one, look up to the other once it's logged. I'd log IP
22:13<bintut>the pipe is 10mbps at 10k concurrent users
22:14<@akerl>That's cool
22:14<rnowak>doing fqdn resolution in tcpdump is pretty asinine, fyi
22:14<@heckman>bintut: so keep a record of IP addresses you already looked up/
22:14<@akerl>bintut: Which is why doing dns resolution in there is going to be painful
22:14<Katana>cache smartly!
22:15*staticsafe caches Katana
22:15<@akerl>What is your end goal?
22:15<bintut>what do you guys suggest?
22:15<Katana>*why are you doing this*
22:15<Katana>you're asking for suggestions when you're being very vague about your purpose
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22:16<linbot>New news from forum: DNS DDoS Attack in Linux Networking <>
22:16<rnowak>bintut: stuff the IPs in a database, when a new one is entered, trigger a process that will look up the rDNS for it and log the result together with the timestamp
22:17<@akerl>I'm still waiting for the reason for logging rDNS at all
22:18<bintut>monitoring and stats of src ip, src port, dst ip, dst port, dst fqhn, protocol, etc
22:18<@akerl>What is your end goal?
22:18<rnowak>tcpdump really is not meant for this, and do you have any idea how much space you'll need if you'll want to log every single packet header at 10mbps 24/7? :)
22:18<Katana>you're saying what you want to do, but not why you want to do it.
22:18<bintut>akerl: monitoring and stats
22:19<rnowak>stats of what? random packets?
22:19<rnowak>why not just intall ntop and call it a day?
22:19<@akerl>I hear /dev/urandom is full of stats to be monitored
22:19<rnowak>akerl: you have no idea!
22:19<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
22:19<chesty>you can't print the fqdn in real time, you have to look it up which takes time
22:19<Kyhwana>you probably want ntop or something similar
22:19<Katana>Additionally, don't redact what the hell you're trying to do.
22:19<bintut>traffic by fqhn, traffic by users, etc
22:20<@akerl>bintut: Why not store traffic by IP?
22:20<Kyhwana>bintut: for virtualhosts, just look at your webserver logs
22:20<@akerl>And how will you get user from tcpdump?
22:20<Katana>for what? A webserver? A VPN? A pie factory?
22:20<rnowak>Kyhwana: is there an echo in here?
22:20<Kyhwana>rnowak: what?
22:20<@akerl>is there an echo in here?
22:20<rnowak>02:19:17 rnowak: why not just intall ntop and call it a day?
22:20<Katana>is there an akerl in here?
22:21<Kyhwana>Is there a cakers bathroom in here?
22:21<bintut>sorry, this is not for a linode. this is for my other project on a small isp.
22:21<Katana>there is no caker bathrooms
22:21<@akerl>bintut: That's not the relevant part
22:21<Kyhwana>oh, now we care even less
22:21<rnowak>we do?
22:21<Katana>'re looking to do deep packet inspection?
22:21<@akerl>For what purpose are you logging things?
22:22<bintut>akerl: lawful intercept
22:22<rnowak>it could also be illegal depending on where you are, ignorantia juris non excusat
22:23<Kyhwana>bintut: so go buy a lawful intercept solution, there's loads of them out there
22:23<rnowak>step 1: take it up with a lawyer, step 2: hire someone that knows what they are doing to set it up for you
22:23<Kyhwana>Or buy something from Endace or riverbed or something
22:24<bintut>ok then. sorry to waste your time for my tcpdump question
22:24<Katana>good luck with getting any measure of performance out of it
22:24<@akerl>You don't have a tcpdump question.
22:24<rnowak>you're welcome
22:25<bintut>akerl: it's my first message here. but nevermind. thanks anyway!
22:25<Katana>!help ipinfo
22:25<linbot>Katana: (ipinfo <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
22:25<Katana>whoever runs, linbot's not able to get to it.
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22:26<bintut>thanks guys and sorry to waste your time and effort
22:26<chesty>that would be SelfishMan
22:26<staticsafe>Katana: its been down all day
22:27<Katana>dammit SelfishMan!
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22:28<Daevien>Katana: i'm guessing you didn't try to actually go to it appears to be completely non responsive
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22:32*Praefectus blames Daevien
22:36<Daevien>i was busy walking around, i didn't break anything today!
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22:39<@Praefectus>lies! you cant walk anywhere in canadialand
22:40<@Praefectus>you has to ride a horse!
22:42<Daevien>"He started in Riviere-du-Loup, a town on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River" .... aka, in Quebec. they are all crazy in Quebec
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22:42<staticsafe>Ontario > *
22:42<Daevien>plus ya know, thats not a cross canada trip
22:42<Daevien>since you skipped ns, nb, nfl & pei
22:43<Daevien>staticsafe: think you meant ns > ontario > *
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22:44<@Praefectus>i say you both pick up swords (or baseball bats) and fight to the death, whoever wins is right
22:45<staticsafe>hockey sticks?
22:45<@Praefectus>that would work too
22:45<@Praefectus>but it has to be broadcast
22:45<scorche>ick - ontario
22:45<scorche>give me BC anyday
22:46<@Praefectus>3rd contestant?
22:46<rnowak>Praefectus: if we're lucky, they will end each other
22:46*staticsafe ends rnowak
22:46<Daevien>quiet mowak
22:46<Kyhwana>9 goto 20
22:46<rnowak>sorry, I do not understand french canadian
22:47<Daevien>i'm not a french canadian
22:47<Katana>rnowak: alternatively
22:48<Katana>rnowak: "I don't speak frog."
22:48<rnowak>canadian frog, at least
22:49<auraka>Praefectus: make it a challenge....Sunday New York bats are too easy
22:51<@Praefectus>sunday times rolled around a piece of rebar?
22:52<auraka>no...Sunday New York times by itself is heavy enough to do damage
22:52<@Praefectus>it would take too long
22:52<auraka>but it would be entertaining as hell
22:52<Daevien>is that like a dead tree thing you backwards US people still use? that NY times thing?
22:53<@Praefectus>not if i have to sit through days of watching them beat each other
22:53<@Praefectus>Daevien: yea, you know, like the can+string thing you canadians still use to communicate
22:53<avenj>canadians can communicate?
22:53<avenj>who knew
22:53<auraka>usually through grunts
22:54<Katana>avenj: yes, on rare occasion when their teeth stop chattering
22:54<Daevien>Praefectus: when did you come down from the hills and learn big words like communicate? i thought rednecks didn't go to school
22:54<scorche>avenj: eh?
22:55<@Praefectus>sorry, wrong region dawg, i was born in NJ, not the south
22:55<Daevien>Praefectus: oh, wannabe redneck with the guns & all. thats worse?
22:55<auraka>Daevien: think jersey shore...
22:55<Daevien>auraka: heh
22:55<@Praefectus>auraka: central jersey, kthx
22:55<scorche>Daevien: yeah - you should be talking about the radiation/sewage interfering with X or Y
22:55<Daevien>do i have to? jersey shore makes me want to smack people
22:56<auraka>Praefectus has more popped collars than you have dolla bills yo
22:56<avenj>zomg guns
22:57<@Praefectus>auraka: so ive popped what? 3 collaras?
22:57<@Praefectus>collars, to
22:57<@Praefectus>nonspelling person today
22:57<Daevien>Praefectus: did you get too close to heckman and catch something?
22:58<@Praefectus>its possible, we do live in the same building, maybe it leaked through the walls
22:58<rnowak>same building? and I thought the same city was bad enough
22:58<Daevien>you live next to him as well as work? how is he still alive?
22:59<@Praefectus>im on the 3rd floor, hes on the first floor and over a unit
22:59<rnowak>so you take dumps on him
22:59<auraka>Praefectus: doesn't dwfreed live in the same building?
22:59<@Praefectus>auraka: nop
23:00<rnowak>auraka: he probably lives in a home for special people
23:00<auraka>rnowak: like the x-men mansion?
23:00<Daevien>rnowak: i thought that was where heckman lived...
23:01<Daevien>maybe caker locks all linode employees in the basement and thats why they say they live in the same building.. and why ticket times are so low...
23:02<@Praefectus>plz2be unlocking my ankle chain, need a cigarette
23:02<@Praefectus>oops, wrong channel, disregard
23:02<chesty>no smokers allowed in space
23:03<@Praefectus>i have a smoking lounge on my platform
23:03<chesty>your platform isn't in space
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23:03<@Praefectus>yes it is, its just not finished yet
23:03<Katana>linode-moon datacenter will not be habitable for smokers
23:03<Katana>better quit
23:04<@Praefectus>quitters never win
23:04<rnowak>q for quitters
23:07<Katana>quitters win in the long run
23:07<Katana>those still playing always lose
23:07<Katana>[the game]
23:07<rnowak>you lost it long ago
23:07<Katana>i once conditioned someone to react at the sound of a zipper.
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23:08<Katana>Then, abused the hell out of my backpack zipper.
23:08<Katana>i should do this to smokers
23:08<Daevien>"backpack" zipper. SUUUURE
23:09<rnowak>this espresso so good, y'all be sojelly
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23:14<@Praefectus>rnowak: i love my espresso pot
23:14<Katana>rnowak: i not jelly.
23:14<Katana>i can't drink coffee, it makes me gag every time.
23:14<staticsafe>tea > *
23:15<Katana>I should drink more tea
23:16<auraka>you should drink a cup of shut the hell up
23:16<rnowak>Praefectus: I use a La Marzocco GS/3
23:16<@Praefectus>mine doesnt even have a name, they came over from italy with my grandparents
23:17<@Praefectus>the old 2piece percolators like these-
23:17<rnowak> this cutie
23:18<rnowak>I have a few moka pots too, they make decent espresso, but... mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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23:18<rnowak>I... may have a thing for coffee (:
23:18<auraka>and hobbits
23:19<Daevien>auraka: is rnowak hitting on you again?
23:19<Katana>rnowak: never guessed
23:19<auraka>Daevien: when is he not
23:20<rnowak>do I sense jealousy from Daevien?
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23:31<Daevien>story from this year but issue seems to point to somethign discovered last year
23:34*avenj black french roast purist, rnowak can keep the espresso
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23:34<rnowak>avenj: pff
23:35<avenj>though I've been cutting back on the caffeine intake in general. ... turns out I'm cranky enough without it
23:35<Kyhwana>avenj: well, might as well take it anyway ;)
23:35<rnowak>are you sure the crankyness does not go up without it?
23:36<avenj>rnowak: results are inconclusive thus far
23:36<rnowak>but coffee is delicious, not drinking coffee is not delicious, so drinking coffee clearly wins
23:36<troy>i've got a postfix mailserver running on my linode and have a couple of rbl filters in the configuration however still quite a bit of spam as getting through to users mailboxes, what are people using these days? Spamassasin or is there something better?
23:37<internat>i use SA
23:37<rnowak>spamassassin, rbl, grey listing on questionable score, verify SPF/DKIM
23:37<internat>seems to work well
23:38<internat>never set up spf/dkim though
23:38<troy>thanks internat, rnowak, i'll take a closer look at SA I havent played around with it for years
23:39<internat>the ispmail tutorial is pretty good
23:40<purrdeta>amavisd-new is so sexy
23:40<troy>internat: cheers, that should help :)
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23:40<Kyhwana> < wat
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23:41<rnowak>how fucking retarded isn't that
23:41<internat>the fuck are these people doing?
23:42<auraka>good luck with that
23:42<internat>they really are trying to destabalise/decentralize the internet arent they
23:42<@heckman>It's because they have no idea what they are doing.
23:43<Katana>i'd like to see the consent of the governed provided to the UN
23:43<auraka>pencil pushers making decisions
23:43<Katana>until then, said taxes should be ignored as null and void
23:43<staticsafe>Jun 10 23:30:15 bender sshd[13699]: Nasty PTR record "" is set up for, ignoring - lols
23:44<Kyhwana>yep.. and google/etc could just say "fuck this" and disallow access to their stuff from those countries and there'd be hell to pay
23:46<ajmitch>Kyhwana: yet more reasons that netflix would use for not setting up in NZ :)
23:47<auraka>which is what they need to do....facebook/google/etc....if they all came together and blocked those countries it would get reversed with the quickness
23:48<swaj>they would
23:48<swaj>it won't fly
23:48<swaj>the UN is mostly a pointless organization anyway
23:51<Katana>the purpose of the UN is to act as a visible conduit for corruption, appearing to have power while having none, thus allowing major governments able to continue, mostly
23:56<Katana>Similar in theory to that of the Galactic President in the Hitchhiker's Guide. :)
23:56<Katana>Visible power draws the nasties.
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