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00:00<deelipk>i'll start fresh with the new copy of os later
00:00<Kyhwana>no. just delete .ssh/ida_rsa* (or move them somewhere) locally and then delete .ssh/authorised_keys on your linode and start again
00:01<@akerl>deelipk: Why do you have an on your Linode?
00:01<Kyhwana>akerl: he did some random things
00:02<@akerl>Kyhwana: That's lovely. deelipk: Did you run ssh-keygen on your Linode via SSH, or on a terminal locally?
00:04*EugeneKay gives akerl a cookie
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00:04<@akerl>I accept, kind sir :)
00:04<deelipk>Kyhwana: Indeed, I did random thing hehe, basically I'm new to both Linux and the whole VPS thing
00:04<linbot>Thanks, Kyhwana! Om nom nom
00:05<deelipk>akerl: i ran ssh-keygen on linode
00:05<Kyhwana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
00:05<Kyhwana>"Generate the SSH keys on a desktop computer running Linux or Mac OS X by entering the following command in a terminal window on your desktop computer. "
00:05<EugeneKay>Is that table-flip? I think I need to set up unicode on this machine still.
00:06<Kyhwana>EugeneKay: yup
00:06<@akerl>:P Yea, you can probably go ahead and remove ~/.ssh/id_rsa and ~/.ssh/ from the Linode
00:06<@akerl>And run the ssh-keygen locally
00:06<EugeneKay>Damned windows
00:06<deelipk>Kyhwana: OH
00:06<@akerl>You can then copy the pubkey up to your authorized_keys on the Linode
00:06<Kyhwana>where's that continually table fkipping one?
00:07<deelipk>so, to create pubkey locally, i need to log out of linode, right?
00:07<@akerl>I'd just use another terminal tab/window
00:07<@akerl>One that isn't logged into the Linoe
00:07<@akerl>also Linode
00:07<deelipk>ok, got it
00:08<linbot>New news from forum: Open Source PHP Helpdesk Script for Helpdesk App Development in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
00:09<Katana>Kill it with fire
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00:11<EugeneKay>Kyhwana - can you pm me the flip?
00:15<deelipk>Kyhwana: do i have to login to ssh to send file from local to linode?
00:15<Katana>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
00:15<retro|blah>(╯°□°)╯彡 ┻━┻
00:15<Katana>EugeneKay: i do tableflips as a public service
00:16<EugeneKay>I was checking that XChat is sane
00:16<Kyhwana>deelipk: what do you think?
00:16<Kyhwana>(Here's a hint, scp uses ssh to copy files)
00:16<deelipk>i need to login then
00:17<Kyhwana>scp ~/.ssh/ example_user@123.456.78.90:
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00:17<Kyhwana>That will ask you for a login, for "example_user", yes
00:18<staticsafe> dying of laughter reading these
00:21<deelipk>says root/.ssh/ No such file or directory
00:22<retro|blah>deelipk: With no / before "root"?
00:24<linbot>New news from forum: Thoughts on other, cheaper providers in General Discussion <>
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00:25<Peng>I just got here. Is ssh-copy-id relevant to this conversation?
00:25<@akerl>The issue is likely that .ssh doesn't exist
00:25<Peng>Or that $home/root doesn't exist.
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00:34<Kyhwana>deelipk: why are you still trying to ssh in as root?
00:35<deelipk>i'm not, i'm just trying above command
00:35<deelipk>root/.ssh/ No such file or directory
00:35<deelipk>root/.ssh/ No such file or directory
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00:35<deelipk>sorry root/.ssh/ No such file or directory
00:35<retro|blah>What command?
00:36<deelipk>scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa
00:36<deelipk>scp ~/.ssh/ example_user@123.456.78.90:
00:36<retro|blah>Type 'whoami'
00:37<Kyhwana>obviously you replace "example_user" with the actual user you wish to ssh into your linode using public keys as and the IP with your linodes IP/domain name
00:37<deelipk>sure, I did that
00:38<retro|blah>deelipk: Did you su to root or something?
00:38<Kyhwana>deelipk: are you doing this locally as in on your mac, that you are sitting infront of typing on, right now?
00:38<deelipk>Kyhwana: yes
00:39<Kyhwana>are you sure? You ran ssh-keygen and then attempted to copy to your linode, locally, as the same user that you logged into your mac as?
00:40*Kyhwana readies /table
00:40<deelipk><Kyhwana> yes
00:40<linbot>New news from forum: What's everyone using for DNSBL's these days? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
00:40<retro|blah>deelipk: What does your command prompt look like?
00:41<Kyhwana>and where did you save id_rsa to? the full path
00:41<Kyhwana>you scp that file (with a .pub on the end) (the entire path) to your linode
00:41<deelipk>basantathapa is me
00:42<retro|blah>If it doesn't begin with / it's not a full path
00:42<Kyhwana>Or just use ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/ user@yourlinode
00:42<Kyhwana>which is probably easier
00:42<Kyhwana>as peng said
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00:49<deelipk>Voila :)
00:50<Kyhwana>Thank eris
00:50<deelipk>Thank you guys very much!
00:51<Kyhwana>Just make sure it works before you disable password auth
00:52<deelipk>Ok, I need some suggestion, what do I need to start reading to be "ok' on ssh/vps stuff
00:52<deelipk>Kyhwana: it works
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00:56<Kyhwana>deelipk: you could start with some of the other guides, what are you planning on using your linode for?
00:58<deelipk>I'm going to upload a website that needs perl modules
00:59<Morrad>Hello all. I'm using the stock Arch Linux kernel via pv-grub, and after my most recent update, rebooting gives me the following error: . I've tried downgrading to my previous kernel, but it doesn't help. Any ideas?
01:00<Morrad>Also: had this running for a couple months, and updated several times previously, so I know that I once had an originally good setup
01:00<@akerl>Remove the initrd line from your grub config and reboot?
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01:02<linbot>New news from forum: My forums just gone off line in General Discussion <>
01:03<Morrad>akerl: running into a kernel panic when leaving off the initrd
01:03<@akerl>What's the kpanic?
01:03<Kyhwana>hmm, that's not a new post
01:03<Morrad>akerl: [3218958.619693] Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
01:04<@akerl>What crazy fsmagic are you running?
01:05<Morrad>Don't think I'm doing anything crazy. I set up following this guide, and have been happily using it for a couple months.
01:06<retro|blah>How are your disks assigned in the configuration profile you're booting from?
01:06<@akerl>Are your disks ext3?
01:06<Morrad>/dev/xvda is /, and yes they are ext3
01:06<Morrad>no other partitions other than swap
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01:09<Morrad>trying interactively from the grub menu, i'm able to set root and tab-completions shows that the files I expect are there
01:10<retro|blah>Have you checked to see if you can still boot from Linode's kernel?
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01:11<Morrad>I did give that a shot: first by switching fstab back to it's original, and then switching the kernel via the configuration manager. I got another kernel panic that way
01:12<Katana>what kernel version
01:12<Morrad>I tried that earlier today with the Latest 3.0.X, whatever it was (I think 3.0.32)
01:13<Katana>anything newer than that doesn't fare well on most nodes :\
01:13<Morrad>I'll give that a shot and report back
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01:16<auraka>geezus this is ugly code
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01:16<retro|blah> is a little hard to interpret but seems to imply you would need to add some stuff to /etc/mkinitcpio.conf and then rebuild your initramfs
01:17<retro|blah>Though I'm guessing you'll need to chroot from finnix to do this
01:17<Morrad>the portion in mkinitcpio i already have done
01:18<Morrad>it was part of the initial setup that I had
01:19<Morrad>heckman, Katana: I see two 3.0.18-* kernels available (-linode43 and -x86-linode24). Which do I use?
01:19<retro|blah>Is your system a 32-bit or a 64-bit system?
01:19<retro|blah>If you read more carefully, I believe there's one that says x86_64. Use that one
01:19<Morrad>gonna guess the -linode43
01:20<Morrad>indeed, you're right
01:20<linbot>retro|blah: Latest 3.0 (3.0.18-linode43) <> || Latest 3.0 (3.0.18-x86_64-linode24) <> || 3.0.18-linode43 <> || 3.0.18-x86_64-linode24 <> || 3.1.10-linode42 <> || (1 more message)
01:21<Kyhwana>Right, beer o clock
01:21<Morrad>good news: I've gotten to the fsck
01:22<Morrad>progress :)
01:22<@heckman>Latest 3.4 (3.4.2-linode44)
01:23<Morrad>I'm guessing the kernel panic I saw earlier was due to attempting to boot into a 32 bit kernel then...
01:24<Morrad>heckman: I think you misunderstood, the 3.0.18-x86_64-linode24 did successfully boot
01:25<@heckman>That's considered deprecated by the 3.4 line as of now.
01:26<@heckman>I was referencing linbot being wrong
01:27<Morrad>question: if I select lastest 3.4, will this keep me on some 'latest' track, or will I manually need to go back to the Linode config and change the kernel manually?
01:27<Morrad>on kernel updates, that is
01:28<@akerl>Morrad: I'm really confused... I thought you were using pvgrub?
01:29<Morrad>i was. I would like to do so, but I'm not sure how to diagnose the error I was having
01:29<linbot>New news from forum: Simplifying my Apache site configuration in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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01:30<Morrad>closest scenario I can find matching my own is on the Arch forums, where the guy seems to indicate it was a problem with the Xen host.
01:32<Morrad>I'm hesitant to contact the Linode tech support guys and ask them what configuration changes they made to the host machine in the past couple weeks :\
01:32<@akerl>Those Linode tech support guys are pretty crazy folks
01:32<@akerl>I'd suspect the real issue is internal with changes to your kernel config, and I'd also reiterate that you don't want an initrd in your config
01:33<rnowak>man, imagine if you write to linode, and you get this crazy ass bitch akerl handling your ticket
01:33<@akerl>I hear he uses some hipster distro that doesn't even have basic security implemented
01:35<Morrad>akerl: I'm sure you know how your systems should be configured, but I've been using the initrd line for about 2 months now. Looking at the kernel's .config, it doesn't look like any of the kernel flags have changed, but how they are applied may of course be
01:36<@akerl>Out of curiousity, did you pick pvgrub or pvgrub 64 when you tried without the initrd line?
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01:37<Morrad>hmm. Pretty sure it was pvgrub64, but I can't say for certain. I can always try it again to be sure :)
01:37<@akerl>I'd do so, and lurk lish to catch whatever happens
01:38<Morrad>I'll report back in maybe 1/2 hour with results: I need to go feed my kids
01:38<rnowak>you should get one of these autofeeders that they have for cats and dogs
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02:08<Morrad>akerl: unfortunately, it would appear that I was correct before. Using pvgrub64, and leaving off the initrd line causes a kernel panic.
02:12<rnowak>I found your error -- you're using arch
02:12*rnowak runs
02:13*Morrad uses arch: surely he knows what he's doing!
02:13<rnowak>are you sure your disk image is set to xvda in the linode manager?
02:13<Morrad>and xvdb is set to swap...
02:13<Morrad>but i see an initrd option. should this be set to something?
02:14<Morrad>nm, only finnix is an option
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02:27<Diglyd>Hi I'm looking to possibly become a linode customer. I currently have some cheap static hosting on bluehost but currently I am not running a website. In the next month I would like to put up a blog. My goal is to find a place where it will be scalable with traffic and will also allow me easily grow in the future. I do not want to have to change hosts or deal with allot of BS.
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02:28<EugeneKay>Linode is low on the BS-o-meter
02:28<EugeneKay>And high on the scale-o-meter
02:30<Diglyd>My goal is to set up 2 sites. 1 site for my corporate page and a personal blog. The personal blog I would like to have either wordpress with Nginx, expression web or Joomla. I don't know which yet. I am technical but not a web designer/developer. I have limited HTML, Joomla nad Wordpress experience. I would ideally like to use fantastico as a script installer for these CMSs and a Rockettheme tepllate htat I have for either joomla or Wordp
02:30<Diglyd>Will this work on linode?
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02:31<EugeneKay>You can do anything you like on Linode, LAMP/LEMP stacks included. If your linux experience is limited you may want to find a sysadmin to set up & manage things for you.
02:31<Diglyd>I meant to say template
02:32<Diglyd>I was reading up on the linux tutorials and web server info on the linode site. I haveu sed Redhat and ubuntu but I was years ago so I forgot allot of this stuff as the last few years have been exlusively on the Wintel side of things with SQL Server.
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02:32<dwfreed>by the way, you got cut off in your description, because IRC has line length limits
02:33<dwfreed>the last we saw was "Rockettheme tepllate htat I have for either joomla or Wordp"
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02:33<Diglyd>I want to be able to set up the environment or get someone to do it for me and then eventually hire someone to manage the sites for me as I focus on business dev.
02:34<Diglyd>dwfreed thanks. Um I have a rockettheme worpress and Joomla template and wanted to use/and or custimize those and basically install them.
02:35<EugeneKay>I (and others) am available at standard consulting rates :-p
02:35<rnowak>EugeneKay's rate is 2.5 usd/h
02:35<dwfreed>EugeneKay: define "standard"
02:35<EugeneKay>There's usually lots of free help in here, but ultimately Linode is only responsible for the base platform.
02:35<rnowak>(or should be)
02:35<Morrad>akrel: the boot problem I've been happening also appears to be independent of kernel version. I've tried 3 arch kernels
02:36<EugeneKay>dwfreed - $150/hour; 15 minute minimum. First consult is free.
02:36<Diglyd>2.5 usd as it 2.5 dollars per hour or is that some sort of code?
02:36<Morrad>while I would like to use pvgrub, I may be forced to stick with the Linode kernels until I can figure this out
02:36<EugeneKay>It's a joke :-p
02:36<EugeneKay>Morrad - what's wrong with the Linode kernels?
02:37<Morrad>EugeneKay: Nothing, I've been having trouble with my pvgrub setup not working suddenly after a few montsh of successfully working
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02:37<EugeneKay>I blame mikegrb.
02:38<EugeneKay>His name sounds like grub
02:38<Morrad>makes sense
02:39<Diglyd>I can probably set up everything myself and get some learning experience thats probably not a problem but I don't want to spend the next 3 weeks or more putting this stuff up and going through tutorials.
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02:40<Diglyd>Ideally I want to get started on working on the content...articles, info I was looking for a solution where I can basically spin up a server or slice, run a scruipt to deploy wpress or joomla and inject a theme into it and go.
02:40<Diglyd>and maybe work with someone to pretty up the site
02:41<EugeneKay>There are some StackScripts that do LAMP/LEMP stacks, but I've not used or looked at them myself
02:41<Diglyd>how much would it cost to have someone help me with this type of project?
02:42<Diglyd>and is linode the best option for this? or should I just stick with my static bluehost hosting where I can do this type of thing now?
02:43<EugeneKay>Depends upon who you git. I would estimate my time at getting a new LAMP stack up and cooking at 2 hours, tops.
02:43<Diglyd>I'm trying to look a this long term so I don't have to switch hosts in the future and deal with allot of BS. I also would like to have my email managed via google apps and I saw that this is possible.
02:43<EugeneKay>Gah, #git has done terrible things to my spelling.
02:44<EugeneKay>Linode is an excellent VPS provider. Everything beyond that is really up to you. In your position, I would stick with Bluehost for now, pick up a Linode and fiddle, learn, and then switch over to it when you're comfy with it.
02:44<EugeneKay>Set a weekend or two aside, you should be fine.
02:45<Diglyd>that makes sense. however my whole goal was not to have to switch later. I do not want to invest time to set up a blog and my corporate site on bluehost only to have to migrate all the content and stuff later and deal with more headaches.
02:46<EugeneKay>I'd be very wary of doing anything "corporate" on a shared host.
02:46<Diglyd>basically whherever I go that is where I want to stay.
02:46<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:46<@akerl>I hear 4 out of 5 cake-lovers choose Linode
02:46<rnowak>"corporate" (:
02:46<Diglyd>by corporate I mean just a static info page describing my IT business. Not any type of corporate site that has massive traffic or actually does e-com or something.
02:47<@akerl>I'd be wary of doing anything on a shared host
02:47<Diglyd>hence why I am here
02:47<@akerl>On Linode, you're the one in control. Which is a good thing, unless it's a bad thing :P
02:47<EugeneKay>You may be well served by They're low-BS, pretty cheap, and not nearly as GoDaddyish as, say, Godaddy.
02:48<EugeneKay>If you need to move to bigger it's pretty easy to get a dump of your MySQL DBs, a tarball of your data, and pop it up on a Linode.
02:48<rnowak>my condolences if you use mysql
02:52<Diglyd>can someone tell me what it would take in either man hours if I were to do this myself ballpark....or $$$ if I had someone else do this for me to set up: 1 linode+WP with NginX+Template+site graphics and 1 linode slice+Joomla+rocketheme Template?
02:52<@akerl>(there isn't really a way we can estimate your time usage to do this)
02:53<Diglyd>yeah but yo ucan say roughly if yo uare new to linux oit wil ltake yo ua week or a weekend. Someone said weekend or 2 right?
02:53<rnowak>you'd also need to be way more specific of what you need doing before anyone even half-serious would consider it
02:53<Diglyd>specific in which way?
02:54<@akerl>Diglyd: Anyone who is willing to give you an estimate on how long it will take you is at best guessing and at worst lying
02:54<@akerl>I'd recommend either getting a Linode to try out, or using virtualbox locally to deploy a server
02:54<@akerl>Learn by doing, and all that :)
02:55<rnowak>worth noting, there's probably a reason why whoever you'd hire is doing these small gigs instead of something... better.
02:56<@akerl>Probably because once the wordpress install is hacked, they have to find another gig
02:57<Diglyd>I'm just trying to figure out if I could possibly outsource my project but I have to see if its even feaseable. What do I have to provide in order to get an estimate? and where do I get one? I am not going ot hit up craigslist as I don't want someone to just give me a static worpres site. I can do that myself as you said.
02:58<Diglyd>idealy I do not want to spend the time setting this stuff up and messing with the configuaration. I can do that as I am very technial but I just do not want to nor do I have the time. So I am looking for an automatic solution.
02:58<Diglyd>or osmeone to help me do this.
02:58<@akerl>Diglyd: Is your intention to keep this person on permanent payroll in a sysadmin capacity?
02:58<Diglyd>hence why I wanted something that I can spin up quickly and have an ability to inject the framework and use a template
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03:00<Diglyd>eventually yes as I want to offload all support and maitenance but not at the outset as I have no idea if what I ma trying to do will generate enough to pay for this function. Then again it depends on what system administration would cost. I just don't know.
03:02<Diglyd>I thought linode might be a good option because as you said yo uhave total control which in the future would allow me to hire someone to support it.
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03:04<Diglyd>I used to run an onine store for a few years on Volution which was an ASP based platform so my experience is more on that side. I wanted to now try blogging and do something that does not require me to keep inventory and any of that headache
03:05<rnowak>unfortunately for you, competent people cost, and it can be impossible for you to determine if they are competent or not (:
03:05<Diglyd>yes that is true
03:06<Diglyd>so I guess what yo uare saying is that yes Linode is a good start and I should just set it up all myself correct?
03:07<rnowak>linode's great, but it all comes down to if you have the time and willpower to learn the required to handle it yourself
03:07<Diglyd>if I have no choice then yes. Idealy I would rahter work with someone but if no then I can hit the tutorials.
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03:09<Diglyd>also on linode for a blog site would you recommend Worpress, Joomla or Expression Studio? Does anyone have any experience or recommendation which would be the easiest/best to work with and scale with?
03:09<Diglyd>Oops sorry I meant expression engine
03:09<@akerl>Is expressionengine php?
03:09<rnowak>I would not recommend any of those, and anyone that does is deranged, misinformed, and quite possibly a moran (yes, with an a).
03:10<Diglyd>ok rnowak so what would you recommend?
03:10<rnowak>blogs are hilarious, but if you must octopress is what the cool kids use these days
03:11<GLaDOSDan>Is it 8x worse than Wordpress
03:11*akerl doubts this
03:11<rnowak>I am not sure of many things that are worse than wordpress by a factor of 8
03:11<Diglyd>I did look at octopress but that adds another layer of complexity and learning for me
03:11<Diglyd>yes expresion engine is php
03:11<rnowak>it also adds a layer of not having to use fucking wordpress
03:12<rnowak>that project is a sad view, and an insult to software
03:14<Diglyd>I'm not looking for some elite opinion. Millions of people use wordpress so it can't be that terrible. I have a small business that needs to have a basic corporate informational site set up and both a corporate blog and
03:14<linbot>New news from forum: Can't get second domain to work. in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || Is codeigniter working `out of the box` in linode VPS hostin in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
03:15<@akerl>Diglyd: Millions of people use windows and don't recycle
03:15<Peng>Diglyd: Millions of people smoke, too.
03:15<Diglyd>I want a perosnal blog for myself as a hobby. I wanted to get something setup up that if any of these things become successful or grow I can scale them
03:15<rnowak>"it can't be that terrible" <-- ha ha hahahahahahaha
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03:15<rnowak>you've got no idea what you're getting into saying that
03:15<Diglyd>yeha I guess not this is why I am asking questions
03:15<rnowak>why don't you hire some local developer that could make you a nice profile website?
03:16<Diglyd>what isa profile website?
03:16<rnowak>what you want, it is by no means "corporate"
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03:16<rnowak>a site where you present your small business
03:16<@akerl>where's an ENTERPRISE evangelist when we need one?
03:16*rnowak summons amitz
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03:18<Diglyd>because most of the local people I know set up crappy static wordpress sites and resell hosting and that stuff looks like something from 1999. I can set up a basic site myself like that but I just do not like doing it.
03:18<rnowak>what's a static wordpress site, just to clear that out?
03:18<pharaun>static wordpress? pardon
03:18<pharaun>such beast exists?
03:18<Diglyd>I mean just a basic template site
03:19<Diglyd>ok can you tell me what makes octopress so great and why I should be using it?
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03:20<rnowak>I can tell you why you shouldn't use wordpress instead
03:20<Diglyd>ok that will do
03:20<Diglyd>go on
03:20<@akerl>GLaDOSDan: I'm still curious why octopress is worse than wordpress
03:21<EugeneKay>Because Ruby
03:22<@akerl>The value of your insight has overwhelmed me :|
03:22<rnowak>1. they give no fuck about security. 2. their default security model (or lack of) is to set permissions to 777. 3. they want you to let the software update itself. 4. it has more holes than a swiss cheese. 5. it is bloated as hell. 6. the security issues it keeps getting time after time after time are ridiculous. 7. it is wordpress.
03:22<rnowak>1. should be enough to convince you
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03:23<rnowak>then there's 8. it is php, which is a side effect. and that 8 could be expanded into a lot of different points too.
03:23<pharaun>rnowak: may i quote eevee's article on php? :)
03:23<rnowak>please do
03:23<pharaun>uno momento
03:24<GLaDOSDan>akerl: Because it has "press" in it
03:24<pharaun>Diglyd: ^
03:24<GLaDOSDan>why isn't that a command
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03:26<rnowak>any software that operates on the premise that it should not be secured, and provides new, and amateur, users with information on how to completely open up their system, is not worthy of using
03:26<rnowak>(did I mention it is a disgrace yet?)
03:27<nmschulte>Hi all! I've been recently referred to Linode by an IRC user, and I'm looking at trying it out. I've read through the privacy policy, but it doesn't state anything (or much, depending upon how you interpret it) regarding the data you process and store on your Linode. Does anyone have any insight into this?
03:27<rnowak>nmschulte: what do you mean?
03:27<Diglyd>I did read that wordpess is not secure. I keep seeing it posted quite allot.
03:29<Diglyd>so the various blogs that populate the interwebs lets say gaming blogs or tech blogs like techcrunch when they started what did they run on or start on? If it wasn't wordpress what did they use? What did they use when they grew?
03:29<nmschulte>Anything really. Information like how the disks are handled once they reach EOL. Does Linode, LLC's policy allow them to snoop my data at any time? From the policy I've read, I would say the latter is not out of question.
03:29<Diglyd>I guess I am trying to figure out what the growth path is? What framework can I use that wil lallow me to grow wit hthe least headaches along the way
03:29<rnowak>Diglyd: you'll want something developed in-house for least headaches along the way.
03:31<nmschulte>Should something go awry with my account from a legal manner, even if I'm using encryption and the like, it appears as though Linode has a backdoor available at all times. In fact, I just read about an issue affecting bitcoin users from sometime back. That's a valid concern; but I couldn't find much regarding their policy on it's use.
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03:31<@akerl>nmschulte: Any customer data that is deleted or otherwise due for expiration (disk EOL, etc), we securely scrub your data. And we don't inspect or otherwise access your filesystem, but any hosting provider who tells you they can't do so is lying to you.
03:32<Diglyd>I used to work as a .net dev manager and from my experience with custom frameworks or in house framworks and custom enterprise websites and ecom sites I prefer to stick with standard platforms instead of custom solutions.
03:32<rnowak>nmschulte: if you encrypt your disks, and make sure to have a secure root password (for access via serial console), they would have no direct access to it
03:33<Diglyd>I worked at places where they customized they stuf fso much it was impossible to update, mnigrate or grow
03:33<rnowak>nmschulte: so if someone at that point still wants your data, they'd have to try a bit harder
03:33<Diglyd>their stuff I mean
03:33<Diglyd>without incuring significant costs
03:33<rnowak>Diglyd: then their development team(s) sucked.
03:34<nmschulte>rnowak: Lish is essentially a backdoor, is it not? I read that a fellow changed his root password using Lish. Perhaps he was using public key auth, but I would suspect the hacker was smart enough to trash authorized_keys as well; which goes back to Lish being a backdoor. Perhaps akerl can confirm?
03:34<rnowak>nmschulte: to change the root password the linode has to be rebooted -- if you have encrypted the disks, passphrase entry will be required upon reboot
03:34<@akerl>nmschulte: To log in via LISH, you need to auth for LISH, *then* log in to the Linode with a system user and password
03:34<Diglyd>no they didn't suck. It was management that forced unrealistic deadlines forcing developers to hard code or consultants comming in and saying "sure we can build this module for you" regardless whether the system was even designed for them
03:35<Diglyd>or whether the functionality existed already somewhere else
03:35<rnowak>Diglyd: ok - so the company sucked. There you have it.
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03:35<nmschulte>rnowak: You need to reboot to change root password?
03:35<@akerl>Also, you now get emails for any jobs by default, so if someone starts mucking with your Linode Manager, you get notices
03:35<@akerl>nmschulte: Or be logged in.
03:35<rnowak>nmschulte: from outside of the system sure
03:36<@akerl>nmschulte: If someone has logged in with your lish key/pass and your system user/pass, then it's no longer a "backdoor"... it's normal access
03:36<Diglyd>ok but for the open systems that are out there and available: if I use linode what is the best choice for a blog that can scale as it grows or a social site?
03:36<rnowak>now it has to be a social site too?
03:37<vodka>web-scale, no doubt
03:37<rnowak>whatever that entails -- but simply put, you're taking water over your head since you're simplifying things way too much.
03:37<rnowak>start small, if your business booms, I am sure you'll have cash to transfer things over to whatever big you want it to be
03:38<nmschulte>akerl: -- this fellow says someone gained unauthorized access to a customer service... service; changed his root password without having to know a system password. It appears that requires a restart, which encryption takes care of. Am I misinterpreting that paragraph, or can you change root password from Lish (or other CS interface), without a system
03:38<Diglyd>ok lets just say "personal blog" with maybe a "forum" eventually
03:38<rnowak>octopress if you want to be secure and still have a very nice blogging platform, wordpress if you want to be part of the brainless zombie drones that do not consider security important
03:38<nmschulte>vodka: /dev/null is web-scale, :)
03:38<Diglyd>yes I would like to be secure. The more I can do now to prevent headaches later the better.
03:39<@akerl>nmschulte: Since then, we've done numerous things to lock things down. The primary of which being resolving the customer service service issue, as well as better brute-force/access protections on the Linode Manager, emails to you when jobs are run on your Linode, etc.
03:39<vodka>nmschulte, as a storage solution, yes :)
03:40<nmschulte>akerl: Okay, gotcha. So my statement that Lish is a backdoor is false. Is it still true that the customer service interface is a backdoor; however the policies may or may not have changed?
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03:41<nmschulte>I believe they have changed, sorry for the poor wording.
03:41<rnowak>backdoor to what, though?
03:41<Diglyd>to use octopress do I have to learn ruby?
03:41<rnowak>Diglyd: no
03:41<nmschulte>rnowak: backdoor to change the root password, apparently
03:42<nmschulte>rnowak: I realize an encrypted disk resolves that; I'm just very satisfied with the customer support I've seen so far, and I figure I'll keep it on a roll!
03:42<rnowak>I hate to talk about this bitcoin incident again, but in the end, yes linode did apparently have some issue with their staff site, but it was the dumbasses' own fault for being retarded and keeping their wallets just like that on their linodes
03:42<Diglyd>rnowak: Thnak you for your help. I really appreciate it. So linode + octopress it is.
03:42<Diglyd>Thnak you I mean...I can't se to type its getting late
03:43<rnowak>nmschulte: no system is infinitely secure, and this attests to it, but they've done pretty good so far, and imho, I doubt you'll find a better VPS provider anywhere.
03:43<nmschulte>rnowak: I'm not concerned about the bitcoin issue; I agree with you about bringing it up. I'm only referencing it because it implies this ability I'm wondering about.
03:44<rnowak>you can only audit your processes so much, and no matter how hard you try, there's always, always (!), a chance for a mistake somewhere that can lead to catastrophic consequences
03:45<nmschulte>It doesn't appear as though akerl wishes to answer, or is busy. No worries.
03:45<rnowak>so even though this incident could've been far worse than it ended up being, it does not mean they do not care for security or anything such.
03:45<rnowak>he is a staff member -- he probably can't
03:46<nmschulte>rnowak: I'm with you, like I said. I was just impressed that akerl answered as much as he did; awesome. I'm already sold. I am just curious is all.
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03:47<nmschulte>That particular of the CS interface can be handled with disk encryption; problem solved.
03:47<rnowak>I am sure that has been fixed already, whatever it was.
03:47<Peng>nmschulte: I'm not sure I'd use the term "backdoor", but the manager does have the ability to fiddle with your disks, to: 1.) Create them, 2.) Delete them, 3.) Resize them, 4.) Take on-demand backup snapshots, 5.) Change your root password.
03:48<Peng>nmschulte: 6.) Copy them
03:48<rnowak>If you encrypt them, the linode manager, or any of their systems, won't be able to mount them for any purpose, so yeah. (:
03:48<nmschulte>Not that I'm worried, I'm not storing anything nearly as valuable as bitcoins. I just noticed there wasn't much mentioned in the privacy policy, so I figured I'd give IRC a stab. great success
03:48<rnowak>"valuable", "bitcoins", you made a funny
03:48<nmschulte>rnowak: ah, good point
03:48<nmschulte>the statement still stands, unfortunately, :(
03:49<rnowak>worth noting, if you encrypt the disks, you won't be able to use the linode backup service, as it is filebased
03:49<nmschulte>rnowak: I noticed that
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03:49<Peng>You'll also have trouble resizing disk images.
03:49<Peng>Since for ordinary ext3 images, the manager's resizer resizes your fs as well as the image.
03:49<nmschulte>I thought about this: can I have a partition that is backupable, and one that isn't (my encrypted one); archive my data for backup w/ encryption and place it on the backupable one?
03:50<rnowak>yes, you can
03:50<rnowak>... I think.
03:50<nmschulte>the FAQ made it sound as though touching the partition table at all rendered the whole VPS backup-non-friendly
03:50<@akerl>Yes, but you'd need to poke us to exclude the encrypted one from backups
03:50<nmschulte>akerl: awesome
03:50<@akerl>Or wait until we ticket you asking why you're paying for backups that are failing :P
03:50<nmschulte>akerl: does ext2/ext3 include ext4?
03:51<Peng>nmschulte: No.
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03:51<nmschulte>Awesome. You guys rock. I can't believe I haven't heard of Linode before tonight.
03:53<nmschulte>One more: I see a list of available distributions, with Debian Squeeze (6) on that list. Is there any ability to install a distro not on that list? If not, is full-upgrading Debian stable to testing / unstable / experimental an issue?
03:54<chesty>!library custom
03:54<linbot>chesty: 1. Running a Custom Linux Distro on a Linode VPS - | 2. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 3. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB -
03:54<@akerl>You can push a local installation up onto a Linode disk image using Finnix, but you'd probably be better off deploying Debian stable and then updating that
03:54<rnowak>though you'd probably want to use stable ;)
03:55<@akerl>In reality, all the cool kids deploy Arch
03:55<rnowak>he means people that do not like their data
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03:55<chesty>all the inexperienced people use arch
03:55<@akerl>I prefer to keep my data in line using fear
03:56<rnowak>I like my digital signatures
03:56<rnowak>does arch remove the crypto parts from openssl? (:
03:56<nmschulte>I find debian unstable is pretty stable for my needs
03:56<@akerl>Like debian, you mean? (:
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03:57<rnowak>no, we just always randomize 4
03:57<@akerl>More stable that way
03:57<chesty>debian used a fair dice roll for their random number, can't get any more random than that
03:58<@akerl> <-- I no longer have to hang my head in shame
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03:58<rnowak>is that the default setting for new installations, akerl?
03:58<chesty>only if you did a wipe and reinstall
03:58<rnowak>does it do it by default
03:59<chesty>bad timing for me
03:59<Peng>Debian's random numbers are especially stable. :)
03:59<nmschulte>akerl: where do you read that Debian removes crypto from OpenSSL?
03:59<rnowak>Peng: exactly
03:59<nmschulte>That was back in '06, was it not? And it's since been patched?
03:59<Peng>nmschulte: Nah, 2008 or 2009.
03:59<Peng>2008, I think.
04:00<rnowak>also, openssl might actually be going away in debian
04:00<Peng>rnowak: Wat.
04:00<rnowak>gnutls bro
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04:00<nmschulte>Peng: ah; issue dates back to '06, discovered/patched in '08
04:01<Peng>nmschulte: Ah.
04:01<rnowak>there's some momentum on that at least, which is silly
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04:02<nmschulte>rnowak: found something dating 2006 re gnutls / openssl: -- gnutls fix DFSG better
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04:02<rnowak>nah, this is pretty recent
04:03<rnowak>hawk: :)
04:03<@akerl>nmschulte: I was mostly just trolling :) gotta give some back to all the arch-haters
04:04<nmschulte>heh --
04:05<chesty>i don't hate arch, i ust hate their users
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04:06<hawk>nmschulte: that as well
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04:20<rnowak> this is actually not far from how dealing with patents feels
04:21<Diglyd>Thank you for all your help guys. Have a good night.
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06:22<huckpie>is there an admin here online?
06:22<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
06:22<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
06:26<huckpie>I actually want to have this site investigated
06:26<huckpie>since it was registered in your host
06:26<Kyh_>what about it?
06:26<huckpie>a rogue facebook app, that is
06:26<linbot>Linode's abuse contact is , as shown in the abuse contact info for the IP address in question. shows how to look this up yourself.
06:26<cornishpasty>huckpie: report it to Facebook as well
06:27<huckpie>will do
06:27<huckpie>you're an admin, right?
06:27<Kyh_>email with all the details
06:27<Peng>huckpie: "Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community."
06:28<HoopyCat>no linode employees have been active in this conversation, that much is certain
06:28<dwfreed>HoopyCat: are you certain you're certain? :D
06:29<HoopyCat>dwfreed: i've personally verified that neither SpaceHobo nor Peng work for linode, but i'm still waiting for my investigator to track down cornishpasty to be sure
06:30<cornishpasty>HoopyCat: lol, I'm not
06:30*cornishpasty checks... Nope, no @
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06:33<Peng>Why do SSH attackers try such bizarre usernames?
06:33<Peng>Ahhh, interesting thought.
06:34<Peng>That would also explain only trying a couple passwords per user.
06:34*akerl polishes his snailhat
06:34<HoopyCat>u:bozothepenis / p:p@ssw0rd
06:35<HoopyCat>gets you sudo-level privs on any Cheeseburro Embedded Lunix PLC
06:36<Peng>I can't decide whether HoopyCat is joking or not.
06:36<@akerl>There's a backdoor joke around here somewhere
06:36<HoopyCat>that's what's ab-so-fscking-lutely terrifying
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06:47<hawk>Depends on what you put in the box, I guess...
06:57<vodka>and what box it came out of
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07:17<HoopyCat>first, you cut a hole in your web server
07:17<linbot>New news from forum: What caused that network spike? in General Discussion <>
07:17<HoopyCat>then, you stick your content in that web server
07:18<Kyh_>ipv6 background traffic
07:19<@akerl>Was it you that said that last time?
07:19<Kyh_>yes :P
07:19<@akerl>Because it's still wrong :x
07:19<Kyh_>right, next time i'm going to be right
07:19<HoopyCat>Kyh_: you should see a doctor about that
07:19<@akerl>It's the same post as last time you were wrong :P Try reading the post next time?
07:19<@akerl>There isn't a prize for luck
07:20<HoopyCat>akerl: wanna bet?
07:20*Kyh_ pops some anti-biotics
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07:20<@akerl>I'll wager 3 cookies
07:20<deelipk>just setup a linode, and php is not running
07:21<deelipk>can anyone help?
07:21<@akerl>deelipk: Yes?
07:21<Kyh_>deelipk: did you setup php properly?
07:21<@akerl>deelipk: Did you install PHP?
07:21<deelipk>akerl: yes i installed it
07:21<Kyh_>if it's apache, you need to add a handler in the apache config
07:21<HoopyCat>speaking of luck, time to bicycle to work
07:21<@akerl>deelipk: mod_php?
07:21<MaZ->don't crash HoopyCat! <£
07:22<deelipk>akerl: what's that?
07:22<deelipk>i'm tying to move a wordpress blog on it and its giving me hell :)
07:22<@akerl>deelipk: What's the URL?
07:23<deelipk>i've downloaded wordpress using wget on it
07:23<@akerl>Um... That's a blank page :P
07:23<HoopyCat>if i get the cabling in my new data pannier right, should have live turn-by-turn coverage
07:23<deelipk>akerl: well, i've downloaded wordpress there
07:24<deelipk>akerl: it was supposed to take me to setup when i open the homepage
07:24<@akerl>deelipk: Have you restarted apache since setting up your virtualhost? (have you set up your virtualhost)
07:24<deelipk>akerl: see this one
07:24<deelipk>yeah, set up virtualhost, and restarted number of times
07:25<@akerl>Pastebin `apache2ctl -S` ?
07:26<@akerl>What's the exact command you ran?
07:26<Kyh_>not -s
07:27<@akerl>Pastebin `cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/` ?
07:30<@akerl>And pastebin `ls -la /home/deelip/public/`
07:32<@akerl>Did you copy an existing wordpress install, or is that a fresh download from
07:32<deelipk>fresh download
07:33<@akerl>Check your web server logs then?
07:34<@akerl> <-- works
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07:34<@akerl> <-- also works, and you probably want to move that ASAP
07:34<deelipk>yeah php_info works
07:35<@akerl> <-- looks like something fishy
07:35<@akerl>Did you already install WP or import your DB or something?
07:36<deelipk>i did import DB yeah
07:36<deelipk>but havent' install WP
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07:36<deelipk>i just downloaded the files
07:36<@akerl>Yea, that's probably borked it
07:37<deelipk>i am basically trying to move my blog from a shared hosting to this server
07:37<deelipk>so, someone told me I should first import the DB
07:37<deelipk>and then install wordpress
07:37<@akerl>Why not copy the files from the existing blog?
07:37<deelipk>isn't that the right way to do it?
07:37<@akerl>I don't run wordpress
07:38<deelipk>i don't know, maybe its faster to install whole new copy and edit wp-config file
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07:39<deelipk>so, any guess why phpinfo is working for no other php files are working
07:40<@akerl>because it's a wordpress issue
07:40<@akerl>likely that you dropped an existing db on a fresh install
07:40<@akerl>well, fresh tarball that wasn't installed
07:41<deelipk>so, what do you propose now?
07:43<@akerl>Not doing it that way? :)
07:43<@akerl>I'd copy the existing files to the new server, copy the existing db to the new server, and see what happens
07:44<MaZ->deelipk: all the wordpress install does is change values in wp-config.php
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07:44<MaZ->you'll need to edit wp-config.php so that it can connect to your existing database
07:45<joecool>if you keep the domain name the same for the new wordpress it'll be ok to copy
07:45<joecool>otherwise you need to manually edit the DB to point at the new domain name
07:45<marius> <doc-bot> Clorith: If you rename the WordPress directory on your server, switch ports or change the hostname applies.
07:45<marius>There yo ugo
07:45<marius>ignore the clorith: part, I jsut triggered the command
07:48<deelipk>i'm seeing a familiar error now when i deleted the imported databse
07:48<Yaakov>Hello, MarioKart.
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08:02<bonjurkes>wub wub wub
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08:14<bonjurkes>how can I make my linode talk
08:15<Peng>With drugs, you can *think* your Linode is talking.
08:15<Peng>Is that close enough?
08:15<bonjurkes>I dont need drugs to "think"
08:15<bonjurkes>like that
08:17<XReaper>you mean 'how can i stop the voices in my head' ?
08:19<bonjurkes>no xreaper
08:19<bonjurkes>how is my rdns doing
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08:19<Peng>I don't know? How should it be doing?
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08:19<bonjurkes>I asked to xreaper, peng not you
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08:21<ofb>ack! my linode was completely out of memory and frozen, I rebooted it and now networking isn't starting.
08:21<Peng>Then you shouldn't have put XReaper's nick on a different line. :P
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08:22<Peng>ofb: What does lish say?
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08:22<ofb>peng: lish gets me in fine. but ifconfig isn't showing any output
08:22<ofb>nd I can't ping anything
08:22<bonjurkes>peng sorry dude
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08:23<ofb>looks like /etc/network/interfaces still has all my static ip stuff
08:23<Peng>ofb: Any interesting errors on the lish console? Or in your logs?
08:23<Peng>ofb: Pastebin "ip a" and "ip r".
08:23<Peng>ofb: And "iptables-save" and "ip6tables-save".
08:25<@heckman>ofb: what does `ifup eth0` do?
08:26<ofb>heckman: yeah I just did ifconfig eth0 up
08:26<hawk>that's not the same
08:26<ofb>and now eth0 shows up but I still don't have dns... but bind failed on bootup
08:26<ofb>I don't have ifup so...
08:26<Peng>ofb: Now what does "ip a" say?
08:27<@heckman>ofb: there's your problem
08:27<hawk>ofb: What distro is this?
08:27<@heckman>Let me guess
08:27<@heckman>pastebin: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
08:27<ofb>ip a still shows everything down except the eth0 line
08:27<ofb>which now says up
08:27<@heckman>ofb: If ifup is missing, your networking won't come up
08:28<Peng>ofb: Does it show your IPs too?
08:28<hawk>Uhm... I'm pretty sure ifupdown or whatever the package is named is there in the default debian image?
08:28<@heckman>ifup is what is used to read your networking configuration file and bring them online at boot
08:28<@heckman>So if ifup is missing, your networking is going to be broken
08:28<hawk>Did you uninstall ifupdown?
08:28<@heckman>ofb: pastebin: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
08:29<XReaper>i forgot how annoying debian's network config was
08:29<@heckman>I don't mind it
08:29<@heckman>You can throw in iproute2 commands if you want. Perfect
08:29<XReaper>arch is raw iproute2 commands so
08:29<XReaper>Oh cool
08:29<@heckman>ofb: so you're running sid?
08:30<@heckman>Well, that's fun
08:30<XReaper>that explains the problem :D
08:30<@heckman>You'll need to bring up networking manually, and then fix your broken packages
08:30<XReaper>not saying sid doesn't work...
08:30<XReaper>but you need to keep up with the news
08:30<ofb>had 7 months uptime so far
08:31<XReaper>i'd expect the occasional snag
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08:31<@heckman>Second command might fail if you brought eth0 up already, if so just move on
08:32<@heckman>Then update/upgrade your packages, install ifupdown, and reboot
08:32<XReaper>ipv6 makes so much more sense...
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08:32<XReaper>config wise
08:32<XReaper>just all 'BAM!'
08:32<@heckman>Pretty sure it's about no different
08:32<ofb>heckman: thank you.
08:32<XReaper>iunno... must be ipv6 magicks
08:32<@heckman>ofb: np
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08:33<ofb>heckman: I'm doing apt-get update/upgrade now. and putting that in my evernote for linux. :)
08:33<thp>Hi guys, having some problem with ubuntu vm, can't seem ssh in to the vm
08:33<dwfreed>XReaper: SLAAC + NDP ♥
08:33<thp>can anyone help?
08:33<@heckman>thp: have you checked Lish?
08:33<@heckman>!to thp lish
08:33<linbot>thp: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
08:34<ofb>this place has consistently been the most helpful and politely patient irc channel I have ever been in. <3
08:34<hawk>ofb: Just a thought, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if ifupdown was removed as a result of doing that without paying attention previously.
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08:34<@heckman>Eh, I've seen ifupdown disappear randomly before. Hence the Debian guess.
08:34<@heckman>ofb: <3
08:35<ofb>yeah I decided to run sid because I wanted php 3.4 and I was impatient >_<
08:35<thp>heckman: I'm able to login with Lish but not sure what has happen to the vm
08:35<@heckman>Are you able to log in as root via Lish?
08:35<thp>heckman: yes
08:36<ofb>er 5.3.4 :D
08:36<@heckman>What's your Linode's IP? I'll see if I can make a TCP connection with your SSH daemon.
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08:37<XReaper>ofb: 5.3.4? i run php 5.4.3 :P
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08:37<Peng>Something about "I'll see if I can make a TCP connection with your SSH daemon." sounds like a line from some totally computer-inaccurate spy thriller.
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08:37<XReaper>well... arch == rolling
08:37<ofb>xreaper: arrrg you knew what I meant!
08:37<@heckman>Connection refused. So either there's a firewall there, or it's not listening.
08:37<hawk>heckman: I don't believe "randomly", but I would believe as a resolution to borked dependencies in sid and someone accepting it without even looking.
08:37<Silent>Hello everyone :)
08:37<@heckman>thp: can you pastebin ( ) the output of: netstat -pln | grep ssh
08:38<ofb>hawk: I try to look over the list careful but I may have missed something.
08:38<XReaper>HEllo Silent
08:38<thp>heckman: hmmm I boot the system in to Rescue mode
08:38<Silent>How do I install an OS on an image without partitioning it, so Linode won't complain?
08:38<@heckman>thp: oh, that's not too helpful. :P
08:38<@heckman>Try booting it back to normal mode.
08:38<XReaper>With arch if pacman won't comply i pass the --force flag :P
08:38<thp>heckman: thanks heckman! give me a min I'll boot it back.
08:39<@heckman>hawk: I've seen it happen in stable. But it may have been the end user's repos being whacked.
08:39<Silent>Can I tell linode to boot from an ISO?
08:39<@heckman>Silent: nah, we don't support that.
08:39<XReaper>you might need to make an image and dd it to an empty volume using finnix
08:39<@heckman>But yeah
08:40<Silent>Any way to get around it though?
08:40<Silent>Ex, convert the ISO to an image and boot that?
08:40<@heckman>What are you looking to do?
08:40<Silent>Nothing in practicualr, just being curious
08:41<thp>heckman: Just boot it back to normal mode
08:41<Silent>I wanted to know if I can boot an ISO.
08:41<@heckman>Silent: I don't know of a way to make an ISO a bootable image on disk directly.
08:41<Silent>Oh well.
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08:42<@heckman>Doesn't mean it doens't exist.
08:42<@heckman>doesn't even
08:42<XReaper>should be able to bootstrap a netinstaller with finnix
08:42<@heckman>thp: just pastebin the command I requested
08:43<thp>heckman: sorry, where should paste the command to?
08:44<thp>heckman: "netstat -pln | grep ssh"
08:44<@heckman>Any pastebin of your choosing.
08:44<@heckman>Any of those would work
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08:48<thp>heckman: Sorry, Not sure what I should do o.o. I must use LISH to login?
08:49<@heckman>Log in to lish, run that command, and copy/paste the output to a pastebin
08:49<@heckman>Log in as root in Lish (rather)
08:49<ofb>ok so I reinstalled ifupdown, anything else I should probably add?
08:49<@heckman>ofb: that was the immediate breakage. Hard to say what else may or may not be missing. :P
08:50<ofb>okay rebooting to see if networking comes up by default then
08:52<thp>heckman: It seem that the server is hanging on boot
08:52<@heckman>So pastebin the last stuff on the console
08:53<thp>heckman: i pastebin the last stuff on the console
08:54<thp>heckman: how shld i submit?
08:54<@heckman>Provide the URL in here...
08:55<@heckman>That's no good. Looks like your init scripts aren't runningn for some reason.
08:55<@heckman>I've never had luck troubleshooting the cause, as it's usually more effective to just redeploy and move your data over.
08:56<thp>heckman: Ok, do you mind guiding me along?
08:56<ofb>ok off to work, everything is back up and running peachy, thanks again!
08:56<@heckman>thp: I'm not sure I have the spare time to do so. You'll need to start fresh and reinstall/reconfigure all of your software
08:56<@heckman>You may want to use Rescue Mode to back up your data locally.
08:57<thp>heckman: I understand, can you just guide me how should i backup my Mysql Data?
08:57<linbot>New news from forum: What's everyone using for DNSBL's these days? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
08:57<@heckman>!library mysql backup
08:57<linbot>heckman: 1. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - | 2. The MySQL Relational Database System - | 3. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Debian 5 (Lenny) -
08:57<@heckman>Well that wasn't it
08:58<@heckman>!library mysql back up
08:58<linbot>heckman: 1. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - | 2. The MySQL Relational Database System - | 3. Use MySQL Relational Databases on Debian 5 (Lenny) -
08:58<@heckman>^^^^^ this explains how
08:59<thp>heckman: Thank alot!!!!!!! thank you!!
08:59<linbot> |
08:59<@heckman>In rescue mode, your MySQL folder will be in /media/xvda. So yeah
08:59<linbot>thp: |
09:00<hawk>SpaceHobo: You don't happen to have anything on excessive punctuation while you're at it? :P
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09:08<Peng>Most of the gTLD applications are really stupid:
09:08<linbot>mikegrb: Q: Whats the point of the lolz bot? A: To discourage the gratuitous use of the term.
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09:08<@heckman>Peng: .beer, a TLD I can support
09:09<Peng>I think the ".aws" TLD is a bit interesting. It'd be neat if S3 was at like instead of or whatever it is now.
09:10<rakome>Hi all, I have been using Apache for quite a while to serve static pages, PHP and RoR Web apps and PHP-based CMSs. I am thinking of switching to nginx, as I have read that it can greatly speed things and decrease memory consumption. The whole process looks pretty straight-forward.. Am I missing something? Should I be concernec/cautions about sth specific?
09:11<rakome>or is there a possibility I won't be able to do sth I was doing so far with Apache?
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09:13<@heckman>Most things should work. .htaccess files won't, however.
09:13<@heckman>(Not sure if any of your stuff uses them)
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09:17<rakome>good point heckman
09:18<rakome>Joomla uses .htaccess by default to allow seo-friendly names, with url rewriting
09:18<rakome>hopefully I ll be able to get them to work by migrating the rules for nginx in a central file instead of an htaccess
09:19<rakome>i guess all frameworks and CMSs are completely web server-agnostic, so there shouldnt be any weird results, right?
09:20<@heckman>Yeah. You'll just need to get software to actually do the processing of your scripts. Such as PHP FastCGI Process Manager (FPM) for the PHP scripts
09:21<rakome>does this come as a "module" for nginx, as is the case with Apache?
09:21<@heckman>It's a completely searate entity.
09:22<rakome>ok, I think I should give it a try... I hope it's not all hype about nginx :)
09:22<@heckman>rakome: which distro?
09:22<@heckman>And nah, Nginx is very quick.
09:22<rakome>Ubuntu 8.04 till now
09:22<rakome>now I will start from scratch and was thinking for the latest Ubuntu LTS
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09:22<@heckman>Yeah, that has FPM in the repos.
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09:23<staticsafe>8.04 :o
09:23<rakome>haha, begging to be hacked :D
09:23<@heckman>It's still getting security updates
09:23<rakome>heackman this is the "de facto" PHP processor for nginx?
09:23<XReaper>staticsafe: stfu... i'm on a server running 8.04 right now
09:23<rakome>heckman no comments on that :[
09:24<XReaper>:P gonna nuke it for debian :/
09:24<@heckman>rakome: Up until recently, no. But it is becoming so now.
09:24*staticsafe slaps XReaper around a bit with the IE6 binary
09:24<rakome>ok then i will note it down and go for it! thanks for all your answers!
09:24<staticsafe>I mean 8.04 was great but still
09:24<rakome>guys, sth I am a bit embarassed for asking but.. should you constantly be upgrading a production server?
09:25<phlux>rolling release > *
09:25<rakome>I am really scared of the thought that everything is going to break and we ll have serious downtimes
09:25<XReaper>The server is beyond saving... years and years of neglect and software installed from source... total mess
09:25<staticsafe>rakome: protip - have backups of everything
09:25<rakome>i do!
09:25<rakome>but i never upgrade haha
09:25<MaZ->security updates are important :p
09:25<rakome>so could i somehow apply only security updateS?
09:25<staticsafe>rakome: nothing should break if you are just doing security updates
09:26<MaZ->but updates just for the sake of e.g. updating php for new functionality you dont need? probably not worth it
09:26<MaZ->but its very case by case
09:26<rakome>i get what you mean
09:26<staticsafe>Ubuntu 8.04 is only getting security updates at this point
09:26<rakome>is there an easy way to apply only sec updates?
09:26<rakome>or i should be filtering them manually?
09:26<@heckman>Once there is a package freeze, you only get security updates/bug fixes
09:26<rakome>define package freeze please? :D
09:27<@heckman>They freeze the version.
09:27<@heckman>Ubuntu and Debian do package freezes
09:27<rakome>for a specific distro?
09:27<@heckman>No new features go in, just bug fixes/security patches
09:27<rakome>ok, and this happens upon releasing a new distro version or at some later point?
09:27<@heckman>Debian 7 (due for release in February) is going to undergo its freeze this month.
09:27<Nivex>oooh! I hadn't heard about that.
09:27<@heckman>rakome: it depends on the distribution. Not all of them freeze packages.
09:28<Nivex>new Debian will be nice
09:28<@heckman>Nivex: I'm not sure it's 100% decided, but they are pushing for it
09:28<rakome>i m on Ubuntu so that's great
09:28<XReaper>debian 7 should have/has php-fpm
09:28<@heckman>It does.
09:28<@heckman>Also uWSGI in stable
09:28<rakome>so just sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade?
09:28<XReaper>arch has everything
09:28<rakome>No Fear?
09:28<XReaper>should be fine
09:29<@heckman>rakome: assuming the package maintainers didn't get drunk and go to town, yes
09:29<XReaper>you aren't running arch linux, so should be fune
09:29<rakome>ok, snapshot -> sudo apt-get...
09:29<rakome>hehe thanks heckman
09:29<rakome>i feel better about admitting publicly that I have never upgraded my poor 8.04
09:29<rakome>its like group therapy :D
09:30<XReaper>yeah, i'd reccomend a re-deploy
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09:30<rakome>yes that's why I m here!
09:31<rakome>i m moving from another provider
09:31<rakome>after being bought off and ruining its once good services
09:32<rakome>linode seems great and has much better prices
09:33<XReaper>and shouldn't get bought off in the near future
09:34<hawk>that we know of, anyway :P
09:34<linbot>New news from forum: What caused that network spike? in General Discussion <>
09:34<XReaper>inb4 google buys microsoft
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09:39*XReaper pays $5 for hawk
09:39<rakome>thanks again everyone, bb
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09:45<linbot>New news from forum: Multiple IPs on Ubuntu10.04LTS not reflected in HTTP Request in Linux Networking <> || Nginx Config Help - Cant password protect in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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10:02<rakome>I m back again ! Just signed up and ready to deploy
10:02<rakome>Why linode suggests 32bit distros?
10:03<@caker>do you know you need 64 bits? if so go for it. otherwise save some memory and go with 32
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10:03<rakome>no i dont! i just thought processing would be faster with 64bit
10:03<dwfreed>not really, unless you're working with numbers bigger than 32 bits
10:04<rakome>32 it is then !
10:04<rakome>if i m going to stick with Ubuntu i should obviously go for 12.04 right?
10:05<XReaper>12.04 is...
10:05<XReaper>a bit off
10:05<XReaper>i'd hold off for awhile
10:05<XReaper>it works, but yeah
10:05<rakome>i m not going to upgrade for the next 4 years.. :D
10:05<XReaper>maybe 12.04 then :P
10:05<rakome>yes i think i should take the risk lol
10:06<rakome>10.04 in 2016 would be way too off
10:06<rakome>swap size 256 or 512? i have plenty of disk space
10:06<@heckman>I use 128 or 256
10:06<linbot>New news from forum: Thoughts on other, cheaper providers in General Discussion <>
10:06<@heckman>Probably 256, gives Linux plenty of space to throw stuff when it's not in use
10:07<XReaper>i use 128 :D
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10:07<rakome>196 it is then
10:07<rakome>oops no option :D
10:08<XReaper>since when did you deploy 3.4.2
10:08<XReaper>i don't wanna reboot :(
10:09<rakome>question: what's the point of not allocating 100% of ur disk space on a linode?
10:09<rakome>could you run 2 images on parallel? I guess no..
10:09<XReaper>i allocate my full space
10:09<XReaper>just incase linux decides to go 'bam!' and eat my disk space
10:11<hawk>rakome: No, you can only run one
10:12<hawk>rakome: And I'm sure there are plenty of creative uses
10:12<linbot>New news from kernels: Latest 3.4 (3.4.2-x86_64-linode25) <> || Latest 3.4 (3.4.2-linode44) <> || Recovery - Finnix (kernel) <> || 3.4.2-linode44 <> || 3.4.2-x86_64-linode25 <>
10:13<XReaper>heckman: any advantages in 3.4.2 over 3.0.18?
10:13<@heckman>I've not looked at changes from 3.0.18 => 3.4.2. But I imagine it contains bug fixes amongst other things.
10:13<@irgeek>rakome: There are many reasons. Having several distros to test your code under. Having separate disks for some mount points...
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10:14<XReaper>hmm... not worth losing my #1 spot in this idlerpg :P
10:14<rakome>ok thanks :)
10:15<XReaper>at least the infamous 3.2.1 is gone now
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10:21<XReaper>on second thoughts i might hold off on 3.4.2 for now
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10:21<linbot>New news from forum: What caused that network spike? in General Discussion <>
10:22<XReaper>that's still going?
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10:25<hawk>Apparently so... sounds like it's time for him to wipe all of the things
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10:29<Peng>Why do people send me weird HTTP requests? :(
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10:30<XReaper>they <3 you
10:31<cornishpasty>XReaper: agreed :P
10:31<Peng>They love me, so they want to get their firmware upgrades from me?
10:32<MaZ->how strange
10:33<cornishpasty>Peng: and windows updates
10:33<Peng>I was especially disturbed by the one -- the user-agent says it's modern Linksys gear!
10:34<XReaper>heckman: you made me interested
10:34<XReaper>now i'm rebootin to 3.4.2
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10:37<davis>if i add a new CNAME, how long before it will resolve ok?
10:37<mwalling>zones are regenerated on the quarter hour
10:38<mwalling>add a couple minutes for things to get the new zones... about 5 after the quarter hour is a good guess
10:38<@caker>our nameservers will start serving up changes in 0 to 15 minutes. Normal DNS caching business still applies
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10:38<davis>ok great, thanks
10:38<hawk>davis: When adding a new record it depends on the SOA "MINIMUM" value
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10:39<hawk>caker: What do you mean "huh?"?
10:39<davis>my linode has its own resolver set to - is that one of yours?
10:39<Nivex>yay new kernel! I dunno if I'll get to it in the next couple of weekends or if it will have to wait until after I move
10:39<hawk>caker: (It was an expansion on your "Normal DNS caching business still applies")
10:40<XReaper>Nivex: i'm on 3.4.2
10:40<XReaper>i needed to check if arch would reboot nehow
10:40<XReaper>turns out my hostname isn't set :D
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10:43<linbot>Peng: 2600:3c02::3,
10:43<Peng>davis: ^ Apparently yes
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10:43<davis>yep - did the same after i asked the dumb question
10:43<Peng>davis: Your proper resolvers are listed in the Remote Access section of the manager, BTW.
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10:47<hawk>caker: Or was the "huh" for something else?
10:49<linbot>New news from forum: Forum breakage in General Discussion <>
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10:50<@caker>hawk: out of context (and even in) your statement is inaccurate. minimum soa has nothing to do when 'adding' a record. but I'm over it :)
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10:50<hawk>caker: SOA "MINIMUM" is what is used as the ttl for negative caching
10:50<hawk>caker: And negative caching is what is relevant if adding a record that did not previously exist
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10:51<@caker>only if you've queried for it?
10:51<hawk>If you haven't queried for it, why would it be in the cache?
10:52<@caker>thus why would soa minumum matter when adding a record .. that makes no sense :)
10:52<hawk>caker: Same reason as you added "Normal DNS caching business still applies"?
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10:53<hawk>(It may have been looked up for whatever reason and then it would be cached.)
10:54<hawk>I feel I'm getting trolled by caker... I should probably just end this right here
10:54<XReaper>i just have bind server the zone to linodes nameservers in a slave zone :/
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10:55<MaZ-> FISHFISH
10:56<Peng>XReaper: server is not a verb.
10:56<XReaper>wee 3.4.2-linode44
10:56<XReaper>Peng: i meant serve
10:56<XReaper>it was a typo!
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11:02<staticsafe>meh cba to reboot
11:04<_ryan>expected delivery on my laptop is monday :D
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11:05<Peng>Everybody, camp out at _ryan's house and mug the delivery person!
11:05<_ryan>Peng: i have to sign for it :p
11:05<Peng>Alright, who has a photo of _ryan and the rubber mask maker?
11:06<Peng>_ryan: Wait, that's irrelevant. Mugging overrides signing.
11:06<_ryan>Peng: I had hoped I fooled you
11:07<XReaper>staticsafe: i can help you reboot
11:07<staticsafe>XReaper: meh
11:07<Peng>XReaper: No you can't. Linode fixed the Xen CVEs.
11:07<_ryan>Peng: sadly this machine is worth mugging for
11:08<Peng>I loved when I got a big Newegg "may contain awesome!" box on the porch for a $40 router. :X
11:08<Peng>No, doesn't contain awesome! Please don't steal!
11:08<XReaper>lo really? :P
11:11<@irgeek>_ryan: Wouldn't happen to be a new MBP with a retina display in that box, would it?
11:11<_ryan>irgeek: if i say yes, promise not to mug me?
11:12<@irgeek>If you say yes, I promise to hate you out of jealousy.
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11:12<_ryan>irgeek: *yes*
11:12<jchen>new orders don't ship until like july
11:12<jchen>so jelly
11:12<XReaper>irgeek: u r geek?
11:12<cornishpasty>Peng: <late>What use would a photo of the rubber mask maker be?</late>
11:12*irgeek didn't get an order in before shipping date went from 2-3 days to 2-3 weeks.
11:12<cornishpasty>irgeek: ouch :(
11:12*cornishpasty can't afford one atm
11:13<jchen>thats ok tho, cuz my shipping date is on my birthday :)
11:13<_ryan>irgeek: got mine within an hour, it was 5-7 days
11:13<@irgeek>Up the 3-4 weeks now. :(
11:13<_ryan>irgeek: which model did you buy
11:14<@irgeek>I didn't yet. When I do it will be the $2,200 one.
11:14<_ryan>irgeek: i got that one, with the ram upgrade. its soldered on the board, now or never
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11:14<@irgeek>Yeah. I've thought about that.
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11:15<jchen>and you better not crack the screen. you have to replace the whole thing if you do
11:15<_ryan>irgeek: with the student discount the ram upgrade was a wash
11:15<cornishpasty>jchen: only the screen assembly...
11:15*irgeek isn't a student
11:15<_ryan>irgeek: tell them you go to "school of internet"
11:15<jchen>8GB of ram is 180 dollars :x
11:16<@irgeek>The extra stuff for the assembly vs just the screen is pretty much just some aluminum, a bit of glass and the radio antennas.
11:17<_ryan>irgeek: and the camera
11:17<@irgeek>It's not a super-awesome camera. Likely very cheap.
11:17<_ryan>irgeek: they said its 720p
11:17<@irgeek>That's not super-awesome. 1080p would be super-awesome.
11:18<cornishpasty>jchen: It's £160
11:19<@irgeek>My point, though, is that compared to the cost of a 15" 220DPI screen, the rest is pocket change.
11:19<cornishpasty>irgeek: true.dat
11:19<cornishpasty>Also, it's only £200 more than the regular 15" MBP
11:20<_ryan>irgeek: though if you go with 8GB you can get it in the store. likely before 2-3 weeks
11:20<@irgeek>And replacing the whole shebang is *much* simpler that taking the screen assembly apart on a current MBP.
11:20<XReaper>what currency do you speak
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11:22<@irgeek>_ryan: Yeah, but that requires a lot of calling Apple stores to know when they come in and getting there fast to snipe one before they're gone.
11:22<_ryan>irgeek: to be fair, it's worth it. i bet if you wait a few days for things to cool down you could find one
11:22<@irgeek>Option 2 is to accept that I'm not getting it in the next few weeks, order from Amazon and save $150 in sales tax. ;)
11:23<@irgeek>Oh, and use the Amazon gift cards I've had since Christmas to help finance it.
11:23<_ryan>sounds like a plan to me
11:24<XReaper>what're we buyin?
11:25<@irgeek>Just the greatest laptop ever built.
11:25<cornishpasty>XReaper: irgeek is buying all the active members of this channel Retina MacBook Pros
11:25<XReaper>Doubt it
11:25<XReaper>he ain't that cool
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11:32*praetorian *
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11:33<metadeath>I have a DNS question
11:34<metadeath>How do I change the reverse DNS from to my web address
11:35<praetorian>irgeek: the au tx on that sucks btw. i think its like $500 more on the base model. rediculous.
11:35<praetorian>metadeath: on the manager, go into 'remote access' and there is an option there
11:35<praetorian>you have to have the dns record for the host set up first
11:35<linbot>New news from forum: site down after pointing nameserver to linode (please help) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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11:39<metadeath>I set up the automatic DNS already. The client is going to point the DMS to my static IP address and asked to have the reverse DNS to point to the dase URL
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11:39<metadeath>it just says perform a forward lookup in the Reverse DNS settings
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11:40<linbot>New news from forum: site down after pointing nameserver to linode (please help) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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11:41<metadeath>No match was found for ''. Reverse DNS must have a matching forward entry that points to one of your IPs. I get this error
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11:45<@caker>^- not a Linode IP
11:45<linbot>New news from forum: site down after pointing nameserver to linode (please help) in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || Thoughts on other, cheaper providers in General Discussion <> || Multiple IPs on Ubuntu10.04LTS not reflected in HTTP Request in Linux Networking <>
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11:46<metadeath>Do I have to wait until they change the IP to point to the linode before I can do it
11:47<delacaintern>How do I find the IP address? I am no experience with IT or web development! Thank you so much!
11:47<jchen>dig +short <domain name> in a terminal
11:47<delacaintern>I am an intern for a non-profit assigned the task to develop a low budget website!
11:47<delacaintern>Thank you.
11:47<metadeath>Thank you
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11:55<cornishpasty>Thank you
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11:59<praetorian>thank you and good night new york
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12:42<tharkun>Gentlemen what would be a nice bug tracking program that doesn't goble all my server resources?
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12:45<tharkun>SpaceHobo: I am currently using it, but i need it to be a bit more disperse. The person submitting the bugs is no longer /me
12:45<@caker>I really like trac
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12:53<linbot>New news from forum: site down after pointing nameserver to linode (please help) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:54<Peng>....It's not over 9000
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13:04<zucchini>Anyone familiar with the Chrome Developer Tools Network tab? Trying to understand the diff between Waiting and Receiving times
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13:07<HockeyInJune>Waiting is latency, until your browser starts recieving data. Recieving time is the time it takes to get the data, from when data starts arriving until it finishes.
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13:08<HockeyInJune>I've been trying to compile a custom 3.2 (or 2.6.32) kernel for my linode for a couple days now, it seems that any configuration I pick doesn't want to boot. Has anyone noticed this, or heard about this, or have any tips for me? If I can't get my custom kernel working, I'm going to have to switch to EC2.
13:09<@heckman>HockeyInJune: are you basing your config off ours?
13:09<zucchini>OK, and does latency include travel time for bits + server wait time?
13:09<HockeyInJune>heckman: Sometimes, but that still doesn't work.
13:09<@caker>HockeyInJune: zcat /proc/config.gz from ours
13:09<mwalling>zucchini: waiting == time to first byte, receiving is time to last byte
13:09<HockeyInJune>caker: That's what I do.
13:09<@caker>HockeyInJune: out of curiosity, what is missing in our kernels that you need?
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13:09<zucchini>when does waiting time start?
13:10<HockeyInJune>grsec and some stuff I wrote myself.
13:10<@caker>ok. So perhaps your problem is pv_grub wiring, and not the kernel itself? Can you get a kernel to start booting?
13:11<HockeyInJune>I am not sure. What do I need to do other than check /boot/grub/menu.lst and switch my kernel in the linode manager?
13:12<@caker>Are you getting as far as pv_grub booting and you see your grub menu?
13:12<@caker>(via Lish) ?
13:12<HockeyInJune>I was trying to get Ubuntu's linux-image-3.2.0-24-virtual to boot and it wouldn't.
13:12<HockeyInJune>caker: I think I saw it a couple times, but not recently.
13:13<HockeyInJune>I figured it was just flashing by too quickly. Let me fix the timeout.
13:13<mwalling>zucchini: right after the request is sent
13:14<@caker>First off you need to be connected to the console. Then you need to verify pv_grub is loading. Then you need to verify your menu.lst is loading. Then you need to see if grub can find and execute your kernel and that it is logging to the console.
13:14<mwalling>zucchini: request -> /waiting/ -> first bit of response -> /receiving/ -> end of response (i think rendering starts here)
13:14<@caker>if grub executes your kernel but no console == you need to fix your console device in the kernel arguments. Without this you won't get very far with debugging
13:14<zucchini>okay thx mwalling
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13:15<@irgeek>I'm pretty sure rendering can start before the end of the response.
13:16<zucchini>so just to confirm waiting time is the sum of: time it takes request to hit server, time it takes server to return request, time it takes for first bit to arrive at the browser
13:18<HockeyInJune>kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-24-virtual root=/dev/xvda console=hvc0 ro
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13:20<HockeyInJune>Fuck me. It booted.
13:21<HockeyInJune>I will recompile my 3.2 kernel and report back in a couple hours.
13:21<@caker>SET MODE annoy_random_customers = false;
13:22<@caker>crap, wrong window
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13:33<tharkun>caker: thanks for proposing trac, but it is subversion based and it doesn't suit my current needs. Some suggested redmine. It looks promissing. Thanks
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13:33<subleq>who operates linode's newark datacenter?
13:33<@caker>tharkun: it works with git just fine
13:33<@caker>redmine is a mess, imo
13:35<subleq>hawk: thank you sir
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13:36<@heckman>tharkun: My experience is probably not the norm, but when I tried to install Redmine I dealt with a bunch of version pinning issues causing incompatibilities. It sucked.
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13:38<tharkun>caker, heckman: Nice to know I'll will take that into consideration
13:41<Katana>if you can work with something like github's issue tracker, gitlab may be worth a shit
13:41<Katana>good luck with rails though.
13:41<qmr>Are any of you running game servers on your Linode? If so, what games?
13:41<Katana>used to run tf2
13:42<qmr>Katana: what size node? I haven't run any tf2 servers, not familiar with what resources it consumes
13:43<jchen>source games usually use ~512 iirc
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13:44<joecool>hey, anyone know an LZO compression utility on doze? I don't think 7-zip carries support for it
13:44<qmr>does winrar do it?
13:45<EugeneKay>!google windows lzo
13:45<linbot>EugeneKay: Lzo: <>; LZO real-time data compression library: <>; lzop file compressor ( OpenSource): <>; sadam.lzo under windows - problem with MSVCP100.dll « Cycling '74 ...: <>; [Compression] LZO 2.06 out but where is the (1 more message)
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13:45<Katana>qmr: ran *okay* on a 768, but it was a bitch because of how much valve hammers the disk sometimes.
13:45<joecool>qmr: i highly doubt it, I'd prefer a free utility as well
13:46<EugeneKay>The first page appears to be a CLI utility that does it. Dunno what to tell you about a GUI
13:46<joecool>i'm ok with a CLI
13:46<joecool>primarily a linux and not a windows user :P
13:46<Katana>Maybe peazip
13:47<qmr>joecool: check cygwin?
13:47<Katana>hmm, doesn't look like peazip does it
13:47<qmr>upload it to linode, decompress, ???, profit!!!
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13:50<joecool>oh well shit
13:50<joecool>lzop is available on doze
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13:56<joecool>well i guess they don't use lzo for their compression
13:56<joecool>can't be gzip either or 7-zip would have picked it up
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13:58<hawk>joecool: if you peek in the file, is there any header that gives it away?
13:58<mmgg>Hello, im trying to set up a SFTP jail using this guide, All is well until I try and change the users home dir to their sites apache root dir. (/srv/www/example). When I do that, they are not able to login via SFTP. Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong?
13:59<hawk>Permissions issue? Do they need something from their former .ssh dir?
14:00<@heckman>Have you checked to see why they can't log in? Have you connected to SFTP with verbose output? Have you looked at your system logs for any indications? (Usually /var/log/auth.log on Ubuntu)
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14:00<mmgg>I will try looking at the logs, thank you heckman
14:00<joecool>hawk: the file is rather large, i'm wary or trying to peek at it on windows
14:00<joecool>i'd just use head on it with linux
14:01<joecool>we're talking ~150GB in size
14:01<hawk>joecool: I'm sure there are Windows applications that won't read the whole thing into memory :P
14:01<joecool>know of a hex editor that won't shit bricks?
14:01<joecool>on it
14:02<hawk>hxd is not a horrible hex editor
14:03<hawk>(in windowsland)
14:05<hawk>(it has a portable version too, so no need to install)
14:08<qmr>UE32? lulz
14:09<qmr> I used to use that back in the day
14:11<hawk>Ah, then I know of it. Not a free little hex editor that you can just grab and use, though.
14:12<qmr>no, it's a bit pricy. not sure if there is a trial or not.
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14:20<joecool>hxd is working just fine
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14:47<auraka>heckman: ping
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14:48<dan6>hi there
14:49<dan6>i've just replaced my SSL cert for Apache, the old one expired yesterday. the new one is 2048 bit FYI, old one was 1024.
14:49<dan6>i've restarted apache
14:49<dan6>but browsers still report the cert as expired yesterday. any ideas?
14:49<dan6>in particular, there is linode node balancer in front of apache. could that have something to do with it?
14:50<Peng>I don't have any ideas, though. Perhaps you didn't update all of your Apache backends?
14:50<dan6>so weird. i commented out the lines in the vhost that load the cert, and apache did complain on restart that there is no cert to load.
14:51<dan6>suggesting it is loading the new cert.
14:51<dan6>yeah, coudl be there is another apache running i don't know about i GUESS
14:51<dan6>oh wait
14:51<dan6>thanks for saying that
14:52<dan6>in our old configuration all ssl went to node 1 but you're right, we are sharing ssl across both nodes now. head slapper.
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14:53<EugeneKay>Herp derp
14:54<EugeneKay>I try to replace my certs a week ahead of time
14:55<joecool>trying to figure out what this clown did to his storage array, got the hardware up but the partition table for it is showing up as FAT12 type (wat), and examining the beginning of the image with a hex editor is kinda strange, we're good after around 160KiB
14:55<joecool>before that though it's mostly blank with a couple odd strings like ASTROS
14:56<dan6>here's to that
14:56<dan6>i asked for it like a month ago but of course the guy who has to buy it only sends it to me after everyone starts complaining
14:57<dan6>shoulda bugged him tho, i did forget.
14:57<EugeneKay> is $0 for a basic cert
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14:58<dan6>good to know
14:59<mmgg>Hi, newbie question, I have setup a SFTP jail for a user on my server, i'm wondering if they should have permissions to the .ssh in their user folder?
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15:02<Peng>mmgg: I believe it would be safe, and it would be convenient so they can update their authorized_keys and such
15:03<mmgg>Peng: i thought so. So its common that they own everything in their user dir. but not the dir itself, which is owned by root:root, yes?
15:06<hawk>Not owning your home dir does not sound particularly common
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15:07<mmgg>isnt that what this suggets?
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15:08<m>Is there a way to immediately shut down a linode instance?
15:08<m>it's taking 2 minutes just to power off the instance!
15:08<@caker>m: the 'destroy' command via Lish shell
15:08<@caker>it's doing that because your instance isn't responding ... it pulls the plug after 2.5 minutes
15:08<hawk>mmgg: Looks like it, yes
15:09<m>Any chance that could be added to the normal dashboard?
15:09<mmgg>Okay thanks for your help!
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15:09<@caker>m: it already is: Remote Access -> Launch Ajax Console -> control-a d, destroy<return>
15:10<m>I mean the destroy command
15:12<m>I just almost never shut down an instance for any other reason than apache prefork making the machine unresponsive and I can't remember to use Lish for it
15:12<m>so I hit shutdown and have to wait 3 minutes...
15:12<@caker>m: it already is: Remote Access -> Launch Ajax Console -> control-a d, destroy
15:13<@heckman>auraka: pong
15:13<Peng>Ctrl+A actually gets through to Ajax lish? Browsers don't eat it?
15:13<m>I know that caker, I'm saying there could be another button called "Power Off" as I think Rackspace or Slicehost does that immediately does that command
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15:15<m>for example, my blog is being hit with traffic), so the shutdown command tricks me and I forget about having to go into Lish and do the destroy. I wish there was just a Power Off button in the dashboard
15:15<m>Just a suggestion
15:18<@caker>why not fix your system so it's not configured poorly enough to OOM all the time? I don't want to make it easier for people to whack a pull-the-plug button and potential do damage to their filesystems and cause problems in general
15:19<@caker>also, the destroy command is built into the normal shutdown procedure. If you can't wait, or don't want to wait, fire up Lish and run the destroy command from there
15:20<linbot>New news from forum: Proper MX Records? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:21<m>Fair enough. Probably should move the wordpress instance off that host and stop paying for it anyways
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16:11<MajObviousman>guess that means no
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16:45<tharkun>heckman: what is your choice of bug tracking system?
16:45<@heckman>What's it going to be used for?
16:45<hawk>Tracking bugs!
16:46<tharkun>heckman: tracking bugs and general isues.
16:46<@heckman>Public facing? How many contributors?
16:47<tharkun>Only over the private network and a restricted number of users
16:47<tharkun>although email and http are a must. Since this is cross platform
16:47<tharkun>We have Macs, Windows linux, and a few others less knows critters around
16:47<@heckman>I've not tried setting it up, but if you like interfaces like github/bitbucket you may want to try Gitlab.
16:48<@heckman>It's a RoR app that you can install and use.
16:48<tharkun>RoR app?
16:48<@heckman>Ruby on Rails
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16:52<qmr>I highly recommend bitbucket. I dislike that anyone can close bugs though.
16:52<@caker>CLOSED, NAB
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16:55<qmr>only the person opening the bug should close it, after confirming the fix works
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16:58<dwfreed>qmr: by default, most bugtrackers allow anybody to close the bug
16:58<qmr>yea, no option to change this in bitbucket. otherwise I <3 bitbucket and atlassian
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16:59<tharkun>qmr: Our workflow is somewhat different, bugs must be capable of reproducing. After the initial bug report (1 person) resources are assigned to fix it. After "fix" it gets inspected by a final team (2 persons) that feed some costs analysis and close the bug for good
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17:03<qmr>tharkun: You could do this with bitbucket, as long as people follow directions.
17:05<tharkun>qmr: I've learned the hardway that if you do not lock stuff "USERS" will screw you ASAP. I rather lock them down
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17:12<qmr>clue-by-four / pink slip
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17:24<auraka>heckman: yo
17:24<EugeneKay>Hrm. New Linode has an ID of 976977. That's a lot of linodes.
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17:24<staticsafe>EugeneKay: soon they will become sentient and take over the world
17:24<auraka>heckman: create my first little script using checks pingdom checks...then calls people if any of them are down
17:25<@heckman>Oh nice! Still in testing?
17:25<auraka>and calls every 60 minutes if they are down
17:25<auraka>heckman: is ugly as hell
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17:25<auraka>so many if statements
17:26<staticsafe>Linodia 3 : The Return of the Pseudviking
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17:27*dwfreed hands staticsafe an 'o'
17:28<staticsafe>I'm making a lot of typos today
17:28*staticsafe makes a not not to type any rm into the terminal today
17:28<staticsafe>note even -_-
17:29<@heckman>auraka: As long as it works. :P
17:29<staticsafe>Jun 14 17:21:26 peregrine sshd[6259]: Failed password for invalid user shit from port 38637 ssh2 - haha
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17:31<auraka>heckman: I cheated...I use pingdom's dumb php script...I need to just convert it to native perl
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17:33<dwfreed>staticsafe: hmm, that address belongs to ThePlanet/SoftLayer; you should send them an abuse complaint :)
17:33<staticsafe>dwfreed: done already :)
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17:34<auraka>heckman: <--- bask in the ugly
17:34<staticsafe>its rare that I get stuff from Fail2Ban nowadays, since I firewalled off China
17:35<auraka>so need to rewrite this
17:35<dwfreed>On my Linode, I firewalled off IPv4, but I wouldn't recommend that to anybody
17:36<staticsafe>dwfreed: so how is the IPv6 internet? :P
17:36<dwfreed>staticsafe: it's great
17:36<ajmitch>it's a lonely place? :)
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17:37<Brandon>Hi There!
17:37<Brandon>I am trying to deploy a stack script for the first time
17:37<Brandon>Stackscript is asking for "Deployment user public ssh key"
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17:38<Brandon>Not sure what that would be on a new deployment...
17:40<dwfreed>Brandon: which stackscript is it?
17:40<Brandon> -> Line 24
17:44<dwfreed>Brandon: diving through the stackscript and the associated installer it pulls down and runs, that allows you to specify the SSH key you want to be able to use to log in as the user you specified in "Name of deployment user"
17:44<Brandon>hmm… so I have to have a public key?
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17:48<dwfreed>Brandon: yes, but it's considered good practice to completely disable password auth and only use key-based authentication
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17:49<Brandon>Thanks drfreed. Off to Google public ssh creation
17:50<dwfreed>Brandon: what do you use for main computer? Windows, OS X, or Linux?
17:50<linbot>New news from forum: 32bit or 64bit OS? in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || Security scanning recommendation? in General Discussion <>
17:50<Brandon>Mac OSX
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17:57*MajObviousman has lost some hair today because of lighttpd
17:57<MajObviousman>when you issue a reload signal, sometimes it obeys and sometimes it doesn't
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17:57<dwfreed>Brandon: put the contents of in the "Deployment user public ssh key" field in the deployment wizard
17:57<dwfreed>MajObviousman: so use nginx? :D
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17:58<MajObviousman>you make it sound so simple
17:58<Brandon>thanks dwfreed - I will try that!
17:58<MajObviousman>I've already bitched about it to dev team and got a "Hold on now, that's a Big Decision, we don't make those quickly"
17:59<MajObviousman>ironic because my boss makes quick decisions all the time, but because he's the boss he can do that
17:59<MajObviousman>and I usually am the one cleaning up messes
18:00<rnowak>ha ha lighttpd
18:00<dwfreed>MajObviousman: so become the boss? :)
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18:00*MajObviousman throws things at dwfreed
18:00<vodka> <= is this the issue that was behind the maintenance the past month?
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18:01*MajObviousman drinks vodka
18:01<MajObviousman>lots and lots of vodka
18:01*vodka poisons MajObviousman
18:01*MajObviousman dies a happy man
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18:47<EugeneKay>vodka - /topic
18:48*vodka isn't used to the /topic actually changing - should have seen that, sorry :)
18:48<rnowak>whisky > *
18:48<EugeneKay>Stop drinking yourself
18:48<rnowak>you could say he is... under self-influence
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18:53<HoopyCat>vodka: i know... i have "Topic for #linode is: Linode Community Support | | 20% Increase in Punchcard Stack Quotas!" burned into the top of my monitor
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18:55<mdcollins>Ugh, it bothers me when websites wont allow me to right click anywhere on their site.. I just want to open the link in a new tab!
18:55<vodka>virtual punch card readers, yay!
18:55<rnowak>hold ctrl or alt and right click right through their retarded shit
18:55<qmr>mdcollins: Copyright (c) 2008 F U Inc.
18:55<qmr>Copying strictly prohibited!!11
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18:56<HoopyCat>mdcollins: wrench -> tools -> developer tools
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18:57<Satellite>google chrome asks if you want to disable that javascript if you right click twice
18:58<HoopyCat>the moment i have to start using fancy tools to use your web site is the moment i'm going to tweet a screenshot of your site with animated dongs floating across it, with the comment "looks like got hacked, you guys might want to check it out"
18:59<mdcollins>Satellite, while true, it just now shows nothing and still disables the right click menu >_<
18:59<Satellite>weird, it shouldn't do that
19:00<rnowak>holding ctrl or alt and right clicking doesn't work? I can't remember which it was
19:00<mdcollins>rnowak, nope, neither one made it work.
19:01<mdcollins>Oh well, I opened the link and closed the original site..
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19:03<HoopyCat>you know, to be perfectly honest...
19:03<HoopyCat>i'd probably open the door
19:04<mdcollins>>_< Nice knowing you HoopyCat..
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19:08<auraka>HoopyCat: I have cougars always coming after me too....
19:09<staticsafe>bad joke
19:10<auraka>staticsafe: shush it
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19:13<davidwhite>Was there any issues today in the New Jersey datacenter?
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19:14<dcraig>they let snooki loose in the datacenter !
19:14<thegodlikehobo>I'd let my datacenter loose in her any day of the week.
19:15<linbot>Think something is wrong? Check out
19:15<davidwhite>yeah, was the 1st place I checked
19:16<thegodlikehobo>davidwhite: on a more serious note, it'd be helpful to state any problems you had
19:16<davidwhite>My company (unrelated to Linode) had some pretty big networking issues crop up towards the end of the day, so I wasn't sure if there might've been a network issue on the East Coast
19:17<davidwhite>but related to my Linode issue, in my investigation, I'm pretty sure it was a DDoS that my client (for whom I host their site through Linode) experienced.
19:18<davidwhite>After configured Apache to handle more concurrent connections, tightened the firewall, and turned on a monitor on the firewall to help mitigate certain types of DDoS attacks (which happens to be one of the types I suspected was happening), it appears things got better
19:18<auraka>why can no one make a laptop that rivals the mbp
19:18<dcraig>maybe use cloudflare with that client, or something
19:18<davidwhite>that, AND they most definitely had a spike in legitimate traffic today - got press from Aljazeera and BBC
19:22<thegodlikehobo>good on you for mitigating the ddos before linode null-routed the IPs of your server
19:23<davidwhite>even though they had the extra press, I do suspect they had some sort of DDoS, as there were a gazillion SYN_RECV packets sitting in netstat
19:24<davidwhite>I'm not surprised either... I'm just surprised they haven't been DDoS'd before - they've probably made a lot of enemies recently (they advocate against China's 1-child policy / forced abortion)
19:25<auraka>how come ubuntu still can't work on new laptops out of the box
19:25<@heckman>How come Ubuntu server ships with IPv6 privacy extension enabled?
19:26<rnowak>>ubuntu, I just answered both your questions
19:26<thegodlikehobo>auraka: new as it recently released model?
19:27<thegodlikehobo>as in, rather
19:27<auraka>rnowak: pretty sure debian has issues as well
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19:28<rnowak>auraka: I am not sure why you'd mention debian :)
19:28<rnowak>auraka: can that samsung be had with at least 8GB RAM?
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19:29<rnowak>4 GB of installed DDR3 RAM (1600 MHz; maximum capacity)
19:29<rnowak>guess not ):
19:29<auraka>rnowak: yes
19:29<auraka>but it is 15.5
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19:30<rnowak>ah well
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19:30<rnowak>I am waiting for my retina mbp to arrive, 3-4 weeks, god damnit.
19:30<purrdeta>I wish I had money for that. Well, I do but it would be ALL my money
19:30<encode>rnowak: wait faster
19:31<rnowak>encode: started messing with PySide/Qt, time runs faster when you're having... fun...
19:32<Satellite>I ordered my Retina when they were 5-7 day waits, woop woop
19:33<rnowak>I ordered mine when they were 2-3
19:33<rnowak>fuckers send me an email with 2-3 weeks, then later receive a sorry email that it is delayed to 3-4
19:33<rnowak>(ordered when it said 2-3 days)
19:33<davidwhite>So.... Linode does that? null-routes an IP if it gets DDoS'd hard enough & long enough? Good to know. I'd deal with anything immediately anyway, but I guess this makes sense if there's server admins out there who don't take action, as I guess it can cause network congestion for the entire datacenter
19:34<rnowak>davidwhite: there's very little you can do against a DDoS
19:34<Satellite>did you get the 16gb of RAM?
19:34<rnowak>Satellite: yes
19:35<rnowak>davidwhite: let me rephrase it -- anything *you* do to "mitigate" it, is pointless. The issues are not how you handle it when it reaches your linode.
19:35<avenj>you can find the 15 year old responsible and tell his mom
19:35<avenj>< <
19:35<avenj>> >
19:35<rnowak>well, there's that
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19:42<@heckman>auraka: I think that could be prettier in Python. :P
19:43<Katana>finally, got openvpn forwarding nicely
19:44<avenj>heckman: or just perl written in a way that doesn't suck ass? and that could pass strict?
19:44<avenj>assuming we're talking about
19:44<@heckman>Well, I mean because there is a Twilio REST module.
19:45<HoopyCat>} } else { } } else { ; } } } &pingdom;
19:45<avenj>HoopyCat: yeah, whoever wrote that snippet was smoking only the best
19:45<HoopyCat>oh man
19:46<HoopyCat>the more i read it...
19:46<Katana>avenj: whoever wrote that should be burned at the stake imo
19:46<HoopyCat>also, pingdom sends SMS notifications
19:46<Katana>also, `rm -rf $pingfile`
19:46<avenj>this is why people say "perl is bad" -- because there are so many complete buffoons writing it poorly
19:46<Katana>why shell exec shit
19:46<HoopyCat>@pingdom=`php pingdom.php`;
19:47<HoopyCat>@pingdom=`php pingdom.php`;
19:47*staticsafe sends some tsunderes Katana's way
19:47<Katana>it's a hybrid of perl and php and bash and "WHAT THE FUCK"
19:47<HoopyCat>it's not murder if it's in the name of all that is holy and right
19:47<Nivex>ok Uncle Sam
19:48<avenj>oh, I think auraka wrote this :)
19:48<avenj>I must be being "annoying" again.
19:48*davidwhite loves Pingdom
19:48<avenj>auraka: if you wrote this, you need to go read Learning Perl, then Modern Perl, then most of the core perldocs, then try again -- sorry if that's "annoying"
19:48<avenj>anyway, bbl
19:48<Katana>staticsafe: My thanks unto thee
19:48<auraka>avenj: I said...horrible
19:48<HoopyCat>well, it would be a delightful shell script
19:49<auraka>avenj: if you'd like to write it better I'd love to see it
19:49<@heckman>What does the pingdom.php file do? o_O
19:49<auraka>heckman: grab all the pingdom checks for an account
19:50<staticsafe>I love writing shell scripts :P
19:50<auraka>I did it in 30 min :-/
19:50<@heckman>auraka: is there not a better API available
19:50<auraka>heckman: this was the lazy way.....but they have a documented api
19:51<@heckman>Resource: Checks ?
19:52<auraka>avenj: i'd love something better, wish to show me how?
19:52<@heckman>Why Perl?
19:52<auraka>heckman: why not?
19:52<@heckman>Compared to Python
19:52<KyleXY>because, it's perl.
19:52<Katana>it's not perl
19:52*KyleXY hides
19:52<Katana>it's perlhpash
19:52<auraka>heckman: show me how you would do it in python?
19:52*auraka nods
19:52<rnowak>why even start perl vs python, when it would probably be as shit if he wrote it in python
19:52<auraka>it is a monster but it works
19:52<@heckman>Mind showing what API call you are making exactly?
19:53<@heckman>minus creds
19:53<avenj>auraka: I'd start by using the existing WWW::Twilio::API
19:53<@heckman>I'd use Python so you can easily interact with pingdom's API directly.
19:53<HoopyCat>Transmitter Output power: 4W / 1W (Max 5W)
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19:53<avenj>auraka: don't use &sub calling syle, that is perl4 style
19:53<@heckman>Having urllib and JSON parser in the core is nicer.
19:53<auraka>avenj: okay....I'm open to learning so show me how it is done
19:53<avenj>auraka: (unless you *know* why you need it)
19:53<HoopyCat>so is that 5 watts if you're going downhill?
19:54<avenj>auraka: don't shell out unless you have to, there is no need to fork a shell most of the time
19:54<rnowak>HoopyCat: the defubitutator device would probably not make it.
19:54<@heckman>auraka: what's the full API call?
19:54<Katana>HoopyCat: did you paint flames on the side
19:54<auraka>heckman: it is the checks call...listed on pingdom's website...just grabbed their php "script" again...30 min and done
19:54<avenj>auraka: oh, and don't use 'perl -w' -- 'use warnings' instead -- the -w flag is global, meaning that it also turns on warnings for things you might import via 'use' that aren't actually supposed to have full warnings turned on, whereas 'use warnings' has lexical scope
19:54<avenj>but moment
19:55<auraka>but yes I should be beaten for writing such a monster but quick/easy/lazy
19:56<avenj>mehr, shelling out to php -- I would kill that
19:56<auraka>their little php script does a curl call to grab all the checks
19:56<avenj>on second thought, this is not worth a rewrite for clarity, but rather some tips -- in addition to the above:
19:56<auraka>avenj: planned on it when I had more time
19:57<avenj> - always 'use strict' -- this will save you many a headache
19:57<avenj> - always declare variables in the tightest scope possible, usually you use 'my' to declare a lexical, see perldoc -f my
19:57<HoopyCat> <--- just had to buy it, simply for the comedic value
19:57<avenj>(strict will tell you when you haven't done this)
19:58<avenj>never shell out to 'rm' -- you have 'unlink' available
19:58<HoopyCat>it's a cheap chinese clone of a cheap chinese knockoff radio
19:59<Katana>never rm -fr files
19:59<Katana>only rm -f
19:59<Katana>files do not need recursion
19:59<auraka>avenj: thanks...unlink does look a bit safer...knew there was a better way but at 12 heh
19:59<HoopyCat>-f is also a particularly bad habit; if it requires -f, you probably don't want to automatically
20:00<avenj>heckman: also, HTTP::Tiny and JSON::PP (as of perl-5.14) are core :)
20:00*Katana has this bad habit down pat, sadly
20:00<dcraig>you should use rm -rf with confidence, knowing that you can restore from backups if anything bad happens
20:00<@heckman>avenj: ah I've been using 5.10
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20:00<HoopyCat>dcraig: that's... ok, we'll take that
20:00<avenj>heckman: 5.10 is EOL through multiple releases now
20:01<avenj>perlbrew fixes that ;)
20:01<staticsafe>This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi = thats what I have in stock debian
20:01<staticsafe>perlbrew hmm
20:01<auraka> anyone going to show me how it is done or just criticize...heckman where is the python version :-P
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20:01<rnowak>why should we do your work for you?
20:02<staticsafe>:o perlbrew is awesome
20:02<avenj>auraka: it's done like this
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20:02<avenj>as far as I can tell ...
20:02<avenj>but I don't use the thing
20:02<staticsafe>perlbrew is like RVM or virtualenv hmm
20:03<avenj>perlbrew is pretty great for forgetting vendor perl exists
20:04<rnowak>staticsafe: or you could just python and forget that perl even exists ;)
20:04*avenj hits rnowak with something heavy
20:04<staticsafe>rnowak: aye
20:04<rnowak>avenj: <3
20:04<staticsafe>I don't really perl, but I've been looking into write some irssi scripts
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20:05<avenj>auraka: my biggest piece of advice is to read this front to back:
20:05<avenj>auraka: PDFs are linked at the bottom
20:05*staticsafe downloads
20:06<staticsafe>I read through Oreilly's Learning Perl 5th edition
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20:06<auraka>avenj: maybe I'm missing it but via their perl module how would you send the text the be said for the call
20:06<avenj>I usually advise new perl cats to read Learning Perl to the end, Modern Perl to the end, supplement with perldocs
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20:07<qmr>I advise new perl cats "don't".
20:07<rnowak>avenj: you'd be doing them a great deal of favors if you just tell them to use python instead
20:08<avenj>auraka: not sure, don't know anything about it really -- just looked for Twilio on CPAN. it might suck, for all I know
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20:08<avenj> looks relevant-ish
20:09<auraka>looks like this might be able to do it
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20:13<@heckman>Damn, pingdom's API sucks :|
20:17<avenj>topic on another channel I'm on "Bad API Users Anonymous"
20:17<@heckman>Uses HTTP Basic Auth in combination with an App-Key
20:17<auraka>heckman: yup
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20:17<@heckman>That's absolutely stupid.
20:17<@heckman>I really wouldn't want to put a valid login to my pingdom account in a script. API key is another story
20:17<XReaper>Hmm... someone decided to throw 100Mbit inbound at my linode that isn't hosting anything. woot
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20:18<avenj>heckman: I think we usually call those "configuration files"
20:18<staticsafe>XReaper: stop pissing people off
20:18<staticsafe>inb4 null-route
20:18<XReaper>staticsafe: um
20:18<@heckman>avenj: correct, but not something I'd really want to store on-disk
20:18<XReaper>they only did it for 2 hours
20:19<XReaper>well... an hour going by the penis shaped blip
20:20<auraka>heckman: is what it is, work with what you have and all
20:28*heckman just added his next Linode, dillinger
20:29<purrdeta>heh I want moar linodes
20:29<@heckman>So now I have tron, clu, flynn, and dillinger
20:29<XReaper>efnet is a fun place. they show you they love you through ddos :D
20:29<KyleXY>heckman: Heh, my newark is named Tron
20:29<KyleXY>heckman: I blame dwfreed
20:29<Kamilion-Work>sounds about accurate, XReaper
20:29<@heckman>All of mine are in Newark
20:29*XReaper nukes newark
20:30<dwfreed>heckman: I don't remember dillinger from Tron
20:30<auraka>heckman: why?
20:30*staticsafe nukes tokyo
20:30<@heckman>dwfreed: the antagonist from the original movie?
20:30*XReaper nukes urmom
20:30<auraka>wouldn't you want some redundancy incase newark dies
20:30<@heckman>And my home systems are quorra, rinzler, and marv
20:30<dwfreed>I've seen the original movie, but don't recall that bit; I guess I'll have to watch it again
20:31<XReaper>i gave my linodes shitty names :D
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20:31<@heckman>dwfreed: he's the guy that stole Flynn's code. :O
20:31<@heckman>Ed Dillinger
20:31<KyleXY>auraka: How often do we see newark actually die :p
20:31<@heckman>auraka: what the heck would I need redundancy for?
20:31<auraka>avenj: thanks....using the twilio perl mod now
20:32<auraka>now to figure out how to make pingdom suck less
20:32<rnowak>avenj saves the world yet another time
20:32<XReaper>heckman: isn't newark the closest to linode hq?
20:32<auraka>avenj: they have their own little url that will do the text to speech
20:32<@heckman>XReaper: yes
20:33<avenj>rnowak: chaotic neutral -- might steal your car, might help your development
20:33<XReaper>so nuking it would likely take you out hence the lack of need for redundancy :D
20:33<rnowak>is that a death threat?
20:33<rnowak>mwalling: kill!
20:33<@heckman>And that's why I always ahve a system capable of IRC
20:34<XReaper>irc is awesome
20:34<Katana>irc is something to fear
20:34<Katana>hide your children!
20:34*staticsafe hides Katana
20:35<auraka>this thing is still going to be ugly with all the if statements...thoughts?
20:35<avenj>use fewer if statements? ;)
20:35<avenj>it depends on what the logic is doing
20:35<KyleXY>if it's simple enough, use a switch?
20:35<avenj>sometimes what you really wanted is a dispatch table, for example
20:35<KyleXY>need moar info
20:36<XReaper>staticsafe: hah
20:36<XReaper>if's are expensive
20:36<auraka>avenj: basically....if website is up...check to see if downtime file is there...if it is remove it....if it isn't do nothing...if file isn't there do nothing
20:37<staticsafe>XReaper: urmom is expensive
20:38<auraka>the other part is say...if website is down call but don't call if you have called in the last 60 minutes
20:38<auraka>it so*
20:38<@heckman>Sweet. The city I grew up in, and lived in before moving to Linode, is now considered the poorest city in the U.S. :/
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20:38<auraka>heckman: probably because you left...baller
20:38<@heckman>Nah, started to go downhill when steel industry when to hell.
20:39<Katana>heckman: michigan?
20:39<XReaper>heckman: good thing you left?
20:39<@heckman>Katana: Reading, Pennsylvania.
20:40<@heckman>(You've heard of us if you've ever played the original monopoly, Reading Railroad)
20:40<Katana>Oooh, damn
20:40<Katana>things fell that far, huh?
20:40<staticsafe><3 monopoly
20:40<staticsafe>the game anyways
20:40<Katana>staticsafe: GET OUT MS FANBOY
20:40<@heckman>Yeah. Rail industry, then steel industry. I'm glad I got out.
20:40<staticsafe>I prefer the UK version of monopoly the game tbh
20:41<XReaper>heckman: heh... all for the best i hope :P
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20:41<avenj>auraka: doesn't sound too bad if your logic is sane enough -- postfix style can help for one-liner type stuff, such as unlink $downtime_file if -e $downtime_file;
20:42<staticsafe>I love how its called postfix style heh
20:42<avenj>sometimes you want to dispatch out to various actions based on some condition, in which case you can usually replace your if() logic with a dispatch table (or use method dispatch if you're getting into oo and can haz objects)
20:43<staticsafe>hmm did the perlbrew install die or what, its been sitting there for a while, I thought perl would compile faster :o
20:43<avenj>staticsafe: takes forever :o
20:43<avenj>mostly because of tests
20:43<avenj>(unit testing in perl is a religion, that's a major plus)
20:45<staticsafe>amavisd, why you rape so much ram? :(
20:46<XReaper>ram is sexy :D
20:46<linbot>New news from forum: Security scanning recommendation? in General Discussion <>
20:46<staticsafe>avenj: not sure, but I'm not seeing any CPu activity
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20:48<avenj>staticsafe: during a 'perlbrew install perl-X' ? download running, perhaps? could be stuck waiting on a dead/slow mirror? could kill and restart w/ install -v
20:48<staticsafe>hmm avenj its stuck at "downloading perl-X.tar.bz2"
20:48<staticsafe>ill try that
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20:49<Katana>that's because staticsafe landed on the trollmirror, which just feeds you /dev/urandom
20:49<staticsafe>I bet rnowak hosts it
20:49<Katana>God-tier, man.
20:50<Katana>1/100 chance to feed someone /dev/urandom
20:50<staticsafe>oh yea, dat CPU spike
20:50<rnowak>I'm in your CPU, stealing your cycles
20:50<staticsafe>sometimes I just compile stuff to see the CPU spike
20:50<staticsafe>dammit its only using one core
20:51<XReaper>... told a friend to apply for linode :P
20:51<XReaper>staticsafe: -j4
20:52<staticsafe>i know, I didn't choose the makeopts, but I did set it to -j5 in my zsh config
20:52<avenj>*probably* respects environment MAKEOPTS ... maybe ... slow part is the tests anyway though
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20:53<dwfreed>who tests? :D
20:53<Katana>I don't always test
20:53<Katana>but when I do
20:53<Katana>I do it in production
20:54<XReaper>'ammagawd it dropped all my tables'
20:54<staticsafe> - have this little snippet in my zsh config that sets the makeopts
20:54<dwfreed>I don't add one
20:55<XReaper>i have makeopts in my makepkg.conf
20:55<dwfreed>because -j4 tends to use all the CPUs when it's used anyway
20:55<XReaper>that's arch
20:55*heckman always uses N+1
20:55<Kyhwana>someones been on a CMS web vulnerability spree
20:55*XReaper uses N+11
20:56<staticsafe>Kyhwana: Full disclosure mailing list?
20:56<XReaper> fun :D
20:56<dwfreed>I did an informal benchmark one time, building the linux kernel with -j4 and -j5, and for some reason, -j5 was slightly slower
20:56<dwfreed>(disclaimer: informal)
20:56<XReaper>kernels are balls
20:57<dwfreed>kernels are basically all compiling, and a bit of linking
20:57*staticsafe gets some food while perl compiles
20:57<dwfreed>very parallelizable
21:00*heckman rolls his new Linode up to testing
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21:12<XReaper>heckman: why so many nodes?
21:13-!-vraa [] has joined #linode
21:13<@heckman>One for srsbzns, one for personal dev stuff (git repo issue tracker), one that's kind of a volatile environment, and one last one for a super sekrit project
21:14<XReaper>an internal super sekrit project?
21:17<dominikh>and so many because HE CAN
21:17<dominikh>getting free stuffs n stuff
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21:17<XReaper>noticed the dude never changed the rdns from the linode default... meh
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21:22<XReaper>cornishpasty: get a job with linode. i hear they are awesome
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21:28<purrdeta>I love super sekrit projectz
21:28<Katana>heckman's secret pastebin?
21:30<staticsafe>Katana: gimme a installable pastebin "webapp" that doesn't suck
21:30<XReaper>heckman: with those CVE's i assume linode was told before they went public?
21:30<XReaper>nvm :P
21:31<XReaper>either way was fixed quickly
21:31<HoopyCat>XReaper: no, lucky guess
21:31<XReaper>I guess it depends
21:31<@heckman>Public information:
21:31<Katana>staticsafe: and that isn't stupidly complex right?
21:31<@heckman>The good part is at the bottom
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21:31<staticsafe>Katana: >.>
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21:31<Katana>Simple, safe, useful. Two of three.
21:32<staticsafe>someone linked to one that runs on node.js
21:32<XReaper>heckman: yeah, since linode is a major user
21:32<Katana>heckman: Hmmm. So, how long did it take for rackspace to start rebooting?
21:32<purrdeta>heckman: that is the good bits
21:32<@heckman>Katana: RS uses AMD afaik
21:33<@heckman>(so unaffected)
21:33<KyleXY>Damn intel :p
21:33<XReaper>so it was an intel issue :P
21:34<HoopyCat>and they never have security problems, just forced reboots that take 15 minutes
21:34<KyleXY>XReaper: Yep, XSA-7 only affected Intel
21:34<@heckman>Woah, init script output changed in Wheezy
21:34<@heckman>me kind of likey
21:34<XReaper>Changed in what way? for the better?
21:34<KyleXY>XReaper: if he likes, more than liklely
21:35<@heckman>[ ok ] Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd.
21:35<@heckman>Just adds a green ok at the front
21:35<XReaper>:D... funny the only two hosts on that list was linode and rackspace
21:35<XReaper>heckman: oh, like arch
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21:35<XReaper>cept arch has it on the right side
21:35<@heckman>I believe Red Hat were the first to go with the right side status
21:36<XReaper>colours are nice and visual during the boot process
21:36<XReaper>red = bad
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21:36*KyleXY just thought of a good way to prank a bud next year ._.
21:36<XReaper>sitting on a uni's wifi with credentials from a uni on the other side of the country... w00t
21:37<malifae>does 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe96:7205 resolve for anyone?
21:38<staticsafe> 86400 IN PTR
21:39<staticsafe>gotta love IPv6 PTRs
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21:39<XReaper>doesn't resolve to anything but an ip address
21:40<XReaper>wait now it does
21:40<malifae>oh crap, I can't just dig an v6 address in standard notation?
21:40<XReaper>host will do it
21:40<dwfreed>dig -x ipv6address
21:40<dwfreed>does it for you :)
21:40<malifae>oh ok
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21:40<malifae>cool, thanks
21:40<NdFeB>dig -x works for me
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21:41<XReaper>love how dns works...
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21:43<XReaper>what is with the use of letters for nameservers...
21:43<XReaper>like etc
21:43<staticsafe>why not?
21:44<XReaper>Hmm .me doesn't
21:44<XReaper>guess dey speccial
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21:44<XReaper>then again they seem to have DNSSEC set up
21:44<XReaper>:P nvm
21:44<XReaper>au is shitty
21:45<XReaper>'who needs security!'
21:45<HoopyCat>because they use letters?
21:45<XReaper>:P nvm
21:45<XReaper>.au is spacial
21:46<ajmitch>very special
21:46<GLaDOSDan>what the hell are you on about
21:46*XReaper gives staticsafe a bone
21:47<HoopyCat>see also
21:47<ajmitch>XReaper: so you're asking why the .au zone has multiple NS records?
21:47<staticsafe>wtf i thought .ca had DNSSEC
21:47<ajmitch>.nz is boring & has ns1 through
21:48<Kyhwana>.nz is signed
21:48<XReaper>XSA-7 is a fun on
21:48<XReaper>ajmitch: not that
21:49<XReaper>just they don't have dnssec :(
21:49<Kyhwana>.au doesn't, no
21:49<XReaper>aint signed and seems there's no plans to be
21:49<ajmitch>that's silly
21:49<XReaper>last news was last year
21:49<XReaper>yeah, auDA + ausregistry
21:49<XReaper>special set up there :P
21:50*staticsafe slaps CIRA around a bit with the IE6 binary
21:51<XReaper>all au's ns's live on .au
21:51<XReaper>nz's ones are borring :P
21:51<GLaDOSDan>what the hell are you on about
21:51<XReaper>nameserver records for TLD's
21:51<ajmitch>oh good, the registrar I use is one of the few listed as DNSSEC-friendly on
21:51*GLaDOSDan goes on about how acronyms don't need an apostrophe
21:52<ajmitch>GLaDOSDan: matter of style
21:52<GLaDOSDan>it looks so out of place and wrong and :(
21:52<HoopyCat>banana's 0.49c / lb's
21:52<staticsafe>well .ch and .me are signed *shrug*
21:52<XReaper>like etc is less boring than nz's style
21:53<XReaper>dynadot isn't dnssec friendly
21:53<HoopyCat>staticsafe: .ly isn't, which is obviously a reason why needs to mirror in .ch
21:53<XReaper>isn't it a royall pain to reg a .ly?
21:53<Kyhwana>ajmitch: I use metaname
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21:53<XReaper>no doubt wouldn't be appropriate
21:54*ajmitch should have got a domain
21:54<ajmitch>Kyhwana: as do I
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21:55<Kyhwana>ajmitch: setting up dnssec is pretty easy really, you just have to worry about rolling keys and resigning once a month afterwards
21:56<staticsafe>XReaper: ugh you are right
21:57<mwalling>holy shit
21:57<XReaper>i read the policy before i tried something rediculous
21:57<ajmitch>Kyhwana: sounds moderately tedious
21:58<mwalling>XReaper: there's also fear that could get shitcanned if the lybian's decide they don't like something hosted there
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21:58<mveplus>Hello Linode team
21:58<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
21:58<Kyhwana>ajmitch: well, you don't _have_ to roll keys, it's just recomended.
21:59<XReaper>mwalling: yeah, i've read about the
21:59<mwalling>mveplus: s/team/bunch of fanboi bozos/
21:59<dwfreed>Kyhwana: bind does it for me; the only time I have to remember to do anything is when the KSK rolls over
21:59<Kyhwana>and resigning it just running dnssec-signwhatever
21:59*XReaper is a linode fanboi bozo
21:59<XReaper>s/a/glad to be a/
21:59<ajmitch>so it's not too involved to do so?
21:59<mveplus>waltman: I have a question regarding linode bandwith
22:00<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
22:00<XReaper>incoming is free!
22:00<XReaper>outgoing... counted
22:00<HoopyCat>can i use a AN/CYZ-10 for dnssec fills, or do i need to use a AN/PYQ-10?
22:00<mwalling>XReaper: shush and let him ask before you confuse him
22:01<mveplus>waltman: sorry Q was not for you
22:02<KyleXY>mveplus: ask anyone
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22:06<XReaper>we don't bite
22:06<mwalling>omg linode is so annoying
22:06<mwalling>he's biting me while i type.
22:07<mwalling>he's a little shit like that
22:07<dwfreed>mwalling: you named your dog/cat "linode" ?
22:07<mwalling>dwfreed: old news.
22:07<dwfreed>and I probably forgot
22:08<purrdeta>hehe I remember that
22:09<mwalling>that said, this little shit plays fetch with the dog
22:10<GLaDOSDan>pics? :o
22:11<mwalling>he sees us with the camera and stops to come over and get pet
22:11<mwalling>and the dog follows
22:12<mwalling>mveplus: were you going to ask that question tonight?
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22:13<mveplus>yes, my question was about bandwith upgrade? Is it possible for Linode 512 and what price?
22:13<linbot>Available extras: Disk: $ 1 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IPv4 addresses: $ 1 per address/month. To add extras, visit the Extras tab on a Linode.
22:13<Katana>cheaper to upgrade the node itself if you're gonna constantly use all your B/W
22:13<mwalling>mveplus: you only pay for traffic from your linode to the internet, not for what comes in.
22:14<linbot>Kyhwana: Now 22% full (about 6 hours remaining). Last emptied 3 hours ago, last full yesterday at 20:25 UTC after running for 10.1 hours.
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22:14<Katana>geez hoopy
22:14<mwalling>oh F me.
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22:15<Katana>mwalling: We're doomed
22:15*Katana throws flood party
22:15<mwalling>no, not that
22:15<Katana>what broke then
22:15<mveplus>mwalling: okay I may join linode guys then, thank you!
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22:16<Katana>oh, services themselves are out
22:16<XReaper>mveplus: excess transfer is fairly cheap too
22:16<Katana>ruh roh
22:16<XReaper>services always seem to go out :/
22:17<mwalling>patches welcome.
22:18<XReaper>i was thinking about giving oftc-services a try on a network
22:21<XReaper>running outdated hybserv and hybrid-ircd atm
22:21<mwalling>incoming services.
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22:25<XReaper>mveplus: linode is awesome
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22:28<mveplus>I can see that, I'm currently use a few instances with other providers but have some trobules with them so I'm looking for alternative
22:28<XReaper>i've never had problems
22:29<XReaper>only forced reboot was to fix security issues no doubt
22:29<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
22:29<mveplus>the problems are not the issue but how the support teams deal with it...
22:29<mwalling>mveplus: i've sent the support team cookies.
22:29<mveplus>What location they have VPS?
22:30<mwalling>mveplus: everwhere.
22:30<mwalling>!to mveplus speedtest
22:30<XReaper>i normally get a reply within 2-3 minutes to support tickets
22:30<mwalling>mveplus: also, i named my cat linode. would i do that if they weren't awesome?
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22:30<purrdeta>mwalling: seems the cat is sorta a dick though :P
22:30<mwalling>stop finding flaws in my logic
22:30<dcraig>thta's borderline pet abuse
22:31<purrdeta>mwalling: <3
22:31<GLaDOSDan>mveplus: Linode's support is seriously the best you'll find. Anywhere.
22:31<mwalling>mveplus: everyone has VPSes. linode has *awesome* people behind them.
22:31<GLaDOSDan>Except Amanda
22:31<auraka>mwalling: mostly
22:31<GLaDOSDan>She's weird and smells funny
22:31<mwalling>GLaDOSDan: right.
22:31<rnowak>how did they fit heckman behind the servers? :/
22:31<XReaper>I'm happy to pay for good service
22:31<mwalling>rnowak: mikegrb clears the way
22:32<mwalling>ooompa loompa doppade dope
22:33<mveplus>Thank you guys I'll try them
22:34<mwalling>!to mveplus 7day
22:34<linbot>mveplus: There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
22:34<karstensrage>it seriously is good service
22:35<XReaper>the more linodes you have the more pool you get too :D
22:35<karstensrage>I mentioned a security issue that was found and they indicated they already knew about it and had fixed it
22:35<karstensrage>that means they are proactively watching infosec for you
22:35<karstensrage>which in my mind is extremely valuable
22:35<XReaper>karstensrage: or are on a lot of pre-disclosure lists
22:36<karstensrage>XReaper, either way it benefits me hugely
22:36<XReaper>mm :D
22:36<mwalling>i think when you're as big as linode you probably have a commercial support engagement that entitles you to things like that
22:36<karstensrage>XReaper, and shows the proactive rather than reactive approach they have, which I have found to be rare
22:37<XReaper>Mmm. and xen is the backbone of the business
22:37<karstensrage>mwalling, where I work they pay through the nose for full support DC's, and they are NOTHING like linode
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22:42<Katana>service providers that claim "full service" i find rarely are
22:42<Katana>usually most of their "service" is clueless
22:42<XReaper>Linode makes no such claims
22:42<Katana>(I'm not limiting that statement to vps companies)
22:42<XReaper>they're just...
22:42<XReaper>there are some shitty isp's
22:44<XReaper>lolyup there seems to be ipv4 issues...
22:44<XReaper>aarnet sent me through singapore to tokyo
22:44<rnowak>that's amazingly interesting
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22:45<rnowak>oh, I thought we were playing words by association
22:45<mwalling>i was
22:45<ajmitch>XReaper: going via singapore isn't as bad as NZ->US->AU to get to aarnet over ipv6 :)
22:46<XReaper>ajmitch: yeah, aarnets ipv6 peering is boned
22:46<XReaper>it peers in CA
22:46<ajmitch>considering how long they've had ipv6 live, that's surprising
22:46<StevenK>If you're in AU, it's fine
22:47<XReaper>ajmitch: yeah, they don't have any singaporean peers either so getting from tokyo to perth is JP -
22:47<XReaper>> US -> AU
22:48<ajmitch>sounds about right
22:48<XReaper>ipv4 goes via singapore
22:48<Kyhwana>ajmitch: hmm, so is their v4
22:49<Kyhwana>i'm going to the US and back to AU to get to (via karen) atm
22:49<ajmitch>it's a bit of a pain when it's 65ms vs 330ms to reach the same domain
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22:50<XReaper>from here in newcastle nsw it goes syd->cbr->mel->adl->per
22:50<ajmitch>Kyhwana: interesting, I'm on snap & it's direct to AU, only 50ms to
22:50<XReaper>they use their own pipes w00t
22:50<Kyhwana>ajmitch: hmm, snap probably don't get to go out over KAREN
22:51<ajmitch>XReaper: goes via .jp
22:51<ajmitch>I think we can just say that this part of the world is screwed up
22:51<mveplus1>just try to connect form my Adium clinet,
22:51<mveplus1>works good
22:52<mveplus1>Does some one use linode for providing VPN to clients?
22:52<purrdeta>I provide VPN for myself
22:53*ajmitch uses linode for VPN to the office, to get ipv6 at work
22:54<ajmitch>easier than setting up a tunnel to HE behind 2 levels of NAT :)
22:54<purrdeta>ajmitch: tell me more.
22:54<ajmitch>I've got a /56 routed to my linode, and using tinc for a vpn
22:54<XReaper>at least using linode for vpn means only outgoing it counted... buut then really it means both ways gets counted :P
22:55<purrdeta>ajmitch: interesting. I've been looking into doing something similar but I dunno
22:55<ajmitch>it works well enough even with the NZ-US latency
22:56<mveplus1>someone in China from you guys?
22:56<purrdeta>Was it difficult to set up?
22:56<ajmitch>not really that hard to set up, the examples are fairly good
22:56<XReaper>mveplus1: not to sure, we've had a few in here beforw
22:57<mveplus1>Latency is enormous form within
22:57<mveplus1>I never try tinc
22:57<XReaper>ooooh. looks easier than openvpn
22:58<ajmitch>yeah it is
22:58<XReaper>ajmitch: will it support ipv6->ipv6 tunneling? :P
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22:58<purrdeta>eh openvpn is what I'm using now but I havent bothered with trying to do IPv6 or anything complicated. Simple VPN
22:58<ajmitch>XReaper: I believe it does
22:58<XReaper>Hmm... the speedtests are ipv4 only
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22:59<mveplus1>tinc does and OpenVPN has full support on v.2.3 beta
22:59<XReaper> format should work for a pingtest
22:59<purrdeta>ajmitch: so basically, do you run radvd over your vpn?
22:59<XReaper>145ms from tokyo -> dallas.
23:00<ajmitch>purrdeta: no, I have a static route set on the linode, and radvd in the office for the /64 that's routed
23:00<purrdeta>OH! so you have your linode act as a router and then a server on the other side acting as a router and then radvd running on that second server in your office?
23:00<purrdeta>Also, is it this example?
23:01<ajmitch>a bit simpler than that one but essentially the same
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23:01<purrdeta>I'd only need one /64 from linode though to achieve that correct?
23:02<XReaper>um, using a /56 is easier
23:02<XReaper>then you can still use it on the linode
23:02<purrdeta>hmm true I guess
23:02<purrdeta>but I don't really need it on the linode lol
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23:02<Santo>leenodah eh @ XReaper
23:02*ajmitch uses 2, one /64 for the on-link addressing, one for the office network
23:02<XReaper>cos getting just a /64 means you can't use it at all :/
23:02<ajmitch>asking for a /56 is fairly simple
23:03<XReaper>'i want a /56 routed to <ip>'
23:03<purrdeta>hmm ajmitch would you be willing to share your configuration with me perhaps? (redact things if you wish)
23:03<purrdeta>XReaper: and <ip> would be my IPv4 yes?
23:03<XReaper>ask for a /116 pool and get the /56 routed to one of the ipv6s
23:03<XReaper>ip is ipv6
23:03<purrdeta>erm no I guess my ipv6
23:03<purrdeta>yeah I already have a pool
23:03<purrdeta>which an awesome prefix I should add
23:03<XReaper>just get a /56 routed to one of your pool addresses
23:03<purrdeta>which is a strangely large reason I can NEVER leave linode :P
23:04<XReaper>less pain if you want to move it to another noode :D
23:04<ajmitch>purrdeta: yeah, I'll have to dig it up :)
23:04<purrdeta>ajmitch: you are awesome, thanks!
23:04<purrdeta>and I assume tinc and openvpn can coexist?
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23:04<XReaper> has IPv6 address 2400:8900:e001:500::dead:cafe <-- pro
23:04<ajmitch>I haven't tried
23:05<purrdeta>I assume they can
23:05<purrdeta>they dont seem to use the same interface
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23:05<ajmitch>my config is going to be pretty much the same as the tinc example, I think
23:07<XReaper>i have a few c0ffee hosts
23:07<XReaper>main idea is to have a tunnel when i'm out of the house :P
23:07<purrdeta>ajmitch: thats fine, I'd still really like it. Sometimes seeing a working implementation is nice
23:07<purrdeta>And did you have to add iptables rules?
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23:08<XReaper>time to go sit outside exam room
23:09<ajmitch>purrdeta: ip6tables rules, but that's a given
23:09<purrdeta>hmm hopefully you can help me with that. My ip6tables is... very very rusty :P
23:10<ajmitch>might not be today that I can go over it
23:10<purrdeta>oh of coruse
23:10<purrdeta>I'm in no rush. In fact it is 10PM here so I'll go to bed soon :P
23:11<ajmitch>fair enough :)
23:12<purrdeta>anyway, when you have a chance, I'd love to hear about it but there is no rush. I've gone this long after all. I've done tunneling with HE but... I dunno this sounds more fun and useful.
23:13<mdcollins>Grr.. Why do you take forever deleting a file over smb?!?
23:13<purrdeta>I wonder what sort of horrible trouble I'd get in if I started SLAAC at my work. And I wonder if it would even work...
23:13<ajmitch>it's more of a manual set up than a HE tunnel, but I needed something that could work behind NAT
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23:14<ajmitch>everything in the office here picks up an address, it's useful when I've got VMs on my laptop that I have bridged in virtualbox
23:15<purrdeta>ajmitch: nice. I work in a University so it would be potentially difficult if that happened. Though I'd venture to guess that it would not even work.
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23:16<ajmitch>they may not be very happy if they don't have RAs blocked on the network
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23:17<purrdeta>I would imagine they do. They have just about everything else blocked :P
23:17<linbot>New news from forum: Is apf dead in Linux Networking <>
23:17<purrdeta>They also have an IPv6 block so I don't see what the hold up is on native.
23:17<ajmitch>probably management of devices & security
23:18<purrdeta>They've had their block for like 2 years though...
23:19<purrdeta>I don't expect native IPv6 to be anywhere near me anytime soon. It's a shame
23:19*ajmitch only has it at home
23:20<purrdeta>I only have it on linode :P
23:20<Kyhwana>ajmitch: hah, me too. work doesn't even have a plan
23:20<ajmitch>linode isn't 'near me', so I don't count it :)
23:21<purrdeta>according to, my university isn't even announcing it's v6 range
23:21<purrdeta>neither of the universities I am involved with are
23:22*heckman is glad Comcast is half way there
23:22<purrdeta>heckman: me too. As AT&T steps backwards
23:22<purrdeta>And Verizon just isnt around
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23:32<@heckman>Anyone having problems hitting github from Newark?
23:33*heckman can't get a route
23:33<@heckman>Or my networking is half broken...what the heck
23:33<dwfreed>heckman: wfm
23:33<HockeyInJune>10. 0.0% 7 8.9 9.1 8.9 9.4 0.2
23:34<HockeyInJune>no problems
23:34<@heckman>Jun14 23:33:30 <@heckman> Or my networking is half broken...what the heck
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23:34<dwfreed>heckman: you should fix that :)
23:34*dwfreed ♥'s the static networking
23:43<auraka>well...thats nice....a coredump on a perl script ugh..
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23:45<auraka>apparently it is core dumping when I pass curopts HTTPHEADER
23:46<avenj>use LWP::UserAgent; use HTTP::Request; ## skip the curling?
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23:47<@mikegrb>mojo::useragent the newer hawtness
23:48<@mikegrb>built in dom and json parsing with css selector support for text extraction
23:50<auraka>avenj: path of least resistance
23:52<avenj>mikegrb: touche
23:52<auraka>mikegrb: how would you properly pass a username/password with it?
23:52<rnowak>I wonder if it comes with documentation (:
23:53<avenj>mikegrb: I am usually in POE-land w/ POE::Component::Client::HTTP ... features are er, do it yourself :p
23:53<rnowak>avenj: I bet you parse html with regex too
23:53<@mikegrb>you can do it as http[s]://user:pass@host/path/
23:53<avenj>rnowak: right after I smoke a huge pile of crack
23:53<@mikegrb>there is a method you can call as well
23:54<auraka>rnowak: I'm reading the documentation...dick....i'm not seeing special options for it
23:54<@mikegrb>but I forget it at the moment and looking up the docs on the ipad are sub optimal
23:54<rnowak>avenj: that seems to be common case with perlists :p
23:54<@mikegrb>auraka: also, #mojo on is very friendly
23:55<avenj>(if you don't act a fool)
23:55<avenj>< <
23:55<avenj>> >
23:55<auraka>mikegrb: thanks
23:56<rnowak>css selectors for extraction is pretty cute, though
23:57<dwfreed>TIL how to delete lines in vim
23:57<dwfreed>use Ex-mode
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23:58<dwfreed>rnowak: ":g/^$/d" will delete all blank lines in the current file
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.33504852, 0.48951538) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 111498 of 141526 (π ≈ 3.151307886890041 - 0.009715233300248). http://π
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