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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-06-28

---Logopened Thu Jun 28 00:00:42 2012
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00:01<Kyhwana>ahaha, remote environmental monitoring stuff open on google
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00:03<Satellite>oh dear
00:04<Kyhwana>heh, icann has one that's open
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00:04<Kyhwana>You can see how warm the DNSSEC safe is
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00:05*Kyhwana emails them
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00:06<Kyhwana>hmm, or maybe they meant it to be? You can see the DNSSEC safe on the webcams
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00:09<retro|blah>Test failed.
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00:10<kjb>i guess it did
00:13<kjb>i'v been away for too long. forgotten everything i thought i knew
00:15*MajObviousman eyes
00:15<MajObviousman>oh, was pharaun
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00:17*pharaun stares back
00:18*Daevien stabs MajObviousman in the eyes
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00:20<kjb>why can't I just look at my IP address and see my stuff?
00:20<retro|blah>Define "see my stuff".
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00:22<kjb>Right,.. I just got a new linode, ran a stack script - which seems to have worked although I don't see anything in var/www - and I point browser to the IP address and see nothing
00:22<kjb>well OK maybe now i see something
00:23<kjb>but at least thats something
00:23<Kyhwana>did you copy your website to wherever you told your webserver document root is?
00:23<kjb>nope, i ran a stackscipt thats spozed to install wordpress, or so i thought
00:24<MajObviousman>GAH MY EYESSSSSS
00:24*MajObviousman has Daevien summarily executed
00:24<Kyhwana>well, check where it was supposed to dump everywhere
00:25<kjb>i am too dumb to understand that
00:27<kjb>i think i see varnish - and maybe not the WP and there is no www dir - so that might explain things
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00:29<kjb>yep, that's the problem, i see a Varnish 503 - and don't know what to do because i have no idea what to do with varnish hah hehe hoho
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00:41<linbot>New news from forum: Who can I pay to help me with a potential malware attack? in General Discussion <>
00:46*EugeneKay twiddles thumbs while reprovisioning 3 12Gb Linodes
00:47<qmr>still funny!
00:49<praetorian>hi fng
00:50*qmr was only fng for 1 week
00:51<Satellite>Dwight Schrute disagrees
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00:58<EugeneKay>I seem to remember it being brought up before, but will Linode de-allocate the public IPs for a node upon request?
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00:58<purrdeta>technical justification I imagine
00:58<purrdeta>I cant recall for sure, but if you can give them good reason, I imagine they will?
00:58<thedude>Installed exim and did a quick test with php mail function. It works but it the sender name it says the apache user. Will it work just by changing the From: header?
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00:59<@akerl>EugeneKay: For what reason would we do such a thing?
00:59<purrdeta>well I dunno, you could ask in a ticket :P
00:59<qmr>thedude: I think you can specify the headers in the mail() function. Be sure to separate headers with \r\n , as per the SMTP standard
00:59<EugeneKay>Because paranoia. The machines in question are purely backend, no reason to talk to the internet(except apt updates.... but I'm competent enough to run that via the gateway / balancer machines anyway)
01:00<@akerl>EugeneKay: So just don't bring up the public IP?
01:00<EugeneKay>We're trying to be nice and let you give somebody else the IPs.
01:01<thedude>I will use a mail library but suddenly i was like wtf but then remembered the from, reply-to stuff goes all in the headers
01:01<@akerl>I'm aware :) And while it's appreciated, it has the potential to cause unpleasantness down the road, which is why I personally wouldn't suggest it. I could certainly ask upstream if it's something we'd do, if you'd like
01:03<@akerl>Done; I can let you know via IRC once they've gotten back to me, or via ticket, whichever you'd prefer
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01:03<EugeneKay>/msg me here is fine
01:03<@akerl>Sounds good
01:04<XReaper>EugeneKay: you sound like a madman :P
01:04<EugeneKay>You should see what I do with the /26 I have from HE
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01:05<@akerl>I imagine your routing is both beatiful and terrifying
01:05<EugeneKay>I've been trying to figure out how to use it up so I can request a /24, so I can fill that up so I can request a /22 from ARIN so I can get an AS#
01:05<EugeneKay>Just so I can piss them off.
01:05<EugeneKay>I wonder if they still have the rule against felons applying for resources
01:06<XReaper>EugeneKay: could always just de-allocate the ipv4 public ips
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01:06<EugeneKay>See above re:be nice
01:06<XReaper>hmm yeah
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01:07<EugeneKay>That's not a bad idea
01:08<XReaper>well the laptop on the bottom of the page didn't like it
01:09<EugeneKay>Related question: what justification is needed to get access to >4 cores?
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01:10<qmr>I thought it was just the "I want to give you money" justification. I'm not certain though.
01:11<XReaper>8 cores per host right?
01:11<EugeneKay>8 physical cores, but they're HTing chips
01:11<XReaper>if we're going by the chips in my host box...
01:11<EugeneKay>Which do you have? L5520?
01:12<@akerl>EugeneKay: Do you have any unicorns to trade?
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01:12<SleePy>I've got a dead mbp.. But no deep frier big enough for it :(
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01:12<XReaper>SleePy: :(
01:12<EugeneKay>akerl - no, but I do have an ASCII art of a pony I got from qriis
01:12<@akerl>(That would be something you'd need to request from the folks with big desks, via ticket)
01:12<@akerl>You can't trade our own pony back to us
01:12<@akerl>No regifting :P
01:12<qmr>So that was you!
01:13<EugeneKay>Which was?
01:13<SleePy>Isn't that a gameboy btw?
01:14<SleePy>Apple != Nintendo
01:15<XReaper>some others that aren't apple tech
01:15<XReaper>go to your local fast food with a frier and lob the mbp into it
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01:16<XReaper>Assuming the xen has HT enabled, we have 2 HT'd cored
01:16<SleePy>I wonder if deep frying it would increase its value?
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01:16<XReaper>I would expect so
01:17<EugeneKay>Well, Xen /ought/ to give you 4 real cores, and only force you onto the HT cores once they're all loaded down
01:17<XReaper>4HT'd cores 2 physical
01:17<SleePy>Its got a bad nvidia card (curse you nvidia)
01:17<EugeneKay>Dynamic core allocation and all that
01:17<EugeneKay>ESXi does it beautifully
01:17<XReaper>they said cpu alloc is dynamic
01:18<XReaper>stop you dossing the host with bitcoin mining... :P
01:18<EugeneKay>Nah, it's real stuff.
01:18*EugeneKay farts in praetorian's drin
01:18<praetorian>i dont have a kdrin
01:19<EugeneKay>How about a liver?
01:19<praetorian>could drink you under the table
01:19<EugeneKay>I'd like to see you try!
01:19<praetorian>just come to australia and see!
01:20<EugeneKay>Which bit
01:20<XReaper>His liver
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01:27<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
01:27<StubbornTurtle>mmmmm bacon
01:27<StubbornTurtle>I just recently came across and was wondering if you guys know of any other sites like it that provide random images by size?
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01:33<qmr>zomg, placekitten ftw
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01:50<Shubuntu>jhhiad;lfkajhey gus I don't seem to be able to log into from my irc chat clients, do you ever have this problem too?
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01:50<Shubuntu>sorry for the typos
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01:52<retro|blah>What makes you say you don't seem to be able to?
01:52<Shubuntu>well i keep getting cannot look up your host name
01:52<retro|blah>What client?
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01:53<dominikh>"your host name"? that's a non-issue and something the IRCd is telling you, so I can't see the problem
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01:53<retro|blah>Oh ha
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01:54<Shubuntu>chat zilla on windows and quassel on linux
01:54<retro|blah>So back to my first question. What makes you say you don't seem to be able to log in to
01:54<retro|blah>There's gotta be something more than "Cannot look up your hostname" in order for this to be worthwhile
01:54<Shubuntu>well i can log into other irc servers
01:54<retro|blah>What other errors do you get?
01:55<praetorian>or messages.
01:56<praetorian>that's coming from the server.
01:56<praetorian>try increasing the connection timeout period.
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01:56<retro|blah>So it's hanging at Checking Ident. How long did you wait before it said "No ident response"?
01:56<praetorian>but at that stage, it should sitll be trying to connect.
01:57<Satellite>Couldn't look up your hostname doesn't matter, it should still connect you
01:57<Satellite>Just give it some time :P
01:58<dominikh>I bet my money on the firewall DROPing connections on the ident port and the ircd timing out after 30 or 60 seconds
01:58<Shubuntu>so have to modify wait time?
01:58<dominikh>and him being impatient enough to give up before that
02:00<Shubuntu>me being impatient?
02:00<Shubuntu>it;s been like that for the past 5 hours
02:00<dominikh>beats me then
02:05<skcin7>Hey guys. Here is an example of the URL used for a picture that was uploaded to Facebook: 370785_660398154_1671380960_q.jpg. It is broken up into 3 numbers and a letter separated by underscores. The second number is the ID that corresponds to the user. The third number is the UNIX timestamp that corresponds to when the picture was uploaded. Any idea what the first number could represent?
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02:08<retro|blah>The answer is to stop connecting to IRC
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02:13<Shubuntu>ok finally fixed it
02:13<Shubuntu>i changed dnses
02:14<retro|blah>I was gonna suggest changing ports next
02:14<retro|blah>Anyway, good deal
02:16<Shubuntu>ok another question, i'm trying to run a few test sites locally. what i do for the time being is kinda tedious, i make a private ip in /etc/interfaces, modify hosts and add the alias for the fake site to that ip, restart networking, then add new ip to ports.conf NamedVirtual, then add the website directive in sites-available, adding the new ip as its listening ip
02:16<Shubuntu>i was wondering if i can do it a bit more efficiently?
02:16<Shubuntu>any suggestions?
02:17<cfedde>if you use "named hosts" you don't need a new IP for each one.
02:17<Shubuntu>so just go add another line to /etc/hosts with the same ip as my base ip?
02:17<Shubuntu>will that work?
02:17<cfedde>another name on the same line
02:18<Shubuntu>on the same line it won't work
02:18<Shubuntu>i've tried
02:18<Shubuntu>it will just go back to the first one
02:18<cfedde>then apache is not configured to use named hosts properly.
02:19<cfedde>Here is the stuff from apache for 2.X
02:21<cfedde>the /etc/hosts file supports a primary name and multiple alises per line.
02:22<Shubuntu>but it will count it only as an alias
02:22<Shubuntu>this is what happens
02:23<Shubuntu>let's say i have a virtualhost for ip called x, then i create another virtualhost for the same ip called y, and put the aliases in the /etc/hosts for both ( i tried for both multiple and same line right now btw)
02:23<Shubuntu>apache will count everyone as X
02:24<Shubuntu>and will return x when you type Y
02:24<cfedde>when you tell your browser to go to y the page for is returned?
02:25<cfedde>the page for x is returned?
02:25<Shubuntu>i think i found the problem
02:26<Peng>fo0bar: ping
02:26<cfedde>the expectation for virtual hosts is to allow multiple websites without a unique IP for each.
02:26<Shubuntu>the problem was default was active
02:27<Shubuntu>i a2dissted it and it's working now
02:27<Shubuntu>default doesn't say ServerName in it's definition
02:27<Shubuntu>so apache counts it as *
02:27<cfedde>yeah that default site thig gets odd. This is ubuntu?
02:28<cfedde>the core apache doc is worth reading at some point.
02:28<cfedde>not now but.. you know.. later... :-)
02:28<Shubuntu>thanks for the link
02:28<Shubuntu>i do read it from time to time
02:28<Shubuntu>but sometimes you can't see something staring you in the face
02:28<Shubuntu>if you know what i mean
02:28<cfedde>there is also a mass virtual host technique that is even easier.
02:29<Shubuntu>do tell
02:29<cfedde>sometimes it's hard to know what to expect.
02:29<cfedde>mod_vhost_alias is the apache module that enables it.
02:30<cfedde>effectivey the name of a directory becomes the name of the virtual servers
02:31<Shubuntu>ok will look it up
02:31<cfedde>if I could spell it would help too.
02:31<Shubuntu>ahh i see
02:31<fo0bar>Peng: hi
02:31<Shubuntu>that's not really what i want though but very interesting
02:31<Shubuntu>will definitely read it
02:32<cfedde>have fun!
02:32<Shubuntu>i might use something like this or similar modes though
02:32<Shubuntu>i was thinking for something like what blogs do
02:32<Peng>fo0bar: Ah... I was hoping you'd take longer to respond. :P ... I mean, good evening! :D
02:32<Shubuntu>like tom.myblog.tld
02:32<Shubuntu>where tom is the name of the folder tom under myblog.tld
02:33<Peng>fo0bar: pm?
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02:35<Shubuntu>ok on another note, does anyone use composer, symfony, doctrine, behat here?
02:35<Satellite>I know some of those words
02:36<Shubuntu>some meaning not all?
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02:38<fo0bar>Peng: ok
02:38<Peng>fo0bar: Eeeeek. I was just typing a joke about you running away (which would have been a wise choice).
02:39<Peng>I was half a second from hitting Enter!
02:39<Shubuntu>evil lurks ...
02:40<Peng>Speaking of lurking evil, I just saw Alien for the first time last week. :D
02:43<EugeneKay>Great film
02:45<Shubuntu>i just watched pirates of sillicon valley
02:46<XReaper>Muting users is part of an ircd isn't it?
02:46<XReaper>like a +m ban
02:46<Peng>I think it depends.
02:46<XReaper>dealing with a vanilla hybrid network
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02:50<XReaper>Just bought a printer... ink costs more than the printer...
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02:51<Peng>Get an intern to type things instead.
02:51<Peng>On a typewriter.
02:52<XReaper>i'd have gotten a laser printer...
02:52<XReaper>it's not for me :P
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03:31<mdcollins_>Omg, just disconnected my working pc. Plugged it back in to a busted psu..
03:31<mdcollins_>Yeah, bad timing with the move coming up.
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03:32<mdcollins_>May just be out a pc until i get moved in.
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03:32<chesty>why would you plug it into a busted psu?
03:33<mdcollins_>I plugged it back into the wall and the psu was busted.
03:33<chesty>well there's your problem, a wall has no power
03:34<@Praefectus>silly person, everyone knows walls don't have power
03:34<mdcollins_>The wall electrical socket.
03:35<chesty>oh, sorry, i get it now
03:35<mdcollins_>I feel like you may have known all along :-p
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03:39<mdcollins_>So the lesson learned is to always plug a computer into a powered off surge protector with psu switch off..
03:40<mdcollins_>Damn me for being tired and not doing it correctly.
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03:52<qmr>when are you leaving?
03:54<linbot>New news from forum: Have you had recent downtime issues too? (7x in 1 week, NJ) in General Discussion <>
03:57<Satellite>^ that's not me, I swear
03:57<Satellite>although I have had the same exact circumstances
03:57<Satellite>moving from 490 to 476
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04:15<genku>i'll miss you, linode
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04:16<Peng>Spectacularly bad luck to get on two bad servers in a row, eh?
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04:18<cornishpasty>Sounds like Newark is a bit crap
04:18<Peng>No it doesn't.
04:19<genku>cool story bro and i'm going to let you finish, but linode has the best servers of all time, of all time.
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04:29*heckman has had no problems personally in Newark
04:30<Satellite>yep Peng
04:30<Satellite>well, 476 has only gone down once
04:30<@heckman>Anywho, sleep time. Flight(s) back to NJ tomorrow. :|
04:30<Satellite>but I've only been on it a day
04:30<@heckman>I did win an iPad at the Conference, so yay me.
04:30*cornishpasty has personally had no problems with Newark
04:30<cornishpasty>heckman: Conference?
04:30*Peng has personally had no problems in Newark.
04:30*Peng doesn't use Newark.
04:30<@heckman>We were just at Velocity 2012
04:30*cornishpasty has personally not used Newark
04:30<cornishpasty>Peng: :D
04:31<cornishpasty>heckman: for some reason, the only conference I could think of was I/O... I was wondering about the iPad :P
04:31<@heckman>I wish I could have gone to I/O
04:31<cornishpasty>I don't
04:31<@heckman>But I'll take a free iPad
04:31<cornishpasty>WWDC for me :P
04:31<Peng>I did use Newark for about an hour, once. I was testing something. Caused a lot of kernel panics. No hardware failures, though! :P
04:31*heckman wouldn't use iOS for his phone
04:31<cornishpasty>Why not?
04:31<@heckman>Can't do what I want with it.
04:32*cornishpasty uses iOS REDACTED
04:32<cornishpasty>NDA :P
04:32<@heckman>I'll take # any day of the week
04:32<cornishpasty>What do you really need it for?
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04:32<@heckman>Using applications that require low-level access to the system?
04:33<cornishpasty>What application requires low-level system access?
04:33<@heckman>(The kind of access you will never be able to get with iOS without fudging around hacking on stuff)
04:33<KyleXY>Tethering for one? heh
04:33<amitz>ENTERPRISE applications
04:33<KyleXY>Without having to pay more then oyu already fucking do.
04:33<@heckman>Bypassing my carrier's limitations on tethering.
04:33*KyleXY hit the bullseye.
04:34<@heckman>Other cool applications that I use, such as being able to scale CPU (even overclock) if I need more Ghz
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04:34<Satellite>Overclocking your cell phone? lol
04:34<@heckman>Or, I could just set a manual governor in the app as well and slam the CPU down to low speeds to save power if needed.
04:34<@heckman>Satellite: I have a dual core CPU, why not?
04:35<@heckman>Lastly, if I don't like the UX I am getting...I can wipe the damn thing and load a new ROM on there.
04:35<@heckman>cornishpasty: how many ROMs are available for iO-- oh wait.
04:35<cornishpasty>heckman: I like using my phone as a phone
04:35<cornishpasty>Not having to fiddle with it every 5 seconds
04:35<cornishpasty>Which is why I ditched my Nexus One, and only use Linux for servers
04:35<@heckman>Then you need a Nokia from 1998
04:35*cornishpasty realises he's gonna get shunned in a channel from Linux
04:36<cornishpasty>heckman: I also like using digital networks, most 1990s nokia phones are analogue
04:36*cornishpasty has a Nokia 2110
04:37<@heckman>I think the Nokia 1110 would fit your needs perfectly. :P
04:37<Solver>"nice piece of kit" as the swat guys used to say
04:38<cornishpasty>I so wanted one of these when I saw the Matrix:
04:38<cornishpasty>But yeah, I like having Linode manager, and a web browser, and SSH, and 3G on my phone
04:39<Solver>yeah 'tis cool
04:39<@heckman>Anywho. Flight in a few hours, so I need to catch some Zs. See you guys later. o/
04:39<Solver>of course sshing from the phone is a last resotr :)
04:39<cornishpasty>heckman: I never could find a ROM/theme that looked nice on Android
04:39<cornishpasty>Solver: yup :P
04:39<@heckman>cornishpasty: AOSP
04:40<cornishpasty>heckman: "that looked nice"
04:40<KyleXY>heckman: but, flight, you can sleep on the plane :p
04:40<cornishpasty>heckman: it's 9:40am!
04:40<KyleXY>cornishpasty: AOSP looks perfectly fine.
04:40<@heckman>ICS is beautiful
04:40<@heckman>ICS/Jelly bean
04:40<chesty>how do you tell if a person doesn't have a smart phone? no need, they will tell you every five minutes
04:40<cornishpasty>chesty: hahaha
04:41<@heckman>KyleXY: no can do, I'm the one driving from airport back to Galloway
04:41*heckman &
04:42<cornishpasty>heckman: and Dumfries?
04:43<cornishpasty>Oh, *another* US town named after a UK place
04:43<cornishpasty>I didn't realise we had so many place names!
04:43<Solver>oh I assumed Ireland also
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04:43<KyleXY>He was just talking about a plane flight from CA to NJ, Derp?
04:43<cornishpasty>Solver: it's Scotland
04:44<Solver>cornishpasty: rotfl. glad I wasn't trying to get there :)
04:44<cornishpasty>It's not my fault the US stole all our place names, KyleXY
04:44<KyleXY>cornishpasty: it's your fault for not following the conversation though!
04:45<Solver>cornishpasty: Australia and Canada also. probably also New Zealand (esp for Scotish named)
04:45*Solver is on a bus! :)
04:45<cornishpasty>Canada is awesome, they can use our place names, since we borrowed one of theirs and used it for a council estate :(
04:45<cornishpasty>A really small council estate
04:46<Solver>cornishpasty: which one?
04:46<cornishpasty>Solver: Toronto, Bishop Auckland
04:46<Solver>hahah nice
04:47<XReaper>Did anyone see 'Tomorrow, When the war began' ?
04:47<Solver>there is also a Toronto in Australia
04:47<+jchen>haha i read that as tornado
04:47<XReaper>,_New_South_Wales <-- my town
04:48<Solver>jchen: :)
04:48<XReaper>jchen: yes, we do have twisters in Australia
04:48<XReaper>small ones
04:48<+jchen>are they upside down
04:48<Solver>the way toronto got named is kind of interesting. the name migrated. the one in Canada, I mean
04:49<cornishpasty>Solver: It comes from the native doesn't it?
04:49<KyleXY>jchen++ hahah
04:49<cornishpasty> is my town :P
04:49<Solver>true but it start6ed out as the name of a lake and then kind of moved :)
04:49<Solver>cornishpasty: sorry 'Canada' is originally from 'Canata'
04:49<XReaper>jchen: harharhar
04:50<Solver>anyway I thoughtit was cute how the name Toronto kept moving south until they finally renamed the original lake Toronto
04:51<cornishpasty>The original lake is Lake Simcoe, Solver
04:51<Solver>now known as Lake Simcoe
04:52<Solver>anyway time to off bus
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05:26<internat>stupid question, anyone know a way of generating a dump tcp/packet dump thats like what microsoft network monitor produces?
05:35<cornishpasty>internat: do you mean tcpdump?
05:36<XReaper>Solver: you offed a bus? that's a little excessive
05:37<XReaper>What did the poor bus do to you?
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05:38<+dwfreed>internat: I'm guessing you want to dump traffic to/from your Linode, and then inspect it on your windows computer?
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05:41<internat>that was the plan
05:42<internat>otherwise wireshark+xming will work
05:43<+dwfreed>internat: tcpdump -w file.pcap; grab file.pcap via SFTP and save on windows computer; open file.pcap in Wireshark; inspect all the things
05:46<internat>oop perdy
05:47<sirpengi>bah HE
05:49<Peng>sirpengi: ?
05:49<Solver>XReaper: :)
05:50<sirpengi>Peng: I'm getting packet loss to fremont
05:50<sirpengi>ahh, looks like it's going away for now
05:51<XReaper>Solver: you're a monster for offing a poor defenseless bus
05:51<XReaper>unless it ran over your family...
05:52<Solver>no such thing, they are all evil!
05:52<XReaper>then it's justified
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05:52<+dwfreed>buses are anything but defenseless
05:52<sirpengi>oh no, it's just dropping a quarter of packets rather than half of them
05:52<Solver>evil tell you :)
05:53<Peng>sirpengi: Pfft, a quarter of your packets? That's what TCP is for. :)
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05:54<Solver>love him or hate him, Julian assange is going to make a great mini series one day
05:54*XReaper farted
05:54<XReaper>HE's an awesome aussie
05:55<XReaper>We make all types!
05:55<Solver>indeed :)
05:56<XReaper>Rapists, paedophiles, maniacs, serial killers, mass murderers. All types :D
05:56<Peng>Internet censors.
05:56<Solver>clueless senators
05:57<XReaper>asshole redhead pm's
06:00<Kyh_>hmm, still nothing from @s7ephen about his "rumoured ssh exploit"
06:02<Peng>You'll find it in your homedir tomorrow.
06:02<HoopyCat> .... did dora just drop the two bottles of wine she was holding in frame 3?
06:03<HoopyCat>that's gonna bug me all day
06:04<@akerl>also <3 QC
06:04<@akerl>her hair + the picture also bothers me
06:04<Solver>ssh 'sploit! ssh 'sploit!
06:04*Solver runs around the channel waving his arms in the air
06:04<Peng>I think there was a few-second time skip while she set them down, but yeah, it's kind of an awkward jump cut.
06:07<internat>much love to qc
06:07<HoopyCat>akerl: oddly, it's going to bug me all day until i start getting bugged all day about UTC vs GPS time, so yes, a few seconds of time skip is fine too
06:07<internat>i hadnt thought about the wine bottles. now youve made it bother me :(
06:08<internat>that said. tai was sitting down
06:08<internat>and now shes standing so.
06:08<@akerl>they've actually already drank the wine
06:08<Peng>internat: Ah, good catch.
06:09<Peng>akerl: Unlikely. Marten's drink is the same.
06:09<HoopyCat>Peng: more evidence in favor of it, actually; if there'd been more than a moment's gap between the two frames, marten's waterline would have gone down
06:09<internat>maybe he refilled it from the wine
06:10<HoopyCat>Peng: no time to get out the glasses; they just went straight from the bottle
06:10<Peng>HoopyCat: So, what about UTC and GPS time?
06:12<HoopyCat>Peng: oh, i have to correlate two different sets of logs to within a second, and one of them is probably UTC and the other is quite possibly GPST
06:14<HoopyCat>Peng: bonus difficulty: there was a test run yesterday, and there will be a test run next tuesday
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06:21<cornishpasty>HoopyCat: brilliant
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06:29<Solver>HoopyCat: hahah
06:31<HoopyCat>and in other local news, the (now-retired bus monitor) karen klein fundraiser raised $19,830 for the credit card processors, which is well in excess of the initial $5,000 goal. hooray!
06:31<XReaper><3 that australia is getting an R rating for games now
06:31<HoopyCat>XReaper: for pirated games?
06:32<HoopyCat>for pirated adult games?
06:32<XReaper>L4D2 had to be censored to fit the maximum rating
06:32<XReaper>WHY PIRATED?
06:33<Solver>HoopyCat: previously australia had no such category and as a result some games were blocked from sale there
06:33<HoopyCat>Solver: arrrr, he's missin' the joke
06:33<Solver>or so I understand it. I care not for such games
06:33<XReaper>L4D2 is censored to the point it's unplayable
06:33<Solver>HoopyCat: :)
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06:34<HoopyCat>and why do games need categories like that anyway? we're perfectly fine here with "violent human deaths", "violent non-human deaths", "violent human and non-human deaths", and "things to buy your grandmother"
06:35<XReaper>Lot's of games never got to sell in Australia
06:35<HoopyCat>who is lot?
06:36<HoopyCat>same one from the bible? what of his games?
06:36<XReaper>misuse of '
06:36<XReaper>meh didn't intend on the possesive
06:36<XReaper>And what was the pirate reference? :P
06:36<HoopyCat>speaking of amusingly-named bible characters, off to the job
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06:50<Solver>wrong window :)
06:50<XReaper>i... ?
06:50<Solver>df -H
06:50<Solver>I missed
06:50<XReaper>df -h
06:50<XReaper>Human Readable :D
06:50<Solver>-H is different - considering switching :)
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06:51<XReaper>the numbers GREW
06:52<XReaper>which one is 1024
06:52<+jchen>screw counting in base 10
06:52<XReaper>I prefer proper units
06:52<Solver>HDD vendors use 1000 so -H is arguably closer to advertised capacity
06:52<XReaper>GiB and MiB
06:53<XReaper>Linode advertise the -h one
06:53<Kyh_>megabytes is 1000, mibibytes is 1024
06:54<Solver>oh wow a 4 Tib drive!
06:54<Solver>doesn't sound right :)
06:54<vod`work> 4 t bits?
06:54*dwfreed notes the lowercase 'b'
06:54<hawk>Solver: It probably isn't, it's probably a 4 TB drive
06:54<XReaper>Kyh_: but we refer to megabytes as 1024 for some odd reason
06:54<+dwfreed>XReaper: because we like powers of 2
06:54<Solver>hawk: actually yeah, HDD are in TB
06:55<Solver>ok this system has 16GiBs of ram! wow
06:55<Solver>still doesn't sound right :)
06:56<hawk>It sounds right when you look at the numbers :P
06:57<Solver>non-IT types will look at you funny :)
06:57<cornishpasty>they do anyway
06:58<cornishpasty>woah, rain
06:58<Solver>yeah same here.. been raining all week
06:59<cornishpasty>This is like that PS3 game, Heavy Rain
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07:27<XReaper>totp is tha shit
07:28*akerl desyncs the clock on XReaper's server
07:29<praetorian>akerl: what else can you do to him
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07:29<Kyh>wtf fail
07:30<Kyh>who the fuck doesn't do ipv6 when you have ipv6 now?
07:30<XReaper>Um... I have ipv6?
07:30<Kyh>no goddamn excuses
07:30<Kyh>bitvise tunnellier doesn't do ipv6. It's a ssh client. IPv6? hahaha no.
07:31<praetorian>anyone got a spare $1500?
07:32<XReaper>yes why?
07:32<XReaper>And by spare...
07:32<XReaper>that's all i have
07:33<praetorian>Google announces Google Glass Explorer Edition, $1,500 pre-order shipping next year
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07:35<XReaper>i bought a g nexus ,most i'll spend on google hardware
07:35<praetorian>i was hoping there was going to be a new phone this year
07:35<praetorian>seems not..
07:35<praetorian>so i have no idea what i will be upgrading to
07:36<XReaper>s3 is overrated
07:36<XReaper>if all you want is a phone
07:36<praetorian>i like the s3, but something about it.. doesnt make me like it
07:36*Solver has a galaxy s (one S) and continue to be happy with it
07:37<XReaper>I have the nexus
07:37<XReaper>same screen tech as the s3
07:37<praetorian>i have a SGS it was good
07:37<praetorian>then i lost it.. and got my SGS2
07:37<praetorian>which is great
07:37<XReaper>same RESOLITION
07:37<praetorian>.z 9
07:37<XReaper>didn't they make 50 million variations of the s2?
07:38<praetorian>maybe 3-4
07:38<Kyh>XReaper: nah, that's the S3
07:38<XReaper>S3 asplodes
07:39<XReaper>Oh yeah, the one that asploded was using aftermarket charging equip :/
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07:55<Bartzy>Network issues in Fremont ?
07:56<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
07:59<Kyh>hmm, what kind of issue are you seeing? just packet loss?
07:59<Bartzy>I don't know if it's just for me
07:59<Bartzy>but seems like there's an issue with HE
07:59<Kyh>hmm.. i'd suggest filing a ticket, then
07:59<Bartzy>can you check for packet loss ?
07:59<XReaper>Bartzy: HE is da bomb
07:59<XReaper>they have the worst ipv4 peering known to man
08:00<Kyh>hmm, no packet loss from here
08:00<XReaper>mind, all their peering it in the US
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08:00<Peng>XReaper: But that doesn't have anyhing to do with anything.
08:01<XReaper>course not
08:01<XReaper>HE hates the world
08:01<XReaper>that my problem?
08:02<Bartzy>so anyone else is getting packetl oss ?
08:03<XReaper>i'm getting oss
08:03<XReaper>no loss
08:04<XReaper>i probably shouldn't (ab)use the -f flag on ping though :P
08:04<XReaper>9 hops...
08:05<XReaper>KDDI has awesome peering
08:05<Bartzy>who is KDDI
08:05<XReaper>That's who linode uses in tokyo
08:05<Bartzy>why traceroute gives me asterisks and mtr provides the entire route ?
08:05<XReaper>mtr keeps at it
08:05<XReaper>traceroute gives up easily
08:05<Bartzy>meaning ?
08:06<Bartzy>so mtr is bettah :p
08:06<trippeh>most traceroute implementations use UDP by default, which is often filtered.
08:06<trippeh>Try "traceroute -I <host>"
08:06<XReaper>mtr is tcp?
08:07<XReaper>or ICMP
08:07<trippeh>ICMP i guess
08:07<hawk>Yeah, I guess icmp echo
08:08<Bartzy>UDP how, which port ?
08:08<Bartzy>Why would a router return anything to a UDP packet..
08:08<trippeh>The traceroute here supports udp, tcp and icmp :P
08:08<hawk>Bartzy: The whole point of traceroute is setting a TTL that will result in an error to find each hop
08:08<trippeh>Bartzy: traceroute works by fudging the TTL value of packet, so the last allowed hop has to respond with some icmp error
08:09<Bartzy>Ah, so it doesn't matter what kind is used.. but UDP is often filtered so that's why it's bad ?
08:09<hawk>Bartzy: Sometimes it's bad, sometimes it's good
08:09<Bartzy>When is it good ?
08:09<hawk>Bartzy: mtr also has the option to use udp, for instance
08:09<trippeh>When one doesnt work, try another ;)
08:09<hawk>Bartzy: When icmp echo is filtered but udp is not?
08:09<Bartzy>but what port it tries ? It doesn't matter, because it doesn't reach that ?
08:10<hawk>Bartzy: It doesn't really matter to the functionality of traceroute but I suppose it could matter wrt firewalls
08:12<Bartzy>cool, thanks!
08:16<Bartzy>Anyone might know why my php processes sometime stuck and strace shows:
08:16<Bartzy>poll([{fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 0 (Timeout)
08:16<Bartzy>full 4 lines:
08:16<Bartzy>clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {768618, 940967711}) = 0
08:16<Bartzy>clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {768618, 941079020}) = 0
08:16<Bartzy>clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {768618, 941197020}) = 0
08:16<Bartzy>poll([{fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 1000) = 0 (Timeout)
08:16<Bartzy>poll([{fd=11, events=POLLIN|POLLPRI}], 1, 0) = 0 (Timeout)
08:16<Bartzy>5 lines :D
08:17<linbot>Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here:
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08:33<Bartzy>OK - weird
08:33<Bartzy>I have PHP processes that get stuck
08:33<Bartzy>I straced one of them
08:33<Bartzy>one got the thing above
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08:34<Bartzy>fd 11 in that straced process led me to /proc/PID/fd/, which had:
08:34<Bartzy>11 -> socket:[93587336]
08:34<Bartzy>And lsof -p PID | grep 93587336
08:34<Bartzy>led me to:
08:34<Bartzy>php5-fpm 24012 www-data 11u IPv6 93587336 0t0 TCP [2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:d224]:21665->[2600:807:320:305::3f6e:f632]:www (ESTABLISHED)
08:34<Bartzy>Why is IPv6 traffic going to the HTTP port here? How can I know who is that IPv6 source IP ?
08:36<XReaper>2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:d224 is a linode ip
08:37<XReaper>other appears to be verizon business :P
08:37<+dwfreed>your php script is connecting to a remote server
08:38<praetorian>on dub dub dub
08:38<XReaper>wub wub wub
08:38*XReaper makes mi goreng
08:38<praetorian>uni student.
08:40<XReaper>howd you know?
08:42<Bartzy>how can I know what server is it ?>
08:43<Bartzy>It's my linode
08:43<Bartzy>and how can I tell 2600:807:320:305::3f6e:f632 ?
08:43<Bartzy>And why is it even using IPv6 ?
08:43<+dwfreed>It's Akamai
08:44<+dwfreed>Akamai Technologies, Inc. TBD (NET6-2600-807-320-1) 2600:807:320:: - 2600:807:320:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF:FFFF
08:44<hawk>Bartzy: Why wouldn't it be using ipv6?
08:45<Bartzy>Because I don't want it to ?
08:45<Bartzy>Can I somehow get further info about this IP ?
08:45<Bartzy>dwfreed: How did you get that info ?
08:45<+dwfreed>Bartzy: whois 2600:807:320:305::3f6e:f632
08:45<cornishpasty>holy crap are ipv6 rdns entries the worst ever?
08:46<Bartzy>and there is any rdns entries for ipv6 ?
08:46<cornishpasty>Bartzy: IN PTR
08:46<hawk>Bartzy: In general yes, in this particular case not so much
08:46<+dwfreed>also, the mtr is weird as eff; it actually bounces through an IPv4 address (unless I'm reading this wrong)
08:46<KyleXY>dwfreed: go to bed nao
08:47<Bartzy>Hmm... So I have no idea why my php processes get stuck
08:47<Bartzy>it is of course intermittent...
08:47<hawk>Bartzy: If you have code that makes http calls inline each time it executes that sounds like a recipe for disaster
08:48<hawk>Bartzy: (That is one possible interpretation of what you have shown)
08:48<Bartzy>hawk: What you just described is a regular web app calling an external API...
08:50<hawk>Ok, so you are making calls to an API hosted at 2600:807:320:305::3f6e:f632?
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08:51<Peng>Bartzy: Yes, and regular web apps calling external APIs like that is a recipe for disaster.
08:51<Bartzy>hawk: I have no idea about the address.
08:51<Peng>Bartzy: Just because something is common doesn't mean it's a good idea.
08:51<Bartzy>Peng: Well, sometimes it's a must.
08:51<Bartzy>i.e. a Facebook app
08:52<Bartzy>Well, no API calls in the script that is stuck.
08:52<Bartzy>But there is a JPG download. of a Facebook photo
08:53<Bartzy>which are hosted @ Akamai... so that's a good bet
08:53<Bartzy>Why would that stuck
08:53<hawk>Bartzy: Because the tubes are clogged or some issue at the other end, possibly?
08:54<Peng>Bartzy: Why would a web app download a photo from Facebook?
08:55<Bartzy>Peng: It's a facebook app that creates effects for users :)
08:55<hawk>ooh, lens flares
08:55<Bartzy>pretty stuff
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08:56<Bartzy>I wonder if my curl version (which I'm using to download the image) is somehow at fault
08:56<Peng>Bartzy: [[SincerityMode Oh wow. You have an actual justification for a web app downloading photos from Facebook. I'm impressed.]]
08:57<Peng>Incidentally, Facebook switched on IPv6 about a month ago.
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08:58<Bartzy>I wonder if all photos are hosted on ipv6 enabled servers on facebook's akamai CDN
08:58<Bartzy>or just some
08:58<Peng>All, I would bet.
08:58<XReaper>would be all
08:58<Peng>Facebook and Akamai take IPv6 pretty seriously.
08:59<cornishpasty>Peng: really?
08:59<cornishpasty>Facebook's IPv6 addresses have face:b00c in them, I think that's kinda cool :P
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09:00<linbot>New news from forum: Suggestions on Firewall settings on CENTOS 5.6 64-bit in Linux Networking <>
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09:01<hawk>how retro
09:01<XReaper>cornishpasty: that's pretty serious
09:02<staticsafe>-_- graviton is failing at doing rdns
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09:02<cornishpasty>XReaper: It's obviously just some fun they had :P
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09:02<XReaper>What the fuck facebook... NO AUSTRALIAN SERVERS?
09:02<XReaper>No bloody wonder it's so slow
09:03<hawk>No big loss
09:03<XReaper>270ms pings :/
09:03<XReaper>guess it doesn't matter much :P
09:03<Peng>XReaper: What, Facebook itself, or Akamai?
09:04<XReaper>Akamai have servers in australia
09:04<+jchen>what are you talking about... australia doesn't have servers
09:04<XReaper>jchen: diaf :P
09:04<Peng>XReaper: Facebook's US-centric hosting is interesting, given their international usage.
09:04<Peng>and budget
09:05<XReaper>Well, the entire site loads off of akamai content wise
09:05<XReaper>i get 23ms pings to google
09:05<Peng>Did you hear, Amazon recently added an Australia PoP to their CloudFront CDN. It's not even their most expensive, either.
09:05<cornishpasty>XReaper: Nobody lives in Australia
09:06<Peng>'bout the same price as Japan. Cheaper than Hong Kong and Brazil, I think.
09:06<Katana>staticsafe: har har
09:06<XReaper>cornishpasty: diaf
09:06<staticsafe>Katana: DIE
09:07<Katana>staticsafe: Not authorized
09:07<hawk>cornishpasty: Only convicts, right?
09:07<cornishpasty>hawk: indeed
09:07<XReaper>Um... did jchen actually diaf :O
09:07<XReaper>he never responded :(
09:07<rnowak>diaf or spend time reading more what you write? tough choice
09:07<XReaper>I know which you'd choose
09:07<XReaper>neither :/
09:08<Katana>rnowak: you have windows nearby, right? ones that open?
09:08<rnowak>Katana: check
09:08<Katana>okay, might be safe to continue inhabiting the channel then
09:08<staticsafe>well ill brb hopefully the oftc dns puts me on different server
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09:08<XReaper>staticsafe: if you keep trying it tends to shift you
09:09<staticsafe>mwalling: plz2fix graviton kthx
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09:09*Peng talks about staticsafe behind their back.
09:09<Katana>staticsafe-irccloud: NOOB
09:09<XReaper>staticsafe-irccloud: harharhar
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09:09<Katana>staticsafe: NOOB AGAIN
09:09<Katana>also lul
09:10<XReaper>staticsafe: fail
09:10<XReaper>Does it include a CNAME?
09:10<staticsafe>XReaper: no
09:10<staticsafe>it works fine on every other server I'm on so I blame OFTC
09:10<Katana>in soviet internet, oftc blame you!
09:11<XReaper>staticsafe: is that ipv6 ip supposed to have an rdns?
09:11<+jchen>staticsafe: rdns on oftc is slow
09:11<+jchen>i think it's cached on most servers (?)
09:11<staticsafe>XReaper: dig -x it for yourself
09:12<XReaper>ping6ing it didn't yeild anything :P
09:12<Katana>jchen: it's worked on other boxes for a while
09:12<Peng>XReaper: Way to choose the right tool for hte job?
09:12<XReaper>Peng: naaa
09:13<Peng>staticsafe: Pssst, connect over IPv4.
09:13<Katana>XReaper: Here's your sign.
09:13<Peng>staticsafe: You know you want tooooo
09:13*staticsafe slaps Peng around a bit with the IE6 binary
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09:13<XReaper>host did resolve it to domain name pointer
09:14<staticsafe>yes as it has been for months
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09:20<trippeh>Oh hai, home cable isp is turning on native v6 now
09:20<staticsafe>trippeh: congrats
09:21<Peng>I wonder if my home cable ISP has turned on FCrDNS yet.
09:21<linbot>Peng: The query name does not exist.
09:21<trippeh>They've been teasing me by sending fake v6 route advisements for months already
09:22<trippeh>router even
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09:23<@irgeek>Fake router advertisements?
09:23<trippeh>"fake", they only announce a prefix, and set managed flag but not responding to dhcpv6
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09:51<jcy>that pyro vid wasn't very good. it's probably the weakest vid they've put out. which saddens me since i played a lot of pyro
09:53<hawk>!wx essb
09:53<linbot>hawk: [metar] OBS at ESSB: 66.2F/19C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 11.51 mph (altimeter: 29.854812813) [ESSB 281320Z 30010KT 250V340 CAVOK 19/05 Q1011]
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09:57<cornishpasty>wx eh?
09:57<cornishpasty>!wx egcc
09:57<linbot>cornishpasty: [metar] OBS at EGCC: 75.2F/24C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 16.11 mph (altimeter: 29.500453017) [EGCC 281320Z 16014KT 130V200 9999 SCT021 24/18 Q0999]
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10:02<XReaper>YAY cornishpasty <-- NOT ENOUGH CAPS LOCK
10:03-!-cornishpasty is now known as CORNISHPASTY
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10:03<XReaper>YAY :D
10:04<cck>hi there
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10:04<CORNISHPASTY>There should be a !seriousmode that mutes us lot :P
10:04-!-CORNISHPASTY is now known as CornishPasty
10:04<XReaper>Heh lol
10:05<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:05<CornishPasty>I like trying to break mikegrb with cake bacon lol
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10:09<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:09<Solver>Yes I tried saying cake and bacon at once too
10:09<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:09<Solver>clearly bacon has precedence over cake
10:09<CornishPasty>Since bake is just silly
10:10<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:10<CornishPasty>I think bacon has precedence over cake and lol
10:10<Solver>sleep! which involves neither cake or bacon
10:10<Solver>oh did we hit a bacon limit?
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10:32<XReaper>Solver: multiple triggers in one line won't work
10:33<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:33<XReaper>Cake Bacon
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10:36<KyleXY>jcy: you have no sense of using the same nick everywhere do you? .-.
10:36<KyleXY>jchen: ^^
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10:44<XReaper>Seen jchen on freenode
10:45<KyleXY>XReaper: he's using a weird nick :p
10:45<KyleXY>XReaper: 14:35 [freenode] -!- CatsBacon[F][10] []
10:46<XReaper>It was jchen at one point
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10:50<kjb>hello everyone
10:51<Katana>Hi Doctor Nick!
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10:56<kjb>I must be doing something wrong with StackScripts. I deploy, it looks OK, but my site will not resolve. I put an A Record in my DNS Manager, but still nadda. I must be missing something obvious.... Do I need to run through setting hostname and all that jazz?
10:57<rnowak>what's the domain?
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10:57<kjb>well everything else is running at where i have a few domains. this script is being run on a new linode with it's own IP addy
10:58<rnowak>what [sub]domain should be pointing to it?
10:58<kjb>so I was just pointing the A Record for 'darn' to that IP
10:58<kjb>so I thought that would give me
10:59<kjb>yes thanks caker
10:59<hawk>If that is the IP address you intended it seems to be resolving just fine...?
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10:59<rnowak>there's no webserver listening on that IP on port 80
11:00<@caker>you deployed and booted plain Debian - not from a StackScript
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11:00<Volstvok>Do you guys know of any good open-source or free helpdesk systems?
11:00<kjb>oooooooops, i did that late last night after deploying others full sets and completely forgot. Doh1 Sorry everyone.
11:01<kjb>Im getting too old to work after midnight
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11:01<rnowak>weak mortal
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11:02<CornishPasty>Is linbot open source? :P
11:02<KyleXY>CornishPasty: it's a supybot
11:02<KyleXY>with a tonnnnnnn of aliases
11:02<KyleXY>!help dns
11:02<linbot>KyleXY: (dns <host|ip>) -- Returns the ip of <host> or the reverse DNS hostname of <ip>.
11:02<CornishPasty>KyleXY: ah right
11:02<KyleXY>!help dig
11:02<linbot>KyleXY: (dig <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1&type=@1".
11:03<kjb>Volstovok We run OSTicket and it serves our needs OK
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11:07<Volstvok>kjb: I looked at OSTicket. Will it work as an internal help desk where only registered users can access it?
11:08<kjb>We didn't try that
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11:08<jcy>i'd want something that hooks into active directory
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11:11<kjb>OS Ticket is quite oriented toward email submissions. send and email to and that generates a ticket. If you wish to remain private you'd somehow need to defeat that for unregistered users... right?
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11:17<purrdeta>dear god. this financial institution has a max character limit of 8 and no special characters in their passwords :/
11:18<Cromulent>wow - cancel your account pronto
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11:21<purrdeta>I sent them a fairly angry email. Doubt it will change though
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11:22<purrdeta>I discovered this because I wanted to use a sentence as my password. Alas, 8 characters is not enough for what I was thinking :P
11:24<staticsafe>A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
11:24<staticsafe>nice job
11:27<jcy>what bank is it
11:29<purrdeta>Only a large investment corporation, Charles Scwab Corp.
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11:34<kjb>can anyone see ???
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11:34<staticsafe>nope kjb
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11:39<kjb>maybe if I reboot it will magically heal :)
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11:41<kjb>w00t now i at least get a 503 error
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11:44<linbot>New news from forum: Who can I pay to help me with a potential malware attack? in General Discussion <>
11:46<hommebarbu>Has anybody had their server hang on boot at "NX-protecting the kernel data" before?
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11:46<kjb>Linode needs to write a short blurb called StackScripts for Dummies: the next step. It could tell dummies like me what to do after they have successfully run a stackscript to make it 'go live'. Please allow me to help with the first sentence,... Create an A/AAAA record. There. That's my contribution. After that, I haven't a clue. Like I said, I'm a Dummy
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11:50<amitz>purrdeta: i thought with charles schwab you don't even need to remember your password, they will remember your password for you ;-)
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11:52<amitz>oh wait, i misremembered, never mind.
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12:00<superdug>plz2bno more emergency maintenance kthxbye
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12:02<purrdeta>hmm they replied to my email with some stats and some info on their security practices. I still think it is outrageous to have a limit, but they offer a free multi-factor thingy
12:04<amitz>purrdeta: oh nice, just take it?
12:04<purrdeta> < that
12:05<purrdeta>along with 3 tries before a lockout and such. Anyway, I'm going to get the multi-factor thing :P
12:05<rnowak>purrdeta: we don't even have passwords here
12:05<purrdeta>rnowak: oh?
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12:05<rnowak>purrdeta: hardware security token using challenge/response, with the secret being kept on our credit card (you insert the card into it)
12:05<purrdeta>I wish we did shit like that. But alas, no.
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12:08<purrdeta>It is a shame I have such a hard time remembering passwords :/
12:08<purrdeta>I manage I suppose.
12:08<rnowak>that's why they invented post-its (:
12:08<Satellite>that's why my password is 'password'
12:09<Katana>purrdeta: i can remember them for you
12:09<purrdeta>lol :)
12:09<purrdeta>Ok Katana, my paswords for all sites I log in to is "CatsAreAwesum"
12:09<purrdeta>oh I'm sure I used hunter2 as well
12:10<Katana>so what are your passwords then
12:10<Katana>i'm not offering to remember paswords
12:10<Cromulent>the sooner flash dies the better :|
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12:55*MajObviousman changes SpaceHobo's password
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13:03<Whiskey`Wonka>I think I am missing something obvious with stackscripts. Namely, how do you add one with out just copy and pasting? It seams like there should be a 'i want to use this' button or action when looking at other peoples scripts (and they say its ok)
13:04<Whiskey`Wonka>also, how to use 2 or more on a single deployment?
13:04<kjb>Hey Whiskey'Wonka I was just kvetching about a very similar thing
13:04<Whiskey`Wonka>kjb: ah great minds ...
13:04<purrdeta>You can "just use this"...
13:04<purrdeta>At least I have before. I've never copy pasted a script
13:05<kjb>I said :: <quote>Linode needs to write a short blurb called StackScripts for Dummies: the next step. It could tell dummies like me what to do after they have successfully run a stackscript to make it 'go live'. Please allow me to help with the first sentence,... Create an A/AAAA record. There. That's my contribution. After that, I haven't a clue. Like I said, I'm a Dummy</quote>
13:06<CornishPasty>lol cake
13:07<rnowak>reading is hard
13:07<Whiskey`Wonka>no, its not, but there is something missing someplace
13:09<kjb>I think my basic problem, other than being a dummy,.. and other than not having deployed and set something up for a while, which means I've forgotten a lot - but with the standard install there are steps, steps to take for hostname, etc all written out in a handy Linode Library article - but for a TSackScript ... Do I go back in and take all those steps? Won't they override some things which have seemingly been handled by teh scri
13:09<kjb>pt, etc etc etc
13:10<rnowak>if you don't know what the stackscripts do, you shouldn't use them. They are, fwiw, glorified shell scripts with added features like includes and user-defined fields replacement. You should at least study what they do before using them.
13:10<Whiskey`Wonka>what my issue is, hafter having read , and having read the scripts listed there, is that they do not say HOW to use them
13:10<kjb>believe me, if I get this all completely figured out, and if there is something I can definitively say which may be helpful to the community in general, then community here, I will be happy to contribute to an article for teh library
13:11<kjb>rnowak you are incomplete. some scripts install WrodPress on nginx
13:11<Cromulent>if you want an alternative to using stack scripts you can use something like Fabric to write automatic setup scripts in Python - which is nice :)
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13:11<rnowak>17:11:27 kjb: rnowak you are incomplete. some scripts install WrodPress on nginx
13:11<rnowak>I am incomplete?
13:11<Cromulent>you are incomplete!
13:11<rnowak>you're welcome to elaborate on what you mean
13:12<Whiskey`Wonka>Cromulent: I am just after a quick way to setup/resetup a box i will be blowing away daily for a while
13:12<kjb>yes rnowak you indicate that stckscripts only do partial things -
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13:12<rnowak>you've got issues with reading comprehension?
13:12<Cromulent>Whiskey`Wonka, fair enough - Fabric is quite a cool library though
13:12<kjb>no need to feel hostile
13:12<rnowak>fabric is indeed cute
13:13<Whiskey`Wonka>Cromulent: i have it marked for future reading, it might come in handy for something, having never used it i have no idea =)
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13:17<Whiskey`Wonka><sigh> Yea read those.
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13:20<kjb>rnowak you're right, both of those address the issue, but not completely. if we run - for example -fagiani's fine Ubuntu nginx WordPress VArnish installer why would we first want to go through a standard linux installation as described in teh getting-started page? and would't it be redundant and maybe even issue contradictory commands, etc
13:21<capitan>does linode offer paid support of some kind?
13:21<@caker>capitan: yes, currently unadvertised and on a case-by-case basis. We're working on an official offering
13:21<capitan>hiya caker :)
13:21<kjb>caker that's excellent
13:22<capitan>how do i get the ball rolling?
13:22<purrdeta>capitan: ticket
13:22<kjb>I forgot you did a trial offering quite a few months ago, didn't you.
13:22<capitan>i'll open one. thanks!
13:22<Shubuntu>caker i want to run a webservice on https, do i need to have a seperate ip for it?
13:22<capitan>any idea on rates?
13:22<purrdeta>Shubuntu: nope
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13:23<Shubuntu>it's a new website, my other ips are already using their respective ssl certs
13:23<Shubuntu>ok how do i do it?
13:23<EugeneKay>I have to wonder why the advice of the owner of the VPS company is needed to give advice on SSL certs
13:23<EugeneKay>!to Shubuntu google server name indication
13:23<linbot>Shubuntu: Server Name Indication - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; SSL with Virtual Hosts Using SNI - Wiki: <>; TLS Server Name Indication.: <>; Transport Layer Security (TLS) Extensions (RFC 3546) - IETF: (2 more messages)
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13:23<Shubuntu>it's cause i need to know if i need to get an additional ip or not
13:24<pascal>hello everyone would I be able to test if a public udp port == local udp port ?
13:24<Shubuntu>as you know i need to justify asking for exta ips
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13:24<vraa>i think that's best to file a ticket about
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13:24<pascal>the idea is I can check for connections if they are the same and if not use a failback
13:24<pascal>but not sure on how to do damn whats with my real nick
13:24<rnowak>pascal: care to clarify? your question makes little sense in that form
13:24<EugeneKay>Except you really don't. Read up on SNI and the possibilities of subjectAltName enabled certificates.
13:25<EugeneKay>The tl;dr is tha modern browsers support SNI virtualhosting for SSL; IE-on-XP users are a dying breed
13:25<pascal>someone stole my nick ;p
13:26<pascal>rnowak: the idea is to check public udp port local udp port on a certain port number
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13:26<EugeneKay>What about the port?
13:26<EugeneKay>It's a port.
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13:26<pascal>sorry its to unclear. say for example 3rd bullet from top
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13:27<EugeneKay>That page attempts to load a .swf full-screen. :-/
13:27<pascal>it checks if your local UDP is the same as your remote UDP im not quite sure how they could differ
13:27<rnowak>that's not qualified enough
13:27<pascal>EugeneKay: its a connection checker for the rtmfp protocol
13:28<EugeneKay>Oh, you're wanting to know how source port numbers and UDP tunnel-punching works.
13:28<Shubuntu>ok so what do i do to run the wsdl on https
13:28<pascal>i try to a) read upon how it works ( and why udp ports can diver local and remote _ and b) try to find a way to test myself it they are different
13:28<EugeneKay>!to pascal google ephemeral port
13:28<linbot>pascal: Ephemeral port - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The Ephemeral Port Range: <>; (Ephemeral) Ports and Client/Server - The TCP/IP Guide!: <>; Avoiding TCP/IP Port Exhaustion: (2 more messages)
13:29<rnowak>pascal: imho, you're confused, and don't really know what you're trying to achieve
13:29<rnowak>or you're leaving out details in your descriptions
13:29<EugeneKay>tl;dr The "source port" is where the server should send traffic for the connection back to, so the software which sent it on the client end can pick it up.
13:30<EugeneKay>If you have a bunch of different requests going out, they can't all be listening on the same source port for return traffic - it would get mixed together. That's bad.
13:31<pascal>ok that clarifies a bit reading the first wikipage
13:31<pascal>basically the idea is to stream some data between 2 clients and I have this issue that the rtmfp protocol fails if your behind a firewall
13:31<EugeneKay>I'm not exactly what that SWF test is supposed to be for; it appears to be geared towards detecting NAT/firewalls.
13:31<pascal>i already have a failback mechanism but i need to detect the failure (somehow)
13:32<rnowak>by firewall you mean you're being NAT'd?
13:32<pascal>I have a testcase 2 NAT's
13:32<pascal>1 nat works fine the other does not
13:32<rnowak>firewall != NAT
13:32<pascal>well router
13:32<EugeneKay>Yell at your NAT ;-)
13:32<pascal>i can connect to 2 different wireless and 1 wireless connection goes ok the other not
13:32<pascal>the data is just not send so that is what im trying to detect
13:33<pascal>but thought to ask here first to get a understandig of how it works on the network layer it wasent totally clealr to me at all
13:33<rnowak>is there a control channel established outside of the datagram stream?
13:34<EugeneKay>While I do appreciate general knowledge questions, #linode is more geared towards... well, Linodes. I suggest a book on TCP/IP; O'Reilly makes a good one.
13:34<tonyyarusso>There's a ##networking on Freenode
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13:47<superdug>and google just announced Compute Engine
13:48<purrdeta>And chrome for iOS >.>
13:48<superdug>that was sort of a given
13:49<Daevien>but still no drive for linux. grr.
13:49<purrdeta>Meh, still
13:49<superdug>Daevien: get a chromebook, you get linux and google drive!
13:50<Daevien>superdug: yeah, chromebook has it.. android devices have it.. now ios devices have it.. but they can't give it to generic linux devices?
13:50<Shubuntu>you can run chrome on wine
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13:50<superdug>you can run chrome on linux
13:50<superdug>chrome != chromeos
13:50<@heckman>You can run Linux on Linux
13:50<superdug>Daevien: witht he drive API they announced yesterday, I suspect multiple fuse clients to come out shortly
13:51<purrdeta>all of the fuse clients
13:52<superdug>purrdeta: ... I mean in terms of linux interacting with it as "storage" much like there are brazillian S3 fuse clients
13:52<Daevien>there was a community command line version being worked on. was just expecting them to have an offical linux one, since google uses linux internally, you'd think their internal people would want it
13:52<purrdeta>superdug: I know :)
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13:52<superdug>Daevien: to be fair I don't think there's anything that google doesn't use internally
13:53<Daevien>770,000 + cores avail on compute engine. caker is currently plotting to takeover google :p
13:54<superdug>dude, they decided to "beta" test on computing cancer genomes
13:54<staticsafe>MOAR CORES
13:55<@caker>takeover is not a verb
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14:04<superdug>caker: it's a way of life?
14:04<@akerl>It's a noun
14:07<@heckman>Verbing nouns coming to you from the cloud. (Literally at 32,000 feet)
14:08<meskarune>google made turning nouns into a verb mainstream :)
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14:08<wrf>you meant take over, two words
14:09<yano>Why is buying ram as an extra so much more expensive than just upgrading to the next tier plan?
14:09<chesty>to discourage you from buying ram
14:10<Daevien>yano: its easier to start a new server with ram than have to take down a ton of vps to add ram to an existing server
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14:11<yano>Also, I'm rather annoyed at the downtime experienced in Newark over the last week.
14:11<Daevien>pus it's easier to figure out costs ahead of time, etc
14:11<Austinh100>yano, you were on 490 aswell?
14:11<yano>I guess? I've had a total of 1 hour and 48 minutes of downtime in the last 7 days.
14:11<chesty>aswell is not a word
14:12<rnowak>that's quite alot of downtime
14:12<Daevien>any location and any provider can (and will) have downtime.. if you need to be up as close to 24/7, you need multiple locations & multiple servers
14:12*rnowak (:
14:12<chesty>alot is not a word
14:12<Austinh100>yano, were u migrated?
14:12<rnowak>chesty: (:
14:12<yano>Austinh100: yes
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14:12<Austinh100>k, so was I
14:13<rnowak>alot is too a word, though, it is a fuzzy cute being, with a tooth
14:13<linbot> |
14:13<Daevien>google is showing some of the stuff from yesterdays stunt with the skydivers & google glass live on the io stream
14:14<Daevien>showing more details on how it was done
14:15<Austinh100>oooh blimp
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14:18<finlay>how do I remove Linode backup from my account/linode? it was super easy to sign up but I don't see anywhere to remove it.
14:18<hawk>it's a trap!
14:19<hawk>finlay: ticket, I believe
14:19<finlay>it is a trap, that is super sleazy sketchy behaviour
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14:22<Daevien>heh google camera dude jsut walked into a post
14:22<rnowak>I can imagine one reason not being able to cancel it yourself through the interface, putting all conspiracy theories aside, is that it is a destructive action, and you're paying to have the data backed up even in the events where you screw up and destroy your linode
14:22<Austinh100>Daevien, saw that lol
14:23<finlay>rnowak: you can delete a linode, you can cancel your service... all with a click
14:24<rnowak>and you're paying them for the backup service to back up your data, even in the case where you screw up
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14:24<hawk>rnowak: The backup service is cancelled if you delete the linode, though, isn't it?
14:24<rnowak>I don't know :)
14:25<@heckman>finlay: how's it sleazy? It'll take us a minute or two to get back to you with the credit on your account and the service disabled.
14:25<@heckman>The extra step allows for you to think "Am I sure I want this data purged". It's wiped almost immedaitely.
14:25<tonyyarusso>grr. Our DNS appliance is driving me batty. I can't figure out how to CNAME one domain to another - only subdomains.
14:25<@heckman>Excuse my typing. Latency is driving me mad.
14:25<hawk>tonyyarusso: You can't have a CNAME at the zone apex
14:25<rnowak>does deleting a linode delete the backups and disables the service, hawk?
14:25<hawk>tonyyarusso: If that's what you were trying to do
14:25<rnowak>eh, heckman ^
14:26<@heckman>rnowak: affirmative
14:26<rnowak>I see
14:26<tonyyarusso>hawk: How is it done then? For instance, through's system I somehow got to point to - I want to do the same thing here in Infoblox.
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14:27<rnowak>you can't cname a domain to another, only sub domains
14:27<hawk>tonyyarusso: It isn't done (adding CNAMEs there). Are you using some http redirect service?
14:27<@heckman>tonyyarusso: if they are doing CNAMEs, they are violating RFCs
14:27<tonyyarusso>hawk: Nope - I added it as a CNAME.
14:27<@heckman>tonyyarusso: RFC violation...
14:27<tonyyarusso>Well that's annoying.
14:27<rnowak> 300 IN CNAME
14:27<purrdeta>ouch >.<
14:27<hawk>tonyyarusso: brokenness on their part, then
14:27<rnowak>> > ((tm) avenj)
14:28<tonyyarusso>What exactly makes it an RFC violation?
14:28<hawk>tonyyarusso: You should probably inform them of their blunder
14:28<purrdeta>the RFC says not to do that
14:28<@heckman>The RFC explicitly states you cannot do that.
14:28<finlay>heckman: it's not listed as a reason for opening a ticket, it's not listed in the FAQ, there's no indication on the backups page that you can even cancel the service. So yeah, it's sleazy, as you make no mention anywhere that you can even cancel it.
14:28<purrdeta>thats what makes it an RFC violation :P
14:28<hawk>tonyyarusso: That you can't have CNAME and other data for the same name
14:28<tonyyarusso>hawk: but what if I don't *need* other data?
14:28<@heckman>finlay: how is it sleazy when you get a ticket response in like, 2 minutes?
14:28<hawk>tonyyarusso: And at the zone apex you must have SOA + NS
14:28<Daevien>finlay: so you think if you sign up for something you can never ever not pay for it? i doubt that
14:29<tonyyarusso>In that case, it does return NS records, but not an SOA.
14:29<hawk>tonyyarusso: Hence no CNAME possible
14:29<trippeh>Here we go, native IPv6 /60 prefix at home :)
14:29<hawk>tonyyarusso: Which is inconsistent
14:29<tonyyarusso>Can you do it by somehow pretending to host com in some not-really-authoritative way and putting it in that zone?
14:29<purrdeta>tonyyarusso: nice
14:29<finlay>heckman: you're right that service response is amazing, and service has always been amazing with linode which is why I recommended it to friends. I'm just baffled and actually shocked that you'd make me jump through hoops and hide the fact that people can cancel backups when everything else is so clear, consise and painless!
14:30<finlay>heckman: it seems to me like you're doing yourself more of a disservice there than anything
14:30<finlay>in my opinion anyways
14:30<Daevien>tonyyarusso: redirect with http and automate changes with the linode api so they affect both domains?
14:30<hawk>tonyyarusso: Not in any way that is actually correct.
14:30<@heckman>finlay: I'll bring it up when I get back to the office. Currently flying back from CA. :)
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14:32<purrdeta>finlay: I am simply curious, but would a little tag that said "Please submit a ticket to cancel this service" make it better?
14:32<finlay>heckman: Appreciated. And I got it removed just like you said so thanks for that.
14:32<@heckman>finlay: np
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14:32<tonyyarusso>hawk: bother
14:32<hawk>tonyyarusso: I'm sure there are standards violating duct tape monstrosities that "mostly work", if you're into that sort of thing.
14:33<Chris___>So, preferred program for server stats / a server panel type thing?
14:33<finlay>now to roll out my linode with a new distro for nginx+fastcgi php
14:33<Chris___>and nginx++
14:33<finlay>Chris___: I use ispconfig but people here will swear at me for it.
14:33<finlay>I tried webmin but it was way too complicated for my users.
14:33<Chris___>finlay: only thing I"d recommend different from the Linode Library for setting up nginx, use their official repos
14:34<Austinh100>i use newrelic for stats
14:34<Chris___>well, it's not for a large user base, I'm just going to set it up for local use only (it'll only listen on my subnet
14:34<finlay>I was running debian testing, then debian unstable.. had huge probs with both over time... I think I'm going to try ubuntu 12.04
14:35<Chris___><3 squeeze
14:36<Chris___>Can anyone edit the Linode Library? Or only staff?
14:37<@heckman>Only staff.
14:37<@heckman>finlay: good luck with 12.04 LTS. :)
14:37<KyleXY>You can submit, though, iirc (to get approved/edited)
14:37<finlay>heckman: thanks. I've got my fingers crossed. I was having to restart apache every week before ><
14:37<Chris___>orly? so if I write a section on getting nginx from the nginx repos instead of the outdated squeeze repos, it can be added?
14:38<Chris___>thanks KyleXY :D
14:38<KyleXY>Chris___: No guarantee it'll be approved
14:38<Chris___>ofc not
14:38<Chris___>but E is for Effort
14:38<rnowak>18:37:58 Chris___: orly? so if I write a section on getting nginx from the nginx repos instead of the outdated squeeze repos, it can be added?
14:38<Chris___>Of course "effort" also has two F's in it, for double fail
14:38<Chris___>rnowak: debian repos install nginx 0.7.8 iirc
14:38<Chris___>current is 1.2.1
14:38<hawk>outdated as in not the latest upstream version, I suppose
14:38<rnowak>ok, and?
14:39<Chris___>Just saying, old version is old(er)
14:39<hawk>I'm sure it's lacking extremely awesome features
14:39<rnowak>if someone needs a newer version they are also likely in the knowhow on how to do it
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14:39<rnowak>if you want the newer version just because the version number got bumped, well, screw you mister
14:39<Chris___>Well, there will always be those who argue for the sake of arguing.
14:40<rnowak>there's also that
14:41<pascal>the linode grahs on bandwith how many times are they updated?
14:41<pascal>im checking live with iftop how much bandwith consumption but wondered the linode graphs are not realtime they are like 5 min or more?
14:42<Austinh100>"(5min avg)"
14:43<hawk>Austinh100: .oO(But if no one is watching, are they still updated?)
14:43<pascal>ok cool
14:43<Austinh100>hawk, yeah
14:43<pascal>trying to get some basic idea on bandwith and streaming some video
14:43<rnowak>do you know the bitrate of the video? that, and add a tiny bit more
14:43<pascal>2 streams im about 0,5 MB @ sec
14:52<jcy>does linode use SSD arrays?
14:54<rnowak>fusion IO duo devices, at least 8 in each host
14:54<KyleXY>jcy: no
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15:18<finlay>is there no recommended settings for nginx on a linode 512?
15:19<Daevien>uh, not really general settings, no. it depends on what you are looking to do with it
15:19<rnowak>got a pen and paper?
15:22<EugeneKay>Mmmmm fusion IO
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15:30<finlay>k, I just saw apache2 had done and figured it was the same deal
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15:42<meskarune>you can tell its friday since the channel is quiet
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15:44<purrdeta>meskarune: you'll jinx it!
15:44<meskarune>looks like I just did
15:46<+jchen>its totally thursday
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15:47<purrdeta>hmm you're right it is Thursday. But I have off tomorrow so meh
15:48<meskarune>I can never keep track of time
15:48<meskarune>I always thinks its a dif. day and time than it is
15:48<purrdeta>I do too
15:48<purrdeta>I would have totally gone along with you about it being friday. I did not realize it was not friday until jchen
15:49<meskarune>my internal chronometer is borked
15:49<meskarune>and I am low on memory
15:52<arooni-mobile>would you folks recommend a blog format like: .... or
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15:53<Peng>How about // ?
15:54<Peng>I'll just say that "posts" is uncommon.
15:54<@heckman>I am getting kind of ragey:
15:54<Peng>"article", sure.
15:54<Peng>Though I'm personally fond of the date style.
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15:55<@heckman>woot, low gravity when starting descent
15:56<finlay>I'm trying to follow linode static ip guide and a) ubuntu complains /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated, and that my resolve.conf is not a symlink.... b) networking dies and I have to switch back to dhcp
15:56<finlay>using the lish console
15:56<@heckman>finlay: ignore b
15:57<@heckman>The DHCP thing is a warning really.
15:57<@heckman>It's their stupid dynamic resolvconf package that I had to kill.
15:57<@heckman>Ugh...the symlink thing***
15:58<@heckman>And try pastebinning your network configuration (interfaces) file someplace.
15:59<finlay>is my current ifconfig and static ip config
15:59<finlay>doing a iface eth0 inet dhcp works fine
15:59<@heckman>That should work.
15:59<finlay>for both ipv4 and my ipv6
16:00<@heckman>What's your LinodeID?
16:01<finlay>I can lish in, but I can't ssh using the ip anymore
16:01<finlay>even though I can when it's set to dhcp
16:01<@heckman>prepping for landing, disconnecting.
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16:01<finlay>toodles, safe landing
16:03<EugeneKay>Poor heckman.
16:04<finlay>anyone else maybe have an idea? this is really weird. it looks up
16:05<finlay>I can ping it locally
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16:08<Peng>finlay: Pastebin "ip a", "ip r" and "ip -6 r" while it's broken.
16:08<Peng>finlay: Also iptables-save and ip6tables-save
16:14<finlay>the last 2 commands don't return any output
16:14<finlay>but I did do the linode iptables security guide
16:14<finlay>maybe I need to update the rules?
16:14<finlay>I just used the defaults
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16:18<Peng>finlay: Incidentally, you don't need to statically configure the IPv6 IP. SLAAC can handle it.
16:18<staticsafe>heh nice comment on the thread heckman -
16:19<Peng>finlay: It looks like you don't have a default IPv4 route.
16:19<Peng>finlay: Ah-ha!
16:19<Peng>finlay: Your /etc/network/interfaces contains "gatesway" instead of "gateway".
16:20<finlay>how many times did I stare at that, checking the numbers over and over against the remote address list
16:21<staticsafe>finlay: heh happens to the best of us
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16:21<finlay>Peng: Thank you Sir/Madam
16:21<Peng>finlay: You're welcome. :)
16:21<Peng>finlay: Also, if you *do* want to statically configure IPv6 for some reason, it seems you're still getting the default route via SLAAC.
16:21<rnowak>Miss Peng, reminded me of miss pacman
16:22<finlay>no, I was just trying to make heads and tails of which mentioned 'maintaining persistance'
16:22<rnowak> this is now how I imagine Peng
16:22<finlay>but I guess that is just for additional ipv6 addresses
16:22<azizur>Any #linode employees here?
16:23<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
16:23<Peng>rnowak: Those are awesome boots.
16:24<rnowak>the people with the cinnamon roll
16:24<EugeneKay>azizur - the people with the funny icons next to their name in the userlist
16:24<azizur>thanks guys.
16:25<Peng>Was that all you wanted to know? :P
16:26<azizur>I wanted to get a bit of advice... on kind of things I'd need migrate from HostGator VPS
16:26<Peng>azizur: The ever-so-helpful(?) community may be able to help.
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16:27<EugeneKay>It would depend upon what you're using it for. Web hosting? What sort of sites? Standard MySQL+PHP stuff(wordpress, etc) ?
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16:27<azizur>I trust the community is helpful but I would like to know what kind of set up I should go for so that I don't end up with same problems
16:28<EugeneKay>For quick set up you can follow the Linode library guides for a LAMP stack.
16:28<azizur>We have 3 sites on a VPS but current set up and traffic means server goes down quite often.
16:28<EugeneKay>There are more advanced ways(faster) that use php-fpm. The guides have a good bit on that, too.
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16:29<superdug>So is basically trying to win over customers by ... charging the same prices as their competitors?
16:29<azizur>I want to create a fail safe infra. so that if one server goes down other still keep the service going
16:30<EugeneKay>You can definitely do that with Linode, but it is a bit of work. The question becomes "how much reliability" are you willing to build / pay for
16:30<Peng>azizur: Even one server shouldn't go down due to traffic.
16:30<EugeneKay>NodeBalancers work great for failover & balancing
16:30<Peng>azizur: I mean, it might start dropping requests at some point, but it shouldn't crash.
16:31<EugeneKay>The good news is that even when presented with massive load an individual Linode usually doesn't eat its own head. Maybe a foot, but the VPS itself stays up.
16:31<superdug>azizur: I've never had a server go down that I wasn't notified well in advance of on linode. I cannot say the same for any other VPS or cloud service out there.
16:31<azizur>well current apache config and set up from HG meant after certain limit it max-out on RAM and it dies
16:31<EugeneKay>Yeah, that's basic tuning. php-fpm + nginx can help a lot with that.
16:32<EugeneKay>Limits the amount of ram web traffic is allowed to eat. Instead requests are queued
16:32<Peng>azizur: Misconfigured software can crash any VPS at any provider.
16:32<superdug>Peng: I was not accounting for User Error in my statement above, but good point
16:32<azizur>Been with the 2nd level tech support for more then week now and not been able to solve the issue
16:33<superdug>azizur: of linode?
16:33<azizur>no HostGator
16:33<Peng>azizur: .......Has anyone fixed MaxClients or run
16:33<Peng>azizur: Assuming mod_php and, well, MySQL.
16:33<superdug>azizur: lol, you're comparing apples to oranges here, hostgator is shared hosting, linode is shared servering
16:33<Peng>superdug: Said a HostGator VPS.
16:34<azizur>I am considering moving to Linode
16:34<superdug>Hostgator has VPS???
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16:34<superdug>and it sucks? get out of town ...
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16:36<superdug>azizur: sounds to me like you have a bit of an operator error problem
16:38<azizur>big headache there
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17:13<Kyhwana>hrm, is there a way to setup multiple tunnels over SSH with a single SSH stream/connection?
17:14<superdug>-L ?
17:16<Daevien>Kyhwana: i believe you can use multiple -L on the same command, though i must admit i dont think i have tried
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17:17<Kyhwana>hmm, ok
17:17*Kyhwana will try later
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17:19<Daevien>Kyhwana: it works, just tested it
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17:19<Daevien>tried it with 3, they worked fine. not sure on a max # per command
17:20<Peng>Could also just multiplex the connection.
17:20<CornishPasty>I reckon you could have 65535 of them :P
17:20<CornishPasty>If not more!
17:20<Daevien>that woudl be a hellish command line CornishPasty :p
17:20<CornishPasty>Daevien: yep...
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17:21<Daevien>Peng: from xubuntu 12.04 to a ubuntu server 12.04 from the command line it works fine to just add more -L <whatever> to the command
17:21<Daevien>other distros / ssh versions your milage may vary
17:22<Kyhwana>hmm, google VPS
17:23<Peng>Google used "backup" as a verb. :(
17:23<CornishPasty>Peng: backup now, what?
17:24<Daevien>Kyhwana: for windows, i use myentunnel to do the same sort of thing using puttygen for the key
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17:26<Kyhwana>I used bitvise, but it doesn't do ipv6
17:26<Kyhwana>does myentunnel do v6?
17:26<Daevien>dunno if it does ipv6, i only have ipv6 through a tunnel
17:27<Daevien>from their page: Added readme information on how to enable IPv6 and HTTP/Socks proxy usage.
17:27<Daevien>they aso have some links to other similar programs at the bottom
17:28<Daevien>securecrt also includes the functions i think, not sure on ipv6 there either though
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17:28<Daevien>i just use kitty & myentunnel when i'm stuck on winblows
17:28<CornishPasty>Hehehe, kitty
17:28<linbot>New news from forum: Won't boot a custom CentOS 6 Kernel in General Discussion <>
17:29<CornishPasty>Daevien: I know, I just find it funny :P
17:29<Daevien>i find it handy because of the systray icon & the functions it gives
17:30<Daevien>though these days i pretty much only use it when i'm at work and can't use my own computer with linux, otherwise i'm usually in linux
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17:32<Daevien>thanks for askign about it though Kyhwana, it gave me the motivation to clean up my bashrc some and condense the tunnels i commonly use to a few commands :p
17:33*Gnintendo facedesks
17:33<Gnintendo>An old server company I was with just sent me to a debt collection agency for a charge I settled with them 4 months ago.
17:34<Gnintendo>I sent the debt collection agency documentation and marked it as disputed.
17:34<Gnintendo>I'm *this* close to suing them for harassment
17:34<Gnintendo>(the company)
17:34<CornishPasty>Gnintendo: do it.
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17:34<bacon>Good {Morning,Afternoon,Evening}
17:35<Gnintendo>I also have enough documentation to legally prove they attempted to fraud me, I believe.
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17:35<Gnintendo>They can bitch all they want, but if they're trying to effect my credit score, now I'm pissed.
17:36<Gnintendo>I've *never* been in debt to shit.
17:36*Gnintendo rages
17:36<rnowak>considered starting a blog?
17:36<jcy>man those ahole co-founders of RIM really ran that company into the ground
17:37<Gnintendo>rnowak: Ruining the company's reputation doesn't solve my problem.
17:37<Gnintendo>Litigation, however, would.
17:37<rnowak>no, but it would make you rant in a blog post instead of here
17:37<bacon>You know, I have a zen-like experience watching packages download locally at <1Mbps. Seeing them download on my linode at >100Mbps startles me. I love my linode and hate the bandwidth the northern hemisphere has
17:37<bacon>the latter out of jealousy...
17:38<Gnintendo>However, once this is over, I will surely write-up my experience.
17:38<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:38<Peng>bacon: Where do you get 100 Mbps package downloads? What mirror?
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17:39<tonyyarusso>I run a local Ubuntu package mirror, so I get disk-speed downloads at home :)
17:39<CornishPasty>tonyyarusso: wooh
17:39<bacon>after running rankmirrors
17:39<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:39<Peng>bacon: London node?
17:39<rnowak>I live in sweden, so I get capped connection downloads from my university's mirror, bitches
17:40<jcy>are you saying the southern hemisphere has better bandwidth?
17:40<Daevien>i used to run a local ubuntu & debian mirror.. the hard drive blew up a month or so ago and i haven't been bothered to do it again, just through on apt-cacher-ng
17:40<bacon>jcy, hell no.
17:40<Peng>What's the point of running a full local mirror, instead of apt-cacher-ng?
17:40<tonyyarusso>CornishPasty: Figure better to download packages once, during off-hours, than for every machine in the house when I'm trying to get something done.
17:40<bacon>rnowak, what's your connection speed?
17:40<azizur>Peng: you were saying something about MaxClients or run
17:40<Peng>azizur: I was.
17:40<CornishPasty>tonyyarusso: good idea
17:40<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:40<rnowak>bacon: depends on where I am, currently 100/100
17:41<tonyyarusso>Peng: I've also brought it to installfests.
17:41<tonyyarusso>Able to do everything we need without any internet connection at all that way.
17:41<bacon>ADSL here is available in 384K, 512K, 1M, 4M and sometimes 10M
17:41<MajObviousman>tonyyarusso: yeahbut ... INTERNETS
17:41<rnowak>where's here?
17:41<azizur>how can I get the MaxClients right?
17:41<MajObviousman>how can one live without them?
17:41<bacon>rnowak, and yes, i hate you too.
17:41<MajObviousman>it's like blood for the computer nerd
17:42<bacon>We have 3.5Gbps international
17:42<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:42<Peng>bacon: Cable?
17:42<Peng>Linode probably has more than 3.5 Gbps per data center. >.>
17:42<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:42<rnowak>bacon: that's all? ouch
17:42<bacon>Peng, no such thing. WiMAX, ADSL or dial-up.
17:42<tonyyarusso>I also have it set up to run BIND and dhcpd such that DHCP clients think is my local machine.
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17:42<bacon>rnowak, yeh, but we got the SKA, so that should be increasing massively.
17:42<Peng>tonyyarusso: Poison! D:
17:42<Peng>How redundant is that 3.5 Gbps?
17:43<tonyyarusso>That way they don't have to change any configs to use the local mirror :)
17:43<bacon>Peng, 3 lines, one just came online
17:43<Peng>bacon: So you could lose half of it with a decent fiber cut. Ouch.
17:44<bacon>Peng, yes, and we often do, bloody fishermen in the Red Sea cook one line often.
17:44<bacon>cook and hook
17:45<bacon>Peng, and 350ms latency added on for the distance
17:45<Peng>Given my contributions to this conversation, I should apply to the Obvious ROTC.
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17:47<bacon>Someone finally put up an arch mirror here, i see.
17:49<bacon>Anyways, the reason why I'm here is that I bought a mid-level linode for testing and playing. I'm going to move all my local sites to some linodes (and away from shared hosting). I'll include an email to the tier-1 ISPs for them to complain about speeds.
17:50*MajObviousman eyes Peng
17:50<MajObviousman>I don't know that you would make it bast basic man
17:51<bacon>200GB/month costs around US$100
17:51<bacon>traffic that is...
17:52<Peng>MajObviousman: Won't know unless I try.
17:53<bacon>+$1/GB overcharge
17:53<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:53<Peng>bacon: You don't mean Linode, do you?
17:53<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:53<rnowak>international or doesn't matter, bacon?
17:53*Peng glares a mikegrb.
17:54<rnowak>a wild mikegrb appears
17:54<bacon>Peng, no, no chance. Typical hosting costs here.
17:54<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:54<Peng>bacon: Just checkin'
17:54<bacon>rnowak, international or local.
17:54<rnowak>sounds horrible
17:54<bacon>We enjoy being bent over.
17:55<tonyyarusso>Sounds almost as bad as Australia.
17:55*CornishPasty eats bacon
17:55<bacon>and our registry created their system in 1998 and haven't updated it since.
17:55*bacon makes CornishPasty even tastier
17:56<bacon>anyways enough about me, let's talk about rnowak
17:56<rnowak>let's not, I'm a boring subject
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17:59*Peng bores into rnowak
17:59<EugeneKay>Peng - I seem to recall caker mentioning that Linode has redundant 10gbps uplinks to their routers at each DC
17:59<auraka>woohoo google compute is here for only....$100+? wow...suck
18:00*MajObviousman also eats bacon
18:00<Daevien>auraka: in google's defense, if you compare their lowest vs amazon's lowest, it's not a fair comparison
18:00<auraka>well of course not
18:01*MajObviousman applies bacon to everything, enjoys long-term success
18:01<Daevien>plus there is the still the factor of actual cpu seeming to be more on google. regardless though, i'm sticking with linode
18:01<MajObviousman>after 5 years, Linode has never one fucked me
18:01<MajObviousman>boy, when I put it that way ... suddenly Linode sounds like an ice queen
18:02<Daevien>o/ stan_theman
18:02<MajObviousman>stan_theman: ohai
18:02<@stan_theman>Daevien! \o
18:02<@stan_theman>5 years MajObviousman? :P
18:02<Peng>EugeneKay: Linode seems to average a couple Gbps per data center, so it makes sense.
18:02<MajObviousman>yeah, just 5
18:02<MajObviousman>hmm actually no, 4 and some change
18:02<auraka>I'm hoping Google makes Amazon fix EBS to nut suck
18:03<Cromulent>whats all this about Google? got a link?
18:03<Cromulent>I've been watching the football :)
18:03<Cromulent>ah thanks
18:03<Peng>Cromulent: They have a VPS service and an object storage server and some other thing I didn't pay attention to.
18:04<auraka>Peng: urmom...they have urmom
18:04<Peng>Even if their prices aren't better, as long as they're not worse, increased variety and competition are beneficial.
18:04<Cromulent>Peng, hmm well competition in the market is a good thing - lets see what happens with this
18:05<MajObviousman>you can't hire a service that doesn't have urmom
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18:12<HoopyCat>you wouldn't buy a motel room by the hour, so why would you buy a... uhh... frontend instance by the hour?
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18:13<bacon>HoopyCat, Do you know what motel rooms are for?
18:13<bacon>As long as the frontend does things your wife/girlfriend doesn't do, by the hour is OK.
18:13<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:13<Daevien>bacon: he's married and a geek, so nope
18:14<Peng>HoopyCat: Buying a motel room by the hour would be great. No need to follow those silly "day" things.
18:14<Peng>HoopyCat: As long as your butt isn't going to get kicked out, what's wrong with increased flexibility?
18:15<cfedde>depends on the neighborhood.
18:15<Peng>Other than not wanting to sleep in because waiting until noon to leave would cost more.
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18:26<arooni-mobile>if i already have a linode box; can i use the linode dns for a domain at 1&1 to s3 for static website hosting?
18:26<arooni-mobile>i.e. the domain wont go to linode directly
18:27<Peng>arooni-mobile: Sure.
18:27<arooni-mobile>ok coool
18:28<Peng>arooni-mobile: Do remember that DNS does not allow CNAME records for the root of a zone. (So, say, can't CNAME to S3, but can.)
18:28<Daevien>and fyi if you remove all your linodes, your dns will stop as well
18:28<arooni-mobile>oh so thats the reason aws doenst let me have my blog at that url
18:29<arooni-mobile>if i move i would need to find a dns provider
18:29<arooni-mobile>is there a registrar that has robust dns (all the normal features youd expect from linode dns manger)
18:29<Daevien>although why you would want to leave linode is a mystery..
18:29<arooni-mobile>i use 1&1 to register my domains and the price is great but they cripple the dns
18:29<HoopyCat>dnsmadeeasy has a nifty feature that will stalk a target to make a CNAME-like object
18:30<Daevien>arooni-mobile: you can use your linode as a master ns and have the linode ns as slave ones as well btw
18:30<arooni-mobile>can i redirect ===>
18:30<arooni-mobile>with the linode dns
18:30<Daevien>arooni-mobile: thats not a dns function
18:30<Daevien>it's a dns + hosting function. dns for each record and the hosting (apache/nginx/etc) does the redirect
18:31<arooni-mobile>i guess i could set that up huh
18:31<arooni-mobile>via apache
18:31<Peng>arooni-mobile: Yes, you could. it's very easy.
18:31<Peng>arooni-mobile: (Those DNS hosts that offer "redirection" are simply creating AAAA/A records for a web server under their control that does the redirect.)
18:31<Daevien>you can cname but it won't redirect if you want to keep one url for your site rather than google referencing www.domain & domain
18:32<Daevien>(as an example)
18:33<arooni-mobile>• You have entered an invalid target. It must be a valid hostname. => with input:
18:33<Daevien>what did you enter in the fields?
18:33<Kyhwana>arooni-mobile: if that's for, the hostname would be www
18:33<HoopyCat>web browsers just ask the OS "hey u got IPs for mang" and the OS is like "hang tight brah" and then the OS comes back awhile later and is like "hey, they said 2001:500:88:200::10"
18:33<arooni-mobile>my imistake
18:33<arooni-mobile>the example isnt clear: "Example:
18:34<arooni-mobile>ok got it now
18:34<arooni-mobile>i like the explanation in terms of brogrammer speak
18:34<@ericoc>HoopyCat: i feel like that exact quote should be on :p
18:35<HoopyCat>so then the web browser says to 2001:500:88:200::10 "hey u look fine, got some sug at / for me ????" and then the server is like "[CENSORED]"
18:35*Daevien thinks HoopyCat has been out in the sun too long
18:35<HoopyCat>and then nine months later, we get a HTTP response
18:35<HoopyCat>Daevien: nod
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18:43<@heckman>in-flight wifi: git push origin testing 0.02s user 0.02s system 0% cpu 12.584 total
18:43<@heckman>I'm pretty sure most of it is my 4096 byte SSH pubkey.
18:43<@heckman>Well, doesn't help.
18:44<praetorian>so no more velocity?
18:44<@stan_theman>only direction
18:44<praetorian>back to hard arduous labor in the linode office?
18:44<@heckman>Nope, was only two days.
18:45<@heckman>Yeah. I did win an iPad tho.
18:45<praetorian>nice. 3rd gen?
18:45<praetorian>and i thought you had one
18:46<@heckman>I think brand new, yes. They are either going to ship me the iPad, or get me a gift card. Need to tell them when I want.
18:46<@heckman>I'm going to get card and upgrade.
18:46<@heckman>And I did not have one.
18:46<praetorian>you'll love it.
18:46*ajmitch hates on internet breakage
18:46<@ericoc>heckman: since you've been gone, we actually have a cloud in the Linode HQ now which rains iPads
18:47<@heckman>I mean, I really don't know what I'm going to use it for.
18:48<@heckman>praetorian: it was a trip, they asked me to pick the name out of the bin for the drawing. And as I reached in the event coordinator jokingly said I could keep it if I pick my own name out....
18:48<@heckman>Don't I go and pick my name...
18:48<@heckman>I proceeded to get booed by about thirty people, and the coordinators were wide eyed.
18:49<@heckman>Because I was the third time that happened.
18:50<Daevien>you get booed all the time at work heckman, you should be used to it?
18:50<@heckman>You obviously haven't been to the office. :)
18:50<praetorian>heckman: haha.
18:50<praetorian>nice work
18:50<@heckman>Yeah, I'm pretty stoked as I never win anything.
18:50<praetorian>i love using my ipad on my daily commute
18:50<praetorian>and it was useful around japan
18:50<praetorian>for maps and stuff
18:51<@heckman>I mean, I drive to work every no go on there.
18:51<praetorian>yeah i know
18:51<@heckman>And it's only three miles, so meh. But we'll see.
18:51<praetorian>chrome is on the ipad now :-)
18:51<@heckman>Yeah, perfect timeing
18:51<praetorian>its rendering engine will be shit i imagine (its only using safaris renderer)
18:51<praetorian>but no nitro js
18:52<@heckman>Not permitted, right?
18:52<praetorian>and of course .. you know.. all apps will open safari.
18:53<@heckman>One of many reasons I love Android
18:53<Daevien>take the gift card heckman, sell it to an apple fanboy, buy an android tablet :p
18:53<@heckman>I'm thinking Nexus 7
18:53<praetorian>my tf101's battery life sucks in comparison to the ipad tho
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18:53<@heckman>I may get the iPad and just see if I'll use it.
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18:54<Daevien>i'd buy a nexus 7 if it had a sdcard maybe.. but my samsung galaxy tab 7 plus works pretty well and HAS a micro sd slot as well as full sdcard / usb adapters so i'll keep it :p
18:54<@heckman>I'll get it, and see how it goes for a bit of time.
18:56<Daevien>if i had the money extra, i'd buy a nexus 7 to check it out then give it to my father but alas, i'm poor and can't afford to buy anything else after my ssd for my laptop & the samsung tablet earlier in the year :p
18:56<praetorian>you do get a 7 day return period i think for all apple stuff
18:56<praetorian>not sure if 7 or 14 days
18:57<carla>I'm having problems with my application, It uses Youtube API, but now that is in production I'm not getting all the video, just a small part of frames of video? Do you think a 512 linode plan is not enough for my application?
18:57<Daevien>buy the apple care though if you care about keeping the device for any length of time, otherwise apple service sucks
18:57<@heckman>carla: the amount of information you've given doesn't really help us answer.
18:58<@heckman>What does it do with the API? How much RAM, CPU, disk I/O are you using?
18:59<carla>I'm publishing videos randomly, this is a video game
18:59<carla>in each round I have to publish a random video
18:59<@heckman>Okay, well what does your aplication do with the video?
19:00<Kyhwana>nexus 7 + google compute engine, done :P
19:00<qmr>Kyhwana: do you have GCE?
19:01<Kyhwana>qmr: it's not available yet is it?
19:01<qmr>limited beta.
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19:01<Kyhwana>well, N7 isn't available yet either
19:01<Daevien>Kyhwana: unless you went to io
19:01*Kyhwana will have to find someway to order the US version when it's out.. just bought a thinkpad E130
19:02<Daevien>then you got a phone, tablet, q & chromebox!
19:02<StevenK>Kyhwana: That's an Edge?
19:02<@heckman>Kyhwana: that would be sweet.
19:03<carla>Is a Youtube player, I'm just showing them in each round, the application plays, stop, or put in mute the videos, and no more
19:03<Kyhwana>StevenK: yeah
19:03<carla>the other part of my application is a chat but this is what I just do with the Youtube API
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19:04<StevenK>Kyhwana: My sister just bought an E430
19:04<carla>just playing, stopping the random video
19:05<carla>I have a list of them for playing in the application
19:07<carla>and very worried about that =(, when I was testing it in localhost, I don't have problems, and I don't understand why I'm getting that problem now.
19:08<Kyhwana>StevenK: hrm.. I have an earlier model 11", the one with a i3-350um.. it's a bit slow, but the newer one should be better
19:08<finlay>in nginx is a rule that comes later in a vhost file overwrite the previous one?
19:08<Kyhwana>especially GPU wise. I've gotten used to the 11" formfactor.. anything else seems too big
19:08<StevenK>Kyhwana: My laptop is a X201, so 12.1"
19:08<@heckman>carla: I'm not familiar with the API. How's your resource usage?
19:09<praetorian>hmm weird. google chrome for ios giving me invalid password errors signing in.
19:11<@heckman>I may need to give Google Drive a go.
19:11<praetorian>no, im typing it, not chesty :p
19:12<praetorian>oh right. if you have app specific passes on.. it makes you use one of those
19:12<praetorian>thanks twitter!
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19:21<@heckman>Nexus 7 is only $200 =o
19:22<@heckman>It's a $199 tablet.
19:22<MajObviousman>oh I thought you were speaking phones
19:23<Kyhwana>except it's listed as $250AUD in NZ. :( (which doesn't seem to include taxes?)
19:23<MajObviousman>why do they keep naming different products the same thing?
19:23<Kyhwana>MajObviousman: Nexus means it's a google thing
19:23<MajObviousman>so why don't they call it a Google 7?
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19:24<@heckman>That's like telling someone to call their iPad and Apple.
19:24<@heckman>Yeah, I got the Apple 10.
19:24<rnowak>not many companies use their company name as a brand name for product lines
19:24*heckman waits to see if someone gets the joke.
19:24<MajObviousman>this conversation would make more sense if I applied beer
19:24<StevenK>heckman: Apple 2? :-P
19:24<rnowak>or a hit to the head
19:24<MajObviousman>no, definitely beer
19:24<Kyhwana>heckman: you mean like the new new ipad? :P
19:25<@heckman>It was a bit of a joke. iPad has a 10 inch screen, and "10" in binary is 2.
19:25*MajObviousman applies more beer
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19:26<rnowak>that was hilarious heckman, maybe you should try standup
19:26<@heckman>But I like to sitdown
19:26<rnowak>sitdown comedy
19:26<rnowak>the new big thing
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19:49<EugeneKay>MajObviousman - Google is a company. Nexus is a line. 7 is a model.
19:49<EugeneKay>Or, in beer logic - Miller is a company, MGD is a line, 12oz bottle is a model.
19:50<EugeneKay>Mmmm beer.
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19:51<MajObviousman>why you gotta bee all smart all the time huh
19:51<MajObviousman>you must have brain leak out your ears on a regular basis
19:52<Daevien>MajObviousman: no, he'd be you then.. he's jsut close... :p
19:55*MajObviousman wipes his ear
19:55*Daevien gets a bucket for MajObviousman
20:03*XReaper nuked a usb port on his laptop :(
20:03<XReaper>i suspect broken connection :(
20:03<rnowak>stop trying to insert your weewee into it
20:04<rnowak>so you're not denying it
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20:06<Daevien>rnowak: how would he break it with something that small?
20:06<XReaper>not funny ...
20:06<rnowak>he manages to use his tiny brain somehow, I am sure he'd find a way
20:06<XReaper>dropped it thismorning with a stick plugged in
20:07<XReaper>rnowak: shut the fuck up
20:09<XReaper>loltrollface :D
20:09<Daevien>heckman: oh look, open directory listing!
20:10*heckman moves all files out. :P
20:10<rnowak>is more like bitch please, than lol, imho
20:10<XReaper>I should probably sort out my hdd's...
20:11<rnowak>done watching all the teletubby episodes now then?
20:11<Daevien>rnowak: he's still working up to that level
20:12<rnowak>dora the explorer?
20:19<@heckman>okay kids, fight nice.
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20:20<EugeneKay>The first rule of teletubbies is that you do not talk about teletubbies.
20:22<Peng>More importantly, is IPv4-only? :)
20:22*Peng gets murdered
20:22<@heckman>I have a quad A that points to same IP, with similar name. Killed it due to my IPv6 problems at home.
20:22<XReaper>heckman shares linodes oppinion. Ipv6 is a fad :P
20:23<staticsafe>2 ( 0.856 ms 0.968 ms 0.972 ms
20:23<XReaper>No ipv6 lish :(
20:23<staticsafe>yay for newark
20:23<@heckman>If we thought it was a fad, we wouldn't have rolled it out to our entire fleet.
20:23<XReaper>Hehe. Still no ipv6 lish yet
20:24<XReaper>No published aaaa's?
20:24<HoopyCat>that's what you motherfsckers said about all these rocks, but now i'm left with piles of python API code to instantiate pet rocks and all you guys do is respond with 500s
20:24<@heckman>XReaper: changes need to be made before we can do it.
20:24<XReaper>Assumed as much
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20:26<XReaper>So what happens when a linode geys deleted?
20:26<@heckman>It goes away
20:28<XReaper>Lish credentials didn't get flushed ... found out by accident but there was no linode to control so meh
20:29<@heckman>afaik they do after a small window
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20:30<XReaper>Oh kk. This was the day after or something.
20:36<Peng>heckman: If Linode doesn't support fads, why did you deploy Arch?
20:37<@heckman>Not really. :x
20:37<praetorian>do you have a problem with fads?
20:37<@heckman>HoopyCat: so I won an iPad at Velocity.
20:37<@heckman>Almost bought one at the Apple Company Store in Cupertino.
20:38<A-KO>I'm looking forward to that new Microsoft tablet
20:38<A-KO>if they play their cards right, it will be a very hot item
20:38<A-KO>It will be an "ipad for professionals"
20:38<HoopyCat>heckman: bummer. gotta get bigger pockets now :-/
20:39<praetorian>A-KO: ""professionals""
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20:40<@heckman>HoopyCat: I know. Oh well
20:40<@heckman>Prepping for landing, going dark. o/
20:40<praetorian>cabin crew arm doors for removal
20:40<staticsafe>#linode <3
20:41<praetorian>you can type 'BOMB' o n aplane
20:41<HoopyCat>flight attendants, please prepare the cabin for crashing. landing. cabin for landing. yes.
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20:45<XReaper>heckman: if arch phase out core install... you will make a netinstaller based template right? :P
20:46<XReaper>Peng: lolfad... some people like living on the edge
20:46<EugeneKay>Wait wait wait. Arch is turning into BSD?
20:47<staticsafe>EugeneKay: eww don't you compare it to BSD
20:47<XReaper>EugeneKay: yeah, don't you dare lol
20:48<EugeneKay>I admit to not knowing anything about how BSD performs because I've never been able to get it to install. Apparently "wizard mode" means "I am a wizard", not "I want you to do it for me"
20:48<staticsafe>FreeBSD 9 is very easy to install imo
20:48<staticsafe>they improved the process a lot
20:48<purrdeta>FreeBSD is lovely
20:48<XReaper>I've heard about the wizard
20:48<XReaper>Going to be giving FreeNAS a look for my 10TB project
20:49<purrdeta>the wizard was easy too :/
20:49<purrdeta>I've been doing that for years though so meh
20:49<Daevien>purrdeta: it is pretty easy to install most versions of BSD. but he also didn't specify anything more than bsd. netbsd for instance last i remembered is a pain to install
20:50<purrdeta>yeah netbsd is horrible
20:50<purrdeta>Though, now adays there is PC-BSD which comes with a server installer :)
20:50<Daevien>kfreebsd is a funky option too :p
20:50<EugeneKay>I've never had any luck with any of them. I can live with a complicated install process once I've learned the system, but is a damn click-here-to-install-a-desktop option really that hard ?
20:51<Daevien>since you can't click until you get a desktop, um, yes?
20:51<purrdeta>EugeneKay: PC-BSD :)
20:51<EugeneKay>Or, to put it another way, if your installer is harder to get through than Windows', I probably won't be able to learn your system.
20:52<EugeneKay>It's not a normal metric, I know. But I feel that this sort of thing matters
20:53<Daevien>this explains much about your questions & stuff in here then EugeneKay ...
20:53<HoopyCat>i install windows because i have to; i install anything else because i want to. so, yeah, that's actually a really good metric.
20:53<EugeneKay>How so?
20:54<XReaper>ircing from the tv wasn't such a good idea :/
20:54<EugeneKay>I feel that I have a good handle on things that I'm familiar with, and that I can grok new packages / concepts very quickly.... once it works. Until then it's mostly "Grog smash!"
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20:55<HoopyCat>the number of times i've screamed "i don't give a damn about unused icons on the desktop, just zoom to 20 ns/div at 16.8 ms after trigger without lagging out!!" at the oscilloscope today was... nonzero
20:55<XReaper>installing arch was interesting
20:55<XReaper>esp that i had an existing windows install i didn't want to nuke
20:55<+jchen>why's that? :)
20:56<EugeneKay>I'm not a fan of multibooting. At all.
20:56<XReaper>doesn't load and filesystem drivers in the installer :P
20:56<Katana>multiboot is a pain when it's BCD in charge
20:56<EugeneKay>Over a minute to switch tasks? Nothx, I'll use VMware
20:56<Katana>grub runs like a beaut
20:56<qmr>EugeneKay: what about games?
20:57<XReaper>grub2 can load win7 loader natively or somesuch
20:57<EugeneKay>All of my computers with a keyboard/mouse are Windows, so they run great.
20:57<Katana>oh right
20:57<Katana>i need to find out why the fsck Windows/winsxs/ is 12GB
20:57<XReaper>Only time this lappy is booted into windows is when i want to use the HDMI port
20:58<EugeneKay>Because Windows is a fat bloated pig
20:58<XReaper>don't have a DP dongle :(
20:58<EugeneKay>Just leave it alone, really.
20:58<EugeneKay>Same with C:\MSOCache
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20:58<XReaper>Katana: windows installs everything
20:58<Katana>and this is why i run *nix
20:59<HoopyCat>XReaper: except what you need
20:59<XReaper>hmm... my phone is still connected to irc
20:59<EugeneKay>I get around the "fat bloated pig" problem in Windows by feeding it a 1TB drive
20:59<EugeneKay>It hasn't eaten it all.... yet.
20:59<XReaper>did the hilite tone :D
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20:59<Katana>EugeneKay: "Throw more CPU/RAM/HDD at it, that'll fix the problem!"
20:59<XReaper>mine sits on a 111GB raid0 volume
21:00<Katana>there's someone in another channel that loves dealing with that approach with server software.
21:00<Katana>Wonderful results.
21:00<Kyhwana>XReaper: haha, raid0
21:00<XReaper>Katana: at least 7 handles ram better than vista
21:00<Katana>Absolutely adores working with hell
21:00<XReaper>Kyhwana: ssd's
21:00<Katana>(major sarcasm)
21:00<XReaper>damn phone!!!
21:00<XReaper>cbf disconnecting irc
21:00<EugeneKay>Eh, Win7 runs pretty happily on a single-core Pentium 4 I have here with 512MB of ram
21:00<EugeneKay>It still eats 20GB of disk space, but hey...
21:01<XReaper>yeah. win7 can run fine on crap hardware
21:01<Katana>i have a distro installed alongside windows, base ram usage of ~250MB
21:02<Katana>probably less if I were to take the time to do something like arch/gentoo and get very very picky about everything installed
21:02<XReaper>gentoo moreso
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21:03<XReaper>if it's big, avoid :P
21:03<XReaper>hmm... kfc for lunch?
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21:03<Katana>i know when i checked the gentoo vm earlier after compiling the kernel, minimum install was using ~18MiB RAM, 2MiB swap.
21:03<XReaper>propercoil: hii
21:03<propercoil>hi guys
21:04<propercoil>does someone uses openvpn under linux?
21:04<XReaper>whoever runs the chat needs to fix the rdns :(
21:04<XReaper>i have yes
21:04<Peng>XReaper: You mean, Linode?
21:04<Katana>plenty of people, why
21:04<XReaper>works awesomely
21:04<XReaper>Peng: yeah duh
21:04<XReaper>they obvs migrated the chat to a newy
21:04<@akerl>XReaper: It doesn't seem to be hurting anything?
21:04<XReaper>arch is what i run (don't do that)
21:04<Peng>akerl: It's confusing.
21:04<XReaper>akerl: i know...
21:05<XReaper>but it's nice to know if it's a webchatee
21:05<Peng>akerl: I assume people are connecting from their own nodes until I notice the username.
21:05<propercoil>i installed openvpn and i dunno what's wrong my ip is still out in the open
21:05<@akerl>Peng: Granted. I've gotten used to it
21:05<XReaper>it was fine a month ago??
21:05<@akerl>That said, if I remember when I'm back in the office I'll poke somebody to fix it
21:05<XReaper>propercoil: pastebin configs?
21:05<Katana>try #openvpn on freenode, they're good with troubleshooting openvpn there
21:06<XReaper>or that
21:06<Peng>akerl: Or we could all file tickets :D
21:06<XReaper>akerl the nightshift vampire...
21:06<Katana>Peng: this sounds like a good idea
21:06<XReaper>heckman: noticed your bug going nowhere
21:07<@akerl>At the moment, I'm akerl the vacationing-in-southern-va-away-from-civilization dude
21:07<propercoil>it's straight from mullvad
21:07<+jchen>akerl the lurking-while-pretending-to-be-vacationing-in-southern-va-away-from-civilization dude
21:07<XReaper>jchen: how about YOU poke someone
21:08<@akerl>jchen: I'm not lurking, I'm socializing
21:08<+jchen>omg double highlight
21:08<+jchen>my eyes are burning
21:08<Daevien>jchen: triple!
21:08<@akerl>jchen: Are you conducting a keyboard symphony?
21:08<Daevien>quick, everyone say jchen!
21:08<propercoil>and this is what i get when i start openvpn
21:08<+jchen>ok thats it im turning off screen bell
21:08<XReaper>jchen: you know you love it
21:08<Katana>jchen: jchen jchen jchen jchen jchen jchen jchen THE GAME
21:08*Daevien hides from jchen
21:08<+jchen>28" monitor + screen bell = bad for eyes bro
21:08<XReaper>We're evil
21:09<XReaper>jchen: what resolution?
21:09<+jchen>aka crappy
21:09<@akerl>jchen: That's not the screen bell, you're hallucinating
21:09<XReaper>need at least 2560x1440
21:09<+jchen>i know XReaper it's not that great
21:09<+jchen>but w/e
21:09<+jchen>it's big
21:09<XReaper>it works
21:09<@akerl>jchen: You know what would be better?
21:09<Daevien>propercoil: you need to look through the logs (or turn them on depending on your config) for openvpn, it will give you more info. probably a misconfig / typo but hard to say if it's client or server from that
21:09<linbot>New news from forum: Have you had recent downtime issues too? (7x in 1 week, NJ) in General Discussion <>
21:09<XReaper>now, 1920x1080 on a 24" is awesome
21:09<+jchen>i really want a 4:3 tho
21:10<XReaper>yet the 1080 cuts off some pixels :/
21:10<+jchen>it's hard to find good 4:3 monitors now
21:10<Katana>urmom wants a 4:3
21:10<XReaper>jchen: because nobody wants them?
21:10<XReaper>portrait is baws
21:10<Daevien>1920x1200 on a 25" monitor.. that i haven't actually turned on in a year heh. been using my 13" laptop
21:10<propercoil>it's client most def.. i tried firing wireshark but i don't see anything on there
21:10<+jchen>debian, y u gotta split a pacakge into like 30
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21:11<XReaper>propercoil: no encryption just for testing?
21:11<Daevien>propercoil: openvpn will do more useful logging / info if you start it manually
21:11<XReaper>yeah, good idea to start it in debug mode
21:11<propercoil>I do start it manually from the terminal
21:11<propercoil>i'll check the man
21:12<Daevien>sudo openvpn --config location_of_config --verb 5
21:12<Daevien>that should give you lots of stuff and see where it is having issues
21:13<HoopyCat>propercoil: check your routing table? (ip route) ... you should see two IPv4 routes for and otherwise
21:14<linbot>Daevien: Now 65% full (mere moments remaining). Last emptied Tuesday at 01:00 UTC, last full Monday at 00:30 UTC after running for 9.0 hours.
21:14<propercoil>routing table :
21:15<Daevien>openvpn isn't getting as far as doing routing then
21:15<HoopyCat>propercoil: does the server config have this or something similar: push "redirect-gateway def1 bypass-dhcp"
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21:16<propercoil>HoopyCat no
21:17<Daevien>heh that would be a problem then
21:17<HoopyCat>propercoil: try adding that on the server config; that should get openvpn to tunnel all traffic through the VPN (except for traffic to the VPN server itself, of course)
21:18<propercoil>gonna try that so see you in a little bit
21:18<HoopyCat>good luck!
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21:19*XReaper runs off to KFC
21:19*Daevien calls an ambulance for XReaper
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21:20<propercoil2>well i'm back. didn't work. i think the problem is that i don't have a tun device
21:21<propercoil2>i used to have one e.g tun0 but now i don't
21:21<XReaper>that might help
21:21<XReaper>ovpn should auto-create it though
21:22<propercoil2>it's def not there..ifconfig shows regular eth1, wlan0
21:23<propercoil2>maybe it's because i deleted the whole etc/openvpn folder when i copied the new configuration certs?
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21:23<XReaper>right now i have a lottery on whether will work or not :/
21:24<XReaper>propercoil2: unless... something is missing in the config
21:24<XReaper>iirc it would need to be run as root to up a tun device, but i could be mistaken
21:25<propercoil2>"No such device" i always needed to be root to down it i remember
21:26<propercoil2>maybe i'll reinstall openvpn
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21:30<XReaper>funny how a 3GB w7 installer inflates to 20GB :/
21:33<qmr>XReaper: you trying the new Ubuntu release?
21:35<propercoil2>no.. i'm on natty
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21:39<XReaper>qmr: hmm?
21:40<XReaper>i've installed it to my linode to confirm heckman's bug
21:40<XReaper>then removed it
21:40<XReaper>and marked myself as affected :P
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21:45<finlay>what is the difference between php-fpm and fastcgi?
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21:52<XReaper>php-fpm IS fastcgi
21:52<XReaper>php fastcgi process manager
21:53<XReaper>finlay: use php-fpm, it's basically a dedicated application server
21:54<finlay>XReader: thanks. I just saw it in a guide but the linode docs make you create a startup script manually
21:54<XReaper>php-fpm isn't in all distros yet
21:54<XReaper>well... ubuntu has it
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21:55<XReaper>debian squeeze might in backports
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22:01<XReaper>finlay: which os are you doing this on?
22:08<genku>your mom
22:08<linbot>New news from forum: Have you had recent downtime issues too? (7x in 1 week, NJ) in General Discussion <>
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22:14<XReaper>genku: lol
22:15<XReaper>that needs 10YB to install
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22:30<Shubuntu>hey guys does anyone know here how to set up a behat project using symfony2?
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22:30<rghisi>Hello everybody! I have an issue with a new Linode 1024 running a new and clean install of Ubuntu 12.04. The load average is sometimes "high" (~1.0) cyclic, every ~6h and stays just like that for a long period despite the server is running mostly idle (the stock 12.04 system, just after a new and clean install). Does anybody have any clues about this issue?
22:32<Shubuntu>check your cron jobs, also are you running any servers?
22:33<Shubuntu>perhaps some bots / etc are connecting to your server
22:33<Shubuntu>check your /var/log for your server logs
22:34<rghisi>I believe that the cron jobs are clean, since it's a clean install
22:34<rghisi>but I will check both
22:36<rghisi>there is a "debian-sa1" on the cron jobs, do you know what is it for?
22:36<Shubuntu>also do you have a firewall?
22:37<rghisi>no big tables at iptables nor high traffic on the ones that exists
22:38<Shubuntu>you prolly have a bug somewhere
22:39<Shubuntu>install a firewall like iptables / ufw (if you're new to ubuntu) and make sure you log all inward / outward connections
22:39<Shubuntu>if you have an email server you can connect to remotely, then use a simple relay email set up on your server and email yourself these logs periodically
22:40<Shubuntu>that way you'll see what's going on easily
22:40<Shubuntu>also since you just installed ubuntu it's worth looking into jail
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22:42<rghisi>I guess the traffic is normal, but will check more closely, thanks for the tips
22:43<rghisi>I bet there is something with this cronjob
22:45<Peng>Shubuntu: *All* connections? Or just email?
22:45<Shubuntu>i guess no behat users here
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22:46<HoopyCat>allllllllll connections
22:47<finlay>XReaper: ubuntu 12.04
22:47<XReaper>should just be able to apt-get install php-fpm
22:47<finlay>yeah, that's what I ended up doing, worked great
22:48<Shubuntu>Peng ??
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22:50<Shubuntu>php-fpm, php-cli, nginx / apache2, fastcgi, symfony2, behat, nodejs, zombie.js, phpunit, and voila
22:50<Shubuntu>and aptitude recently has been weird with determining 64 bit packages over x86
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22:51<Shubuntu>i had trouble installing wine with aptitude, apt-get worked just fine
22:51<Shubuntu>anybody else been having problems with aptitude?
22:51<HoopyCat>for about ten years, iirc
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22:52<Shubuntu>oh umm, what do yo guys use for dotnet?
22:53<HoopyCat>.net domains? same folks i use for .coms and .orgs, usually
22:53<Shubuntu>is mono the only option?
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22:55<Kyhwana>you mean C#?
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22:55<HoopyCat>hrm, isn't C# what they use for iphone stuff?
22:55<Peng>Actually, I suppose logging every connection at the firewall isn't that bad. After all, many individual services do it.
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22:57<HoopyCat>afk, drinking kool-aid
22:58<Kyhwana>HoopyCat: nah, that's objective C
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23:14<Volstvok>What's the best way I can do usability testing on my website?
23:15<Volstvok>And can someone help me sanity check a page layout?
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23:29*XReaper relocates to desktop
23:30<XReaper>ircing on a tv is uncomfortable
23:31<Shubuntu>ircing on any device without a keyboard is uncomfortable
23:32<Kyhwana>Thats why my phone has a keyboard
23:32<Shubuntu>my blackberry has one too
23:32<Shubuntu>just saying
23:32<trippeh>Yummie, start dhclient, home cable ISP dumps 295,147,905,179,352,825,856 IP's on me ;)
23:33<trippeh>This is teh future!
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.60172828, 0.56093036) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 2127857 of 2708488 (π ≈ 3.142501646675193 - 0.000908993085400). http://π
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