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00:00<sary>My Linode account has been activated . thanks guys .
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00:00<praetorian>jeremyb: there you go. couldn't find a better link :)
00:01<jeremyb>praetorian: wtf!
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00:57<sary>i've se a hostanme on my ubuntu linode box , after a reboot am unable to SSH to the box using the hostanme : hostanme unknown .
00:57<kyhwana>sary: that has to be a FQDN
00:57<SleePy>Did you setup the dns records?
00:57<kyhwana>as in <yourhostname>
00:57<@akerl>kyhwana: I don't SSH to a FQDN
00:58<jeremyb>did you use the box you rebooted as your DNS server?
00:58<kyhwana>and after you've made an A record for that host/domain to point to your linodes IP
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00:58<kyhwana>akerl: I assume sary hasn't got a setup like that ;)
00:58<dcraig>what's the hostname that's supposed to be working?
00:59<imMute>akerl: so I just setup a fresh Arch last night, using net-profiles it's not setting the hostname properly. using a configuration that worked on an older Arch install (only 6 months older) any ideas?
01:00<@akerl>imMute: Where are you setting the hostname?
01:00<danblack>either that or the ssh hostname was defined in a ~/.ssh/config file or a /etc/ssh/ssh_config file
01:00<imMute>in /etc/rc.conf did the setting get moved somewhere else? also running 'sudo hostname' doesn't fail with any error messages, but doesn't change anything either
01:00<StevenK>The hostname doesn't automatically set it in DNS
01:01<sary>Hi guys .
01:01<@akerl>imMute: Um... Your hostname shouldn't be
01:01<@akerl>I set my hostname in my netcfg file
01:01<imMute>akerl: it's actually
01:01<@akerl>imMute: Yea... It shouldn't include the domain
01:01<imMute>akerl: like in /etc/network.d/main ?
01:03<@akerl>imMute: Yessir. In that case, your hostname would be in that file as "HOSTNAME='li02'"
01:03<imMute>my working setup has it set to in /etc/rc.conf - did it get changed in a recent Arch ?
01:03<sary>kyhwana: no i haven't setup the FQDN yet .. using /etc/hostname i thought i would setup a hostanme for ubuntu !
01:03<@akerl>sary: It sets up the hostname that your Ubuntu system uses for itself... but you need DNS if you want other computers to know that
01:04<@akerl>imMute: You should be able to set it in any number of places, including rc.conf, but including is wrong
01:04<@akerl>Setting it in rc.conf is deprecated now, IIRC, in favor of some other config file, but still wokrsrks
01:04<@akerl>also works
01:04<imMute>akerl: well on one machine I have it set *only* in /etc/rc.conf to and it works. the other one has the same thing and it doesn't work - only difference is age of the install.
01:05<imMute>I'll try putting it in the netcfg profile the next time I get a chance.
01:07<imMute>akerl: do you mind if I ask why I shouldn't set it to the FQDN?
01:08<@akerl>Because it's the hostname?
01:09<imMute>but a hostname can be fully qualified...
01:09<@akerl>Why do you want it to be?
01:10<imMute>actually, I could care less, as long as hostname -s comes up with li02 and apache shuts the hell up
01:10<sary>Hello akerl :) good to see you .. am new to all of this domaine + hosting .. i got a domaine and now a linode to be able to practice and gain experience .
01:11<+mdcollins>Can anyone help me decipher this error smtp error? The account is allowed to send for that address and the address exists in my valid user table.
01:12<+mdcollins>s/error smtp error/smtp error/
01:13<@akerl>mdcollins: the user exists on the sending side, or the receiving side?
01:13<+mdcollins>I was testing from 1 domain to another domain of mine.
01:13<@akerl>what does the error say on the receiving end?
01:13<+mdcollins>however the error lists the sending address twice.
01:14<+mdcollins>The message isn't recieved and I cannot seem to find any logs. Both domains are through
01:15<rnowak>what are the domains
01:15<rnowak>oh, you own
01:15<@akerl>rnowak: Nah, I'm loaning it to him
01:16<+mdcollins>No, not :P
01:16<sary>kyhwana: so what the hostanme for FQDN should be .. i have registered 3 domaines .
01:16<rnowak>ah, right
01:16<+mdcollins>I replaced the domain with that, but the domain does accept email to the user admin.
01:16<rnowak>k have fun figuring it out
01:17<kyhwana>sary: you can just use your linodes IP to ssh to it
01:17<@akerl>mdcollins: Our collective faith in the inherent perfection of redacted information is 0
01:17<+mdcollins>The only difference is is really
01:17<kyhwana>sary: usually you'd use <hostname>
01:17<+mdcollins>but it doesn't change the error message.
01:18<@akerl>mdcollins: I'd suggest hitting up rollernet
01:18<+mdcollins>Yeah, I was trying to make sure the forum software was putting the right info before I contact em.
01:21<sary>kyhwana: yeah , so its okay to skip setting up the hostname for now unil i setup the web server and launche the website .
01:21<@akerl>sary: You want to set up a hostname now
01:21<kyhwana>sary: no, set a hostname now
01:21<kyhwana>Lots of things depend on having a hostname
01:22<sary>akerl: yes am a that page now , thanks
01:25<sary>i replaced " plato " with " sm1 " ..
01:27<sary>using the commands on the example ..
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01:28<amitz>what to use if i want to redirect all request to http://target to use say port 8i instead of port 80?
01:28<sary>If it exists, edit the file /etc/default/dhcpcd .. if what exists!
01:29<@akerl>sary: That file
01:29<amitz>so basically muy app thinks it has been connected to port 81 of target server where as in reality it has been connected to port 81
01:29<@akerl>amitz: Do you want the client to see that they're hitting 81?
01:29<sary>in /etc/hostname .. sm1 is shwon
01:30<@akerl>amitz: I think one of your above should be 80? :)
01:30<amitz>aker1: client in this case is the app in a pc i control
01:30<amitz>yeah :-p
01:30<sary>now /etc/default/dhcpcd .. is empaty , is that normal !
01:30<@akerl>sary: Is it empty, or does it not exist?
01:31<@akerl>amitz: apache or nginx?
01:31<@akerl>or ... other?
01:32<sary>akerl: i opened /etc/default/dhcpcd with nano .
01:32<amitz>no, it's more like my goddamn git-svn has been using port x, and the port changes now, but temporarily... in the subversiom server
01:32<sary>akerl: in nano its says new file .
01:33<amitz>is this manageable use iptables?
01:33<@akerl>amitz: Sortof?
01:33<@akerl>But that'll send * traffic towards 80 to your new port, which is badness if you have anything else on 80
01:36<amitz>it's okay as long as it works for my case: redirecting all communication from/to port x externally to be read/write by port y internally
01:36<@akerl>that'll do it
01:36<amitz>thx! i wasn't sure
01:37<amitz>better than the git-svn workaround... heh
01:37<rnowak>> >
01:37<praetorian>git-darcs workaround is better.
01:37<@akerl>:> new plan: instead of randomizing SSH port, set up a cron to randomize my iptables PREROUTING rule
01:37<sary>so if my domain is the the hostname for FQDN should be set as for example , right !
01:38<JoeK>i wonder
01:38<JoeK>can iptables run into an infinite loop?
01:38<@akerl>JoeK: Yes
01:38<JoeK>say, i have port 80 to redirect to 8080 and 8080 to redirect to 80
01:38<JoeK>infinite lulz
01:39<JoeK>or, a more likely situation would be * to be forwarded to a port inside the wildcard
01:39<@akerl>sary: If your hostname is "fish" and your domain is "", your /etc/hostname should be "fish", and your /etc/hosts should have an entry for "Your.linodes.ip fish"
01:39<JoeK>again, infinite loop
01:39<@akerl>JoeK: I haven't done it within a single machine
01:39<@akerl>Cluster loops are more fun
01:39<amitz>joek: it's a technique used to delay any need of moar ram and hd space indefinitely!!!!111
01:39<JoeK>datacenter wouldnt even know what hit them
01:40<JoeK>i guess sane clients for most protocols would realize whats going on and stop connection
01:40<amitz>just save all your downloaded files in infinite loop
01:40<JoeK>but theres always the indonesian client
01:40<@akerl>JoeK: ICMP :)
01:41<@akerl>I set up two nodes so that any ICMP passed in from a whitelisted third node had source set to $self, dest set to $other_node, and TTL bumped to 64
01:41<rnowak>on the packets, unless modified not to decrement, they would eventually drop out
01:41<@akerl>rnowak: Got that covered (:
01:41<JoeK>even in that ttl
01:41<JoeK>they would cause massive hell
01:41<JoeK>espiecally inside a cluster
01:41<sary>akerl: thanks , you and kyhwana made it clear now .
01:41<@akerl>Nah, not really
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01:42<@akerl>JoeK: Even with the max TTL ping will accept, the packets only make it 2 or 3 trips from Newark to Dallas or back
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01:42<@akerl>If that far
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01:42<Chirag>Is there a list of bandwidth providers that I can see for your Dallas DC?
01:42<JoeK>what about on the same machine or something in the same LAN?
01:42<@akerl>Idk, but yes, that would probably be less pleasant
01:42<JoeK>eg: two machines redirecting ports to each other and/or to another machine configured the same
01:42<JoeK>preferrably 'and'
01:43<@akerl>It worked well for cross-dc because I could set up the rules to build the loop, and then the single TTL rule controlled whether or not it would infinispin
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01:44<rnowak>intertube terrorism
01:44<rnowak>would be hell if you somehow could manage to get an amplification effect on that (:
01:44<@akerl>rnowak: 25 ICMP packets in flight peaked at about 1 megabit/s
01:44<JoeK>wouldnt ICMP traffic be ineffective for... anything reall
01:45<JoeK>large amounts at least
01:45<@akerl>I used ICMP because it was easyish to load the loop via ping
01:45<@akerl>In practice, I'd likely switch to UDP, though the "special" nature of ICMP has some advantages
01:45<JoeK>i was about to say UDP.... for that
01:46<EugeneKay>There was once a patch to OpenVPN to support ICMP transport
01:46<JoeK>UDP at about 1024k packets
01:46<JoeK>in order to bypass hotel wifi last year i used an ICMP proxy
01:46<JoeK>i forget what it was called
01:46<rnowak>~63k jumbo packets with ipv6, awww yeah
01:46<JoeK>it used DNS
01:46<@akerl>JoeK: The end "goal", insofar as there was a goal besides mayhem, was to let me judge "total network status" via the life of the loop
01:47<JoeK>eg: a metric fuckton of packets?
01:47<Defenestrator>ICMP probably is a pretty bad test.. it tends to be throttled/policed
01:47<JoeK>yeah it was pretty slow
01:47<JoeK>i think i got around 3KB/s on a good day
01:47<Defenestrator>or even when it's not, it's more likely to be processed by the switch/router's CPU instead of ASIC I think
01:47<JoeK>but it beat paying $35/day
01:47<Defenestrator>so it's getting handled by something like a crappy 200MHz MIPS
01:48<JoeK>i also had to sacrifice an entire node for it to work
01:48<@akerl>My plan was to NFQUEUE it to python and intentionally induce a delay in the forwarding, so delay by the hardware doesn't worry me
01:48<Defenestrator>I'll have to try the ICMP proxy for the next time in an airport
01:48<JoeK>since it took over BIND
01:49<JoeK>im sure if you google you can find the appropriate software
01:49<JoeK>i did a quick google, found that one, and got it going
01:49<Defenestrator>Taking over BIND's not bad, as long as it doesn't take over the whole interface or something
01:49<JoeK>it did
01:49<Defenestrator>ah, hrm..
01:49<JoeK>at least that solution
01:50<JoeK>im sure if i configured it better i could have both co-exist
01:51<JoeK>yeah, some quick googling showed a few solutions that even gave proper iptables commands so to not destroy bind
01:52<JoeK>i find icmp painful to use even when not doing that kind of stuff
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02:00<amitz>akerl: i believe tje rule is missing outgoing rule?
02:00<@akerl>Do you generally block outgoing?
02:03<amitz>hmm i believe not since the response from the subversiom repository is 200 OK, implying that i'm trying to connect to port 80, where i want to connect to 8080 instead
02:03<amitz>i have reversed the position of 80 and 8080 on the example
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02:04<chirag>Compared to a traditional server, is it safer to have data in a VPS?
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02:05<Defenestrator>It's more insulated from other users on the same server, anyways
02:05<@akerl>amitz: Put your iptables-save in a pastebin?
02:06<chirag>We actually have our own server at and just for data protection thinking of running a VPS
02:06<@akerl>chirag: The primary risk of data loss is via services running within your server, not its physical environment, for any decent provider
02:06<amitz>iptables-save ... will that save my iptables? i want reboot to return everything to normal :-p
02:07<@akerl>amitz: That just outputs the full ruleset to stdout, it won't modify anything
02:08<amitz>ah, btw, i forvot to allow ipv4 forwarding, doez it matter?
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02:17<@akerl>amitz: "-i usb0"?
02:18<MrGlass>so, how do I limit the results of a dql query tot he last 5 object/rows
02:18<amitz>yes, the internet connection comes from usb0 devoce
02:18<amitz>android usb tethering
02:19<MrGlass>wrong chat
02:19<@akerl>amitz: And when you hit port 8080, does the daemon on 8080 respond, or the one on 80?
02:20<amitz>akerl: yes, i should test that assumption... brb
02:21<amitz>oh, fwiw, calling from tjat cliemt still successfully shows linode web
02:22<@akerl>wait... are you setting up these rules on the client or the server?
02:22<amitz>also, note that i'm trying to male, in analogy, webbrowser calling to be redirecyed to lonode:8080
02:23<amitz>i'm tinkering with the client
02:23<@akerl>definitely not sure how you'd do that on the client
02:25<@akerl>probably want it in postrouting rather than pre?
02:25<amitz>maybe, let me try
02:26<@akerl> <-- pretty picture from where I drew that guess
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02:29<amitz>postrouting hates -i. alzo after i del the -i, it says: rexirect target: used from hooks postrouting, but only usable from prerouting/output
02:30<amitz>i need to learn iptables one of these dayz...
02:33<amitz>argh, limited input sirface
02:34<dr_jkl>sleep or perl...
02:34*dr_jkl chooses perl
02:34<dr_jkl>i can sleep in a few hours :D
02:35<dr_jkl>JoeK: i LOLed
02:37<XReaper>I loled at you lolling
02:38<XReaper>JoeK: heahha
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02:45<XReaper>:/ now to get uwsgi to cooperate with nginx
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03:08<dr_jkl>nnnng my brain
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04:22<Bastian>hi :) im saler... || Paypal full information already balance $440 || CC ( Card Credit) limit balance to $460++ || price for paypal $90 || price for CC $60 ||
04:23<Kyh_>kb for spam plz
04:23<Bastian>im not spam :))
04:23<Bastian>just offer
04:23<hawk>funny guy is funny
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04:23<Kyh_>or caker
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04:38<meskarune>time for breakfast
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04:45<Peng>time for teletubbies
04:45<meskarune>I was forced to watch that show every day in HS
04:45<meskarune>the kids I babysat loved that shizzle
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05:53<kingdutch>My putty is somehow seriously slow to respond when connecting to my linode, sometimes freezing for half a minute :|
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05:54<Kyh_>kingdutch: uhm
05:55<Kyh_>kingdutch: you mean putty is locking up or your connection to your linode is "slow"?
05:55<Kyh_>If the latter, run a mtr and pastebin it
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06:10<kingdutch>I believe the first
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06:11<kingdutch>It's pretty speedy most of the time, just tends to hang sometimes
06:12<kingdutch>Kyh_: ^
06:15<Kyh_>uh, either your linode is "hanging" because you're doing lots of IO or something on it or your internets are being slow/etc
06:21<kingdutch>I'm betting on the latter
06:21<@jchen>do an mtr report
06:22<linbot>New news from forum: Website can't be accessed with in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
06:24<@jchen>tunnelbroker :(
06:24<kingdutch>I now get a "Host unreachable" when trying to tracert again
06:25<Kyh_>try via v4? How are you getting your ipv6 connectivity?
06:25<@jchen>kingdutch: it looks like you're using an ipv6 tunnel
06:26<@jchen>and something is broken on their end
06:26<kingdutch>via ipv4 it's fine, I'd like to use IPv6 though, we'll all have to in a year or 2 anyway
06:27<@jchen>well, in a year or two hopefully you'll have native
06:27<@jchen>so use ipv4 for now
06:27<kingdutch>Just google waht a tunnelbroker is, basically it's ipv6 over ipv4?
06:27<Kyh_>kingdutch: how are you getting ipv6? you want native, so bug your ISP
06:27<kingdutch>That's kinda stupid
06:27<@jchen>not really
06:27<Kyh_>kingdutch: yeah well, get native v6 from your ISP
06:27<kingdutch>Not sure Kyh, maybe my router's too old or my ISP is behind
06:27<kingdutch>I'll just use ipv4 for now I guess
06:28<kingdutch>ipv4 is speedy : )
06:28<@akerl>the speed has very little to do with 4 vs 6...
06:29<@akerl>Your *route* can differ, but the 4 v. 6 part is not the issue
06:30<kingdutch>tracert over ipv4 takes me a lot shorter than a tracert over ipv6 though
06:30*akerl traceroutes sanity
06:31<@jchen>kingdutch: thats because you were using a tunnel....?
06:31<kingdutch>Maybe something else you can help me with, not ipv4/6 related but I use fetchmail to fetch mail from different sources and I want to add another user to it, in fetchmail though I can just specify which user to deliver to, why do most guides tell me that fetchmail will put everything into one user account and I need procmail to sort it?
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06:32<kingdutch>jchen: Apparantly, but since I don't know how to get rid of hte tunnel I'll just use ipv4 instead
06:32<@akerl>kingdutch: Does it work with fetchmail?
06:32<meskarune>fill yer tunnel with concrete. :)
06:33<kingdutch>akerl: I don't know I haven't actually added a second account yet, but if I look at the options, it should work =/
06:34<@akerl>kingdutch: If you can do it, the guides are dumb. If you can't do it, I'd suggest listening to the guides :)
06:34<kingdutch>I can do "is <user> here"
06:34<kingdutch>I'd assume that works : )
06:34<Peng>kingdutch: The length of a route doesn't necessarily have anything to do with latency or throughput.
06:35<Peng>Hey, that looks like 6to4, not
06:35<@jchen> = tunnelbroker tho
06:36<Peng>jchen: " [2001:470:0:161::2]" == 6to4 tho
06:36<Peng>jchen: HE runs 6to4 as well.
06:37<Peng>jchen: Traceroute or 2002:: from a Dallas node. :)
06:37<@jchen>oh heh
06:38<Peng>Now, HE sometimes flings traceroute/ICMP ECHO response packets out of strange interfaces, so it's *possible* it's a tunnel, but I doubt it...
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06:43<linbot>New news from forum: Website can't be accessed with in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
06:43<meskarune>has anyone used the mongoose web server? how does it compare to lighttp?
06:46<rnowak>is it web scale? > >
06:47<@akerl>rnowak: I hear mongoose is badass rock star tech
06:48<rnowak>oh man
06:48<rnowak>though how it compares to lighttp? probably favorably, considering a pile of poo does too
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06:49<rnowak>I will now be afk and won't be able to read all your hate
06:49<Peng>rnowak: Don't worry, I'll wirelessly think hate in your direction.
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06:52*Chukwumah slaps XReaper around a bit with a large trout
06:52<Chukwumah>please cek my send ticket
06:53<Chukwumah>user name Chukwumah
06:53<Chukwumah>i can`t sing in
06:54<@akerl>Chukwumah: Sore throat?
06:56*Peng hits akerl
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07:04<Anomie>My server isn't sending out mails via PHP properly (its been doing it fine for years - not sure whats went wrong). Can anyone help? I thought gmail was blocking it first as spam but just set up a free email and it's not coming through to their either
07:04<Kyh_>Anomie: start by checking your logs
07:05<Anomie>Kyh_: Which in particular? mail.log, php.log ?
07:05<Kyh_>whatever you're using to send email, yes.
07:05<@akerl>(your smtp)
07:09<Anomie>my mail.log:
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07:10<Anomie>Doesn't seem like theres anything there I should be worrying about - or am I missing something?
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07:10<Kyh_>Anomie: what email address are you trying to send from?
07:11<Anomie>Kyh_: I think I've just realised the problem -.-
07:11<Anomie>I had '[your-name] <[your-email]>' in my from field
07:11<Anomie>must've pasted it in there by accident
07:13<Anomie>hmm, mail still not coming through tho
07:18<@akerl>Anomie: Pastebin the mail log from your most recent testing?
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07:20<@akerl>What's up with all the reject lines?
07:20<@akerl>Those look like garbage addresses
07:22<Anomie>Does NOQUEUE: reject mean someone elses server is rejecting my outgoing mail or my server is rejecting incoming mail?
07:26<Yaakov>Another lovely morning on campus:
07:27<Yaakov>Same PoV as this one:
07:27<@akerl>We definitely don't get skies like that in NJ
07:27<Yaakov>akerl: But you have MUCH better weather.
07:28<Yaakov>I do like the skies, but I miss having four real seasons and not being snowbound.
07:31<@jchen>also Yaakov our weather is pretty bad too
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07:31<@akerl>VA has nice weather :)
07:31<@jchen>tell that to aws
07:31<Yaakov>jchen: In the parking lot: and
07:32<@jchen>woah, is cray
07:32<Yaakov>jchen: I pulled into the parking lot and saw that. Got it with my Canon point and shoot.
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07:37<Yaakov>jchen: Here's a shot I took in total darkness. the only lights were the ones you can see and a set of construction lights on a job off camera. The sky was black. it was a 15 second exposure, the max my Canon will allow. It's on a little pocket tripod on the sidewalk.
07:37<@jchen>cool. what school is that
07:38<Yaakov>Notre Dame
07:38<@jchen>nc <3
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07:38<@jchen>it is in nc right
07:38<@jchen>nvm im an idiot
07:38<Yaakov>It's in Notre Dame.
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07:40<Yaakov>jchen: Also, this one:
07:41<Yaakov>I have a lot of those. :)
07:41<Yaakov>We get some serious clouds.
07:41<@jchen>there's no way you have worse weather than us
07:41<@jchen>we get serious storms
07:41<dwfreed>and hurricanes on occasion
07:42<@jchen>you're in indiana.... unless there's a tornado, you're fine
07:42<Yaakov>The rage tree:
07:43<@jchen>the wut tree
07:43<Yaakov>We get some intense t-storms that aren't tornadic but tear down trees and things.
07:43<Yaakov>jchen: When you see it, you can't unsee it. Look for a mouth low and an eye above.
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07:45<@jchen>hahahaah ya
07:45<Yaakov>Poor tree, it just gets ignored.
07:45<Yaakov>But its so upset!
07:47<Yaakov>Ugh, firmware update! Must reboot.
07:48<dwfreed>wee reboots
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07:56<Yaakov>OK, now my machine will be more reliable waking up and will support Power Nap!
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08:44<praetorian>my website cant be accessed with either.
08:44<auraka>praetorian: you suck...thats why
08:44<praetorian>this is besides the fact
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09:29<meskarune>damn. you just got that chordettes song stuck in my head
09:30<meskarune>don't google it 'cus it will get stuck in your head as well :P
09:31*Peng tries to combine lollipops and tellytubbies
09:31<Peng>That reminds me of Caramelldansen.
09:33*rnowak puts Peng on the list
09:33<rnowak>THE(!) LIST!
09:34<Peng>rnowak: The list? Is that like the game?
09:34*XReaper gives list a cookie
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09:36<kingdutch>I hate how e-mail clients wont just let me enter an IP + username/pass for the webserver and instead all try to be smart about it with an e-mail address >.<
09:38<hawk>kingdutch: You mean mail server?
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09:40<Anomie>I just received this. Is someone using my server to send spam or just my TLD? :
09:42<kingdutch>Stupid android e-mail client
09:43<hawk>Anomie: Do you have your own tld? Not sure what you are really saying...
09:43*marius looks for wp questions
09:43<hawk>kingdutch: What did it do?
09:43<Anomie>hawk: Sorry not tld, just meant domain
09:44<kingdutch>So I can't set up my e-mail
09:44<kingdutch>Atleast in thunderbird I can hackishly bypass that limitation, then change it up to make it work and add some more send e-mails
09:44<Anomie>hawk: meant to type fqdn
09:44<hawk>kingdutch: I think you are confused
09:45<meskarune>kingdutch: have you installed a mail server on your host machine?
09:45<kingdutch>I can connect just fine from thunderbird
09:45<kingdutch>Ichecked the logs, the android app want's to login with user: "kingdutch@ip", thunderbird correclty connects with user "kingdutch"
09:45<kingdutch>There's no way to tell the android app to just use kingdutch instead of kingdutch@ip, if I add kingdutch as e-mail, the continue button won't light up untill I input an '@'
09:46<hawk>kingdutch: You are supposed to enter the full email address in the email field, obviously... then at a later stage you get to change the username if it differs
09:47<kingdutch>no I don't..
09:47<kingdutch>That's the problem
09:47<kingdutch>It won't let me change the username
09:47<kingdutch>Or it might, but it first tries to connect with what it thinks is right, then fails and won't let me continue, so if there is the option to change it, I can't get there..
09:48<hawk>kingdutch: Then you have some different version than I have ever used
09:49<kingdutch>Just the standard "Email" client on android
09:49<linbot>New news from forum: Citadel permission denied in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
09:49<kingdutch>could be that samsung changed it, I did have to accept the Social Hub license agreement thing
09:49<hawk>kingdutch: I recognize the behavior that it guesses the username based on the email address... but in every version I have used you get to change the username if you need to
09:51<hawk>I have never used any Samsungized "Email" application, only the vanilla one.
09:53<kingdutch>k-9 mail crashes on me >.>
09:53<kingdutch>thought I'd try that
09:53<kingdutch>no dice
09:54*hawk still wonders if you are doing it wrong or just misunderstanding something... Otherwise it sounds really screwed up
09:56<kingdutch>Don't think I'm doing anything wrong
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10:02<XReaper>heckman: that's nooby
10:02<XReaper>killall5 -9
10:02<XReaper>from what i've read kills off all of inits child processes
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10:03<kingdutch>hawk: from a review site "My own Android phone came with two mail clients. One of these was labelled simply "Email" and was quite unusable. The second, which I've only recently found, is called My Email. I had been under the impression that both were the same app, but I couldn't have been more wrong!"
10:06<hawk>Not sure how that is relevant? (Other than someone not liking to Email application for unspecified reasons.
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10:09<kingdutch>Well.. I'm finding it's unusable too
10:09<kingdutch>So I'm not the only one having trouble with it
10:10<kingdutch>And he's talking about 2 different apps which might mean you're using a diff app than I am
10:10<kingdutch>I'm using the sucky one
10:10<hawk>I'm using the vanilla one named "Email", I have no idea what you use
10:10<kingdutch>hmm idk
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10:11<kingdutch>I'm now using MailDroid
10:11<kingdutch>Which works
10:11<kingdutch>and syncs with my thunderbid client
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10:22<kingdutch>I should probably just get a domain name and set up the right subdomains (imap for imap, mail for smtp)
10:26<Best72>what are you running on?
10:26<Best72>< bit late to the chat..
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10:45<Dean_>Hey. Any way to find out what the original Reverse DNS was of a Linode?
10:46<Dean_>Is it just the 'linode???????'?
10:47<stevepiercy>Does anyone here use Linode for web apps, but use a third party for storage? We need to allow the users to read and write to the storage.
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10:48<@ericoc>Dean_: if you open a ticket, we can let you know
10:48<Dean_>ericoc: er, can you just tell me now? in the middle of something ...
10:48<Dean_>it's linode213370 if that helps
10:49<@heckman>Dean_: we don't usually provide information like that across IRC.
10:49<Dean_>it's a hostname, not bank details
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10:50<Peng>Dean_: Hint: Check the reverse DNS of your neighboring IPs in the same /24. Most of them are probably still using the default. Then swap your IP's last octet into it.
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10:54<Dean_>ericoc: thanks, if they try to sack you, you can blame linbot now >.<
10:54<Dean_>erococ: when attempting to change it back to that, it only seems to want to do it for the v4 address
10:55<@ericoc>there's no AAAA record for host names
10:56<@ericoc>you can set the reverse dns for an ipv6 address to the address itself if you want
10:56<Dean_>thanks :)
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12:54<EugeneKay>hawk - take a look at K9. It's about 9000% better than the AOSP Email.apk(and 90,000% better than the ones that manufacturers theme).
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13:02<linbot>New news from forum: crontab -e no longer working; old crontab running in General Discussion <>
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13:07<hawk>EugeneKay: Yeah, I probably should. I've heard positive remarks for k9 on several occasions. In this discussion however I somehow ended up defending the AOSP Email application in terms of it supporting usernames. :)
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13:19<XReaper>FFFF energy drinks
13:19<XReaper>hate them
13:21<MajObviousman>so I'm reading up on Openstack Swift
13:21<MajObviousman>our vendor has a swift-compatible storage layer that we're considering
13:22<MajObviousman>but I can't discern if there's a way to mount as a fuse device (or other) and rsync my data to it
13:22<XReaper>EugeneKay: but I <3 AOSP
13:22<XReaper>I run an AOSP phone, after all
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13:22<XReaper>eww fuse
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13:52<Peng>MajObviousman: Welll, Swift is equivalent to S3. Object storage. So my first answer would be no, unless someone's made the equivalent of one of those fuse-s3 hacks. However, Rackspace is working on a mountable storage product (i.e. EBS), and I don't know if that's part of Swift or anotehr OpenStack project or not.
13:55<MajObviousman>that's more what I'm thinking, yes
13:55*MajObviousman is starting with Softlayer since they've got most of his assets already
13:55<MajObviousman>would be free transfer across their private backbone
13:56<Peng>:O not Rackspace.
13:56<MajObviousman>how perceptive
13:57<Peng>MajObviousman: FWIW, the Rackspace EBS-like product is called Cloud Block Storage, if you want to do research.
13:57<MajObviousman>Peng: thanks
13:57<Peng>MajObviousman: future product.
13:57<MajObviousman>know of the ETA?
13:57<Peng>I think you can sign up for the preview release now.
13:57<MajObviousman>well, it's a good data point. Thanks
13:58<Peng>If you're not fond of your data.
13:58<MajObviousman>I am, my boss is less so
13:58<Peng>I doubt it'd be remotely mountable over the Internet, but it might be worth researching, anyway, to see how it fits into OpenStack.
13:58<MajObviousman>as in, we lost two servers full of client data due to a tiny oops in our script
13:58<Peng>Or you could just sign up for Rackspace. :P
13:59<MajObviousman>I nearly broke my jaw keeping it clamped shut so I didn't yell out I TOLD YOU SO
13:59*MajObviousman looks at languishing ticket in the proposals queue dated to late February, "Need to get comprehensive backup on these servers before something bad happens"
13:59<MajObviousman>at least we're still in beta
14:00<MajObviousman>and all the beta customers we hoped to convert to paying customers here soon are nervous
14:01<Peng>jchen: Well, I much prefer Linode's OpenSt -- oh wait
14:01<Peng>jchen: :P
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14:03<EugeneKay>Xen is pretty open.
14:03<Peng>How can it be when it's not called OpenXen?
14:03<Peng>(I don't actually need Swift for anything, BTW.)
14:03<Peng>(I would like more cheap mounted POSIX storage, though.)
14:04<MajObviousman>here's my struggle, and perhaps some of you have already gone through this and can light the way for me
14:04<MajObviousman>we have no physical server assets. We lease everything
14:05<MajObviousman>Softlayer has file vaults and nas attached storage and yadda yadda, all horribly expensive
14:05<MajObviousman>as in, it would be cheaper to just double the HDs in the damn server and reserve half of them for backup
14:05<MajObviousman>or lease an entire server with gobs of HD just for backups, which is another option for us
14:05<Peng>If you like horribly expensive, you'll love Racks -- >.>
14:06<EugeneKay>There are no non-shitty(aka non-horribly-expensive) a la carte server providers.
14:06<Peng>I stop only because SoftLayer could be worse for all I know.
14:06<MajObviousman>at my old job we had a rack room and our own server hardware and yadda yadda yadda
14:07<MajObviousman>tape library, tivoli, whole nine yards
14:07<MajObviousman>worked pretty well, was kinda slow but reliable
14:07<MajObviousman>and expensive, but that's expected
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14:28<MajObviousman>has anyone used this before?
14:28<MajObviousman>or have opinions on r1soft?
14:30<Peng>One of Linode's competitors uses r1soft.
14:31<@jchen>we have no competitors
14:31<EugeneKay>It's called LVM.
14:31<EugeneKay>Use it.
14:31<@heckman>^ this
14:32<LiquidAtom>I'd say Linode's only competition is itself.
14:32<MajObviousman>last time I did a LVM point-in-time I broke something horribly
14:32<MajObviousman>but then, that was around 4 years ago
14:33*MajObviousman still uses lvm everywhere, just not that feature
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14:37<LiquidAtom>Awesome, fail2ban is not working. This makes me sad. :(
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14:40<Anniepoo> installing postfix, I can send out but not receive. MX record appears correct for
14:41<MajObviousman>Anniepoo: check to see that you've opened ports in the firewall
14:41<MajObviousman>port 25
14:41<MajObviousman>and if you've got users outside the box sending mail from that mta, port 587 as well
14:41*Anniepoo displays cluelessness how to open ports in linux
14:41<MajObviousman>!library firewall
14:41<linbot>MajObviousman: 1. Firewall Guides - | 2. Configure a Firewall with Arno Iptables in Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Securing Your Server -
14:42<MajObviousman>that should get you started
14:42<Peng>!dig any
14:42<linbot>Peng: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 180 IN SOA 1343255512 600 180 86400 180
14:42<MajObviousman>or that
14:42<MajObviousman>!dig ns
14:42<linbot>MajObviousman: [dig] status: NXDOMAIN | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION 180 IN SOA 1343255512 600 180 86400 180
14:43<MajObviousman>that's where to start
14:43<LiquidAtom>Nice informative error... Aug 2 18:36:18 omgc00kie fail2ban.actions.action: ERROR iptables -D INPUT -p tcp --dport ssh -j fail2ban-SSH#012iptables -F fail2ban-SSH#012iptables -X fail2ban-SSH returned 100
14:43<Peng>!dns6 mx
14:43<linbot>Peng: 1
14:43<Peng>220 ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
14:43<Peng>That's port 25.
14:44<MajObviousman>guess it's open then ^_^
14:45<Anniepoo>okey dokey
14:46<Peng>In other words we ust spent 4 minutes figuring out we haven't figured anything out.
14:46<Anniepoo>well, hmm
14:47<Anniepoo>at this point I've essentially just installed postfix and mailutils
14:47<Peng>I mean, we did rule out one thing as the problem, but...
14:47<Anniepoo>do I need to do something to set up mydestination?
14:47<Peng>!library postfix
14:47<linbot>Peng: 1. Email with Postfix, Dovecot and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 2. Postfix Guides - | 3. Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny) -
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14:48<Anniepoo>ok, will follow all this
14:49<MajObviousman>hope you brought your hip waders
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15:41<Anniepoo>I am at the step "Setting up Domains and Users" and am wondering if I need to do this for root and or fmaster
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15:50<Chris___>if [ -n "$string" ]; then echo "The string is empty"; elif [ ! -n "$string" ]; then echo "The string is not empty"; else echo "I'm not sure how you got here, but I think you just won at bash."; fi
15:52<hawk>Chris___: That looks backwards to me...?
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15:52<@akerl>Chris___: -n is "not zero"
15:53<@akerl>if -z then it's empty
15:53<MajObviousman>it is
15:53<MajObviousman>yeah -z
15:53<MajObviousman>for zero length
15:53<Anniepoo>I have an alias database loop in postfix
15:53<Anniepoo>which one should I remove?
15:53<hawk>I think Chris___ just lost at bash (or att test or whatever he actually lost at)
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15:55<MajObviousman>I think we were supposed to laugh at the else condition
15:56<hawk>MajObviousman: in soviet russia the else condition laughs at you
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15:58<MajObviousman>good thing I don't live there
15:58<MajObviousman>they kill people with polonium and stuff
16:01<Anniepoo>Is there anybody on from linode?
16:01<@akerl>Anniepoo: I work for Linode, but I'm currently from VA
16:02<Anniepoo>ok, mind a question?
16:02<Anniepoo>I I have an alias database loop in postfix,
16:02<@akerl>you're welcome to ask; there's a decent bet one of these other chaps will be better able to answer though
16:03<Anniepoo>I'm wondering which one to remove
16:03<@akerl>Anniepoo: Random side question: what OS are you running?
16:04<Anniepoo>hang on
16:04<@akerl>I'd remove it from your database if it's already in the config, btw, but I am not an expert w/ postfix
16:05<Anniepoo>ubuntu 10.04 LTS
16:06<Anniepoo>attempting to set up postfix following
16:06<@akerl>Anniepoo: You realize you're linking to the 9.10 guide, right?
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16:06<Anniepoo>is there a more recent one?
16:07<Anniepoo>8cD well, that was a waste of the last 4 hours
16:07<@akerl>The guide is likely almost identical, if not identical
16:07<@akerl>I'd suggest checking before scrapping things
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16:08<Anniepoo>appears identical
16:11<Anniepoo>so which db entry are you suggesting I remove?
16:11<@akerl>your virtual_domains is a mysql table, right?
16:12<Anniepoo>I have a table 'domains'
16:12<Anniepoo>has one entry,
16:13<Anniepoo>I'll try removing that
16:14<Anniepoo>Aug 2 15:13:45 uhhhpvirtual postfix/local[22256]: warning: alias database loop for postmaster
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16:26<@jchen>akerl *THINKS* he's "from VA"... he's actually a fist pumper through and through
16:27<@akerl>har har
16:32<Anniepoo>well, I'm enbaffled
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16:39<purrdeta>Anniepoo: check /etc/aliases
16:40<purrdeta>Make sure that postmaster isn't pointing to something that points back to it.
16:43<Anniepoo>postmaster: root
16:43<Anniepoo>tried adding ; before postmaster already, didn't cure it
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16:44<Anniepoo>did I use wrong comment char maybe?
16:44<purrdeta>I think it is #
16:44<@akerl>Anniepoo: Um... do you see the loop?
16:44<purrdeta>oh right
16:44<purrdeta>silly me
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16:46<purrdeta>ok so you have a few issues there from the log you posted earlier and the loop comes from the fact that piaget. is listed in both virtual and mydestination.
16:47<Anniepoo>appreciate the help
16:47<purrdeta>If it was only listed in virtual, /etc/aliases would not even be checked.
16:48<Anniepoo>i'm not actually sure where these files/db entries/ whatever they are are located
16:48<purrdeta>which ones?
16:48<Anniepoo>I know I've got two things called virtual and mydestination
16:48<@akerl>Anniepoo: If you followed that linode guide, the virtual domains is a mysql table
16:48<Anniepoo>called domains?
16:50<Anniepoo>has a single line,
16:50<Anniepoo>remove that?
16:50<purrdeta>Well maybe, what the hell are you trying to do.
16:50<Anniepoo>get email in and out of gthis box
16:50<purrdeta>and you want the email domain to e yes?
16:50<purrdeta>for all users? or do you want it to be
16:50<Anniepoo>sounds good to me
16:51<Anniepoo>I believe I've told it in a mass of places
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16:52<purrdeta>Ok well, mydestination and virtual domains cannot be the same so you gotta choose one. If you remove it from virtual, it will act way different than if it is in mydestination. What is the FQDN of the server?
16:52<Takyoji>Any advice or precautions to be taken for upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04?
16:52<purrdeta>ok so generally, that is mydestination and you have something else for your virtual (such as
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16:53<Anniepoo>I updated the db, what do I have to do to get it seen?
16:53<purrdeta>you can restart postfix I believe to expidite things.
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16:55<Anniepoo>that at least changed the message
16:55<Anniepoo> to say I don't have a user named support
16:56<purrdeta>paste the log?
16:56<Anniepoo>(the page I'm going by says to name 'sales')
16:56<Anniepoo>sure, hang on
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16:59<purrdeta>I ask this and it will sound harsh, so just read it as happy as you can: Do you know what you are doing at all or are you just following a guide?
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16:59<Anniepoo>the latter
16:59<MajObviousman>has anybody here had trouble with duplicity being unreliable? E.g. backup failing but still reporting success?
16:59<Anniepoo>which is frustrating
17:00<@akerl>MajObviousman: Ouch. Are you running into that?
17:00<staticsafe>MajObviousman: hmm all is well with my backup scripts, what version of duplicity is this?
17:00<purrdeta>It is and maintaining a mailserver without knowing what it is doing can be extremely painful. In the immediate moment, I can help you but you'll need to learn to be self-sufficient :).
17:00<MajObviousman>I'm not, but I was chatting with somebody else who related a story
17:00<@akerl>Or use google apps, which is <3
17:00<purrdeta>So did you create a support user in the SQL table, Anniepoo
17:00<Anniepoo>I'm actually a decent engineer - I'm just not a linux sysadmin. I run a one woman shop,
17:00<purrdeta>yeah google apps is easy as can be ane free for up to 10 users.
17:01<Anniepoo>oh, foo
17:01<purrdeta>and what is the domain in SQL?
17:01<Anniepoo>yah, it's, hang on
17:02<staticsafe>I dumped SQL based accounts in favour of system accounts since I only have a couple of them anyways
17:02<purrdeta>ah yes, that works well too. I did that for ages before I decided to just overcomplicate in an attempt to make easier. Which worked for the record :P
17:03<Anniepoo>well, I'm happy with anything that gets me a couple freaking email addy's
17:03<staticsafe>purrdeta: also I recently switched to OpenDKIM for DKIM signing, also does DKIM checking, works really well
17:04<MajObviousman>so duplicity works well for you?
17:04<staticsafe>MajObviousman: like a charm
17:04<MajObviousman>it's v 0.6.13-1 btw
17:04<purrdeta>Anniepoo: you may be interested in Google Apps then. Very very easy to set up and very little maintenance
17:04<purrdeta>staticsafe: what did you used to use?
17:04<MajObviousman>from debian squeeze
17:04<staticsafe>purrdeta: amavisd
17:04<MajObviousman>there's probably something newer out there, but I'm less interested in features and far more interested in simple reliability
17:04<staticsafe>MajObviousman: hrm I'm using the version from squeeze as well
17:04<purrdeta>oh right I helped you with that silly me
17:05<purrdeta>So do you still use amavisd? Why'd you switch?
17:05<MajObviousman>that puts me more at ease
17:05<Anniepoo>several people have recommended google apps
17:05<Anniepoo>but apparently it's out only
17:05<Anniepoo>(or in only, at this point my brain's getting scrambled)
17:05<purrdeta>no it is not.
17:05<staticsafe>purrdeta: OpenDKIM works much better, I don't have to do trickery like with amavisd to get it to only sign outgoing
17:05<purrdeta>it is definitely both
17:06<purrdeta>staticsafe: ah that would be pleasing. Do you still use amavisd?
17:06<staticsafe>purrdeta: yea as a spam checker
17:07<purrdeta>Eh I probably wont switch it since why break what isnt broken but I do like to learn
17:07<Anniepoo>I've struggled with google apps a bit
17:08<purrdeta>how so?
17:09<Anniepoo>so if I'm on google apps, I have everything coming from a gmail acct?
17:09<purrdeta>I mean, you'll use the gmail interface but your "From" address will be your domain name.
17:09<Anniepoo>that'd work for me
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17:09<purrdeta>staticsafe: googled it. It looks a lot easier.
17:09<Anniepoo>though at the moment I feel like I'm close to having this thing running
17:10<staticsafe>purrdeta: indeed, the config is really easy
17:10<purrdeta>Anniepoo: you are, but maintaining it might be a problem.
17:10<purrdeta>staticsafe: hmm intersting. You only have one domain yes?
17:10<staticsafe>purrdeta: yes, but you can do config for multiple easily I assume
17:11<purrdeta>hmm I shall investigate. I assume it is lightweight yes?
17:11<squircle>staticsafe / purrdeta: we talkin' amavis?
17:11<staticsafe>nope, opendkim
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17:11<purrdeta>squircle: I use amavis for everything though
17:11<staticsafe>purrdeta: yes it is very lightweight
17:11<squircle>i was so thankful when I got rid of amavis
17:11<squircle>such a hog
17:11<purrdeta>squircle: how did you get rid of it?
17:11<squircle>purrdeta: spamass-milter
17:11<Anniepoo>oh, won't work for me
17:11<purrdeta>I've been looking for ways to get rid of it. It is such a bitch
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17:12<purrdeta>squircle: so it still uses spamassassin but I just thought that spamassassin was the problem here.
17:12<staticsafe>spamass-milter - milter for filtering mail through spamassassin
17:12<purrdeta>Anniepoo: why not?
17:12<squircle>purrdeta: nope. spamassassin is quite lightweight.
17:12<purrdeta>I guess I'll put that on my todolist
17:12<Anniepoo>I need postfix, cuase opensim needs to do email in to arbitrary email user name
17:12<squircle>purrdeta: everything I used amavis for (greylisting, spamassassin, dkim) can be replaced with milters
17:12<staticsafe>squircle: well, time to mess with the mail server again xD
17:12<purrdeta>Anniepoo: you can use postfix or exim in a send only format.
17:12<squircle>i <3 my mailserver
17:13<purrdeta>I love mine too actually. I use postgrey
17:13<purrdeta>I just want to get rid of amavis >.>
17:13<Anniepoo>the server's a virtual world server - in a VW you can email an object , like, and have the object do something
17:14<purrdeta>Anniepoo: oh I see. Then yes, you'll need your own mail server.
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17:14<Anniepoo>hmm.... well, I'm a busy kitty, are you telling me to go buy a postfix manual and spend the next week on this?
17:14<purrdeta>squircle: so uh... what *IS* a milter anyway. I've heard of them forever but dont know
17:14<Anniepoo>cause if that's what's needed ,I'm happy to do it
17:15<purrdeta>Anniepoo: that might be best. Though everything you need is free on the internet probably.
17:15<nenolod_>opensim :D
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17:15<squircle>purrdeta: mail filter. it's something that postfix/sendmail/whatever passes mail to before or after the queue
17:15<purrdeta>Anniepoo: I can help you get it working initially but I cant help you with getting it working in your usecase
17:15<purrdeta>squircle: ooooh! I had no idea. lol
17:15<squircle>purrdeta: think of it like this: postfix pipes a message to a milter that pipes is back to postfix
17:15<purrdeta>seems obvious now I guess
17:15<Anniepoo>nenolod - yup, opensim
17:16<squircle>then I have dovecot move things with a high spam score into a junk box
17:16<squircle>or sometimes the milter just discards them
17:16<squircle>also, DNSBL <3
17:16<nenolod>has the opensim alternative to L$ worked out?
17:16<purrdeta>I guess what I sorta liked about amavis was that I could implement per user stuff with LDAP but that isnt really necessary to be honest.
17:16<staticsafe>squircle: interesting the spamass-milter init script already does the socket setup for postfix \o/
17:16<squircle>purrdeta: √
17:16<Anniepoo>ok, sounds like I'm off to O'Reilly - 8cP
17:16<squircle>staticsafe: yep!
17:17<purrdeta>staticsafe: so how does OpenDKIM know when to sign a mail?
17:17<Anniepoo>well, I'm getting tired of having this be a high insanity task anyway
17:17<purrdeta>Anniepoo: np. You may even enjoy this. :P
17:18<Anniepoo>sure - I'm sure it'll be as much fun as oral surgery or a hemmeroidectomy
17:18<Anniepoo>might even be as enjoyable as childbirth
17:18<purrdeta>*shrug* I actually enjoy it but to each his own
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17:19<squircle>I enjoy a good challenge every now and again
17:19<staticsafe>purrdeta: smtpd_milters and non_smtpd_milters in
17:19<staticsafe>you specify the inet or unix socket you setup opendkim with
17:19<Anniepoo>nenolod - dunno about opensim and currencies. I work for a university, we teach in SL, I'm moving us to Opensim
17:19<staticsafe>set up*
17:20<purrdeta>staticsafe: hmm this is confusing me for some reason. I send email via authorized SMTP most of the time so...?
17:20<staticsafe>purrdeta: what is the confusing part?
17:21<purrdeta>I just don't see how it knows what to sign. I'm sure I'm being an idiot.
17:21<purrdeta>With amavis, I had to tell it that only outgoing mail is received from this port.
17:22<squircle>purrdeta: postfix knows whether something is incoming or outgoing and can send to milters accordingly
17:22<purrdeta>I guess that makes sense, but I wasnt thinking.
17:23<squircle>look at the diagram on the link I sent you; it should clear things up
17:23<Anniepoo>purrdeta, any recommendations for email lernin' ?
17:24<squircle>for instance, non-smtp filters are great for spamassassin since you may not want to filter outbound mail
17:24<purrdeta>Anniepoo: since you have an idea of what you want, what I did is read through tutorials on similar things and tried to piece together the whole. Similarly the postfix documentation is fairly nice as well
17:24<squircle>Anniepoo: the docs for postfix are fantastic (if that's what you use)
17:24<staticsafe>Aug 2 17:24:19 bender postfix/qmgr[25603]: warning: connect to transport private//var/spool/postfix/spamass/spamass.sock: No such file or directory
17:24<staticsafe>squircle: ^ any ideas?
17:24<purrdeta>squircle: so for OpenDKIM, it would be an smtpd one right? but spamass (for only incoming) would be non_smtp?
17:25<Anniepoo>ok, cool
17:25<Anniepoo>will go read that
17:25<squircle>purrdeta: correct
17:25<squircle>staticsafe: include a double-leading slash somewhere?
17:25<staticsafe>well derp
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17:33<jsh>Hi everyone! Quick question: Am I able to get a custom-spec VPS instead of the standard ones offered to save a few bucks? Thanks.
17:34<purrdeta>jsh: nope
17:34<purrdeta>staticsafe: so like... can I just reuse my already created DKIM keys?
17:34<purrdeta>I'll just try it I suppose
17:34<staticsafe>purrdeta: yes i reused mine
17:35<staticsafe>squircle: Aug 2 17:33:19 bender postfix/smtpd[26383]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/spool/postfix/spamass/spamass.sock: No such file or directory
17:35<purrdeta>oh excellent
17:35<staticsafe>I just checked and it exists
17:35<squircle>staticsafe: permissions
17:35<staticsafe>srw-rw---- 1 postfix postfix 0 Aug 2 17:22 spamass.sock
17:35<squircle>staticsafe: there's your problem
17:36<staticsafe>hrm ok
17:36<staticsafe>lemme fix it
17:37<squircle>staticsafe: there should be a place somewhere where you can change the socket permissions
17:37<squircle>staticsafe: mine are all 777 (they're sockets so it really doesn't matter)
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17:42<purrdeta>squircle: but you'll get HACKEDDDDDDDD
17:43<squircle>OH NOES
17:43*squircle sounds the alarm
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17:45<Nivex>!wx kmmu
17:45<linbot>Nivex: [metar] OBS at KMMU: 89.6F/32C, visibility 10 miles, wind 12.66 mph (altimeter: 29.87) [KMMU 022045Z 27011G15KT 10SM FEW060 32/16 A2987]
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17:46<staticsafe>well still not working hmm
17:46<genku>!wx ginza
17:46<linbot>genku: [metar] GINZA: not found
17:46<squircle>staticsafe: same thing?
17:46<squircle>staticsafe: you don't have postfix chrooted, do you?
17:46<staticsafe>srwxrwxrwx 1 postfix postfix 0 Aug 2 17:45 spamass.sock
17:47<staticsafe>squircle: nope
17:47<squircle>staticsafe: same error?
17:47<staticsafe>Aug 2 17:46:20 bender postfix/smtpd[26684]: warning: connect to Milter service unix:/var/spool/postfix/spamass/spamass.sock: No such file or directory
17:47<squircle>and the socket does exist, right?
17:47<squircle>(i.e. not in /var/run)
17:48<squircle>does /var/run/spamass.sock exist?
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17:49<purrdeta>so squircle, you run spamassassin's spamd?
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17:49<squircle>purrdeta: yep
17:49<purrdeta>hmm I always thought it was evil. I dunno though lol
17:50<staticsafe>squircle: wait it doesn't :o
17:51<staticsafe>there is a /var/run/spamass with in it
17:51<purrdeta>squircle: so why not just use spamd directly with postfix?
17:51<Nivex>speaking of spamd: Aug 2 17:17:57 triton spamd[20697]: error creating a DNS resolver socket: Invalid argument at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/SpamAssassin/ line 235, <GEN1036> line 113.
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17:52<squircle>purrdeta: wait, no, I don't run spamd, sorry
17:53<squircle>purrdeta: getting my two mailservers mixed up
17:53<purrdeta>oh so how does spamass-milter work? I seem to be reading it requires spamd.
17:53<squircle>purrdeta: spamass-milter is more versatile because it can do things like reject messages before they're accepted for queueing
17:53<squircle>purrdeta: it does.
17:54<purrdeta>haha oh silly guides on the internet. y u so wrong sometimes.
17:54<squircle>purrdeta: I just choose to start the daemon only when there's incoming mail
17:54<squircle>purrdeta: it's quite convoluted, I agree
17:54<squircle>staticsafe: change the path to the socket in the milter's config file
17:55<squircle>purrdeta: basically, postfix -> spamass-milter -> spamd -> spamass-milter -> postfix
17:55<purrdeta>hmm interesting
17:55<purrdeta>so for you, spamass-milter starts spamd, only when it must?
17:55<squircle>purrdeta: spamass-milter is used as the intermediary because it's much more versatile
17:55<staticsafe>SOCKET="/var/spool/postfix/spamass/spamass.sock" thats the value atm, what do I change it to?
17:55<squircle>purrdeta: yes, but that's because the machine I use spamass-milter on isn't quite in production yet (1 of 40 sites)
17:56<squircle>staticsafe: where is spamassassin putting its socket?
17:56<purrdeta>oh ok so I shall have spamd start on startup then
17:56<squircle>purrdeta: yeah
17:56<squircle>purrdeta: that's what I'll change it to when it's in production
17:56<purrdeta>oooh ok ok.
17:57<purrdeta>gotta run, if you're around later I may ask a few questions but I'll try to go it alone from here :P
17:57<squircle>i try to be around as often as possible
17:57*MajObviousman hears US national anthem on the TV nearby, guesses the US won another gold
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17:59<Nivex>found a possible solution to my problem. testing:
17:59<squircle>Nivex: I remember reading that article a while ago
18:00<staticsafe>squircle: hrm spamassassin isn't putting a socket anywhere
18:00<squircle>staticsafe: tell it to!
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18:00<squircle>staticsafe: I like mine in /var/run/spamassassin for consistency (same directory as pid file) but you can put it anywhere
18:01<Nivex>I have nameserver ::1 and nameserver I'd like to think it's been falling back to v4, but hopefully this will clear the errors altogether
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18:03<swaj>trying out ubuntu 12.04... I noticed it has what seems to be an application firewall now?
18:04<@heckman>evil distro
18:04<swaj>yeah I'm kinda turned off by that :P
18:05<squircle>what? application firewall?
18:05<@heckman>What does that even mean
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18:05<squircle>OH, that.
18:05<@heckman>I'm not sure firewall is the correct term
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18:05<squircle>i'm used to apparmor from opensuse
18:06<@heckman>I'm pretty sure it's called a chastity belt for your apps
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18:07<swaj>application firewall is basically a means of controlling what an application can do to your system
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18:07<swaj>which in theory is nice, but in practice seems to be more of a pain in the ass :)
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18:12<trippeh>Mwah ha, I'm even running irssi using apparmor
18:12<trippeh>on a dedicated irssi vm!
18:12<trippeh>also confined with apparmor
18:14*heckman golf claps
18:16<linbot>I'm leaving linode for the clouds
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18:25<linbot>New news from forum: crontab -e no longer working; old crontab running in General Discussion <>
18:30<kyhwana>You know what new SEO pisses me off? That stupid javascript copy/paste crap
18:34<@jchen>what javascript copy paste
18:35<@akerl>jchen: Don't worry, you've already been hacked
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18:40<tw12lve>If I setup a Linode now with it's own public IP, can I later setup a nodebalancer and give it that original IP? The reason is right now I won't have the traffic to merit a load balancer but clients will be assigning their domain A record to my IP and when I eventually need a load balancer, I don't want them to have to change it
18:42<GLaDOSDan>I'd be surprised if you couldn't IP Swap between a node and a node balancer
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18:42<tw12lve>Do you just get 1 static IP per linode?
18:42<@akerl>GLaDOSDan: You cannot
18:42<GLaDOSDan>That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard I'm off to godaddy
18:42*praetorian slaps GLaDOSDan
18:43<kyhwana>tw12lve: I don't think you can do that, you'll have to change the IP.. or just get a load balancer now and a single node
18:43<tw12lve>even with an admin performing the swap?
18:43<@akerl>Because NodeBalancers aren't Linodes?
18:43<kyhwana>and yes, you get a single v4 static IP per linode, unless you can justify more (and it's $1/IP in that case)
18:43<tw12lve>I would only need to do this once
18:43<GLaDOSDan>they should be
18:43<@akerl>I just got a serious wave of deja vu
18:44<@akerl>(for the record)
18:44<tw12lve>I would also be running the linode and nodebalancer out of the same datacenter
18:44<tw12lve>Possible with an admin just doing it for me one time?
18:44<@akerl>tw12lve: Why not just change the DNS over when your traffic warrants load balancing?
18:45<eDeloa>Hey all, just wondering if Lenovo is planning on new Thinkpad releases for Windows 8, aside from the tablet. If so, I'm holding out till then. Otherwise, it's time for an upgrade ;)
18:45<praetorian>not sure if this is #linode or #lenovo
18:45<tw12lve>Clients will setup their domain themselves. Since the primary record must be an a record, I have to have them set the IP
18:45<eDeloa>thats praetorian
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18:46<kyhwana>tw12lve: you have to run the lodebalancer out of the same DC, yes
18:46<kyhwana>er, s/l/n
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18:47<tw12lve>kyhwana: Well, yeah. What I meant was I would be doing that so wouldn't that mean the IP allocation block is for the same set of servers? eg, an admin could reassign it manually ?
18:47<praetorian>jchen: go to and copy a couple of paragraphs of text, and paste into a text editor.
18:48<praetorian>tw12lve: there is probably different acl's and firewall rules/routes for a nodebalancer ip to a linode ip; so that would be why they cant
18:48<linbot>New news from forum: Install Virtual Server on a Linode - Is this possible in General Discussion <>
18:48<praetorian>unless you expect them to change all that too .. :p
18:48<kyhwana>tw12lve: no, you can't reassign a linode IP to a nodebalancer/vise versa
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18:49<tw12lve>Ok, so basically, the only way I could do this now without having to pay for a nodebalancer until I need it is to just turn the linode I have now into a load balancer with haproxy or something?
18:49<@akerl>I'm still not sure why changing the DNS isn't an option...
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18:50<tw12lve>Clients of my service have their own domains that I don't control. If they want to point to my server, they have to use an IP
18:50<tw12lve>and I want to keep them from having to update that when I need to upgrade
18:51<tw12lve>I'm planning to offer them the ability to just set their nameserver to mine and I"ll handle it too
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18:51<tw12lve>but for the ones who don't want to do that. I mean, I guess that would be the niche group anyways
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18:52<stomper>hey there
18:52<stomper>hey can i make a question about linux in general?
18:52<retro|blah>If you have to ask, no.
18:52<retro|blah>Try anyway
18:53<tw12lve>Ok, last question about NodeBalancers. Is there a %15 discount on the 24mo like there is on Linodes?
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18:56<@akerl>tw12lve: The discount on annual/biennial is only for Linodes
18:56<tw12lve>Alright, thanks
18:57<ajmitch_>darn, looks like I've got a migration ticket
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19:16<praetorian>ajmitch_: FOR HES GOT A GOLDEN TICKET!
19:17<chesty>i say we pwae
19:17<ajmitch_>praetorian: but it means shutting down irssi!
19:18<praetorian>i think you should put that in the ticket, that's pretty life or death.
19:18<ajmitch_>at least this is just for the personal linode, not the work one
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19:18<chesty>they should be able to suspend to disk, transfer over and restart
19:19<praetorian>i'm sure they re-wrote tcp to work like that too
19:19<ajmitch_>sure, tcp can handle a few minutes downtime
19:20<ajmitch_>ip address wouldn't need to change, I don't think the guest MAC address would either
19:20<chesty>the mac can change though, the other end of the tcp connection wouldn't know
19:21<ajmitch_>it matters for ipv6 & SLAAC
19:23<chesty>what's that?
19:23<praetorian>my ipv has a 6 in it
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19:27<Takyoji>How straightforward is it to start a new Linode VPS, and transfer things over, and swap things?
19:28<KyleXY>from another provider?
19:28<Takyoji>Within Linode, within a datacenter
19:28<KyleXY>Just clone the linode?
19:28<Takyoji>Though the goal is least downtime
19:29<KyleXY>Set up on a blank linode, move stuff over, do an IP Swap.
19:29<Takyoji>I'm intending on playing it safe of starting a 12.04 VPS, and copy from an old 10.04 VPS
19:29<KyleXY>assuming it's all in the same datacenter
19:29<Takyoji>It is
19:29<KyleXY>then just provision a new linode, copy everything over while the other site is live, and do an IP Swap?
19:30<Takyoji>pretty much
19:30<Takyoji>Hopefully it's as simple as it sounds
19:32<chesty>it never is
19:33<Takyoji>then what are common complications?
19:35<chesty>forgetting to do things. you can test things by swapping the ip in /etc/hosts on your desktop
19:35<kyhwana>you'll be copying configs from 10.04 to 12.04?
19:35<Takyoji>I'll be copying over files, copying over VirtualHost configurations for Apache, then trying to recreate everything else
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20:01<linbot>New news from forum: Strange issue when activating a Wordpress theme in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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20:22<staticsafe>squircle, purrdeta I gave up on spamass-milter but what I did instead was set up amavisd on my birthday linode (which was doing like nothing) and set that as the content filter \o/
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20:26<linbot>New news from forum: Site runs Cakephp/Yii/Wordpress in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
20:26<purrdeta>haha :P
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20:27<staticsafe>purrdeta: its a good idea anyways when I set up my second MX
20:27<staticsafe>so it uses a central amavisd server
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20:45<swaj>oh postgres how I love thee... it's been too long since I said it, so I must sing your praises loudly in #linode
20:45<@heckman>What reminded you?
20:46<swaj>started working on a new application, and I got to the part where I started wanting to define my database tables :P
20:46<Takyoji>I would agree that I'm also quite satisfied with Postgres
20:46<Takyoji>It's so pathetic that MySQL still barely even has internal support for IPv6, last I recall
20:46<Takyoji>while Postgres has it, and more
20:48<linbot>New news from forum: crontab -e no longer working; old crontab running in General Discussion <>
20:49<swaj>heh... postgres vs mysql is like comparing a mercedes with one of those plastic rubbermaid cars that small children drive, imo :)
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20:53<linbot>New news from forum: getting reports of SPAM from my vBulletin website in General Discussion <>
20:55<Takyoji>Apache is clearly installed
20:56<Takyoji>Should I just symlink to the actual location of apache2?
20:56<@heckman>Which user are you running that as?
20:56<HoopyCat>what distro is this? how was apache installed?
20:56<Takyoji>Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit
20:57<HoopyCat>Takyoji: ls -l /usr/sbin/apache2 && dpkg -S /usr/sbin/apache2
20:58<Takyoji>Works now
20:58<Takyoji>and it was installed via apt-get
20:59<Takyoji>had to install apache2-mpm-itk
21:00<HoopyCat>ah. not using mod_php, i take it?
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21:01<HoopyCat>still not scottish, but i believe it is decoupled enough that it won't go insane if apache isn't rendered impotent. we'll accept it
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21:22<Takyoji>Would it be a very, very bad idea to copy over users by their entries in /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, and /etc/group? xP
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21:22<Takyoji>or would it be somewhat sound?
21:23<staticsafe>purrdeta: do you know offhand how long postfix waits to resend a deferred e-mail?
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21:35<Anniepoo>purrdeta, thanks for all the advice. Headed to local bookstore for postfix manual
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22:09<dwhite>Does anyone know how to fix this issue on CentOS 6.2? This is a freshly deployed Linode out of London as of tonight....
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22:09<dwhite>every time I try to restart IP Tables, I get this error: "iptables: Setting chains to policy ACCEPT: security raw nat[FAILED]filter"
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22:38<Takyoji>NAILED IT
22:38<Takyoji>Seamless migration
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22:53<EugeneKay>In case dwhite comes back, it's a spurious error message because of RHEL & kin's use of modprobe in the iptables init script, and can be ignored.
22:53<linbot>New news from forum: Two Factor Authentication in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
22:55<auraka>and apparently ifconfig is derpreciated *cries*
22:55<staticsafe>auraka: old news
22:56<auraka>staticsafe: news to way easier than ip
22:56<auraka>also since when did ss become the replacement for netstat......lsof friends
22:56<staticsafe>I don't like ss either but I don't mind ip
22:58<auraka> the top of your head how do you set a default ipv6 gateway
22:58<auraka>with ip
22:59<XReaper>you don't :D fe::80
22:59<XReaper>or something...
22:59<Takyoji>Any reason for connecting to a webserver by one address, and it being sent back from another?
23:00<Takyoji>as of Apache
23:00<XReaper>Takyoji: DID YOU ADD MORE ipv6 addresses
23:00<XReaper>you are using ipv6 right?
23:01<XReaper>I deprecate all my additional ipv6 addresses
23:01<Takyoji>this is in regards of IPv4
23:01<staticsafe>auraka: ip route add ipaddress via gatewayipaddress
23:01<XReaper>you need to DEPRECATE the additional ipv4
23:02<XReaper>if you are so paranoid
23:02<staticsafe>i guess
23:02<auraka>staticsafe: I said no
23:02<staticsafe>auraka: ip route add ipaddress via gatewayipaddress dev eth0
23:02<XReaper>or force the webserver to do it
23:02<staticsafe>one moment
23:03<staticsafe>same thing with the -6 flag?
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23:03<auraka>staticsafe: try it out...let me know how it works
23:04<staticsafe>auraka: works fine
23:04<staticsafe># ip -6 route add <ipv6network>/<prefixlength> via <ipv6address>
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23:05<staticsafe>*shrug* ip feels more intuitive to me
23:05<auraka>staticsafe: what prefix would you put...for default...
23:05<staticsafe> /64
23:05<auraka><ipv6network> <-- define that....default route
23:06<staticsafe>ipv6network meaning your gateway/router/whatevery you call it
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23:06<staticsafe>no you are the one confusing me
23:06<staticsafe># /sbin/ip -6 route add 2000::/3 via 2001:0db8:0:f101::1
23:06<staticsafe>better example
23:07<XReaper>You can't route anything over linodes network unless it's encapsulated :D
23:08<auraka>staticsafe: not a "default" route
23:08*EugeneKay encapsulates XReaper
23:08<staticsafe>auraka: eh?
23:09<auraka>staticsafe: do an ip -6 route show on your linode...see default via fe80::1...there is a default route
23:09<auraka>you're setting a specific route
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23:14<staticsafe>auraka: ok tell me the equivalent in ifconfig syntax
23:14<staticsafe>how would you add a "default" ipv6 gateway?
23:14<staticsafe>fe80::1 is link-local too so I don't get what you are trying to say
23:15<@heckman>fe80::1 is the default v6 gateway on Linode
23:15<@heckman>And why the hell are you using ifconfig?
23:15<auraka>heckman: you missed the discussion
23:15<staticsafe>I'm not, auraka apparently is
23:15<auraka>more the use of ip
23:16<staticsafe>heckman: derp, right I just wiki'ed the route and thought it was link local only
23:17<staticsafe>meh it is
23:17*staticsafe goes to get a drink
23:18*heckman bonks staticsafe
23:18<auraka>staticsafe: here's a fun thing....ip -6 route del default via just change del to add
23:19<staticsafe>auraka: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument
23:19<staticsafe>hrm I see your point
23:19<auraka>staticsafe: ip -6 route add default dev eth0
23:20<auraka>then it'll add the route back....then you can ip -6 route del default dev eth0
23:21<staticsafe>well TIL
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23:23<purrdeta>staticsafe: default I think is 4 days
23:25<squircle>staticsafe: was away for a while, but glad to see you worked something out. there's a simple option for spamassassin to create a socket, for future reference.
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23:25<purrdeta>squircle: I'm still considering trying spamd out in a bit.
23:25<staticsafe>I just got the backup MX setup, was easier than I thought
23:25<@Praefectus>mmmmm spam
23:26<auraka>staticsafe: used google apps?....five records and done? :-P
23:27<staticsafe>auraka: naw, I use gapps for two of my domains already, gotta keep things interesting ;)
23:28<staticsafe>2 MXes + remote amavisd + spamd + opendkim
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23:28<auraka>staticsafe: no dspam?
23:29<staticsafe>I wasn't aware of dspam.
23:29<auraka>staticsafe: I was just trying to make your setup even more difficult with even more points of failure :-P
23:30<auraka>staticsafe: greylisting is where it is at! Only get your email minutes/hours after it was supposed to arrive!
23:31<auraka>heckman: get your bug fixed yet?
23:31<staticsafe>I've learnt quite a bit about how e-mail systems work with setting these up
23:32<staticsafe>I now know why people go the gapps way
23:32*auraka nods
23:32<auraka>all hail the great google overlord
23:33<@Praefectus>auraka: yer welcome
23:33<@heckman>auraka: 12.04.2 apparentlt
23:34<purrdeta>I quite like my email setup
23:35*staticsafe slaps OVH around a bit with the IE6 binary
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23:35*Praefectus never upgraded beyond IE2
23:35<staticsafe>auraka: meh I'm waiting for them to tell me what the IPv6 gateway is because they turned off router advertisements
23:36<staticsafe>auraka: meh its a free beta server in their new DC
23:36<auraka>canuckistan eh
23:38<staticsafe>their network has gotten a lot better nowadays
23:39<auraka>their network is meh....just like Gandis
23:40<auraka>linode is best node
23:40<staticsafe>auraka: well connectivy in North America is still pretty bad I guess
23:41<staticsafe>I want to test out a server on Atrato's network
23:41<auraka>Atrato rocks
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