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00:47<linbot>New news from forum: Deleting folders from public_html without crashing sites in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9285&p=53336#p53336>
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03:13<linbot>New news from forum: Error running phpize: Cannot find config.m4 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9290&p=53337#p53337>
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04:31<linbot>New news from forum: FTP or Root - Permission denied problem uploading web site in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9281&p=53338#p53338>
04:31<Kyh>-.- ftp
04:34<Peng>-.- root
04:37<hawk>ftp as root! solves all the pesky permission problems
04:38<@Praefectus>ssh root@gitmo
04:40<hawk>Praefectus: What is this ssh thing, anyway?
04:40<@Praefectus>its how you report people like Peng to the guvmint
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05:04<meskarune>I woke up and thought it was Tues. and then realized it was mon. and I didn't have to get out of bed for work
05:04<meskarune>:D
05:04<meskarune>but now I'm too awake to sleep
05:04<@Praefectus>that usually happens when you drink yourself to sleep
05:04<meskarune>...
05:04<meskarune>only one beer, dog fish head chicory stout
05:04<meskarune>:P
05:04<@Praefectus>what? it happens to me when i drink myself to sleep
05:04<@mikegrb>lulz
05:04<meskarune>lol
05:05<@Praefectus>damn, you's a lightweight
05:05<meskarune>I know T_T
05:05<meskarune>but that beer is high in alcohols
05:05<meskarune>plus it has coffee in it
05:05<meskarune>which is awesome
05:07<meskarune>so I'm working on my netbook, and ping doesn't work, but I'm online
05:07<meskarune>so I'm working on my netbook, and ping doesn't work, but I'm online
05:08<meskarune>what's up with that?
05:08<meskarune>I hate th is keyboard
05:09<meskarune>ping comes back with 100 percent loss on all the sites I tested, but I can browser the internets with elinks and I"m ssh'd into my linode right now
05:10<@akerl>wall of meskarune
05:10<SpaceHobo><redacted>
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05:11<meskarune>sorta :P
05:11<meskarune>akerl: I have the feeling that we either sleep at the same exact times, or you are always awake
05:11<chesty>the enter key is next to all the other punctuation keys
05:11<meskarune>its like magic
05:12<meskarune>all the mod keys on my new computer are the same size as the letter keys. its driving me nuts
05:12<chesty>a pirate walks into a bar
05:12<SpaceHobo><redacted>
05:12<meskarune>haha
05:13<meskarune>do you mean arch build system or actual abs?
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05:15<@akerl>meskarune: I am always awake
05:17<meskarune>hehe
05:17<meskarune>like a superpower :P
05:17<meskarune>I need to eat breakfast
05:26<Peng>meskarune: mtr and see if the ICMP ECHOs get anywhere?
05:27<HoopyCat>urmomtr gets somewhere
05:28<Peng>HoopyCat: You don't, though.
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05:57<linbot>New news from forum: Error running phpize: Cannot find config.m4 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9290&p=53339#p53339>
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06:26<adityamenon>Good evening
06:26<Peng>Hi
06:26<adityamenon>I have an off-topic question...
06:27<adityamenon>With my current ISP, the speed is what is promised in my package when I select a local server on speedtest.net for pinging
06:27<Kyh>adityamenon: because the internet
06:27<adityamenon>but when I try it in a US or Europe based server, it's slower than half of that
06:28<Kyh>Yes. Internets
06:28<Kyh>That's how it works
06:28<adityamenon>I've verified with a friend in the US that the reverse is true for them too
06:28<Kyh>It's complicated
06:29<Peng>adityamenon: Linode cannot do anything about the performance of the companies who operate teh Internet.
06:29<adityamenon>so, my effective speed is less than half of what I bought, because most important websites are either in the US or Europe
06:30<adityamenon>I have not yet posed a question - and I'm neither asking to explain how it works nor am I asking Linode to fix it
06:30<Kyh>adityamenon: your ISP isn't (and can't) promising you a CIR of <x> mbit to some site half way around the world.
06:30<adityamenon>a less hostile response would have taken me less aback
06:30<adityamenon>anyway
06:30<adityamenon>All I'm asking is, is there a way the ISP can do something about this?
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06:31<Kyh>Not really
06:31<Peng>Not reall -- D: !
06:31<adityamenon>they have operations in many countries, so will maintaining a private network to "tunnel" traffic work?
06:31<Kyh>adityamenon: no
06:31<adityamenon>thanks, that is all I wanted to know
06:32<Peng>adityamenon: I mean, if one of their providers is really terrible, they can file support tickets or switch, but mostly, it's normal...
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06:33<adityamenon>ah, okay....
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07:32<linbot>New news from forum: Newbie question about permissions on Apache document root in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9287&p=53340#p53340>
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07:38<linbot>New news from forum: Error running phpize: Cannot find config.m4 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9290&p=53341#p53341>
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07:45<meskarune>I made shirred eggs with croisants and coffee for breakfast
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07:45<@Praefectus>shirred eggs?
07:45<@akerl>shrambled
07:45<meskarune>eggs that are baked in a ramikin
07:45<meskarune>with butter and cream and herbs
07:46<@Praefectus>ya, had to google
07:46<meskarune>soooooo good
07:46<meskarune>and easy to make
07:46<chesty>why would you make croissants yourself when you can buy them so cheaply?
07:47<meskarune>I did buy them
07:47<meskarune>:P
07:47<meskarune>croisants take too long to make, but i have made them by hand before
07:47<chesty>but you said you made them
07:47<meskarune>I made the eggs and toasted the croisants :P
07:47<meskarune>then melted brei in them
07:48<meskarune>brie
07:48<chesty>did you make the brie?
07:48<@mikegrb>lulz
07:48<meskarune>lol
07:49<meskarune>I'm allergic to penicillin and brie is made with the same mold, so I had to cut off all the rind. hopefully I don't have an allergic reaction.
07:50<chesty>you're brave, why risk your life for cheese?
07:50<meskarune>because delicious
07:51<meskarune>I have drugs just in case too :P
07:51<@Praefectus>drugs r bad mmmkay?
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07:52<jonlandrum>I have a question: I'm part of the Joyent exodus, and I'm the first to come to Linode. Do we have, as customers, some kind of a promo code for others to use when signing up?
07:52<@Praefectus>manager > myprofile
07:52<@Praefectus>referral code and link are there
07:53<jonlandrum>Awesome, thank you!
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07:53<chesty>jonlandrum: or you could use mine
07:53<meskarune>!google linode referal program
07:53<linbot>meskarune: Linode Blog » Referral System; Annual Discounts: <http://blog.linode.com/2008/07/31/referral-system-annual-discounts/>; Linode - Referral System: <http://www.linode.com/referrals/>; Linode Blog » linode manager: <http://blog.linode.com/category/linode-manager/>; Linode Coupon Codes: Get $22 Off w/ August 2012 Coupons ...: <http://www.retailmenot.com/view/linode.com>; In depth Linode (VPS) (1 more message)
07:53<meskarune>he left
07:53<meskarune>><
07:53<chesty>what a selfish bastard
07:53<chesty>what happened to joyent?
07:54<Peng>meskarune: ....Which drugs?
07:54<praetorian>itgot too hppy
07:54<@akerl>chesty: They decided customers were lame
07:54<Peng>The joy ented.
07:54<praetorian>no peng, no
07:56<mwalling>chesty: people spent lotsa $ for a "lifetime" account. joyant decided it was the end of their lifetime.
07:57<praetorian>yeah was just reading that... they got 6 years of hosting for $500
07:57<@akerl>The fine print obviously included *(the lifetime of our gratitude for helping fund us not going out of business)
07:58<praetorian>so 72 months..
07:58<praetorian>they padi $7 a month for hosting for 6 years.
07:58<@akerl>praetorian: They didn't sign up to pay $7 a month for the next 6 years, though.
07:58<@akerl>They signed up for $500 for forever
07:58<@jchen>not terrible, but yeah
07:59<praetorian>akerl: i get that.
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08:09<mwalling>i'm sure if people knew they were paying for 6 years, they still would have signed up
08:11<chesty>ta, interesting
08:12<praetorian>np
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08:12<chesty>praetorian: what's your unlock pin?
08:12<praetorian>mwalling: pretty much. look at linode. . $20 a month minimum..
08:12<praetorian>that's only just over 2 years worth
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08:12<praetorian>chesty: urmom's bday
08:13<chesty>1/1/0?
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08:13*praetorian pats chesty
08:16*CornishPasty chests patsy
08:17<mwalling>praetorian: i was under the impression that joyant was more like app engine or something than a full VPS
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08:20<hawk>The service they ended, according to what people write anyway, was some web hosting service.
08:21<praetorian>that's how i read it as
08:21<praetorian>i was only comparing linode as that's what the other guy was going to
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08:22<@mikegrb>lulz
08:22<meskarune>peng: allergy drugs. also : lol late reply
08:23<meskarune>google is always adding things then taking them away
08:23<meskarune>:/
08:23<meskarune>self hosted is the way to go if you want to keep yer stuff
08:23<meskarune>then lots of backups
08:25<chesty>i tried to backup my hard drive once, but I couldn't find the reverse switch
08:26<@Praefectus>chesty: you have to take it apart and spin the platters in reverse
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08:26<hawk>chesty: Ah, you just reverse the polarity of the power connector to do that, obviously
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08:30<Peng>Google is taking their QR code generator away. :'(
08:30<Peng>meskarune: Self-host your own VPSes, too, eh? :P
08:31<meskarune>Peng: you actually can have your own server.... :P
08:32<meskarune>that runs xen or kms + lots'o virtual machines
08:33<meskarune>so much work though. you have to lock up the server for security, keep it updated, and have an ISP that doesn't suck :)
08:33<@Praefectus>thats what colo is for
08:33<Peng>But your data center could go out of business. Start your own.
08:33<@Praefectus>the isp part anyway
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08:34<hawk>You have to host your own internets, obviously, no one can be trusted to provide any kind of service
08:34<Peng>meskarune: Lots of backups? Definitely. Self-hosting everything, though? That probably adds up to more of a hassle than picking up the pieces from your backups when Service X goes bankrupt.
08:34*Peng shrugs
08:34<meskarune>I'd do it. buy up wires and have p2p internets
08:35<meskarune>people can go house to house and have a world wide lan
08:36<meskarune>Peng: idk, I had scuttle set up, so when delicious went bad, I still haz online bookmarks
08:36<meskarune>same for email with roundcube
08:37<meskarune>bookmarks.doloresportalatin.info
08:37<Peng>Doesn't RoundCube get haxxed weekly?
08:37<meskarune>well, 90% of the time I use desktop clients. but I'm running on nonstandard ports and using ssl
08:37<meskarune>I'm not too too worried
08:37<Peng>... I guess it depends on how much effort self-hosting things is, and how much fun it is.
08:37<meskarune>super fun
08:38<meskarune>I'm still themeing my scuttle site. a lot of teh links are terrible looking
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08:48<linbot>New news from forum: Install Ubuntu 10.04.4 Server on laptop without a CD Drive in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9291&p=53342#p53342>
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09:00<linbot>New news from forum: Error running phpize: Cannot find config.m4 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9290&p=53343#p53343>
09:00<praetorian>2255:07 [linode:@tubbo:1] Doing dev ops experimentation is ridiculously expensive. Now, I have to pay Linode $90 for the mistakes of knife-linode/Fog's devs. #fb
09:00<praetorian>o_O
09:02<@Praefectus>well, you do have to pay when you purchase a Linode, don't you?
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09:14<praetorian>Praefectus: that's not what you told me
09:14<praetorian>dammit
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09:23<@Praefectus>praetorian: well, you're using EugeneKay's credit card, so technically you aren't paying for your Linodes
09:28<linbot>New news from forum: Newbie question about permissions on Apache document root in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9287&p=53344#p53344>
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09:31<praetorian>Praefectus: true dat
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09:36<sgo00>Hi, Linode has six locations. If I plan to move from one location to another, can I simply move my existing vm to that location so that I don't lose anything from my current vm (like clone vm)? thanks.
09:37<@mikegrb>yes, the ip will change but everything else remains the same
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09:37<Kunda>knife-linode ?
09:37<meskarune> sgo00 there might be a linode library article on migrations
09:37<meskarune>:)
09:37<Kunda>praetorian:
09:38<Peng>...Knives?
09:38<sgo00>mikegrb, thanks a lot for the reply. how can I do that? any doc available online? thanks.
09:38<@mikegrb>requires a support ticket but it's quick and easy
09:39<rnowak>(knives are for chef)
09:39<praetorian>i don't remember mikegrb having these programmed responses.
09:39<rnowak>they installed a new machine learning kit
09:39<SpaceHobo><redacted>
09:39<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
09:39<meskarune>sgo00: we basically tell you migration is ready, then you click on a button and it goes automagically
09:40<praetorian>Kunda: i dont know. was just something on my 'linode' watch list. google it, seems ome automation lib
09:40<linbot>New news from forum: Install Ubuntu 10.04.4 Server on laptop without a CD Drive in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9291&p=53345#p53345>
09:40<chesty>we? are you a spy meskarune ?
09:40<sgo00>oh. do you mean I can open a support ticket to ask moving my vm to another location. then the support team will do it for me. I just need to wait for it. is what I understand correct? thanks.
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09:41<meskarune>chesty: I work @ linode :P
09:41<praetorian>sgo00: they will give you a button you can click to move it. you can do it at your own time once that button is available
09:41<dzho>the IP will change, though, and that needs some user intervention, no?
09:41<praetorian>but yes, a support ticket to ask to move it
09:41<sgo00>praetorian, got it. thanks a lot.
09:42<io_>hi i have set max_connections to 12 in my.cnf but in htop i can see mo rethan that of sql connection, how can i limit the maximum sql threads in Debian 6 ?
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09:42<sgo00>meskarune, praetorian, mikegrb thanks.
09:43<Kunda>praetorian: thanks
09:43<chesty>sgo00: yw
09:43<meskarune>:) sgo00
09:43<praetorian>(:
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09:44<Peng>rnowak: Oh, thanks
09:44<rsully>quick mysql related question. varchar column (innodb) with DEFAULT '\\\\'. when i add a new row the value is in its literal string form, '\\\\' and not \\
09:45<rsully>is it possible a mysql bug, or a bug in my mysql client?
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09:46<chesty>io_: as long as you restart mysql after changing max_connections, it is indeed 12. there might be other threads used for housekeeping, how many extra are we talking aboot?
09:46<praetorian>meskarune: couldnt see an artcile on it fyi. however the image here is relevant :P http://library.linode.com/support
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09:46<io_>chesty: more than double, I think they are "child threads" but i don t know how to set limits on that
09:47<rnowak>why are you concerned by how many threads it is running?
09:48<io_>sometime Iam getting out of memory and my linode gets very slow
09:48<chesty>apache prefork with mod_php?
09:48<io_>swap is full and just a few MB free on RAM, then the CPU of course starts to go crazy tryin to keep up with the HD wapping
09:49<meskarune>I see praetorian :)
09:49<praetorian>wordpress?
09:49<io_>drupal
09:49<praetorian>have yu thought about caching.
09:49<rnowak>if you told it to only accept 12 connections, it will only accept 12 connections -- you should not be concerned with how many threads it runs to do what it does
09:49<io_>but i have no really intensive sites
09:49<@heckman>Drupal is heavy, at least with my experience.
09:49<praetorian>yep.
09:49<@heckman>Even if the traffic isn't high, Drupal noms memory like no other.
09:49<chesty>drupal's my brother
09:49<praetorian>heckman: did chesty tell you?
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09:50<io_>yes i know but i think i have first to tweak properly my linode before getting more ram
09:50<@heckman>Tell me...?
09:50<praetorian>he seems to be tellingeveryone
09:50<praetorian>heckman: i lost my ipad :S
09:50<@heckman>ouch :/ -- how?
09:50<rnowak>trying to limit the number of threads mysql can run is not what I'd call a sane tweaking
09:50<praetorian>had it at the supermarket .. and left it in the basket.. went back.. it was gone
09:51<praetorian>so yeah, im going to have to possibly get a #4 when it comes out
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09:52<rnowak>did you remote-wipe it?
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09:52<praetorian>yeah its queued. but it will never be able to connect
09:52<praetorian>its wifi model.. so whats the chance of it getting onto my network
09:53<dwfreed>praetorian: my understanding of the remote wipe is that as long as the device can hit the internet, it can receive the remote wipe signal
09:53<praetorian>dwfreed: correct. but it won't be able to hit the internet :-)
09:55<dwfreed>also would not be surprised if Apple put code in iTunes and/or OS X to tell the device to wipe if there's a standing remote wipe order out for it, even if the device itself never sees internet
09:55<rsully>dwfreed: i would be surprised. i think their implementation is narrow minded
09:55<praetorian>yeah, i do wonder that.. because the serial number is locked to my account
09:55<praetorian>i know they do block certain serials.. as ive seen people who have 'purchased' iphones that were stolen
09:56<meskarune>oh that sucks
09:56<praetorian>yep.. but oh well. i can't do much
09:56<meskarune>praetorian: you should get a purse
09:57<meskarune>idk what the male version of those is called. brief case...?
09:57<praetorian>friend has a STK ipad bag.. seems like a great idea in hindsight
09:57<praetorian>anyway, sucks.
09:57<meskarune>did you ask the store people about a lost and found? maybe someone dind't take it ?
09:57<chesty>praetorian: next time install a call home app
09:58<praetorian>meskarune: i did, they checked security cams and stuff as well
09:58<rnowak>why were you prancing around with an ipad in your hands anyway? did you carry a frappuccino in the other hand?
09:58<hawk>I think it would be hilarious if the remote wipe-thing also disabled the power button and squealed as loudly and annoyingly as it possibly can for as long as it has power.
09:58<@mikegrb>lulz
09:58<praetorian>lol
09:58<praetorian>rnowak: was out getting dinner as well :P
09:58<meskarune>praetorian: oh sucks :(
09:58<praetorian>in a foreign town.. so i needed suggestions :P
09:59*rnowak judges praetorian remotely
09:59<rnowak>do you feel that condescending look coming down on you?
09:59<praetorian>i felt like i was being undressed
10:00<rnowak>yeah, that was a mishap
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10:02<meskarune>haha
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10:27*MajObviousman judges rnowak to be an rnowak and punishes accordingly
10:28<MajObviousman>NO SLEEP FOR YOU! TOOTHPICKS IN EYELIDS, KEEP THEM OPEEEENNNN
10:28<smed_>interesting article on /. about long work days....
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10:48<Kunda>So I'm still in the process of creating an SPF record for my domain. My mailserver runs postfix as mail relay that doesn't store any mail on server instead it checks a virtual alias file to see if the address is legitimate and then forwards it on to the designated email address off-server.
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10:49<Kunda>I'm at the part of the Microsoft SPF wizard (http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/content/technologies/senderid/wizard/default.aspx) that asks me about the attributes of my domain. For example they want to know if my domain is an
10:49<Kunda>Inbound Mail Servers Send Outbound Mail (If your inbound mail servers are also used to send outbound mail, you should add this option to your new SPF record. If you are not sure, we recommend you add this option, since most inbound mail servers can at least send outbound non-delivery reports (NDRs).)
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10:50<Kunda>Outbound Mail Server Addresses (If all the IP addresses listed in A records for caduceus.biodynamic-craniosacral.net in DNS are outbound mail servers, you should include this option in your new SPF record. These IP addresses or domains are currently listed in A records for the specified domain. Select each IP address that should always be indicated as an outbound mail server.)
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11:08<MajObviousman>does anybody here use OS X + homebrew?
11:08<rsully>yeah
11:09<MajObviousman>did you install the third part php53 recipes?
11:09<MajObviousman>party*
11:10<smed_>too early to party
11:10<MajObviousman>not in Europe
11:10<smed_>good point.
11:12*MajObviousman runs across improper use of "setup" in Apple docs
11:12<MajObviousman>http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man5/launchd.plist.5.html#//apple_ref/doc/man/5/launchd.plist
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11:12*MajObviousman debates sending them hatemail
11:13<h0rnet> /yawn to linode network issues
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11:21<Kunda>should all my vhosts have a DNS A record (caduceus) record & MX (caduceus.biodynamic-craniosacral.net) record that point to my mailserver? (more precisely is the A record essential?)
11:22<MajObviousman>I don't bother with MX records for domains that I have no desire to receive mail on
11:23<SpaceHobo><redacted>
11:23<Kunda>MajObviousman, good to know. In my context I want to receive mail for all of them.
11:23<SpaceHobo><redacted>
11:23<hawk>Then you probably should have MX records
11:24<Kunda>hawk, is the A record essential ?
11:24<MajObviousman>well, you can cheat a bit
11:24<MajObviousman>set MX records on your main domain, then make your subdomains CNAME back to it
11:24<MajObviousman>so you don't have to have separate MX records for each one
11:24<hawk>Kunda: Which A record? And for email specifically or something else?
11:24<MajObviousman>but if you're rolling different IPs for each one, you'll need distinct MX records
11:24<smed_>SpaceHobo - new keyboard pls!
11:25<MajObviousman>also, keep something in mind here
11:25<MajObviousman>if you have more than one MX record, say a friend is backstopping your MTA with his
11:25<SpaceHobo><redacted>
11:25<Kunda>hawk, for email specifically
11:25<Peng>Kunda: The Internet isn't about to run out of DNS records. What's the problem?
11:25<MajObviousman>spammers have learned that the lower priority MX servers are usually easier to abuse
11:25<Kunda>MajObviousman, just one IP...
11:26<MajObviousman>so if you DO specify a backup MX, prepare to receive a LOT of spam to that location
11:26<MajObviousman>a lot of backups are just buffering mail until the primary comes in. All mail, not filtering
11:26<hawk>Kunda: If there is an MX record for "example.com", then there doesn't have to be an A record for "example.com" (in terms of mail specifically!). Whatever name the MX record points at must have an A/AAAA record, though.
11:27<Kunda>hawk, thanks
11:27<MajObviousman>so all that spam sits on their server until your back up, then it gets shipped over to you. Imposes a hit on your friend's MTA
11:27<Kunda>MajObviousman, yes, I've been learning about such things
11:27<MajObviousman>kinda clever on the spammers part
11:28<Kunda>I erroneously added an A record pointing to my mailserver for every vhost. <sigh> the eternal noob
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11:28<bacon>Goodday to you sirs!
11:29<MajObviousman>breakfast has arrived!
11:29*MajObviousman chows down on bacon happily
11:30<smed_>mmmmm
11:30<smed_>Pork Roll
11:30<MajObviousman>I think he just called you fat
11:30<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:30<smed_>Pork Roll > bacon
11:31<Kunda>MajObviousman, question, so if at the moment i have no secondary MX server (i know, it's not very responsible of me; working on a solution) Should I set my primary MX with a 0 priority in leu of what you're sharing
11:31<MajObviousman>are you gonna let him do that?
11:31<Kunda>right now it's set to 10
11:31<rnowak>it doesn't matter what it is
11:31<MajObviousman>Kunda: I don't agree with your assertion that it's irresponsible not to have a backup
11:31<Kunda>or it doesn't matter since I just have 1 MX server
11:31<MajObviousman>and no, the number doesn't matter so much
11:31<MajObviousman>it's just relative to the other servers you've got
11:31<MajObviousman>if you only have one, that number really means nothing
11:32<Kunda>ok..roger that
11:32<MajObviousman>I have only one MX. If my server goes down, I get no email
11:32<MajObviousman>so it behooves me to keep it up
11:32<rnowak>that's stupid
11:32<hawk>Kunda: The rule is just that the lowest number will have the highest priority. If there is only one number it has to be the lowest.
11:33<MajObviousman>it's lazy more than stupid
11:33<MajObviousman>to do it right means leasing a second linode or contracting with a friend
11:33<auraka>MajObviousman: Lazy and stupid....bad combination
11:33<MajObviousman>auraka: indeed
11:33<MajObviousman>story of my life
11:33<rnowak>or using gapps, or office365, or someone else, if you can't be bothered doing it right
11:34<MajObviousman>I like having my own mta
11:34<Kunda>gapps doesn't let you use them as a secondary MX or backup MX
11:34<MajObviousman>what does it impact you if my mail server goes down?
11:34<auraka>CONTROL!
11:34<MajObviousman>we aren't exchanging mail
11:34<Jono_>isn't this the same conversation you had last night with someone else rnowak? :)
11:34<auraka>MajObviousman: my spam doesn't reach your inbox...impacts my revenue
11:34<rnowak>it is not
11:34<Kunda>btw, should add that point to the Linode Documentation
11:35*MajObviousman bahs at auraka
11:35<rnowak>amd it is not a conversation, I am just calling MajObviousman stupid
11:35<rnowak>and, too
11:35<@mikegrb>lulz
11:35<Jono_>lol
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11:35<MajObviousman>he does that
11:35<rnowak>it is for his own good though, tough love
11:36<auraka>MajObviousman: it is because he is insecure and has no control in his own life so he likes to beat up people on the internet
11:36<auraka>it is all good
11:36<MajObviousman>dickus smallus syndrome?
11:36<rnowak>don't open a box you can't close auraka
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11:39*bacon stirs some more
11:39*MajObviousman pours off the grease into rnowak's lap
11:39<bacon>How long do most MTAs try to deliver for?
11:39<bacon>MajObviousman, can you rebuild your mail server from scratch in that amount of time?
11:39<rnowak>the magic four and a half days
11:40<MajObviousman>that's a good question
11:40<bacon>MajObviousman, you are not allowed to be away from the internet for more than 3 days.
11:40*MajObviousman checks for latest backups
11:40<bacon>Why not use google as your secondary?
11:41<bacon>There are restrictions, yeh.
11:41<MajObviousman>because I'm stubbornly independent and don't want to feed more personal information to the Google Machine than I have to?
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11:41<Gianluca_>ciao regaz
11:41<Gianluca_>!list
11:41<linbot>Gianluca_: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
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11:42<Gianluca_>!list
11:42<linbot>Gianluca_: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, Dict, Dunno, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, String, Success, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Web
11:42<MajObviousman>hey look, it's the same list as the first time
11:42<MajObviousman>amazing
11:42<auraka>MajObviousman: I'll act as your secondary and handle all of your email....
11:42<Peng>Can I download URL? That looks like a good one.
11:42<MajObviousman>auraka: nuuuu
11:43<Gianluca_>sorry man i have not see
11:43<Gianluca_>;)
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12:28<caseydriscoll>Hello! Can we ask support questions here?
12:28<retro|blah>!ask
12:28<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
12:30<caseydriscoll>I have about 8 months experience with my linode/debian/apache server, and i feel pretty competent. I have had good success setting up subdomains by creating new A/AAAA records, but now i need to create a sub-subdomain.
12:30<caseydriscoll>For example, I can create casey.driscoll.com by creating the A/AAAA record 'casey' at 'ipaddress' but how do i create 'test.casey'
12:30<caseydriscoll>test.casey.driscoll.com that is
12:31<HedgeMage>exactly the same way :)
12:31<caseydriscoll>just by entering 'test.casey' as an A/AAAA record?
12:31<rsully>"try it and find out" ;D
12:31<@mikegrb>lulz
12:31<caseydriscoll>lol
12:31<caseydriscoll>yeah im on minute 12 of 15 of the DNS refresh
12:31<caseydriscoll>just getting impatient :)
12:31<rsully>ah
12:32<HedgeMage>:)
12:32<caseydriscoll>just wanted to make sure i was on the right path, thanks! I'll give confirmation when it updates in a few here.
12:32<HedgeMage>:)
12:32<HedgeMage>any time
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12:33<@heckman>caseydriscoll: the refresh happens every quarter hour (if you're speaking about Linode DNS Manager), so the refresh should be in-progress right now.
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12:43<caseydriscoll>booya, working. Thanks everybody!
12:43<HedgeMage>:D
12:43<HedgeMage>np
12:48<LiquidAtom>I've been looking at stats from roughly this time 2010 about Linode, and it's amazing how much the figures have changed. 1600TB to 10,000TB, 2.1 Gbits/sec to 12 Gbits/sec average utilisation.
12:48<LiquidAtom>All that in 2 years! ^_^
12:49<smed_>growing quickly.
12:50<smed_>well, all this recent (past couple of years) talk about "The Cloud (Tm)" has really ramped up the need for a solid platform or two....
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12:54<LiquidAtom>Hmm, Adminer (for MySQL) is showing ~9,000,000 in the data free, I'm just wondering if this is actually an issue, because I can't understand why it's stating that.
12:55<LiquidAtom>There's plenty of space left on the box (14% utilisation) and I've not changed any settings in my.cnf relating to database sizes. =/.
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13:00<gatman>hello
13:00<linbot>hello!
13:00<gatman>thks - just checking
13:00<LiquidAtom>This is what I'm talking about: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/60040084/mysql-innodb-data-free.png
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13:02<LiquidAtom>-.-
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13:09<XReaper>hello
13:09<XReaper>:/
13:09<XReaper>bot voodoo
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13:16<smed_>Mondays--
13:16<XReaper>i spent my monday playing saints row the 3rd
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13:18<smed_>I only play one game now....and I dont really have time for that.
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14:27<linbot>New news from forum: Newbie question about permissions on Apache document root in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9287&p=53348#p53348>
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14:29<Resnik>good evening
14:35<Resnik>so quiet in here :)
14:35<smed_>it's Monday-madness setting in.
14:35<@heckman>Sorry, we're off watching the NBC coverage of the Olympics.
14:36<@heckman>>_>
14:36<LiquidAtom>Win.
14:37<Resnik>:D
14:37<Resnik>ok question, is there an easy way, to host another website on my linode?
14:37<Resnik>as atm I'm hosting one website, and I'd like to add another domain
14:37<Resnik>without breaking things :)
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14:39<smed_>http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/
14:39<smed_>You want to configure Virtual Hosts.
14:39<Peng>!library virtual hosts
14:39<linbot>Peng: 1. Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/courier-mysql-ubuntu-9.10-karmic | 2. Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) - http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/courier-mysql-ubuntu-9.04-jaunty | 3. Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny) - http://library.linode.com/email/postfix/courier-mysql- (1 more message)
14:39*Peng crosses fingers
14:39<Peng>Email on Ubuntu 9.10. Nice, linbot.
14:39<smed_>that was awesome
14:40<Peng>Resnik: There are guides on http://library.linode.com/
14:40<Resnik>ty
14:41<Resnik>does not look too hard :)
14:42<Peng>Not only does it look not-too-hard, it *is* not-too-hard. :)
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14:57<Resnik>hmpf, question
14:57<@heckman>answer
14:57<Resnik>atm listed virtual host is "default"
14:58<Resnik>can this be renamed to domain name, without breaking anything?
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14:59<linbot>New news from forum: 8GB Linode and site is struggling even with 4GB of free RAM in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9292&p=53349#p53349>
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15:09<@heckman>Resnik: I'd remove it, in my opinion.
15:10<@heckman>Resnik: I never keep the default ones hanging around, as they have a lot of cruft in there.
15:10<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Monitoring Servers with Zabbix <http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring/zabbix>
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15:19<Resnik>too late for that now :s
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15:20<webroasters>hi guys
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15:20<webroasters>i need help asap... I have an ubuntu server running in safe mode, and I need to download the /var/www/ files
15:20<smed_>"safe mode" ??
15:21<webroasters>i've tried the scp -f -r command to no avail
15:21<webroasters>it keeps saying Unknown command 'scp -r -f /var/www/'
15:21<webroasters>recovery mode
15:21<webroasters>im sorry rescue mode
15:21<smed_>so maybe you dont have scp/ssh installed on the machine you are trying to execute that command?
15:22<smed_>oh - you're logged into the Ubuntu machine that is currently in recovery mode....
15:22<webroasters>yes
15:22<smed_>it's prolly /usr/bin/scp or something like that...
15:22<smed_>find /usr -name 'scp' -ls
15:22<webroasters>from my local machine that is also ubuntu
15:22<smed_>or use locate if that is installed on ununtu...
15:23<smed_>on your local machine do a "which scp"
15:23<webroasters>returns nothing
15:23<webroasters>oh
15:23<webroasters>hold on
15:23<smed_>maybe scp is in /bin?
15:24<webroasters>yes, it returns an entry on my local machine.. root is the owner of i
15:24<smed_>is it in /usr/bin ?
15:24<webroasters>*it
15:24<webroasters>on the server, there's no information returned
15:25<smed_>hold on - gotta run downstairs....
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15:25<smed_>you need to find the scp command on your local machine
15:25<webroasters>i found it
15:25<smed_>try looking for it in /bin or /sbin
15:25<webroasters>its' the server machine
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15:25<smed_>then use the full path
15:25<webroasters>that doesn't have it
15:25<webroasters>i dont understand
15:25<smed_>boss is calling - gotta run..
15:25<smed_>back in a bit.
15:25<webroasters>here's what i'm typing into the terminal
15:25<webroasters>ok
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15:29<lelldorianx>Hi all
15:30<lelldorianx>I have an htaccess rewrite question -- if I want to rewrite this mysite.com/component/shopping/##-category-name/P##-name-of-product-displayed TO this: mysite.com/category-name/name-of-product-displayed, can anyone give an example of how this is done? I've tried a few things, but can't quite get the flags to work.
15:31<hawk>webroasters: http://library.linode.com/rescue-and-rebuild#sph_starting-ssh might be applicable
15:31<hawk>webroasters: Or the next section, on installing additional stuff into the finnix environment, if you want to go the other route...
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15:34<hawk>webroasters: Probably a good idea to read that whole article
15:34<webroasters>i know
15:34<webroasters>i'm working on it rightnow
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15:38<smed_>were you able to copy your www directories yet?
15:39<webroasters>no
15:39<webroasters>i need to do that right now
15:39<webroasters>i've gotten through most of the article that hawk sent.. i was able to see inside my files, etc.
15:39<webroasters>so it'smounted right now inside of lish
15:39<Resnik>ok created virtualhost ... but for me, accessing http://www.sitename.net does not work, while http://sitename.net works... on the other hand, for my friend everything is working
15:39<webroasters>but i need to download them asap
15:40<webroasters>any ideas?
15:41<smed_>so you have ssh access from your finnix rescue environment?
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15:44<webroasters>not sure, i'm in the finnix rescue environ. but i havent checked for ssh access
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16:11<webroasters>thanks i think i have it
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16:12<TheVillageIdiot>Hi all
16:12<smed_>um.....
16:12<smed_>was that your preferred moniker?
16:12<TheVillageIdiot>in this instance, yes
16:13<TheVillageIdiot>My issue is too embarrassing to admit to using my real handle
16:13<smed_>hah
16:14<TheVillageIdiot>I accidentally symlinked a directory to itself (which I would think I would have gotten a warning on the CLI about)
16:14<dzho>I don't know if noclobber even will warn about something like that
16:14<TheVillageIdiot>is there any way to recover the contents of that directory?
16:15<TheVillageIdiot>(centos 6.2 x64 ext3 journaling fs)
16:15<smed_>I would think that resolving that would consist of removing the erroneos symlink
16:16<TheVillageIdiot>I'm not a complete linux n00b but I have never been so stupid as to wipe out production data
16:16<smed_>in which case I would expect to find the contents of that directory untouched....
16:16<smed_>well you have backups. right?
16:16<TheVillageIdiot>yeah I tried "unlink" but the containing directory is now void of any reference to it
16:16<TheVillageIdiot>yeah I have the backups enabled on that linode
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16:17<TheVillageIdiot>is it best to just restore the backup? (seems like overkill)
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16:18<smed_>so you unlinked the directory that you symlinked to accidentally?
16:18<TheVillageIdiot>yeah
16:19<smed_>huh
16:19<@akerl>Today is national backup testing day!
16:19<smed_>so this was production data?
16:19<smed_>and you do not have an off-site backup of that directory?
16:20<TheVillageIdiot>lets say the symlink was in /home/httpd/idiot/somedir -> /home/httpd/idiot/somedir from idiot I type unlink somedir and it worked to remove the link, but obviously the directory that used to be at somedir is gone
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16:21<@akerl>For the record, you can shrink your existing disks, restore from your backup without destroying the current disks, mount the restore to copy the files over, then delete the restored disks and resize your current disk back up
16:21<TheVillageIdiot>and no, I don't have rsync set up again yet, we just moved to linode yesterday (and luckily have a full linode backup after we changed the paths to make everything work again)
16:21<jeremyb>akerl: google seems to think that's march 31
16:21<@akerl>You can also restore to a new Linode, get the files, and remove it when you're done
16:21<smed_>I think you removed the data in that directory with unlink....
16:22<@akerl>smed_: How would you have removed the symlink?
16:22<smed_>I think it's possible if you just "rm somedir" you may have the contents of that directory intact.
16:22<rnowak>wat
16:22<hawk>I think the whole thing sounds really strange
16:22<@akerl>smed_: I think you're wrong
16:22<smed_>I could be...
16:22<smed_>I've honestly not done that before.
16:23<rnowak>info unlink
16:23<smed_>I'm on the man page...
16:23<rnowak>why would you speculate on things you have no clue about? :)
16:23<smed_>k - retracted.
16:24<smed_>so at this point - his only recourse would be restore that backup snapshot
16:24<smed_>which sucks
16:24<smed_>but is doable.
16:24<TheVillageIdiot>thats what I was thinking
16:25<smed_>I was confusing the symlink with a mistake I've made frequently by mounting remote filesystems on top of mount-points that currently contain data
16:26<ppc>s an
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16:26<smed_>its monday....shoot me.
16:26<fikle>bang bang?
16:26<smed_>fair enough.
16:26<rsully>hardly seems fair
16:26<smed_>use a small caliber projectile so my fam can have an open casket
16:26<Kyh>It's Tuesday
16:26<rnowak>you told us to shoot you, not kill you
16:27<rnowak>you're now in horrible pain
16:27<smed_>tell me about it...
16:27<smed_>chiropractor beat the shit out of me on Sat.
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16:27<@akerl>I think he's doing it wrong
16:28<TheVillageIdiot>So how does the restore work? blow away the linodes configs and vdisks and then restore from backup? That should take what about 15-30 minutes?
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16:28<@akerl>TheVillageIdiot: I wouldn't suggest blowing away your current disks
16:28<Peng>smed_: The thing to remember about an open casket is that the only thing you can really see is the face. The rest of it can be faked.
16:28<@akerl>That seems like mega-overkill
16:28<smed_>well of course....
16:28<@akerl>TheVillageIdiot: http://library.linode.com/backup-service#sph_restoring-from-a-backup
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16:30<smed_>Peng - I've been to some open casket wakes that really shouldn't have been......yeeef
16:31<TheVillageIdiot>hmm, yeah mine is saying not enough space for the restore2026 I have my /home on a separate vdisk, so really if it was possible to get just that from the restore I'd be golden
16:31<Peng>TheVillageIdiot: It's not, unfortunately.
16:31<smed_>you're going to have to create another linode to restore your data too
16:32<TheVillageIdiot>ok
16:32<TheVillageIdiot>they're only charged while they exist so that likely won't be very costly either
16:32<smed_>sorry dude...document your process as you go along and you'll have a DR plan upon completion
16:33<TheVillageIdiot>I really appreciate the help, I was hoping someone had some mad linux ninja skills to counter my stupidity on a monday morning
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16:33<smed_>sorry, that's one pickle of an error...
16:34<smed_>I'm positive I've never done that.
16:34<TheVillageIdiot>we have a bulk of the data offsite at the old host, but, we spent about 20 hours updating code for the new environment
16:34<smed_>however I'm also positive I've done some equally as stupid crap
16:34<@akerl>TheVillageIdiot: You can shrink your disks and restore to the same Linode
16:35<TheVillageIdiot>only if we were smart enough to keep the 40/60 utilization rule (which I'm guessing we didn't)
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16:35<Peng>fo0bar: ping + pm? >:D
16:35<rnowak>don't do it, it is a trap
16:36<@akerl>TheVillageIdiot: You can see rought how much you used in the Backups tab
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16:36<@akerl>s/rought/roughly/
16:37<TheVillageIdiot>yeah we're at 56.89% utilization (without the directory I hosed)
16:39<TheVillageIdiot>actually that's just on /home overall we're at 62.3% disk utilization
16:39<duckxx>is there such a service which will take a snapshot of your entire website where you can access it like a time line to
16:39<duckxx>go back a week a so on a live working backup
16:39<TheVillageIdiot>duckxx: archive.org ?
16:39<duckxx>yes something like that
16:39<@akerl>duckxx: git?
16:39<duckxx>not git
16:39<duckxx>it has to be accessible
16:40<@akerl>github?
16:40<duckxx>say i wanted to see how the site looked a week ago
16:40<duckxx>not just for code
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16:40<@heckman>You could probably get hacky and implement some weird recursive wget thing...
16:40<rnowak>hacky?
16:40<@akerl>Or you could put it in a git repo
16:41<duckxx>yea i was thinking of writing a script that would run everyday and just replicates the site
16:41<@heckman>duckxx: is the goal just to see how it looked in the past, or is there more to it?
16:41<smed_>I maintain 30-days of our production web-site using a simple rsync script
16:41<@heckman>rnowak: feels a bit hacky.
16:41<duckxx>yea to see what was changed also
16:41<duckxx>in the past
16:41<rnowak>does it? wget supports just that using a few flags
16:42<@akerl>You're describing version control, duckxx
16:42<duckxx>the site is a drupal site
16:42<@akerl>To a tee
16:42<smed_>Drupal does implement version control on individual content items IIRC
16:42<rnowak>if you use postgresql you can use WALs, with their point-in-time recovery capabilities
16:42<duckxx>yea i know version contrl but i dont want that.. i just want time based backups where i can access as live sites
16:42<smed_>I dont know how good it is....
16:43<@akerl>git repo, cron'd `git commit -an "$(date)"` nightly, problem solved
16:43<@heckman>akerl: do you mean wget the site and then drop it in to git, or are you talking about the entire codebase?
16:43<duckxx>entire
16:43<@akerl>heckman: codebase
16:43<duckxx>with database
16:44<rnowak>which rdbms do you use?
16:44<@heckman>akerl: yeah, that doesn't work so well for dynamic content where the entries in the DB are changing. Almost sounds like he wants to see how the site worked on that day.
16:44<duckxx>an entire working live site but it gets copied to a time slot everyday for 14 days
16:44<@akerl>cron to dump database to file -> include dump in git -> profit
16:44<@heckman>I guess you could just restore the snapshot to a different DB and have an archive vhost or something.
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16:45<@akerl>If you can pull the codebase from your version control for a relatively arbitrary point in time, and pull the state of your DB for a relatively arbitrary point in time, you can do a fairly quick and painless job of viewing how your site was at that time
16:46<@akerl>Bonus points if your db backups and codebase save points are run around the same time
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16:46<duckxx>i was just gonna do a full copy
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16:47<rnowak>imagine if you were using postgresql and could use WALs
16:47*akerl throws mongodb into the conversation
16:48<rnowak>you love your data as much using mongodb as using myisam
16:51*Daevien throws akerl into a pit
16:52<avenj>WEBSCALE
16:52*avenj coughs
16:52*avenj crawls back into the hole
16:52<Peng>Does your hole horizontally scale?
16:52<Peng>Does it have clouds?
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16:53<rnowak>diagonal scaling, yo
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16:55<StubbornTurtle>Is there a more manual way to query for DNS records and ignore the cached info on the server, with PHP?
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17:01<duckxx>how do you lock a user to his home directory?
17:01<duckxx>currently the user can goto other user's directories and view their files
17:01<duckxx>cd /
17:03<KyleXY>does it really matter if a user goes to /?
17:03<KyleXY>as long as /home has appropriate permissions, it shouldn't matter all too mcuh
17:03<KyleXY>much* even
17:03<duckxx>yea they can goto /etc and read all the passwd
17:03<@akerl>duckxx: ...
17:03<tusk>duckxx: change the user's shell to rbash
17:04<@akerl>Are your passwords in plaintext? Or unsecured?
17:04<duckxx>still i dont want them wandering around.
17:04<tusk>duckxx: see http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Restricted-Shell.html
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17:04<@akerl>duckxx: Are you trying to give them SSH access?
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17:05<tusk>duckxx: maybe you just shoudl fix the permission on /home/<other_users>
17:05<duckxx>yes
17:05<duckxx>they can go cd into the directories and stuff
17:06<@akerl>duckxx: You should work under the assumption that someone with SSH can do whatever they want
17:06<duckxx>oic
17:06<@akerl>If you don't trust them, don't give them shell access
17:06<duckxx>ok just ftp for them then
17:06<@akerl>ohgodno
17:06<@akerl>!ftp
17:06<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp
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17:08<kyhwana>!library sftp jail
17:08<linbot>kyhwana: 1. Limiting Access with SFTP Jails on Debian and Ubuntu - http://library.linode.com/security/sftp-jails | 2. Transfer Files with Filezilla on Ubuntu 9.10 Desktop - http://library.linode.com/networking/file-transfer/transfer-files-filezilla-ubuntu-9.10 | 3. Transfer Files with Cyberduck on Mac OS X - http://library.linode.com/networking/file-transfer/transfer-files-cyberduck
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17:20<linbot>New news from forum: 8GB Linode and site is struggling even with 4GB of free RAM in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9292&p=53350#p53350>
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18:40<Guest3697>hi everyone
18:40<Guest3697>looking for a little advice if anyone is here
18:41<kyhwana>!ask
18:41<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
18:43<Guest3697>oh man that is great
18:43<Guest3697>I have a server running on linode. I wanna take my web application from there clone it and run it on a new linode but with a different url
18:43<Guest3697>not sure how to do the url part
18:44<Guest3697>like dev.example.com
18:44<Guest3697>so I can have a team of developers work from there
18:44<Guest3697>if that makes sense
18:44<Guest3697>any help or tutorial is greatly appreciated
18:46<kyhwana>uh, you just make a DNS record for dev.example.com and point that at a second linode?
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18:50<Guest3697>so do I have to host dev.example.com somewhere else though
18:51<kyhwana>Uh, you just said you want it to be on a different linode?
18:52<@akerl>Guest3697: The A record for dev.example.com would point to the new Linode, the new Linode would be configured the same as the existing one, but you'd tell it to serve your site on dev.example.com rather than example.com
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18:52<Guest3697>okay that is what I thought
18:52<Guest3697>thank you
18:53<@akerl>That said, if you're just developing the web application, not doing dev work on the server's configuration itself, you can probably use virtual hosts to run example.com and dev.example.com on the same Linode
18:53<Guest3697>no its dev work. The app is running now
18:53<Guest3697>oh yea so a virtual hosts
18:53<Guest3697>that sounds like what I am looking for
18:53<Guest3697>maybe
18:54<Guest3697>being able to actively improve the app on a dev environment
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19:17<TheVillageIdiot>Does anyone know what the average time to restore a Linode512 backup to a virgin linode is?
19:18<TheVillageIdiot>(In the same data center2026 Dallas specifically)
19:18<@heckman>Depends on the number of files/size of each file
19:19<TheVillageIdiot>My restore is going on two and a half hours now2026 that seems excessive no?
19:19<@heckman>How many files are in your Linode?
19:19<@heckman>What's the LinodeID?
19:19<TheVillageIdiot>2 hours and 7 minutes of that has gotten me 0.6% of my CentOS 6.2 x64 vdisk
19:21<TheVillageIdiot>@heckman, just PMed you
19:29<@heckman>If you don't have a ticket open about it, feel free to open one and we can look in to it.
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19:38<TheVillageIdiot>I do have a ticket open actually 1274186
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19:45<nightuser1>Hello! Could someone recommend good *storage* hosting to use with linode? Thanks in advance.
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19:46<kyhwana>..
19:46<kyhwana>fail
19:47<kyhwana>oh wait, he's still here
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19:47<kyhwana>nightuser1: most people use S3, apparently
19:48<rnowak>http://www.uhaul.com/Storage/ I heard these people are pretty popular
19:49<linbot>http://instantrimshot.com
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19:50*kyhwana ships some USB sticks to linode DC, wants them copied to his linode
19:50<TheVillageIdiot>http://instantdouche.com
19:50<dcraig>http://instantstorage.com
19:51<rnowak>so it has come to this
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19:51<dcraig>well one of us needed to step up and provide a useful link
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19:53<sprogisimo>hi
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19:54<kyhwana>bye
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19:55<dcraig>bye kyhwana
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20:29<meme>hi, i'm building my server to be a node.js and php server, no mail. I will install nginx as a proxy for node. is it possible to use the nginx proxy as a server for the php at the same time? if so, any links to help me out?
20:31<meme>should i just follow instructions for a LEMP stack?
20:32<meme>and install node and set proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:8124/; ?
20:32<rnowak>pretty much
20:34<meme>mm, good
20:35<meme>nice that nignx is so flexible, i never used, only apache
20:36<meme>actually, i did one install, with unicorn, for a rails app, but i never did much with it
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21:08<SirSquidness>rnowak: I can't tell meme, since he's gone, but if he's using NodeJS and PHP, it's probably because he wants NodeJS for websocekts (reasonable assumption maybe?), and I don't believe nginx proxy works well with websockets
21:08<rnowak>do you feel better now that you've told me?
21:09<amitz>Dr. suibatso, is that you?
21:10<rnowak>and not everything nodejs is websockety, maybe he just wants to run two different applications that run on different platforms, not totally unheard of
21:11<auraka>mike...no they don't, the world is safe
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21:20<auraka>rnowak: he was educating you
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21:21<rnowak>totally
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21:23<SirSquidness>rnowak: I feel much better >_>
21:23<rnowak>I'm glad
21:23<SirSquidness>I am glad we shared this moment.
21:23<auraka>now kiss
21:23<rnowak>let's do it again sometime
21:24<SirSquidness>Sounds good.
21:25<SirSquidness>I'll have my men call your men.
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21:30<mwalling>Top. Men.
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21:32<auraka>As opposed to bottom men?
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23:20<Peng>Is running an IRC client connecting to normal ports 1.) allowed and 2.) physically possible in Atlanta? I can't remember.
23:20<kyhwana>Peng: yes
23:21<kyhwana>you just can't listen on port 667?
23:21<Daevien>kyhwana: 6667 for irc servers is what you meant i think
23:22<kyhwana>+6
23:22<@akerl>Peng: I'd host it somewhere else
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23:23<@akerl>Or do you mean a client as in "your irssi session"
23:23<Daevien>akerl: he asked abotu client though, which is prob ok in atlanta.. at least unless you get attacked then the atlanta rabid dogs will be se ton you
23:24<Peng>Yeah, I mean irssi/
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23:24<@akerl>Yea, you should be fine
23:24<Peng>Does that mean "won't get caught" or "totally okay"?
23:24<Daevien>atlanta provider hates irc due to attacks. dont get your client attacked, you should be fine :p
23:25<@akerl>The crazy blocking of ports thing is not something we designed just to spite people in Atlanta, so I'm not an expert on the end result
23:25<Peng>akerl: Heh. Yes, I can imagine the moustache-twirling meetings where you decide how to drive users crazy. :>
23:26<Daevien>it's a datacenter thing in that location.. can't remember if i ever sued irc from an atlanta linode or server i used to have there though
23:26<@akerl>I don't twirl a moustache, but I do cackle maniacally
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23:26<Daevien>akerl: because you only have peach fuzz.. or so heckman says..
23:27<@heckman>Oh I said that now?
23:27<Daevien>:p
23:27<Peng>!mtr-newark 97.104.127.2
23:27<Peng>!mtr-atlanta 97.104.127.2
23:27<linbot>Peng: [mtr] 97.104.127.2: 16 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 43.4ms
23:27<linbot>Peng: HTTP Error 404: Not Found
23:27<Peng>Bah.
23:28<Peng>I'm thinking about getting an Atlanta node... 20 ms is a totally dumb reason to use a semi-risky data center, but I can't help it. :X
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23:28*staticsafe stares at Peng
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23:29<Daevien>atlanta is solid, irc and a few misc other ports are the only real issues from a user standpoint
23:29*Peng sticks tongue out at staticsafe.
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23:32<Peng>Daevien: I know they're solid, but I'd be stuck with a small worry in the back of my mind about the Great Firewall of Atlanta.
23:32<staticsafe>apt term for it heh
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23:33<Peng>Daevien: Whereas using Newark would cost me 20 ms that don't matter and make me more comfortable.
23:33<Peng>#firstworldproblems
23:33<Daevien>at least you don't have to deal with the staff / management of atlanta like linode does heh. they are... "special" to deal with
23:35<Peng>Oh?
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23:36<staticsafe>newark linode for life <3
23:37<@akerl>Get Linodes in all the DCs
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23:37<@akerl>problem solved
23:37<Peng>akerl: Problem created: Unable to afford food
23:38<pharaun>food? what that
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23:42<@akerl>>.< I've isolated the differnce between 3.5.2 and 3.6-rc2 that makes my Linode crash at boot. "CONFIG_XEN_NETDEV_FRONTEND" isn't important, right
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23:48<Daevien>akerl: i blame archlinux
23:51<pharaun>that means you blame the romans?
23:51<pharaun>they came up with the arch
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23:51<Daevien>:p
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23:55<ExE>Hi, sombody can help me ?
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23:55<retro|blah>!ask
23:55<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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23:56<ExE>i'm looking for the way to make a vpn for vodafone germany to avoid the roaming
23:56<ExE>in my search alway a[pear linode
23:57<Peng>Linode doesn't offers services in Germany...
23:57<ExE>a friend of mine
23:57<ExE>have this
23:57<ExE>with this ip and hostname
23:57<ExE>50.116.17.163 li404-163.members.linode.com
23:57<ExE>this is a linode server
23:57<Peng>Yes, it is. It's in Dallas, Texas, United States.
23:58<ExE>i don't know how he doit
23:58<ExE>but work's
23:58<Daevien>you can make a vpn, the issue is what do you mean "Avoid the roaming"
23:58<Peng>Yes, that.
23:58<ExE>let me explain
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.99679016, 0.49716204) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 539 of 682 (π ≈ 3.161290322580645 - 0.019697668990852). http://π.hoopycat.com/
23:59<kyhwana>!pi
23:59<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.45708688, 0.54195182) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 540 of 683 (π ≈ 3.162518301610542 - 0.020925648020749). http://π.hoopycat.com/
23:59<kyhwana>!d
23:59<ExE>i'm living in cuba, in my country the inet is really dificult, and in this days a way toi have inet are
23:59<linbot>kyhwana: Now 33% full (mere moments remaining). Last emptied Wednesday, August 08, last full Wednesday, August 08 after running for 18.0 hours.
23:59<ExE>with germany vodafone SIM
23:59<kyhwana>uh oh, you're almost full HoopyCat
23:59<pharaun>33% ?
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