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---Logopened Mon Oct 15 00:00:01 2012
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00:00<XReaper>doing the maths wrong
00:00<@Praefectus>more like 2.50 or 3
00:00<XReaper>Oh ok
00:00<@Praefectus>once you take fees into account
00:00<XReaper>And paying bi-annually...
00:00<jchen>paypal fees yeha
00:00<@Praefectus>which still doesnt make it worthwhile
00:00<Nightmare>Hm.
00:00<@akerl>jchen: boo paypal
00:00<XReaper>Praefectus: oh yes, they get their cut
00:00<@akerl>stripebro
00:00<jchen>stripe?
00:00<@akerl>stripe
00:01<XReaper>stripe?
00:01<@akerl>https://stripe.com/
00:01<jchen>2.9% + 30 cents per transaction doesnt sound much beter than paypal fees
00:01<@Praefectus>paypal, cc fees, or merchant account costs, any way you look at it, its not worthwhile
00:01<@Praefectus>paypal is 3%
00:01<jchen>exactly
00:02<jchen>not that much better
00:02<@akerl>jchen: Except stripe is less likely to decide you're a risk and lock your funds
00:02*jchen srugs
00:02<@akerl>where less likely == not gonna happen
00:04<@Praefectus>given the amount of your average transaction running gameservers, stripe costs more
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00:05<@akerl>I'd still stripe over paypal. If the increased fractional percent in cost were a deciding factor, I'm not making enough to turn a reliable profit anyway
00:06<@Praefectus>i rarely use paypal anyway
00:07<XReaper>then what do you use instead of eBay? :P
00:07<jchen>unixsurplus
00:08<@Praefectus>you buy your parts off ebay?
00:08-!-desc|zenbook [~heh@bb115-66-157-16.singnet.com.sg] has joined #linode
00:08<XReaper>no
00:08<XReaper>why would i do that
00:08<@Praefectus>iunno, why do you kiwis do anything?
00:08<XReaper>cos i'm not a kiwi?
00:09*Praefectus cant tell
00:09<kyhwana>I don't buy stuff of ebay
00:09<XReaper>^ oh look a kiwi
00:09<XReaper>hi kyhwana
00:09-!-brennannovak [~brennanno@75-164-209-202.ptld.qwest.net] has joined #linode
00:10<jchen>what
00:12<chesty>dwolla, mate
00:12<kyhwana>oh hai
00:12<kyhwana>fush und chups
00:12<@akerl>dwollowala
00:13<jchen>bitcoin
00:13<@Praefectus>die
00:14-!-_j45 [~j45@S0106b8c75dc842b3.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #linode
00:15<praetorian>can i play with bits?
00:15<praetorian>i dont mean bitcoins, just bits.
00:15<praetorian>happy to send you lots
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00:18<@akerl>cat /dev/urandom > jchen?
00:22<XReaper>kyhwana: i like me some good fish and chips :)
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00:33*Praefectus loves the seafood
00:33-!-Dreamer3 [~dreamer3@74-133-171-106.dhcp.insightbb.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
00:33<praetorian>do you see food and eat it
00:34<@Praefectus>no, im kinda picky about what i eat
00:34<praetorian>racial.
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00:37<chesty>nasal
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01:22<MTecknology>Praefectus: spicy food only?
01:22*MTecknology likes bhut jolokia & scorpions... mmmmmmmm
01:23<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
01:23<MTecknology>better than bacon!
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01:28<@Praefectus>im italian, we dont do spicy seafood, we do delicious seafood
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01:41<ghosticus>delicious spicy seafood
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01:41<@akerl>sushi?
01:42<@Praefectus>mmmm sushi
01:42*akerl wants to learn to make sushi
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01:42-!-mo [~7be771c4@chat.linode.com] has joined #linode
01:42<mo>Hello
01:42<@akerl>ello
01:43<mo>i need some help i forgot ssh login deatils
01:43<mo>how can get this
01:43<@akerl>Linode Manager -> Dashboard -> Shut Down -> Rescue -> Reset Root Password -> Dashboard -> Boot
01:43<@Praefectus>http://library.linode.com/accounts-and-passwords#sph_resetting-the-root-password
01:44<mo>ok
01:44<mo>after i can access ssh file transfer ?
01:45<@akerl>You'll have your root password then, so you should be able to
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01:49<mo>ok
01:51<mo>how can get username also to login ssh Client
01:51<mo>?
01:53<XReaper>on a clean linode it's root
01:53<XReaper>(new one)
01:53<XReaper>:)
01:54<mo>please tel me where in this option in linode
01:55<@akerl>The default username is "root". If you've made another user, you can use that user, but we don't have a log of users you've created
01:55<XReaper>mo: once you ssh in, you can create your own user
01:56<mo>ok
01:56<mo>thanx
01:56<XReaper>i'd suggest putting a complicated password on root or have it key-only. (you can also disable root logins :/)
01:56<ghosticus>why the :/
01:58<@heckman>root logins using pubkey-only auth <3
01:58<ghosticus>k
01:58<@akerl>single packet auth + 2 factor
01:58<mo>can not loging to ssh
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01:58<@akerl>mo: What's the error?
01:58<KyleXY>hahahah
01:59<mo>i created ne profile
02:00<mo>not error type the password and not goint to account
02:00<mo>passwor is didnt get
02:01<allandavao>how to view my users including root?
02:01<mo>i was created new password your giuding
02:01-!-chovy [~anonymous@108-194-42-92.lightspeed.mtryca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #linode
02:01<allandavao>nvm i got it
02:01<@akerl>allandavao: cat /etc/passwd?
02:01<allandavao>google got it
02:01<chovy>i'm trying to setup an mx record so I can install postfix on my vps, but I don't know what to enter at my registrar: http://chovy.dyndns.org/test/mx.png
02:02<chovy>does anyone know what these values should be?
02:02<allandavao>akerl: thanks. i can cat /root/.bash_history/ but i cannot cat /allan/.bash_history/
02:03<@akerl>allandavao: Not surprising...
02:03<@akerl>/home/allan/.bash_history?
02:04<allandavao>akerl this is my users.kindly check if there's unknown people?im done with my iptables lockdown. :) i just add allan.no more. http://codepad.org/fc7hErrl
02:04<mo> akerl -- please help me
02:05<@akerl>mo: I can provide help equal to the overlap of the information you provide me and my own knowledge. You have provided 0 information, so I can provide 0 help
02:05<KyleXY>mo: you've yet to give a comprehensible question
02:05<KyleXY>heh
02:06<mo>i am type the passowrd and again again aske password
02:06<Kyh>mo: for what?
02:06<allandavao>akerl: operator is not a human right?adm and gopher
02:06<@akerl>-.-
02:06<mo>ssh
02:06<@akerl>Is there a blue moon out or something?
02:06<@akerl>mo: What user/IP are you connecting to?
02:06<Kyh>mo: ... what user? to your linode?
02:07<allandavao>akerl: this one is blue vcsa:x:69:69:virtual console memory owner:/dev:/sbin/nologin
02:07<allandavao>blue moon or color blue
02:07<@akerl>allandavao: I have no earthly idea what you're asking me
02:07<mo>this is IP
02:07<mo>178.79.174.126
02:08<@akerl>What user?
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02:08<mo>root
02:08<@akerl>And you're using the root password you set in the rescue tab?
02:09<mo>yes
02:09<Kyh>mo: using the root password you set in the linode dashboard? (and then rebooted to have it set)
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02:09<@akerl>Kyh: Rebooted for what now?
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02:09<mo>yes just now i done
02:09<allandavao>akerl: i mean, there's no bad hacker people in my list?coz i just add user "allan". http://codepad.org/fc7hErrl
02:09<Kyh>akerl: hrbhg? don't you need to reboot to change the root password?
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02:10<@Praefectus>Kyh: no, you need to shut dowm, change root, then boot
02:10<@akerl>Kyh: If you aren't powered down already, the reset job will fail. His IP is responding now, so if the job suceeded, he's booted back up since
02:10<Kyh>Ahh ok, right.
02:10<@akerl>allandavao: What "bad hacker people" are you talking about?
02:11<mo>what is the solution for that??
02:11<Kyh>mo: type in the correct password
02:12<Kyh>(what if the previous admin set public key only root login/no root login? LISH?)
02:12<@akerl>mo: Either you're typing the wrong password, and you should type the right password, or you did something to prevent root password logins over SSH, in which case you should LISH and fix that
02:12<@akerl>!lish
02:12<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/using-lish-the-linode-shell
02:12<mo>yes type i am copy and paste the apssword
02:14<allandavao>akerl : just want to ask if noe one is accessing the box.or other people entering the box.coz i just added user just "allan"
02:14<@akerl>allandavao: There is no way for me to answer the question you're asking
02:15<@akerl>Whether or not you've been hacked is not dependent on the contents of your user list
02:16<allandavao>sorry and thanks.i just want to lock it down.
02:17<mo>i was enterd corrct pasoowrd
02:18<@akerl>Cool
02:19<mo>??
02:19<@akerl>Is that not a good thing?
02:35<chesty>is that not a fantasy?
02:36<@akerl>Are we human?
02:36<@Praefectus>negative
02:37<chesty>do you like guns or are you human?
02:37<@Praefectus>i like guns
02:37<KyleXY>water guns!
02:38<Peng>Who needs guns? I'm not some weak pathetic human.
02:38<chesty>tollololo
02:38<@mikegrb>lulz
02:38<XReaper>lol
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02:39<chesty>fpsrussian on youtube is worth spending time watching
02:39<@Praefectus>yes
02:39<XReaper>chesty's mum on youtube is worth watching
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02:40<chesty>it's unbelievable the kinds of guns are legal to own in usd, like wtf do you need that cannon for?
02:40<@Praefectus>zombie defense!
02:41<@akerl>chesty: Go troll elsewhere, kthnx?
02:41<chesty>i hear #tardigens is a good place
02:41<XReaper>akerl: who said it's trolling
02:41<XReaper>:P
02:41<@akerl>"wtf do you need that for" isn't a legitimate case for the owning of something being illegal.
02:42<Peng>chesty: I need my cannon in case of British invasion, duh.
02:42<XReaper>akerl: is it illegal to own an ICBM?
02:43<@Praefectus>nope
02:43<chesty>XReaper: join #tardigans
02:43<@Praefectus>you can even buy decommissioned missile silos
02:43<@Praefectus>(to store your icbm)
02:43<XReaper>:O
02:43<EugeneKay>Or urmom's marital aid
02:43<@heckman>Which I guess if you're storingan ICBM in it, makes it no longer decommisioned?
02:44<@Praefectus>well, decommissioned as far as the military is concerned
02:44<@akerl>Is storigan like a toboggan?
02:44<Peng>It's like a toboggan for an ICBM.
02:44<XReaper>Should turn an icbm into a datacentre
02:44<EugeneKay>It's been done
02:44<XReaper>:O
02:44<XReaper>cops come, you launch it
02:45<XReaper>linode + an orbital data centre? why not!
02:46*Praefectus already has an orbital attack platform nearing completion
02:46<mo>i changed password in dashboard
02:46<mo>it succeded
02:47<XReaper>mo: :)
02:47<mo>but my site are not laoding
02:47<XReaper>hmm
02:47<Peng>Praefectus: Another one, you mean?
02:47<mo>i have 3 site in linode
02:47<KyleXY>Did you start the box up again..?
02:47<@Praefectus>Peng: no, this is my first one, some parts are operational, kinda like the death star, but its not complete yet
02:48<mo>box up ?
02:48<XReaper>mo: did you boot it again
02:48<mo>yes
02:48<Peng>Praefectus: ...Isn't there someone named Luke at Linode?
02:48<@Praefectus>yes
02:48<Peng>I see...
02:49<@Praefectus>he isnt a pansy like mark hammill though
02:49<@Praefectus>he took the offer to join the dark side
02:49<mo>please help me ASAP to
02:49<@akerl>mo: LISH
02:49<@akerl>!lish
02:49<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/using-lish-the-linode-shell
02:49<@akerl>Use it
02:49<@heckman>Love it
02:49<Peng>Lish is the force?
02:50<Kyh>mo: find out why your webserver isn't up, check your logs (/var/log/) etc
02:52<mo>how ?
02:52<mo>oh shite still not laoding site
02:52<Kyh>.. look in your logs and find out why your webserver isn't coming up?
02:53<@heckman>Could also try starting it. Maybe you didn't configure it to start at boot?
02:53<linbot>New news from forum: apache-mpm-event: optimizing for linode-512 in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9460&p=54223#p54223>
02:53<@heckman>Your Lish console may have some insight as well.
02:53<mo>i clike reboot button
02:53<mo>i clikced
02:54<@heckman>Right, that reboots it. But your web server/web apps still need to be started by the operating system.
02:54<mo>how long time get that?
02:55*XReaper compiles linux-next for his linode
02:55<@heckman>One of two things happened: 1.) Your web server was never told to start (which means you misconfigured something with the init scripts. 2.) You hit some sort of error when the software tried to start, whhich is most likely a configuration problem as well.
02:55<@heckman>mo: I'm not sure I understand your question.
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02:56<mo>every options are SUCCES in --Host Job Queue
02:56<KyleXY>As far as I'm aware, from his previous dwellings in the channel, he might be running cPanel, but at this point I'm really not sure
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02:56<@Praefectus>hes workin on another kick for ban evasions again too
02:57<@heckman>mo: yes your Linode started, that has absolutely nothing to do with the software within your Linode.
02:57<@heckman>mo: the Linode Manager can only tell if the Linode kept running (and didn't power itself off due to error). It is unaware of what's running within your Linode.
02:58<linbot>New news from forum: caught SIGTERM, shutting down? in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9456&p=54225#p54225> || My server is spamming, need help in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9459&p=54224#p54224>
02:58<mo>yeh server Status is Runinng
02:59<@heckman>Yes it is.
02:59<mo>then why sites are not loading
02:59<@Praefectus>mo: are you reading anything anyone is telling you?
02:59<@heckman>Because *something* within your Linode isn't running.
02:59<@heckman>mo: it's like your desktop being turned on, but Google Chrome is closed. Your system is still running, just your web browser isn't.
02:59<mo>yes
03:00<@heckman>In this case, it is your web server that isn't running. The system itself is. You need to go in there and figure out why it's not behaving as expected.
03:00<@heckman>First step would be to log in and try to start the web server manually. If you get errors, Google search them.
03:00<@heckman>If it fails to start but there are no errors, check your logs for any messages and then Google those.
03:01<@heckman>ugh, chair's gas cylinder is going bad
03:01*heckman sinks to the floor
03:03<Peng>heckman: ....Chrome? Not Firefox. :(
03:03<mo>both
03:03<Peng>...I don't know why I said that. Software arguments are boring.
03:03<@heckman>That would be the equivalent of your system OOMing. "Your system is on, and Firefox is running..."
03:03<Peng>Except for distros and web servers.
03:03<@heckman>Also, Chrome's dev tools = <3
03:03<@akerl>emacs?
03:04<mo>i am closed google crome
03:04<mo>same problem]
03:04<Kyh>...
03:04<@akerl>ohgod
03:04<@Praefectus>mk..
03:04-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*7be771c4@*.linode.com] by Praefectus
03:04-!-mo was kicked from #linode by Praefectus [stop trying to evade your ban]
03:05<Kyh>Praefectus: you're my hery
03:05<Kyh>s/hery/hero
03:05<Kyh>I don't know what a hery is, you might not want to be it
03:05<@Praefectus>i was tryin to give him a chance, not anymore
03:05<@heckman>What was he banned for in the first place?
03:05<chesty>asking questions
03:06<@Praefectus>Kyh: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Hery
03:06<Kyh>heckman: ignoring answers
03:06<@heckman>I'm pretty sure that's not a reason to ban someone.
03:06<Kyh>Praefectus: well ok then
03:06<@Praefectus>he was getting ignorant and cussing at people
03:06<Kyh>heckman: what if they repeatedly ignore answers and start swearing at people?
03:06<@heckman>That makes for a fun experience.
03:07<chesty>there's that parrot again
03:07<KyleXY>Just looked into it
03:07<KyleXY>He didn't have cPanel at all, was just a web server
03:08<KyleXY>http://verify.cpanel.net/index.cgi?ip=178.79.174.126
03:09<KyleXY>Of course, unless he had a illegal copy :p
03:09<XReaper>Praefectus: i feel sorry for anyone else who gets that ip
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03:09<KyleXY>XReaper: I don't heh
03:09<KyleXY>XReaper: chances are slim
03:09<XReaper>KyleXY: :P
03:09<Peng>They'd be slimmer with IPv6 :D :D :D
03:09<chesty>!ipinfo 7be771c4
03:09<linbot>chesty: RedirectRedirect
03:09<Peng>What
03:09<KyleXY>chesty: that hasn't worked in a bit
03:10<XReaper>Peng: chat.linode.com is ipv4 only
03:10<KyleXY>chesty: http://sami.on.eniten.com/hex2ip/
03:10*chesty redirects
03:10<Peng>XReaper: For shame
03:10<@heckman>So when did this other ban happen?
03:10<KyleXY>Hex string 7be771c4 is
03:10<KyleXY>123.231.113.196 (123.231.113.196)
03:10*heckman is curious
03:10<XReaper>heckman: there have been 3 bans so far
03:10<XReaper>maybe more, i'm not countin
03:10<KyleXY>07:10 -!- 33 - #linode: ban *!*713bde6d@*.linode.com [by Praefectus!~zeus@comms.vaevictis.ws, 591318 secs ago]
03:10<KyleXY>I think that was the first
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03:11<@Praefectus>thurs night was the first, or maybe fri
03:11<@heckman>Monday Oct 8, nice.
03:11<@Praefectus>or im way off
03:13<Peng>...Might as well remove the earlier bans.
03:13<Peng>Jeez, sure got a lotta bans in here.
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04:00<linbot>New news from forum: Help with setting up Citadel (Debian 6 Squeeze) in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9447&p=54226#p54226>
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05:18<XReaper>BAH... systemd + pv-grub kernel and it isn't bringing up the getty on hvc0 automatically... worked under linode kernel... must be missing a kernel arg
05:19<Peng>Depending on your kernel the device might have a different name, right?
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05:21<@akerl>XReaper: What kernel?
05:21<XReaper>linux-next
05:21<XReaper>akerl: i've checked the kernel args that come with a default kernel... might try that
05:21<@akerl>...
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05:21<XReaper>hmm?
05:22<XReaper>it boots
05:22<XReaper>right now i'm booting it with root=/dev/xvda rootflags=nobarrier ro console=hvc0
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05:33<chesty>you forgot funroll-loops
05:37<XReaper>never mind. systemd brings up the getty... just doesn't show up in lish
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05:41<XReaper>akerl: fixed it by using the kernel args that a normal kernel gets booted with
05:42<rkrk>Can I create a new linode as a clone from an existing one, and pass that linode to another user account?
05:42<XReaper>Yes
05:42<rkrk>How do i do that?
05:42<Kyh>I think you both have to open tickets with the various details
05:42<XReaper>submit a support ticket from both ends to confirm receipt of the linode
05:43<XReaper>like account names etc
05:43<rkrk>OK, so first to clone the linode in one account and then open ticket to transfer it
05:43<XReaper>Yup
05:43<@Praefectus>rkrk: or use http://library.linode.com/migration/copy-disk-image-different-account
05:43<XReaper>Oh, haven't seen that one
05:44<rkrk>thank you very much guys
05:44<XReaper>rkrk: doing it that way won't cost you any $$ on your account :P
05:45<XReaper>so technically i could make a freebsd xen-pv image and dd it onto a linode :P
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06:22<m88k>can someone help me with a quick linode/Google Apps/MX records question? I've got two identically configured domains in linode DNS, pointing to the same linode, but mail delivery only works to one of them, and i'm not sure how to troubleshoot
06:23<m88k>of course both are confirmed in google apps panel
06:24<hawk>m88k: What are the domain names?
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06:35<hawk>I suppose that works too
06:36<XReaper>... the linodes don't recieve the mail
06:36<XReaper>ha
06:36<hawk>huh?
06:37<@Praefectus>wut?
06:42<XReaper>hud?
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07:00<linbot>New news from forum: Help Required! - Website expecting big increase in traffic in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9461&p=54227#p54227>
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09:06<arvind>Hi
09:06<arvind>I am planning to buy linode vps . I want cpanel installed with this server. is it available with linode?
09:07<Peng>Linode does not sell cPanel licences or install it automatically, but you can do both of those yoursel.
09:08<Peng>f
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09:09<@qmr>win 3
09:10<XReaper>!library cpanel
09:10<linbot>XReaper: 1. cPanel on CentOS 5 - http://library.linode.com/web-applications/control-panels/cpanel/centos-5 | 2. cPanel Guides - http://library.linode.com/web-applications/control-panels/cpanel | 3. Set Up DNS Services on cPanel - http://library.linode.com/web-applications/control-panels/cpanel/dns-on-cpanel
09:14<XReaper>arvind: http://cpanel.net/plans-pricing/ you will be up for approx $200/annum
09:16<XReaper>can be had cheaper from a reseller :)
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09:19<arvind>yes. it s damn costly !
09:19<XReaper>https://www.buycpanel.com/order
09:19<XReaper>they have it for $15/month
09:19<XReaper>arvind: yeah... and it's per-licence :(
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09:22<XReaper>arvind: are you planning on doing a shared hosting set up or is this for personal use?
09:22<arvind>Is there any alternative open source application available compared to cpanel ?
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09:23<XReaper>you have virtualmin... webmin... directadmin?
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09:27<Peng>The other "open source alternative" is, of course, not to use a control panel at all.
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09:27<hawk>Peng: madness!
09:27<zibri>the open source way!
09:28<Peng>The...no source way. All the source is open, because there is none!
09:28<XReaper>yay!
09:28<zibri>i'm starting No Software Foundation
09:28<XReaper>:)
09:29<XReaper>you turn your computer on
09:29<XReaper>and
09:29<XReaper>NOTHING :D
09:29<zibri>total freedom!
09:29<XReaper>yeah!
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09:38<Peng>I just noticed arvind probably missed my message.
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09:44<zibri>peng: i don't you'd convince him though ;/. some people like flashy web things
09:46<hawk>zibri: But they're wrong!
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09:48<Peng>damn them!
09:49<XReaper>to hell?
09:49<Peng>That's where they are now. Double-hell, maybe?
09:50<zibri>dante left out the part about people who like web control panels, it would have been too graphic
10:03<linbot>New news from forum: Help Required! - Website expecting big increase in traffic in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9461&p=54228#p54228>
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10:14<XReaper>TIL linux-next doesn't work :D
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10:22<bacon>Good day to you sirs!
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10:24<FordPrefect>greetings human
10:24<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:24<linbot>no bumans, only bacon
10:24<bacon>human? What is this human that you talk about?
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10:25<linbot>New news from forum: Help Required! - Website expecting big increase in traffic in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9461&p=54229#p54229>
10:26<bacon>Someone needs to experience a slashdot/reddit/moop/digg/delicious effect
10:26<Peng>NOT ME
10:29<bacon>I finally found a use case for a tablet and bought one. After 2 days of use, my attitude towards my "do everything I need" droid is that it's a small tablet with a crappy little screen, rather than the tablet being a big cell phone that is too big to be a cell phone.
10:31<dzho>yes
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10:54<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:54<XReaper>bacon: ha
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10:58<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
10:58<dzho>bacon: so, what size tablet, and have you ever used an e-reader to any significant extent?
11:00<bacon>10.1. no sir, I don't get a chance to read much nowadays
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11:07<dzho>ah. I was wondering if you got that, or something in the 7" range, like the Nexus 7 etc
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11:08<bacon>no sir, need the real estate for dashboards
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11:10<boose>hi, can someone help me optimize apache2.2 on debian squeeze? i'm going to install apache2-mpm-worker, and use fcgid and php-fpm. is that the bes t way to optimize it, meaning are there other ways to use less ram for the same amount of clients?
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11:15<boose>anyone here have an aeron chair? my company bought these chairs recently, but they don't have armrests... i was wondering if you can buy them
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11:16<rnowak>my aeron sure came with armrests, as did every single one that we bought at work
11:16<boose>rnowak lucky you
11:16<boose>i have a mirra chair at home, i may end up bringing it in
11:16<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: SSL Certificates with Apache 2 on Ubuntu 12.04 (Precise Pangolin) <http://library.linode.com/web-servers/apache/ssl-guides/ubuntu-12.04-precise-pangolin>
11:16<rnowak>in other words: I am sure you can get them if they weren't part of the initial purchase
11:17<navi>My linode was suspended for non-payment, now I paid the amount, booted up but my site is still not reachable including ssh.
11:17<purrdeta>navi: ticket will be faster for you.
11:17<@akerl>navi: What's the IP?
11:17<navi>purrdeta, I already created.
11:18<navi>akerl, 178.79.187.223
11:18<@akerl>navi: Did you change your SSH port?
11:19<navi>akerl, yes
11:19<boose>rnowak i just called herman miller, only $38, not bad!
11:19<@akerl>What's the changed port?
11:19<rnowak>boose: ah, that's not bad indeed
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11:19<navi>akerl, I PMed you.
11:19<@akerl>I /wc'd it
11:20<@akerl>This is the community; I don't do PM support
11:20<wblew>akerl: still at it
11:20<navi>akerl, sorry, it's 4129
11:20<purrdeta>navi: you realize we can all just portscan your IP and find the SSH port right? :P
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11:20<bking>hello, i have a question about billing
11:20<navi>purrdeta, don't use word "portscan" for now :)
11:20<boose>bking probably better to open a ticket, tbh
11:20<@akerl>navi: Your IP responds to ping, but your SSH server isn't responding. I'd recommend hitting up LISH and checking firewall/htop/netstat
11:21<bking>oh okay
11:21<bking>thanks
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11:21<@akerl>-.-
11:21<rnowak>OH MY GOD, QUICKLY, fire up the VB6GUI and trace down purrdeta
11:21<@akerl>90% chance we could have answered his question here
11:22<@akerl>rnowak: Can't; he's proxying behind over 20 masking reverse backhops
11:22<purrdeta>I'm just exceedingly clever.
11:22<@akerl>We may be able to inject a tracking cookie into his packet stream to find his address, though
11:22<rnowak>unless he placed a cookie monster somewhere inbetween
11:22<rnowak>it would just nom it up
11:23<purrdeta>Oh silly. I *AM* the cookie monster.
11:23<navi>akerl, lish says this http://paste.linode.com/7120
11:23<@akerl>Well that doesn't look pleasant
11:23<boose>can anyone recommend a guide that teaches you how to optimize apache 2.2? i'm planning on using apache2-mpm worker rather than prefork, and fcgid and php-fpm... any other suggestions?
11:23<@akerl>nginx?
11:24<boose>akerl i'd prefer to stick to apache
11:24<rnowak>boose: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/
11:24<@akerl>navi: You'll likely want to log in and see what's causing those errors
11:24<rnowak>best apache guide you will find around
11:24<hawk>navi: Did you boot with a different kernel from what you used before? Or anything like that?
11:24<boose>rnowak thanks, i'm reading the performance tuning section now
11:25<navi>hawk, nothing like that. I just booted up my linode after being suspended.
11:25<boose>is nginx's rewrite engine as powerful/flexible as apache? i would consider switching to nginx iff it can handle logic in rewrites, and isn't too terrible to set up (the rewrites)
11:25<boose>i've had some difficult times with apache and rewrites
11:26<navi>akerl, Do I boot into rescue linux? unable to use lish
11:26<rnowak>boose: it is I'd say, I've not run into any issues where I couldn't do what I wanted to with it
11:28<boose>rnowak is it difficult to learn? i'm using a cakephp app built in 2009 with underscores in URLs, and rebuilding it in drupal, which uses hyphens. that's probably the biggest change in url strcuture, besides individual URLs sometimes changing (though not always needing redirects)
11:28<rnowak>nothing is difficult to learn, given enough time, and I can't tell you how difficult it would be for you
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12:25<boose>has anyone used dotdeb's repos here? i need to install php5-fpm and i don't want to compile, so this looks to be my only option. i am VERY hesitant to use a non-official repo. any suggestions (i'm considering switching to ubuntu 12.04 as they have php5-fpm available)...
12:25<linbot>New news from forum: What Do Linode do If I Get DDOS in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9462&p=54234#p54234>
12:27<bacon>yawn
12:27<@akerl>boose: I'd probably compile from source before using another repo, but some folks swear by dotdeb
12:31<rnowak>I'd never use a third party repo unless it is just used for their own software, like rabbitmq provides
12:31<linbot>New news from forum: What Do Linode do If I Get DDOS in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9462&p=54237#p54237>
12:31<Peng>Why?
12:32<rnowak>Because then you're relying on a third party to make sure updates are lined up as soon as possible, and you're also relying on them not getting compromised
12:32<Peng>Mm.
12:33<boose>rnowak i agree... so i guess my option is to deploy another linode with a different distro. but which one? what supports php-fpm and is stable, other than ubuntu 12.04?
12:33<rnowak>I'd compile myself in your case
12:33<rnowak>I won't be leaving my precious debian for a non-issue like that ;)
12:33<boose>debian stable is great, except when it comes to video and performance apps, i think
12:33<rnowak>what?
12:33<boose>rnowak but then *i* have to maintain and update it
12:33<rnowak>yes, yes you do
12:33<boose>rnowak i ran into issues with using it as a video server due to licensing issues and debian
12:34<rnowak>what has that to do with the operating system itself?
12:34<rnowak>and I run debian on a several thousand node compute cluster, we've not had any performance issues yet that I am aware of
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12:35<boose>rnowak it speaks of the package management
12:35<boose>if i can't use specific packages without dotdebt or deb-multimedia, that stinks :/
12:35<rnowak>what?
12:36<boose>i don't want to rely on dotdeb or deb-multimedia repos
12:36<Peng>boose: Yes, it stinks if packages you want are unavailable. Sadly, the world is not perfect. It's a trade-off.
12:36<rnowak>yes, then don't
12:36<boose>Peng well, do you know of other distros that have php5-fpm in a stable release? i'm willing to learn another distro
12:36<linbot>New news from forum: My server is spamming, need help in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9459&p=54239#p54239> || What Do Linode do If I Get DDOS in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9462&p=54238#p54238>
12:37<rnowak>what if your new distro happens to not have a package you need in the future?
12:37<rnowak>will you just kneejerk switch then as well?
12:37<hays>man linux kernel guys play hardball when it comes to video (re: DMA-BUF)
12:37<boose>rnowak this is a problem i run into often, i.e., the need for high performance apps (e.g. php-fpm, nginx) and i keep running into it
12:37<boose>i really don't want to switch, but i REALLY don't want to compile my own apps
12:38<rnowak>high performance apps, php-fpm, nginx?
12:38<rnowak>you've got to be kidding me ;p
12:39<rnowak>php and high performance does not go in the same sentence, fwiw
12:39<hays>what is a high performance server-side language? C?
12:39<@akerl>PHP is Perfect High Performance, right?
12:40<Spitfire>PHP's Hardly Programming.
12:40<boose>well, high performance to me
12:40<Yaakov>All my websites are done in assembler.
12:40<boose>i guess i'll compile php-fpm
12:40<Nivex>PHP Has Problems
12:40<boose>i don't want to jump ship, rnowak
12:40<rnowak>hays: C, Fortran, Python with Cython + numeric libraries linked with MKL, is what we use for HPC stuff
12:40<Turl>facebook runs on php, justsayin'
12:41<rnowak>no, they don't
12:41<@akerl>They write some stuff in PHP; it doesn't run PHP
12:41<Yaakov>I am switching to doing all my websites in FPGAs because the performance of assembler is not enough.
12:41<Nivex>Anyone have a good recommendation for a simple templating system? Right now I'm using PHP for essentially header/footer stuff and would like to get it to where if I edit a page (happens once in a blue moon) I can just run something akin to 'make' and have it spit out all the static HTML
12:42<Yaakov>Nivex: M4!
12:42<rnowak>Nivex: any particular language?
12:42<Nivex>Yaakov: uhm, oww.
12:42<Nivex>rnowak: I'm partial to Python, but flexible.
12:42<rnowak>if not, Mako (python), can be used like that from the command line
12:43<hays>Yaakov: Go with ASICs. much more efficient
12:43<Yaakov>hays: I need the agility of FPGAs.
12:43<hays>agile is just a buzzword meaning "low performance"
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12:44<rnowak>Nivex: Mako is the templating engine of choice for dynamic sites for me as well, but there are other nice ones as well
12:44<Nivex>rnowak: thanks. I'd fiddled around with kid and genshi awhile back.
12:45<rnowak>jinja2 is a common choice, and is the default in flask
12:45<Yaakov>hays: We were using discrete transistors and wire wrap but we ran out of warehouses to hold them and the power bills were getting out of hand.
12:45<hays>anyway i thought PHP could be configured to be relatively high performance, with caching and other workarounds... I mean it has been proven to scale decently hasn't it?
12:45<@akerl>hays: With enough workarounds, anything can scale decently
12:45<hays>Yaakov: maybe you can go with an AWS/Mechanical Turk implementation
12:46<@akerl>If you want web scale, you oughta just use mongo and node
12:46<rnowak>oh lordy
12:46<@akerl>rnowak: Back to youtube?
12:46<hays>akerl: you may be right but that's kinda on the bleeding edge of things isn't it?
12:46<rnowak>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
12:46<rnowak>yes, akerl
12:46<Nivex>!webscale
12:46<linbot>It's web scale! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
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12:46<@akerl>\o/
12:47<rnowak>oh, excellent Nivex
12:47<@akerl>!node
12:47<linbot>akerl: "node" could be eth0 is created by default, with all of your ip addresses *activated* on the host. DHCP server on the *host* is also configured. Host = the machine your Linode is running on, not the Linode itself. You must manually configure networking inside your Linode *OR* configure your system to use DHCP as a client.
12:47<@akerl>L<
12:47<@akerl>:<
12:47<@akerl>ah
12:47<rnowak>haha
12:47<rnowak>you turn it on and it scales right off
12:47<Yaakov>!akerl
12:47<linbot>Bot bloat makes him a sad panda
12:48<@akerl>Yaakov: Hypocrisy is the spice of life
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12:48<Yaakov>akerl: Interesting theory.
12:49<hays>haha dev/null is web scale
12:50<hays>"does dev null support sharting?" gotta love text to speech
12:52*MajObviousman wrote a simple web server to pipe output from /dev/urandom for every response
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12:52<MajObviousman>10 lines of python!
12:53<@akerl>MajObviousman: Was there a particular objective besides "because I can"?
12:54<rnowak>this ddos thread is hilarious, just like all the other ones before it
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12:54<MajObviousman>akerl: to show someone how easy it is to use twisted
12:54<Peng>MajObviousman: I think I could do it in...7? with Flask.
12:54<@akerl>ugh twisted
12:55<MajObviousman>Peng: haven't used flask, kinda want to
12:55<rnowak>I can do it with one line in python, your python-fu just sucks
12:55<Peng>I meant non-perverted lines.
12:55<MajObviousman>rnowak: very possibly
12:55<MajObviousman>but yeah, was readable and such
12:55<MajObviousman>and was a demonstration
12:55<MajObviousman>but no matter what urmom
12:56<@akerl>I sadface at things that don't support python3, which includes most of twisted
12:58<hays>python 3 seems to be rather slow in uptake
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12:58<rnowak>python 3.3 is the first version I would consider using in the py3k series, but unfortunately can't due to a few packages being unavailable for it
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12:59<@akerl>rnowak: I have the luxury that I'm writing code for myself, so I don't need to worry about lack of support outside of my individual use case
12:59<rnowak>matplotlib is not available for py3k, that singlehandedly makes it unusable for me
12:59<MajObviousman>yeah, this chicken and egg problem isn't really solved yet
12:59*MajObviousman is fine with using 2.x honestly
13:00<MajObviousman>I'm still on 1.8.x with ruby
13:00<MajObviousman>not by choice mind you
13:00<rnowak>the day mpl gets py3k support, is the day I will switch over to it
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13:12<Peng>Hmm, /dev/urandom in Flask was not quite as short as I hoped. https://gist.github.com/3893701 The main function is two lines long, but there's a decent amount of boilerplate.
13:13<Peng>Yes, that file is two-thirds MIT license and whitespace :)
13:13<@akerl>python loves whitespace
13:15<Peng>Hmm, runs at about 3 MB/s.
13:16<Peng>http://cheezum.mattnordhoff.net:8080/ for the next few moments if anyone wants to eat my entropy.
13:17<Peng>If we see one of the #linode link-checking bots ping out soon, sorry :X
13:17<@akerl>:P
13:18<Yaakov>What do you get at this URL?
13:18<Yaakov>http://blogs.wsj.com/health/
13:18<Peng>Yaakov: At my URL? /dev/urandom. At your URL? 404.
13:18<Peng>Yaakov: "The requested URL was not found on this server. (66.249.71.208)" which is Googlebot
13:18<Peng>I am not Googlebot.
13:18<Yaakov>Refresh it.
13:19<Yaakov>Something very odd is going on with it.
13:19<Peng>Yaakov: Same thing, but some other hosting company's IP.
13:19<MajObviousman>Peng: needs a line to read a random amount of bytes between 400 and 48,000
13:19<Peng>MajObviousman: Why?
13:19<Yaakov>So, what's the deal with that?
13:19<Peng>Yaakov: Presumably broken + cache.
13:20<@akerl>It looks like their balancing is doing funky things
13:20<Peng>Yaakov: It returns a 200 OK, too.
13:20<Yaakov>Sometimes it reports my IP, sometimes random other IPs.
13:20<Yaakov>It's odd, that's certain.
13:20<Peng>Yeah, it's definitely going through an LB.
13:20<Peng>Also, CentOS/Apache/PHP.
13:21<MajObviousman>Peng: because it's a simulation of delivering "real" traffic
13:21<MajObviousman>well mine was
13:21<MajObviousman>if you just want to stream random data, you could do a chargen server
13:21<MajObviousman>port 7!
13:21<MajObviousman>why the hell do I remember that?
13:21<MajObviousman>wait no, port 19
13:22<Peng>Hmm, it seems to have broken.
13:23<Peng>It accepts the connection and then sits there.
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13:33<boose>how can i edit the changelog of a .deb i put together? i need to make an edit to a typo before i list the .deb for download
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13:37<MajObviousman>Peng: flaskfail!
13:37<Surz>By default, "rsync -vn" outputs all directories, even ones which will not be changed at all. How can I do a verbose rsync (dry run with n), which shows me only things that will actually change?
13:38<Peng>MajObviousman: You're not supposed to use the development server much, but yeah. :(
13:38<Peng>http://c.mn9.us:8081/ is still working. And I downloaded 2.5 GB of data to /dev/null, whoops.
13:39<MajObviousman>well that's an appropriate place for it to go
13:39<Gnewt>Peng: Is that just infinite random data?
13:39<Peng>Won't be generatin' any SSL certs today...
13:39<Peng>Gnewt: Yes.
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13:39*MajObviousman checks code again
13:39<Peng>Surz: It...doesn't do that for me o_O
13:40<Peng>Surz: Sure you got the rsync command right?
13:40<MajObviousman>Peng: you're using urandom, which is overflowing int fields and not cannibalizing your entropy
13:40<MajObviousman>for the latter you'd use /dev/random
13:41<Peng>MajObviousman: I thought it cannibalized most of my entropy first, though.
13:42<MajObviousman>hmm, you might be right
13:42<MajObviousman>A counterpart to /dev/random is /dev/urandom ("unlocked"/non-blocking random source[4]) which reuses the internal pool to produce more pseudo-random bits. This means that the call will not block, but the output may contain less entropy than the corresponding read from /dev/random. While it is still intended as a pseudorandom number generator suitable for most cryptographic purposes, it is not recommended for the generation of long-ter
13:43<Nivex>of long-ter[CUT]
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13:45<Peng>:8080 got hit by some proxy scan bot after five minutes. :(
13:45<MajObviousman>hah
13:45<ghosticus>:O
13:46<MajObviousman>somebody in here perhaps?
13:46<ghosticus>by linbot!
13:46*bacon has a tough time explaining the benefits of virtualization to someone who uses only the lack of entropy urandom sometimes experiences as an argument against it.
13:47<Nivex>http://lukenotricks.blogspot.com/2009/12/usb-entropy-drive.html
13:47<Nivex>sadly the site selling the actual devices seems to be down at the moment :(
13:48<Peng>Sadly, the request got totally butchered and it only returned 400s and 404s.
13:48<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:48<Peng>bacon: RdRand
13:48<bacon>Peng, he raffuses to budge on his belief
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13:49<bacon>It's fine, I recently switched from dev to ops so his crap is deployed where i deploy it.
13:49<@akerl>mandb # best way to get bits without hardware
13:52<bacon>I'm planning to rig up an entropy server up to a weather station we have.
13:53<bacon>none of this psuedo-whatchamacallits
13:53<Surz>Peng, well I'm actually using "rsync -vacn", c for checksum (more realiable than just mod date and size), and a for archive.
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13:57<MajObviousman>Nivex: damn that's pretty wicked
13:57<MajObviousman>and cheap too
13:58<Peng>Surz: Yeah.
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13:58<boose>i just read the link from that link; i didn't really there are $5/month VPSs
13:58<boose>i can't imagine they are as good as linode though
13:59<MajObviousman>a lot of them are OpenVZ
13:59<Surz>Peng, never mind. they are getting changed because I got the owner messed up
13:59<Surz>:S
13:59<boose>that's a slow virtualization set, right?
13:59<MajObviousman>and while we could quibble semantics over the definition of VPS
13:59<MajObviousman>it's your own OS without guaranteed resources
13:59<MajObviousman>usually heavily oversold
14:00<boose>i looked at one from that link, it said 128MB guaranteed, with burstable to 256
14:00<boose>i guess that's the fine print
14:00<MajObviousman>yeap
14:00<Peng>boose: It's not that it's slow, it's that it's basically a chroot jail, and it's easy to oversell RAM, and a lot of sucky VZ providers do that.
14:00<Peng>boose: So, yes, the experience is frequently awful. But it's not really VZ's fault.
14:00<boose>and they were arguing that linode uses hardware from 2000 primarily.
14:00<boose>erm, 2009
14:00<Peng>Performance-wise, anyway.
14:00<MajObviousman>OpenVZ by itself is not evil. It's how vendors tend to bend it over the desk and pillage for extra profit
14:00<boose>which i see no issue with... if they have a setup they like, and it ain't broke...
14:01<Peng>Boring link #3 for the day: Six-line access.log from that proxy bot: https://mn0.us/k8aQ/access.log
14:02<boose>is vonskippy in here? what does this phrase mean? " just shows how clueless you are about running a 4 or 5 nines operation.
14:02<boose>" 4 or 5 nines?
14:02<MajObviousman>Peng: looks like they were expecting an SSL connection
14:02<purrdeta>boose: 99.99% or 99.999% uptime/.
14:02<rnowak>boose: 9.9999% uptime, etc
14:03<rnowak>yes, move dot to the right
14:03<boose>OH, i get it
14:03<Peng>rnowak: Don't move the dot to the right if you're OpenVZ.
14:03<MajObviousman>Peng: bah hahaha
14:04<rnowak>:)
14:04<boose>linode uses xen, right? what is the difference between xen and kvm?
14:04<rnowak>google it, really
14:04<Peng>Most importantly, Xen's older.
14:04<Peng>Most important for Linode, anyway.
14:04<Peng>No way to use KVM before it existed.
14:05<MajObviousman>there are subtle but important differences
14:05<Peng>You know, an infinite /dev/urandom stream would be a great feature to add to my 404 pages.
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14:07<MajObviousman>no because then people would 404 you all the time just to get to your randomness
14:08<Peng>Well if Linode would give me RdRand that would be okay!
14:08<Peng>Fine, pseudorandom. Stream of hashes.
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14:36<Daedolon>hey XReaper
14:36<iteye>Hi 2 all. Where can I get info about Mhz for each linode plan
14:37<Nightmare>iteye: They'll vary throughout Linodes, but it's fairly high
14:37*Nightmare goes to check hers
14:37<seanh-ansca> /proc/cpuinfo
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14:37<Nightmare>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz
14:37<bacon>2270
14:37<Nightmare>Mind you, you get four cores of that
14:38<bacon>moarcore!
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14:38<bacon>iteye, AFAICT CPU is oversold, but not excessively so.
14:38<boose>i want to use php-fpm rather than php-fastcgi for handling a php app. php-fpm.org says, "PHP-FPM is now included in PHP core as of PHP 5.3.3." and packages.debian says that for debian squeeze (stable), the package of php5 is "5.3.3-7+squeeze14" - does that mean i have php-fpm built in??
14:41<iteye>My VPS 1.7Ghz+1024RAM by hetzer is veeeryyy slow, i search some solution.
14:41<@caker>iteye: you have found it. :)
14:42<iteye>And I'm worried about whether it would be the minimum plan is bad for me. Sorry for google translate.
14:43<boose>iteye you can upgrade if necessary
14:43<bacon>Hetzner is great for lower-level hosting. I moved from them here.
14:44<iteye>Ok. I think i can test it.
14:44<boose>iteye :) good luck
14:44<Nightmare>Yup, should certainly find yourself s good place here with Linode. :)
14:44<sean>boose: in testing fpm comes as a separate package, i'm not sure if it's in the php5-cgi package in squeeze
14:45<boose>sean i just realized it is not :(
14:45<iteye>But the cost of a Hetzer for VPS 2.4 $ =)
14:45<boose>so i'm stuck either compiling from source or using dotdeb's repos, which i hear is not a good thing
14:45<bacon>iteye, and you get what you pay for.
14:45<Nightmare>^
14:45<boose>but i'm afraid to compile by source, miss a security update and get hacked... :/
14:45<sean>boose: or bumping up to wheezy
14:45<boose>iteye if your business model can't sustain $20/month to host your business, something is wrong
14:45<bacon>iteye, sign up for a linode and play for a few days. If you aren't taken, you can cancel your account and get a partial refund (Yes?)
14:45<boose>sean wheezy isn't stable though?
14:46<sean>boose: you can run php5-cgi in a very similar way, with php actually doing the sub process management
14:46<boose>sean can you explain?
14:46<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:46<hawk>bacon: "Oversold" in what sense? The actual spec doesn't even cover cpu and what the faq says is just that you are guaranteed an equal share but can use more if others idle.
14:46<sean>boose: with debian's release cycles sid is almost stable :-p
14:47<bacon>hawk, "can use more if others idle" implies oversold.
14:47<boose>sean i run on a production server, so i can't take the chance on having a server down
14:47<boose>because of broken software
14:47<boose>i run tomcat, apache (though switching to nginx), php and mysql on one vps
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14:47<bacon>hawk, And I meant to say not nearly as much as some other VPS' that I've molested.
14:47<ghosticus>molested huh
14:47<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:47<hawk>bacon: "Oversold" to me implies that if everyone can't get what they were promised at the same time. WHat you were promised was an equal share.
14:48<iteye>Where i can find more info about linode plans?
14:48<boose>iteye www.linode.com
14:48<bacon>hawk, overselling is done at a specific ratio. ISPs for example oversell their bandwidth. The bad ones do 1:20 or 1:50 even, and the good ones 1:10.
14:48<bacon>* or less.
14:48<iteye>There just price, storage, transferan RAM
14:49<iteye>*and
14:49<bacon>iteye, you can run whatever linux flavour you want.
14:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:49<hawk>bacon: Yes, but if all the ISPs promised was an equal share, then they wouldn't be overselling. Right?
14:49<bacon>hawk, if the ratio was 1:1, yes, but that's not sustainable.
14:50<sean>boose: look at part 2 of this http://www.fastcgi.com/drupal/node/5?q=node/10
14:50<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:50<hawk>bacon: How would it not be sustainable? It would just mean that they would only guarantee very low speeds.
14:50<sean>boose: and then throw something like this in your apache config, "FastCgiConfig -idle-timeout 500 -maxClassProcesses 1"
14:51<bacon>hawk, sure, but if an ISP advertised 100kbps, they wouldn't sell anything.
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14:51<sean>boose: what that will do is tell fastcgi to launch one php processes and give all of the requests to it, then the php cgi will launch sub processes up to the limit you set to deal with requests
14:51<boose>sean thanks
14:52<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:52<hawk>bacon: Yeah, but that's beyond the point. And that is essentially what Linode appear to be doing wrt CPU, they barely promise anything but in practice it works out pretty well.
14:52<sean>boose: that also makes it easy to run the whole thing through suexec which has other benefits
14:52<boose>sean i hear suexec isn't trivial...
14:52<bacon>hawk, you seem to be taking the concept of overselling negatively. I'm not using it in a negative light in this case. From what iteye describes, hetzner oversells their CPU at a higher ratio than linode.
14:52<sean>hawk: to a certain degree you can see what's being "stolen" from you cpu wise
14:53<iteye>and what about bandwidth ?
14:53<sean>boose: you just have to set the cigWrapper and make sure your stuff has the right permissions
14:53<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:53<hawk>bacon: No, you're not getting my point then. I'm not even defending Linode or anything, I just don't see how "overselling" applies in a scenario where the spec just says "you are only guaranteed an equal share".
14:53<boose>i see, okay
14:54<boose>alright, i'm off for the day. have a great rest of the day #linode and sean!
14:54<sean>boose: so i guess if you don't have a good idea behind how permissions work, then it might be non trivial, but in principal it's not that bad
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14:57<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:57<hawk>bacon: At least in my book "overselling" is about the difference between what is promised/advertised/whatever and what you will actually get worst case. In this case there are no fancy promises made, hence I don't see how it applies.
14:57<bacon>hawk, worst case being everyone using 100% CPU
14:58<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:58<hawk>bacon: Yes
14:59<EugeneKay>The fact that Linode gives you >1 core to abuse when nobody else is using the host's processors makes them about 9000% better than every other VPS host
14:59<bacon>And if that worse case scenario were to happen, everyone wouldn't get the same performance as under normal circumstances
15:00<bacon>I forget what we are debating about. I suggest we agree to end it and that I win this round.
15:00*EugeneKay chews on bacon
15:01<Peng>iteye: Bandwidth? You're limited to 50 Mbps outbound by default, which can be raised if you need it. Inbound isn't anything specific. I've gotten like 500 Mbps the few times I've checked.
15:01<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:01<hawk>bacon: Of course they wouldn't.
15:01*bacon gives thanks for remembering to wear his naga viper perfume.
15:02<Peng>Hmm, 700 Mbps, but that's LAN :P
15:02<bacon>*cologne
15:03<bacon>over fibre?
15:03<bacon>Or copper?
15:03<GLaDOSDan>guys its safe to store credit card numbers in cookies right
15:03<GLaDOSDan>i want to be PCI compliant and all
15:03<bacon>GLaDOSDan, yes
15:03<GLaDOSDan>good
15:03<GLaDOSDan>i am using the latest rot13 encryption so it is ok
15:03<bacon>apply it twice for good measure.
15:04<GLaDOSDan>well
15:04<GLaDOSDan>i can use any number of rounds of rot13 as long as it's an even number of rounds right
15:04<GLaDOSDan>(related article: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2012/Oct/101 )
15:04<bacon>yes, even is better than odd.
15:04<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:04<hawk>bacon: I get a feeling you are trying to read something between the lines of what I'm saying. I meant exactly what I said, ie, I don't see how "overselling" can be applied in a situation where you were sold the crappy 1:1.
15:04<bacon>'cause bits are measured in even numbers, you'd want to guarantee that things align correctly.
15:05<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:05<Peng>bacon: over LCOUD
15:05<Peng>.... CLOUD :(
15:05<bacon>hawk, I'm distracted by work, so I was being genuine about forgetting exactly what we were arguing about.
15:05<bacon>Or, what I was.
15:06<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:06<Peng>bacon: liar
15:07<bacon>Peng, last month we deployed a service to allow users to save their configs in our back-office. S&M are freaking out at finally being able to sell "The Cloud (dun dun daaah)"
15:07<bacon>The sad thing is that it's working.
15:08<hawk>The cloud never fails!
15:08<bacon>GLaDOSDan, If it were april i'd be suspicious. Now I am even more so about those cowboys.
15:09<bacon>hawk: Rock, Paper, Scissors to resolve this?
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15:09<EugeneKay>I wonder if it'd be possible to play that game on IRC
15:10<EugeneKay>Maybe with linbot's help?
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15:10<mike>Hello, does anyone have any experience deploying linode for use with mainland China?
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15:11<bacon>EugeneKay, everything is possibru
15:11<bacon>And I always cheat and pick Tsar Bomb.
15:11<bacon>damnit!
15:14<Peng>calimike: Well, Fremont and Tokyo are closest, but China's international connectivity can be pretty bad.
15:14<plasickoto>are there any issue with london linodes?
15:14<plasickoto>seems to be slow
15:14<plasickoto>if not, what can i do
15:14<Peng>plasickoto: You'll have to be more specific.
15:15<plasickoto>it just seems slow, requests to site are almost timing out
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15:17<plasickoto>isnt there a sort of debuging check to see if my linode has any issues?
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15:19<Daedolon>maybe someone could help me, I created a sftponly usergroup for site managament, but whenever they upload something, the files are chowned to the users, which means nobody else can edit them
15:20<sean>plasickoto: what does mtr look like to your node?
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15:21<plasickoto>sean ok thanks for idea, i will test it
15:22<calimike>Peng: interesting..
15:22<calimike>I'm wondering how AirBNB (using aws) is able to operate in mainland china and other cities with firewall and connectivity issues.
15:23<calimike>Also, is a CDN something that I should need to consider?
15:24<sean>calimike: one would argue that you will know when you need a cdn
15:24<Peng>calimike: A CDN might be nice, yeah, but Fremont and Tokyo aren't exactly the opposite side of the planet, so they shouldn't be necessary for performance.
15:24<Peng>s/they/it/
15:24<calimike>Has anyone had experience setting on up with Linode? Is it relatively straightforward?
15:25<Peng>Setting what up? A CDN?
15:25<Peng>If so, yes and yes.
15:25<calimike>Ah, and is it expensive?
15:26<calimike>Basically I'm on the fence between Linode and AWS. I've heard some amazing things about Linode. For AWS, it is a well recognized standard. I am also considering ease of scaling and also performance internationally.
15:26<sean>calimike: i use http://aws.amazon.com/cloudfront/#pricing for cdn type stuff
15:26<@caker>Linode is no harder to scale than an EC2 instance is
15:27<Peng>calimike: Linode sells transfer at $0.10/GB. Depending on your usage, and assuming you're not Netflix or YouTube, CDN transfer will probably run you $0.05-$0.35/GB, perhaps with some meager storage costs.
15:27<rnowak>is it webscale?!
15:27<Peng>rnowak: CloudFront is limited to 1000 Mbps by default. So... no? :(
15:27*HedgeMage checks off a box on her buzzword bingo card
15:27<sean>rnowak: i heard nosql is webscale
15:28<ghosticus>MONGO
15:28<rnowak>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
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15:30<plasickoto>after running mtr i get http://pastebin.com/esusCzUw
15:30<plasickoto>any problems here?
15:30*bacon gets 0% packet loss to his london linode
15:30<@heckman>plasickoto: usually helpful to provide the full MTR
15:30<bacon>188ms avg
15:31<@heckman>including command...
15:31<sean>plasickoto: you need to past bin the whole thing
15:31<@heckman>bin of MTRs past.
15:31<plasickoto>the only thing missing is host and site.com
15:31<@heckman>And the actual command you ran as well.
15:31<@heckman>But why redact the info?
15:32<plasickoto>mtr -- report mysite.com
15:32<plasickoto>was command
15:32<calimike>Are there any major considerations when choosing between AWS and Linode?
15:32<calimike>I'm hosting a web app
15:32<Nivex>calimike: the pricing models are vastly different
15:32<@heckman>plasickoto: you're trying to hit mysite.com from London?
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15:33<sean>calimike: 24/7 nodes are often cheaper on linode, consistent disk io profiles are better on linode
15:34<Peng>AWS is super-complicated.
15:34<sean>calimike: dynamicly adjusting node counts is slower (imho) on linode, cloning nodes is also much slower
15:35<Peng>sean: Since Linode pro-rates to the day, adjusting them frequently is not cost-effective.
15:35<sean>Peng: depends on what you're doing, but often yes
15:35<sean>Peng: i wasn't even takling about cost, i was talking about node spin up speed
15:35<Peng>sean: Sure, but cost is relevant too.
15:36<sean>sure, fair enough
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15:39<sean>calimike: they all of strengths and weaknesses. I started with everything on linode, and now have cdn and auto scalling stuff on aws, with a few things in a colo. you have to find what works for you
15:39<Peng>My original /dev/urandom thing is working again o_O
15:39<sean>calimike: and a bunch of stuff still on linode
15:39<eyepulp>so I just upgraded a node from ubuntu 11.04 to 12.04 - and upon restart I'm no longer in the sudoers file. I've previously disabled the root password on this box, so I'm starting to think I'm pretty screwed. I was following the linode upgrade guide, but I'm stumped. Any thoughts?
15:40<Peng>Ohh. Duh. It's blocking, so it can only support one concurrent request. Duh.
15:40<eyepulp>joining #ubuntu to ask a similar ? wish me luck
15:40<sean>eyepulp: boot into recovery and change what needs to be changed?
15:41<eyepulp>sean - can I boot into recovery when the root account no longer has a PW ?
15:41<@heckman>eyepulp: did you go from 11.04 right to 12.04? Or did you stop at 11.10 in the middle?
15:41<@heckman>!to eyepulp finnix
15:41<linbot>eyepulp: Finnix -- http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/finnix-rescue-mode
15:41<eyepulp>heckman: went to 11.10, then to 12.04
15:41<@heckman>Alrighty.
15:41<eyepulp>heckman: sudo was working @ the 11.10 point
15:42<@heckman>You can edit the sudoers file in Finnix. You could also enable the root user again, too.
15:42<eyepulp>thanks for the link - reading now
15:44<eyepulp>I see there's a reset root password option directly on the linode rescue interface too - that would actually be enough to get me going I think
15:45<ghosticus>good luck
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15:45<sean>eyepulp: did you turn off ssh login of root? or actually disable root login?
15:45<eyepulp>sudo passwd -dl root
15:46<sean>right
15:46<eyepulp>so… the latter, I believe
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15:47<calimike>sean: what do you mean by autoscaling stuff on aws. You are still using linode but cdn and images on aws?
15:47<eyepulp>resetting and rebooting now
15:48<calimike>About how long should I estimate it to take for setting up one or two nodes on linode for the first time?
15:48<calimike>It's a full rails app with MySQL database
15:48<ghosticus>not very long?
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15:49<sean>calimike: i have a bunch of io sensitive ish loads, and a bunch of stuff that's on 24/7. I `also` have some workloads that are very peaky, and i turn nodes on and off a lot. the cdn stuff on aws i just use because it integrates with all of the normal s3 tools
15:49<eyepulp>cool - all fixed up. thanks folks
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15:52<calimike>sean: should I always handle image uploads through s3 as a practice even when on linode?
15:53<sean>you need to make that call yourself based on how much work it is for you to implement and how much it will cost you vs the performance gain of doing so
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15:55<calimike>How long did it take you guys to get started on linode? Like setting up an instance? I'm hoping it doesn't take more than a few days.
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15:55<calimike>sean: that makes sense. thanks.
15:55<Peng>calimike: What do you mean by "setting up"? A couple minutes?
15:55<sean>calimike: i'm not sure how to answer that. getting to a root prompt takes a few minutes...
15:56<calimike>Peng: Like getting the app instance up, pulling down the database, setting up the deployment, pointing the domain
15:56<ghosticus>how familiar are you with installing stuff on linux
15:56<sean>calimike: how good are your sysadmin skills ? :-p
15:56<ghosticus>^
15:56<calimike>pretty strong
15:57<greg>Does anyone any experience with setting up ICEcast in a parent-child server configuration?
15:57<sean>calimike: so not that much longer than it would take to apt-get what ever you need.
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15:57<sean>calimike: if you have time it might be a good time to get something like puppet in your workflow
15:58<calimike>sean: ok. good to know. should I expect the same amount of effort on ec2?
15:58<rnowak>:|
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15:59<calimike>sean: I was actually considering chef if it's comparable..
15:59<sean>calimike: probably more, but only slightly
16:00<sean>calimike: chef is similar. recipies are actually written in ruby, where as in puppet it's a rubyish dsl
16:00<sean>calimike: gota go afk. good luck
16:00<calimike>awesome guys
16:00<calimike>sean: you the man. thanks.
16:02<Peng>Do people use Ruby for anything other than Chef and Puppet?
16:03<ghosticus>yes, many things
16:04<eyepulp>they use it to scare good little boys and girls who question the supremacy of python. =P
16:04<eyepulp>I kid, I kid… =)
16:04*Peng throws braces at eyepulp
16:06<EugeneKay>Peng - yes, it also powers countless crappy Github interfaces
16:09<eyepulp>heh
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16:23<Stefan>!mtr 178.79.132.80
16:23<linbot>mtr combines traceroute and ping into one easy-to-use tool, and it can be useful for determining the source of a problem. Download it from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.net for Windows. Generate an mtr report by running mtr -rn HOSTNAME. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using !mtr-CITY whre CITY is fremont, newark, dallas or tokyo.
16:25<Stefan>!mtr-dallas -rn 178.79.132.80
16:25<linbot>Stefan: [mtr] -rn: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.1ms (urmom)
16:26<Peng>\o/
16:31<Stefan>!mtr-dallas -rn 178.79.132.80
16:31<linbot>Stefan: [mtr] -rn: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.0ms (urmom)
16:33<Stefan>!mtr-dallas 178.79.132.80
16:33<linbot>Stefan: timed out
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16:35<tyger86>Hey any one pretty good at rails asset compilation
16:36<tyger86>I have certain css and js files included only in certain layouts I am trying to launch production and its saying they are not compiled. I ran rake assets:precompile I think its just they arn't listed in application.css and application.js any tips
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16:38<ghosticus>you should probably ask in a rails channel :X
16:39<tyger86>yah probably thank you. I've met some rails guys in hear before.
16:40<tyger86>hey I am an IRC noob how do I change channels
16:40<sean> /join #channel
16:40<tyger86>ty
16:40<Stefan>did anyone else have issues with Dallas -> London the last hour or so? Seems to have resolved itself now.
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16:42<linbot>New news from forum: What Do Linode do If I Get DDOS in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9462&p=54244#p54244>
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16:49<EugeneKay>Stefan - it's called "BGP burps". It happens occasionally with some IP blocks when a router somewhere owned by somebody decides to vomit. The system(eg, the internet at large) will route around the problem automagically within a few minutes.
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16:50<EugeneKay>"The internet" is not a magical sewer pipe powered by pixie dust - it is a conglomeration of very expensive hardware programmed by the lowest bidder. Sometimes it stops working for a minute for somebody. Then it fixes itself.
16:50<Stefan>More like an hour :)
16:51<Stefan>It always seems to be dallas for me.
16:51<EugeneKay>Do you have the majority of your lInodes in dallas?
16:52<Stefan>no, just the one doing the monitoring of the others :)
16:52<Stefan>I might move it since its been complaining sites are down although they arent for most of the internet
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16:53<EugeneKay>And now you've learned that a Monitoring machine adds a single point of failure - itself.
16:53<@mikegrb>lulz
16:53<Stefan>yeah, lol :)
16:53<EugeneKay>Make two more in other places and only send alerts when 2/3 agree ;-)
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16:56<talntidd>is Jason S. in this room? :)
16:57<talntidd>I see the nickname here, but not sure if it is the same as the linode employee
16:57<EugeneKay>!ops
16:57<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/
16:58<EugeneKay>Though if you want official you'll need to keep it in a ticket / approved form of communication
16:58<talntidd>I'm trading emails back and forth
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17:00<@heckman>IRC isn't used as a means of support for customer issues. Support ticket/email or a phone call is probably best.
17:00<talntidd>yup, that's what I am doing. :)
17:00<talntidd>Was purely curious if he was here
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17:33<Tea>Seems odd to have to enter your password twice to modify your profile, but only once to be able to completely destroy a Linode
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17:33<davehewy>Hello.
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17:33<davehewy>I have a few questions.
17:33<jchen>!ask
17:33<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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17:34<davehewy>Looking for some advice with what is possible from a linode?
17:34<davehewy>Looking to host a few low traffic wordpress sites.
17:34<kyhwana>davehewy: It's a VPS and you have full root access, so anything that doesn't require a specific peice of hardware
17:35<davehewy>Is linode backed by aws
17:35<davehewy>?
17:35-!-triplei [~dank@d205-250-107-218.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #linode
17:35<eyepulp>davehewy: nope
17:35<@caker>davehewy: Linode predates AWS by 3 years - so no :)
17:36<Tea>Caker was cloud before it was cool. That's 3 Cs.
17:36<@caker>we were cloud before cloud was cloud
17:36<HedgeMage>caker: may I pm, dear?
17:36<davehewy>how quickly can you have a wordpress install setup?
17:36<@caker>HedgeMage: sure
17:36<eyepulp>caker: So you're like… a body of water?
17:36<@caker>davehewy: about 30 seconds?
17:37<Tea>How long is a piece of string?
17:37<eyepulp>What time is love?
17:37<davehewy>Is it optimised out of the box?
17:37<davehewy>Caching etc?
17:37<eyepulp>[pressing the Turbo button] Yup.
17:37<Tea>That sounds like a question for the Wordpress devs
17:37<@caker>davehewy: if you use our Wordpress StackScript it is, yes. - http://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/?StackScriptID=12
17:38<davehewy>Turbo charged in what ways?
17:38<davehewy>Capable of vhosting?
17:38<Tea>If you're capable of vhosting, then it's capable of vhosting. Your Linode is your Linode. It does nothing except be a Linode.
17:39<davehewy>cool.
17:39<Tea>You have full root
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17:39*encode 's linode is also awesome, in addition to being a linode
17:39<davehewy>yep
17:39<davehewy>linode seems to have quite a following, why linode over other cloud based services?
17:40<davehewy>this should stir it up :P
17:40<eyepulp>davehewy: have you ever managed a linux box? If so, that's essentially what you're doing here, with additional help via their StackScripts if you so desire.
17:40<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:40<Tea>Cheap. Scalable. Cake.
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17:40<encode>because they were the best at the time, and nothing has changed in that regard
17:40<davehewy>Best based on what out of interest
17:40<eyepulp>davehewy: you're unlikely to get objective responses in this channel about why or why not.
17:40<eyepulp>=)
17:40<Zenum>Hello is this the right place to report abuse?
17:41<encode>based on technical skill of the guys running it, based on price point, and feature set
17:41<eyepulp>(maybe why, but probably not why not)
17:41<Zenum>okay thanks encode
17:41<davehewy>Looking at pricing linode is not cheaper than say a small instance on EC2 if reserved.
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17:41<encode>when i started with linode, they were running UML
17:41<encode>that gives you an idea of how long i've been a customer
17:41<@caker>davehewy: yes it is -- add in costs for network transfer and then compare
17:42<davehewy>Already have.
17:42<@caker>davehewy: also look at CPU power. Linode provides 4 cores, and we don't cap CPU like EC2 does
17:42<davehewy>just cap the RAM?
17:42<Tea>You get what you pay for when it comes to RAM
17:43<Tea>If you pay for 512, you get 512.
17:43<eyepulp>Tea: male sheep?
17:43<Tea>eyepulp: Absolutely
17:43<Tea>davehewy: So Linode doesn't cap your RAM, you wallet does
17:43*eyepulp saddens himself
17:43<davehewy>Of course.
17:44<davehewy>but scalable enviro).
17:44<Tea>Also I don't think the EC2's owner hangs about in their mostly unofficial IRC channel and answers questions himself.
17:44*eyepulp chats with bezos constantly on #EC2Roolz
17:45<hays>yeah, linode support in here is fantastic
17:45<hays>great group of people
17:45<davehewy>I'll be straight up honest and say i'm looking for the ideal solution to vhost cheaply but scalably some wordpress blogs.
17:45<kyhwana>scale all the things!
17:45<davehewy>I've shopped around and tried numerous different solutions out and tbh nothing quite fits.
17:46<davehewy>I like EC2 but don't really love that there's no support at all!
17:46<talntidd>are you capable of doing your own apache configuration, davehewy?
17:46<@caker>Cloud/Linode/AWS/Rackspace all are not magically scalable. You still need to architect things correctly and work at it
17:46<hays>davehewy: Im hosting a wordpress blog using the smallest linode with a LEMP stack on Debian testing (mine probably won't get a lot of traffic until it goes stable)
17:46<hays>davehewy: setting it up was pretty easy, had help here, and I am happy with it.
17:46<encode>the only thing linode fails at, is the lack of an australian datacenter
17:46<davehewy>Capable of setting up a linux server.
17:46<eyepulp>davehewy: Maybe linode won't fit either. But if you're on the fence between AWS & linode, I can say our company has used both, and continues to use both (one for s3, and now linode for all our fps servers).
17:47<eyepulp>s/fps/VPS
17:47<Tea>eyepulp: They could do with a Canadian one, too
17:47<Tea>Sweden could be good so we could pirate everything
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17:47<Tea>uh I mean
17:47<Tea>Sweden could be good for Swedish customers!
17:47<hays>haha i believe it still falls under US rules
17:48<hays>since linode is a US company
17:48<davehewy>Cloud has made it harder to choose hosting I think! As services play more of a roll!!!!
17:48<Tea>davehewy: Get a 512. Run the Wordpress stackscript. Read the Linode Library on vhosting, come here for extra help on anything you don't quite get
17:48<@caker>*role :)
17:48<Tea>If you're not happy within 7 days, caker will give you all your money back. Sort of.
17:48*eyepulp gets back to using his nodes rather than jawing about them
17:48<davehewy>Ha.
17:49<@caker>not sort of, we will.
17:49<davehewy>All £13 of it.
17:49<Tea>caker: Isn't it a $5 charge if it goes to card?
17:49<Tea>Or does that not apply in the first 7 days?
17:49<hays>davehewy: meh, but with wordpress you are more or less stuck with PHP, MySQL.. you aren't going to be going to some super-scalable mongowhateverblahnodejs thing anytime soon
17:50<@caker>Tea: doesn't apply .. and really that's just there to prevent people from wasting our time wanting $0.12 back (which has happened)
17:50<davehewy>nope your right
17:50<Tea>caker: Ohh okay
17:50<davehewy>you can do a little with caching etc to make it better though
17:50<Tea>davehewy: Well there you go. If you're not happy in 7 days, you get it all back.
17:50<hays>davehewy: I would recommend going through the LAMP/LEMP setup manually to get a flavor of where things are and how they've set up the server
17:50<hays>it was at least educational for me
17:51<davehewy>the stack backed by ubuntu?
17:51<Tea>caker: 12 cents isn't even currency. People are so bloody strange.
17:51<hays>davehewy: you pick. I did Debian myself
17:51<sean>davehewy: if you're not comfortable with unix admin side of this stuff going with someone like appfog might be a better less stressful option for you
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17:52<hays>davehewy: http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides
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17:52<davehewy>yeah cheers, should be fine.
17:52<hays>davehewy: ubuntu 12.04 LTS seems like a reasonable option
17:53<davehewy>hays would you mind pinging me the url of your blog?
17:53<davehewy>centos for me man
17:53<davehewy>had most experience with that
17:53<davehewy>randomly.
17:54<davehewy>With the wordpress stackscript have you got any predefined caching going on? Varnish etc?
17:55<talntidd>caker, can I PM you a company suggestion/concern?
17:55<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:55<Peng>Concern: Insufficient cake
17:56<hays>davehewy: I didn't run the wp stackscript myself but I think if you go with the LAMP opton you can do supercache
17:56<Peng>(specifically: finite)
17:56<hays>I haven't figured out how to get supercache working with LEMP yet
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17:57<kyhwana>talntidd: what is your concern?
17:58<Peng>talntidd: For what it's worth, there's a bug report/feature suggestion forum on the, uh, forum, and you can also email or file a support ticket.
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18:00<Peng>I wonder if the sudden silence is furious PMing.
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18:01<talntidd>Peng, I am aware of those - I don't want to publicly state what the issue is. It -could- be used as an exploit.
18:03<GLaDOSDan>that's the official Heckman Hotline(tm)
18:03<@heckman>bounce for great justice
18:03*GLaDOSDan bounces
18:03<Nightmare>GLaDOSDan: pretty sure that just goes straight to /dev/null ;p
18:04<GLaDOSDan>It goes to /dev/heckman
18:04<Nightmare>:(
18:04<Peng>talntidd: Well, that still leaves support ticket and email.
18:05<linbot>New news from forum: PCI DSS questions in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9458&p=54245#p54245>
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18:12<davehewy>Can you increase ram for 1 day and then drop back down?
18:13<@heckman>You can edit the RAM in your config profile and reboot
18:13<@heckman>So you can do it for five minutes if you want. Doesn't change the cost of your plan, however.
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18:16<@mikegrb>lulz
18:16<davehewy>So you can increase the RAM on your linode without increasing your plan? How does that work lol/
18:16<Nivex>I think the question becomes can you buy extras and then drop them?
18:16<@heckman>Sorry...I read decresae
18:16<@mdcollins>The "Extras" tab of the Linode Manager!
18:16<@heckman>Long day
18:16<@heckman>decrease**
18:17<@heckman>You can add "Extras", probably the easiest way. Just requires a reboot.
18:17*Nivex de-creases heckman
18:17<@mdcollins>No, you spelled it wrong.. It's decresae :P
18:17<davehewy>Yeah say you get a traffic spike and need an extra 1gb ram.
18:17<davehewy>Obviously your going to need to allocate that easily etc.
18:18<davehewy>and scale back down when your done, wondered how billing was handled in this case?
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18:23<auraka>mdcollins: maybe heckman is wrinkled
18:27<MajObviousman>that ... brought up some awful mental imagery
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18:29<ghosticus>now we know why his nick is heckman?
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18:33<linbot>New news from forum: Help Required! - Website expecting big increase in traffic in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9461&p=54246#p54246>
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19:54<linbot>New news from forum: Working full-time on new control panel. Looking for feedback in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9463&p=54250#p54250>
19:56<kyhwana>I want a CLI CP
19:56<sean>kyhwana: puppet+mcollective+puppi is more or less a cli cp
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20:23<rnowak>freedomcp is such a badly chosen name for it, just saying
20:33<chesty>hello uncle mowak
20:35<EugeneKay>rnowak - at least it isn't "FreeCP"
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20:41<allandavao>good morning o/
20:41<allandavao>.sq Davao
20:41<allandavao>.sw Davao
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20:41<allandavao>.w Davao
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20:41<allandavao>no weather here? :)
20:41<allandavao>bot weather
20:41<@heckman>no
20:42<allandavao>oh ok.thanks
20:42<allandavao>so afraid last night.thunders everywhere
20:42<allandavao>Zeus is angry i guess
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21:00<hays>anyone here have any tips on optimizing nginx? Apparently it can be setup to do caching?
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22:16<linbot>New news from forum: PCI DSS questions in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9458&p=54252#p54252>
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22:38<linbot>New news from forum: Is a Linode right for this setup? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9464&p=54253#p54253>
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23:08<@heckman>Oh sweet. Linux 3.7 have IPv6 NAT.
23:08<@heckman>s/have/has/
23:09<kyhwana>heckman: wat
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23:09<zweckdev>hello
23:09<zweckdev>my linode just reseted
23:09<zweckdev>any idea?
23:10<zweckdev> * zwecksrv - (9118291) Lassie initiated boot - Completed Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:56:23 GMT
23:11<@heckman>zweckdev: check your logs / any open support tickets.
23:11<zweckdev>heckman: which log should i check?
23:11<@akerl>Lassie initiated reboot means your Linode stopped running. Generally, that is caused by something internal to your Linode. If it wasn't, you'd have a support ticket opened
23:12<zweckdev>heckman: i just checked /etc/messages and nothings strange happened
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23:13<kyhwana>zweckdev: and what about in /var/log/ ?
23:13<zweckdev>sorry /etc/log/messages
23:13<zweckdev>;)
23:14<@heckman>kyhwana: trying to find the commit,but saw a message saying IPv6 NAT was part of 3.7
23:15<zweckdev>nevermind
23:15<zweckdev>found the problem ;)
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23:15<@heckman>mind sharing with the c...
23:16<@heckman>well that was rude
23:17<kyhwana>fail
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23:20<trav>hello all, i assume this is where i can get help with my linode? i am trying to set up a new webpage gottheconch.com it is woking, but it is redirecting to my other webpage dead-rising-wiki.com -- not sure why and how to fix
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23:21<@heckman>kyhwana: there are mentions of networking changes by David Miller, and he was the one working on IPv6 NAT. Can't find a commit
23:21<trav>damn, just asked a question...but got disconnected
23:21<trav>whi heckman
23:21<trav>hi
23:22<@heckman>trav: hello
23:22<kyhwana>heckman: oohh
23:23<kyhwana>trav: you probably don't have your vhosts setup properly?
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23:23<@akerl>apache2ctl -S
23:23<@heckman>Oct15 23:23:24 -!- trav [~60ff1763@chat.linode.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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23:25<trav>on again, thanks for suggestion k
23:25<kyhwana> fail
23:25<kyhwana>oop
23:25<@heckman>alright, I need to crash. Goodnight o/
23:26<trav>I configed-name-based-virtual-hosts: http://library.linode.com/hosting-website#sph_configuring-name-based-virtual-hosts this is when it went wrong
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23:29<kyhwana>trav: pastebin all your vhosts config?
23:30<trav>ok thank ky :)
23:31<kyhwana>trav: did you actually make a vhost file for gottheconch.com ?
23:32<trav>that is the thing ky
23:32<trav>i didn't
23:32<trav>and it still redirected
23:32<trav>but since then i tried to create one, now i am trying to remember were it is located.
23:35<kyhwana>did you enable it?
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23:35<kyhwana>trav: and what does apache2ctl -S say?
23:36<trav>i cant type
23:36<trav>okay: /etc/apache2/sites-available/ right?
23:36<trav>one sec thanks!
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23:37<trav>kyhwana: http://www.pasteall.org/36313
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23:41<trav>just hand created this kyhwana: http://www.pasteall.org/36315
23:41<kyhwana>Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/trav/public_html/gottheconch.com/public/] does not exist
23:41<trav>ah thanks!
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23:43<dcraig>I like the dramatic pause between "does not" and "exist"
23:43<trav>kyhwana i created that folder by hand and then created backup log and public folders
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23:46<trav>ha ha dcraig
23:46<trav>kyhwana, here is updated: http://www.pasteall.org/36316
23:47<trav>still redirecting to other website
23:49<trav>kywana, here is my sites enabled folder: http://gyazo.com/2e1944f9c7a32f791008bc3aa3f935e8
23:49<trav>it looks like dead-rising-wiki.com is a redirect, and it is smaller than the rest....
23:49<dcraig>sites-enabled should contain symlinks to things in sites-available
23:50<kyhwana>trav: now what does apache2ctl -S say?
23:50<dcraig>you can create the config files in sites-available and then use a2ensite to add the symlinks
23:51<trav>thanks kyhwana! http://www.pasteall.org/36318
23:51<linbot>New news from forum: Is a Linode right for this setup? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9464&p=54254#p54254>
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23:52<kyhwana>trav: now reload/restart apache?
23:52<trav>ok
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23:53<trav>hi kyhwana, can you remind me what to enter? thank you
23:54<trav>i will try to find it...
23:54<trav>got it /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
23:54<kyhwana>uh
23:54<trav>then start
23:54<kyhwana>service apache2 restart
23:54<kyhwana>or that
23:55<trav>ok kyhwana restarted
23:56<dcraig>now you've done it
23:56<trav>new apache2ctl -S same as http://www.pasteall.org/36320
23:56<trav>really dcraig?
23:57<trav>same as old apache2ctl -S
23:57<trav>yes! never thought I would be happy to see a problem loading screen: http://gottheconch.com
23:57<trav>thank you kyhwana.
23:58<dcraig>the desired result is for apache to not be running?
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23:59<dcraig>!pi
23:59<linbot>dcraig: Point (0.44146461, 0.83919929) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 42542 of 54228 (π ≈ 3.138009884192668 + 0.003582769397125). http://π.hoopycat.com/
23:59<kyhwana>?
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