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#linode IRC Logs for 2012-11-23

---Logopened Fri Nov 23 00:00:38 2012
00:00<DevePy>do not know, I have followed several tutorials and I can not.
00:01<XReaper>That message is telling you exactly what is missing
00:01<DevePy>My project django is: home/devepy/projects/myproject/manage.py .......
00:01<XReaper>missing the supervisorctl section in your .ini
00:02<DevePy>[program:gunicorn] command=/usr/local/bin/gunicorn main:application -c /home/devepy/projectsall/myproject/gunicorn.conf.py directory=/home/devepy/projectalls/myproject user=nobody autostart=true autorestart=true redirect_stderr=True
00:03<XReaper>/usr/local/bin/supervisorctl -h <-- apparently that might help to try?
00:04<XReaper>http://senko.net/en/django-nginx-gunicorn/
00:04<DevePy>I've read this tutorial.
00:05<XReaper>kay
00:05<DevePy>like starting gunicorn???
00:05<DevePy>i am use supervisor
00:05<XReaper>mmm
00:05<DevePy>XReaper
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00:05<DevePy>this tutorial use shell script
00:06<DevePy>http://docs.gunicorn.org/en/latest/deploy.html
00:08<DevePy>I've been trying for a week and do not get it....
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00:08<DevePy>I am totally disappointed.
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00:14<XReaper>I'm using uwsgi currently
00:14<XReaper>dunno how gunicorn works
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00:18<DevePy>uwsgi is easy configure
00:18<DevePy>but all complicated when used supervisor
00:19<EugeneKay>The maintainer of that lib is a lazy bastard
00:19<XReaper>I don't use supervisor with uwsgi
00:19<XReaper>EugeneKay: Hmm?
00:19<EugeneKay>gunicorn.
00:19<XReaper>Oh
00:20<XReaper>DevePy: I have uwsgi set up on my linode in emperor mode
00:20<XReaper>if that crashes, systemd respawns it
00:21<DevePy>uwsgi or gunicorn?? gunicorn this done in Python.
00:23<XReaper>nginx speaks native uwsgi protocol
00:24<XReaper>and might be simpler to set up
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00:28<DevePy>Gunicorn its more flexible and faster.
00:29<EugeneKay>Also, anybody interested in cheap HDs: 2TB 7200rpm Seagate $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148834
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00:29<Nightmare>If only I actually had money. :(
00:30<EugeneKay>I grabbed a pair to add to my RAID6 media array
00:32<@qmr>ty EugeneKay, I was going to ask if anyone had spotted any great deals on computer stuffs
00:32<kyhwana>hmm
00:32<kyhwana>black friday right?
00:32<EugeneKay>Yeah, as of nowish
00:32<EugeneKay>It isn't even listed as one of Newegg's deals - it's supposed to be in a combo with a Sata controller card
00:33<EugeneKay>But you can get the drive by itself
00:33<@qmr>EugeneKay: why not 3TB? or zoidberg?
00:33<kyhwana>let it roll
00:33<EugeneKay>Because I have a fleet of 8 2TBs already
00:33<kyhwana>sorry, let it ride..
00:34*qmr is thinking about getting a teevee
00:34<EugeneKay>After these two(which fill the last of my 3.5" bays) I'm gonna wait for 4TBs to hit the magic $50/TB mark, then rebuild it with those
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00:35<EugeneKay>I will prooobably buy two rackmount case of some sort with more bays, and move the current fleet of drives to my colo while guaranteeing more upgradeability for the home array
00:35<EugeneKay>Or something.
00:38<@qmr>I ordered 4 hard drive docks earlier today
00:38<jchen>is that drive good?
00:38<jchen>also why 4 drive docks and not a raid enclosure or nas or soemthing like that
00:38<EugeneKay>It's a 7200rpm, so the spindles/motor will wear a bit faster than the matching 5400/5900 drive
00:39<EugeneKay>And it'll eat a bit more power
00:39<jchen>ya
00:39<EugeneKay>But desktop HDs lifespans are measured in years nowadays.
00:39<jchen>exactly
00:39<EugeneKay>Point a 120mm fan at it, stop worrying ;-)
00:39<kyhwana>you should be booting from or have your os on a ssd these days anyway
00:40<kyhwana>but then again, what do you back a multi tens of tb raid array to?
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00:40<EugeneKay>Glacier.
00:40<kyhwana>hahaha
00:40<kyhwana>no
00:40<EugeneKay>I also have a 50lb box of DVDs
00:41<kyhwana>not on dsl with data caps
00:41<trippeh>data caps? whats that? :o
00:41<EugeneKay>God no. I have a pair of 1TB USB drives circulating between my house and my colo, which has a 100mbit uplink.
00:41<EugeneKay>God bless the USPS.
00:41<XReaper>heh
00:41<jchen>sneakernet?
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00:42<EugeneKay>Yup. I abuse remote hands for the remote end(unplug, plug, package, mail back)
00:42<EugeneKay><3 HE
00:42<jchen>free remote hands?
00:42<@qmr>what do you get charged for that?
00:42<EugeneKay>I get "up to 6 hours per month" free.
00:43<EugeneKay>It's supposed to be in 15-minute increments, but they've reinstalled an entire box without even a glance.
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00:44<XReaper>Ha
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02:05<burl>hey all, anyone had any luck getting pv-grub to read an ext4 drive?
02:06<retro|blah>rootflags=nobarrier in your menu.lst
02:07<burl>any way I can enter that in the interactive prompt?
02:07<retro|blah>Oh sorry, I misinterpreted
02:08<burl>:) no worries
02:08<burl>recognises it as ext2fs, but when I attempt kernel /boot/kernel it indicates that it cannot be found...
02:08<burl>have just rebooted and it's most definitely there
02:09<retro|blah>How about just kernel kernel (without the /boot)
02:09<burl>"Filename must be an absolute path or blockname"
02:10<burl>blocklist*
02:10<retro|blah>OK, what about kernel /kernel
02:10<burl>kernel /kernel yields no joy either
02:10<retro|blah>hm
02:10<burl>heh
02:11<burl>all the instructions at linode wiki suggest a simple /boot/grub/menu.lst should do the trick, suggesting to me ext4 should be fine, as this is presumable the default for most distros now
02:11<burl>presumably*
02:11<retro|blah>What is root set to?
02:11<burl>(hd0)
02:12<burl>correctly denotes it as ext2fs
02:12<burl>and (hd1) as swap
02:12<burl>going to give a dedicated ext2 /boot drive a go
02:13<retro|blah>I did a dedicated ext3 /boot (dunno if Linode's disk management will let you get away with ext2)
02:14<burl>I have no intention of giving it a choice! though if you say ext3 works with pvgrub?
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02:25<burl>well, it can find the kernel now :D
02:26<burl>but I think I've misconfigured somewhat: ERROR Invalid kernel: xc_dom_find_loader: no loader found
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02:28<retro|blah>Is this a custom kernel or a distro supplied kernel
02:28<burl>custom :)
02:28<burl>was sure I got all the config_xen_* options
02:29<retro|blah>What kernel compression did you select?
02:29<burl>xz
02:29<retro|blah>Switch to gzip
02:30<burl>before I reconfigure everything and reboot, do you think that might be exactly it? :P
02:33<retro|blah>I know for a fact that it is an issue that would prevent it from loading under xen. In fact this is covered by the wiki article (though not in the linode library article)
02:33<burl>ah lovely, didn't mean to doubt you, just such a pain switching back and forth xD
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02:38<burl>:D working like a charm
02:38<burl>thanks retro|blah, you've been a great help
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02:40<@heckman>Ugh. I can't set an expire time on a key inside of a hash with Redis
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02:42<dcraig>this thanksgiving I'm thankful that bad things happen to heckman
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02:53<eagles0513875>hey all :)
02:53<eagles0513875>hey HoopyCat
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03:05<dcraig>hi!
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03:14<eagles0513875>how is everyone
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03:16<@heckman>Little tired, slightly miffed at Redis.
03:16<Nightmare>Okayish here.
03:17<eagles0513875>heckman: whats wrong?
03:18<chesty>it's not web scale
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03:18<@heckman>Nov23 02:40:52 <@heckman> Ugh. I can't set an expire time on a key inside of a hash with Redis
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03:27*EugeneKay expires heckman
03:27<@heckman>:(
03:27<eagles0513875>thats not nicfr
03:27<eagles0513875>nice
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03:43<c1pher>hey
03:44<c1pher>any black friday specials ?
03:44<@heckman>c1pher: no
03:45<c1pher>your made most favorite vps provider
03:45<c1pher>my*
03:45<c1pher>:/
03:51<dcraig>if linode had black friday specials, we would all feel like slaves to rampant consumerism
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03:56<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Rockson1 <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Rockson1&diff=4552&oldid=prev> || User:Rockson1 <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=User:Rockson1&diff=0&oldid=prev>
03:57<dcraig>the new users are here !
03:58*heckman murders
03:59*dcraig increases heckman's serps
04:08<hawk>dcraig: And we might all get trampled or something
04:08<dcraig>I drove through the wal mart parking lot and the line to get in wrapped around to the side of the building
04:08<dcraig>and then zig zagged a bit like a line to a roller coaster might
04:09<dcraig>and then I drove by best buy and there were people with tents
04:09<dcraig>that was the extent of my black friday (now black late thursday) participation
04:09<dcraig>the country has gone mad
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04:24<eagles0513875>wooot
04:24<eagles0513875>im happy
04:27<dcraig>:D
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04:28<eagles0513875>dcraig: just got the nexus 7
04:29<dcraig>oh neat
04:30<eagles0513875>im lovin it
04:30<eagles0513875>quad core tegra 3
04:31<eagles0513875>as well has a 5th core for power savings
04:31<eagles0513875>its the tegra 4+1 quad core
04:31<dcraig>man my desktop computer only has 2 cores :(
04:31<eagles0513875>mine is a quad from 2008
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05:54*Solver is thinking of adding a linode
05:54<Solver>how is everyone finding fremond lately?
05:54<Solver>*fremont
05:55*Solver acknowledges he just opened a can of worms and wonder why someone would can worms in the first place
05:56<Cromulent>Solver: I imagine the best place to look would be the status page and see how many issues have been reported in freemont
05:56<linbot>New news from forum: upgrades? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9562&p=54818#p54818>
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05:56<Cromulent>in the past
05:56<Cromulent>unfortunately I've never used freemont so can't offer any direct help
05:56<Solver>Cromulent: true. I figured I'd see what people here were thinking. I am on channel 24/7 and generally see the outages. I don't recall any very recently
05:57*Solver may go for jp
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06:18<eagles0513875>how is everyone going
06:18<eagles0513875>Solver: im very happy in the uk actually they have had issues wiht the backup stuff but on the whole everything has been rock solid
06:18<eagles0513875>just got my hands on a google nexus 7 and i love it
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06:24<linbot>New news from forum: Port 199 SMUX, what is it? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9558&p=54819#p54819>
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06:32<Solver>eagles0513875: I have nodes in atl and london but I need someting with lower latency for me interactive sessions like irc :) [I'm in Australia]
06:33<eagles0513875>Solver: jp would be your best bet in that case
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07:01<saltod>Hey folks — can someone tell me if http://holyhearttheatre.com/ looks like this? http://cl.ly/image/450i0T0A1x1o
07:01<saltod>I'm still waiting for the DNS to go through
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07:35<hawk>saltod: You could stick it in your local hosts file if you want to check what the pages look like
07:35<saltod>how do you mean hawk:?
07:36<hawk>saltod: And you should probably actually query the authoritative name servers and make sure they are responding as intended before beginning to just wait, wrt changes to dns in general.
07:37<saltod>hummmm.....wow. There's a lot there that I don't understand =)
07:37<saltod>authoritative name servers?
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07:38<saltod>[ background: I pointed a GoDaddy (yuck) domain at my linode just before midnight last night and am waiting patientily! When I try and access the site via a proxy, it does seem to be working. But I'm getting served the old site here still ]
07:39<saltod>oops, forgot to reply. hawk:
07:40<hawk>Quite possibly because of cached dns data on "your" end
07:41<saltod>that's what I was thinking
07:41<saltod>> You could stick it in your local hosts file if you want to check what the pages look like
07:41<saltod>could you explain that part to me, please?
07:42<hawk>The name resolution system provided by your os, which your applications are using, typically have at least two mechanisms for resolving names. DNS and the hosts file
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07:43<hawk>If you add this name<->ip mapping to the hosts file while you wait, you can still test things.
07:44<saltod>Even if I host several sites from that same ip?
07:44<saltod> / same linode
07:44<hawk>Sure...?
07:46<saltod>Hummm.....this might be completely over my head. I can't see how I can access a subdomain via the ip address of my linode
07:47<hawk>Not sure I understand
07:47<saltod>me either =)
07:47<saltod>Sorry
07:47<saltod>I'm pretty dense with this dns stuff
07:47<saltod>I don't understand how I can still access my site while I'm waiting for the dns to go through
07:47<hawk>All DNS does it map the name to an IP. The hosts file serves the same purpose (but is mostly abandoned other than for this sort of special cases)
07:48<saltod>My linode has an ip address, but I host 5 subdomains from there. I can't see how I can use the ip address to access a specific subdomain
07:48<hawk>(All DNS does in this specific context, I should say)
07:51<hawk>saltod: The way name-based virtual hosts work is that the browser sends a Host header with the domain name part of the URL. That is not related to DNS specifically.
07:51<XReaper>DNS is easy. I register domains and set it up. bam
07:52<hawk>:>
07:52<saltod>ha!
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07:55<saltod>hawk: by hosts file do you mean the file that I have created in Apache's /sites-enabled for my site?
07:55<XReaper>nope
07:55<saltod>or do you mean Ubuntu's host file?
07:55<XReaper>like /etc/hosts
07:55<saltod>right
07:55<XReaper>on your ubuntu
07:55<XReaper>;)
07:55<hawk>saltod: I mean the hosts file on the client side
07:55<saltod>yeah, that doesn't have much to do with DNS — and I know even less about that!
07:56<XReaper>oh, it has everything to do with dns
07:56<XReaper>gets looked up first
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08:05*eagles0513875 loves my new tablet
08:06<saltod>Perhaps I'll start here: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/DNS_-_Viewing_site_before_DNS_change
08:09<eagles0513875>hey guys does the android app work with version 4.2 of android
08:10<saltod>Worked! Thanks hawk: I just added: 192.xxx.xxx holyhearttheatre.com to my /etc/hosts file and it worked! Awesome trick
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08:11<nyuszika7h_>hi, does anyone know how to get ksplice working, I really don't want to install a kernel with pvgrub, it's a PITA
08:11<nyuszika7h_>Cannot find Ksplice Uptrack information for your kernel version
08:11<nyuszika7h_>(3.5.2-x86_64-linode26 #1 SMP Wed Aug 15 14:31:07 EDT 2012).
08:11<nyuszika7h_>Your kernel is probably not yet supported by Ksplice Uptrack.
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08:12<HoopyCat>nyuszika7h_: Oracle doesn't build ksplice files for linode's kernels, so you're going to have to use a kernel they support if you want to use ksplice
08:12<nyuszika7h_>would a kernel from the debian repos work?
08:13<eagles0513875>hey HoopyCat
08:13<nyuszika7h_>and, how could I make my VPS use that kernel?
08:15<HoopyCat>nyuszika7h_: http://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/supported-kernels ... you're probably SOL unless you became a ksplice customer before the oracle aquisition
08:15<nyuszika7h_>really?
08:15<HoopyCat>nyuszika7h_: and http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/custom-instances/pv-grub-howto
08:15<nyuszika7h_>ksplice is free for ubuntu, and I installed the deb on debian fine
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08:15<HoopyCat>nyuszika7h_: "Please note: The following kernels are only supported for legacy Ksplice customers prior to the Ksplice acquisition. Ksplice Uptrack is no longer offered for these distributions for new customers. Support for these distributions for existing customers remains unaffected."
08:16<nyuszika7h_>oh :(
08:16<nyuszika7h_>so no restartless kernel updates for me
08:16<nyuszika7h_>well, I don't need to update unless I find a bug that affects me, which was the case with 3.4.2
08:17<eagles0513875>HoopyCat: got my nexus 7 and couldnt be happier except with one thing
08:17<XReaper>You spent too much?
08:19<eagles0513875>no
08:19<eagles0513875>got it at a whole sale price form someone who gets them here
08:19<eagles0513875>205 Euros
08:19<HoopyCat>nyuszika7h_: the source code of ksplice is still GPL, so you could, in theory, still use it, but oracle sells the "patches" that it applies
08:20<eagles0513875>no VAT no nothing on it
08:20<nyuszika7h_>meh, I give up, thanks anyway
08:20<nyuszika7h_>hi eagles0513875!
08:20<eagles0513875>hey
08:20<eagles0513875>anyone know if the android linode app dude comes in here?
08:23<eagles0513875>sigh linode android app is borked
08:24<XReaper>use the website
08:24<XReaper>works better
08:24<XReaper>;)
08:24<eagles0513875>i know but it is useful to be able to check from tablet sometimes
08:24<eagles0513875>the app works on my phone but not my ics tablet
08:25<XReaper>*yawn* use the website
08:27<eagles0513875>ok
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08:30<HoopyCat>sensors report that my beer fridge is 46 degrees F, has not tipped over, and is closed
08:30<HoopyCat>2012 is here, baby
08:30<mikegrb>lulz
08:30<eagles0513875>lol
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08:49<XReaper>2012? Old school. Almost over. THANK GOD
08:49<XReaper>HoopyCat: the hell?
08:50<XReaper>...what else have you got wired up
08:50<Daevien>XReaper: urmom
08:50<XReaper>too expensive
08:51<XReaper>!urmom
08:51<HoopyCat>XReaper: bicycle, beer fridge, dehumidifier, car...
08:51*XReaper yawns
08:51<linbot>XReaper: timed out
08:51<XReaper>Yup, that big.
08:51<XReaper>HoopyCat: car i can understand, since it moves
08:51<XReaper>and so does a bicycle!
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08:52<HoopyCat>urmom is so big her two-way propagation delay exceeds linbot's timeout
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08:52<XReaper>:D
08:53<HoopyCat>XReaper: the beer fridge naturally tends to a bad state without the concerted efforts of a large pile of chinese-built electromechanical components
08:53<XReaper>umlol?
08:54<XReaper>HoopyCat: does it also have gps tracking? :P
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08:54*XReaper relocates the beer fridge
08:55<Daevien>XReaper: nope, hooked to the mains in case any unauthorized person touches it
08:55*Daevien watches XReaper catch on fire
08:55<XReaper>D:
08:55<XReaper>Wait, how am i on fire
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08:57<HoopyCat>XReaper: no, but if it stops existing, we'll know about it: http://drop.hoopycat.com/twine-meraki-wifi.png
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08:57<XReaper>howso?
08:58<XReaper>HoopyCat: do something useful like spamming DEAUTH packets at high power to other peoples AP's ;)
08:59<HoopyCat>there's only so much 2.4 GHz; we exist cooperatively with other networks
09:00<HoopyCat>unrelatedly, http://www.thespec.com/news/canada/article/841226--canada-s-most-infamous-utility-pole-has-been-removed
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09:03<XReaper>HoopyCat: well, my uni had been doing that for several years
09:03<XReaper>(nearby houses couldn't use wifi either)
09:03<HoopyCat>this should be a boon to roadrunner customers in western new york... turns out that all DNS resolver traffic was going across two fiber pairs hanging on that pole
09:04<XReaper>um why was that pole in the middle of a road
09:05<HoopyCat>XReaper: RTFA
09:05<XReaper>No
09:05<XReaper>There is no TL;DR
09:05<XReaper>:(
09:05<HoopyCat>XReaper: "Someone done f'd up"
09:06<XReaper>;)
09:06<XReaper>like http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2236746/Road-built-building-couple-refuse-China.html
09:10<HoopyCat>our house, in the middle of our street
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09:19<XReaper>you just got that song stuck in my head
09:19<XReaper>D:
09:19<Daevien>XReaper: it was in quebec, no more explanation needed?
09:19<XReaper>lawl
09:21<linbot>New news from forum: Port 199 SMUX, what is it? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9558&p=54820#p54820>
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09:40<HoopyCat>discussion topic of the hour: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-manhattan-hurricane-sandy vs. http://www.flickr.com/photos/telstra-corp/sets/72157632078224176/with/8210114104/
09:41<Nivex>wow. just.... wow.
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09:42<HoopyCat>err, perhaps i should label that NSFW (Telecom Gore)
09:43<Nivex>yeah, "trigger warning" for die hard net techs
09:43<timyim>Good morning all
09:44<timyim>Can anyone help me out with a quick DNS/MX question?
09:44<hawk>!ask
09:44<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
09:44<timyim>ah, cool
09:45<HoopyCat>i'll be the jerkface today and say "no, we can't" :-)
09:45<HoopyCat>but i'd be a lying jerkface
09:45<Solver>hahaha
09:45<timyim>my domain.com is using godaddy as registrar, and they have 250 free smtp requests per day. I have the nameservers setup correctly in godaddy to point to linode
09:46<timyim>my problem is when I switch to linode from slicehost, my email went away
09:46<timyim>and I can't remember what I did to get it working 2 years ago
09:46<Solver>what is the domain?
09:46<timyim>timyim.com
09:46<HoopyCat>would you happen to remember the names of slicehost's nameservers?
09:46<timyim>i tried setting the mx to godaddy's server as in: dig -t mx timyim.com
09:47<timyim>sure
09:47<timyim>ns1.slicehost.com-ns3
09:47<timyim>* through ns3
09:48<HoopyCat>rats, they don't seem to have timyim.com in them any more. so much for the easy approach (dig -t mx timyim.com @ns1.slicehost.com) :-)
09:48<timyim>In my linode DNS manager, I currently have my MX record pointing at smtpout.secureserver.net
09:48<timyim>but godaddy is saying MX error with no details
09:48<timyim>of course
09:48<HoopyCat>it's probably not smtpout.secureserver.net (since that implies outgoing mail)
09:48<Solver>I'm seeing linode as NS from diferent locations
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09:48<Solver>and I'm seeing MX 10 as smtpout.secureserver.net
09:49<Solver>smtpout.secureserver.net answers on tcp/25
09:49<HoopyCat>maybe try smtp.secureserver.net (it's MX for godaddy.com, at least?)
09:49<Solver>but it may not e configured to aceept mail for hat domain - let's see
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09:50<Solver>timyim: ok the MX you have set only accepts authenticated connctions - as such it is unsuitable as an MX
09:51<Solver>unsuitable
09:51<Solver>let's see if smtp.secureserver.net would be better as currently cnfigured
09:52<timyim>kk, one sec
09:52<Solver>what is an address at timyim.com that would work? ( tried postmaster but that didn't work)
09:53<timyim>www is the only A record
09:54<timyim>here is the godaddy MX info page showing ports, etc... http://i.imgur.com/fwXRY.png
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09:55<Solver>timyim: I just set an email to you via smtp.secureserver.net
09:55<Solver>did you et it?
09:55<Solver>s/et/get/
09:56<Solver>250 ok: Message 70527905 accepted
09:56<timyim>Test from linode user Solver
09:56<XReaper>shoot me now. just installed a web admin panel on my linode
09:56<Solver>excellent
09:56<Solver>timyim: change the MX to be smtp.secureserver.net
09:57<HoopyCat>hooray for godaddy eating their own dog food :-)
09:57<Solver>haha
09:57<XReaper>HoopyCat: ?
09:57<HoopyCat>finally, a tusk they managed to execute helpfully
09:57<HoopyCat>task
09:57<XReaper>ityrm 'tusk'
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09:58<HoopyCat>XReaper: dig godaddy.com mx --> useful information
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09:58<timyim>yep, found another page on the AWESOME to understand godaddy admin panel that says this: http://i.imgur.com/sbX7i.png
09:58<XReaper>Oh
09:58<hawk>HoopyCat: I guess that is good until you try to contact them about a problem with their mail system
09:58<HoopyCat>hawk: i do suppose that is one of the elephants in the room
09:58<hawk>HoopyCat: Did they shoot it?
09:59<Solver>big room :)
09:59<XReaper>HoopyCat: lolz@secureserver.net
09:59<HoopyCat>timyim: excellent. my usual suggestion is "check their web site for the right settings" but you said godaddy and i knew it'd be easier to just guess-and-check :-)
10:01<timyim>thanks a lot guys. now we wait for the godaddy: it may take up to 48 hours blah blah blah
10:01<HoopyCat>ERROR render_wikitext (page wiki community/broken links): 'NoneType' object is not callable
10:01<Solver>timyim: np. good luck
10:01<HoopyCat>ha ha, the page rendering is broken, but we'll never know because the page rendering is broken!
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10:02<HoopyCat>timyim: it's out of godaddy's hands at this point, and is entirely in the hands of linode and the DNS
10:03<Solver>yes true
10:03<HoopyCat>if godaddy says it'll take 48 hours, linode can get it done in 24! (*)
10:03<HoopyCat>(*) actually, it'll be 24 hours because that's what the time-to-live is set to on the existing MX record
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10:06<hawk>timyim: But you did make the change on the Linode DNS service end? Not in some zone at godaddy that isn't used by anyone?
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10:07<timyim>yes. hahaha. that would've been awesome. tomorrow comes around: Hey guys, your ideas are bad and you should feel bad!
10:07<mikegrb>lulz
10:07<timyim>lol
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10:08<rnowak>hiveminds~
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10:09<hawk>timyim: Stranger things have happened
10:10<timyim>absolutely. mostly by me. i can program the shit out of a distributed message bus with global mutex locking.... but you put DNS in front of me and my face goes numb
10:10<timyim>just one of those things man
10:11<timyim>i've done some stupid crap with DNS
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10:11<timyim>not knowing what I'm doing
10:11<timyim>pound/test/SHIT/repeat
10:12<timyim>i do appreciate all your guys' help though. MUCH better than slicehost.
10:12*timyim hopes there isn't anybody from slicehost present
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10:13<Solver>:)
10:17<saltod>Hey guys — I've got a client getting kinda nervous. My DNS hasn't fully propagated yet on http://holyhearttheatre.com. I did the switchover around midnight last night from GoDaddy to Linode. Should it be taking this long?
10:17<saltod>ie: Should I be worrying yet? =)
10:18<Solver>I'm seeing that domain delegated to linode from multiple locations
10:19<Solver>could you be looking at cached values?
10:19<saltod>Yeah, me too. I checked on Open DNS and all the servers they list are linked to the linode properly
10:19<saltod>But yet, I'm still not seeing the new site
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10:19<XReaper>timyim: oh, i even have an ec2 instance
10:19<XReaper>:P
10:20<Solver>MX is mail.holyhearttheatre.com which isn't answering on tcp/25 for me
10:22<Solver>http://holyhearttheatre.com worked for me
10:22<linbot>New news from forum: upgrades? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9562&p=54821#p54821>
10:22*XReaper_EC2 gives timyim a hug
10:23<Solver>so th key is to make sure that he new and old nameservers return the correct results during the transition
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10:26<js_>will i notice any speed difference with the higher cpu priority on a 2gb linode compared to 1gb?
10:26<saltod>Solver: the weird thing is that when I did: dig holyhearttheatre.com
10:26<js_>or is it kind of low so i'd have to measure it?
10:26<saltod>from home last night, I got the right (Linode) ip, but now at work, I'm getting the old one
10:27<saltod>Solver: and, actually, when I > dig holyhearttheatre.com from my linode via ssh, I get the right ip and nameservers
10:28<saltod>Does that suggest that everything is ok, and that we just need to wait a little longer?
10:29<timyim>All right! you guys rock! Email restored. Thanks again everyone!
10:31<Solver>saltod: yes I think it is fine
10:31<Solver>how lon ago did ou redelegate?
10:31<saltod>midnight last night
10:31<Solver>you mentiond midnight but I have no idesa what your TZ i
10:31<saltod>aah....sorry...........12 hours ago
10:31<Solver>:)
10:31<saltod>=)
10:32<saltod>So 12 hours isn't outside the norm?
10:32<Solver>rule of thumb is that redelegation can take up to 48hr. in practice I find it normally takes much less than that
10:33<saltod>I've found the same — usually only a few hours. This is the longest its' taken and it has me worried that I've done something wrong!
10:33<Solver>I hit a few com. nameservers to see what they thought of the domain but eac one I tried reported linode as the NS
10:34<saltod>All I need to do is wait then =)
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10:34<saltod>thanks Solver:
10:36<Solver>np. normaly I wouldn't have expected caching to be occuring as you ar using dig
10:36<Solver>havng said that... does your workplace do any interception of Internet traffic?
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10:37<Solver>some appliances intercept traffic to the authoritative servers and return cached results longer than they should
10:38<Solver>saltod: everything I see suggests the delegation has completed
10:38<Solver>check that MX record though :)
10:38<saltod>I'm at a university — I would expect that they do all kinds of traffic interception!
10:39<Solver>probably :)
10:39<saltod>safe to say though, that If I login to my linode and get the desired result via dig from there that things are ok?
10:39<saltod>my linode is certainly outside of my local dns cache zone — if it's in NJ somewhere
10:40<Solver>I've checked from various location including my linode in atlanta
10:40<saltod>Alright. Well that's good enough for me. Time to figure out what an MX record is =)
10:41<Solver>:)
10:41<Solver>mae sure mil is working on the host _before_ you point the MX at it
10:41*Solver blames this keyboard for the poor typing ;)
10:42<Solver>make sure mail is working on the host _before_ you point the MX at it
10:42<saltod>Do I even need mail to work there? I thought it already did work...when I installed WordPress, I got an email notification
10:43<Solver>current MX is not responding on standard smtp port (tcp/25) for me
10:44<Solver>saltod: the wordpress notification would be a locally generated emal sent out presumably
10:44<Solver>it is possible you don't want incoming email of course
10:45<saltod>I guess so, yeah. What would I use an MX record for?
10:45<saltod>> is possible you don't want incoming email of course
10:45<Solver>MX record is where mail for the domain is sent
10:45<saltod>maybe that's true — I won't be accepting mail at emailaddress@holyhearttheatre.com
10:45<Solver>if you don't have an MX record then modern mail servers treat the A record as an implicit MX 0
10:46<saltod>They use a gmail address
10:47<Solver>Just don't answer it if you don't want it :)
10:47<saltod>true =)
10:50<Solver>speaking of timezones it's late here so I'm off to sleep :)
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10:52<XReaper>02:52
10:52<XReaper>Solver: how late is late
10:53<Solver>01:52
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10:53<XReaper>Oh.
10:53<XReaper>That's not late ;)
10:54<Solver>hahaa yeah I've been staying up until 2-3am all week. I gotta stop that :)
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10:54<XReaper>i've been doing that for
10:54<XReaper>months
10:54<XReaper>:(
10:54<XReaper>irc!
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10:55<XReaper>Solver: worst thing is using caffeine to ... get over the tirenes
10:55<Solver>oh yeah. I don't do coffee in the evening anymore
10:56<XReaper>I like Arch Linux. All web panels don't work :D
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10:56*Solver gives Debian a big hug
10:57<XReaper>Oh, i have a debian wheezy box
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10:57*Solver sticks to stable mostly
10:58<Solver>I'm conservative when it comes to OS. probably the only way I am conservative :)
11:00<XReaper>I run gentoo/arch/debian
11:00<XReaper>/windows
11:00<XReaper>:P
11:00<Solver>:)
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11:05<Daevien>XReaper: windows being the most unstable of all!
11:05<XReaper>Uh
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11:06<XReaper>I can't crash Windows 8
11:06<XReaper>it. won't. let. me.
11:06<XReaper>:(
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11:08<Daevien>i had win8 do some funny things and lock up before i quit that job. i haven't ahd to touch it since. should probably make a vm and use my license in case i do need to fix it for someone
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11:22<XReaper>Uh
11:22<XReaper>Don't run it under a VM.
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11:22<XReaper>hot corners are excruciatingly painful to use in a VM
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11:26<HoopyCat>XReaper: not if you run it full-screen
11:28<XReaper>HoopyCat: of course
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12:03<pk>hi, just beginning to set up linode account.
12:03<pk>do i need to have a domain name, or can I use some default, while I'm testing things out, like 'linode2342.linode.com" or whatever ?
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12:04<pk>I want to set up nginx with fastcgi and perl.
12:04<vegardx>If that domain points to your server, I don't see why not.
12:04<pk>well, I haven't purchased a domain yet.
12:04<pk>and, for the time being, I don't want to.
12:05<pk>I just want to set up the server, serve some files, play w/ a few things .. .and so on ...
12:05<XReaper>pk: your linode comes with a .linode.com subdomain for testing etc
12:05<pk>XReaper, right.
12:05<XReaper>so yeah, you can use that for now :)
12:05<pk>is the hostname that linode2534... ?
12:06<pk>so, for the time being, I can set up my boxes hostname to that, as well ?
12:06<pk>then ?
12:07<Sagar>hi
12:07<Sagar>Can't we signup on Linode without buying?
12:07<XReaper>You need too pay up front
12:07<XReaper>*to
12:08<XReaper>Sagar: they have a 7 day cooling off period where you can get a full refund
12:08<Sagar>O.o ?
12:08<Sagar>CGY.
12:10<pk>hi, reaper, but, from the outside, I could not resolve that hostname ... if I tried to ssh to my hostname .linode.com
12:11<XReaper>it's linode<somenumber>.linode.com
12:11<pk>right, but, can't ping, can't ssh.
12:11<XReaper>You can find it under the 'Remote Access' tab in the manager
12:11<XReaper>Have you deployed your linode yet?
12:11<XReaper>;)
12:11<pk>yes.
12:11<pk>or rather, I think so ...
12:12<pk>I've ssh'd in, using the ip address ...
12:12<pk>and dashboard shows it is running ...
12:12<XReaper>that'll work
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12:18<pk>hmm, reaper, is there some other special magic I have to set up ?
12:19<pk>in order to deploy ?
12:19<amitz>does ssh -C have comparable speed to vnc?
12:19<amitz>the x11 forwarding vs vnc
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12:23<linbot>New news from forum: do-release-upgrade 11.04 > 11.10 failing in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9563&p=54822#p54822>
12:26<pk>hi, guys, yes, I have this deployed as well as have servers running and so on ... but, I don't think I have the default hostname working ...
12:31<pk>hmm ...
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12:49<pk>ok, I found the correct hostname, which is now somethhinng.members.linode.com
12:49<pk> ...
12:49<pk>located in the remote access panel.
12:49<pk>the first-time setup notes should have some notice regarding this ...
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12:53<XReaper>oh, that's the one
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13:09<trippeh>Hmmm did ubuntu remove possibility to tune size of system default tmpfs's?
13:09<trippeh>Grr I think
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13:31<Dreamer3>hmmm
13:31<Dreamer3>can really heavy IO still cause linodes to freeze?
13:32<HoopyCat>haven't experienced that myself
13:32<Dreamer3>my box was completely unreachable with load > 10… and a few minutes later it's fine
13:32<Dreamer3>and all it does it run a disk based varnish cache
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13:33<Dreamer3>my wait % is pretty high even now i think
13:33<HoopyCat>that'll make things feel frozen, fo sho
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13:39<Dreamer3>filed a ticket
13:40<Dreamer3>maybe a disk based cache on a virtual host isn't so good?
13:40<Dreamer3>it's pretty reliable for the most part
13:42<HoopyCat>probably not a great idea... I/O performance is going to vary a lot, depending on what else is going on
13:43<Dreamer3>i've never known it to be frozen
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13:45<Dreamer3>ok i'm right
13:47<HoopyCat>odds are good it wasn't frozen per se, more likely just servicing disk I/O requests less rapidly than they were coming in, and stuff was blocking until those requests were serviced. mind you, if serviced requests per second is much less than new requests per second, it does seem a lot like zero :-)
13:47<Dreamer3>right
13:47<Dreamer3>i understand that
13:47<Dreamer3>not my first rodeo
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13:48<Dreamer3>but haven't had disk io issues since the EARLY linode 5-10 years ago
13:48<Dreamer3>with UML
13:48<HoopyCat>if you're on the same host as one of my dev boxes, god help you ;-)
13:48<mikegrb>ruflz
13:48<Dreamer3>rofl
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13:51<Peng>EC2 Micro seems capable of at least 100 Mbps outbound traffic. Now if only the CPU was capable of doing anything interesting at 100 Mbps... ;-)
13:51<Peng>...Not that that's on-topic.
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13:53<Dreamer3>hmmm
13:53<Dreamer3>i wonder if memory mode would even fix this
13:53<Dreamer3>all varnish does is open a large mmapped file on the disk
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13:59<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: if you have the RAMs and don't need a huge/persistent cache, by all means
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14:03*eagles0513875 does happy dance
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14:08*HoopyCat cackles evily as all CPU gauges peg at 100%
14:08<eagles0513875>HoopyCat: wanna know what i bought myself
14:08<eagles0513875>something i have been wanting for a long tiem :D
14:08<eagles0513875>its a tablet but try guess which one hehe
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14:10<Dreamer3>HoopyCat: nothing wrong with CPU
14:10<Dreamer3>it's disk that will kill ya
14:10<linbot>New news from forum: nf_conntrack: automatic helper assignment is deprecated and in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9564&p=54823#p54823>
14:10<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: that's why i'm cackling evily... http://drop.hoopycat.com/rocwiki-sapling-import-fullspeed.png
14:10<HoopyCat>eagles0513875: ipad!
14:11<@qmr>aPad
14:11<Dreamer3>what variation of top is that?
14:11<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: htop
14:11<eagles0513875>HoopyCat: ha no a google nexus 7
14:11<eagles0513875>has a 4+1 nvidia tegra cpu
14:12<eagles0513875>quad core with an energy saving core in it as well
14:12<HoopyCat>eagles0513875: nice
14:12<eagles0513875>HoopyCat: its super zippy that is for sure
14:12<eagles0513875>even game performance but that isnt why i got it
14:14<@qmr>eagles0513875: Bard's Tale is on sale on android market
14:16<eagles0513875>?
14:17<eagles0513875>interesting
14:17<eagles0513875>for 2.33 euros its worth it
14:18<Dreamer3>ok
14:18<Dreamer3>going to use my linode balancer after all it looks like
14:18<hawk>eagles0513875: famous last words from many an app shopper
14:18<mikegrb>lulz
14:18<eagles0513875>lol hawk i havent been unhappy yet
14:21<@qmr>yea. idk if playing it on my phone is best experience, but it's entertaining. makes fun of common RPG tropes
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14:32<Dreamer3>how can i find the internal address of my node balancer?
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14:34<@qmr>Why do you want / need that? The address is subject to change
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14:36<@qmr>It will be in 192.168.255.0/24 I believe
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14:52<Dreamer3>firewall
14:52<Dreamer3>but i guess i could just do the entire backend
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14:59<Dreamer3>weird
14:59<Dreamer3>iptables-restore errs on COMMIT ?
15:04<HoopyCat>hmm.... iptables-restore is unable to restore a file that was produced by iptables-save and not touched by human hands?
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15:06<Dreamer3>hmmm
15:06<Dreamer3>right
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15:06<Dreamer3>iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.
15:06<Dreamer3>could it be linode changed what's compiled into the kernel or something?
15:06<Dreamer3>all i did was migrate and reboot
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15:07<Dreamer3>trying to use connlimit
15:08<Dreamer3>do i need to rebuild my modules or something?
15:08<Cromulent>is it possible to limit the incoming and outgoing bandwidth usage for specific VPN connections (L2TP/IPsec)?
15:09<Cromulent>I know about general traffic shaping but not when it comes to specific connections
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15:10<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: what kernel were you running before, and what kernel are you running now? (and what distro/version are you running?)
15:10<Dreamer3>Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
15:10<Dreamer3>i dunno… i always have "latest" chosen
15:10<Dreamer3>Linux front.pastie.org 3.6.5-linode47
15:10<Dreamer3>is what i'm running now
15:10<Dreamer3>before i couldn't say
15:11<HoopyCat>Cromulent: iptables can mark arbitrary packets, which can then be matched by the traffic shaper. i don't have a running example of this, though :-)
15:11<Cromulent>HoopyCat: cool thanks - that at least gives me something to research :)
15:12<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: hrm, iptables seems healthy here. (same kernel and distro/version)
15:12<Dreamer3>define healthy
15:12<Dreamer3>create a web chain and try this: iptables -A web -p tcp --dport 80 --tcp-flags FIN,SYN,RST,ACK SYN -m connlimit --connlimit-above 20 --connlimit-mask 32 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
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15:15<Cromulent>oh and how come the front page has stopped mentioning the 768MB and 1536MB Linodes? Have these sizes been retired or something?
15:15<HoopyCat>Cromulent: they've been EOL'd
15:15<Cromulent>well that kinda sucks
15:15<Peng>Emphasis on "kinda"
15:16<Peng>If it *really* sucked, they wouldn'ta done it.
15:16<vegardx>Hm, OpenMediaVaults domain has been hijacked or domain squatted. Anyone know the IP for their servers so I can configure apt to use that instead?
15:16<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: indeed, it fails for me too
15:16<Dreamer3>how can i get a list of which modules are compiled into my kernel?
15:17<@caker>zgrep LIMIT /proc/config.gz
15:17<Cromulent>just a bit of a jump to the next size now - oh well I'll survive
15:17<Dreamer3>CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNLIMIT=y
15:17<Dreamer3>do i need to rebuild module dependencies or something?
15:18<@caker>it's not a module
15:18<Dreamer3>afaik all i did was reboot with a diff kernel and how my firewall is dead
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15:18<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: you shouldn't have any modules happening at all (lsmod should be blank)
15:18<Dreamer3>yes, ls mod is blank
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15:18<Dreamer3>i'm using iptables-save and restore and the previous save no longer restores after my most recent reboot
15:19<Dreamer3>and i've narrowed it down to these conn limit rules
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15:19<Dreamer3>iptables: Protocol wrong type for socket.
15:20<HoopyCat>i suspect the iptables API changed in newer kernels, in a way that breaks that
15:20<Dreamer3>caker: any idea?
15:22<@caker>run last, or 'last reboot' and see if it recorded the kernel you were running prior to this reboot, and experiment with that kernel?
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15:23<Dreamer3>all is see is me most recent boot
15:24<Peng>vegardx: So, someone has been compromised, and your first thought is "how can i install their software"?
15:24<@caker>Dreamer3: last -f /var/log/wtmp.1 ? shrug. Or just guess and try that kernel
15:24*HoopyCat hands Dreamer3 the bisect hat
15:24<Dreamer3>ha
15:25<Dreamer3>caker: that doesn't have any better history
15:25<vegardx>Peng: Just testing, and it seems like more "we forgot to pay our bills" :-)
15:25<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: when'd you last reboot?
15:25<Dreamer3>grrrr, i could just reboot to 3.4 maybe, but that seems like such a copout
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15:25<Dreamer3>long long ago before today prolly
15:25<Dreamer3>i don't reboot
15:25<HoopyCat>Dreamer3: well, you can reboot to 3.4 and that'll tell you if it happened between 3.4 and 3.6.5 :-)
15:26<HoopyCat>narrows down the window a bit
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15:29<Dreamer3>just finding it hard to believe conn limit would be broken in 3.6
15:29<Dreamer3>and no one would notice
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15:30<@caker>it's not connlimit that's broken, it's the userspace in 10.04 is now too old
15:30<dcraig>oh wow they finally changed "Latest 3.4.x" to be "Latest 32 bit"
15:30<@caker>my guess, anyhow. iptables can be cranky
15:30<@caker>dcraig: heh, 'they' :)
15:31<dcraig>I'm sure an ad hoc committee was formed to discuss the switch
15:31<Dreamer3>caker: ah
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15:35<saltcod>Hey guys — any ideas why http://holyhearttheatre.com/ works for me, but http://www.holyhearttheatre.com/ takes me to a different, unrelated subdomain?
15:35<EugeneKay>Because your VirtualHost configuration is wrong
15:35<Peng>!dns6 holyhearttheatre.com
15:35<linbot>Peng: 198.74.62.121
15:35<Peng>!dns6 www.holyhearttheatre.com
15:35<linbot>Peng: 198.74.62.121
15:36<saltcod>EugeneKay: I thought just adding the new domain zone took care of the www part
15:36<EugeneKay>In the Manager? No, that's only for DNS
15:36<Peng>saltcod: EugeneKay means your web server's configuration.
15:36<saltcod>hummmm
15:36<EugeneKay>Your web server needs to be aware of both www. and the bare domain
15:37<saltcod>ooh. Here's my file: https://gist.github.com/4137176
15:37<EugeneKay>Typically this is done by specifying the www. flavor as a ServerAlias, jus underneath your ServerName
15:37<dcraig>change it to ServerAlias www.holyhearttheatre.com
15:37<EugeneKay>Yeah, line 8 should have www.
15:37<EugeneKay>Restart Apache & enjoy
15:37<saltcod>should I have both www and not?
15:38<dcraig>why would the name be the same as the alias?!
15:38<saltcod>have two aliases?
15:38<dcraig>no
15:38<dcraig>one alias
15:38<EugeneKay>No, Alias is in addition to the Name. No need to specify it as an alias of itself.
15:38<EugeneKay>That's just silly
15:38<saltcod>So I have the whole thing wrong? =)
15:38<EugeneKay>No, just line 8
15:38<dcraig>you need to type "www."
15:38<saltcod>Should the ServerName and the ServerAlias be the same?
15:39<dcraig>so you were 4 characters away from having it right
15:39<EugeneKay>No.
15:39<dcraig>they should be different
15:39<saltcod>ServerName != the domain name?
15:39<EugeneKay>It does
15:40<dcraig>make one of them the www version and the other one the non-www version
15:40<dcraig>your choice
15:40<saltcod>aaaah
15:40<saltcod>now I'm getting you
15:40<EugeneKay>ServerAlias is just that - an Alias.
15:41<dcraig>you must be an upright citizen; criminals are more familiar with the concept of aliases
15:41*EugeneKay fnord
15:41<saltcod>=)
15:42<saltcod>Works like a charm, guys. Thanks
15:42<saltcod>Actually — in the spirit of Thanksgiving — to everyone here: In the few weeks since I've been here, I've found this channel unbelievably helpful. I've had only kind, helpful, positive responses to (likely stupid!) questions I've had.
15:43<saltcod>I really appreciate the help from everyone. Thanks for being great.
15:43<EugeneKay>That was yesterday. Today we tear out your throats in order to save $100 on a TV
15:43<saltcod>hahahahahahaahahahahaha
15:43<saltcod>Forgot to check the calendar!
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15:44<dcraig>did everyone get to take advantage of the linode black friday specials before they expired?
15:44<saltcod>Feels like black friday at linode all the time
15:45<dcraig>too much green in the manager
15:45<EugeneKay>Holiday themed manager.... with red text in a <blink> tag
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15:45<EugeneKay>That's frankly terrifying.
15:45<dcraig>I like it when there is falling snow all over the page
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16:03<pk>hi, is there anyone here who can help me troubleshoot some nginx / fast cgi / perl issues
16:03<pk>?
16:04<HedgeMage> : Don't ask to ask, just ask -- we don't know if we know the answer until we know the question. Asking to ask just wastes time and annoys people.
16:05<pk>subsequent calls to the same script don't seem to save state and I'm concerned that I haven't properly configured fastcgi.
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16:06<pk>if I cat fcgiwrap.socket I see "no such device or address" ...
16:08<pk>has anyone here configured this ?
16:10<Dreamer3>ok
16:10<Dreamer3>i'll just build the latest iptables
16:10<Dreamer3>have to remind myself how to use the dpkg tools
16:10<rnowak>oO
16:11<rnowak>you do realise iptables is just a frontend to netfilter kernel module(s)?
16:11<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE
16:11<rnowak>HUEG LÖV
16:11<pk>perhaps I have something blocked with my unix sockets ?
16:12<pk>no, that doesn't make sense because I can serve data from my fcgi, but, its that state is not being kept between calls ...
16:13<rnowak>state is bad mkey
16:13<rnowak>but, how many processes do you spawn? each will likely have their own state
16:14<pk>I was thinking such, but I only see 1 process ...
16:15<Dreamer3>caker: recompiling iptables worked :)
16:15<pk>for /usr/sbin/fcgiwrap ...
16:15<Dreamer3>using the latest iptables from a newer ubuntu
16:15<Dreamer3>caker: so going back to 3.4 probably would have worked as well
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16:19<alup>hi, is there a specific plan which makes a good fit for hosting a audio streaming service?
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16:19<cfedde>as always. it depends. make some estemates, do some multiplication. see which one meets your bandwidth needs.
16:20<kyhwana>alup: not really, youd need more transfer than cpu/ram
16:22<alup>for a live streaming web radio with a small number of listeners e.g. ~50 per day
16:22<alup>kyhwana: so you propose me another solution such as AWS?
16:23<mwalling>alup: 50 listeners * stream size (64kbps?) * time connected = bandwidth needs
16:23<kyhwana>youd need to find somewhere that can handle your upstream bandwidth and total monthly transfer
16:25<alup>so there are no others here that have used a linode vps for such a case?
16:25<rnowak>is it music or purely voice?
16:26<mwalling>alup: since you've joined, 4 people have said anything. i don't think we're representitive
16:26<alup>rnowak: both should be supported
16:26<rnowak>voice would be more feasible as you get great quality for a fraction of the bitrate, but yeah, you can't really use that for music
16:27<alup>any other known provider?
16:28<cfedde>I don't think anyone is saying that it would not work.
16:29<mwalling>!7day
16:29<linbot>There is a 7 day money back guarantee period, giving you plenty of time to realize that Linode is awesome with your own eyes. Try it, you'll never look back. {TOS S. 4, and faq.cfm#how-do-i-close-my-account}
16:29<kyhwana>alup: just look at how much total outgoing transfer youll use in a month, select the linode plan that fits, see if it meets your budget, done
16:30<alup>kyhwana: yeah dude this is the right step
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16:32<pk>hmm .. no love on this fastcgi saving state ... changed to using tcp sockets and still no love ...
16:32<mwalling>you're intentionally saving state between page loads in the applications memory?
16:33<mwalling>that seems... wrong
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16:36<pk>hi mwalling, its the way that fast cgi works.
16:36<rnowak>oO
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16:36<mwalling>...
16:36<pk>it spawns a process, and your server calls
16:36<pk>are dispatched to it.
16:36<mwalling>ok, thats right, i'm a moran
16:36<mwalling>continue, you obviously know what you're doing
16:37<pk>well, alsmost ...
16:37<pk>but I've got something misconfigured & I don't know what.
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16:51<pk>yes, the fast cgi keeps spawning new processes instead or reusing the same ...
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16:56<@qmr>hi pk. are you following this guide? http://library.linode.com/web-servers/nginx/perl-fastcgi/debian-6-squeeze
16:58<kyhwana>hmm
16:58<kyhwana>anyone in NZ/AU having trouble getting to fremont over v4?
16:58<pk>hi, qmr, yes ...
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16:58<Hobbsee>kyhwana: the intertubes are having issues
16:58<Hobbsee>if you're routing via vocus
16:58<kyhwana>Hobbsee: yep
16:59<pk>to the letter, but, the applilcation is not saving state.
16:59<kyhwana>tho v6 seems OK
16:59<Hobbsee>kyhwana: we just got an email about it, they don't have an ETA, but are working on it
16:59<kyhwana>well, with packetloss
16:59<pk>so, in a subsequent call, the applicaiton isn't holding on to values between requests.
16:59<kyhwana>Hobbsee: ahh cool, thanks for the tip
17:00<pk>so, in that example you sent me, the script is being interpreted fine, but, a variable defined outside the accept loop but incremented inside the loop is reset to whatever it was initialized with.
17:02<kyhwana>oh, just saw that thread on AUSNOG
17:02<Hobbsee>kyhwana: np
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17:05<pk>ok, so I'm giving up on nginx and will move over to apache 2 and see if I can get some luck.
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17:06<HoopyCat>hmm, nonzero chance that my right hand's outer fingers are connected to my brain via australia
17:06<HoopyCat>would explain much
17:06<Peng>9/17
17:06<Peng>...Where'd that 9 come from?
17:06<HoopyCat>Peng: sudden outbreak of rationality
17:11<linbot>New news from forum: nf_conntrack: automatic helper assignment is deprecated and in Linux Networking <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9564&p=54824#p54824>
17:19<EugeneKay>pk - if set up properly your fastcgi application should be running independently of any webserver
17:19<EugeneKay>Including responsibility for spawning the master & child processes
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18:07<pk>eugenekay, the application simply doesn't save state.
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18:08<pk>each new call to the application spawns an entirely new process.
18:09<EugeneKay>Then something is wrong with your application
18:10<pk>no, its not the case; its the set up.
18:10<pk>or rather, what do you mean ?
18:10<pk>I'm jus using a minimal call ...
18:11<pk>nothing really.
18:11<pk>just a test.
18:11<EugeneKay>Your webserver is supposed to speak to your fastcgi application via a socket or a TCP connection. Process spawning is to be handled by your application
18:11<EugeneKay>There should be zero execution of a local binary by your webserver in speaking with this app
18:11<pk>right,
18:11<EugeneKay>If your application is spawning processes, then it's a problem wit hthe app. There is no way for your webserver or its config to control that.
18:12<pk>so, you are saying that hte app should know which process to re-serve to ?
18:12<pk>but, the fci proceses aren't even resident on teh box ...
18:12<EugeneKay>It's a separation of responsibility.
18:13<HoopyCat>the web server picks up the phone, barks "give me /cgi-bin/webapp.php?urmom=2", and that's the end of its involvement
18:13<EugeneKay>If you're passing stuff to a backend then the backend needs to know what to do with it. If you're caching stuff on the backend then said backend should know how to handle followup requests so as to cause a cache hit instead of a miss
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18:17<Daevien>i do believe namecheap's webserver farm jsut caught on fire. $0.98 domain registrations :p
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18:27<@qmr>wut
18:27<HoopyCat>WAT
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18:28<kyhwana>register ALL the domains
18:28*staticsafe registers kyhwana
18:29<avenj>Daevien: you ain't kidding -- tried to grab one, gave up :)
18:29<kyhwana>nuu
18:29<@qmr>limited to 1 per customer ..
18:30*qmr sees no reason his cats can't be customers
18:30<Daevien>heh
18:30<Daevien>yeah the transfer were limited to 10 domains in for $0.98 each, was hoping the new would be too but no luck. oh well, didn't really need any domains, was just going to register 3 for some friends at that price
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18:36<@qmr>now I need a catchy name to register :/
18:37<Daevien>qmr: heckmansucks.com
18:37<EugeneKay>qmr.me is available
18:37<@heckman>Daevien: you seem a little obsessed. :)
18:37<@qmr>Daevien: I can't think of a better way to spend $.98
18:38<Daevien>heh
18:38<Daevien>better investment than the horseboners one they were going on about last week
18:38<rnowak>you're not allowed to host anything related to that domain in atlanta at least ;p
18:39<rnowak>no sucks allowed!
18:39<HedgeMage>wow I come in here at the worst times
18:39<staticsafe>HedgeMage: haha
18:39<@heckman>Daevien: the wat
18:40<Daevien>heckman: it was hoopy & some of the others.. one of them registered it or something
18:40<HedgeMage>Why, exactly, do I hang out with you guys?
18:41<@qmr>Daevien: what would I put on heckmansucks.com though?
18:41<Daevien>HedgeMage: because you are jsut as twisted as the rest? :p
18:41<rnowak>photos of heckman sucking on lollipops
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18:41<Daevien>qmr: i dunno, it's your domain.. whatever you want. have a rotating picture each day of him or something :p
18:41<HedgeMage>Daevien: You know, I might buy that if not for the horse boners.
18:42<EugeneKay>I've spent more money on worse jokes
18:43<EugeneKay>Lots more money.
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18:45<Daevien>HedgeMage: i didn't say *I* registered it or was involved in it. i just unfortunately saw them talking about it here
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18:49<HedgeMage>Daevien: fair enough
18:49<HoopyCat>it started in the forums
18:50<HoopyCat>i, however, have nothing to do with the operation or ownership of horseboners.com
18:50<Daevien>i fear i will regret this question but anyway: how the hell did the conversation start?
18:51<HoopyCat>http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?p=54561#p54561
18:52*EugeneKay goes back to blowing up Kerbals
18:52*HedgeMage refuses to click
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18:56<@qmr>!!!
18:56<@qmr><3 Kerbal Space Program
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19:07<epochwolf>Is there an easy way to transfer all of my dns records from rackspace cloud to linode? AXFR didn't work.
19:08<Peng>Welll... I've heard of scripts that use the Slicehost API, but not hte Rackspace API.
19:09<epochwolf>Peng: I found those
19:09<epochwolf>rackspace support was not helpful on this topic, which isn't a surprise.
19:11<dwfreed>why isn't AXFR working? Is rackspace not allowing it, or...?
19:11<dwfreed>having never used rackspace, I'm not familiar with their stuff
19:11<epochwolf>• The nameserver 'dns1.stabletransit.com' refused our AXFR request.
19:11<epochwolf>they also don't support zone file export
19:12<Peng>epochwolf: It's possible someone has written a Rackspace API-to-zone file script.
19:13<HoopyCat>i haven't checked, but i'd be surprised if libcloud can't slurp DNS records from rackspace. (i'm also pretty sure it can fling DNS records to linode)
19:13<@qmr>'Apache Libcloud is a standard Python library that abstracts away differences among multiple cloud provider APIs.' well that looks interesting
19:13<HoopyCat>yup, http://libcloud.apache.org/supported_providers.html
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19:14<epochwolf>If I have to write code, I'll just take 2 hours to enter all the data manually
19:15<EugeneKay>qmr - here's my latest monster. http://imgur.com/a/irjKx
19:15<epochwolf>I should probably just do a 3rd party dns provider so I don't have to deal with this shit every time I move a hosting provider.
19:16<HoopyCat>libcloud does make it a little easier, but yeah, decoupling DNS from hosting isn't a terrible idea
19:16<staticsafe>dnsmadeeasy <3
19:17<EugeneKay>BIND <3
19:17<epochwolf>I'm not running my own dns
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19:18<HoopyCat>running your own DNS is a terrible idea. :-)
19:19<EugeneKay>I know, right?
19:19<HoopyCat>arbitrary blanket value judgments are a terrible idea
19:19<Peng>epochwolf: Linode supports AXFR and zone file export. So you even if you did leave, which you never will, it wouldn't be a problem. :)
19:19<epochwolf>Peng: okay
19:19<epochwolf>thanks
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19:41<epochwolf>wow… cloning domains saves tons of time
19:41<epochwolf>I got everything entered.
19:41<epochwolf>only 20 minutes
19:44<HoopyCat>that's not even long enough to shave. http://i.imgur.com/YlX7Z.jpg
19:44<HoopyCat>s/long enough/enough time/
19:47<epochwolf>HoopyCat: electric razor = 5 minutes :P
19:48<HoopyCat>while typing? :-P
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19:48<epochwolf>nope
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20:02<Peng>Ugh, I got into a package dependency mess. In Ubuntu. :(
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20:05<Peng>Not that it was hard to fix, but it made me unhappy.
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20:06<gastounage>Hi, i'm experiencing some connection issues when accessing my linode (Fremont, CA) from Sweden. Is there anyone who can help ? I would like to know if this is an actual network issue with BBB Swedish ISP.
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20:07<HoopyCat>gastounage: mtr is often a good tool to figure out where/when things are breaking. run it from both ends, if possible
20:11<gastounage>I'll run some tests with mtr. I actually didn't check this page : http://library.linode.com/linux-tools/mtr. Thanks! :)
20:12<HoopyCat>it doesn't solve problems, nor does it tell you what the problem is, but it does help you determine if you are crazy :-)
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20:26<gastounage>yea.. my coworkers already think that i am ;-) The connectivity issue happens only few hours a day, so.. it's hard to catch (not to mention the time difference with the other team). Thanks again for the advice.
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20:42<Peng>THere's a lot of Internet between Fremont and Sweden... And it probably goes through New York, which got flattened recently...
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20:48<dcraig>the internet needs more direct pipes
20:49<HoopyCat>drill baby drill
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20:50<gastounage>:)
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21:02<@heckman>is github screwed for anyone else?
21:03<@heckman>Or is Chrome just spinning for no reason...
21:03<XReaper>i just ran a pull, just you.
21:03<Nightmare>Works for me, too
21:04<@heckman>Yeah, Chrome is puking on cache for some reason
21:04<@heckman>lovely
21:04<XReaper>shift+f5
21:04<@heckman>Already tried that
21:04<XReaper>if it doesn't work, get a better browser.
21:04<XReaper>;)
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21:41<jeremyb>Peng: http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-manhattan-hurricane-sandy
21:42<Peng>jeremyb++
21:46<jeremyb>http://status.fogcreek.com/2012/11/situation-stabilized.html http://blog.fogcreek.com/hurricane-sandy-wrap-up/ http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/11/se-podcast-36-we-got-hit-by-a-hurricane/
21:46<jeremyb>those are the people that were carrying diesel up stairs manually
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22:04<HoopyCat>jeremyb: so as to resolve a context mapping thing that has been warping my brain for a bit: are you https://twitter.com/jeremyb ?
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22:08<jeremyb>hah
22:08<jeremyb>doesn't look too familiar... although i must have looked at the account at *some* point?
22:08<jeremyb>maybe his profile changed
22:09<jeremyb>anyway, i don't know him
22:09<jeremyb>HoopyCat: @bymerej
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22:13<HoopyCat>jeremyb: cool, just wanted to make sure. i can get confused easily.
22:14<HoopyCat>jeremyb: i shall follow you, simply so that i can, at some point, incite a battle betweenxt the two of you
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22:17<XReaper>the hell... mtr on gentoo is root only
22:17<kyhwana>no setuid bit?
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22:17<XReaper>no, it's literally root only
22:17<staticsafe>XReaper: did you just find this out?
22:17<XReaper>staticsafe: yeah
22:18<XReaper>but WHY THE HELL DID THEY DO THIS
22:19<jeremyb>HoopyCat: why, do you know the other one?
22:20<jeremyb>HoopyCat: anyway, twitter is mostly a mirror. most msgs originate at identi.ca
22:20<jeremyb>oh, rochester huh
22:22<retro|blah>XReaper: suid use flag, yo
22:22<XReaper>?
22:23<HoopyCat>jeremyb: i've probably met him IRL but can't place it, because of that whole context-mapping thing. i do, however, work with his brother
22:23<retro|blah>there's also that small problem of sbin dirs not being in nonroot $PATHs
22:24<retro|blah>XReaper: mtr has a suid use flag to set that bit
22:24<retro|blah>so you can run it as nonroot
22:24<chesty>!gentoo
22:24<linbot>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFEoMO0pc7k
22:25<XReaper>gentoo yells at me for trying
22:25<HoopyCat>jeremyb: i don't use identi.ca, as i do not recognize the sovereignity of quebec
22:25<mikegrb>lulz
22:25<XReaper>lol
22:25<retro|blah>XReaper: trying what.
22:25*XReaper gives up
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22:25<retro|blah>...
22:26<avenj>wat
22:26<XReaper>gentoos default permission settings on mtr suck
22:26<jeremyb>HoopyCat: ermmmm? seriously?
22:26<avenj><retro|blah> XReaper: mtr has a suid use flag to set that bit
22:26<jeremyb>HoopyCat: it's canada not quebec afaik
22:27<HoopyCat>jeremyb: no, but it sounds more impressive and well-reasoned than the actual reasons (laziness and inertia). and it is montreal-based; i know this because i looked it up whilst trying to come up with a bullshit reason
22:28<avenj>XReaper: mtr has to touch sockets in unholy ways; this requires root privileges ... there is a USE flag to turn on chmod +s (suid bit), which could be a potential security hole
22:28<XReaper>Oh, ok.
22:28<jeremyb>HoopyCat: yes, it's montreal based. but new york is also not sovereign...
22:28<XReaper>YAY one of my vps providers is being dossed
22:29<HoopyCat>jeremyb: quebec would prefer to be sovereign more so than new york
22:29<jeremyb>HoopyCat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_New_York
22:32<HoopyCat>jeremyb: that's a whole other kettle of fish (and one which i would, under the right circumstances, support) :-)
22:32<HoopyCat>jeremyb: but see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_sovereignty_movement
22:33<jeremyb>yeah, yeah
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22:38<yuhu>any admin
22:38<HoopyCat>!ops
22:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/
22:39<yuhu>how too it take to deliver a vps when i made payment
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22:42<jeremyb>yuhu: errr, that doesn't make sense. restate?
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22:43<retro|blah>yuhu: Usually a few minutes. Unless they need verification
22:43<yuhu>ic
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