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00:00<XReaper>nah, just annoying
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00:10<shmoon>hi, i am quite confused. $ curl -I - gives a 404 not found. try it in browser you get 200 OK - I am out of ideas, could someone help me solve the issue ?
00:13<dwfreed>shmoon: it 404's only for HEAD requests, which is what -I uses
00:13*praetorian nods
00:13<shmoon>oh, i wanted to get the Headers basically
00:13<dwfreed>use -i
00:13<dwfreed>that won't 404, and will still give you the headers
00:14<shmoon>also why does it do so ? the other sites on another linode doesnt 404's on head request. any idea?
00:14<kyhwana>shmoon: because it's configured to?
00:15<shmoon>ok better with -i, header+content
00:15<shmoon>kyhwana: ok, any idea where exactly ? :P its not in my code, i didnt do it in my apache config.
00:16<shmoon>basically i wouldnt want it to 404 for head request.
00:16<praetorian>i guess their code checked what type of request it is getting
00:16<praetorian>and says 'HEAD'.. oh we having nothing for that!
00:17<StevenK>wget -S will print out the headers ,too
00:18<praetorian>but wget is old.
00:18<akerl>I imagine there's a way to get the headers from emacs
00:18*staticsafe slaps akerl
00:19<StevenK>praetorian: Sorry for using old and reliable tools, then?
00:21<praetorian>StevenK: no worries, forgiven
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00:23<praetorian>akerl: well.. you could just use /dev/tcp
00:24<XReaper>curl then to make you happy.
00:24<sgo11>hi, a newbie here. regarding nginx setup. I give location / {proxy_pass http://gunicorn-server}. Then I want to define a directory to handle static files. what I did is writing empty block: location /static/ {} and location = /favicon.ico {}. Is this the right way to handle such situation? a empty block? the empty block works. just not sure if that is the recommended way. thanks.
00:24<praetorian>XReaper: no you. context dude.
00:25<XReaper>dude, context, i have none.
00:25<pharaun>your context is none.
00:29<praetorian>sgo11: btw someone will respond.. but i dont use nginx :)
00:30<sgo11>praetorian, sure. thanks for your reply. ^_^
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00:31<Gnintendo>*cough* vim>emacs *cough*
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00:37<kuzetsa>nano > vim and/or emacs
00:39<pharaun>cat > nano
00:39<pharaun>you can pet a cat and it can purr
00:39*HedgeMage uses butterflies
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00:41<kuzetsa>pharaun: agreed <3
00:41<akerl>butterflies are really just applied mathematics
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00:44*HedgeMage grins at akerl
00:46<Gnintendo>akerl: I thought butterflies were applied philosophy
00:46<kuzetsa>Gnintendo: that too.
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00:52<praetorian>there ssomething fun
00:52<praetorian>accidentally knock your mobile onto airplane mode for a few hours
00:52<praetorian>For those playing in america, i said 'cellular'
00:54<staticsafe>praetorian: sure "accidentally"
01:01<auraka>ahh....good ole cloudflare articles that go funny
01:01<XReaper>praetorian: my phone just does that when the battery is almost flat
01:01<XReaper>the radio stays off even after a charge :(
01:02<auraka>XReaper: get a new phone? One that works?
01:02<XReaper>i fixed it by upgrading to android 4.2.1
01:02<Gnintendo>staticsafe: my earliest class this semester is at 10:30 AM ^.^
01:02<praetorian>staticsafe: amazingly 0 phone calls.. ;)
01:02<auraka>do you jailbreak your phone?
01:03<XReaper>nexus phone
01:03<praetorian>my phone does not do this
01:03<auraka>ditto galaxy nexus
01:03<auraka>and an iphone 5
01:03<staticsafe>Gnintendo: *sigh* Monday 8:10am class
01:03<auraka>the iphone5 kicks the nexus's ass in battery life and music playing
01:03<XReaper>auraka: course it does
01:04<Gnintendo>staticsafe: I only have the 10:30 two days a week: MWF my earliest is at 11:30
01:04<XReaper>they optimised the hardware
01:04<Gnintendo>staticsafe: last semester I had a 3 hour lab that started at 7:30 AM
01:04<Gnintendo>it SUCKED
01:04<auraka>staticsafe and Gnintendo screw both of classes are at 7:30 after working an 11 hour day
01:04*auraka gives both of you the finger
01:04<Gnintendo>MWF, my day starts at 11:30, and my last class ends at 2:20 PM
01:05<XReaper>So, anyone use fancy graph stuff for logs etc?
01:05<XReaper>most i've played with was munin
01:05<auraka>well if you call splunk or papertrail fancy graph stuff
01:06<auraka>right now I'm trying to import all data into (which is hosted on linode)
01:06<auraka>I'm creating a kick ass dahboard
01:07<auraka>dynect stats, sendgrid stats, pingdom, etc. all in once place...
01:07<Gnintendo>staticsafe: all my classes WERE in the building right next to my dorm too
01:07<auraka>staticsafe: ?
01:07<Gnintendo>then my first class of the day emailed me telling me they moved it to the building on the OTHER SIDE OF CAMPUS
01:07<staticsafe>ducksboard looks cool
01:07<auraka>staticsafe: it kicks major ass
01:07<staticsafe>Gnintendo: haha
01:08<auraka>staticsafe: I pull firewall sessions/drops into it....easy to use API...I asked them to include Linode integration
01:08<auraka>since they are a linode customer
01:09<staticsafe>that would be cool
01:09<staticsafe>Gnintendo: i have tuesday off, on friday i have one class 11:10am - 12:30pm -_-
01:10<Gnintendo>staticsafe: ah, that's nice
01:10<auraka>right now I'm trying to incorporate Splunk stats into it....but Splunk's api sucks....Dynects is broken
01:10<Gnintendo>last semester I had one class on Tuesday
01:11<Gnintendo>staticsafe: What are you studying?
01:11<auraka>Gnintendo: they give the short bus kids leaner class schedules
01:11*staticsafe looks at auraka
01:12<auraka>I picured you handing out business cards at parties
01:12<staticsafe>oh god no
01:12<auraka>I know...just a joke
01:12<Gnintendo>staticsafe: oh.
01:12<staticsafe>thought i do have some BS business courses since you know..first year
01:12<Gnintendo>staticsafe: what are you doing after college?
01:13<staticsafe>haven't thought about that yet >.>
01:13<auraka>so what gear have you touched so far....some cisco 6509's, 7200s? Ace Blades? FWSM? Juniper M-Series? J-Series? Any brocade stuff?
01:13<staticsafe>all cisco stuff i'm afraid
01:13<staticsafe>first year is CCNA stuff
01:13<Gnintendo>staticsafe: oh, what year are you?
01:13<staticsafe>Gnintendo: 1
01:13<auraka>staticsafe: you'll soon find Cisco has great marketing but they really suck
01:14<Gnintendo>staticsafe: have you declared your major yet?
01:14<staticsafe>er nope
01:14<auraka>Juniper and Brocade have some really great stuff, get your hands on some gear man
01:14<staticsafe>auraka: i wish, school lab only has cisco gear
01:15<auraka>staticsafe: If you want I'll spend some time with you on a gotomeeting with some of our Juniper gear
01:15<auraka>Don't be a cisco only person
01:16<staticsafe>second year is where all the fun begins apparently
01:16<auraka>staticsafe: just paying it forward...heckman helps me with my stupid python questions so I kind of owe the universe
01:17<staticsafe>but damn Cisco's marketing is pervasive
01:18<auraka>staticsafe: yes they are...big time
01:18<auraka>they will also do anything to rip out competitors gear
01:19<Gnintendo>staticsafe: don't lie to yourself: you'll be stuck doing general education requirements
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01:19<tubaguy50035>mmmmmm juniper gear
01:19<staticsafe>Gnintendo: hah
01:20<auraka>been very happy with our Juniper gear
01:20<tubaguy50035>has anyone ever not? haha
01:20<staticsafe>cisco sales reps probably
01:20<auraka>tubaguy50035: yes...people when they have bgp bugs that take out entire networks e.g. Level3
01:22<staticsafe>auraka: is that documented somewhere public? sounds interesting
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01:26<auraka>staticsafe: yes...documented....twice
01:27<auraka>staticsafe: along with many many cisco bugs :)
01:27<tubaguy50035>cisco? bugs? NEVER
01:28<pharaun>its more likely than you think!
01:28<tubaguy50035>Note: previous comment was sarcasm.
01:28<pharaun>Note: previous comment was a meme based reply
01:29<tubaguy50035>I would normally type el-oh-el in this scenario, but mikegrb will yell at me
01:29<pharaun>can't say that i have any love lost for cisco
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02:01<tubaguy50035>Is there a way to move IP addresses to a different Linode? I already have IP failover setup, but what if I was interested in moving the IP permanently?
02:02<kyhwana>within DC's you can swap them
02:03<tubaguy50035>I have nothing to swap them with on the other side though lol
02:04<tubaguy50035>I have multiple SSL sites with their own IPs. I may be interested in moving some of those to a new web server. I have IP failover setup, and am capable of moving the IP to the new Linode.
02:04<tubaguy50035>But in the manager, it still sees it as being owned by the first one.
02:05<kyhwana>hmm, by the IP failover setup, you mean?
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02:05<tubaguy50035>No, I just mean under "remote access" where it lists all the ips. It shows those all as being owned by the first one.
02:06<tubaguy50035>Where I might want to "move" one, not swap.
02:06<XReaper>tubaguy50035: ticket perhaps?
02:06<tubaguy50035>That's what I'm thinking. Just thought I'd ask.
02:06<XReaper>will require both to be rebooted
02:06<kyhwana>ohright, I thought there was a UI for swapping IPs, not sure about moving them
02:07<tubaguy50035>kyhwana: there is, but not for moving I don't believe
02:07<tubaguy50035>XReaper: unless I've already got it on the new one via IP failover, correct?
02:08<XReaper>no idea, if it's already on there i guess it should be fine
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04:38<sgo11>anyone good at nginx setup?
04:50<pharaun>sgo11: what's your issue anyway?
04:50<sgo11>pharaun, I asked already. May I repost the same question?
04:51<sgo11>hi, a newbie here. regarding nginx setup. I give location / {proxy_pass http://gunicorn-server}. Then I want to define a directory to handle static files. what I did is writing empty block: location /static/ {} and location = /favicon.ico {}. Is this the right way to handle such situation? a empty block? the empty block works. just not sure if that is the recommended way. thanks.
04:51<kyhwana>sgo11: if it works, it's probably fine.
04:52<pharaun>sgo11: i'm connecting from a remote session so i don't have the whole loghistory :P
04:52<pharaun>i think that if its working
04:52<pharaun>then i think you're probably fine
04:52<sgo11>kyhwana, Just want to hear from those people who have more experience on nginx. since I am very new to this. empty blocks look weird to me.
04:52<pharaun>sgo11: could probably hit up the #nginx chan if there is one
04:53<sgo11>pharaun, ok. thanks. I asked #nginx in freenode. two days, nobody replies.
04:53<pharaun>that's pretty dead
04:54<rnowak>if it makes you feel better you can put in a break; :P
04:56<sgo11>rnowak, :) break does make me feel better than an empty block.
04:57<rnowak>if you have no rewrite rules it will faiap be a noop
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08:06<Hello_Word>hello world.
08:06<Hello_Word>anyone here?
08:07<Solver>no, no one, not even me
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08:11<Hello_Word>is there a way on ubuntu to determine how much outgoing traffic for all IPs in a particular time period? My linode crashes every Sunday @ exactly the same time. So my conjecture is someone is scraping my site.
08:11<Hello_Word>And it's causing IO thrashing.
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08:20<Solver>there are a number of ways to do this. I'd recommend using a performance monitoring app. I use collectd for this.
08:21<Solver>if you want to be more granular you can use iptables (aka netfilter) rules to be as specific as you like in monitoring traffic
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08:27<jayvee>Hello_Word: if bob2 were around, he'd talk to you about the MaxClients setting
08:27<jayvee>the default is something like 150, which is ridiculous
08:27<jayvee>my low-traffic web server uses MaxClients 8
08:32<Hello_Word>thanks, I've reduced my max client to 10.
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08:56<tmertz>Hi there. I'm having some mysql issues that I'm hoping someone here can help me with?
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08:59<manfredcai>any adminstrator is here?
09:01<Yaakov>manfredcai: Your best route is a ticket or email.
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09:12<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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09:33<HoopyCat>true fact: the word "import" is made up of two separate words, "imp" and "ort". it is, literally, the process of using an ugly, small, lesser-demon to infect your database with orinthobacterium rhinotracheale.
09:34<rnowak>I'll have what you're on
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10:14<amitz>so... i'm oot-ing again. I have some cards i need to access using card readers. But card readers i'm currently using is.... flaky? after a few transactions, it will say that "it's not ready" or something like that. Is it usually the problem with the card reader? driver? or limitation of card?
10:16<HoopyCat>swipey-cards or wavey-cards?
10:16<rnowak>how about the inserty-cards?
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10:16<HoopyCat>err, magnetic stripe or RFID/NFC/etc?
10:16<HoopyCat>or yeah, dippy-cards
10:16<rnowak>(smart cards?)
10:17<HoopyCat>electrocontactical bi-way commsie cards
10:17<amitz>i meant smart card reader. openpcs iirc
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10:18<HoopyCat>amitz: so, the card has multiple contact points on it like a SIM card and dips into the reader?
10:18<amitz>touchey card probably, i never knew if it must touch or close enough is okay. But definitely not NFC or RFID
10:19<amitz>like sim card. The card has multiple contact points to dip into the reader.
10:20<linbot>New news from forum: Citadel not sending in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
10:20<amitz>it's a flakey beast. I have to insert a few seconds delay to make every request to be successful. And even then, sometime i get an error that force me to "rest" the card for like 15 seconds
10:20<rnowak>have you tried if it happens with another card?
10:20<HoopyCat>amitz: so it's a but not a ? interesting.
10:20<amitz>before sending another request. Same thing with another card.
10:21<rnowak>I can insert and remove cards from my reader all day long, no problem
10:21<amitz>i suspect the readers, the drivers, or card limitation (if such thing exists)
10:22<amitz>no, i don't put in/out the card. The card just stays there inside the reader. But I send request to that card periodically
10:22<HoopyCat>amitz: ah cripes, here i was assuming it was for physical access control
10:23<HoopyCat>no idea why i was thinking that
10:23<rnowak>ah, right -- we use it for computer access, and authentication to different systems, so it gets quite a few reads now and then, I've never encountered it screwing up except for when the card just died
10:23<HoopyCat>'round these parts, it's almost always proximity cards or magnetic stripe cards for physical access control, hence my confusion. using a smart card would be infuriating
10:27<HoopyCat>amitz: i'm suspecting bad driver or some other protocol malfunction; driver sends "banana", card shuts that down to prevent pregnancy
10:28<HoopyCat>grab the oscilloscope
10:28<amitz>hah , so innuendo-ish :-p
10:29<HoopyCat>(speaking of which, afk)
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11:14<linbot>New news from forum: Citadel not sending in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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11:41<lakridserne>What would be the best way to synchronize cPanel with Linodes DNS servers?
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11:48<Pryon> ?
11:48<Pryon>I don't use cpanel, so I don't know if it's appropriate foryou
11:54<lakridserne>Well thank you for that - I'll look into it
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11:59<bobby>hey guys, mjajor issue here. I moved my WordPress site to a new nginx VPS. Now no emails are being send via like PHP or any of the Wordpress contact form plugins (Gravity Forms). Is there anything I need to put on the server for this to work? I figured it's just plain php mail()
12:00<akerl>Did you install an SMTP?
12:00<bobby>no i did not but i know there is an smtp wordpress plugin that would fix the issue. I was just hoping that it would work the way it is
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12:01<akerl>If you want to send mail you need to install something to send mail
12:01<bobby>i see -- like what? I thought php could send mail alone
12:02<akerl>postfix and exim seem to be common choices
12:02<bobby>ok so just apt-get install exim and it will work?
12:07<jaskal>bobby: perhaps the linode library might be of use -
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12:10<bobby>does send only exim use up a lot of ram?
12:12<bobby>like 20mb?
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12:22<bobby>what about sendmail -- isn't that an alternative program
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12:28<brian___>how do you guys feel about citadel on your linode? i always feel a little apprehensive to run my own mail server. but now that google apps individual is no more, im looking into it a little more
12:30<akerl>brian___: You can still get google apps for a single inbox
12:31<brian___>really? i thought i read they shut it down.
12:31<HoopyCat>also, you can use postfix (or another MTA of your choosing) to forward mail to (or any other) addresses
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12:34<brian___>interesting, thanks!
12:35<Steve^>Running a mail system on your server is quite a pain
12:35<Steve^>It means you have to maintain it, which means you have to understand it
12:35<HoopyCat>also, spam.
12:35<hays>Is there a way to use key-based authentication for email (IMAP/SMTP)
12:35<Steve^>I'm running postfix + dovecot and really wish someone would invent a single-click install for it
12:36<brian___>yeah sounds awful. so with MTAs you can send and receive emails fwd'd to your gmail?
12:36<HoopyCat>hays: ooh, good question. hmm.
12:36<hays>HoopyCat: might be moot for me since I need to use email from my phone..
12:37<staticsafe>hays: client SSL certs perhaps idk
12:37<HoopyCat>hays: i'll go with the lazy answer of "if the client and the server support it, sure"
12:37<hays>fair enough
12:37<brian___>HoopyCat: is this the guide I'm looking for?
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12:39<Steve^>brian___, check the version numbers of the software
12:39<Steve^>either dovecot or postfix, I forget which, went from version 1 to 2 since then
12:39<HoopyCat>hays: good news, it seems possible:
12:40<hays>very interesting
12:40<HoopyCat>brian___: particularly
12:42<HoopyCat>p.s. if bobby shows up again, he's running postfix and his mail is working fine now
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12:43<HoopyCat>took me awhile to figure out why i got an e-mail declaring that someone is a fish
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13:48<batuhan>hey, a friend of mine can't activate his account, it says "pending activation". no e-mail on the inbox. what should I do?
13:51<vegardx>Russian rulette is always an option!
13:51<vegardx>(I kid, just wait, probably manual verification going on)
13:51<batuhan>okay, thanks.
13:58<Yaakov>batuhan: Some accounts can be instantly activated but some require human review. It's part of the anti-fraud scheme that Linode uses. It doesn't mean anything except there wasn't enough information to instantly activate.
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14:02<HoopyCat>batuhan: there'll usually be another e-mail fairly shortly from a human; if it's not there in an hour, e-mail
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14:16<Gnintendo>oh man
14:16<Gnintendo>My Linear Algebra solutions manual is larger than the text book; this can't be a good sign.
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14:23<HoopyCat>solutions manuals! ha ha
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14:35<Gnintendo>HoopyCat: It's weird; I looked through it
14:35<Gnintendo>It's not like it's solutions to problems in the book so much as it is an extension of the boko
14:36<Gnintendo>also EVERYTHING is a matrix :P
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14:37<staticsafe>i have calc this semester bleh
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15:23<linbot>New news from forum: Two Factor Authentication in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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15:50<HoopyCat>calculus is fun. with it, stuff starts making sense
15:51<Nivex>unless Calculus itself does not make sense
15:51<HoopyCat>calculus can be shown to make sense because everything else makes sense
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15:55<krazyj>is there any way to SSH into a secondary deployment? i.e. not take down my main deployment, while i set a new one up?
15:56<kyhwana>krazyj: ? how do you mean?
15:56<kyhwana>Your first linode is still up, unless you shut it down.
15:56<krazyj>i guess, within a linode
15:56<krazyj>i guess i can't run two instances within one linode....
15:56<kyhwana>no, you can't
15:56<krazyj>so looks like the server is going down while i setup a new installation
15:57<krazyj>bleh. ok
15:57<HoopyCat>a linode is a single instance
15:57<kyhwana>you have to spin up another linode <x>, if you want two "deployments"
15:57<krazyj>yeh, make sense
15:57<kyhwana>krazyj: if you delete the first linode, you'll get credited at the end of the month for the time it's been deleted for
15:57<HoopyCat>you could also add a new linode, build stuff there, and then tear down the unneeded one once life is good
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15:57<krazyj>i want to keep my IPs
15:57<kyhwana>(which is how most people do it, I think)
15:57<krazyj>and not get any renewals on them
15:58<kyhwana>you can do a IP swap in the same DC
15:58<krazyj>kyhwana: hm?
15:58<krazyj>if i tear down a linode, won't it release the IP into the pool?
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15:58<kyhwana>if you delete it, it will "release" the IP, I assume.
15:58<kyhwana>but if you just swap the IP's before you delete the first one, your 2nd on will now have the IP the first one had, if it's in the same DC.
15:59<krazyj>ah ko
15:59<krazyj>thanks kyhwana
15:59<kyhwana>Someone from linode confirm that? I've not had two linodes in the same DC before, so can't confirm the UI for IP swaps
16:00<krazyj>i'd wager the UI is the Support ticket interface ;)
16:00<sp_>anyone that can help me debug some postfix spam issues?
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16:01<sp_>all my outbound mail is getting tossed in the spam folder
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16:02<kyhwana>sp_: do you have reverse DNS setup? domainkeys?
16:02<sp_>I have reverse dns
16:02<sp_>set up for (should it be ??)
16:02<sp_>domainkeys.. I'm not sure what that is
16:02<staticsafe>SPF? Are you on blacklists?
16:02<HoopyCat>sp_: is this a relatively new IP? if so, it'll take a few "Not Spam" clicks for gmail to get used to it
16:03<HoopyCat>(by "relatively new", i mean "hasn't sent mail to gmail regularly before")
16:03<staticsafe>HoopyCat: or new domain
16:03<sp_>both new domain and new ip
16:03<sp_>(I think... this is a linode in tokyo)
16:04<HoopyCat>staticsafe: sometimes. i've found that sending from a new IP will get you spam-folder'd 100% of the time, tho
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16:05<krazyj>hmmm ok. deployed a new debian instance, rebooted, now i'm trying to `ssh root@<public_ip>` and the operation is timing out
16:05<krazyj>lish works
16:06<krazyj>d'oh never mind. looks like it has attached itself to my other public IP
16:07<HoopyCat>only one IP will be returned on a DHCP query (and new deploys use DHCP by default)... the IP returned is whichever one you least expect ;-)
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16:14*HoopyCat attempts to not fall asleep whilst reading about STANAG 4538 automatic link establishment
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16:19<krazyj>any thoughts about just using a root user if you own the server and it's not a super complex setup?
16:19<krazyj>single user web server, not doing anything super fancy (irc bouncer, web server, VPN host)
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16:21<HoopyCat>krazyj: generally a bad idea; too easy to accidentally do the wrong thing and break things permanently. (also, would require allowing remote logins to root, which is a well-known privileged username)
16:21<krazyj>HoopyCat: ahhh ok
16:21<krazyj>didn't think about that last one
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16:24<krazyj>I'm following the linode guide (
16:24<krazyj>and `sudo: command not found`
16:25<HoopyCat>apt-get install sudo ... some distros don't automatically include it in the minimal instals
16:25<krazyj>thanks HoopyCat
16:28*HoopyCat retunes ATSC RX#2 antenna, again
16:31<krazyj>i didn't setup my hostname in /etc/hosts… is that necessary?
16:32<HoopyCat>krazyj: arguably, no. if reverse DNS and forward DNS and /etc/hostname and an IP on the system all match, everything will be ok
16:33<krazyj>any suggested default sudoer config?
16:34<HoopyCat>gods... retune my loop from 657 MHz to 555 MHz, and for what? joe buck.
16:35<HoopyCat>krazyj: i haven't looked at debian lately, but at least with ubuntu, groups are specified by default in there... adding yourself to one of those groups and not touching /etc/sudoers is what i've been doing lately
16:35<jayvee>then again, if you disable passworded logins, it's not much difference whether you use root or not
16:36<jayvee>(someone stealing your ~/.ssh/id_rsa will already know your username)
16:37<krazyj>HoopyCat: that wouldn't give the user root rights, if i add the user to the group
16:37<HoopyCat>jayvee: they will know your username on that machine. :-) also, they probably won't know the password you'll use to sudo. (or your passphrase for id_rsa)
16:37<HoopyCat>krazyj: it'll let them use sudo to do stuff as root, yep.
16:38<krazyj>jayvee: nope, i'm using passworded logings
16:42<krazyj>i don't suppose setting a user to 'ALL=(ALL) ALL' privileges in the sudoer file is a security risk?
16:42<Nivex>depends. do you trust that user?
16:42<krazyj>is there any way to set the user's sudoer password to the root password? and is that risky?
16:43<Nivex>well the whole point to sudo is to have the log of actions. if they have the root pw, then they'll just use su
16:43<HoopyCat>krazyj: it always uses the user's own password, so that the user doesn't have to know the root password
16:43<Nivex>of course, if they're ALL ALL then they can just sudo -i
16:45<HoopyCat>and yeah, sudo's accounting may seem overkill for a single-user system, but you know how many times i've said to myself "what the f*** did i do to this thing?!"? :-)
16:45<krazyj>wait, i'm trying to use sudo so my day-to-day, externally SSHable account is a non-priveledged account
16:45<krazyj>then, i can sudo to root
16:46<HoopyCat>krazyj: you can sudo to do stuff as root, yes. (a subtle difference in wording, but yes)
16:50<krazyj>Nivex: what's sudo -i/
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16:52<staticsafe>simulate initial login
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17:14<testing>hey yall what's your favorite self-hosted web analytics program besides piwik?
17:17<testing>idk what that is
17:18<testing>hmm haven't heard of that one either
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17:59<linbot>New news from forum: CPU spikes crashing my server several times per week in General Discussion <>
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18:32<EugeneKay>Could somebody poke at fremont520? It appears to have disappeared
18:32<EugeneKay>Oh, nevermind, dwfreed is screwing it up already
18:32<kyhwana>goddamn HE
18:33<kyhwana>EugeneKay: getting loss to my node in fremont too
18:33*kyhwana prepares mtr
18:33<EugeneKay>This isn't loss, this is "We are currently aware of an issue with the host that your Linode resides on (fremont520). This issue requires a host reboot to resolve."
18:34<akerl>I blame NZ
18:34<EugeneKay>I blame ???
18:34<kyhwana>EugeneKay: hmm, I havn't gotten a ticket for my fremont node
18:34<EugeneKay>If you're not on fremont520 then it proooobably isn't related. At all
18:34<akerl>kyhwana: Your MTR looks like issues between your imaginary country and the real world
18:34<kyhwana>EugeneKay: just coincidence
18:34<akerl>Not in our DC
18:34<EugeneKay>Try getting a jug of Drano for your internet tubes
18:35<kyhwana>akerl: right
18:35<EugeneKay>They're clogged
18:35*kyhwana tries dallas, which he can get to via internet2*
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18:51<EugeneKay>Any idea why Heartbeat would spike to 100% CPU and eat up a pile of RAM?
18:51<EugeneKay>Something Linode specific
18:51<rnowak>adrenaline rush?
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18:55<bobby>can someone help me increase the size of db upload into phpmyadmin? I changed it in php.ini but it didn't work
18:55<linbot>PHPMyAdmin has a long history of being used to exploit systems. Instead of trying to secure & hide it, consider other GUIs which work over a SSH tunnel instead of via a browser - MySQL WorkBench(cross-platform) and HeidiSQL(Windows) are both very good
18:55<bobby>yeah yeah yeah
18:56<EugeneKay>Importing large databases(several MB) is typically done on the CLI, via `mysql foodb < foodb-dump.sql`
18:56<bobby>my db is 3mb gzipped
18:56<EugeneKay>That's plenty enough to give PMA a headache ;-)
18:56<tubaguy50035>bobby: what value did you change? And have you restarted apache?
18:57<tubaguy50035>have you restarted php-fpm?
18:57<bobby>i changed it to upload_max_filesize = 5M
18:57<bobby>i restarted the whole server
18:58<bobby>sftp://root@ip/etc/php5/cli/php.ini that's the file
18:58<tubaguy50035>bobby: did you change post_max_size?
18:58<bobby>but it's set to 8M by default so that should be fine
18:58<bobby>if my gzipped db is only 3 megabytes
19:02<tubaguy50035>well then I'm not sure. You should just have to up those two. If you've changed those and restarted, it should be higher.
19:02<tubaguy50035>if you have access to the server... why not do it over command line?
19:03<bobby>OK can you please tell me how
19:04<bobby>i have the mysql user and password where it needs to go
19:04<bobby>and i can upload the database into the root folder?
19:04<tubaguy50035>the root folder?
19:05<bobby>or wherever
19:06<tubaguy50035>doesn't matter how you get it to the server or where you store it. You just need to do what EugeneKay said before
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19:06<bobby>mysql -p -u username database_name < file.sql like that?
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19:08<bobby>unzipped the database is 28 megabytes -- is that ok?
19:08<bobby>is that big for a wordpress database?
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19:09<tubaguy50035>depends on how much stuff you have in wordpress. Seems large to me, but if you've got a ton of posts and plugins...
19:10<bobby> OK i get this message:
19:11<bobby>Error 2006 HY000 at line 16915: Mysql server has gone away
19:11<tubaguy50035>try restarting the MySQL server
19:12<bobby>there it is
19:12<bobby>how much do i pay you?
19:13<tubaguy50035>don't pay me, buy a new linode and don't use it. That way Linode has more money and I get features faster :)
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19:14<HoopyCat>the database i'm wrangling with right now is 2.3 GB, so yes, databases can get big
19:14<bobby>you don't have a paypal donation
19:16<bobby>i don't think it imported everything some tables are missing
19:16<praetorian>HoopyCat: 2.3G isn't big..
19:18<HoopyCat>praetorian: i know, but it's bigger than 28 MB :-)
19:19<rnowak>my db at work is in its upper tens of terabytes -- materializing derived tables is a serious pain in the somewhere
19:20<bobby>what work?
19:20<rnowak>cheminformatics is probably a good enough label
19:20<pharaun>tracking all of the bad/good people with chem in the world
19:20<praetorian>HoopyCat: nod
19:21<tubaguy50035>rnowak: what db server?
19:21<Yaakov>I label rnowak "lush", or "souse".
19:21<praetorian>rnowak: i think the largest i have is a ms sql ~1/2 terrorbyte
19:21<bobby>when i go to export db at server 1 it only gives me some of the tables wtf
19:22<bobby>should i export and import in sections?
19:22<tubaguy50035>bobby: how are you erxporting it?
19:22<rnowak>Yaakov: I... don't know what you mean, but I love you with a great huge love
19:22<tubaguy50035>Don't do that. Export from Wordpress.
19:22<Yaakov>rnowak: I mean you are frequently in your cups.
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19:22<Yaakov>rnowak: That you are often four sheets to the wind.
19:22<rnowak>not helping
19:22<bobby>why from wordpress?
19:23<Yaakov>rnowak: That you tend to be plastered.
19:23<Yaakov>rnowak: On the good stuff, of course.
19:23*rnowak tumbleweed
19:24<tubaguy50035>bobby: I've always had better luck when exporting straight from the applications rather than from phpMyAdmin. You could also export directly from MySQL. That would be the best.
19:24<avenj>I picture rnowak more like this ->
19:24<Yaakov>rnowak: That you can be seen soaked, bombed, hammered, or plastered on a regular basis.
19:25<Yaakov>rnowak: That you are known as an elbow-bender, a soak, and a tosspot.
19:25<Yaakov>rnowak: That is to say, you enjoy fine spirits with gusto.
19:26<HoopyCat>and some coarse ones too, IIRC
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19:26<rnowak>Yaakov: yessir, that I do
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19:56<Nightmare>Good afternoon
19:56<peachepe>anyone knows when linode pricing changed? I had a budget considering the Linode 1536
19:57<peachepe>which no longer appears on the website
19:57<Gnintendo>Pricing didn't change; several of the Linode options were just removed for new purchasers.
19:58<peachepe>well, that sucks for me now
19:59<Nightmare>Were they completely removed? I mean, the option to resize to a 1536 still appears for me, at least
19:59<Gnintendo>No, as I said, for new purchasers
19:59<Gnintendo>although I'm not sure if the ability to resize to them is intended
19:59<chesty>the resize option is temp, but once you have a 1536 you get to keep it perm
20:00<Gnintendo>You'll have to ask somebody who works for Linode to answer that
20:00<Nightmare>peachepe: Perhaps you could order a 1024 and resize to a 1536?
20:00<Gnintendo>chesty: of course
20:00<peachepe>I will try that Nightmare
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20:08<peachepe>well, it says its resizing :D
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20:26<EugeneKay>~/bin/yay >/dev/null
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20:54<tandw>hey linodes.. random question for ya...
20:54<tandw>if i take out a node from the nodebalancer on the live site, shouldnt have any adverse affects right?
20:55<tandw>best response time ever
20:55<dcraig>oh, I was saying "no" to your random question request, not the actual question
20:55<akerl>tandw: To clarify, he also doesn't work for Linode :P
20:55<dcraig>the pepole who work for linode have the @
20:55<dwfreed>tandw: provided you have other backends, and your application can handle the users on the backend you're pulling being bounced to another backend, it should work just fine
20:55<kyhwana>define "adverese affects" ?
20:56<akerl>Also, the answer to your actual question is "No, removing a node from the NodeBalancer shouldn't have adverse affects, provided you have other healthy backends"
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20:56<chesty>if by takeout you mean takeaway, there is a surcharge on containers
20:57<tandw>not sure, was just a precaution, as out of our 9 webservers, one of them is returning 502/503s, don't know which one yet, but we are expecting a spike in traffic shortly, so was just wondering once i work out which one it is, if i remove the node from the config, it wont drop all connections across all or something etc
20:58<tandw>ok thanks
20:58<tandw>containers...they make us carry food out in our pockets in australia
20:58<@akerl>tandw: You should be able to just set it as "REJECT" or whatever in the config
20:58<@akerl>No need to remove the node entirely
20:59<dwfreed>if you don't need to pull the plug, but just drain everybody off, there's a 'DRAIN' setting, as well
21:00<dwfreed>existing sessions balanced to that backend by the balancing algorith/stickiness you've selected will still go to that backend, but no new sessions will go there
21:01<tandw>ok, thanks
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21:02<Solver>what is wrong with this site...
21:02<HoopyCat>tandw: also, for the to-do list: error rate graphing for each backend
21:02<tandw>so in summary, if need be, change the config to DRAIN, which will let the instances die off, and if i set it to REJECT all current sessions will drop off, and not accept anymore? rather than removing the node completely?
21:04<tandw>sweet thanks
21:05<HoopyCat> <--- not throwing 500s, but if it were, this'd be huge
21:06<@akerl>I like that you graph 418s
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21:08<HoopyCat>akerl: well, if we start throwing 418s, that'll be worth noting
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21:27<tandw>thanks for your help!
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21:38<chesty>how did that happen i wonder?
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21:46<tubaguy50035>Solver: I like how it redirects to the coca cola jobs page :)
21:47<dunleavy>i guess that's redhats way of saying there ar eno jobs available
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21:48<chesty>that would be unusual for a big tech company
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21:53<HoopyCat>i suspect doesn't match a ServerName or ServerAlias, and the first match is this site...
21:53<HoopyCat>(note that is not a redhat site)
21:53<dcraig>you'd have to be mixed up with coke to use redhat
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21:54<HoopyCat>dcraig: you get the
21:55<Solver>tubaguy50035: nice huh :) I won't say who told me about this :)
21:55<Solver>HoopyCat: yeah seem so. sloppy error though, huh
21:55<dcraig>omg kitties
21:55<HoopyCat>Solver: they're some sort of third-party provider of resume-handling services. you expect them to know wtf they're doing? :-)
21:56<Solver>or at least check it after making a change in prod :)
21:59<HoopyCat>Solver: AR said to turn it off, so they did
21:59<Solver>ouch :)
22:00<HoopyCat>Accounts Receivable, the department that tells you to turn it off
22:00<ghosticus>TURN IT OFF
22:00<tubaguy50035>Engineering department: TURN IT ON
22:00<HoopyCat>DISCO FEVER
22:04<kyhwana>You shut that off and we're not going to be held responsible!
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22:37<justin>where are database stored
22:37<@akerl>/var/lib/mysql/something, i think?
22:38<kyhwana>justin: wherever you told it to store it?
22:39<justin>i need to import a database but it's too big and it won't let me do it
22:39<@akerl>what is "it" in this sentence?
22:39<justin>it usually gets cut off and doesn't send all the tamples
22:39<Solver>generally you do not want to touch or mess with the DB files directly
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22:39<justin>command line and phpmyadmin
22:39<Solver>use the db provided tools
22:39<justin>neither work
22:40<Solver>innodb fi never shrink - this can result in space that is effectively unused being sucked up
22:40<justin>it's only 75000 lines of sql so it's not huge
22:40<Solver>e the innodb files will be as large as the largest DB they ever contained
22:40<justin>for phpmyadmin i even set the php.ini max upload size to like 100mb but it won't take...the db is like 4 megabytes gzipped
22:40<StevenK>Solver: Even if you truncate a table and then VACUUM?
22:41<justin>can someone help me ? :)
22:41<Solver>StevenK: I believe so yes.
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22:42<Solver>reducing the size of an innodb filed used to be a royal pita. maybe it has got better
22:43<Solver>yep still requires a dump, drop & import to reduce the size
22:44<justin>i just need to import db.sql.gz into phpmyadmin
22:44<justin>it must be possible?
22:44<justin>without anything special
22:44<justin>i just need to increaes the allowed size
22:44<Solver>It isn't all bad though. A few years ago I had a DB saved from running out of disk because the innodb files were larger than the DB in use. system ran out of disk on that filesystem and the DB kept on rolling
22:44<justin>but i did in php.ini but it doesn't work
22:45<tubaguy50035>justin: do you have access to the server?
22:45<tubaguy50035>Then just do it over command line
22:46<justin>i tried but not all tables get transferred
22:46<tubaguy50035>How did you export?
22:46<justin>it errors out and when i restart mysql it gets a few more but not all
22:46<justin>i have a .sql and a gzipped sql file
22:46<justin>via phpmyadmin
22:46<tubaguy50035>Can you export via command line?
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22:47<justin>does it make a difference?
22:47<justin>it's the same thing
22:47<justin>same sql file
22:47<tubaguy50035>are you sure? You responded pretty quickly. Have you tried doing it ALL over command line?
22:47<justin>yes i have
22:48<justin>and they each have 75003 lines
22:48<@akerl>justin: So you have a .sql file exported via command line?
22:48<@akerl>what command did you use to export it?
22:49<justin>this format: mysqldump -u username -ppassword database_name > dump.sql
22:49<@akerl>for the record, pretty sure if you just put -p without the password following, it will prompt for it
22:49<Solver>and if you use the mysql comment to import, what error do you see?
22:49<@akerl>which is moar secure
22:49<@akerl>And then what Solver said
22:49<justin>hold on let me grab the error again
22:52<justin>it's working....lets see if it throws an error again
22:52<justin>i did like this $ mysql -u username -p -h localhost DATA-BASE-NAME < data.sql
22:55<tubaguy50035>That looks right. Did it throw an error again?
22:55<justin>now it's saying i have en error on line 1 ohmg
22:55<linbot>New news from forum: CPU spikes crashing my server several times per week in General Discussion <>
22:56<@akerl>My gut feeling suggests that if you export without a DATA-BASE-NAME (sic), you should import without one?
22:56<justin>hmm maybe
22:56<justin>doesn't make a difference
22:56<@akerl>also, you should give us the specific error message
22:57<justin>ok let me try one more time
22:58<justin>error 2006 hy000 at line 2000: Mysql server has gone away
22:59<@akerl>And what do your MySQLd's logs say?
22:59<justin>it imported like a third of it
22:59<justin>i can see 1/3 of it in phpmyadmin
22:59<justin>nothing in /var/log/mysql
22:59<tubaguy50035>have you tried restart mysql?
23:00<justin>what's the command
23:00<justin>ubuntu here
23:00<@akerl>justin: Your logs should say something
23:00<tubaguy50035>like any service: sudo service mysql restart
23:00<justin>there ar eno files in /var/log/mysql
23:00<@akerl>Are you OOMing?
23:00<justin>idk what that is
23:00<justin>so probably not
23:01<tubaguy50035>other way around ;)
23:01<@akerl>This isn't Looney Tunes; the fact that you do not understand a concept does not mean it won't affect you
23:01<justin>the fact is that of the 82 tables it consistantly only imports 26
23:01<justin>why is it doing that?
23:02<@akerl>Which is odd, because you just told us the error occurs on line 1
23:02<tubaguy50035>And then the error said line 2000, so...
23:02<justin>not the most recent error
23:02<tubaguy50035>are backing up just one database or the entire database server?
23:02<justin>just one
23:03<justin>i think i will cancel my linode and get managed
23:03<tubaguy50035>probably a wise choice
23:03<@akerl>justin: Or you could just get a sysadmin
23:03<@akerl>Look for a bearded model
23:03<justin>well it means a lot about a company if their tutorials don't work on their own products
23:04<tubaguy50035>woah... what tutorial are you following that didn't work?
23:04<justin>in the forum
23:04<tubaguy50035>nope, need a link
23:05<@akerl>Our guides live in the Library, not the forum
23:05<tubaguy50035>anything in the forum is not a tutorial.
23:05<justin>even if it's by a staff?
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23:05<tubaguy50035>These are unmanaged servers. You get to do whatever you want to them.
23:06*Solver wouldn't have it any other way
23:06<tubaguy50035>@akerl: get people like that often?
23:06*kyhwana eyeroll
23:06<@akerl>tubaguy50035: Not too often
23:06<@akerl>They're the occasionally vocal minority
23:07<tubaguy50035>I mean... even the guides can't be trusted if I've done something custom... so...
23:07<tubaguy50035>that's annoying
23:07<@akerl>For anybody curious: the fact that somebody is staff does not convert their every word into an officially supported server guide
23:07<@akerl>You'll want to revise your deploy procedures accordingly
23:07<kyhwana>and my favourite "Do you have a firewall/iptables rules?" "No! *rages*" "Really?" "Oh, I did"
23:07<tubaguy50035>I know I'll get yelled at for saying this, but that deserves a lol
23:07<dunleavy>i dont own a linode yet but the big reason i'm looking at them is the library to be honest
23:07<dunleavy>and the reviews
23:08<kyhwana>"What did you change?" "Nothing!" "Nothing... or something? ~.-" "Oh. I changed something"
23:08<tubaguy50035>the library is fantastic. You just have to understand that if you go outside those or do anything custom, it might not work.
23:08<ajmitch>kyhwana: it's like you've done tech support before
23:08<dunleavy>ajmitch: just gonna say that
23:09<dunleavy>i hate when my users say they have touched nothing only to watch them click the same error every time
23:09<kyhwana>ajmitch: Sort of, nothing as a "proper" tech support drone, but close enough
23:09<kyhwana>Hmm, something is making my nexus 4 get stuck on vibrate.
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.97034597, 0.55280353) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 434798 of 553339 (π ≈ 3.143085884060223 - 0.001493230470430). http://π
23:59<tubaguy50035>What does that mean? ^^
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