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00:29<linbot>New news from forum: 2 Citadel email servers in Email/SMTP Related Forum <> || Name Servers for Cloudflare in Linux Networking <>
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00:37<@heckman>EugeneKay: wot
00:37<EugeneKay>I ran out of imaginary numbers
00:41<linbot>New news from forum: Multiple domains in Citadel? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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03:43<sgo11>hi, running ubuntu 12.04. after every reboot, the date is wrong. after a few minutes (about 3 to 5 minutes), the date is reset to the correct one. what can be the cause? thanks.
03:44<KyleXY>less reboots?
03:44*KyleXY ducks
03:44<kyhwana>sgo11: check ntpdate?
03:44<kyhwana>the time for vpns is kinda wrong usually
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03:44<KyleXY>doesn't Xen supply a date to the VM?
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03:45<KyleXY>So the host is wrong by a few minutes, then his ntpdate is correcting it after reboot
03:45<KyleXY>sounds normal ish
03:45<sgo11>not wrong by a few minutes. wrong by 4 hours.
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03:47<sgo11>that gives me two problem. one: messes up my log files. two: my web server get timeout error and reboot somehow. I am not 100% sure the incorrect date is the cause. but that happens when the date gets changed and happens every time at reboot. hopefully, my words make sense in English. thanks.
03:48<KyleXY>sgo11: easiest solution is to stop the frequent reboots off the bat
03:48<sgo11>for instance: 12:46:17 [2380] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 2380 16:36:23 [2375] [CRITICAL] WORKER TIMEOUT (pid:2380) [4078] [INFO] Booting worker with pid: 4078
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03:49<dcraig>is ntpd installed?
03:49<sgo11>KyleXY are there any solutions to really fix this problem? thanks. stop using ntp and uninstall it?
03:50<sgo11>dcraig, yeah.
03:50<KyleXY>sgo11: no, you want ntpd
03:50<dcraig>what does "ntpq -c peers" say?
03:51<sgo11>dcraig, it shows 5 remote hosts. should I pastebin it?
03:51<KyleXY>yes please.
03:51<dcraig>does one have a * in front of it?
03:52<sgo11>dcraig, yeah.
03:52<dcraig>maybe ntpdate (or something else) screws with the time at boot, and then ntpd comes along and fixes it 5 minutes later
03:53<dcraig>is the time wrong by exactly 4 hours?
03:53<sgo11>dcraig, if i have ntpd, should I remove ntpdate?
03:54<sgo11>dcraig, not exactly 4 hours. something like: Thu Jan 10 12:49:04 CST 2013 compared to Thu Jan 10 16:36:49 CST 2013. thanks.
03:54<dcraig>I have ntpdate and ntpd, but I don't know whether ntpdate runs at startup
03:55<dcraig>I'm not sure what you should do :p
03:55<sgo11>dcraig, ok. no problem. :) let me google if I can uninstall ntpdate.
03:56<dcraig>maybe you should be running ntpdate immediately at startup (at least once you have network access) so that the time is mostly correct until ntpd can take over
03:56<dcraig>can we somehow blame this on upstart?
03:57<sgo11>dcraig, what's wrong with upstart?
03:58<dcraig>nothing, it's great
03:58<dcraig>but maybe it'd be a convenient fall guy :p
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03:59<sgo11>I just created some .conf files for upstart. very clean, neat and simple. much better than the old system-v init script.
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04:02<sgo11>ntpdate can not be uninstalled without uninstalling ubuntu-minimal.
04:06<KyleXY>oh god
04:07<Cromulent>sgo11: use the command hwclock -w to set the hardware clock when your system has the correct date / time set - that should preserve the settings even through a reboot
04:07<sgo11>Cromulent, thanks. let me try it now.
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04:08<sgo11>Cromulent, hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
04:08<Cromulent>did you run it as root?
04:08<shriphan`>hi everyone. I am wondering if anyone is hosting racket web-apps on their linode 512
04:08<sgo11>Cromulent, yeah. I tried --debug: hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed: No such file or directory
04:08<Cromulent>sgo11: hmm Xen must not support it then
04:09<KyleXY>Cromulent: yeah, xen just shoves a date to the vm on boot
04:09<sgo11>Cromulent, no worries. thanks for the help. how can I stop xen to sync my time then? there must be a way.
04:09<KyleXY>you can't
04:09<KyleXY>your time isn't saved across reboots
04:09<KyleXY>it's obliterated, literally.
04:10<Cromulent>sgo11: email support and see if they can sort the issue out?
04:10<KyleXY>I doubt it's the host that is that far off though
04:10<Cromulent>if it is a host problem
04:10<KyleXY>I can imagine stuff in their backend would be going nuts if it was
04:10<sgo11>Cromulent, ok. thanks for the tip. I can ask support.
04:11<shriphan`>also. i am a bit confused about rewrite-rules. I am going to run the racket web-server for my webapp and I would like apache to hand off requests to my webapp to the racket webserver. what is the best practice for doing this ?
04:11<sgo11>when I google this problem, some guy has the similar problem in VMWare.
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04:12<Cromulent>shriphan`: why not just use Apache and FastCGI?
04:12<Cromulent>or Nginx and FastCGI :)
04:13<sgo11>shriphan`, hi, I am a newbie. maybe you can try nginx? use proxy_pass parameter?
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04:14<sgo11>shriphan`, like location /myapp { proxy_pass; }
04:15<shriphan`>sgo11: I am stuck with apache (wordpress blog on /blog).
04:16<sgo11>shriphan`, I don't know how to do that in apache. just a newbie. I switched from apache to nginx one week ago. :) nginx + gunicorn wsgi server.
04:18<shriphan`>sgo11: I am a newbie myself (I am actually worried that I am administrating a linux box).
04:19<shriphan`>Cromulent: what if I don't have a CGI app ?
04:20<Peng>shriphan`: Why does using WordPress mean you're stuck on Apache?
04:20<Peng>shriphan`: Also, Apache can reverse proxy just like Nginx, BTW.
04:21<shriphan`>Ah, so even if I say have my server running on localhost:8000 , I can make apache redirect to it without changing the browser url ?
04:21<Peng>shriphan`: Yes.
04:22<Peng>shriphan`: It's not a redirect -- Apache (or Nginx or whatever) would act as a proxy.
04:22<shriphan`>Peng: right, so what should I google for to see how to do this ?
04:22<shriphan`>oh wait mod_proxy ?
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05:15<sgo11>the support says my host clock is correct... then what? ...
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05:29<linbot>New news from forum: date is wrong after reboot,then will be corrected after 3m in General Discussion <>
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05:34<sgo11>linbot, thanks, bot.
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05:38<chesty>sgo11: do you have a file /etc/adjtime ?
05:39<sgo11>chesty, no. I don't have that file.
05:39<chesty>I think it's only on physical hosts, not vm's, but it can cause weird clock issues
05:39<sgo11>chesty, thanks. but I don't have that file. :)
05:39<chesty>i saw
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05:45<chesty>I don't suppose cst is -4?
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05:47<sgo11>chesty, sorry, i don't really follow what you mean?
05:47<chesty>nope, it's -0600 anyway, env |grep TZ
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05:52<sgo11>gotta go. bye.
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05:56<linbot>New news from forum: Name Servers for Cloudflare in Linux Networking <>
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06:01<linbot>New news from forum: date is wrong after reboot,then will be corrected after 3m in General Discussion <>
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06:07-!-hays is "hays" on #linode #debian-kbsd #moocows #rpi #
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06:11<io_>hi all of a sudden my server is not responding, all servics are up and running (apache2 mysql varnish php5-fpm), what can i do tto debug this? never seen it before
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06:14<io_>(104)Connection reset by peer: FastCGI: comm with server "/srv/www/cgi-bin/php5.external" aborted: read failed on one of my domain logs
06:14<Solver>io_: you are sshed in?
06:15<io_>Solver: yes
06:15<kyhwana>2how is your server not responding if all the services are still responding?
06:15<Solver>does dmesg say anything? also check logs
06:15<io_>yeah that s whay i am puzzled
06:16<io_>ok i have a hint, a static html file driven site does work
06:16<io_>so it s got to be php or mysql
06:18<io_>the error is 500
06:19<io_>i ll try a reboot
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06:25<io_>ok i am a t a loss, no idea
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06:26<mneimne>hi am trying to instal vnc server on centos 6.2, but it requires a kernel update is this safe??
06:26<Solver>have you attempted restarting apache and/or mysql - with the caveat that this may impact othr sites & services
06:26<Solver>mneimne: that wasn't aimed art you :)
06:27<io_>Solver: i ve restarted every and each service
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06:27<Solver>what did dmesg and/or logs say?
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06:27<io_>php5-fpm WARNING: [pool www] child 4662 exited with code 127 after 5.290967 seconds from start
06:27<kyhwana>mneimne: installing vnc shouldn't require a kernel update?
06:27<io_>apche2 (104)Connection reset by peer: FastCGI: comm with server "/srv/www/cgi-bin/php5.external" aborted: read failed
06:29<kyhwana>well, your linode shouldn't end up using that kernel anyway, it'll use whatever you've got set in the linode dashboard
06:29<Solver>io_: and this happened suddenly?
06:30<supine>io_: set 'catch_workers_output = yes' in fpm.conf and see what the full error looks like
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06:32<io_>Solver first i noticed page were not loading then i did a php5-fpm restart, it didn t restart, then a reboot, now 500 (on php)
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06:36<io_>child 4907 said into stderr: "php-fpm: pool www: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/php5/20090626+lfs/ undefined symbol: pcre_exec
06:36<tobyx>hi :)
06:36<io_>something to do with the socket?
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06:39<supine>io_: no, seems to be a mismatch with fpm having pcre support and apc not having it
06:39<supine>io_: upgrade anything recently?
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06:40<io_>supine: i ve installed varnish
06:40<io_>memcache but that was a few days ago
06:42<supine>io_: you might have had something running that was working and the restart has caught the issue when the daemon restarted
06:42<io_>should i tr tu uninstall apc?
06:45<supine>io_: well, presumably it's installed for a reason. you should look at how you are installing it and ensure pcre support is enabled.
06:45<io_>i had a few outdated packages,
06:45<io_>let s see
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06:46<io_>nothing still dead
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06:51<io_>apt-get install libpcre3-dev and reinstall apc
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07:08<ZeiP> << anyone who could figure out why SSH'ing to this server results in the SSH packets going to INPUT RULE_13?
07:08<ZeiP>When I remove the ip6tables rules and reset to ACCEPT, it works just fine
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07:12<@akerl>ZeiP: What's the IP?
07:13<ZeiP>akerl, 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe93:155b
07:13<chesty>that's rude
07:13<@akerl>Is that your iptables -L -nv output?
07:14<ZeiP>-L -v
07:14<@akerl>iptables, right?
07:14<ZeiP>Yeah, ip6tables
07:14<ZeiP>Had to re-check just in case I had made a typo :)
07:15<@akerl>Pastebin 'ip6tables-save', 'netstat -lpn', and 'ip -6 addr'?
07:15<ZeiP>Ok, sec
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07:27<@akerl>Your SSH daemon isn't listening...
07:27<ZeiP>Hmh, the netstat listing isn't right
07:27<@akerl>Also you aren't allowing IPv6
07:27<@akerl>ICMPv6, rather
07:28<ZeiP>Should that show up as an ip6tables rule?
07:28<@akerl>Allowing ICMPv6 would be an ip6tables rule, since right now you have no rule for it and are kicking everything not matched to DROP
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07:54<linbot>New news from forum: Linode additional storage in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
07:55<ZeiP>akerl, I now allowed ICMPv6, and SSHD is indeed listening, the netstat listing just was missing it
07:55<ZeiP>Still for some reason all packets seem to go to the last rule
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08:53<linbot>New news from forum: v6 traffic not matching rules on Debian 6 in Linux Networking <> || After setting up SSH Key Auth still requesting Pwd to login in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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09:10<linbot>New news from forum: date is wrong after reboot,then will be corrected after 3m in General Discussion <>
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09:38<ChromeNotLoading>hi i'm an amateur at hosting. here's my problem: sometimes my linode doesn't load my website on chrome. in the server does not seem to respond. so i either restart my server on my terminal window or i reboot my linode. I have the smallest linode and little traffic. Is there a way I can troubleshoot this?
09:38<linbot>New news from forum: date is wrong after reboot,then will be corrected after 3m in General Discussion <>
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09:44<ChromeNotLoading>i'm curious. is this chat for trouble shooting? or just for talking?
09:44<ChromeNotLoading>i'm not sure, are the users in the chat room or linode employees?
09:45<ZeiP>This is a discussion channel, so AFAIK some are Linode employees, most aren't
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09:45<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
09:46<taylorbyte>i find this irc channel to have some of the most firendly ppl compared to the freenode channels
09:47<ChromeNotLoading>you know it's funny. i've actually always used this channel for help. and everyone's been great, but i was never sure who was helping!
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09:52<HoopyCat>on the internet, nobody knows you're a mog
09:53<HoopyCat>ChromeNotLoading: apache + mod_php? what's the maxclients and keepalivetimeout settings set to? chrome is really... "efficient" about proactively opening TCP connections and keeping them open
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10:03<ChromeNotLoading>hi hoopy
10:03<ChromeNotLoading>it's apache and running php
10:03<ChromeNotLoading>but i'm not sure if it's mod_php
10:04<ChromeNotLoading>i'm not sure what my max clients and keepalivetimeout settings are
10:05<ChromeNotLoading>i'm at work now, so i can't don anything yet. is there a certain max client and keepalivetimeout number that i should aim for
10:08<ChromeNotLoading>ah cheers supine!
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10:17<linbot>New news from forum: v6 traffic not matching rules on Debian 6 in Linux Networking <>
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10:51<linbot>New news from forum: SSH errors at work. Works fine at home. in General Discussion <>
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10:53<tubaguy50035>emergency reboots of physical hosts makes me a sad panda
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10:57<wangyangbin>Hi, during the test for api, I need to pay for some new linode which create by me, but I do not need to so many linodes in fact.How to do?
11:00<io_>reHi more hiccups, what a day, seems like I have all of a sudden again problems with php, is there any problem with the London server today or is it just my system?
11:01<@heckman>*the* London server?
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11:02<vodka>aha! I knew it!
11:02<linbot>New news from forum: PHP email library/module recommendations in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
11:02<rnowak>LINODE BROKE MY PHP
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11:04<eyepulp>linode did you a favor =)
11:05<io_>ok ok .. i was just wondering whether it is actually php or some server hiccups, nver seen this kind of problems
11:05<@heckman>io_: we have no idea what the problem is. What have you done to research it?
11:06<io_>digging into logs right now
11:06<io_>i wanted to be sure it was not main server side
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11:08<@heckman>io_: we have no idea, checking your logs should be step 0.
11:08<@heckman>If there's a datacenter issue, it'll be on
11:09<io_>seems like fpm max children was too low
11:09<io_>ok thanks
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11:18<BarryW>Please could someone clarify that if I delete a Linode that its backups get destroyed?
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11:19<@heckman>BarryW: yes
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11:20<BarryW>OK, thanks heckman
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11:21*KyleXY wonders if he meant delete delete, as in remove it entirely, or just rebuild.
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12:43<Jasonfoo>hi can someone pls give me some example iptables commands
12:43<Jasonfoo>say i want to block all incoming traffic expect traffic from on port 22
12:44<Nivex>two rules: one to allow that traffic, the next to drop all
12:45<Nivex>but be warned, you need to allow responses to outbound sessions too
12:45<io_>is i tpossible to read a log file dinamically , something like a tail log which shows always the last x given lines of the log
12:45<EugeneKay>man tail; see the -f flag
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12:46<io_>very nice thanks
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12:48<Jasonfoo>nivex: can u give examples for me ? so i know what to look at
12:48<@heckman>io_: you can also follow along in 'less'
12:49<@heckman>!library iptables
12:49<linbot>heckman: 1. Control Network Traffic with iptables - | 2. Configure a Firewall with Arno Iptables in Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) -
12:49<@heckman>Link one Jasonfoo
12:49<Jasonfoo>ESTABLISHED,RELATED <- this is the bit, ?
12:49<Jasonfoo>for the outbound.
12:50<Jasonfoo>which one is for responses to outbound?
12:50<@heckman>Jasonfoo: the iptables manpage should give you a good explanation.
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12:54<Jasonfoo>heckman: if i have multiple ip's on my linode, is -d the flag i should use for specifying which one?
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12:54<@heckman>Depends which chain you are adding the rule to.
12:54<@heckman>Also, IPs not IP's.
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13:03<io_>trying to debug fphp5-fpm here
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13:07<@heckman>First one looks like it couldn't connect to the MySQL UNIX socket.
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13:22<EugeneKay>Ah, that feeling when I go to resize my backups server(which has hit 95% disk utilization) and notice that I hadn't done the +20% yet.
13:22<EugeneKay>Disaster averted for another month.
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14:06<chadams>my domain name is registered with godaddy, but site hosted on linode. can I use go daddy for email?
14:07<eyepulp>chadams: yes.
14:08<chadams>my domain name is owned by a previous developer though :(
14:08<HedgeMage>chadams: You *can* but it would be pretty dumb.
14:08<tubaguy50035>then there's not much anyone can do for you...
14:08<HedgeMage>chadams: Godaddy's email service is awful.
14:09<chadams>can I setup my own email server or use a better service?
14:09<eyepulp>"chadams: Godaddy's service is awful." HedgeMage -- ftfy
14:09<chadams>I have never set one up before so I need it to be easy
14:10<chadams>need to setup emails for everyone (small company)
14:10<tubaguy50035>chadams: if you don't own the domain, how are you thinking you're going to change the MX record?
14:10<HedgeMage>You can do either in theory...depending on how much control you have over the domain, though, given that you don't actually own it. Do you control DNS to point it where you need it to go?
14:10<chadams>I can call him and have him change it
14:10<chadams>I already had him change it to point to linode
14:11<chadams>domain servers are set to NS1.LINODE.COM
14:11<tubaguy50035>That's the important bit :)
14:11<chadams>sod I think so
14:11<tubaguy50035>you can use whatever email service you'd like.
14:11<chadams>any recomendations?
14:11<tubaguy50035>free for 10 people
14:11<HedgeMage>I thought that wasn't free any more.
14:12<chadams>oh, I thought they were only web mail
14:12<tubaguy50035>It's just reduced
14:12<HedgeMage>(unless it's an already-existing account)
14:12<tubaguy50035>oh, nevermind
14:12<tubaguy50035>HedgeMage is correct
14:13<HedgeMage>Mind, if you like that sort of thing, gmail isn't horrendously expensive. I prefer to host my own, but I'm used to doing it.
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14:15<chadams>is it an email forwarding account for your domain
14:17<tubaguy50035>Gmail becomes your email server. You can access it from anywhere just like regular gmail accounts.
14:18<eyepulp>I just realized gmail didn't have the free apps standard accounts (for mail hosting)
14:18<eyepulp>(not plain gmail)
14:19<tubaguy50035>yeah. Ends up being 5 bucks a user a month.
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14:19<chadams>thats not bad, finally found a link to it
14:20<tubaguy50035>No, it's not. And you get access to all of the Google apps such as Google docs. Pretty sweet deal even if it isn't free anymore.
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16:06<linbot>New news from forum: SSH errors at work. Works fine at home. in General Discussion <>
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16:14<Aaron2>My website just went down from a lot of reddit traffic. Anyone have a suggestion for how to get it back up quickly?
16:15<kyhwana>Aaron2: how did it go down?
16:15<@caker>Aaron2: reduce MaxClienst to 20 and turn off KeepAlives.
16:15<eyepulp>Aaron2: what's the webstack you're hosting with?
16:15<@caker>MaxClients, even.
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16:17<eyepulp>do what caked said - it's *possible* he's more experienced in these matters.
16:19<Aaron2>what file do I change those in
16:20<jchen>should be /etc/apache2/apache2.conf, but depends on your distro
16:20<Aaron2>yeah, got it
16:22<Aaron2>thanks, it's working right now
16:22<Aaron2>im gonna hang out in here for when it inevitably goes down again
16:22<Aaron2>and thanks for that link, jchen
16:22<ghosticus>make yourself comfortable
16:23<eyepulp>Aaron2: what's the reddit url?
16:23<ghosticus>so we may help bring down your site
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16:29<ghosticus>site seems snappy
16:31<kyhwana>yeah, seems OK to me
16:32<Aaron2>yep I think that worked
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16:50<DrJ>is there anyway to disable lish ssh access to our server?
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16:52<dwfreed>DrJ: why would you want to do that?
16:53<DrJ>cause I keep my ssh locked down with two factor auth
16:53<DrJ>and this in a way defeats that
16:53<dwfreed>make your two-factor auth apply to console login as well
16:57<kyhwana>DrJ: so, what happens if your sshd dies?
16:57<kyhwana>also, what dwfreed said
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17:02<blarghduino>i d like to have a raspberry pi send email, using the exim setup on my linode
17:02<blarghduino>i m sort of lost. thinking i should redo the configuration setup to relay mail?
17:03<kyhwana>blarghduino: uh, you don't want an open relay. Ideally configure it so it requires a login to send email?
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17:03<dwfreed>ssh tunnel + send-only exim on localhost == profix
17:03<dwfreed>profit, rather
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17:05<blarghduino>hadn t thought of using ssh
17:05<blarghduino>although, now that i think about it, this might be out of my range
17:06<blarghduino>kyhwana: so relay is not what i want. i d either want to set up a mail user in exim or ssh in and send it from localhost
17:07<blarghduino>dwfreed: i m a noob, can you help me wrap my head around what i d like to do
17:07<blarghduino>i d like to have a python script open up an ssh connection and then send the mail...
17:08<blarghduino>does that sound like the efficent and easy way to do it?
17:08<blarghduino>or should it be triggering a python script on the linode?
17:08<dwfreed>use autossh to just keep the ssh tunnel alive
17:10<dwfreed>iirc, send-only exim listens on localhost port 25; you can use an SSH tunnel to make this available on your pi port 25 (ssh has to be root, but that's no big deal on the pi), and then use sendmail to send mail off to exim
17:11<blarghduino>dwfreed: thanks. gonna go bang my head against that for awhile
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17:14<blarghduino>thanks dwfreed
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17:21<staticsafe>dwfreed: or set up a VPN :)
17:21<dwfreed>staticsafe: SSH tunnel is easier
17:22<staticsafe>dwfreed: VPN is more fun though :P
17:23<staticsafe>i mentioned it because I use a VPN to go through my home NAT to my rpi
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17:31<blarghduino>yeah, i tried to get vpn set up
17:31<blarghduino>but i couldn t figure out openvpn
17:31<tubaguy50035>what distro?
17:32<tubaguy50035>Did you follow this?
17:32<dwfreed>there's also guides in the Linode Library
17:32<dwfreed>!library OpenVPN
17:32<linbot>dwfreed: 1. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on CentOS 6 - | 2. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Secure Communications with OpenVPN on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
17:32<tubaguy50035>The problem with the OpenVPN guides in the library is they're not as up to date as the Ubuntu one is
17:32<blarghduino>i also couldn t get exmi working, which i figured out today. so maybe i ll be able to get openvpn working now
17:33<blarghduino>sometimes it seems i have to just let something percolate in my brain and come back to it
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18:04<arun>Question for linode folks
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18:05<Guest4153>On the home page its mentioned 2x,4x etc cpu priorities but on faq page, its mentioned that same type of linodes are hosted on a physical machines?
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18:12<imMute>Guest2346: the VMs on a single physical machine are all the same type - meaning if you have a '512', then the other guests on your physical machine are all '512's as well
18:12<ghosticus>he's gone
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18:23<DrJ>kyhwana: I would go back and turn lish back on then
18:24<DrJ>I'm comfy with that because I have the linode control panel restricted to my IP
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18:27<DrJ>lish is great, but you should be able to block it
18:28<dwfreed>clear the ssh keys, and set the password to something completely random
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18:31<kyhwana>there, done. hmm
18:32<atrus>DrJ: I suppose you could just block all console logins. that's really what lish is.
18:32<dwfreed>atrus: lish is more than that
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18:39<trippeh>Ajax lish is still broken on ALL my computers regardless of platform and network :(
18:39<trippeh>plz fix for ipv6
18:39<kyhwana>yeah, ajax lish sucks
18:39<trippeh>Invalid Session
18:39<trippeh>Session closed.
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18:42<seanh-ansca1>can you do piped logs in nginx like you can in apache2?
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18:42<trippeh>If you cant make it work for v6, plz remove whatever AAAA record it is using
18:43<ghosticus>sean: i don't think you can unless you're running a patched version
18:43<trippeh>Or maybe that is the problem hmm, session linked to IP and all
18:43<sean>ghosticus: i was getting that feeling, but searches were a bit inconclusive
18:44<ghosticus>sean: i think there's a version with it, lemme look
18:44<sean>i'm just plaing around with something at the moment. so too much work will cause me to not do it :-p
18:44<ghosticus>probably is :P
18:45<dwfreed>you can write to a pipe the same way you can write to a file, though seeking may fail (which might be the problem)
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18:45<sean>is this by the lua nginx guy. i think he worked for taobao originally...
18:45<ghosticus>i think so
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18:48<dwfreed>sean: try replacing your access log with a named pipe (mkfifo), and start up 'tail -F /path/to/access.log' followed by nginx; then try to hit your site and see if it shows up in your tail
18:49<dwfreed>keep in mind that pipes have limited buffer space, so the application at the other end needs to continually monitor for new stuff
18:49<sean>that shouldn't be an issue
18:50<sean>i'll give it a whirl
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18:54<sean>that seems to work
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18:54<sean>certainly well enough for a quick proof of concept hack anyway
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19:18<Bdragon>speaking of pipe buffers, mbuffer and pv are both interesting tools for working around the blockingness of pipes
19:19<Bdragon>and for measuring data flow
19:21<sean>pv is awesome
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19:59<vegardx>Google thinks I'm not connected to the Internet because some of their applications cannot access google servers.
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20:11<linbot>New news from forum: Drupal 7 Updates require I need to be running ftpd? in General Discussion <>
20:12<retro|blah>vegardx: Not surprising that it would be checking connectivity to Google servers :O
20:13<KyleYankan>that's just like, your opinion man
20:15<KyleYankan>sorry, I might have just watched the big lebowski. it's a problem..... for everyone around me
20:23<seanh-ansca>a white russian sounds pretty good right now
20:24<ghosticus>it is past 5 here
20:24<seanh-ansca>here too
20:25<ghosticus>knock yourself out
20:25<seanh-ansca>unfortunately all i have is corona and a handle of rum… (still at the office)
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20:59<linbot>kyhwana: Now 0% full (some time remaining). Last emptied Wednesday, December 12, last full recently after running for unknown.
20:59<kyhwana>bad HoopyCat
21:00<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
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21:00<HoopyCat>dew point of -2, indoor temperature of 15
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21:05<gadams>What size linode for running Varnish/Ngnix SSL Endpoint for 1k concurrent users would you recommend?
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21:05<dwfreed>that depends on a lot of factors
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21:06<HoopyCat>gadams: probably multiple 512s
21:06<dwfreed>best suggestion: start with a 512, and resize or scale horizontally if it can't handle it
21:06<gadams>Sorry that's just the load balancer
21:07<gadams>I was going to do 6-8 1GB's for Web and 2x4GB for FS/DB
21:07<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:07<gadams>PHP Application with Cake
21:07<dwfreed>if it's just load balancing, then a 512 should work just fine
21:07<HoopyCat>parse error HA-9481: expected "one of" before "the load balancer"
21:07<dwfreed>yes, you'll want 2 for high availability
21:08<dwfreed>s/want/& at least/
21:08<gadams>Yeah, just 1k concurrent users makes me nervous since they've ruled out AWS for 'variable price'
21:08<vegardx>What about node balancer?
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21:08<gadams>vegardx: GOOD POINT
21:08<dwfreed>vegardx: he wants SSL termination, by the sounds of it
21:09<dwfreed>and also varnish
21:09<HoopyCat>vegardx: SSL gets awkward without pulling some other tricks
21:09<vegardx>yeah, i know
21:09<vegardx>You need to terminate it in from of varnish and whatnot
21:09<vegardx>You might want to look into something where you can get external entropy.
21:09<dwfreed>entropy shouldn't be an issue
21:10<shriphan`>Hi. I have a question about apache rewrite rules. I have a webserver running on http://localhost:8080/servlets/standalone.rkt (on my linode). I want to send to http://localhost:8080/servlets/standalone.rkt. This is my htaccess file (placed in public/ ) : but I can't seem to accomplish what I want. Can someone help me debug this issue ? Thanks.
21:10<gadams>It's the user count I'm worried about
21:10<kyhwana>entropy is always an issue
21:10<vegardx>dwfreed: oh? I've never had any experience with it, but as far as I've read when you use SSL on a lot of users, entropy becomes a problem
21:10<vegardx>gadams: If they have 1k concurrent users, they probably have 10-20k on peak hours?
21:11<HoopyCat>gadams: "users" isn't a concept that is useful for load planning without some way to map it to something else, like concurrent connections or connections/second or requests/second
21:11<gadams>concurrent connections
21:11<gadams>It's a PHP based web training simulator so they'll probably be a request every 1~3 minutes
21:12<gadams>vegardx: the client is hoping for 30k peak
21:12<vegardx>Build it for easy scaling then. Should be fairly easy on linode.
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21:13<HoopyCat>gadams: so, assuming ~5 seconds per request (i.e. pretty shitty), 120 seconds between requests, and 30k users, that's... 1250 connections? if i'm doing my math right?
21:13<HoopyCat>gadams: plausible
21:14<gadams>Hobbsee: plausible
21:14<gadams>err HoopyCat
21:14*gadams facepalm
21:16<HoopyCat>gadams: worth noting is that many^[citation needed] web servers/browsers will cache ssl initialization fu
21:16<vegardx>shriphan`: Rewrite /rblog/foo http://localhost:8080/servlets/standalone.rkt
21:16<vegardx>Err, might be Redirect, not Rewrite
21:16<dwfreed>you need to proxypass, unless the 8080 server is listening globally
21:17<gadams>HoopyCat: Correct/Understood
21:17<vegardx>dwfreed: Ah, ofcourse. I just guessed that it was placebo data. :)
21:17<HoopyCat>gadams: so, i wouldn't panic TOO much about ssl load
21:17<vegardx>But the servlets-part makes me think it's not...
21:18<gadams>I was more worried about the number of connections. I'm not sure what size linode to really use
21:18<vegardx>Try with one too big, then scale down?
21:18<HoopyCat>gadams: more than one, certainly. varnish is the only thing that'd care about size, probably
21:18<dwfreed>vegardx: contrary to popular belief, servlet containers are capable of listening on localhost only
21:18<tubaguy50035>or transition traffic slowly with DNS
21:19<gadams>When I had to do Varnish + Ngnix SSL for 2k concurrent connections I had to utilize m2.xl on AWS (68GB of Ram)
21:19<vegardx>dwfreed: I've steered away from anything with the name "servelet" :p
21:19<tubaguy50035>gadams: you're currently only on one server?
21:19<HoopyCat>gadams: jesus h. mother of christ-dingles, batman
21:20<dwfreed>gadams: sounds like you need to tweak your varnish config...
21:20<HoopyCat>gadams: what was it starving on?
21:20<vegardx>Varnish has nothing to do with SSL, dwfreed
21:20<gadams>tubaguy50035: Oh no, that was the load balancer
21:20<dwfreed>vegardx: I know this, but I'm quite sure nginx + SSL wasn't taking 68 GB of ram
21:20<gadams>I had 64 web heads and 12 db master/slave pairs
21:21<tubaguy50035>holy crap dude
21:21<vegardx>dwfreed: varnish will use whatever you give it, so unless you've mistakenly given it 90% of your ram, it should be doing as told.
21:21<gadams>tubaguy50035: 2k concurrent SSL and 6.5k nonssl connections
21:21<tubaguy50035>I kinda just got here, are you looking to move this to Linode but currently all on AWS?
21:23<HoopyCat>gadams: if you were to have resized that instance down one notch, what resource would it have been lacking? RAM, CPU, storage, disk I/O, network I/O...?
21:26<gadams>tubaguy50035: I'm in a dev environment for a completely different PHP Training application. 1k concurrent ssl connections, 1 req 1~3 minutes per connection. AWS has been denied by client for 'variable' price.
21:26<gadams>I was just curious what size linode I should use for a load balancer
21:26<HoopyCat>strangely, i denied AWS for having variable performance :-)
21:27<tubaguy50035>I would take the advice of others, start large, scale down if you don't need i
21:27<HoopyCat>gadams: if you're CPU-bound, changing linode size won't likely matter; gotta scale that horizontally. but you know varnish's RAM usage habits better than i do...
21:27<gadams>HoopyCat: I was going to replication to US-West and EU-Ireland using tungsten
21:27<gadams>varnish = NOM ALL THE RAM
21:28<HoopyCat>gadams: (will varnish do anything useful for you, anyway, if it's as dynamic as it sounds?)
21:28<gadams>It'll cache a lot of the public assets
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21:28<gadams>the avatars per user are 4MB and each page load is ~7MB on AVG
21:29<tubaguy50035>Would MariaDB's multi-master with global ID's (i.e. version 10) not work better than tungsten?
21:29<gadams>I haven't found out if CakePHP natively supports multi-master
21:29<HoopyCat>gadams: [insert discussion of how this would be handled in any sensible non-PHP framework]
21:30<vegardx>gadams: Couldn't you extract the public assets to another server?
21:30<gadams>HoopyCat: I'm just the sysadmin not the developer.
21:30<HoopyCat>gadams: nod
21:30<@mikegrb>mmm cake
21:30<tubaguy50035>gadams: but cake doesn't join properly :(
21:30<gadams>They tell me they want shit to fly like a USAF F15 I make it happen.
21:31<gadams>Even if it is a C17 Globe Trotter
21:31<HoopyCat>PHP is expensive to serve well at scale
21:31<vegardx>I hope you're using some sort of config management, so you can easily scale up/down. Or you know - you have to restore from a total crash.
21:31<tubaguy50035>Why do you care if CakePHP supports multi-master? Why not just have different DB settings in each location?
21:31<gadams>vegardx: saltstack
21:32<gadams>tubaguy50035: what about user data being synched correctly without error or am I herpderpin'?
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21:32<tubaguy50035>well that's what the global ID's should do. MariaDB version 10 supports it.
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21:40<gadams>...smilen hasgot to figure out whether their coming or going.
21:40<tubaguy50035>the best part is that he quits, and rejoins with the "_" and then renames himself lol
21:41<gadams>tubaguy50035: thanks for the heads up about MariaDB
21:41<tubaguy50035>hey, no problem. If you haven't checked it out you totally should. You should notice a performance increase on average over MySQL.
21:41<gadams>I was going to using Percona
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21:43<gadams>brb, time for dinner and back to office.
21:43<tubaguy50035>chesty: logtail is working wonderfully! :)
21:44<chesty>ty, wait for my new release next month, it add twitter support
21:45<tubaguy50035>whaa whaa whaa why?
21:45<chesty>software isn't complete until it has twitter support, ask HoopyCat
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21:47<tubaguy50035>... where do those stats come from? Note: I went to the IRC wiki page and did not see that command haha
21:47<dwfreed>that's HoopyCat's dehumidifier
21:48<HoopyCat>dank basement air -> dehumidifier -> tank -> homebrew sensor -> arduino -> python -> munin -> rrdtool -> python -> nginx -> supybot
21:48<HoopyCat>-> you
21:49<chesty>where's twitter?
21:49<HoopyCat>chesty: there is a munin -> python -> twitter path
21:51<@wblew>^^ Mupy
21:51<chesty>tubaguy50035: have you handled the logrotate case?
21:51<@meskarune>HoopyCat: you need moar levels of obscurity to be really 133T
21:51<tubaguy50035>chesty: Not really. Right now Apache just writes and writes to a single file.
21:51<@wblew>nagibot -> Java - irc -> twitter
21:51<chesty>HoopyCat: I suggest you ask amitz about adding a SOAP interface
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21:52<chesty>tubaguy50035: set up logrotate with post and pre rotate hooks to do the right thing, you won't miss a line then
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21:53<chesty>pre you run logtail, post you hup apache
21:53<HoopyCat>meskarune: it works out reasonably well, insofar as tweeting from a munin plugin can work reasonably well
21:54<tubaguy50035>chesty: Wonderful. Didn't know that was an option. Will probably want to remove the offset file on post as well... right?
21:54<dwfreed>HoopyCat: so, not at all?
21:54<chesty>tubaguy50035: I think it detects a log rotate automagically, but you'll need to test
21:54<amitz>did someone mention ENTERPRISE?
21:55<HoopyCat>dwfreed: it's a constant battle against twitter's terms and conditions for third-party clients
21:55<dwfreed>HoopyCat: that and their terrible infra
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21:56<HoopyCat>dwfreed: that part's not too bad, really
21:56<HoopyCat>dwfreed: i rarely miss nowadays
21:56<@meskarune>it is open source, and pushes updates to twitter
21:56<tubaguy50035>chesty: Why do I want to HUP apache? Doesn't that kill off children currently processing?
21:56<HoopyCat>dwfreed: that said, i had to turn it off in october because something broke
21:57<HoopyCat>dwfreed: (and it's also winter, so the tank doesn't really fill any more)
21:57<dwfreed>HoopyCat: I set up twirssi, which updates every 5 minutes; it does its twitter grabbing in the background, and allows up to 2 minutes for the pulling to finish; _every single update pass timed out_
21:57<HoopyCat>meskarune: perhaps for the next shiteration
21:57<HoopyCat>dwfreed: weird, i run twirssi and everything's been fine here for $LONGTIME
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21:59<chesty>tubaguy50035: look at /etc/logrotate.d/apache2 my one does a reload, it tells it to reopen log files, it doesn't disconnect any sessions
21:59<dwfreed>HoopyCat: did I mention how much I hate perl and packages? to get Net::Twitter, I had to install 60 some CPAN modules
21:59<HoopyCat> is still my favorite twitter-related fix, tho
21:59<HoopyCat>dwfreed: yeah, it's ass.
22:00<HoopyCat>dwfreed: it's like someone automated how we lived 20 years ago
22:00<dwfreed>more fun stuff: there's no way to uninstall CPAN modules with cpan or cpanm
22:01<dwfreed>I'm really tempted to rm -rf my cpan local dir, and then redo it
22:03<HoopyCat>i'm really tempted to go to sleep
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22:04<chesty>HoopyCat: sia i go to sleep (the version with russian writing)
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22:29<tubaguy50035>Is there any way to get more information on what's happening on my physical host? This morning one of the physical hosts I'm on had to be rebooted, just curious what the issue was.
22:30<kyhwana>tubaguy50035: not really, you could try submitting a ticket
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22:30<tubaguy50035>I did :/ they were pretty standoffish
22:31<chesty>tubaguy50035: that's the norm with linode
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22:31<chesty>they are tighter that an frogs bum
22:31<tubaguy50035>Is there a reason for that? Or they just don't care to give away much detail about their infrastructure?
22:32<chesty>it's a business decision, they believe it makes them more competitive
22:32<tubaguy50035>That's unfortuanate. I like Linode cause I feel like they're the most open... but they're still not haha
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22:34<dzho>see, I thought their competitive advantage was all the urmom jokes
22:35<chesty>in the end, it doesn't really matter why a host dies, if it happens again, ask to be moved to a different host
22:36<tubaguy50035>well it didn't die necessarily. It needed to be rebooted for whatever reason. But again, just curious.
22:37<tubaguy50035>looking at /etc/logrotate.d/apache2, looks like it does a reload. So are you saying the the HUP command calls that rotate?
22:37<tubaguy50035>that the*
22:38<gadams>Mac N' Cheese, so delicious.
22:39<chesty>tubaguy50035: do a reload, I thought that's what logrotate did be default, but ti doesn't
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22:40<tubaguy50035>so just add my postrotate commands to that script?
22:41<chesty>in prerotate you want to logtail
22:42<chesty>oh, mine already has a prerotate thing, run-parts /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate; so just add a file to /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate if you have it
22:43<chesty>it looks like I run awstats from /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate/awstats
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22:48<tubaguy50035>I thought it would be nice to have the logging command in each vhost. I was wrong.
22:48<chesty>that's how most people do it
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22:55<tubaguy50035>and if I don't want to reload apache, add copytruncate? Or do I want the reload?
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23:00<chesty>google what a effect a graceful has, visitors won't notice anything
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23:07<tubaguy50035>for the sake of testing, can I remove the "weekly" parameter from logrotate? Will that force it to rotate every time it is run?
23:09<tubaguy50035>nvm, that didn't work
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23:16<gadams>I'm doing a 3 choice price quote and using "Cheap | Recommended | Extreme" what are some other good words instead of those three?
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23:16<chesty>are these for personal massagers?
23:17<gadams>It's an internal memo
23:17<dwfreed>gadams: 'good, fast, cheap; pick any two'
23:17<kyhwana>for personal massagers?
23:17<gadams>They know that dwfreed :-P
23:17<ghosticus>internal massagers
23:17<dwfreed>gadams: doesn't make it any less valid
23:25<Turl>gadams: cheap price | my choice if I were you | high quality
23:27<gadams>Turl: Sold
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23:29<gadams>Wow Yelp!
23:29<ghosticus>Yelp it
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23:50<tubaguy50035>I have a service set up in Nagios to check if our websites are up every (what I had hoped) was two minutes. I set "normal_check_interval" to "2". I see in my Apache logging that Nagios is checking it at weird intervals, stuff like (22:35:11, 22:35:52, 22:37:11, 22:37:52). Any thoughts?
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23:52<kyhwana>tubaguy50035: nagios is iffy like that
23:52<dwfreed>but that's technically not wrong :)
23:53<dwfreed>it's checking at least every 2 minutes
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23:56<chesty>it's doing 2 checks every 2 minutes
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23:57<tubaguy50035>right... and I don't know why :D
23:58<staticsafe>check interval is 2 minutes
23:58<staticsafe>but how many checks in that interval?
23:58<tubaguy50035>I only need 1 check every 2 minutes
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.91673671, 0.39456271) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 434810 of 553351 (π ≈ 3.143104467146531 - 0.001511813556738). http://π
23:59<chesty>if you've configure 2 checks every 2 minutes, and it's doing 2 checks every 2 minutes, I don't see the problem
23:59<tubaguy50035>no, I haven't configured two checks every two minutes
23:59<tubaguy50035>All I told it was every 2 minutes.
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