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---Logopened Thu Jan 17 00:00:04 2013
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00:05<XReaper>EugeneKay: one of them cancelled on you?
00:06<EugeneKay>I have no idea
00:06<EugeneKay>Also, KyleXYth
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00:08<lakridserne>or good morning :)
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00:31<pronto>Oops! Google Chrome could not find
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00:34<Nivex>pronto: enable IPv6
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00:34<Nivex>kjotte@daedalus:~$ host
00:34<Nivex> has IPv6 address 2600:3c03::13:3142
00:34<pronto>Nivex: ah
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00:46<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <>
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00:58<linbot>New news from forum: Strange directory structure, need answers in General Discussion <>
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01:09<linbot>New news from forum: Strange directory structure, need answers in General Discussion <>
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01:15<kuzetsa>re: pi thinger / ipv6 ---> sadly, my ISP still doesn't route ipv6 :(
01:16<Nivex>kuzetsa: tunnel?
01:16<kuzetsa>Nivex: I don't have a tunnel broker... plus, wouldn't such things be single point of failre / route all the traffic through said tunnel broker? I really don't know how that would work / been afraid of any non-native ipv6 methods.
01:17<Nivex>kuzetsa: in theory, yes, but I'd much rather have some connectivity than none at all. It will tide me over until I can get native.
01:18<kuzetsa>nah, I'll just wait.
01:18<Nivex>of course there's the crazy-idea-department: get some PI space and do 2+ BGP tunnels with HE
01:19<Nivex>that runs into money though :)
01:20<trippeh>ISP not doing ipv6, in 2013?
01:20<Nivex>trippeh: I know! It makes me sad too.
01:20<trippeh>Even my mom has native IPv6, jeez.
01:21<trippeh>polarbear(not really)-land
01:22<kuzetsa>trippeh: yes. and of all the stupid things, yesterday morning someone from my ISP's sales department called offering me a bundle with phone & TV, even though I don't own a TV & get better rates with my mobile phone provider...
01:23<kuzetsa>... the sales person didn't even know that an upgrade to my internet package wasn't available because the local nodes aren't docsis 3.0 yet (and she didn't even know what docsis was -- I pointed out that I talked to one of my ISP's techs less than a month ago about it)
01:24<trippeh>docsis networks not doing docsis 3.0, in 2013? :)
01:24<kuzetsa>eh, what can I say --- it's time warner / roadrunner (and their world ipv6 day test was a joke & only managed to work for 1% of customers)
01:24<kuzetsa>trippeh: apparently not. Still on docsis 2.0
01:25<kuzetsa>time warner / roadrunner markets with more customers already have dosis 3.0 but mine doesn't
01:28<trippeh>Still a crapload of 2.0 modems around here. But I'm not aware of any network that dont speak 3.0, in the entire country
01:29<trippeh>All the major operators are offering 100+ downstream speeds on every network nationwide
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01:32<kuzetsa>trippeh: yeah well... I'm out in the middle of nowhere in a town with less than 50k people (NY state) and we only get 20/2 (megabit, up/down) on docsis 2.0 still with no ipv6
01:32<kuzetsa>and buffalo, NY is only slightly closer than toronto (ontario canada)
01:33<trippeh>This is norway, pretty much the definition of middle of nowhere :P
01:33<trippeh>50k is largish city.
01:34<kuzetsa>AFK / BBL -- resetting the equipment I just reprovisioned (unrelated to ipv6)
01:38<trippeh>Interestingly enough they manage to offer this without weird DPI QoS tricks, throttling or caps, and still make money ;)
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02:15*lakridserne go to read the thread on the forum about the new linode competitor
02:25<linbot>New news from forum: Inactive server instances in Sales Questions and Answers <>
02:36<linbot>New news from forum: Sudden increase in CPU Usage in Performance and Tuning <>
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02:49<lakridserne>Question: If I get an IPv6 block could I route it to any Linode I want?
02:49<dcraig>probably not in another datacenter
02:49<lakridserne>then in the same dc?
02:49<lakridserne>And not the whole network, but giving each linode their own address
02:50<dcraig>I think so
02:50<lakridserne>or addresses
02:51<lakridserne>Okay, I just thought that that /64 was assigned to that Linode, and you couldn't assign specific addresses to specific Linodes
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02:55<lakridserne>dcraig: I believe I got told that these informations where outdated in here when I was here last and got assigned a /64 - that they only gave out /64 and /56 - not just 4096 addresses - though I could be wrong
02:57<chesty>the 4096 address can be brought up on any linode you own in the same DC, you can route a /56 or /64 to a 4096
02:59<lakridserne>chesty: As far as I remember they said that they ddin't give out 4096 IPs more - only the larger allocations with /64 and /56
02:59<linbot>New news from forum: Sudden increase in CPU Usage in Performance and Tuning <>
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03:11<linbot>New news from forum: Sudden increase in CPU Usage in Performance and Tuning <>
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03:27<EugeneKay>lakridserne - nope; you get a pool of 4096 to bring up "on link", and you can also have a /56 or /64 routed TO one of your addresses.
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03:30<lakridserne>EugeneKay: Oka
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03:53<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <>
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04:23<io_>hi is it possible to use Apache both as server and as reverse proxy, for example to route a domain to Varnish with proxypass and then get Apache to serve Varnish for that domain?
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04:37<kyhwana>on different ports, possibly
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04:39<linbot>New news from forum: php-fpm memory issues / 504 Gateway Time-out in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
04:44<io_>so for example i have Apache2 on port 80 to serve all my domains and also on port 8080, then I have Varnish on port 8081. For one domain I use proxypass to forward it to port 8081 and set Varnish to use 8080 as backend ...
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05:30<eagles0513875>lakridserne: poke
05:30<lakridserne>eagles0513875: yes
05:31<eagles0513875>lakridserne: im here im there im everywhere :p
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05:52<lakridserne>eagles0513875: entertain me
05:54*lakridserne is bored
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05:59<eagles0513875>lakridserne: got somethign interestign for you
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05:59<lakridserne>eagles0513875: thanks
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06:01<eagles0513875>have that on my to setup list
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07:11<igufi>I'm running Ubuntu 10.04 LTS and after a reboot I'm having trouble logging into the linode box via ssh. I get the following error: socket: Address family not supported by protocol. I can get around this if I use the ip-address of the box instead of the fqdn.
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07:13<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
07:14<igufi>I did manage to log in, but only by using the ip-address of the box, not via the fqdn
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07:14<supine>igufi: the fqdn has both ipv6 and ipv4?
07:14<supine>and you have both locally?
07:14<igufi>now, the box had a uptime of 229d and the ssh worked fine with fqdn until the reboot
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07:15<igufi>supine: that I'm not sure. They should be in the host file, es
07:15<supine>if you pass the -4 flag to ssh and the fqdn does it work?
07:17<igufi>I have to test that later - the only connection option I have at the moment is a ssh-gateway I have to use (I'm at work)
07:17<igufi>so I can't set any parameters
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07:19<supine>if it's open to world we could test it for you if you weren't so coy about the hostname :-)
07:19<igufi>so, my etc/hosts file has an entry for both the v4 and v6 address but I'm not sure if they are correctly formated. The host name for the box is kotilo and so the entry is " kotilo"
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07:20<igufi>should the local host name be included as a subdomain there? I don't have any dns entry for
07:20<supine>that looks fine
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07:22<igufi>supine did you try to connect to it?
07:23<supine>it's not in DNS, so there's not much point me testing it
07:23<supine>unless I also want to mess with my hosts file
07:23<igufi>? is on the dns
07:23<supine>I thought it was the full fqdn
07:23<supine>one sec
07:24<igufi>so the hosts entry on my end is incorrect, I should not have the subdomain included there
07:24<linbot>New news from forum: php-fpm memory issues / 504 Gateway Time-out in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
07:24<supine>works fine from a v4 only host
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07:24<supine>works fine over v6
07:25<supine>and also with v4 forced on a dual stack host
07:25<igufi>hmmmh, then the problem is with the ssh-gateway here, but I don't understand wht it could be
07:25<supine>so it's not the serer
07:25<igufi>can the ipv6 address cause issues?
07:26<supine>it's probably getting the aaaa record
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07:26<supine>and then can't use it
07:26<igufi>and it only triggered after I rebooted
07:26<supine>that bit I don't understand
07:26<supine>it should have always worked, or not worked
07:26<igufi>well, I may have modified the hosts file during those 229 days?
07:27<supine>but the ssh-gateway looks up the target in DNS again, no?
07:27<igufi>yes, you're right
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07:28<igufi>well, I can get around the issue by using the ip-address.
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07:30<igufi>But now the last issue, I've always been a bit confused on the right format for the hosts file, do i need to include the host name of the box as a subdomain for the domain name I have associated with the ip?
07:30<igufi>or does it matter?
07:30<lakridserne>If I have an SPF record - is the correct way to set it like this?
07:30<igufi>so if my box is calle abc, do I set the hosts file as "12
07:30<igufi> abc
07:31<lakridserne>v=spf1 +a +mx +ip4:IPv4 +ip6:IPv6 ?all
07:31<supine>so the machine can always find itself, even if DNS breaks
07:31<igufi>thank you.
07:32<squircle>lakridserne: just "v=spf1 +a +mx ?all"
07:32<lakridserne>squircle: Would I then not open it up to any server?
07:33<squircle>lakridserne: no, why? you're saying that the a and mx records are approved and to question everything else
07:33<squircle>lakridserne: you could change the ?all to ~all if you wanted to
07:33<hawk>or -all if you want to actually try to strictly enforce it
07:35<lakridserne>so why use IP addresses at all?
07:36<lakridserne>I mean specify them
07:36<squircle>lakridserne: if you want to specify IPs other than the a/mx records
07:36<lakridserne>ah so if I want to allow a server that is not delivered to?
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07:38<squircle>lakridserne: spf records are for when you send mail, not receive it
07:38<squircle>lakridserne: if you wanted to include another server that sends mail regularly, "v=spf1 +a +mx +ip4: ~all"
07:38<lakridserne>ah, and similarily for ipv6?
07:39<lakridserne>Great, thanks
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07:48<eagles0513875>hey lakridserne
07:50<lakridserne>eagles0513875: hey
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08:00<tobyx>hello :)
08:06<lakridserne>pronto: tobyx: hello
08:06<linbot>New news from forum: Haskell: 9.3 - (2 * 4.5) => 0.3000000000000007 in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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08:10<pronto> what .. , isn't that a firerisk?
08:11<eagles0513875>hello :)
08:11<pronto>hello again my friend
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08:14<pronto> hi
08:14<pronto>". Plastic insulation and coatings can have strained or glaring sonic attributes which are unnatural to the ear."
08:14<pronto>..they're good
08:15<eagles0513875>hey xixor
08:15<pronto>lmfao, i emailed that company they emailed me back with in 4 minutes
08:15<lakridserne>pronto: What company?
08:16<pronto> lakridserne this one
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08:22<linbot>New news from forum: Haskell: 9.3 - (2 * 4.5) => 0.3000000000000007 in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
08:22<pronto>...damnit linbot
08:23<lakridserne>pronto: linbot is sexy
08:23<lakridserne>I know you think that
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08:28<lakridserne>pronto: Yes I know you think that, but you don't want to admit it :)
08:28<eagles0513875>pronto: you italian
08:30<pronto>eagles0513875: i need your address to send you your prize
08:30<pronto>you're the 10,000,000,000 asshole to ask me that
08:30<pronto>eagles0513875: are you an eagle?
08:30<eagles0513875>only reason italian came into mind is that is how they answer the phone
08:30<pronto>but no, i'm brazilan
08:31<pronto>only reason eagle came into mind because you're so high you ask me things
08:32<lakridserne>only reason you both are here is because caker have not banned you yet
08:32<eagles0513875>lakridserne: im behaving
08:32<pronto>me to!
08:32<eagles0513875>lakridserne: stop sturring up trouble
08:32<pronto>(compartivly to myself on other channels)
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08:47<eagles0513875>god im driving the performance of this laptop into the ground with the webdesign application im using
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08:59<pronto> xD i should get this
09:02<KyleXY>eagles0513875: let me guess, dreamweaver?
09:03<eagles0513875>KyleXY: no actually artisteer
09:03<eagles0513875>really nice and easy in terms of makign template
09:03<eagles0513875>templates for various cms's
09:06<KyleXY>oh god, heh
09:06*lakridserne wants bacon
09:06*pronto wants celery
09:07*lakridserne wants bacon cake
09:07<KyleXY>mmm, celery and blue cheese
09:10<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
09:10<eagles0513875>i want bacon cake celery and blue cheese
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09:13<yaz>hi guys, how are you all?
09:14<yaz>What is the best way to send and receive mails? I have linode 512
09:14<yaz>with LAMP stack for hosting my website
09:14<XReaper>I'm good thanks :). Most common stack i've seen is postfix + dovecot...
09:15<eagles0513875>Yaakov: im hosting about 12 websites plus some version control repos and mail using postfix+dovecot
09:15<eagles0513875>on a 512 as well
09:15<XReaper>eagles0513875: you clearly mean yaz
09:15<eagles0513875>thansk XReaper
09:16<pronto>stfu XReaper
09:16<eagles0513875>wow i cant spell today
09:16<XReaper>!library postfix dovecot
09:16<linbot>XReaper: 1. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 2. Postfix, Dovecot, and System User Accounts on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) -
09:16<eagles0513875>pronto: that wasnt very nice
09:16<XReaper>hmm there are some newer ones there
09:16<eagles0513875>XReaper: i would recommend different documentation to get things goign on ubuntu
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09:16<eagles0513875>yaz: what distro are you using?
09:16<yaz>I still don't know how the Linode 512 handle my website, I have from 64 - 120 active users. And getting MySQL max connections error on shared hosting
09:17<eagles0513875>XReaper: i used the ubuntu ones for postfix and dovecot and i got it workign out of the box i sometimes feel things are missing on the linode documentation
09:17<eagles0513875>yaz: O-o that sounds like you need to tweak the mysql settings a bit
09:17<eagles0513875>yaz: let me get the documentation for you for 10.04 that i followed when i initially setup email on 10.04
09:17<XReaper> <-- that could help
09:18<yaz>Shared hosting don't show you much info. I am also getting CPU throttling with them a lot. So I am moving to Linode 512
09:18<XReaper>Mmm :)
09:18<XReaper>yaz: Enjoy your linode :)
09:18<XReaper>Much better than shared hosting
09:19<eagles0513875>yaz: are you trying to setup shared hosting so to speak cuz if you are then i know a good open source panel which is easy to setup on ubuntu
09:19<Yaakov> I KNOW I ENJOY MINE
09:19<pronto> if carpenteres were hired like programmers :D
09:19<yaz>the shared host aren't giving me lots of info.. Also lots of CPU throttling... so I am moving to linode 512
09:19<KyleXY>eagles0513875: gah, please don't
09:19<HoopyCat>if it's a "normal" HTTP application, the number of database connections (and instances of the application running on the server) should be much less than the number of "active users"
09:19<eagles0513875>KyleXY: its ispcp which is quite nice
09:20<KyleXY>eagles0513875: And that's not good at all
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09:20<eagles0513875>KyleXY: better then cpanel
09:20<KyleXY>it's had some security issues in the past,
09:20<eagles0513875>yaz: you got the links for how to setup postfix and dovecot?
09:20<KyleXY>You know what's better in general?
09:20<HoopyCat>if it's a "normal" HTTP application, the number of database connections (and instances of the application running on the server) should be much less than the number of "active users"
09:20<eagles0513875>KyleXY: nothing
09:20<KyleXY>How about learning to do it yourself.
09:20<KyleXY>eagles0513875: ^
09:20<eagles0513875>KyleXY: lol agreed and i already do alot of the website realted stuff with out that
09:21<KyleXY>eagles0513875: you're advocating people get stupid, rather than smart
09:21<yaz>I am trying to get your experience first. It's better to set up the mail server on the linode 512?
09:21<KyleXY>that's :/
09:21<KyleXY>yaz: unless you want to pay for google apps,
09:21<yaz>I'd like to know my options and thing it over
09:21<XReaper>yaz: you -could- get outlook domains...
09:21<XReaper>which is free
09:21<KyleXY>yaz: Google Apps is $5/user/month, and guarantees your email will basically always work
09:22<XReaper>Microsofts offering:
09:22<lakridserne>yaz: If you go for XReaper's suggestion, you'd depend on M$ (Microsoft)
09:22<HoopyCat>yaz: if you're doing mail for fun, running your own mail server is OK (albeit frustrating). if you're doing it for business... probably not a great use of manpower
09:22<eagles0513875>HoopyCat: then i did the wrong thing lol
09:22<eagles0513875>i setup my own mail server
09:22<XReaper>you 'setup' ey?
09:22*XReaper setups eagles0513875
09:23<KyleXY>!to eagles0513875 setu0
09:23<KyleXY>!to eagles0513875 setup
09:23<linbot>eagles0513875: setup is not a verb. Please see
09:23<yaz>no, it's business. Not that heavy mails though. 10 - 20 mails / day received
09:23<KyleXY>yaz: then I'd say go with M$ or Google
09:23<eagles0513875>lol grammer nazi KyleXY :p
09:23<Yaakov>Hosting control panels are not evil.
09:23<yaz>can I use my shared hosting email?
09:23<pronto> appently walmart uses github
09:23<Yaakov>I find the orthodoxy about that tiresome.
09:24<HoopyCat>yaz: most providers bill by the user, with some sort of quota for maximum disk usage, and some (rather high) limits to traffic that are tough for humans to exceed
09:24<KyleXY>Personally, I prefer Google,
09:24<KyleXY>But, just depends
09:24<yaz>I am on bluehost, and I have many email accounts that are active now. and I already paid for next year
09:25<lakridserne>I prefer Google - mostly because they offer you to search through *any* email you get...
09:25<KyleXY>yaz: you could always just shove email to them, and traffic to linode
09:25<KyleXY>since you already paid for it,
09:25<yaz>yes, that's what i am asking about - though i don't know how
09:25<HoopyCat>yaz: and yeah, you can keep your e-mail where it is now; it's inherently separate from HTTP traffic
09:25<XReaper>yaz: yeah, if you already have email hosting, keep it there :)
09:25<KyleXY>yaz: you set your A records to Linode, and your MX records to bluehost
09:25<yaz>so the linode would be the apache - php - mysql server, and the bludhost hosting for mail
09:25<XReaper>Yup :)
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09:26<HoopyCat>(it's a DNS thing... ->'s A records; ->'s MX records)
09:26<yaz>Isn't that a cheaper option than Google Apps? I think I have unlimited emails on bluehost
09:27<yaz>and it's like 7$ / month
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09:27<KyleXY>It's preference
09:27<KyleXY>I much much like the features Google Apps gives me
09:27<lakridserne>yaz: It might be cheaper, but I find that Google Apps give me more quality - for example in that I don't need to use as much time managing things @ Google Apps
09:28<yaz>yes, but for me I would prefer the unlimited / managed email accounts... spam filter,... etc
09:28<HoopyCat>yaz: if your mail is already there, that'd be a strong case to not move it. otherwise, comparing on price is difficult... i mean, there's a reason people buy volvos instead of chevrolets
09:28<lakridserne>yaz: I guess that comes down to preference
09:28<yaz>$5 / account might be a bit expensive if I expanded with lots of employees
09:29<KyleXY>assuming each employee needs an email, yeah
09:29<yaz>yes, my email is there and my website is currently hosted there
09:29<lakridserne>yaz: On the other hand, you'd pay for each employees wage - that's hardly anything then...
09:29<KyleXY>it's not unlimited mail, it's probably tied to your hosting quotas
09:29<HoopyCat>yaz: also, there's the "other stuff" (calendaring, shared contact lists, file shares, etc) that are really handy in biz environments
09:29<yaz>I was going to make a mail server then move everything. But after our conversation now, I think I'd keep the email at bluehost
09:30<HoopyCat>also, $5/mo is nothing when you consider how much company coffee i drink
09:30<KyleXY>yaz: -- they list some of the stuff they provide
09:30<yaz>we are a new company, trying to cut the bills :)
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09:30<lakridserne>yaz: You can do so, then once the current shared hosting expire you can reconsider
09:31<HoopyCat>nod, no need to change if there's no need to change :-)
09:31<yaz>I could terminate the contract and get back the payment. But still, I am thinking since everything is up and working fine, I don't have a problem with their email
09:31<yaz>but I have a problem with CPU throttling and MySQL max connections
09:31<KyleXY>I decided long ago that I didn't want to be dependant on shared hosting for anything
09:32<yaz>the website is very slow
09:32<XReaper>you can move the website etc to linode
09:32<XReaper>then tune it etc
09:32<HoopyCat>KyleXY: when i need shared hosting (which i sometimes do), is about the only provider i'd trust
09:32<lakridserne>KyleXY: BTW, BlueHost is unlimited. I personally prefer to know how much space I can use without getting shut down.
09:33<KyleXY>lakridserne: nobody is unlimited
09:33<XReaper>lakridserne: um, 'unlimited' if you hit a limit they will send you nasty emails
09:33<XReaper>and suggest you move elsewhere
09:33<yaz>hmmm, I never got any warning from them
09:33<lakridserne>KyleXY: XReaper: Exactly!
09:33<yaz>but i noticed it's getting real slow
09:33<lakridserne>KyleXY: XReaper: That was what I was saying
09:33<KyleXY>lakridserne: this is like DO's "Unlimited"
09:33<KyleXY>it might be "unlimited" but it's crap!
09:34<XReaper>yaz: probably too many sites on the one machine
09:34<XReaper>some hosts do that
09:34<yaz>no actually my website is kind of heavy .. also needs lots of tweaking.
09:34<KyleXY>lakridserne: and those are consistent,
09:35<KyleXY>lakridserne: those are from cachefly, heh
09:35<lakridserne>Believe me, I know exactly what overslling, overloading, and unlimited, etc. is all about.
09:35<yaz>but I would rather tweak it when it's on a strong machine,.. I still want to see how much CPU it will utilize from the Linode 512
09:35<lakridserne>I never go with unlimited providers and I hate they use these false marketing techniques'
09:36<KyleXY>lakridserne: It's a shame, I can download faster at my house on cable, ;/
09:36<HoopyCat>lakridserne: ... and that's why i <3 NFSN (and linode, for that matter)
09:37<yaz>are there any free fancy gauges for the server? CPU load, memory,... etc?
09:38<HoopyCat>yaz: munin for the long view, htop for the now view
09:38<KyleXY>yaz: no fancy graphs beyond what Linode shows you on the manager
09:39<yaz>i was thinking of stuff that move in real time
09:39<KyleXY>you can roll your own
09:39<yaz>guess that's hard to get
09:39<KyleXY>yaz: nothing that linode provides, you need to do it yourself
09:39<HoopyCat>htop moves in real time :-)
09:39<yaz>ok wait i will check htop
09:39<XReaper>might need to install it :)
09:40<XReaper>apt-get install htop
09:40<yaz>a terminal app?
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09:41<KyleXY>yaz: it's not graphs,
09:41<pronto>+5 for htop
09:41<pronto>htop are sexy
09:41<yaz>guys, after finishing up my server, I installed it on all my space. Should I have kept space to backup my installation?
09:41<KyleXY>yaz: enable backups
09:41<linbot>Backup is not a verb. Please see
09:41<linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use the Linode Backup Service:
09:42<KyleXY>yaz: ^
09:42<pronto>also, if you like red: i mucked about with htop's source , and made it red
09:42<KyleXY>it's 5 dollars a month for the 512 plan, but it'll probably save your ass one day.
09:42<KyleXY>You get one manual snapshot, and the rest are automated
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09:43<yaz>it has many restore points or just 1?
09:43<@akerl>yaz: 3 automatically rotated snapshots and one manually-initiated snapshot slot that lasts until you take a new manual snapshot
09:43<yaz>thank you
09:44<@akerl>The automatically rotated ones are 1 daily, one weekly from 2-7 days ago, and a second weekly from 8-14 days ago
09:44<KyleXY>These are done while the machine is running, but require you shutdown to restore it.
09:45<HoopyCat>you can restore to another linode in the same datacenter without shutting down the original one, fwiw
09:45<@akerl>KyleXY: You also don't need to shutdown to restore
09:45<KyleXY>akerl: Hmm?
09:45<KyleXY>I mean to the same linode
09:45<KyleXY>Not to another new linode, heh
09:45<@akerl>You need to reboot to attach the restored disk to the existing profile or to reboot into the restored profile, but the restoration itself can be done while the system is running
09:46<KyleXY>you know what I meant ;)
09:46<XReaper>as long as there is spare space :P
09:46<@akerl>Yes, but yaz could potentially have not :)
09:46<XReaper>i guess its a limitation of linodes xen set up that disk images can't be live attached
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09:47<XReaper>might just be a paravirt thing :/
09:47<yaz>does the Ubuntu 10.0.4 LTS update on its own? or I should run updates manually?
09:48<XReaper>you need to run them manually
09:48<XReaper>yaz: 12.04 LTS is out now
09:48<yaz>I don't know I installed the LAMP stack and this is what I got
09:49<XReaper>oh, ok
09:49<XReaper>you can dist-upgrade to 12.04
09:50<yaz>why is the LAMP stack on 10.0.4 not 12?
09:50<superdug>XReaper: to be fair to yaz, I still use 10.04LTS because the software is only supported in 10.04 still
09:50<XReaper>nobody updated the stackscript :)
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09:50<XReaper>superdug: oh? hmm
09:50<superdug>plus there's still a few years left in the support of 10.04
09:50<yaz>ok, so it's not wrong then?
09:50<yaz>how often do I check for updates?
09:51<XReaper>yaz: as often as possible :)
09:51<HoopyCat>if you're doing PHP stuff, i'd say 12.04 would be worth it for PHP-FPM
09:51<yaz>just an apache -php - Mysql hosting for my website
09:51<KyleXY>superdug: I showed you the 32vs64 ticket response, right?
09:52<HoopyCat>also, install "apticron" and it'll e-mail you daily if there are updates to apply. can also subscribe to ubuntu's security notification RSS feed thing
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09:52<superdug>KyleXY: no, but I'm sure it wasn't very technical
09:53<HoopyCat>KyleXY: a reasonable (and valid) reason, i'd say
09:54<KyleXY>HoopyCat: until you see their distros list
09:55<KyleXY>HoopyCat: desktop editions..
09:55<yaz>the "apt-get update" is enough for updating the system?
09:55<KyleXY>yaz: update and upgrade
09:55<KyleXY>yaz: `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade`
09:55<XReaper>KyleXY: Arch linux REQUIRES a custom compiled kernel for 32-bit operation
09:55<HoopyCat>KyleXY: that is amusing, tho
09:55<KyleXY>XReaper: they're QEMU
09:55<KyleXY>not xen, they install from ISOs for their images
09:55<XReaper>KyleXY: Oh, not paravirt? Hmm...
09:56<yaz>they will update all the sever components? i.e: apache, mysql and PHP?
09:56<KyleXY>yaz: yes
09:56<XReaper>yaz: yeah, update then upgrade :)
09:56<KyleXY>So I call bs
09:56<XReaper>yaz: also an occasional reboot is a good idea
09:57<yaz>the upgrade is for the next release?
09:57<XReaper>KyleXY: oh that 'new competitor!'
09:57<yaz>i.e from 10.04 to 12.04?
09:57<XReaper>yaz: nope, just upgrades 10.04's packages
09:57<XReaper>Hmm, does 12.04 have the upstart fix in it yet?
09:58<yaz>ok thank you
09:58<KyleXY>XReaper: the crap one at that
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09:58<KyleXY>XReaper: -- heh
09:58<yaz>so, since no one updated the LAMP stack, if I want to do the right thing, should deploy 12.04 and install apache, mysql, php myself?
09:59<KyleXY>yaz: not really required
09:59<pronto>so even though my user is in the group 'fuse' , i still get the 'fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied' for sshfs (trying to mount sshfs on the linode vps)
09:59<XReaper>yaz: keeping 10.04 could be good, 12.04 still has some unfixed bugs
09:59<yaz>using the LAMP stack was nice and easy
09:59<yaz>ok thanks
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10:00<KyleXY>XReaper: but their network is pitiful
10:00<XReaper>KyleXY: lol wow
10:00<KyleXY>XReaper: that's consistent too
10:00<XReaper>Where are they based?
10:00<KyleXY>new york or amsterdam
10:00<KyleXY>that's from new york
10:00<HoopyCat>"Dude, you didn't show him 'screen'?" "Dude! I just blew his mind with 'gdb'! One thing at a time..."
10:01<KyleXY>HoopyCat: heh
10:01<pronto>oh, and the distro is debain
10:01<KyleXY>the disk is nice, but it's giving me mixed results heh
10:01<XReaper>pronto: odd...
10:02*HoopyCat enjoys another exciting episode of "Who Wants To Show The EE How To Debug A Program?"
10:02<pronto>...okay is it normal for a linode to return nothing for lsmod?
10:02<XReaper>pronto: check if the kernel was compiled with fuse support? zgrep -i fuse /proc/config.gz
10:02<KyleXY>holy cow
10:02<XReaper>pronto: yup. paravirt
10:02<KyleXY>XReaper: I just ran it again,
10:02<KyleXY>XReaper: Download speed : (931KB/s)
10:02<XReaper>KyleXY: HOLY
10:02<XReaper>KyleXY: link to
10:02<HoopyCat>pronto: yes; the kernel has "everything" compiled in
10:03<XReaper>HoopyCat: but not btrfs...
10:03<KyleXY>XReaper: it's using cachefly
10:03<HoopyCat>XReaper: is it experimental?
10:03<XReaper>KyleXY: where to find it
10:03<XReaper>HoopyCat: hell yes
10:03<HoopyCat>XReaper: roll your own kernel, colonel
10:03<XReaper>HoopyCat: um, i do
10:04<XReaper>using a PKGBUILD off the arch AUR
10:04<HoopyCat>XReaper: problem solved
10:04<XReaper>i made it too big tho :/
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10:04<pronto>urgh, maybe i'll try a reboot
10:04<XReaper>shrinking will require storing a snapshot elsewhere :P
10:04<HoopyCat>pronto: whazzup? fuse ought to work...
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10:05<XReaper>he rebooted
10:05<KyleXY>XReaper: running it on various linodes works
10:05<KyleXY>XReaper: cachefly has a location in new york, and dallas
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10:07<pronto>that fixed it
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10:08<KyleXY>and packers are dropping...
10:08<KyleXY>packets* too
10:08<XReaper>digitalocean are noobs
10:08<KyleXY>level3, heh
10:09<XReaper>i like my crappy sydney provider
10:09<XReaper>same dc as aws :)
10:09<KyleXY>"For now we are somewhat limited, and we do not plan to have x32 bit Arch images any time in the near future."
10:09<pronto>also yay, irssi is indeed set up correctly
10:10*KyleXY wonders who the hell etel is and what her stance is in the business
10:10<XReaper>KyleXY: tell them to remove all the desktop templates...
10:10<KyleXY>Community Manager
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10:12<XReaper>Where is that forum thread?
10:13<KyleXY>it's not a forum thread
10:13<XReaper>There was one
10:13<KyleXY>that's, sadly, their support system
10:13<KyleXY>Oh the linode one
10:15<@heckman>well that got popular
10:15<XReaper>unlimited doesn't exist :(
10:15<KyleXY>No kidding
10:16<KyleXY>I've been tearing it apart for a bit now
10:16<XReaper>TPG in aus runs unlimited plans
10:16<KyleXY>Download speed : (931KB/s)
10:16<XReaper>the top few percent get nasty emails
10:16<XReaper>I read how they did it, nasty.
10:16<KyleXY>Unlimited, only because you'd never surpass a large amount with those crap speeds :/
10:16<XReaper>KyleXY: no, they are banking on the large percentage of users using a low amount of transit
10:17<@heckman>XReaper: not sure it can be compared, but a mobile carrier here in the US does that. They grandfathered the unlimited people in, but if you exceed 5GB you get a nastygram SMS and your speed is throttled.
10:17<XReaper>heckman: yeah
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10:18<XReaper>heckman: the original 'unlimited' adsl provider here nearly went bankrupt
10:18<XReaper>sadly you get what you pay for
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10:20<KyleXY>heckman: verizon?
10:20<@heckman>I know of AT&T doing it.
10:20<@heckman>I'm not 100% sure with VZW
10:20<KyleXY>I don't think verizon does it at 5gb
10:20<KyleXY>I surpass 5gb easily,
10:20<XReaper>My friend had a 40/unlim plan, got grandfathered over
10:20<XReaper>now has 100/unlim :/
10:20<HoopyCat>y'all fothermuckers need wifi
10:21<XReaper>i read that the way its supposed to be read.
10:21<KyleXY>comcast here is unreliable, heh
10:21<XReaper>tell me, does this site look legit?
10:22*KyleXY hides
10:23<staticsafe>ok guys, trying to get v6 with RA working on my home network, IPs are getting distributed but obviously my routes are wrong somewhere (HE tunnel) -
10:23<staticsafe>Mikrotik RouterOS btw
10:24<tubaguy50035>@heckman: KyleXY: Verizon is throtteling you over 5 gigs.
10:24<XReaper>KyleXY: Gov is rolling out fibre
10:24<HoopyCat>staticsafe: if i were home, i'd fling you my routeros config
10:24<XReaper>KyleXY: I don't have my hopes up
10:24<staticsafe>HoopyCat: cool
10:24<XReaper>Hey, didn't 128k dial-up or something exist
10:24<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: If throttling means I get throttled at my already existing speeds, so be it :p
10:25<HoopyCat>staticsafe: actually, if it comes down to it, e-mail me ( and i'll do so tonight
10:25<staticsafe>2001:470:1d:96b::/64 is my routed /64 and 2001:470:1c:96b::2/64 is my client IPv6 address
10:25<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: If you don't have LTE, you probably won't notice.
10:25<staticsafe>(btw v6 works fine on the router itself, just not hosts on the network)
10:25<KyleXY>I have LTE :p
10:25<XReaper>staticsafe: is your ipv4 static, or dynamic
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10:25<KyleXY>I notice no change in speeds, I do regular speedtests heh
10:26<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: if you're seeing the same speeds, then you are not going over 5 gigs.
10:26<HoopyCat>staticsafe: can you ping 2001:470:1c:96b::1 from the router? how does the routing table look on a client machine?
10:26<XReaper>I prefer OpenWRT
10:26<staticsafe>2001:470:1c:96b::1 56 64 22ms echo reply
10:26<XReaper>they are anal about making everything work
10:26<staticsafe>ok one sec getting route output from windows
10:27*KyleXY is confronting their community manager it seems
10:27<XReaper>KyleXY: must be small fry
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10:27<XReaper>probs like a 2 person outfit :P
10:27*tubaguy50035 used to be on Verizon and get throttled constantly
10:27<KyleXY>XReaper: she's listed on the about page, heh
10:27<HoopyCat>i'm on sprint 3G. can't tell if i'm throttled, or just on sprint 3G ;-)
10:28<XReaper>and to be frank, hosting on ssd's isn't economical
10:28<staticsafe> - this is my v6 routes on Windows HoopyCat
10:28<tubaguy50035>HoopyCat: That sucks.
10:28<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: I blame other circumstances, then
10:28<XReaper>HoopyCat: sprint doesn't offer LTE yet?
10:28<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: For me being throttled?
10:29<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: yeah
10:29<HoopyCat>XReaper: not in my market, yet
10:30<XReaper>HoopyCat: oh, so they're rolling it out
10:30<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: Nope. I would call support, "yeah we're throtteling you..." "Oh okay." *sad face*
10:30<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: Then sucks for you :p
10:30<XReaper>HoopyCat: just over here... LTE was rolled out long before it was enabled :P
10:30<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: Not anymore. I'm on ATT in Kansas City. I get 45+ Mbps
10:30<XReaper>yet the best provider is also the most expensive, by a large margin.
10:31*KyleXY coughs
10:31<KyleXY>45+ Mbps
10:31<KyleXY>good luck with that
10:31<XReaper>HoopyCat: tbqh i'm glad Telstra ditched CDMA... otherwise they'd just be another Verizon...
10:31<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: that's 5.625MB/s
10:31<HoopyCat>staticsafe: hmm. can you ping... fe80::d6ca:6dff:fe68:2f3d%12 from the windows machine? (it's a link local address, so %12 specifies interface 12)
10:31<KyleXY>No way in hell you're getting that
10:32<tubaguy50035>Let me get you a speed test :)
10:32<staticsafe>HoopyCat: yep i can ping that fine
10:32<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: then tell me if AT&T is the host of the speedtest servers, :)
10:32<XReaper>KyleXY: internal to linode i could pull 400MB/s into /dev/null
10:32<KyleXY>XReaper: he's saying 4GLTE
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10:32<tubaguy50035>Nope. Hosted by Total Highspeed Internet Services
10:32<XReaper>KyleXY: so enjoy your 'digital ocean'
10:32<KyleXY>that's a nasty trick ISPs will do, they'll host the speedtest servers
10:33<KyleXY>XReaper: makes them look faster
10:33<XReaper>Why so nasty? :P
10:33<HoopyCat>XReaper: they have launched it in some markets, but there's a lot of landscape to cover:
10:33<XReaper>bum. my isp sucks. when i move, gonna switch to a sub-isp :)
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10:34<XReaper>HoopyCat: well yeah, they only had to enable LTE in small parts of aus :P
10:34<HoopyCat>staticsafe: mmhmm. can you ping your side of the point-to-point /64 from the windows machine?
10:34<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: no, I want you to do :)
10:34<tubaguy50035>i... i did
10:34<KyleXY>I seriously doubt those speeds still :/
10:34<XReaper>HoopyCat: he did...
10:35<KyleXY>XReaper: he pasted a pastie at first, heh
10:35<XReaper>KyleXY: linked in it, was
10:35<KyleXY>Yeah I saw it
10:35<tubaguy50035>I don't have control to change the screen shot...
10:35<KyleXY>I doubt once he actually tries to use it it's that fast.
10:35<staticsafe>HoopyCat: you mean 2001:470:1c:96b::2, if so I can't ping that
10:35<tubaguy50035>You can talk to me directly...
10:36<XReaper>tubaguy50035: hi
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10:36<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: then do this for me:
10:36<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: tether to your computer, run the actual flash
10:36<XReaper>didn't see you there, tubaguy50035 ;)
10:36<HoopyCat>staticsafe: that's a data point. :-)
10:36<KyleXY>the android tests are odd
10:37<KyleXY>If they hold up, good I guess, you're in a good section for AT&T
10:37<tubaguy50035>Sadly, I do not have tethering
10:37<KyleXY>But when it comes to houston, and folks up in new york, that's not the case
10:37<XReaper>You... WHAT
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10:37<tubaguy50035>I have not rooted this yet
10:37<XReaper>oh, root the phone
10:38<XReaper>my phone came with everything enabled :)
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10:38<HoopyCat> is the alpha and the omega
10:38<XReaper>hmm.. whens the next nexus out
10:38<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: I never said this was "the norm". ATT has some special KC thing.
10:38<HoopyCat>we shall worship the speedtest, and we shall bow to its numerology
10:38<XReaper>going by statistics
10:39<XReaper>next nexus will be like $50
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10:39<HoopyCat>XReaper used inderpolation! It's super effective!
10:40<HoopyCat>staticsafe: i, unfortunately, must stfu&gbtw, but e-mail me and i'll e-mail back some config tonight
10:40<linbot>New news from forum: Haskell: 9.3 - (2 * 4.5) => 0.3000000000000007 in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <> || Sudden increase in CPU Usage in Performance and Tuning <>
10:41<staticsafe>HoopyCat: cool
10:41<tubaguy50035>I don't know if any of you are zunzun, but he's hilarious
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10:50<lehresman>anyone else having problems acccessing their linode externally?
10:50<lehresman>I am able to log in via the ajax shell, but cannot ping or ssh to it
10:50<lehresman>it just went unresponsive about 5 minutes ago
10:51<KyleXY>!to lehresman mtr
10:51<linbot>lehresman: mtr combines traceroute and ping into one easy-to-use tool, and it can be useful for determining the source of a problem. Download it from or for Windows. Generate an mtr report by running mtr -rn HOSTNAME. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using !mtr-CITY whre CITY is fremont, newark, dallas or tokyo.
10:51<KyleXY>mtr it, but nobody else has reported issues
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10:55<lehresman>thanks. it must just be local to me. I am able to access it from another server.
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11:04<lehresman>fwiw, linode just announced they're having issues with the Atlanta GA facility, so it isn't just me.
11:12<io_>so, after days of debugging i havent go to any point, php5-fpm overloads memory and/or is just slow at parsing pages. Php seems to be slow even when the memory is not overloaded
11:13<KyleXY>lehresman: dunno, I don't use atlanta because of the port filtering
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11:14<XReaper>io_: tune it
11:15<XReaper>io_: how many fpm workers do you have?
11:15<io_>i think i ve tried all different combination possible
11:15<XReaper>your app is the next step
11:15<Nivex>atlanta doesn't allow inbound IRC; what about outbound?
11:15<io_>drupal 7
11:15<XReaper>Nivex: that is allowed
11:15<XReaper>iirc they don't filter outbound
11:16<Nivex>cool. thanks
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11:17<io_>max_children 5 - max_spare_servers 4 - max_requests 200
11:18<XReaper>next step is to tune the app itself
11:18<hawk>XReaper, Nivex: Pretty sure it isn't allowed, regardless what they are actually filtering....
11:18<XReaper>hawk: ? i think they said just can't run servers
11:19<rnowak>read their aup, no need to think anything
11:19<hawk>XReaper, Nivex: iirc we were poking fun at their acceptable use policy some time back
11:19<rnowak>we did indeed, and it is hilarious
11:19<XReaper>oh :)
11:21<XReaper>Sites that are attacking in nature, specifically "sucks" types sites and sites that use others corporate names to promote them as sucking or use their corporate image / logo exactly or in slightly altered ways are expressly disallowed. <- lold
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11:37<avenj>oh man
11:37<avenj> Creating or forwarding "chain letters"
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11:44<KyleXY>and this is good reason to avoid atlanta
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12:37<KyleXY>This is gold,
12:37<KyleXY>They're convinced I should do a speedtest from inside their datacenter
12:37<KyleXY>except, can't even connect to that server.
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12:39<firesofmay>Hi, I am having an issue. My system is shut down. How Am I to boot it back?
12:39<firesofmay>It says " Your Linode is currently
12:39<KyleXY>firesofmay: check the manager, does it say it's powered off?
12:39<firesofmay>Powered Off"
12:39<KyleXY>then turn it on?
12:39<firesofmay>KyleXY, how?
12:39<dcraig>there might be a button that says "Boot"
12:39<mushroomed>firesofmay: Select the disc and Boot it
12:39<dcraig><-- look to the left
12:40<KyleXY>not disc, it's the Configuration Profile mushroomed
12:40<firesofmay>dcraig, nope there is no boot
12:40<KyleXY>firesofmay: see where it says reboot?
12:40<KyleXY>that's where the button you should push it
12:40<firesofmay>KyleXY, cant see it
12:40<KyleXY>firesofmay: take a screenshot of just that area?
12:40<firesofmay>KyleXY, okay wait
12:40<@akerl>firesofmay: Do you have a configuration profile?
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12:41<KyleXY>I think not
12:41<dcraig>maybe the screenshot will be a blank white image of where the button should be
12:41<firesofmay>akerl, okay config is missing
12:41<firesofmay>akerl, but i have been using this machine past few days.
12:41<firesofmay>last i did was reboot
12:42<KyleXY>you accidentally removed the config profile then
12:42<KyleXY>and I imagine lassie went "Wat to do?"
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12:43<firesofmay>KyleXY, I dont think so. So now how do I get it to boot back>
12:43<@akerl>Create a new profile?
12:43<firesofmay>akerl, will that keep all my data?
12:44<firesofmay>akerl, okay let me try.
12:46<@akerl>firesofmay: Can I PM you real fast?
12:47<firesofmay>akerl, sure
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12:51<mushroomed>KyleXY: Sure! My error
12:51<KyleXY>mushroomed: :p
12:52<firesofmay>Thanks everyone. Its up :)
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13:14<imMute>bastards, I had a > 200 day uptime until you guys moved my VM! :P
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13:20<auraka>why do you care...
13:21<imMute>I don't, I as just 1st world complaining ^_^
13:22<@qmr>I'm at 215, no remote exploits for my kernel. yet.
13:22<ghosticus>i should really reboot my linode, but i'll wait until it rains in fremont again
13:22<@akerl>s/no/no known/
13:23<ghosticus>Yaakov: even me?
13:23*imMute still needs to upgrade Arch >.> I'm running an older version that I can't upgrade using pacman because of the /usr change
13:23<Yaakov>Especially you.
13:23<@qmr>Yaakov: can you teach linbot to love?
13:23<@akerl>imMute: ?
13:23<Yaakov>linbot isn't a person.
13:24<@akerl>pacman can handle that, you just need the manual intervention goodness
13:24<ghosticus>linbot: hello
13:24<imMute>akerl: a while ago, the Arch guys did something with /usr (I think something like making /bin a symlink to /usr/bin) either way, there were alot of changes, and apparently upgrading from a much older version to a much newer version (compared to said change) doens't work right. and I just havn't had the time to do a reinstall + migrate
13:24<linbot>Yaakov: He who obtains has little. He who scatters has much. — 老子
13:24<@akerl>imMute: I know :P
13:25<@akerl>I run Arch
13:25<imMute>akerl: well the "?" is a little ambiguous
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13:25<@akerl>That's why I followed by pointing out that pacman can work around the issue, if you do the right magics :)
13:26<@akerl>I even posted the steps in the forums somewhere with the magic sequence if you're a few manual interventions behind
13:26<imMute>ah, I even tried that (IIRC) and it didn't work (or, more likely, *I* didn't work)
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13:26<imMute>it's honestly faster to just boot up another linode, setup everything, then migrate my data disk images
13:27<@qmr>or use debian
13:27<@akerl>I wrote the steps in the intervening period between the /usr/lib change and when the Linode Arch image was refreshed, when pacman -Syu-ing a new Linode to current was painful
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14:27<@qmr>C-C-C-combo breaker!
14:27<pronto>when ever i go out playing ingress i make sure to play "Eminem -Soldier" first o_o
14:27<seanh-ansca>qmr: "this is your body with out fiber!"
14:29<dominikh>pronto was the combo breaker. the pattern was hi, Hi, hi, ... lowercase, uppercase, lowercase :<
14:29<pronto>i'm pimg pimpin
14:30<ghosticus>damn linbot
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14:31<ghosticus>he left...
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14:50<pronto>so umm, does does the debain image on linode by default have nfs running?
14:51<vegardx>I think it's a part of Debian standard packages, actually.
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14:52<pronto>and removed
14:52<vegardx>Then install it, it's not rocket science :-)
14:52<pronto>i forgot a word
14:52<pronto>"why does..."
14:53<pronto>nfs-common installed and running by default
14:53<pronto>seems weird
14:53<vegardx>"and running?"
14:53<@akerl>14:51 < vegardx> I think it's a part of Debian standard packages, actually.
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14:53<vegardx>As long as you don't have any exports, why would you even care?
14:54<pronto>i'm just used to barebone installs
14:54<@akerl>pronto: Are you referring to rpc.statd?
14:54<vegardx>Like the systems where you have to install a couple of hundred libraries just to install vim?
14:54<pronto>akerl: vegardx not that bare
14:55<pronto>akerl: yeah
14:55<@akerl>That *is* part of the minimal Debian install.
14:55<linbot>New news from forum: Google mail guide obsolete in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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15:23<richarddd>desktop.... ubuntu desktop or linux mint?
15:24<richarddd>(from win 8)
15:24<@akerl>Mountain Lion
15:24<@heckman>That's not a real animal.
15:24<richarddd>i have a lenovo, not a mac
15:24<@heckman>You're making it up.
15:24<@akerl>heckman: wat
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15:28<richarddd>ubuntu it is
15:28<@heckman>richarddd: I prefer Mint.
15:28<@heckman>Dislike Unity, personally.
15:29<@akerl>If it has a screen, OSX :)
15:29<@heckman>Except running a Hackintosh is a pain.
15:29<@akerl>I <3d my hackintosh
15:29<richarddd>tutorial linkage?
15:30<@akerl>For hackintosh?
15:31<@akerl>one sec
15:31<@akerl> <- awesome info, especially on hardware compatibility
15:32<@wblew>Also iHack bootloader
15:32<@akerl>ew ihack
15:32<@wblew>iBoot multibeast
15:33<@akerl>Those are teh devil
15:33<ghosticus>stop making akerl sick
15:33<@wblew>I often do so.
15:33<richarddd>hardware is
15:33<richarddd>thanks for the link ill have a look
15:33<@akerl>Trying to find the sexy bootdisk maker
15:34<@akerl> <-- awesomesauce
15:35<@akerl>It's like iBoot/multibeast, except it's not a crappy frankbeast of stolen code
15:35<kyhwana>When can I run OS X on my linode? ;)
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15:36<richarddd>can i download a mountain lion .iso THEN buy it post install and activate? not sure how it works on macs
15:36<richarddd>(.iso not from apple)
15:36<@akerl>Activation isn't a thing on OSX
15:36<@akerl>There aren't license keys and "registering with your key", etc like windows has
15:37<richarddd>what is there then?
15:37<@akerl>The best route would be to find a friend with a Mac, buy/download Mountain Lion from the OSX app store on their Mac and us it with myHack to make your bootable install USB
15:38<rasg>Hi. Problem to use the Lish shell
15:38<richarddd>ah, myhack is a osx app? theres loads of macs at work so no problem if so
15:38<rasg>I logged in using the Linux Shell (lish) Console, but It doesn't allow me to use shell. It gets blocked.
15:38<@akerl>richarddd: explains it better than I could :)
15:39<@akerl>rasg: What do you mean by "blocked"
15:39<rasg>I cannot enter commands.
15:39<@akerl>What does it display?
15:40<rasg>It only show the log.
15:40<@akerl>hit enter?
15:40<rasg>I did
15:41<rasg>but does not works
15:41<@akerl>What log is showing up there?
15:42<rasg>It's about IP tables.
15:42<kyhwana>rasg:pastebin the output?
15:44<rasg>I blocked 22 port for the external IP, then I trying to fix it with the console.
15:44<rasg>but I cannot use it.
15:45<rasg>iptables denied: IN=eth0
15:45<@qmr>rasg: you don't have a login prompt after pressing enter?
15:46<rasg>No, I dont have any.
15:46<@qmr>What browser are you using to connect to LISH
15:46<@qmr>version and platform? you might try LISH via SSH
15:48<rasg>OSX, 18.0
15:48<rasg>I'll try
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15:50<rasg>NO. The same problem using SSH. It ask me for logins and after logged in , it blocks.
15:50<@qmr>after logged in it blocks? do you get a shell prompt?
15:50<pronto>dont use ssh, use telnet >.>
15:51<kyhwana>can you post a screenshot or something?
15:51<@qmr>it is expected that it will ask you for a valid login. LISH simply connects you to your virtual console, it does not automatically log in. you still need to log in with a valid Unix user
15:52<rasg>It blocks after logged. I dont get any shell prompt.
15:52<@mcdollins>socat > telnet > ssh. Simple as that.
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15:54<kyhwana>rasg: after you login with your lish details or your linode user details?
15:54<richarddd>akerl: will myhack work on a osx vmware image do you think?
15:56<rasg>I setup a password in order to use the console inside the Remote Access tab. I'm using that logins.
15:56<kuzetsa>mcdollins: is socat anything like the old netcat from about a decade back?
15:57<@qmr>Right, and that will connect you to your console. That is a valid login for your host, and gives you access to a limited shell so you can use LISH. It is not a valid login for your Linode.
15:57<@qmr>make sense?
15:57<rasg>But, after logged it doesn't ask anymore.
15:58<@qmr>screenshot or pastebin?
15:58<rasg>Yes, make sense.
16:00<rasg>Yes, I understand, but cannot use the console to fix my problem.
16:00<kuzetsa>oh... apparently it's a netcat fork / reimplementation. nevermind, sorry for not googling.
16:01<@qmr>both kyhwana and I have asked for a screenshot ...
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16:01<@qmr>If you open a ticket one of us can connect to your console and take a look
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16:02<rasg>Ok, I'll open the ticket.
16:02<@array>rasg: i've taken a look - it looks like your console is frozen
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16:04<rasg>Yes, it gets frozen.
16:05<@array>rasg: your Linode has kernel panicked - you're booting into one of our older paravirt kernels which is affected by a known bug
16:06<@array>rasg: you'll want to switch to our "Latest 32bit" kernel in your configuration profile and then issue a reboot to boot into that new kernel (it's going to take a few minutes for the reboot to process because your instance isn't responding at the moment)
16:07<@array>rasg: 1) click the "Edit" link next to your configuration profile. 2) select the "Latest 32bit" kernel from the "Kernel" drop-down menu. 3) click the "Save Changes" button. 4) click the "Reboot" button on your dashboard.
16:07<@array>you should be all set form there - let us know how you go.
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16:12<rasg>Will I lose user data with this solution ?
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16:12<@array>rasg: no, you will not lose any data as a result of changing your kernel
16:12<kyhwana>nope, you're just changing the kernel
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16:20<@array>rasg: do you need a hand with the changes?
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16:25<rasg>I'm doing the kernel switch now. Thanks
16:25<@array>rasg: no problem!
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16:34<petarpetrovic>hey there, is it possible to create sub - sub domains like sub.sub.domain.tld using Linode's DNS Manager and how would I do that?
16:35<kyhwana>petarpetrovic: yes, you add them as "sub1.sub2" records?
16:35<petarpetrovic>kyhwana: yeah, I already did so, but just to check here in case that's not the way it would work :)
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17:33<tubaguy50035>rnowak: you would be so proud. I'm reading through the whole haproxy manual/configuration doc before I start using it.
17:33<tubaguy50035>What a concept this is.
17:34<rnowak>congratulations for not being a moron this time ;o
17:35<tubaguy50035>-_- I still do not care for postgresql :)
17:36<staticsafe>tubaguy50035: prepare for a sudden death
17:37<tubaguy50035>staticsafe: prepped
17:38<rnowak>one does not simply prepare for ones own annihilation, fool
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17:38<ghosticus>kick his ass >:O
17:38<tubaguy50035>but one does simply trollolol all over the postgres parade
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18:14<ds>Hi, I can login root but not as user. Google seems not happy for my problem. Cant find anything. Centos 6.3
18:16<cfedde>are you getting a particular error message?
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18:17<@qmr>ds: what error message do you receive? what's in /var/log/auth.log ?
18:19<ds>I created almost four (4) users and also publickey. Even if i disable publickey, i cant login as user but root is fine. This is the error when i login using user "Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic)."
18:19<ds>And "connection timed out"
18:21<@qmr>The first would indicate your public key authentication isn't working. are you using the right keypair? the second would indicate the SSH daemon isn't running or there is a connectivity issue between you and your Linode
18:22<pronto>zomg, archer is back today :D
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18:47<HoopyCat>ds: anything in the logs when you try to connect? /var/log/auth.log might have information
18:49<Hackintech>thanks Dreamer3
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18:53<@qmr>2slo HoopyCat
18:54<HoopyCat>qmr: sorry, i was eating dinner
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19:01<Ramon>Hi there. I'm looking to run a FreePBX instance (maybe more than one) on a VPS. Linode looks great, especially the backup feature. My question is, does Linode have FreePBX images it can load, or simply base linux distros? Can I load my own ISOs or images? Thanks!
19:01<@qmr>Ramon: no, yes, no.
19:02<@caker>there is that - which may give you a head start. I can't speak to its quality as it's a community contributed StackScript.
19:02<@qmr>Ramon: You can run a custom distro might look at the StackScript caker just linked
19:02<@caker>You can't boot and install an ISO (easily?), but you can upload your own custom distro quite easily
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19:03<Ramon>Thanks for the info. Kind of a bummer as I really like a couple of the ready to go ISOs.
19:04<Ramon>I'll sign up for the trial and check out the StackScript.
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19:51<@caker>we're going to rock down to: Linode Avenue
19:52<Nivex>caker: is Atlantic City naming a street after y'all? :)
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19:59<ds>gmr HappyCat: Hi, Ok, i made changes to ssh config but still the same. There's no /var/log/auth.log... I tail to /var/log/secure and this is the logs: Jan 18 00:56:44 lincentos sshd[26971]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for xxx.xx.xx.xx [xxx.xx.xx.xx] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT!
19:59<ds>Jan 18 00:56:45 lincentos sshd[26972]: Connection closed by xxx.xx.xx.xx
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19:59<Pei>I'm currently resizing my linode to a bigger one,
20:00<Pei>I get to keep my IP right/
20:00<Pei>ye... okay
20:00<Pei>that';s like, 2/3rds of a yes
20:00<Pei>what's the catcj
20:01<@heckman>easier to type
20:01<Pei>okay and
20:01<ds>qmr HappyCat: Root is fine: Jan 18 00:55:50 lincentos sshd[26956]: Accepted publickey for root from xxx.xx.xx.xx port 47955 ssh2. Jan 18 00:55:50 lincentos sshd[26956]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
20:01<Pei>how much bandwidth per month comes with the 1024?
20:01<Pei>400gb right?
20:01<@heckman>Sound right.
20:02<@heckman>er, fail
20:02<Pei>that's why i'm upgrading
20:02<Pei>i need more per month
20:02<@akerl>You just need more bandwidth?
20:02<@qmr>Overages are invoiced the following month at the rate of $0.10 / GB. We aren't going to shut you down or anything like that if your transfer is 400.001GB
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20:03<Pei>i needed more gb per month yes
20:04<Pei>for outgoing traffic
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20:04<Pei>yes but i also will get more hdd space and ram if i just pay the extra $20 a month
20:04<ds>I created new publickey but same thing
20:05<ds>I can access root but not using user
20:06<kyhwana>ds: did you add the public key to the users .ssh/authorized_keys file?
20:09<ds>kyhwana: yes using this and i add also to root authorized_keys the same as my user test account (4 accounts are not working)
20:10<kyhwana>what command did you use to add that public key to the users authorized_keys file?
20:10<@akerl>ds: So name an account which isn't working.
20:10<@akerl>Then I'm gonna give you a wall of commands to run :)
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20:12<Nivex>echo "herp derp" | wall
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20:17<ds>kyhwana akerl echo "key" >> .ssh/authorized_keys2 (for root), for my test user echo "key" >> /home/dstest/.ssh/authorized_keys2 . and the rest of the 3 accounts dstest2,dstest3,dstest4
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20:17<@akerl>ds: You ran that command as root?
20:17<@akerl>I bet that's why.
20:18<@akerl>Pastebin the output of `ls -la /home/dstest/.ssh/`?
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20:18<ds>And i make chown dstest:dstest /home/dstest
20:19<xixor>is there a way I can configure the reverse dns but keep my domain controlled with godaddy?
20:19<@akerl>xixor: Yes; reverse DNS exists on the IP, not the domain
20:19<@akerl>You can set it in the Linode Manager under Remote Access -> reverse DNS
20:20<@akerl>drwx------ 2 root root 4096 Jan 12 01:08 .
20:21<@akerl>.ssh is owned by root:root and has 700 perms.
20:21<@akerl>chmod that to dstest:dstest
20:21<@akerl>chown, rather
20:22<xixor>akerl: Does a hostname have to exist for reverse dns?
20:22<@akerl>Yes, you need valid forward DNS
20:23<xixor>does that DNS have to resolve to that particular IP?
20:23<xixor>ok, thanks. it is!
20:24<xixor>How does the reverse dns protocol work? where does the request get sent? Some nameserver?
20:24<chesty>yeah, I wanted my reverse to be
20:25<@akerl>Reverse DNS records are just PTR DNS records, which are owned by the people who own the IP rather than the people who own the domain
20:25<@akerl>It's a PTR record, and when somebody looks up the reverse record for, their request gets delegated to the operators of that block of IPs
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20:28<xixor>Hm..... I see. You seem knowledgable about DNS, which I am not. May I ask a question: with my godaddy DNS settings, I have the MX records setup for my google apps for business domain (ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM), etc. Does my "A" record entry @ need to point to the mail server IP as well? I want to set the A (Host) @ record to point to my linode IP, but am worried about messing up my email routing to google
20:28<kyhwana>nope, the MX record specifies that your mail is meant to goto
20:29<xixor>ok, thanks
20:31<xixor>hm..... additional IP addresses require technical justification
20:32<kyhwana>why do you need more v4 ips? (lots of v6 IP's are free)
20:32<xixor>IPv6 is a thing now?
20:33<kyhwana>linode will give you a /somethinghuge of ipv6 for free now
20:33<Nivex><3 IPv6
20:34<xixor>I've never used IPv6. I'm assuming that 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:75b5/64 is my IPv6 address? I can't seem to ping, or ssh to it
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20:34<Nivex>ping it without the /64. it answers fine here.
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20:35<xixor>I can ssh to it from my linode debian machine, but not from my home desktop ubuntu machine
20:37<kyhwana>xixor: do you have ipv6 at home?
20:38<xixor>kyhwana: no idea. I'm not sure if it needs support at the ISP level, or my router level, or my OS level
20:38<kyhwana>xixor: all of the above
20:38<kyhwana>xixor: tell your ISP to get off their butt and give you native v6
20:39<kyhwana>If you're north american, ARIN will be out of v4's to hand out by mid next year
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20:39<Nivex>if you're EU or Asia/Pacific, you're already stuffed.
20:39<xixor>ok. Apparently my router (apple airport extreme) supports IPv6, and I'm assuming that kubuntu 12.10 supports it, so that means my ISP might not
20:40<kyhwana>yep, there are already ISP's here that are only giving out RFC1918 v4 IP's to customers (and no ipv6! wtf fail)
20:40<kyhwana>and a few in the UK too
20:40<staticsafe>HE tunnelbroker!
20:41<ds>akerl: Ok, i made some changes again and new key again. These area the logs.
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20:41<xixor>Should I ensure that my godaddy DNS settings have IPv6 entries for my linodes? Or is having an A record with IPv4 sufficient?
20:42<ds>akerl: but those keys works in root
20:42<@akerl>ds: Note the error
20:42<@akerl>The ownership or permissions for that dir are wrong
20:42<kyhwana>xixor: you should start giving your domains AAAA records where they point to linodes that have ipv6 addresses, yes
20:42<@akerl>`ls -la /home/dstest` <-- put that in a pastebin
20:43<linbot>New news from forum: dkim help with dkim-milter, ubuntu 10.04 and postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
20:43<f_rizzo>xixor: you could add the IPv6 entries if you wanted.... they're AAAA records though
20:44<f_rizzo>so like
20:44<f_rizzo> points to 2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:75b5
20:44<f_rizzo>AAAA addr
20:48<xixor>In the AAAA record, should the "host" be @? or the domain name?
20:48<xixor>ah, never mind, it seems that the DNS zone file editor changed it to @ automatically
20:51<@akerl>ds: Set /home/dstest to 700?
20:52<ds>chmod 700 /home/dstest
20:54<chesty>yeah, ssh might not like $HOME being group writable
20:56<@akerl>What happens when you SSH now?
20:56<@akerl>and if it fails, what does the auth.log say?
20:57<ds>It works!
20:57<ds>Thank you so much :)
20:58<ds>chmod 700 solved the probs
20:58<xixor>Hm.... doesn't look my isp does ipv6
20:58<linbot>New news from forum: dkim help with dkim-milter, ubuntu 10.04 and postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
20:59<kyhwana>xixor: well, hassle them about it, then
20:59<JoeK>theres no place like chmod 777
21:00<XReaper>xixor: most don't :)
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21:18<akweb>My linode CPU usage is spiking to 200%+ right now and I am trying to determine what is causing this
21:18<XReaper>top or htop can tell you :)
21:18<kyhwana>and ps
21:18<akweb>I have multiple Wordpress sites hosted on the ubuntu box, nginx, and php-fpm
21:19<akweb>It shows php-fpm as the culprit but I want to know which site in particular
21:19<akweb>Any ideas?
21:19<seanh-ansca>do you have each of your sites in it's own fpm pool?
21:19<akweb>I'd love to be able to track resource usage in realtime for the different installes
21:19<seanh-ansca>with a different user for each etc
21:19<akweb>I dont think so
21:20<akweb>Would that be the way to do this?
21:20<XReaper>try setting up some form of caching
21:20<XReaper>that will reduce the load on the php backend
21:20<akweb>I m using apc caching
21:21<seanh-ansca>i do very little multisite hosting, but i know you can have fpm setup as many pools as you want each with its own socket and set the user that it runs as
21:21<akweb>I usually run 10-20% load but occasionally I get these huge spikes
21:21<chesty>akweb: pastebin vmstat 1 10
21:21<akweb>Ok I will do some googling on fpm pools
21:21<seanh-ansca>then you just set the fastcgi handler in nginx per site to it's designated pool
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21:22<seanh-ansca>i've been using this to manage my fpm installed for a little while, and it's decent
21:22<seanh-ansca>be aware that it has /etc/php set to purge so you `have` to do all your configuration through it...
21:22<linbot>New news from forum: dkim help with dkim-milter, ubuntu 10.04 and postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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21:24<chesty>looks pretty idle atm, you do have a lot of swap in use, but it isn't swapping continuously, run it again during a spike
21:24<seanh-ansca>that shows things are basically idle
21:25<akweb>Ok, will do
21:25<akweb>Thanks for the help guys
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21:29<ds>tail -f /var/log/secure lots of failed ssh attemp lol
21:29<ds>is it ok to use port 26 or 25 for ssh?
21:29<kyhwana>ds: well, you've blocked off root access via ssh and everyone has secure passwords or only ssh keys?
21:29<kyhwana>ds: port 25 is smtp
21:30<imMute>ds: technically yes. but you're going to confuse alot of people by running a sshd on 25 rather than a smtpd
21:30<ds>kyhwana: i turn off root after user problem solved.and issued keys now for my user
21:31<ds>do we have a problem with the hardware if there are always ssh attempt?it wont damaged the hardware?its kinda noisy (i guess) in actual hardware
21:32<imMute>no, it won't damaage the hardware
21:32<EugeneKay>If you want to keep the noise down you can use a variety of solutions, such as fail2ban, sshguard, or iptables rate-limiting(hashlimit)
21:33<ds>Noted, thanks :)
21:34<EugeneKay>iptables -A INPUT -m tcp -p tcp --dport 22 -m hashlimit --hashlimit-name ssh --hashlimit-upto 5/minute --hashlimit-mode srcip --hashlimit-srcmask 24 -j ACCEPT
21:34<EugeneKay>Tada, much less spammy logs.
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21:35<kyhwana> /thread a5
21:38<ds>EugeneKay: thanks :)
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21:51<linbot>New news from forum: MySQL Passwords randomly reset (second time in two months) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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22:11<xixor>w000t. managed to migrate my mysql db to linode, now my website works:
22:11<xixor>what a battle.
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22:12<xixor>best website ever btw
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22:18<pronto>xixor: 1995 called, they want their website background back
22:19<xixor>no, I stole it fair and square.
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22:56<panda>I am thinking about buying a 512 linode, do you guys know if there are any promotional codes available right now?
22:56<@akerl>There are not
22:56<linbot>New news from forum: Strange directory structure, need answers in General Discussion <>
22:57<@akerl>Generally speaking, the only way to get a promo code is to visit a linodian booth at a conference and say hello to a Real Life Linodian
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22:59<panda>too bad
22:59<panda>there should be more promotions
22:59<panda>anyway, thanks
22:59<panda>I'll see if the rackspace guys have promotions going on right now
22:59<EugeneKay>Cool story br0
23:00<tubaguy50035>panda: why come here just to troll?
23:00<Nivex>some people are just cheap bastards.
23:00<panda>not trolling
23:00<panda>just wondering
23:00<panda>anyway, thanks
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.61162330, 0.26054689) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 434826 of 553367 (π ≈ 3.143129243341218 - 0.001536589751425). http://π
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