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---Logopened Wed Jan 23 00:00:14 2013
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01:21<eyepulp>any promotion codes floating around out there? I'm adding like my 8 or 9th server. =)
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01:22<ghosticus>though i hear if you visit their booths @ conferences, they might
01:22<Volstvok>Are they ever in Austin? I don't need more servers, but would be fun to say hi
01:23<eyepulp>bah -- too busy working to make more money to get more linodes. =P
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01:24<Volstvok>wow node.js takes forever to compile
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01:43<starryeyed>omg : I increased the font size on my IRC app. Life = changed.
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01:43<starryeyed>I just logged into the server for something, and noticed (really noticed) that Ubuntu gives a report on System stats
01:44<starryeyed>what's depressing though is that 53% of memory is being used
01:44<starryeyed>we have like, no traffic on the blog
01:44<starryeyed>(I'm on the cheapest possible linode)
01:48<starryeyed>no full screen command line on Windows
01:49<starryeyed>sucks so hard
01:49<kyhwana>uh, how much of that is disk cache?
01:50<starryeyed>I'm in htop, and the worst offender is MySQL
01:50<starryeyed>fair enough, I think it's my fault
01:50<starryeyed>I should configure mysql to eat less or something
01:50<kyhwana>what does free -m say?
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01:51<starryeyed>oh wait
01:51<starryeyed>kyhwana, the threads all show 9.2%
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01:51<starryeyed>that means that they all share 9.2% together?
01:51<@meskarune>starryeyed: optimized mysql config
01:51<starryeyed>thank you meskarune bookmarked
01:52<starryeyed>I think I can google that
01:52<starryeyed>about threads
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01:52<@meskarune>you could probably increase the values a bit to get better performance, but I haven't had issues with that config, and it decreased my ram usage by a lot
01:53<starryeyed>I'm very sorry if I made any sexist remarks on this room, as well as any indecency displayed
01:53<starryeyed>there's that's out of the way
01:53<starryeyed>thank you meskarune
01:53<@meskarune>sure :)
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01:56<starryeyed>"htop is only able to get the memory
01:56<starryeyed>usage for all of the threads combined, and each process shows the total
01:56<starryeyed>memory usage for all of the threads."
01:56<starryeyed>good to know
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01:56<starryeyed>it's still the most obnoxious user though, that conf file should fix it
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02:02<@meskarune>starryeyed: check out mysql tuner too:
02:03<@meskarune>stick it in /usr/sbin/mysqltuner
02:03<@meskarune>then run as root
02:04<XReaper>... meskarune ...
02:04<@meskarune>doesn't that redirect to github?
02:04<XReaper>download that, chmod +x and run as root
02:04<XReaper>meskarune: shortlink redirects to the raw link
02:05<starryeyed>increased font on command line too; again life += changed (it's a positive change..)
02:06<starryeyed>what on earth? Mem: 496 408 87 0 23 247
02:07<starryeyed>408 MB used up of 496...
02:07<XReaper>... free -m
02:07<XReaper>you want the second line
02:07<XReaper>-/+ buffers
02:08<starryeyed>ah okay, yeah, because htop says 138 used out of 496
02:09<starryeyed>Total: 1008 415 592
02:09<@meskarune>on a 512 I'm using 250 mb ram
02:10<kyhwana>since linbot seems awol
02:10<starryeyed>most of my actual RAM is used up
02:10<starryeyed>the swap is free
02:10<@meskarune>with web server, email server, web server, php/python/perl/ruby/ssi apps along with some other stuff running
02:10<kyhwana>no, half your ram is disk cache
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02:11<kyhwana>thus "free"
02:11<starryeyed>-/+ buffers/cache: 137 358
02:12<@meskarune>oh thats fine starryeyed
02:12<starryeyed>I suck at even following instructions, sorry XReaper
02:12<@meskarune>my used/free is 250/233
02:12<@meskarune>and I have a ton of things running
02:12<starryeyed>cool... do you get a lot of traffic?
02:13<starryeyed>ah you typed faster
02:13<@meskarune>ssh lag :)
02:13<@meskarune>I haven't looked recently, but I get about 700 - 1000 visitors a day
02:14<starryeyed>woo! nice
02:14<@meskarune>mostly from twitter, so if you have a blog that updates, making a twitter account is worth it :)
02:14<starryeyed>if none of that is paid traffic, you have a small-ish gold mine
02:14<XReaper>starryeyed: :)
02:15<starryeyed>I have an OT question: any of you track your time for billing customers?
02:15<starryeyed>I do, but I have a huge trouble with sticking to one thing, so I use an application on Windows that records every window title that was open, and how long
02:15<starryeyed>and then I drag and drop those windows into customer task buckets
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02:16<starryeyed>a port of this is not available on any unix
02:16<@meskarune>rescue time
02:16<XReaper>meskarune: you broke it!?
02:16<starryeyed>the website's API is open, and they have welcomed anyone to write it in Java
02:16<starryeyed>write it*
02:16<starryeyed>in whichever lang
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02:17<starryeyed>I uh can't do it right now, but this is the one thing - the *only* thing preventing my move to Linux full time
02:18<starryeyed>meskarune, you have a link to their pricing?
02:18<starryeyed>can't find it on the website
02:18<starryeyed>I keep forgetting google exists
02:19<@meskarune>starryeyed: pricing?
02:19<@meskarune>its free though :P
02:20<@meskarune>it just tracks what you do on your computer and phone, and gives you stats on how you spend your time
02:20<@meskarune>I used to use wakoopa before it was defunct
02:20<@meskarune>rescue time works on linux :)
02:20<starryeyed>that is exactly what I need....!
02:20<starryeyed>including that golden free word
02:22<@meskarune>last release is 2 years old :/
02:23<@meskarune>but it looks like it still works and has support in their issue tracker and forums
02:23<starryeyed>meskarune, does it tell you not only what application, but the deatils inside?
02:23<@meskarune>for linux that is :)
02:23<@meskarune>starryeyed: yeah, its really sweet, and you can try it out since its free to see what its like
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02:23<starryeyed>not just Google Chrome, but can it tell "" and "" apart
02:23<@meskarune>like its great for tracking web stuff
02:24<starryeyed>that is... oh wow
02:24<starryeyed>I'm going to boot back into my Debian parallel install
02:24<starryeyed>let's see how today goes
02:24<@meskarune>arch linux has a package for it, idk about other distro's but they probably do as well
02:24<starryeyed>be back folks
02:25<starryeyed>ah? arch linux did you say
02:25<starryeyed>so many people talk about it
02:25<starryeyed>oh yeah, there's one thing I wanted to ask, though it is again a little OT here
02:25<starryeyed>when I'm browsing on Windows, and scroll down very quickly, the CPU seems to handle it better (in Google Chrome for example)
02:26<starryeyed>but when I do the same in Linux, the scrolling is super choppy
02:26<starryeyed>is this a fault of Chrome
02:26<starryeyed>or is it that there is not much support for my optimus gfx card
02:27<starryeyed>though actually Nvidia manager doesn't ever show usage unless something like Photoshop is open
02:29<starryeyed>kyhwana, thanks for that atemyram link, ::new knowledge scroll unlocked!::
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02:33<@meskarune>starryeyed: sounds like graphics card issue
02:33<starryeyed>possibly, I thought so too
02:34<@meskarune>I use midori for web browsing lol
02:34<@meskarune>sometimes opera like a heathen
02:36<starryeyed>Opera is not so bad, I'm just very used to Google Chrome interface now
02:36<starryeyed>I'm very grateful to opera for their mobile browsers
02:37<starryeyed>those things enable webbing on the most primitive devices
02:38<starryeyed>of course, haha, I ignore chrome when I make web pages
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02:38<starryeyed>come to think of it I am not even testing on IE much these days :(
02:38<@meskarune>I try to mostly use open source software
02:38<starryeyed>oh, yes, there is that, I forgot
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02:38<@meskarune>but opera is very innovative
02:38<starryeyed>'free', not just in the commercial sense
02:39<@meskarune>a lot of their features have been copied by other browsers
02:39<starryeyed>there is one country at least that loves them and uses it a lot if I remember right
02:39<synapt>Opera used to have pretty decent speed going for it for a long time
02:39<starryeyed>somewhere in north east Europe
02:40<@meskarune>opera has a built-in irc client, mail client, file sharing, etc
02:41<@meskarune>so its more than a browser, but still uses less system resources than FF
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02:42<kyhwana> really
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02:42<XReaper>So. gone are the days of eth0
02:43<XReaper>meskarune: have you ditched the oldschool eth0 naming from your linode yet? :P
02:43<XReaper>gonna see if it works
02:43<starryeyed>these pages don't really give too many options:
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02:43<starryeyed>so I can just use 'dual' and be fine?
02:44<@meskarune>XReaper: I hate messing with my networking. :(
02:44<XReaper>meskarune: why
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02:44<XReaper>finnix is le awesomes
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02:46<starryeyed>oh god, dat interface
02:46<@meskarune>so moar into is in /usr/share/doc/systemd
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02:47<@meskarune>so I have to take id_net_name_path and stick that in my netcfg config?
02:48<@meskarune>udevadm info /sys/class/net/eth0
02:48<@meskarune>I guess I need to prepare for all the people who will have broken networking in a month or so
02:50<XReaper>aaand... removed the mask file, rebooted... still called eth0
02:50<@meskarune>maybe its not relevant for linodes?
02:50<XReaper>i guess not having any physical hardware counts :)
02:50<@meskarune>they have virtual hardware
02:50<XReaper>paravirt doesn't even have virtual hardware
02:52<@meskarune>I couldn't find my dog, and searched all over my apartment. finally found her inside my winter coat
02:52<XReaper>aww cute
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03:44<princess>i installed wordpress second time around in linode.
03:44<princess>how to view it in the web?
03:47<dcraig>third time's the charm
03:47<dcraig>you can't expect wordpress to work if you've only installed it twice
03:47<marius>be nice
03:47<marius>wp is awesome
03:47<marius>just visit whatever site you set your httpd to answer on
03:48*dcraig tickles marius around a bit with a large trout-perch
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04:07<dr_jkl>grrr rdiff-backup
04:10<dr_jkl>why won't you work properly
04:12<EugeneKay>"Because fuck you, that's why."
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04:19<Apathetic>is there an unmanaged plan somewhere?
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04:19<@akerl>All Linode plans are unmanaged
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04:35<dr_jkl>oh my god rdiff-backup is pissing me off.
04:35<CornishPasty>akerl: Do you get moaned at if you use CPU consistently for a period of time?
04:36<XReaper>CornishPasty: no
04:37<XReaper>CornishPasty: the io scheduler cuts you back anyway :P
04:37<CornishPasty>XReaper: Ah cool
04:37<CornishPasty>Although, the CPU graph on the manager gets confusing when you don't use the CPU, it shows it in 1000s of a % :P
04:37<XReaper>had a linode sitting at 220% for a few weeks
04:37<XReaper>hah yea
04:38<CornishPasty>I was all like "WHAAT? 500%!?"
04:38<CornishPasty>And then I became poor and had to cancel my Linodes :(
04:38<dr_jkl>does anyone here have experience with rdiff-backup by chance?
04:38<CornishPasty>Playing with EC2 free trial atm :P
04:38<XReaper>durp ec2 is overcomplicated
04:39<CornishPasty>XReaper: I just felt like playing :P
04:39<XReaper>and costs the same as linode, but without bandwidth included
04:39<CornishPasty>Well Linode doesn't have a free trial :P
04:41<chesty>dr_jkl: i use it, but i don't know if i could help
04:42<dr_jkl>i can't get it to work.
04:42<dr_jkl>i have it installed on both boxes, and i have a list of directories i want to copy to another server as the 'backup' user.
04:43<dr_jkl>the command i am using is..
04:43<dr_jkl>rdiff-backup -v5 --print-statistics --include-globbing-filelist /opt/backup/backup-list --exclude / backup@pantasia::/home/backup/dreamer dreamer-backup
04:44<dr_jkl>this is what happens.
04:44<dr_jkl>what gives?
04:44<kyhwana>huh, there's a irssi OTR script
04:45<dr_jkl>i have a very strong suspicion that i am misreading someting in the documentation
04:46<dr_jkl>that command _also_ seems to make a folder called dreamer-backup in the place i am running the command, but does not seem to put anything on the remote server. i do not know if this is normal behavior either
04:46<CornishPasty>dr_jkl: You're excluding / ?
04:47<dr_jkl>i want to back up only four folders, not the whole server
04:47<dr_jkl>so i put the four paths in the backup-list file
04:47<dr_jkl>exclude / and include the four paths.
04:48<dr_jkl>afaict it should work that way
04:50<chesty>dr_jkl: you're specifying /home/backup/dreamer then trying to backup /var/blah
04:50<dr_jkl>/home/backup/dreamer is where i want the backup of /var/blah to _go_
04:50<XReaper>just curious, how much sustained traffic would be needed before a nullroute is considered an option?
04:51<chesty>dr_jkl: is /var/blah on the box you're running rdiff-backup from?
04:51<SNy>dr_jkl: The order would appear to be the other way around.
04:51<dr_jkl>yeah /var/blah exists.
04:51<SNy>"Simplest case---backup local directory foo to local directory bar." rdiff-backup foo bar
04:52<dr_jkl>SNy: i'm not doing local to local
04:52<dr_jkl>OH WAIT
04:52<SNy>Yeah, so?
04:52<SNy>The order would STILL be source dest.
04:52<chesty>backup@pantasia::/home/backup/dreamer should be last
04:52<dr_jkl>yeah i just noticed that
04:53<dr_jkl>if the list of stuff i want to back up is in --include-globbing-filelist....
04:53<SNy>... then you don't need to exlude stuff. Yeah.
04:53<dr_jkl>do i just say --include-globbing-filelist /opt/backup/backup-list --exclude / / backup@pantasia::/home/backup/dreamer
04:53<SNy>Put take that with a grain of salt, I don't actually know it.
04:54<dr_jkl>and it will DWIM?
04:54<chesty>sound like it's worth a shot
04:54<dr_jkl>because if i say --include-globbing-filelist /opt/backup/backup-list --exclude / backup@pantasia::/home/backup/dreamer
04:54<SNy>It will never do what you mean.
04:54<dr_jkl>it says i have the wrong number of args
04:54<SNy>It will ALWAYS do what you tell it to.
04:55<dr_jkl>oh hey!
04:55<dr_jkl>--include-globbing-filelist /opt/backup/backup-list --exclude / / backup@pantasia::/home/backup/dreamer
04:55<dr_jkl>is correct
04:55<dr_jkl>this is what i get for trying to do this at nearly 5am instead of _sleeping_. :/
04:56<chesty>no work "tomorrow" ?
04:56<dr_jkl>nah, i work, but late enough that i'll still be able to grab some zeds before then
04:57<dr_jkl>also the example i was looking at had it backwards too :/ derp
04:58<SNy>You could put your exclude into your globbing-filelist, as well.
04:59<SNy>Should make it easier.
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05:04<dr_jkl>yay it backs up
05:04<dr_jkl>thank you chesty, SNy
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05:11<chesty>i think you mean backupses
05:13<dr_jkl>it upbacks
05:13<dr_jkl>now i can go to sleep. :D
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05:24<linbot>New news from forum: Arch + lightty, mysql, php, perl - vhost config with extras in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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05:31<linbot>New news from forum: Arch + lightty, mysql, php, perl - vhost config with extras in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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06:58<linbot>New news from forum: Is it possible to use too much CPU? in General Discussion <>
07:00<XReaper>meskarune: hi
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07:16<diegocn>morning people
07:17<branko>There is no such thing as "morning people"
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07:22<branko>diegocn: I mean people who like morning etc - a silly pun on my side :)
07:24<diegocn>nobody likes morning
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07:43<Yaakov>I like morning.
07:43<Yaakov>I get up at 4:00 AM.
07:44<dominikh>I go to bed around that time
07:44<Yaakov>Morning is great.
07:44<Yaakov>I like it better then the sun is up earlier, but I still prefer the morning hours.
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07:49<XReaper>dominikh: 4am is an awesome time to go to sleep
07:50<dominikh>XReaper: a bit early, but yeah, it works
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08:17<pronto>:( darn
08:17<pronto>not allowed to use linode for a project at work
08:18<linbot>New news from forum: Is it possible to use too much CPU? in General Discussion <>
08:18<XReaper>pronto: darn!
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08:19<pronto>XReaper: yeah :(
08:20<pronto>at least they gave a better answer this time
08:21<pronto>urgh, outlook makes me range >.<
08:22<KyleXY>range rage,
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08:27<eagles0513875>hey linodians
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08:33<eagles0513875>quick question if i want to pay for a server for 1 year i just need to send in a suppor tticket to billing correct?
08:34<@array>eagles0513875: yes - just open a support ticket requesting to be moved to an annual billing cycle and we'll get that sorted for you. :)
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08:34<eagles0513875>array: thanks :)
08:34<eagles0513875>how are you btw array
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08:45<SNy>All sorted, hopefully, eagles0513875. :P
08:45<eagles0513875>?? SNy what do you mean
08:46<SNy>Array, hopefully he is all sorted. Nevermind.
08:46<eagles0513875>ya iam
08:47<pronto>for people who use their linode as a proxy, you ever run into this? when google'ing things , it's damn annoying >.<
08:48<dwfreed>pronto: google might have a different idea about how IPv6 addresses are distributed
08:48<KyleXY>they might be doing what Freenode was doing
08:49<dwfreed>pronto: it's possible that they're assuming the entire /64 is one person, which for Linode is a very false statement
08:49<KyleXY>grouping everybody into chunks, assuming the /64 is one guy
08:49<KyleXY>and they probably whitelist certain ISPs, heh
08:49<dwfreed>pronto: but yes, I've seen that before; one time google decided it wasn't going to let me search at all anymore
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08:50<pronto>dwfreed: i got that, but on my cellphone...right after i installed chrome for andriod
08:50<dwfreed>pronto: this increases the probability of it being because they're assuming a /64 per person
08:51<KyleXY>It's a pain typing those captchas in on a small phone screen
08:51<KyleXY>especially when they do it to authenticate your gapps account in android itself
08:51<KyleXY>can't zoom the image :(
08:51<pronto>KyleXY: when it happened on my phone, it was just like "no!"
08:51<pronto>not even a capcha
08:51<KyleXY>pronto: I'm talking about the entire system, even the Google Accounts stuff
08:51<KyleXY>I'll randomly get a notification asking me to put in a captcha
08:52<KyleXY>painful painful..
08:52<KyleXY>But this is before the ipv6 deployment to consumers, so *shrug* just a bad recycled ipv4
08:54<eagles0513875>out of curiosity
08:54<eagles0513875>does linode use citrix xen server as the core of business operations or the open source version of xen?
08:54<KyleXY>I doubt they're using citrix xen, but *shrug8
08:54<KyleXY>*shrug* *
08:55<pronto>i thought linode used potatoes
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08:56<skn>hi all, I have an issue in on my node . hoping someone can ehelp
08:56<dwfreed>skn: ask away
08:57<skn>I have a disk Content mapped to /dev/xvdc
08:57<skn>and this is to be mounted as /content in fstab
08:57<skn>however it refuses to mount the disk when a boot happens.
08:57<skn>though after the boot I can log into lish and mount it simply by mount /dev/xvdc
08:58<skn>lish log shows the issue
08:58<skn>fsck.ext3: Device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/xvdc Filesystem mounted or opened exclusively by another program? mountall: fsck /content [2050] terminated with status 8 mountall: Unrecoverable fsck error: /content mountall: Skipping mounting /content since Plymouth is not available
08:58<skn>though I have no idea what is keeping the /dev/xvdc busy!
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08:59<skn>this happened after the recent reboot of the physical machine at London by Linode
09:01<skn>any idea what could be happening?
09:01<eagles0513875>skn: that didnt say much
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09:02<dwfreed>eagles0513875: it was a complete description of the problem as far as he could see with what he's familiar with using
09:02<eagles0513875>ahh apologies
09:02<skn>if you can tell me where to look I can...
09:03<skn>the weird thing is I can log into lish and mount.
09:03<skn>also in recovery mode e2fsck says the disk is fine
09:04<skn>FYI, this has stumped the linode support staff also :) They are suggesting a backup recovery
09:04<eagles0513875>skn: sadly im going to have to agree with them
09:05<skn>which is not too bad given the last backup was about 10 hours ago but I would rather try everything else
09:06<skn>eagles0513875: hmm., there must be an underlying reason. It is after all not windows :)
09:06<eagles0513875>skn: let me google something
09:06<skn>lsof also does not provide any answer
09:08<AlexC_>skn: Pastebin /etc/fstab
09:09<eagles0513875>thats mounting home but it might be applicable to you as well
09:09<skn>thanks.. lemme check
09:10<eagles0513875>actually skn
09:10<eagles0513875>can you pastebin the output of dmesg
09:10<eagles0513875>or syslog
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09:11<skn>one sec
09:11<skn>one sec
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09:12<pronto>caker: ping
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09:16<skn>the only entries on xvdc on syslog are
09:16<skn>blkfront: xvdc: flush diskcache: enabled
09:16<skn>xvdc: detected capacity change from 0 to 19864223744
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09:19<eagles0513875>skn: what are you running on this system if you dont mind me asking that could possibly be locking /contents
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09:23<skn>well I am running things like nginx, openfire etc. but they should not even be started for it to lock since the fsck step is so much before all the init scripts are excuted, right?
09:24<skn>eagles0513875: the url you gave me almost exactly applies to me but there was no solution there in the end
09:25<eagles0513875>skn: have you run the fsck check in single user mode?
09:25<skn>eagles0513875: as the OP stated, fsck shows no issue but fsck always complains on boot
09:25<eagles0513875>what os are you running skn
09:25<skn>I ran fsck in recovery mode, which is much safer
09:25<skn>ubuntu 12.0.41
09:26<KyleXY>He's running Plymouth, it's a good bet it's Ubuntu...
09:26<eagles0513875>thats what i was thinking
09:26<eagles0513875>why on earth is there plymouth installed to begin with
09:27<eagles0513875>skn: was plymouth pulled and installed on ur system as a dependency?
09:27<KyleXY>eagles0513875: ... plymouth is *always* installed,
09:27<Anna30F>join me, it's free =>
09:27<eagles0513875>KyleXY: not true
09:27<KyleXY>dwfreed: ^^
09:27<KyleXY>eagles0513875: yes true,
09:27<eagles0513875>KyleXY: on server its ver minimalistic
09:27<KyleXY>eagles0513875: it's still included
09:27<dwfreed>ubuntu requires plymouth
09:27<dwfreed>removing it _will_ break your system
09:27<KyleXY>dwfreed: mind nuking the spambot if you can?
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09:28<@dwfreed>forgot remove doesn't work here
09:28<eagles0513875>PWNED :D
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09:28<eagles0513875>hahah was about to say the spam bot was using a schools network lol then i realized it was dwfreed whose connected from it lol
09:29<KyleXY>eagles0513875: In the end, plymouth is required by ubuntu, server or not, and he didn't install it.
09:29<skn>yup, I did not install it from my side
09:29<skn>sigh, so is my problem but the OP just disappered!
09:30<skn>also, seem to be specific to linode kernel?
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09:30<KyleXY>skn: the linode kernel is a standard kernel
09:30<eagles0513875>skn: i dont have any issues
09:30<eagles0513875>im on 12.04 on all my servers
09:31<skn>I never did either until the damn forced node restart
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09:33<eagles0513875>ill ask on xen for you skn
09:34<skn>Thanks eagles0513875.
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09:34<eagles0513875>i have worked with xen before and ran into this issue
09:35<eagles0513875>but I am not sure how i fixed it
09:35<skn>so near yet so far :)
09:36<eagles0513875>i know the feeling
09:36<eagles0513875>and the xen channel is dead right now :(
09:37<dwfreed>the xen channel is usually dead
09:37<eagles0513875>dwfreed: ya dont know where else to turn to get this solved for him
09:38<skn>another q - if I try to resize a disk to something smaller than total size of data in it, will linode catch it and refuse to do it or will it do so anyway and destroy data?
09:38<skn>trying to free space for a backup restore - worst case scenario
09:39<eagles0513875>skn: to restore a backup
09:39<eagles0513875>you delete the exisiting disks and then restore the backup
09:39<tubaguy50035>or restore to a different Linode
09:39<skn>I have only one linode :)
09:40<tubaguy50035>pick up another one while you get what files you need, then remove it
09:40<KyleXY>skn: just look inside the node itself
09:40<tubaguy50035>you'll be credited for your use
09:40<KyleXY>skn: you can get the total used there, and know for sure
09:41<dwfreed>skn: if you try to resize a disk image with 20 GB of data (for example) to 5 MB, the resize job will fail and nothing will change, because the resize refuses to do something that would result in data loss
09:41<skn>eagles0513875: don't want to delete a "somehow-working" disks and end up with a not-working backup
09:42<eagles0513875>gd point
09:42<skn>dwfreed: answer I was looking for.
09:42<skn>I still find the who restore process confusing though
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09:53<skn>regarding backup restore: say I have 3 disk images - 1 OS, one swap and one Data. if I restore from a backup, I will see 6 disks is it? 3 original and 3 from the backup of the 3 original?
09:54<skn>and then if all backup process is working I then can delete the 3 original disks and reclaim the space and add them to the ones created from backups?
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09:55<dwfreed>skn: yes, yes, and yes
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09:56<skn>I think I may have figured out the cause - resizing of the affected disk..
09:56<skn>not sure how to test the hypothesis though
09:57<skn>since I lost my uptime due to reboot, I though I will also apply the 20% disk received in Dec
09:57<skn>the issue seems to have come up after that
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09:57<KyleXY>skn: was /content an ext4 partition?
09:58<skn>nope ext3
10:02<linbot>New news from forum: DB-serverless blog/CMS software suggestion? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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10:05<KyleXY>skn_: wild user that knows what IRC is
10:05*KyleXY goes back to looking around
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10:07<KyleXY>well hello there ubuntu bug report
10:07<skn>ya? URL?
10:09<superdug>KyleXY: oceandigital supports revernse dns finally
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10:09<eagles0513875>question stackscripts can oen take a normal bash script or something of the sort and use it to automatically setup and configure for example postfix etc
10:10<KyleXY>superdug: I've already complained enough so far after support told me to "ignore your downtime emails" :p
10:10<KyleXY>eagles0513875: a stackscript is just a bash script with some injected env stuff basically
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10:11<superdug_>KyleXY: kneel before zod!
10:12<KyleXY>superdug: I can't take them seriously anymore :p
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10:14<tubaguy50035>I'm trying to set up DRDB, following
10:14<tubaguy50035>I'm just getting started, installing linux-headers-virtual and linux-virtual
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10:15<superdug>KyleXY: I didn't go down :-/
10:15<tubaguy50035>grub-pc is asking if I want to install it on any devices... I don't, correct?
10:15<eagles0513875>kyhwana: thats funny
10:15<superdug>tubaguy50035: just as a forwarning, drbd is not for the faint of heart
10:16<KyleXY>superdug: this was before the downtime was supposed to occur
10:16<KyleXY>superdug: but based on their staff, and their "fuck you, deal with it" mentality, it's not worth dealing with them :)
10:16<superdug>KyleXY: their support staff is ... interesting
10:16<KyleXY>superdug: s/interesting/stupid/
10:17<KyleXY>superdug: might I show you exhibit B on that post, 15:40 < Nightmare> KyleXY: He used to run a Minecraft hosting company. It died off rather quickly.
10:17<tubaguy50035>superdug: yeah... I need something better than NFS
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10:17<linbot>New news from forum: Intermittent problems mounting /home in General Discussion <>
10:18<superdug>tubaguy50035: you can't just use DRBD, you have to put a clustering filesystem on top of it, DRBD is a replicated block device
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10:18<superdug>tubaguy50035: mysql has clustering and replication built into it
10:19<tubaguy50035>I'm not replicating MySQL
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10:19<superdug>well good luck, we're all counting on you
10:19<tubaguy50035>and that guide has you put an ext3 partition on the block device
10:19<superdug_>wait what?
10:19<superdug_>are you doing active/passive then?
10:20<tubaguy50035>oh, I see what you're saying
10:20<tubaguy50035>no, I want two actives
10:20<superdug_>then you can't use ext3
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10:21*tubaguy50035 le sigh
10:21<eagles0513875>tubaguy50035: are you trying to setup high availability failover?
10:21<tubaguy50035>no, I have two web servers behind a load balancer
10:22<eagles0513875>you mean a node balancer
10:22<tubaguy50035>no, I mean a load balancer
10:22<KyleXY>So what's the point of setting up DRBD?
10:22<eagles0513875>is a node balancer a fancy term for load balancer
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10:22<KyleXY>eagles0513875: he is doing his own load balancing.
10:22<tubaguy50035>I have haproxy running on my own linode
10:23<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: why do you need 2 actives?
10:23<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: both servers will be active at the same time, both taking user uploads
10:24<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: the hope is to build redundancy into the file system, so I'm not relying on one file server
10:24<dwfreed>tubaguy50035: you could have some fun with 2 drbd volumes and unionfs
10:25<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: hmm, why not a linode dedicated to just user uploads?
10:25<superdug_>dwfreed: I Don't think unionfs does dynamic locking
10:25<dwfreed>but I feel like the smarter move would be to do a highly available NFS + drbd setup with 2 file servers separate from your web servers
10:25<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: code changes are beyond my control
10:25<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: ah, heh
10:25<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: forum software?
10:25<tubaguy50035>dwfreed: seems like it
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10:26<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: No, custom
10:26<dwfreed>tubaguy50035: there's even a library guide for this :)
10:26<KyleXY>tubaguy50035: then why not put a feature request?
10:26<KyleXY>*shrug* so many solutions
10:26<eagles0513875>KyleXY: as the saying goes all roads lead to rome
10:26<tubaguy50035>KyleXY: ... cause my company wrote the software. And it's not just one application, it's like... 10
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10:27<dwfreed>superdug_: shouldn't need locking, provided filename collision is checked at a higher level than the filesystem
10:27<superdug_>tubaguy50035: to run active/active DRBD you basically need to make a two-node cluster
10:27<superdug_>dwfreed: but drbd is just a block level device, it has no idea what is going on on top of it
10:28<dwfreed>superdug_: indeed, and unionfs is just a layer on top of the filesystem
10:28<KyleXY>dwfreed: hmm, typo?
10:28<KyleXY>dwfreed: -- "Visit the download page for the Openfire RTC server and click the link for the .tar.gx file. "
10:28<KyleXY>tar.gx, then mentioned as tar.gz in the following wget
10:29<superdug_>dwfreed: you still need a filesystem on top of drbd for unionfs
10:29<dwfreed>superdug_: yes, and you could use ext3
10:29<dwfreed>superdug_: basically you'd do 2 active/passive drbd volumes
10:30<tubaguy50035>dwfreed: are you talking about this guide?
10:31<dwfreed>tubaguy50035: ye
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10:40<skn>aha.. I think I found the issue
10:40<skn>with my /dev/xvdc not fscking
10:41<eagles0513875>whats that skn
10:41<skn>it seem to be munin that was locking up the disk
10:41<skn>not sure why or how but since I did not want munin anymore I deleted it and restarted and it worked
10:42<skn>didn't know munin-node worked so low done.. or it could be a stale lock that was created before the unexpected reboot
10:42<skn>either way removing munin and munin-node cleared it up and I can boot normally
10:43<eagles0513875>skn: probably a stale lock
10:43<eagles0513875>skn: :) nice
10:45*skn does a victory dance
10:45*eagles0513875 high fives skn
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10:51*tubaguy50035 returns from boss's office feeling like a pro
10:51<tubaguy50035>two new file servers approved
10:54<pronto>\o/ tubaguy50035 nice
10:56<skn>does anyone know if the Linode issue in London is completely sorted?
10:56<skn>I am getting very high latency and low disk I/O
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11:00<@heckman>what london issue? o_O
11:01<skn>Emergency Maintenance - london4
11:02<skn>node got rebooted
11:02<@heckman>I don't personally know anything about that.
11:02<_rocky>its something that happens with computers from time to time
11:02<_rocky>they get rebooted
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11:04<fr0stium>u so genius.
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11:20<KyleXY>skn: wait, your line is on london4? .-.
11:20<skn>yup.. why?
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11:20<KyleXY>holy smokes
11:21<KyleXY>I mean, aren't they in the 500's for london now?
11:21<KyleXY>you're on a really old host machine
11:23<skn>Not sure if I should be happy that I have been there that long (from the beginning) or sad that I have an old machine!
11:23<skn>is there any way to relocate to another machine? :)
11:25<tubaguy50035>you could probably ask, especially since you're seeing issues.
11:25<KyleXY>So according to the comcast tech "You have a dead tap" so none of the houses around here are getting a signal
11:25*KyleXY goes googling
11:27<skn>tubaguy50035: I will!
11:27<GLaDOSDan>Hey who here loves mail servers
11:27<GLaDOSDan>I sure do
11:28<GLaDOSDan>I'm trying to get sendmail on server A to use server B as a relay for all its mail
11:28<GLaDOSDan>server B is running exim4 with the various things configured to accept relaying mail from server A
11:28<GLaDOSDan>but I can't get sendmail to actually use server B as a relay
11:29<GLaDOSDan>I've edited /etc/mail/ to add the line -> define(`SMART_HOST', `[xx.xx.xx.xx]')
11:29<GLaDOSDan>then I've ran make -C /etc/mail
11:29<GLaDOSDan>and reloaded sendmail - but it still ignores the relay host and just sends it itself
11:29<GLaDOSDan>the logfile for exim on server B doesn't acknowledge a connection or anything
11:30<pronto> xD the expression that turtle has is epic
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11:34<GLaDOSDan>I think I've clicked every google result for "sendmail smtp relay" now
11:34<GLaDOSDan>they all say the exact same thing but whatever I try seems to make no difference
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11:45<gisli>I'm switching my home computer's OS in a few hours. Do you know which precautions I have to take regarding ssh-keys connected to a linode?
11:46<bigjust>well, backup your keys, for one
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11:47<gisli>bigjust: i have the id_rsa and backed up
11:48<bigjust>well then you're good
11:48<gisli>is that all I need? Then just copy them into the .ssh folder in my new install?
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11:48<gisli>nice, cheers!
11:48<gisli>off to format-land then
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11:49<GLaDOSDan>Why do mail servers suck so bad
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11:51<eyepulp>GLaDOSDan: I don't think all of them are painful. We use exim pretty happily… we might front it with Haraka at some point, but it handles about 30M messages a month pretty well.
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11:58<pronto> i love that image they used
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12:01<skn>haa.. moving from london4 to london504
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12:03<KyleXY>skn: Like I said, oooollllldddd box
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12:03<KyleXY>skn: hence my "holy smokes"
12:03<skn>KyleXY: indeed. Thanks for the headsup
12:04<KyleXY>IO should be better, not sure about your networking though
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13:26<Jessicaaa>This blows
13:26<superdug>you're indeciciveness?
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13:28<Gadgets>Hi everyone, to upgrade our account, should we go under resize tab and choose our new plan?
13:29<Gadgets>Would everything be transferred to new plan by itself?
13:29<Gadgets>should we make a backup before doing this?
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13:29<superdug>your linode whould go down during the transition, but will all be there when it comes back up
13:30<Gadgets>so everything will be on the new plan as well? right?
13:30<superdug>though there really is no such thing as too many backups
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13:31<KyleXY>Gadgets: You have to do this for each linode you own though
13:31<KyleXY>so heh
13:31<KyleXY>assuming you're upgrading them all
13:31<Gadgets>well, I go to Resize tab
13:32<Gadgets>we have 2 gb plan now and I will choose the 4 gb tab
13:32<Gadgets>one lionde I own
13:32<Gadgets>Should I add the backup function seperatly?
13:33<Gadgets>and one last question, where do I see the prices for all the plans again? what is the URL?
13:33<KyleXY>the front page has them
13:33<Gadgets>please provide me with the URL
13:33<KyleXY>so does the resize tab
13:33<Gadgets>I'm blind!
13:34<KyleXY>Gadgets: once you choose it from the resize enu, you get the rpice
13:34<Gadgets>I did, it doesn't show the price
13:34<Gadgets>It gives me this though:
13:34<Gadgets>Immediately shut down, migrate your Linode, and invoice this account for the difference?
13:35<Gadgets>saw the prices, I was blind
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13:35<KyleXY>Gadgets: eh, it's prorated you have to remember that :p
13:36<KyleXY>plus you get some credit for the rest of this months plan, a lot of stuff
13:36<Gadgets>Kyle, should I add the backup function seperatly?
13:36<KyleXY>gad if you want :)
13:36<KyleXY>Gadgets: ^
13:36<Gadgets>would it be under Extras?
13:36<linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use the Linode Backup Service:
13:36<KyleXY>the prices are there
13:36<KyleXY>Linode 4096: $40.00/month
13:37<Gadgets>Thanks a lot
13:37<Gadgets>I'm not sure how you guys are online at all times and helping people out. Thanks again
13:37<KyleXY>Gadgets: I'm not staff
13:37<KyleXY>Gadgets: I'm a fellow customers.
13:37<KyleXY>!to Gadgets ops
13:37<linbot>Gadgets: Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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13:39<Gadgets>Thanks for your helps
13:41<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <>
13:42<KyleXY>superdug: ^
13:47<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <>
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13:48<bacon>What button is this?
13:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:49<ghosticus>bacon button
13:49<bacon>Ask HoopyCat
13:50<bacon>* HoopyCat presses button
13:50<bacon><rnowak> automation or bust, if you're going to be doing it manually don't even bother
13:50<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:50<bacon>* HoopyCat receives bacon
13:52<ghosticus>HoopyCat receives you
13:52<fr0stium>is it normal to not see anything in /boot with ls -a
13:53<ghosticus>not even . and .. ?
13:53<fr0stium>not even . and ..
13:53<fr0stium>I wanted to look at grub.conf
13:53<bacon>fr0stium, did you mount boot?
13:53<fr0stium>say wut
13:53<fr0stium>my linux skills are novice
13:53<bacon>pastebin the output of this command: mount
13:56<KyleXY>fr0stium: if you're using a standard image with linode, there is no grub.conf
13:56<KyleXY>fr0stium: because it's PV
13:56<KyleXY>you're not supplying a kernel, xen is
13:57<KyleXY>there is no grub, etc
13:57<fr0stium>I'm not even sure what xen is
13:57<bacon>yes what he said! fr0stium what do you want to know?
13:57<KyleXY>fr0stium: tl;dr, it's normal for your linode to have nothing in /boot
13:59<fr0stium>the fuck is that pile of ass
13:59<KyleXY>your PATH
14:00<EugeneKay>Looks right to me
14:01<KyleXY>ghosticus: :/ to you too?
14:03<fr0stium>can someone dissect it
14:03<fr0stium>and teach unto me :p
14:04<ghosticus>it's all the locations it looks for your programs
14:04<@heckman>goes from left to right looking for stuff, locations separated by colons
14:06<fr0stium>/sbin and /bin and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin are all acceptable path dirs?
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14:07<@heckman>They're each folders on the FS where binaries are expected to be installed
14:07<synapt>fr0stium: It's how the system looks when you type a command without a path
14:07<synapt>much like %PATH% on windows. When you type say, 'netstat', it searches each path in $PATH until it finds it
14:07<synapt>Rather than you having to do /usr/bin/netstat each time
14:08<fr0stium>Yeah, so I can put a script or something in any of those directories and just call it by its name right?
14:08<linbot>New news from forum: New Linode competitor - Digitalocean in General Discussion <> || Linode Managed beta in Current Betas <>
14:08<fr0stium>example -option arguments
14:09<@psandin>it'd still be, also that's what the /usr/local/ sub tree is for
14:09<@psandin>there's nothing stopping you from putting things in /usr/sbin, but people will tell you you're a bad person and should use /usr/loca/sbin instead
14:09<fr0stium>putting it in local allows the user to exclude the filetype appendage?
14:10<hawk>fr0stium: no
14:10<fr0stium>you need a hard (or) soft link then
14:10<hawk>fr0stium: If you want to use it by the name "example" you'd just name it that
14:10<@heckman>It's just a standard, I'd recommend reading the FHS
14:11<@psandin> will always be, but perl scripts are required to end in .pl
14:11<hawk>fr0stium: The ".pl" doesn't really serve any purpose to the system, possibly to you, though.
14:11<@psandin>major, fail
14:11<@psandin>minor typo
14:11<avenj>psandin: I was about to ask if you were drinking 8)
14:12*psandin slinks back to work
14:13<linbot>New news from forum: Debian only? in Current Betas <> || Linode Managed beta in Current Betas <>
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14:17<Gadgets>We moved our server from the 2 GB plan to 4 GB plan and the reports shows that this job is done
14:17<Gadgets>however we can't connect to the server and the site is not up either
14:17<Gadgets>should we wait longer or?
14:18<Gadgets>The IP didn't get changed by any chance?
14:18<Gadgets>it should be the same IP, right?
14:18<KyleXY>Gadgets: did you click the "Boot" button? :)
14:18<Gadgets>good point
14:19<KyleXY>If not, there's your reason
14:19<pronto>a list of dictionarys that have a list :D (I heard you like lists and dictonaries, so i put a dictonary of lists in a list) :D
14:19<Gadgets>I just did
14:20<Gadgets>Kyle, you have been very helpful, thanks again
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14:20<Gadgets>Done, deal, it is up, welcome to the new world:)
14:22<kyhwana>"are you sure its plugged in/turned on?"v
14:22*staticsafe unplugs kyhwana
14:23*KyleXY unplugs staticsafe's network
14:23<KyleXY>staticsafe: :)
14:24<KyleXY>ghosticus: you and your random emotes :p
14:24*kyhwana stays running, ia plugges into a UPS
14:30<dominikh>plug the ups into a ups so it'll never die
14:31<ghosticus>make a UPS loop
14:32<seanh-ansca>so you can backup your backup?
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14:34<table55>hi, we tried to resize our disk image but encounter error as follow: lv_resize: Image is currently snapshotted
14:34<linbot>New news from forum: Debian only? in Current Betas <>
14:35<table55>it has been 1 hour plus since the snapshot time
14:35<skn>is there any good android app for managing Linodes? The one I found in Play only gives info/status. I can't do anything much with it
14:37<KyleXY>skn: not really
14:37<skn>KyleXY: :(
14:37*KyleXY shoves his thumb to the right, or bottom
14:38<bacon>skn, managing from what perspective?
14:38<skn>well shutdown, boot etc.
14:39<KyleXY>skn: *cough*
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14:39<bacon>like an SSH client?
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14:39<guntha>you can get a decent bit done with webmin setup right on a phone, it has some mobile themes and its opensource
14:39<bacon>Or a browser?
14:40<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:40<skn>bacon: using the Linode APIs
14:40<bacon>skn, Check out Dolphin
14:40<KyleXY>guntha: webmin, ugh no
14:40<skn>start a migrate job etc.
14:40<KyleXY>skn: can't do that form the API anyway
14:41<guntha>yeah webmin is weak sauce but allow a single ip and vpn when you're on the droid and i can sleep okay
14:41<skn>I know I can use the browser on the mobile for most of these thing but a standalone app would be so nice..
14:41<skn>KyleXY: oh, you can't?!
14:41<KyleXY>skn: not via the API, no
14:42*skn smiling at the "Brand New" status of the node migrated to london 504.
14:43*HoopyCat presses bacon
14:43*HoopyCat receives button
14:43<KyleXY>skn: but /me shoves thumb to pm
14:43*bacon giggles
14:43<skn>blazing fast too
14:43<bacon>noo! that's not manly!
14:43*bacon gives # a man card
14:52*ghosticus bacons bacon
14:52<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:52<Nivex>is bacon bacon bacon the new chicken chicken chicken ?
14:52<ghosticus>i was never aware of chicken chicken chicken
14:54<bacon>Quick HTML question if the higher powers don't mind: I have a page that cycles others inside an iframe (setting src periodically). I want to preload those pages. Would the best way be to have 2 iframes and putting them into their own divs and hiding the one to use as preload?
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14:59<EugeneKay>The best way would be to not use iframes
15:00<EugeneKay>Instead have a div that you fill with some other HTML loaded via JS. You can preload in the background(including images via the hidden-div method), and then just swap in-place.
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15:01<bacon>EugeneKay, I agree, but problem is that those pages need to stand alone in their own right (for now)
15:01<bacon>it's a mish-mash of php
15:02<bacon>written by a bunch of different people over the years
15:02<EugeneKay>I'd load the first iframe in the foreground, then oad the second iframe hidden, then do a visibility swap
15:03<bacon>hiding with CSS?
15:03<bacon>*directly on the iframe, rather?
15:04<bacon>Cool. thank you
15:04<EugeneKay>Load the page with the first one, JS inject the second invisibly, then swap classes on the <iframe> tag after $TIMER
15:05<justin11>can people get someone to ssh in and set irc server up?
15:05<bacon>It's some dodge JS, but should be quick to do.
15:06<rails>justin11: what do you mean
15:06<justin11>can people get my linode to ssh in and set irc server up?
15:06<linbot>New news from forum: Strange issue with Postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:06<kyhwana>justin11: no, the "people" cant
15:06<rails>if you want someone to setup you an irc server..
15:07<kyhwana>I'm sure you could find someone to pay to manage your linode, though
15:07<rails>i could if you want, i guess
15:07<rails>i got nothing better to do
15:07<@heckman>Setting up an IRC server is probably one of the easiest tasks.
15:07<kyhwana>As a note, it's not a good idea to let random people on IRC login to your linode to "setup" things
15:08<@heckman>^^^^^^^ 1000 times this
15:08<rails>heckman: depends. it can go from 20 line old-style ircu setups to 2000 line inspircd.conf's
15:08<@heckman>Eh, InspIRCd isn't hard, it's just time consuming to go through all the options.
15:09<@heckman>Just go with UnrealIRCd.
15:09<rails>it's also one of the shit-teir ircd's so
15:09<@heckman>Eh, I used it for years and never had a problem.
15:09<rails>yeah, its big and clunky
15:10<rails>and people tend to go overboard with it x-x
15:10<@heckman>If you enable every module, it is.
15:10<@heckman>Welcoem to modular software, it can be fat if you configure it to be fat.
15:10<rails>^case and point.
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15:14<lbotos>beep bloop.
15:15<ghosticus>look another bot [o_o]
15:15<rails>mmm achievables.
15:16<lbotos>I come in peace.
15:23<KyleXY>rails: Personally, I prefer charybdis myself
15:23<KyleXY>the config has sane defaults you just need to fill in the obvious stuff at the top
15:23<rails>KyleXY: agreed. charybdis, plexus and ircu are the three i work with
15:24<staticsafe>rails your nick looks familiar
15:24<staticsafe>Rizon operator?
15:24<KyleXY>rails: I don't like anything that's not ratbox based, tbh
15:24<KyleXY>the rest of them are just clunky/annoying
15:24<rails>KyleXY: ratbox was based on ircu1 wasnt it? ;)
15:24<rails>theres a map somewhere
15:25<KyleXY>rails: *shrug*
15:25<KyleXY>it's to the point where it doesn't really matter what came before ratbox,
15:26<KyleXY>rails: and according to that map, it doesn't seem to be the case :)
15:27<KyleXY>also, that map is wrong
15:27<rails>where is the map wrong?
15:27<KyleXY>shadowircd2 is based off of charybdis, *not* hybrid7
15:27<KyleXY>it's actually a direct fork of charybdis, heh
15:28<KyleXY>so, *shrug*
15:28<rails>so it is
15:28<rails>but noone cares about shadowircd
15:29<rails>( ¬‿¬)
15:29<rails>(⌐‿⌐ )
15:29<KyleXY>so, chances are their are more mistakes in there
15:30<rails>i know everything was pretty much based on ircu2
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15:31<blbrown_win3>I ran these steps from the library but I can't get 'dovecot' working. Or at least I think that is the issue. I have some notes here
15:33<kyhwana>blbrown_win3: why did dovecot get shutdown? signal 15 is a SIGTERM, someone/something shut it down
15:33<blbrown_win3>kyhwana, I just ran the start/stop/restart commands. It has never been able to start. Is there a log I could look at besides mail.log
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15:34<kyhwana>blbrown_win3: you could try turning on debug logging in dovecot?
15:35<blbrown_win3>1 sec
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15:39<blbrown_win3>kyhwana, global_script_path = /home/vmail/globalsieverc I removed this based on the error logs. I think that did it
15:40<kyhwana>ahhah, what does global_script_path ?
15:41<blbrown_win3>I don't know, it was in the docs. I just copy pasted but the logs said remove it
15:41<blbrown_win3>in this docs.
15:43<kyhwana>hmm, not sure sorry
15:43<blbrown_win3>either way, it seems to work now
15:45<justin11>./Config: No such file or directory
15:45<pronto>D: raspberry pi is delivered , and i'm still at work x.x
15:45<ghosticus>pronto: is it on your porch
15:45<blbrown_win3>pronto, is that the cheap system?
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15:46<pronto>ghosticus: no; blbrown_win3 $35
15:46<blbrown_win3>that is cheap
15:46<pearlbear>hey, what's the easiest way to add a contact for notification emails? I'm not clear that adding a new user means that they will get the emails. If adding a new user will do the trick, can you link a user from a different account?
15:46<pronto>mcm electrionics has them in stock (usa)
15:47<justin11>hey, ./Config: No such file or directory
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15:47<pronto>ghosticus: if fedex/ups deliveres something , and i'm not home, it gets locked up in the leasing office for my apt complex
15:48<pronto>though, that weird "lasership" company amazon likes to use, will leave stuff at the door
15:48<kyhwana>justin11: requires context
15:49<kyhwana>justin11: anyway, obviously Config doesn't exist
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16:09<HoopyCat>pearlbear: adding a new linode manager user with some amount of access to the linode in question will do it... i don't know how much access is required tho. (perhaps enough access to do something about it :-)
16:09<pearlbear>HoopyCat: thanks!
16:10<HoopyCat>pearlbear: also, users are tied to a specific account, so even if they already have a login for another account, they'll need a new one
16:13<pearlbear>ok, cool. Thanks!
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16:26<ghosticus>presumably those murders were committed by web developers who had to support ie
16:26<ghosticus>ie 4-6
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16:29<justin11>hey, ./Config: No such file or directory unrealircd
16:30<bacon>Bakeries also have a high incidence of violent crimes in the surrounding areas.
16:31<bacon>Don't you love how the top comment thread is a bunch of wannabe typographers arguing?
16:32<ghosticus>font bitching is a bitch
16:32<justin11>hey, ./Config: No such file or directory unrealircd
16:33<HoopyCat>justin11: there may be an IRC channel that focuses on unrealircd; they might be able to provide more accurate advice there
16:33<linbot>New news from forum: Strange issue with Postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
16:36<justin11>Unreal3.2 folder.
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16:37<justin11>how do u open Unreal3.2 folder.
16:37<tubaguy50035>what website is
16:37*bacon scratches his head
16:37<bacon>good night all, have a pleasant evening/morning/night/day
16:39<HoopyCat>justin11: folders may be opened using a tool such as radio shack catalog number 64-152
16:39<HoopyCat>or equivalent
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16:40<eyepulp>HoopyCat: you've got it *all* figured out.
16:40<tubaguy50035>Seems a bit excessive for just a folder:
16:40<justin11>We are now ready to install UnrealIRCd. Switch back to the account that you will be installing UnrealIRCd on, and navigate to the Unreal3.2 folder. Type:
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16:40<HoopyCat>tubaguy50035: or equivalent
16:40<HoopyCat>eyepulp: descartes figured it all out, i just extrapolate from there
16:40<tubaguy50035>HoopyCat: The fact that you knew that catalog # existed is... scary :)
16:40<bacon>justin11, try this:
16:41<eyepulp>Ah the hours I used to waste looking @ RS catalogs...
16:41<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
16:41<ghosticus>i thought you were going to sleep bacon
16:42<bacon>Yes, but I realized I haven't been facetious on here today.
16:42<bacon>Now I have I can go.
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16:44<kyhwana>Oh, anyone into networking, there's a NZNOG live stream and programme up at :) DNSSEC/ipv6/general networking stuff that might be helpful to some people here.
16:45<ajmitch>kyhwana: I'd look, but I live in a backwater country & it'd chew through my data cap :P
16:45<justin11>hey, ./Config: No such file or directory
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16:46<gry>justin11, what are you trying to do ?
16:46*skn likes that Linode guys listened to my suggestion of adding a notes field next to manual snapshot in backups
16:46<kyhwana>ajmitch: well, you should've gone there then!
16:46<tubaguy50035>kyhwana: says it is from 8:30 until the end of the day, isn't it like 10:46 there?
16:46<kyhwana>justin11: yes, the file doesn't exist.
16:46<ajmitch>kyhwana: yeah, since I could really justify that to work
16:46<kyhwana>tubaguy50035: yep
16:47<tubaguy50035>kyhwana: running 2 hours late... or?
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16:48<kyhwana>tubaguy50035: nah, they're just on a morning tea break atm
16:48<tubaguy50035>ah, okay
16:48<tubaguy50035>is there a schedule somehwere?
16:48<kyhwana>tubaguy50035: on the mailing list URL, yeah
16:49<justin11>gry i am setting up unrealircd server
16:50<justin11>We are now ready to install UnrealIRCd. Switch back to the account that you will be installing UnrealIRCd on, and navigate to the Unreal3.2 folder. Type: ./conif
16:50<gry>what did you type, did you start with uppercase C or lowercase
16:51<gry>what is your current working directory
16:51<staticsafe>kyhwana: ty for the link
16:51*staticsafe is in networking class atm >.<
16:52<gry>justin11, let's be interactive, i ask, you answer
16:52<gry>obvious questions
16:52<gry>should take 1 second
16:52<gry>ok good
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16:52<gry>what working directory
16:52<gry>type 'pwd' in your shell
16:52<gry>paste it here in quotes
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16:55<justin11>gry '/home/kb7ftl'
16:55<gry>justin11, ok, type "cd Unreal*" and check pwd again
16:56<gry>you should have an Unreal-V dir somewhere where V is its version number
16:56<gry>what user did you untar it with
16:56<gry>where did you untar it to
16:56<gry>./Config is _inside_ of that directory
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17:00<justin11>gry '-bash: cd: Unread: No such file or directory
17:00<justin11>gry '-bash: cd: Unread: No such file or directory'
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17:02<playm>hey there
17:02<playm>I am trying to configure mysql server
17:02<playm>but when I enter mysql_secure_installation command
17:02<playm>it asks for password
17:02<justin11>gry '-bash: cd: Unread: No such file or directory'
17:02<playm>and gives an error
17:02<@heckman>playm: just press enter
17:03<@heckman>justin11: you didn't read the instructions provided to you. Unread is not Unreal*
17:03<gry>oh my dear
17:04<gry>it was unread, though
17:04*gry starts helping in pm
17:04<ajmitch>gry: good luck
17:05<gry>yes, good luck not dying too ;)
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17:07<tubaguy50035>Any haproxy users? I've done some header setting in my conf: But they don't come through on every request. Seems pretty random when it works and when it doesn't.
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17:10<tubaguy50035>Nevermind. :)
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17:27<mwalling>stan_theman: thats not ergonomic
17:28<@stan_theman>it's the next size up aeron
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18:26<linbot>New news from forum: nginx + wordpress: What to do beyond the guides? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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19:28<justin11>how do u /home/kb7ftl/ | grep -i unreal
19:33<ajmitch>still trying to set that up
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19:48<fr0stium>when you login to a server and it shows you the last ip that accessed it.. where does it pull that info from
19:49<fr0stium>is there a log of times/ips
19:49<HoopyCat>fr0stium: usually /var/log/wtmp (use the 'last' command to read it)
19:49<dzho>an interface to the . . .
19:50<fr0stium>is it wiped after every boot?
19:50<dzho>it might get rotated, though
19:50<dzho>and, eventually, deleted, depending on the log rotation policy
19:50<fr0stium>vim /var/log/wtmp just gives me bullshit, how do I edit it?
19:50<HoopyCat>see also /var/log/wtmp.1
19:51<HoopyCat>fr0stium: ... you don't really edit it
19:51<fr0stium>I'm trying to see if I can wipe it
19:51<fr0stium>deleting traces
19:51<HoopyCat>fr0stium: cat /dev/null > /var/log/wtmp
19:53<fr0stium>it still shows my last login
19:53<fr0stium>if I reconnect
19:53<HoopyCat>fr0stium: that's because your last login ended after you wiped the file...
19:54<fr0stium>le sigh
19:54<fr0stium>how do I make it so there is *no* log of me
19:54<HoopyCat>fr0stium: don't log in
19:54<fr0stium>there has to be a way
19:54<pronto> lol'd
19:55<HoopyCat>fr0stium: disable all logging that might log anything about you logging in, particularly wtmp and syslog's auth facility
19:56<HoopyCat>fr0stium: note: this has the side effect of ensuring that there's no log of anyone else. note: it doesn't stop someone else from seeing that you're logged in right now, and writing that down on a piece of paper
19:56<trippeh>There used to be a ssh switch that made it not log to wtmp, could log in with that and then wipe.
19:56<trippeh>perhaps it was non-interactive
19:57<ajmitch>pronto: a bit of facepalm there
19:57<HoopyCat>pronto: i suspect that clicking on that link may constitute a federal crime in my country
19:57*HoopyCat clicks
19:57<pronto>HoopyCat: :D
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19:57<rails>HoopyCat: which country?
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19:58<HoopyCat>rails: the one nation under god, of course
19:58<ghosticus>Mexico, huh
19:59<Nivex>est 1954
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20:06<fr0stium>When you're using putty, is there any sort of notable difference between "exit" and "logout"? Do they end connections differently?
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20:06<Nivex>you could always make wtmp immutable
20:06<Nivex>how to do that is left as an exercise to the reader
20:07<@heckman>fr0stium: nope, should do the same
20:07<HoopyCat>fr0stium: probably not. i usually do ctrl-d, myself
20:07<@heckman>^ same
20:07<fr0stium>I fucking like you guys
20:07<fr0stium>I haven't seen a single "google it" asshole all day
20:08<HoopyCat>dammit, i just realized that i totally forgot about the fundraiser at five guys tonight
20:08<Nivex>mmm five guys. though I do notice quite a bit of variation in the franchises here. The best one is about half an hour away.
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20:09<HoopyCat>'cuz i love you guys, but i like five guys
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20:11<HoopyCat>fr0stium: we can be assholish at times. i think our biggest problem tends to be ignoring questions/problems while continuing off-topic chatter, which is (IMHO) a violation of the tacit community support "social contract"... but you probably don't want self-critique
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20:11<fr0stium>I just want you guys to continue acting like you have been :D
20:12<ghosticus>fr0stium: i prefer ctrl+d too because it doesn't leave 'exit' or 'logout' in your history
20:12<HoopyCat>some people are just idiots, morons, or imbiciles, but if they at least get an explicit suggestion of where, exactly, they can go, i'm happy. i suppose. :-)
20:12<ghosticus>unless you explicitly add those to HISTIGNORE, etc
20:12<fr0stium>ghosticus, orly
20:13<ghosticus>or i might be wrong
20:13<ghosticus>who know
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20:15<HoopyCat>i've been flying the octothorpe for more than half my life, but i learn shit here every single day
20:15<HoopyCat>like, say, HISTIGNORE
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20:22<rnowak>fr0stium: GOOGLE IT
20:22<fr0stium>this motha fucka
20:22<HoopyCat>how do i google
20:22<fr0stium>FINNA GET THE BELT
20:22<rnowak>how do googles form
20:22*fr0stium goes all pootie tang
20:23<HoopyCat>ah, i figured it out
20:23<tubaguy50035>what is website
20:26<ghosticus>tubaguy50035: stop trolling
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20:39<io_>hi i am seeing a lot of suspicious hits lately, is there a page where i can check if an IP is marked as a bot or similar before banning it? Or any other technique?
20:40<io_>for example one hittting on /srv/www/cgi-bin/register.cgi (which of course does not exist)
20:40<gry> has a few RBLs and similar links at page buttom
20:41<gry>not sure if hits are worth banning for, depends on how much traffic, some things may be pretty cheap to serve
20:42<io_>gry: i ve been getting a lot of OOM lately
20:42<io_>and a 1Gig cache_form table
20:45*kyhwana pokes stupid linbot
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20:46<tubaguy50035>:| linbot is dead
20:46*ghosticus slaps linbot
20:46<rnowak>io_: if random scrapers can make your system OOM, you're doing it wrong
20:46<tubaguy50035>linbot, I'm not going to sheild you from the slapping this time
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20:49<ghosticus>linbot don't care, linbot dead
20:51<tubaguy50035>it sent me a pm lol
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21:11<Ttech>io_: Here's a large list of dnsbls
21:11<Ttech>I use it quite frequently, checks mail and a few other things.
21:12<HoopyCat>if it's hitting random things that don't exist on your web server, it's probably not a human
21:17<justin11>Ttece is it free
21:20<Ttech>it has no api, but you can go in your browser and enter an ip for free yes
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21:21<HoopyCat>by definition, a DNSBL does have a standard API
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21:25<Ttech>HoopyCat: Yes, however that service is just an aggregator
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21:26<HoopyCat>Ttech: point
21:26<Ttech>HoopyCat: goal
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22:26<danct>hey all!
22:27<danct>i'm getting the "Too many authentication failures for root" message on my first attempt to connect via ssh to my server
22:27<danct>what could be the problem
22:27<kyhwana>on your very first attempt before you enter a password?
22:28<kyhwana>do you have root logins enabled?
22:28<kyhwana>(via ssh)
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22:30<danct>i didn't make any changes on the server
22:30<kyhwana>and you always ssh to it as root?
22:30<kyhwana>ssh in as a regular user and check your logs
22:30<danct>i haven't created any users yet
22:31<kyhwana>(and make sure enablerootlogin is "yes" in the sshd config and see what your maxauthtries is
22:31<danct>trying to get in to set everything up
22:31<kyhwana>this is a cleanly installed linode you've just deployed now?
22:31<danct>yes, just deployed a few minutes ago
22:32<kyhwana>which distro?
22:32<danct>debian 6
22:32<kyhwana>huh, can you login via LISH?
22:32<kyhwana>also, pastebin your ssh output with a -v
22:33<danct>haven't tried yet
22:36<danct>can't login via LISH either
22:36<kyhwana>well, either somethings corrupted or you're entering your password in wrong
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22:37<kyhwana>reset your root password/reboot or try redeploying
22:38<danct>didn't have a chance to enter my password. i'll try redeploying. thanks for your tips!
22:39<kyhwana>wait, what do you mean you didn't get a chance to enter your password?
22:39<kyhwana>LISH should at least let you attempt to login as root and ask for a password
22:41<danct>gives me the same message
22:41<danct>Too many authentication failures for...
22:41<kyhwana>LISH is the console, it shouldn't be doing that
22:41<kyhwana>You're logging in with your correct login to lish? That should then show your "console"
22:42<kyhwana>linbot: lish
22:42*kyhwana smacks linbot "stupid bot
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22:44<danct>right, i'm trying to connect with ssh [lish-username]@[host-id]
22:44<danct>with credentials copied from my account
22:44<kyhwana>and your lish password?
22:44<kyhwana>(which is not your account login, nor your root login)
22:44<danct>it doesn't get that far
22:44<danct>just throws that error at me
22:45<kyhwana>pastebin the output of ssh -v or the debug log from your ssh client then?
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22:50<kyhwana>to both lish and root on your linode, I guess, because you should definetly be able to login to lish via ssh and get a terminal screen
22:51<fulcan>I am hoping someone here might know something about icecast. On a brand new setup, my users cannot hear a streaming broadcast. they can connect and it appears to be playing silence, but it's just broke. Now errors in any logs of interest or related. :(,9,79
22:53<kyhwana>fulcan: are you connecting a source to it properly?
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22:58<f499ea>how would i download my disk images?
22:58<dwfreed>f499ea: details how :)
22:59<f499ea>meh, rough
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22:59<dwfreed>as a note, you may want to shrink them first, so you're not downloading useless bits
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23:26<fulcan>I am hoping someone here might know something about icecast. On a brand new setup, my users cannot hear a streaming broadcast. they can connect and it appears to be playing silence, but it's just broke. Now errors in any logs of interest or related. :(,9,79
23:27<fulcan>kyhwana my bad
23:27<fulcan>I am using mixxx and it connect and shows at a mount point correctly.
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23:28<fulcan>I can see the datastream increase using iftop
23:28<fulcan>the client connects with vlc and looks perfect, just never plays.
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23:32<pronto> << running off raspberry pi lol
23:33*pharaun submits it to reddit/hn/slashdot
23:33<pronto>do it
23:33<pronto>though, i think the ssh tunnel would fuck itself before the pi went down
23:33<jchen>rofl you bought a .xxx
23:33<jchen>like $80?
23:33<pronto>or something
23:34<jchen>thats cray
23:34<pronto>and once renewed
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23:37<pronto> diffenrt info thing
23:38*tubaguy50035 learns about Linfo
23:38<pronto>linfo seems pretty neat
23:38<tubaguy50035>looks cool
23:39<rnowak>pronto: ddosing you with two raspberry pis
23:40<rnowak>not really, but that would have been fun ):
23:41<pronto><3 ssh tunnels
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.49784964, 0.13841937) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 434833 of 553376 (π ≈ 3.143128722604522 - 0.001536069014729). http://π
23:59<tubaguy50035>linbot, talk to me. What's got you all flustered today?
23:59<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
23:59<tubaguy50035>oh so NOW YOU RESPOND
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