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---Logopened Tue Mar 05 00:00:14 2013
00:00<Nightmare>I like turtles
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00:03<auraka>holy crap...just saw a cherokee web server default landing page through random surfing...that is like finding a unicorn
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00:03<ca>Every time I come back the channel and ops scale a great deal
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00:48<Solver>I like cornish pasties
00:49<dwfreed>I like pasties in general
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00:49<Solver>good point
00:49<Solver>so do I
00:49<KyleXY>heh
00:49<Solver>I missed aussie meat pies while I lived overseas
00:50*HedgeMage frowns at her sweet tooth
00:50<Solver>otoh Jamaican patties (available more on the eastern side of North America than the west) are great
00:50<Solver>by a crazy coincidence my wife is Jamaican so caribbean food features in our house quite a bit
00:51<Solver>so cute to watch our young duaghter tuck in to ox tail and curry goat, with rice and peas :)
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00:51<Solver>*daughter
00:51<chesty>nsfw http://www.getprice.com.au/images/uploadimg/495/_1_product_3260.jpg
00:51*Solver is at work so will check it out later, ta for the warning
00:52<dominikh>not worth it :P
00:52<Solver>hahaha
00:52<chesty>it's a picture of pasties
00:52<Nightmare>Ew
00:52<Nightmare>Agreed
00:52<@heckman>fake :/
00:53<HedgeMage>I'd just like to point out that: 1) I'm not the one who went there this time and 2) fake and WTF is it with women who look fragile? totally not hot on either count
00:53<nate>chesty: there's no nipples or areola, as far as TV would be concerned it's maybe TV-14 w/ an adult supervision warning, totally SFW
00:53<nate>>.>
00:53<nate>areola?
00:53<StevenK>Agreed, totally fake
00:53<nate>possible typoing
00:53*nate checks
00:54<nate>maybe not, I feel slightly more intelligent.
00:54<@mikegrb>lulz
00:54<KyleXY>lol,
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01:24<utterglee>hey guys
01:24<utterglee>good morning
01:25<utterglee>do you know of anything in linux that blocks emails from going out but logs them somewhere so I can see?
01:25<utterglee>I need to test a s/w that involves sending tons of mail to 'groups' of people
01:26<akerl>"Spam"?
01:26<utterglee>essentially, something like this http://drupal.org/project/maillog, only working on Linux
01:26<dwfreed>any broken mailserver will do that
01:26<utterglee>don't be so judgemental akerl :(
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01:26<tonyyarusso>utterglee: Just break your DNS
01:26<utterglee>this is actually a communications tool for a company, internal s/w
01:26<tonyyarusso>Otherwise, yes, you could do this with iptables
01:27<dwfreed>tonyyarusso: or your sending of mail; iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 25 -j REJECT --reject-with tcp-reset
01:27<utterglee>dwfreed, okay, and then I need to check the logs..? cool stuff, trying out
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01:27<dwfreed>yeah, just look at your mailserver's logs
01:28<tonyyarusso>It'll try to send it, fail, then "defer" the messages.
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02:47<ca>I'm not finding it in a search or admin; is there a way to migrate to a different data center?
02:47<kyhwana>ca: submit a ticket, I believe
02:47<Peng>staticsafe: an update: https://rdns.im/the-pirate-bay-north-korean-hosting-no-its-fake-p2
02:48<Peng>ca: kyhwana is correct
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03:07<kyrias>only me that don't have any ipv6 access or is something wonky?
03:07<kyhwana>kyrias: where?
03:07<kyrias>London
03:08<akerl>I don't have IPv6 access at my house
03:08<akerl>Well, not native
03:08<kyhwana>kyrias: whats your IP?
03:08<kyhwana>also pastebin a mtr
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03:09<dcraig>I can reach a london linode via ipv6 just fine
03:10<kyrias>v4 is 151.236.219.78 v6 should be 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe70:2110
03:10<kyrias>And never done a mtr
03:11<akerl>kyrias: Pastebin the output of `ip -6 addr` and `ip -6 route`?
03:12<dwfreed>kyrias: also `ip6tables-save` and `sysctl -a | grep forwarding`
03:12<kyhwana>kyrias: http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ etc
03:12<utterglee>xchat right click has all sorts of advanced functions, but no simple 'copy text'
03:12*utterglee facepalm
03:13<utterglee>Ctrl+C doesn't work of course
03:13<kyrias>http://pastebin.com/HcZtfPiN
03:13<akerl>click and drag, yo
03:13<kyhwana>kyrias: yeah, you don't have a ipv6 there
03:14<akerl>Yea, you aren't bringing up your address. I give 50/50 split to "blocking ICMP" and "Not accepting RAs"
03:14<akerl>Well, "Not accepting RAs because you have forwarding on"
03:14<dwfreed>and that's why I asked for the commands I asked for :D
03:15<kyrias>dwfeed any debian package for those? :p
03:15<akerl>?
03:15<dwfreed>kyrias: both should already be installed
03:15<retro|blah>mtr-tiny in debian
03:15<akerl>Both are pretty standard... does debian not have iptables utilities installed by default?
03:15<retro|blah>oh sorry
03:15<akerl>retro|blah: MTR isn't useful here
03:15<retro|blah>forgot we're way past that
03:16<kyrias>bleh. slow internets, sorry
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03:17<kyrias>http://pastebin.com/zdnBC6bk
03:18<akerl>Yea... You're dropping all v6 traffic not to/from localhost
03:18<akerl>Which, shockingly, is preventing the network from talking to you
03:20<kyrias>One might ask why it does that, since I just rebuilt it a few minutes ago
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03:20<akerl>? Did you install anything firewally?
03:20<akerl>modify and firewall settings?
03:20<akerl>etc etc
03:20<kyrias>I did not
03:21<kyrias>hmr, meh, might as well try rebuilding it
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03:24<akerl>kyrias: To note, your Linode's v6 address responds to ping now
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03:33<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56459#p56459>
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03:45<EugeneKay>Anybody familiar with keepalived?
03:47<chesty>nope
03:47<chesty>not one person
03:47<EugeneKay>That means I'm the local expert. yay!
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03:48<chesty>good, i have a question then. that's the capitol of south dakota?
03:49<EugeneKay>No clue
03:49<dwfreed>Pierre
03:52<EugeneKay>Hah, and my answer is in the man page.
03:52<EugeneKay>w00t w00t
03:54<Peng>EugeneKay: So...the other local expert is a computer?
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04:07<chesty>you would think twitter would have generic sql schema available, but no, everyone has to invent one themselves
04:07<dwfreed>chesty: https://github.com/asgoel/flask-twitter/blob/master/schema.sql
04:08<dwfreed>iirc, flaskr is even an official flask example
04:09<akerl>There isn't really much to "invent"...
04:09<akerl>That's pretty much as simple as schema gets, beyond key/value
04:09<chesty>thanks, that's very short, twitter has 100s of fields
04:09<chesty>akerl: yes, but you still have to type it all out
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04:11<supine>EugeneKay: I've used keepalived a lot but not in the last 4 years, though something tells me it hasn't changed much in the meantime
04:11<chesty>and you have to work out what type and how big a field needs to be
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04:14<EugeneKay>I'm just trying to sort out how to (sanely) deal with openvpn+keepalived for a LAN. notify_master/notify_backup look to be a suitable place to hook in for fiddling with NAT rules
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04:15<kuzetsa>EugeneKay: oh... you can just set it to 5
04:15<EugeneKay>Set what?
04:16<kuzetsa>I've found that "5" is an optimum value to use for openvpn & keepalived
04:16<chesty>11 is better, I'm not sure why you need keepalived for openvpn, I would have thought ospf would work ok
04:16<kuzetsa>five internets </trollish joking>
04:16<EugeneKay>:-/
04:16<EugeneKay>keepalived is running for the benefit of the LANs behind these router/gateways
04:17<supine>EugeneKay: if you want actions on state change then notify_X is a good way to hook that in
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04:17<EugeneKay>Yeah, I'm writing a short script to add/remove a few SNAT rules when running as BACKUP so that the routing back to clients on the secondary server works properly.
04:18<EugeneKay>The only reason it's a problem is I have openvpn clients with a LAN behind them, too. Yay, routing.
04:18<EugeneKay>Runnng a full-blown OSPF here would be overkill
04:19<supine>EugeneKay: just make sure the actions are deterministic and don't rely on any particular state being present
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04:19<supine>EugeneKay: because you'll never know for sure the sequence they will get called in, particularly if there is flapping
04:20<EugeneKay>Yeah, the script is gonna have a sanity check so it won't try to run more than every 5s
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04:21<EugeneKay>Actually.... I might be able to make this work with a bit of routing voodoo on the master node, via metric
04:23<Peng>http://library.linode.com/custom-instances/pv-grub-howto <- No Ubuntu 12.04? :(
04:23<EugeneKay>The 10.04 instructiosn oughta work well enough
04:23<akerl>If you're gonna go custom, go all the way :)
04:23<akerl>kernel.org bro
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04:26<Peng>EugeneKay: "oughta work well enough" -- my favorite
04:26<EugeneKay>:-D
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04:30<chesty>good enough for government work
04:32<Peng>Linode's 10.04 instructions definitely have differences from how EC2 handles 12.04. Whether those differences matter I do not know.
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04:32<Peng>(EC2 Ubuntu uses pv-grub by default.)
04:32<david_padlock>hey anyone here willing to help me with a quick grep command
04:32<david_padlock>im a total grep noob
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04:32<EugeneKay>I've never gotten a custom instance to work on EC2
04:32<Peng>I don't want to use a custom instance.
04:33<Yaakov>david_padlock: You should ask the question.
04:33<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56460#p56460>
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04:34<david_padlock>I need to grep - <6>[ 829.900000] usblp0:
04:34<david_padlock>where the part between the bracket changes
04:34<david_padlock>the guide I am looking at said - dmesg |grep "<6>usblp0"
04:34<david_padlock>but that wont do it
04:35<kyhwana>hmmm?
04:35<Peng>david_padlock: dmesg | grep '<6>' | grep usblp0
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04:36<david_padlock>Peng: great!!
04:36<david_padlock>Peng: thanks I will got test it but looks like its working!
04:39<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56462#p56462> || Kerrighed? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9845&p=56461#p56461>
04:39<david_padlock>and any idea how I could change PRINTEROFF="<6>usblp0: removed" to include the chaning part between brackets
04:39<david_padlock>this is a init script
04:39<Peng>oogh
04:39<Peng>grep in an init script?
04:42<Yaakov>grep "<6>\[ .*\] usblp0:"
04:42<Yaakov>Is more specific.
04:43<Yaakov>I would use Perl, personally.
04:44<chesty>you would use a pathological existential rubbish lister?
04:44<Yaakov>Eclectic.
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04:51<akerl>Peng: No script is complete without grep
04:51<Peng>akerl: *nix terrifies me
04:51*kyhwana also discovered mmv/mcp the other day. <3
04:52<Peng>what's dat?
04:52<Peng>oh, something cp and mv
04:53<Peng>Ah, I see.
04:53<Peng>apt++
04:53<kyhwana>Peng: Indeed!
04:53<akerl>cp -R $(ls | grep) /home/peng
04:53<akerl>In linux, the one with the most command substitution and pipes wins
04:54<kyhwana>I had a bunch of fio benchmarks named with what they were, ie <blocksize> <controller> <drives> etc, but using mcp I can copy the bits I want into a directory based on the simple regexes, etc
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05:15*EugeneKay says a few rude words about VirtualBox
05:19<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56464#p56464>
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05:40<starryeyed>I installed sendmail on my virtual machine, I would like to test it\
05:40<starryeyed>how do I do that? because a file containing <?php mail(); is hangind
05:40<starryeyed>s/hangind/hanging
05:40<starryeyed>I would just like to see if sendmail is the cause
05:42<starryeyed> ps aux | grep mail gives me: root 3017 0.0 0.5 15092 1972 ? Ss 08:31 0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections
05:42<starryeyed>so it would appear that's working...
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06:21<chesty>starry starry night
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08:43<@mikegrb>lulz
08:43<pronto>http://xkcd.com/1181/ lol'd
08:44<pronto>lulz'd
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08:54<@qmr>I use PGP to communicate with all of my friend that use PGP
08:55<linbot>New news from forum: Two Factor Authentication in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7639&p=56465#p56465>
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09:00<EugeneKay>The sort of people that use PGP tend not to have many friends
09:00<pronto>EugeneKay: thats the joke
09:01<EugeneKay>Blagh, why the heck do I still have the kernel package installed on this Linode
09:04<DrJ>how do we recover our username on the forums if we forgot it
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09:07<EugeneKay>Email?
09:09<EugeneKay>DrJ - I'm not a Linode employee. I was jsut throwing out an idea
09:09<DrJ>oh
09:09<DrJ>sorry
09:09<DrJ>well, not a big deal
09:09<DrJ>I just created another
09:09<DrJ>actually I don't even remember signing up in the first place
09:09<DrJ>but it insisted my email was in use
09:10<akerl>DrJ: Did you try using whatever phpbb's recover your shiz link is?
09:10<akerl>Ah, seems like both require a username/email combo
09:10<akerl>Could check your archived email?
09:10<linbot>New news from forum: Two Factor Authentication in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7639&p=56466#p56466>
09:11<DrJ>yea
09:11<DrJ>it requires username and email to get password
09:11<DrJ>no way to recover username
09:11<EugeneKay>I bet somebody with DB access could search up your username
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09:14<bibo>is this the help channel?
09:17<DrJ>for linode
09:17<DrJ>yes
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09:20<Karrde>!ops
09:20<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/
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10:24<EugeneKay>What's the trick to remove rDNs records? I thought it was to set them to the IP address, but they haven't gone away
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10:31<@heckman>EugeneKay: If you set it to the IP address the PTR becomes the IP.
10:31<@heckman>It doesn't return NXDOMAIN
10:31<EugeneKay>I thought that those were then reaped periodically by the panel
10:32<@heckman>That'd be news to me.
10:32<gparent>My workaround is kinda shit but you can always make a dummy A record.
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10:32<EugeneKay>That's basically what setting it to the IP does, without the extra A record
10:32<EugeneKay>It doesn't affect anything really, I just have now-unused IPv6s hanging around
10:33<gparent>kinda silly yeah
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11:16<colourbleu33>i know this is probably not the right place, however: I know theres some great gurus here; im looking to get the contents from <option value="Author"> when inside a select. In PHP im using a foreach to itirate over the attributes but i cannot figure out how to extract the contents of value='' I think its somehting like $params2->item($i)->getAttribute('value')
11:18<EugeneKay>This is POST data?
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11:41<eren>why are ssl certificates expensive? All they have to do is to securite the private key and sign it digitally
11:41<eren>s/securite/secure
11:41<EugeneKay>Artifical market.
11:42<EugeneKay>Look into StartSSL
11:42<eren>just because my browser does not recognize my self-signed certificate, I cannot secure my user's data
11:42<EugeneKay>Class 1(basic certs) are free, Class 2(wildcard, multiple domains) is $60 for the verification(two forms of ID are required), unlimited certs for a year(within reason).
11:43<eren>well, i will probably need wildcard and $60 is stil expensive
11:43<EugeneKay>Get a job, hippie. ;-)
11:44<trippeh>What you pay for (if paying at all) is them verifying your identity
11:44<eren>EugeneKay: it's not related with a 'job' or 'hipipness'
11:44<eren>even if I earn 10k, I will still think that it's expensive
11:45<eren>and PKI is just broken, we have seen from many examples. DigiNotar, Comodo, etc
11:45<trippeh>The "higher classes" of certs implies more trust and more thurough identity checks
11:45<EugeneKay>Yup, sure is. $60 is still the best price you're gonan get.
11:46<EugeneKay>You can start your own CA based around the principals of free as in beer for everybody, but good luck making enough money to keep it alive(and getting the certs installed in major browsers/OSes)
11:46<trippeh>Lets get DNSSEC and DANE up and running :)
11:46<eren>EugeneKay: yeah, these major browsers are pain in the arse
11:46<eren>demmit, PKI is just broken :)
11:47<trippeh>At least trust is pushed to the domain owner then
11:47<eren>trippeh: yeah, at least
11:47<trippeh>Rather than some random third parties
11:47<@heckman>eren: feel free to design, implement, and push a better system. I'm sure we'll all be very appreciative.
11:48<eren>heckman: you're right. But I'd prefer leaving it to the crypto experts.
11:48<trippeh>They are working on it
11:48<eren>#1 principle of Schneier
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11:48<linbot>New news from forum: Kerrighed? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9845&p=56467#p56467>
11:49<EugeneKay>If you don't need wilcard/subjectAltName, StartSSL's free tier is excellent
11:49<eren>leave it to the experts ;)
11:49<eren>s/;)/:)
11:49<trippeh>Mm. And SNI works with the free tier certs of course
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11:58<urrang>Hi, I'd like to order a linode server asap, but im a bit short on cash until the 15th. Does linode accept payment through a virtual mastercard like neteller? Ive got some money saved there.
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12:04<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56468#p56468>
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12:04<@qmr>urrang: If it is MC branded it ought to work
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12:10<urrang>Alright thanks
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12:14<sbyrne>manager.linode.com says my VM is running. I can ping the host (dallas326), but cannot ssh to the host nor can I connect to Lish via ajaxterm. Host problem?
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12:18<aphistic>does anyone have a vps in dallas that's acting weird right now?
12:18<EugeneKay>Nope. Mine are all in other DCs.
12:19<sbyrne>aphistic: I cannot connect to mine, nor can I ssh to the host, nor can I connect to lish on the web interface.
12:19<aphistic>mine is acting really weird. i was connected via ssh and in a tmux session, then i got some weird errors like my tmux had died. after that i couldn't do anything in a shell
12:19<aphistic>sbyrne: ok, that's what i'm finding
12:19<sbyrne>aphistic: Are you by any chance on dallas326?
12:20<aphistic>yup
12:20<sbyrne>Me too.
12:20<EugeneKay>!ticket
12:20<linbot>Sounds like ticket time! Your problem will probably be solved much faster by submitting a support ticket, rather than hoping to catch an employee's attention here.
12:20<aphistic>i figured the host must've gone down, but i wanted to make sure
12:20<EugeneKay>If you can't ping the host then it's probably the host
12:21<aphistic>oh, there's an emergency maintenance ticket already
12:21<EugeneKay>Well there you go
12:21<aphistic>21 seconds ago. way to be on top of it linode!
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12:28<warewolf><-- in dallas, on this system I'm IRCing from.
12:28<staticsafe>[SECURITY] [DSA 2639-1] php5 security update
12:31<EugeneKay>[SECURTY] php is installed
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12:38<lbotos>hi
12:39<sbyrne>aphistic: It is back up. I am thinking that $5/mo for backups is not a bad idea. (:
12:40<eren>someone just takes internet news too seriously. The guy spent his 3 hours detecting whether TPB is howted in North Korea or not, and he tried to explain BGP tricks that TPB implemented
12:40<eren>hehe
12:40<eren>s/howted/hosted/
12:41<EugeneKay>It's important internet stuff
12:43<eren>sure, http://xkcd.com/386
12:43<eren>nice trick from TPB
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12:46<@heckman>staticsafe: is that list Full Disclosure?
12:47<rylwin>The physical host of my linode went down ~30min ago. I got a message saying the problem was fixed ~15min ago, but my linode is still powered off. How long should it take for a "cold" boot?
12:47<@heckman>rylwin: that varies based on your position in the queue, amongst other things.
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12:48<rylwin>My only concern is that before I received the initial msg regarding the physical host going down, I entered a shutdown request via the Linode Manager. Do I need to be concerned about that shutdown command conflicting with the "Lassie initiated boot"?
12:49<rylwin>My linode has been stuck on "System Shutdown" for 30min now
12:49<@heckman>rylwin: potentially -- you could try updating your ticket to see if the job can be removed
12:49<rylwin>OK, will do. Thanks
12:50<rylwin>Do you happen to know the "worst case" time to reboot from a "cold start" of the physical host?
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12:53<tubaguy50035>Issues in atlanta? Seeing 44% packet loss from dallas to atlanta
12:53<tubaguy50035>reverse seems okay
12:54<lamex>hack the gibson
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12:56<aphistic>sbyrne: yeah, i've had backups turned on for awhile now and i don't regret it one bit :)
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13:05<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE
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13:11<staticsafe>heckman: debian-security-announce
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13:18<taylorleejones>Looking to clone a linode - getting an error that there's not enough free space on the new linode for the clone?
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13:20<@qmr>taylorleejones: Resize or remove disk images on the destination
13:21<@heckman>taylorleejones: when you clone, it needs to have the unallocated space for the the disk images on the destination Linode.
13:21<@heckman>So ideally you'd be cloning to a Linode that has no disk images / configuration profiles attached
13:21<taylorleejones>Trying to clone to a "brand new" linode that has no disk images attached.
13:22<taylorleejones>Screenshot of dashboard for destination linode - http://cl.ly/image/0d39303d021k
13:22<@heckman>Is the Linode you are cloning from bigger than the new one?
13:22<@heckman>As in: Is the source Linode's combined disk images larger than 24576?
13:23<taylorleejones>Ah - technically it's a larger linode, but the disk images are still smaller than the destination linode.
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13:23<taylorleejones>Screenshot of source linode - http://cl.ly/image/3a1c2R01382n
13:23-!-torpet is now known as torpet|away
13:23<taylorleejones>Actually...
13:23<@heckman>taylorleejones: are you sure about that?
13:23<@heckman>24576 - 163584
13:24<@heckman>-139008
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13:24<taylorleejones>*hangs head in shame*
13:24<@heckman><3
13:24<@heckman>If you can afford downtime on the other Linode, you can shrink the disk images down and clone.
13:25<@heckman>shrinking requires the Linode to be powered down
13:25<@heckman>It also does require that you do not have more than 24GB of used space internal to the disk image.
13:25<taylorleejones>We do need to shrink, but we won't be able to do that presently. I appreciate the advice guys.
13:25<taylorleejones>Definitely have less than 24GB in use - so that won't be a problem.
13:28<taylorleejones>Thanks for the help folks.
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14:15<TecnoBrat>ordered a raspberrypi!
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14:16<ghosticus>make it fly!
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14:42<squircle>!to torpet|away away
14:42<linbot>torpet|away: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html
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14:53<ghosticus>does not get the message
14:53<ghosticus>he's away
14:54<KyleXY>that's their second time they've been told that, from what I've seen
14:55<rnowak>SIGNAL THE ARTILLERY
14:55-!-torpet|away was kicked from #linode by heckman [disable your automatic nickname changer: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html]
14:56<@heckman>hm, probably should have said please
14:56<ghosticus>do guys think he'll come back?
14:56<linbot>New news from forum: php mail question re default smtp server in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9846&p=56469#p56469>
14:58<Peng>I wonder if away|torpet|away|away is a customer.
14:59<squircle>heckman <3
14:59<@heckman><3
14:59<@heckman>Peng: maybe he should have made his nickname torpet|away|customer
15:00*eren nudge
15:00*eren /nudge heckman
15:00<eren>:P
15:01<Peng>What if they leave Linode and come back a lot? Then it would be /nick torpet|away|customer, /nick torpet|customer, /nick ...
15:01<eren>I remember microsoft comic chat
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15:04<staticsafe>new SD card and rpi is back online \o/
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15:16<robert_>So we're migrating away from linode; Rudy seems to think that DNS is tied to a linode, rather than the account. I'm pretty sure that DNS and linodes are separate, right?
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15:17<Rudy>(he's asking if we can still use Linode for DNS after we close our VPSes)
15:17<staticsafe>no
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15:17<@heckman>robert_: they are separate, but if you have no active Linodes your zones go away
15:17<@heckman>They are still in the Linode Manager, but our name servers stop serving them.
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15:17<@heckman>To use the Linode DNS Manager you need at least one active Linode.
15:23<Yaakov>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE
15:23<Peng>Is your love deactivated for people who don't have active Linodes?
15:24<linbot>New news from forum: CPU well over 100% sustained in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=9844&p=56470#p56470>
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15:29<KyleXY>.whois robert_
15:29<KyleXY>erm
15:30*KyleXY slaps the . button
15:30*KyleXY shrugs and goes back to staring at his city
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15:38<Gnintendo>Is there a staff I can pm?
15:38<Gnintendo>This is regarding an IRC issue.
15:38<akerl>?
15:38<akerl>We don't run OFTC
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15:44<rnowak>ain't nobody gonna be spamming here, AIN'T NOBODY
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16:14<gbit>Hello, I'm having some issues with apache/mysql. Sometimes multiple instances of apache start, load average go up to 150, and it only solves when I restart apache. After this, InnoDB tables show as "in use" on phpmyadmin, and they only become available after I restart mysql. I look at logs but can't find what is doing this. Can anybody help me please?
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16:24<Skip44>Any using MongoDB on a linode 512? Thinking about moving some data from MySQL to MongoDB but have been told it uses alot of memory.
16:24<@caker>gbit: reduce MaxClients to 10 or 20, and disable KeepAlives, and then restart apache. Give that a shot
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16:26<gbit>caker, this will make my apache slow? Or is the time to think about an Linode upgrade?
16:27<seanh-corona>Skip44: mongo uses memory mapped files for storage
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16:30<@caker>gbit: no, it will make Apache fast. Most distros ship services, especially Apache for some reason, with very crazy defaults
16:30<Yaakov>Howdy, caker.
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16:30<Skip44>seanh-corona: so it depends on the size of the document?
16:31<seanh-corona>Skip44: basically
16:31<Maff>Hi, IPv6 connectivity appears to have suddenly and inexplicably disappeared from a linode I administrate in London
16:31<kyhwana>Maff: do you have a global ipv6 address on that box?
16:31<gbit>caker, I should set this on MPM configuration? Or in httpd.conf?
16:31<Maff>It was working perfectly before
16:32<Maff>so yes
16:32<@caker>gbit: in the configuration section for the MPM you are running
16:32<hawk>Maff: But it isn't working now... so something is different *somewhere*
16:32<@caker>Yaakov: hello
16:32<kyhwana>Maff: ... pastebin the output of "ip addr" and "route -6"
16:32<Maff>cycling eth0 down and up did nothing to restore connectivity, it has an uptime of 278+ days, and nobody but me logs into it
16:32<Yaakov>caker: Snowy.
16:32<@caker>none for us, yet.
16:32<kyhwana>Maff: also whats your v6 IP?
16:32<Yaakov>Icky snow here.
16:32<Yaakov>Ugly, ugly.
16:33<gbit>caker, sorry to ask that, but how can I now which I'm running?
16:33<Maff>http://pastie.org/private/mwrcvtivqwxr2009ehusw output of ip addr and route -6
16:33<@caker> apache2ctl -V | grep MPM
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16:33<Maff>the server should have IPv6 address 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:d7e2
16:33<gbit>caker, thanks
16:33<Maff>but it's mysteriously disappeared
16:33<kyhwana>Maff: so.. you don't have a public v6 IP on eth0.
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16:34<Maff>Not at the moment, however the server had been happily serving over IPv6 using the public address 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:d7e2 until today
16:34<akerl>Maff: Can you pastebin `ip6tables-save` and `sysctl -a | grep -i 'forwarding'`?
16:35<Maff>akerl: What would checking iptables and forwarding rules have to do with whether or not eth0 is assigned an IPv6 address?
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16:36<akerl>Maff: Because your /128 IPv6 address is brought up by SLAAC magic; yours isn't up and you have no default v6 route, and the most common causes are "you're blocking icmpv6" or "you have v6 forwarding on, which turns off accept_ras"
16:36<kyhwana>akerl: ahh, that's what it was. (From yesterday, I think it was)
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16:37<Maff>akerl: Ah, didn't know that. Checked, and somehow v6 forwarding had been enabled. Disabled it and cycled eth0, v6 connectivity's returned. Cheers.
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16:40<kyhwana>http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/post/44634822304/i-am-so-comically-angry-right-now
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16:53<nate>kyh: Ah the usual gripings of someone voicing their opinions as facts, surprise surprise :P
16:53<kyhwana>nate: what?
16:53<@mikegrb>lulz
16:53<nate>that guy who posted that, lol
16:53<kyhwana>She's right, however.
16:53<nate>guy/girl
16:54<nate>To an extent perhaps yes, but looking back through their older posts a lot of them are just opinions
16:54<akerl>...
16:54<akerl>As opposed to most blog posts, which are scientific studies?
16:54<nate>admittedly using strcmp() is kinda meh
16:54<nate>akerl: It's mostly the basis of it being PHP, which there are tons of blogs and people who throw off their opinions as fact against
16:55<nate>I'd rather see a blog blasting Java's constant core exploits instead, where's that at :P
16:55<akerl>-.-
16:55<nate>>.>
16:57<kyhwana>you mean besides all the pages telling you to uninstall java/the plugins, etc
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16:59<staticsafe>^
17:01<nate>kyh: Not quite equal in just going "This is bad, uninstall it" :P
17:01<nate>But true, at least it's some good advice
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17:30<EugeneKay>Jarva
17:31<Peng>Perrl
17:31<EugeneKay>wtf does php strcmp() even do
17:31<Peng>random number generator
17:31<Peng>EugeneKay: What?
17:32<Peng>EugeneKay: It compares strings, and can be unhelpful in the face of bad input and bad programmers.
17:32<EugeneKay>I mean, what the hell does the syntax mean
17:32<EugeneKay>How the shit can one string be "less than" another
17:32<EugeneKay>That is not how types work
17:33<Peng>>>> "EugeneKay" < "Peng"
17:33<Peng>True
17:33<Peng>Python++
17:34<shaunm>define an ordering of characters, then it's a simple lexicographic sort
17:34<shaunm>though unicode complicates life considerably
17:38<HoopyCat>>>> "HoopyCat" > "*"
17:38<HoopyCat>True
17:38*HoopyCat preens
17:39*EugeneKay sprays with hose
17:39<EugeneKay>Take that, cat.
17:41<kyhwana>!d
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17:45<EugeneKay>It's broke?
17:46<HoopyCat>it's winter
17:47<praetorian>ice ice baby.
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17:52<HoopyCat>~4 GB file to my laptop: 1.4 Mb/s. ~4 GB file to my linode: 76.8 Mb/s. ~4 GB file from my linode to my laptop: approx 12 Mb/s
17:52<HoopyCat>improving things by making them better, aw yeah
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17:54<Daevien>HoopyCat: i get about 600k/s currently. at my apartment i got 2.3Mb/s. of course, due to Rogers being a useless company, we still dont actually HAVE our home connection yet... (should be around 2.5Mb/s but we'll see)
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17:55<Daevien>600k/s on an old galaxy s (i9000, original S international version) isn't bad i guess :p
17:55<staticsafe>heh
17:56<HoopyCat>Daevien: i mostly want to install this goddamned thing, really
17:56<Daevien>i've got it on a tablet dta only plan and get first 2 months with no overageages. so um, yeah, used about 11gb so far since the 18th :p
17:56<Daevien>(my typing worse than ever, stupid ear infection)
17:57<HoopyCat>downloading a 4 GB file to my laptop is standing between me and building a microprocessor
17:57<Daevien>ah
18:00<Daevien>Rogers was supposed to move cable tv service, add phone & add cable internet (faster and cheaper than the dsl option, the fibre option not in the exact area i live in yet grr). Instead, they somehow screwed it all up and cancelled everything then ignored us for 2 days while we tried to figure out wtf they didn;t show up to connect it. We are supposed to get it all thursday, only a week late. we'll see what happens :p
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18:11<Daevien>http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/03/05/hugo-chavez-dead.html
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18:24<squircle>Daevien: are you trying to say you don't like Rogers, Canada's favourite company?
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18:26<staticsafe>haha
18:27*trippeh is currently having a little fight with his cable operator also
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18:28<trippeh>They refuse to offer more than 10Mbps outbound!
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18:28<trippeh>wtf
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18:29<gparent>do they have fiber in place
18:29<trippeh>Yes, their fiber goes to to basement in the apartment complex
18:29<trippeh>They could even just drop in some ethernet switches and use the cat5e thats here already for last mile ip ;)
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18:31<trippeh>And since fiber is terminated in basement, they can segment the coax at will if they hit saturation easily
18:33<Daevien>squircle: i used to work for a 3rd party for rogers. i hated them LONG before that, didn't get any better working for them
18:33<squircle>Daevien: you'd be hard pressed to find a Canadian that _likes_ Rogers
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18:33<ghosticus>i'm not canadian and even i don't like rogers
18:34<trippeh>Annoyingly I'm surrounded by FTTH operators at all sides, just not right here
18:34<trippeh>And they offer 200Mbps outbound for cheaper than 10Mbps outbound on the cable
18:34<trippeh>;)
18:35<trippeh>and 400 for just slightly more
18:37<trippeh>cable operator just told me to rather get involved in the "apartment complex politics" to get the ftth guys here rather than demanding stuff from them ;)
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18:39<Tea>My tmpfs is flooded with sess_* files, anyone know what they might have come from?
18:39<trippeh>Tea: PHP most likely
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18:39<Tea>hm.
18:40<Tea>lsof says they're not being used by anything. At least not now
18:41<trippeh>php only opens them if it needs to read or write anything session related
18:41<EugeneKay>Nuke them.
18:42<EugeneKay>Then configure APC to hold session datew
18:42<EugeneKay>data
18:43<Peng>Obviously you will be logging your website's users out.
18:43<Tea>hm
18:43<Tea>If I wasn't the only user that'd be a problem
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18:50<HoopyCat>2013-03-05 18:50:13 (1.05 MB/s) - `12.0sp2_263_quartus_free_linux.tar.gz' saved [3992999268/3992999268]
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18:51<HoopyCat>given a choice between one hour and twelve hours, pick one hour
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19:16<trippeh>re 2fa for manager thread on forum, even evernote will be doing 2fa now :P
19:16<trippeh>(wtf is evernote anyway?)
19:25<ghosticus>for notes
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19:35<Net147>caker: my root filesystem has become readonly again after I did forced fsck and repair in rescue mode yesterday. on dallas460 host.
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19:36<@caker>Net147: which Linode?
19:38<@caker>host looks fine, storage looks fine ... everything on our end looks great
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19:39<@caker>Net147: tune2fs -l /dev/xvda | grep -i 'block size'
19:40<Net147>caker: 4096
19:40<@caker>ok, that's fine
19:40<@caker>no clue -- I wouldn not first suspect this is something on our end ...
19:40<@caker>something writing random blocks to your device, by chance??
19:41<@caker>Net147: you're welcome to open a ticket and get migrated to a different host, if you think that might help
19:41<Net147>nothing has changed at all on the host except shutdown, resize disk image larger and bootup again
19:42<@caker>think the newer kernel has an ext3 bug ?
19:42<Net147>perhaps
19:42<Net147>the kernel did boot with newer version
19:42<@caker>I'm certain we would have heard about this by now -- but perhaps you are the only one tickling it
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19:47<Net147>caker: i'll try switching from 3.7.10 to 3.7.5 kernel and force fsck again
19:47<@caker>ok - please let me know how it goes
19:49<Peng>So...got backups? o_O
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19:50<Net147>I have backup every 6 hours
19:50<@wblew>I didn't find any known bugs with the kernel.
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19:59<Net147>do I need nobarrier for /?
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20:00<@caker>you would if not running one of our kernels. We patch our kernels to default barriers to off . Which was the default behavior of Linux up until a few revisions ago (before the switch to 3.x, I think)
20:01<@caker>some our hosts run a Xen that does not support barriers, and Xen guests don't handle that situation.
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20:01<@caker>you're not forcing barriers on, ar you?
20:01<Net147>no
20:01<Net147>is it a kernel config option or is the patch in the source code?
20:02<@caker>it's not an option, so we patch
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20:04<Net147>I see this in dmesg - blkfront: xvda: barrier: enabled. is that fine?
20:07<@caker>I'm not sure.
20:07<@caker>blkfront may think barriers are fine ... so that might be red herring
20:08<Net147>well it says EXT3-fs: barriers not enabled. so I guess filesystem is mounted without barriers
20:08<Peng>thought you didn't patch anymore? :p
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20:13<amitz>improving ui/ux ftw! ;-)
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20:20<kyhwana>http://labs.apnic.net/blabs/?p=309 -.-
20:21<amitz>what?! cc number is sent to your server on https://manager.linode.com/account/creditcard . is linode pci-dss compliant?
20:23<ghosticus>having the last 4 digits does not require pci compliance
20:26<amitz>the form page to enter the full number submits to linode server. it doesn't matter that linode doesn't store it.
20:27<staticsafe>kyhwana: wow that post
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20:28*kyhwana fallsover
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20:28<@caker>amitz: huh?
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20:30<chesty>caker: amitz is an ENTERPRISE pci-dss coder
20:30<amitz>caker: the form, if i read the html correctly, submits the cc number to linode server. at no time should a full card number touched linode's server.
20:30<amitz>touches
20:31<jed>man, the enterprise joke is still kickin', eh
20:31<staticsafe>the enterprise never dies
20:32<@caker>whose server can it touch then?
20:32<amitz>fwiw, many merchants do that anyway, but you should set the bar higher ;-)
20:33<Peng>Wait, you mean you don't store all your credit card details in an Excel spreadsheet on your Linode?
20:33<@caker>it's an ascii text file netcated to all the webservers
20:33<jed>he might be thinking of the square approach, where javascript is used to sidestep the serving app entirely
20:33<amitz>your payment processor. But if you want to keep the user experience consistent (not having to redirect to merchant's payment page), stripe has a solution.
20:34<jed>or stripe, yeah, I always confuse those two
20:35<amitz>chesty: i'm also ex-part-time-pci-dss-ENTERPRISE-auditor
20:36<amitz>-who-lives-in-a-bat-cave
20:36<Peng>Is storing credit card numbers in bat caves allowed?
20:37<ghosticus>NO
20:37<amitz>only if firewalled by guano.
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21:16<trippeh>/dev/xvdc on / type btrfs (rw,noatime) let the dataloss begin!
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21:18<Typo>hey everyone :) ... i think my server expires in 9 days, when will I recieve an invoice for the next year?
21:19<kyhwana>aren't linodes billed at the start of every month? (I havn't recieved a second invoice for my yearly linode yet)
21:20<Typo>Im totally not sure, thats why im asking, all i know is I payed for a year on March 14, 2012 so it should be soon I would guess
21:21<Typo>I know I can add credit to the account but I would much prefer an actual invoice
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21:23<kyhwana>caker should know, or anyone else who's had a yearly node for a while :P
21:23<Nightmare>Typo: I paid for one of my Linodes on July 11th, 2012 and I don't have a payment due again for it until August 1st. Perhaps the same case here.
21:23<Nightmare>(except different months ofc)
21:23<kyhwana>Right, i'm pretty sure you pay whats left of that month too and then it renews on the 1st of the month?
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21:25<Typo>wonder if I can request an invoice right now, ide love to get it payed while I have it
21:25<Nightmare>Typo: If you want to be sure, you can go to the account tab in the Linode manager, and then the billing history tab. If you click on the invoice it should say the date of service it covers
21:25<Nightmare>Typo: You can also prepay for services on the account tab -> make a payment
21:26<Typo>yeah but I dont know what the total will be, ill shoot em an email and request an invoice early if its possibe, i do have a faint memory of paying through the first month and then a year so im sure your all righ and it will bill on april 1
21:27<Typo>yep, billing page confirms it
21:27<Nightmare>Typo: What plan is it? 512?
21:27<Typo>yup
21:28<Nightmare>You should be billed for $216 then
21:29<Typo>:), sounds good excpet the 'should' part, im shooting them an email so ill verify if thats the ammount to send, tanks
21:30<Nightmare>Submarines
21:30<Kane_>is there a way to make private variables in ~/.bashrc ?
21:31<amitz>oh, i don't know the choicesnfor merchants but for some class of institution, if you don't have pci-dss compliance, for each cc number leaked, you will be charged gazillion dollars.
21:31<HoopyCat>Kane_: don't export them, i believe
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21:32<Kane_>HoopyCat, i'm not: ``a=1`` then within my shell, ``echo $a`` will print '1'
21:32<Kane_>not the end of the world
21:32<Kane_>but i'd rather not pollute the globals with my shit
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21:32<HoopyCat>Kane_: unset a :-)
21:33<HoopyCat>been awhile since i've poked at .bashrc, but it's entirely possible you're not crazy
21:33<Kane_>i'd rather pollute globals than unset everything xD
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21:34<Kane_>ah, even without ``export``, the variable will remain in scope for the same process/interactive session
21:34<StevenK>Yes
21:34<StevenK>If you want to make them private, fork a subshell
21:35<Kane_>nah, i'll just keep my '__' prefixes for private vars
21:35<Kane_>that'll do
21:35<HoopyCat>or do it in a function?
21:36<HoopyCat>see also 'local' builtin
21:37<Kane_>yeah, i could wrap it up in a function
21:38*HoopyCat builds FPGA image idly
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22:12<Typo>hey Nightmare
22:13<Typo>its $215.46 so you were pretty much spot on
22:13<Peng>19.95 * 12 * 0.9
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22:40<ilikevanilla>how easy is it to upgrade a linode to more resources?
22:41<@caker>click button, resize disks, boot
22:42<@caker>http://library.linode.com/resizing
22:42<ilikevanilla>thanks
22:43<linbot>New news from forum: Two Factor Authentication in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7639&p=56471#p56471>
22:43<ilikevanilla>do you know what the plans for linode manager after beta?
22:44<kyhwana>?
22:44<chesty>i guess that's the managed service beta
22:45<ilikevanilla>yes
22:45<@caker>the plan is for it to be a great service to people that need it
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22:56<praetorian>as opposed to a not-great service?:-)
22:57*caker shrugs
23:02<pharaun>there's a managed services now?
23:03<staticsafe>its in beta
23:03<chesty>a closed beta
23:03<pharaun>heh
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23:06<chesty>debian with FDE here I come
23:07<chesty>just waiting for the backup to finish, my internet went down last night and the backup was interrupted
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23:17<Peng>"FDE"?
23:17<chesty>full disk encryption
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.48068693, 0.41460438) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 434925 of 553484 (π ≈ 3.143180290667842 - 0.001587637078049). http://π.hoopycat.com/
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