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---Logopened Wed Mar 27 00:00:15 2013
---Daychanged Wed Mar 27 2013
00:00<staticsafe>heckman: from a rackspace server nonetheless
00:00<@heckman>already reported, heh
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00:00<staticsafe>i gave up on doing that
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00:04<jchen>catch-22: best way to install salt is to distribute the packages i built myself, but that would require salt-minion on the target vm's
00:05*staticsafe likes ansible
00:05<jchen>salt is my first foray into "infra management" tools
00:05<staticsafe>ansible is nice because it uses SSH
00:06<staticsafe>i don't have to install another daemon
00:06<jchen>i've looked at puppet and chef, but seem to be way more complicated than my patience allows atm :P
00:06<gparent>Ive been starting up with puppet, it's pretty nice
00:06<jchen>i'll take a look at ansible
00:07<staticsafe>also the OVH BHS fibre cut has been repaired and links are operational
00:08<jchen>woo 10mB/s
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00:08<dioz>does anyone remember this
00:09<jchen>its funny because apparently LET is trying to stage a coup against chief now
00:09*jchen shrugs
00:09<@akerl>I enjoy watching the LET scene like I enjoy visiting the zoo
00:10<dioz>heh likepaying $20 a month for 20GB?
00:10<jchen>i guess i like feeding the zoo animals a little more than akerl does
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00:10<dioz>what made linode decide to do the dramatic increase in services they did?
00:11<@akerl>We've been offering increases in resources since we opened
00:11<jchen>because.... linode could?
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00:11<@akerl>It's been happening since before LET was even a dream
00:11<jchen>linode has a pretty good history of turning around and reinvesting in their product
00:11<jchen>i dont think you can really say that about most providers from LET
00:11<dioz>^ blanket statement
00:12<jchen>which part
00:12<@akerl>dioz: Yes, most LET providers end up dead and swept under a blanket in 6 months or so
00:12<dioz>"most providers from LET"
00:12<dioz>virpus, amerinoc
00:12<dioz>i can name a few
00:13<dioz>*shrug* i was just wondering why such dramatic increases and free trials being e-mailed out to old subscribers
00:13<@akerl>Because we rock?
00:13<jchen>you're right, screw upgrading
00:14<dioz>i would wager it's something else
00:14<dioz>ie. loss of business/subscriber base
00:14<staticsafe>gee i wonder
00:14<@akerl>dioz: I work for Linode, so I can conclusively say we rock
00:14<@akerl>I've met me, and I'm pretty awesome
00:14<jchen>dioz: you're right, linode decided to invest a lot of money to upgrade their large infrastructure on a whim
00:15<dioz>i'm right?
00:15<dioz>is that the official position on the matter?
00:16<staticsafe>dioz: please take your trolling elsewhere
00:16<jchen>i mean, it's pretty obvious you came in here trolling for an argument, so yeah
00:16<jchen>whatever makes you happy, brony
00:16<jose>Hello everybody
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00:16<dioz>jchen: speaks for the company?
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00:16<dioz>you're the official voice of linode?
00:17<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
00:17<dioz>so no then...?
00:17<XReaper>akerl is pretty awesome
00:17<XReaper>more awesome than jchen
00:17<@akerl>dioz: As the official voice of Linode, no, you are not correct
00:18<praetorian>jchen wasnt assume enough for linode
00:18<praetorian>er awesome
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00:19*praetorian pats jchen
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00:21<jchen>should work ok for debian 6 x86
00:21<raylu>my account is a subaccount (i think) and i'd like to create a linode on my own billing. is that possible without creating a new account?
00:21<@akerl>raylu: No
00:21<jchen>get your account owner to open a ticket for transfer
00:21<@akerl>"create a Linode"
00:21<@akerl>so just make it on the new account
00:21<jchen>right yeah
00:21<raylu>well, i haven't made a new account yeah
00:21<sirpengi>i've met akerl i believe, i vouch for his awesomeness
00:22<jchen>doit, promise rainbows and unicorns
00:22<jchen>and lassie
00:22<@akerl>sirpengi: Indeed :D
00:22<dwfreed>I work with him, so do I :)
00:22*staticsafe nods
00:22<praetorian>and ponies?
00:22<dwfreed>akerl: ♥
00:22<Nightmare>so much loves
00:22<praetorian>bro love
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00:24<jchen>i can vouch akerl's dayman-fighting abilities
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00:26<jchen>hmm, i thought backports was moved to the official repos
00:26<jchen>i guess utexas doesn't have it yet
00:27<jchen>anyone know a better debian mirror for dallas linodes
00:27<retro|blah>i heard that was gonna be the plan starting with wheezy
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00:28<jchen>oh really?
00:28*jchen checks the mlist
00:28<dioz>forsomeone who pretends to sound smart
00:29<XReaper>jchen: use the automated script
00:29<XReaper>finds the closest debian mirror
00:29<chesty>can anyone join the troll fest?
00:29<@akerl>chesty: You need a golden ticket
00:29<XReaper>dioz: there was one in the debian repos
00:31<jchen>but my question was for backports
00:31<dwfreed>jchen: chicago is damn fast for dallas
00:32<jchen>yeah steadfast is the one netselect picked
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00:33<dwfreed>also some stuff in Seattle, if it mainly runs over networklayer transport, is also really fast
00:33<jchen>yeah i guess backports isn't in squeeze :(
00:33<dioz>XReaper: i was trying not to be debian specific
00:33<jchen>dwfreed: gotcha
00:34<XReaper>Is the security repos still only in one location?
00:34<jchen>seems to be the case
00:34<jchen>it's only i think
00:34<XReaper>I'll have to give that to my loluni's lolIT to whitelist then :p
00:35<dwfreed>volatile is the one distributed on regular mirrors as of squeeze
00:35<dwfreed>and is meant for things like anti-virus detection definitions, etc.
00:35<jchen>sparrow can't seem to find the email when searching for backports
00:35<XReaper>It's a pain to find mirrors for sparc
00:35<jchen>i -swear- there was mention for backports being merged into $release's mirrors
00:35<dioz>^ true
00:36<G>jchen: there was, for Debian 7 onwards iirc
00:36<jchen>yeah i guess so
00:36<jchen>they say wheezy is set to be release during easter-ish
00:36<XReaper>Ie, this weekend?
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00:37<jchen>i guess, idk when easter is
00:37<dioz>my residential gateway won't traverse protocol 41 traffic... any suggestions?
00:38<XReaper>Screw x86... Linod should deploy sparc linodes! :p
00:38<dioz>considering sixxs won't respond to my e-mails
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00:40<jchen>The key glob * does not match any unaccepted keys.
00:43<jchen>oh wait derp
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00:43<dwfreed>dioz: if you can't send proto 41 traffic through your modem, you'll need to use a VPN or just beat the crap out of your ISP until they give you a better modem
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00:43<dwfreed>you should steer clear of modems that include their own router, as they're often really crappy
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00:46<dioz>dwfreed: like gre/pptp
00:46<dwfreed>that'd work
00:46<dwfreed>or openvpn
00:46<jchen>maybe i'm doing it wrong, but at this point i feel like I do as much work setting up for salt as the normal vm set-up salt is supposed to replace
00:46<dwfreed>jchen: ansible
00:46<jchen>yeah yeah
00:47<dioz>openvpn is WAY too much overhead
00:47<dioz>isn't it?
00:47<dwfreed>not really
00:47<dwfreed>not any more than pptp or gre is
00:48<@akerl>jchen: The idea is that salt lets you do the work once and use it perma
00:48<@akerl>Ansible has been very freeing in that I no longer have to worry about borking my systems. If I trash one, I just hit rebuild and re-ansible it
00:48<dwfreed>no matter what you'll have IP packets with TCP or UDP inside, with the VPN magics inside that, and then another IP packet in that, with your IPv6 traffic in that
00:49<dwfreed>yo dog, I heard you like encapsulation
00:49<jchen>akerl: right, but it's so much work to get salt-minion installed
00:49<jchen>at least on debgian
00:49<XReaper>woop time to bitch at my unis it
00:49<jchen>maybe if salt-bootstrap worked... lol
00:49<@akerl>Does their magic install script not work?
00:50<jchen>oh, i guess you weren't here for my rage-out
00:50<jchen>no, it doesn't, because it relies on an outdated third party repo
00:50<@akerl>Have you hit them up on IRC?
00:50<jchen>which breaks build-essential
00:50<jchen>there's already a PR on github
00:50<jchen>but i did leave a message
00:51<@akerl>Where on github?
00:51*akerl can't find on salt or salt-bootstrap
00:52<@akerl>Oh, an issue
00:52*akerl was looking in PR
00:52<jchen>oh my bad
00:53<jchen>i guess another third party is working on a repo
00:53<jchen>i guess salt just doesn't like debian enough, which is pretty surprising
00:53<@akerl>The creator is an Arch user :)
00:53<jchen>as much as i love arch i don't really like running it on servers anymore
00:54<jchen>hence my previous reference to kerosene-powered cheese graters
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00:57<dioz>well i got no where near the rise out of this channel i was trying
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00:57<dioz>i also kind of got bored part way through my trolling and didn't feel like being as big of a ass as i originally intended
00:58<jchen>this isn't #lowendtalk, people actually have brejns
00:58<dioz>i'm banned from there
00:58<jchen>wow, what a surprise
00:58<kyhwana>no shit?
00:58<dioz>wi11iam doesn't like me
00:58<chesty>does anybody?
00:59<dioz>chesty: my mom loves me ;]
00:59<jed>proper trolls never announce that they're trolling
00:59<jed>gbt troll school
00:59<jchen>> implying proper troll
00:59<chesty>speaking of trolls, hi jed
00:59<jed>did I miss an opportunity?
01:00<chesty>it's a jedly day today
01:02<SaberUK>so i issued a reboot 10 minutes ago and i'm still waiting on it. is something broken?
01:02<retro|blah>What part is it stuck on
01:02<jchen>SaberUK: check list
01:02<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
01:02<SaberUK>System Shutdown Entered: 10 minutes 23 seconds ago - Waiting...
01:02<chesty>ticket time
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01:02<jed>suggest waiting a bit longer
01:02<XReaper>SaberUK: is it shutting down?
01:03<jchen>look at lish, see if it's your system
01:03<XReaper>Don't do what I do and call 'destroy'
01:03<jchen>there should be a timeout where linode just does xm destroy
01:03<jed>there is
01:03<jchen>i dont think you hit it yet
01:03<dwfreed>SaberUK: what host are you on?
01:03<@akerl>It's at 2 minutes or so
01:03<SaberUK>lish is just showing a flashing cursor and no text
01:03<jed>if the host is paying attention
01:03<@akerl>SaberUK: Any open tickets?
01:03<dwfreed>^ that too
01:04<SaberUK>there is one, thanks.
01:04<XReaper>you're migrating?
01:04<jed>the bit that pays attention to that makes a loud noise when it fails, they notice pretty quickly
01:04<SaberUK>"Our administrators have detected an issue affecting the host your Linode resides on. We're working to resolve the issue at this time, and we will update you once we have more information."
01:04<jed>ding ding ding
01:05<jed>for the record, shutdown issues CAD, sleep(120), pulls the plug
01:06<jed>useful information if you're doing clever kernel jimmie rustling and not necessarily paying attention to CAD
01:06<jed>(in which case 'destroy' in LISH is your pal)
01:06<XReaper>I use destroy with broken kernels
01:06<dwfreed>generally inittab will run shutdown -r now on CAD, though you can always change this
01:07<XReaper>dwfreed: ever got a hardened-sources kernel working on gentoo?
01:07<dwfreed>never bothered
01:07<XReaper>mine won't boot
01:07<chesty>XReaper: it's broken
01:07<dwfreed>first question, though: 512, or larger?
01:07<XReaper>chesty: thought so
01:07<dwfreed>I bet I know what it is
01:07<dwfreed>one moment
01:07<chesty>XReaper: gentoo i mean
01:07<chesty>in general
01:08<@akerl>I bet it's PEBKAC
01:08<XReaper>chesty: no, the hardened-sources kernel IS broken. some idiot forgot an #IFDEF PCI
01:08<chesty>XReaper: no, gentoo in general is broken
01:09<jed>in concept and implementation
01:09<chesty>there's only one good thing about gentoo, it attracts people like XReaper away from the one true distro, debian
01:09<jed>too bad detailed statistics aren't collected, a carbon footprint of all the compile cycles wasted by gentoo worldwide would be interesting
01:09<jed>and would probably be roughly equivalent to all air traffic for a day
01:09<dwfreed>XReaper: set PHYSICAL_START AND PHYSICAL_ALIGN to 0x100000
01:10<XReaper>dwfreed: Oh, that's what's causing the kernel panic?
01:10<XReaper>I'll have to spin up a new linode to test it tho
01:10<XReaper>lol, effort
01:10<dwfreed>or boot into the linode kernel?
01:10<SaberUK>jed: but without the extra 0.1% perf increase my computer would be _unusable_
01:10<XReaper>Nah, I've got stuff on here people will get shitty about if i reboot
01:11<XReaper>dwfreed: currently on a linode kernel
01:11<dwfreed>XReaper: high availability
01:11<jed>you probably don't even get a perf increase
01:11<XReaper>it's an ircd
01:11<XReaper>people get shitty if i netsplit
01:11<SaberUK>XReaper: which ircd?
01:11<jchen>why does vim still do 4 space <tab> if this is in my .vimrc:
01:11<dwfreed>XReaper: tell them to shut up; downtime is a fact of life
01:11<XReaper>dwfreed: Lo
01:11<SaberUK>pfft, inspircd is better. /biased
01:12<dwfreed>SaberUK: nop
01:12<jed>jchen: is ai set?
01:12<jed>you might be pushing return, getting the ai indent, then pushing tab without realizing it
01:12<jchen>autoindent is set, but i dont think its that
01:12<@akerl>jed: There are like 10 tab related options in vimrc
01:12<jed>ts=2 sts=2 sw=2 noet is usually enough, though, unless your filetype plugin is overriding
01:12<@akerl>softtab expandtab
01:13<jchen>hmm, you're right
01:13<XReaper>dwfreed: so what, take a 0 off the PHYSICAL_START et al and it'll be fine?
01:13<jchen>it does seem to be an autoindent issue, as <tab>=2 within a line, while newline is 4
01:13<jed>filetype plugin
01:13<jed>I don't let filetypes indent, I just use ai
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01:13<jed>do you have a filet directive elsewhere in your vimrc?
01:14<jed>hm, I never committed my "stop letting filetypes indent" change, but here:
01:14<dwfreed>filetyp indent off
01:14<jchen>103 filetype plugin indent off
01:14<jchen>its already off...
01:15<jchen>nvm found a duplicate setting of ts sts sw
01:15<jchen>i need to clean up my vimrc
01:17<jed>if you forget nocp all kinds of shit behaves weird, too
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01:17<jed>I didn't have nocp in mine for a long time and was like "huh?" a lot
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01:21<jchen>omg salt uses jinja2 <3 <3 <3
01:22<jed>too bad their choice of web font makes me puke
01:22<jchen>yeah, nexa light isn't too hot
01:22<jchen>source sans pro mayne
01:22<jchen>all day
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01:24<jchen>akerl: guess who is going to a sushi buffet tomorrow for lunch
01:24<jchen>(if i wake up early enough)
01:25<@akerl>I'm very jealous, though I did have sea urchin nigiri while we were at pycon
01:25<jchen>dude uni is baller
01:25<jed>akerl: has caker taken you to mall sushi
01:25<jchen>wats mall sushi
01:26<jed>caker's favorite sushi place is in a mall near linode
01:26<@akerl>npegg/heckman didn't like the uni, but I thought it was legit
01:26<jed>sounds worse than it is
01:26<jchen>dude uni is baller
01:26<pronto>ooo, now i know where to stalk him at , tahnks jed :D
01:26<jchen>its probably my favorite
01:26<jchen>next to toro
01:26<Gnintendo>Have very many people been moved to the nextgen hardware yet?
01:27<jchen>"fatty tuna" is the englishization
01:27<jchen>Ōtoro (大とろ): fattiest portion of Bluefin tuna belly
01:27<fezziwig>I have an Ubuntu server - how can I tell which mail program I have installed?
01:27<danblack>does 17min to resize a 250G ext3 and still going sound plausable?
01:27<jed>up or down?
01:28<jed>maybe, yeah
01:28<fezziwig>I am getting a message: -bash: mail: command not found -- so I'm thinking I might not have any mail program installed
01:28<jchen>mail is part of mailx iirc
01:28<jchen>or maybe postfix
01:28<danblack>jed: ok thanks. up by 128G ish.
01:29<jchen>apparently its mailutils?
01:29<dwfreed>probably fscking
01:29<jchen>i dont think the resize actually takes that long, so yeah fsck
01:29<jchen>danblack: check lish
01:29<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
01:30<fezziwig>jchen if it's postfix, how do I test?
01:30<dwfreed>jed: Mount Fuji is the new favorite, I believe
01:30<jchen>mail seems to be in mailutils
01:30<jchen>i think apt-cache is the command you're looking for
01:30<dwfreed>jchen: lish wouldn't be helpful; the resize job itself does a fsck
01:30<StevenK>As well
01:30<jchen>ah right
01:30<jed>that's the place down WHP toward AC, right?
01:30<jchen>its the one thats in "downtown"
01:30<jed>never been
01:31<jed>yeah, absecon, not galloway, I remember
01:31<danblack>dwfreed: ah. thought i'd fudged the fsck bits.
01:31<danblack>jchen: can't afaik server's shutdown
01:31<jchen>danblack: i was talking to fezziwig sorry
01:31<fezziwig>jchen I am confused - mail command not found
01:32<fezziwig>maybe I have no mail server!
01:32<jchen>you probably dont?
01:32<fezziwig>is postfix good?
01:32<@akerl>Did you set one up?
01:32<fezziwig>a friend set up my server ;)
01:32<@akerl>Did your friend set one up?
01:33<fezziwig>ha ha I am trying to find out ;)
01:33<jchen>postfix is a pretty good start
01:33<danblack>dwfreed: yeh. i did fudge the mount counts and disable the time interval for fsck.
01:34<dwfreed>doesn't matter; the resize job always runs a fsck, as resize2fs will complain if it's not 100% clean
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01:34<jchen>hmm, doesn't look like salt states does pkg.uninstall/purge
01:34<fezziwig>oh "postfix is already the newest version" so I guess I already have it
01:34<fezziwig>yet mail command not found
01:35<danblack>dwfreed: ok. guess i'll just wait and see... only 4mins over my maintaince window so far :-)
01:35<dwfreed>danblack: fscking 250 GB volumes, especially when they're filled with 250 GB of data, takes a long time
01:35<jed>awfully narrow window
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01:36<danblack>though the bottle neck was going to be a 512m -> 1G resize (different server).
01:36<danblack>any wags on time now? 93% of 250 was used.
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01:38<linbot>New news from forum: 1GB Linode - Apache Worker MPM/FCGID/Max concurrent in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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01:42<danblack>28mins 30 seconds apparantly
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01:42<danblack>thanks folks
01:44<jchen>hf with your upgraded linode :p
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01:51<eagles0513875>hey guys :)
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01:52*eagles0513875 needs to figure out how to enable dns blacklists on postfix
01:52<eagles0513875>i think in my case dns black lists are not going to be sufficient for me :(
01:53<dwfreed>spamhaus helps a lot
02:00<hume>hey, there's no harm to giving false name/address to domain hosts (namecheap/godaddy), right? I don't like that my address/name ends up on weird pages... and I'd rather not keep spending money on whois guards, etc.
02:01<kyhwana>youre meant to supply correct info, but i imagine lots of people dont
02:01<chesty>hume: you can lose your domain that way, you probably won't, but if someone wants it, they can file a complaint
02:01<hume>well of course I'm 'meant' to. I'm asking, are there good reasons that I really should?
02:01<kyhwana>if youre worried about angry religious people blowing you up, lie away
02:01<kyhwana>or pay for whois guard
02:02<@akerl>hume: If you give them false data and somebody wants to get your domain or take your domain away from them, you are giving them a great way to do so
02:03<hume>second question: if I don't have whois guard now (and, searching for me e-mail address on google sadly does give me about 50 results.. on sites like which apparently just scrape this kind of data. Am I done for? or do you think after a while I can expect it to go away (google won't show old/useless results?)
02:03<hume>hmmm, ok
02:03<@akerl>What are you worried about?
02:04<hume>I like having privacy, that's all. I'd rather that my e-mail/address/phone no. not be publicly available for the world
02:04<dwfreed>email addresses are plastered all over the internet all the time; this is what spam filters are for
02:04<@akerl>hume: Too late
02:05<hume>yeahhhh I think so too. *grumpy face*
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02:05<eagles0513875>dwfreed: question is what will happen to the emails that are black listed?
02:05<eagles0513875>will they just get discarded by postfix
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02:05<hume>it doesn't help that I've a pretty unique name and am quickly identifiable for a lot of reasons :( oh well, I guess I'll have to learn to livew ith it
02:06<eagles0513875>dwfreed: i am wondering if a clamav amavis spamassassin setup migth be better in addition to the black lists
02:06<eagles0513875>hume: you know you can hide your info from whois
02:06<dwfreed>hume: I have a ham radio license; I'm required by law to provide the FCC with a valid mailing address, which is subsequently publicly available
02:06<eagles0513875>dwfreed: im guessing you tried a spam radio and that didnt work to well :p
02:06<@akerl>The trick is to be unpleasant enough that nobody wants to find you, but not so unpleasant that people want to find you
02:08<hume>if you run even a moderately popular site, you're pretty much guaranteed to get harassed at one point or another
02:08<dwfreed>welcome to the internet
02:08<GLaDOSDan>Your Linode is currently -Running- 420 days uptime
02:08<hume>that you can do little to prevent that (i.e. taking preventing measures in the beginning) is near impossible, just sucks sucks sucks
02:08<GLaDOSDan>'s a sign
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02:09<KyleXY>hume: you can buy whois protection, bro
02:09<dwfreed>KyleXY: it's a bit late if you don't do that from the start
02:09<hume>well, I guess you could take preventive measures -- my mistake was having my real name as e-mail address ( ... - and if you fail to have whois protection even once, you're done
02:09<@akerl>Yea, that'll stop people from looking up your info from any of the other 9000 sources
02:09<KyleXY>dwfreed: oh well, better late than never
02:10<hume>KyleXY: thing is.. I did buy whois protection, but I forgot to set it to default on. it just expired without making a noise (I use namecheap)
02:10<GLaDOSDan>gg indeed
02:10<KyleXY>I use Gandi, it's a standard feature that doesn't need to be paid for :)
02:10<@akerl>Yes, because you're paying 3x for your domain
02:10<dwfreed>only works with some registries
02:10<KyleXY>akerl: you also get DNSSEC :p
02:10<dwfreed>akerl: not really; I pay between 10-15 a year from Gandi
02:11<KyleXY>akerl: which namecheap doesn't provide for most of their TLDs,
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02:11<eagles0513875>KyleXY: i dumped godaddy for dns usage ad have all domains be it mine or ones of clients to linode dns
02:11<KyleXY>eagles0513875: ... that's rather unrelated?
02:12<KyleXY>Linode isn't a domain registrar, we're talking purely about registrars and not nameservers.
02:12<eagles0513875>ahh my bad
02:12<eagles0513875>i think linode as a registrar would do really well
02:12*KyleXY coughs
02:13<GLaDOSDan>I don't think anyone has ever suggested that before
02:14<eagles0513875>KyleXY: do i need to do the himlick manuver
02:14<KyleXY>eagles0513875: I'm not choking
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02:14<KyleXY>and it's not even funny to joke about that because knowing my luck I might just choke on this pizza..
02:16<@akerl>I thought it was funny
02:16<@akerl>Primarily because I know that's not how you spell heimlick but I'm pretty sure I misspelled it too
02:17<@akerl>Wiki tells me it's Heimlich
02:20<hume>funny you say that, I just got done eating pizza -- and eating brownies just now, had great trouble gulping it down and thought i was gonna choke.. like.. 45 sec ago literally
02:21<hume>tmi i guess sorry
02:22<hume>cool beans. expect p2p web apps very soon ;)
02:24<KyleXY>hume: I think that's been pasted a lot before,
02:26<hume>well im just so so sorry then
02:27<KyleXY>hume: <3
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02:54<jed>show of hands, guys
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02:54<jed>you've interviewed twice with a company and they give you a traditional application for legal reasons, to cover the background check bases and such
02:54<jed>you have a third interview scheduled
02:55<jed>the application has Salary: boxes
02:55<jed>do you put N/A or the truth
02:55<kyhwana>jed: are there cats in the boxes?
02:55<jed>there are not, in fact, cats in the boxes
02:56<jed>I'm not sure whether to risk getting circular filed by putting N/A or "Will Discuss", or be honest and potentially jeopardize my initial negotiations
02:56<jed>been a while since I've had a traditional app, it's just a large company
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02:58<kyhwana>hmm, salary is always a tricky one
02:58<jed>I know why they put that box, there, too
02:58<pharaun>i've always put N/A or will discuss
02:58<pharaun>cos if you're not going to discuss it, then fuck you
02:58<jed>it's also not limited to numeric, so I can at least add the "+ ISO" to sweeten
02:58<kyhwana>Unless you need above a certain amount, i'd just put "will discuss"
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02:59<jed>yeah, that was my thought, too, but I get one shot at this company
02:59<jed>hence my waffling
02:59<pharaun>if they've invested that much in interviewing so far they're more than willing to discuss salary
02:59<pharaun>at least imho
03:00<EugeneKay>jed - "money" is always a good thing to ask for
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03:01<chesty>don't go to google, they suck
03:01<pharaun>jed: imho putting down the salary just gives the other side even more info and stacks things into their favor in the salary game
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03:02<jed>it's the box for "how much did I make at _____", not how much I want, fwiw
03:02<pharaun>then put down n/a
03:02<pharaun>cos they don't need to know that
03:03<pharaun>if that matters for god who knows what reasons, its something you can sit down together and discuss
03:03<pharaun>but otherwise, no
03:26<eagles0513875>jed: re salary i woudl put will discuss
03:26<eagles0513875>dunno what kind of experience you have but im soon goign ot be a fresh graduate im happy at this point with anythign in terms of salary
03:27<eagles0513875>ahh ignore me then jed but if they ask how much your are looking for i would put will discuss
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04:07<EugeneKay>So, according to a bit of math, there are about 11 million bitcoins in circulation
04:07<EugeneKay>At the current going rate, that's a theoretical fortune of over US$900M.
04:08<EugeneKay>I am skeptical that there is that much money in the system.
04:11<EugeneKay>I'm ignoring "lost" bitcoins due to haxxers and deleted wallets
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04:25<TomM>That's £593M, wow...
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04:36<chesty>yay bitcoins, start a thread on the forum
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04:43<jose>Hello everyone
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04:45<chesty>man, my regex used to be good. now it sucks. /api/(.*)(?:/(day|week)/)? <- I want it to match /api/blah /api/blah/day /api/blah/week $1=blah $2=empty or day or week
04:45<jose>Hi Peng_
04:45<chesty>man, my regex used to be good. now it sucks. /api/(.*)(?:/(day|week)/?)? <- I want it to match /api/blah /api/blah/day /api/blah/week $1=blah $2=empty or day or week
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04:48<EugeneKay>I think the .* is being greedy and grabbing all the way to end-of-string
04:48<EugeneKay>But my regex is mostly "Grog smash"
04:49<dwfreed>it is
04:49<dwfreed>chesty: change .* to .*?
04:50*EugeneKay gets akerl some eye drops
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04:52<dwfreed>chesty: actually, there's a better way, provided blah can't contain /'s
04:52<dwfreed>chesty: /api/([^/]*)(?:/(day|week)/?)?
04:54<dwfreed>actually, /api/([^/]*)(?:/(day|week))?/?
04:54<EugeneKay>Won't that give "/day", with a possible trailing slash?
04:54<EugeneKay>I'd want to put the /es into non-matching groups
04:54<dwfreed>you mean non-capturing?
04:54<dwfreed>they already are
04:55*EugeneKay reviews his cheat-sheet
04:55<dwfreed>except for the last /? in my most recent one
04:55<EugeneKay>Oh, gotcha
04:55<dwfreed>which isn't part of a group
04:55<EugeneKay>Like I said, grog smash
04:55<dwfreed>chesty: and if blah needs to be longer than 0 chars, change * to +
04:56<chesty>dwfreed: cheers, it's working now.
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05:10<XReaper>dwfreed: I accidentally disabled RELOCATABLE_KERNEL
05:10<XReaper>MIGHT have borked it
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05:16<dwfreed>XReaper: I have that disabled too
05:16<dwfreed>XReaper: just follow my instructions from before, and it'll work
05:16<XReaper>I think that's the default for stuff
05:17<XReaper>oh ok
05:17<XReaper>the start address couldn't be that small tho
05:17<dwfreed>um, it's in hex
05:18<test>do you think nginx + php-fpm could handle many visitors on linode 512?
05:18<XReaper>LOTS of visitors
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05:18<test>what kind of visitor numbers have you seen? on your sites?
05:19<@akerl>test: The number is more based on your code than the Linode
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05:19<test>thats true
05:20<dwfreed><?php echo('Hello world') ?> would be ridiculously fast :)
05:20<test>lol yes..
05:21<test>any good way to test how many visitors could be handled? i guess its sort of hard to test that, since if you test the same page it gets cached
05:21<dwfreed>there are things like siege and stuff
05:21<@akerl>Set up your code and benchmark it?
05:21<dwfreed>and neither nginx nor php-fpm does caching unless you tell it to
05:22<test>i also have apc installed
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05:32<jose>Hi. I'll be very grateful if anyone could help me with a mail server setup I have in a LInode server which seems not to be working.
05:32<jose>I've added the required DNS records: A and MX
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05:34<jose>Also configured postifx + dovecot. I'm able to send emails with no problem but I cannot received emails
05:34<kyhwana>jose: whats the domain?
05:35<jose>I need to support mailing services for multiple domains in the same host
05:35<jose>So I've started with
05:36<dwfreed>when did you set the records up?
05:36<jose>Well, several days back
05:37<kyhwana>hrm, the MX record is there..
05:38<kyhwana>jose: are you running postfix? Can't connect to on port 25
05:38<dwfreed>25/tcp filtered smtp
05:38<dwfreed>^ that would be why
05:38<dwfreed>you need to adjust your firewall rules
05:41<jose>Ah! yes, that would be why. Thank you very much for your help.
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05:44<jose>By the way, has anyone had issues adding A records with host names ending with .com?
05:45<XReaper>do they start with horse*?
05:46<dwfreed>jose: A records in the DNS Manager should be relative to your zone, ie, don't include the part
05:46<dwfreed>(or whatever other zone you're editing)
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05:49<jose>I see. No, they don't start with horse*.
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05:49<XReaper>or end with boners, for that matter
05:51<jose>dwfreed, by default it includes an entry with hostname 'mail'. Would that be what you mean by 'relative to the zone'?
05:51<XReaper>dwfreed: Can I deploy a backup to a smaller linode?
05:52<XReaper>I guess the answer is 'yes'
05:52*XReaper slaps himself
05:54<chesty>hmmm, from memory, backups restore to the smallest possible image size, you then have to resize it
05:55<XReaper>Well, add a blank linode first, then restore?
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05:55<dwfreed>jose: yes
05:55<dwfreed>XReaper: yes
05:56<dwfreed>XReaper: provided your desired location has enough storage for the restore, and is in the same datacenter
05:56<XReaper>this linode hasn't used up more than 24GB space
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05:58<XReaper>why can
05:58<XReaper>t i deploy a blank linode
05:58<EugeneKay>You can
05:59<EugeneKay>Just don't go through the Deploy wizard after you create it
05:59<XReaper>derp, i just did
05:59<XReaper>Brand New!
05:59*EugeneKay has an argument with EC2
06:00<jose>Ok thanks. I guess an empty value would match exactly to the hostname specified in the MX records. E.g. MX record: Mail Server / A record: Hostname [no hostname] ->
06:02<jose>Well, I'll give it a try and see. Thanks everyone for the help. I didn't know about the A records to be relative to the zone. Thank you very much.
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06:06<chesty>to push or pull? that is the next question. the top result in google is from 2008
06:07<MrGeneral>Looking for someone who has premium themes account :P
06:08<chesty>didn't you have a 24 month account you were trying to sell?
06:08<eagles0513875>EugeneKay: what did ec2 do to you
06:08<eagles0513875>hi chesty :)
06:09<chesty>hey eagles0513875, how's business?
06:09<eagles0513875>not bad :)
06:09<eagles0513875>wont really get going until summer when i put my heart and soul into it full time
06:09<eagles0513875>right now have one client whose happy with the way things are running
06:10<eagles0513875>im waiting ot see if linode is goign to do ram upgrades in nextgen part 3
06:10<chesty>everybody is
06:10<eagles0513875>if not ill upgrade their linode and move the sites to this clients linode right now its running on mine.
06:10<eagles0513875>im happy with one thing i did on my linode though
06:11<eagles0513875>and that is get off the preforked version of apache and onto mpm-event version with php-fpm
06:11<eagles0513875>i didnt realize how much of a difference i would see in over all site performance
06:15*eagles0513875 sigh and moans in regards to windows 8
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06:40<AlexC_>eagles0513875: PHP-FPM is the only sane way to run PHP imo
06:40<praetorian>i run php the sane way
06:42<eagles0513875>AlexC_: i didnt know about it until fairly recently :)
06:42<eagles0513875>these past few weeks i have larned alot though
06:43<AlexC_>Good to know you're larning alot
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06:46<Ruchira>whats up people
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06:47<Ruchira>is anyone having connectivity issues in london dc?
06:47<AlexC_>Ruchira: Nope
06:47<dwfreed>an MTR report would be helpful
06:47<linbot>mtr combines traceroute and ping into one easy-to-use tool, and it can be useful for determining the source of a problem. Download it from or for Windows. Generate an mtr report by running mtr -rn HOSTNAME. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using !mtr-CITY whre CITY is fremont, newark, dallas or tokyo.
06:47<linbot> |
06:48<eagles0513875>Ruchira: nope i have 5 linodes in the london dc and everythign is fine on my end
06:49<Ruchira>hmm I have 2 linodes in london dc and everything is slow. Ping is averaging 1000ms
06:49<dwfreed>again, an MTR report would be helpful
06:49<Ruchira>normally its around 150dc
06:49<Ruchira>yes please wait ill do a MTR
06:49<dwfreed>ping tells you little to nothing
06:49<Ruchira>150ms ^^
06:49<rnowak>london is currently experiencing a time bubble
06:50<eagles0513875>how so rnowak O_o
06:50<rnowak>holy shit you've got to be kidding me
06:50<AlexC_>eagles0513875: It's in preparation for the GMT -> BST handover
06:50<Peng_>Apparently EC2 killed EugeneKay, since he has not responded. :D
06:50<AlexC_>Time goes a little funky
06:50<Peng_>Wait, murder is not a ":D" event.
06:50<eagles0513875>ahh yes forgot about that
06:50<Peng_>EugeneKay: 10:08:25 < eagles0513875> EugeneKay: what did ec2 do to you
06:51<Peng_>I guess EugeneKay is alive but Neuralized?
06:51<EugeneKay>Oh, that'll be because I /ignore people with a bunch of numbers at the end of their name.
06:51<EugeneKay>If you aren't inventive enough to think up a distinctive nickname I probably don't care what you have to say anyway.
06:52<eagles0513875>Peng: seems like someone doesnt know about the tab complete feature on his irc client
06:52<EugeneKay>Same sort of reasoning behind ignoring people using and such
06:52<rnowak>I use socat, what's tab complete?
06:52<EugeneKay>It's when you use all eight spaces
06:53<dwfreed>rnowak: socat with READLINE can do tab-complete, but it's a pain in the arse to shove things into readline's completion buffer
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06:55<Peng_>eagles0513875: :>
06:55<Peng_>eagles0513875: Can I tell EugeneKay that? I want to tell EugeneKay that.
06:55<eagles0513875>Peng: ok if you want
06:56<Peng_>EugeneKay: 10:52:08 < eagles0513875> Peng: seems like someone doesnt know about the tab complete feature on his irc client
06:56<Ruchira>ok guys here is the mtr
06:56*EugeneKay goes back to the lsof man page
06:57<Peng_>Ruchira: What the heck are you connecting to the Internet through? A soup can and strings?
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06:57<Ruchira>:D DSL
06:57<Peng_>Ruchira: Either you're running BitTorrent without decent QoS settings, or else your ISP is having issues. In any case, the problem isn't on Linode's end.
06:57<rnowak>in this case, DSL = Dual Soup-can Line
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06:59<Peng_>Ruchira: Notice that the packet loss and high Avg, Worst and StDev values start at the third hop,, which is a Sri Lanka Telecom IP.
07:00<Peng_>Ruchira: The two most likely answers are that your ISP is having problems or that you or one of your roommates or whatever are pirating movies and clogging up your connection.
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07:01<Peng_>Is the worst worst value seriously 40 seconds? Wow.
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07:01<Peng_>That's the most amazing bufferbloat ever.
07:02<Peng_>ruchira1: Hello again. Pinged out?
07:02<ruchira1>yeah power went out its lightning and heavy rain here
07:02<rnowak>... :>
07:02<ruchira1>came back on my laptop by thethering
07:02<rnowak>guess why your connection is as it is right now :P
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07:03<Peng_>ruchira1: As you can see, your Internet connection is having problems. The issue isn't on Linode's end.
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07:03<Peng_>ruchira1: It's also possible someone on your network is running BitTorrent or something and clogging up the connection, and the storm is a coincidence.
07:04<ruchira1>Hmmm yeah maybe. I wasnt even able to join to this irc with my client
07:04<ruchira1>host cannot be found
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07:04<ruchira1>so i have used the web chat
07:04<ruchira1>im the only one on this network as this is my home
07:04<chesty>it's always nice to talk to people, but if you wanted to do some investigating yourself, try a few different sites, like google facebook yahoo, they would all be slow for you atm
07:05<ruchira1>maybe my isp is doing maintenance or what so ever
07:05<chesty>or maybe it's the storm like rnowak said
07:05<ruchira1>yeah I have a linode on dallas too. works like a charm
07:05<rnowak>lightning and heavy rain... probably not maintenance :>
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07:06<ruchira1>what got me interested was that ip in the middle
07:06<ruchira1>on that mtr report.
07:07<ruchira1>how is linode london dc ip sits in between those hops? I saw ntt peers after that
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07:07<ruchira1>dont know how mtr works but isnt it supposed to be in sequence ?
07:09<chesty>it's supposed to be, yeah, if routes are flapping, it may look a little messed up
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07:13<ruchira1>thanks guys ill wait and see what happens
07:14<eagles0513875>woot :) friend of mine is subcontracting me to do some work for him
07:14<ruchira1>I went to linode's status page and saw a maintenance was scheduled at 10PM UTC current time is around 10.20AM UTC . Just wanted to see if this maintenance window is related to the problem I was having
07:14<eagles0513875>multidomain email setup with spam filtering
07:14<ruchira1>thanks for helping
07:15<ruchira1>time to leave see ya later.
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07:34<EugeneKay>Who would I need to bribe to get LVS stuff built into a Linode kernel?
07:35<AlexC_>LVS <3
07:36<Peng_>You can make your own kernel?
07:36<Peng_>What's LVS?
07:36<@akerl>all the cool kids are pv-grubbing anyways
07:36<@meskarune>update your Kernel version at the speed of Linus ^
07:37<EugeneKay>I just wanted to smoke test to see if the stuff would work on Linode's network :-/
07:37<Peng_>akerl: Isn't that unsupported? :)
07:37<EugeneKay><3 keepalived
07:37<@akerl>Peng_: Unsupported == more fun
07:37<rnowak>and how much support are you expecting to get on kernel features anyway? :P
07:37<Peng_>akerl: It certainly makes answering support tickets easier.
07:38*AlexC_ high fives EugeneKay
07:38<@akerl>FWIW, I'm always happy to help people with pv-grub issues in here, it's just not feasible to guarantee official support for it
07:38<EugeneKay>It's a heck of a lot easier to get going than heartbeat etc
07:39<AlexC_>It really is, and I've found it more responsive in the past
07:39<Peng_>akerl: <3
07:39<@meskarune>Peng_: if you use arch we'll support you no matter wat kekekekekekekeke
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07:43<Peng_>meskarune: So....if I try to boot Arch with FreeBSD's kernel, you'll help?
07:44*staticsafe slaps Peng_
07:45*eagles0513875 waves to meskarune
07:47<@meskarune>hai eagles0513875
07:47<@meskarune>Peng_: as someone who loves freebsd, yes :3
07:47<staticsafe>i have a feeling it might not quite work :P
07:47<@meskarune>Peng_: actually FreeBSD is going to use pacman for their packager. They are doing some interesting things, but under-staffed
07:48<staticsafe>wait what
07:48<@meskarune>I heard this from a FreeBSD dev
07:49<Peng_>I was joking but what
07:49<rnowak>itym archbsd
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07:55<XReaper>staticsafe: it's true.
07:55<XReaper>pacman is awesome
07:56<Peng_>Is it really?
07:56<Peng_>Honest question.
07:58<@meskarune>Peng_: as far as I know, yes they are using pacman to make a FreeBSD package manager
07:58<@meskarune>but its still going to be BSD
07:59<Peng_>What does FreeBSD do for package management now?
07:59<rnowak>ha ha
07:59<@meskarune>they have ports and a few binaries
07:59<@meskarune>arch has abs which is like ports
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07:59<staticsafe>ports is excellent
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08:01<Peng_><- ignorant non-Arch and non-FreeBSD person
08:01*staticsafe just finished updating a FreeBSD system
08:02<avenj>tbh I only have freebsd systems for smoking my perl dists
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08:06<XReaper>How long is a resize fron 23GB to 24GB meant to take
08:06<DrJ>still no blog update on Linode: NextGen part 3
08:07<XReaper>So far... 13 minutes
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08:09<mwalling>wow you assholes are impatient
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08:12<hawk>XReaper: I'd guess it largely depends on what files you have there in the first place. (It does fsck followed by resize2fs, I believe)
08:12<XReaper>hawk: it took 13 minutes
08:12<XReaper>yeah... it was a snapshot from a live filesystem :P
08:13<@qmr>There are a lot of variables, can't really give an ETA
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08:19<Peng_>DrJ: Yes, we have RSS readers.
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08:19<Peng_>(for now)
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08:21<XReaper>Ctrl+a d destroy
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08:23<Peng_>That sure does quiet the kernel.
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08:24<XReaper>click on something in manager LOGIN PROMPT!
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08:32<XReaper>-.- logview is useless
08:32<Peng_>is not
08:33<XReaper>can't see first lines of boot log
08:34<XReaper>Trying to debug why a kernel is flipping its lid is a pain when it spams so much crap
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08:39<EugeneKay>Log harder, not smarter.
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08:56<XReaper> MAGIC!
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09:09<XReaper>dwfreed: you know what, I bet a gentoo-sources kernel will work fine
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09:16<@qmr>XReaper: ssh foo@bar "logview"|magic. If you really need your entire console you can open a ticket
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09:17<XReaper>qmr: I managed to get it into copy mode soon enough
09:17<eagles0513875|2>man i missed my imac
09:17<eagles0513875|2>and its 27 inches of goodness
09:17<praetorian>you should throw better then
09:17<praetorian>dont miss next time
09:18<Peng_>qmr: ...More is logged? Intersting.
09:18<eagles0513875|2>praetorian: i didnt throw it i had it running in my room and was using it there but not that much
09:18<eagles0513875|2>i would rather work on my imac and remote to my windows pc then work directly on windows pc
09:27<@qmr>q Peng_
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09:30<Peng_>msg qmr Yes, you're so right about XReaper! Lol!
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09:31*XReaper feeds Peng_
09:31<Peng_>You should patch your kernel to output love letters to the Linode sysadmins.
09:32<XReaper>this kernel is already heavily patched
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09:41<XReaper>Got it working
09:42<XReaper>hardened-sources 3.7.5-r1 was never going to work
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10:17<atula>would love some comments if you guys have time:
10:20<tubaguy50035>Anybody had issues with Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit and the new kernel? Every time I boot a new box the second time, I get init: ureadahead main process (1330) terminated with status 5
10:22<XReaper>Use the LTS
10:22<XReaper>dot dot dot
10:22<@heckman>That's not a helpful answer.
10:22<trippeh>3.8.4 w/ 64bit 12.10 works fine for me.
10:22<tubaguy50035>Nope. I've deployed several other 12.10's without issue.
10:23<XReaper>Weird, isolated it as a host issue?
10:23<tubaguy50035>The only configuration I've done is set the hostname and network interfaces
10:23<trippeh>On both the old and newer hypervizorz
10:23<tubaguy50035>I've only tried redeploying this one node. So... not sure.
10:23<Peng_>tubaguy50035: Does the box not boot, or is the kernel output just broken?
10:23<Peng_>tubaguy50035: Have you done and apt-get update and upgrade?
10:23<Peng_>done an*
10:24<trippeh>atula: s/insance/insane
10:24<tubaguy50035>Peng_: The box does eventually boot. I was diagnosing why our stackscript wasn't working (wouldn't boot back up after running) so I was doing commands manually. Have not yet run updates.
10:24<tubaguy50035>It hangs for quite a while though
10:25<Peng_>The console, or the box itself?
10:25<Peng_>Not that I know the answer either way!
10:25<tubaguy50035>uh... the console... I guess... Not sure I understand what the difference would be if I haven't even gotten to a login prompt yet (using Lish)
10:26*eagles051387 loves my 27 inch imac
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10:26<XReaper> Have fun
10:27<trippeh>atula: I like how it turned into marketing at the end.
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10:28<Peng_>tubaguy50035: Ubuntu used to have an issue with the console (and Linode kernels). I'm not sure if it's been fixed, or if you need to update & upgrade to get teh fix.
10:28<tubaguy50035>Peng_: running updates now
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10:29<atula>trippeh, haha I don't know how to make a turn
10:29<atula>trippeh, how can I say it more gracefully?
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10:30<atula>trippeh, fixed misspelling. Thank you!
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10:33<tubaguy50035>Did updates, rebooted, now I'm stuck where my stackscript was. "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth"
10:33<XReaper>Did you remove plymouth?
10:33<Peng_>Like I said, the node might be working fine.
10:34<@akerl>tubaguy50035: You mentioned "with the new kernel". Does it work with the old kernel?
10:34<XReaper>I just like how ubuntu dies if you remove unity from the desktop version
10:35<@akerl>Is it talk-out-your-ass o'clock again?
10:35<tubaguy50035>XReaper: I did not remove plymouth.
10:35<tubaguy50035>akerl: I plan to test that as well.
10:35<XReaper>tubaguy50035: i heard bad things can happen if you do that... might be wrong tho :p
10:36<@akerl>uh huh
10:36<tubaguy50035>Peng_: ah, you're right. It was just the console. The box continues booting.
10:37*tubaguy50035 redeploys for science
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10:45<AlexC_>w00t! Part 3 is out
10:46<tubaguy50035>urmom is out
10:46<XReaper>Someone kickban AlexC_
10:46<XReaper>for lulz
10:46<linbot>chesty: 10:46 AM, March 27, 2013
10:47<tubaguy50035>akerl: the old kernel doesn't have the console hang on "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth" btw
10:47<tubaguy50035>akerl: by old I mean 3.7.10
10:47<@akerl>I might have to go kernelhunting at some point
10:48*EugeneKay gets the harpoon
10:49<XReaper>mmm Linux scorpius 3.8.4-hardened-r1 #1 SMP Wed Mar 27 13:32:00 UTC 2013 i686 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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10:54<Stracci>Hi there
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10:55<Stracci>I'm moving from another provider.. does Linode have any coupons for incoming customers from other companys?
10:55<HedgeMage>Stracci: Not to my knowledge.
10:55<i-make-robots>i got set up yesterday with linode. very easy, great documentation, friendly help, very pleased.
10:56<i-make-robots>i followed all the default instructions for a 512 node. question: Does that mean it's blocking outbound email? My web store needs to send receipts.
10:56<Stracci>Yeah, I was just wondering if there was any coupons :\ Ill be paying for two hosts this month while I migrate, so was just checking.
10:56<i-make-robots>i see no mention of port 25 when i check iptables.
10:56<@akerl>We block nothing, and our images don't block anything by default
10:57<tubaguy50035>i-make-robots: the iptables library article allows everything outbound
10:57<i-make-robots>huh. must be my mail settings.
10:57<@akerl>Did you install an outbound SMTP?
10:57<Peng_>i-make-robots: Why do you think port 25 is blocked?
10:57<EugeneKay>Depending upon your distro, it may not have a SMTP server installed
10:57<EugeneKay>`apt-get install postfix`
10:57<XReaper>Mine come with dummy ones
10:57<i-make-robots>Peng_: because I'm stupid about linux and that was my first guess.
10:57<jchen>!library postfix
10:57<linbot>jchen: 1. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 2. Postfix, Dovecot, and System User Accounts on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 3. Basic Postfix Email Gateway on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) -
10:58<XReaper>!library send-only exim
10:58<linbot>XReaper: 1. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 2. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) - | 3. Send-only Mail Server with Exim on Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick) -
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11:02<@qmr>exim4 > postfix
11:03*XReaper hi5's qmr
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11:07<Peng_>Crap, Ubuntu 12.04's uwsgi version predates IPv6 support.
11:07<Peng_>Its memcached has partially buggy Ipv6 support, too.
11:07<Peng_>I hae the 1990s.
11:07<Peng_>I hate the 1990s.
11:12<chesty>why does uwsgi need ipv6?
11:12<@akerl>So that it can talk to things using IPv6?
11:13<tubaguy50035>akerl: nonsense
11:13<Peng_>I want it for --socket.
11:13<Peng_>tHe why is because IPv4 sucks and I don't want to use Unix domain sockets.
11:14<chesty>unix domain sockets have less overhead, so does ipv4
11:14<chesty>ip header
11:14<EugeneKay>The lack of an IP header, for one
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11:15<EugeneKay>And the fact that it doesn't have to go "out" lo
11:15<EugeneKay>No passing it through iptables either
11:15<XReaper>Hmm... I have a web-facing uwsgi script running as root
11:15<rnowak>itym netfilter
11:15<XReaper>Sounds legit
11:15<@akerl>rnowak: Lets not apply knowledge to this
11:15<EugeneKay>I do, but people get scard when you talk about netfilter.
11:15<rnowak>akerl: that's true, I am sorry
11:15<EugeneKay>iptables is friendly
11:15<rnowak>you're just full of shit :>
11:15<EugeneKay>It hasn't eaten any kittens since 2006
11:16<Peng_>Why 2006?
11:16<EugeneKay>It sounded like a believable date in the past
11:17<chesty>to Peng_ that's the future
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11:24<Peng_>Hmm, Ubuntu's standard uWSGI configuration uses Unix sockets by default.
11:24<Peng_>I'll go with that.
11:24<Peng_>But know that I am UNHAPPY. :P
11:26<gparent>this is usually where you'd see -.-
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11:29*XReaper makes Peng_ happy by upgrading his linode to 13.04
11:29<Peng_>XReaper: <3
11:30*gparent upgrades Peng_'s linode to Premiere Server OS Debian.
11:31<Peng_>gparent: Debian, huh? Do you have a link to the Apache 1.3 CGI docs, then?
11:31*staticsafe slaps Peng_
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11:32*XReaper upgrades Peng_ to gentoo-hardened with an SELinux kernel
11:33<DrJ>still no blog update on Linode: NextGen part 3
11:33*gparent upgrades Peng_ to Apache 2, completely breaking his setup.
11:33<@qmr>DrJ is like a human nagios for Linode blag updates :>
11:33<gparent>DrJ: fyi some people find you annoying but you bring a smile to my face every day
11:33<ubuntu1210>hello everyone. i think i found a glitch on a stackscript by alexwhughes - can somebody help?
11:34<ubuntu1210>root@gandhi:/home/tgf/Desktop# ./ ./ line 19: syntax error near unexpected token `;&' ./ line 19: `if [ "$SERIAL" = "" ]; then' root@gandhi:/home/tgf/Desktop# lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description: Ubuntu 12.10 Release: 12.10 Codename: quantal
11:34<gparent>everytime I see that "still no blog post" line from you I can't help but chuckle
11:34<linbot>Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here:
11:34<gparent>yeah, use that
11:34<@qmr>ubuntu1210: my first guess as to who could help would be alexwhughes
11:34<ubuntu1210>that was indeed my first and last guess as well
11:34<ubuntu1210>but it seems like mr. hughes doesn't like being contacted
11:35<ubuntu1210>i couldnt find his contact details
11:35<Peng_>He loves being contacted -- but only by amateur sleuths.
11:36<@akerl>DrJ: Honestly: the blog post is coming when it comes. Your repetitive updates on the lack of update are very obnoxious
11:36<Peng_>ubuntu1210: In any case, while we are not alexwhughes, we may be able to help you if you pastebin your problem.
11:37<gparent>I've been relying on these updates on that lack of blog post!
11:37<@akerl>Rely on an RSS reader, hopefully one that doesn't get shut down
11:37<gparent>Well as long as Linode keeps it up, I doubt it!
11:37<tubaguy50035>aw, poor google reader :(
11:37<gparent>aw reader
11:37<gparent>yeah I just use rss in ff
11:38<gparent>I dont have nearly enough rss feeds subscribed for me to use a whole dedicated product to it
11:39<AlexC_>gparent: Feedly
11:39<AlexC_>That's what I've switched to, and it's pretty cool
11:39<gparent>I have a bookmark folder on my toolbar named "RSS"
11:39<gparent>that comic is wonderful.
11:40<gparent>Because if you've ever worked help desk it touches you deeply.
11:40<jcurry>alexwhughes: that StackScript is for Solaris, not sure why it's even there. Just use if you want Virtualmin GPL.
11:40<gparent>alex is the person who wrote it.
11:44<jcurry>yeah sorry, copied the wrong name
11:44<jcurry>ubuntu1210 ^^
11:45<jchen>lolwut solaris
11:45<jcurry>thanks for pointing that out
11:46<XReaper>I have a sun box
11:46<XReaper>It runs debian :D
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11:47<gparent>jcurry: also, the script mentions it should support more than one OS, so I suppose you read the source and found out it wasn't true?
11:47<gparent>I merely skimmed over it
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11:51<jcurry>it's tagged with multiple OS support by the person who copied it to the StackScripts library, but line 11 says "tested on Solaris 10 only" - so if you're not running Solaris, and you're not on Linode - I recommend trying the correct install script straight from the source :)
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12:13<tonyyarusso>Is it normally best practice to have one SSL certificate per machine, or one per service? eg. if '' has Apache, Postfix, and Dovecot running, should that have one certificate or three?
12:14<@heckman>One per domain?
12:14<@heckman>You could have a certificate for * with a SAN for
12:15<linbot>New news from forum: 1GB Linode - Apache Worker MPM/FCGID/Max concurrent in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:15<i-make-robots>hi! I finally got the CRT files from my SSL cert company and put them in /etc/ssl/localcerts. When I surf to my site in HTTPS I get "can't establish connection". What am I missing, please?
12:15<jcurry>or rather just a generic name like, covers all bases for le cheap
12:16*rnowak ejects jcurry into space
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12:17<@heckman>jcurry: what...
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12:17<rnowak>i-make-robots: you need to configure your webserver to use the certificate and to set up a listener for ssl
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12:17*heckman drinks pepsi
12:17<@heckman>aww :(
12:17<@heckman>wblew: ruin my fun
12:17-!-mode/#linode [+o wblew] by heckman
12:17<i-make-robots>rnowak: linode tutorial page url, please?
12:17<tonyyarusso>heckman: So you usually set up multiple daemons referencing one cert then? Mmkay
12:18<rnowak>i-make-robots: what webserver are you using
12:18<XReaper>tonyyarusso: that's how i'd do it
12:18<@heckman>You could have them in different places on the fs, but essentially yes
12:18<i-make-robots>rnowak: apache+openssl
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12:21*i-make-robots feels the documents sail right over his head.
12:21<rnowak>i-make-robots: there's also that for all the possible options
12:22<rnowak>and when you've read all that, perhaps some simple examples may be of help ;)
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12:23<i-make-robots>i would have thought linode would make this easier. a quick tutorial for apache would be fantastic.
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12:24<jcurry>Like this?
12:25<phrozen>can anyone here help me with wildcard dns using linode's dns service? im trying to make * go to a local ip. i see i can add * but im getting an error when trying to add *.dev A record. do i need to setup a zone for seperately or am i going the wrong direction entirely?
12:25<rnowak>phrozen: you do indeed have to do that
12:25<EugeneKay>Yes, separate zone.
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12:26<i-make-robots>rnowak: turns out a2enmod ssl gets me most of the way there.
12:26<rnowak>i-make-robots: did you even bother checking the last link? and I linked you the two other things so that you could educate yourself on the system you will be exposing to the internet.
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12:26<EugeneKay>For the most correctedness you should also add NS delegation records in your parent domain
12:28<i-make-robots>i did check. I am as stupid as you are belittling.
12:28<EugeneKay>Admission is the first step to recovery
12:28<rnowak>guess you're not very stupid then as that wasn't belittling at all -- good luck.
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12:31<linbot>if thou misunderstandeth thy documentation, thou must readeth it again
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12:33<Peng_>EugeneKay: Since it's on hte same nameservers, I don't think the NS records matter?
12:34<EugeneKay>RFC says it does
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12:34<EugeneKay>It "works", but it's wrong.
12:35<i-make-robots>jcurry: thank you! I missed that link.
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12:36<phrozen>sounds easier to just buy another domain dedicated to local dev
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12:36<auraka>spamhaus getting the largest DDoS in history...seems fitting
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12:37<auraka>they are kind of aholes at times
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12:39<EugeneKay>It's funny because people pay attention to them
12:40<nate>the fact they're apparently taking a 300 hit however and still withstanding it is somewhat surprising
12:40<auraka>EugeneKay: you have to if you want your mail delivered
12:40<nate>tbh my helo rules block more stuff than spamhaus does :/
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12:42<auraka>what bothers me is they have gotten away from just looking at spam and go after content as well
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12:42<Peng_>TIL uWSGI is really easy to use. (Of course, I skipped 98% of the documentation and settings.)
12:43<Peng_>auraka: content?
12:43<auraka>if Peng_ can do it anyone can
12:43<auraka>Peng_: web content
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12:45<tubaguy50035>nate: cloudflare isn't taking the attack. One of their teir 1's is.
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12:47<linbot>New news from forum: 1GB Linode - Apache Worker MPM/FCGID/Max concurrent in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
12:47<auraka>tubaguy50035: you mean tier 2...nlayer most likely
12:47<@qmr>it's not just a truck you can dump things on
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12:48<auraka>qmr: that is disturbing
12:48<Peng_>You ever dumped things on a truck? WFM.
12:48<tubaguy50035>auraka: cloudflare said their teir one...
12:48<auraka>tubaguy50035: no
12:48<@qmr>auraka: the speech from the guy that said it, or me?
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12:49<tubaguy50035>auraka: yes...? "While we don't have direct visibility into the traffic loads they saw, we have been told by one major Tier 1 provider that they saw more than 300Gbps of attack traffic related to this attack."
12:49<auraka>tubaguy50035: that doesn't mean they are using that Tier 1...that means a Tier 1 told them that they saw traffic destined to the cloudflare network at that rate
12:50<auraka>you are reading it wrong
12:50<tubaguy50035>auraka: ah, nvm then
12:50<tubaguy50035>auraka: The IX's are tier 2, correct?
12:50<auraka>Not sure what you mean by that but I'll go with no
12:51<tubaguy50035>Like... London Internet Exchange, Amsterdam Internet Exchange, etc
12:51<auraka>Internet Exchanges are just for networks to exchange traffic
12:51<tubaguy50035>so they're not considered tier... anything
12:51<auraka>So if ATT and Verizon want to peer it usually happens at an exchange
12:52<auraka>A nice view of an exchange is and
12:53<auraka>lots of networks peer in exchange to get their traffic to one another. You can do open peering (default accept traffic) or private peering where you only exchange traffic with certain networks that meet your peering requirements
12:54<auraka>networks like are pretty open for peering while networks like ATT are very restricted
12:54<rnowak>urmom does a lot of peering
12:54<auraka>tubaguy50035: Also from the cloudflare article "We, primarily, contract with what are known as Tier 2 providers for CloudFlare's paid bandwidth."
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12:55<Peng_>"for cCloudFlare's paid bandwidth"
12:55<tubaguy50035>auraka: yeah, I read that. Thought the tier one was getting hit though.
12:55<Peng_>Doesn't say anything about non-paid bandwidth, if there even is any.
12:55<vegardx>CloudFlare has peering with boatloads of IPSs.
12:55<auraka>Peng_: there is some from their peers
12:56<vegardx>I bet they are peered to every major ISP in each country they have connectivity. It's a win-win for both parties.
12:56<auraka>vegardx: nope
12:56<auraka>not even close
12:56<tubaguy50035>didn't they at one point get invited by some ISPs to peer within their networks?
12:57<tubaguy50035>errr, not peer. But host servers in*
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12:57<vegardx>auraka: They may pay for the peering, but I highly doubt all of them want the traffic to go over transit when they can broker a deal out locally.
12:57<auraka>vegardx: They peer with more open networks but their traffic is so one sided (all content no eyeballs) that they don't meet the peering requirements for most
12:58<auraka>vegardx: pretty easy to see who they peer with and most of the major American ISPs aren't on the it isn't even Nlayer/GTT their main transit provider peers like crazy
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12:58<vegardx>But who cares about American ISPs? They've never done anything right :p
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12:59<auraka>umm..okay *shakes head*
12:59<@heckman>Tell that to my 100+mbps download speed.
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12:59<@heckman>Was topping out at 130mbps down the other night
12:59<auraka>heckman: how many pictures of fedoras, cats and jeeps can you download in an hour?
13:00<vegardx>Over 9000.
13:00<atealtha>hey guys, just wanted to let you know the High Availability section of your wiki doesn't exist
13:00<EugeneKay>heckman got drunk and ate it.
13:00<atealtha>I was researching into what ip failover is and didn't get much other than that you guys have it
13:01<rnowak>16:59:33 @heckman: Tell that to my 100+mbps download speed.
13:01<rnowak>hello sir
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13:01<vegardx>auraka: What I'm trying to say, is that things are different outside of US. We have no idea who they peer with, but I highly doubt most ISPs want to use expensive transit when they can make CF pay some money for a private peering deal.
13:01<@heckman>A Linode can arp for an IP address if you give it permission to. That's the short of it.
13:01<@heckman>atealtha: ^
13:01<@heckman>There's no magic, you specify which IP address a Linode can arp for from its Remote Access tab and then you configure your Linodes to do the needful.
13:01<@heckman>rnowak: hello. :)
13:02<atealtha>heckman: the "to do the needful" part is what I want to know how to do
13:02<vegardx>heckman: By the way, my ISP offers 500Mbit connectivity ;-)
13:02<auraka>vegardx: We do have an idea of who they peer with....what we don't know is who exactly they peer with freely, paid or buy transit from (except nlayer)
13:02<@heckman>We had an article, but I think it may have been pulled back due to there being some changes that made it no longer work. I'm not part of the docs team, so I'm not 100% sure on that.
13:02<vegardx>auraka: That is true.
13:03<@heckman>atealtha: I would look at configuring Heartbeat + Pacemaker on your distro of choice. I'm sure there is some sort of documentation available somewhere.
13:04<phrozen>bah dns is annoying... having .'s at the end of mx and ns fqdn's here is giving errors but theyre required on another dns server i use. i thought fqdn's were meant to have a .?
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13:05<@heckman>phrozen: in the Linode DNS Manager?
13:06<auraka>heckman: what is the largest DDoS Linode has seen and who did rnowak piss off to receive it?
13:06<atealtha>heckman: and the switching IP part is essentially automating the static networking config changes?
13:06<rnowak>auraka: urmom tried sending me her photo
13:07<@heckman>phrozen: that's because the Linode DNS Manager is an interface to zone manipulation for aiding people who may not be that tech savvy.
13:07<@heckman>phrozen: what record are you trying to enter/what are you trying to do?
13:07<tubaguy50035>atealtha: yes
13:07<phrozen>for example ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM.
13:07<@heckman>atealtha: well, you wouldn't have those addresses be statically configured in your Linodes. Realistically you'd want them brought up dynamically.
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13:08<@heckman>phrozen: to what? where?
13:08<@heckman>If it's MX, the target should just have no period
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13:11<phrozen>ah ok so its all handled automatically?
13:11<phrozen>so my TXT records that were added ok with .'s should be fine or should i remove those .'s too?
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13:12<@heckman>phrozen: we do the dot stuffs for you. Those may be okay (dig +short TXT <record> should verify), but you may want to remove
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13:14<phrozen>dig confirmed .'s are fine to add :)
13:14<phrozen>cheers for the help
13:14<Peng_>I assume Linode doesn't muddle with TXT records. It can't be done safely.
13:15<@heckman>phrozen: no problem. :)
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13:19<eyepulp>Yo ho ho
13:20<eyepulp>I'm using a nodebalancer in front of 3 nodes serving web content. We get hit with occasional spikes when various bot crawlers come knocking. I was looking at the "Client Connection Throttle" option to ease the load and prevent the crawlers from shouldering out legitimate traffic. Does that seem like a good place to do it?
13:22<@heckman>Sounds like it to me. Are the bots causing any significant performance issues, or are you just seeing their connections?
13:23<eyepulp>heckman: mostly the latter. It just feels abusive when they start throwing a bunch of connections a second at us.
13:24<eyepulp>I'm trying to figure out what the crawler sees when it exceeds the limit - is it simply blocked or just made to wait?
13:25<@heckman>Admittedly, I forget what happens.
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13:25<jcurry>eyepulp: if they are legit, they probably support robots.txt Crawl-delay
13:25<@heckman>Unless Baidu
13:25<eyepulp>baidu, yandex, etc etc
13:26<eyepulp>Not to mention a bunch of junk from Latvia last week.
13:27<eyepulp>Anyhow, I'd be curious to figure out what form the throttling takes to the requesting party
13:27<eyepulp>I'll send a support ticket if no one knows off the top of their head
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13:28<@heckman>eyepulp: it'll sit in a backlog I think
13:28<@heckman>So just sit there
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13:39<linbot>New news from forum: Linode Longview in Current Betas <>
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13:42<Peng_>Wait, Hmei7 said they "always" have problems signing up. I wonder how many times they've tried.
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13:43<eren>hi folks
13:44<Peng_>Hi eren
13:45<gparent>Peng_: I saw that!
13:45<Peng_>gparent: Oops. What.
13:45<Peng_>How'd I do that?
13:46<Peng_>NEVER MIND ME
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13:49<ghosticus>yea...i saw that too...
13:51<gparent>Gotta love internet noise
13:51<gparent>client: ::ffff:, server: _, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1"
13:52<Peng_>NTP servers get all sorts of bizarre noise.
13:52<Peng_>NTP pool*
13:53<gparent>I entered or the other ay and got 'hai' as a response
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13:53<gparent>the other day
13:53<gparent>in my web browser that is
13:53<Peng_>An NTP server operator somewhere thanks you for polluting their logs. :P
13:54<Peng_>Also, they shoulda set up a redirect. Bah!
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13:58<jchen>oh look i got chesty for
13:58<EugeneKay>Me too. Nifty.
13:58<jchen>thats pretty cool
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13:59<EugeneKay>I should check to make sure all of my ntp servers have proper forwards
13:59<EugeneKay>I'm fairly sure my JP one doesnt
14:00<tubaguy50035>so... longview is pretty as hell
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14:03<eren>fail2ban is just awesome
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14:03<eren>someone tried to brute force smtp with 50+ concurrent connections
14:03<eren>got banned after 4 attempts, hehe
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14:05<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Longview <>
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14:11<dcraig>Longview can monitor any Linux system running a supported distribution - including systems not hosted by Linode.
14:11<dcraig>good thing I can sign up for an account without having an active linode now! :D
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14:12<@stan_theman>tubaguy50035: <3
14:12<James6>does anyone know the chmod command to grant a user all priviledges on a directory?
14:12<tubaguy50035>stan_theman: did you do it? lol
14:12<@stan_theman>part of the 3
14:12<dcraig>chmod u+rwx directory?
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14:12<tubaguy50035>stan_theman: mind a PM?
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14:13<@stan_theman>i'd prefer to keep that in #linode-beta
14:14<@meskarune>James6: if you want a user to own a dir you can do chown -R "username" /path/to/directory or create a group, give the group all permissions, and then all any users you want to that group
14:16<linbot>New news from forum: Linode vs Amazon AWS in General Discussion <>
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14:18<James6>thanks mesk that's what i was looking for
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14:26<@qmr>Please be careful with chown -R
14:27<@mdcollins>Your Linode will love you if every file is owned by a non-root user.
14:27<@mdcollins>And by Love, I mean hate.
14:27*staticsafe chowns mdcollins to nobody:nobody
14:27<XReaper>Did it seriously take me two hours to configure SELinux
14:27<@qmr>-rwsr-xr-x 1 www-data www-data 31360 Oct 14 2010 /bin/ping
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14:27<@qmr>idk, looks fine
14:28<@mdcollins>Isn't that the default perms?
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14:28<XReaper>what did you doo!
14:29<@mdcollins>Well, I better change mine. Don't want to get owned by some script kiddie. :P
14:29<XReaper>I hope the script kiddies don't know how to use SELinux
14:29<rnowak>don't worry, you'll just own yourself
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14:32<gparent>< Peng_> An NTP server operator somewhere thanks you for polluting their logs.
14:32<gparent>Next time I'll go so they aren't so confused
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14:34<XReaper>Cost me 65c for that experiment ;p
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14:35<Peng_>gparent: <3
14:40*XReaper configures SELinux on Peng_
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14:47*gparent recompiles XReaper with -fstack-protector
14:48<XReaper>uh, all my stuff is compiled with that... and more
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14:48<linbot>New news from forum: Linode vs Amazon AWS in General Discussion <>
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14:49<gparent>XReaper: Considering it's usually the gcc default, I hope so.
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14:49<XReaper>I compile my gcc with my gcc :)
14:49<gparent>omg I bet ur cflags are awesome
14:50<XReaper>there are a lot of them, blame the grsec patches
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14:52<Peng_>you should compile gcc with clang
14:53<seanh-corona>Peng_: that's dirty...
14:54<gparent>compile gcc with msvc
14:54<gparent>then cross compile a linux version
14:56<trippeh>some geek porn:
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14:56<trippeh>Live from temporary network in Hamar, Norway :)
14:56<gparent>thanks! *faps*
14:57<Peng_>That's, all, what, 10 Gbps?
14:57<Peng_>oh, some is more
14:57<staticsafe>mmm packets
14:58<trippeh>IIRC dist to core is 40Gbps or something
14:58<trippeh>Internets is 30Gbps, slow this year, was 200Gbps last year ;)
14:58<trippeh>The mrtg is internet
14:59<Nivex>I miss my old LAN parties.
14:59<staticsafe>I want to go to a LAN party, never been to one
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15:01<vidplace7>same, they sound awesome
15:01<eren>trippeh: what's that?
15:01<Native>Right now a 300gbps DDOS is going on
15:01<vidplace7>go back in time to when they still played AOE2 at LAN parties B)
15:02<@psandin>vidplace7: you mean last week?
15:02<@stan_theman>aoe2 is amazing
15:02<vidplace7>hell yeah it is
15:02<XReaper>Native: where
15:02<vidplace7>wait, psandin, people still play AOE2?
15:02<vidplace7>where? sign me up!!
15:03<Native>XReaper google Spamhaus 300Gbps DDOS
15:03<@psandin>Yes we do, also the steam re-release is coming soon, but not soon enough
15:03<XReaper>found it
15:03<Peng_>rmyers: <3 (for answering my ticket)
15:03<eren>seanh-corona: oh great
15:04<XReaper>Native: their site is still up so... boring
15:04<Peng_>(I will hit myself if IRC highlights alert rmyers more urgently than ticket updates.)
15:05<eren>I wish I were there
15:05<rnowak>lul talk about exaggeration
15:05<seanh-corona>there's a long thread still on going on NANOG about about resolvers etc
15:06<eren>are torrents allowed in the gathering? :P
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15:07<staticsafe>seanh-corona: and the Internet Death Penalty :V
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15:08<trippeh>eren: Of course. Why woulnt they be?
15:08<eren>trippeh: then it's even cooler
15:09<trippeh>The network does no filtering either, not even NAT. Its public ip's all around, v4 and v6
15:10<Peng_>Where'd you get teh IPv4 IPs?
15:11<trippeh>There is a range set off in RIPE-land for these kinds of temporary networks
15:11<trippeh>It goes around
15:12<trippeh>IIRC it used to be a /16, not sure if its that big still
15:13<trippeh>Duration of assignment:
15:13<trippeh>Start date: 2013-03-22 End date: 2013-04-02
15:15*eren would really love to play Battlefield 1942
15:15<eren>also, aeo2 is still great
15:15<gparent>trippeh: +1 informative
15:15<gparent>Did not know they temporarily assigned big blocks to things like this
15:17<eren>nordic people are just awesome in geek stuff
15:17<fullstop>I've been playing dead space 3. It's not much of a survival horror anymore, though. co-op is excellent, though.
15:18<eren>that explains why Linux, Nokia, among others came from the north :P
15:18<rnowak>fullstop: CoD: Dead Space
15:18<fullstop>I wouldn't go that far.
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15:19<eren>it's full of darnkess, where you are boread and the only thing fun is to consume alcohol and write code
15:21<fullstop>eren: isn't the opposite true? That is, periods of time with much daylight?
15:21<gparent>fullstop: that's when they do beta testing
15:21<gparent>gotta fix all the drunken code
15:22<fullstop>Depends on if they were riding the ballmer peak.
15:23<eren>The high speed connection is made possible by Altibox, which runs an all-fiber network through Norway. But even that can’t achieve 200Gbit/s alone as Norway’s infrastructure isn’t good enough (yet). For additional capacity, Level 3 has been brought in to offer bandwidth from outside of the country.
15:23<eren>so Altibox just orders Level3 to increase the capacity? I guess they Level3 and Altibox are peers
15:24<trippeh>probably l3 is one of altibox's transit providers
15:25<Native>LEVEL 3 FTW
15:26<gparent>they're not just peers. they're real internet bros.
15:27<trippeh>Heh, seems to be their only transit provider right now in fact. Odd
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15:28<eren>I guess many IXs in Europe are the reason for cheap and high-speed internet connection
15:28<eren>here (Turkey), we pay 2-3 times more for the same connection as Europe
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15:56<gparent>Had two of these fairly recentkly
15:56<gparent>does it happen that often to anyone else?
15:57<rmyers>Peng_: any time!
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15:58<Peng_>gparent: Wait, two of whats?
15:58<mikejones>the mysterious gap in the middle, I guess
15:58<fullstop>gparent: yes, occasionally.
15:58<fullstop>Not as often now.
15:59<mikejones>I haven't had any in the last month certainly
16:01<gparent>alright thanks guys
16:02<gparent>and yes, I meant the gap :)
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16:05<Carst>Hi, after a scheduled reboot i get a "Linode failed to boot for unknown reason. "; can't even safe boot, filed a ticket, but just to check: is this a general problem or just me?
16:05<@caker>it most likely indicates a problem with your Linode itself
16:06<ghosticus>your linode is sick
16:06<ghosticus>it needs meds
16:06<Carst>i was looking for the Paracetamol Reboot, ghosticus
16:06<gparent>Carst: Did you check the out of band console for any errors?
16:06<kyhwana>Carst: is there anything showing up on LISH?
16:06<Peng_>After the upcoming hardware upgrade migrations, will we still need "nobarrier"? Will all of the hosts have new enough Xen stacks that it won't be necessary anymore?
16:07<Carst>LISH says it's unavailable
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16:07<Carst>trying again jsut to be sure
16:07<Carst>no screen to be attached
16:08<Carst>have no clue, just did a small openssh upgrade I think
16:08<Carst>no clue what could be causing it)
16:09<kyhwana>Carst: submit a ticket, i'd say
16:09<tubaguy50035>Carst: there should be a command in lish to view the last lines in the log that it got. Type "help" and it'll say what the command is, I can't remember.
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16:10<Carst>i submitted a ticket 15 mins ago, was just popping in here to see if it's a general thing or not
16:10<Carst>@ tuba: checking it out, didn't know that was possible
16:10<@akerl>Carst: It shouldn't be a general thing, but we don't do official support via IRC; we'll get your ticket updated as fast as possible
16:10<Carst>ok thx! will wait for that + check out the lish help/last log thing
16:11<gparent>Carst: I have not rebooted my Linode recently, but it should be a rare occurance.
16:11<Peng_>tubaguy50035: logview fyi
16:11<Carst>Lish now is working
16:11<Carst>and has been solved through tickets
16:11<Carst>that was really fast :)
16:11<tubaguy50035>well there ya go :)
16:12<Carst>have a nice day, everyone
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16:13<gparent>"htop 0.8.3 aborted. Please report bug at"
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16:13<gparent>you know if I did that every time, htop would probably ban me from their mailing list because that's literally all the info it gives.
16:14<gparent>I need to run it in debug mode for a few months or something
16:14<tubaguy50035>gparent: what do you do to get that?
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16:15<gparent>tubaguy50035: Talk to you guys while htop idles and crashes.
16:15<gparent>I'll try seeing if it has verbose output
16:16<gparent>It has happened something like 20 times over a few months
16:18<fullstop>I have never had htop crash
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16:29<@caker>Peng_: nobarrier won't be needed after
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16:30<Peng_>caker: Neato.
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16:33<@akerl>I'll probably leave nobarrier in there; it seems more neighborly
16:35<rnowak>you shall pass
16:37<Peng_>AIUI barriers are unnecessary because BBU?
16:37<Peng_>And they have "some performance" cost?
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16:37*Peng_ knows basically nothing
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16:40<Peng_> <- SoftLayer/The Planet is near the top. >_>
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16:41<tubaguy50035>Peng_: woot woot!
16:41<ghosticus>they should aim for #1
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16:44<Consdale>Hi guys - quick question .. does mean mail is been sent from my server unknowingly? Checked to see if it's an open relay and it's not
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16:45<gparent>I get those all the time, and I'm hosted at google.
16:45<gparent>Probably has to do with spoofed information (or just spam)
16:45<kyhwana>gparent: it just says that it couldn't find an AAAA record for ?
16:46<gparent>kyhwana: Mine show up with various other errors, but you're right
16:46<gparent>I didn't pay nearly enough attention
16:46<gparent>Consdale: Is that your domain?
16:46<gparent>The ones I get are usually not from my domain
16:46<Consdale>Yeah that's my domain.
16:46<kyhwana>yeah, doesn't have an A record
16:47<kyhwana>or did you mean
16:47<Consdale>There's a good few hundred of them over the months aswell.
16:53<Peng_>If Linode's DNS resolvers ever go down, just enter your /24 into and borrow a neighbor's. :D
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16:54<gparent>Consdale: I get a ton.
16:54<gparent>I can sample you some
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16:54<gparent>Actually that's a lie
16:54<gparent>I could, but I wiped my spam inbox recently.
16:55<Consdale>gparent: thanks for confirming my initial thought
16:56<gparent>Consdale: Yeah, keep tabs on it, but unless your mail server logs are telling you you're sending mail out that you shouldn't, consider it internet noise.
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17:02<Peng_>Unless something is sending mail without putting it in your logs.
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17:02<Consdale>well, just checked the logs and nothing is standing out
17:02<@qmr>u so funny Peng_
17:03<Consdale>Cheers guys!
17:03<@qmr>gparent: I've only seen it crash on macos
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17:06<linbot>New news from forum: Linode Longview in Current Betas <>
17:08<gparent>qmr: Weird. This is on my debian linode.
17:09<@qmr>gparent: did you happen to resize the terminal htop was running in? that's what causes it to crash for me on macos
17:10<retro|blah>I've noticed this happen on a 64-bit baremetal machine as well over ssh. Hasn't happened on my (32-bit) Linode yet
17:10<gparent>qmr: I might have accidentally clicked on it or resized it, and you're right, that's how I get most of my crashes too.
17:10<gparent>Resizing or layout changing
17:10<retro|blah>Well, the only indication I get that it crashed most of the time is that the tmux window disappears. lol
17:10<gparent>Anyway, it's not a big deal.
17:11<gparent>I have bigger things to worry about like fixing my syslog rotation
17:11<gparent>I think I got that to work though
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17:14<@qmr>psh, who needs logs
17:14<@qmr>pesky things, take up disk space and use IO ops
17:15<Peng_>qmr: Make /var/log a tmpfs then.
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17:17<linbot>New news from forum: Existing Linode Graphs in Current Betas <> || Linode Longview in Current Betas <>
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17:23<linbot>New news from forum: Existing Linode Graphs in Current Betas <>
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17:31<Peng_>get to da beta!
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17:33<linbot>New news from forum: Centos Time in General Discussion <>
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17:45<jchen>psandin were u not good enough to be an ocelot
17:45<KyleXY>mmmm new beta time
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17:49<linbot>New news from forum: Linode Longview beta! in Current Betas <>
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17:55<andrewsss>hey guys
17:56<andrewsss>I need some help
17:56<andrewsss>is there any way to check what time was a rule added to iptables?
17:56<@heckman>If your shell logs the time a command was ran, yes.
17:56<@heckman>Otherwise, no
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17:57<Peng_>If you ran it via sudo, it'll be in auth.log.
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18:01<sultanselephant>there we go
18:05<TecnoBrat>no way .. longview tells me about outdated packages?
18:05<tubaguy50035>TecnoBrat: :) oh hello lol
18:05<@stan_theman>TecnoBrat: :)
18:05<TecnoBrat>rnowak: wasn't it you who I was talking to about package updates and how to better manage this .. like 2 days ago?
18:06<TecnoBrat>sneaky linode!
18:06<rnowak>TecnoBrat: yeah, this isn't it.
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18:06<TecnoBrat>at least I can see which ones need updating ... without logging into the servers
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18:06<TecnoBrat>btw, the install is freaking SLICK
18:07<@stan_theman>awesome, glad you're liking it!
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18:07<TecnoBrat>Ubuntu 12.04 = flawless
18:08<TecnoBrat>Can I run the same command on all of my servers, or do I have to do them one by one?
18:08<@stan_theman>the install url is use-once, so you'll have do them each by hand for now
18:09<TecnoBrat>I have 22 linodes hehe
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18:09<@stan_theman>#linode-beta is a good place to be too, we're all yapping about it
18:09<TecnoBrat>woot, kk
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18:15<@stan_theman>hi ytsejam
18:15<ytsejam>I use linode and installed arch linux. When I set my DocumentRoot to "home/ytsejam/public" I get 403 error
18:16<tonyyarusso>TecnoBrat: what's longview?
18:16<ytsejam>hi stan_theman
18:16<praetorian>with an extra leg
18:17<kyhwana>ytsejam: are you permissions setup right? your web server needs to be able to read the files in that directory
18:18<tonyyarusso>stan_theman: Ah. Interesting, but seems redundant to my Icinga/Nagios stuff.
18:18<ytsejam>kyhwana .. Am I doing the right way I changed DocumentRoot /srv/http to DocumentRoot /home/ytsejam/public
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18:19<ytsejam>and made chmod a+rx ~ / chmod -R a+rx ~/public/
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18:20<@stan_theman>tonyyarusso: ah. depends on what you've got set up. either way, beta is going on, if you're interested, just open a ticket
18:21<@stan_theman>#linode-beta is the longview place atm
18:21<DrJ>stan_theman, will longview be billed per server or will you just pay for access to it and then have an unlimited amount
18:21<DrJ>or can you say
18:21<@stan_theman>none of the billing stuff is finalized yet
18:22<kyhwana>ytsejam: hmm, you made your homedirectory world readable? probably not what you wanted, but OK. also, you need a / infront of home/ytsejam/public
18:22<DrJ>can you hint at which way it probably will be
18:22<@stan_theman>you can upgrade specific boxes to pro if you want that accuracy
18:22<DrJ>so per server
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18:24<TecnoBrat>5609GB Used, 52326GB Remaining, 57935GB Quota ... I think I would have been close to my limit
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18:30<ytsejam>kyhwana sorry to bother you again . I follow guide here I can see "srv/http" but I cant see "home/ytsejam/public/....". what are correct permissions?
18:32<kyhwana>ytsejam: why are you using "home/ytsejam/public/" ?
18:34<ytsejam>I am trying to use virtual hosts for apache
18:34<kyhwana>ytsejam: so why not follow the guide? use /srv/http/ ?
18:37<ytsejam>kyhwana public_html or public . does it matter?
18:37<ytsejam>hmmm got it
18:40<kyhwana>ytsejam: as long as it's consistent everywhere
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18:48<ytsejam>this works as I wanted
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18:54<ytsejam>thanks kyhwana for your help
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19:02<devilspgd>So apparently Linodes aren't perfect, I had a "host" issue. Who does that? ;)
19:02<linbot>New news from forum: Centos Time in General Discussion <>
19:04<eld101>host issue smost issue
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19:36<tubaguy50035>any issues in dallas? Seeing 20 - 40 % packet loss at the host
19:36<TecnoBrat>hmm .. noting on my montitoring from CA
19:37<tubaguy50035>getting the reverse...
19:37<tubaguy50035>loss all over the place
19:37<TecnoBrat>just v6?
19:37<TecnoBrat>or both
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19:37<tubaguy50035>that second one is ipv4
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19:38<TecnoBrat>tubaguy50035: can you try (its in Dallas)
19:39<TecnoBrat>cause I'm not seeing any loss to it
19:39<tubaguy50035>TecnoBrat: I'm not either. I wonder if it's just my dallas host.
19:39<tubaguy50035>mtr from california to dallas shows loss at dallas node also
19:40<tubaguy50035>from fremont to dallas:
19:40<TecnoBrat>open a ticket .. sounds like your node to me
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19:41<TecnoBrat>I'm getting loss to that also
19:41<TecnoBrat>but not to any of my Dallas nodes
19:41<tubaguy50035>none of our other nodes are affected
19:43<tubaguy50035>gar, was hoping not to have to open a ticket haha
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19:49<tubaguy50035>TecnoBrat: DoS. Fun times.
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19:50<TecnoBrat>tubaguy50035: against you?
19:50<tubaguy50035>TecnoBrat: No. Neighbor.
19:53<rnowak>if only the pipes were more like tubas than trumpets
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19:54<tubaguy50035>rnowak: yes :()
19:55<tubaguy50035>:) *
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19:59<TecnoBrat>wow ... called a local computer place
19:59<TecnoBrat>my power supply blew
19:59<TecnoBrat>I asked "do you sell power supplies?" ... "you mean like a power cord?"
20:01<TecnoBrat>"A power supply that goes into a computer" .. "yea .. a power cord"
20:01<TecnoBrat>"No, where you have to OPEN IT UP AND PUT IT INSIDE"
20:01<ghosticus>"you mean like a power cord?"
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20:46<milovisnick>So what are the odds that 2 different servers, 2 different sites disks go 100% full in the same week
20:46<milovisnick>Something is fishy
20:47<milovisnick>servers are with different companies too one is linode and the other hetzner
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20:49<Peng_>Well, find out what happened.
20:49<Peng_>You're right, that is weird, bu there's no need to speculate.
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20:51<JStoker_>Hi! I followed this howto... almost a year ago, , and have came to the point of thinking "I want to update my kernel". (I'm on 32-bit debian squeeze). The package 'linux-image-xen-686' is 2.6.32+29... Is there another package name for the xen-compatable kernel in debian?
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20:51<Peng_>I have an IPv6-only hostname. So, obviously, Baidu's web crawler sends HTTP requests for its hostname to a completely unrelated IPv4 address of mine.
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20:53<Peng_>JStoker_: If you want a newer kernel, switch back to Linode kernels, or use a newer distro.
20:54<Peng_>JStoker_: Distro releases tend to pick one major kernel release and stick with it. In Debian Squeeze's case, 2.6.32.
20:54<JStoker_>Peng_: That's the other option, yeah. I can't really remember why I went pv-grub in the first place now. Hehe.
20:55<retro|blah>squeeze-backports has linux-base 3.4 it appears
20:55<JStoker_>Peng_: I notice linux-image-686-pae is 3.2, and a few of the other kernels as 3.2, so that's why I wondered why it didn't have the xen one
20:55<Peng_>Ooh, backports. Didn't think of that.
20:55<swaj>wheezy soon :)
20:56<Peng_>JStoker_: It's 3.2 in backports.
20:57<JStoker_>Aah, OK. Didn't realise I had backports on here, hehe. Explains a lot. I think I might just go revert to the linode kernels again, can't recall what i needed pv-grub for anyway
20:58<Peng_>Hmm, linux-image-xen-686 has Xen *dom0* support along with domU support.
20:58<Peng_>Maybe there's another kernel that just has domU support you could use, that has a newer backport?
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20:58<Peng_>(linux-image-xen-686 doesn't seem to have any backports.)
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21:01<JStoker_>OK. My other question is if anyone knows how I'd go about resizing the disk on the linode (so i can make use of that 4g extra space) (in particular, focusing on the resizing of the filesystem part. I doubt I can do that while it's booted on that disk, so is it something I should boot into finnix to do?)
21:01<swaj>caker: are you selling old retired host machines? :)
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21:01<kyhwana>JStoker_: shut the node down, then resize it
21:02<StevenK>JStoker_: The Linode Manager can do the resize
21:02<JStoker_>Does the manager resize the filesystem too, for me?
21:03<Peng_>JStoker_: Unless you made it a raw image, yes.
21:03<JStoker_>Huh, awesome. Less work for me then! :D
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21:05<swaj>are new linodes being provisioned on the E5 hardware yet?
21:06<Peng_>Get one and find out ;D
21:07<swaj>spinning up on newark606 :P
21:08<danblack>Oh, if you happen to allocate a ext3 disk, format it as something else, you're stuffed if you want to resize it.
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21:08<Peng_>I don't *think* it'll screw up your stuff, though.
21:08<Peng_>* Don't sue me.
21:09<swaj>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz
21:09<danblack>no - it just happed to refuse to resize.
21:12<trippeh>woot, .no -> linode uk rtt just dropped by 4ms
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21:19<Peng_>What's the total RTT now?
21:20<cafuego>I see your 28ms and raise you rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 329.453/329.983/331.379/0.736 ms
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21:21<trippeh>Oh lord.
21:21<cafuego>it's udner 400, that means it's a good day :-)
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21:22<milovisnick>Any server admins for hire online? I need to transfer an entire site from one server, to a new upgraded one :/
21:23<tubaguy50035>milovisnick: pm me
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21:39<chesty>i'll do it for whatever tubaguy50035 quotes + $100
21:39<tubaguy50035>he never pm'd me. so good luck to you :)
21:40<kyhwana>hrm, if you put a "location ~ \.php$" .. block inside another location block, is php only able to be run from the block it's inside
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21:50<chesty>cool, the new blog post is up
21:50<kyhwana>chesty: !
21:51<kyhwana>chesty: lies! stop doing that
21:51<kyhwana>You got me all excited for nothing
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21:52<gparent>I'm glad you caught them chesty, saved me from getting excited and checking.
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22:05<staticsafe> :o
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22:09<squircle>I think I'm the only person in the world who doesn't like the Obihai ATAs
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22:12*staticsafe has no experience with SIP/VoIP
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22:27<chesty>i don't want to be the boy who cried wolf, but the blog post really is up now. sheesh, talk about bad timing
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22:28*staticsafe slaps chesty
22:28<tubaguy50035>chesty: jokes on you. you are a wolf..
22:28<kyhwana>*watches get DDoSed*
22:32<G>chesty: if it was, you'd be a man and post the link ;)
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22:36<jchen>chesty: liar
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22:40<G>chesty: you could at least get the date right ;)
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22:42<G>chesty: also, you missed the perfect rickroll chance
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22:47<linbot>New news from announcements: Linode nextgen hardware, part two:
22:51<G>whoever did that, gets a free beer next time we are in the same city :)
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23:43<Fieldy>when I go to deploy a distribution, is the ubuntu listed ubuntu server?
23:43<@akerl>All our distro images are minimal "server" (non-graphical) deployments
23:45<Fieldy>are new linodes on the new hardware at this point for Atlanta?
23:46<@akerl>Potentially, but it's not guaranteed.
23:46<kyhwana>Fieldy: I don't think so, someone tried making a new one somewhere and got the old hardware
23:46<Fieldy>ok. i just don't want to install and get all set up and then have to migrate later
23:46<Fieldy>is there a datacenter where i can deploy and be sure i will get the new hardware?
23:47<kyhwana>Fieldy: well, if part3 of the nextgen thing IS a ram upgrade, you'd have to reboot/get migrated for that anyway
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23:48<Fieldy>reboot is fine. by migrated are we talking an automated thing with some minor downtime, or a full manual migration by me? i'm already migrating from my old server (linode) to a new one and new distro, i'd hate to have to go through it again
23:49<kyhwana>I don't think. If you got on the new E5 hardware, if there is a ram upgrade it might only be a reboot. But I don't know for sure
23:49<kyhwana>If you get on the old hard ware and part3 is a RAM upgrade, that'd probably be a full migration
23:50<Fieldy>i might be missing something, is a full migration automated or do I have to basically reinstall?
23:50<kyhwana>oh, it'd be copying your node images over to a new machine, within the same DC
23:51<kyhwana>So you'd keep your old IP, etc. Downtime would be just however long it took to copy over and then restart
23:51<G>Fieldy: migrations are just you click a button and it scp's the images between hosts
23:51<Fieldy>oh okay. that's fine. i'm trying to avoid a 3rd reinstall from scratch. i need to do this quickly because due to my own mistakes, i've heavily hosed my current server -- a reboot of that would be a disaster.
23:51<kyhwana>You submit a ticket saying "oh hai can I be migrated please" and then you get your disk images copied across onto a new host, hit boot, you're done
23:52<G>Fieldy: if it's in DC nothing changes when it comes up again, if it's cross DC then you get a new IP
23:52<Fieldy>does having encrypted partitions make the automated transfer impossible?
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23:52<G>Fieldy: nope, it copies the underlying storage
23:52<Fieldy>ah excellent
23:52<Fieldy>just raw bits.
23:52<G>Fieldy: yep
23:53<Fieldy>so, if I add a new linode now, and it's on old hardware, i get set up, and it's time to move to new hardware, it's just the automated (after a request) move and deal with the minor downtime? and in the same DC i keep my ips? sorry for the repeat questions, i just want to make sure i understand
23:54<Fieldy>"keep my ips" releative to the new linode.
23:54<kyhwana>Fieldy: pretty much, yeah
23:54<Fieldy>well if that's the case i'm fine
23:55<Fieldy>the plans sure come with a HELL of a lot more resources than when i set up last time hehe. very cool
23:55<imMute>Fieldy: yay, free upgrades!
23:55<Fieldy>finally, i don't see a linode 1536 package listed, does it still exist?
23:56<kyhwana>Fieldy: part3 of the nextgen upgrades may or may not be RAM doubling
23:56<kyhwana>Fieldy: yes, but you can't create new nodes on that size plan, but you can still upgrade an existing one.
23:57<jchen>the in-betweens are phased out of new signups
23:57<Fieldy>that's fine. 1024 would be a hint too tight and put me into swap more than I like, 2048 leaves plenty of room and nice buffers/cache
23:57<jchen>if in doubt go higher :P
23:58<Fieldy>well that's all good news. thanks a lot everybody. i'm going to get a 2048 and start moving my stuff over there. it'll be nice to get all that set up and get off my current server... which is really hobbling along and in really bad shape (all my fault)
23:58<kyhwana>Fieldy: there's also a shiney new graphing thing in beta, if you don't have any system stats graphing setup
23:58<Fieldy>dig it
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.24239156, 0.81714216) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 434968 of 553537 (π ≈ 3.143190066788670 - 0.001597413198877). http://π
23:59<Fieldy>heh... as it stands, i boned my current server to the point that a reboot would probably result in it never coming up again properly. fun times... here we come 2048.
23:59<Fieldy>it's not fun having that hanging over my head. lessons learned
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