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#linode IRC Logs for 2013-05-01

---Logopened Wed May 01 00:00:14 2013
---Daychanged Wed May 01 2013
00:00<kyhwana_>Corey_: it's been the 1st for 16 hours
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00:04<linbot>New news from forum: Test Preview Multiple Websites in Windows PC in General Discussion <>
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00:19<TeddyR>the magic of the interwebs routing... does the ipv6 path from fremont to newark really go through a hop in Canada? ?
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00:20<kyhwana_>TeddyR: whats hope 7?
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00:21<kyhwana_>(that is, is it possible to go from 7 to 8 in 15ms?
00:23<TeddyR>7 is " 7.|--"
00:24<kyhwana_>whats 4-5?
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00:25<TeddyR>redone with the -w switch:
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00:26<jaredrhizor>Does anyone have experience with red5 or flash media server on linode servers? I'm wondering how many simultaneous audio connections can be handled on one of the VPS levels.
00:26<kyhwana_>jaredrhizor: probably limited by bandwidth there. by default it's 250mbit/s
00:27<linbot>New news from status: COMPLETE - Network Maintenance in All Datacenters: April 30 and May 1, 2013 <>
00:28<Ikaros>Poo, Dallas was last. THAT'S AN INSULT :O
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00:29<pharaun>i wonder how long it will take to unlock at godaddy
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00:30<Ikaros>Whenever they damn well feel like it.
00:30<Ikaros>Of course they could just come back and tell you "sorry, you have to pay us more to continue processing"
00:31<Peng_>Ikaros: It's not an insult -- it's an honor. The others were guinea pigs.
00:31<linbot>New news from forum: Test Preview Multiple Websites in Windows PC in General Discussion <>
00:31<Peng_>err, re: dallas
00:32<pharaun>Ikaros: indeed
00:32<Ikaros>Well you know why I said that right
00:32<pharaun>god wwhat a pain
00:32<pharaun>shitty web-interface
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00:32<Ikaros>Considering I grew up in and live in the same area.
00:33<cjaredrun>great savings on every link pharaun~
00:33<Ikaros>pharaun: Or they could be like I am right now, just sitting lazily in their office chairs, feet kicked back on the desk, laughing at your futile efforts.
00:34<Ikaros>Except the laughing part. That I'm not doing.
00:35<Ikaros>I swear, customer service nowadays is so pathetically crappy it's not even funny anymore.
00:35<Ikaros>I say that in the midst of a few shining stars in that field. *wink*
00:35<TeddyR>nah,,,, Linode just messed it up for everyone else....
00:36<Ikaros>I used to work in the customer service field.
00:36<Ikaros>Funny thing, they teach you to be shitty.
00:36<Ikaros>You go against it, you're fired.
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00:37<Ikaros>Whatever saves THEM money. It's so pathetic.
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00:37<pharaun>Ikaros: resistance is futile
00:37<Ikaros>Especially to those who go out of their way to help others in a field that's rapidly deteriorating.
00:39<Ikaros>I used to be a rep. I got fired for doing the right thing instead of doing whatever the hell they wanted me to. They literally train you not to give them anything they ask for. Canned responses. etc
00:40<Ikaros>The day they let me go...last words out of my mouth to my supervisor, were...well, quite vulgar, but in a condensed nutshell..."I hope your company goes to hell"
00:40<pharaun>Ikaros: call centers generally are a cost-center
00:41<Ikaros>Ya, well, they were paying me to be a CSR. I did what I was paid to do. And I get fired.
00:41<Ikaros>Customer service rep.
00:42<pharaun>ah k
00:42<Ikaros>But anyway that's just mucked up.
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00:42<Ikaros>So I was more than happy to walk out of that building with both middle fingers fully extended at the security people.
00:43<Ikaros>But point is, I can relate how GoDaddy is. I used to host domains with them and all they cared about was money. I had a problem, I usually got a canned response. Or no response at all. And can I blame 'em? Likely not because they're probably trained in the same manner.
00:44<bob2>also because by picking goddaddy you explicitly agreed to "YES I WANT SHITTY SERVICE + SUPPORT + TO FUND NOTED ELEPHANT KILLER BOB PARSONS"
00:45<Ikaros>Hell, soon as I read that I laughed my friggin' ass off
00:46<Ikaros>By that point I'd already gotten all my domains off.
00:46<pharaun>transferring now
00:46<pharaun>sweet, let's see
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00:50<pharaun>whoa detailed pdf and stuff for their condition/contracts
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01:00<pharaun>oh come on
01:00<pharaun>now stuck in waiting hell for godaddy to accept the transfer
01:01<Lorentz>watch as godaddy takes away your domain
01:01<cjaredrun>they'll auction it off for a fair price :P
01:02<pharaun>hurry the fuck up
01:04<pharaun>yes! gandi switched to in progress
01:04<pharaun>fromm waiting
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01:15<pharaun>and there i see it popping up in godaddy time to kill this shit
01:19<praetorian>pharaun: who did you switch to?
01:19<praetorian>dont make me read back
01:19<pharaun>praetorian: yes i will make you read
01:19<pharaun>praetorian: gandi
01:19<praetorian>ah huh
01:20<pharaun>praetorian: forgot i had domain with godaddy
01:20<pharaun>till i got an email reminder, so i transferred that shit off proto
01:20<pharaun>praetorian: cons of multiple-years long payment options and buying it years ago
01:21<praetorian>i know all my domains, even tho they are over multiple vendors :p
01:21<pharaun>praetorian: i set it up once, years ago
01:21<praetorian>i transferred my domains off godaddy.. some iwth 10year regos
01:21<pharaun>then never thought about it again
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01:22<praetorian>i should work out if im going to renew
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01:23<pharaun>praetorian: renew them all, your domains are eternal ;p
01:23<praetorian>i have been
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01:23<praetorian>i did let one domain expire.. as it was only for a gag
01:23<praetorian>tho in hindsight, it was a kinda cool name
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01:29<Nightmare>Happy Linode billing day
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01:34<pharaun>heh :p
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01:43<pharaun>i think i just finished this
01:43<pharaun>now timme to wait till "may 4th"
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02:12<linbot>New news from forum: Test Preview Multiple Websites in Windows PC in General Discussion <> || Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <>
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02:17<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <> || Longview: Errors starting longview CentOS 6.4 x64 in Current Betas <>
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03:10<grawity>is it bad that lish-london and lish-tokyo have the same SSH hostkey?
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03:17<@akerl>Secretly we never had a Tokyo datacenter, it's been in london the whole time
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03:22<jchen>its called the cloud
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03:23<Kane`>my linode doesn't seem to want to talk to the outside world
03:23<Kane`>only lets me connect via lish
03:24<Kane`>can't ping it's gateway either
03:24<kyhwana_>Kane`: whats your linodes IP? what did you change?
03:24<Kane`>installed clamav recently
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03:24<kyhwana_>changed any firewall rules?
03:24<Kane`>just flushed iptables also
03:25<Kane`>no affect
03:25<kyhwana_>what about v6? what does "ip addr show eth0" show?
03:26<Kane`>i don't have a v6 ip on this computer. so i dunno if that's working
03:26<kyhwana_>no v6 huh?
03:27<@akerl>Kane`: What kernel are you running?
03:27<@akerl>Also, pastebin your network config?
03:28<Kane`>network config ^
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03:28<@akerl>Try rebooting into the "Latest 32 bit" kernel?
03:28<Kane`>do that via linode dashboard?
03:28<Kane`>or should i update the kernel on the linode itself?
03:28<@akerl>Via the Manager
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03:29<Kane`>i'll try that. don't need to make any changes to the linode to accomodate that kernel?
03:29<Kane`>re. modules and shit?
03:29*Kane` reboots
03:30*lakridserne check that Kane` boots up
03:31<TeddyR>Kane: hmm... before you rebooted, telnet to port 22 had a banner response (from a node in fremont)
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03:31<Kane`>i don't have ssh on port 22 ._.
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03:32<lakridserne>Kane`: You can telnet to your ssh port then...
03:32<Kane`>rebooted. running 3.8.4-linode50.
03:32<@akerl>lakridserne: I don't think that was his point
03:33<lakridserne>akerl: I see, I just re-read it...
03:33<Kane`>seems to be working fine now. unfortunately, the problem seems to be triggered by /something/. i'll let it run for a while and see if it's triggered again
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03:34<TeddyR>open a ticket... and double check you are using the right ip address... [staff would be able to check if someone tried to use the IP assigned to you (if thats even possible on linode)]
03:36<Kane`>my linode's got it's correct ip. though, i guess somebody else could be trying to use it too and causing a conflict?
03:37<Kane`>i'll let this new kernel run for a while before opening a ticket
03:37<Kane`>update may have fixed it
03:37<@akerl>TeddyR: Wat
03:40<dcraig>I would never steal that IP... every octet is an odd number :(
03:41<dcraig>at least 173 is prime
03:42<@akerl>TeddyR: Why would we *log* that...
03:42<TeddyR>akerl: the symptoms he had could have been an IP conflict.. I did not know how linodes system would react if someone misconfigured a static op on their node conflicting with Kanes ip.. Since I was able to reach port 22 before the reboot.... and he does not have ssh running.... come to think if it... how WOULD linodes system react if someone "misconfigured" the IP address on their linode (either
03:42<TeddyR>accidentally or intentionally)
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03:43<@akerl>TeddyR: If you were able to hit 22 on that IP, either he was listening on 22 or your system has broken routing that's sending your requests elsewhere
03:45<@akerl>Linode's system would react to you bringing up the wrong IP by not caring. You could bring up, but you'll still only going to get traffic for your IP
03:45<Neal>TeddyR: if that was possible, why would people buy additional ip's? :P
03:45<Nightmare>i'm confuse
03:47<TeddyR>akerl already responded. Its not possible in linodia,,, :-)
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03:51<TeddyR>and as of now I cannot reach that address at all (or its totally firewalled off). so.. moot point...
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03:58*TeddyR goes back to reading the ISC Bind ARM.... and waiting for the Fremont announcement hoping it comes soon... :-)
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04:14<linbot>New news from forum: get Linode info from api within the linode in General Discussion <>
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04:18<chesty>does anyone know off the top of their heads how to take over a tty? I have an xterm on the console I want to take over from an ssh session
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04:26<kyhwana_>chesty: yep
04:26<kyhwana_>well, use reptyr :P
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04:28<chesty>kyhwana_: thanks, i just found it via google, next time shout louder
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04:35<chesty>trouble is, the process I want to take over is apt-get, and to get reptyr i need to run apt-get
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04:38<@akerl>make reptyr from source?
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05:17<chesty>probably the easiest way is to download the deb and extract it rather than install it. but it's not that important, I'll be back onsite tomorrow
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05:51<lakridserne>Aren't there anyone who've built a time machine, so I can roll forward in time 2 months?
05:53<kyhwana_>lakridserne: goto sleep for 2 months
05:54<lakridserne>kyhwana_: nah... I have a feeling people wouldn't appreciate that
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06:19<chesty>is this hoopycats uni?
06:20<praetorian>why? :P
06:21<lakridserne>While you're at it, this is where I'm studying:
06:25<chesty>praetorian: i got some spam from
06:25<chesty>poor gina rinehart is dying of cancer
06:25<chesty>but the witch, with all her billions, only wants to give me 24 mil
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06:29<linbot>New news from forum: Test Preview Multiple Websites in Windows PC in General Discussion <>
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06:50<lakridserne>Yaakov: Not HIGE today?
06:52<Yaakov>Nope. Less hairy today.
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07:08<chesty>Yaakov: not the beard?
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07:26<Yaakov>bash: bad interpreter
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07:28<praetorian>happy linode billing day.
07:28<praetorian>Yaakov: <3
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07:29<wabz>hi, my linode seems ot have lost network connectivty again (this happened a couple of days ago)
07:29<praetorian>you didnt revert the kernel by chance did oyu
07:29<wabz>I was advised to update the kernel and reboot, which fixed it, but now I don't think that was the issue
07:29<@qmr>are you sure you updated your configuration profile?
07:29<@qmr>..are you sure you updated your configuration profile? :)
07:30<@qmr>This issue should be corrected in 3.8.4
07:30<wabz>I must have chosen the next-to-latest :(
07:31<wabz>I was on 2.6 before
07:31<wabz>and it didn't screw up for many years!
07:32<praetorian>what bad admining :p
07:32<wabz>rebooting is hard
07:32<wabz>I don't know much about virt stuff at all
07:32<wabz>but how does ksplice and this set up work?
07:33<@qmr>pretty sure that's not built in to our kernels. You might be able to do that by using a custom kernel
07:36<wabz>dhcpack hooray
07:39<lakridserne>qmr: Just curious - what payment gateway/merchant account does linode use?
07:39<purrdeta>I doubt they'll tell you
07:40<purrdeta>but it can't hurt to ask
07:40<lakridserne>purrdeta: I could be lucky ;)
07:40<purrdeta>truth :D
07:41<@qmr>lakridserne: that is not information we would disclose.
07:41<lakridserne>qmr: Alright
07:41<wabz>qmr: there's scheduled maintenance for my host coming up, can I found out what that is?
07:41<wabz>just out of curiosity
07:41<@akerl>It's scheduled maintenance
07:42<purrdeta>wabz: Newark 610? :)
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07:43<ftc>anyone know what the go is with the ram upgrades for fremont?
07:43<bob2>uml 0day duh
07:43<lakridserne>ftc: Linode do...
07:43<bob2>ftc, linode has, afaik, never preannounced anything ever
07:43<lakridserne>ftc: They say they'll release a blog post with it soon
07:43<ftc>ah k
07:44<@akerl>I +1 the days_remaining counter every time somebody asks on IRC :P
07:44<wabz>I was just about to upgrade my linode when the ram upgrade was announced
07:44<lakridserne>akerl: Then we're probably never going to see that blog post
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07:55<steveg>its the classic "Free Beer Tomorrow" sign you see in bars...
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08:00<Fieldy>good morning, any known issues in atlanta? only a few packets are making it to my server, and trying to ssh into times out. MTR on tcp port 22 to that shows 80% packet loss starting one hop before linode:
08:02<@qmr>We are aware of some blips and we are working on the issue now
08:03<Fieldy>qmr: great, thank you for the quick response :)
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08:03<Fieldy>it appears it cleared up, lemme give it a fling
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08:13<Fieldy>atlanta seems good now, thanks for the quick action
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08:15<linbot>New news from forum: Longview service not started after reboot (CentOS 6.4 x64) in Current Betas <>
08:15<@qmr>dear lazyweb: what terminal font and size do you like, and why?
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08:35<k00pa_>anyway possible to pay using paypal or something like that?
08:35<k00pa_>I dont really want to give my cc number after the recent events..
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08:35<bob2>pretty sure the faq says no
08:35<bob2>you can buy a prepaid visa if you want
08:36<@qmr> (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ಠ_ಠ testing .. o O 0 1 l |
08:36<linbot>I read in the FAQ you don't take paypal. Do you take paypal?
08:36<k00pa>well thats simple enough response
08:36<@qmr>If you are in US ( and maybe CA? ) you can get the "PayPal Business Debit Card" thing
08:36<bob2>or suck it up since it is your bank or linode that pays for fraud not you
08:37<bob2>well, indirectly anyway
08:37<bob2>merchant fees are a drag on the global economy man
08:37<@akerl>I actually charge all fraud to qmr's card, so it's cool
08:39<jeremyc>dwfreed: regarding my increased response time issue from yesterday. looked at the gc logs and under load young-gen collections happen several times per second. The objects I'm using aren't huge, but there are a good number of them. also - I'm not using a db connection pooler which is likely contributing.
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08:42<k00pa>well fuck it, whatever, linode gets one more change
08:43<k00pa>I am still not happy with the incident handling..
08:44<bob2>I'm not happy about Paddle Pops shrinking in size over time while going *up* in cost
08:51<Varadin>Or how about rocket pops...
08:54<Nightmare>I'm not happy that some old guy gave me a weird look while I was at Kroger's a few weeks ago :(
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08:56<@qmr>I haven't seen a Kroger for awhile
08:57<purrdeta>They are all over north texas
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08:58<anew> i'm trying to follow this tut on how to sftp into my linnode and edit files as user
08:58<anew>but not really working, i have my public/private set up
08:59<anew>i edited /etc/sudoers
08:59<anew>but still cant edit files
09:00<rnowak>yeah, don't do that
09:01<anew>why ?
09:03<bob2>why would you do that
09:03<@akerl>oh lord
09:04<rnowak>because it is a ReallyBadIdea(tm)
09:04<anew>really i mean this tutorial is linked from linode
09:04<bob2>who cares
09:04<anew>so what should i do then? if i want to ftp in and edit files
09:04<bob2>what are you trying to accomplish?
09:05<@akerl>You connect via SSH and edit them?
09:05<@akerl>ssh user@host ; vim /path/to/file
09:05<anew>no i connect with an ftp client winscp
09:06<@qmr>You really should not use FTP
09:06<iBotPeaches>why, thats not safe or a good idea
09:06<@akerl>Sure; then connect to SFTP via WinSCP and push files to/from your Linode
09:06<bob2>anew, what files?
09:06<bob2>and if you say php, I'll drink this bourbon
09:06<anew>just like apache2.conf and stuff
09:06<bob2>yeah, don't do that
09:07<bob2>ssh in and edit them
09:07<anew>i dont get it what is so unsecure about sftp
09:07<@akerl>Or put them in version control and live a long, happy life
09:07<bob2>sftp is fine
09:07<bob2>escalating to root is hard and silly
09:07<@akerl>SFTP != FTP
09:07<@qmr>pfft, version control is for people that don't know what they're doing!
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09:07<@akerl>qmr: On the contrary, version control is for people who do know what they're doing, as well as what they did last week and the month before that
09:08<anew>if i have to sudo nano a file, what is the difference if i do that with ssh or if i do it with sftp
09:08<@Perihelion>(They said they were using SFTP when they came in btw)
09:08<@akerl>Perihelion: Yea, reading appears to be beyond some of us
09:08<nachtkriecher>hey guys, can someone explain why my syslog was owned by the messagebus user?
09:08<@akerl>nachtkriecher: That's a question better asked to your distro's devs
09:08<rnowak>you can not be asked for a password when you try to perform this hack to escalate privileges to root while doing sftp
09:09<@akerl>We don't futz with groups on files
09:09<rnowak>urmom futzed with a group
09:09<nachtkriecher>well i thought it was part of how it came
09:09<anew> well can someone help me here then and i'll nano to save my time. it says i have to multiply by 2, but these numbers seem very big. i have 4gb ram, so i should have startservers 8, minspare 12, max 48 and maxrequests 12000 ??
09:10<nachtkriecher>like for instance i noticed it came with python installed
09:10<nachtkriecher>i didnt think my distro came with python installed
09:10<rnowak>most distros need python, perl, and other things to work
09:10<@akerl>nachtkriecher: What distro?
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09:10<@akerl>yea... pretty sure half their system scripts want python
09:11<nachtkriecher>so... there's no difference at all between an install downloaded from ubuntu and the one you guys use?
09:11<@akerl>there's certainly differences, but they don't extend to us poking file perms on random things
09:12<nachtkriecher>that would make sense
09:12<nachtkriecher>what are the differences?
09:12<nachtkriecher>if i may ask?
09:12<@akerl>The major ones are that SSHd is installed and on by default, root is enabled, and the hvc0 tty is alive
09:12<bob2>aside from mikegrb chmod 31337 on /dev/null
09:12<nachtkriecher>out of curiosity
09:12<nachtkriecher>ah yeah i thought ssh would be one
09:13<nachtkriecher>i have no idea what hvc0 is
09:13<nachtkriecher>something to do with lish?
09:13<@akerl>That's the console's TTY, yes
09:13<nachtkriecher>mm ok
09:15<nachtkriecher>would you happen to know why when i chowned syslog to syslog user, it caused two spikes in IO, hours apart?
09:15<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <>
09:15<nachtkriecher>i can understand the first spike
09:15<@akerl>no clue; what makes you think they were related to your chown?
09:15<nachtkriecher>cuz the first one happened right when i chowned almost
09:16*akerl remembers hearing something about correlation and causation
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09:16<nachtkriecher>enough to get an email notifications, which i had never gotten before
09:16<nachtkriecher>yes yes, maybe they're not related
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09:17<nachtkriecher>well it would make sense to me, the first spike, if there was some buffer of logs that dumped then
09:17<nachtkriecher>oh wait
09:18<nachtkriecher>i think i just figured it out
09:18<nachtkriecher>ha nevermind thanks anyway :P
09:20<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <>
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09:53<Alobeiwi>What is the best way to transfer large files from Godaddy to Linode ?
09:53<bob2>same as for small files and for any two endpoints
09:54<Alobeiwi>Cool. Thanks bob2
09:55<@qmr>Yea, saw that yesterday.
09:56<Yaakov>So catasrophic.
09:57<Nivex>Yaakov: greetings unto you who love with a great huge love
09:58<Varadin>I love with a huge love.
09:58<@qmr>I will love you with a great huge love if you tell me what terminal font and size will make me happy
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10:01<Varadin>Courier New 9pt
10:01<pronto>Alobeiwi: not scp/sftp?
10:01<Nivex>Droid Sans Mono Dotted 11
10:02<staticsafe>Monaco on OSX, Consolas on Windows, Terminus on Linux
10:03<anew>where can i get exact numbers when setting up mysql and php.ini for memory etc? all the examples on the website are for 1gb linode
10:03<anew>i'm using 4gb, and would like these values at the max
10:03<bob2>use the defaults
10:03<anew>well it says if you have a larger server you can increase the values
10:03<anew>it just doesnt say to what
10:03<anew>since i have 4 i dont want the values to be at 1
10:03<bob2>if it mattered your sysadmin would be doing it
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10:03<bob2>rather than you asking on irc
10:04<bob2>use the defaults
10:04<anew>who is my sysadmin ? lol
10:04<bob2>"if you had enough traffic for it to matter, your sysadmin would configure them, but since you don't, just leave it"
10:04<@qmr>anew: there is no magic "exact number". You need to tune your settings for your specific configuration.
10:04<anew>obviously if i bought 4gb i have traffic, what kind of answer is that even
10:05<anew>'tell your sysadmin', good reply
10:05<bob2>clearly not
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10:05<bob2>anyway, leave them alone, since it doesn't matter
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10:05<anew>i mean is your answer helpful at all? no, first you laugh at php then say tell your sysadmin?
10:05<bob2>well played sir
10:05<anew>yeah.. you good job
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10:06<anew>thx qmr
10:06<tubaguy50035>anew: also have a look at
10:06<Yaakov>anew: You really have to cut and try.
10:07<Yaakov>You can use guidelines to find a starting point, but you have to adjust empirically.
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10:08<@qmr>Don't you bring science into this Yaakov.
10:08<Yaakov>Some adjustments have discontinuities.
10:08<Nivex>"Stand back, I'm going to try SCIENCE!"
10:08<Yaakov>So one or the other side of a line can dramatically change performance.
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10:16<tubaguy50035>anybody with postgresql experience able to help me out with the pg_hba.conf? This is what I have now, but I'm pretty sure it's not working like I intend: I can connect to the server from IP addresses not in that conf file.
10:18<phyber>have you reloaded postmaster since you edited the file?
10:18<phyber>ok. was worth checking ;)
10:20<linbot>New news from forum: Secure SSH using Port Knock in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <> || Longview - Package versions in Current Betas <>
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10:26<phyber>hba_file defined in your postgresql.conf ?
10:28<phyber>and you're sure the login actually comes from an IP not on that list? like some crazy NAT or routing isn't happening somewhere where you end up coming from something on the pg_hba?
10:28<phyber>I'm out of dieas, really. only issues i ever have are from forgetting to reload postmaster.
10:28<jroes>not seeing TXT entries in my zonefile via the linode DNS manager, is that expected?
10:29<phyber>and that's over a few hundred postgresql instances over a number of years.
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10:29<tubaguy50035>phyber: Yeah. Basically I went to add a new entry this morning, and realized I have no idea how two of our web servers are connecting, because they aren't on that list at all. My only thoughts were that maybe I've screwed up the netmasks somehow so that anything that matches those netmasks are allowed?
10:30<@qmr>jroes: When did you enter it? I don't know if the zone file bits are pulled from the DB or from the actual zone files. Your zones are generated every 15 minutes from our DB
10:30<@qmr>of course you have to wait for remote caches to expire
10:32<phyber>tubaguy50035: yeah, having an netmask that's too broad is possible. putting them into an ip calculator or asking the network admin should tell you if that's the case.
10:32<jroes>sure, yeah
10:32<jroes>ah, didn't wait the full 15 minutes
10:32<jroes>looks good now
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10:36<tubaguy50035>phyber: If I want to lock it down to one host, can I just do /32 for every IP address?
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10:42<rnowak>tubaguy50035: you've got postgres' listeners exposed to the intertubes?
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10:43<tubaguy50035>rnowak: I don't have to, but I was hoping to just lock everything down in this file
10:43<rnowak>it is a ReallyBadIdea(tm) to have it exposed
10:43<solocommand>Hmm. Did autopay stop working? Logged in today to look at some DNS settings and got a warning that I have an outstanding balance. Or am I just happening to look at it on the morning of the 1st? :P
10:44<@akerl>solocommand: The latter
10:44<solocommand>Cool. Thanks
10:44<tubaguy50035>rnowak: yeah, I'll lock it down now. I just don't understand how it's working though. I haven't bypassed it... or at least know that I have.
10:46<rnowak>aren't they in one of the line 13 or 19 ranges?
10:47<tubaguy50035>well I've changed it now to not have ranges at all.
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10:47<tubaguy50035>If I comment out line 12 for example, tek-lin-w02 can still connect after I do a reload
10:47<rnowak>did you poke the postmaster after making the changes?
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10:50<tubaguy50035>I just restarted postgres entirely and the server I commented out can still connect.
10:51<rnowak>are you sure it isn't connecting over openvpn?
10:51<rnowak>check the log and see what postgres thinks it is connecting from/as
10:51<tubaguy50035>That specific server doesn't even have openvpn installed
10:54<gparent>Linode NextGen Part 4: The magic network
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10:59<tubaguy50035>rnowak: It comes in as what I expect it to : 2013-05-01 09:58:57 CDT [18428]: [1-1] user=[unknown],db=[unknown] LOG: connection received: host= port=43890
11:00<tubaguy50035>rnowak: It authorizes on the next line
11:00<rnowak>#tek-lin-w04 private
11:00<rnowak>host all all md5
11:00<tubaguy50035>oh jeez
11:02<tubaguy50035>So it must have been a netmask issue before, and then me being stupid and typing the exact same IP address this time lol
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11:03<rnowak>you akshully even have that IP address in there twice
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11:03<tubaguy50035>rnowak: right, that was the issue
11:04<pronto>The megabyte I downloaded off of Facebook gave my Norton a virus.
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11:04<tubaguy50035>rnowak: I commented out the one line, didn't understand why it was still working, but it's because it was there twice so /facepalm
11:04<tubaguy50035>at self*
11:05<rnowak>and srsly, hide it behind a vpn or something
11:05<tubaguy50035>working on it
11:06<Nivex>cast off the legacy IPv4 shackles and embrace the warmth of IPv6! :)
11:06<rnowak>only last month a rather nasty vulnerability was found which could cause data corruption if the handshake was constructed in a certain way
11:08<tubaguy50035>Nivex: hey, you go convince Time Warner to make the switch. I'm all onboard :)
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11:09<Nivex>in this case I was thinking that IPv6 transactions between nodes in the same datacenter don't count against quota, so you don't have the need for the RFC1918 space
11:09<Nivex>fewer IPs to manage
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11:10<Nivex>and I've already thrown a smackdown at a TWCBC sales droid
11:11<tubaguy50035>Nivex: true. And good. Didn't they say they were going to start deploying like... last year?
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11:12<Nivex>something like that.
11:13<Nivex>the TWCBC guy said they weren't doing IPv6 because they have "a healthy inventory of IPv4". I calmly informed him what a boneheaded viewpoint that was.
11:14<Nivex>It helped that I was able to inform him that one of his competitors told me they were planning a rollout in Q4.
11:14<Vendan>erm, TWC has a "healthy inventory of boneheadedness"
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11:16<Nivex>I especially enjoyed the "listen to your own people" part of the smackdown
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11:22<TecnoBrat>heckman: unacceptable! <3
11:22<@heckman>TecnoBrat: that may or may not have been personal list, btw
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11:23<TecnoBrat>heckman: ?
11:23<TecnoBrat>heckman = dev?
11:23<TecnoBrat>hehe, gotcha!
11:23<rnowak>heckman = lol
11:23<@heckman>same thing
11:23<rnowak>also = <3
11:24<TecnoBrat>yes, you are
11:24<TecnoBrat>tecnobrat = dev, tecnobrat = lol
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11:25<casey>question about dovecot. I can't download mail to my local client via pop3 or imap, but I can send via smtp and via alpine on my linode.
11:26<rnowak>that's a statement
11:26<casey>yes. whoops.
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11:26<casey>What could possibly cause me to not be able to download mail via pop3 or imap, while I can still send?
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11:26<TecnoBrat>rnowak: your such an ass :P
11:27<grawity>casey: Dovecot not running? :P
11:27<Nivex>TecnoBrat: ITYM you're
11:27<casey>dovecot is running.
11:27<rnowak>TecnoBrat: my such an ass?
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11:27<grawity>casey: Dovecot does not handle sending, so that's irrelevant
11:27<casey>btw, this discourse is amazing.
11:27<tubaguy50035>TecnoBrat: Damnit*
11:27<Vendan>try telnetting into your pop3
11:27<Vendan>it's a very simple protocol
11:27<TecnoBrat>hahaha, I walked into that ... its early!
11:27<grawity>casey: check syslog, see if dovecot shows any error messages
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11:27<casey>i did try telnet'ing - it shows 0 messages.
11:27<casey>let me check syslog now
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11:28<grawity>where did you set up your MTA to store incoming mail, and where did you set up Dovecot to look for mail?
11:28<Vendan>then I'd say that's an issue with mail not going into dovecot, not an issue with dovecot
11:28<casey>syslog and mail.log show a successful connection to the mail DB
11:29<casey>dovecot is set to look there too
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11:29<gparent>so much discussion and so very little pastebins
11:29<casey>sorry -
11:30<TecnoBrat>btw, good job staff on the network maintenance .. I had ZERO reports of any issues with anywhere between 1000 and 2500 users connected.
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11:33<casey>it's looking in the right place, just not seeing any mail.
11:34<grawity>*is* there any mail in that directory?
11:35<grawity>pastebin `find /var/vmail/ -ls`?
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11:36<grawity>nope, there isn't any mail there
11:37<grawity>both casey/cur and casey/new directories are empty.
11:37<casey>that explains things
11:37<grawity>there is one message in the "Sent" folder, but that's only visible through IMAP, not POP3
11:37<casey>i just sent a test message via imap, probably why.
11:38<grawity>you don't send messages via IMAP – they're sent using SMTP or /usr/sbin/sendmail, Alpine only uses IMAP to save a local copy
11:39<casey>that's right, I keep ketting that mixed up.
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11:40<casey>I'm kind of lost as to where to go from here.
11:40<casey>I know I have a mail db that is connecting successfully.
11:41<casey>Is it possible mail is being stored in the sql db, and not in the /var/vmail folder?
11:41<grawity>Which MTA are you using, and did you configure it to save incoming mail to the same place?
11:41<casey>and I'm not sure, let me check the conf file
11:42<grawity>do you have either $mailbox_command or $mailbox_transport set in the Postfix conf?
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11:43<casey>$mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
11:44<casey>no mailbox_transport
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11:44<grawity>so postfix gives the message to procmail, which doesn't know anything about SQL databases, it only knows how to deliver to Unix accounts
11:45<casey>so mailbox_command should give mail to dovecot, correct?
11:46<grawity>that's the best option
11:46*grawity facedesks.
11:47<grawity>looks like I forgot about half of postfix's options again :/
11:47<grawity>so better set it up according to that page ^
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11:47<Vendan>or if you are more adventurous,
11:48<Vendan>basically a smtp frontend to dovecot's mail storage that binds to localhost and accepts mail
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11:52<casey>I already have this in my
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11:54<Vendan>virtual_transport = dovecot too?
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11:56<casey>I have that set in
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11:58<Vendan>and all the database access maps?
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12:01<casey>i'm not sure what you mean
12:02<Vendan>are you using virtual users or unix users?
12:03<Vendan>k, postfix needs to know if a user exists
12:04<casey>would that be in or
12:04<casey>btw, I followed this tutorial at the beginning -
12:04<Vendan>are you storing the users in a mysql database that dovecot accesses?
12:05<Vendan>ok, did you do step 16 in that tut?
12:06<desc|zenbook>I just bought a Linode 1GB and have already partitioned and loaded the OS image; still, it's been more than an hour and I cannot power it up (there is no option), is this unusual? How long do you normally have to wait?
12:07<casey>yes, i did step 16
12:07<Vendan>then you did setup the database maps
12:07<@qmr>desc|zenbook: Yes, there is an option. Click the boot button?
12:08<desc|zenbook>qmr, the boot button is normally under Server Status right?
12:08<Vendan>at this point, you probably need to just start tailing log files while you try to send emails to an email on the server
12:08<@qmr>No, although maybe it should be
12:08<@qmr>It's under your configuration profiles
12:09<desc|zenbook>qmr, gah I'm blind
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12:10<desc|zenbook>qmr, thanks, my 3rd Linode and I've forgotten how to boot a fresh Linode heh
12:11*qmr hands zenbook a coffee
12:12<casey>i do tail log files, but they just show a successful database connection
12:13<casey>I'm not sure what you mean by did I set up the 'database maps'
12:13<desc|zenbook>qmr, exactly I need sleep :p
12:13<casey>is that a step that's not in that tut?
12:13<Vendan>casey, that's step 16 in that tut
12:14<Vendan>try postqueue -p to see if anything's stuck in the queue
12:14<linbot>New news from forum: rsyslog and the lish console on Centos 6 in General Discussion <>
12:14<casey>Mail queue is empty.
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12:15<casey>where the tut says 'target_domain', is that a variable, or should I be putting a domain in that?
12:15<Vendan>and which files have you tailed
12:16<Vendan>target_domain in the database maps should be a column in your DB
12:16<casey>var/log/maillog and var/log/syslog
12:17<casey>perhaps THAT'S my problem
12:17<Vendan>those are tables, not columns
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12:18<Vendan>maillog just shows database connection? nothing else?
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12:19<casey>mail log keeps repeating this
12:19<gparent>casey: just wondering, did you make this work at any point *without* a database?
12:19<gparent>or did you just configure the entire thing end to end
12:19<gparent>and then started testing
12:20<casey>yep, end to end then tested
12:20<gparent>oh boy.
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12:20<casey>i know.
12:20<casey>i'm a cpanel convert.
12:20<gparent>havn't seen it any more honest than this, so props for that
12:20<casey>i'm extremely new to this, but i'm trying very hard
12:20<gparent>I have a setup similar to yours but I use text files atm
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12:21<casey>so since there's a successful db connection, I'm guessing nothing's being put in the db, meaning my config files must not be pointing at the db correctly
12:21<casey>the dovecot config files, that is.
12:22<Vendan>erm, that's logs for a dovecot pop3 session
12:22<Vendan>error is more likely to be in a postfix smtp session
12:23<casey>smtp works. pop3/imap aren't working.
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12:23<casey>oh, i see what you're saying
12:23<casey>postfix sends to dovecot via smtp?
12:23<Vendan>erm, if mail doesn't get to your mailbox, smtp isn't working
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12:23<casey>what log file is that?
12:23<casey>*where would it show up?
12:23<Vendan>should be in mail.log or maillog
12:24<Vendan>or there may be a specific directory
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12:24<Vendan>it's been too long since I've had a postfix dovecot server, so not sure on the specifics
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12:24<Vendan>plus, I don't have a linode box :(
12:24<casey>god this is confusing. thank you so much for helping out
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12:25<casey>AH, there it is.
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12:26<casey>i don't know how to find what this error is referencing
12:26<casey>eval 100?
12:31<casey>i need to take a break. I'll come back to this later. I'll stick to reading mail with alpine for now.
12:32<casey>thanks for your help. sorry in advance for when I come back asking again!
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12:50<FastLizard4>New LISH gateway is a godsend
12:50<FastLizard4>Thanks, Linode :)
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13:13<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <> || Secure SSH using Port Knock in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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13:17<@akerl>rnowak: <3
13:17<rnowak>akerl: :>
13:17<ghosticus>mowak: 3<
13:18<linbot>New news from forum: Secure SSH using Port Knock in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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13:24<ghosticus>didn't see that one coming
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13:35<Yaakov>caker: PING
13:35<dwfreed>hi Yaakov
13:36<Nivex>hoopy howdycat?
13:36<hipsterZues>ahoy hoy
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13:37<smed7>"you like like a bottle of Scotch!"
13:39<smed7>no one?
13:39<smed7>this channel makes me feel really old....
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14:02<jeremyc>Packet loss for NJ DC?
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14:03<retro|blah>What packet loss
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14:05<dwfreed>jeremyc: we're aware of it, and are reaching out to the upstream provider in Newark to get it fixed now
14:06<jeremyc>dwfreed: thanks
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14:10<Q3Man>nj seems better now
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14:13<Varadin>greetings help_needed =)
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14:13<help_needed>i have a question, am not sure how to resolve it Varadin and thank you for the greeting
14:14<help_needed>it is kind of off field, but am not sure where to ask for help
14:14<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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14:15<help_needed>I am trying to trace an IP address, but I know the IP address has been hidden, so in the email header, it gives a false Ip address. how cann I work around the false or hidden IP address to locate where the computer is or the IP comes from?
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14:17<Varadin>What do you mean by false ip address?
14:18<linbot>New news from forum: "ALERT - canary mismatch on efree()..."ERROR, plea in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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14:18<help_needed>the IP address ok, each computer when sending an email address displays in the header its IP, there is someone i am trying to find and locate but i know on their computer, they have hidden their IP address
14:18<KamiNuvini>From the already existing email you most likely can't if the IP wasn't sent. Some web based mail providers don't send this
14:18<help_needed>so when they send an email, the IP address says it is from USA but they are not
14:19<KamiNuvini>But you could for example send an email back with an image that you host
14:19<KamiNuvini>And if they load images
14:19<KamiNuvini>It'll show the real IP
14:19<help_needed>how do i do this Kami??
14:19<cjaredrun>how come in the dns control panel when i want to setup records for a new zone my nodebalancer IP is not an option in the drop down, but all my other servers are there?
14:19<help_needed>am just your average perrson, break it down in lay man terms if you are able to, it would be much appreciated.
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14:21<Gnewt>help_needed: Set up an Apache/similar web server, then host an image, send an email to the person with the image embedded in it, then look in your server logs to see which IP accesses it
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14:22<help_needed>Gnewt.. whoa slow down a little please.
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14:22<help_needed>Gnewt------how do i go about that
14:22<Gnewt>Go about which part? There are tutorials on setting up webservers in the Linode Library.
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14:23<help_needed>ok where do i locate the linode library, please
14:24<help_needed>i am guessing it is not to difficult as far as long as i follow the steps
14:24<jfw>help_needed: just curious: what do you plan to do with this IP address? that's a lot of work to go through for something that is generally not as useful as you'd think
14:25<Gnewt>What use is the IP going to be to you?
14:25<help_needed>jfw>>>>>>>> i need to locate where my car is
14:25<jfw>ip addresses are *rarely* tied to individual computers, and can almost never be physically traced somewhere
14:25<jfw>….well, that's a new one
14:25<jed>> FIND CAR
14:25<jed>I don't see a car.
14:25<hawk>cjaredrun: If I were to guess I'd say there is probably no particular reason, just a feature that isn't there. Sounds like pretty much a non-issue in practice, though.
14:25<jfw>find: car: No such file or directory
14:25<help_needed>jed i think i talked with you before long ago
14:25<Gnewt>how are you going to find your car through someone's IP
14:26<help_needed>i would hope that it will give me some idea where they may be
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14:26<help_needed>or am i far wrong in this belief
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14:26<cjaredrun>yeah i suppose non-issue except when pointing all incoming domains at the balancer and not the the individual servers, hawk :P but alas it's just a simple edit away.
14:26<jfw>probably :)
14:27<jfw>help_needed: what is the relation between your car and this person's IP?
14:27<Gnewt>help_needed: Kinda depends. You can get a city, probably.
14:27<jfw>Gnewt: are you *insanely* curious right now?
14:27<help_needed>where they use their computer my car is in their garage
14:27<rnowak>... do you have a car thief that stole your car emailing you?
14:28<jfw>okay, now we're getting somewhere
14:28<jfw>jealous ex?
14:28<help_needed>rnowak not exactly
14:28<help_needed>jfw this is no joke, am not here to muck about
14:28<jfw>help_needed: i'm not joking. i am very, very curious
14:29<jfw>and i'd like to help you
14:29<help_needed>jfw car is on finance, i not have car in my possession right now
14:29<jfw>unfortunatley, i don't think this is going to work
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14:29<jfw>yeah, so like gnewt said, you could possibly trace the IP to a city, but that's about as specific as you're going to get
14:30<jfw>unless it's in a gov't facility of some kind?
14:30<help_needed>ah ok, so could not get down to the spot spot
14:30<help_needed>ah ok
14:30<Vendan>even city would be lucky
14:30<jfw>most likely no
14:30<Vendan>my IP traces back to a city about 2 hours away
14:31<help_needed>but what about if the city you were in was much smaller than yours
14:31<jfw>mine about 30 mins away, and my city is pretty small
14:31<Vendan>it depends on the isp, not the city
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14:32<Gnewt>Mine traces to 1hr away
14:32<help_needed>am in australia
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14:32<Vendan>best bet, if the car was taken illegally, get someone official involved, as the ISP can be subpeona'd or some legal judo'd for logs to identify customer that was using that IP at that time
14:32<Vendan>if not illegal, you are screwed
14:33<jfw>help_needed: if you could find the place, what would you do?
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14:33<help_needed>fix the problem
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14:34<help_needed>jed.... have you been around here for the last couple of years or so by chance???
14:34<jed>too many winters to count, crow
14:34<jfw>help_needed: ah. well, good luck :)
14:34<help_needed>jed i talked to you before, i believe
14:34<help_needed>jfw thanks, i be nice to start with then go to the hard way to resolve it
14:35<jfw>probably wise
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14:35<help_needed>jed...... curious if you remember a guy in here once called Hojuruku..... but this person is not me. meaing i am not hojuruku
14:36<jed>the space in my brain required to remember individual #linode chatters is currently occupied by disaster recovery plans
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14:37<help_needed>see you all later and thank you for your help and advic e
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14:38<Varadin>Anyone use Icinga here?
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14:39<linbot>New news from forum: openvpn -TLS Error in General Discussion <> || openvpn -TLS Error in Linux Networking <>
14:40*qmr uses nagios3
14:40<dcraig>I try to use SSH keys with the new Lish, and it still prompts me for a password
14:40<dcraig>old Lish works fine :(
14:40<Varadin>I was intrigued by the icinga fork, but I'm quickly regretting the the decision to install it.
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14:42<dcraig>oh, you have to put them in a different place in the manager
14:43<dzho>Varadin: as in, icinga, which is a fork of nagios, or do you mean something that was forked further later from icinga itself?
14:43<Varadin>No, I read that again after I typed it - I hoped that people were ignoring me.
14:43<Varadin>Icinga, the fork of Nagios.
14:44<gparent>I was ignoring you, don't worry.
14:44<Varadin>gparent you came in after the question, hush.
14:44<gparent>Sure, but I saw the fork part!
14:44<Varadin>fork you!
14:44<gparent>That's not very nice!1!
14:45<labc>geddit, eh?!
14:45<jed>geddit lee
14:45<dcraig>still doesn't work :(
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14:47<gparent>The alternative is for your server to always work right so you don't need the console.
14:48<dcraig>has anyone else gotten SSH keys to work with Lish?
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14:49<jaddison>I'm sure this has been asked quite a bit recently, but when is the Fremont DC getting it's RAM upgrade?
14:49<dwfreed>as soon as it's available; there's no ETA at this time
14:50<lakridserne>jaddison: Don't ask about that... akerl says he let one more day go until it is released each time someone ask about it on IRC
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14:50<jaddison>Thanks for the feedback.
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14:51<dwfreed>dcraig: the existence (or non-existence) of your keys is cached for up to 10 minutes; you can log into one of the LISH gateways you've not logged into for a while to verify your keys are working until the cache expires
14:52<gparent>dwfreed: I think he means the new SSH gateways.
14:52<dwfreed>gparent: I know
14:52<gparent>Oh so it's not *every* 10 minutes like DNS?
14:52<gparent>well dns is 15
14:52<gparent>but you get what I mean
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15:04<dioz>the company i work for is funny as hell
15:05<dioz>we released a new customer self serve website
15:05<dioz>took away our existing self serve options
15:05<dioz>all replaced by a NEW FANCY SYSTEM
15:05<dioz>and what happens?
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15:05<dioz>going on day 10 of no functionality
15:05<dioz>epople can't view their bills
15:05<dioz>can't check their services
15:06<dcraig>thanks dwfreed, it's working now that I waited 10 min
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15:16<FastLizard4>qmr: hah
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15:41<dexbarrett>So that's my story, folks.
15:41<ghosticus>cool story bro
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15:48<lakridserne>dioz: sounds like my mobile operator - except they actually kept the old system online
15:49<lakridserne>You can see things in a nice way in the new system, but you can see all the same thigs in te old system AND change data, pay bills, etc.
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15:52<Tea>Anyone running arch? netctl just blew everything up
15:52<Tea>on a linode. obv.
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15:53<jakesmithy>if i do a mysqldump -u username -p databasename > filename.sql where is the filename.sql file stored ?
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15:53<Tea>jakesmithy: In whatever directory you're in.
15:55<jakesmithy>and doing a mysqldump does not delete the original table data?
15:55<Tea>Of course not. It's just a dump.
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15:57<lakridserne>Tea: There are quite a few people running arch here on Linode - I don't, but I would just wait around
15:59<@meskarune>Tea: I can help you
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15:59<Tea>meskarune: So netctl is just failing to start. But even the very fact that it's installed has made it impossible to make any outgoing connections
15:59<Tea>Also, it's producing no errors
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16:01<@meskarune>Tea: paste bin your profile
16:01<@meskarune>also does "systemctl status netctl@<profile>" show anything ?
16:02<@meskarune>Tea: I got netctl working on my Linodes
16:02<@meskarune>after some trial and error
16:02<Tea>Hang on I think I see what's going on. Looks like a bug, but 'netctl start ethernet-static' is trying to start a netctl@* with extra characters in the service filename
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16:08<@meskarune>make your own profile :)
16:08<@meskarune>make sure dhcpcd is disabled and enable netctl@profile
16:08<@meskarune>then reboot
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16:10<@meskarune>that is what mine looks like. I called it 'static
16:10<@meskarune>I have private and public IP's plus IPv6
16:11<Tea>Yeah, looks like it's just failing now because eth0 already has a thing
16:12<@meskarune>you could try "ip addr flush dev eth0"
16:12<gparent>ips ain't no thang
16:12<@meskarune>or whatever the command is, and then start netctl
16:12<@meskarune>or just reboot
16:16<linbot>New news from forum: "ALERT - canary mismatch on efree()..."ERROR, plea in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || openvpn -TLS Error in General Discussion <>
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16:27<Tea>At least IPv4 works
16:27<ghosticus>who needs ipv6?
16:28<Tea>IPv6 just told me eth0 "couldn't get" it
16:28<kyhwana_>only hackers use ipv6!
16:28*jspiros loves ipv6
16:29<ghosticus>if you love it so much, why don't you marry it!!!
16:29<jspiros>I still need to figure out how DHCPv6 works with router advertisement (or maybe it doesn't?)
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16:30<kyhwana_>RA's and DHCPv6 are different
16:31<Tea>I can only think that somehow another device already has the IPv6 address assigned
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16:31<atrus`>oh, man, i am way too happy that tab-completion works in the new lish's host-selector
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16:32<Tea>huh right so I *have* an IPv6 connection, but not through netctl
16:32<Tea>i don't even care at this point
16:32<@meskarune>Tea: what does ip addr and ip route show show?
16:32<Tea> there's ip addr
16:33<Tea> and route
16:33<@meskarune>I can ping your ipv6
16:33<Tea>Yeah and I can ping6 google and connect to some IPv6 IRCs
16:33<@meskarune>ip -6 route show
16:33<@meskarune>sorry :)
16:34<Gnintendo>speaking of IPv6
16:34<Gnintendo>why doesn't my university support it yet
16:34<Tea>meskarune: But the IPv6 section of the netctl profile is commented
16:34<strtok>ipv6 is overrated
16:34<Tea>So somehow something else is telling the device to get a v6 address
16:34<Tea>But I killed all the old netcfg/dhcpcd stuff
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16:35<@meskarune>Tea: systemctl list-unit-files --type=service | grep 'net\|dhcp'
16:35<Ikaros|cell>strtok: Your momma
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16:35<Gnintendo>what about all those IPv6-only porn sites people were making back when IPv6 was new(er)
16:36<@meskarune>you can just uninstall dhcpcd
16:36<@meskarune>need to update the Linode library for netctl
16:36<Tea>right now that's definitely killed let's try restarting netctl
16:38<linbot>New news from forum: "ALERT - canary mismatch on efree()..."ERROR, plea in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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16:42<Tea>I uh
16:42<Tea>I forgot the 'e' in 'fe80::1'
16:42<Tea>IPv6 sucks.
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16:43<Ikaros|cell>It's the future!
16:43<linbot>New news from status: Network Maintenance in Fremont: May 2, 2013 <>
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16:43<iBotPeaches>lol fremont
16:44<ghosticus>? i thought that already happened?
16:45<ghosticus>more i guess :|
16:45<Ikaros|cell>This is a new one
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16:46<iBotPeaches>i guess there trying to fix fremont :p
16:47<Tea>Free Mont!
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16:51<TecnoBrat>Mont is in jail .. someone free him.
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16:56<rovo>Hi Guys!
16:57<ghosticus>Hi Guy!
16:57<rovo>Had a question, may or may not be able to help me with :)
16:57<rovo>I have a fresh Linode up and running, and installed Drupal 7...struggling with upload_max_filesize
16:57<rovo>I've set it in my .htaccess and it didnt then I tried my php.ini ... and it's still not working.
16:58<ghosticus>are you using apache?
16:58<ghosticus>did you restart apache?
16:58<rovo>no :)
16:58<ghosticus>Try that...
16:59<kyhwana_>(Have you tried turning it off and on again)
16:59<rovo>ghosticus: that worked perfectly...didn't realize i needed that
16:59<ghosticus>~~* The More You Know
16:59<rovo>Thanks ONE ton
16:59<ghosticus>just ONE?
17:00<rovo>Thanks TEN tons
17:00<ghosticus>that's BETTER
17:00<kyhwana_>metric or imperial?
17:01<rovo>metric (?)
17:01<anew>so i am trying to set up my server, i set up apache virtual host, then go to the url and it says not found
17:01<anew>what am i missing besides virtual host ?
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17:02<rovo>anew: possibly, directory setting in your conf file?
17:02<anew>apache2.conf ?
17:02<anew>let me check
17:02<anew>i was following the linode tut
17:02<rovo>eh...I'd think <sites-available>
17:02<rovo>but I dunno
17:02<anew>yeah that's what i'm in sites-available
17:02<anew>looks all ok
17:03<rovo>in default? or you set up a special one?
17:03<rovo>did you link it to <sites-enabled>
17:03<@qmr>anew: pastebin the following - apache virtual host configuration file, tail -20 /var/log/apache2/*.log , ls -l <supposed documentroot>
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17:03<anew>well default (according to says put everything in /public/ i just added /public/html since my index.php from the vps i'm transferingn over is from there
17:03<anew>ok let me pastebin
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17:04<anew>oh duh let me check the logs also
17:04<kyhwana_>anew: did you enable the vhost?
17:04<rovo>I could be steering you wrong, but you may need to a2ensite
17:04<kyhwana_>(Are you sure it's turned on?)
17:05<Ikaros>Also, not sure about distro-based installations of Apache, but usually you'll want to check that your AllowOverride directive is *not* "None" in a <Directory> block in that vhost, otherwise it'll ignore .htaccess directives.
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17:05<anew>i did a2ensite also
17:05<anew>restarted apache
17:05<anew>created symbolic link
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17:05<anew>everything from this pae i did step by step
17:05<Ikaros>Just thought I'd throw that out there
17:06<anew>going to check the log then pastebin
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17:12<linbot>New news from forum: Handle email threading in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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17:15<Ikaros>Ooo, interesting.
17:15<Ikaros>On my Dallas node: "New release '13.04' available."
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17:18<@qmr>Debian 6 is also available
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17:19<Nivex>Debian 7 drops in 4 days!
17:20<anew> top is my ls -l of what the directory is and bottom is my vhost file qmr
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17:23<linbot>New news from forum: "ALERT - canary mismatch on efree()..."ERROR, plea in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
17:23<rovo>anew: are you trying to access it via the server IP or the URL?
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17:24<anew>IP... i tried doing <VirtualHost> but that didnt work either ?
17:24<kyhwana_>anew: wow, you own!?
17:25<rovo>hmm...and folder permissions are ok?
17:26<rovo>I wonder about the trailing slashes in the DocumentRoot setting of the host file? is that alright?
17:27<anew>wait looking at the logs now, it says file does not exist /etc/apache2/hdocs in there
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17:27<anew>not sure what to do tho, this wasnt in the tutorial?
17:28<@qmr>anew: are you going to paste the information I requested?
17:28<rovo>anyone else have knowledge on the docroot setting the host file? is a trailing slash ok? DocumentRoot /home/will/public/
17:28<rovo>or in the <Directory> declaration ...
17:28<anew>qmr i just did... u mean the tail of the log ? i just looked at it now let me paste
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17:30<anew> qmr
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17:33<@qmr>still not what I asked for :)
17:34<anew>what did u ask for? did u see my other link? ls -l my vhost file and the logs ....
17:34<anew>u asked for 3 things didnt u ?
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17:35<anew>wblew that's me who sent that
17:35<kyhwana_>anew: does /home/will/public/ actually exist?
17:36<anew>yes i'm in there now
17:36<anew>well = my actual url tho
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17:36<@qmr>Damn, I missed the sale on
17:36<linbot>Please don't redact or change things when you pastebin your configs or logs. It's a lot easier for us to debug if we're seeing the same thing you are.
17:36<anew>sorry i dont want to put my url in here for everyone ...
17:36<Nivex>but you want to serve it to the public web?
17:37<anew>yeah, just sorry. = mysite
17:38<anew>what's the big deal? u have to know the url to troubleshoot ?
17:38<@qmr>we can't help you if you don't give us the information we need to help you
17:39<Nivex>anew: have to, no. but why make it that much more difficult when you're talking about a site that is public anyway
17:39<anew>that's the information... i pasted everything. the only thing i'm obscuring is the site name
17:40<anew>i dont think it's far fetched to not want to paste my url, every other irc channel does it and never has a problem
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17:46<jroes>anyone know if there's a way to reset a password by e-mail?
17:46<jroes>I don't remember my username either, but I have an invoice in my mailbox :)
17:47<kyhwana_>jroes: probably email support@linode is your best bet.
17:47<Varadin>There is a link for forgot username, and forgot password for the linode manager. From there you would reset the root password, or login via LISH
17:48<kyhwana_>they'll tell you what they need in order to reset it
17:48<jroes>oh, totally missed the forgot username
17:48<kyhwana_>or that ;)
17:48<Varadin>jroes =)
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17:50<Varadin>In stardate where does Voyager fit in with the other series?
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18:46<jakesmithy>does anyone know how i can find out my mysql hostname and server port?
18:46<imMute>jakesmithy: uh..
18:46<bob2>ask your sysadmin
18:46<imMute>jakesmithy: Linode doesn't provide dedicated MySQL servers like webhosts do.
18:48<jakesmithy>i just want to ssh into it through mysql workbench
18:48<kyhwana_>jakesmithy: it's whatever you set it up to be
18:49<kyhwana_>most likely "your linodes IP" port 3306
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18:49<jakesmithy>ah sql hostname was "localhost" and port was "3306"
18:49<proper>anyone familiar with timthumb and can help?
18:50<kyhwana_>proper: nope
18:50<Varadin>bob2 lol
18:50<bob2>I am!
18:50<bob2> -> about 103,000 results
18:51<anew>bob2 do you just answer everyone with ask your sysadmin
18:52<bob2>I do not
18:52<bob2>but linode provides an unmanaged service and being a sysadmin is a skilled job, so it is often a sensible answer
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18:53<anew>not that skilled, dont flatter yourself
18:53<kyhwana_>anew: you'd be surprised
18:53<bob2><- not a sysadmin
18:53<proper>here is a nice image that I try to use timthumb with
18:54<anew>proper is that your site
18:54<proper>but it's not working :
18:54<anew>wordpress ?
18:55<proper>not the most advanced I know
18:55<Varadin>anew good guess!
18:55<C4Crawford>Hi all, I just started a free trial to give linode a test run, but when I try to boot, I'm getting "linode failed to boot for an unkown reason" Any advice?
18:55<anew>hey if it makes money nothing wrong with wordpress
18:56<anew>that's the goal here right, to make $$
18:56<C4Crawford>Varadin: if you're asking me, 32bit Ubuntu 12.04LTS
18:56<Varadin>Try switching to 64bit
18:56<kyhwana_>C4Crawford: uhm, weird. Try a 64bit kernel? If that doesn't work, file a ticket :P
18:59<TecnoBrat>proper: I am speechless
18:59<C4Crawford>hmm, 64bit seems to boot properly. I wanted to run 32bit for a reduced memory footprint, but at least this gives me a chance to test things
18:59<TecnoBrat>thats legal in the UK? (just curious, I'm not judging)
19:00<proper>It is
19:00<anew>sure sex is legal !
19:00<Varadin>C4, I think the were working on something for it ... you might want to open a ticket to get a definite answer on that.
19:01<TecnoBrat>I ran a porn site for awhile, that was interesting .. too much CC fraud tho.
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19:01<anew>u didnt make money tecnobrat ?
19:01<Varadin>He didn't say that.
19:01<anew>'for a while' means - he stopped making money
19:02<anew>otherwise he would still be doing it
19:02<Varadin>...or it became too much trouble.
19:02<TecnoBrat>anew: its difficult to keep a CC processor going
19:02<TecnoBrat>and yes, became too much trouble
19:02<anew>varadin doesnt matter how much trouble something is, if there is a lot of $$$ involved you keep doing it
19:02<Varadin>Hell no.
19:02<anew>if there isnt, you stop
19:03<anew>hell no? so if ur making 100k a year running a porn site you would stop because 'it's to much trouble' lol
19:03<TecnoBrat>what I'm doing now is a LOT less work, plus I have literally zero chargebacks / cancellations / angry wives / angry girlfriends / angry boyfriends ...
19:03<Varadin>anew, correct.
19:03<proper>interested in buying TecnoBrat please let me know
19:03<anew>lol varadin u need ur head checked
19:03<proper>still operational?
19:03<anew>tecnobrat u running sites for yourself still ?
19:04<TecnoBrat>proper: you mean my porn site? .. oh god no .. long gone.
19:04<TecnoBrat>years and years ago
19:04<derfy>money is not worth the early grey hairs
19:04<TecnoBrat>anew: I run a mumble hosting business now. I have like 24 linodes :)
19:05<anew>nice tecnobrat
19:05<proper>money is everything in life
19:05<anew>depends how much money, if varadin turns down 500k profit a year because something is too much trouble, just sounds like he is lazy
19:06<Varadin>anew, really?
19:06<anew>no one in their right mind would do that unless they want to flip channels all day
19:06<anew>yeah i mean unless ur retired already with millions
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19:06<anew>why the hell would you turn down 500k a year because it's too much trouble that makes zero sense
19:06<Varadin>You sure are fired up about this...
19:06<Varadin>I just disagreed with you.
19:07<anew>ok oksorry, late and bored i guess
19:07<anew>sorry for getting crazy
19:07<HedgeMage>anew: I once turned down a $250k/year job for a $70k/year job, all because the latter gave me much more time to spend with my family.
19:07<HedgeMage>anew: Things other than money are important to some people.
19:08<Varadin>I had two kids, and walked away from something more profitable than what I do now.
19:08<anew>maybe because my wife drives me batshit crazy
19:08<Varadin>So I could work 8 - 5 and not be on call.
19:08<anew>is why i dont see that point of view LOL
19:08<bob2>why did you marry someone you don't like spending time with
19:09<kyhwana_>bob2: maybe they're indian?
19:09<HedgeMage>anew: All three of my partners are *awesome*, as is my kid. We really enjoy one another's company, and all of us (even my 10yo) know how to give one another space when needed.
19:09<anew>indian... hell no i'm american
19:09<Varadin>Excellent HedgeMage
19:09*HedgeMage grins at Varadin
19:09<anew>all 3 of your partners? are you mormon?
19:10<HedgeMage>anew: No, they tend to look down on women having multiple partners AFAICT :P
19:10<HedgeMage>anew: I'm polyamorous.
19:10<Varadin>Stop HedgeMage, you're going to blow his mind.
19:10<kyhwana_>HedgeMage: o/
19:10<anew>so it's you and 3 guys
19:10<anew>i should have done that
19:10<anew>me and 3 women
19:10<Varadin>anew she didn't say that.
19:10<anew>so when one makes you crazy, you just rotate
19:11<HedgeMage>anew: Two cismen and one bigender person...and one of my partners has three other women in his's a very happy little network of awesome people.
19:11<anew>wow sounds like a hippie commune
19:12<kyhwana_>anew: people think that a lot, but it's usually not
19:12<HedgeMage>anew: Actually, the vast majority of us are *extremely* libertarian.
19:12<anew>cismen i dont even know what the hell that is, trying to google and i still dont get it
19:12<jchen>erm what.
19:12<derfy>men who identify as men
19:12<HedgeMage>anew: "cis" means that your DNA, physical body, and brain agree on your sex/gender
19:12<anew>do you have 3 spare women for me so i can join? lol
19:13<HedgeMage>anew: if one is not "cis" at least one of those disagrees with the others.
19:13<anew>so cismen = what eveyrone else calls 'man' ?
19:13<anew>i dont get it
19:13<HedgeMage>anew: umm, probably what *you* think of as "man" given the context
19:13<anew>so ciswoman = what society thinks is a 'woman' ?
19:14<HedgeMage>anew: but only because I doubt you realize how non-binary sex and gender are :)
19:14<kyhwana_>There are women with XY chromosomes who have female organs and identify as female.
19:14<derfy>oh wait damn
19:14<anew>wait so cisman can have a vagina ?
19:14<HedgeMage>anew: No, a cisman would not, but some men do :)
19:15<anew>so lost
19:15<kyhwana_>anew: see
19:15<anew>yeah i'm reading that now and still lost lol
19:15*Nivex tmux attach
19:15<HedgeMage>anew: It's okay. I have a channel on freenode dedicated to explaining this stuff, or you can pm me if you want. :)
19:15<derfy>try the simple wiki? ;p
19:15<Nivex>what on Earth did I just stumble into?
19:15<HedgeMage>anew: I realize that it's a foreign concept to some people.
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19:17<kyhwana_>The PHP fractal blog post guy is in a poly relationship as well, i'm fairly sure he mentions it in his various blog posts. ;)
19:17<Nivex>sounds like a job for Yaakov and his great huge love
19:18<anew>all i know is, i need to get in on this poly relationship thing
19:18<anew>what the hell have i been doing with my life
19:18<Varadin>I'm pretty sure your motivations for it, are different than those who are already in those relationships.
19:18<Varadin>I do wish you the best of luck though!
19:18<anew>there must be a group somewhere that thinks like me
19:19<anew>anyway, way off topic, back to figuring this out
19:19<kyhwana_>anew: poly relationships are are a lot more complicated and are hard work. :|
19:19<kyhwana_>anew: did you unredact your pastebins yet?
19:19<HedgeMage>kyhwana_: Yes, they are, but they can be *so* rewarding.
19:19<anew>what's unredact mean
19:19<kyhwana_>the opposite of redact
19:19<kyhwana_>HedgeMage: yus
19:19<Varadin>it's the act of unredacting something
19:20<anew>oh, no i sent in a support ticket
19:20<Varadin>They want you to tell your domain, and not
19:20<anew>yeah obv, i will tell linode that
19:20<anew>but random irc people... not very keen on it
19:22<derfy>i don't understand that, of all the 'random irc people' i would rather tell a #linoder my problems as i'll likely get a helpful response
19:23<megaf>Hi folks, how can I make a suggestion to Linode
19:23<dcraig>the new Lish says "You may use 'list' to list Linodes or specify a Linode label to connect." but when I type "list" I get "Unknown command 'List'"
19:23<kyhwana_>megaf: there's the feature request forum, or just tell us here :)
19:23<Varadin>megaf, perhaps a ticket? It would be more easily shared amongst employees that way.
19:23<bob2>write it on a postcard and post to "C Aker, Monocleville, NJ"
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19:23<Varadin>or bob2's idea
19:23<anew>derfy i'm just saying leaving my url should not be an issue
19:24<dcraig>oh, I get it now, I have to exit from the host-based lish back to the lish gateway for "list" to work
19:24<TecnoBrat>oh man .. that was epic
19:24<TecnoBrat>are we back on topic now?
19:24<megaf>Ok, i'm opening a ticket ;)
19:24<Varadin>Are we ever on topic?
19:24<TecnoBrat>good point.
19:24<Varadin>Aww, but megaf we wanted to hear too!
19:24<HedgeMage>Varadin: on rare occasion
19:24<kyhwana_>Varadin: mtr?
19:25<megaf>Varadin, I'm going to suggest them to accept a new form of payment, bitcoins!
19:25<derfy>well, it kind of implies that you want people to help you (and therefore trust their advice) but you don't trust them completely
19:25<megaf>some VPS and hosting already do
19:25<derfy>you'll run commands they tell you (as root!) but your site? heavens no
19:25<TecnoBrat>megaf: thats been mentioned MANY times
19:25<bob2>what a stupid idea
19:25<Varadin>megaf as well as paypal
19:25<bob2>linode pays its bills in USD
19:25<bob2>bitcoin has idiotic volatility
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19:26<bob2>tldr how does that work
19:26<kuzetsa>tldr = too long, didn't read... I think
19:26<Yaakov>I have a USB stick with a bitcoin horde on it that I have buried for after the collapse.
19:26*kuzetsa makes a confused face
19:26<derfy>Techno, i was gonna try it, too
19:27<Yaakov>Err.. "hoard"
19:27<kyhwana_>Varadin: ;) To be on topic!
19:28<bob2>also, right now, bitcoin would attract even more asshats than paypal
19:28<kuzetsa>Yaakov: "... after the colapse" ...?
19:28<kyhwana_>also, lol buttcoins
19:28<derfy>paypal = asshats, though
19:28<Yaakov>kuzetsa: You know, when the stuff hits the fan.
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19:28<kuzetsa>Yaakov: ooooh right.
19:29<kuzetsa>(still not sure what you're referring to)
19:29<Yaakov>You know, when society ceases to be civil.
19:29<Yaakov>When the hordes want your hoards.
19:29<derfy>after 1/19/2038 basically
19:29<Yaakov>But I will be all set with my bitcoins!
19:29<TecnoBrat>This is why linode doesn't use buttcoins
19:30<bob2>that's the epochalypse not the collapse
19:30<kuzetsa>Yaakov: so like... a colapse which would be (hopefully?) unrelated to any sort of internal politics happening in the bitcoin community. I couldn't imagine bitcoin destroying the world but who knows. stranger things from old sci-fi have come true
19:30<bob2>megaf, how could linode take bitcoins?
19:30<kuzetsa>bob2: bit-pay
19:31<kuzetsa>(they charge less than paypal)
19:31<bob2>accepting multiple currencies for goods that are closely tied to underlying prices is Hard
19:31<Yaakov>kuzetsa: It would be about the New World Order.
19:31<megaf>bob2, there is quite a lot of gateways available
19:31<bob2>ok I guess I was unclear
19:31<TecnoBrat>kuzetsa: so rely on a third party service that will be hacked sometime in the next 2 years.
19:31<TecnoBrat>(I'm just saying)
19:31<kuzetsa>Yaakov: [clarification needed] <--- which "new world order" (there are multiple definitions)
19:31<bob2>megaf, kuzetsa linode pays ALL ITS BILLS in USD. how can it possibly accept bitcoins with the enormous volatility and still stay profitable?
19:31<kuzetsa>TecnoBrat: good point.
19:31<Yaakov>Some or all of them. Communists, Bilderbergers, whatever.
19:31<bob2>accepting multiple currencies that you aren't spotconverting lets your customers arbitrage you
19:31<TecnoBrat>kuzetsa: bitcoin = giant target on your back :/
19:32<kuzetsa>bob2: 40% fee for linode to exchange the bitcoin to USD for you? hehehe
19:32<bob2>kuzetsa, volatility in the past few months has been 1000%
19:32<megaf>bob2, easy
19:32<kuzetsa>that much? ... oh
19:33<kuzetsa>I thought it was closer to "at most, 500%" for any given month
19:33<bob2>ok, a factor of five then
19:33<bob2>how on earth can linode allow for that?
19:33<kuzetsa>last year I bought a handful of bitcoin (and experimented with "mining)
19:34<kuzetsa>each bitcoin was briefly worth like $250
19:34<bob2>oh, oops, in the past year the price has varied by a factor of 25
19:34<kuzetsa>but then the hyper-deflation bubble burst and now the bitcoin is only worth like 5x as much as when I first got interested last summer
19:34<Varadin>Gotta wait for school to get out again, then it will be interesting again.
19:35<Varadin>eww, too many "again"s
19:35<TecnoBrat>megaf: let me explain economies for you. If linode takes your bitcoins, and then immediate cashes them out, thats going to drop the prices of bitcoins because they are going to be a seller. If they were able to pay their datacenters / providers / staff with it, you have a point. But they can't. They need to exchange them for USD. So they would be an EXIT point, not an entry point into the market.
19:35<kuzetsa>quick!!! someone say "austrian economics"
19:35<TecnoBrat>So .. its in your best interest that they do NOT take bitcoins/.
19:35<derfy>why 'buttcoins'? trolling people?
19:35<kuzetsa>(running gag... lot of naysayers claiming bitcoin is crap because they believe in that)
19:35<rnowak>I pay all my bills in cakes.
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19:36<rnowak>Perihelion can vouch for this
19:36<kuzetsa>(... I'm really not sure what austrian economics even is)
19:36<@Perihelion>It is known.
19:36<TecnoBrat>kuzetsa: heh.
19:36<kyhwana_>in accordance with prophecy
19:36<bob2>it doeasn't matter what you believe in, linode can't pay its bills in bitcoins so accepting them means taking on currency fluctuation risk for no gain
19:37<megaf>rnowak, sounds delicious
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19:37<kuzetsa>bob2: yeah. pretty much
19:38<kuzetsa>converting bitcoin to USD isn't hard
19:38<megaf>they accept bitcoins
19:38<kuzetsa>I really don't understand why people are soo excited about bitcoin to pay for something
19:38<@Perihelion>rnowak: What have you done? I don't want to be active for this.
19:38<rnowak>Perihelion: I am sorry princess.
19:38<bob2>megaf, where?
19:38<@Perihelion>You should be!
19:39<TecnoBrat>megaf: did you read what I said? Did you understand it? Do you understand how it would hurt the bitcoin economy to have someone who immediately just cashed bitcoins out into USD?
19:39<megaf>they accept bitcoins
19:39<derfy>bob2, top right
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19:39<kuzetsa>megaf, bob2 -- I could actually list at least 5 VPS-type services who accept bitcoin in less than 5 minutes. they're not all that rare.
19:39<TecnoBrat>Anyways, explaining economics to someone on the internet is like beating my head against the wall. I give up.
19:39<megaf>TecnoBrat, they dont have to cache the bitcoins into usd
19:40<TecnoBrat>megaf: they have to pay their vendors, staff and datacenters. Those people do not take bitcoins.
19:40<TecnoBrat>So yes, they do have to cash it out.
19:41<megaf>ok, you win
19:41<rnowak>I take bitcoins in exchange for my services as well
19:41<@Perihelion>No, mainly because I am out of cheesecake.
19:41<rnowak>the services include laughing at you, pointing at you, and doing both at the same time
19:41<kuzetsa>rnowak: so do I
19:42<megaf>I would work for bitcoins
19:42<kuzetsa>I made $80 worth of bitcoin yesterday for less than an hour work
19:42<megaf>kuzetsa, what did you do?
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19:42<Varadin>I would rather have 4 20 dollar bills...
19:42<kuzetsa>... which is now worth like $60 because the volitility is huge
19:42<rnowak>I made more than $80 worth of $ yesterday for less than an hour work
19:43<megaf>you could write a tutorial about how to work for bitcoins
19:43<kuzetsa>megaf: consulted for someone who didn't understand what sort of power supply they needed, what amps and volts are, how much current can safely go over various wires, and how to make all the bits stick together to run their expensive new toy
19:43<rnowak>working for not-bitcoins is amazing, you can make real money that way
19:44<ghosticus>i should find a job that pays only in bitcoins!
19:44<megaf>kuzetsa, sounds good, I know that stuff too
19:44*kuzetsa nods
19:44<rnowak>ghosticus: I'll write a sequence of random bits on a piece of paper, you're hired!
19:44<megaf>ghosticus, so do I
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19:45<ghosticus>rnowak: great, when do i start?
19:45<rnowak>ghosticus: yesterday
19:45<Megaf_>rnowak, me too
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19:46<rnowak>no, my random bits are only enough for one, and ghosticus got lucky
19:46<ghosticus>rnowak: please advise
19:46<rnowak>ghosticus: what, are you indian all of a sudden?
19:47<kuzetsa>ghosticus: last time I started a job like that was novtember 33, 532BP
19:47<kuzetsa>I think it was a tuesday
19:47<ghosticus>rnowak: thank you yes
19:47<staticsafe>rnowak: please do the needful
19:48<rnowak>I will kill you all
19:48<Varadin>wtf are you guys talking about..
19:48<kuzetsa>Varadin: someone let the magic smoke out of linode so we're just talking about random stuff nw
19:48<Varadin>I see =)
19:49<kuzetsa>what? linodes are fine? ... nevermind. we're just mostly being random I guess.
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19:49*kuzetsa slowly backs away
19:50<TecnoBrat>rnowak: u need me softly pls make credit card number
19:51<ghosticus>rnowak: please give back number card
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19:52*HedgeMage starts bopping random people for their silliness
19:53<TecnoBrat>promises promises.
19:53<HedgeMage>kyhwana_: btw, may I pm?
19:53<kyhwana_>HedgeMage: sure?
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19:54<TecnoBrat>10 mins until I get to go chase 8 year olds who have balls.
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19:55<kyhwana_>TecnoBrat: ...
19:56<ghosticus>kyhwana_: ...
19:56<TecnoBrat>kyhwana_: baseball practice, you perve!
19:56<@Perihelion>linbot: ...
19:56<Varadin>anew: ...
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19:58<linbot>Thanks, dcraig! Om nom nom
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20:01<linbot>Thanks, Megaf! Om nom nom
20:01<linbot>Megaf: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
20:01<Megaf>!help help
20:01<linbot>Megaf: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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20:02<Megaf>help is not really useful, is it?
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20:03<Megaf>thanks Varadin
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20:04<linbot>derfy: (1.21173) mwallings mom sez hai
20:05<swaj>avail may be broken :P
20:05<linbot>ghosticus: Yo mommas so ugly, she looks like this! (817:0/3) [rmomu]
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20:06<Varadin>Look at that flowing mane...
20:06<swaj>I could fix avail maybe :P
20:07<swaj>or not... avail site seems to be gone now :P
20:07<Peng_>Public Service Announcement: linbot can be played with in PM.
20:07<ghosticus>but i want the whole world to see urmom
20:09<Nivex>linbot can be played with in private, but it costs $0.99/min
20:09<linbot>Yes, we can!
20:10<ghosticus>shush linbot
20:10<Varadin>Only 1 session at a time, and Linbot is busy with me right now.
20:11<ghosticus>!to Varadin that was quick
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20:16<solva>hey everyone :)
20:17*HedgeMage peeks in
20:17<solva>wondering if anyone can help me; i'm getting a huge cpu, disk IO surge, and my network incoming is about 200% bigger than what it normally is
20:17<solva>so much so that the server is no longer responsive
20:18<solva>i can't get in to a proper terminal on lish because it runs out of memory
20:18<kyhwana_>solva: well, thats where your IO's going, (swap)
20:18<kyhwana_>Are you running some kind of webapp, (php, etc)?
20:18<solva>yeah, ive rebooted twice, it resumes the problem immediately after boot
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20:18<solva>this happened a few weeks ago and a reboot "fixed" it (caused the problem to stop)
20:19<solva>yes, i am
20:19<solva>when i connected with lish, i get a list of about 130 apache processes before it barfs out
20:19<kyhwana_>solva: so you're OOMing because you're probably getting more hits or something? You'll need to tweak your webserver/php/backend settings
20:20<kyhwana_>solva: try the stuff in that URL first
20:20<solva>i cant even ssh or lish to the thing
20:20<solva>thanks for the link though
20:21<solva>disk IO is absolutely through the roof
20:21<solva>is that the problem, or a symptom?
20:21<kyhwana_>that's a symptom.
20:21<kyhwana_>You're hitting swap because you're OOMing
20:21<solva>ok thanks
20:22<kyhwana_>so maybe, reboot, stop apache so you can tweak the settings
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20:23<solva>can i do that via lish, given that i cant even get a lish prompt?
20:23<solva>so i've just looking at Google analytics, hourly report for the last 24 hours
20:23<solva>and there is a huge spike in traffic soon before it drops off to 0
20:23<kyhwana_>solva: hmm. You could boot into single user mode or something, edit the config files then reboot again
20:23<kyhwana_>yeah, that makes sense
20:24<solva>normally getting about 80 hits per hour, then getting 300 hits
20:24<solva>but i mean, 300 hits per hour, surely shouldnt take a server down, right?
20:24<Varadin>I was asking myself the same question =)
20:24<solva>haha :)
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20:25<Vendan>your server configuration is most likely the problem
20:25<kyhwana_>yeah, check what your maxclients is set to for apache and if you have keepalives on, turn them off
20:25<Vendan>130 apache processes is rather excessive for 300 hits/hour
20:26<Vendan>that's roughly a hit every 12 seconds
20:26<Vendan>unless your site takes forever to load, you shouldn't need more then 10 to handle even burst traffic at that rate
20:27<solva>nah, its usually super fine
20:28<solva>i usually get maybe 900 to 1800 hits per day, depending on the day of the week (quieter on weekends)
20:28<solva>and it never blinks
20:28<solva>but then about two weeks ago i had the exact same scenario, however a reboot fixed it instantly
20:28<solva>but today, ive rebooted twice and its still occuring
20:30<Vendan>it's more likely an issue with config or the web app itself
20:30<Vendan>and rebooting only fixes that in that it kills all the apache processes
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20:42<playm>hey there I have a website specific problem
20:43<playm>there is a template that uses too much javascript (I guess)
20:43<playm>but it does not behave as it in local
20:43<playm>I should show the problem to you
20:44<playm>and than "ANASAYFA"
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20:44<playm>you will see
20:44<playm>the carousel in the homepage will not load this time
20:44<playm>but it works flawlessly in local environment
20:45<playm>what can cause a static website to behave strange in server env?
20:45<sirpengi>/styles/custom_styles.css returns 404
20:45<sirpengi>as do a bunch of images
20:45<solva>ok thanks Vendan and kyhwana_ i'll check it out further
20:46<playm>how you get this? google developer tools?
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20:48<Vendan>erm, chrome can do that pretty easy
20:48<sirpengi>chrome dev tools
20:48<linbot>New news from forum: Slashdot: Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked in General Discussion <>
20:48<sirpengi>just shows up in the console
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20:50<playm>sirpengi, those 404 errors can cause this problem?
20:50<sirpengi>uh sure
20:50<playm>because first time on homepage
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20:50<playm>everything is normal
20:50<sirpengi>that means those files are missing
20:51<playm>but if you click a link
20:51<playm>and get back to homepage again
20:51<playm>the problem occurs
20:51<playm>F5 fixes it
20:51<playm>problem with caching?
20:51<sirpengi>probably you didn't upload all necessary files to your server
20:52<sirpengi>or you didn't run some collection script that handles your static files
20:52<sirpengi>without knowing what you're running it's hard to say
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20:53<playm>sirpengi, I see, website is not mine (I hate using templates like this), we fixed the missing files and the problem goes on :(
20:53<playm>also you can clik "REFERANSLARIMIZ"
20:53<linbot>New news from forum: Slashdot: Linode hacked, CCs and passwords leaked in General Discussion <>
20:53<playm>and that loading icon "YÜKLENİYOR" never goes avay
20:54<playm>my friend says every file is the same with local
20:56<solva>so went to rescue mode and i've set my MaxClients down from 150 to 30, just to test,
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20:56<solva>how to i boot to normal mode again?
20:56<solva>can i just restart the server from the linode manager page?
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20:58<linbot>New news from forum: Three things Linode should improve upon? in General Discussion <>
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21:08<Varadin>Did you get it solva?
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21:15<linbot>New news from forum: Three things Linode should improve upon? in General Discussion <>
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21:23<kyhwana_>solva: yep
21:27<kyhwana_>hrm, where are the host key fingerprints for the new lish hosts? (ie, lish-fremont)
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21:35<bob2>don't you know how to use ssh
21:35<bob2>whenever you get a prompt about whatever just say 'yes' you are sure it is fine
21:35<kyhwana_>ohright, of course
21:36*kyhwana_ pushes the big button labeled MITM
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21:44<doug-_>does linode allow irc servers?
21:45<usser_>yes sir
21:45<usser_>i do belive so, atleast
21:45<@Perihelion>Yes! Atlanta filters 6667 but as long as you're not in that facility you should be good.
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21:48<doug-_>perihelion I take it linode has precautions for ddos attacks etc?
21:48<bob2>the precaution is your linode gets shitcanned if it gets ddos'd too often
21:49<@akerl>Our "precaution" is that if a DoS towards you affects the network, we null route the targetted IP
21:49<doug-_>whats too often?
21:49<@Perihelion>We don't do any dos filtering, no
21:49<@akerl>We don't do DoS mitigation as a service
21:49<bob2>more than zero is probably a good metric
21:49<doug-_>haha thats not really a metric thats any at all
21:50<usser_>thats what she said
21:50<@akerl>If you know going in to hosting something that you're gonna be collecting DoSes, you want DoS mitigation
21:50<doug-_>its a small network but on a rare occasion ddos's have happened.
21:50<@Perihelion>Try not to get DDoSed? Pretty please?
21:51<doug-_>I dont have an account yet hence why I'm here, trying to find out :)
21:51<usser_>just out of curiosity, what would be somethign that you know youre going to be collecting dos'es
21:51*rnowak starts throwing dos installation floppies at Perihelion
21:52<doug-_>guess my concern is if I get ddos'd once is my account going to be terminated?
21:52<@heckman>once, no
21:52*Perihelion flings packets at rnowak (of paper! OF PAPER!)
21:52<@heckman>We're not going to needlessly terminate your account.
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21:53<@heckman>If network attacks become a recurring theme, we'll need to look at what can be done to solve the issue.
21:53<doug-_>so if I get ddos 5 times in a year would that be considered recurring theme?
21:53<@akerl>It's case-by-case
21:53<usser_>do you expect to be dossed?
21:54<rnowak>how about 6 times?
21:54<rnowak> :>
21:54*heckman downgrades rnowak's Linode
21:54<doug-_>it does happen. do I expect it no not really. but as I said it has happened before hence why I'm asking
21:54<@heckman>GOOD NEWS! You save $0.05.
21:54<@akerl>If it does happen, then you seem to expect it?
21:55<@heckman>doug-_: if it becomes an issue, we won't just instantly terminate you. We'll definitely open a discussion with you via support ticket to discuss options.
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21:55<doug-_>akerl: its an irc server. sometimes the unexpected happens.
21:56<usser_>my irc servr hasnt been dossed yet
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21:56<rnowak>Wild DDoSs can be seen lurking in the bushes. They wait, and wait, and wait. They can wait days before striking unsuspecting prey that happens to walk by. It is a gruesome creature.
21:56<@akerl>You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means
21:56<rnowak>nah, I'd be a horrible nature reporter
21:56<usser_>i was pretty convinced, rnowak
21:56<bob2>you should just hide your ip
21:56<bob2>like steve gibson does
21:57<ajmitch>bob2: but raw sockets will doooom the internet
21:57<doug-_>my real name is inigo montoya.
21:58<doug-_>but anyway. I was just seeing were you guys stand on it. thanks for the info.
21:58<rnowak>1 and three quarters DDoS is the limit
21:58<usser_>quartarly, or yearly, rnowak ?
21:59<rnowak>for each 3.1
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21:59<rnowak>or 1.7, it is your choice really
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21:59<rnowak>if you hurry up and sign up now, it could be for each pineapple. PINEAPPLE.
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22:01<usser_>so, is that one pinapple per 1.7, 1 and three quarters per pinapple, or one pinapple per one and three quarters
22:01<kyhwana_>akerl: any word on where the new LISH host fingerprints are? or did I not read the blog post properly?
22:01<usser_>i think i just confused myself
22:03<Gnewt>Is it possible to have a 'hidden master' for an IRC server? As in, actual IRC server doesn't publicly serve, other cheap VPSes are used as proxies... DDoS = can that VPS, get a new one, switch up your DNS
22:03<rnowak>well, now you're out of time, so you're back to the ordinary purple or giraff
22:03<Gnewt>just curious
22:03<@akerl>Gnewt: wat
22:03<rnowak>Gnewt: how does that even make sense in your head
22:03<Gnewt>it's a totally reasonable idea, I don't know if I'm explaining it poorly
22:03<rnowak>it totally isn't
22:04<Gnewt>same thing as an nginx box in front of a remote apache/nginx instance
22:04<@akerl>It's pretty much the opposite of a reasonable idea
22:04<kyhwana_>Gnewt: well no, if you go around DDOSing all the proxies, your network still falls apart
22:04<usser_>Gnewt: i think i get the idea, but im not knowledgable to explain it any better then you did
22:04<rnowak>normal websites do not rely on persistent connections, that analogy is like bad car analogies
22:04<kyhwana_>and then the only one up is your hidden master.. which has no one on it because it's "hidden", right?
22:05<rnowak>and what does that help you since you'll be netsplitting anyway
22:05<Gnewt>right, not saying the network would stay up
22:05<Gnewt>(it wouldn't)
22:05<Gnewt>(at all)
22:05<usser_>thats what she said
22:05<@akerl>Gnewt: What is the benefit then?
22:05<Gnewt>akerl: Basically disposable IPs -- my VPS provider for my actual main IRC box isn't gonna kill my server if I kill the proxy in front of it beforehand
22:05<Gnewt>poor man's DDoS mitigation, with 0% uptime ;)
22:06<@akerl>You're the reason that providers have to be suspicious
22:06<@akerl>That's shitty, bro
22:06<kyhwana_>Gnewt: Just host an IRC network as a TOR hidden service. Done
22:06<Gnewt>christ guys, it's not a serious idea, I'm not even interested in hosting IRC networks
22:06<Gnewt>just a theoretical question based on questions above
22:06<rnowak>protip: don't come up with retardass ideas, then you own't have to "christ guys" again
22:07<usser_>this conversation is escalating quickly
22:07<rogerhub>Just make sure not to make any enemies.
22:07<usser_>first its talks of ddos mitigation, then to theoretical ideas, now religion?
22:07<Gnewt>When someone asks me a question that sounds stupid because I'm more knowledgeable in that area, I don't call them "retardass" questions. I try to help. If the question doesn't make sense, I explain that.
22:07<Ikaros>Ah but 'tis the very nature of IRC!
22:07<Gnewt>I don't just to insulting people right off the bat.
22:08<Ikaros>(so glad that lined didn't come after that one)
22:08<usser_>sorry, ill calm down
22:08<Ikaros>Oh hell it might have from another user's perspective due to network speed/congestion from different links in the network.
22:09<Gnewt>w/e. Just used to less shitty responses to bad ideas.
22:09<usser_>Gnewt: i think the tone was set by the person before you
22:09<Peng_>Gnewt's idea is sort of how hubs work, right?
22:09<Peng_>It's just not really useful, given how IRC networks are structured.
22:09<Gnewt>maybe I jumped in at a bad time, I didn't read that whole convo
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22:10<rnowak>02:05:51 Gnewt: akerl: Basically disposable IPs -- my VPS provider for my actual main IRC box isn't gonna kill my server if I kill the proxy in front of it beforehand
22:10<Ikaros>Who hasn't done that at least once
22:10<rnowak>your question from a technical standpoit was just silly, your reasoning for doing it is what is disgusting and deserved "retardass"
22:10<Gnewt>It wouldn't be a 'nice thing to do' and I'm not advocating for it.
22:11<Gnewt>I'm not into fucking up other peoples' networks.
22:11<Ikaros>Uhh...I'm...just going to run off...and chill outside on my porch enjoying the warm humid weather before the bottom literally drops out. >.>
22:11<Peng_>ugh, warm and humid
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22:12<Gnewt>The 'learner' guy who was around here for like 7 days straight asking basic questions about a production environment he had no idea how to set up didn't get flat out yelled at.
22:12<Ikaros> <-- See that line? Cold front. And I do mean cold.
22:12<anew>linode doesnt have a live chat do they ?
22:13<Gnewt>you're in it ;)
22:13<@heckman>anew: you'll get a ticket response within a minute or two.
22:13<Peng_>Gnewt: Really? I would have thought they did.
22:13<anew>yeah just going back and forth
22:13<usser_>is this live?
22:13<Gnewt>no ;)
22:13<anew>this is a stupid question, but i want to test my site by ip address before i put the dns transfer over
22:13<atrus`>please listen carefully, as our menu options have changed.
22:13<Peng_>This conversation is previously recorded.
22:13<usser_>this was previously reco...
22:13<usser_>damn you
22:13<anew>and i cant get it working from the ip address they gave me
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22:14<rnowak>does it have a 7 or 9 in it?
22:14<usser_>stole my punch line, Peng_
22:14<anew>not sure what to do
22:14*Gnewt is a very special AI designed to ask questions which elicit max anger
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22:14<anew>getting a 404
22:14<rnowak>"special" indeed
22:14<anew>for my server address
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22:14<usser_>did you pass the turing test, Gnewt ?
22:14<Peng_>how do you feel about did you pass the turing test, Gnewt ?
22:14<kyhwana_>anew: put your fqdn into your local hosts file with the IP you want to test
22:15<usser_>what is happening here
22:15<Gnewt>I don't think I passed it with rnowak ;p
22:15<@heckman>anew: it's possible your web server is handling the request different based on the Host: header.
22:15<anew>and then when i trasfer the dns erase that entry kyhwana ?
22:15<Peng_>anew: Yes.
22:15<anew>let me try
22:16<kyhwana_>anew: sure
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22:17<anew>hmm the server ip is already in /etc/hosts
22:17<@heckman>on your local machine?
22:17<anew>on the server
22:17<@heckman>You need to do this on your local machine
22:18<@heckman>"local hosts file"
22:19<anew>hmmm ok
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22:20<anew>linode support must think i'm an idiot
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22:20<kyhwana_>i'm sure they've delt with worse
22:20<usser_>like people who spell dealth wrong?
22:21<usser_>cant stand those people
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22:22<usser_>has anybody ever implemented subsonic on their linode?
22:22<Gnewt>I did it on a Debian box
22:22<Gnewt>same distro my Linode is running, but on my home server
22:22<kyhwana_>usser_: or colour! I hate those people.
22:22<Gnewt>process shouldn't be any different though
22:23<usser_>my only hesitation of putting subsonic on my linode is copyright infringment
22:23<anew>well one issue with editing my local hosts file
22:23<anew>the site is actually live on the domain name ...
22:24<anew>stupid question
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22:24<usser_>ive heard of people hosting their files elsewhere from where the actual application is hosted though
22:24<usser_>might look into that
22:24<anew>actually yeah i dont understand
22:25<anew>if i go to my server ip 123.45.67.
22:25<Gnewt>usser_: If you're hosting it for yourself there shouldn't be any issues
22:25<anew>how will editing my local hosts file show me what is on that ip
22:25<usser_>i was thinking about hosting it for a few of my friends
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22:26<Gnewt>Are your friends gonna file DMCA complaints?
22:26<usser_>probably not
22:26<kyhwana_>anew: it won't
22:26<anew>so i dont get it ?
22:27<kyhwana_>anew: but I believe the local hosts file overrules answers from DNS, so if you put in <new IP>. You type in and you'll hit the new IP
22:27<kyhwana_>and if your vhost is, oh look, it's the new website
22:28<anew>yeah but is live and working. i have it on rackspace. i just want to test the site on linode before i change the dns
22:28<@heckman>Right, so if you edit the host file on your local computer to point to the Linode IP
22:28<anew>so if i do everything u said and type in ... i'm just going to go to the rackspace version
22:28<@heckman>When you go to it'll go to the Linode version
22:28<anew>i see
22:28<@heckman><ip> <hostname>
22:28<@heckman>Is the usual format.
22:28<@heckman>If you're using Chrome, quit and reopen as it caches DNS internally.
22:29<@heckman>Or much around in chrome://net-internals
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22:33<retro|blah>itym munch
22:34<anew>no didnt work
22:34<anew>screw it going to change dns tomorrow during low traffic time
22:34<kyhwana_>What file did you add it to?
22:35<anew>let me flush the dns
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22:35<anew>and try again
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22:37<Vendan>make sure it's ip then host, that's what I usually screw up(half the time I put host then IP)
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22:38<anew>is what i have
22:38<Peng_>Take out the "http://"
22:38<@akerl>I don't think that's your IP
22:38<Peng_>Just ""
22:38<Ikaros>Uhh...yeah. That IP, not valid.
22:38<Ikaros>Not even an IP
22:38<anew>no still not
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22:38<anew>obv not my server ip...
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22:39<anew>dunno, will try tomorrow i guess
22:39<Ikaros>You're trying to point a hostname to your Linode's IP?
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22:39<anew>i just wanted to test everything i uploaded before i changed the dns from rackspace to linode
22:40<Ikaros>Format in your hosts file then would be: <linode ip> <hostname>
22:40<Ikaros>Then you'll have to clear your browser's DNS cache.
22:40<Peng_>Note that "" and "" are separate.
22:40<Peng_>anew: We'd rather know your real IP and hostname and what you really put in your hosts file in order to poke things ourselves.
22:41<Peng_>anew: And to be more certain you have it right.
22:41<anew>that worked
22:41<anew>cleared cache, cleared ip
22:41<anew>damn good thing i tested it, this site is all screwed up
22:42<anew>oh prob because no db in there, ok cool... all this for tomorrow, 5am here
22:42<anew>thanks a lot everyone
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22:43<Ikaros>Though usually mucking with the hosts file isn't usually recommended as often times you forget a change you made in it and later on you're left wondering why it's not going where you want it to. >.>
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22:43<Peng_>Yeah,that's a fun one.
22:43<anew>yeah going to comment it out before i go to bed now
22:44<anew>i did this on my mother in laws computer so she couldnt access facebook
22:44<anew>oh the fun that was
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22:45<Ikaros>Sleep well.
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22:46<Ikaros>Anyway, bearing in mind that Windows will (or is supposed to at least) check the Hosts file first and always before bothering with actual DNS queries...but then again when does Windows ever do something 100% correctly?
22:46-!-coyo [] has quit [Quit: F*ck you, I'm a daemon.]
22:47<Ikaros>Ok screw it I'm installing Linux on my new hard disk. bbl
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22:47<Peng_>What's Windows doing incorrectly?
22:48*Nightmare wonders which distro
22:48<Ikaros>Depends on your perspective.
22:49<Ikaros>From my point of view...everything.
22:49<Ikaros>Then again that's what happens to a user who gets a taste of Linux and then falls in love with it.
22:50<Ikaros>Anyway that breath of fresh (ok, humid) air outside helped me relax after a stressful day...too bad it'll be ~50 degrees colder this time tomorrow.
22:51<Ikaros>Oh and I'm not divulging which distro I'm picking. So sorry, Nightmare
22:53<Nightmare>Clearly Ikaros is a member of the secret Gentoo lovers community, and doesn't want to invoke the wrath of everyone
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23:11<Ikaros>Oi now that's not a fair assessment.
23:12<Ikaros>Fine if you must know, since my use is more desktop oriented as opposed to development/server use, I'm putting Linux Mint on it. Because it just works right out of the box on my computer (that and I lost my previous install due to the other drive deciding to slow to a 0.1 MB/sec max crawl)
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23:18<milovisnick>Hi everyone, for some reason my linode server is up, I cant login to the server (even resetting password via lish), and all my sites are down..
23:19<kyhwana_>milovisnick: whats the IP?
23:19<kyhwana_>and/or domain, rather
23:19<kyhwana_>milovisnick: do you see any errors in LISH?
23:19<Ikaros>The way you say that is...nevermind, yes, IP.
23:20<kyhwana_>milovisnick: whats the error you get when you try to ssh to it? ssh is up, but seems like your webserver is down
23:20<milovisnick>I just get access denied
23:21<retro|blah>'resetting password via lish' so are you able to log in via lish?
23:21<kyhwana_>But you can login to it via the LISH console?
23:21<milovisnick>Sorry, I meant I cant even login via the LISH console
23:21<kyhwana_>And there aren't any errors or anything showing up on the LISh console? can you login via LISH as root?
23:22<Ikaros>He can't get into LISH either so I doubt he could check that.
23:22<Ikaros>Or am I being ignorant
23:22<Ikaros>Yes yes I am
23:22*Ikaros slaps himself
23:22<Nightmare>Well, Linux Mint is nice
23:22<milovisnick>I cant get into the server at all
23:22<kyhwana_>Ikaros: well, if the normal user they were logging in as had the password changed, they should be able to still login as root, unless that was hossed as well
23:22<kyhwana_>milovisnick: so, no errors in LISH?
23:23<Ikaros>The root password reset mechanism from the Linode Manager should work fine, should it not?
23:23<milovisnick>Its either access denied or login incorrect
23:23<kyhwana_>milovisnick: yes, was there anything showing in the LISH console other than the normal login prompt?
23:23<milovisnick>Even tried adding SSH keys they were rejected, and SSH password change for LISH from the linode manager
23:23<milovisnick>Oh no
23:23<Ikaros>And this is when you try to login to LISH, or after you get into LISH and get to your console?
23:24<milovisnick>This is while trying to login to LISH
23:24<kyhwana_>milovisnick: well, the "change root password" thing in the linode manager should work, it does require a reboot though. Then you should be able to login via LISH as root
23:24<milovisnick>Ah I will try rebooting
23:24<kyhwana_>milovisnick: wait, so you can't even get into the LISH console?
23:24<Ikaros>Now he realizes it.
23:25<milovisnick>I tried rebooting yesterday but no go, I will try again now though.
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23:26<Ikaros>Well no, what he's saying is to use the "Change root password" mechanism in Linode Manager.
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23:27<Ikaros>That'll change your Linode's root password, which in turn will need a reboot. As for LISH, the login is the same as your Linode Manager credentials.
23:27<milovisnick>So reboot didnt work, I still cant get in.
23:28<kyhwana_>milovisnick: did you change your root password via the linode dashboard?
23:28<milovisnick>I have been trying to get in via the LISH via SSH
23:28<milovisnick>I completely forgot the reset root option
23:29<milovisnick>Will try that now
23:29<Ikaros>Linode Manager, click on your Linode, then the Rescue tab, at the bottom is the Reset Root Password function.
23:30<milovisnick>Trying that now thanks
23:31<Ikaros>That'll reset your Linode's root password, but as far as LISH goes, it's better to use the new LISH access method as opposed to the depreciated method.
23:31<kyhwana_>Hmm, must submit ticket when I get home, find out where the fingerprints are for new LISH
23:32<milovisnick>yay Im in!
23:32<milovisnick>now...I wonder why my sites are down :|
23:32<Ikaros>The issue I'm seeing is that nothing is listening on port 80 on your IP.
23:33<Ikaros>As in requests are getting to your Linode but 'nobody's home', as they say.
23:33<milovisnick>Restart apache?
23:33<Ikaros>Well the symptoms I'm noticing suggest perhaps it's not running to begin with.
23:33<Ikaros>Or perhaps it is but not where you want it to
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23:34<Ikaros>I mean as in the correct IP and/or port
23:34<kyhwana_>milovisnick: check your logs?
23:34<Ikaros>Most Apache distributions usually do listen on 80 by default so that usually isn't an issue
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23:34<kyhwana_>Also check nothing dumb happened like you ran out of disk space or you got hacked, OOMed/etc
23:34<milovisnick>how do I access the logs
23:35<milovisnick>I tried starting apache but it failed
23:35<kyhwana_>they're in /var/log/
23:35<milovisnick>I think its because I deleted a site via FTP but not from apache?
23:35<milovisnick>It threw up that error but also said to check logs
23:35<milovisnick>DocumentRoot does not exit
23:35<kyhwana_>you deleted stuff via FTP? (why are you running FTP? stop that, use SFTP)
23:35<milovisnick>sorry I meant SFTP
23:35<kyhwana_>OK good
23:36<kyhwana_>milovisnick: did you delete/disable the vhost for the site you deleted?
23:36<Ikaros>Yeah, you need to remove the host from Apache.
23:36<Ikaros>Or at least comment it out.
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23:36<milovisnick>Did the linode guides change?
23:36<Ikaros>Apache's going to complain if it can't find a defined path in any given DocumentRoot directive.
23:37<milovisnick>I cant find the apache stuff any more
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23:37<cjaredrun>apache was deprecated, see nginx
23:37*Ikaros slaps cjaredrun
23:37<Ikaros>You can say that after nginx becomes the dominant daemon.
23:37<milovisnick>erm so mkdir -p ... is to setup vhost
23:37<Ikaros>Not until then >.>
23:38<milovisnick>how do I delete that directory?
23:38<cjaredrun>fair :)
23:38<Ikaros>Find where the vhost is configured in Apache, comment it out.
23:38<milovisnick>oh wait found it
23:38<Ikaros>Or remove it outright
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23:39<milovisnick>awww yesshhh
23:39<milovisnick>beast mode, you guys rock sites are back up
23:40<milovisnick>Now I need to go setup pingdom...since they have been down for a longgg time never realized
23:40<Ikaros>Just make sure if you do that again, to update Apache as well
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23:40<milovisnick>Until the adsense checks stopped coming in...
23:40<Ikaros>Meh. Ads. Hate them.
23:40<Ikaros>Hate hate hate hate hate
23:40<milovisnick>hmm I guess since I feel so empowered I will attempt a update
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23:41<Ikaros>(watch as shit hits the fan)
23:41<milovisnick>Dont leave me plz
23:41<milovisnick>Hold my hands
23:41<milovisnick>Ikaros on one side, kyhwana_ on the other?
23:41<Ikaros>Kinda hard to do that over the Internet.
23:42<milovisnick>O crap I just updated the whole server
23:42<linbot>New news from forum: Three things Linode should improve upon? in General Discussion <> || openvpn -TLS Error in General Discussion <>
23:42<milovisnick>Nothing broke
23:43<Ikaros>I'm not going anywhere. I might be slightly distracted from time to time - I have like 10 other IRC network connections open. My attention divides upon the many channels I take part in or just sit there like a lazy sack of crap
23:43<milovisnick>I hate hetz***
23:43<Ikaros>For the record I'm not actually lazy.
23:43<milovisnick>One of my disks is failing on that server, its my more popular site...Im going to be down for 14 hours minimum
23:43<Ikaros>lul, regular backups = win
23:43<milovisnick>Another $200 out the water for my server admin to move the site onto the new HDD
23:44<milovisnick>I use tarsnap
23:44<milovisnick>Backups no problem -> setting backup problem.
23:44<Ikaros>$200, really...yeah. I'm leaving.
23:44<milovisnick>Its a big site
23:44<milovisnick>Not just moving the site, setting up the server etc
23:44<Ikaros>I dumped my big solution for a smaller solution.
23:45<Ikaros>Never going back there
23:45<milovisnick>I just wish BW wasnt so expensive at linode
23:45<Ikaros>Eh it's expensive everywhere.
23:45<milovisnick>That site eats like 5-8TB per month
23:45<Ikaros>They don't actually tell you because you would likely freak out.
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23:46<milovisnick>Linode got new plans?
23:46<milovisnick>Since when did the 4gb plan come with 8TB transfer?
23:46<Ikaros>I wouldn't say 'new' per-se.
23:46<Ikaros>They got upgraded.
23:46<milovisnick>now they tell me...
23:46<Peng_>milovisnick: a month or two ago
23:46<Ikaros>It's on their blog.
23:46<Peng_>milovisnick: Linode recently multiplied transfer quotes by 10 and RAM by 2.
23:46<milovisnick>So who wants to help me move my big site onto linode?
23:46*Ikaros flees
23:47<Peng_>Ikaros: Oh, thanks. I *thought* "quotas", but my fingers apparently disagreed.
23:47<Ikaros>I flee because I'm literally managing like 30-35 some-odd sites on 3 AWS instances >.>
23:47<milovisnick>How much is it per extra TB?
23:48<milovisnick>I think I would rather well on the 2GB, but I need more than 4TB transfer obvs
23:48<milovisnick>No takers?
23:48<Peng_>milovisnick: $100 per extra TB.
23:48<milovisnick>I'll stick to where its at atm
23:49<Ikaros>Heh. You can always resize as needed later.
23:49<Peng_>milovisnick: Oddly, they didn't decrease extra transfer or overage costs. It'd be cheaper to buy an extra node or two and not even boot them. :-\
23:49<milovisnick>Even still $40 is a bit much
23:50<milovisnick>I pay like $30 for my unlimited
23:50<milovisnick>I know you guys hate that word
23:50<milovisnick>I mean unmetered until 5TB
23:50<milovisnick>then reduces speed to 10mbits
23:50<Ikaros>Yeah, see, bandwidth can never be "unlimited".
23:50<milovisnick>But 100mbit port is like $5 per tb extra
23:50<Ikaros>It is not an infinite resource
23:51<jmordica>Peng_: it's 100.00 per TB at linode?
23:51<Ikaros>If you do the math, it is.
23:51<Peng_>jmordica: Yes.
23:51<jmordica>under extras?
23:51<Peng_>jmordica: Yes.
23:51<jmordica>add disk space?
23:51<Peng_>jmordica: What? I'm talking transfer, not disk space.
23:51<Ikaros>Every 100 GB of extra transfer under Extras is $10/mo. more a piece
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23:51<milovisnick>Pingdom activated, sites back up, server updated
23:52<milovisnick>Im on a rolllll today
23:52<milovisnick>Thanks to Ikaros
23:52<milovisnick>and my other buddy idk where he went
23:52*Ikaros cannot take the entire credit
23:52<Ikaros>You're just lucky I decided to stay up late tonight :P
23:53<milovisnick>Im just lucky you were in the mood to put up with me tonight
23:53<milovisnick>Usually my noob questions are not welcome here
23:53<milovisnick>Generally ends in check the logs -> learn how to check the logs -> google it
23:53<milovisnick>All valid points
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23:54<Ikaros>Ok, I'm gonna point something out here.
23:54<Ikaros>[10:53:12 PM] <milovisnick> Im just lucky you were in the mood to put up with me tonight <-- The reason for that's pretty simple. I'm always in the mood. Even if I'm in a bad mood, I'm always in the mood to help someone.
23:54<Ikaros>Because that's just how I am. I don't care if the questions are stupid/noobish/whatever
23:55<Ikaros>Because I sit here at this computer and realize that not everyone on the internet has the same smarts I do
23:55<milovisnick>Well I appreciate it none the less, the only reason I moved a few of my sites onto linode is because it would force me to learn how to somewhat manage a server
23:56<Ikaros>It's really no problem. And yes, the learning experience is a nice thing to have. That's knowledge you can take with you later on.
23:56<Ikaros>Kinda how I got into what I do.
23:56<Ikaros>Now look at me, I'm Linuxin' like nobody's business.
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23:57<milovisnick>I can only wish I had those skillz
23:58<Ikaros>Well you've picked an excellent platform to learn on. Take advantage of it.
23:59<Nightmare>Everyone has to start learning somewhere, and you happened to pick quite a good place to start
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