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---Logopened Thu May 09 00:00:56 2013
00:01<Ikaros>(ok, note to not mention boobs in #linode...apparently there's a few people who can't help but react to the word)
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00:15<Nightmare>well, this is a channel for (most likely) lonely people who administrate virtual Linux servers... what were you expecting?
00:18<synapt>windows VPS's
00:19<Peng_>I use my Linodes to simulate FRIENDS.
00:20<Nightmare>I use my Linodes to simulate boyfriends.
00:21<Peng_>Don't let our Linodes meet. They'll start dating and leave us in the dust.
00:21<Nightmare>Your Linodes are female?
00:21<kyhwana_>Nightmare: why would they have to be female?
00:22<Nightmare>They do not, I was just inquiring as to the gender
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00:53<TecnoBrat>Nightmare: I think linodes are asexual, they definitely have both female and male ports plugged in ... wait .. thats not asexual .. thats something else?
00:53<Nightmare>My Linodes are definitely male >:
00:54<@Perihelion>Mine are anything they want to be
00:54<@Perihelion>You're not their real father you can't tell them what to do
00:55<Nightmare>Yes I am
00:55<Nightmare>I brought them into this world and I can for DAMN well sure take them out of it if I want to!
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01:15<purrdeta>Are we still discussing Linodes as an SO?
01:17<bob2>significant otter
01:17<Solver>TecnoBrat: they are hermaphrodites then :)
01:17<kyhwana_>oh right
01:17<kyhwana_>otters eh
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01:19<Gnintendo>hmm wheezy was released wat
01:19<Gnintendo>I missed the memo
01:19<Gnintendo>finals week and all
01:19<Solver>last weekend
01:20<Solver>the one just passed
01:20<Solver>so you can't too out of date
01:21<Gnintendo>oh, I don't run Debian anyway
01:22<Gnintendo>I'm just surprised the news completely went over me :P
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01:41<catreina>so this new gateway - I cannot do anything but connect to my console - I cannot use any of the commands that are listed in the library.
01:41<catreina>and I still have no access via ssh keys. =(
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01:41<catreina>where is the new lish stuff?
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01:42<retro|blah>catreina: Go to 'my profile' to deploy ssh keys ofr the new gateways.
01:42<catreina>I have done that over and over and over.
01:43<retro|blah>OK, step me through what you've done.
01:43<catreina>they never allow me to use the ssh keys to log in, even though I have even used the same keys to log into my box directly
01:44<catreina>how about this - I have copied the ssh key directly from my linodes authorized_keys file
01:44<kyhwana_>if you can connect to the lish console, you attach it to a node and bam, youve got a console
01:44<catreina>then used the correct private key to try to log into lish
01:44<catreina>and the lish console never allows me to log in with the key.
01:44<catreina>I am constantly notified that the server refused the key, and I am forced to log in directly.
01:45<kyhwana_>try generating a new key pair for lish?
01:45<catreina>Been there, done that.
01:45<catreina>Hell, before I came in here again I created yet another one, and that one isnt working either.
01:46<kyhwana_>pastebin the vrrbose output of your ssh client?
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01:46<retro|blah>just to be sure, are you copying the key as a single line?
01:46<catreina>I am not talking about my linode
01:46<catreina>I am talking about LISH
01:46<catreina>I cannot paste anything but my pubic key file.
01:46<catreina>yes - it is a DIRECT COPY from the authorized keys file (at the moment)
01:47<catreina>ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABJQAAAIEAwGDjSgdmSJg3ExF4SREEJOTPj7+K0BaHVRexsEOzxYjYlaAa9RM9Zwx2NNN9KF8TX5xQFdW4ED+FVFM8lhDHH1hEvlbbux4Hv2UvUnR6VPQIirhjCM+Ak70NdOW5N9n5IqVQjrY0ZtB/pANMXlrFpnxxQ3vXtsCsVhlif+nyYJk= rsa-key-20130509
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01:47<catreina>directly from my public key on my linode - as entered into the LISH via SSH keys box on the manager.
01:48<kyhwana_>try it without the keyname?
01:48<catreina>been there done that.
01:48<retro|blah>that sounds like you're still putting it int hew rong place then
01:48<catreina>doesnt help.
01:48<retro|blah>Lish via SSH Keys is for ssh the old style hosts
01:48<catreina>WOuld you like me to turn on my live stream and show you that it is in the right place?
01:48<catreina>because I am not a fucking moron - I am putting it into where the fucking website says to do so.
01:49<kyhwana_>the old outdated website
01:49<catreina>The one that I was told "the Lish via SSH keys entry box is for the NEW gateway" - yes
01:49<catreina>by multiple people, in here, 2 days ago.
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01:50<catreina>because I have yet to be able to use ssh keys to log into Lish.
01:50<kyhwana_>ahh. hmm
01:50<catreina>Using username "catreina".
01:50<catreina>Server refused our key
01:50<catreina>'s password:
01:51<kyhwana_>do you have 2fa for the dashboard on by any chance?
01:52<catreina>context please
01:53<kyhwana_>2 factor auth
01:53<catreina>didnt even know linode allowed / provided 2fa
01:53<catreina>but no, I do not.
01:53<kyhwana_>have you tried filing a ticket?
01:53<catreina>not yet
01:53<kyhwana_>oh, well they did a few days ago
01:54<kyhwana_>anyway, if youve done everything correctly then its a bug that its not taking your key
01:56<catreina>Holy fucking shit
01:56<catreina>well, this is fucking hilarity - not a single person suggested this. Not a one.
01:56<catreina>So - I got keys working for me.
01:56<catreina>because you said they added 2fa recently.
01:56<catreina>I checked "my profile"
01:56<catreina>and not the actual manager page for the remote access (which is where EVERYONE said to do it)
01:57<catreina>on the my profile page, it has a lish keys section.
01:57<retro|blah>224241 < retro|blah> catreina: Go to 'my profile' to deploy ssh keys ofr the new gateways.
01:57<catreina>retro - I missed that.
01:57<kyhwana_>im pretty sure we've told you to use my profile, not remote access
01:57<kyhwana_>and the last time you came in too
01:57<catreina>Not that I recall
01:57<catreina>and if that was said, I missed it.
01:58<kyhwana_>sooo, PEBKAC
01:58<catreina>I can always check my logs though - it is irrelevant though.
01:58<catreina>No - the issue is 100% on their fucking management website.
01:58<kyhwana_>le sigh
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01:58<kyhwana_>no, you didnt read properly
01:58<catreina>Why have the box on the fucking management page for remote access when it is (massively) outdated?
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01:59<Peng_>catreina: Because it's only like one week outdated.
01:59<catreina>and then why say "the ssh keys box is for the new gateways"
01:59<retro|blah>I believe that's going away at the end of this week
01:59<Peng_>catreina: And at the moment it's deprecated, not gone.
01:59<retro|blah>So that confusion will (had better) sort itself out after then
02:00<catreina>deprecated implies that it is still -working- but will be removed.
02:00<catreina>it is -gone-
02:00<Peng_>It is?
02:00<catreina>It didnt work for me at all dude - thats what all this shit was about.
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02:03<catreina>well - the first response I got from hoopycat a few days ago did say "my profile" - but I didnt even read that because you said "qualify your issues" kywhana =) So I did miss / misread it
02:04<catreina>but that was only part of the issue, because your first response acutally said "to LISH via the manager page"
02:05<catreina>just me missing hoopycat's comments (which were 100% "go to the My Profile" page) and getting frustrated because I wasnt even paying attention to his statements. I feel like a douche now.
02:05<catreina>cant wait till that part of the front page is gone
02:07<catreina>and kywhana - sorry for the confusion from my lack of reading capability or reading comprehension (it must be one of the two).
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02:08<kyhwana_>but it works now, so all good
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02:19<Nightmare>catreina: what time is it there
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02:30<Nightmare>good mornnnnnnning
02:32<Peng_>... vietnam
02:32<lakridserne>How can I use a custom distro with Linode? I'm using CentOS, but Linode apparently does not include IP vs
02:33<Peng_>"IP vs"?
02:33<Peng_>!library custom
02:33<linbot>Peng_: 1. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 2. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Automate Deployment with StackScripts -
02:33<lakridserne>Sorry, IP virtual server
02:34<kyhwana_>"ip virtual server"?
02:35<lakridserne>Yeah, a kernel module that should allow me to load balance over IPv6
02:37<kyhwana_>well, you can do your own cusyom kernel with pv grub
02:37<MajObviousman>pvgrub is your friend
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02:39<lakridserne>I'll look into it
02:40<lakridserne>And probably ask for some more help
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02:42<MajObviousman>hmm, with a full gig of RAM
02:43<MajObviousman>I'm considering moving up to a 64-bit distro
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02:43<lakridserne>Linode recommend it now as there is so much ram available
02:44<MajObviousman>because this is my only remaining 32-bit computer, and I'm tired of maintaining a separate clean-room in 32-bit just for this one server
02:44<purrdeta>lakridserne: they did? Where?
02:44<kyhwana_>well, plus the whole xen bug then
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02:44<MajObviousman>do tell about this xen bug
02:45<purrdeta>ugh migrating to 64bit is such a hassle now though lol
02:45<MajObviousman>hah, I'm starting over on this server, so now's a good time
02:45<MajObviousman>welllp I just convinced myself
02:45<MajObviousman>!library 64-bit
02:45<linbot>MajObviousman: 1. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Install Kloxo on CentOS 5 - | 3. Email and Calendars with Zimbra 6 on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
02:46<purrdeta>Wish I could just copy over all the things and be done.
02:46<kyhwana_>oh, there was an issue where after you migrate, vms wouldnt boot with 32bit kernela but would with 64bit ones
02:46<purrdeta>kyhwana_: ah
02:46<purrdeta>luckily I was not plagued with that
02:46<Peng_>MajObviousman: The Xen bug's been fixed, though.
02:46<lakridserne>They have changed the distro list, and we talked with some staff members about why they now recommend it
02:46<Peng_>And you could boot a 32-bit system with a 64-bit kernel.
02:46<Peng_>Oh? They said why they recommend it? When?
02:47<MajObviousman>lakridserne: is this a published stance by staff members?
02:48<MajObviousman>also, can I pump a 1024 up to a 2048?
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02:48<Nightmare>Yeah, in the resize tab.
02:48<lakridserne>MajObviousman: Not sure if it was personal opinion or Linodes opinion
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02:49<lakridserne>Peng_: A couple of days ago as far as I remember
02:50*MajObviousman is thinking of setting up a heartbeat/pacemaker cluster
02:51<lakridserne>MajObviousman: The Linode is shut down and the data is transferred to another host, which takes about a minute per GB
02:51<MajObviousman>aha, I see it now, when you go to deploy a new distribution, the 64-bit distros are at the top and marked as recommended
02:51<MajObviousman>well, that answers the question
02:53<bob2>i want a kvmnode
02:53<TeddyR>yup. in the past (at least on the 512s) the 32bit were the ones recommended...
02:53<Peng_>bob2: Why?
02:53<bob2>Peng_, eleetness
02:53<MajObviousman>well, at least he's honest
02:54<synapt>TeddyR: as far as I'm aware they still are
02:54<synapt>on anything under 4 gig linodes
02:54<synapt>(or maybe 2 gig)
02:54<lakridserne>BTW I'm sorry it takes a bit of time to answer. I'm on my phone
02:55<Peng_>synapt: No, it recommends 64-bit for everything now.
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02:56<lakridserne>synapt: Not from Linodes side
02:56<synapt>Didn't it technically always recommend 64-bit kernels in-manager?
02:56<synapt>thought I always saw it even on 512's, it was always in here people suggested to use the 32-bit's though due to the overhead
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02:56<synapt>(ignoring that there are no more 512's I guess)
02:57<TeddyR>well... still 512s in Fremont... :-(
02:57<synapt>true >.>
02:57*TeddyR had to get that in there....
02:57<lakridserne>synapt: No
02:57<Nightmare>fremont best datacenter
02:58<Peng_>synapt: I still have a 512.
02:58<Peng_>synapt: Outside of Fremont. THey haven't forced me to migrate/upgrade yet...
02:58<synapt>but but
02:58<synapt>it's a nickel
02:58<synapt>why wouldn't you :(
02:58*lakridserne gets a nightmare when thinking about Fremont
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02:59<synapt>you're robbing some poor linode tech of their nickel raise
02:59<Peng_>synapt: not only that, I break into their houses and steal dimes from behind their couch cushions.
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03:00<TeddyR>hes probably waiting till all the "ooh new toy, lets run a systemcheck/benchmark" people finish so that the activity/performance goes to normal.
03:01<kyhwana_>lol fremont
03:01<Peng_>TeddyR: Yeah, there is that.
03:01<Peng_>The CPU contention on my old-node shows that I'm not the only person who hasn't migrated yet. :P
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03:05<TeddyR>something that would probably never happen but would really be nice (too many people would want to move nodes when they really dont need to) would be to allow users to see detailed host statistics on the whole host for the host that their nodes are on....
03:05<Peng_>Mostly I'm just being lazy. And letting other guinea pigs work out the kinks.
03:06<Peng_>TeddyR: What kind of statistics?
03:08<TeddyR>cpu/ram/network... (used to use vmware virtualcenter a while back that gave some nice stats/graphs)...
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03:09*bob2 uses the HT info leak to just get stats from neighbouring guests
03:09<Peng_>I agree that it'd be neat, but I think you're right -- "too many people would want to move nodes when they really dont need to"
03:09<Peng_>Linode already lets people move if they're really experiencing problems.
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03:11<MajObviousman>Peng_: think munin
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03:16<MajObviousman>so, I can set rDNS for my IPs in the manager. But can I also do my own PTR records and set Linode's DNS servers up as slaves?
03:17<MajObviousman>when did that change?
03:17<Peng_>That never changed?
03:17<bob2>that has been the case forever
03:17<bob2>unless you mean "PTR records for other space"
03:18<MajObviousman>define forever
03:18<bob2>since the restriction is linode does not let you delegate rdns for a /32
03:18<bob2>"as long as linode has existed"
03:18<MajObviousman>so this old 512 I have where that's how it's set up
03:18<bob2>but it will happily server PTR records for you for other zones
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03:18*MajObviousman does a test
03:21<MajObviousman>so then I am misremembering
03:21<MajObviousman>because I don't see any PTR records in my zones
03:21<bob2>I don't think anyone allows delegating a /32
03:22<MajObviousman>ahhh I know what it is
03:22<MajObviousman>I'm conflating DNS I set up for my LAN around the house with what's on my linodes
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04:33<Shuaib>Does the VPS support rails? or I should install it my self?
04:34<Peng_>Shuaib: It doesn't come preinstalled. It's one apt-get or yum away, though.
04:34<Shuaib>Okay, great.
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04:38<Navi>Peng_: I see no pacman love.
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04:54<Guest4769>Hello, is it possible to rsync files via the rescue console? I accidentally destroyed glibc on a machine, and would just like to recover some data
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04:56<Guest4769>It appears that rsync does not work. it exits with an error about protocol incompatibility
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04:59<Oli>Is there any option to pay off a balance by Paypal?
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05:01<linbot>I read in the FAQ you don't take paypal. Do you take paypal?
05:01*Peng_ scowls.
05:01<Peng_>Oli: Linode doesnt do PayPal, but PayPal's third-party credit cards work.
05:02<Peng_>!f paypal
05:02<linbot>Peng_: What forms of payment do you accept? We accept Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover. We have month-to-month, 12-month, and 24-month terms available. Paypal transfers are not supported but Paypal debit/credit cards should work.
05:02<bob2>Peng_, does linode accept paypal
05:03<synapt>I think that just answered the question
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05:04<Oli>I'm reluctant to give Linode another CC number to store and possibly lose in the future. Are there *any* other payment options?
05:04<synapt>well seeing as nobody in here has said a word about mysterious charges that I've seen, I don't think any have been 'lost' yet really
05:04<bob2>some people have
05:04<synapt>When and where?
05:04<bob2>unclear if it is linode-related or not though
05:05<bob2>"in the past"
05:05<bob2>also HN has some superlolz with the "magazine" allegedly from the HTP people
05:05<synapt>of course, saw the article myself
05:05<synapt>though not the HN stuff
05:06<Peng_>THere haven't been a statistically significant number of credit card fraud reports.
05:06<Peng_>Oli: Your credit card company doesn't offer disposable numbers?
05:06<synapt>Peng: reference?
05:06<Oli>It doesn't really matter whether other people had issues or not. It was a viable threat so I either faced the risk of fighting my bank for getting money back or just cancelling my card. It's a PITA but it's the lesser pain in those two cases.
05:06<synapt>More so seeing as HTP themselves claiming they destroyed the data a while ago
05:07<synapt>and one of the guys who were involved apparently turned snitch already
05:07<synapt>Oli: If you have to 'fight the bank' for false charges, get a new bank
05:07<synapt>or get a paypal debit card
05:07<synapt>paypal is generally fast as hell on things like that
05:07<Peng_>synapt: My "reference" is not hearing anything.
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05:09<Oli>Peng_: No, no disposable numbers.
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05:20<Oli>It's not a credit card company either, in fairness, it's a debit card linked to my main account. Somebody steals that number and manages to put charges through on it and I'm broke. Protection for debit cards is nowhere near the same as for credit cards either. Might go some distance to explain why I'm so reluctant. Anyway, just started a support ticket to enquire about one-off payments (without storing my card details) or a bank transfer.
05:20<Peng_>I'm pretty sure Linode is more flexible for large one-off payments. Cheques and/or transfers.
05:20<Peng_>"large" == annual
05:21<Oli>Yeah I'd be happy doing that. I'm happy with the hosting. Have been for five years. I'm just unhappy with a hosting company being responsible for the key to my finances.
05:22<Peng_>They're hardly hte only such company.
05:23<Oli>Amazon and Paypal were the only other two companies that need my number on a on-demand basis. Having just changed numbers, I was pleasently surprised how little this was. Everything else is Direct Debit or standing order.
05:24<Oli>And yes, I trust Amazon and Paypal's ability to protect themselves against hacks more than Linode. I don't think that's unfair.
05:26<Oli>"We have no way of charging your card without making it the default method of payment for your account. We do not accept bank transfers, only credit or debit card payments" Bummer.
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06:07<colourbleu33_>hi if i want to check for network speed issues between me and my linode whats the best way
06:08<colourbleu33_>I've one linode that seems to be running fast in htop but in practice its sluggish when its connecting to that site
06:09<colourbleu33_>other linodes /sites are fine
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06:11<Peng_>mtr? Download a file?
06:12<Peng_>Though if your other, working Linodes are in the same data center, it's almost certainly not a network issue.
06:14<kyhwana_>colourbleu33_: what kind of IO's is that linode doing? hows the RAM usage?
06:14<Peng_>How's the CPU usage? High steal %?
06:14<colourbleu33_>juct checking
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06:15<colourbleu33_>its a ig ram, 346 used,
06:16<colourbleu33_>Load average: 1.34 1.09 0.61 but thats right now, most ly its .5
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06:18<colourbleu33_>interesting, its not the network, I've placed a blank html page on there and its fast as shit, the database is on another linode, that linode is running fast too. but they seem to be talking together slowly
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06:20<Oli>I've no idea how busy your sites are but that load seems horrible. Even at 0.5.
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06:21<colourbleu33_>.10 not
06:22<Oli>Have you done network tests between the linodes?
06:22<Oli>iperf is pretty handy for throughput and ping for latency
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06:24<Peng_>My load average is 2 right now and nothing's wrong. I'm just running several CPU=intensive things.
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06:29<synapt>my load average is 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
06:29*synapt really should find a use for that linode
06:30<synapt>I know, bitcoin mining
06:30*synapt flees
06:32<Nightmare>let's all mine bitcoins on our linodes
06:32<Oli>0.00, 0.01, 0.05 is exactly my load too - and it's hosting a dozen pretty busy Django sites (and their databases).
06:32<synapt>well we DID get those extra CPU core's...
06:34<kyhwana_>load average: 0.46, 0.42, 0.36 and load average: 0.01, 0.13, 0.32 for my two linodes
06:34<Peng_>There's a weird bug/feature that causes the minimum load average to be "0.00 0.01 0.05"
06:35<linbot>New news from forum: Input Sought on Email Solutions in General Discussion <>
06:37<chesty>apparently fact is stranger than fiction, i did not know that Peng_
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06:39<ssnikolay>Mens. how long continue pending sign up?
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06:40<purrdeta>Google translate
06:40<ssnikolay>Thank you for completing your signup! Your account is currently being reviewed. You'll receive an email from us in just a few minutes, so hang tight!
06:41<KamiNuvini>Oh dear
06:41<Peng_>ssnikolay: A few minutes?
06:41<Peng_>KamiNuvini: :>
06:41<Peng_>KamiNuvini: Presumably Linode's disabled that stuff by now.
06:42<kyhwana_>ssnikolay: wait several minutes/up to an hour
06:42<KamiNuvini>Hopefully, Peng_ :-)
06:44<KamiNuvini> looks like it :)
06:44<ssnikolay>why i have a message "Payment Receipt",but my account is still pending :(
06:45<ssnikolay>is this normal?
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06:45<synapt>tbh can't recall how long my original linode signup took
06:45<linbot>New news from forum: Can't install mysql-server after upgrade to debian wheezy in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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06:46<KamiNuvini>ssnikolay: I'm not sure if this is the case for you, but from what I recall must registrations are automated / pretty instant. But if something is (potentially) / off - they'll do a manual check and confirm the account
06:46<KamiNuvini>And it looks like yours has to be reviewed by a staff member
06:46<synapt>tripped a fraud check perhaps
06:49<ssnikolay>maybe because i'm from Russia :o
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06:52<TeddyR>I do not speak for Linode... but blame the spam and dump crowd... I know that many VPS and other providers are weary of new accounts from .ru
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07:00<ssnikolay>if the registration would have been clearer, I would not come here
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07:03<KamiNuvini>We don't work for Linode, so nothing we can do about the form. The signup mentioned it's in the queue for review, so I'm sure you'll receive a message soon :)
07:04<chesty>who are you talking to?
07:04<KamiNuvini>oh, he left
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07:11<Peng_>Wouldn't any *smart* RU criminal use a US VPN...?
07:11<Peng_>Or maybe they sign up for Linode to use *it* as their US VPN.
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07:12<@qmr>synapt: PM me your username?
07:12<synapt>For? o_O
07:12*synapt thinks you meant ssniko perhaps?
07:12<synapt>but he poofed
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08:06<@qmr>That's me!
08:07<Turl>hm, linode cancelled my maintenance
08:07<cloudster>yeah what's up with that?
08:07<cloudster>they've been bombing us with notifications through ticket and then nothing :)
08:08<Nightmare>they suddenly decided to throw a rave party; thus they did not have time to do maintenance on your host
08:09<cloudster>or simply to get drunk. If so, I wanna work there.
08:10<chesty>cloudster: how good are you with security?
08:11<Turl>I heard he gets robbed every other week
08:11<chesty>then he'd be a perfect fit
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08:12<Nightmare>they got drunk while having the rave party
08:12<cloudster>in security issues I'm something like this:
08:12<Nightmare>it also involved several possibly not legal drugs
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08:15<chesty>meth is illegal in all states
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08:17<Peng_>Not cloud meth.
08:18*lakridserne die when he hear the word cloud
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08:23<Nightmare>tasty lsd
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08:30<Peng_>better than butt meth, anyway
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08:34<Navi>Peng_: That's meth of the 'ane' variety.
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08:46<mentalstring>hello. is anyone having trouble compile packages using gentoo after migrating to the new NextGen nodes hardware? i would love to exchange some thoughts on what are the appropriate CFLAGS as I can't get anything to work consistently
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08:52<mentalstring>anyone using gentoo with linode?
08:52<ratrace>mentalstring: it's been ages since I used Gentoo, but why don't you use march=native?
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08:53<mentalstring>ratrace: i was with no problems, but after i migrate my box to the new hardware, packages started to fail to build or to behave oddly when used. i've retried rebuilding @world, but now even with very sane CFLAGS I can't get a full rebuild
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08:57<eagles051387>hi LL :)
08:57<eagles051387>hi all
08:57<ratrace>mentalstring: what kind of build errors do you get?
08:58<mentalstring>ratrace: usually on the unpack/preparation phase, ranging from libtoolize errors, to tar (i've recompiled both, but no luck)
08:59<@qmr>mentalstring: we mask the AVX instruction.
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09:00<@qmr>You can use march=native, but you will also need to specify -mno-avx
09:00<linbot>New news from forum: Linode Managed beta in Current Betas <>
09:00<@qmr>The real solution here though is to deploy Debian :)
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09:03<mentalstring>@qmr: ah, noted. I'll try adding -mno-avx to see if that gets a full rebuild, many thanks!
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09:08<Peng_>Why do you mask AVX, anyway?
09:10<Nightmare>deploy gentoo
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09:33<Navi>Ah, irssi, how I sort of love thee.
09:34<pronto>irssi <3
09:34<Navi>pronto: It takes some tweaking and alternate scripts to make properly fun.
09:35<pronto>Navi: :D
09:35<pronto>which i have o_o
09:39<cfedde>I too love irssi. Just not very much
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09:41<Navi>Damn, need to reload it.
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09:41<Navi>Okay, maybe that will work nicer.
09:41<Navi>Just some teething issues with a new script.
09:42<Navi>Eh, it works provided I don't sent stupid input into it. Fine by me.
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09:47<pronto>Navi: irssi!
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09:48<Nightmare>omg a whois!!1
09:49<Nightmare>who could that possibly be
09:49<pronto>Nightmare: you o_o
09:49<pronto>i stalk.
09:50<Nightmare>odd, idt my idle time was three seconds at that time
09:51<Navi>I also enjoy being able to identify by cert!
09:51<Nightmare>ew irssi
09:53<Peng_>Nightmare: What do you prefer?
09:53<pronto>i like how my coworkers make fun of me for having a 20+char password
09:55<Nightmare>I didn't rly mind weechat when I tried it out, though
09:55<Peng_>I've never tried weechat. Been a long time since I used X-Chat, but it was nice.
09:55<Navi>pronto: I really must generate a tens of thousands of bits cert to identify with.
09:55<pronto>Navi: o.o?
09:56<Navi>pronto: If they have a problem with 20 character passwords.
09:56<Navi>pronto: Then having a 15,000 bit cert for CertFP.
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09:57<pronto>man, i fucking love ssh tunnels
09:59<Navi>I wonder if CertFP would be OK with things of 2^14 and longer...
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10:00<Peng_>Navi: As of a couple months ago, 2048 was the largest that worked.
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10:00<Navi>Peng_: Huh, weird. I know FreeNode claims to support 4096.
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10:09<Navi>Let's see if my newest tinyurling script works.
10:09<Navi>Oh, wonderful.
10:09<Navi>I appreciate irssi all the more now.
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10:20<eagles051387>how is everyone
10:20<eagles051387>very quiet in here
10:21*Peng_ dances...quietly
10:21<eagles051387>pronto: you aren't alone on loving ssh tunnels i was using one to my node to by pass my schools content filter haha
10:21<eagles051387>hey Peng how are you
10:21<pronto>eagles051387: :D
10:21<pronto>eagles051387: lazy-mans vpn
10:21<eagles051387>hell don't even need a vpn tunnel
10:21<eagles051387>i was using it to listen to spottily
10:21*eagles051387 does happy dance
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10:27<Navi>I use a real VPN at Uni.
10:27<Navi>For some reason, they only seem to traffic-shape port 80.
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10:30<eagles051387>I'm actually thinking of offering vpn tunnels at very low cost to potential clients
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10:31<eagles051387>my question is though would they need to be in a certain geographic location where the client is closest to
10:31<eagles051387>or can i keep the tunnels in my nodes in the uk dc
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10:32<trippeh>eagles051387: It doesnt matter if they only visit sites in UK ;)
10:32<eagles051387>trippeh: and if they dont
10:33<Navi>Well, really you're trying to minimise the path from them to the vpn to the site. If they're in Australia, trying to access sites in Australia, it's rather a long way.
10:33<Navi>(to have to ricochet off a server in London first)
10:33<eagles051387>so i would need a linode in an asian dc and one in a us dc
10:34<Navi>It depends, are all the people you're offering the VPN to in the UK?
10:34<Navi>The VPN should either be very close to the user or very close to the sites they're trying to access.
10:35<eagles051387>right now I'm not offering anything vpn wise
10:35<eagles051387>as i am in the middle of exams in my last year of uni and just planning on what stuff to offer through my business after ri finish
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10:35<Navi>eagles051387: And you're aware of any possible legal complications about what could be done through the VPN, I assume.
10:36<eagles051387>Navi: ?
10:36<eagles051387>clarify please
10:36<KyleXY>Nothing stopping people from using your VPN for evil
10:37<Navi>eagles051387: If a client uses the VPN to do (illegal thing goes here), then the IP that will be shown as accessing that site will be the linode's, not theirs.
10:37<KyleXY>hope you have the time to deal with DMCA and whatnot..
10:37<eagles051387>time to rethink that idea
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10:37<eagles051387>ok i get the point i might setup vpn for a professor i used to have
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10:37<KyleXY>point still stays
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10:39<Navi>Well, if it's a person that is considered trustworthy, then that's relatively safe.
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10:41<Navi>Besides, there are some things you can do to alleviate some of the risk, I suppose. Add a second IP, bind all VPN traffic out through that, prove that it came from a given user of yours.
10:41<eagles051387>Navi: yes he is he really helped me get started with linux back in 2005
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10:42<Navi>IPv6 would be great for VPNs. Actually being able to assign each user a unique IP per session. That way if you were forced by your country to keep logs, just look up what user ever had that IP.
10:42<Navi>No fiddly things about finding who had it at a given time, because the sheer number in a /64 means it would never get issued twice.
10:43<Navi>Maybe dynamically bringing up so many IPs would be hell, though.
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10:45<Peng_>Last time I tried it, Linux crashed at a few thousand IPs.
10:45<Peng_>Like, kernel panic.
10:45<eagles051387>Peng: O_o what distro
10:45<Navi>Peng_: Is there a manner for dynamically loading and unloading to remain beneath that 1000?
10:45<Navi>Peng_: For non-contiguous blocks.
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10:46<ryan|znc_>do you support illumos or freebsd?
10:47<Peng_>eagles051387: I don't know. It was on a Linode. Probably Ubuntu or Debian.
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10:47<eagles051387>humm interesting but which ubuntu lts
10:47<Peng_>eagles051387: 8.04 or 10.04, or Debian 6.
10:47<Peng_>Maybe Debian 5. I don't know.
10:47<Peng_>eagles051387: The kernel is probably more relevant.
10:48<tubaguy50035>Few thousand IPs should be enough for one box lol
10:48<eagles051387>interesting indeed
10:48<Peng_>ryan|znc_: Theoretically, you can upload any Xen paravirtualized OS. Last I heard, FreeBSD is really unstable. You can boot it and play around, but that's about it. I don't know about illumos.
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10:51<@heckman>Peng_: I've heard 9.0 made some strides in PvOps support.
10:51<@qmr>later FreeBSDs are moar better. NetBSD works too
10:52<Navi>ryan|znc_: Listen to the wise sages, not to the master of deceit. (Peng_)
10:53*Navi goes off to read up on Illumos, though.
10:53<Navi>Oh! OpenSolaris.
10:54<Peng_>I know 9 made progress, but I thought I'd heard that it still sucked.
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10:54<Peng_>"sucked" == "wasn't production-ready"
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10:55<Navi>Peng_: Since when did a linode have to run something production ready?
10:55*Navi goes off to upgrade to sid.
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10:55<lakridserne>Hello guys and girls
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11:02<lakridserne>!library custom
11:02<linbot>lakridserne: 1. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances - | 2. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Automate Deployment with StackScripts -
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11:07<linbot>New news from forum: Generating cool 3D math surface rotations with a Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
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11:14<erent>wow, I just got 23" LED IPS monitor
11:14<erent>I can split weechat's screen into 4
11:14<erent>that's awesome
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11:17<eagles051387>lakridserne: what are you breaking
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11:21*Tushar slaps alexf around a bit with a large fishbot
11:23<linbot>New news from forum: Generating cool 3D math surface rotations with a Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
11:23*alexf ignores Tushar, since one cannot feel the sting of a digital fish-slap
11:23<Tushar>We have Linode server, now the issuse is we have configured tomcat
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11:26<Tushar>We have some issue with server
11:26<Tushar>Can you please help us regarding the server ?
11:27<Nightmare>what issue
11:28<Tushar>We have configured tomcat server with centos on Linode & now we are not able to browse our site .. when we telnet the IP with port ? its not getting connected
11:29<Tushar>Also we have checked with nmap command. still issue is same
11:29<dwfreed>you should make sure tomcat is running
11:29<Tushar>yes Tomcat is running
11:29<Nightmare>is tomcat actually listening? do you have a firewall of some sort?
11:31<Tushar>Yes , we have configured iptables , webmin is working , postgresql is working
11:31<Tushar>But tomcat is not working, we have applied the redirect rule in firewall.. its redirecting from 8080 to 80
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11:32<Tushar>Tomcat service is running , even we had restart the server , but issue is same
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11:35<Tushar>Is anybody there ?
11:35<Q3Man>tushar: is the tomcat server listening locally?
11:36<Q3Man>can you load the page from the server itself?
11:36<Tushar>how do I check ?
11:36<Q3Man>what port is tomcat listening on? 8080?
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11:37<Q3Man>from the console, do the following: curl http://localhost:8080
11:37<Tushar>from SSH ?
11:37<Q3Man>yes, from ssh
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11:38<linbot>New news from forum: Generating cool 3D math surface rotations with a Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
11:39<Tushar>its showing
11:39<phyber>> its redirecting from 8080 to 80
11:39<phyber>surely you want to redirect port 80 to 8080, if you expect people to connect?
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11:40<Tushar>its from 8080 to 80
11:41<Q3Man>Tushar: now try and hit it locally on your public IP. from the ssh console type in: curl
11:41<Q3Man>and replace with your public ip address
11:42<Tushar>HI.. Q3man .. its giving same
11:42<Tushar>by using public IP address
11:42<Q3Man>ok, now from a web browser enter (replace with your ip) and see what you get
11:44<Tushar>Its shown The connection has timed out
11:44<Q3Man>ok, it sounds like you have a firewall configured to block port 80 from the outside world
11:45<Tushar>Now what to do ?
11:45<Q3Man>what OS are you running on your linode?
11:45<Tushar>Cent OS 6
11:46<Q3Man>Unfortunately, I don't know enough about redhat/centos to help you further.
11:46<Tushar>Can you please tell me ? what do you know ?
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11:47<erent>maybe you can read some firewall documents?
11:47<Q3Man>I'd start by googling centos firewall configuration
11:48<lakridserne>eagles051387: I'm just trying to enable IP Virtual Server in the CentOS kernel
11:48<Tushar>We have read & Should I delete the rule & then check ?
11:48<eagles051387>lakridserne: and that does?
11:49<lakridserne>eagles051387: It should make it possible for me to load balance over IPv6
11:49<Tushar>I am not getting
11:49<lakridserne>Aka use an IPv6 address for internal communcation between Linodes
11:51<lakridserne>Tushar: What firewall rules do you have, and what port is tomcat configured on?
11:51<eagles051387>bleh tomcat :(
11:51<eagles051387>and java based web programming
11:52<Tushar>Tomcat is linstened on 8080 & we have redirect to 80
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11:54<linbot>New news from forum: Generating cool 3D math surface rotations with a Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
11:54<Tushar>Or Linode have any other hardware firewall .. to open a port from their end
11:55<lakridserne>Tushar: Linode does not limit any traffic except for in Atlanta
11:55<Tushar>Then what would be the issue ?
11:56<eagles051387>Tushar: your configuration or ur firewall on the linode
11:56<@heckman>lakridserne: we don't limit any traffic at all.
11:56<@heckman>Our upstream provider in Atlanta does some port filtering above us (i.e., outside of our control)
11:56<eagles051387>hey heckman
11:57<Tushar>Hello eagles051387...
11:57<Tushar>Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) target prot opt source destination ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED ACCEPT icmp -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt:postgres state NEW ACCEPT tcp -- anywhere anywhere tcp dpt
11:57<lakridserne>heckman: well, that was what I was referring it
11:57<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
11:57<lakridserne>!to Tushar p
11:57<linbot>Tushar: Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
11:58<@heckman>Tushar: please please PLEASE use a pastebin.
11:58<@akerl>Pastebins are for nerds
11:58<@heckman>I don't care which one, so long as it doesn't involve my IRC window becoming insane.
11:58<@heckman>akerl: tym gists
11:58<lakridserne>akerl: I'm a nerd, and I'm proud of it
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11:59<Tushar>I don't have login details for Linode.. Our client have details
11:59<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
12:00<@heckman>Tushar: login for what?
12:00<@heckman>If you're talking about the pastebin, read the box...
12:00<Tushar>for paste
12:00<@heckman>Read the box
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12:00<eagles051387>and Tushar thats not very secure either
12:00<lakridserne>Tushar: the login box there says to type no as username and spam as pass
12:00<eagles051387>Tushar: iptables should block everything and only accept traffic on certain ports
12:01<@akerl>eagles051387: lulz
12:01<@heckman>lakridserne: give a man a fish, he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, he eats forever.
12:01<@heckman>eagles051387: also, please get out.
12:01<@akerl>Give a man a right hook, he won't bother you any more
12:01<lakridserne>heckman: yeah...
12:01<dwfreed>eagles051387: that's not security
12:02<eagles051387>heckman: ok :( i can tell when I'm not wanted
12:02<@heckman>Firewalls have a purpose.
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12:03<Tushar>Tell me what to do ? am very frustrating
12:03<@heckman>What's your issue?
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12:04<chesty>listen to dwfreed, we works for linode, he knows all about security
12:04<Tushar>I am not able to browse the website
12:05<@akerl>What website?
12:05<Tushar>I have one linode server & we have host the java site on the server by using tomcat server
12:06<lakridserne>Tushar: Please give us the domain, and post the firewall rules in pastebin...
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12:08<ghosticus>come back lakridserne
12:09<eagles051387>ghosticus: want i bring him back for you cuz i can bug him on gtalk:p
12:10<linbot>New news from forum: Kerrighed? in General Discussion <>
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12:12<lakridserne>ghosticus: what now?
12:14<eagles051387>lakridserne: he was missing you
12:15*lakridserne gets pictures in his head he'd rather not have
12:18*lakridserne hates people who format their email in weird ways, and where it seems they can't spell, and have had no grammar lessons at all
12:18<ghosticus>what u talk about
12:20<erent>lakridserne: do people format their emails?
12:20*erent hates HTML mails
12:20<lakridserne>erent: some do
12:20<erent>e-mail should be padded to 72
12:20<erent>and it should be only text
12:22<lakridserne>erent: agreed
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12:27<erent>nah, I'm stuck in ubuntu 12.04 on my laptop
12:27<erent>the volumes /boot and /home are encrypted
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12:27<erent>I'm not sure if the alternate cd of 13.04 allows me to specify present encrypted volumes
12:28<erent>I know un-encrypted volumes can be specified, not sure about encrypted ones. I currently don't have enough space to backup my data. I'm stuck :)
12:28*lakridserne loves backup along with encryption - especially TrueCrypt
12:29<lakridserne>erent: You need more space so you can store your backupz of your dataz
12:29<erent>lakridserne: yup
12:29<erent>I'm thiking of buying external hdd
12:30<erent>probably 2x500GB, will do software raid
12:30<erent>raid 1, more specifically
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12:34<lakridserne>erent: Only thinking of?!?
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12:40<lakridserne>What is everyone up to?
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12:40<tubaguy50035>Installing updates on a new Windows VM
12:40<tubaguy50035>wishing it was anything Linux
12:41<Q3Man>trying to pick a good mothers day present. Should I go with the margaritaville or food dehydrator?
12:41<lakridserne>tubaguy50035: bleh, Windows...
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12:42<tubaguy50035>lakridserne: yeah, it's on Windows Azure. Which is pretty and all, but so damn slow. Took probably 10 minutes to provision. Guess I've gotten used to Linode speeds.
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12:44<lakridserne>tubaguy50035: I also kinda feel like I've gotten used to Linode speeds - both as a provider and as a customer. People have seen me complaining about companies not answering as fast as Linode, and when people write to me, I typically answer in minutes
12:44<lakridserne>tubaguy50035: And I'm proud when I answer the same minute the email come in
12:47<lakridserne>Q3Man: You can use your Linode to pick one - write a script that does some really complicated calculations, throw in some randomness, and then you can get either a 1 or 0
12:47<KamiNuvini>Our ticket system is flawed. It actually takes about 10 minutes for a ticket to show up in the system
12:47<KamiNuvini>Can't even respond quickly when I want to
12:47<lakridserne>KamiNuvini: Use another ticket system that's not flawed!
12:48<puppet>bob2: thanks for the tip with duplicity :) works perfect
12:48<lakridserne>KamiNuvini: I use WHMCS personally, and love it
12:48<KamiNuvini>Heh if I made those decisions. Though I believe there are ideas going around for switching things around but that takes a loong time
12:49<KamiNuvini>We get tickets through WeFact
12:49<lakridserne>KamiNuvini: I take it, you're working for a large organization?
12:49<KamiNuvini>Nah really small, entire company is about 6 people
12:50<lakridserne>KamiNuvini: ah okay
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12:53<lakridserne>Anyone who feel like helping out a fellow Linodean enabling IP Virtual Server ( on a Linode CentOS 6.2 64-bit kernel using pv-grub?
12:54<lakridserne>I tried using this guide:
12:54<lakridserne>But it seems like it's just made for enabling SELinux
12:54<KamiNuvini>We use this: - it worked okay for some time but there's definitely some downsides. Se there are thoughts to switching to something better but that'll be a complete switch for backends and such, so it takes a while. WHMCS looks neat though, will look into it to see if we can use it :)
12:56<lakridserne>KamiNuvini: It is. It's neat to be able to just pull up the entire client history, see and manage products, and everything, and it just works out of the box. Bugs are pretty rare, and usually, it's just a configuration error, though the support staff nearly always have an answer immediately
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13:18<yardena>anyone else think this graphic is kind of misleading...
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13:19<yardena> should be in the same zone as
13:20<@heckman>No it shouldn't.
13:20<@heckman>If you need * it needs to be its own zone.
13:20<yardena>ooh i see
13:21<yardena>that makes sense, thanks :)
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14:04<gadams>Whose running an XMPP server from their linode?
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14:05*Nivex raises hand
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14:05<gadams>Nivex: Ejabbered, prosody, openfire ?
14:05<Nivex>right now I'm running ejabberd. I've been keeping an eye on prosody but it's IPv6 support isn't ready yet.
14:06<gadams>If ipv6 was ready you'd switch to prosody?
14:06<Nivex>yeah. smaller memory footprint and I don't necessarily need all the advanced features of ejabberd
14:07<erent>isn't ejabberd more suitable for high-load xmpp services?
14:07<erent>given the high concurrency of Erlang
14:07<dwfreed>Nivex: its* :P
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14:08<rnowak>ejabberd 2.x isn't a particularly good example of how to make things in erlang
14:08<Q3Man>I'm using prosody.. ejabberd had too many issues with breaking when updated.
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14:10<erent>the configuration file of prosody looks really simple
14:10*Nivex acks dwfreed's correction and passes it up the stack to gadams s/Whose/Who's/
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14:11<mike1_>How do i disable ssl on one of my non ssl virtualhost ?
14:11<mike1_>I do have many domains but just few with ssl
14:12<mike1_>Now when i try to load https version of domain without certificate apache shows wrong website (one with ssl)
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14:13*erent references for Nivex and dwfreed
14:13<rnowak>the short answer is basically: you can't, there are a few longer answers but they aren't pretty
14:17<mike1_>Is there any workaround for this? I know i could get another ip and set ssl domain on it ?
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14:17<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
14:17<erent>Nivex: gadams: is there any open source project that is like facebook-chat that uses XMPP?
14:17<erent>I failed to find one
14:18<mike1_>erent: use node.js
14:18<gadams>I have no idea, I'm setting up a XMPP server because the lawlyers at work flipped a shit so hard we all got a raise in diamonds when they found out people were using their personal GTalk accounts for work
14:18<rnowak>hurr durr
14:19<erent>mike1_: the boring and hard part is Javascript/HTML
14:19<erent>which I don't like much
14:19<erent>gadams: oh, bad :/
14:19<Nivex>I've heard of this one but not tried it:
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14:20<rnowak>"Candy is built with JavaScript using long poll AJAX requests to emulate bidirectional-streams"
14:20<rnowak>yeaaaaah no
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14:22<erent>rnowak: at least it works
14:22<rnowak>and there you have the problem with the majority of the shit out there
14:22<Nivex>Not everything has to be in the web browser
14:22<erent>I'm not sure if it can be integrated like gmail/fb, but the seperate tab would fix the problem
14:22<gparent>erent: IE6 worked too.
14:22<gparent>It was still crap.
14:22<erent>wow, IE6?
14:22<gparent>Just good crap.
14:23<Nivex>IPv4 still works... mostly.
14:23<ratrace>They mostly come out at night.... mostly.
14:23<Alan>IPv4 hasn't worked ages
14:23<Nivex>"Yo dawg, I heard you like NAT..." :)
14:24<Alan>not since the vast majority of IPv4-connected networks were using NAT
14:24<ratrace>CGNAT is the future
14:24<@heckman>!library kernel
14:24<linbot>heckman: 1. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances -
14:24<erent>maybe I can use the existing user table in MySQL to authenticate users to XMPP server
14:24<erent>auto-login them when they visit the chat page
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14:25*heckman shrugs
14:26<@heckman>!library kernel
14:26<linbot>heckman: 1. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances -
14:26*heckman taps fingers
14:27<dwfreed>you know you can PM linbot
14:27<@heckman>cool story, bro
14:28<rnowak>someone seriously has a deathwish
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14:30<gadams>Do you use a mechanical keyboard at work?
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14:31<@heckman>Okay, now it should work
14:31<@heckman>!library kernel
14:31<linbot>heckman: 1. Run a Custom Compiled Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 2. Run a Distribution-Supplied Kernel with PV-GRUB - | 3. Run Custom Kernels and Distribution Templates on Linode Instances -
14:31<@heckman>hot damn
14:31<gparent>gadams: yes.
14:31*heckman marks that off his list
14:31<gparent>best decision ever.
14:31<gadams>chery blues?
14:32<@heckman>gparent: your coworkers must love you
14:32<gparent>heckman: I did an o-ring mod
14:32<binaryatrocity>are the way to go
14:32<gadams>I use blues
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14:35<jchen>i have a cooler master quickfire with cherry blues for typing, <3 it very much
14:35<jchen>and i have a trigger with cherry reds for gaming, it's pretty sweet
14:35<gparent>I used a Das Keyboard for a while but I had RSI and other problems so I decided to get rid of the numpad to save on hand movement from my keyboard to my mouse
14:36<gparent>So I bought a Filco Tenkeyless
14:36<gparent>Actually i have two das keyboards for sale if anyone wants them
14:36<gparent>One for work, one for home
14:36<jchen><3 tkl
14:37<rnowak>hand movement? from keyboard to mouse? who uses mice?!?!
14:37<jchen>vim all day
14:37<staticsafe>FPS games
14:37<jchen> made their "latest stable" into a big yellow... unclickable button
14:38<gparent>rnowak: sadly I have to do real work :( I tried formatting every computer but my employer didn't like it.
14:38<rnowak>how often do you find yourself moving your hand from the mouse to the keyboard other than when you want to call people assholes or faggots or whatever it is you call people that kill you?
14:38<gparent>jchen: aha it's unclickable?
14:38<gparent>I had noticed the thing but didn't try clicking it
14:38<jchen>the text is, the button isn't
14:38<ratrace>works for me
14:38<rnowak>gparent: are you implying "real work" requires the use of a mouse?
14:38<gparent>rnowak: it leads to more interesting teabag teachniques
14:38<jchen>so its a button that isn't a button
14:39<gparent>I can if it makes you rage.
14:39<gparent>Maybe Cisco has linux boxes, who knows.
14:39<gparent>Would be nice
14:40<jchen>rnowak: thats why you get a mic :P
14:40<jchen>also why you dont play pubs
14:41<rnowak>I've got voice chat muted in games
14:41<@qmr>Cisco is 100% Vyatta internally
14:41<rnowak>as if I could be bothered listening to retards shouting
14:41<gparent>qmr: ehe
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14:41<jchen>i dont play pubs unless i can mute *
14:41<gparent>I might end up doing some R&D which would be nice
14:42<gparent>Although working under NDA kinda sucks because you just have a handful of people you can share that passion with
14:42<rnowak>what industry/field?
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14:42<gparent>Cisco systems
14:43<ghosticus>gparent: wasn't your phone screen today?
14:43<gparent>went very well
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14:44<gparent>They asked me if I felt overqualified, because they have other openings available
14:44<zirpu>i'm having trouble reaching my linode in atlanta. is there a current problem there?
14:44<rnowak>doubt that would have been the case (:
14:44<zirpu>i was able to reboot it via the management interface, but still can't ping it.
14:45<@akerl>zirpu: What's the IP?
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14:45<gparent>rnowak: I'm not good at telling if you troll me or not, but yes, it would've been the case for a lot of the tasks.
14:45<gparent>But it's still more interesting work than what I do now
14:45<@akerl>64 bytes from icmp_seq=0 ttl=49 time=33.132 ms
14:45<gparent>So I'll just get promoted faster if I really am
14:45<@akerl>zirpu: Responds just fine for me
14:45<zirpu>hm. weird routing issue.
14:46<zirpu>traceroute gets to but then stops for me.
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14:46<@akerl>zirpu: What does the return MTR from your Linode back to you look like?
14:47<zirpu>i'm getting nothing back. not sure what mtr is.
14:47<zirpu>mtr the tool?
14:48<zirpu>I see 100% loss at a hop between and
14:49<zirpu>after router1-atl there's nothing.
14:49<gparent>rnowak: It's a lab engineer job. Trivial work really.
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14:49<gparent>Point is to move on from there.
14:49<rnowak>gparent: nod
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14:49<gparent>Plus, it's been a while since I've actually done PoCs and interesting stuff, I'm looking forward to having equipment to play with rather than look at.
14:49<gparent>I don't wanna stall here :/
14:50<zirpu>i don't want to ever do h/w again. nor networking nor dba. :-) let someone else do that.
14:50<ghosticus>let gparent do it!
14:51<gparent>Yeah let me do it, I need the practice :)
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14:52<zirpu>still looks weird the routing gap between and though. starting to see lossage at router1-atl now.
14:53<zirpu>looks like it was a transient.
14:54<zirpu>hm. back to 1.4% loss for
14:54<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
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14:54<jchen>1.4% is negligible
14:55<jchen>are you seeing packet loss at your linode?
14:55<zirpu>well, i can't reach it so i don't know. someone else was able to ping it. maybe i'll starting an ec2 instance and see if i can ssh in from there.
14:56<retro|blah>well. can you lish into it
14:56<jchen>zirpu: log into LISH and see if you can mtr from your linode-> you
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14:56<retro|blah>!to zirpu lish
14:56<linbot>zirpu: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
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14:56<zirpu>oh right.
14:58<zirpu>stops at
14:58<zirpu>only the 3rd hop.
14:58<jchen>can u pastebin mtr -rw
14:59<jchen>also check iptables, etc
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15:00<linbot>New news from wiki: User:RobinKtu <> || User:RobinKtu <> || Index.php <> || User:ArthurKbb <> || User:ArthurKbb <>
15:00<zirpu>no iptables, just ssh.
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15:00<zirpu>oh wait. there's ufw. but still i haven't changed that in months.
15:01*lakridserne returns to the computer from the food table
15:02*gparent steals the rest of the food
15:02<zirpu>i can ping yahoo and google from the linode. weird.
15:02<lakridserne>gparent: Sorry, we ate it all
15:03<Navi>linbot's new wiki news looks... ew.
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15:04<Navi><name><3 initials>
15:04<Navi>Both with links to what look to be fake sites.
15:05<linbot>New news from wiki: User:JanetBert <> || User:JanetBert <> || User:AleishaWi <> || User:AleishaWi <>
15:05<Navi>And there's two more.
15:05<zirpu>and eggs.
15:05<Navi>Looks like the wiki's under attack from some kind of bot that's bypassed the no/spam.
15:05<gparent>"I really wish I'm useful at all"
15:05<gparent>Quite the description
15:05<Karrde>"Not much to tell about myself I think.<br>Finally a member of<br>I really wish I'm useful at all<br><br>Also visit my web page [http://sytr" rest cut off
15:05<gparent>I should've said that during my interview
15:05<@qmr>This is why we can't have nice things.
15:05<gparent>They would've taken me immediately
15:05<Navi>qmr: Burn the wiki to the ground.
15:06<Nivex>take off, nuke the site from orbit. it's the only way to be sure.
15:06<zirpu>put a whangdoodle in its place.
15:06<Navi>qmr: Fix iiiiiiiit.
15:06<Navi>qmr: What do I pay you for!?
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15:07<Navi>qmr: Look, I pay linode $20/mo. I deserve 10 hours of your time every single day. If I take my custom elsewhere, this whole BUSINESS will fold!
15:07<gparent>why does my headphone amp have problems at work when I need it the most!1!
15:10<linbot>New news from wiki: User:EarnestFu <> || User:EarnestFu <> || User:EttaFlagg <> || User:EttaFlagg <> || User:HarryRens <
15:10<linbot>Corey_: Yo mommas so fat, she could not fit into a TB of RAM. (760:4/5) [ommru]
15:10<linbot>ghosticus: Yo mommas so fat, when she wants to haul ass, she has to make two trips! (791:18/7) [mmour]
15:11<Corey_>o shit
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15:11<ghosticus>is the linode wiki under attack?
15:11<dwfreed>ghosticus: nope, just updates
15:11<Navi>ghosticus: Yes, it is.
15:11<Navi>dwfreed: Zero of those updates are from legitimate users.
15:11<gparent>think he was joking but it's hard to tell
15:11<dwfreed>Navi: updates to the box itself :P
15:12<gparent>ah okay
15:14<@heckman>ghosticus: upgrades
15:14<@heckman>Took the wiki down, brought it back.
15:15<linbot>New news from wiki: Index.php <> || User:LilianaWa <> || User:LilianaWa <> || User:Oj15267p70 <> || Index.php <>
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15:20<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <> || Kerrighed? in General Discussion <> || Generating cool 3D math surface rotations with a Linode in Customer Testimonials <> || Linode Managed beta in Current Betas
15:20<linbot>New news from wiki: User:LeesaFinn <> || User:LeesaFinn <> || User:NorbertoS <> || User:NorbertoS <> || Index.php <> || User:FloydArte <ht
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15:21<lakridserne>Seems I've figured pv-grub out!
15:21<lakridserne>gparent: thanks
15:21<gparent>guess ill ignore linbot for a while
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15:21<@heckman>Just did the forum, sorry
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15:21<lakridserne>heckman: I can see that
15:21<lakridserne>heckman: Last time it was WordPress
15:22*lakridserne hope I'm not screwing up my Linode
15:22<@heckman>Been busy
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15:25<linbot>New news from wiki: User:Maybelle1 <> || User:Maybelle1 <> || User:RLFCather <> || User:RLFCather <>
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15:25<Nivex>linbot: rss del wiki
15:27*lakridserne ignores linbot
15:28<@heckman>Should be clearing up.
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15:36<stdaro>I wish you supported passphrases for passwords
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15:37<gparent>DO definitely supports lower and upper casing in passwords.
15:37<stdaro>the complexity requirements keep you from using a natural language passphrase on your linode account
15:37<gparent>wrong channel
15:37<gparent>either way
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15:37<@akerl>Damn, gotta burn that one now
15:37<@akerl>Thanks, jchen
15:38<gparent>missing a s, but hey.
15:38<gparent>I live dangerouslky.
15:39<@heckman>stdaro: I use a natural language passphrase on mine, no issues.
15:39<jchen>oh shit
15:39<Nivex>correct horse battery staple
15:39<@heckman>hackers will never guess my improper use of a semicolon.
15:40<jchen>thats genious
15:40<@akerl>heckman: You say that like hackers know how to properly use a semicolon :P
15:40<@heckman>Then again, most people use them incorrectly.
15:40<@heckman>Heh, yeah
15:40<jchen>since everyone on the internet is a grammar nazi
15:40<stdaro>it doesnt count space as puncuation, so it requires you either have numbers or mixed case
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15:40<gparent>make sure your passphrase contains "effect", "affect", "alot", and "defenitly' and other variations.
15:40<gparent>You'll be good.
15:40<gparent>Pack dem mistakes.
15:40<@akerl>stdaro: I properly capitalize words in my natural communication, kthnx?
15:41<@heckman>^ same
15:42<@heckman>Also, I don't believe a space is considered punctuation.
15:47<Q3Man>I gave up trying to come up with passwords. pwgen and a password database ftw
15:47<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <> || Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
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15:47<gparent>yeah I just use KeePass
15:47<gparent>Made the move two years ago I think.
15:47<gparent>eh, bit more than that
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15:55<lakridserne>eh, I need a bit of help here
15:56<lakridserne>I tried making my own custom kernel using pv-grub
15:57<lakridserne>I restarted
15:57<lakridserne>and now, this from the lish console:
15:57<@akerl>If you want to see errors, you should probably stop suppressing errors
15:58<dzho>sage advice
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15:59<lakridserne>akerl: where do I change that?
15:59<lakridserne>Boot into normal kernel?
15:59<gparent>lakridserne: He means to remove quiet.
15:59<gparent>Ever so helpful advice in here.
15:59<Q3Man>a friend asked me why I have my pool thermometer at the bottom of my pool. I told him that if one wants to know the temperature of the water, one must go in the pool.
15:59*akerl touches his nose
16:00<Navi>I keep my pool thermometer in the middle of all of my IPv6s.
16:01<lakridserne>gparent: Thanks, I'll try that in a moment
16:01<gparent>No problem.
16:02<gparent>akerl: So that's what that means.
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16:09<lakridserne>I removed quiet, and now it just shows me grub. If I click enter to boot into the profile, nothing happens
16:09<@akerl>Nothing happens?
16:09<@akerl>Are you sure your keyboard is plugged in?
16:10<lakridserne>absolutely, it's the same keyboard I'm typing this on
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16:10<dwfreed>then something happened
16:10<@akerl>Do you have a rude keylogger?
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16:11<Navi>akerl: I have a polite one.
16:11<gparent>Mine randomly inserts fucking swear words when I type
16:11<Navi>akerl: Every so often it says "Terribly sorry!" then pops up Thunderbird and sends off all my passwords to china.
16:11<Navi>akerl: I'm OK with it because it's nice about it.
16:11<Navi>akerl: Especially since my bank statements are all "09 MAY - SORRY :C - £750.00DR"
16:12<jchen>check your printer
16:13<Navi>Why would I do that? My printer's incredibly rude.
16:13<Navi>Always yelling PC LOAD LETTER from its tiny screen.
16:14<@akerl>lakridserne: Something happens when you try to boot, even if that thing is "it doesn't boot"
16:15<Navi>akerl: It could jump to an infinite string of NOPs, you never know.
16:15<@akerl>As somebody who runs a stack of Linodes using pv-grub, I feel confident saying that's not what it's doing
16:16<Navi>akerl: I know. I was just trying to find one ounce of realism in 'it's doing nothing at all'.
16:18<ghosticus>mmm serverfruit
16:18<@akerl>Yea, that's GRUB all right
16:18<@akerl>Gonna pick your kernel?
16:18<ghosticus>is that the kind of fruit linbot eats?
16:18<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
16:18<lakridserne>akerl: I did hit enter, but when I do that, nothing happens
16:19<Navi>Hm... can linbot be coerced into saying things starting with /me?
16:19<@akerl>Something happens
16:19<ghosticus>linbot can do all
16:19<linbot>Yes, we can!
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16:19<Navi>lakridserne: So what would happen if you set it to auto run after n seconds? Would it get stuck at 0, or jump back to n?
16:20<Navi>Is it falling back into GRUB, or never leaving GRUB?
16:20<lakridserne>akerl: That something isn't visible to me
16:20<lakridserne>Navi: It's never leaving grub
16:20<@akerl>lakridserne: And you've tried hitting enter again?
16:20<lakridserne>akerl: Yes
16:21<Navi>lakridserne: And 'e' and 'c' are still responsive, even now?
16:21<lakridserne>Navi: yes
16:21<@akerl>What does your config look like?
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16:24<@akerl>and /boot/vmlinuz-3.9.1 exists?
16:24<lakridserne>akerl: yes
16:25<@akerl>And you've confirmed that's actually the config in GRUB?
16:28<linbot>New news from forum: Upgrade Ubuntu 10.04 (32 bits) to 12.04 (64 bits) in General Discussion <>
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16:30<lakridserne>akerl: How would I verify that?
16:30<@akerl>By hitting the "e" key like you said you did above?
16:32<lakridserne>akerl: that shows root (hd0)
16:33<@akerl>and the "kernel ..." line?
16:33<lakridserne>akerl: isn't there
16:33<@akerl>Well now
16:33<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <>
16:33<lakridserne>akerl: add it using o?
16:34<@akerl>Or fix your config file
16:36<lakridserne>How would I ensure it did list it, when it is correct in /boot/grub/menu.lst?
16:37<lakridserne>You can't say yes to that
16:37<@akerl>Why not?
16:37<lakridserne>I asked how
16:37<@akerl>When it is correct in /boot/grub/menu.lst, you have ensured it will list it
16:38<gparent>Honestly you do that 'yes' thing so often I got confused too.
16:38<Navi>akerl: I think the wording is such that you should replace 'when' in the original question with 'given'.
16:38<@akerl>Navi: If you did that, the sentence would be false, and I would have answered "No"
16:38<gparent>Navi: he read it as "how would i .... Answer: when it is correct in.. "
16:38<Navi>gparent: I knoow.
16:39<Navi>gparent: I'm saying what it seems like the real variant of the question that cannot have a yes/no answer is.
16:39<@akerl>Navi: No
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16:40<lakridserne>well, it is correct in /boot/grub/menu.lst
16:41<@akerl>No it's not
16:41<lakridserne>akerl: It's that file you see here
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16:48<staticsafe>Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) Desktop End of Life reached on May 9, 2013
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16:49<Navi>staticsafe: Ubuntu 10.04 Server EOL is 2015.
16:50<Navi>staticsafe: But yes, Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop and Ubuntu 8.04 Server both EOL on May 9.
16:50<staticsafe>yes, just got the e-mails
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16:53<@heckman>Non LTS releases only have 9 months of support now, btw.
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16:54<jchen>sup with this newfangled packaging system canonical is proposing
16:54<@heckman>I probably ignored it because apt works just fine.
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16:54<@heckman>Or are they talking about ditching dpkg?
16:55<jchen>oh, apparently its phone/tablet-only
16:55<jchen>desktop/server doesn't seem to change
16:55<@akerl>jchen: Until it does
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16:55<jchen>yeah probably
16:55<@akerl>My real password is Can0nicalIsTrustworthy
16:55<@akerl>Nobody will ever guess that
16:56<Navi>As far as I can tell, from a very preliminary read... They basically said "Yeah, we're on linux, but why the hell would we want to do the apt-like thing for getting apps, checking dependencies, running scripts on pre-inst and post-inst? Can't we just have a big bundle of stuff that each app has, and just plonk it in place so it's nice and easy to delete after?"
16:56<jchen>in other news, saltstack finally has an /official/ debian repo
16:56<jchen>official unofficial
16:56<jchen>too bad i already switched to ansible
16:56<Navi>(in other words... can't we just be like iOS and Android?)
16:57<gparent>It's canonical, you can count on them to reinvent packaging at some point.
16:57<jchen>they're being disruptive
16:57<Q3Man>Those who do not know apt are doomed to reinvent it
16:58<Navi>When Ubuntu goes rolling, what happens to version numbers for the OS!?
16:58<Navi>Ubuntu 14.04. Ubuntu 14.05. Ubuntu 14.06...
16:58<Navi>I wonder how LTSes would work with rolling.
16:58<lakridserne>akerl: Can you see any errors in
16:59<@akerl>I bet the error is on line 6
16:59<lakridserne>Because if not, then /boot/grub/menu.lst is fine
17:00<lakridserne>akerl: There is no line 6
17:00<TecnoBrat>then the error is on line 6
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17:02<TecnoBrat>unless your kernel is so complete it doesn't need a initrd :)
17:03<@akerl>TecnoBrat: If you use an initrd with pv-grub, you're doing it wrong
17:03<@akerl>But you get points for effort
17:03<TecnoBrat>ahh right
17:03<gparent>my kernel is so incomplete it needs an initrd!1!
17:05*staticsafe hugs ansible
17:06<gparent>lakridserne: PM me, I'll give it a shot. But I can see why they're confused, this makes no sense.
17:06<@akerl>It makes loads of sense
17:06<@akerl>I already told him where the issue is
17:07<gparent>I didn't read every line of chat, sorry.
17:07<gparent>Must've missed it.
17:07<@akerl>Line 6
17:07<gparent>Honestly I don't feel like playing games.
17:09<gparent>I have 55 minutes to waste and if it comes down to idiocy like menu.1st then so be it.
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17:09<@heckman>lakridserne: the issue isn't in that file
17:09<@akerl>heckman: I betcha it is :)
17:10<lakridserne>Like I said (and just re-verified) there is no line 6
17:10<@akerl>Add one, will ya?
17:10<gparent>I have the exactly same file he does, and mine works fine.
17:10<gparent>Except file names.
17:10<gparent>What are we missing?
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17:10<@heckman>akerl: ah, you're thinking missing newline?
17:10<@akerl>I am thinking missing newline
17:10<gparent>So paste would add a line 6, that is.
17:10<@heckman>Misunderstood your cryptic message
17:11<gparent>Way to dance around it
17:11<@akerl>I enjoy dancing
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17:11<gparent>no shit
17:12<@akerl>Worth noting that I solved this issue when I hit it by noting that grub didn't see the last line and identifying all the things that made that line different
17:12<lakridserne>alright, seeing if that helps
17:12<fo0bar>akerl: fwiw, there are legitimate uses for pv-grub+initrd. I've got my linodes set up with the ubuntu linux-image-virtual and grub-legacy-ec2 packages, which goes through the motions of setting up an initrd and building menu.lst, but doesn't otherwise try to be a bootloader
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17:12<gparent>I don't read boot logs enough to have noticed that output missing
17:12<@akerl>fo0bar: Most people aren't as fancy as that :P
17:12<fo0bar>(ha ha "ec2", but it works as a generic interface to pv-grub)
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17:18<lakridserne>that newline didn't help
17:18<gparent>Good thing we made you wait an hour for it then.
17:18<lakridserne>Can it be because the k is big in kernel in the file?
17:18<gparent>the k is big?
17:19<lakridserne>as in Kernel
17:19<lakridserne>instead of kernel
17:19<gparent>well the path needs to path the file name
17:19<gparent>the title shouldn't make a difference
17:19<gparent>needs to match*
17:19<lakridserne>the filename matches exactly
17:19<gparent>oh nvm there's no k
17:19<gparent>yeah sorry I name my kernels differently
17:20<gparent>Is xvda your root partition?
17:20<gparent>How's your configuration like
17:20<gparent>if you have swap as xvda it won't work
17:20<Peng_>linux-image-virtual and grub-legacy-ec2 are fancy?
17:20<gparent>well it will but the config won't be right
17:21<gparent>lakridserne: AKA when you go in your boot configuration, what are your block device assignment looking like
17:22<gparent>Also you said it didn't work, but did it do the same thing as before?
17:22<gparent>or did it not work in a different way
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17:22<TecnoBrat>whats the error here?
17:22<Peng_>akerl: It doesn't require much "fanciness" from a user. apt-get install grub-legacy-ec2 linux-image-virtual and it all works automagically.
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17:59<@wblew>gparent: I've updated your ticket.
18:00<thedoor>Hi guys o/
18:01<thedoor>Im receiving a message about 1 free upgrade for my linode 1024, it's true? :P
18:01<thedoor>I can double my linode for free?
18:02<Peng_>wblew: You explained to gparent that taking over the world violates the terms of service?
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18:06<thedoor>The disk image resize process is secure? it will not delete my data? how much time it takes?
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18:08<kyhwana_>thedoor: ideally it won't delete you data. But you have backups right? How long it takes depends on how much data you have
18:09<Navi>When you say double, though, that's a RAM upgrade.
18:09<thedoor>Nice =D
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18:24<gadams>Jetty vs Tomcat for production solr instance?
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18:28<kyhwana_>wow, that guy owns
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18:30<encode>well i'm glad he doesn't own
18:30<encode>he can own, that's fine with me
18:30<gparent>wblew: Steel will do
18:31<gparent>I'll reply that in a few mins
18:31<gparent>Was driving home :)
18:31<gparent>Peng_: Actually he said that as long as I did it legally, I could use Linode for my Master Evil plan.
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18:32<gparent>Man I freaking -hate- these "How did I do?" things but I'll click the right one for you :)
18:33<gparent>Probably because I chat with some of you here, othewise I just ignore them.
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18:43<Rocky> it possible to use Wt(webtoolkit for C++) on linode hosting
18:44<kyhwana_>Rocky: I imagine so?
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19:19<gparent>Rocky: Linode just gives you a machine with root. You do whatever you want on it within the terms of service.
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19:27<Rocky>ok,thank you
19:29<dr_jkl>Any news on when fremont is getting the upgrades?
19:29<gparent>Not yet.
19:29<gparent>It will be on the blog.
19:29<gparent>Or at least that's what they usually tell people.
19:29<dr_jkl>i figured, i was just lookin' for an inside scoop ;)
19:29<dr_jkl>ty. :)
19:30<Peng_>Linode doesn't have inside scoops.
19:30<gparent>Yeah, if you're lucky enough to get leaked info, it won't be in the official channel any time soon..
19:31<kyhwana_>yeah, it'll be on the beta channel ;)
19:31<dr_jkl>there's a beta channel? :P
19:32<kyhwana_>dr_jkl: guess what it is!
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19:33<gparent>"If you prefer a french representative, press 2" What about "If you don't give a shit and just want to be answered ASAP, press 3"
19:33<gparent>why is there never that option
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19:33<ghosticus>I could give you an answer
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19:33<ghosticus>If you prefet a french representative, press 2
19:34<gparent>....Great answer!
19:34<gparent>(I didn't get the joke)
19:34<kyhwana_>To talk to caker's plants, press 9
19:36<kyhwana_>Please Hold
19:38*ghosticus is holding
19:38<Peng_>please hold hands
19:39<TecnoBrat>gparent: thats not how it goes!
19:40<gparent>I just want a friggin' bilingual option
19:40<ghosticus>If you are being murdered, please stay on the line
19:40<TecnoBrat>"for English, press 1, pour le service en francais, appuyez 2"
19:40<TecnoBrat>why would you ask someone if they want french .. in english!
19:40<TecnoBrat>that sounds like something an american would do!
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19:41<gparent>well I translated it for you guys
19:44<gparent>Mr Ticket 1886026, you have given Will Blew a Happy rating.
19:44<gparent>I hope he's happy
19:44<@wblew>I am
19:44<gparent>Funnily enough you get credit for dmessina's work
19:44<gparent>You sure typed your question super well though.
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19:45<@wblew>I try, thanks for the feedback!
19:45<spyro>I like root beer with soy sauce in it
19:45<gparent>ehe, no problem.
19:45<gparent>you're great from other tickets anyway ;)
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19:45<TecnoBrat>is there a happy rating?
19:45<TecnoBrat>can I rate support tickets?
19:46<@wblew>If I respond to it you can.
19:47<gparent>So not everyone has it enabled?
19:47<gparent>Is it secret sauce or can you tell us a bit more on who/what decides it?
19:47<@wblew>Not at the moment, I honestly don't have the details.
19:48<ghosticus>:) :| :(
19:48<TecnoBrat>gparent: are we being serious here? you can rate support ticket answers?
19:48<gparent>Yeah I did.
19:48<gparent>I copy pasted that mr. ticket thing
19:49<gparent>I didn't want to give my name to some external company, wasn't sure where it was hosted et
19:49*TecnoBrat rates all of the maintenance tickets that never happened a 1/10 :P
19:49<gparent>ghosticus: "Customer: I would like autowebscale"
19:49<gparent>ghosticus: "wblew: What the heck?" Mood: :?
19:53<ghosticus>ah mood ratings
19:53<ghosticus>wblew's response would obviously be "use mongo"
19:54<encode>clearly one must use java, to sure it is ENTERPRISE enough for auto web scale
19:54<gparent>the USS ENTERPRISE's os was coded in java
19:54<gparent>which explains that god damn awful interface
19:55*encode forgets who it was in here that was always talking about java and enterprise
19:55<gparent>wasn't me
19:55<gparent>for sure
19:55<Peng_>You were talking to yourself.
19:56<encode>amitz i think it was
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20:20<amitz>did i see a promising protege?
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20:28<ghosticus>amitz: yes, teach the young grasshopper
20:30<cafuego>Is he staring at a mirror again with realising?
20:30<cafuego>s/with/without/ :-P
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20:42<Ikaros>I'm not doing it. NOT DOING I T.
20:43<@Praefectus>do ti
20:43<@Praefectus>it, too
20:43<@Praefectus>will you do it if my finger is hovering over the cancel button for your account?
20:44<@Praefectus>(my finger wasnt really hovering)
20:44<rnowak>it was already on the button
20:44<Ikaros>Now the question becomes, should I just hit that little cancel link for threatening me? :P
20:44<@Praefectus>up to you
20:45<@Praefectus>make sure you back up your data first!
20:45<Ikaros>Well fortunate for you I can take a joke.
20:45<Ikaros>That and, I've people that rely on both of my Linodes so cancellation is not an option.
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22:34<gadams>Twitter: "I wrote a tool called SQLrillex. When you run it, it drops all databases."
22:34<kyhwana_>gadams: [img-timeline]
22:38<kyhwana_>hmm, yeah, that was yesterday
22:40<kyhwana_>hmm,'s SSL cert still expired
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22:41<EugeneKay>Was it issued by Microsoft?
22:42<kyhwana_>nah, thawte
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23:16<@caker> <-- Fremont straight dope
23:19<linbot>New news from forum: Fremont RAM upgrade in General Discussion <>
23:20<kyhwana_>caker: hmm
23:20<dwfreed>wblew: hi
23:21<kyhwana_>So, if we're already on E5-2670's in fremont we're in FMT2? Or still in FMT1?
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23:24<@caker>probably in fmt2 :). .. I don't think any 2670s are in fmt1 - but I could be wrong
23:24<EugeneKay>Nice to see the fmt2 thing is offical
23:24<kyhwana_>ahh sweet
23:24<EugeneKay>Is FMT1 gonna go away eventually?
23:25<@caker>(did you read it?) :)
23:25<bob2>that was more or less stated
23:25<EugeneKay>I did; the HE guy I was speaking with a few days ago wasn't sure of your plans
23:25<@caker>why was the HE guy disclosing stuff about us?
23:25<@caker>what is his name please?
23:26<EugeneKay>Because he's a friend of mine; he's not on your project.
23:26<gparent>caker: Nice write up
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23:26<gparent>Appreciated even if I'm not in Fremont, I like seeing this.
23:26<gparent>Thank you.
23:28<EugeneKay>Here's one: are you doing a BGP to HE, or static routing? IOW, when FMT1 does get totally shut down is everything gonna cleanly run through the fmt2 HE core router?
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23:29<@caker>we will move routes over block by block when they achieve critical mass, yes
23:29<rohara>EugeneKay: who is your friend?
23:29<gparent>EugeneKay: what's your SSN?
23:30<EugeneKay>gparent: 123-45-6789
23:30<gparent>I wanted to set something unique as the combination to my luggage.
23:30<ajmitch>caker: thanks for the fremont update
23:31<@caker>ajmitch: np. Took a while to actually have something to add ... each day we've thought we were going to be able to update, then things turned. I feel like we're finally on solid ground now
23:31<bob2>EugeneKay, who is your daddy and what does he do
23:32<EugeneKay>bob2 - my father is a world-renowned internet terrorist; I currently employ him as a large-scale systems architect
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23:36<EugeneKay>Another fun question: how much of is in use in fremont? Is a transition to somewhere else in the 1918 space anticipated anytime soon?
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23:37<kyhwana_>top - 15:37:43 up 27 min, 2 users, load average: 1654.17, 767.24, 293.92
23:38<EugeneKay>I call that good server utilization
23:38<kyhwana_>did make -j on linux kernel source
23:38<ajmitch>caker: so at this point upgrades may be a month or two away for us?
23:38<gparent>what the heck
23:39<gparent>kyhwana_: what kind of server is that?
23:39<ajmitch>kyhwana_: I fail to see the problem, doesn't that box have 1600 cores?
23:39<XReaper>kyhwana_: !!!!
23:39<kyhwana_>dual socket E5-2670 with 128GB of RAM
23:40<EugeneKay>Only 128? I'm stuffing that much into a single socket 2630 box >_>
23:41<Lorentz>I remember when that used to be 128MB
23:42<Lorentz>128GB is ridiculous somehow
23:42<kyhwana_>hmm, not anymore
23:43<EugeneKay>I'm trying to think of something to run on it before I install ESXi
23:43<EugeneKay>A small Rails app maybe
23:43<ajmitch>even my laptop has 16GB
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23:48<@caker>ajmitch: no, I don't think so. We're aiming for something much sooner
23:49<ajmitch>caker: great, the 3 month timeline in the first paragraph was a bit of a worry
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23:51<@caker>ajmitch: in that scenario the upgrade button for everyone would have been available
23:51<@caker>which would have moved you to fmt2
23:52<@caker>that was the ideal solution, but alas - is no longer an acceptable option
23:52*bob2 starts POSTing to upgrade form in a loop
23:57<jeremyb_>hrmmmmm, i thinks this is a bug. rename a node (settings tab) and submit. hit back button and then remote access tab. you get access denied because nothing exists with the old symbolic name
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23:57<jeremyb_>i thinks maybe you could put some sort of primary key in the URL
23:58<jeremyb_>anyway, just something to think about. probably doesn't bite people much
23:58*jeremyb_ runs away
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.94476104, 0.85148293) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 435045 of 553631 (π ≈ 3.143212717495949 - 0.001620063906156). http://π
23:59<@Perihelion>I tried :<
23:59<@Perihelion>I had a drink in my hand so I didn't want to be too aggro about it :<
23:59<gparent>mine was firmly set on my desk
23:59<@Perihelion>Laptops don't like liquids btw
23:59<gparent>standard vodka/orange juice though, nothing fancy
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