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---Logopened Thu Jul 04 00:00:50 2013
00:01<linbot>New news from forum: SSH jails in General Discussion <> || chmod to make the webserver dirs writeable by the web server in General Discussion <>
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01:09<linbot>New news from forum: Moved My Blog last Week. Great Success in Customer Testimonials <>
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01:15<EugeneKay>Fireworks shows are a lot better from underneath
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01:16*XReaper sets EugeneKay on fire and watches the fireworks display
01:17<EugeneKay>Silly XReaper, I was wearing my nomex suit.
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01:18<m0unds>gnomex, made from real gnomes
01:18<EugeneKay>I was on the fire crew for the launchers
01:19<XReaper>EugeneKay: i saw a person almost get blown up by a dodgy firework once
01:20<EugeneKay>We had one detonate on the ground tonight. Bit of it smacked into my face shield
01:21<XReaper>EugeneKay: one year over here, two thirds of the fireworks barges caught fire
01:21<XReaper>was an impressive sight
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01:21<EugeneKay>I'm sure.
01:21<XReaper>EugeneKay: the owner wanted to stay on one of the barges to attempt to put out the fire!
01:22<XReaper>something something lots ot money something
01:22<EugeneKay>We don't have open water(except down on the lake, but the show is in town), so no barge
01:22<EugeneKay>Instead, a collection of 4 old boat trailers in a clearing at the back of the park.
01:22<XReaper>yeah, and eventually the barges exploded :D
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01:23<XReaper>EugeneKay: that looks pretty standard
01:24<EugeneKay>Yup. Just a small town show.
01:24<EugeneKay>Quadbike and all
01:24<XReaper>so if the trailer load catches fire...
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01:25<EugeneKay>That's what the tanker truck(and me) was for
01:25<XReaper>how do you put out fireworks/
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01:25<EugeneKay>Fog spray, try to keep it from catching the trees.
01:26<EugeneKay>And try not to get hit in the nads
01:26<EugeneKay>Seriously. Coupla years back one went wrong on the pad, burned through the suit of the guy launching it, right in the groin
01:26<EugeneKay>He escaped with just a 2nd-degree thigh burn
01:27<XReaper>So the moral of the story is, use the correct equipment
01:27<EugeneKay>Yup. <3 nomex
01:27<EugeneKay>Made from the finest gnome skins
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01:28<XReaper>be fun to have one of those big fireworks detonate on the ground
01:28<EugeneKay>I think it was a 4" shell we had go off
01:28<EugeneKay>I won't lie, I jumped and ran for the pump before the call came back "all good"
01:29<XReaper>flippin is actually a place?
01:29<EugeneKay>Yup. Flippin, Arkansas.
01:29<XReaper>what a name
01:29<EugeneKay>Flippin right it is
01:29<XReaper>i bet you only moved there for that pun
01:30<EugeneKay>Nah, because it's cheap.
01:30<EugeneKay>One of the lowest adjusted cost-of-living in the country
01:30<EugeneKay>Grampa bought thouse a few years back; when he got old and couldn't take care of himself I moved up.
01:31<EugeneKay>He passed last year, I like the place enough to say.
01:31<EugeneKay>Also they let me play with fire trucks
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01:38<m0unds>neat thing on through the wormhole about reprogramming the brain
01:39<m0unds>researchers built a device that could program amateur archers to be able to shoot significantly better with much less training than usual
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01:39<m0unds>pretty neat
01:45<EugeneKay>Does it vend?
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01:46<m0unds>also, "hacking" the sleeping mind using the sense of smell, since it can bypass the thalamus
01:47<m0unds>they used a perfume, then played a tone, then used the smell of rotting fish, with another tone
01:48<m0unds>after the dude wakes up, they play the tone associated with perfume, and his brain responds by making him inhale more deeply; when they play the tone for the fish, his mind reacts to avoid letting him breathe in the smell
01:48<m0unds>so weird
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02:11<linbot>New news from forum: MySQL - Can't grant all privileges to myself in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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02:53<linbot>New news from forum: MySQL - Can't grant all privileges to myself in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
02:55<jgornick>Hey guys, would it be possible for me to keep my existing linode up while I upgrade from Ubuntu 11.10 to Ubuntu 12.04?
02:55<EugeneKay>jgornick - I recommend adding a second Linode and migrating services over piecemeal
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02:56<EugeneKay>It'll cost you a few bucks, but saves untold troubles from sorting out upgrade nonsense
02:56<jgornick>EugeneKay, ok cool. I go down that path.
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02:57<vbrilon>Hi, anyone around who is experienced with bring up instances via the Linode API, please?
02:58<EugeneKay>API? Haven't used it much. But ask away.
02:59<vbrilon>Trying to figure out all the steps you need to bring up a fresh instance using stack scripts. The API documentation is a little short on all the required steps
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02:59<vbrilon>It appears that you need to create a new config every time you do so, but I can't find docs that confirm that either way
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03:06<@jcurry>vbrilon: yes, the Linode, configuration profile, and disk images are all created separately
03:08<vbrilon>jcurry, thanks, I do get that. I just don't understand *when* the config profile is required. It looks like, in the API docs, you can deploy from stack scripts using a default config rather than create a new one, but the docs end rather abruplty at that point
03:09<linbot>New news from forum: SSH jails in General Discussion <>
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03:17<@jcurry>linode.disk.createfromstackscript will not create a configuration profile for you
03:17<vbrilon>Right, understood
03:18<vbrilon>what I am saying is that I can't see a way to create a single config and use that for all the servers I boot up from a stack script, make sense?
03:18<EugeneKay>A Configuration Profile is a "recipe" used to boot a given Linode.
03:19<EugeneKay>You can clone an existing config profile(and associated disk images) into a new Linode
03:19<@jcurry>^ that
03:19<vbrilon>oh, that's an interesting approach, thanks! I hadn't thought of that
03:19<EugeneKay>I /believe/ that linode.clone() does this
03:20<vbrilon>looking at the API now...
03:20<vbrilon>hmmm..."It is recommended that the source Linode be powered down during the clone."
03:20<vbrilon>oh and this: "There is a limit of 5 active clone operations per source Linode"
03:20<vbrilon>ok back to the drawing board
03:21<vbrilon>so, in linode.config.create() it says the only two required params are LinodeID and KernelID, everything else drops to default. When i test that, I get an error back --ERRORMESSAGE] => RootDeviceNum out of bounds or the specified position doesn't contain a valid DiskID
03:22<vbrilon>am I forgetting to do something else on this instance before I create a config?
03:23<vbrilon>my script calls linode.create(), then linode.disk.createfromdistribution(), and then tries to create config. Am I missing something in that process?
03:24<@jcurry>DiskList is actually required, it should not say optional. sorry about that!
03:25<@jcurry>as is Label
03:25<vbrilon>well crap that makes a lot more sense now :)
03:25<vbrilon>let me test that, thanks jcurry!
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03:28<vbrilon>jcurry, is the DiskID argument to config.create() the same one as returned from disk.createfromstackscript()?
03:29<@jcurry>also, don't forget to create a swap image with disk.create
03:31<vbrilon>so doing this: linode_config_create(array('LinodeID'=>$id, 'DiskID'=>'$disk_id', 'KernelID'=>$kernel_id, 'Label'=>'New_Profile')) -- still gives me the "RootDeviceNum out of bounds" error
03:31<vbrilon>and before you ask, yes I am stuck with this php client and can't use a more sane language :)
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03:37<@jcurry>change 'DiskID'=> to 'DiskList'=>
03:38<vbrilon>og jeez
03:38<vbrilon>that did it
03:38<vbrilon>thanks guys!
03:39<vbrilon>jcurry, you're a rock star. I can finally go get some sleep :) Thank you again
03:39<@jcurry>no problem, have a good night :)
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03:42<Nightmare>rock star eh
03:43<@jcurry>yes Nightmare?
03:46<Nightmare>Nothing, nothing :)
03:51<vbrilon>hey jcurry, if you don't mind -- one more question?
03:51<XReaper>ask it or forever hold your peace
03:52<vbrilon>i am seeing the new disks being created in the profile, and everything seems to be working -- except that when the instance tries to boot up, I get the "Specified root device does not exist in config profile." error in the console
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03:53<vbrilon>and sure enough, if I go into the config profile, the new disk I created isn't being assigned to the root device properly
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03:53<vbrilon>I feel like I am missing something in that DiskList API param
03:54<vbrilon>what i am doing is just "DiskList=>$disk_id", with $disk_id being returned from the stack script disk creation call
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03:57<vbrilon>and I've verified that $disk_id is valid and the API isn't returning any errors
03:57<@jcurry>it should automatically assign the first disk as the root device. what happens if you manually specify RootDeviceNum?
03:58<vbrilon>just set it to 1
03:58<vbrilon>testing now...
03:59<vbrilon>wish Linode had a sandbox for us to play in. Spinning up a new server every 3 minutes gets expensive after a while
04:00<Nightmare>seems like a weirdly common request
04:00<linbot>New news from forum: Intrusion Detection Systems in General Discussion <> || SSH jails in General Discussion <>
04:00<vbrilon>ok it's spinning up...let's see what happens
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04:01<vbrilon>nope, same error :/
04:01<@jcurry>I agree on the sandbox. For now, if you simply delete the existing disk images and configuration profiles, rather than using linode.create with each request you will not be billed for testing.
04:02<vbrilon>if I go into the profile in the console, it does indeed show that /dev/xda has no device assigned to it
04:02<@jcurry>Also as soon as you delete a Linode you are automatically granted a pro-rated credit.
04:03<vbrilon>i understand it's pro-rated, it's not *that* huge of a deal, But in my testing I want to make sure I am simulating bring up a server from scratch, you know?
04:03<vbrilon>Anyway -- any suggestion on why it's not assigning the device properly?
04:04<vbrilon>should DiskList be given single id, or a a single id + 7 commas to indicate empty device slots?
04:04<@jcurry>oh in that case I completely misunderstood the issue you were seeing, I thought you were seeing that the root device was not specified, not that the disk image was not assigned.
04:05<vbrilon>sorry if I didn't explain that better. It's late and my eyes are bleeding from looking at these docs :)
04:05<vbrilon>the error message is that "the root device was not specified", but it stems from the /dev/xvda not having an image assigned t it
04:07<@jcurry>can you open this as a ticket so I can see the Linode you are referring to, and see if we can do something for you regarding billing?
04:07<vbrilon>ok will do, thanks for help man, you really helped me get to the final step! much appreciated
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04:15<vbrilon>jcurry, ticket opened, i put the relevant code in there, and left the new instance running for you guys to look at
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04:16<linbot>New news from forum: MySQL - Can't grant all privileges to myself in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
04:17<@jcurry>vbrilon: thanks!
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04:35<vbrilon>jcurry, i figured it out. Damn. Wow. Those docs need a serious update
04:36<vbrilon>Long story short, this got it working: 'DiskList'=>"$disk_id, $swap_id,'','','','','','',''",
04:36<vbrilon>i ended up reading the source for ruby and the phython API clients and seeing how they handled it
04:41<vbrilon>without those explicit placeholders there, the API still works, but the server will never have the right device assignment. Wacky.
04:41<vbrilon>anyway, thanks again for the help. happy 4th of July, and good night
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04:47<theonlymn>ahoy hoy
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04:51<theonlymn>wanna help me real quick ;D
04:53<KamiNuvini>No one can help you if we don't know your issue :p
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04:56<theonlymn>ell it's fairly specific :P
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04:57<theonlymn>is virtualhost supposed to say that? or something else?
04:57<theonlymn>I'm following this guide
05:00<kyhwana_>I don't imagine you own yoursite.tld
05:00<theonlymn>well obv -.-
05:00<theonlymn># Standard http port NameVirtualHost *:80 <VirtualHost *:80> ServerAdmin ServerName
05:01<theonlymn>I have running tho
05:02<kyhwana_>well, doesn't resolve
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05:02<theonlymn>yeah I just noticed that >.>
05:04<theonlymn>the ns1.linode etc
05:05<kyhwana_>theonlymn: hmm?
05:05<kyhwana_>there's no A record for, there is for
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05:08<theonlymn>ok got that part lol
05:09<theonlymn>well once dns restarts
05:10<theonlymn>does the rest stay the same tho?
05:11<kyhwana_>as long as /site/ actually exists, I think so
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05:15<kyhwana_>somethings already running on that port
05:16<kyhwana_>sudo netstat -antp | grep 80
05:16<kyhwana_>(And you'll have to wait for dns to stop being cached/etc)
05:16<linbot>New news from forum: HA cluster on 2VPS servers. in General Discussion <>
05:18<theonlymn>wait wat
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06:29<wael>i signed up to the managed service and i need to setup the public key
06:29<wael>need guidance
06:29<wael>knowledge level in punching in codes and stuff is sub zero :)
06:30<@caker>hello -- have you seen ?
06:31<wael>when i type in the mkdir command it says it already exists
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06:31<@caker>there is no mkdir command in that document
06:31<dzho>then skip yo the next step?
06:33<wael>ok i punched in nano/root/.ssh/authorized_keys
06:33<wael>i got an error message
06:34<wael>error code 1, error opening terminal
06:35<wael>error opening terminal: unknown
06:36<dzho>you typed it in wrong
06:36<dzho>space, not slash, after nano
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06:37<wael>same error
06:38<dzho>well, space, then slash
06:38<wael>that's how it is mentioned in the library though
06:38<@caker>you've done something weird with your terminal program or terminal session or something - but try: export TERM=linux
06:38<wael>tried your suggestions
06:38<@caker>after that, try the nano again
06:39<dzho>again, mindful of spaces
06:42<@caker>export TERM=linux <return>, then the nano command
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06:48<wael>i did that
06:48<wael>still the same error
06:49<wael>is there a way for you to do it instead?
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06:51<dzho>caker: I think your going to need a button.
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07:13<linbot>New news from forum: HA cluster on 2VPS servers. in General Discussion <>
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07:44<HoopyCat>caker: it's really the only sensible thing to do, if it's done safely. therapeutically, there's no danger involved.
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08:42<max__>hi all
08:43<max__>I wanted to signup for a Linode but I'm worried about the network performance because the nearest server I can choose is in Japan, but my country is in Malaysia
08:43<max__>is that going affect too much to be aware?
08:43<@qmr>!to max__ speedtest
08:44<max__>i did ran the speedtest, the download speed is fast, but how about the response of http request?
08:46<@qmr>You downloaded the file over HTTP?
08:48<pronto>max__: also, linode payments are pro-rated, so if you cancle your account after a day. part of your money is returned
08:48<pronto> <
08:48<@qmr>If you cancel in 7 days you can request a full refund
08:49<@qmr>You can also sign up for a trial for 4 hours
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08:51<max__>so is it good enough to host it at Japan but serving traffic in Malaysia?
08:52<@qmr>I have no idea. Most likely
08:52<max__>i'm currently actually using the AWS Free Tier
08:52<max__>but it is quite unstable
08:52<HoopyCat>max__: is hosted in the united states but appears to be performant enough to hold your interest :-)
08:52<max__>with Drupal & mysql installed
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09:46<Talma>Is there anyone Linode team that can answer me a question about payment?
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09:51<Talma>Hello! Is there anyone Linode team that can answer me a question about payment?
09:53<arnaslu>Talma: I don't think Linode team can discuss billing here on IRC, you should try opening a ticket
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09:56<@qmr>Talma: Hi
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10:18<linbot>New news from forum: How to set up an IRC server in General Discussion <>
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10:22<Nivex>there's a "series of tubes" joke in there, but it's a holiday and my brain checked out
10:23<HoopyCat>Nivex: yesterday was a kinda day
10:23<HoopyCat>!wx KROC
10:23<linbot>HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 75.2F/24C, visibility 10 miles, wind 5.75 mph (altimeter: 30.18) [KROC 041354Z 22005KT 10SM FEW055 OVC095 24/22 A3018 RMK AO2 RAE20 SLP219 P0007 T02440222 $]
10:23<HoopyCat>today is a 22-degree dew point kinda day
10:24<Nivex>that was our Sunday
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10:25<HoopyCat>i probably ought to inspect the prius today, since i did end up in excessively deep water on a few occasions last night
10:28<gparent>The amphibious model is quite impressive.
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10:44<HoopyCat>summary of yesterday's evening rush hour:
10:46<gparent>TIL I learned there were over 10 editions of The Oregon Trail
10:46<gparent>TIL there*
10:46<HoopyCat>today i TIL learned there*
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11:17<m0unds>cool, performance in arma 3 beta is improved a lot
11:17<m0unds>has* improved
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11:32<linbot>oh man!
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12:02<Kellin>has anyone used a disk image and/or LVM on their Linode to create multiple containers with a fixed size to control disk space for a chrooted environment? Linode forum post I found says LVM breaks backup (a service I may use later), using disk images means that I have to make a whole new image any time I need to expand available space
12:02<@qmr>Will separate disk images not work for some reason?
12:04<Kellin>right now I have enough specced that I would have all images assigned to available /dev/xvd* This worries me if I needed to add a new one later
12:05<Kellin>I have been trying to think through what kind of options I have, and the tradeoffs, before I go too far down the road and end up with something unsustainable in the long term.
12:05<EugeneKay>I find hard quotas to be a PITA. A big storage pool and a cron job to delete files over a user's limit(or, if you're feeling nice, send them a warning email first) works very well, and doesn't have all the management headache.
12:06<EugeneKay>IOW, Social solution to a technical problem.
12:08<Kellin>It's not so much against users - what I'm concerned about is a process going wild (or some exploit gets found that I hadn't known about or patched for yet) that explodes disk usage in a service which makes the system fall down. I'm trying to isolate each service so that if, for example, the database goes crazy with grabbing space, it will not take down the other services on the machine
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12:10<EugeneKay>The good news is that programmers are getting better at not leaving in ludicious sprintf() exploits every day, so you don't need to worry about that as much as you think.
12:11<Kellin>hmm, fair enough. I have a lot more "knowledge" than "experience" at this point, so that insight helps :)
12:12<EugeneKay>About the worst thing that can happen regularly is leaving MySQL binary logging on when it isn't needed, or not having an iptables rate-limiting rule on ssh(so /var/log/auth.log grows ludicrously when a spambot tries to bruteforce your password)
12:14<Kellin>laugh - the /var/log/auth.log thing happened to me in the first week. It didn't take anything down but I very quickly added rate limiters / blocking to my firewall rules :)
12:14<EugeneKay>Just don't use fail2ban :-p
12:15<Kellin>heh - I don't - I learned iptables a little better. I'll dial back my paranoia a little bit and just flow with something simpler than I had in mind :)
12:15<Kellin>Thanks for the sanity check EugeneKay
12:15<EugeneKay>Any time.
12:15<dcraig>I installed fail2ban many years ago, but EugeneKay has convinced me to investigate these so-called "iptables rules"
12:16<EugeneKay>hashlimit module is the shit
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12:52<gparent>today I learned you can revert lvremove
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13:06<HoopyCat>how many cubic feet is a beefed quarter cow?
13:07<HoopyCat>i'll accept spherical metric radii
13:07<HoopyCat>oh god, it's too late... afk
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13:28<trippeh>So. The time it takes for a disk image to be deleted in the manager, until its actually "shredded", I assume that is the time it takes to send it to NSA?
13:30<Nivex>nah, they do realtime mirroring to the NSA. they've already got our data.
13:31<trippeh>Ah, NSA-drbd
13:32<Kellin>reminds me of an image someone shared last week - new Facebook sharing rules - "All", "Friends & NSA", "Just Me & NSA", or "Just NSA"
13:36<Nivex>I figure if it travels through a computer system I do not control, it needs to look like this:
13:37<@qmr>link no workie
13:37<trippeh>works fine
13:37<trippeh>Your internet is defective
13:37<@qmr>v6 only? :P
13:38<Xel>I love you guys
13:38<XReaper>no homo
13:38<@qmr>I would call Comcast to complain, but I already did that last night
13:39<XReaper>qmr: you have a linode
13:39<Xel>qmr, at Comcast, they truly value you as a customer and genuinely don't want you to leave for the competi... wait a minute...
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13:39<XReaper>Xel: Is Comcast the Telstra of the US? :P (telstra owns all the copper network in aus)
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13:40<Xel>Well not really. In the US, the cable companies have monopolies in certain areas
13:40<Xel>So we have multiple companies, but only one of them serves any given property/area
13:40<@tasaro>It's more like organized crime.
13:41<Xel>Now you can get DSL in those areas too, but that's not really an option as DSL speeds were broadband 10 years ago, not today
13:41<@akerl>tasaro: I'll forever picture al capone on the other end whenever I call comcast support now
13:41<@akerl>thanks for that
13:42<Xel>aker1, don't do that. Al had class.
13:42<Xel>The Comcast support rep, wel....
13:42<XReaper>Xel: well, the aus govt is trying to fix the problem by spending billions on a fibre network
13:43<Nivex>"Looking for a better deal? You can oli-gobble down our balls. You're paying for it."
13:46*XReaper makes Nivex a fibre optic coat
13:47<Nivex>I have a friend moving into the other side of my neighborhood. They'll be less than 0.5 mi away, but that's 0.5mi of houses and trees in the way, so no wireless.
13:47<XReaper>too expensive anyway
13:48<Nivex>so we'll be stuck with a 1mbit (best upstream from provider) VPN
13:48<Nivex>There's got to be a way
13:51<trippeh>The fibre operators about 0.5 mile away is much cheaper than the cable here
13:51<trippeh>and faster ofc
13:52<Nivex>I don't think there's any fiber in the ground in this neighborhood, let alone who owns it.
13:52<trippeh>Oh well, at least this 120Mbps/10Mbps is not totally useless
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13:54<trippeh>the fibre guys do 400Mbps for cheaper. But 120 is well within usable even in 2013. ;)
13:54<Nivex>do you get IPv6 on that service?
13:54<Nivex>Where are you?!
13:54<XReaper>do you get ipv12
13:55*Nivex guesses non-US
13:55*m0unds does too
13:56<trippeh>non-us, yes.
13:56<m0unds>go figure, a tiny country has gigabit fiber to the home. go figure a city in the us has muni fiber to the home.
13:56<m0unds>17500 customers
13:56<m0unds>scale and all that
13:57<m0unds>oh well, no care ever
13:57<Nivex>m0unds: A city here in NC did FTTH. As soon as the incumbents got wind of it they had any future attempts legislated out of existence.
13:57<XReaper>m0unds: australia has gigabit fibre to the home...
13:57<m0unds>XReaper: how many subscribers are served by it?
13:57<m0unds>how much of a footprint? etc
13:57<XReaper>m0unds: gigabit speeds haven't been enabled.
13:57<m0unds>because i could say new mexico has it too, but there's a single provider offering it
13:57<XReaper>current max is 1000mbit
13:57<XReaper>eh 100
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13:58<m0unds>Nivex: incumbent being centurytel out there?
13:59<m0unds>they're scumbags. qwest was bad pre-century acquisition, but they're absurdly terrible now
13:59<trippeh>the cable operator here just told media that they're trying to reach gigabit to customer over copper by 2014. Probably still 10Mbps outbound :P
13:59<XReaper>gigabit over copper? whut
14:00<Nivex>m0unds: Time Warner was the biggest asshat in that case.
14:00<m0unds>Nivex: that's not surprising either, tw is awful
14:00<trippeh>Well, technically its HFC.
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14:00<Nivex>yes. I wish I didn't have to pay them.
14:00<Nivex>well, technically I don't, but see previous statement about DSL
14:00<XReaper>fibre or go home
14:00<m0unds>my dad despises them, but centurytel was worse
14:02<Nivex>I need to screw up my courage and drop a note to DukeNet Communications and see what they can do. Chances are they'll just laugh, but I won't know until I ask.
14:02<linbot>New news from forum: How to set up an IRC server in General Discussion <>
14:02<m0unds>albuquerque is so sprawled out, that there's pretty much no chance to get anything that doesn't ride on either century stuff or comcast
14:03<GTAXL>I'm stuck with CenturyLink. D:
14:03<m0unds>that sucks
14:04<m0unds>were you in a qwest market or embarq or something else?
14:04<GTAXL>5Mbps is the fastest speed they can ofer
14:04<GTAXL>Embarq was Sprint's land line
14:04<GTAXL>Sad my friends right up the road get 10Mbps
14:04<Nivex>I get 15/1 here. It's passable, but I know we can do better.
14:05<GTAXL>0.75Mbps up
14:05<XReaper>i get 14/1 on dsl :D
14:05<GTAXL>My friend lives in rural North Dakota and gets 100Mbps Fiber
14:05<m0unds>probably because there's no population and no infrastructure build out outside the metro area
14:06<m0unds>that's why i asked about subscriber amounts in aus, it doesn't matter if it's only covering 10k people
14:06<XReaper>It's cheaper to run fibre
14:06<XReaper>than it is to run copper
14:06<m0unds>well, cable internet has the copper plant already
14:06<GTAXL>lol, a new crap isp is putting down coaxial cable
14:06<m0unds>running fiber to nodes is trivial
14:06<m0unds>same with telcos
14:06<XReaper>m0unds: FTTN? what kind of idiot thinks FTTN is a good ides.
14:07<GTAXL>Wish CenturyLink would upgrade it's crap, they are buying all the small ISP's and making a big one, don't they have the money yet? :P
14:07<m0unds>it uses existing infrastructure, it's cost effective, what kind of idiot thinks MOAR FIBER works?
14:07<Nivex>If you're _running new_ why not do fiber?
14:07<GTAXL>I guess it would cost alot to replace telephone lines for cable
14:07<XReaper>m0unds: ... it can't go fast
14:07<m0unds>Nivex: because it's a whole different ballpark
14:07<XReaper>GTAXL: the plan here is to pull up ALL THE COPPER and sell it
14:08<XReaper>FTTP ftw
14:08<m0unds>that doesn't work everywhere
14:08<GTAXL>My friend has ftths? Fiber to the home service?
14:09<XReaper>same shit
14:09<m0unds>comcast has as many subscribers are there are people in australia
14:09<XReaper>m0unds: they specced out FTTN here, would only be able to achieve a max of ~80mbit
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14:10<XReaper>the copper sucks
14:10<GTAXL>I don't see comcast in Ohio (where I live) must be in rare areas?
14:10<gparent>fiber to teh butt
14:10*XReaper shoves fibre up gparent's butt
14:10<m0unds>GTAXL: comcast serves lots of markets, just not every market
14:10<gparent>XReaper: :(
14:10<XReaper>10gbit internet :O
14:11<gparent>that`s way more potential packets per second than my butt can take.
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14:11*gparent types speed 100 on the proper int port.
14:12<gparent>So turns out signing up to the linux kernel mailing list is a good way to test your mail server
14:12<XReaper>m0unds: mind, FTTN can be converted to FTTP
14:12<m0unds>XReaper: it sure can
14:12<XReaper>so i guess in the short term it makes more sense
14:12<m0unds>it sure does
14:14<GTAXL>That would be me
14:14<m0unds>heh, that guy's a dummy
14:14<GTAXL>Wish I had FiOS
14:14<m0unds>i wouldn't let vz techs near my house, too many fires
14:14<GTAXL>lol they cause fires?
14:14<m0unds>yeah, drilling into utility lines, boring into gas lines, cutting electrical utilities at the panel, hitting sewage lines
14:15<m0unds>it's dwindled a lot because their deployment rate is lower since most of their subscribers who wanted it have it
14:15<trippeh>Heh, I seem to average about 2TB/mo on the cable. Not even trying, like that guy :P
14:15*m0unds average 80gb/mo
14:16<m0unds>when i shut down my old routing device, it had passed around 210GB in 5 mos
14:17<m0unds>so i guess, 40 gb/mo now - used to be 80 when i worked from home
14:19<XReaper>my linode does ~1TB/mo
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14:21<m0unds>mine's done 10.8GB in 26 days
14:22<trippeh>40gb is barely some internet radio :o
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14:22<trippeh>GB even
14:22<XReaper>i don't know what is going through my linode but it's used 1TB both ways :D
14:23<GTAXL>I'm starting to backup my Linode to my home drive, might use some bw.
14:23<GTAXL>Shouldn't hit the 2TB limit though
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14:31<justin11>hi all
14:31<@caker>do you turnup the radio?
14:32<m0unds>...11 joke?
14:32<@caker>NO! and you don't backup either. It's BACK <----> UP
14:32<@caker>you can't have backupped nor can you be backupping
14:32<m0unds>caker: still hate "setup"?
14:33*XReaper backups caker
14:33<GLaDOSDan>Who doesn't hate setup?
14:33*XReaper setups his linode
14:33<@caker>my hatred has evolved to include all such violations
14:33<GLaDOSDan>XReaper: did you perform setup before you backupped caker?
14:33<m0unds>i just remember that from #linode like 5 or 6 years ago
14:33<XReaper>GLaDOSDan: yes!
14:34<m0unds>makes me sad to think that 5 years ago was 2008
14:34<m0unds>is 2008
14:34<justin11>The Apache error log may have more information. failed!
14:35<XReaper>check your error log :D
14:35<m0unds>man, i need to clean up my office
14:35<@caker>itym cleanup!
14:35<m0unds>i thought about saying cleanup, but it felt wrong
14:36<@akerl>caker: cleanuping?
14:36<XReaper>but so right
14:36*XReaper cleanups akerl's office
14:36<m0unds>i be cleanuping while i clean up
14:36<justin11>hpw do u chack
14:36<XReaper>justin11: it's in /var/log/apache or something
14:36<@caker>sup up i put an up in your clean so you can cleanup while you clean up
14:38<m0unds>haw haw
14:38<justin11>chack /var/log/apache
14:39<@akerl>cat /var/log/apache | grep *
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14:50<justin1987>cat: /var/log/apache: No such file or directory
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14:53<justin1987>cat: /var/log/apache: No such file or directory
14:53<@akerl>justin1987: You're gonna need to use a bit of intuition here
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14:58<GTAXL>justin1987, what OS?
14:59<justin1987>can you in SSH my linode please
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14:59<GTAXL>tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
14:59<GTAXL>then reload
15:00<GTAXL>then it should output the problem
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15:01<justin1987> GNU/Linux
15:01<GTAXL>I know that
15:01<GTAXL>but what distro did you use when you signed up?
15:01<GTAXL>If it's ubuntu, use the path I specified above.
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15:04<GTAXL>I have a customer to serve, so talk to you later. justin1987 if you need assistance, email me and I can fix your problem later. Bye.
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15:07<justin1987>GTAXL do u have skype?
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15:12<justin1987>[....] Restarting web server: apache2Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/example_user /public/] does not exist
15:12<dcraig>does that directory exist?
15:14<dcraig>it has a big space in it...
15:14<dcraig>you could create the directory or change your DocumentRoot to point to a directory that exists
15:16<gparent>Change example_user and to your user and domain name.
15:16<gparent>And remove the massive spacing.
15:16<dcraig>oh, I thought he had changed that to hide it from us...
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15:24<gparent>dcraig: That's my non-aggressive passive-aggressive way of saying that, yeah.
15:25<dcraig>you so silly
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15:33<justin1987>can you in SSH my linode please
15:34<dcraig>how would that teach you anything?
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15:37<justin1987>i need help please
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15:38<dcraig>change the DocumentRoot so it points to the location of your website files
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15:43<gparent>well hey
15:44<gparent>I get called because I was the best interview out of the pool, but that I`m not geting the job because they're giving it to someone who already did it
15:44<gparent>Not sure if I'm supposed to be happy, sad, or both.
15:45<justin1987>can you in SSH my linode please now
15:45<ks3>Sure, just paste the password here
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15:45<gparent>he probabl would
15:45<gparent>I changed mine to Hunter!3
15:45<gparent>Hashed, of course.
15:46<ks3>And salted, I'm sure
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15:46<gparent>I only use pepper so my passwords stay healthy.
15:46<Neal>i don't like salt
15:47<@caker>stan_theman uses strong usernames
15:48<gparent>linode bruteforce dictionary: c, l, aker
15:48<@stan_theman>the underscore makes it 9001 times more secure
15:48<ks3>Wow, that's over 9000!
15:49<dcraig>what are the restrictions on usernames in linux?
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15:51<gparent>from what I can gather on mailing lists you can use a SC2 player name generator and you`re good
15:51<dcraig>I used to think they had to be 8 characters or shorter, but this isn't really true anymore, apparently
15:51<linbot>New news from forum: Issuing reboot in StackScript in General Discussion <>
15:53<HoopyCat>dcraig: per useradd's man page, usernames may be no longer than 32 characters in length
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15:55<dcraig>I kinda wanted a tab character in my username :(
15:56<HoopyCat>dcraig: some people just like to watch the world burn
15:57<gparent>Others make it burn.
16:00<justin1987>ks3 i need help with setting up web servwe
16:00<EugeneKay>dcraig - >8 characters breaks things like `ps` output.
16:01<ks3>justin1987: What part? Already have apache / lighttpd installed?
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16:03<justin1987>ks3 i did install
16:03<dcraig>speaking of narrow things, I realized a few weeks ago that you can make the windows command prompt window wider than 80 characters!
16:03<ks3>justin1987: Then you'll have to be more specific about what part you need help with.
16:07<justin1987>ks3 The Apache error log may have more information. failed!
16:07<ks3>justin1987: Then I'd check the error log.
16:08<HoopyCat>dcraig: how?!!
16:08<dcraig>well you might try dragging the edge of the window, but no matter how hard you press down, it won't budge!
16:09<dcraig>but if you right click on the title bar, and then go to properties, and then go to the layout tab...
16:09<HoopyCat>god damn
16:09<HoopyCat>... you know what, that would be an excellent prank
16:10<justin1987>ks3 cat: /var/log/apache: No such file or directory
16:10<dcraig>prank people by making their window a resonable size?
16:10<HoopyCat>dcraig: make it... 79x23
16:11<ks3>justin1987: How about just running 'httpd -X' from a command prompt and see if it gives any more info?
16:12<dcraig>justin1987, maybe apache is trying to pull a fast one on you and putting your logs in /var/log/apache2
16:13<dcraig>and you can't cat a directory that way, but you can ls the heck out of it
16:14<dcraig>you can cat it if you add a /* to the end, but I wouldn't recommend that
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16:22<justin1987>ks3 Restarting web server: apache2Warning: DocumentRoot [/home/example_user/public/] does not exist
16:24<dcraig><dcraig> change the DocumentRoot so it points to the location of your website files
16:27<justin1987>how do u change the DocumentRoot so it points to the location of your website files
16:28<dcraig>did you follow some sort of guide when you set up apache?
16:28<dcraig>maybe you followed this guide?
16:29<dcraig>and maybe you need to just redo step 8 here...
16:29<dcraig>and step 7, too...
16:30<dcraig>unless you're actually hosting the website for, you need to modify some of the instructions they give you
16:30<dcraig>such as substituting your own domain name, etc.
16:31<dcraig>hey maybe you should consider Linode Managed
16:35<justin1987># domain:
16:37<justin1987># domain:
16:37*dcraig tickles justin1987 around a bit with a large black angelfish
16:38<justin1987>ks3 # domain:
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16:46<justin1987>dcraig sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/
16:47<dcraig>I suppose you can name that file, but wouldn't you rather name it something like
16:47<gparent>I really doubt your website is
16:48<gparent>That's owned by IANA I believe ATM.
16:48<dcraig>but yes, that file probably contains the DocumentRoot directive you'd need to edit
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17:21<bacon>Happy America Yeah! day.
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17:22<m0unds>just saw that hbo is showing john adams
17:22<m0unds>first few eps are pretty good
17:26<m0unds>there was a thing in cinefx a while back (i think that's where i saw it anyway) with all the different compositing passes the vfx people did for some of the scenes in john adams. pretty cool to see how much work they put into making it look as authentic as possible
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17:39<kyhwana_>oh hai jstr
17:39*jstr pending coffee
17:40<m0unds>mmm, coffee
17:40<kyhwana_>We lost water to most of the office building last week and now we only have enough pressure to make one coffee at a time
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17:49<m0unds>we had our main water feed break underground, pressurized water against a locked manhole cover and shot a jet of water like 50 ft in the air
17:50<m0unds>still had enough pressure to reach the upper floors in the building until they removed the manhole cover, and ended up losing enough pressure that water could only reach the third of 10 floors
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17:57<dcraig>so what's happened to the rate of coffee production in your building
17:57<m0unds>nothing, i was on the ground level
17:57<m0unds>we also don't have fancy coffee, just regular drip coffee
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17:58<dcraig>if you make too much coffee, does floor 3 lose water pressure?
17:58<m0unds>i wish
17:58<dcraig>why? you got something against them?
17:58<m0unds>sure do
17:58<m0unds>nah, i don't
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17:59<m0unds>i work as network admin for the surveillance department at a resort/casino, so floor 3 would be hotel guests
17:59<m0unds>it'd be inconvenient for them, but the resort general manager is a dickhead
17:59<m0unds>so it'd be funny if he was miserable
18:02<dcraig>maybe he would just start hanging out in your office
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18:05<dcraig>you could buy a linode and migrate him to the cloud
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18:06<m0unds>my eggdrop bot has better social skills
18:07<dcraig>did you install bmotion?
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18:15<m0unds>he's like 9 years old
18:15<m0unds>(the bot)
18:16<dcraig>is that in human years or bot years
18:17<m0unds>human years, bot years it's probably about 35
18:17<m0unds>maybe 40
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18:18<justi1987>dcraig sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-available/
18:19<dcraig>that might allow you to edit the appropriate DocumentRoot
18:20<dcraig>justi1987, is this on your linode?
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18:22<dcraig>did you know that resolves to an IP owned by comcast?
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18:29<GTAXL>I believe zapto is a DynDNS
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18:30<justin1987>how do u that resolves to an IP owned by comcast?
18:31<GTAXL>It's your home IP
18:31<dcraig>you just need to update the DNS entry to point at your linode
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18:32<justin1987>gtaxl i sended you email
18:32<GTAXL>I just got home
18:33<GTAXL>justin1987, consider buying a domain and get off DynDNS
18:34<justin1987>noip is free
18:35<kyhwana_>So, I assume everyones seen the IPMI thing?
18:38<GTAXL>That's mainly for dynamic IP's
18:38<GTAXL>Your Linode has a static IP
18:38<GTAXL>I guess if you had to, you could use that..
18:38<GTAXL> or you could get a .tk domain for free?
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18:45*qmr registers all the domains
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18:48<@qmr>they want $1000 for :\
18:48<justin1987>gtaxl Forward this domain or Use DNS or Build a new website with
18:50<dcraig>use dns!
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18:51<EugeneKay>kyhwana_ - and that's why you keep your IPMI port on a separate VLAN from anything public facing
18:51<EugeneKay>Along with everything else managementy
18:52<GTAXL>Use DNS
18:53<gparent>"In short, the authentication process for IPMI 2.0 mandates that the server send a salted SHA1 or MD5 hash of the requested user's password to the client, prior to the client authenticating."
18:53<gparent>how did no one notice this
18:53<EugeneKay>They did; they wrote it right into the spec. People are idiots.
18:53<gparent>The people writing the spec included.
18:53<EugeneKay>ergo, they're idiots.
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18:59<justin1987>GTAXL this IP address is not vailed
18:59<justin1987>GTAXL this IP address is not vaild
18:59<GTAXL>use your linode IP
18:59<GTAXL>set an A record
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19:01<justin1987>GTAXL my ip adress home internet
19:02<GTAXL>If you're hosting the website off your Linode, use your Linode IP
19:02<GTAXL>Anyway, I have to go for now, going to a fireworks show.
19:02<dcraig> the cloud!
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19:08<cafuego>if I want to have anagios check to see if the fremont DC is up, which host or IP should I be pinging?
19:08<cafuego> doesn't exist anymore it seems
19:09<gparent>I suppose the test server would work
19:09<dcraig>why not test your specific server in fremont?
19:09<cafuego>I am
19:10<EugeneKay>I would use the speedtest endpoint
19:10<cafuego>I also check connectivity *into* the DC so when that goes offline I don't also get 12,000 alerts for VMs.
19:10<dcraig>12,000 alerts is pretty impressive
19:11<EugeneKay>I've seen worse.
19:11<cafuego>EugeneKay: That'll do, cheers
19:11<EugeneKay>Don't ask why. :-(
19:12<kyhwana_>to be fair, the IPMI spec is pretty unreadable
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19:33<justin1987>GTAXL i did add
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19:44<TheMike>Is there a variable in nginx that tells me whether a request came over SSL?
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20:06<cafuego>TheMike: env var? internal to nginx?
20:06<TheMike>internal to nginx
20:06<TheMike>and it turns out there is $https
20:07<TheMike>but perhaps you can answer my next question
20:07<TheMike>I have quite a long content security policy for add-header - is there a way to break that up over several lines in the nginx config? Or maybe append to the existing value? I'd like to keep the file under 100 columns
20:09<cafuego>It seems you're allowed to use \r\n
20:11<TheMike>oh of course >.<
20:13<cafuego>I'm not going to read the RFC, but I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't just repeat the header
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20:26<justin1987>GTAXL While you are waiting for your e-mail to arrive, please download the
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21:38<linbot>New news from forum: How to set up an IRC server in General Discussion <>
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23:32<alx->i tried restoring a backup, but got Restore failed, 1766 troubled files DEBUG:
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23:53<alx->yeah just did
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.96071540, 0.73130208) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 435201 of 553826 (π ≈ 3.143232712079245 - 0.001640058489452). http://π
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