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---Logopened Tue Jul 30 00:00:32 2013
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00:05<poisonarms>Whoops, wrong chat
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00:06<gparent>no this is the proper channel for acid trips
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00:19<XReaper>poisonarms: gparent is 100% correct
00:20<XReaper>this is the proper channel for everything, except spam :)
00:20<@mmustac>listen to you gparents!
00:21<XReaper>my chair is more comfortable than my bed :o
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00:34<petey>so my linode says connection refused
00:34<petey>even though its urnning
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00:35<dwfreed>check iptables
00:35<kyhwana>petey: need more details
00:35<Gnewt><body onload="partyHard();" <-- that's my kind of html
00:35<dwfreed>that too
00:36<petey>what do you like to know
00:36<petey>i dont know what i can offer
00:36<dwfreed>IP address, port, service, what netstat -Wplant looks like, and what iptables -L -nv looks like
00:36<kyhwana>petey: oh, I dunno, how about what service/port you're trying to connect to? Your linodes IP?
00:36<petey>oh lol
00:36<kyhwana>iptables -L -nv output and netstat -plant.
00:37<petey> , using SSH port 22
00:37<petey>connection refused
00:37<retro|blah>!to petey lish
00:37<linbot>petey: LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
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00:37<kyhwana>petey: is it actually refused or does it time out?
00:37<petey>connection refused
00:38<kyhwana>well, login via lish and do the things we said
00:39<petey>workin on it
00:40<dwfreed>you may want to try allowing port 22 through your firewall
00:40<petey>how did it all of a sudden block?
00:40<petey>and how do i allow it?
00:40<retro|blah>Rule 1 of the input chain jumps to the fail2ban-ssh chain, and the only rule in fail2ban-ssh is a RETURn
00:40<kyhwana>ahh firewalls
00:41<petey>and *sigh* how do you know
00:41<kyhwana>petey: the same way you allowed port 80?
00:41<dwfreed>because I can read iptables output :)
00:41<petey>kyhwana i havent done anything to block it
00:41<dwfreed>you haven't done anything to allow it, either
00:41<kyhwana> 124K 5458K REJECT all -- * * reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
00:41<dwfreed>and you have a default block rule
00:41<kyhwana>^ You did that, with no accept rule for port 22 above it
00:42<petey>i just followed the linode tutorials
00:42<dwfreed>then you used the wrong port when allowing ssh
00:42<dwfreed>because you have this: 1 44 ACCEPT tcp -- * * state NEW tcp dpt:44444
00:42<dwfreed>which looks just like how the SSH port is specified in the guide
00:42<petey>but everything worked fine up until about an hour ago
00:42<kyhwana>petey: obviously not very well. You didn't add in the port 22 accept rule
00:42<petey>without changing anything in the iptables
00:43<dwfreed>so, either change your ssh port to 44444 (dumb), or change your firewall rules to use port 22 (smart)
00:43<petey>this linode has been running for weeks
00:43<kyhwana>petey: well obviously something changed.
00:43<dwfreed>that doesn't mean anything
00:43<petey>so how do i edit the friewall to port 22
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00:44<@mmustac>iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
00:44<gparent>the farwall*
00:44<dwfreed>mmustac: that won't work :)
00:44<retro|blah>the nearwall
00:44<kyhwana>I notice the "securing your server" library article doesn't say anything about ipv6
00:45*mmustac shows himself out, he don't know farwalls
00:45<kyhwana>so that lovely v4 firewall ruleset doesn't do jack on v6
00:45<dwfreed>petey: edit /etc/iptables.firewall.rules and change 44444 to 22
00:45<dwfreed>and then run iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.firewall.rules
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00:46<petey>do i type "run"
00:46<petey>or just iptables-restore
00:46<Gnewt>no run
00:46<Gnewt>'sidestep iptables-restore'
00:46<petey>no errors
00:46<Gnewt>'trip-over iptables-restore'
00:46<Gnewt>'awkward-shuffle iptables-restore'
00:46<dwfreed>petey: guess what? it works now
00:47<petey>my goodness it does!
00:47<petey>feels great
00:47<kyhwana>praise jesus
00:48<Gnewt>PRADE JEBUS
00:48<petey>Thanks guys
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00:49<kyhwana>stupid firewalls
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00:54*Gnewt praise Linode 4eva
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01:41<dkam>Anyone having connective issues between Tokyo and Fremont?
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01:43<mason_>Hi I have a question do you support funtoo linux I was told you do?
01:47<dwfreed>not directly, but you can install it if you want
01:47<dwfreed>dkam: can you get MTR reports?
01:47<kyhwana>dkam: nope. mtr?
01:48<dkam>MTR submitted in a job already
01:48<dwfreed>mason_: funtoo is basically gentoo with some modifications; you could try taking an existing gentoo install and turning it into funtoo, or you can do an install from finnix; as it's linux, it'll work
01:48<kyhwana>pastebin a link?
01:48<kyhwana>(for me it craps out at kddis intl-gw)
01:50<dwfreed>yeah, we're aware of the issue, and are working with KDDI to get it fixed
02:04<XReaper>dwfreed: that's interesting
02:08<@rohara>I don't think "interesting" is the correct word :(
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02:10<XReaper>luckily telstra has awesome peering with KDDI or i'd have no access right now :(
02:10<XReaper>...ok i take that back
02:13<XReaper>o.O 700-800ms pings to my linode from aus
02:13<dwfreed>welcome to australia
02:13<dkam>Access from iiNet is fine too.
02:13<XReaper>dwfreed: ... Guess what.
02:13<XReaper>dwfreed: There is 600ms just in TOKYO
02:15<XReaper>this doesn't look right
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02:15<XReaper>dkam: iiNet either uses hurricane electric or telstra
02:16<XReaper>so yeah... can often go through fremont
02:16<dcraig>if you add -w to your mtr, the hostnames won't all be cut off
02:16<XReaper>my mtr is from equinix in syd
02:17<XReaper>irc seems fine... weird
02:21<dkam>Looks like we're back in action.
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02:22<marbar>hey dudes~!
02:22<marbar>how is everyone today?
02:23<marbar>hello Nightmare
02:23<Nightmare>i'm ok
02:23<XReaper>dkam: I have 500ms pings now, marginally better :P
02:23<dkam>It's enough for git pull ;-)
02:23<marbar>i mean, heha
02:23<marbar>hey, has anyone here ever gotten a domain name from
02:24<XReaper>i use gandi and dynadot myself
02:24<XReaper>and some random australian one for my .au's
02:24<marbar>i see
02:25<marbar>well, i registered a domain name with aiso, and now i'm trying to point it at my linode, but i can't find anywhere to enter the ip address
02:25<marbar>i'm pretty dumb when it comes to dns
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02:25<marbar>yeah, right?
02:26<XReaper>should be the option to delegate dns to say... linodes nameservers
02:26<marbar>yeah, i tried entering linode's name servers
02:26<marbar>but it gave me a strange error
02:26<@jcurry>like what?
02:30<Peng>It ought to be possible to write a linbot plugin that would update the topic with the latest blog post.
02:31<linbot>New news from status: Tokyo Connectivity Issues <>
02:31<XReaper>ugh. dropped out of an idlerpg
02:31<XReaper>screw you kddi!
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02:35<eagles>hey guys im not clear how do the node balancers work? are they like clustering nodes together in the sense that you have everythign replicated between the nodes which are being node balanced~?
02:35<dwfreed>the nodebalancer just loadbalances TCP and HTTP connections to your backend Linodes
02:36<dwfreed>it does no synchronization of data between your backends
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02:37<XReaper>it does not terminate ssl connections either
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02:38<Peng>no, really
02:38<eagles>so basically then i would need to setup rsync for that
02:38<Peng>That's one option, yes.
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02:39<marbar>jcurry: found it: Registry error, domain's nameservers not updated [Object status prohibits operation]
02:39<eagles>Peng: what would you recommend for a high availability setup
02:39<marbar>seems to be a thing:
02:41<Peng>eagles: I'm afraid I don't have an opinion.
02:41<eagles>no problem Peng :)
02:42<XReaper>oh man, 600-700ms pings!
02:42<eagles>XReaper: way to break it
02:42<dwfreed>XReaper: the highest I'm getting is 250 from London<->Tokyo
02:43<XReaper>, a KDDI ip ... is where it gets slow
02:44<XReaper>as above
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02:44*XReaper does a reverse one
02:45<XReaper> weird
02:45<XReaper>going backwards shows more
02:46<dwfreed>asymmetric routing, man
02:46<XReaper>dwfreed: is another KDDI ip.. but where is it? :P
02:46<Peng>but not equally hot in both directions
02:47<Peng>XReaper: the moon
02:47<Peng><- helpful
02:47<XReaper>must be
02:47*XReaper gives Peng a gold star sticker
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02:49<shane_davidson>hey all.
02:50<Ikaros>Obscenely long hostname.
02:50<shane_davidson>lol. I know. I'm just configuring this thing.
02:50<Nightmare>Ikaros: You should see's hostnames :-p
02:50<dwfreed>Ikaros: that's rogers for you
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02:50<Ikaros>I have seen them.
02:51<dwfreed>XReaper: short
02:51*XReaper_HOME slaps Ikaros with his hostname
02:51<Peng>06:50:45 [OFTC] -!- Peng []
02:51<Ikaros>Rogers is also the bitchiest in terms of usage policies.
02:51<Peng>At least two opers have threatened me. I win.
02:51<XReaper>dwfreed: hah
02:51<dwfreed>Peng: weak
02:51<Ikaros>At least
02:51<Ikaros>That's what I hear from fellow users of them
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02:51<shane_davidson>I don't own this connection. I'm just borrowing office spac and couch space while I play the game of find my own space.
02:52<XReaper>damnit i don't have any stupidly long rdnses
02:52<Ikaros>Nono, we're just ranting randomly, nothing about you, lol
02:52*dwfreed goes to set one
02:52<Ikaros>If you set one even longer I will stab you over the internet.
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02:52<XReaper>hmm, lvm utilities aren't scanning my luks block device
02:53<shane_davidson>dumb question time. anyone experienced enough with bash scripting to help a newb come up with something that doesn't suck to perform some fun maintenance I'm to lazy to do manually?
02:53<shane_davidson>because bash scripting and chron jobs are so the way to go. lollts.
02:54<XReaper>this mtr looks better
02:54<Ikaros>Bash scripting...I'm not a total pro with it but I've written fair shares of such to help automate some of my tasks.
02:54<XReaper>damnit forgot the -4 flag
02:54<shane_davidson>is there an easier way for us to gab? so we're not plugging up the channel/
02:55<Peng>shane_davidson: The channel has room.
02:55<Ikaros>Well you can always ask here, everyone does tend to shush up when a user needs assistance
02:55<Ikaros>(and focus I mean)
02:55<shane_davidson>basically, here's the jist of what this thing needs to do.
02:56<eagles>any rsync experts here?
02:56<kyhwana>eagles: "man rsync"
02:56<eagles>kyhwana: im on there but i have some questions
02:57<kyhwana>Than you'll never know unless you ask them, now won't you?
02:57<Ikaros>In the meantime I will patiently wait
02:58<shane_davidson>every about 30 minutes my moo server,checkpoints itself, dumping to a database, we'll call it linode.db for simplicity sake. now, because I'm a horder and love my backups, every 35 minutes, giving time for the checkpoint to run, a I'd like a cron to execute, running a bash script, copying the checkpointed database to a backups dir, naming it linode_MMDDYYYY_HHMM.db (aquiring the information
02:58<shane_davidson>for MMDDYYYY_HHMM from the last modified properties on the newly dump created linode.db
02:58*kyhwana slaps shane_davidson "Use ISO8601
02:59*Ikaros slaps kyhwana "DON'T SCARE PEOPLE"
02:59<dwfreed>now to wait for the rDNS to show up
02:59<Ikaros>I think he's free to use whatever format he feels like.
03:00<kyhwana>shane_davidson: sounds more like you just want a bunch of cronjobs
03:00<XReaper>Peng: need more dots
03:00<Peng>need more iso 8601
03:00<XReaper>Peng: include a uuid along with the ip :p
03:00<Peng>XReaper: You can if you want to. I like being alive.
03:00<shane_davidson>but wouldn't it make more sense to combine the entire sets of what have you's into a bash script and ran just under one cronjob? I'm totally knew at this bash thing.
03:01<XReaper>Peng: you sure?
03:01<shane_davidson>but not knew at server administration.
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03:01<Ikaros>So from what I understand, you want a bash script executed via cron, that will take that dumped database, copy it to a seperate directory, and rename it as such that the name reflects the last time said file was modified.
03:01<eagles>my question about rsync is if its possible to have it output to screen any files that have the same name but differ in size to be approved be for synced. What I am thinking probably use rsync to sync and then have diff do a file comparison
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03:01<eagles>any thoughts and suggestions
03:01<shane_davidson>Ikaros. you would be correct.
03:02<Peng>eagles: rsync -n ?
03:02<Peng>eagles: confirm that on the man page
03:02<Ikaros>You'd probably want to obtain the last modified before moving the file anywhere, to start.
03:02<shane_davidson>I've never written something like this. :d
03:02<Peng>rsync also checks the mtime
03:02<eagles>Peng: that just does a dry run
03:02<eagles>im waiting on access to some testing machines then ill need to get scripting
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03:03<eagles>Peng: turns out there is an itemize-changes option :)
03:03<Ikaros>Yeah I know, you said you're new at bash shell scripting, I'm getting to that.
03:03<Peng>eagles: Yes, that does a dry run. That's what you want, no? After checking things out, you can run rsync again without -n. Hopefully nothing will have changed in the meantime.
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03:03<Ikaros>I'm laying out the concept first
03:03<linbot>New news from status: RESOLVED - Tokyo Connectivity Issues <>
03:03<shane_davidson>okay. :)
03:04<eagles>Peng: :) yep you are correct
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03:04<Ikaros>The very first thing you'll want your script to do, is to ensure the file you want to move exists first. There's a pretty easy way to do that with bash scripting.
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03:06<shane_davidson>Ikaros your correct with the theoretical concepts on what I'm attempting to make this thing do.
03:06<Ikaros>But first thing (and first line), your bash script will need, is what's called a 'shebang', or essentially a line that says what binary is to execute the script.
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03:07<Ikaros>To have a script be executed and parsed by bash, that line would be something like this: #!/bin/bash
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03:08<Ikaros>You'd probably also want to set a variable to hold the (full) filesystem path to the checkpoint database file.
03:09<dwfreed>damn, my rDNS is too long
03:10<dwfreed>damn, limit is 63 :(
03:11<dwfreed>I can still beat peng, though
03:11<XReaper>isn't 63 a dns limitation
03:11<XReaper>linode ptr limitation?
03:11<dwfreed>ircd limitation
03:11<XReaper>i see
03:12<dwfreed>!dns6 PTR
03:12<shane_davidson>Ikaros should we also create a varriable that holds the last modified time and one to hold the path to the backup directory?
03:12<dwfreed>that's what I wanted to use, but it's too long
03:12<Ikaros>It does simplify thing.
03:12<shane_davidson>or am I making things more complicated then necessary.
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03:13<Ikaros>Ok, so here's what we have so far - you'll first need your shebang line, likely just #!/bin/bash, as line 1.
03:13*eagles slap dwfreed really
03:13<Peng>XReaper: I think DNS limits you to ~63 per label -- each part between dots -- and ~255 total.
03:13<Ikaros>Then after that, we'll want a variable to hold the path to the checkpoint database.
03:13<dwfreed>oftc limits you to 63 total
03:13<dwfreed>and peng is at 62
03:14<dwfreed>but I can still beat it!~
03:14<Ikaros>So something like DBFILE='/full/path/to/database.db'
03:14<Peng>dwfreed: But much above 40 and you risk death.
03:14<dwfreed>I already risk death every time I get out of bed
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03:15<@rohara>I woke up yesterday, why do I have to do it again today...
03:15<Ikaros>Also I think there's no place to complain about rDNS, certainly not theirs. DNS is DNS.
03:15<Ikaros>And yes I said it.
03:15<Ikaros>So there
03:15<Peng>Ikaros: What?
03:15<@rohara>RDNS = Racist DNS?
03:15<XReaper>rohara: yes
03:15<Ikaros>Back to what I was working on
03:16*XReaper helps Ikaros
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03:16<shane_davidson>I just noticed it ends with .new. lol. but that's not huge and tweeking the rename to punch off the .new ext leaving it as filename_date_time.db in the backup dir. sorry. it's what happens when I go validating pathes and punch it into the script.
03:17<Ikaros>Well ok, next thing is to just stick a conditional in there after that.
03:18<hawk>Peng, XReaper: Yes, 255 octets in the wire format (means 253 in text format if you count the dots) / 63 per label.
03:18<Ikaros>Now if you want to just check for file existence and execute your file move/rename operation if true, or if you would rather just have it check if it doesn't exist and merely exit before anything gets executed, is up to you.
03:18<Ikaros>But I'm going to continue in the latter case.
03:18<Peng>hawk: "count the dots"?
03:19<Peng>hawk: Which dots? The root ("") and what else?
03:19<hawk>Peng: Yes, the delimiters used in the text representation. You know "." :P
03:19<Ikaros>To keep things simple and easy to understand
03:19<shane_davidson>works for me.
03:19<Ikaros>And the way I've done it (I know there's other ways, so nobody go hating on me here), is to start a line like so (assuming you use the variable name DBFILE):
03:19<dwfreed>now to wait until the next rDNS update run
03:19<Ikaros>if [ ! -e $DBFILE ] ; then
03:21<Ikaros>That takes the full path you specified in the variable beforehand, and tests it to see if it does not exist (the '! -e' specifies 'if file does not exist')
03:21<shane_davidson>e would be equal to error?
03:21<shane_davidson>ah ha.
03:22<Ikaros>Though I will point out here
03:22<dwfreed>Ikaros: you could also do if ! [ -e $DBFILE ]; then
03:22<dwfreed>yay bash
03:22<Ikaros>Yeah, you could do that too.
03:22<Ikaros>But anyway
03:22*XReaper bashes bash
03:22<hawk>Peng: Wire format is <length>label<length>label ending with the empty label (0 followed by nothing). So, I guess I should have said "count the dots, except the trailing dot if it exists".
03:23<Peng>hawk: @_@
03:23<Peng>Okay, I'm too tired to figure out what you said. I'll tick with "~255".
03:23<XReaper> works in good browsers
03:23<XReaper>bad browsers break the spec
03:24<Ikaros>Whichever way you want to start your 'if' conditional, is your choice - both mean the same thing. The line below that, can be anything you want - you can simply have it exit with a 'exit' command, or you might choose to have it spit a message out then exit.
03:24<Peng>There was an URL shortener, http://to./
03:24<Peng>http://to/ tended to make browsers unhappy.
03:24<Ikaros>For simplicity sake, for now we'll just have it exit.
03:24<shane_davidson>to then then follow it with exit or is there a specific command to make it die.
03:25<Ikaros>'exit' in a shell script tells bash to do just that - exit the script.
03:25<Ikaros>Right there.
03:25<shane_davidson>so the line would look like... DBFILE='/home/moo/'
03:25<shane_davidson>if [ ! -e $DBFILE ] ; then exit
03:25<shane_davidson>oops. lol
03:25<shane_davidson>let's try that again
03:25<Ikaros>Don't paste
03:26<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
03:26<dwfreed>^ nicer place to put them
03:26<dwfreed>makes them easier to read, too
03:27<shane_davidson>if [ ! -e $DBFILE ] ; then exit
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03:27<Ikaros>Not exactly.
03:27<Ikaros>That's correct for the most part.
03:27<Ikaros>But you need to close conditional blocks too
03:27<Ikaros>So like this:
03:27<Ikaros>if [ ! -e $DBFILE ] ; then exit; fi
03:28<Ikaros>See how that works?
03:28<hawk>Peng: I'm just saying that compared to the text representation you lose one more byte "at the beginning" and if you didn't have a trailing dot you lose one more "at the end". Eg [7]example[3]com[0]
03:28<Ikaros>'if' conditionals need to have a matching 'fi' (which is 'if' backwards)
03:28<shane_davidson>it does. lines *must* end w/semicolons? in this case?
03:28<shane_davidson>or is the semi just a closer and not a line break.
03:29<dwfreed>; is a replacement for a linebreak
03:29<dwfreed>the only time you absolutely need to use a semicolon when you're using linebreaks already is in case statements
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03:30<Ikaros>So there, you have your first chunk of bash script - the first initial check to make sure the file's there before anything else is attempted.
03:30<shane_davidson>are spaces important? in the line Ikaros provided had spaces in strange places when I stuck it into my notes as the example.
03:30<dwfreed>not necessarily
03:30<dwfreed>depends on context
03:31<shane_davidson>i fthen statement there were spaces around the brackets [] and before the ;
03:31<XReaper>try python
03:31<dwfreed>you can do this: if [-e $DBFILE];then exit;fi
03:31<XReaper>spaces MATTER
03:31<dwfreed>but that's pretty unreadable
03:31<shane_davidson>ok. :)
03:32<Ikaros>I just put spaces in because it's easier for me to read while I'm scripting things.
03:33<shane_davidson>now I understand. so what do we do with the fi do, Ikaros? and spaces make sense, as I'm a blind administrator, spaces make the speech and the braille I use to read the output just that little bit easier to parce. :)
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03:33<Ikaros>You mean after you've done your conditional test.
03:33<XReaper>shane_davidson: you can do your entire bash script in two lines :)
03:33<Ikaros>Yes, you can, but shush for a sec
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03:34<shane_davidson>yup. you put fi and then we got onto the discussion of spacing
03:34<Ikaros>I take it with you knowing administration, you know about the 'stat' command?
03:35<shane_davidson>I know about it, but most of my admin fun comes from small hobby projects like this, my primary servers are webmin and /kill me right now/ cpanel. but CPanel pays the bills, so you bite the bullet.
03:35<shane_davidson>note me and CPanel have this love hate relationship. we've had it since 2006. lol.
03:36<eagles>shane_davidson: there is a free alternative to crap panel
03:36<eagles>ispcp is quite good and ispconfig3 as well
03:37<shane_davidson>I'd need to deploy a test env to play with that before I run it up the chain of command to the board for approval. I'd better have solid evidence it can do what cpanel/whm does to a t or I'm gonna get told no. because the customers'll whine and complain and the hatrid. lol.
03:38<shane_davidson>now back to bash. Ikaros. :) sorry for the tangint.
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03:39<Ikaros>Ok, now we move on to obtaining that last modification time and using that in our renamed file.
03:39<XReaper>woo my linode is on 3.9.5
03:39<Ikaros>Two ways you can do that.
03:39<Ikaros>One is by using the stat command, the other, using the date command.
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03:40<shane_davidson>what's the simplist of the two?
03:40<Ikaros>Well not a matter of simplicity, but rather what gets it done the right way.
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03:40<shane_davidson>stat shows a change line so that would make sense. to use stat.
03:41<Ikaros>For what you need though
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03:41<Ikaros>You'd probably want the date command's -r switch and its format parameters
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03:41<shane_davidson>looks like date -r filename spits back what I need. I just ran it on the command line.
03:43<shane_davidson>if I'm getting ahead. I'm sorry. :)
03:44<Ikaros>Just as an example
03:44<Ikaros>Here's what you can run. I had to confirm myself first before I gave you this, but this should give you the date string you want
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03:45<Ikaros>ryan@bdikaros:~$ date -r /home/ryan/testscript +%m%d%Y_%H%M -> that will give you something like this: 07302013_0231
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03:47<shane_davidson>I se that. and it looks like it does.
03:47<Ikaros>Tell you what, let me finish up on my test script here, and I'll screenshot my SSH window to show you what I have.
03:48<shane_davidson>screenshots don't give informatoin to a totally blind sysadmin. :) can you textlog?
03:48<Ikaros>That too
03:48<shane_davidson>I think Ikaros needs another dose of coffee.
03:48<Ikaros>Well it is 3 in the morning
03:49<shane_davidson>it's nearly 4AM here. and I've got appointments today? yup, today's gonna be brought to you in part by coffee.
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04:00<shane_davidson>Ikaros. ack in a sec. I need a drink.
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04:02<shane_davidson>Ikaros. back.
04:04<Ikaros>Here you go
04:05<Ikaros>I don't think it's bad for a quick slap-together, but it should work for what you need.
04:08<Ikaros>The key things to notice are where I go to get the last modification date in the format you needed it in, and how I used that in the filename.
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04:10<Ikaros>You know already that the '-r' switch to the date command tells date to show the date/time the given file was last modified. But do you see how I managed to assign that to the value of $MODDATE?
04:12<Ikaros>That was done using the backtick operator - you enclose a command between two backticks, the shell executes it as a command, and the given variable is set to the command output.
04:13<eagles>hey guys with diff is it possible to diff a local file to a remote file on a different server?
04:13<dwfreed>no, but you can with vimdiff
04:14<dwfreed>well, I suppose you could use bash redirection
04:14<dwfreed>diff localfile <(ssh remotehost cat remotefile)
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04:15<shane_davidson>let's see if it executes. lol.
04:15<Ikaros>It should.
04:15<Ikaros>I wouldn't have posted it had I not tested it myself. :P
04:16<Ikaros>But yeah, if that ends up doing what you need it to, stick it in a crontab, set it up to run every half hour, and let 'er fly.
04:17<Ikaros>Anyway, you understand the mechanics of that script for the most part?
04:18<shane_davidson>only thing we forgot is the .new is the checkpoint and the final backpu should only be .db I think I can wack something together with this as my little example to make it work, unless you have a dirty fix i don't have ot test. :). I learn by example and comments, oh my an admin that loves comments, yay!
04:18<Ikaros>Well no, I didn't forget that. I left it so you can customize both paths as you need it to.
04:19<shane_davidson>ah ha. ok. so let's see if it'll run. lol.
04:19<Ikaros>Just change the strings after DBFILE= and BACKUPPATH= to suit what you need
04:20<Ikaros>Just be careful with BACKUPPATH in that you don't mess with the $MODDATE part, that's the important thing you need.
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04:29<shane_davidson>I hate when bash scripts refuse to spit back what's wrong. it's not erroring out but it's also not backing up. lol.
04:30<Ikaros>Well the script by itself doesn't output.
04:30<Ikaros>Unless the backup file does not exist.
04:30<Ikaros>Which is tested after the fact.
04:30<shane_davidson>it existed once. lol. I made it run once. lol.
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04:30<dwfreed>add 'set -x' to the start of the script, just below the #! line
04:31*Ikaros facepalms
04:31<dwfreed>set -x turns on debug mode, making the script tell you everything it's doing :)
04:31<Ikaros>Yeah. There you go
04:31<dwfreed>really useful for this kind of debugging
04:31<Ikaros>I might be getting too drowsy to be too much more reliable.
04:31<dwfreed>sleep is for the weak
04:32<Ikaros>Considering the fact I'm still a little sick, sleep is what I SHOULD be doing.
04:32<Peng>humans are weak
04:32<shane_davidson>so just type set x and save?
04:32<Ikaros>set -x
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04:33<Ikaros>I do hate to take off suddenly...but considering my overall condition right now, I think I'm near my limit. I hope the script I gave you does give you a basis to work with at the very least.
04:36*Nightmare feeds Ikaros some hot tea and milk simulaneously.
04:36<shane_davidson>will this thing iverwrite during the afternoon? or does date -r spit out 24HR formatting and I won't lose backups.
04:37<dwfreed>it's 24 hour time
04:39<dwfreed>you can test this by using touch to set the last modified time to a specific time in the afternoon
04:40<shane_davidson>26 and 56 past the hour in cron. I know */min val specifies every x minutes. but for specific times past the hour. no, I don't have a web interface to be lazy. so it's chrontab -e all the way.
04:41<dwfreed>nothing wrong with crontab -e
04:41<shane_davidson>I know. some people just kinda live by web. I'm like get outta here. lol. :)
04:42*dwfreed lives in the command line
04:42<dwfreed>I'm the # character you see at the end of the root prompt
04:42<Peng>I'm ~
04:42<shane_davidson>I'd use */35 for every 35 minutes, but since i know when it creates the file, it makes sense to specify the time past the hour. I just don't remember and I'm so sleepy I can't find it, how to specify these to times past each hour, every hour every day, etc. etc. etc. :)
04:43<dwfreed>Peng: you go away far too often
04:43<shane_davidson>but you know he loves you, right? loltz
04:43<dwfreed>shane_davidson: 26,56 in the first column, and *'s in all the rest
04:44<dwfreed>makes it run at 26 and 56 past the hour, every hour, every day, every week, every month :)
04:44<shane_davidson>so 26,56 * * * * * /full/path/to/scriptfile.ext?
04:45<dwfreed>if this is in /etc/crontab, one of the columns specifies the user the script runs as
04:46<Ikaros>Ok, quicky shower, refreshed...also quick note, binaries and scripts in Linux don't need extensions. It can *HAVE* them, but they're not required. It ain't Windows. :P
04:46<Ikaros>Good night :D
04:47<shane_davidson>crontab -e your using vim? seriously? now you need to make me figure out how to fix that because nano's better.
04:48<Ikaros>It's whatever's default for your distro
04:48<hawk>shane_davidson: It uses whatever your default editor is
04:48<Ikaros>It's changeable.
04:48<shane_davidson>um, cent OS 6X latest distro linod e had in the deployable list of images.
04:49<Ikaros>But anyway, I'd walk you through, but sleep I lack lots. So. Night. Hope what I was able to give you helped.
04:51<shane_davidson>it did. I just need to get the cron in here and this damn thing's using vim. and vim and screen readers don't get along.
04:52<Nightmare>dwfreed: so if you're the #, then if I sleep in front of my computer with a root shell open does that mean you watch me while i sleep?
04:53<hawk>'EDITOR=nano crontab -e' as a quick fix... then consider exporting that in your profile or something (or however rhel/clones normally deal with it)
04:54<dwfreed>Nightmare: I guess
04:54<shane_davidson>ok, basic admin 101failure from over here, where do I that actually didn't work. it still brought up the default. anda ~ sign
04:54<shane_davidson>I'll just to this cron this way. lol.
04:57<hawk>shane_davidson: Really? Did you do exactly that, then? (case is important)
05:02<eagles>there is some really wonky vi on this os
05:03<hawk>The wonkier the better
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05:03<dwfreed>willy wonka and the chocolate factory?
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05:06<eagles>hawk: its aix unix
05:07<hawk>eagles: Sounds promising in terms of wonkosity
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05:08<eagles>hawk: haha
05:08<eagles>im tryign to get used to vi on it
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05:09<eagles>i cant script like this
05:10<eagles>sigh :(
05:11<dwfreed>install the latest version of vim, or work locally and sftp it up
05:11<hawk>eagles: No fancy new stuff, I gather? Strictly hjkl navigation too?
05:11<XReaper>eagles: use vim
05:11<dwfreed>they just released vim 7.4 beta a few days ago
05:11<dwfreed>not vi, vim
05:12<eagles>humm question is is it installed
05:13<hawk>eagles: Of course not, that would be heresy!
05:13<eagles>i think this is a vm which isnt very well specced i think that is where the bottle neck is
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05:14<Ikaros>Ok, screw sleep, apparently I can't find the right spot or something.
05:15<Ikaros>...also can I go one page of scrollback without seeing a 'lulz' :x
05:20<eagles>i hate regex :(
05:20<eagles>that stuff does my head in
05:21<Peng>Ikaros: yes -- using /ignore!
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05:27<hawk>eagles: y u no like regex? :(
05:29<eagles>CONFUSING THATS Y
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05:54<eagles>this is goign to be fun learning the korn shell
05:55<Ikaros>So wow, apparently, this occurred Saturday night/Sunday morning, and I'm just now reading it...but Dallas (and the nation) lost a radio icon.
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06:07<eagles>*paces back and forth*
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06:09<@rohara>Just fly around in circles, you're an eagle.
06:10<Ikaros>Ok, going to make a script, intercept that text, and block it from display to me.
06:10<Ikaros>Just that text.
06:10<eagles>rohara: lol. im at work lol
06:11<@rohara>Isn't your job to catch rodents and represent freedom?
06:11<Ikaros>I was just reading this, and it broke my heart. I had been sick so I'd not been watching TV, listening to the radio, or any of it was a shock to read it, because this was a guy I usually woke up to every morning.
06:11<@rohara>Was he your boyfriend...?
06:11<Ikaros>This was posted the evening of July 27th: "Tragic news coming in this evening that longtime 106.1 Kiss-FM KHKS Dallas and nationally syndicated morning host David “Kidd” Kraddick passed away this evening at the age of 53."
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06:12<Ikaros>Reportedly...brain aneurysm
06:13<XReaper>real cause: he realised he wasn't gay and broke up with Ikaros
06:14<Ikaros>RIP, indeed...this dude was a radio icon here. Not just for his witty morning show on 106.1, but also for his contributions outside of radio.
06:15<Ikaros>He died doing what he loved to do best, and he'll be missed. As for the morning show itself, the current plan is to do just replays of moments from his show - the rest of his morning show crew has taken off for mourning.
06:16*XReaper slaps his lvm
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06:23<eagles>XReaper: lvm ftw
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07:16<kyhwana>I thought nginx was a web server, not a renderer
07:17<Ikaros>Well you already know what it is, there's no question right
07:19<hawk>Ikaros: Are you suggesting that the guy in the forum is wrong?!
07:19<Ikaros>I'm not suggesting anything.
07:19<eagles>lol kyhwana it is a web server
07:19<Ikaros>GOD. FOR. SAKEN. STOP IT
07:20<kyhwana>eagles: how can it render html then!?
07:20<Ikaros>Also I think the term was misused.
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07:20<eagles>kyhwana: im agreeing with ikaros probably mis used terminology
07:21<Ikaros>The web server just answers the request and serves up the requested document to the browser, if valid. Rendering is done by the browser.
07:22<Ikaros>So I think perhaps what this guy meant was it's not doing what it's supposed to do
07:23<eagles>Ikaros: you have to take into account as well what code potentially its written for browser wise in terms of cscs
07:25<vodka>I'm sure the poor guy is just looking for
07:26<Ikaros>I suppose that's a good point.
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07:34*Peng hits all of you
07:34*Ikaros stabs Peng
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07:36<Gagan>hi all!! - Any Mail Server Experts here ? I'm looking for a Cost effective email solution to host around 200 User acros 5-6 multiple domains- all hosted on 1 single VPS
07:37<Gagan>Mailserver is easy, but I'm concerend about effective Free AntiSpam options that will really work good and Learn from USer experience, Plus how to have MAIL PUSH support free of charge
07:37<XReaper>I'd host it on more than one if it were me
07:37<XReaper>aah, right
07:39<Gagan>sure XReaper --one the system is in place, matured enough, I will span it across 3 different geo servers. But first I need to set it up -- get the user experience and then move on for scalabality and Backup scenario
07:40<XReaper>isn't push some stupid apple tech
07:40<Peng>Gagan: Building in scalability from the start may be easier than retrofitting it on afterwards.
07:41<XReaper>start off with at least two 1G linodes
07:42<Gagan>ok! -- what you suggest for antispam
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08:00<jbw>telnet 443
08:00<jbw>Trying 2607:f0d0:2101:df:50::1...
08:00<jbw>any idea why this is resolving to an ipv6 address ?
08:00<Peng>Why wouldn't it?
08:00<linbot>Peng: 2607:f0d0:2101:df:50::1,
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08:01<jbw>something changed, i'm not sure what
08:01<jbw>but the hostname has started coming back with an ipv6 address
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08:02<jbw>if it's zencoder has done this, then any idea why i can't connect via the ipv6 address?
08:02<jbw>is there something i need to do to my linode to make ipv6 work (i tried it with a flushed iptables) ?
08:02<Peng>iptables is irrelevant to IPv6, since IPv6 uses ip6tables
08:03<Peng>jbw: Are you sure IPv6 doesn't work at all? ping6
08:03<hawk>jbw: Unless it's something on your end it sounds like a question you need to ask them rather than us.
08:03<jbw>that works
08:03<jbw>le sigh
08:03<dwfreed>zencoder's v6 is broken
08:03<jbw>i guess it's something on their end then
08:03<dwfreed>Peng: which mtr is yours?
08:04<Peng>dwfreed: Yes.
08:04<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr-atlanta] 12.|-- ??? 100.0 3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -- see for full mtr
08:04<dwfreed>see that ^^^
08:04<Peng>Heh, I was just running the same thing in a shell in Atlanta. :P
08:04<jbw>so before i go whine at them, it's not possible it's a linode issue ? :)
08:05<dwfreed>it's broken from this shell, which is not related to linode in anyway
08:05<dwfreed>s/anyway/any way/
08:06<Peng>What the hell... I tried another ISP, and has no AAAA records from its point of view.
08:06<hawk>Peng: That's very strange
08:07<dwfreed>Peng: maybe getting different DNS response?
08:07<dwfreed> is a CNAME to
08:07<dwfreed>here, anyway
08:07<dwfreed>soa says AWS is their DNS host
08:07<Peng> 558 IN A
08:08<Peng>from Rackspace. (That's the same IP it CNAMEs to from Linode.)
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08:08<eagles>Peng: could it be that the other isp's dns doesnt support ipv6
08:09<hawk>Peng: Well, what did you do? An A lookup? AAAA lookup?
08:09<dwfreed>Rackspace supports v6
08:09<hawk>Peng: Considering the A record it sounds more like an A lookup?
08:10<Peng>hawk: Yes, that was an A query. Since there were no AAAA records, pasting that query seemed boring. :P
08:11<dwfreed>Peng: it's interesting that you're not getting a CNAME
08:11*Peng nods
08:11<dwfreed>might be a cached old record
08:11<Peng>eagles: 1.) IPv6 connectivity and querying for AAAA records are orthogonal. 2.) Rackspace's DNS servers are dual-stack.
08:11<dwfreed>their TTL was in the 3000s for the CNAME I got, so it may be a very recent change
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08:12<Peng>From Rackspace: 86400 IN SOA 2008010481 43200 3600 1209600 180
08:12<dwfreed>that's why
08:12<dwfreed> is run by AWS here
08:12<staticsafe>aye from my personal resolver as well
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08:12<Peng>Rackspace's resolvers must have old NS records.
08:12<staticsafe>cache \o/
08:13<dwfreed>and of course, delegation NS records have TTLs of 172800
08:13<Peng>Obviously ZenCoder is not following DNS migration best practices. :D
08:13*dwfreed goes back to writing this bug comment
08:13<Peng>* Or they're being sensible and didn't care about fixing one AAAA record on their old DNS servers.
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08:14<Peng>Especially since the IP is broken!
08:14<Peng>I'm sorry, I didn't expect I would turn this conversation into a Rackspace DNS odyssey. I guess it's valuable that we learned ZenCoder is also doing a DNS migration, though.
08:15<dwfreed>Peng: .com says that AWS should be authoritative, not dnsmadeeasy
08:15<staticsafe>aye +trace shows that
08:15<dwfreed>so we're getting the right AAAA records :)
08:15*Peng nods
08:16<dwfreed>so this: 2013-07-30 12:13:56 < Peng> * Or they're being sensible and didn't care about fixing one AAAA record on their old DNS servers. <- is wrong :)
08:18<Peng>Oh. That's not what I meant.
08:18<XReaper>Your face is wrong
08:19<Peng>It's a reasonable interpretation of what I *said*, but that's different. :D
08:19<eagles>lol so much love in here lol
08:20<Peng>I meant that zencoder wasn't following best practices, since they're serving different DNS records from their old and new DNS servers, but that if the only consequence was a missing (and broken!) AAAA record, that's not unreasonable.
08:20<Peng>I knew that dnsmadeeasy was the "old" one and aws was the "new" one
08:21<dwfreed>I interpreted fixing as 'removing'
08:22<dwfreed>thus the confusion
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08:23<Peng>I meant fixing as "adding". Close enough. :D
08:23<Peng>tomato, tomahto.
08:23<staticsafe>!dns6 NS
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08:24*XReaper frowns at linbot
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08:26<eagles>XReaper: stop breaking linbot
08:27<XReaper>eagles: heh
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08:28<XReaper>i have seven nses
08:28<eagles>what for
08:28<eagles>did linode add 2 new ones
08:28<hawk>eagles: Maybe they should
08:29<XReaper>i run my own master
08:29<eagles>nice XReaper
08:30<eagles>has anyone here used the KSH shell? korn shell in other words
08:30<hawk>eagles: Yes
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08:31<eagles>hawk: ever worked with it
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08:33<XReaper>eagles: check it^
08:37<eagles>god what im reading is so boring but sadly necessary :(
08:37<Peng>eagles: #linode?
08:37<eagles>nice XReaper
08:38<XReaper>eagles: .au sucks
08:38<XReaper>as you can see
08:38<eagles>Peng: no documentation at work about bank policies atm reading about disaster recovery
08:38<eagles>XReaper: telestra sucks
08:38<XReaper>i have telstra nets
08:39<eagles>XReaper: arent they quite restrictive or used to be?
08:39<XReaper>200GB for $100/mo i think
08:40<hawk>XReaper: Stockholm syndrome, perhaps?
08:40<dwfreed>105/15 for $123/mo
08:40<dwfreed>no download cap enforced
08:40<eagles>dwfreed: u sure no upload cap
08:41<eagles>some isps are pulling fast ones on people with upload caps
08:41<dwfreed>(there's a theoretical cap at 250 GB, but Comcast still isn't enforcing it)
08:42<eagles>dwfreed: isps here in malta got rid of caps as long as there is fair use
08:42<eagles>you wont get cut off
08:42<Peng>*Malta* has good Internet connectivity?
08:44<eagles>business cable lines get preference over residential
08:44<eagles>40 Euros a month i get a static ip voip line and 25 mbps down and 1.5 up
08:44<hawk>eagles: What about ksh?
08:44<eagles>for a tiny island its good and now the cable isp is going fiber
08:44<eagles>hawk: i cant get used to it lol
08:44<eagles>hawk: i miss the tab completion of bash etc
08:44<eagles>then again im not on linux where i work its aix unix
08:45<hawk>eagles: Hmm, you have no tab completion at all or just not some supes fancy completion stuff?
08:45<eagles>none at all
08:45<eagles>and even vi isnt as user friendly
08:45<eagles>you have to be a pro with its keyboard shortcuts
08:46<eagles>spent a big chunk of the morning fighting with vi to get writing the script i started working on but then on the two testing servers they dont have rsync installed so I am waiting to hear back about that
08:46<hawk>eagles: Ok, the ksh I have used the most is a bit nicer than yours, then.
08:47<eagles>hawk: glad to know its nto all that bad
08:47<eagles>hawk: on unix or linux
08:47<eagles>im wondering if potentially since aix is put out by ibm if ibm bastardized it
08:48<hawk>well, either that or just sticking to a 30 years old version or something
08:48<eagles>hawk: dont think so aix is version 6.1 and latest version is 7
08:48<eagles>meh ill get used to iot
08:49<hawk>That doesn't mean that the stuff it includes is new and fancy :P
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08:49<eagles>hawk: ill tell you things are super duper patched
08:49<eagles>you have me curious though as to what the upgrade process would be to upgrade server os's but then again the server im working on with aix 6.1 is just a testing server
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08:50<hawk>eagles: 'The original KornShell, ksh88, is the default shell on AIX since version 4.', so says the intertubes
08:51<eagles>cant check what version im running an end of day process on one of the testing instances
08:51<eagles>soon have to go and run another end of day activity on the other test system once this is done
08:54<eagles>falling asleep :(
08:54<hawk>eagles: Rumors say they ship ksh93 as well, might want to check if you have that floating around. That might have some of the niceties one would expect.
08:55<eagles>hawk: im not to fussed i just have to get used to the quirks :) granted im lucky i can script in bash so its not a big deal i can still use the command i know from linux with ksh
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08:55<eagles>i was thinking the set of commands would have been entierly different but its usually a small switch here and there
08:58<Karrde>grep me no patterns and I'll tell you no lines.
08:59<Peng>eagles: If bash is available, you could change your shell to it, no?
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09:00<eagles>Peng: i cant as others use the same account
09:00<Peng>Screw them. :P
09:00<Peng>Can you use separate user accounts?
09:01<eagles>sadly not
09:01<eagles>i have to go with the flow
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09:03<dwfreed>just exec bash
09:05<Peng>That would give you separate shell history, right? That could be a problem.
09:06<hawk>Or is it just that it gives him *a* command history?
09:08<eagles>guys im not bothered just have to get used to things
09:08<eagles>i would rather not risk screwing up something
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09:10<hawk>eagles: I bet that's the sort of reasoning that has left AIX in that state :P
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09:11<eagles>hawk: lol sadly its not my choice i just have to adapt
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09:18<dzho>the risk of screwing something up is why everyone involved should want separate user accounts
09:19<dzho>these are *computers* their whole *purpose* is to allow and enable customization and individualization and to be careful on our behalf.
09:19<linbot>New news from forum: Postfix reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
09:19<dzho>eg, "here, let me do a lot of tedious math on the contents of this file to check its integrity"
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09:20<eagles>dzho: i know
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09:21<dzho>eagles: sorry
09:22<eagles>dont be :) normally i use seperate user accounts especially for logging purposes
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09:55<ecubuntu>Hello guys
09:55<ecubuntu>I really really need your help
09:56<ecubuntu>for accident i erasure an table from my database (wp_post)
09:56<ecubuntu>i have autobackup plan on my linode server
09:56<linbot>New news from forum: Postfix reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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09:56<ecubuntu>if I do a restore from yesterday can i have everything back the same way that it was
09:57<Peng>Yes, probably.
09:58<ecubuntu>so what is backup plan mean
09:58<ecubuntu>backup files and database?
09:58<ecubuntu>or only files?
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09:58<Peng>...Databases are stored in files.
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09:59<@akerl>ecubuntu: The Linode Backup Service backs up the entirety of the content of your disk images, so it includes your OS, your data, your databases, your datamonkeys, etc
10:00<ecubuntu>ok @akerl so i can restore with out problems
10:00*akerl nods
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10:02<ecubuntu>I just want to make sure so i dont do more mistakes
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10:06<ecubuntu>ok @akerl thank you
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10:12<linbot>New news from forum: IPTables/Network error in Linux Networking <>
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10:16<ecubuntu>@akerl I just want to make sure that, if I do restore from Sunday I get back everything on the way that was that day. I dont care to lose yesterday and today work
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10:20<@akerl>ecubuntu: The restore restores alongside your current disks. Shrink disks -> restore -> you'll have both $now and $old
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10:22<ecubuntu>so if I restore and the same Linode this is going to remplace the new files for the old files from Sunday ?
10:25<@akerl>The restore doesn't touch your existing disks. It restores the backup you chose alongside those disks, so you'll have both
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10:27<@akerl>Yaakov: Clerd
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10:32<ecubuntu>thanks @akerl
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10:35<Navi>Yaakov will never be sane.
10:35<Navi>But that's how we like him.
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10:51<linbot>New news from forum: IPTables/Network error in Linux Networking <>
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10:56<hawk>farwalls, farwalls, swimming in the ocean...
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11:05<monolito>i'm back lol.
11:06<monolito>i'm starting to guess you're designed to only say lulz
11:06<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
11:06<cruxeternus>he used to like bacon
11:06<cruxeternus>o, still does
11:06<tubaguy>but he loves lol
11:06<monolito>yeah bacon
11:06<monolito>good stuff
11:07<Peng>doesn't like Slackware so much
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11:12<tempesta>hi, i just updated by node with ubuntu latest, but in profiles it shows by old ubuntu version in Block Device Assignment for /dev/xvda. is this a problems?
11:13<tubaguy>that comes from when you first made the node
11:13<tempesta>ubaguy, ok, should i do something about it?
11:14<tubaguy>not unless you want to...
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11:14<tubaguy>you can rename profiles and disk images anything you want
11:14<Peng>My Windows 95 Profile
11:14<tempesta>ok, thanx guys, appreciated
11:15<tempesta>btw, they say that upgrading is not such a good idea because it does not use the latest and gratest grub and so on. Should i care about it?
11:16<tubaguy>who is they?
11:16<tempesta>i don't remember, but it is from one of the web pages on upgrading
11:16<Peng>There are a lot of web pages.
11:16<tempesta>well, i could look it up if it matter
11:17<tempesta>my question is: are there ANY "problems" with upgrading vs. fresh install, cause fresh install is a major pain for me
11:18<tubaguy>what version are you coming from?
11:18<tempesta>the system runs and that's all i care
11:18<linbot>New news from forum: nginx running but not rendering html or php in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
11:18<tubaguy>do you have linode's backup service?
11:18<tubaguy>take a snapshot first
11:19<tubaguy>then run the update
11:19<tempesta>i did
11:19<tempesta>i did
11:19<tempesta>so far so good
11:19<tubaguy>Did it break?
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11:20<tempesta>not yet except the citadel mail server (webcit is using the same port 80 as Apache server), but i can dig it up and work it out unless someone can tell me which config file to change so the webcit does not use port 80
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11:21<tempesta>i just killed the mail server for now
11:22<sdover>Can someone help me with a Linode server-related question? If I setup a managed hosting solution, but decide I don't need it in a couple of months, can I simply disable it and stop incurring the $100/mth charge?
11:23<monolito>does anyone know why logging through thunderbird on a dovecot install wouldn't let you login? i'm not allowing plain logins. it's using method cram-md5 which is enabled in the config. it's also connecting, it just says the username and pass aren't right while they are (and encrypted too).
11:24<monolito>it used to work just fine in Airmail/Postmaster/Mail (OS X)
11:24<monolito>and the only error is auth failed in the mail logs.
11:24<monolito>lol wtf
11:24<monolito>it worked now
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11:25<monolito>without using encryped password on thunderbird.
11:26<tubaguy>adover: I believe so. Need an op to confirm.
11:26<@qmr>WHO SUMMONED ME
11:26<tubaguy>woops, meant sdover ^^
11:27<cruxeternus>the keys are like, right next to each other
11:27<@qmr>You can cancel Managed at any time
11:27<sdover>Awesome. Thanks
11:27<tempesta>sorry guys, one more question: if i upgdaded ubuntu from 9.10, is there any old, unused garbage left around or old pachages and stuff are removed by default?
11:27<tubaguy>apt-get update, apt-get autoremove, apt-get upgrade
11:28<@qmr>Ubuntu? That was already there when you started
11:28<tubaguy>o u
11:28<tempesta>qmr, ubuntu was my initial installation
11:28<tempesta>9.10 it was and now it is latest
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11:48<plod>hello, I am trying to follow this page: on finishing up and restarting dovecot I am getting the following in my log files: Jul 30 16:40:31 li140-202 dovecot: master: Fatal: service(lmtp) access(/usr/lib/dovecot/lmtp) failed: No such file or directory
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11:50<phyber>plod: install the dovecot-lmtpd package?
11:51-!-Jippi_ [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
11:51<plod>well i thought i had
11:51<plod> - name: install dovecot-lmtpd
11:51<plod> action: apt pkg=dovecot-pop3d state=installed
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11:56<plod>aww gorgous
11:56<plod>thankyou very much
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12:01<staticsafe>is that an ansible playbook? :)
12:01<tubaguy>Will the linode manager grow a "raw" disk image?
12:03<XReaper>but not shrink
12:03<XReaper>you will still have to grow the underlying filesystem
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12:04<tubaguy>it's a DRBD device
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12:05<tubaguy>scary stuff right there
12:06<tubaguy>do I still need to reboot to take advantage of the disk resize?
12:07<@qmr>You have to shut down before mangling disk images
12:07<Nightmare>mangling eh
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12:18<tubaguy>Anybody having problems with 3.10?
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12:24<bostonian>Hi all. Are mandatory access control systems (like Ubuntu's AppArmor) useful for web servers running dynamic scripts (e.g., nginx + PHP)? Or can strict www-data user permissions enforce most security?
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12:32<plod>staticsafe: yes ansible playbook
12:34<jchen>ansible dabestmaynes
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12:40<@akerl>jchen: Do you have a hilight for ansible? :P
12:41<jchen>ansible dabestmaynes
12:41<jchen>jk no
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12:57<pancake>im having serious packet drop issues pinging my linode
12:57<pancake>what is going on?
12:57<@akerl>pancake: What does MTR say?
12:57<pancake>91 packets transmitted, 20 received, 78% packet loss, time 90017ms
12:58<pancake> is the problenm
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12:58<@akerl>Pastebin the MTR?
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13:05<jchen>mtr-tiny is the debian package for non-x11 mtr fwiw
13:05<@akerl>Looks like an issue between linx and your ISP
13:06<pancake>i dont use debian, and i should do my own pkg to get the non-x11 version
13:06<@akerl>what do you use?
13:06<pancake>akerl: yep.. thats why i wanted to know if my linode was working by anyone else
13:07<pancake>i use voidlinux
13:07<jchen>systemd wooo
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13:09<@akerl>o.O why?
13:09<staticsafe>do you have a reverse trace?
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13:10<pancake>gtg now, looks like my server is fine, thanks anyway
13:10<pancake>uhm.. let me try to find another box with working link to my server
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13:12<pancake>im in
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13:14<jchen>now i want to watch tron
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13:15<ghosticus>from monkeyman to FunkyMonkeyMan
13:16<FunkyMonkeyMan>Is there any issue with connectivity right now? I'm unable to connect to my servers (in the US) and am even having trouble logging in to the linode manager
13:16<@akerl>pancake: That looks clean
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13:16<@akerl>FunkyMonkeyMan: Nope, works for me. What does MTR say?
13:16<FunkyMonkeyMan>what is MTR?
13:17<pancake>FunkyMonkeyMan: a traceroute like tool
13:17<FunkyMonkeyMan>I can't run it, I'm on windows
13:17<@akerl>It runs on windows...
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13:17<FunkyMonkeyMan>Oh, I thought that was linux only
13:17<FunkyMonkeyMan>let me install
13:18<pancake>gtg now
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13:19<FunkyMonkeyMan>Lots of no responses in there
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13:20<@akerl>Pastebin it?
13:20<FunkyMonkeyMan>one mo
13:22<@wblew>looks like virginmedia is broken
13:22<FunkyMonkeyMan>I'm getting that feeling
13:22<@akerl>FunkyMonkeyMan: You're seeing serious loss immediately at your ISP
13:22<@akerl>I'd give them a call to see what they're up to
13:22<jchen>they're putting up the porn filter
13:23<jchen>you think its a joke
13:23<FunkyMonkeyMan>I'll tether with 3G and see if that helps... I'll be back in a few no doubt!
13:23<xand>well it is virgin media.
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13:23<gadams>Anyone having issues with freenode?
13:24<@akerl>They haven't sent me a global notice yet
13:24<@akerl>Clearly that means nothing is wrong
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13:24<jchen>irc is srs bizniss
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13:25<FunkyMonkeyMan>Yeah, very different result through 3G
13:26<somenoob>Got a question I hope you guys can help me with. Have bought a Linode and have made some distros. How do I access my other distros? I can't see any IP's pointing at them. Is it at alle possible or only with multiple IP's? Not even locally?
13:26<jchen>you can only boot one thang at one time per Linode
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13:28<somenoob>Ohh. So if I shutdown the one created during setup and boot the other. That will be the one I access through SSH?
13:28<fullstop>yes, unless you purchase another linode
13:29<fullstop>ssh will likely yell at you because the keys will be different
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13:31<somenoob>Thanks. Could someone explain then the advantage of having multiple distros on one Linode? Shouldn't it be possible to access either locally or buy an IP for that distro?
13:31<jchen>if you want to do some testing that doesn't need to have two instances booted concurrently?
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13:32<jchen>if you were able to boot more than one instance with a Linode, what's the point of having more than one Linode?
13:32<jchen>reverse logic but still
13:32<fullstop>I've cloned disks from an older linode when upgrading debian.. just in case anything goes wrong.
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13:33<FunkyMonkeyMan>OK well VM have obviously eaten the internet again. I'm going for a cup of tea whilst they screw around! Thanks for your help guys :)
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13:33<somenoob>Thanks. That makes sense.
13:35<somenoob>But wouldn't you have to have a lot of downtime if you were switching between distros and the one you were "upgrading" to wasn't accessable because it wasn't booted?
13:36<fullstop>Of course.
13:36<jchen>and, thats when you buy a second linode
13:36<fullstop>Keep in mind that not everyone uses their linode for a production system.
13:37<gadams>can someone from newark run mtr ?
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13:37<somenoob>Are you able to share "disks" between Linodes?
13:37<jchen>gadams: you'll need to specify the server you're on to be useful
13:37<jchen>they use dns round robin iirc
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13:38<linbot>Yaakov: [mtr] 9 hops, 40.0%/205.7ms, po2.boogie.core.MIL.ipv6.ITg: 80.0%/205.7ms, 2001:1418:1:700::a: 60.0%/206.6ms, 60.0%/206.5ms
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13:38<jchen>rajaniemi seems to be in finland
13:38<jchen>maybe try another one?
13:39<linbot>gadams: timed out
13:39<Banichi>from my pov there's huge loss between as34270 and newark
13:39<jchen>morgan is usually good for me
13:39<Banichi>possibly in the bit of linx they connect in
13:39<linbot>gadams: [mtr] 13 hops, 20.0%/4.5ms
13:40<Yaakov>gadams: The IPv6 path is way hosed.
13:40<Yaakov>The IPv4 looks fine.
13:40<gadams>Damn it.
13:40<gadams>ofc I use ipv6.
13:40*gadams feels like a hipster.
13:41<Yaakov> 6. 2001:504:1::a500:2603:1 0.0% 80 2.6 4.1 1.5 49.2 8.1
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13:41<Yaakov> 7. 63.3% 80 176.0 176.0 175.7 176.3 0.2
13:41<Yaakov>That's the hop that breaks.
13:42<staticsafe>an issue on the reverse path perhaps?
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13:47<linbot>gadams: [mtr] 15 hops, 80.0%/175.9ms, 60.0%/189.4ms, 80.0%/201.9ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, 20.0%/214.3ms, 2001:6b0:e::205a: 60.0%/214.2ms, 2001:6b0:e::141b: 80.0%/214.0ms, 40.0%/213.9ms
13:48<gadams>well they failed at not affecting production
13:48<gadams>wait that's too far in advance
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14:46<monolito>what do you prefer your email client to do, show new messages at the bottom or the top?
14:47<bacon>gui -> top, tui -> bottom
14:48<dcraig>I'd like them to spread out from the middle
14:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
14:49<staticsafe>i agree with bacon
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15:04<linbot>New news from forum: Postfix reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:04<linbot>gadams: [mtr] 15 hops, 20.0%/113.8ms
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15:05<mibbit_guest>hello.. sorry to disturb!
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15:05<mibbit_guest>i just wanted to ask if linode can provide eventually cpanel/whm as a paid addon for a server?
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15:08<GTAXL>Hi mibbit_guest
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15:11<mibbit_guest>my friend :))
15:11<mibbit_guest>no reply means they dont offer...
15:11<Navi>mibbit_guest: Linode just provides the box.
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15:11<mibbit_guest>but I cannot expect much :(
15:11<Navi>mibbit_guest: If you want it, you install it!
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15:11<mibbit_guest>yes, that's right. Unfortunately its the only option I have, to install it myself.
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15:13<Navi>Linode already do what they're best at.
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15:15<mibbit_guest>I shoud study an option to install all those accounts actually on cpanel manually on the server
15:15<mibbit_guest>but that would require a lot of time since the accounts are so many :(
15:16<mibbit_guest>all databases connected.. etc.....
15:16<mibbit_guest>a pain :(
15:16<mibbit_guest>damn me and when I decided to go for cpanel years ago......
15:17<mibbit_guest>i gotta go to dinner, take care all
15:17<mibbit_guest>and thanks for your time
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15:31<linbot>New news from forum: Postfix reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
15:34<@qmr>driveby -.-
15:36<Navi>Drive by dotting.
15:36*Navi dots at qmr
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15:48<ghosticus>rude imo
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16:09<linbot>New news from forum: Setting up an apache server. IP works but not my domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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16:16<webby>Hi. My site is having really SLOW load times. I am not sure if it is the server or what. Any idea which reports I should look at? I ran this:
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16:19<tubaguy>webby: Is the Linode manager or top reporting high cpu usage?
16:21<linbot>New news from forum: Setting up an apache server. IP works but not my domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
16:21<webby>tubaguy: Here is my CPU usage. It doesn't seem that high...
16:22<tubaguy>Is there a database for your site?
16:22<webby>Yes, it is amazon RDS
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16:22<tubaguy>webby: I would bet that that is a bottleneck
16:23<tubaguy>your loads aren't awful
16:23<tubaguy>your cpu usage isn't awful
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16:23<webby>My database activity:
16:23<tubaguy>Those numbers don't mean anything if there's an issue with the intertubes between your linode and amazon though
16:24<webby>In other words, the app has to wait for the database to let it in so it just waits?
16:24<webby>Ugh. How do I fix that? Would that mean I can't use Amazon?
16:24<webby>Both my Linode and RDS are East Coast
16:25<tubaguy>you need to get a traceroute between your linode and the address you use to get to your database
16:25<tubaguy>did this just start happening, or did you just set this up?
16:26<Peng>Linode Atlanta or Newark <-> us-east-1 is like 15-20 ms
16:26<webby>Its particularly bad today, but it has happend before
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16:26<Peng>wait, might be less for newark
16:26<webby>So I log into SSH to my Linode and do a tracroute to us-east-1 ?
16:26<tubaguy>webby: what linode DC are you in?
16:26<Peng>No, ~20 ms for both.
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16:28<linbot>tubaguy: [mtr] 6 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
16:29<webby>Running it now...
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16:31<linbot>New news from forum: Setting up an apache server. IP works but not my domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
16:31<linbot>Konsole: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
16:31<linbot>Konsole: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
16:31<webby>This is what I got:
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16:31<webby>Looks pretty bad, no?
16:32<linbot>Konsole: [mtr] 13 hops, 20.0%/260.8ms, 20.0%/250.3ms, 20.0%/258.7ms
16:32<linbot>Konsole: [mtr] 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.1ms
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16:34<tubaguy>webby: I guess contact amazon?
16:34<tubaguy>doesn't look like a linode problem
16:34<webby>Gotcha. I just was wondering if there was any thing I can do myself...
16:34<tubaguy>and if your site is consistently returning in 60 seconds, that's probably a timeout for the db connection
16:34<webby>Ex: caching issue?
16:35<tubaguy>You should do a test and see if your code can contact the database at all
16:35<tubaguy>That would be the most you could do lol
16:36<Peng>Amazon is likely just firewalling traceroute packets.
16:36<tubaguy>thus the test :)
16:36<@heckman>lol @ 'contact amazon'
16:36<Peng>mtr from us-east-1 to Newark:
16:37<Peng>Wat. 10 ms? It was like 25 10 minutes ago.
16:38<Peng>us-east-1 to Atlanta, if anyone cares:
16:38<Peng>17 ms
16:39<bacon>I had 196ms over 10km yesterday. Today it's 7ms.
16:39<tempesta>what does it mean 100% CPU use in Linode Manager? Does it mean 100% of my slice time or total CPU time for all vhosts on that box? because there is some problem with citadel mail server and it shows 100% CPU use on Linode Manager, but it shows only 3% in top command. Anybody has a clue about this issue with citadel server?
16:39<Peng>tempesta: It means your VPS is maxing out one core.
16:39<Peng>tempesta: You can go up to 800%.
16:39<@heckman>tempesta: 1/N
16:40<@heckman>N being number of vCPUs
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16:42<tempesta>then i don't understand why "top" command shows only 3% for the citserver when the Linode Manager shows 100%. What am i missing here?
16:43<tempesta>and that cpu load is clearly a citadel issue and it has been confirmber in ubuntu bug list, except i found no resolution to the issue
16:44<@heckman>top operates 0-100% usually, and the graphs are a running average
16:45<tempesta>heckman, sorry, but why there is such a drastic difference of 30 times
16:46<webby>I thought that Amazon is a great choice. Why is it so sucky?
16:46<EugeneKay>You're seeing a peak of 100%; top is reporting a 3% average.
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16:46<EugeneKay>webby - Amazon is for companies that need web scale. Their infrastructure is inherently unreliable, and you're expected to build around it.
16:46<EugeneKay>Because you can make it huegbig, lol
16:47<tempesta>it seems no matter how you average, 3% can not become 100%, no matter what, unless that 100% is time allocated to my own vhost, and not the total CPU time on the box
16:47<gom>anything going on with linode servers?
16:47<linbot>New news from forum: Setting up an apache server. IP works but not my domain in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
16:47<EugeneKay>You have it backwards
16:47<EugeneKay>Go learn how averages work and call me
16:47<webby>I just did mysql - -u admin -p and it loaded into mysql almost instantly
16:47<gom>My server is very slow but the CPU usage load is low
16:47<tubaguy>gom: that's pretty vague. Need more info
16:48<tubaguy>gom: any steal?
16:48<webby>Does that mean that it gets to it quickly now?
16:48<EugeneKay>gom - "slow" is very subjective. What's slow?
16:48<dcraig>webby, if it loads instantly, it gets to it quickly ;)
16:48<gom>Yes, CPU is not used and the server response is slow
16:48<webby>dcraig: I dont get it now. traceroute sucked, but the connection is OK
16:48<EugeneKay>gom - that's still not a noun. WHAT is slow?
16:49<dcraig>webby, I looked at the traceroute you posted, and I didn't see what sucked
16:49<gom>The connection to my web server.
16:49<EugeneKay>What sort of connection?
16:49<dcraig>13 ms from your newark linode to us-east-1?
16:49<tubaguy>gom: traceroute to it
16:49<gom>Is that possible traceroute?
16:49<EugeneKay>13ms! Outrageous!
16:49<gom>traceroute is failing
16:49<webby>dcraig: There is one item in there that is 33 ms and one that is 11 ms. Isn't that high?
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16:50<dcraig>I wouldn't worry about that
16:50<gom>[xwu@sjcdev01 ~]$ traceroute traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 1 ( 0.789 ms 0.902 ms 0.625 ms 2 ( 0.353 ms 0.479 ms 0.582 ms 3 ( 4.962 ms 4.987 ms 5.010 ms 4 ( 8.673 ms 8.701 ms 8.727 ms 5 ( 7.778 ms 7.827 ms 7.831 ms 6 12.12
16:50<tubaguy>oh god
16:50<gom>11 * * *
16:50<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
16:50<Peng>webby: The ones in the middle don't matter.
16:51<gom>OK done
16:51<webby>Oh ok
16:52<dcraig>gom, do you have a firewall? iptables rules? etc.
16:52<webby>So how do I diagnose my site slowness. I just dont get whats slowing it down.
16:52<tubaguy>gom: can you shh into your server? Or lish?
16:52<gom>yes i am
16:53<tempesta>anybody knows anything about citadel server problem on ubuntu 12.04 with "citadel: DB: PANIC: Invalid argument" and "citadel: bdb(): txn_commit: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery"? How do i run database recovery?
16:54<tubaguy>gom: read what dcraig said
16:54<bacon>webby: have you looked through your browser's development tools? Most offer a network graph which shows stuff.
16:55<Navi>tempesta: Looks like a known bug.
16:56<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
16:56<webby>bacon: Yeah, its all from the initial load:
16:56<webby>Do you think it is due to the fact that I turn off persistant MySQL connections?
16:56<bacon>oh, wow
16:57<rnowak>why would you do that...
16:57<dcraig>I kinda like the 25 second delay... I feel my anticipation building
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16:57<bacon>webby: run yoru code through a profiler, and check your DB queries. Could be you're doing bad stuff.
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16:58<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
16:58<webby>bacon: Thanks. Coudl you recommend a profiler to use?
16:58<bacon>not really, i usually use printfs
16:58<bacon>I also write my code production ready
16:58<bacon>on my first attempt :D
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16:59*tubaguy steps out because language bashing is incoming
17:00<webby>Yup, PHP. Codeigniter
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17:00<webby>Haha, fair enough.
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17:08<gom>anything changed? things are better now
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17:33<marcin1>Any way to speed up moving domain between linodes ?
17:34<marcin1>I removed domain and added it again assigning to other linode ip
17:34<tubaguy>Nope. DNS is DNS.
17:34<marcin1>Ok :)
17:34*kyhwana headtilts at marcin1 "You mean changing an A record?
17:34<marcin1>So lets wait
17:34<tubaguy>Changes are made every quarter hour on Linode's DNS
17:35<marcin1>Ok thanks for info
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17:47<kyhwana> huh, global sign gives out free SSL certs to open source projects
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17:56<ghosticus>Pengy Peng
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17:56<bfb>hi guys
17:56<bfb>can I ask a short question?
17:56<dcraig>kyhwana, I got a B on their SSL test :(
17:56<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
17:56<crazedpsyc>you just did!
17:57<bfb>is it possible to use a linode graphically not using the console?
17:57<bacon>bfb: yep, via something like VNC
17:57<ghosticus>graphically how?
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17:58<bfb>I mean with a gui
17:58<bacon>bfb: but it's generally a waste of resources, VPSs are good at doing headless stuff
17:58<Peng>I got an A! \o/
17:58<Peng>Now if I had an open source project :P
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17:59<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:59<bfb>bacon: I'm more the gui guy and not the command line guy ;)
17:59<Peng>Oh, it just uses Qualys. I thought it was some new SSL test.
17:59<dcraig>Peng, it says I "may be vulnerable to BEAST attack"... had you done something specifically to correct that on your server?
17:59<bacon>bfb: what are your intended uses?
17:59<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
17:59<bfb>bacon: running phplist
17:59<ghosticus>I got a rock
17:59<bacon>bfb: actually, don't answer that. Get used to console, immerse yourself in it, and you will be amazed at the speeds in which you accomplish tasks
18:00<bacon>mmm rock
18:00<ghosticus>i got an 'A' too :|
18:00<Peng>dcraig: Yes.
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18:01<dcraig>ok then I will probably do something, too
18:01<Peng>dcraig: However! Arguably that is not a good idea.
18:01<dcraig>I was reading that page
18:01<dcraig>didn't know if I should do it or not
18:01<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:01<bfb>bacon: ok thanks
18:01<Peng>dcraig: I'm unsure.
18:01<dcraig>I mean, I would like an A instead of a B......
18:02<bfb>I have another question to ask
18:02<Peng>dcraig: Since the BEAST attack, I think web browsers have done clever things to fix it from their end.
18:02<bacon>bfb: develop on your machine, and deploy to your shiny linode.
18:02<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:02<bfb>bacon: ok I will do it this way
18:02<Peng>dcraig: The primary workaround was preferring the RC4 cipher, which is an old cipher that's gotten a lot weaker this year.
18:02<Peng>dcraig: I mean, the primary server-side workaround.
18:03<bfb>bacon: what swap disk size should I use?
18:03<dcraig>maybe I'll just leave things the way they are then
18:03<Peng>dcraig: So, which is worse is controversial.
18:03<Peng>dcraig: Short discussion:
18:04<Peng>That GlobalSign tester recommends disabling SSL 3.0 if you don't need to support old sucky mobile clients. Interesting.
18:04<Peng>Though TLS 1.0 is bad enough anyway, and you can't disable it.
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18:05<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
18:05<bfb>bacon: I can use max 512MB
18:05<Peng>dcraig: Basically, SSL and TLS are terrible, and you get to choose which brand of terrible you prefer. TLS 1.1 and 1.2 are actually okay, but nothing supports them.
18:06<kyhwana>Chrome supports 1.1 and 1.2 now!
18:06<kyhwana>As peng said, some useless browsers don't support anything higher than 1.0 -.-
18:06<Peng>By "nothing" I meant "everything except Firefox"
18:07<kyhwana>Peng: that too
18:07<Peng>also: but I think there was a new, even worse RC4 attack since that was written
18:07<dcraig>part of me wants to pick the terrible that gives me an A, but the other part of me would like to believe that whatever apache does by default is reasonable and that I don't need to start manually putting things I don't even understand in a particular order
18:07<Peng>dcraig: Nod.
18:07<bfb>Can somebody else tell me about the swap size?
18:08<Peng>bfb: If you're asking what swap size is good, stick with the default. It's 256 or 512 MB or so.
18:08<Peng>dcraig: I'd *like* to believe that Apache's defaults are good, but I don't know if it's true.
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18:08<bfb>Peng: Thanks
18:08<staticsafe>Firefox will support TLS 1.1 starting with version 23
18:09<Peng>I forgot it didn't even support 1.1.
18:09<bfb>Peng: For the Deployment Disk Size I could use the max size. Is this an disadvantage? What could I do with free space?
18:09<branko>staticsafe: Based on tickets I've seen, that'll be still experimental.
18:09<Peng>"TLS 1.1 was defined in RFC 4346 in April 2006." :(
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18:10<Peng>"TLS 1.2 was defined in RFC 5246 in August 2008." :( :(
18:10<branko>Peng: Heheh, funny how long it takes them to implement stuff like that, even after serious breeches? ;)
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18:12<bfb>some help about the Deployment Disk Size?
18:13<bacon>Also, also, GCC only fully implemented C99 this year
18:13<Peng>Note: TLS 1.1 fixed BEAST *5 years* before BEAST was created. (Similar attacks were known but believed impractical.)
18:13<bacon>I stand corrected *almost
18:13*Peng cries
18:14<kyhwana>bfb: just use it all? (besides swap)
18:14<kyhwana>Peng: yeah, you shouldn't be using RC4 :P
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18:15<bfb>kyhwana: Can unused Deployment Disk Size space be used otherwise?
18:15<Peng>kyhwana: but BEAST
18:15<crazedpsyc>RC4 is probably good left at the end of the priority list
18:15<kyhwana>Peng: Use TLS1.1/1.2
18:15<Peng>kyhwana: but Firefox
18:15<kyhwana>Peng: *flail*
18:15<crazedpsyc>modern firefox has no problem with things?
18:15<kyhwana>Peng: SSL/TLS is fucked
18:15<kyhwana>bfb: no, because it's unused?
18:16<Peng>crazedpsyc: Modern Firefox does not support TLS 1.1 or 1.2.
18:16<crazedpsyc>really? that's weird
18:16<Peng>crazedpsyc: That's a problem.
18:16<crazedpsyc> <3
18:16*Peng shrugs
18:16<Peng>I imagine Mozilla has had dozens of developers hospitalized when they went near the crypto code.
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18:17<bfb>kyhwana: ok
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18:17<Peng>crazedpsyc: 4096 bit key? :-\
18:17<crazedpsyc>it hasn't been a problem so far.
18:18<crazedpsyc>(I assume you mean 'oh no huge')
18:18<Peng>Yeah, that's what I mean.
18:18<Peng>Meh. What's the performance cost of those extra bits?
18:19<kyhwana>Peng: who cares? :P
18:19<crazedpsyc>ECDHE is a bit crazy unless you really need it or have low traffic, but otherwise, very little?
18:19<Peng>crazedpsyc: Key size aside, I envy your SSL configuration.
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18:25<Neal>what was the website that showed DNS from all over the world?
18:26<agrajag> ?
18:26<Neal>yeah, that. thanks!
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18:34<tempesta>does anyone know about the citadel mail server on ubuntu 12.04?
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18:38*tubaguy grumbles about the high availability section on
18:40<Peng>It's not highly available, ehhh?
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19:11<ghosticus>Peng: urmom's highly available
19:13<farfromhere>OH SNAP
19:14<praetorian>but she always goes down?
19:14*farfromhere looks frantically for the extra caps lock button
19:15*farfromhere hits Peng with a firetruck instead
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20:08<SDr>howdy, are there any case studies available for nodebalancer? Specifically, I'd love to see performance comparisons to upgrading to higher tier / availability / scaling pains
20:11<dwfreed>not that I'm aware of; you could just try it out :)
20:11<dwfreed>it's only $19.95/month
20:12<linbot>New news from forum: Need a new Registrar in General Discussion <>
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20:33<dcraig>nodebalancers aren't $20/mo now?
20:34<dwfreed>nah, they're the only thing left that's still uneven
20:36<Nightmare>wow five cents
20:37<Nightmare>gonna be rich of those savings
20:38<dcraig>the only solution is to lower the price to, say, $15
20:50<Praefectus>not the solution i would recommend, but ok
20:51<@Perihelion>It's a Praefectus
20:51<Praefectus>lies and slander!
20:51<kyhwana>and a Perihelion
20:52<@Perihelion>A Perihelion is less interesting
20:52<@Perihelion>We are a simple folk
20:52<Praefectus>oh wait, no thats jus what you swallow every day
20:53<Praefectus>ok, maybe not slander, but definitely lies
20:53<@Perihelion>What I swallow in my spare time is hardly any concern of yours.
20:53<Praefectus>i wasnt referring to your spare time
20:54<Praefectus>and shit doesnt flow uphill (or up the pipes), so its all good!
20:54<@Perihelion>Now you want to talk about poop? Jeez, what's with this guy?
20:54<Nightmare>it's Praefectus, what do you expect
20:54<Praefectus>sorry, delirium from not having to work with drug addicts and morons
20:55<@Perihelion>Excuse me, sir. It is the crack that is addicted to ME.
20:55<rnowak>quit linode? :>
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21:11<sracer11>i have... what might be a how to search question - i want to try to set up a dynamic dns server, where i input my ubuntu IP as the dynamic dns server, however, when i google for "ubuntu dynamic dns server", i get results on how to configure it as a client, rather than as a server
21:11<sracer11>is it called something else?
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21:11*kyhwana headtilts
21:12<kyhwana>sracer11: you mean you want to run your own DNS server on your linode, that will do dynamic DNS for your local box?
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21:13<sracer11>i think that is what i want, but i'm not sure if i'm using the right terminology. i dont want to pay dyndns or any of those DDNS services. i see in my tomato router i have an option for a custom URL
21:13<sracer11>so i figure, if i can put in a custom url, that means it must be possible to run a DDNS server
21:13<sracer11>but i can't even figure out what to google in order to find the guides
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21:16<kyhwana>sracer11: right, so you want to run your own dynamic DNS server, which means setting up something like BIND or powerdns on your linode
21:17<sracer11>okay cool, so terminology is right, i will google for bind and powerdns
21:17<kyhwana> or similar
21:17<sracer11>ah sweet! thanks!!
21:17<kyhwana>(there's loads more, but that should get you to where you want to go)
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21:18<sracer11>see i had read the entire article
21:18<sracer11>and it never mentions BIND or powerdns
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21:19<dcraig>there are dynamic dns providers that you don't have to pay
21:19<BarkerJr>so, why would "dnssec-validation yes" not enable validation and setting it to "auto" does?
21:19<sracer11>well, i hope to use this in production
21:19<sracer11>i dont want to leech off a free service
21:19<dwfreed>BarkerJr: because you don't have the root keys
21:19<dwfreed>BarkerJr: auto automatically grabs the root keys
21:20<dwfreed>yes requires that you set up managed-keys or trusted-keys yourself
21:20<kyhwana>sracer11: that's because it tells you to register with a provider
21:20<HoopyCat>if you can withstand the 15-minute linode DNS refresh interval, a linode API call can do it
21:20<BarkerJr>that's confusing
21:20<dwfreed>read the ARM
21:20<BarkerJr>someone needs to fire the developer of bind
21:20<kyhwana>Which one?
21:20<sracer11>kyhwana, is that a subtle way of recommending one should not insource ddns?
21:20<BarkerJr>all of them
21:20<dwfreed>there are many
21:20<Nightmare>are any of them cute
21:20<sracer11>HoopyCat, i dont know if i can make my tomato router comply with the linode API
21:21<dwfreed>Nightmare: maybe, dunno
21:21<BarkerJr>they're supposed to do code reviews before releasing stuff
21:21<dwfreed>BarkerJr: it makes sense, actually
21:21<dwfreed>yes just means you want dnssec validation; doesn't mean you have to use the current root keys
21:21<Praefectus>BarkerJr: wat is dis code review thing?
21:21<dwfreed>maybe you only want to do DLV validation
21:21<dwfreed>Praefectus: hah
21:21*Praefectus has not seen one of those for like 3 years
21:22<HoopyCat>sracer11: mmm, hacked router firmware in production
21:22<dwfreed>BarkerJr: also, not using auto allows you to use an alternate root, with its own set of keys
21:22<BarkerJr>also, seems centos 5 doesn't support "auto". what's up with that?
21:22<HoopyCat>sracer11: ... but indeed, it can probably be made to work. shell scripts possible?
21:22<kyhwana>BarkerJr: centos is older than jesus
21:22<sracer11>its not mission critical productoin, i meant production as in business use, i just dont feel right leeching a free service for work
21:23<dwfreed>BarkerJr: auto is recent; iirc, 9.8 and newer
21:23<dwfreed>maybe 9.7 if you're lucky
21:23<sracer11>i *think* i have 1 zone, but more than 100 records, so i think that means with dyndns i can use the 30$/mo plan
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21:23<sracer11>or i could setup a linode, and install this BIND or powerdns
21:23<linbot>New news from forum: Need a new Registrar in General Discussion <>
21:23<HoopyCat>sracer11: this might be a good occasion for a CNAME
21:24<zack_>Anyone feel like helping me debug what seems to be a pChart permissions error?
21:24<sracer11>i was thinking about cname, and using linode dns manager, but ... i kinda really want the tomato compatbility
21:24<sracer11>we are using tomato routers in our locations
21:25<Praefectus>mmmmm tomatoes
21:25<HoopyCat>sracer11: a CNAME from your "real" zone to another zone that just does the ddns stuff
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21:26<sracer11>im not sure if i understand why have 2 zones?
21:27<HoopyCat>sracer11: so that you don't have to have alllllllll of your records hosted by the ddns provider of your choosing. only change one thing, instead of 100 things
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21:27<sracer11>ah i see
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21:30<sracer11>okay i dont think i still understand
21:30<sracer11>i would still have to change however many individual updates i have
21:31<sracer11>i think... this proves i should outsource dns.
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21:31<HoopyCat>sracer11: say that you've got that you want to be dynamic, but you've also got, urmomsmom, urdadsmom, etc etc that you don't want to futz with
21:33<HoopyCat>sracer11: you could either 1) make its own zone, replacing it with NS records in your zone pointing at the ddns provider, or 2) get urmom-example-com.<<dyndnsprovider'sdomain>>.com, and point a CNAME at it from
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21:34<sracer11>option 2 sounds more elegant
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21:35<HoopyCat>sracer11: nod... it's how i'd probably do it
21:35<HoopyCat>and probably have, 'tho i can't remember any examples thereof
21:35<sracer11>so, since i'm choosing now to outsource dns, does linode offer a paid dns service (or is it in beta stage)?
21:35<sracer11>if not, what is the better dns companies?
21:35<HoopyCat>(IPv6 will destroy the dynamic DNS industry)
21:36<sracer11>when is that happening?
21:36<HoopyCat>sracer11: linode offers DNS service starting at $20/mo, which includes a free VPS
21:36<dwfreed>that's one way to put it
21:36<dwfreed>sracer11: Linode's DNS service is free, so long as you retain an active Linode
21:36<HoopyCat>when is IPv6 happening? IPv6 is happening now, technically speaking
21:42<sracer11>i see the API is not that complex,
21:42<sracer11>it can even be access using wget
21:43<HoopyCat>you can even use python!
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21:45<sracer11>python i think would be too complex, it's just a tomato router
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21:57<dzho>it's HoopyCat's fault
21:58<HoopyCat>dzho had my authorization to post said URL attn caker
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22:41<kyhwana>hmm, what's the spinup time on a 2GB linode?
22:41<dwfreed>uh, now?
22:42<dwfreed>that page seems to not want to load for me; can you take a screenshot?
22:43<kyhwana>I could, but im too lazy
22:47<dwfreed>their storage is wrong for us, too
22:48<kyhwana>yes, I pointed that out to them
22:48<dzho>is contention comparable, or do they just not make any claims about it?
22:48<kyhwana>I don't think they say what the contention is
22:49<dwfreed>I've heard a lot of mixed ratings; some people get good performance, others get really shitty performance
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22:49<Peng>Maybe their spinup time is so fast because they don't generate SSH keys. :D
22:50*kyhwana snickers
22:50<kyhwana>Of course, lots of people complaining about their slow spinup time
22:50<dwfreed>yeah, it never seems to be 55 seconds like they claim
22:50<Peng>They've been saying "55 seconds" for a long time, haven't they?
22:51<dwfreed>I'm tempted to do an API spinup, and see how long it takes until the IP address pings
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22:51<Peng>I wonder how much their systems have changed since they started saying "55 seconds"
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22:54<Peng>kyhwana: To be fair, the complaints about spinup time prove that it's not *always* 55 seconds, but 99% of custoemrs could be happily getting 55 seconds and not, you know, announcing it on #digitalocean like some sort of weirdo like me.
22:55<monolito>make it rain on them bi..
22:56<Peng>If I wanted to rain... $ wc -l Freenode/#digitalocean.2013-07.log OFTC/#linode.2013-07.log 80925 Freenode/#digitalocean.2013-07.log 39333 OFTC/#linode.2013-07.log
22:56<Peng>ew, my \ns
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22:59<dwfreed>Peng: iow, we complain less?
23:01<dcraig>if you can commit to a year of service, the EC2 price drops from $60 to $27/mo
23:02<dcraig>and around $16/mo if you can do 3 years...
23:02<Peng>You're not factoring in the cost of therapy from trying to figure out Amazon's pricing pages.
23:03<dcraig>if you look at higher priced plans, for $160/mo you get double the RAM from DO, but linode gives you more than double the storage and almost triple the transfer
23:04<Nightmare>the colors look pretty
23:05<SecretLine>but do offers better disk performance, at least for me
23:05<Nightmare>how are you measuring disk performance
23:06<Peng>SSDs are a concrete technology.
23:06<farfromhere>So all SSD's as faster then
23:07<SecretLine>Nightmare, hdparm and dd, but in production, mysql performance
23:08<Peng>farfromhere: SSDs are faster than old-fashioned spinny disks, yes. But one VPS company does not necessarily have better disk performance than another because they're using faster disks.
23:08<Peng>farfromhere: And SSDs are smaller and high quality ones are...not cheap.
23:08<dwfreed>and performance varies from host to host
23:08<farfromhere>I would assume there could be bottlenecks elsewhere in the hardware,
23:09<dwfreed>not really
23:09<dwfreed>for any I/O intensive workload, the bottleneck is the disk
23:09<dwfreed>also, if you get moved to a host where somebody's slamming the disk, your performance will suffer
23:10<Peng>Which is to say, your ability to slam the disk will suffer. :D
23:11<purrdeta>I am going to go slam the disks now, brb
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23:15<purrdeta>you know it
23:20<linbot>New news from forum: Need a new Registrar in General Discussion <>
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23:46<TheVoid><3 qmr
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23:47<TheVoid>yano: did you iptables me from ur webserver
23:47<TheVoid>because its connection timeout
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23:48<SecretLine>iptables is now a verb?
23:48<hellertime>so I'm trying out linode for the first time. I have a test server in Dallas. I can't seem to connect to IPv6 hosts with it. I can ping6 it from outside though. any ideas? This is Ubuntu 13.08 with a PV_GRUB kernel.
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23:48<SecretLine>how you did you apache me ?
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23:48<SecretLine>w/e got confused making the sentence
23:49<TheVoid>ok that still exists
23:49<hellertime>Sorry. Ubuntu 13.04 :)
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23:50<kyhwana>hellertime: whats your v6 IP?
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23:51<kyhwana>hellertime: also what v6 hosts are you trying to connect to from your linode?
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23:52<hellertime>I was trying
23:52<hellertime>figured that would be a safe bet to be alive
23:52<kyhwana>hellertime: what does a mtr from your linode say?
23:53<hellertime>not a lot. its like all outbound ipv6 traffic gets swallowed up. stuck tcpdump on there, and watched IMCP6 echo requests go out without reply.
23:54<kyhwana>odd. Is this a trial node?
23:54<Nightmare>strange, i can reach you just fine
23:55<kyhwana>No ipv6tables rules setup?
23:55<hellertime>Nightmare: you 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:4dfc ? I can see pings coming in...
23:55<hellertime>I flushed all the firewall rules.
23:55<Nightmare>nope, i'm 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:ab7
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23:55<hellertime>yeah. trial node
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23:57<kyhwana>hmm, could be something weird with the trial thing, not sure.
23:58<hellertime>probably. too bad. I spent all night on this. and all I wanted to do was make sure I could use docker on a linode!
23:58<hellertime>instead I've got an IPv6 blackhole
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23:59<Nightmare>what happens when you try to ping any of us back?
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.20529930, 0.71452180) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435249 of 553882 (π ≈ 3.143261561126738 - 0.001668907536945). http://π
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