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---Logopened Fri Aug 16 00:00:02 2013
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00:43<mason`>Hi Im having a problem with my DNS not resolving
00:43<mason`>Im getting 504 gateway time-out
00:43<bob2>insufficient details
00:44<mason`>What needs to be provided?
00:44<bob2>hostname, details of configuration
00:44<mason`>Because I dont know whats wrong with it Ive added A/AAAA records went over the nginx config file
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00:45<bob2>what makes you think there is a dns problem
00:46<bob2>sounds like you've just misconfigured nginx
00:46<Ikaros>Resolves fine. DNS has nothing to do with it.
00:46<mason`>Maybe theres not a dns problem *sorry I may have jumpped to conclusion
00:47<mason`>Vhost config
00:47<mason`>nginx config
00:47<bob2> output of 'sudo iptables -L -v -n ; sudo iptables -L -v -n -t nat ; ip a ; ip -6 a'
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00:51<@mdcollins>My guess: fastcgi/php-fpm is not running.
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00:54<mason`>mdcollins, does php-fpm need to be turned on over and over again or one run make it set until set to stop?
00:54<bob2>yeah, what mdcollins said
00:55<bob2>depends how you started it
00:55<mason`>/etc/init.d/php-fpm start
00:57<@mdcollins>It's typically a service that is running until you tell it to stop. If it's not working like that, then you probably have an issue.
00:57<@mdcollins>take a look for fastcgi or php-fpm in your /etc/init.d/ directory. You should find one of them, if they are installed.
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00:59<mason`>mdcollins, I have php-fpm no fastcgi?
01:00<bob2>you'll need to read your own nginx and php config now
01:00<bob2>and find out why they aren't talking to each otehr
01:00<mason`>bob2, what do you mean?
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01:00<@mdcollins>I don't know which you have installed however, if you do have one of those, try to start it and see if the issue goes away.
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01:01<mason`>bob2, is there an indication why the two are not talking?
01:03<bob2>you'll need to read your own config
01:03<bob2>since you've misconfigured them
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01:07<kyhwana>ugh, earthquakes
01:07<kyhwana>wellington again
01:07<kyhwana>6.6 around 1430
01:08<kyhwana>felt it here in hamilton
01:09<dcraig>does Hamilton have a lot of technology companies relative to other parts of NZ?
01:09<kyhwana>hmm, nah
01:10<kyhwana>we have a few
01:10<XReaper>kyhwana: we had a quake in aus a week ago
01:10<dcraig>XReaper tried to run somewhere bahaha
01:10<XReaper>dcraig: i'm not urmom
01:11<XReaper>actually we've had a few quakes here in the last few years
01:11<XReaper>down south tho
01:12<XReaper> :D
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01:12<XReaper>NZ is big RED
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01:15<XReaper>6.8... nasty
01:16<XReaper>kyhwana: well, according to that, you'd feel it over the whole of NZ
01:16<ajmitch_>meh, got downgraded to 6.2
01:16<ajmitch_>mostly just wellington that gets the excitement
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01:17<XReaper>ajmitch_: well, it was an australian site that said 6.8 :p
01:18<ajmitch_>geonet site in NZ originally said 6.9, was 6.2 a few minutes later after they had more info
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01:19<Ikaros>This is what USGS has on it:
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01:20<XReaper>i didn't know it was called the australia plate
01:22<XReaper>ajmitch_: stupid media
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01:23<ajmitch_>that's a satire site, but you'd think from the news that the earthquake was centred on wellington
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01:24<XReaper>love how close PNG is to the top of australia
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03:44<amitz>i read that as ruby against violence. so hipster...
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03:46<linbot>New news from forum: Cleaning up mailing list in /dev/random <>
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05:06<bacon>Happy Friday!
05:07<Peng>It *was* until I made that typo.
05:07<bacon>In spite of your efforts to make it not so, it still remains.
05:08<Peng>for *you* maybe
05:09<bacon>If it is for me then it is for everyone.
05:09<bacon>This is how the world works.
05:13<virtual>well, it's Friday, sure. But happy is a state of mind. :)
05:13<bacon>Happy is my neighbor's gardener.
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06:02<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:02<XReaper>Friday was happy until bacon showed up.
06:03*XReaper rolls up a linode and lights it
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06:15<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:15<vodka>how can bacon make you unhappy?
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06:20<XReaper>vodka: by not being on my breakfast cereal
06:20<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:20<XReaper>bacon topped corn flakes
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06:40<vodka>do you take your breakfast cereal with milk or with yoghurt?
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06:43<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:43<Peng>the tears of children
06:43<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:43<XReaper>Peng: nope, bacon.
06:43<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:43<XReaper>and instead of corn, it's actually bacon flakes
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06:44<virtual>after the 6th 'mmm bacon', I only now realise it's an auto response.
06:44<XReaper>You didn't know?
06:44<virtual>no, I didn't know that's the response mikegrb gives to bacon.
06:45<virtual>Maybe only when XReaper says it.
06:45<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
06:45<XReaper>You mean you still use slackware?
06:45<virtual>okay, let's try. No, I don't use slackware.
06:45<virtual>ooh, you're special, XReaper.
06:46<XReaper>No i'm not.
06:46<virtual>not in that way
06:46<XReaper>He doesn't always respond on the slackware trigger
06:46<virtual>oh yeah
06:46<virtual>maybe he's got an anti-boredom timer, so stops saying things for a while. bacon.
06:46<XReaper>random chance :)
06:47<XReaper>there is flood protection in the script
06:47<virtual>I prefer anti-boredom timer.
06:50<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
06:50<vodka>an anti-bacon timer
06:56<bacon>Never mind the notifications that /me hears
06:57<virtual>I was wondering... :)
06:57<vodka>I used irc for $work to give me nagios notifications for a while...
06:58<vodka>then some people started having a conversation about drinks here
06:58<vodka>in the middle of the night
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07:07<linbot>New news from forum: High disk io rate in General Discussion <>
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07:33*lakridserne slap linbot
07:34<XReaper>XReaper rolls up lakridserne's linode and lights it
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07:34*XReaper rolls up lakridserne's linode and lights it
07:34*lakridserne put XReapers Linode's on fire
07:35<XReaper>it's gentoo
07:35<XReaper>it's always on fire
07:35*dwfreed clubs lakridserne with apostrophes and s's
07:36<XReaper>Do linodes get you high?
07:36*lakridserne hides
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08:22<pronto>one of verizons tweets today makes me wantto kill kittens
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08:26<virtual>why so?
08:26<virtual>I think I'm missing something fundamental.
08:27<Yaakov>pronto doesn't like marketing.
08:27<virtual>oh, so it's a general hatred, not something specific.
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08:28*Peng pastes Linode sticker on pronto
08:28<virtual>I don't like how people use the term 'cloud' in the majority of cases.
08:28*dwfreed mails pronto the entire collection of Linode shirts, stickers, chapstick, and promo cards
08:28<virtual>As if it's a 'thing' you can just turn on.
08:29<dwfreed>oh, and don't forget the wristbands, if we still have any
08:30<XReaper>virtual: what, you don't like how people use the term 'my butt'
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08:30<Yaakov>XReaper: Is that were you store your big data?
08:31<XReaper>Yaakov: it keeps falling out
08:31<XReaper>and getting flushed down the loo
08:31<XReaper>oh wait
08:31<XReaper>that's my poop
08:31<cloudster>hey pronto and virtual you must love my nick then :))))
08:32<XReaper>Yaakov: no, i don't store my big data there :(
08:32<virtual>Depends, cloudster - can you be turned on?
08:32<cloudster>which is actually not about THE cloud, but in general, couldn't think of anything less stupid at the given moment.
08:32<cloudster>and clouds (not those digitalesque ones :D) are white and fluffy.
08:32<cloudster>can't do bad.
08:32<Yaakov>cloudster: Change your nick to "Nebulon".
08:33<cloudster>Yaakov: nebulster.
08:33<Yaakov>Nebuloster, perhaps.
08:33<virtual>I just want to add, what do you guys think of the term 'fog computing'?
08:33<Peng>fog creek?
08:34<virtual>When I saw this, I wept:
08:34<XReaper>can't find my phone
08:34<Yaakov>Use the Frech: nébuleux.
08:34<Peng>"Nebulon" sounds like some sort of supervillain with a helmet, black cape and antigravity boots.
08:34<virtual>I want the antigrav boots.
08:35<Yaakov>virtual: I think "fog" is a terrible choice, from a marketing perspective, but otherwise, it's not so bad.
08:36<cloudster>we have cloud and droplets... I wonder why no product/service/methodology/approach is called "shitstorm" then.
08:36<pronto>Peng: i already have a linode tshirt, so yay stickers
08:36<cloudster>"We can deploy shitstorm into your cloud as a good measure for the safety of your data". Would sound so convincing.
08:37<virtual>I may not buy that.
08:37<Peng>pronto: !!!
08:38<XReaper>how do i aquire linode t-shirts and stickers?
08:38<Peng>cloudster: Maybe it should be a ChaosMonkey competitor?
08:39<Yaakov>Maybe tge taxonomy for cloud computing needs some granularity. Like, Linode 'nodes would be Cirrus and hosted appliances would be Cumulus, etc.
08:39<XReaper>cloudster: "we store your backups in the same server as your rack so as to assure maximum data loss in the case of a rack fire"
08:39*Peng buys and
08:40<XReaper>MINE D:
08:40<Yaakov>I would be VERY impressed if those were actually available.
08:40*pronto buys
08:40<Peng>Yaakov: My VC funding can cover it.
08:40<Yaakov>"The Linode Cloud networking is lightning fast!"
08:40<HoopyCat>i'm still waiting for
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08:41*XReaper buys the company who owns so he can have it
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08:42<XReaper>then i'd totally come into here with that as the rdns
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08:43<Yaakov>Get the .cloud TLD!
08:43*XReaper makes a company called LiNode
08:45<pronto>XReaper: we should doo bsdnode
08:45<pronto>and only use freebsd!
08:45<XReaper>and only use bdsm linux
08:45<pronto>linux sucks
08:45<branko>Use only bdsm then!
08:46<pronto>okay ;D
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08:46<branko>What's the state of ZFS in latest FreeBSD, while we're at it?
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08:51<branko>Should've seen it coming...
08:51<pronto>thats what she said
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08:58<XReaper>hah :D
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09:23*pronto is mucking about with GPO stuff in winserver2012, this is me:
09:24<s00ner> lol
09:24<XReaper>pronto: how are you liking server 2012?
09:24<XReaper>or not, as it were
09:25<pronto>XReaper: *shrugs* i still prefer linux 'cas thats what i know. very little exp with any winserver
09:25<pronto>its okay i guess, easy to do hyper-v stuff
09:25<pronto>its a bitch to demote a server from being a domain controller
09:25<XReaper>it's better than S08R2
09:28<Yaakov>I am developing a hypoviser for laid-back computing.
09:30<m0unds>ws2k8 etc aren't too bad to work with once you're familiar with it
09:31<XReaper>m0unds: yah
09:31<XReaper>m0unds: 2012 has some awesome disk pooling stuff though
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09:31<XReaper>and software ethernet trunking
09:31<m0unds>did they roll in the stuff from whs2011 or whatever it was?
09:31<XReaper>m0unds: yeah
09:31<m0unds>because i'd heard people loved that
09:32<m0unds>i never used it myself
09:32<XReaper>well, dynamic volumes are like linux's LVM
09:33<XReaper>there's some cool stuff
09:33<XReaper>very enterprisey
09:34<XReaper>might be on ec2, could probs afford a micro instance for a few hours to mess around on it
09:35<XReaper>help me decide what ip address to give my nameserver
09:36<XReaper>blah:e000-999 is the options :p
09:42<virtual>I'll give you a free tip: Avoid Indian datacentres.
09:43<virtual>They will test your patience.
09:43<trippeh>XReaper: Its always been software trunking. I guess they just moved out of the vendor drivers.
09:43<trippeh>moved it, even
09:43<XReaper>trippeh: yeah, it's native now
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09:46<XReaper>trippeh: that and redesigned storage pools as seen in WHS
09:46<trippeh>Windows is notorious for having stuff duplicated by every vendor doing it by themselfes in the drivers
09:46<trippeh>Which is a horrid mess
09:46<virtual>The "we can do it better" mentality.
09:47<XReaper>win8 needed way less vendor drivers than win7
09:47<XReaper>native usb3 support was a good one
09:47<trippeh>virtual: More "windows doesnt do it for us so we have to"?
09:47<virtual>okay, that too. :)
09:47<virtual>Now, Windows doesn't even do... windows very well.
09:47<trippeh>Of course they could also use it as a "value add" over consumer offerings ;)
09:47<virtual>(win8, I mean)
09:48<XReaper>virtual: ey, they had to do it... and some say 8.1 didn't go far enough
09:49<XReaper>virtual: and you can tell the people that complain don't use linux...
09:49<XReaper>gnome and unity don't have menus anymore
09:50<XReaper>and people LOVE those
09:50<virtual>yeah, ubuntu confuses me.
09:50<virtual>what happened to *vwms :)
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09:53<virtual>I feel like I'm cheating by using Mac OS X now.
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09:54<virtual>okay, not really.
09:55<m0unds>i can't wait for the maverick update so i can stop having to look at all the skeuomorphic shit in osx
09:55<m0unds>so sick of it
09:55<m0unds>OR PAPER
09:55<m0unds>SO AMAZING OMG
09:55<m0unds>except it's not at all amazing or awesome
09:55<virtual>Are tehy going to make it all flat?
09:55<virtual>I quite like the fake 3d effect, since windows 98.
09:55<m0unds>the screenshots i've seen of it have had most of that stuff stripped out
09:55<virtual>I mean, '95
09:56<m0unds>the paper, leather, etc
09:56<virtual>but I'm sure I'll get used to the non 3d. The paper/leather stuff - yes, punch it in the head.
09:56<virtual>I do like the drop shadow too... so I guess I like bits and pieces.
09:57<m0unds>shadows and stuff don't bother me as much as leather
09:57<m0unds>it never made sense in the context of a computer ui. they tried to make a case for it on ios because they're touchscreen devices
09:58<trippeh>m0unds: But but but its merging!
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09:59<virtual>hey if they made a screen out of leather, and made it look like paper, would the world implode?
09:59<m0unds>hahaha - iDiary
10:00<m0unds>or iJournal, comes with a nice red ribbon to mark the screen you were on
10:00<virtual>I'm looking forward to the next iOS update. The gradients might get a bit tiresome, but not losing screen space to stuff that is not needed == good thing.
10:01<virtual>actually, hmm. there is not much of this skeumorphism in iOS built in apps - e.g. calendar, contacts, mail - it's just a gradient 'menu' bar.
10:02<m0unds>depends on the device - the calendar has torn paper stuff and leather on ipads iirc
10:02<virtual>ahhh, not got my ipad handy.
10:03<virtual>it does have that torn paper + leather look on OS X for sure too.
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10:15<XReaper>lack of a bulk editor in the linode dns makes me want to host all my domains myself
10:16<trippeh>Just slave' em
10:16<XReaper>trippeh: that is implied
10:16<pronto>mmm slaves
10:16<trippeh>Then you can do fancy stuff like DNSSEC signing on hidden master too.
10:16<XReaper>trippeh: and move the compatible ones to a registrar that does DNSSEC
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10:17<XReaper>trippeh: the master isn't hidden tho :/
10:17<trippeh>Beware that a lot of regs only do DNSSEC for domains they actually host.
10:17<XReaper>gandi doesn't do .me
10:17<XReaper>trippeh: ...dafuq
10:17<XReaper>ds records mang!
10:17<trippeh>Eg doesnt allow you to add your own DS records if you delegate somewhere else.
10:17<XReaper>that's all it is
10:18<XReaper>that's against regs
10:18<XReaper>trippeh: i use dlv for and
10:20<trippeh>XReaper: I'm sure "they are working on it" ;)
10:20<trippeh>"check back in 2014"
10:20<trippeh>in 2014, check back in 2015
10:20<XReaper>they do .com etc
10:20<XReaper>....they don't even add ds records with tickets
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10:34<XReaper>how do i force bind to send notifies?
10:35<dwfreed>also-notify {}
10:35<dwfreed>if you want it to send a set of notifies $now, rndc notify zone.
10:35<XReaper>right, forgot the tool
10:36<XReaper>annoying the nameserver records won't be fixed till tomorrow :(
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10:40<XReaper>zonefile only has 84 lines :(
10:42<XReaper>...of binary
10:42<binaryatrocity>did somebody say BINARY!?
10:42<XReaper>hallo :P
10:44<XReaper>almost the time of the year i need to generate new keys!
10:45<XReaper> lul
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11:05<XReaper>pronto: ?
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11:29<XReaper>woo, stupid registrar escalates to level two
11:30<dwfreed>XReaper: yeah, didn't you notice the others were at level 2?
11:30<XReaper>dwfreed: i did :)
11:30<XReaper>won't get a response till morning... if i'm lucky
11:30<XReaper>i hope they work weekends :S
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11:42<bostonian>How do most people monitor services/uptime across a large network? I've looked at Nagios/Monit/Munin/Icinga/Zabbix/etc but they all seem kind of old and hard to use...
11:43<virtual>nagios is what we use here - used to use zenoss.
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11:43<virtual>3,000+ nodes, 1,000 or so network devices.
11:44<XReaper>virtual: :o
11:44<virtual>'here' != linode btw.
11:45<bostonian>virtual: hmm, we were originally looking at Nagios, but it seems like some warn against it (
11:45<tubaguy>there's a lot of hate
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11:45<virtual>bostonian: I think a bunch of people here think it's the best of a bad bunch.
11:46<virtual>performance is an issue, but I think partly because the guys running it here don't truly know (or have been given time) to set it up properly.
11:46<tubaguy>bostonian: The comments of that article get pretty hilarious. The author hasn't actually done nagios in big environments
11:46<virtual>Same with the old ZenOSS stuff.
11:46<XReaper>tubaguy: and i guess 3,000+ nodes, 1,000 or so network devices classifies as big :)
11:46<tubaguy>XReaper: I'd hope so
11:47<pronto>XReaper: ?
11:47<virtual>we have 22 sites, 22 remote nagios instances, etc.
11:47<XReaper>pronto: you don't like my site?
11:47<tubaguy>virtual: nice
11:47<pronto>XReaper: i hate it
11:47<XReaper>pronto: why? :O
11:47<pronto>XReaper: idunno
11:48<virtual>btw. I do not run the nagios infrastructure. I'm just a lowly network guy.
11:48<virtual>But, we did have our ZenOSS monitoring disabled before nagios was fully up. That was fun. :)
11:48*XReaper goes off to make a vegemite sandwich
11:49<tubaguy>bostonian: I've tried check_mk and Icinga, nothing was easier to script for than nagios imo.
11:50<virtual>yes - the scriptability of nagios is legendary. Even puppet can do some automagic stuff.
11:51<bostonian>woah, that sounds great. I use salt, but extensibility is good regardless
11:51<pronto>...well then, i go to lunch, while at lunch coworker breaks DHCPD for the lab, then leaves to go on vacation, (he shouldnt even of been here today xD)
11:51<pronto>XReaper: :(
11:51<tubaguy>XReaper: stahp using xampp
11:52<virtual>pronto: That's a really awesome colleague you have working with you!
11:52<pronto>virtual: :D
11:52<virtual>I have a colleague similar. He's actually awesome, but sometimes, you wonder what was going through his mind. :)
11:52<pronto>virtual: at least he left a note
11:52<XReaper>tubaguy: ...stop using what?
11:52<virtual>hahaha, nice.
11:53<tubaguy>XReaper: /me facepalm. That points to my local. Damn.
11:53<XReaper>tubaguy: haha :)
11:54*pronto celerypalm
11:54<dwfreed>tubaguy: ol
11:54<dwfreed>tubaguy: stahp using xampp
11:54<tubaguy>dwfreed: :) 'tis a developer laptop that they put shit on.
11:54<XReaper>tubaguy: literal shit in this case ;)
11:54<tubaguy>XReaper: In most cases. They are awful people.
11:55<XReaper>gonna get it signed
11:55<XReaper>and not put the ds records in
11:55<dwfreed>virtual: I'm guessing each site also monitors the availability of all the other sites' nagios instances?
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12:00<virtual>dwfreed: that would be smart, but I think they've missed that trick.
12:00<virtual>There is one 'core' site.
12:00<virtual>(partly due to dumb design by previous network guys)
12:01<virtual>I say 'dumb design' - but really, it was a one man band for a while
12:02<Ttech>Would I have to open a ticket to find out why my linode rebooted yesterday? I'm just curious and wondering if I missed a ticket.
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12:03<XReaper>Ttech: sure
12:03<virtual>Ttech: Nothing showing up when you do (on manager) 'Support' -> 'show all tickets'?
12:04<XReaper>Ttech: did you check the lish logs?
12:04<virtual>actualyl, here's a link for the tickets bit:
12:04<Ttech>Nope, only shows the last ticket I opened. And the lassie thing just shows "boot up @ time"
12:04<XReaper>lassie kills unresponsive linodes
12:04<pronto>you murderer
12:04<Ttech>XReaper: Wouldn't it say that though?
12:04<XReaper>there is a heartbeat check
12:04<Ttech>Or just "system starting up"
12:05<XReaper>Ttech: it will just have the lassie job
12:05<Ttech>hm. the last lassie I got before the power on (yesterday) was when I turned on the system in january.
12:07<XReaper>Ttech: is there a boot job?
12:07<XReaper>(for the current boot)
12:07<Ttech>just a boot job
12:07<XReaper>If it crashed, that's all you'll get
12:08<XReaper>should say 'lassie initiated boot'
12:08<Ttech>Ah. Okay. Thats what would have happened then.
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12:08<XReaper>check the logs, might have oomed
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12:40*XReaper decides to keep bandwidth alert at 5Mb/s
12:40<tubaguy>why you do this?
12:40<XReaper>you see, if tor keeps working, i'll fill my inbox
12:43<XReaper>that cn should be a jp :(
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12:45*pronto hands XReaper ≋≋≋ (bacon)
12:45*XReaper noms the bacon
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12:53*lakridserne loves bacon
12:53<ghosticus>i don't
12:54<ghosticus>mainly because he's a jerk
12:54<XReaper>php took a long time to compile :S
12:57<bacon>To all but ghosticus
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13:11<ghosticus>with a great huge love?
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13:32<KamiNuvini>Has anyone here used idera/R1soft backup agent with Linode before? Seems like I need to get pv-grub for that but I'm not sure
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14:15<colinsherry>if you take a snapshot of a fps does it go down during the duration of the snaphot
14:15<colinsherry>i mean vps
14:16<colinsherry>And, can you automate snapshots
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14:17<@jchen>colinsherry: if you're talking about our Backup Service, then no to going down, yes to automation
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14:20<colinsherry>I mean the manual snapshot. I might be getting confused as I currently run all my servers on EC2 nd I can create a snapshot and then create a new instance from this. is the Linode snapshot the same.
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14:23<rohara>Yes you can create a manu snapshot and restore from it.
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14:24<@wblew>colinsherry: Also, your Linode will be accessible when taking a manual snapshot
14:24<colinsherry>is a snapshot the same as a backup then, the difference being ones automated and the other isn't
14:24<rohara>Yeah and the snapshot won't expire until you create a new snapshot.
14:25<@jchen>colinsherry: you might be interested in this as well for automating server builds:
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14:33<colinsherry>Ok, I am still not 100% sure on the backup procedure because it says in the docs that you can restore if there is enough disk space. What I want to do is backup a linode and if everything goes wrong restore that backup, configuration and data.
14:34<colinsherry>so if I have a linode with 192gb of storage if i back it up can I overwrite it from a backup.
14:35<@alexf>backups are complete disk images. The images will be as big as the filesystem needs them to be. You will need that much space on your Linode unallocated to another disk image in order to restore a backup.
14:37<@alexf>also, if you want to make a copy into a new instance, you can use the clone option at any time, without the need to make a new snapshot
14:37<hawk>colinsherry: If you do not have free space you can restore to a new linode or if you are sure you need nothing from the current disks you can remove the current disk images first, then restore.
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14:40<hawk>colinsherry: The point is just that restoring creates "new" disk images. So you'd need to free up space first or restore elsewhere.
14:42<colinsherry>If I want to restore the backup to get something off it i will need to create a new linode which I will have to pay for the month. Or I could create an image less than half the size of the one linode and have both on the same Linode. is that correct?
14:42<@jchen>colinsherry: no
14:43<@jchen>colinsherry: the restored disk image will be as big as the data inside the disk image
14:43<@jchen>therefore, if you can fit both the live disk image and the restored disk image on one Linode, you dont need a second Linode
14:44<hawk>colinsherry: Well, you'd pay for one day (and have 1 month minus 1 day credit) if you go down the path of restoring to a new linode
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14:45<colinsherry>Ok I think I understand that. if I have an image of 80G I could have t he main image and a backup of that image on a 192G linode and boot between the 2
14:46<colinsherry>How does the pricing work then. if i boot a sec on linode for the day, which costs $80 for example, I will be billed $80 but credited back 30 days
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14:50<hawk>Next invoice you'd have that deducted from the price
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14:55<colinsherry>cool, I can handle that. But I do have a custom that wants me to keep 7 days worth of backups. Can I get them offsite or stored elsewhere as I believe the backups are overwritten
14:55<GLaDOSDan>Any known issues in London atm?
14:57<Yaakov>GLaDOSDan: Urban congestion, violent crime, Parliament.
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15:02<GLaDOSDan>Snap Amanda smells
15:03<@jchen>colinsherry: if you want 7 days worth of backups, I would recommend you roll your own, using something like
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15:03<Perihelion>I actually smell pretty good today, thanks.
15:03<@jchen>mike can probably confirm
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15:17<gparent>< Yaakov> GLaDOSDan: Urban congestion, violent crime, Parliament.
15:17<gparent>that should definitely be on the status page
15:17<bacon>Also, too many brits.
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15:21<colinsherry>thanks for all your help guys
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15:22<@jchen>np hf welcome to linode :P
15:22<rohara>He already parted, but good try.
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15:44<KamiNuvini>Is there any maintenance on Longview atm?
15:44<KamiNuvini>I can see uptime and system information but the graphs say there is no data
15:45<@psandin>KamiNuvini: try it again now
15:46<KamiNuvini>psandin: Looks like I can see the last 25 minutes, but not before that point
15:48<alnewkirk>longview is pretty damn nice
15:48<alnewkirk>... now if I could just issue alerts based on those metrics
15:48<alnewkirk>... or get read-access to the API it reports to
15:50*psandin glances around nervously
15:50<@psandin>alnewkirk: chrome's network inspector
15:50<@psandin>well it was a good run
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15:56<williamtdr>I'm trying to compile PHP on my Linode, and it doesn't work.
15:56<KamiNuvini>Whats going wrong? :)
15:56<williamtdr>I think it's something to do with the processor/Xen.
15:56<williamtdr>I run the compile script.
15:56<williamtdr>and the php version it spits out
15:56<williamtdr>whenever I run it
15:56<KamiNuvini>What makes you think that? I have compiled PHP on Linode a few weeks ago and worked fine
15:56<williamtdr>just states "Illegal instruction (core dumped)".
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15:57<Spyro>did you build it for the correct processor?
15:57<williamtdr>How do I specify that?
15:58<williamtdr>Using this script:
15:58<williamtdr>Added the line to enable mysql too.
16:02<CoolMatty>so, got my first mechanical keyboard in over 15 years. How long until these things are standard again >.>
16:02<HoopyCat>williamtdr: that looks exciting. which distro/version are you running?
16:03<williamtdr>HoopyCat: Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.
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16:03<@jchen>CoolMatty: which one did you get?
16:03<@jchen>please don't say razer
16:03<HoopyCat>beer alarm just went off. afk!
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16:05<m0unds>unicomp or gtfo
16:06<CoolMatty>jchen: k I won't say it. (j/k) It is a "gamer" keyboard though, the Corsair VENGEANCE. I liked the build quality and I do play some games, so I didn't want to get cherry mx blues or anything crazy.
16:07<@jchen>those aren't bad
16:07<@jchen>CoolMatty: <3 me some mx reds as wel
16:08<@jchen>i have a poker II with cherry mx red switches, they're the bomb
16:08<CoolMatty>Yeah, I'm liking them too. Overall I've just noticed that I tend to make a lot less typoes with this keyboard than my previous rubbery one.
16:08<@jchen>i can't use membrane derp keyboards anymore
16:08<@jchen>thank god the mbp scissor switches aren't trash
16:09<CoolMatty>Now I just need a portable version of Synergy so whenever I go out to a site, I can just plug in the USB and use my macbook's keyboard to type, haha
16:09<@jchen>just get a 60% keyboard like the poker II. it's pretty damn portable
16:10<m0unds>paused for a second when i read that - our surveillance platform is called synergy
16:10<m0unds>so i was confused
16:10<CoolMatty>I think there's 80 things called synergy
16:10<m0unds>yep, only one exists in my brain and it's the thing i work with every day
16:10<CoolMatty>Yeah, I'm just not surprised there was confusion :P
16:12<CoolMatty>lol this site on the Poker 2: "great for gaming"... it has blue switches. It is decidedly /not/ good for gaming haha
16:12<@jchen>CoolMatty: they make them with all kinds of switches
16:12<@jchen>oh, yeah
16:13<@jchen>blue switches are suck
16:13<CoolMatty>yeah I mean I wouldn't mind it for that keyboard since it'd definitely be just for work (Typing)
16:13<CoolMatty>but calling it good for gaming is hilarious
16:13<@jchen>this is where I got mine from:
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16:14<m0unds>are there any mechanical keyboards that are sort of compact, but sstill have the 10-key?
16:15<@jchen>m0unds: like w/o the function key row?
16:15<@jchen>i dont think so
16:16<CoolMatty>numpad 4 lyfe
16:16<KamiNuvini>a friend of mine has this set:
16:16<m0unds>yeah, i use it too often - i'm ok having the function keys, but i'm just space limited in my office at home
16:16<CoolMatty>they need one of those roll-out keyboards that has a bag on the end with all the key switches in it haha
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16:18<IceyEC>does anybody know if Linode plans to or already does accept bitcoin for payment?
16:19<Perihelion>Not at this time
16:19<@jchen>all I can think of
16:19<m0unds>oh, interesting
16:19<@jchen>the cm keyboards are usually pretty good
16:19<@jchen>I have two QFR's, one red one blue
16:19<m0unds>cool, i'll check that out
16:19<@jchen>good entry level kb
16:19<@jchen>their ABS keycaps are trash tho
16:19<@akerl>jchen is a keyboard snob
16:20<@jchen>I got a set of PBT dyesub replacements on my QFR red
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16:20<@jchen>heh akerl
16:21<Perihelion>Am I a bad person for owning a das?
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16:21<@akerl>Only if you bring it to the office
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16:22<@jchen>Perihelion: das keyboards are sweet, but i hate the glossy fingerprint-attractor
16:22<CoolMatty>also, media keys for life >.>
16:22<@jchen>there are some pretty cool case mods for das
16:22<@jchen>CoolMatty: overrated :P
16:22<CoolMatty>nothing is more valuable than the almighty mute button
16:23<@akerl>chicklets for lyfe
16:23<@jchen>s/for lyfe/are death
16:23<Nivex>(as Rammstein) das. das key. das keyboard.
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16:24*jchen inserts pyrotechnics here
16:24<CoolMatty>btw, am I the only person that elevates the back of their keyboard like a full inch
16:24<@jchen>CoolMatty: i dont use the feet :|
16:24<@jchen>then again my typing style is "break your wrist" style
16:24<CoolMatty>Oh I use it, and I elevate it more. I have two ancient cassette tape cases that i use to raise it further.
16:24<@tparker>jchen has four broken wrists
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16:24<@jchen>is your wrist at like a 90 degree angle
16:25<CoolMatty>probably more like 20 degrees
16:25<@jchen>tparker: i have broken my wrists more than 4 times, but from snowboarding :P
16:25<CoolMatty>but way more than feet do lol
16:25<@heckman>jchen: never pictured you as a snowboarder.
16:25<CoolMatty>I prefer to give my keys stadium style seating, naturally.
16:26<@jchen>heckman: hehe i stopped when I entered the super competitive regional/all-state orchestra scene
16:26<@jchen>then again, I no longer do violin because I broke my wrist whilst doing some other shiz
16:27<@jchen>ironic much?
16:27<CoolMatty>I can just see a conductor going on stage with a cast on his arm, trying to conduct
16:27<@jchen>i used to be pretty decent, if I may say so
16:27<@jchen>now im probably trash
16:27<CoolMatty>hey, violin here, even if I am horribly bad at it (still learning)
16:28<Perihelion>I've been playing for ~7 months or so
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16:28<@jchen>i started when i was 5
16:28<@jchen>and stopped senior year of hs
16:28<Perihelion>Yeah, I did the clarinet thing for a while
16:28<Perihelion>I still technically play, just not with an ensemble
16:29<newbie>I haven't played violin, but I've played piano
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16:29<@jchen>i played the recorder, does that count?
16:29<Perihelion>Haha, good enough
16:29<lakridserne>jchen: No
16:29<@jchen>i used to play the piano too, also stopped when went hard core violin time
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16:29<@jchen>i was a hard core asian back in the day
16:30<lakridserne>I stopped this year
16:30<Perihelion>I've played one of these bad boys too:
16:30<Perihelion>It breaks everything you thought you knew about recorders
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16:30<Perihelion>He basically just makes a bunch of awful noises on it but still
16:30<lakridserne>Perihelion: lol
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16:32<@jchen>ok i wasn't that hard core... i played the recorder for all of like 3 minutes in elementary school
16:32<@jchen>the extent of my repertoire was "hot cross buns"
16:32<Perihelion>Haha yeah, that was mostly the extent of my recorder playing. A friend of mine owns several different ones and let me try it/I played with her family at a show
16:33<Perihelion>It's basically like a big retarded saxophone without a reed
16:34<lakridserne>You haven't considered making a Linode band?
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16:49<linbot>New news from forum: IP / DNS - Sorcery in Linux Networking <>
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17:00<linbot>lakridserne: Point (0.66771000, 0.74413684) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435276 of 553921 (π ≈ 3.143235226683950 - 0.001642573094156). http://π
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18:26<KamiNuvini>I'll probably have to run a pv-grub kernel for something, does this have any downsides? Like performance or something?
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18:32<@jchen>not really all that much
18:35<KamiNuvini>Alright- good to know. I'll probably swap to it tomorrow, hoping all goes well, thanks
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18:36<andres_>Hello, I have a problem on a VPS, Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 502 (Bad Gateway)
18:37<andres_>settings has always been either not happening now.
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18:37<andres_>I'm using WSGI and Django
18:40<ghosticus>what web server are you using?
18:42<andres_>ghosticus: nginx
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18:43<ghosticus>are you using uWSGI?
18:43-!-hfb_ [] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
18:43<ghosticus>sounds like nginx is having problems talking to your app
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18:45<andres_>ghosticus: *10 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: my_ip, server:, request: "POST /account/register/ HTTP/1.1", upstream: "uwsgi://", host: "", referrer: ""
18:46<@jchen>andres_: pastebin `netstat -plant | grep 3031`, ran as root or with sudo
18:46<@jchen>oh wait
18:46<@jchen>that sounds like it might just be an application issue, not a uwsgi issue
18:46<@jchen>check your uwsgi logs and application logs
18:48<andres_>Yes, but I find nothing interesting to help me
18:48-!-SuPaJeRm2 [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
18:48<andres_>Respawned uWSGI worker 2 (new pid: 19109)
18:49<andres_>{40 vars in 910 bytes} [Sat Aug 17 00:09:37 2013] GET /account/register/ => generated 7257 bytes in 21 msecs
18:49<ghosticus>all is well now?
18:50<andres_>but I get the error 502
18:51<andres_>the same error when use ?q=my_search
18:51<andres_>502 Bad Gateway
18:51<@jchen>turn on more verbose logging on uwsgi
18:51<@jchen>also does your django application not have its own log?
18:52<@jchen>pastebin the bits before the respawn in uwsgi logs please
18:52<ghosticus>most likely an error in the app
18:53<@jchen>could also be because uwsgi isn't configured correctly
18:54<ghosticus>that too!
18:54<andres_>0:10:10 2013 - HARAKIRI: --- uWSGI worker 1 (pid: 19102) WAS managing request /account/register/ since S
18:54<@jchen>andres_: more.
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18:56<andres_>this is configuration uWSGI
18:56<andres_>i'm use ubuntu 12.04 tls
19:00<ghosticus>how about your app, any logs?
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20:13<andres_>guys for a supplier problem?
20:14<andres_>raceback (most recent call last): File "<console>", line 1, in <module> File "/home/andres/test/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/mail/", line 255, in send return self.get_connection(fail_silently).send_messages([self]) File "/home/andres/test/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/django/core/mail/backends/", line 88, in send_messages new_conn_created = File "/home/andres/test/local/lib
20:14<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
20:14<dwfreed>for one, because that's impossible to read :)
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20:37<Peng>for another, it was cut off before it got to anything useful.
20:40<@jchen>i for one
20:40<linbot>New news from forum: IP / DNS - Sorcery in Linux Networking <>
20:41<Kellin>evenin' dwfreed !
20:41*EugeneKay sneezes
20:41<dwfreed>Kellin: hi
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20:44<Kellin>hooray for the weekend
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20:45<Peng>hooray beer
20:45<dwfreed>today is monday morning :(
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20:47<ghosticus>dwfreed is in the future
20:48<dwfreed>no, dwfreed works weekends
20:48<dwfreed>and so today is the first day of his work week, thus it is monday
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20:50<ghosticus>dwfreed has a mean case of the mondays
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20:55<dr_jkl>hey jchen
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21:00<Peng>that's a technical term, eh?
21:01<ghosticus>"broke-assed" ?
21:01<dr_jkl>yes. :)
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21:01<dwfreed>dr_jkl: works for me
21:01<dr_jkl>does it?
21:01<dwfreed>most recent one I see is
21:01<ghosticus>wfm too
21:03<dr_jkl>oh cool
21:03<dr_jkl>DNTM started filtering twitter. That's odd.
21:04<dr_jkl>Yay now it works for me.
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21:08<m0unds>i'm a big fan of the technical term "borked"
21:09<dwfreed>how about "bonkers" ?
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21:09<m0unds>bonkers makes me think of
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22:12<funnyboy243>Hello there.
22:12<funnyboy243>Hello there!
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22:13<benuphoenix>how do i synchronize maildir mailboxes between two servers?
22:13<funnyboy243>Ask Mindy on how to synchronize maildir mailboxes between two servers.
22:14<benuphoenix>who's that?
22:14<funnyboy243>What does "that" refer to?
22:14<funnyboy243>Quite honestly, I have to take a big shit right now.
22:15-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*] by ChanServ
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22:16<benuphoenix>funnyboy243 was a bot?
22:16<benuphoenix>hard to tell sometimes
22:17<dwfreed>it responded to every line, including my '...'
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22:18*benuphoenix reasks question, as it was in the middle of a bot block
22:18<benuphoenix>how do i synchronize maildir mailboxes between two servers?
22:18<dwfreed>easiest way would be to just rsync them
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22:19<dwfreed>or make each mail server also forward a copy of incoming mail to the other
22:19<benuphoenix>i need it so that i can connect to either and still have same structure
22:20<dwfreed>yeah, either solution would work for that
22:21<rogerhub>You can also look into using inotifywait with rsync, or even NFS
22:23<m0unds>turrible bot
22:23<benuphoenix>i have, for the mailboxes affected by my mirror setup: -> (odin || jord) -> odin with both odin and jord responding to same smtp account.
22:24<benuphoenix>the goal is to have it so they are mostly redundant
22:25<benuphoenix>having to always connect to imap on odin isn't good
22:25<@jchen>check out something like drbd
22:25<benuphoenix>is that in a debian package?
22:26<benuphoenix>annd what is it?
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22:27<benuphoenix>will it work between linodes on opposite sides of the us?
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22:32<benuphoenix>does rsync require server-client setup?
22:33<benuphoenix>or is there a way to do it where either side can initiate connection?
22:33<EugeneKay>You need to have the `rsync` binary on both ends of a transfer, yes.
22:33<EugeneKay>You can initiate the operation either direction, yes.
22:34<benuphoenix>so the daemon woud be running on both?
22:34<benuphoenix>i want them equal
22:34<EugeneKay>rsync is not a daemon
22:34<dwfreed>EugeneKay: it can be
22:34<EugeneKay>(though there is a daemon for the rsync protocol you can use)
22:34<dwfreed>EugeneKay: yes, and it's rsync
22:35<dwfreed>EugeneKay: rsync is both a daemon and a client
22:35<EugeneKay>(but that's really only used for providing public open mirrors of $SOFTWARE)
22:35<dwfreed>it's all in the same binary
22:35<EugeneKay>In the situation benuphoenix is talking about, syncing user data between servers, that isn't what would be appropriate, so I discarded it
22:36<EugeneKay>ANYWAY. The fundamental problem with a HA setup like you want is in the synchronization
22:36<EugeneKay>Basically, rsync-ing both ways makes it unpossible to delete files - it'll just get recreated by the "dumb" sync.
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22:37<dwfreed>EugeneKay: not necessarily
22:37<benuphoenix>(part of same thing) how do i get postfix+dovecot+mysql to cache emails that are being sent to an alias on another server if the server is down?
22:37<EugeneKay>If you make it smart, yes.
22:37<EugeneKay>A simpler way to have HA mail is to only do a single canon host for your final destination(IMAP access), and then have a backup host that spools mail until the master is back up.
22:37<EugeneKay>It's not HA-access, but HA-receive.
22:38<EugeneKay>For true "HA" you need some sort of shared or replicated storage, such as DRBD or a clustered filesystem
22:38<EugeneKay>Or, as dwfreed implies, a sync system smart enough to recognize which set of changes is newer, and deal with the differences(a hard problem)
22:38<benuphoenix>that's what i have, without the spool. (the "simpler way" you referred to)
22:39<benuphoenix>i want the spool
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22:39<EugeneKay>That's pretty easy.
22:39<EugeneKay>sec, I'll dump my postfix config for ya
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22:41<EugeneKay>....if I can find my notes :-/
22:41<EugeneKay>Stupid laptop
22:41<benuphoenix>aren't they all?
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22:42<EugeneKay>Hm. Can't find them.
22:42*benuphoenix whispers to his laptop, "No offense...wan't referring to you, Hera..."
22:44<EugeneKay>Hah, I have my salt configs! Duh
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22:44<EugeneKay>relay_recipient_maps and relay_domains are the important options
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22:45<EugeneKay>Change the {{variables}} to suit, and you'll probably want to use mysql maps instead of the static hashes I'm doing
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22:47<EugeneKay> is a list of valid domains to receive mail for; boxes and forwards are both a list of addresses within those domains that are valid to accept
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22:47<EugeneKay>The first two map right back to their original values; the latter maps to the forward destination for a given address. You should be able to recreate the same in mysql easily.
22:48<EugeneKay>The last is only really used on my final destination mailserver; I use it here out of convenience(two box lists to maintain, not three)
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23:01<benuphoenix>i think there may automatically be a queue
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23:01<dikal>hi all
23:01<dikal>anybody from sales here ?
23:02<dwfreed>just ask away
23:02<dwfreed>there are 476 people here, I'm sure one of us knows the answer
23:03<dikal>can i host legal adult content on linode ?
23:03<dwfreed>so long as it's legal under US law, yes
23:03<dikal>do they have any servers located in eu region ?
23:03<dwfreed>there's a London datacenter
23:04<Peng>But you still have to follow US law.
23:04<dikal>okie., you mean they follow DMCA
23:04<Peng>And all other US laws.
23:04<Peng>And probably UK law as well when using the UK data center.
23:04<farfromhere>There's the ToS
23:04<dikal>hmm., thanks
23:05<dikal>what control panel does it comes with ? as i am fimiliar with directadmin,cpanel.
23:05<Peng>None. You can install one if you want to.
23:05<Peng>You'd have to buy a license on your own, though.
23:06<dikal>okie., i have dedicated server but its overkill for my sites and i am planning to switch to vps.,
23:06<dikal>are the vps managed ?
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23:06<silver>hi there
23:06<farfromhere>unmanaged, but they offer a managed option
23:06<silver>for the past 4 days, i am everyday getting a Linode Alert - disk io rate email around midnight
23:06<silver>how can i diagnose this ?
23:06<dwfreed>silver: use iotop when it's happening
23:07<dwfreed>also check to see if this is due to swap I/O; look at your I/O graphs in the Linode Manager for a red line
23:07<silver>dwfreed: i am sleeping around that time
23:07<m0unds>silver: have any cron jobs that run at that time?
23:07<Peng>dikal: Not by default, but you can buy managed service from Linode.
23:07<dwfreed>silver: you could use Longview, then
23:07<dikal>live support here, i am impressed... thanks guys..
23:07<Peng>dikal: I'm not sure how many different things they manage, though.
23:07<Peng>I mean, I'm not sure the extent of the managed service.
23:07<silver>dwfreed: what is longview ?
23:07<dikal>no issue, peng
23:07<m0unds>silver: any backup batches or the like? that's stuff that commonly causes io spikes in the middle of the night
23:08<dwfreed>silver: server resource monitoring; check out the Longview tab in the Linode Manager :)
23:08<silver>m0unds: i have the backup plan purchased, thats all
23:08<dwfreed>dikal: everybody without ops is the community
23:08<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
23:08<benuphoenix>what's longview?
23:08<dwfreed>benuphoenix: see my reply to silver's same question :)
23:08<silver>cpu/memory/swap/load/network, which one do i need to monitor for disk io ?
23:08<dikal>okie ., thanks
23:09<dwfreed>for pretty pictures, see
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23:09<Peng>dwfreed: everybody, huh?
23:09<dwfreed>Peng: yes
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23:10<benuphoenix>longview requires sudo?
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23:10<dwfreed>silver: you have to click on specific Linode, and then look at the disk I/O graph; if you want to see which process is the culprit, go to process explorer
23:10<dwfreed>benuphoenix: the client daemon has to run as root
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23:11<benuphoenix>should i just run the code as root?
23:12<Peng>Which code?
23:12<Peng>You should...install and run it.
23:12<benuphoenix>the longview code
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23:12<benuphoenix>peng: you mean longview or sudo?
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23:27<benuphoenix>longview is cool
23:28<benuphoenix>of course, now linode knows every single program i run...
23:28<rogerhub>Couldn't the find that out already?
23:29<Peng>rogerhub: Not really.
23:29<benuphoenix>i know better than to run anything secret on it
23:30<rogerhub>Peng: how so? They have physical access and everything.. if somebody was doing something illegal on a linode, i bet they would just VNC into it.
23:30<dwfreed>there's no VNC
23:30<dwfreed>and we don't have login information for your Linode itself
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23:31<benuphoenix>if linode can reset root password...
23:31<dr_jkl>that's nothing singleuser couldn't fix
23:31<Peng>They *can*, but they'd have to write code to do it, and probably reboot you.
23:31<rogerhub>Oh well. You've got to have some amount of trust in your VPS provider.
23:32<Peng>Obviously they can theoretically do anything -- sneak something evil into the provided kernels, write a rootkit onto your disk image -- but, well, it would take work, and I'm confident they haven't.
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23:32<benuphoenix>No offense, but have you ever looked in your linode's control panel? there's a "change root password" thing iirc
23:33<Peng>Yes, there is.
23:33<dwfreed>yes, and that requires that your Linode be powered off
23:33<dwfreed>the host mounts your disk image, finds the root entry in /etc/shadow, changes it to the new hash, and then unmounts again
23:33<dwfreed>the host can't mount your disk image if your Linode is running
23:33<benuphoenix>is the image encrypted?
23:34<dwfreed>not by Linode, no
23:34*benuphoenix wonders if dwfreed works for linode
23:34<dwfreed>however, deleted disk images are securely shredded prior to that space on the physical hard disks being used by another customer
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23:37<benuphoenix>Why would anyone want to ddos the linode manager?
23:38<dwfreed>because people are weird
23:38<farfromhere>Why does a man climb a mountain?
23:38<Nightmare>because they're a bored script kiddie with nothing to do/an e-peen to grow/etc?
23:40<benuphoenix>a single script kiddie can do a ddos?
23:41<benuphoenix>right...a ddos only requires 2 compromised pcs to be a ddos...
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23:47<EugeneKay>I'm curious what "securely shredded" means in this context. `for dev in zero random zero; do dd if=/dev/$dev of=/dev/$LVM_device bs=1M; done` ?
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23:48<jed>and no, random would be fine there, urandom would never finish
23:48<jed>urandom = crypto, once in a blue moon, random = bulk pseudo
23:48<EugeneKay>Other way around
23:48<jed>er, yeah, thanks
23:50<dwfreed>jed: and reading from /dev/random to /dev/$DISK would finish _eventually_, because you're reseeding your entropy pool with your I/O
23:51<benuphoenix>night all
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.29408161, 0.75764582) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 435278 of 553923 (π ≈ 3.143238320127527 - 0.001645666537734). http://π
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